1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: What is up Fellasiko's eye? 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: Am Dana Valley coming at you with the one, the only, 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:14,560 the legendary, the certified, fantabulous. Mister Grant hughes the look 4 00:00:14,599 --> 00:00:18,000 ahead train. It continues, Grant, We're on to the Philadelphia 5 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:20,359 seventy six ers. Do you have any confessions that you 6 00:00:20,399 --> 00:00:23,719 feel the need to divulge before we belly flop into 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,199 it all? Uh? 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Darryl Morey's last offseason did not turn out as well 9 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:30,800 as we said that it would. So let's do I 10 00:00:30,839 --> 00:00:33,159 dare not give them an A plus plus me neither. 11 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:35,600 Let's move move on, find a new slant. 12 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:38,119 Speaker 2: I think the primary question I want to start with 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,479 here could this be the most important offseason for them 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,960 in franchise history? And I'm just looking at it basically 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,439 from two it's the same perspective, but it's two things. 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,399 You have the number three pick as a team that 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,799 was billed as a contender leading into last year. But 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,320 you also have Joel Embiid four years, two hundred and 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,119 forty eight point one million dollars left on his deal 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,079 runs through his age three before season who Daryl Morey's 21 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:04,359 even been pretty open about, Well, we really don't know 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,040 how healthy or if this dude's ever gonna be healthy again. 23 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:10,959 How difficult does that make it to go about the 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,040 offseason and strike the right balance of we need to 25 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:16,400 cater to the now, but we can't pander to it 26 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:18,879 too much because if we do something even that's considered good, 27 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:22,239 it could wind up being reckless depending on Joel and 28 00:01:22,239 --> 00:01:23,120 Bee's availability. 29 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:29,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it goes to like, what, let's pretend 30 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:34,719 that the Sixers magically do have like certainty on how 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,719 good Mbid will be this coming season and how much 32 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:38,640 he'll be able to play? 33 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: Like, what do you think? 34 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 3: So let's say in scenario one, he's gonna be really 35 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,640 close to MVP level and you're gonna get sixty five 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,040 games out of him. That's your best case, and your 37 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,359 worst case is like he actually just play, tries to 38 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,680 play to start the season, the knees no good, plays 39 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,599 fifteen games all year, and you're just looking down the 40 00:01:59,599 --> 00:02:03,400 barrel that extension, Like, what of the decisions ahead of 41 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:07,400 the Sixers this summer change the most based on those 42 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:11,800 two like possibilities. Uh, First, the first thing you think 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,120 of is like what do you do with the number 44 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:15,800 three pick? Because you're not trading it in a million years. 45 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,439 I don't think if if you just if embid's not 46 00:02:18,479 --> 00:02:21,639 going to be EMBIID anymore, and then you've got to start. 47 00:02:21,439 --> 00:02:23,159 Speaker 1: Talking about, like what do we do with Paul George? 48 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:24,080 Can we trade him or not? 49 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:26,719 Speaker 3: Like these are such there's it's very much like a 50 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:30,080 just a two divergent possible off seasons. 51 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:33,159 Speaker 1: And I mean, I think I. 52 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 3: Know what I think about embiids long term career outlook, 53 00:02:35,439 --> 00:02:37,080 but that is just what I think, Like I have 54 00:02:37,199 --> 00:02:41,599 no idea, really, I it's hard. We almost have to 55 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:43,840 talk about two off seasons, right like we want the 56 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:47,039 two two like team building plans have to be in place, 57 00:02:47,159 --> 00:02:49,439 and you just or you just guess as to like 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,639 what the most realistic EMBID scenario is and you make 59 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:53,879 your decisions pursuant to that. 60 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: But I don't know, do. 61 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: You feel that way like it's almost like you have 62 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,560 to think about two different teams here or do you 63 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:01,759 just kind of like grit your teeth and kind of 64 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,520 go down the middle and just hope for the best. 65 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what. 66 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 2: Does the middle even look like? Is it you're trading 67 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:11,080 number three, but you're moving down and still getting it 68 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,400 and maybe you're adding. I think the most popular scenario 69 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,400 I've seen thrown out there is like, can you figure 70 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,919 out a way to get Cam Johnson and number eight 71 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,039 from Brooklyn using number three? But then, like the salary 72 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,080 structure here gets super weird because you have these three 73 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,599 guys in Maxi, Embiid and George on mega contracts and 74 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:30,000 you could kind. 75 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: Of step ladder your way to Cam Johnson. 76 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: But like, is Quenton Grime's gonna need to be involved 77 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:37,360 in a sign and trade, so it's even if they 78 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:38,439 want to make a big move. 79 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: I think when you're looking at I agree with you 80 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,599 that it feels like I don't. 81 00:03:42,199 --> 00:03:43,199 Speaker 2: I don't know if we have to look at as 82 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,719 two separate offseasons, but they have to commit to one 83 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:49,199 of two options, which is like cater to the future, 84 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:51,759 or is it we're gonna go all ish in on 85 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,199 now where it's like you said, I guess the third 86 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,840 option would be strike. 87 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: The middle ground. I don't even know what that what 88 00:03:56,879 --> 00:03:57,560 that looks like. 89 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,879 Speaker 2: And also the other question here too, and I like, 90 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,639 how hard I'm not this isn't necessarily me advocating for 91 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,240 them trading it. How hard is it to integrate a 92 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:09,719 number three pick into this team towards even in Dallas 93 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:12,520 with Cooper Flag, Kyrie's not there right out of the gate, 94 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:14,520 and then like Anthony Davis is the only other star, 95 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,040 and that's he's more of a play finisher. But you've 96 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,639 Jared McCain and Tyres Maxie and that version of Quentin 97 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,160 Grimes that you created four edition when beat and Paul George. 