Speaker 1: Huh, I think that I'd sum up our sports weekend
Speaker 1: as as like, so remember on the last show, it
Speaker 1: may have been after we wrapped Landon whenever I said,
Speaker 1: what's more likely Kansas loses or the Chiefs lose? And
Speaker 1: at no point in that dialogue did any of us
Speaker 1: mention the fact that both could happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, and uh, that is a bit bit naive,
Speaker 2: a bit curb your enthusiasm of us, if you will,
Speaker 2: to believe that that was incapable of happening.
Speaker 1: But they brought this back at least I don't know
Speaker 1: if you heard it. It was loud. I heard it
Speaker 1: was hard to miss you and I talked about going
Speaker 1: out there for that game. Glad we didn't, but I.
Speaker 2: Talked about going out there. You sent one text in
Speaker 2: the chat was like you interested in going Landing and
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe how much of the prices SpongeBob.
Speaker 2: Five minutes later when I searched the prices and saw
Speaker 2: they were like one hundred and forty dollars and made
Speaker 2: it quickly Nope, and we did not. But I am
Speaker 2: very glad we did not waste like six hours of
Speaker 2: our lives to watch that in person.
Speaker 1: Well, the reason I thought tickets may be feasible is
Speaker 1: because I looked up that case. They had five home
Speaker 1: games left and you could buy one ticket to each
Speaker 1: game for like one hundred and fifty total dollars. I
Speaker 1: did not know that one hundred and ten, one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty of it was this one game which they
Speaker 1: they did their job, They found the correct game to
Speaker 1: hike the price up to because just a disaster of
Speaker 1: a performance in Manhattan three years in a row. Did
Speaker 1: you even have a beard the last time Kansas went
Speaker 1: out there?
Speaker 2: Yes, I still did, which is how long I've had it.
Speaker 2: I've had it six years now, six years of a beard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can say all you want about that Marcus
Speaker 1: Garrett Lousey team, that team won would ease out there.
Speaker 2: But they still sucked and I will still say what
Speaker 2: I want about them.
Speaker 1: Sad, sad losses to be had this weekend, and we
Speaker 1: also the third loss that we took this weekend is
Speaker 1: our co host Cam isn't here. He's in Michigan doing job,
Speaker 1: interview work. He's doing important stuff while the two of
Speaker 1: us kissing a girl probably rightly, yeah, which I did
Speaker 1: tell him. That is you can have fun doing that.
Speaker 1: But sir, have you had the level of fun we're
Speaker 1: gonna have when we recap Kansas beating Colorado by seven
Speaker 1: points at Allen Fieldhouse here in a couple days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd much rather do that than kiss a girl.
Speaker 2: You have that on record, That's true.
Speaker 1: The biggest win that I had, the biggest win that
Speaker 1: I had this weekend was convincing my eighty one year
Speaker 1: old grandma that we don't need to go to the
Speaker 1: Kansas Colorado game in a snowstorm tomorrow night. It's like, Grandma,
Speaker 1: this would be a really good one to see, Like,
Speaker 1: if anybody else would like to go for the first time,
Speaker 1: we don't need to go watch them beat Colorado by
Speaker 1: eleven points on a snowy Tuesday night at Allen Field House.
Speaker 1: And she was like, yeah, you're probably right. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: give these tickets to some people I work with. And
Speaker 1: that was the best part of my sports weekend by
Speaker 1: a lot. One that began with Kansas State making threes
Speaker 1: and one that ended with Patrick Mahomes getting sacked a
Speaker 1: thousand times. And here we are to talk about everything
Speaker 1: that happened, mainly with the Jayhawks. This is inside the paint.
Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Landreth, I'm Landing Fields.
Speaker 1: Has there been a show without Cam? Yeah, we've had
Speaker 1: a couple. I guess not very many of them, though
Speaker 1: should be a little more.
Speaker 2: He's gotten a very high attendance rate early.
Speaker 1: We all as as you're right, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of like whenever, you know, whenever the
Speaker 1: Chiefs get off to a bad start in most of
Speaker 1: their games. It's kind of like whenever another team takes
Speaker 1: a three to nothing lead and they flex a little
Speaker 1: bit like, yeah, that a lot of teams do that.
Speaker 1: But we'll see, Cam, We'll see how you're still kicking
Speaker 1: it in six years, whenever you've completely stopped caring, not saying.
Speaker 1: I've noticed other people on similar trajectories on this show
Speaker 1: that care less and less about the basketball as the
Speaker 1: season go as their years go by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, Nick really fell off by the end.
Speaker 1: And that's what you're talking about, right, All right, let's
Speaker 1: talk about this stupid ass game, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just get it over with. It was his seven losses,
Speaker 1: and it's it's the super Bowl weekend and it's already
Speaker 1: seven Okay, fine, Kansas State eighty one number sixteen Kansas seventy.
