Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of December sixteenth,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Lost season one, episode twenty four and
Speaker 1: twenty five Exodus Part two. Now, we discovered that what
Speaker 1: was Exodus Part two in the United States in first
Speaker 1: run was Exodus Parts two and three in other parts
Speaker 1: of the world and also now and maybe on DVD
Speaker 1: and on streaming. So if you have only watched part
Speaker 1: two and Netflix says there's a part three, go watch
Speaker 1: that before you listen to it, because we watched the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Yes, we watched. We watched what was originally
Speaker 1: you know, originalists, what was originally Part two, what ABC
Speaker 1: showed as Part two in a two hour season finale. Easy,
Speaker 1: I remember it. And when Catherine texted me and said,
Speaker 1: it says there's a part three. Do I need the
Speaker 1: Part three? I said, how did the part you watch ended?
Speaker 1: And she told me and I said, nope, not it.
Speaker 1: Watch the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Get there.
Speaker 1: If it didn't end with Jack and Locke looking down, down, down,
Speaker 1: down down into the hatch, it ain't the end of
Speaker 1: the season. So we watched that whole thing and much
Speaker 1: much drama, much excite, meant much action, all sorts of
Speaker 1: things going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and before.
Speaker 1: We get into the serious stuff of this episode, I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure we give a shout out
Speaker 1: to actor Daniel Roebuck, who in a few, just a
Speaker 1: few episodes, made ours a guy you don't exactly hate,
Speaker 1: but you're not upset that he blows himself up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he had to handle a lot of dialogue there
Speaker 1: at the end that I think was the writer department
Speaker 1: at Lost snapping back at people on the internet. Ah,
Speaker 1: who were saying, what about all these other people? Why
Speaker 1: don't we ever hear from these other people? So we'll
Speaker 1: hear from in the mouth. Put those words in the
Speaker 1: mouth of character and a character and then blew him up.
Speaker 2: I immediately killed him right off.
Speaker 1: Yep, So would you? I mean I knew it was coming.
Speaker 1: Did you just like jump out of your skin when
Speaker 1: that happened?
Speaker 2: I did jump, Yes, I mean I figured he had
Speaker 2: it coming for sure, but I didn't know exactly when.
Speaker 1: It was just so beautifully random in the middle of us.
Speaker 1: He's talking and talking and dogging a double.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he's just a series of chunks that
Speaker 2: are strewn off.
Speaker 1: He'll have a little bit of arst on them. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: so so excellent work by that guy, because he took
Speaker 1: he took a small part and made it just perfect.
Speaker 2: Yes. And like you said about you know, the writers
Speaker 2: clapping back. I mean, his whole his whole speech to
Speaker 2: Hurley was about how like no one likes, no one
Speaker 2: will let him sit with them at lunch, like he's
Speaker 2: just so real, you know whiner.
Speaker 1: Basically, Yes, that was delightful, a delightful little bit of
Speaker 1: comic relief. It's odd to say comic relief when the
Speaker 1: guy ends up blowing himself up with dynamite, But still,
Speaker 1: I don't think we can call that comic relief.
Speaker 2: So and now following that, so it's the remaining dynamite
Speaker 2: team is Jack, Locke, Kate and Hurley, And then they
Speaker 2: have this debate about who's going to carry these sticks
Speaker 2: of dynamite because obviously it's very, very dangerous to do so.
Speaker 1: It's the kind of thing that could just blow you
Speaker 1: up instantly.
Speaker 2: Yet yeah, and of course we know they're all going
Speaker 2: to be fine because they are principal characters.
Speaker 1: But I thought, like Daniel Roebook, they have contract.
Speaker 2: I thought, why doesn't Hurley carry them? Like he knows
Speaker 2: he's indestructible, right, that's true, Like he should have. I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Jack wouldn't have let him, but you know,
Speaker 2: he could easily have carried them all and he knew
Speaker 2: he would be fine.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but he would have to explain that. And
Speaker 1: and just like Locke is having to explain, Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, you know, when I got here or when
Speaker 1: I got on the plane, I couldn't walk. You remember
Speaker 1: seeing me. Nobody's gonna believe that either. No, but I
Speaker 1: did think that the bit where they drew straws and
Speaker 1: Kate drew a straw so she had to carry the dynamite,
Speaker 1: and she thought she was carrying the dynamite until she
Speaker 1: realized that Jack took the dynamite and let her think
Speaker 1: she had it. And that was such a dad thing.