98 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: It's so weird. Mm hmm, yeah it'd be. 99 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: So it's still hard to know who's gonna be there 100 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:33,839 at three. It's I think it's just Flag won't and 101 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:38,439 Dylan Harper won't. And so then it's like, is Edgecomb 102 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,319 the guy you take? And if so, it's like you 103 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,519 just mentioned the glut of like Hybrid one two's that 104 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,959 the Sixers really over index on already. Is Edgecomb somebody 105 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:49,879 that like you want to throw into that mix? 106 00:04:49,959 --> 00:04:50,199 Speaker 1: Does that? 107 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,439 Speaker 3: Like? And is he someone that's gonna be ready at all? 108 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,560 Like can you justify playing him over any of those 109 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,839 other three guys? You know, so he's a fourth guard, 110 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Like do you take a different position that's not the 111 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,079 best player available because you're this ready made team that's 112 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,800 trying to contend. I don't know, that's the thing, even 113 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,920 this pick is hard to decide what the right thing 114 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,279 to do is. I think we could trust Deryl Moore 115 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,560 to take the best player available if they choose to 116 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,279 keep the pick, But like sometimes just the idea of 117 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,160 taking in this circumstance, taking the best player available still 118 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,439 doesn't mean you're gonna get like almost any value from 119 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:27,680 that guy right now, and presumably you care about right now. 120 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: So I don't know what to do about the pick. 121 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,160 Paul George, how much has he owed to rant any? 122 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:35,839 Too much? 123 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,319 Speaker 3: Three years one hundred and sixty two point four left, 124 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:40,560 which will take him through his age thirty seven season. 125 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,120 There's not a positive value trade out there for him, 126 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,319 is there? You're giving up something to move him right now? 127 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,759 Speaker 2: I saw someone propose and that again, other things need 128 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,560 to be figured out because of the financial constraints, which 129 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,720 we'll get to for the Sixers in a minute, number 130 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:58,480 three and Paul George for Kevin Durant and number twenty nine, 131 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,439 And I was just like, that feels like such a 132 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,639 wild thing for the Sixers to do, but it might 133 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,879 just be a reflection of, well, what is the value 134 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,759 of this Paul George? I mean, if I'm the Suns, 135 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,240 I just jump on that, like, let me bring the 136 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:12,040 number three prospects and Paul George I actually still think 137 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,600 he's gonna I think people have become too low on 138 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,040 Paul Dredge. The number is the number, like the signing, 139 00:06:17,319 --> 00:06:18,480 like we were wrong about that. 140 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: But like if you're. 141 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,759 Speaker 2: Phoenix, I think you would have to pack that just 142 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:25,439 feels so indexed to right now. If you're the Sixers 143 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,600 and it's you're not you're getting you're not getting a 144 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,959 mediate financial relief. You'd be getting like near like medium 145 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:35,279 term find out because Kevin Durrant Tetley comes off the books. 146 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:38,000 But if you're getting Kevin Durant, you want Kevin Durant 147 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:38,399 to come. 148 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: Back, and like what does that number look like? 149 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't know who that that's an 150 00:06:43,959 --> 00:06:48,480 interesting one. Well then but then so you're trading the 151 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,920 number three pick in that hypothetical, So you're we've already 152 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,759 picked a path, We've already picked like we're trying right now, 153 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,079 and that's super risky because you've got embiid and who 154 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,519 knows what you're gonna get out of him? What do 155 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:02,639 you think are there any other like what are the 156 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,959 other like major decisions to make because we have a 157 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:07,439 lot of mind like Yabu Sale and Grimes. Maybe Grimes 158 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:09,759 a sugar free agency is the next thing to talk about. 159 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's go to the Sixers cap situation first. 160 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:16,879 Here they are almost one million dollars into the tax 161 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:21,879 after getting the number three pick. This assumes that Ubra, Kelly, Ubray, 162 00:07:22,439 --> 00:07:24,959 Eric Gordon, Andre Drummond all pick up their player options. 163 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:27,959 This would leave them like seven million in change away 164 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,519 from the first apron with thirteen players. If you want 165 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,920 them to access the non tax payermid level, which is 166 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,600 fourteen point one million, you need to You'll be hard 167 00:07:35,639 --> 00:07:37,519 capped at that first apron, so you need to stay 168 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,959 under that number. However, now this gets to your Quentin 169 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,079 Grimes point. None of this includes Quentin Grimes, who will 170 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:46,000 be a twelve point nine million dollar cap hold. So 171 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,680 he just ate up all your space and more underneath 172 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,720 the first apron. And I guess you start with how 173 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,759 much does he get? Because he was on a heater 174 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:56,240 towards the end of the like he was doing. It 175 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:58,920 wasn't just that he was making shots. The types of 176 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,720 shots he was making just absurd. 177 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 3: He's a different player than he ever was before. 