Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue Sea the Podcast. I
Speaker 1: am Mark the w and l Halfmire.
Speaker 2: And I am Jay Aquatica Obstacle Course CLO's welcome here
Speaker 2: boy DPC the podcast. On this show, we've been to
Speaker 2: the entire Deep Blue Sea Turgy seene by the scene.
Speaker 2: How will do it again with all new wonderful guests,
Speaker 2: because we just love this film so much and this
Speaker 2: is DeepC one, chapter twenty nine. What happens in chapter
Speaker 2: twenty nine, Let's have a listen. The surface level of
Speaker 2: Aquatica is in flaming, crumbling ruins. Susan dresses preachers wounded leg.
Speaker 2: She wipes his forehead and he opens.
Speaker 3: His eyes.
Speaker 4: Level, you know, because his eyes. Susan joins Carter outside.
Speaker 5: It'll be okay if we can get out of here.
Speaker 4: They survey the scene and Carter has a realization.
Speaker 6: It's not a little bitch what those fences are titanium underneath,
Speaker 6: but on top they're just playing steel. They've been hurting us,
Speaker 6: pushing us where they won, using us to flood the facility.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: That's the answer to the riddle, because that's what an
Speaker 6: eight thousand pound mako thinks about about freedom. About the
Speaker 6: deep blue sea.
Speaker 5: We have to kill her.
Speaker 6: Now, that's the first real smart thing you've said all day.
Speaker 4: A clone of water up. So the shark is bashing
Speaker 4: against the fence.
Speaker 6: Here we go.
Speaker 4: Carter and Susan make their way across the broken wall place.
Speaker 4: A shark continues to bash against the fence. At the armory,
Speaker 4: Carter han Susan a harpoon gun and a box.
Speaker 6: Let's go.
Speaker 4: He carries a large battery. As they head up some
Speaker 4: stone steps. They unscrew the gun and begin pouring gunpowder
Speaker 4: out of some flares.
Speaker 6: We ought to get about two and a half six
Speaker 6: of dynamite out of these flares.
Speaker 4: Carter loads it into the harpoon gun.
Speaker 1: From up here.
Speaker 6: You ought to be able to see me spirit when
Speaker 6: I do. You take this end of the cable, hook
Speaker 6: it up to the positive side of the boat battery,
Speaker 6: and boom.
Speaker 4: Susan doesn't look confident that she takes the other end
Speaker 4: of the wire.
Speaker 3: So that was keep see waiting Chapter twenty.
Speaker 1: J Jay, I want to see a deep blues like
Speaker 1: you know the show wipe Out and like I don't
Speaker 1: know those shows where people have to run optical verses
Speaker 1: and just wipe out. I want to see like an
Speaker 1: aquatica version of that.
Speaker 2: Yep, me too, with sharks, of course, with sharks, and
Speaker 2: we'll need someone's advice on what sharks to put in
Speaker 2: that facility, and the best person to ask be our
Speaker 2: guest this week is doctor Jack Cooper.
Speaker 3: Jack, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: Well Jay, and hello Mark, and thanks so much for
Speaker 5: having me.
Speaker 1: This is your first time watching Deep Blue CY? Sorry? Jay,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. This is great, Yes, it is, it is.
Speaker 5: I've seen many a shark film my time, but incredibly
Speaker 5: one of those films that eluded me all this time
Speaker 5: was Deep BLUEC. So it was great to be asked
Speaker 5: to come on. I got and it's just to finally
Speaker 5: watch this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, so I think you're our first shark expert.
Speaker 2: We've had like shark fans on, but you're like a
Speaker 2: proper paleobiologist megaladorn expert shark advocate. I'm just reading off
Speaker 2: for your website at this point, but you're a full
Speaker 2: like proper shark guy.
Speaker 3: And so why why why didn't you watch there?
Speaker 5: Now a pretty reasonable question. It was on my list
Speaker 5: for years and years and I just never got round
Speaker 5: to it. Have doing a PhD. Unfortunately, you don't have
Speaker 5: a lot of free time, so I think I just
Speaker 5: needed the push and coming here was finally the thing
Speaker 5: that maybe what sit down and are You watch it and.
Speaker 1: It changed your life and you'll never be the same.
Speaker 5: Well, I will say it's some of the best movie
Speaker 5: I've watched about genetically modified.
Speaker 1: You know, how do you feel about them picking goo
Speaker 1: sharks for this? You know, they're fast, they can jump,
Speaker 1: they they like it's it's it's not the bull shark,
Speaker 1: it's not the Great White shark. I feel like it
Speaker 1: was kind of a neat and almost smart decision to
Speaker 1: make Mako sharks. They're not really the bad guys because
Speaker 1: you're just trying to escape prison. But like, what do
Speaker 1: you think about the idea to get Maco sharks in this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that was a really interesting idea because obviously,
Speaker 5: in anyone who has seen any shark movie knows that
Speaker 5: the Great White is the most famous one and the
Speaker 5: one that they love to put in the movies. So
Speaker 5: it's always nice when there's an appreciation for a different
Speaker 5: kind of shark. I don't know the mako is closely
Speaker 5: related to the white shark. You're right, and that's a
Speaker 5: very different kind of shark. It's famously the fastest shark
Speaker 5: known to man. I can swim it about possibly as
Speaker 5: much as forty five miles per hour, and that a
Speaker 5: lot makes them quite scary form.
Speaker 1: Without one, without genetic modification.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and that makes for very interesting. It's nice to
Speaker 5: see a different kind of shark in this kind of movie.
Speaker 5: And I like your points where you say they're not
Speaker 5: tenky the bad guys. That was actually one of the
Speaker 5: things I really enjoyed it took away from Deep Blue
Speaker 5: c is that generally, yes, the sharks are killing and
Speaker 5: eating everyone, but if anything, the bad guy is essentially
Speaker 5: man who has messed with these sharks and tried to
Speaker 5: use them for man's own end. And I thought that
Speaker 5: was a very fascinating take on the shark film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're not like the psychic evil shark
Speaker 1: from Jaws, the revenge you just want to revenge. It's
Speaker 1: not just the super hungry shark from Jaws. They're just like,
Speaker 1: get me out of here. We're smart, like we want
Speaker 1: to be in the ocean. Let's heard these humans and
Speaker 1: kill them and get them out of here. And I
Speaker 1: love it. It makes me it makes me really happy. Did
Speaker 1: you like the design of the sharks? Did you? Did
Speaker 1: they look good for you?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Were they? Yeah?
Speaker 5: They did look good. They actually looked very close to
Speaker 5: what a real life maker looks like. And given that
Speaker 5: this film was made in nineteen ninety nine, I was
Speaker 5: pleasantly surprised and pretty impressed by that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just gonna keep asking you questions that I
Speaker 1: know will have good answers so I can just be like, Yes,
Speaker 1: this movie is great.
Speaker 3: This movie is great.
Speaker 1: Sharks people, thank you.
Speaker 3: I was gonna got jay.
Speaker 5: I've never known a shark to hurt people, and that's
Speaker 5: the most still about again, so I can give.
Speaker 3: This is this chapter.
Speaker 2: We there's not a lot of sharks in the chapter
Speaker 2: compared to the ones we've had, but this is the
Speaker 2: one where they talk about the motivation of the sharks
Speaker 2: to to get out for the deep Blue c I know.
Speaker 3: This is all this is a genum modified is all hypothetical.
Speaker 2: But does that make sense to you? As your are
Speaker 2: are gonna be all our resident shark X. But we're
Speaker 2: just gonna assume you know everything inside out of every
Speaker 2: shark and every in the whole world.
