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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of December sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost season one, episode twenty four and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five Exodus Part two. Now, we discovered that what

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<v Speaker 1>was Exodus Part two in the United States in first

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<v Speaker 1>run was Exodus Parts two and three in other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the world and also now and maybe on DVD

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<v Speaker 1>and on streaming. So if you have only watched part

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<v Speaker 1>two and Netflix says there's a part three, go watch

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<v Speaker 1>that before you listen to it, because we watched the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing. Yes, we watched. We watched what was originally

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<v Speaker 1>you know, originalists, what was originally Part two, what ABC

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<v Speaker 1>showed as Part two in a two hour season finale. Easy,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it. And when Catherine texted me and said,

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<v Speaker 1>it says there's a part three. Do I need the

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<v Speaker 1>Part three? I said, how did the part you watch ended?

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<v Speaker 1>And she told me and I said, nope, not it.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Get there.

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<v Speaker 1>If it didn't end with Jack and Locke looking down, down, down,

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<v Speaker 1>down down into the hatch, it ain't the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the season. So we watched that whole thing and much

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<v Speaker 1>much drama, much excite, meant much action, all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>things going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and before.

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<v Speaker 1>We get into the serious stuff of this episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to make sure we give a shout out

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<v Speaker 1>to actor Daniel Roebuck, who in a few, just a

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<v Speaker 1>few episodes, made ours a guy you don't exactly hate,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not upset that he blows himself up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And he had to handle a lot of dialogue there

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<v Speaker 1>at the end that I think was the writer department

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<v Speaker 1>at Lost snapping back at people on the internet. Ah,

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<v Speaker 1>who were saying, what about all these other people? Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we ever hear from these other people? So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear from in the mouth. Put those words in the

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<v Speaker 1>mouth of character and a character and then blew him up.

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<v Speaker 2>I immediately killed him right off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, So would you? I mean I knew it was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you just like jump out of your skin when

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<v Speaker 1>that happened?

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<v Speaker 2>I did jump, Yes, I mean I figured he had

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<v Speaker 2>it coming for sure, but I didn't know exactly when.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just so beautifully random in the middle of us.

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<v Speaker 1>He's talking and talking and dogging a double.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then he's just a series of chunks that

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<v Speaker 2>are strewn off.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll have a little bit of arst on them. Yes, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so so excellent work by that guy, because he took

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<v Speaker 1>he took a small part and made it just perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. And like you said about you know, the writers

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<v Speaker 2>clapping back. I mean, his whole his whole speech to

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<v Speaker 2>Hurley was about how like no one likes, no one

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<v Speaker 2>will let him sit with them at lunch, like he's

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<v Speaker 2>just so real, you know whiner.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, Yes, that was delightful, a delightful little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>comic relief. It's odd to say comic relief when the

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<v Speaker 1>guy ends up blowing himself up with dynamite, But still,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we can call that comic relief.

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<v Speaker 2>So and now following that, so it's the remaining dynamite

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<v Speaker 2>team is Jack, Locke, Kate and Hurley, And then they

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<v Speaker 2>have this debate about who's going to carry these sticks

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<v Speaker 2>of dynamite because obviously it's very, very dangerous to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the kind of thing that could just blow you

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<v Speaker 2>Yet yeah, and of course we know they're all going

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought, like Daniel Roebook, they have contract.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, why doesn't Hurley carry them? Like he knows

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<v Speaker 2>he's indestructible, right, that's true, Like he should have. I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Jack wouldn't have let him, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he could easily have carried them all and he knew

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<v Speaker 2>he would be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, but he would have to explain that. And

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<v Speaker 1>and just like Locke is having to explain, Oh, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, you know, when I got here or when

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<v Speaker 1>I got on the plane, I couldn't walk. You remember

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<v Speaker 1>seeing me. Nobody's gonna believe that either. No, but I

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<v Speaker 1>did think that the bit where they drew straws and

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<v Speaker 1>Kate drew a straw so she had to carry the dynamite,

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<v Speaker 1>and she thought she was carrying the dynamite until she

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<v Speaker 1>realized that Jack took the dynamite and let her think

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<v Speaker 1>she had it. And that was such a dad thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you tell the kid, oh, sure you can

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<v Speaker 1>do this super dangerous thing, and then you do everything

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<v Speaker 1>you can to make sure it is not at all dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he said when she was complaining about it,

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<v Speaker 1>whining about it, really and honey, he took the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that could blow her, get over yourself. But when she's

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<v Speaker 1>complaining about it, Jack says, exasperatedly, everybody wants me to

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<v Speaker 1>be the leader until I make a decision they don't like. Honey,

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<v Speaker 1>let me give you a hug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, been there.

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<v Speaker 1>Man. He's starting to be over it, I think a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. But he's still going to pull Lock out

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<v Speaker 1>of the the hole that the monster is sucking him down.