178 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:05,839 Speaker 2: At the same time, I think if you're the Sixers, 179 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:07,920 you could look at it and say that's a relatively 180 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:12,439 small sample, go out and get an offer, and basically 181 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,800 nobody is going to be working with more than a 182 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:17,279 non taxpayerment level except for Brooklyn. I think Detroit is 183 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:18,920 even going to decide to operate as an over the 184 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,000 cap team. Personally, that'll change. I guess a Elie Beasley 185 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,720 decides to go somewhere else, so it's just like, I 186 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,000 don't know what you pay him. Twenty million dollars might 187 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,319 team fair, but then it's the hell of their books 188 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,199 look like after that. 189 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: I think you I think it's a bad offseason for 190 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:36,720 I mean, it's a good one because he had this 191 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,879 huge like surge at the end of the year, but 192 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,759 it's also just bad timing for all the reasons you said, Like, 193 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:45,600 I think normally Grimes would be someone that if you 194 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:47,720 had multi if you had like five or six teams 195 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:51,120 with enough space to give him a deal that start 196 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,240 like a four year, hundred million dollar type of thing, 197 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,360 or four for one to twenty, I think you would 198 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:58,840 get that in a normal off season with actual competition. 199 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,480 I think the mid level is like maybe where it's 200 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,799 gonna top out at unless you think Brooklyn is gonna 201 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,519 go for it, or you think Memphis is gonna clear 202 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,679 a bunch of space somehow and add to its tiny 203 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,399 piles like what's Detroit is the other one that like, 204 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,720 So it's not going back that that didn't work. 205 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,919 Speaker 2: Their cap space has even been overstated because Caid cunning 206 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:19,320 Camp is probably gonna make as words right, He's going 207 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,399 to be all NBA. So you go from hey, we 208 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:23,360 can get like twenty five million in cap space, So 209 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:26,639 that number just dropped to let's say seventeen and the 210 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:28,840 mid levels fourteen point one. So is at that point 211 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,200 would you rather have seventeen plus the room exception at 212 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,679 seven or just keep bring back Beasley, bring back Shrewder 213 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:39,159 and I just yeah, so I yeah, there's no threats, 214 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:40,320 is the point? No real threats. 215 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: It would have to be a sign in trade. 216 00:09:42,919 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 2: But as we talk about a lot, now that gets 217 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,720 into base your compensation and so hopefully without overcomplicating it 218 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,480 with how that works, Let's say you give Quentin Grimes 219 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,039 sixteen million dollars in next season, he only counts his 220 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,559 eight million dollars in outgoing money to the sixers, but 221 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,759 he will count a sixteen million in money to his 222 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:03,279 new team. That becomes challenging short of traded him to Brooklyn. 223 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:06,159 There's a lot of flexibility when teams are under the tax, 224 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,519 but you then need to identify a team that values 225 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,000 Quentin Grimes like that is under the tax and then 226 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:14,000 has stuff that they want to send you back that 227 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,480 isn't Brooklyn. So it's just like there's constructions where you 228 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:18,480 could end up with if you're including the number three. 229 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,519 Speaker 1: Pick, I don't like. 230 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:22,759 Speaker 2: If I'm Brooklyn, I'm not like Quentin Grimes and stuff 231 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,759 plus number three for number eight and Cam Johnson. If 232 00:10:25,759 --> 00:10:27,519 that's the framework, are you doing that? 233 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: Even I don't know. 234 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,639 Speaker 3: I don't Maybe what if Grimes just takes the qualifying 235 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:36,000 offer is like, screw it, I'll be unrestricted in twenty 236 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:37,919 six How about we go that route? 237 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Daryl Moori, because we keep talking about the way 238 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,559 restricted free agency set up is, why don't teams play hardball? 239 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 3: More? 240 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: Darl Moriy will play hardball and it ends up like 241 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,559 a Minnie James Harden situation where he goes Daryl Morey's 242 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:50,039 a liar? 243 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, can you trust it? 244 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,799 Speaker 3: Ol Moury I would bet. So let's put a number 245 00:10:55,799 --> 00:10:59,960 on it. If let's assume Grimes is back with the Sixers, 246 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,919 what do you think he will be making in year 247 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,200 one of his new deal? 248 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,159 Speaker 1: Can we set an over under sure over unders four? 249 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:08,840 What's the mid level? Fourteen? Fourteen point one. I'm gonna 250 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:10,600 take the I'm gonna take the over. 251 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 2: Because as much as we say you could do this 252 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,519 in restricted free agency as teams, they almost never do it. 253 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,480 We've been through this, like the Cavs kind of did 254 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,000 it with Isaacacorro. Like what is like the example to 255 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:26,840 where of a of a of an actual semi significant 256 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:29,200 player that a team like you know, PJ. 257 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,919 Speaker 1: Washington? Was he one? Then didn't he gets. 258 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: They did wait that out and he ended up Yet 259 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:36,080 that was such an awkward member they introductory press conference 260 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,200 in Charlotte when they did that, or like the announcement, 261 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:38,720 that was great. 262 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:41,399 Speaker 1: I love that awkwardness doesn't happen often? Is the point? 263 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: Like Greg Monroe was like who was the last one 264 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,639 sign there? Miles Bridges was the last one to sign 265 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:48,399 his qualifying offer, but Greg Munroe I think was was 266 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,440 he the last one before that? Like of notable status 267 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,919 to just sign his qualifying offer. 268 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:56,039 Speaker 3: He might think this is an unusual situation, so I 269 00:11:56,039 --> 00:11:58,679 think we should like sort of up the possibility of 270 00:11:58,759 --> 00:11:59,919 something strange. 