Speaker 3: So does that make sense to you from the perspective
Speaker 3: of a shark expert.
Speaker 7: Sharks in the context of the film, Sure there is
Speaker 7: good enough, well great white scan living captivity, right, so
Speaker 7: I bet you know some sharks just don't can't survive
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 1: So even though they're in the ocean, they probably they
Speaker 1: want out. macOS want to swim.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, and you're right they're great. White sharks very
Speaker 5: rarely have successfully been keptain captivity. I can only think
Speaker 5: of one, and even then they had to release it
Speaker 5: in the end. And a lot of that's due to
Speaker 5: the fact that these sharks are ram ventilators, which means
Speaker 5: they have to continuously swim across a big stretch of
Speaker 5: sea in order to just stay alive. And that's true
Speaker 5: of white sharks, and it's also true of makos that
Speaker 5: are their close relatives. So make you could very well
Speaker 5: see us a pretty good motivation for a genetically modified
Speaker 5: mako shark.
Speaker 1: Well, like you guys are killing us. We can't be
Speaker 1: start it's a nice little pen, like if this was
Speaker 1: a zoo, it'd be an adequate pen. But we're like
Speaker 1: we can destroy cameras and like we can heard people
Speaker 1: like let me out of here, like, let me go
Speaker 1: ahead with.
Speaker 2: We don't see the sharks sitting still, so I don't
Speaker 2: if I'm guessing you haven't seen Deep with C two Jack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I haven't seen two or three, but I
Speaker 5: know they exist.
Speaker 2: We'll have you back, don't you worry. So the TBC
Speaker 2: two and three look at bull sharks, and there is
Speaker 2: a scene ind WC two a bull shark sat or
Speaker 2: not sack, just stationary at the window, watching listening to
Speaker 2: a conversation happening inside the room by two people. But
Speaker 2: the shark isn't moving. It's kind of stationary.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing of all the things I've just said in
Speaker 3: that scene, that's the bit that's least likely to be believable.
Speaker 3: It's the shark and not moving.
Speaker 5: Certainly not a polatic shark like a bull shark. Any
Speaker 5: sharks that do stand sort of just sit still and
Speaker 5: a moving tend to be sharks that live on the
Speaker 5: sea bottom and so nothing like a bull shark. But
Speaker 5: you've got me interested to watch it now, Okay.
Speaker 3: So three has a similar scene three it's favorite scene.
Speaker 1: It's about a guy who wants to prevent a robot
Speaker 1: AI apocalypse, so he making bull sharks smarter and using
Speaker 1: their brain juice. He's drinking their brain juice to give
Speaker 1: himself limitless powers like Bradley Cooper to prevent the robot apocalypse.
Speaker 1: It's the greatest plot. It's the greatest plot of every
Speaker 1: any excuse that I have to explain the plot of
Speaker 1: Deep Blue cy I take it because.
Speaker 2: You get you get baby bullshots and pans, you get
Speaker 2: a shark, heat's a drone at one point, it's glorious.
Speaker 2: It's we're looking forward to bring it again.
Speaker 1: And there's a doctor called doctor Misty Calhoun, yep.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: And there's a guy called Trent Slator or Slater Trent,
Speaker 1: you know, we keep messing up his name. But it's
Speaker 1: a it's a gorgeous movie to behold. So you've been
Speaker 1: on the Jaws Minute podcast a lot, like what was
Speaker 1: it nice to have a break to watch some kind
Speaker 1: of Deep Blue silliness aside for like you know, like
Speaker 1: I don't know it's Jaws is just like a don't
Speaker 1: call classic and I you know, I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: Jaws lately, where like it's narrative is set. It's a classic,
Speaker 1: even if there's think pieces saying it's not that good.
Speaker 1: The world just considers it to be like at all timer,
Speaker 1: but I feel like Deep Blue Sea. The reason why
Speaker 1: I love it so much, it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe not like sharks themselves, but like I feel like
Speaker 1: it's kind of misunderstood and people don't think it's good,
Speaker 1: but I think it's a real like. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's narrative is fair. I think it's actually a really
Speaker 1: good film and it's fun. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: feel that way.
Speaker 5: So to answer to your first bit, it is definitely.
Speaker 1: Nice, different questions different.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's nice to talk about different shark because, besides Jaws,
Speaker 5: which I always love talking about, by far and away,
Speaker 5: the film I'm asked about the most is The meg
Speaker 5: because of my research on Megalodon, and that's also sort
Speaker 5: of a big, dumb, silly, fun movie but doesn't have
Speaker 5: quite the interesting thematic resence that say Deep Blue c has.
Speaker 5: So it's definitely been interesting to just see not only
Speaker 5: a different but a new one in my case, and
Speaker 5: in many ways it sort of takes sharpens into two
Speaker 5: different camps, and that's something I don't see a lot
Speaker 5: of shark signs as talking about. There is your serious
Speaker 5: shark film, which is your Jaws is basically or something
Speaker 5: like The Shallows. And then there's your big, dumb, silly
Speaker 5: shark films like the meg or if you want to
Speaker 5: go really b movie, things like Mega Shark Versus Giant
Speaker 5: Octopu Staff features sharks jumping out and snatching planes in
Speaker 5: the air. So a lot of that's going to depend
Speaker 5: on not just how much you care about shark conservation
Speaker 5: or specifically how you feel about sharks being depicted, but
Speaker 5: also just your taste in movies in general. And as
Speaker 5: someone who is very, very passionate about shark conservation, I
Speaker 5: can definitely appreciate both kinds of shark movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Jay.
Speaker 2: We cover the full spectrum on here as well. We've
Speaker 2: done all the sharknadoes, we cover them all, but we've
Speaker 2: also done like open Water and the reef and the
Speaker 2: more serious stuff. I tend to prefer the sillier side
Speaker 2: of things, Mark Clubs, everything.
Speaker 1: I just love movies. Films are flicks, you know any
Speaker 1: of them. And so you know, Jaws, I know kind
Speaker 1: of sparked a not like a backlash. I mean, people
Speaker 1: should be smart enough to know it's a book.
Speaker 3: Or a movie.
Speaker 1: But you know, sharks got hurt by that film, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, open water of the reef, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like more of a realistic kind of view where
Speaker 1: I don't think it hurts them. It's just like they're
Speaker 1: out here to kill you. You're in this vast open ocean,
Speaker 1: and it might happen, there might be sharks, But I
Speaker 1: think Deep Blue Sea works because it's like, it's not Shane.
Speaker 1: The sharks are built like, it doesn't villainize them, like
Speaker 1: everyone watching it isn't like, yeah, go fin them, Like
Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, these poor sharks, like they've been modified.
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of a nice subversion of
Speaker 1: like Killer Shark movie where they're more.
Speaker 2: Sotic guys into at the start of two the shark
Speaker 2: finners and they get taken out immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah they yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: When I sat down to watch the movie, the very
Speaker 5: first scene you have the boats at my mediful was,
Speaker 5: I know what's happening here, We're gonna get a shark
Speaker 5: and see here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they sort of survive. No one dies in
Speaker 3: that scene, which is rare for that kind.
Speaker 5: Of indeed that that's sort of like, oh okay, maybe
Speaker 5: I don't know where this is going. And actually, partly
Speaker 5: to what Mark is saying, that is sort of the
Speaker 5: distinction for Deep Blue Sea to me is the fact that, yes,
Speaker 5: the sharks are killing everyone, but they're certainly not the
Speaker 5: monsters per se. They are creations of mankind and essentially
Speaker 5: Macann trying to mess with nature, and I think that's
Speaker 5: a really interesting angle for the shark film that I
Speaker 5: don't think I've seen in any other shark film, so
Speaker 5: it certainly stands out for that reason.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's Drassick Park, it's Frankenstein. It's been
Speaker 3: in other.
