WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.560 Gary and Brad from Bell and Pollock in the studio 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:04.879 right now. I've already got a couple of questions, and 3 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:07.160 I got a guy who's calling back. So get on 4 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:10.160 board now because you can call three oh three seven 5 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:13.039 to one, three eighty five eighty five and speak directly 6 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:15.560 with Gary and Brad. And I would prefer that because 7 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:18.519 when you text a question it gets really difficult to 8 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:21.000 sort of parse out the reality of it. You don't 9 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.440 give enough details. They need more information. So I need 10 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:26.039 you to pick up the phone and call today three 11 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:29.800 oh three seven one three eighty five eighty five. Before that, 12 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:31.719 I want to give a something I normally don't do, 13 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:32.920 but this seems like a big deal. 14 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:34.880 Mandy. Just a shout out. 15 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.560 For Sergeant Robert Cruz, who was awarded the Soldier's Medal 16 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:41.000 today a Colorado Native station at Buckley. Proud to know him. 17 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:46.600 He exemplifies service and courage. Thanks no, thank you, Sergeant 18 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:49.600 Robert Cruz. Guys, welcome into the studio. Good to see 19 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:51.600 you again, Nice to see you, Nice. 20 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:51.840 To see you. 21 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:54.000 Thanks for having us once and again. Rod Ready to 22 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:55.719 go legal rock and roll. There we go. 23 00:00:56.159 --> 00:01:00.799 I have a question that may not have any real answer. Here, 24 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:03.200 but it has to do with road rage. We were 25 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:05.599 on the way home from the airport and two guys 26 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:11.359 on motorcycles stopped on a major road, stopped in front 27 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:13.879 of us, and then proceeded to get off their motorcycles 28 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:16.879 to try it. I don't know what my husband he 29 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:20.040 used an expletive and said, oh no, and then drove 30 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.159 between the motorcycles and did some damage to one of 31 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:24.400 the guy's bikes. Then we drove to the police station. 32 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:26.680 Police came out filed a report. They said, well, we 33 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.920 can't make a you know, this is a no fault. 34 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:30.680 Accident or whatever. 35 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:35.200 But in a road rage situation, what kind of stuff 36 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:37.120 do you guys deal with that? Are you seeing people 37 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.159 who have been harmed in a road rage situation and 38 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:40.040 what does that look like? 39 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:44.200 Yeah, I mean we have our first advice to everybody, friends, 40 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:47.640 families is avoid them. But you can't always avoid them 41 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:49.159 because here you are in the middle of it. So, 42 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:52.359 I mean, it's just like any action that there's liability 43 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.760 for that kind of driving, that kind of behavior, that 44 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:58.480 kind of conduct on behalf of the motorcycle riders and 45 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.280 so they have to pay the content question if they 46 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:03.400 cause injury, there's a big problem. What if you de 47 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.719 throne your bakes and some other car hits you, and 48 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:06.760 then you hit the other car. 49 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:08.680 A lot could have gone wrong. 50 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:11.120 That didn't go wrong, A lot could have gone terribly wrong. 51 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.879 It was the most absurd situation I've ever been involved 52 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:15.280 in my life and shocking. 53 00:02:15.759 --> 00:02:16.639 It's shocking. 54 00:02:16.719 --> 00:02:22.479 It changes from changes from negligence to an intentional torque, assault, battery, 55 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:28.639 reckless conduct, intentional conduct. So it can heighten the the 56 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.719 amount of claims you have against the people who have 57 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:34.919 caused road rage. If you're doing things like you were 58 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:39.479 talking about, you probably have a pass because you've you 59 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.800 were acting in self defense from what was happening, So 60 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:45.919 you're acting in self defense. What they caused, the injuries 61 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:50.240 they cause can heighten the degree of culpability they have. 62 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.360 Now you know there's a question that you have. Then 63 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:58.000 are you losing insurance coverage because there I'm sure they're 64 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:00.719 insurance coverage that they have to be right in their bikes. 65 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.080 Is is not going to cover them acting in road 66 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.240 rage style? Uh, they're going to insurance companies going to 67 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.520 say we're not covering that it was an intentional torque 68 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:11.639 and we're going to come back and say no, you have. 69 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:12.159 To cover it. 70 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:14.560 And that's one of the reasons you have coverage is 71 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.000 even if somebody loses their. 72 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:18.360 Cool on the road, because people lose their cool on 73 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:18.759 the road. 74 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.639 The most upsetting part about this is we literally drove 75 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:23.560 to the police station. One of the guys on the 76 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:25.919 motorcycles following us the entire time, but we drove to 77 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.639 the police station and was like, we're outside, can somebody 78 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:29.960 come out and file a report? 79 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.759 Doesn't occur to me, they now have our home address. 