271 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:01,799 Speaker 1: Like that happen. But I think I'm with you. 272 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 3: I would go over. But I like, how many years 273 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,759 might it be? Can you do like a one plus one? 274 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,399 Speaker 1: It probably not. 275 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: I think you've got there a certain minimum number of 276 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:11,879 years on a. 277 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,919 Speaker 2: Well, they could do whatever they want with the deal itself, 278 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:17,080 but like, yeah, I don't know what the I think 279 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,600 you would have to go sort of what the Rockets 280 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:20,720 did with Jalen Green, not the money, but okay, two 281 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,840 plus one yeah, right, one plus one would be dicey. 282 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,279 Speaker 3: And then we'll all talk about how Grimes was brought 283 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:29,559 back to be traded and then they just won't trade him. 284 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,039 But I do think like it he is deplicative with 285 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,039 MAXI and McCain. If you think McCain is anything close 286 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:36,440 to what. 287 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,159 Speaker 1: He was, or if they're gonna draft edge Combe, or. 288 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: If they're gonna and or if they're gonna draft another 289 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:43,480 right exactly, Like it's weird. 290 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is bad timing for Grimes. 291 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:48,399 Speaker 3: It really is like there's just the team he's on 292 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:51,759 that can actually pay him a little bit, like doesn't 293 00:12:51,799 --> 00:12:53,720 really need him even and that's got nothing to do 294 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,519 with him. It's just got to do with the other guys. 295 00:12:55,639 --> 00:12:57,440 And they happen to have and we'll get if they 296 00:12:57,519 --> 00:12:58,200 keep that pick. 297 00:12:58,799 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: This does step on toes of your two off seasons 298 00:13:02,279 --> 00:13:04,480 point at the top of all this, But I want 299 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:06,080 to ask you about their biggest needs or maybe we 300 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,919 get in some targets, but like, how much are you 301 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,120 actually this dovetails exactly what the Grimes contract? 302 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,639 Speaker 1: How much you will to pay for this team? 303 00:13:13,759 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: Because if you're like Sixers ownership is Sixers ownership. But 304 00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:20,879 this could very easily be a second Apron team. My 305 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,000 guess would be that they're not going to be a 306 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,799 second Apron team. And if they're not, I start asking 307 00:13:25,879 --> 00:13:29,960 questions of like, well, what like who left because you're not, 308 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,480 like how are you getting cheaper and better that Like 309 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:35,240 that's what I find myself asking. The way to get 310 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:37,799 better and cheaper is Joel Embiid and Paul George are 311 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,519 healthier and we cut salary and so it worked out. 312 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,200 But like it's not gonna cost you, Like if if 313 00:13:43,279 --> 00:13:45,919 Andre Drummond opts in, I don't think you could just 314 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,720 trade him somewhere without compensating. So I mean, I guess, 315 00:13:48,759 --> 00:13:50,360 I guess maybe if a team is desperate for a 316 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,799 big man and he fits into the mini mle, but 317 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,000 I don't know it's I I guess My question to 318 00:13:57,039 --> 00:13:59,799 you is, knowing that with Quentin Grimes on the books, 319 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,080 they profiles like a second apron ish team, how low 320 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,559 do you think they're going to try and get Is 321 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,480 it just get beneath the second Apron? 322 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: Is it? 323 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:10,039 Speaker 2: No, They're really gonna try and stay beneath the first 324 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:12,679 Apron to maximize their possibilities that the trade deadline, or 325 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,240 could you see them try to just like duck the 326 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:15,639 luxury tax altogether? 327 00:14:17,039 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: I just don't think it's I don't think getting out 328 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,240 of the tax is super realistic. So to use the 329 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,159 numbers here you have, you're seven and a half million 330 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:25,679 from the first apron when you've got thirteen guys that 331 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,000 doesn't include Grimes, so you're over that, and then what's 332 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,279 the second apron is another twelve million over the first, 333 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:36,440 give or take. I just don't know how you're onboarding 334 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,360 a number three pick and keeping Grimes at something in 335 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:41,960 the range of the numbers we've talked about and like 336 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,399 be comfortably under the second apron. But I think you've 337 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,799 got to do everything possible to try to to try 338 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,960 to stay under the second. I don't I don't think 339 00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:54,360 you can be under the first, right, Like even with Grimes, 340 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,919 they go over the first just right there, right, So, 341 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,759 like I think normally you'd say, if it's me, I'm like, 342 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:04,759 i want to get as cheap as possible, and I'm 343 00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:06,639 going to try to trade em bead and or George 344 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:07,639 and whatever if I can. 345 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: But like, I don't think you can do that. 346 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 3: I also don't think you can be a good enough 347 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:16,639 team to make any of these veterans still being here 348 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,679 make sense without being like right up against the second apron. 349 00:15:19,799 --> 00:15:21,840 Just so, I guess long story short, you can get 350 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,279 out of the second apron, do that. And if that 351 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,759 means you like buy out Andre Drummonds somehow, or like 352 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,519 just dump guys with seconds on the fringes, that's the route. 353 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,799 But I don't know. It's it's hard. It's hard to 354 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:34,000 get much lower than that. 355 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: I mean, even I was reading Bobby Marsh's offseason God 356 00:15:37,159 --> 00:15:39,159 and he says they should have full access to the 357 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,320 non tax para Emily because that lets them keep Yabuselli. 358 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:46,200 So maybe my calculations are off there, but that's like, 359 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,799 are you just I'm assuming that's if you let Quentin 360 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,720 Grimes walk right, are we factoring him? 361 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: I think that has to be factored in. And then 362 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,480 if you use that exception, your cat, you're hard capped 363 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,279 at I think I think the way he explains it is 364 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:05,039 that the first apron correct, so like that can't include Grimes, 365 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,240 and I don't think. I don't know what that does 366 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,600 with the salary for your number three pick. Maybe if 367 00:16:09,639 --> 00:16:11,799 that maybe that assumes you're trading that pick. 368 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. 