Speaker 1: Credit to God, I gotta find out who it was.
Speaker 1: Someone on Twitter whenever it was halftime and things were
Speaker 1: not going well, somebody said, let me see that I
Speaker 1: just got back from the future. This is what at
Speaker 1: Rock Chalk Blog says. The Jayhawks lose eighty two to seventy.
Speaker 1: They're sixteen and seven. We're all gonna kill ourselves. And
Speaker 1: Bill self used to care, but now he lives in
Speaker 1: a mansion, so he doesn't and that wound up being
Speaker 1: really really closed.
Speaker 2: If you will.
Speaker 1: Another loss in Manhattan, they're they're just just tell me
Speaker 1: what happened. I gotta get my water bottle. It's in
Speaker 1: the kitchen. You tell me what happened, and like, I'll
Speaker 1: pretend that it's news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I will. After a competitive back and forth
Speaker 2: first ten minutes, Case State took a lead they would
Speaker 2: never give up. Kansas got it down to six inside
Speaker 2: the last ten seconds of the first half, only for
Speaker 2: David and Gasan, who torched Kansas all day, so this
Speaker 2: was not out of character to hit a step back
Speaker 2: buzzer beating two to go into the break. The Jayhawks
Speaker 2: would never trail by less than five the rest of
Speaker 2: the way, and even that was only in the first
Speaker 2: thirty seconds. The second half, their trails by as much
Speaker 2: as fifteen in a game that was never really a
Speaker 2: game for the majority of that second half as KSE
Speaker 2: State mostly cruises to their third straight win.
Speaker 1: In Bramlage case, State's the hottest team in the country
Speaker 1: right now. Like they they very well, playing well, they
Speaker 1: may play themselves back in new consideration. They have to
Speaker 1: keep winning and I think their biggest test is Arizona
Speaker 1: coming up on Tuesday night, because boy, that was a
Speaker 1: big performance against Kansas. We'll see about a letdown, right
Speaker 1: If they them out focused and take down Arizona home,
Speaker 1: then I think you really do have to start talking
Speaker 1: about them as at large team. But what the box
Speaker 1: score shows is that Kansas went on the road as
Speaker 1: a five point favorite and lost to a team with
Speaker 1: a five hundred record, And now you're at seven and
Speaker 1: five in conference play and things are just I mean,
Speaker 1: the league race has been over since since Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 1: failed to corral an inbounds pass that Zekemeo threw in
Speaker 1: the first overtime against Houston. That's when that dream died.
Speaker 1: They're still probably going to finish in the top four
Speaker 1: because the schedule breaks their way mathematically, it's probably more
Speaker 1: likely than not. But man, I see that game. Here's
Speaker 1: my thoughts on this one. That's the sort of game
Speaker 1: that when any other Kansas team loses like that, we go, okay,
Speaker 1: they dropped the turd. They're allowed to do that. You
Speaker 1: look down at their record. They're ten and two at
Speaker 1: this point. That's where losing the Baylor in Houston games
Speaker 1: and improbable fashion burned you. Because if you had won
Speaker 1: those two games and then you're going into this one,
Speaker 1: what would that be Instead of seven and four, you're
Speaker 1: nine and two, and you'll lose the Case State and
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, we played we shot the ball pretty well,
Speaker 1: and they just played really great twenty games. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have some stinkers when the other team just plays pretty well.
Speaker 1: Case State is a very talented roster. But you can't
Speaker 1: do that when you're seven and five because they dug
Speaker 1: themselves such a hole in the record department by losing
Speaker 1: improbably to Houston and West Virginia and Baylor. These are
Speaker 1: the games you kind of have to win. They are
Speaker 1: difficult road games in the conference against an environment that
Speaker 1: is riled up to beat you. But if you want
Speaker 1: to make your way onto that two or three seed
Speaker 1: line and be the top ten team that everybody thought
Speaker 1: they would be, you have to win more of these
Speaker 1: coin flips than you did in the first half. And
Speaker 1: they looked like the same team we've seen the last
Speaker 1: two years, uncompetitive in the second half in a road loss.