Speaker 1: It's like you tell the kid, oh, sure you can
Speaker 1: do this super dangerous thing, and then you do everything
Speaker 1: you can to make sure it is not at all dangerous.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And then he said when she was complaining about it,
Speaker 1: whining about it, really and honey, he took the thing
Speaker 1: that could blow her, get over yourself. But when she's
Speaker 1: complaining about it, Jack says, exasperatedly, everybody wants me to
Speaker 1: be the leader until I make a decision they don't like. Honey,
Speaker 1: let me give you a hug.
Speaker 2: Yep, been there.
Speaker 1: Man. He's starting to be over it, I think a
Speaker 1: little bit. But he's still going to pull Lock out
Speaker 1: of the the hole that the monster is sucking him down.
Speaker 1: At some point, you can just let these people go,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, he wants to be let go. He's
Speaker 1: a problem for you.
Speaker 2: And like I said, he's a principle. We know he's
Speaker 2: not gonna die, right, I mean, although Boone Boone.
Speaker 1: Died, that's right, Yes, poor Boone in Sommer Alder needs
Speaker 1: to talk to his agents. What the heck I.
Speaker 2: Mean, we did see Boone in these in this episode,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was flashback and knows this. It was at
Speaker 1: the end when they were showing everybody getting on the
Speaker 1: plane and he handed handed Shannon her Inhaler with a
Speaker 1: very smug look on his face. Right, but uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he could have just let Log go. Maybe Locke's right
Speaker 1: and the island just wanted to test him and everything
Speaker 1: would be a okay. Or maybe that guy would be
Speaker 1: out of your hair. Yeah, yeah, that guy who got
Speaker 1: Boon killed could be out of your hair.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: But Jack has to save everybody. We've established this, right, right, buddy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, it's a dad. You know, dad has
Speaker 1: to take care of everybody, even the kid who's being
Speaker 1: a brat. Dad has to take care of him, even
Speaker 1: the one you wish you could leave at the gas
Speaker 1: station and just drive on the rest of the trip.
Speaker 1: You gotta go back and get him.
Speaker 2: Yep, in that problem child, Yep, yep, yep. Yep. So well,
Speaker 2: so a lot happened. We did get the raft. Uh,
Speaker 2: the raft did encounter another boat, but it did indeed,
Speaker 2: turns out it wasn't a boat that they really wanted to.
Speaker 1: No, No, Michael was right. They shouldn't have sent up
Speaker 1: the flare, although then they would be on the open
Speaker 1: sea forever and just die slowly. So right, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what out when the others whispered in the
Speaker 1: jungle to Rousseau that they were coming for the boy,
Speaker 1: it didn't mean Aaron.
Speaker 2: They didn't mean the baby.
Speaker 1: Hey, you guys, there's another boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not that they could have warned the rafters if they
Speaker 1: had figured it out, but you know, maybe could have
Speaker 1: thought there. Yeah. Yeah, so so this there's no way
Speaker 1: they could defend against that attack. No, even Sawyer with
Speaker 1: his loan gun.
Speaker 2: So this season ends with Michael bobbing in the water
Speaker 2: screaming for Walt, Yes, son war.
Speaker 1: This becomes a recurring, uh recurring joke about loss right.
Speaker 2: Sawyer and Jin are also in the water, I think,
Speaker 2: because the raft has basically been blown up, like you first,
Speaker 2: and Walt is on a boat speeding away from them.
Speaker 1: Since with nefarious looking characters, yes, so so that's what
Speaker 1: happens when you launched a raft. Yeah, did we mention
Speaker 1: the bat raft? Seemed like kind of a bad idea.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking when when Jinn and Michael were
Speaker 1: having that warm moment about the watch, yeah, like this
Speaker 1: stuff's all gonna be in the water and like, find me.
Speaker 2: Guys up right? Is that a water pi? Right time piece?
Speaker 1: But parenting wise, I noticed that we had two parents
Speaker 1: in this show who were very ambivalent about being parents.
Speaker 1: Claire wanted to put her baby up for adoption. Michael
Speaker 1: was talking to his mom, can you please take this kid?