Speaker 2: Films, but it's the only other film that the same
Speaker 2: year the DEPC came out, Shark Attack came out straight
Speaker 2: to the TV movie, which has a very similar plot
Speaker 2: of sharks being bred to cure cancer, I think, but
Speaker 2: it's much it's as much smaller aspect of it. So
Speaker 2: that's the only other like shark film I can think
Speaker 2: of that has a similar kind of plot. So I'm
Speaker 2: assuming you'd knew the Sam Jackson death scene prior to
Speaker 2: going in.
Speaker 5: So that was the one scene I knew of going in, yes,
Speaker 5: And it's funny had I not known that I would
Speaker 5: have been watching this film and thinking Samuel Jackson was
Speaker 5: the main character with the way they introduced him and
Speaker 5: the way he leads the group, which is what makes
Speaker 5: his death scene so iconic. He's literally in the middle
Speaker 5: of giving a heroic monologue than any other movie. That
Speaker 5: would be what drives the group together for the third acts.
Speaker 5: And then he gets eaten. Just incredible, It's great.
Speaker 1: And what do you think about Whitlock's death where he
Speaker 1: gets carried around, travels all over, uses a battering ram,
Speaker 1: looks at his his you know, wife or girlfriend as
Speaker 1: he's about to corrack through the glass, Like, what do
Speaker 1: you think about that? Gnarly kill?
Speaker 5: Oh, both of the walls.
Speaker 1: You might so love it. We said it many times
Speaker 1: that Rena Halland loves killing people really hard, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: he does that in this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And if you've got to get a big recently
Speaker 5: Oscar nominated actor like Stelling scars God and then you
Speaker 5: might as well go all out with Hits.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some sentimental to his death, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We're recording this just a couple of days after he
Speaker 2: didn't win the Oscar And I'm quite sad because I
Speaker 2: had my hopes on another Deeper Sea cast member getting OSCA.
Speaker 1: You know what the problem is with sentimental value though,
Speaker 1: it's like it won Best International Feature, but it's just
Speaker 1: so I've said this many times, Jay, but so emotionally mature.
Speaker 1: It's nice, like there's no huge speeches or like flashy melodrama.
Speaker 1: It's just smart people being emotionally mature. And I think
Speaker 1: that hurt it. It makes it a very good movie.
Speaker 1: But also it's like it's just so good because it's
Speaker 1: it's not like big and bold, like one battle after another,
Speaker 1: you know, like Sean Penn's performances clash. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have Sean Penn scenes from that. But I think
Speaker 1: Scars Guard is just very good and yeah, yeah perfect.
Speaker 3: And Sean Penn didn't need a third Oscar didn't. You
Speaker 3: can show up for it.
Speaker 2: But if we're talking about the foreign language Oscars, I
Speaker 2: would have gone for it was just an accident. I
Speaker 2: think he should have won a sentimental value because it's phenomenal.
Speaker 5: On a train recently, I loved the Voice of Hidjar before.
Speaker 5: That was an incredible film and I've not seen it,
Speaker 5: but I'm aware of The Secret Agents features a tiger sharks,
Speaker 5: so I need to watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the one. It's the of all
Speaker 2: the films this year. I had the most sharks in
Speaker 2: it in the Oscar Races. I didn't I didn't love
Speaker 2: the Secret Agent because the shark's dead. There's the sharks
Speaker 2: never alive at any point. It's a dead shark throughout.
Speaker 1: What's the point. And they were selling it on Neon.
Speaker 1: They were selling a shark with the leg in its
Speaker 1: mouth on the website and I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get that, but it was sold out. So I almost
Speaker 1: had a shark with a leg in its mouth from
Speaker 1: the Secret Agent from Neon, but I guess everyone bought
Speaker 1: it already. Kind of bummed about that. So if you're
Speaker 1: going to like cure you know, any disease, what shark
Speaker 1: would you use to test on?
Speaker 3: What a question?
Speaker 5: So that's probably not something I you're really anybody can answer.
Speaker 5: And I think I suspect that this plot point came
Speaker 5: from a well regarded myth that sharks don't get cancer. Basically,
Speaker 5: that's not true that we've seen plenty of We've seen
Speaker 5: plenty of sharks that have tumors, Cancer's tumors on them.
Speaker 5: So that sort of the spells out the window. But
Speaker 5: it's a convenient myth you can use for a genetically
Speaker 5: modified shark movie, so we'll go for it's whatever.
Speaker 1: Like, what are those sharks on the blue Blue Planet
Speaker 1: that when the whalefall goes to the bottom of the ocean,
Speaker 1: those gigantic sharks feed off the carcass, like live on
Speaker 1: the bottom. What are they? I know? I know that,
Speaker 1: Like I have a friend that, like he's a one
Speaker 1: entomologist and so he just this thing is neatle So
Speaker 1: I know you don't know every single kind of shark,
Speaker 1: but you know what they are. Those things freak me out.
Speaker 1: I think they'd be good for a horror movie.
Speaker 5: So I suspect you're talking of splunt nosed six skilled sharks,
Speaker 5: which are these very big sharks with six skills on
Speaker 5: each end, and they have these very fleaky comb like
Speaker 5: teeth that can be used to eat really just about
Speaker 5: anything they come across, and they get quite big, so
Speaker 5: they do occasionally eat marine metals. So having I think
Speaker 5: of the scene in like I think it's Blue Planet
Speaker 5: when one of them gets quite close to the sub.
Speaker 5: If that's the shark you're talking about, then it's six
Speaker 5: skale sharks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those things look awesome.
Speaker 2: That you have a favorite shark shack that hasn't been
Speaker 2: used in a film before waiting.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I love answering this because everyone assumes my
Speaker 5: favorite shark is Megalodon, the giant exting shark, and in
Speaker 5: many ways it is. That is what had caused my
Speaker 5: interest in sharks in general. But my favorite living shark
Speaker 5: is actually called a cookie cutter shark.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, finy.
Speaker 5: Little sharks that swim up to bigger animals, take a
Speaker 5: perfect circular chunk out of them and then some away.
Speaker 5: They probably wouldn't make for very interesting movie because all
Speaker 5: they're doing is taking tiny bites out of people, but
Speaker 5: it would be a different shark movie.
Speaker 3: Well, they're in Shark Knight three D.
Speaker 2: If you want to see Shark Knight three D has
Speaker 2: a lake full of different kinds of sharks in it,
Speaker 2: one of which is cookie cutter sharks, So that should
Speaker 2: be on your list to watch next.
Speaker 3: I guess Shark Knight three D.
Speaker 1: Oh it is now, Yeah, and there's a scene where
Speaker 1: a great white shark swims past a jet ski that's
Speaker 1: opened it up like it's going like maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: forty miles an hour flying down a river, the shark
Speaker 1: gets past, it goes past, turns around, that jumps out
Speaker 1: of the water and catches the guy when he's jet skiing.
Speaker 3: And a guy has a spit fight with a hammerhead shot
Speaker 3: in the shadows. Yep, these are all things.
Speaker 2: That happen, and it's very realistic film. So when you
Speaker 2: do watch it, you got you got to stick around
Speaker 2: to the end of the credits.