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, I definitely agree, and I think to your point,
Speaker 2: in a lot of previous Kansas years, this is very
Speaker 2: much a game, especially against Case State, where even if
Speaker 2: they lose, the exact same game for the most part. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think you're exactly right, Ryan, that you would go, Hey,
Speaker 2: they lose these games. Sometimes you take a weird loss,
Speaker 2: sometimes it doesn't look good. Sometimes it looks really bad
Speaker 2: and you lose. But when that's essentially the fifth time
Speaker 2: that's happened in a given season, there's a lot more
Speaker 2: questions and a lot more problems. You feel a lot
Speaker 2: worse about it than you do otherwise. Yeah, obviously some
Speaker 2: flukiness in there. The West Virginia game, you played a
Speaker 2: really bad first half, but there's still a lot that
Speaker 2: happened in the second half where Kansas arguably still very
Speaker 2: much could have won that game. Same with the Houston game. Obviously, Baylor,
Speaker 2: you laid by twenty. Iowa state you're in that game
Speaker 2: for the majority of it until the end. A lot
Speaker 2: has to go wrong to lose these games. But I
Speaker 2: do think that is a problem with this Kansas team
Speaker 2: is that, frankly, they are prone to a lot of
Speaker 2: bad things happening in a game, and they are prone
Speaker 2: to execution problems on both ends at times that put
Speaker 2: you in situations like this where you are going to
Speaker 2: be a little more prone to lose games in multiple
Speaker 2: different fashions with the way Kansas plays, And again I
Speaker 2: am very much of the opinion they're also a very
Speaker 2: high ceiling and the last two games have really shown that.
Speaker 2: I always state they looked great. This game, they looked
Speaker 2: really not great, And I think that's just who this
Speaker 2: team is.
Speaker 1: And I want to make a comparison that I alluded
Speaker 1: to in the notes here. I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: after the loss. I think this team has a very
Speaker 1: similar trajectory with the twenty twenty twenty twenty one team,
Speaker 1: which is by some measurements, the worst Kansas team of
Speaker 1: any of bill selves twenty three years here. But I
Speaker 1: think that you look at that team. Let me get there.
Speaker 1: Let me get their page up here so I can
Speaker 1: make sure I get the stats correctly. That was a
Speaker 1: team that began in the top six in the preseason pulls.
Speaker 1: They had a high ceiling. They were projected to at
Speaker 1: least be right there with the eventual national champion Baylor
Speaker 1: team to win the league. They started off well enough.
Speaker 1: That team started ten to two, just like this year's
Speaker 1: team started what nine and two entering conference play. January
Speaker 1: was really rough for that twenty two one team. They
Speaker 1: went from not They went from ten to two to
Speaker 1: twelve and seven. So there's a stretch in there wherever
Speaker 1: they went two and five in January and everybody said, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the worst Kansas team. They fell out of
Speaker 1: the top twenty five. I said in this very chair
Speaker 1: that that Kansas team would have a very good February.
Speaker 1: I predicted on the beginning of February that they would
Speaker 1: go seven and two in the month of February against
Speaker 1: a much softer schedule. They got two games against Iowa
Speaker 1: State in February that didn't win a league game that year.
Speaker 1: They got two games against k State, who was awful
Speaker 1: that year. We saw the writing on the wall for
Speaker 1: them to rack up some wins pull their seat up
Speaker 1: to a three. And even though the problems on the
Speaker 1: team never got fixed, which you saw in the round
Speaker 1: of thirty two blowout loss to USC, they were able
Speaker 1: to get some wins and pad their numbers a little bit.
Speaker 1: I suspect you're going to see this team on a
Speaker 1: very similar trajectory. Kansas is right now sixteen and seven.
Speaker 1: They've gone from nine to two to sixteen and seven,
Speaker 1: so they are just seven and five in their last
Speaker 1: twelve games. Now, just like that year, the schedule opens up. Colorado,
Speaker 1: Utah BYU, Oklahoma State and Colorado are the next five games.
Speaker 1: None of them are ranked, none of them have above
Speaker 1: five hundred league records. Kansas should win at minimum four,
Speaker 1: if not all, five of those games, and then two
Speaker 1: of their final three are all three of their last
Speaker 1: week and a half games are very tough. Texas second home,
Speaker 1: Houston on the road, and Arizona at home, but you
Speaker 1: still have to give them the edge, and at least
Speaker 1: two of those games because they're playing at home. I
Speaker 1: think that Kansas will lose one more game the rest
Speaker 1: of the season and finish eight to two in their
Speaker 1: final ten Big Twelve games. However, even if that is
Speaker 1: the case, if Kansas is able to finish, what would
Speaker 1: that be There are eight league games left. I'll stan
Speaker 1: they go seven to one in those games. That gets
Speaker 1: them to twenty three and eight. Are you gonna feel
Speaker 1: that much better? I think the team's issues are gonna
Speaker 1: be the same. We just saw them collect some wins
Speaker 1: against the bottom level teams in the Big Twelve, and
Speaker 1: much like the twenty one team did, they got a
Speaker 1: nice signature win against Baylor on their home floor on
Speaker 1: Senior Day. I think this team gets in another one
Speaker 1: like that against Arizona and or Texas Tech. That's kind
Speaker 1: of the similar trajectory I see. I think this team's
Speaker 1: record is about to get a lot sexier. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna win games. I think they're gonna score more points,
Speaker 1: and I think their defense is gonna rise because they're
Speaker 1: gonna take out some steam on Colorado and Oklahoma state
Speaker 1: level teams. But if that happens, is there much this
Speaker 1: team can do save for winning at Houston if they
Speaker 1: get to fourteen and six? Is there anything that this
Speaker 1: team can do that will make you think going into
Speaker 1: postseason play that they have figured out their problems. I
Speaker 1: don't think there is, which is why I think this
Speaker 1: is the very similar trajectory to that twenty twenty one team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a good case. You hadn't told
Speaker 2: me what that the comparison was. That makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense. I like that comp Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 2: I think seven to one is very possible. Maybe I
Speaker 2: would go six and two. I'm slightly more of a pessimist.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that you named is the one
Speaker 2: thing that could change my mind and make me think
Speaker 2: they're figuring something out, and that's beat Houston on the road.