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<v Speaker 1>At some point, you can just let these people go,

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<v Speaker 1>a problem for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, he's a principle. We know he's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna die, right, I mean, although Boone Boone.

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<v Speaker 1>Died, that's right, Yes, poor Boone in Sommer Alder needs

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to his agents. What the heck I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, we did see Boone in these in this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was flashback and knows this. It was at

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<v Speaker 1>the end when they were showing everybody getting on the

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<v Speaker 1>plane and he handed handed Shannon her Inhaler with a

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<v Speaker 1>very smug look on his face. Right, but uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he could have just let Log go. Maybe Locke's right

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<v Speaker 1>and the island just wanted to test him and everything

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<v Speaker 1>would be a okay. Or maybe that guy would be

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<v Speaker 1>out of your hair. Yeah, yeah, that guy who got

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<v Speaker 1>Boon killed could be out of your hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jack has to save everybody. We've established this, right, right, buddy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Yeah, it's a dad. You know, dad has

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of everybody, even the kid who's being

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<v Speaker 1>a brat. Dad has to take care of him, even

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<v Speaker 1>the one you wish you could leave at the gas

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<v Speaker 1>station and just drive on the rest of the trip.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta go back and get him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, in that problem child, Yep, yep, yep. Yep. So well,

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<v Speaker 2>so a lot happened. We did get the raft. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the raft did encounter another boat, but it did indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>turns out it wasn't a boat that they really wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, Michael was right. They shouldn't have sent up

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<v Speaker 1>the flare, although then they would be on the open

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<v Speaker 1>sea forever and just die slowly. So right, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what out when the others whispered in the

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<v Speaker 1>jungle to Rousseau that they were coming for the boy,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't mean Aaron.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't mean the baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you guys, there's another boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that they could have warned the rafters if they

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<v Speaker 1>had figured it out, but you know, maybe could have

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<v Speaker 1>thought there. Yeah. Yeah, so so this there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>they could defend against that attack. No, even Sawyer with

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<v Speaker 1>his loan gun.

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<v Speaker 2>So this season ends with Michael bobbing in the water

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<v Speaker 2>screaming for Walt, Yes, son war.

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<v Speaker 1>This becomes a recurring, uh recurring joke about loss right.

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<v Speaker 2>Sawyer and Jin are also in the water, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>because the raft has basically been blown up, like you first,

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<v Speaker 2>and Walt is on a boat speeding away from them.

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<v Speaker 1>Since with nefarious looking characters, yes, so so that's what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when you launched a raft. Yeah, did we mention

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<v Speaker 1>the bat raft? Seemed like kind of a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was thinking when when Jinn and Michael were

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<v Speaker 1>having that warm moment about the watch, yeah, like this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff's all gonna be in the water and like, find me.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys up right? Is that a water pi? Right time piece?

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<v Speaker 1>But parenting wise, I noticed that we had two parents

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<v Speaker 1>in this show who were very ambivalent about being parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Claire wanted to put her baby up for adoption. Michael

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to his mom, can you please take this kid?

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<v Speaker 1>And not you know, I don't want to have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with this, right, And both their kids got taken away,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were very upset about it. As it turned out,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, stop for a minute. Neither of you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to deal with your kid, right, Maybe there's a plus. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>at least out.

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<v Speaker 2>Claire did get her baby back, and she did get her.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby back, and uh, you know, the camera just lovingly

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<v Speaker 1>grazes by the image of a Madonna statuette Charlie's feet. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>although you know what if you're in the jungle with

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<v Speaker 1>a cut on your head and somebody pours gunpower on

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<v Speaker 1>lights and on fire. I think maybe you're entitled to fix.

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<v Speaker 2>A little dose of heroine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've earned that, bad boy. Oh gosh, oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>which which parenting wise reminds me of, you know, improvised

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<v Speaker 1>parenting first aid. Yeah, that you have to What do

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<v Speaker 1>I have in my purse that I can put on

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<v Speaker 1>this cut? Is this tis shoe clean? Well, you're all

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<v Speaker 1>spit on it clean enough. I used to keep I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've mentioned here before. I used to keep alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>swabs in my per because my son was constantly tearing

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of skin off his fingers and I would have to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, swab it and bandate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I never did have to pour gunpowder on it and

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<v Speaker 1>light it up with a lighter, but you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he would have stopped doing it. Yeah. Here, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>something new today, Honey, Let's see how this goes. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta match? Oh boy, yikes, I mean he did ask, sayid,

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<v Speaker 1>what did y'all do on the battlefield?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what you get, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Sci says, this is gonna hurt, Like you think.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that wasn't really something they did in the battlefield, Sai.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just really tired of Charlie. Yeah, right, like this

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<v Speaker 1>bleep on fire, He'll leave me alone.

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<v Speaker 2>And also now I believe the makeup department is going

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<v Speaker 2>to have to live with that for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the Oh yes, he's the rest of the of Charlie's existence.