Speaker 3: I won't say why, but you gotta watch the end
Speaker 3: of the credits for Shop.
Speaker 1: Three D have a very important question for you, Jack.
Speaker 1: Do you like the meg.
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 5: I do like the megans a slight spoiler to the
Speaker 5: top four shartms list, and a lot of the reason
Speaker 5: for that is appreciating that it doesn't take itself that seriously.
Speaker 5: It knows exactly what movie it is, and it sort
Speaker 5: of just goes for it, especially sort of compared to
Speaker 5: the book, which I also liked, but takes itself a
Speaker 5: lot more seriously. And generally, my logic towards the Meg
Speaker 5: films has always been, yes, they're stupid and don't make
Speaker 5: a lot of sense, but if somebody watches that film
Speaker 5: and then decides that they're going to research megalodon or
Speaker 5: indeed sharks, and they discover something new or they contry
Speaker 5: to conservation. Then knows me to eggs has been a
Speaker 5: good thing. That being said, Meg too is a piece
Speaker 5: of trash.
Speaker 3: We prefer Meg two to Meg one this show because
Speaker 3: Meg Make two is more Megs than it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's jet Skis. I like, I like jet
Speaker 1: Skis that is so you'll notice that, and he swims
Speaker 1: on the bottom of the ocean. He just he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna breathe out and I'm just gonna.
Speaker 2: Swim and we like, Yeah, we like it because it's
Speaker 2: it really leans into the city noess, even more I
Speaker 2: think than the first one does.
Speaker 5: So it's funny to see what the jet skis like.
Speaker 5: The one scene I like hit Meg two and the
Speaker 5: entire vie I'm like, can I can I just have
Speaker 5: the sharks eat people? Please? And then when they finally do,
Speaker 5: starting everyone then for about ten minutes, it's pretty great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the.
Speaker 2: Problem with the first one when when the Megs swimming
Speaker 2: through that massive all those people swimming out in the sea,
Speaker 2: I always say it should be going through like a
Speaker 2: like a pool.
Speaker 3: Skimmer. It like collecting hundreds of people up at a time.
Speaker 3: It's not getting anyone.
Speaker 1: I like the guy in the bubble, that was a
Speaker 1: funny like that, that's great. Does he pop? Does he
Speaker 1: eat that guy? Does he pop that thing?
Speaker 5: He absolutely does eat that guy.
Speaker 1: I love it. So this scene, like, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of love that. You know, this is kind
Speaker 1: of what the Indian was going towards j before they
Speaker 1: did the reshoots. It was Susan and Carter enacting the
Speaker 1: plan while preachers. Do you know about the ending?
Speaker 3: Jack?
Speaker 1: And what what the original ending was?
Speaker 5: I wasn't there was an original ending. The only original
Speaker 5: change Shark movie and I know of is of course
Speaker 5: yours four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of there's no end of deep
Speaker 2: who see Susan survived.
Speaker 3: She she's the one who explodes and kills the shark.
Speaker 3: Preacher is alive as well, but he's still just injured
Speaker 3: off screen. Uh.
Speaker 2: And they released that, well, didn't release it from They
Speaker 2: did test screenings and the general opinion was people didn't
Speaker 2: like Susan as a character and wanted her to be killed,
Speaker 2: and so they reshot it. I think I think we've
Speaker 2: said they've shot it without telling Saffron Borrows.
Speaker 1: They didn't tell her.
Speaker 3: She didn't find out until the premiere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like the final shot of carteron Preacher on
Speaker 2: the platform, she's been digitally removed from from that shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess to be fair to those test audience
Speaker 5: since the sharks going round for the everyone, it's kind
Speaker 5: of her fault.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there's different canvass to whether she's the villain
Speaker 2: of the film or not. We we very she did
Speaker 2: she did without she knew what she was doing was wrong,
Speaker 2: but for good reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But then so many things have been done with
Speaker 3: the best intention that.
Speaker 1: Just don't ever I've said a hundred times, but you
Speaker 1: haven't Jack given her. It's like, I don't think she
Speaker 1: meant to make them that smart like that, that's a
Speaker 1: purely oops moment. Like if you're if you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make these sharks smarter so I can get bigger
Speaker 1: brain tissue to prevent Alzheimer's, but you're never like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make them so smart that they can understand cameras
Speaker 1: swim backwards. They're waiting for Susan to kill the research
Speaker 1: Like these things are they're like coach, like, they're like,
Speaker 1: we have a plan. You go here, you go here,
Speaker 1: you go here, We'll have them sink the facility. They
Speaker 1: don't kill Carter a bunch of times because they want
Speaker 1: the doors open, like you, I'm sorry, but I don't
Speaker 1: think you ever go into like a scientific study being
Speaker 1: like this is gonna happen. So I I feel for her.
Speaker 1: She lied, and she did make them smarter, and she
Speaker 1: did break a lot of what the Geneva compact and
Speaker 1: the half OF's going back, yeah, all that stuff, like
Speaker 1: it's I don't know.
Speaker 5: She just so, yeah, it's adgy. My day to day
Speaker 5: job is actually in publishing ethics and science papers. So
Speaker 5: that did get me thinking about when I was Revelation
Speaker 5: came out so ethically, Yes, Susan and Jim have absolutely
Speaker 5: breached scientific efforts when it comes to testing animals. They
Speaker 5: would both lose their jobs if that became public. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, anyone defending them would probably argue, well,
Speaker 5: they were doing it to cure Alzheimer's And that's where
Speaker 5: sort of the gray area comes in, and that does
Speaker 5: make for quite an interesting sort of debate that the
Speaker 5: characters have in the film. And you can look at
Speaker 5: it one way, as in for the greater good, or
Speaker 5: you can look at it is as right. But she
Speaker 5: also committed so many ethical breaches of testing animals.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if if Garza and Preacher hadn't you know, taken
Speaker 2: the sharks out by the end of the film, what
Speaker 2: have it? Could they ever on the rest of the world.
Speaker 5: Who knows exactly?
Speaker 1: Well, what could that shark have done to the rest
Speaker 1: of the world, because that shark bread she would need
Speaker 1: to like who would breed with that shark?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Like would she? She's it would she could cause chaos
Speaker 1: in the ocean, But would she be able to breed?
Speaker 5: Well, my best guess. Keep in mind this is a
Speaker 5: genetically modified macro sharks that she'd probably just eat quite
Speaker 5: a lot of it. And now maco sharks generally probably
Speaker 5: would have been preyed on by a killer whale. But
Speaker 5: if we consider that this shark is super super smart,
Speaker 5: we'll say maybe not. I think honestly, the worst of
Speaker 5: was that she would eat quite a lot of it
Speaker 5: before dying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the world wouldn't be over, it would just
Speaker 1: be you know, al watch out, there's a gigantic makeo
Speaker 1: that's smarter than you are swimming around the area.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny because in most circumstances, if it was
Speaker 5: a regular shark film about a giant mako, given that
Speaker 5: overfishing kills millions of sharks every year and over a
Speaker 5: further them a friend of extinction, we would have taken
Speaker 5: that shark out long ago. But then of course you
Speaker 5: considered that the shark is super super smart, and that's
Speaker 5: sort of where the interesting hypotheticals come.
Speaker 3: In, and then they blow it up. So this could
Speaker 3: be a city question. Can sharks communicate with each other?
Speaker 5: So it sort of depends on the shark. Obviously sharks
Speaker 5: cannot verbally communicate, but there are some sharks. Obviously some
Speaker 5: of them gather in groups called shivers, So there are
Speaker 5: some sharks that have some social aggregations, and there are
Speaker 5: some sharks, such as chained swell sharks, that are actually
Speaker 5: bible luminescent and can glow in the dark and people.