Speaker 2: Even that, of course, is dependent on contexts. That's saying
Speaker 2: that they've only lost at most one game of the
Speaker 2: rest of them going into that Houston game. Even that, though,
Speaker 2: is a dependent on that. And b again, I mean
Speaker 2: Kansas has a high enough ceiling to win games like that.
Speaker 2: That's a very very difficult game to win, and Houston
Speaker 2: is very, very good. But I reasonably speaking, I think
Speaker 2: you're right. I think, you know, obviously they could beat
Speaker 2: every team one hundred and twenty to forty, and you know,
Speaker 2: then I would think they're really good. But reasonably I
Speaker 2: think you're right. I don't know if there really is
Speaker 2: anything in these last few games, say for beating Houston
Speaker 2: that really makes will change my mind, that will make
Speaker 2: me consider this team differently than what they are right now,
Speaker 2: which again is a very high ceiling, low floor team
Speaker 2: that has issues on both ends of the floor, that
Speaker 2: when they're playing well, can beat anyone in the country,
Speaker 2: and when they're playing poorly, can lose to anyone in
Speaker 2: this conference.
Speaker 1: And I think that this game, I don't know how
Speaker 1: much it was going to set them back, but you know, now,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they've lost three straight road games
Speaker 1: by double digits. Whenever we thought maybe that had gotten better.
Speaker 1: They had won the road games at Cincinnati, who didn't
Speaker 1: wind up being We thought they were better at the
Speaker 1: time than they wound up being. They did get a
Speaker 1: nice road win at TCU, but TCU isn't very good,
Speaker 1: and they wait somebody else on the road who else?
Speaker 1: They beat uc by a thousand points, and you see,
Speaker 1: very good, right, Yeah, So, but we kind of were optimistic.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was and I do still think this team
Speaker 1: is a lot better than last year. Certainly, if anything else,
Speaker 1: based on the ceiling, I think that this team has
Speaker 1: enough quality wins to be had on their schedule. We
Speaker 1: gotta think they're gonna beat at least one of if
Speaker 1: not both Texas Tech and Arizona at home. They're gonna
Speaker 1: collect some more big twelve wins, which is still I mean,
Speaker 1: these are still top one hundred keen Pom teams. These
Speaker 1: are still borderline quad one if at worst quad two
Speaker 1: wins on the road if they get them, so, they're
Speaker 1: going to stack it. And then they're probably gonna get
Speaker 1: a couple in Kansas City unless everybody gets hurt unlike
Speaker 1: last year, just because they'll have such a good home
Speaker 1: court advantage there, they will get enough wins where I
Speaker 1: don't think, barring a collapse, their seed is falling below
Speaker 1: a four. However, I don't We've seen that. Last year
Speaker 1: they were a four and they got lambasted by Gonzaga
Speaker 1: in the round of thirty two game them getting too of.
Speaker 2: Course, that is not the first time that has happened,
Speaker 2: even if they got to a three. They got to
Speaker 2: a three with that aforementioned twenty one team right and
Speaker 2: also got absolutely annihilated by a USC squad. And before
Speaker 2: that in eighteen nineteen they were four seed and got
Speaker 2: absolutely annihilated by a very talented Auburn team as a five.
Speaker 2: So there's really no guarantee. I mean, the times that
Speaker 2: this has happened, they've gotten their doors blown off by
Speaker 2: whoever they've played in the round of thirty two.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, the round of thirty two. Our confidence in
Speaker 1: this team's ability to surge above the round of thirty
Speaker 1: two the checkpoint that they've only cleared once since twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and I know of those years didn't have a tournament,
Speaker 1: but still only one of the last four. In one
Speaker 1: of last five NCAA tournaments they cleared the round of
Speaker 1: thirty two. Point. I don't think there's just about anything
Speaker 1: that this team can do over the last what eight
Speaker 1: regular season games and then some big twelve tournament games,
Speaker 1: barring going like undefeated or like twelve and one, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's much of anything that they can do
Speaker 1: that's gonna make us think, oh, yeah, they have it
Speaker 1: figured out. The woes are corrected, this team is going
Speaker 1: to be the one that gets to the Elite eight.