80 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:33.280 Yeah. 81 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:37.479 Yeah, that seems like something that should be mitigated in 82 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.400 certain situations, but yet it is not. 83 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.919 Well, think about it, Yeah, and think about this your situation, Manny. 84 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.439 So you have the motorcycles as road rage, and we 85 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.120 say this on our show all the time. We'll say, 86 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:50.800 right here, what if and I didn't wish it on anybody, 87 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.080 what if you somebody was injured? Yeah, what if somebody 88 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:56.080 hit you then and you hit another car and the 89 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:01.560 motorcycle driver usually doesn't have much, if any insurance, Right, 90 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:06.199 So then you fall back on your own you am you, 91 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.560 I am on your own car policy, which we have. 92 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:11.560 Yeah, because I listened to Gary and Bratt, possible that's 93 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:13.120 the perfect you do. 94 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:14.840 You know, you can hear it right now. 95 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:17.040 This motorcycle driver caused this, They did this, They did 96 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.480 that well, they don't have any insurance, and so that's what. 97 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.560 You do well, which you did was perfect. Yeah, I 98 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:22.040 mean my. 99 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:25.560 Husband handled it. I mean he's you know, as he said, 100 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:27.639 he said he was. He was very taken aback. He 101 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.600 had no idea. Just the whole thing happened very quickly. 102 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.639 It happened out of nowhere. It was like, what is 103 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.800 going on? And uh, you know, we. 104 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:37.600 Did what we had to do. 105 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:39.399 But I was like, what if because we stopped in 106 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.560 the middle of a major roadway, what if. 107 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:43.360 We'd gotten rear ended, we would have run. 108 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.079 Over both of them. Yeah, that's the thing that got me. 109 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:48.439 I was like, what are you doing? You're putting yourself 110 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:48.959 in danger? 111 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.959 His vetan, he's a veteran. His military training kicked in. 112 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:53.439 Here we go, Well, you do not. 113 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:56.720 Want to try and block a guy on the roadways 114 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.439 who was almost killed in an ambush and a humvey. 115 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.519 That's the guy to choose to do that too, he 116 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.759 responded thusly. So and you know, didn't hurt anybody, but 117 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:07.560 it was not a good scene. Okay, I got a 118 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.120 bunch of people lined up. Let's get to these questions. Mike, 119 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:12.360 you're on McGarry and Brad from Bell and Pollock. What's 120 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:12.839 your question. 121 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:20.800 Hey, I had ordinary bypass surgery last August and afterwards 122 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.120 I really struggled breathing and for a couple of months 123 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:26.399 couldn't figure out what it was. But anyway, come to 124 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:31.600 find out, my left diaphragm was left paralyzed from the surgery, 125 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:36.560 and consequently they my left long man is half collapsed 126 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.240 and I've had some procedures done to try and correct it, 127 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:44.000 but it's turns out its permanent condition. At this point, 128 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:51.439 it's quite debilitating. I've talked to a handful of law 129 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:58.600 offices and no one's no one's willing to take the case. 130 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:04.399 They and they don't really tell me why. And consequently, 131 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.639 all the doctors I've seen are quite surprised that this happened. 132 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:10.759 So this is not a commoner injury. 133 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:11.480 No. 134 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:13.839 First of all, I'm so sorry that you're going through this, 135 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:15.519 but we'll tell you why. 136 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:17.920 No, no law you'll take it. We'll tell you right now. 137 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.800 What they're looking for is a case where the doctors 138 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.240 can't come in the expert and the doctor's defending the 139 00:06:25.319 --> 00:06:28.199 doctor that did this. Where they can't come in and 140 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:32.519 say that's a natural risk that you assumed a risk, 141 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.319 it was disclosed to you, then can send form that's 142 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:37.959 a natural risk. I mean, it's unfortunate, sir, and it's 143 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.639 an unfortunate happening. We're sorry, Okay, we're sorry, but it's 144 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:44.680 a it's a risk that you inherited. We did nothing 145 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.319 wrong to cause it, and there's nothing we could have 146 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:48.120 done to stop it. 147 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:50.519 And that's why they won't take the case. Right there? 148 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:55.040 Is that I mean, is that clearly outlineders it in 149 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.319 that general bad things could happen to you that you 150 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:00.480 signed off in French. And if that's the case, then 151 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.959 can you ever get made whole if you have a 152 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:07.279 situation where you have an unusual injury from surgery. I mean, 153 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:09.399 it sounds like medical malpractice is just hard. 154 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.920 Well, that's one of the questions I have for the 155 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.240 caller is where you advise that this was a complication 156 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:20.720 or a potential complication of your coronary artery bypassed. Did 157 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:24.519 anybody come and say, hey, you can suffer these problems 158 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.519 and was any of that put in writing such that 159 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:29.879 you understood some of the risks that you were going through. 