Speaker 5: Some scientists think that might be a form of communication.
Speaker 5: And of course with shivers, there's some sort of hierarchical
Speaker 5: dominance going on. Even when white sharks, if a big
Speaker 5: female comes along, the other white sharks tend to not
Speaker 5: bother with whatever they're hunting, So can they communicate? As
Speaker 5: a very bored question, but the answer is read, that
Speaker 5: is some evidence of sociality in at least some species
Speaker 5: of shark.
Speaker 2: So because because we've often hypothesized that, how did they
Speaker 2: come up with this plan together as a team, as
Speaker 2: a family, I guess, like with with they having like meetings,
Speaker 2: drawing in the sand, like you.
Speaker 3: Go here, you go here, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Was it just a conversation but they're underwater, So because
Speaker 2: clearly they must this is a plan they come up with.
Speaker 2: This film opens with one of them getting out to
Speaker 2: see the response. Time for Garden to go and get
Speaker 2: them to come back in again, and like you go,
Speaker 2: you go, get Preacher in the kitchen, you go get
Speaker 2: the data in Susan's office or take out the rest
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: It's a plan.
Speaker 2: It's a big plan, and they must have had some
Speaker 2: means of communicating it between them, and I have often
Speaker 2: wondered how, Because they're sharks.
Speaker 5: I like to think they met a bit like the
Speaker 5: sharks and shark him too, and sat around and had
Speaker 5: a chat.
Speaker 1: Sure they must have, right, they chatted These sharks had
Speaker 1: a chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like but yeah, like Jack Blackened not Society is
Speaker 2: not a shock and the nearest the Shock and first
Speaker 2: Fermi his name.
Speaker 3: I can never remember.
Speaker 5: The wee fish that's played by Monscore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the fish. Yeah, that's still shrimp.
Speaker 1: There's movies where I want to see, like I want
Speaker 1: to see the plant. I want this to be from
Speaker 1: their perspective and be like an Ocean's eleven movie. Like
Speaker 1: just like George Clooney voices one, Brad Pitt voices the
Speaker 1: other Matt Damon, No, it's a lady Julia Roberts. No,
Speaker 1: it'd be Julia Roberts, Catherine Zada Jones and Clooney and
Speaker 1: they're just like voicing the sharks to get out of Aquatica.
Speaker 1: That's the movie I want, and I feel like we
Speaker 1: might it's.
Speaker 3: The movie we want. Yeah, one doesn't want.
Speaker 1: So aside from the Samuel Jackson surprise that you knew
Speaker 1: about and we are talked about whitlocks, were there other
Speaker 1: things that you enjoyed or found surprising about this movie
Speaker 1: where like subversive or different or smart or put a
Speaker 1: smile on your face.
Speaker 5: So I was grinning ear to ear everybody, which is
Speaker 5: something that is manly a bit basic on watching a
Speaker 5: Shark film. But as we were going from each as
Speaker 5: the group dwindles down and more and more of them
Speaker 5: get eaten, I was finding myself continuously grilling at the
Speaker 5: new ways they foundselves to do it. Like obviously Stell
Speaker 5: Jim Stelling Skarsgar's character gets pretty batters before they finish
Speaker 5: him off. He gets his even getting his arm lifted
Speaker 5: off initially, and then the ways that they kill Scogs
Speaker 5: is quite is quite impressive, and I was particular to
Speaker 5: find that because I didn't find myself that convinced by
Speaker 5: Michael Rappoport's performance. So I was just kind of happy
Speaker 5: when he got eaten.
Speaker 3: It is the heart and soul of the film.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what Scog does here. What is Gog's He
Speaker 1: said he went to T. Did you say he went
Speaker 1: to MI T.
Speaker 2: He was meant to be an engineer, Yeah, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: meant to be aged four years tech tech.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I will say as additional thing that I found myself,
Speaker 5: I was so surprised to found loving was going in.
Speaker 5: I thought hot air, well cool J's in a Shark movie.
Speaker 5: By the end of it, I was like, Preacher is
Speaker 5: the best character.
Speaker 3: And absolutely he's the best part.
Speaker 2: So I speaking of Preacher, would a shark go out
Speaker 2: of its way to eat just a small little bird?
Speaker 3: Is that? Is that not like a tiny little jelly
Speaker 3: bean for a shark.
Speaker 5: So sharks are generally opportunistic by nature, which means if
Speaker 5: they see something that's viable to eat, they will probably
Speaker 5: try to eat it. So I used to work in
Speaker 5: a cage diving operation in South Africa, and people who
Speaker 5: work there have absolutely seen great white sharks eat sea birds.
Speaker 5: So I think it's totally plausible that an incredibly smart
Speaker 5: maker would eat a parrot.
Speaker 1: Tell us about your time out there, I want to
Speaker 1: hear more.
Speaker 5: Well, it was a really yeah, it was a fascinating
Speaker 5: couple of summers. I got to watch how the white
Speaker 5: sharks engage around the baits on the boats, and it
Speaker 5: was some of the most incredible memories. I could see
Speaker 5: that they are quite clever and social creatures in that
Speaker 5: they aren't there to essentially look at you and take
Speaker 5: a bite. They're curious by you in the cage and
Speaker 5: they will sort of maybe have a look and then
Speaker 5: they'll swim by. They're quite chill. But perhaps even more
Speaker 5: so is that the first time I went there was
Speaker 5: when a great white shark was actually killed by two
Speaker 5: killaway I was out there, so I got to watch
Speaker 5: a dissection of a dead white shark after these two
Speaker 5: killawas had killed it and taken its liver.
Speaker 1: What they took its liver?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm. And yet it was so interestingly how it
Speaker 5: was almost a surgical removal. These well, these Orcas are
Speaker 5: really smart. I would not mess with August. I've never
Speaker 5: seen the movie Orca, but I think I would take
Speaker 5: the Geneslie modified maker as any day over August.
Speaker 3: Orca is a sad film.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's good, but it's yeah, it's not a
Speaker 2: big action film. It's it's quite melancholy at times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it starts sting. You didn't see that. You saw
Speaker 1: the aftermath, and they just like what did they just
Speaker 1: hit it out of nowhere? Like how do they? How
Speaker 1: do they get it? I want to know more about this.
Speaker 5: So it's generally for that Orcus will gang up on
Speaker 5: a shark. One will sort of hit it to flip
Speaker 5: it upside down, and the other will remove its liver.
Speaker 5: What's quite interesting, though, is that of these two individuals,
Speaker 5: they're called Port and Starboards due to their flipping dorsal fins.
Speaker 5: But one of my colleagues, Esther Jacob's, actually witnessed one
Speaker 5: of them killing a small white shark by himself. So
Speaker 5: what we learned is that, oh no, orcas generally will
Speaker 5: team up and to take out a white shark. They
Speaker 5: are totally capable of taking one out by themselves. And
Speaker 5: what's become so interesting about this is that we saw
Speaker 5: the white sharks begin to disappear from South Africa and
Speaker 5: this time, and it's now recently come out that the
Speaker 5: killer whales, yes, were killing white sharks there. But given
Speaker 5: that there is a growing sense of overfishing going around
Speaker 5: South Africa, that were killing say twenty white sharks a year,
Speaker 5: they were probably slowly removing the white shop population in
Speaker 5: the background. And these killer whales, oh no, they absolutely contributed.