369 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:14,799 Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're under the first apron, like you 370 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:18,639 could get there if you're maybe maybe Kellyubridg Junior declines 371 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:20,840 his player option. I think the Sixers are expecting that 372 00:16:20,879 --> 00:16:22,480 he will opt in, but like you could you mentioned 373 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,960 you could get rid of Drummonds. So if you're not 374 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,399 going to keep Grimes, there's a pathway to having a 375 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,320 number three pick. And okay, we could use the non 376 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,679 tax payermid level exception. 377 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, but like. 378 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: That that's another element else the yabusel he was really 379 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,720 good for them, but because he's a non bird free 380 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,559 agent if you're not going to have this exception to 381 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,559 keep him, but you're gonna trim money and give up 382 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:44,240 it's like to keep Gershon Like that's just weird. 383 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:47,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be strange to cut like to cut 384 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,759 loose other guys that might play in the rotation to 385 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,159 preserve like A, Yeah, I don't, I don't know if 386 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,120 that's the way I would go. 387 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't know where to go 388 00:16:58,399 --> 00:16:59,159 with this team now. 389 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 3: Like that, I think we've hit what are the other Okay, yeah, 390 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,000 go ahead, Okay. 391 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,599 Speaker 2: I want to ask you before we get to if 392 00:17:05,599 --> 00:17:09,920 we just assume that they're gonna stay relatively as currently constructed, 393 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:12,680 we could talk about what they need. But do you 394 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,720 think getting the number three pick and having MAXI and 395 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:20,960 then knowing like what happened last season, is there any 396 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,400 path to them going to nuclear direction of can we 397 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,000 trade Paul George and Joel Embiid without having to include 398 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:27,799 our number three. 399 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: Pick to do so? 400 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,319 Speaker 3: Well, we just established I don't think George has positive 401 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,480 trade value, and there's I Embiid's got to be worse, right, 402 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,720 like just because of the money and the uncertainty with 403 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:40,240 his health. 404 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,759 Speaker 2: So I obligated them to just continue cut along this path, so. 405 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 3: By like trading number three for president, trade. 406 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 2: Number three necessarily, like you need to like trade down 407 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,759 to get it, because I just don't know. This team 408 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:55,200 is so difficult to figure out. 409 00:17:55,599 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, like, I think you can't get off 410 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,599 those guys without sacrificing the limited assets you have. What 411 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,279 they can trade two of their own first, and they 412 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:08,079 have a Clippers twenty eight that's unprotected in a twenty 413 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:08,759 nine swap. 414 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: I think, so. 415 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,279 Speaker 3: I'm just not going to use any of that to 416 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:18,079 move Embed or George right now. So yeah, I think 417 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:19,960 I think of the two paths, I think you probably 418 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,440 got to lean closer to just there's no stripping down. 419 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,480 There's no stripping down that can happen to this team. 420 00:18:26,519 --> 00:18:30,119 I think you're stuck basically running it back and then whatever, 421 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:32,880 whether you trade down with three or you use three, 422 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,920 you're gonna have a young player that was like, I 423 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:36,400 don't know, I. 424 00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:37,559 Speaker 1: Assume he'll play a little bit. 425 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,799 Speaker 3: Maybe the real takeaway here is I don't think if 426 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:44,920 if you want to maximize the flexibility and the value 427 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,279 of this pick, I think you probably don't want to 428 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,319 use it on a guard which is insane because normally 429 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,480 we're like, I don't care about the position of the player, 430 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:55,440 you take the best prospect. But like this dovetails with 431 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:56,880 like what do they need? I don't know, you need 432 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,640 somebody who's like Kelly Ubray but better at the thing's 433 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,680 Kellor does somebody in between these guards, these small guards 434 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,279 and your George embiid front court. 435 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: Like defense too like that? 436 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, I think you're looking at wings and 437 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,359 maybe those are Maybe there's better value in the draft 438 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,200 if you do move down and get Brooklyn's pick instead 439 00:19:17,319 --> 00:19:20,000 or something like that. Maybe that's maybe that's the like 440 00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:22,079 as close to a middle path as you can find. 441 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:25,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. I guess the other need 442 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,640 they would have a lot of this depends on what 443 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,559 happens with yabou Celli. You need a big on this 444 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,799 I like a dem Bona, but you like, you need 445 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:35,640 a big on this team because how much is m 446 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,119 be gonna play? And Drummond's not the answer, And so 447 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,720 if Yabuselli's not there, you need to go out and 448 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:43,480 get I'm not like expand a primetime asset to do it, 449 00:19:43,519 --> 00:19:46,000 but I think after wings and maybe just some I 450 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,279 mean this team should have enough shooting now in theory, 451 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:50,920 but wings and like point of attack defense. But then 452 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,599 that gets weird because so many of the other guys 453 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:54,400 are small. It's like, well, where are we hiding them? 454 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: Like what? 455 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: So you're getting point of attack defense, which a lot 456 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,119 of times comes at the smaller end. Dude, Like not 457 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,279 everyone like Jade McDaniels, doesn't just grow on trees. 