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<v Speaker 1>Island is weird, and people heal very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>If you yeah, yeah, yeah, or you went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Right that removes gunpowder that's been like baked into your skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, all right, so what else we had? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, much more of one that we had before.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's creepy, Yeah, I mean, and I knew that

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<v Speaker 2>was like a lost thing like the Polar Bearer, ight, like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there it is. There, it is smoke Monster, got it? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, just as they are going to blow the

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<v Speaker 1>it but the numbers? And you know, he freaks out.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course nobody's paying any attention to him, right anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>But certainly, as with everything else, if you had said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>They would have blown it up anyways. Yes, but holy cow,

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<v Speaker 1>he's already mentioned was he said something about twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>It's like and Locke thinks that they've all been called

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<v Speaker 1>to this island for a reason. Yes, what reason is

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<v Speaker 1>that numbers are calling them in? Let's see, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a guy took twenty three thousand dollars, so you are

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three with her exactly. But okay, I don't know, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's weird, But what are the odds that those exact

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<v Speaker 2>What are the odds?

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<v Speaker 1>What are the odds? Yeah, yeah, that's what the writers

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<v Speaker 1>should have been asking themselves. All these coincidences were putting

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<v Speaker 1>in here. We are gonna have to make sense of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this was at the point at which they

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, now we have to connect all these dots

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<v Speaker 1>and clean off this wall and act like we knew

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<v Speaker 1>what we were doing all along.

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<v Speaker 2>Much like I don't, let's tie that back to parenting, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you act like we know what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, just you know, doing whatever game to my mind

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and then I realized, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to make a sense of this. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I meant to do that, and uh, here's why.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And you know we've talked about how like once

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<v Speaker 2>you do something once, yes, your kids are going to

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<v Speaker 2>to call you out if you don't. Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't follow through.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did, Oh my did they anyway? God bless them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just they're just really going for it. Engraved on

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<v Speaker 1>the hatch? Are the numbers?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this the only hatch? Do they all have them?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't ask we have a PARENTINGI was a sawyer making

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<v Speaker 1>a full throated argument in favor of corporal punishment banking

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<v Speaker 1>your kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, and that that age old argument I turned out fine, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, because Michael said, did your did your father

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<v Speaker 1>spank you? And he said he never got a chance to.

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<v Speaker 1>He shot himself, right, just like a good way to

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<v Speaker 1>shut down an argument, man, Yeah, will lokay? Then right?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, question mark?

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<v Speaker 1>But never mind, it doesn't matter because Wald gets kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 2>In you know, well it's not in the position.

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<v Speaker 1>Very thereafter y and Michael says, thank goodness, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do with that kid. Hey, let's head

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<v Speaker 1>back to the island.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess they're gonna be swimming.

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<v Speaker 1>They might be I don't know, just like drifting on

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of pie and hitting different areas of the island

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<v Speaker 1>then where they were before Big Island. Okay, possible. They

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<v Speaker 1>might wash up on a beach. It's not their beach,

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<v Speaker 1>and what could they find there? Who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess we'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>We will. We will not have to wait all summer.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell, I know we are lucky that way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good, Yes they did. We should mention that extra hot.

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<v Speaker 1>Great had an episode where people were doing thought experiments

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<v Speaker 1>on different shows and one person was assigned to pick

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<v Speaker 1>his ten favorite lost characters, pick his favorite lost character,

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<v Speaker 1>and do it in song. And he did like nine

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<v Speaker 1>very short snippets and then a full song about Locke

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<v Speaker 1>that used the man of faith man of science dichotomy

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<v Speaker 1>that I thought started next season, but it was mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode that Locke's a man of faith, right

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<v Speaker 1>jacksonman of science? That will be beaten to death for

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<v Speaker 1>the next anyway, with song in the show notes, because

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<v Speaker 1>it is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so good, oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>And the little ones, the little snippets before it were

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<v Speaker 1>funny too. Yeah, and they were spoilery for this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But since we've watched it now it's safe, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't go blowing up arts. And I think there was

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<v Speaker 1>one that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there was.

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<v Speaker 1>So very funny. Yes, the art that came springing out

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<v Speaker 1>of this show still springing out of this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, oh my, So we got a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>fate some things. Their son thinks they're being punished by fate.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody else doesn't believe in destiny. I think walk thinks

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<v Speaker 1>they've all been chosen for us, you know, not just

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<v Speaker 1>not just your garden variety plane crash.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, then again, it's possible this is all just

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<v Speaker 1>a massive series of coincidences. They'll all die there eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>and that'll be the end of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a spoiler, but maybe a spoiler, who knows, could

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<v Speaker 1>be anyway, So next week we will continue with season two,

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<v Speaker 1>episode one of Lost, which is indeed called Man of

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<v Speaker 1>science man of faith. So do we think that Jack

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<v Speaker 1>and Locke will keep arguing based on their particular world views?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we think that Locke will be the Locke problem? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we do indeed, and we will see you back here

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow to discuss shrinking in which people are also bobbing

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