Speaker 1: And not you know, I don't want to have to
Speaker 1: deal with this, right, And both their kids got taken away,
Speaker 1: and they were very upset about it. As it turned out,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, stop for a minute. Neither of you
Speaker 1: wanted to deal with your kid, right, Maybe there's a plus. Well,
Speaker 1: at least out.
Speaker 2: Claire did get her baby back, and she did get her.
Speaker 1: Baby back, and uh, you know, the camera just lovingly
Speaker 1: grazes by the image of a Madonna statuette Charlie's feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: although you know what if you're in the jungle with
Speaker 1: a cut on your head and somebody pours gunpower on
Speaker 1: lights and on fire. I think maybe you're entitled to fix.
Speaker 2: A little dose of heroine.
Speaker 1: I think you've earned that, bad boy. Oh gosh, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: which which parenting wise reminds me of, you know, improvised
Speaker 1: parenting first aid. Yeah, that you have to What do
Speaker 1: I have in my purse that I can put on
Speaker 1: this cut? Is this tis shoe clean? Well, you're all
Speaker 1: spit on it clean enough. I used to keep I
Speaker 1: think I've mentioned here before. I used to keep alcohol
Speaker 1: swabs in my per because my son was constantly tearing
Speaker 1: pieces of skin off his fingers and I would have to,
Speaker 1: you know, swab it and bandate it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I never did have to pour gunpowder on it and
Speaker 1: light it up with a lighter, but you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he would have stopped doing it. Yeah. Here, I'm trying
Speaker 1: something new today, Honey, Let's see how this goes. You
Speaker 1: gotta match? Oh boy, yikes, I mean he did ask, sayid,
Speaker 1: what did y'all do on the battlefield?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So that's what you get, buddy.
Speaker 2: Sci says, this is gonna hurt, Like you think.
Speaker 1: Maybe that wasn't really something they did in the battlefield, Sai.
Speaker 1: It's just really tired of Charlie. Yeah, right, like this
Speaker 1: bleep on fire, He'll leave me alone.
Speaker 2: And also now I believe the makeup department is going
Speaker 2: to have to live with that for the rest of
Speaker 2: the Oh yes, he's the rest of the of Charlie's existence.
Speaker 1: Island is weird, and people heal very quickly.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: If you yeah, yeah, yeah, or you went to the
Speaker 1: spaw and they had some magical healing gel.
Speaker 2: Right that removes gunpowder that's been like baked into your skin.
Speaker 2: Oh my, all right, so what else we had? I mean,
Speaker 2: I think this is the first time you kind of
Speaker 2: get an actual glimpse of the smoke Monster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, much more of one that we had before.
Speaker 2: Right, it's creepy, Yeah, I mean, and I knew that
Speaker 2: was like a lost thing like the Polar Bearer, ight, like, okay,
Speaker 2: there it is. There, it is smoke Monster, got it? Yes?
Speaker 1: And uh, just as they are going to blow the
Speaker 1: lid off the hatch, what does her le see on
Speaker 1: it but the numbers? And you know, he freaks out.
Speaker 1: But of course nobody's paying any attention to him, right anyway,
Speaker 1: But certainly, as with everything else, if you had said, hey,
Speaker 1: these numbers are cursed. How about we not blow this up?
Speaker 1: They would have blown it up anyways. Yes, but holy cow,
Speaker 1: he's already mentioned was he said something about twenty three
Speaker 1: and Kate recognized it or something? Yeah, he was reciting
Speaker 1: the numbers as he was walking for something, and she reck.
Speaker 1: It's like and Locke thinks that they've all been called
Speaker 1: to this island for a reason. Yes, what reason is
Speaker 1: that numbers are calling them in? Let's see, you have
Speaker 1: a guy took twenty three thousand dollars, so you are
Speaker 1: twenty three with her exactly. But okay, I don't know, right,
Speaker 1: it's weird, But what are the odds that those exact
Speaker 1: numbers would be on the hatch?
Speaker 2: What are the odds?
Speaker 1: What are the odds? Yeah, yeah, that's what the writers
Speaker 1: should have been asking themselves. All these coincidences were putting
Speaker 1: in here. We are gonna have to make sense of them.
Speaker 1: I think this was at the point at which they
Speaker 1: were just gleefully throwing things at the wall before they realized,
Speaker 1: oh man, now we have to connect all these dots
Speaker 1: and clean off this wall and act like we knew
Speaker 1: what we were doing all along.