458 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: Right, so that complicates it. 459 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 2: Still, either I'm do you I'm wondering if would they 460 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,599 just sign and trade Quentin Grimes into someone's mid level 461 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:12,960 exception just so it's all right? 462 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: Well, because would. 463 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: You rather have Quenton Grimes or the non tax payer 464 00:20:17,279 --> 00:20:19,319 mid level exception? That's kind of the choice that comes 465 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:19,640 down to. 466 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 3: Oh, man, I wish I had the free agent wings 467 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,759 available so I could look at who I could get there. 468 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't know what is a player option? 469 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: If you'd like a reunion, Oh my god, I would 470 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,359 take too many Kamara if we're talking about Blazers, Uh. 471 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:38,519 Speaker 1: He's not available. 472 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:39,039 Speaker 3: All defense? 473 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:41,599 Speaker 1: Did you see that Kamara made all defense? That you 474 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,000 deserved it too. Shout out to Mike. 475 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: H and our Discord for messaging me this apparently Johan 476 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,559 Buja of the Athletics said the Blazers would trade him Kamara, 477 00:20:51,599 --> 00:20:53,440 but it would take two first round picks to do so. 478 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:55,759 And I'm like, that feels like the Lakers trying to 479 00:20:55,799 --> 00:20:58,200 sell the Blazers on adult and connect plus twenty twenty 480 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,559 seven first round pick package. 481 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:03,559 Speaker 3: That's how on the Mark Williams package for Monicamara? Can 482 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:05,279 we interest you in the Mark Williams plan? 483 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:05,759 Speaker 1: Uh? 484 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what the Sixers do. Would I 485 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,319 rather have Grimes or the Emily? 486 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: I think? 487 00:21:16,079 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: I think I probably, I think Grimes is more valuable, 488 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,680 But for the Sixers specifically and that roster, you might 489 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:25,839 rather have the option of like signing someone at a 490 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,359 difference with more positional size, or to go get a 491 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,480 backup big and something else with that money. Maybe that's 492 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:33,839 the way to look at it. 493 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I probably would disagree in the sense 494 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,720 of because when I when you go through the list 495 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,200 of free agents that you could get, I think that 496 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:45,680 Grimes is just going to be more valuable, even if 497 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,119 he's not the cleanest fit. 498 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,519 Speaker 1: So like you think you could trade him for some 499 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:53,079 of the stuff you need. Is that the idea in 500 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:53,640 my head? 501 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: So, like if you waited until the trade deadline, I 502 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,200 would think that you have a better chance because if 503 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,519 you go through the of free agent wings. I mean, 504 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:04,680 Dorrin Phinney Smith has a player option, but the Lakers 505 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,000 aren't gonna let him leave, Like he'll probably opt in 506 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,160 and extend if you even or just opt out and 507 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,920 they'll resign him. Do you want Jayshawn Tate Zaier Williams 508 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,000 like this is like that is the pickings on Jake 509 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:19,279 la Ravia. That'd be an interesting flyer depending on how 510 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,000 much he costs. But yeah, there's no like, yeah, I 511 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,799 think you're better off with Quentin Grimes, so you could 512 00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:26,759 definitely get like an interesting big you want to run 513 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:29,000 it back with Al Horford or tryout Broke Lopez. But 514 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:32,319 the theory of this team is you're cooked without Joel 515 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,240 Embiid and if you burned, if you in theory, you'd 516 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,359 be burning the mid level exception and Quentin Grimes on 517 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,839 Joel Embiid's backup, which just feels like a misallocation of resources. 518 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,799 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, there's a little bit of history here, 519 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:48,880 but could you just sign and trade Grimes back to 520 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,559 Dallas for uh for Daniel Gafford? 521 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: Can we do that. 522 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 3: Do you want Caleb Martin to like, yeah, let's yeah, 523 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,119 I get Martin might help here man just. 524 00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: Get to Red. He's cheap, Like, let's just get him 525 00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:02,480 on this, like the the good version of Grimes. 526 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 3: Weirdly would be very helpful on the last two teams 527 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,799 that got rid of him like that. 528 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: That's a strange that's a strange spot to be in. 529 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,079 But that's where that's that's where we are. He's weird. 530 00:23:12,279 --> 00:23:12,759 He's weird. 531 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 3: He was his best self on the Sixers and they 532 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:16,839 kind of need that guy the least. 533 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: So I don't know what to do with that. 534 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: There's I'm trying to think of just cheaper backup, big options. 535 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,920 I don't like, what is Steven Adams gonna go for? 536 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: He'd be interesting so much, I hope. 537 00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: But if I get that, yeah, that's the thing is 538 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,880 like he's gonna because I'm thinking, could you split your 539 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,519 You're not gonna get We've established like a high end 540 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,960 wing type or a very impactful wing using the middle 541 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,960 of exceptions, Like, is there any scenario you could map 542 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 out where it's right we kind of split the mid 543 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:46,599 level between two players and it's I don't even know 544 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,680 who is it Steven Adams and who? And I don't 545 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,839 even know, Like, maybe that doesn't do it, but. 546 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,559 Speaker 3: It's probably not enough for like Lopez or Capella or something. 547 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,279 If you're trying to get those guys are both. 548 00:23:57,599 --> 00:24:00,799 Speaker 1: That might be gettable for less than the But. 549 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking in like, if you use it 550 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,359 for a capella and somebody else, I don't think you 551 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,079 can you can get enough out of that. 552 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: For both guys. 553 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 2: Could you do some sort of a trade with Washington? 