Speaker 5: They were essentially a big convenient distraction for us, actually
Speaker 5: removing the white sharks in South Africa.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that makes sense. I mean, that's gonna make
Speaker 1: a lot more press a killer whale killing a great
Speaker 1: white as opposed to fishers fishermen wiping out sharks like
Speaker 1: I did. When I was working on my master's I
Speaker 1: did a study about like the amount of articles about
Speaker 1: shark attacks compared to the number of articles about the
Speaker 1: millions of sharks are being fin the year, and the
Speaker 1: number is astronomical and astronomically in favor of the shark attacks.
Speaker 1: Like there's really not much press about there about the
Speaker 1: shark finning, So it's I guess it would make sense
Speaker 1: that you would use that while fishing. Oh no, it's
Speaker 1: orcs or organs are crazy out here. They're just wiping
Speaker 1: them out, like just as opposed to the fishing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's interesting because orcas killing one sharks absolutely
Speaker 5: makes for a grander headline. I say that as someone
Speaker 5: who has written journalistic article is about these guys. So
Speaker 5: it is super interesting that that we're sort of finally
Speaker 5: starting to see what the data is actually telling us.
Speaker 5: Even though the orcas are definitely playing a part, they
Speaker 5: are ultimately a fragment of nature and them killing one
Speaker 5: sharks just part of the natural world. But we can't
Speaker 5: really control what they do, but we can control what
Speaker 5: we do to the sharks, and I think that's ultimately
Speaker 5: the more of the film too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Random question. You're going on a shark adventure and there's
Speaker 1: genetically modified sharks and you need to pick one person
Speaker 1: to survive. Are you taking Statham from the Meg or
Speaker 1: are you're taking Carter Blake from Deep Blue C Which
Speaker 1: one you're picking?
Speaker 5: Oh that's a good question. Uh. I think I would
Speaker 5: take Carter Blake. And the reason of that is, oh, no,
Speaker 5: Jason Satan is green. He'll punch some sharks out the
Speaker 5: way for me. Uh. Generally, let's say we go to
Speaker 5: the bottom of the ocean and he tries to do
Speaker 5: that thing where he exhales at the bottom of the trench.
Speaker 5: In reality he is dead instantly, whereas I'm much more
Speaker 5: trusting of Carter Blake Street smarts.
Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a great answer.
Speaker 3: We I hope no one's tried that. No one's watched
Speaker 3: The Lake too and thought genius.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I saw that the movie and then just crushed by that.
Speaker 1: Yeah Carter he uh yeah, there are aquatic muffin. That's
Speaker 1: what the names call him, so we like, we like
Speaker 1: calling him that. But all right, so you would take.
Speaker 5: It's a good name. So I I only knew Thomas
Speaker 5: Jane from that show The Expanse before I watched Deep
Speaker 5: Blue C because he's one of the main dudes in
Speaker 5: that so like, Oh, it's nice to see Miller.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Expanse rules. I love that show so much. I
Speaker 1: should do this episode in a belter accent. What do
Speaker 1: you think you think I could do it?
Speaker 5: I don't think I could do accent.
Speaker 1: No, not a hit Strath Aaron does a good one,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. But yeah, he does a lot of
Speaker 1: hat work in that one, Thomas Jane, He's a lot
Speaker 1: of He does a lot of hat work in the Expanse,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate. I just want to put that out there. Jay,
Speaker 1: you don't really see TJ in many hats. You see
Speaker 1: Jason Statham in a lot of hats, but not Carter Blake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Statham's a hat guy.
Speaker 3: It has him wearing a hat. Yeah. I'm just I'm
Speaker 3: just running through every time Jane through I can think
Speaker 3: of and I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, I think you're right. He's pretty I think
Speaker 2: he's got one in the mist. He's in the mist.
Speaker 1: I think nineteen twenty two. He's got a cap on maybe,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. That's a new mystery for us.
Speaker 1: Today we figured out how many doors are opened in
Speaker 1: Deep Blue Sea. I figured out how far the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I figured out how far the sharks have traveled. Jay
Speaker 1: figured out how deep blue and how much a time
Speaker 1: at sea it is. So now we've got to figure
Speaker 1: out the TJ hat how.
Speaker 3: Many catteries the sharks over the course of the film? Yeah,
Speaker 3: which this a a lot. Weighed so many.
Speaker 1: But it's four thousand pounds, right, Jay, So it's four
Speaker 1: thousand pounds. It didn't eat scars Guard, it didn't eat
Speaker 1: the hell his arm and the cigarette.
Speaker 3: I counted the calories of the cigarette.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it ate most of Scott's. It ate half
Speaker 1: of Russell Janice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, eight, most of Janneys. It's gonna eat all of Susan.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is a shark? Does the shark get that much room?
Speaker 5: Famous can? Actually, they tend to eat an abundance of
Speaker 5: calories if there's a chance they're not gonna eat for
Speaker 5: a long time, And they can do this to sort
Speaker 5: of fuel long distance migrations. It's like a great white
Speaker 5: shark could eat an entire seal or two, and then
Speaker 5: it can swim across an ocean not eat again for
Speaker 5: a few weeks. So I reckon these Jersey modified macros
Speaker 5: will have no problem eating. How made that was four
Speaker 5: or five humans and then swimming off to the deeper sea.
Speaker 2: We're not eating that many humans impede its jumping ability
Speaker 2: because we've we've long contested why don't the sharks just
Speaker 2: jump out of the quad.
Speaker 1: They could.
Speaker 2: We know that makos can jump pretty high, But if
Speaker 2: a mako has just eaten five people, would it be
Speaker 2: able to jump over a fence?
Speaker 3: Probably not.
Speaker 5: I think that's that's the next stage of Susan's research
Speaker 5: and making them smarter.
Speaker 3: Well, she's not gonna get there. I'm afraid.
Speaker 1: How are they gonna how are they digesting the skull?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: But like so many shark movies, heads get bitten off
Speaker 1: and then the sharks just like have them in their mouths,
Speaker 1: like what Like that just doesn't seem like I feel
Speaker 1: like sharks know it like a seal. They could probably
Speaker 1: have some good food on that, Like I've never understood,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna eat this dude's head and so many
Speaker 1: shark movies heads get decapitated, but like, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's much meat on that.
Speaker 2: There's a shark in this film with a number plate
Speaker 2: inside it. Yeah, it's not always thinking, it's not always
Speaker 2: eating food.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the tiger shark with the Jaws license plate. What
Speaker 1: is the digestive functions of a shark? I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: just want to know. I just I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: So again, that's going to vary, depaying on the species.
Speaker 5: We does so many sharks bes and we don't know
Speaker 5: what that digestion is like. But of the sharks when
Speaker 5: we have studied that, say, the like a shark, for example,
Speaker 5: they tend to be pretty slow.
Speaker 1: Okay, and that's such a I've asked you so many
Speaker 1: vague questions, but we've never had like a full on
Speaker 1: shark expert on our show. So I feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: I wait, okay, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Like the opening scene, they spill red wine in the
Speaker 2: water and the shark shows up. The shark obviously knows
Speaker 2: that's not blood because they have the great sense of smell.
Speaker 2: But would the shark be drawn to red wine? Would
Speaker 2: that happens on the variety.
Speaker 1: Of the cab like.
Speaker 5: If anybody's test I don't know if anybody's tested that
Speaker 5: it's a red wine. I don't think you'd get funding
Speaker 5: for it, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Sure, listen, pitch next next Shark week. I want you
Speaker 1: to have an I want to see you on I
Speaker 1: want to see you in Shark Week one time, doing
Speaker 1: like the red wine wine tastings for sharks to see
Speaker 1: if they get them, and then they'll just be an
Speaker 1: entire episode during Shark Week.