Speaker 1: Still think they could. They have a very high ceiling,
Speaker 1: They have a win overdue. It might be the best
Speaker 1: team in the country. They obviously got the win over
Speaker 1: Iowa State, who's very good, and they crushed Iowa.
Speaker 2: States, so they should have beat Houston.
Speaker 1: Yes they they for all intensive purposes, had Houston beat
Speaker 1: multiple times and blew it multiple times. So we'll talk
Speaker 1: more about this game. But I didn't watch this game
Speaker 1: and think, Okay, now I'm out. I watch that game
Speaker 1: and think, yeah, these are the sort of game that
Speaker 1: even the best Kansas teams lose two, three, four times
Speaker 1: a year just because the Big twelve is tough. Everybody
Speaker 1: wants to beat Kansas. It's a loud environment and they
Speaker 1: the other team made a lot of shots like that.
Speaker 1: That's the sort of game that everybody loses. Duke just
Speaker 1: lost the game like this. The Clemson Auburn just lost
Speaker 1: the game like this to Florida. I'll be it at home,
Speaker 1: like everybody has these.
Speaker 2: Okay, but Florida is the freaking sixth ranked team in
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Maybe maybe Duke and Clemson is the better analogy.
Speaker 1: It's it's a team that it was a it was
Speaker 1: a decent Power five team. Probably, Yeah, is an okay
Speaker 1: Power five team that beat them by a handful of
Speaker 1: points because they had a really good night shooting the ball,
Speaker 1: like every team goes through this every year, but it's
Speaker 1: it's more of the West Virginia's and the Baylors and
Speaker 1: the Houston games that I think have kind of spelled
Speaker 1: this team's trajectory out more than the k State and
Speaker 1: the Iowa State loss. At least that's the way I
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I didn't watch this game and
Speaker 2: think they're cooked, or think their season is over or
Speaker 2: anything like that, but it did can affirmed to me
Speaker 2: what I already what I have been thinking of Kansas,
Speaker 2: which I've articulated many times. I don't need to do
Speaker 2: that again here, but it confirmed to me both the
Speaker 2: pros and cons of the team, and the last two
Speaker 2: games have really done that. Well.
Speaker 1: Well blast the sandstorm because they definitely deserve it. However,
Speaker 1: it is worth noting that Kansas has now lost three
Speaker 1: straight times at Kansas State, which had not happened in
Speaker 1: over forty years. You have to go back to the
Speaker 1: early nineteen eighties to find the last time that at
Speaker 1: Kansas State beat Kansas three times in a row at home,
Speaker 1: and they are five and seven Kansas is in the
Speaker 1: last twelve games there. Overall, Kansas won. I believe twenty
Speaker 1: three of the first twenty four games at Bramwich Coliseum,
Speaker 1: and now since twenty and eleven, beginning with the Jacob
Speaker 1: Polland game, they are five for twelve at k State.
Speaker 1: And I do think look, people look at that stat
Speaker 1: and they think, Okay, that's that's Kansas getting worse. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. Kansas has been as good as any in
Speaker 1: college basketball in that twelve year stretch. This is Kansas
Speaker 1: State going from absolutely abysmal Kansas football level, bad in
Speaker 1: the in the in the horrible years that we saw
Speaker 1: with Kansas football. Case State was that bad in basketball,
Speaker 1: and now they built the fan base up and I
Speaker 1: Ella's helped them. They found more competent coaches. They were
Speaker 1: always due to get more than once every quarter century,
Speaker 1: but they're definitely getting They're getting more than half at
Speaker 1: this point. It's kind of balancing itself back out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, So should be hop into the players.
Speaker 1: Here, Let's do it. Let's talk all about this all right.
Speaker 2: Well, let's start off with Hunter Dickinson. He had a
Speaker 2: good game. Twenty one points, nine rebounds, four sists, eight
Speaker 2: of sixteen shooting in thirty one minutes. Really nice statistical
Speaker 2: game again for Hunter, but I think Case State did
Speaker 2: a really nice job of exploiting his specific weaknesses on defense.
Speaker 2: On the last show we were talking about, I was
Speaker 2: talking about the Hunter Dickinson plays really good defense at times.
Speaker 2: Please hear that. I do think he is very capable
Speaker 2: of being a good defender. But I think Case did
Speaker 2: exactly what he is bad at, and that is defending
Speaker 2: in space and having to make decisions between the ball
Speaker 2: and the rim, having to close space and watch backside play.