554 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:14,480 Can you compensate them to take Paul George and you 555 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:16,400 get back Chris Middleton if he opts in, So it's 556 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,319 an expiring contract, who makes a lot less? 557 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: That'd be interesting. 558 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 3: You'd have to give your sending at least two firsts, right, 559 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,160 I think maybe three. 560 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,759 Speaker 1: That's wild to get off of it. 561 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,799 Speaker 2: This was the by the way, this was the wild 562 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,759 trade I thought of number three. There might need to 563 00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:34,920 be some other things fleshed out. Number three and Paul 564 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,000 George for brand and Ingram and number nine. 565 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:43,519 Speaker 3: Whoa oh for Ingram? 566 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,279 Speaker 1: Nine for three and George. 567 00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:50,279 Speaker 3: I mean Ingram's gonna outproduce George over his new contract? 568 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,160 Right Like that seems like a pretty safe bet at 569 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,880 least in terms well, I wasn't gonna say at least 570 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,279 in terms of volume, but Ingram just quit just stopped 571 00:24:57,279 --> 00:24:59,440 playing basketball last year for a very long time. 572 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,519 Speaker 1: I would I would do that. I would do what 573 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,799 are the Raptors doing? For who I was asking? I 574 00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:08,279 would like I do that for the the Sixers. I don't. 575 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,759 Speaker 3: I don't know if the Raptors go for that. 576 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: I think I need to be I feel like I've 577 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,880 become too much of a Paul George optimist because the 578 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,640 pendulum has swung so far towards this dude is a 579 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,119 podcaster first and basketball players I get. 580 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a good place to be if you 581 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,640 turn out to be right, because, like odds are, Paul 582 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,559 George will have better moments, better extended moments than he 583 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,759 did last year, just because like that was as bad 584 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,759 as it's ever looked really for him. So that's not 585 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,200 you're not It's a good corner to stake out. 586 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't begrudge you 587 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:40,200 that corner. 588 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: I would be willing to do number three in Paul 589 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,000 George for Karl Anthony Towns. 590 00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: You take that on as a Knicks I would I 591 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,480 think that's I think you probably do that. What do 592 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,400 we think of the town's embiid uh, you got you 593 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,680 got Towns back next to a second big just just 594 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,200 like he needs. 595 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,279 Speaker 2: And then when you don't, Towns can start at center. 596 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,720 I would look, that's one hundred and like twenty million 597 00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:02,440 dollars a year. 598 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: Well spent in my opinion. Yeah, oh boy. 599 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: I will say as sort of a final thing on this, 600 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,920 and if you want, if you have targets or suggestions, 601 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,359 you want to see what the Sixers go after, what 602 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,279 you think they should do. I go into this offseason 603 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,559 if I'm the Sixers with the open mind of anything 604 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,599 needs to be on the table. If you get a 605 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,079 different type of prognosis on Joelle and Bed's knee, you 606 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,960 could be a little bit more aggressive with your trades. 607 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,359 If you find out it's cooked, all right, you might 608 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,960 be saddled with some of this money, but then you 609 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,200 need to just build your team and your future in 610 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,039 the image of he's not gonna play and we need 611 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:38,039 to figure that out moving forward. I do worry though, 612 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,279 that what is gonna make this even more convoluted is 613 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,759 you now have a few young guys in the number 614 00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:47,519 three pick Jared McCain, and let's say Quentin Grimes comes back, 615 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,240 someone's gonna get lost in that shuffle of development. And like, 616 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,319 when you look at Quentin Grimes played like a most 617 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:56,440 improved Player candidate t END this season. Jared McCain was 618 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,240 going to win Rookie of the Year when he got injured. 619 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,319 And now you're at the top three pro I just 620 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:05,720 worry about how you juggle that with forget the window, 621 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,319 just with the personnel that you haven't put. 622 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: Do you have the stomach to say at some point. 623 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,079 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, well we're gonna play these dudes over Paul 624 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,240 George and like not gonna try to win games with 625 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,480 his money still sitting on our books. And no, because, 626 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,200 by the way, the Oklahoma City Thunder I own your 627 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,519 twenty twenty six pick. So that's the other reason going 628 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,440 nuclear doesn't necessarily make sense, unless if they're not gonna play, 629 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,720 then yeah, sure, you try to just get off that money. 630 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,240 They're in a tough spot. I don't know how they 631 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,880 game it. If I had to guess, though, since we're 632 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,359 in the business of predictions, Grant, I think they skew 633 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,200 more towards operating within this Joel Embiid, Paul George window 634 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:39,359 than straddling a middle ground or just completely pivoting away 635 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:39,680 from it. 636 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: I think I agree with you and they just sort 637 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,440 of have to. 638 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: And I guess the glass the only glass half full 639 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,480 thing you could you could say, other than the really 640 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,839 glass half fulls like Embid's gonna be fine. And Paul 641 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:50,880 George isn't. 642 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,279 Speaker 1: That guy that we saw last year? Is that? 643 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,839 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, they're they're gonna be a little overstuffed in 644 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,680 the back court. But all those guys are positive value players. 