160 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:33.279 Because I agree with Gary, nobody wants to handle these 161 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.600 type of cases. They're very expensive. The costs are tremendous 162 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:38.680 because you have to get experts in the field who 163 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.199 will testify against their own doctors, their own brethren. And 164 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:46.920 at the same time, if there's any hint that you 165 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:51.240 or advised that this was a potential complication, then they say, well, 166 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.399 we're off the hook because now we advise you what 167 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:54.000 was happening. 168 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.000 The other thing is, the other thing is you have 169 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:58.399 to look at what facts you'd have to prove that 170 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.560 they did something wrong, because if they did nothing wrong 171 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:04.600 and it just happened, then you're into that great category. 172 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:06.600 But let me give you one more example, Nanda, you 173 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:08.879 just brought it up. We know, what can you ever do. 174 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:11.480 Let's say I'm a doctor. Let's I'm gonna give you 175 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.319 stomach surgery today, and I give you all the risks 176 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.319 and then I cut your spinal cord. Right, I mean, no, 177 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:22.639 that's a case. Right, there you go, that's not a risk. 178 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:23.959 You did it, and there you go. 179 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:27.839 So well, in this case, certainly they didn't. That was 180 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:31.600 not something they talked to me. About They said that 181 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:34.279 they were going to do it on pump, meeting on 182 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:37.240 a hardby pass, and they ended up not doing it 183 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:41.080 on pump. And I understand this is, like I say, 184 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.720 a very rare situation. They have to cause trauma to 185 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.960 that nerve to injure it. They can't, you know what 186 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.639 I mean, just going in there doesn't injure it. Something 187 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:57.879 has to happen to that nerd that they know is there, right, And. 188 00:08:58.080 --> 00:09:02.720 If you can hook up that they appropriately they're improperly 189 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.679 uh hit that nerve or contacted that nerve to cause 190 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:12.519 the diaphragm paralysis. Uh, then you've got something going for 191 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:16.519 you because that's not supposed to happen. But uh, you're 192 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.159 going to get a lot of doctors who are going 193 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.840 to say that's part of the risk. That's what happens 194 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.279 in these things. And we're dealing in such tight quarters 195 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.720 when we're trying to do a surgery like this, we're 196 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.000 facing situations. 197 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:29.159 That can happen to you. 198 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:36.600 Again again, you know, I think probably the main problem 199 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:40.000 I hear so far. It takes a lot examining it 200 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:41.600 a lot more, but the main problem I hear so 201 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:43.840 far is that nobody told you this could happen. 202 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:46.639 Uh, you know, well, it sounds to me like they 203 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:49.600 prepared him for one kind of surgery and then ended 204 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.200 up doing a different kind of surgery. What kind of 205 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.960 what kind of wiggle room do you have there? If any? 206 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.919 Okay, okay, that's a great question, because when you go 207 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.480 from what they default to, is you agreed that I 208 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:05.720 and look at you to consent form here, you agreed 209 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:07.240 that I would do this procedure and I could do 210 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.720 any related procedure that I and my professional medical judgment 211 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.080 being necessary at the time. And I don't need to 212 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:15.080 wake everybody up, and I don't need to call a 213 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:16.600 time out, and I just go for it. 214 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.399 That's what you that's what you face. I mean. 215 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:22.879 But you know, let's talk about disclosure one quick, one 216 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.360 quick moment. You say this wasn't disclosed to you. Probably true, 217 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.120 and they didn't bring it to your attention, probably strong 218 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:32.559 enough or even at all. But in some cases there's 219 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:35.919 our doctor's disclare disclose. Hey, I may injure your nerve. 220 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:37.720 And if I injure your nerve, you may have with 221 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.000 these problems. Here's how they they do it. By the way, 222 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.519 there's a nerve there and they're done, and they call 223 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.559 that a full disclosure by you know, by the way 224 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:53.000 that you have herder surgery. No, there's a major nerve 225 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:55.080 there and hernie surgery. By the way, there's a nerve. 226 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:55.679 Let's move on. 227 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:59.559 When you've met with these attorneys, have they had you 228 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.840 bring your medical records in, if they had anybody look 229 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:03.879 at them for you? Have they talked about an expert 230 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.720 to look at them, or having anybody review what the 231 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.399 doctor did and what's in the records? 232 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:11.320 Well, not really. 233 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.600 There were a couple of them wanted to get really 234 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.559 in depth about what happened, and in the end they 235 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:21.759 you know, they want all the information about who, where, why, which, 236 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:23.919 all the doctors I've seen, and all that kind of thing, 237 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:28.159 and got very specific. But on believe they looked at 238 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:29.200 any medical records. 