Speaker 2: He's not good at that. And Case State put him
Speaker 2: in a lot of scenarios where someone they got a mismatch,
Speaker 2: they got a ball screen, they put Hunter Dickinson between
Speaker 2: the ball and the rim with a player coming at
Speaker 2: him and a player behind him, and they torched him
Speaker 2: over and over again in that not one hunters fall. Obviously,
Speaker 2: it's still team defense, but they did get a lot
Speaker 2: of those matchups and they got a lot of layups
Speaker 2: from it. But he was still very good on the
Speaker 2: offensive end, and he did not have a bad game.
Speaker 2: I think he just got a little bit exploited.
Speaker 1: Hunter Dickinson basically had the same game that he had
Speaker 1: against Missouri when he had nineteen fourteen, four and four,
Speaker 1: and Kansas got largely handled on the road. Certainly, you're
Speaker 1: not going to get back after that game and say
Speaker 1: they lost because Hunter Dickinson sucks. At least that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be it, because no, Hunter Dickinson was fine. He as
Speaker 1: you said, had twenty one to nine and he made
Speaker 1: a three. Is first in conference play. Like statistically, he
Speaker 1: was fine. This is a game that goes worse if
Speaker 1: he doesn't play. However, I think that it really does
Speaker 1: point to the fact that this team, I don't think
Speaker 1: is set up around Hunter Dickinson's strengths. And it really
Speaker 1: surprises me the more we watch this that Bill's self
Speaker 1: didn't think that more in the offseason. I think what
Speaker 1: Bill self thought after watching last year is we got
Speaker 1: three good players that are all coming back. They're super seniors, Harris,
Speaker 1: Adams and Dickinson. These are all three good players. And
Speaker 1: that's true. They are all three good players. My two
Speaker 1: in my three sucked once Kevin mccullor got hurt. I'll
Speaker 1: find a competent two. I'll find a competent three. Add
Speaker 1: some bench depth, and we'll be doing just fine because
Speaker 1: I have five good basketball players on the court. At once,
Speaker 1: and Hunter Dickinson has shown that despite being a very
Speaker 1: good offensive player, that he is much more. He needs
Speaker 1: to be catered to a little bit than most elite
Speaker 1: All American players in the sense that like a Jani
Speaker 1: Broom or an RJ. Davis, you know, it'll matter who
Speaker 1: you put around. Those guys, they're gonna go out and
Speaker 1: they can carry a team any night of the week.
Speaker 1: Hunter Dickinson needs a stretch for next to him to
Speaker 1: clear some space for him to go to work. Hunter
Speaker 1: Dickinson needs some shooters to pass the ball to to
Speaker 1: take advantage of that. He's a very good passer. He
Speaker 1: really hasn't had that, and Kansas isn't winning games like
Speaker 1: they should be. I don't look at this era and
Speaker 1: think Hunter Dickinson is the reason Kansas isn't losing games.
Speaker 1: I do think that they have. I think they failed
Speaker 1: him a little bit by not putting the best positions around,
Speaker 1: but putting him in the best position that he could
Speaker 1: maximumly exploit. However, this is a sort of game that
Speaker 1: you look to your senior All America walking bucket to
Speaker 1: kind of carry you back a little bit. And it
Speaker 1: was another example of how we really haven't seen that
Speaker 1: got a lot of stats whenever the game was more
Speaker 1: or less decided. But yeah, it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: sit here and say they lost this game because of
Speaker 1: Hunter Dickinson. But I for a guy that scores this much,
Speaker 1: we have a lot fewer examples than I thought we
Speaker 1: would say of games where we could point and say
Speaker 1: they won that game because of Hunter Dickinson.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's well said. I think that's
Speaker 2: kind of been the point I've trying to articulate. Trying
Speaker 2: to English is a very difficult language, even if you've
Speaker 2: spoken at your entire life. Apparently That's what I've been
Speaker 2: trying to say about Hunter Dickinson for this season is
Speaker 2: that he kind of what I said earlier in the year,
Speaker 2: that he's the floor setter, not the ceiling razor so
Speaker 2: much of this team. Not that he's incapable of winning
Speaker 2: games for the team. He has done that, or he
Speaker 2: has been the player to carry them to a win,
Speaker 2: but he is very much a guy that is at
Speaker 2: least in concept in actuality in the way that this
Speaker 2: has gone down. Look at how these games have played
Speaker 2: themselves out, how they have happened. Is that Hunter Dickinson
Speaker 2: when he's off the floor, especially last year, not as
Speaker 2: much this year. But if Hunter Dickinson's having bad games,
Speaker 2: the floor can drop out for Kansas, or if Hunter Dickinson,
Speaker 2: you know, towards ACL tomorrow, this season would be heading
Speaker 2: down a probably a bad path, though Flory might offer
Speaker 2: a little more of a respite than what they had
Speaker 2: last season. But he sets a really, really nice floor
Speaker 2: because he's going to go out and put up league numbers.