645 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,400 I feel like I'm saying positive value a lot. But 646 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,799 like if you you're not gonna trade Maxie, but if 647 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:05,680 you're gonna trade MAXI you'd get a ton for him. 648 00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:07,359 I think you get you could get quite a bit 649 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,960 for McCain from the right team. I think if you 650 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:13,279 do have Grimes back, that's gonna be someone eventually that 651 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:19,279 will be value. Like you, they have some like some flexibility, 652 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:21,960 which sounds crazy to say about the Sixers team and 653 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,480 how expensive it is at the top, but like I 654 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:27,160 think you can you can mess around with some one 655 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,400 or two of those guards and turn it into something else. 656 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,200 I just don't know, Like I don't know when that 657 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:35,839 will be, and I do agree finally that like their 658 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:38,200 off season planning could change like day to day or 659 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,079 week to week depending on what the progress is for EMBIID, 660 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,480 Like you really they could you do one to eighty 661 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:46,759 on this, like on a certain day because you get 662 00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,160 good or bad news on EMBIID. 663 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: If we revisit, if we're recording this three or five 664 00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:52,759 days later than we are right now, like there's a 665 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,319 chance our opinions would totally have shifted. 666 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:55,519 Speaker 1: That, right. 667 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, But by the time we get to October and 668 00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,599 we're like doing the season previews, god knows where we'll be. 669 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: And really, as a final thing, you talking about Edgecombe 670 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,960 and Ace Bailey and would you take someone else? Does 671 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,279 that hurt your ability to even move the number three pin? 672 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,119 Like you're talking about trading down or trading the number 673 00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:17,720 three pick for some someone substantial? How excited are people 674 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,759 about everyone who's not Dylan Harper or Cooper Flag. It's 675 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,279 I've heard this framed as well, Trey Johnson could maybe 676 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,279 be that dude, But it feels like there's this huge 677 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:30,680 tapering off after Dylan Harper and Cooper Flag and so 678 00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,279 that it doesn't make it hard to move the number 679 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:35,759 three pick, but are you willing to adjust your expectations 680 00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,200 on what you're getting back or does it become a 681 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,039 like the primary vehicle through which you're cutting costs And 682 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,960 that's like moving the number three pick to dude, like 683 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:46,920 moving back to what in the middle of the first 684 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,119 rounds you can get off Paul George's contract just feels counterintuitive. 685 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Sixers really needed somebody like at the combine 686 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,160 to just, oh my god, you really like take over 687 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,200 the narrative and be like, well, this guy's in contention 688 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:02,519 for two you know, which just has not has not happened, 689 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,920 and that does that does probably hurt them because who's 690 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,000 like out there clamp who views this as a three 691 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720 player draft? Like, I don't think anybody does. Probably it's 692 00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:13,720 it's two. It's like one, and then Okay, Harper looks 693 00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:15,960 like he's going to be something, and after that it's like, 694 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,640 I don't know. For a long time, Bailey was the guy, 695 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,960 and now like, I'm very not sold on Bailey, And 696 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,000 I think that's the consensus is that you can't be 697 00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:25,920 sold on him as a clear number three. 698 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,799 Speaker 1: So I think that's a good observation. 699 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: Like they may even that is kind of working against 700 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,640 their ability to like have some kind of certainty about anything. 701 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I don't. 702 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,279 Speaker 2: Even think you couldn't just move Joel Embiid or Paul 703 00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:39,720 George into too Brooklyn's cap space if you gave them 704 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:42,119 number three for number eight, right, Like, even that cost 705 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,079 is too high to move up there. 706 00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 3: There's too many years left if it were like an 707 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,519 expiring or even two years left. Like, it's just they 708 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,559 go for too long and the dollar figures are too high, 709 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,720 especially for Embiid that you might get nothing from Embiid 710 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,240 for the balance of this contract. 711 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,359 Speaker 1: That is like on the table. You can't take that 712 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,400 guy on. I just don't. I don't see it. Do 713 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,880 you have anything else to add to this? 714 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,519 Speaker 2: This is the I think this is the first season 715 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,599 preview that we did not provide any answers. 716 00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:09,039 Speaker 1: So what should happen? And that's fitting in my opinion. Yeah, 717 00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:09,519 let's see. 718 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: Let's let's do one before we go out. I'll ask 719 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,799 you a question, Dan, is the Sixers offseason difficult to forecast? Yes? 720 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:19,799 Speaker 1: Definitive, arguably. 721 00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 3: Yes, that's perfect time to end it. Thanks everybody for listening, 722 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:26,759 for watching. Member to rate, review, and subscribe, Leave us 723 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,319 some comments on YouTube. Make sure you're telling your friends 724 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:33,559 about us, tell your enemies about us as punishment, And yeah, 725 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,279 I think that's going to cover. Sixers preview done, definitive, 726 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,680 no questions left there. 727 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,039 Speaker 2: Look at heads, we don't do those. 728 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 3: Sorry, we've looked ahead with one clarity and there are 729 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,319 no ambiguities, shouts Franknailo Keen, Apologies, Jared Allen