239 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:32.559 I would know that, well, you'd have to sign the 240 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:36.000 documents to let them get the medical records. But you know, 241 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:39.759 they're obviously not wanting to go through that exercise to 242 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.240 try and find out if something happens. So they're relating 243 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:47.759 the diaphragm paralysis to the coronary bypass surgery. They're relating 244 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:51.200 it and saying that's one of the risks you take, whether 245 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:53.519 or not that's identified in the records, and whether or 246 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:57.120 not the records indicate that there was a negligent or 247 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:03.200 an inadvertent problem or cutting of the nerve, versus whether 248 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.799 or not it was something that happened out in negligence 249 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:08.600 or just happened as part of the surgery. 250 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.679 Sometimes the records are going to tell you that, well, 251 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:13.519 here's what I want to do for you. There's about 252 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:15.200 ten other things where we can tell you. Probably don't 253 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.480 have time I want. I'll talk to you off the air. 254 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:19.919 I'm gonna take you from beginning to in all the 255 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.440 hurdles I'm gonna explain to you so you understand and 256 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:25.639 you're comfortable in your own skin on this question. Because 257 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.519 because you've got lots of questions and we got more. 258 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:30.039 To tell you, we just can't cover it all there. 259 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:31.000 I'll do it for free. 260 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:33.480 Give them a call at the office three oh three 261 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.679 seven nine five fifty nine hundred and they will give 262 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:37.679 you the rest of the information. 263 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.240 That sucks. I mean, there's just no other way to 264 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:40.519 put it. 265 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:41.600 It just sucks. 266 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:43.559 I hope that you get. 267 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.679 Some kind of at least understanding and peace from a 268 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:48.720 further conversation with it, but I appreciate. 269 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:49.279 You making the call today. 270 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:51.600 Thanks Mandy, no problem. 271 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:51.960 Thank you. 272 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:52.799 Ron. 273 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.279 You were on with Gary and Brad for ask the Attorneys, 274 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:56.000 which got. 275 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:04.600 I'd got a situation. I had a couple that were 276 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:11.279 my roommates in my home and I haven't heard from 277 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:15.960 them in over a year. I haven't received any money 278 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.440 from them in about a year, and I want to 279 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:22.480 know what I can do to get rid of their stuff. 280 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.559 Oh so they're just gone and their stuff is still 281 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:26.120 in your house? 282 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:27.279 Yeah? 283 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:32.159 Oh jeez, Okay, and you're not worried. You're not worried 284 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:34.919 about mortgage payments or money from them. You just want 285 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:37.759 to be rid of them, right. Is that you got 286 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:38.159 that right? 287 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:39.480 Yeah? 288 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.039 I mean sometimes the people co sign on the lease, 289 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:44.799 then they disappear, and then the roommates stuck with the lease. 290 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:50.279 I thought there was absolutely no paperwork. It was a 291 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:57.320 friendship thing that went sour. And he's an over the 292 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:00.960 road truck driver. And I don't even know how to 293 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.879 get in touch with them at this point because the 294 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.200 last known address I have for them is mine. 295 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:12.480 Ah, so you have That's one of the first things 296 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:13.240 I was going to ask you. 297 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.240 Do you have any way to send contact to them. 298 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.440 But uh, even if you think it might fail, if 299 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.600 you have emails, if you have addresses, if you know 300 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:27.320 the company that the person worked for and the truck 301 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:30.440 driving company, and you can get some information statement out 302 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.039 to them that this is a matter that you're going 303 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:33.759 to eventually. 304 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.200 It sounds to me like en out disposing of the stuff. 305 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.799 And one of the things you're going to you need 306 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:42.519 to do right now is go take photos of everything 307 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:43.039 that's there. 308 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:44.559 You need a good inventory. 309 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.559 As a matter of fact, I would take photos of it, 310 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:49.279 and I would have somebody else with you to take 311 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:53.799 the inventory. So you're listing everything that's there, it having 312 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.039 been there that long, the value of it, it just keeps 313 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:58.759 going down and down and down. So you can figure 314 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.360 that when you're dealing with the value of your potential liability, 315 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.399 you need to identify what the value of these items are. 316 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:11.480 By having good photos, the judge can look at and 317 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.000 say these aren't worth much. Then you're going to want 318 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:18.279 to go to every source and avenue of how you 319 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:21.639 could make contact with these people. If you have email addresses, 320 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.200 if you have phone numbers, if you know where they work, 321 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:26.240 if you know if you send it to them through 322 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:31.480 their work, their last known place of employment, any relatives 323 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.399 they have. I'd be telling you to put together at 324 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.559 least ten different letters or ten letters to different people 325 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:43.240 saying you know, I've got your stuff. I'm going to 326 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.039 be getting rid of it. I'm going to get rid 327 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:46.919 of it. And give them six months if you need to. 328 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:49.120 I know that's an inconvenience for you to have that 329 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:50.279 stuff that much longer. 