Speaker 2: But I think something that we could easily and have
Speaker 2: talked about with the next two guys we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about in kJ Adams, Dwan Harris and what you were
Speaker 2: talking about, Ryan is exactly that the system fit, the
Speaker 2: roster construction does not mesh into a cohesive unit. And
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this earlier today, even that a
Speaker 2: lot of great Kansas teams, even some Kansas teams that
Speaker 2: weren't like great, had their best lineup, They had their
Speaker 2: best five or four a plug in of the other guy.
Speaker 2: This one exactly. It's like, well, Hunter Dickinson sruly needs
Speaker 2: to be out there, and probably Dewan Harris, but not
Speaker 2: always Dewan Harris. And sometimes Hunter Dickinson is not doing
Speaker 2: well enough to be on the floor, or at least
Speaker 2: is a weird mismatch with the other guys that are
Speaker 2: on the floor, And there's not like Rylan Griffin doesn't
Speaker 2: do enough to prove he needs to be out there.
Speaker 2: Even Zeke Meo, for as much as I am a
Speaker 2: fan of his, is also like has moments where it
Speaker 2: looks like he is not one of the best five
Speaker 2: players on the team. But then if it's not those guys,
Speaker 2: then who else is it? Because no one else is
Speaker 2: playing well enough to do that. It's very strange. Again,
Speaker 2: I do think this team's better than last year, but
Speaker 2: they are missing some very core pieces and core character
Speaker 2: traits of great Kansas teams, and that is evident in
Speaker 2: games like this.
Speaker 1: Well, and let's go ahead and talk about the rest
Speaker 1: of the bigs before we get into the guards. kJ
Speaker 1: actually did score in this game. He had thirteen points
Speaker 1: and five rebounds, six of nine shooting in a ridiculous
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes. So kJ scored all thirteen of those
Speaker 1: points in the first half because he hadn't scored more
Speaker 1: than twelve in a conference game yet. And then he
Speaker 1: scores thirteen and a half ten before the first TV timeout,
Speaker 1: doesn't score in the second half. He did play well overall.
Speaker 1: The discourse here, as you mentioned, it's getting stale. We
Speaker 1: all know the problem. It isn't gonna get any better.
Speaker 1: Florie Badounga he had six and four, three of his
Speaker 1: five shots win in the basket, and he played sixteen minutes.
Speaker 1: But that's a little misleading because he played the last eight.
Speaker 1: He played eight of the first thirty two minutes, and
Speaker 1: then Self threw him out there to end the night. Look,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. kJ Adams's plus minus was about the same.
Speaker 1: I think it was minus eight, and they were minus
Speaker 1: eleven in the game. So they had a bad first
Speaker 1: half on defense and offense with kJ playing well, and
Speaker 1: then they had a bad second half on defense and
Speaker 1: offense with kJ not playing well. I don't understand how
Speaker 1: Bill self, who as you mentioned, is trying. He is
Speaker 1: trying with way more rotations in games than we've ever
Speaker 1: seen him make this late in the season for a team.
Speaker 1: He is just trying to see if anything sticks. But
Speaker 1: we all kind of know thirty five minutes from kJ
Speaker 1: is not gonna get your offensive efficiency numbers through the roof,
Speaker 1: especially whenever you have to match three point baskets with
Speaker 1: K state. I think case they had double legit makes
Speaker 1: in this game. Your three point numbers aren't getting better
Speaker 1: with kJ on the floor. I want to know what
Speaker 1: Florie Badonga needs to do to play more, because he
Speaker 1: was really starting to gel in that four game stretch
Speaker 1: where kJ Adams didn't play. He ever's a double double
Speaker 1: and the team looked like they were going places. They
Speaker 1: choked the Houston game away, and if they didn't, I
Speaker 1: wonder if that changes the dialogue entirely on The team
Speaker 1: was figuring it out and then kJ came back and
Speaker 1: now it's a mess again. Is that fair?
Speaker 2: I think that is fair. I think the unfortunate answer
Speaker 2: to what Flori Badunga needs to do to play more
Speaker 2: is be a sophomore. But that's not gonna happen for
Speaker 2: another you know, however many months it is until uh October.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be a sophomore either,
Speaker 1: Like people are suspecting, people are saying he's gonna transfer.
Speaker 1: He has to be unhappy with his minute, right, I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if that happens because he's gonna.
Speaker 2: Because he's gonna walk into next year being the in
Speaker 2: pen starting five. Yes, if he comes back.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, he's if he leaves going to the NBA.