Speaker 5: What specific that would not be the dumbest we have
Speaker 5: ever done.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pour this pinot in the water and we're
Speaker 1: gonna see what happens, like like a bougie I don't know,
Speaker 1: nurse shark shows up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna some different different wines for different sharks. It's
Speaker 2: like Jurassic Park three with the different urines according different dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: Anyway, uh waited.
Speaker 2: And when Alan Grant finds the kid in Jurassic Park
Speaker 2: three and he's like, he uses the last of his
Speaker 2: t rex urine. Uh and and it like makes all
Speaker 2: the small ones disappear, but it calls one really big
Speaker 2: one with a thin it calls the spine the.
Speaker 3: Saul And yeah, I've seen this too many.
Speaker 4: Times or not enough?
Speaker 2: Who knows, the only other question I had about sharks
Speaker 2: was do they have a Are they vengeful?
Speaker 3: I don't know how you arks capable of revenge?
Speaker 1: Are they are they petty? Are they like that s b.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get.
Speaker 2: Them because the previous chapter, the previous chapter, the shark
Speaker 2: attacked attacked Preacher, And I had two schools of thought.
Speaker 2: What it's because he's wearing white and they're attracted to
Speaker 2: bright colors as opposed to Carter and Susan wearing black.
Speaker 2: And the other one was because they know that Preacher
Speaker 2: killed one of the other sharks and it's for revenge.
Speaker 2: That was That was my two schools of thought.
Speaker 5: So generally sharks don't there's not a lot of thought
Speaker 5: going on those heads. It's swim, swim and blood blooh
Speaker 5: and nom nom. But since we're talking about genetically modified
Speaker 5: super smart sharks, Yeah, why can't they have a grudge?
Speaker 5: They Preacher killed one killed one of their guys. And
Speaker 5: let's ask me if Jaws Force taught us anything, is
Speaker 5: that at least one fictional shark absolutely olds a grudge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, holds it across the whole ocean.
Speaker 1: It has a it's like a link. It's grudges. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's like the grudge.
Speaker 3: It's like the grudge.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I don't know, it's like a curse.
Speaker 1: And then it's attached to that family. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's a bounty hunter shark though, because the first shark
Speaker 1: was killed, there's another shark that might be there's a third.
Speaker 1: Are they relatives? And that they hire this shark from
Speaker 1: the fourth and the four? Who is it? Is it
Speaker 1: a cousin? Is it a is it a The logic
Speaker 1: blows my mind that this shark wants revenge, but it's
Speaker 1: three other great whites removed, so they the sharks in
Speaker 1: the ocean must be like pissed at this family. That's
Speaker 1: my only way I can think about this shark. I
Speaker 1: know it was like a voodoo curse in the book,
Speaker 1: in the original script, but they lost that for the movie.
Speaker 1: So then it's like, I like that.
Speaker 2: Then it's like the Monscuse and capitals. It's the Chark
Speaker 2: family versus a human family. That's I like that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah it is. We need a.
Speaker 2: Family crossing romance between a shock and the human to
Speaker 2: bring these two clans together, Jay right, It.
Speaker 1: Like the Nick Finn's I don't know, Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: logic of that movie. It's I don't know. I like
Speaker 1: to think that maybe they hired someone to go kill
Speaker 1: the family. The Shark family did because there's what makes
Speaker 1: sense to you? Who do you think that shark is
Speaker 1: and why does it want to kill that family?
Speaker 5: Well, I've always chosen aough, fun interpretation that it's actually
Speaker 5: just a what you call it a shock that can
Speaker 5: consistently resurrect itself. It's a magic shock that's just come
Speaker 5: back to life every movie and is just really gone
Speaker 5: out of as water family after being killed. That makes
Speaker 5: about as much sense as a shock family.
Speaker 1: So at the end of Jaws it pulls a terminator
Speaker 1: too and just kind of goes like comes back together.
Speaker 1: And then in Jaws three two it burns itself and
Speaker 1: blows up, and then it reforms. It's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: wait a little bit, like I got bad luck against
Speaker 1: this guy, and then it swims to Florida and attacks
Speaker 1: them when they're older, and then it dies again and
Speaker 1: it explodes, and then it comes back later in the.
Speaker 5: Third incarnating shock at least would explain why they get
Speaker 5: bigger in every movie.
Speaker 1: I like this plot.
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it at all.
Speaker 1: Because that's a would there ever be that many so
Speaker 1: off the coast in amity? Were there ever? One? Are
Speaker 1: the odds of two gigantic sharks? Of that size. I
Speaker 1: know that I read the book about I read the
Speaker 1: book about how you know what it was based on
Speaker 1: about how the sharks slam up the rivers on the
Speaker 1: East coast of America and like attacks some people and
Speaker 1: went pretty far up. It's like I read the like
Speaker 1: it was like a rogue great white that got separated
Speaker 1: and attacked people on the shore, and that kind of
Speaker 1: led to like a shark ferver and that kind of
Speaker 1: led the jaws eventually. But what are the odds of
Speaker 1: too get that many sharks attacking that coast that big?
Speaker 5: So they would be astronomically slim and generally are the biggest.
Speaker 5: Great white sharks are going to be extremely rare because
Speaker 5: that obviously involves them living for a very long time
Speaker 5: to their maximum possible size, and most sharks will have
Speaker 5: obviously died before reaching that maxism age. Now, in terms
Speaker 5: of like role sharks, that's not really something that's considered
Speaker 5: as scientific consensus anymore. That it wasn't the seventies when
Speaker 5: shars came out, But it's not really something that's given
Speaker 5: much scientific force. That being said, there has been scientific
Speaker 5: research suggesting that there are what I believe has been
Speaker 5: called problem INDI videos, and that is individual sharks that
Speaker 5: they believe our responsor for biting multiple people. And I
Speaker 5: believe this has been identified in tiger sharks, and I
Speaker 5: think both sharks.
Speaker 3: It's a few bad apples.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. I mean it makes sense. Like any there's
Speaker 1: always the jerk, and I guess those are the ones
Speaker 1: that go out there and every family has a pain
Speaker 1: in the butt. So it was like, you know, this
Speaker 1: is just Rick the tiger shark. That's just a real nemesis. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: any other any other thing you want to talk about
Speaker 1: in this chapter, j do we miss anything?
Speaker 3: I mean I mentioned the obstacle. Course, I really like.
Speaker 2: Cartridge Let's Go, and and just the speed at which
Speaker 2: he hops over that the obstacle when just runs off
Speaker 2: and then she very delicately is going down the ladder
Speaker 2: step by step and he's reached the other side of
Speaker 2: it before she's reached the bottom of her perfect which
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's very delicate in that scene. He's three
Speaker 1: quarters away across the aquatica, but she's saw on the ladder.
Speaker 2: And in when Stellham was attacked earlier in the film
Speaker 2: and they were in the elevator, and Susan has made
Speaker 2: it very clear she's not this kind of doctor. She
Speaker 2: has now moved past that she is tending to preach
Speaker 2: her she's dressing his wounds. She is accepted that in
Speaker 2: this scenario, she's the best they've got. So she's not
Speaker 2: complaining anymore. She's on board, she's part of the team.
Speaker 2: Just before she dies.
Speaker 1: That's why I like Susan. She We've said this many times,
Speaker 1: but she's not a secondary antagonist. She rolls with everyone
Speaker 1: as soon as everything starts going bad. I like that.