330 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.279 But give them plenty of notice. 331 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.240 Give it to every source you can, and if you 332 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.200 know some of their old other friends, if you know 333 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:02.240 some of their relative is, whoever you can, until they've 334 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:04.879 gotten till such and such time to get stuff or 335 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.159 else you're going to start disposing of it. 336 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:09.519 You got to listen to about real carefully. You must 337 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:14.120 take an inventory, and you must have photographs, because your 338 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.159 rule of thumb in this whole situation is whatever you 339 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.639 do be reasonable, be reasonable, and the notices you give 340 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:22.960 be reasonable. In the amount of time you give them 341 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.519 to move and to act on it, be reasonable and listen. 342 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.279 The pure law on abandonment of property is there has 343 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.799 to be a physical act of abandonment. I mean I 344 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:36.759 just leave and I physically abandon the property plus an 345 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:40.559 intent to abandon, And so how do you measure intent? 346 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.679 The longer it goes, the more my intent is. I'm 347 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:46.759 not coming back. But you want an inventory in pictures? 348 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:47.039 Why? 349 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.919 Because what if I'm one of your roommates and I 350 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:51.039 show up and I said, what do you do with 351 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:51.879 my diamond watch? 352 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:52.720 Yeah? 353 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:56.120 Wait a minute, I had a small, dull collection. What 354 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:56.919 did you do with that? 355 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:01.919 So you got it? You can prevail and it doesn't. 356 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.039 You can even put a notice in the newspaper, and 357 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:08.839 if you do, pick the cheapest newspapers paper nickel or 358 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:10.519 something like that, put to notice there. 359 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:11.920 Okay, all right. 360 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.720 And this is all just a cya in case they 361 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.279 come back for their stuff later, which they may or 362 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:17.839 may not do. 363 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.799 But this is all just to cover his behind. 364 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.160 It is so he doesn't have to worry about them 365 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.559 suing him later and lying about what he threw away. 366 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:25.839 Exactly all right. 367 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:28.759 To do, isya? 368 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:29.279 Yeah? 369 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:30.119 There you get one. 370 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.720 You've been given your cya marching orders, get cracking, get 371 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.119 your inventory going. I appreciate the call man. We've got 372 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:38.680 a couple of really good questions lined up. Ted has 373 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.559 a colonoscopy issue with his wife. I don't think he 374 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:43.799 has the issue. I think his wife has the issue, 375 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.559 and Colby has an AI question. I don't know if 376 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:48.640 you guys, you guys are doing any AI litigation. 377 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.160 Well, we're going them all around it, so let's see 378 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:51.839 what we can do with it. 379 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:53.559 I gotta tell you this, as a person on the 380 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:57.039 radio and I am a public person, I would love 381 00:17:57.240 --> 00:18:00.200 to be able to copyright and trademark my voice and 382 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.279 my likeness. But I don't think you can do that yet, 383 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.599 And with as much content as out there with my 384 00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:08.119 voice on it, people could. I mean, I don't know 385 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:10.279 why they'd want to. I live a pretty boring life. 386 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:12.240 I don't know what'd be going there, but I think 387 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:14.240 that's going to be an area of litigation that somebody's 388 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:15.920 going to have to pay attention too soon. We're going 389 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:17.720 to take a quick time out where Gary and Brad 390 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:19.519 will be right back with your phone calls if you 391 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:21.640 want to jump on board with your question. Three oh 392 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.720 three seven one, three eighty five eighty five. We will 393 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:28.279 be back after this. I have Ted, who has been 394 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:32.039 patiently waiting. Ted, tell me about your wife's colonoscopy problems. 395 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:38.559 Okay, last September, my wife had a routine colonoscopy and 396 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.839 it was all good. They said, you're cleaning. You'll never 397 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:45.279 have to have another one. About a month later, she 398 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.200 went I took her to the hospital because she was delirious. 399 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.960 Actually in the ambulance. Turned out a diverticula had leaked 400 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:58.799 poop into her pelvis area. She had a absessed three 401 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.079