Speaker 2: Much like I don't, let's tie that back to parenting, right,
Speaker 2: and you act like we know what we're doing.
Speaker 1: Sure, just you know, doing whatever game to my mind
Speaker 1: at the time, and then I realized, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I have to make a sense of this. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I meant to do that, and uh, here's why.
Speaker 2: Right, And you know we've talked about how like once
Speaker 2: you do something once, yes, your kids are going to
Speaker 2: remember it and you're going to have to they're going
Speaker 2: to call you out if you don't. Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: don't follow through.
Speaker 1: And they did, Oh my did they anyway? God bless them.
Speaker 1: They're just they're just really going for it. Engraved on
Speaker 1: the hatch? Are the numbers?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is this the only hatch? Do they all have them?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Don't ask we have a PARENTINGI was a sawyer making
Speaker 1: a full throated argument in favor of corporal punishment banking
Speaker 1: your kid.
Speaker 2: Yep, and that that age old argument I turned out fine, which.
Speaker 1: Well no, because Michael said, did your did your father
Speaker 1: spank you? And he said he never got a chance to.
Speaker 1: He shot himself, right, just like a good way to
Speaker 1: shut down an argument, man, Yeah, will lokay? Then right?
Speaker 2: Sorry, question mark?
Speaker 1: But never mind, it doesn't matter because Wald gets kidnapped.
Speaker 2: In you know, well it's not in the position.
Speaker 1: Very thereafter y and Michael says, thank goodness, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do with that kid. Hey, let's head
Speaker 1: back to the island.
Speaker 2: And I guess they're gonna be swimming.
Speaker 1: They might be I don't know, just like drifting on
Speaker 1: pieces of pie and hitting different areas of the island
Speaker 1: then where they were before Big Island. Okay, possible. They
Speaker 1: might wash up on a beach. It's not their beach,
Speaker 1: and what could they find there? Who knows?
Speaker 2: Well, I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1: We will. We will not have to wait all summer.
Speaker 2: Hell, I know we are lucky that way.
Speaker 1: That's good, Yes they did. We should mention that extra hot.
Speaker 1: Great had an episode where people were doing thought experiments
Speaker 1: on different shows and one person was assigned to pick
Speaker 1: his ten favorite lost characters, pick his favorite lost character,
Speaker 1: and do it in song. And he did like nine
Speaker 1: very short snippets and then a full song about Locke
Speaker 1: that used the man of faith man of science dichotomy
Speaker 1: that I thought started next season, but it was mentioned
Speaker 1: in this episode that Locke's a man of faith, right
Speaker 1: jacksonman of science? That will be beaten to death for
Speaker 1: the next anyway, with song in the show notes, because
Speaker 1: it is hilarious.
Speaker 2: It is so good, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: And the little ones, the little snippets before it were
Speaker 1: funny too. Yeah, and they were spoilery for this episode.
Speaker 1: But since we've watched it now it's safe, you know,
Speaker 1: don't go blowing up arts. And I think there was
Speaker 1: one that happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, there was.
Speaker 1: So very funny. Yes, the art that came springing out
Speaker 1: of this show still springing out of this show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh my, So we got a lot about
Speaker 1: fate some things. Their son thinks they're being punished by fate.
Speaker 1: Somebody else doesn't believe in destiny. I think walk thinks
Speaker 1: they've all been chosen for us, you know, not just
Speaker 1: not just your garden variety plane crash.
Speaker 2: No, but.
Speaker 1: You know, then again, it's possible this is all just
Speaker 1: a massive series of coincidences. They'll all die there eventually,
Speaker 1: and that'll be the end of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Not a spoiler, but maybe a spoiler, who knows, could
Speaker 1: be anyway, So next week we will continue with season two,
Speaker 1: episode one of Lost, which is indeed called Man of
Speaker 1: science man of faith. So do we think that Jack
Speaker 1: and Locke will keep arguing based on their particular world views?
Speaker 1: Do we think that Locke will be the Locke problem? Yes,
Speaker 1: we do indeed, and we will see you back here
Speaker 1: tomorrow to discuss shrinking in which people are also bobbing
Speaker 1: in the water. Thank you for listening. You can find
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