Speaker 1: Should they have saved the research in this without a better, better.
Speaker 5: Ending, I don't know about that. I think she would
Speaker 5: have probably faced some sort of disciplinary action for her
Speaker 5: ethical preachers. What if she had spoil Let's Tour Find
Speaker 5: the movie?
Speaker 2: Would they have been able to use the research legally
Speaker 2: if it had been obtained unethically.
Speaker 5: So, if it's been attained on ethically, you're probably gonna
Speaker 5: get into quite a lot bother from your institutions for that,
Speaker 5: and they probably would have stopped that research from being published.
Speaker 5: But in the event that they written, they wrote it
Speaker 5: up and submitted it to a Peer of views journal.
Speaker 5: Peer of Viewers would have probably breached that problem as well,
Speaker 5: and they would have had to write a statement about
Speaker 5: it in that paper. So it be a lot complicated
Speaker 5: process if it ever stood light a day, So chances
Speaker 5: are probably not.
Speaker 3: Even though curing outside this potentially, Yeah.
Speaker 1: When Carter and Preacher get back to the mainland, all
Speaker 1: the sharks are blown up. There's no there's no footage,
Speaker 1: it's just their word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the sharks at the cameras.
Speaker 1: Is anybody gonna believe that? Is anybody like when they
Speaker 1: speak to leading you know, experts in the field, Are
Speaker 1: they gonna be Is everyone just gonna think they're crazy?
Speaker 5: Uh? That would be my Yes, I'm not sure that's
Speaker 5: a scientific shark based question, but if you had to
Speaker 5: ask my thoughts in the matter, Yeah, I think they
Speaker 5: everyon would think they're insane. And I don't think Kater's
Speaker 5: alleged criminal background on the film would give him much
Speaker 5: help either.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, you've had this interesting yeah, pretty from the guests,
Speaker 2: so maybe he's not regarded as a.
Speaker 3: Believable witness either. Ninety nine.
Speaker 1: So they're just they're gonna have a lot of law issues.
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna be discredited. There's all these dead people,
Speaker 1: they're the last two people alive, and then they're like,
Speaker 1: yeah that smarts are sharks are made super smart? And
Speaker 1: then they took out the cameras. They're gonna have some
Speaker 1: law issues after this.
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah, most likely.
Speaker 2: So, Jack, did you have any any other thoughts from
Speaker 2: the whole film from real first experien watching the whole film?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 5: I think to summarize that, I think I would just
Speaker 5: say that I had a lot of fun watching this
Speaker 5: big grin from ear to ear, particularly in the second half.
Speaker 5: And I want to give a Specs shirt to how
Speaker 5: Preacher is the best and I'm glad he made it.
Speaker 3: Yes? Hell yeah. So where does it sit in your
Speaker 3: in your top four shark films? If anywhere?
Speaker 5: Okay, so shall I go from one to four?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 5: Because as I go down this list, you're going to
Speaker 5: get very different kinds of shark film, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: So instead of going for films where sharks appears or
Speaker 5: saying like a Finding Nemo, I decide I will go
Speaker 5: outright with films where sharks are the main focus and
Speaker 5: the shark is the reason you're watching it. So at
Speaker 5: number one, probably to the surprise of No. One, it's Jaws,
Speaker 5: Jaws is just an absolute classic and it's my all
Speaker 5: time favorite film, so it was always going to be
Speaker 5: number one. At number two, I have actually got Deep
Speaker 5: Blue c and a lot of the reason for that
Speaker 5: is one, it's a lot of fun, and two, as
Speaker 5: we were talking about early in the podcast, I found
Speaker 5: myself very taken by the premise that the sharks, well
Speaker 5: there isn't everyone are not necessarily the villains, and it's
Speaker 5: ultimately the questionable, ethically dubious science behind them that has
Speaker 5: caused this. And I thought that was a very fascinating,
Speaker 5: interesting topic that I suspect not a lot of people
Speaker 5: jumped on.
Speaker 1: No, I love it.
Speaker 5: So coming down number three will be the shark film
Speaker 5: everybody asked me about, and that is the meg and
Speaker 5: the reason for that being that it's silly fun, it's nonsense.
Speaker 5: It knows it's nonsense, and I'm just here for it
Speaker 5: perfect ye. And then finally number four, I'm going for
Speaker 5: a movie that is absent terrible. It is a movie
Speaker 5: called Shark Attack Free Megalton. It's truly truly awful, but
Speaker 5: it's one of the funniest films I've ever watched, and
Speaker 5: I never have a bad time watching it is, I
Speaker 5: love it.
Speaker 2: Like No one had picked Shark Attack three megal on
Speaker 2: their top four until Helen O'Hara was our guest four
Speaker 2: chapters ago, and since then three out of the four
Speaker 2: guests have picked on.
Speaker 3: Helen's uh.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I watched it recently. We killed it recently
Speaker 2: on the show. And yes, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: It's one of the better city, big stupid shark films.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: Excellent And yeah, six people have picked the meg and
Speaker 2: lots of people have picked people see and Jules, So
Speaker 2: that's fine. Yeah, you're you're you're in good company with
Speaker 2: your picks.
Speaker 1: Good loss, excellent, excellent and Attack three has jet skis
Speaker 1: been swallowed whole in one of the best lines in
Speaker 1: the history of cinema.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's what's not a lot about it? Every time
Speaker 5: I watch it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just silly great. So what would you say is
Speaker 3: your next biggest shark movie? Blind spot? What's what's next
Speaker 3: to your list to cross off? Now?
Speaker 5: Deeplys out, Well, you mentioned Shark Knight three D. Of
Speaker 5: anything you've described about that, I probably do have to
Speaker 5: watch that, But I guess if you want to take
Speaker 5: the easy and so I guess it's any sequel to
Speaker 5: deeply C.
Speaker 3: Two and three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two is fun, three is good. It's how we
Speaker 2: describe them, So take from that what you will.
Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for joining us, Jack, Do
Speaker 2: you have anything that you want to plug? Where can
Speaker 2: the listeners find you?
Speaker 5: Oh? Thank you very much having me, And if anybody
Speaker 5: listening wants to follow me, you can find me on
Speaker 5: Instagram and blue Sky at couper pay Leo, or you
Speaker 5: can visit my website at ww dot dotor jackiet acooper
Speaker 5: dot com if you want to hire me for any
Speaker 5: sort of shark based talk or anything like that, or
Speaker 5: just have me on your podcast.
Speaker 2: Awesome, excellent, and I'm sure we will again because we
Speaker 2: will have more shark questions when we cover different shark films,
Speaker 2: don't you worry. Yeah, we'll have well we're talking bull
Speaker 2: sharks and baby sharks for deep.
Speaker 3: C two at some point, so we'll have to have
Speaker 3: you back.
Speaker 1: For that incredibly broad questions that you possibly you can't
Speaker 1: possibly answer.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait until deep C three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wait for some of the questions at DEPC three.
Speaker 2: Can sharks recognizer situation? A great at marketing plugs?
Speaker 3: We're good listeners.
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Speaker 3: Next week. I'm pretty sure next week.
Speaker 2: This Wednesday is on the first of April, so we'll
Speaker 2: definitely be talking about Deep bluecy in some capacity. So
Speaker 2: come out next week for hear us talk about Deep
Speaker 2: bluecy next week. But as for this week, thank you
Speaker 2: once again to a wonderful guest, Jack Cooper. I have
Speaker 2: been Jake Lewis and Mark Halfmeyer, and we'll deep blue
Speaker 2: see you next week.