Speaker 1: I think next year's team is fascinating because you know,
Speaker 1: let's say Badonga comes back. If you get Darren Peterson
Speaker 1: and presumably Bryce and Tiller to play the one and
Speaker 1: the four, and then you have Flori at the at
Speaker 1: the five, right, and then I think priority one, two, three, four,
Speaker 1: and five is locking Ryland Griffin in a corner and
Speaker 1: not letting him up until he agrees to come back.
Speaker 1: That's your priority there? Can you give Darren Peterson a
Speaker 1: forty three point shooter? Flori though, is every bit as
Speaker 1: important to next year's team. I just think it's fascinating
Speaker 1: how this team was looking better on offense, uh, and
Speaker 1: they came within this close of beating Houston, and then
Speaker 1: kJ came back, and now Florida hasn't played as well.
Speaker 1: He has gotten the floor as much. The defense has
Speaker 1: gotten worse, Like I I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you, though, Ryan, would you almost
Speaker 2: want to beat Houston or have a guy that will
Speaker 2: occasionally play decent defense against stretch fours there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very very close. It is very difficult
Speaker 1: to choose, especially if you tell me the latter that
Speaker 1: the that, the that. That guy almost never scores except
Speaker 1: for in the first half of the Case State game.
Speaker 2: But but when he dunks, he will slap the floor
Speaker 2: and it will look very cool and it will be hyped.
Speaker 1: And it'll make Bill go from six to twelve instantly.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, toughness.
Speaker 1: Have to really know what's what's what's better here. Flora
Speaker 1: needs to play, They need to try the floor. Flori
Speaker 1: and Hunter are starting the other thing again. I don't
Speaker 1: know why they changed that kind of rocked yep, it
Speaker 1: worked better than this. Well.
Speaker 2: A guy that definitely is gonna play a lot of minutes,
Speaker 2: theoretically is Dwan Harris.
Speaker 1: We're gonna he fell three times, so stupid we we
Speaker 1: may we may not.
Speaker 2: Uh he felt three times at the first half, which
Speaker 2: seems like kind of a paradox because I thought, according
Speaker 2: to James Naismith's Rules of basketball, uh that you're only
Speaker 2: allowed to foul twice in the first half before being
Speaker 2: auto bench. At least that is what Bill believes.
Speaker 1: Bill was doing some dirty things. He he broke some rules.
Speaker 2: Yeah, either way, Uh, Harrison will twenty four minutes here
Speaker 2: hit four points six assists. It also just so happens
Speaker 2: that his benching midway through the first half coincided with
Speaker 2: KSE eight taking control of the game for good. Ryan,
Speaker 2: you have a very strong take here, So go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean they lost, guys, but look at the
Speaker 1: bright side. At least he didn't foul out right, That's
Speaker 1: what we were really trying to avoid. That's what we
Speaker 1: can't have. I swear college coaches. It's like in the
Speaker 1: NFL when when opposition, when coaches act like the absolute
Speaker 1: worst thing you can do is turn the ball over
Speaker 1: on downs. We're not even to consider going for it
Speaker 1: in this situation where and they may it sound like
Speaker 1: it's a done deal. We're not gonna get it if
Speaker 1: we go for it. The Chiefs, in case anybody forgot
Speaker 1: the Chiefs got their doors blown off them and came
Speaker 1: out to start the second half and a driver where
Speaker 1: you absolutely had to have points. They got to midfield,
Speaker 1: got to fourth and eight and Andy Reid said, punt the ball.
Speaker 1: Why what are you doing? You have to get points.
Speaker 1: They act like the risk of but what if we
Speaker 1: don't get it, buddy, you're gonna kick it right back
Speaker 1: to an offense. You couldn't stop anyway. Go for it,
Speaker 1: keep your offense on the field. Same here, Same thing here.
Speaker 1: With Kansas, Dwan Harris averages a foul every eighteen minutes.
Speaker 1: He immediately gets two fouls. Bench him for a couple minutes,
Speaker 1: put him back out there halfway through the second half.
Speaker 1: Build it everything right. Then he gets an absolute cracker jack,
Speaker 1: horrible foul call where he didn't even touch the guy
Speaker 1: that was shooting. They called it his third. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: got to go for a while, but he is only
Speaker 1: if I am the coach. He is only sitting down
Speaker 1: until I feel control of that game starting to slip.
Speaker 1: Case State stretches that to and seven to eight, and
Speaker 1: then double digit point lead. Dwan's got to get back
Speaker 1: in the game. I don't care if he gets a
Speaker 1: fourth foul at that point, because that he's not guaranteed
Speaker 1: to get the fourth foul or the fifth foul if
Speaker 1: I put him out there. He averages a foul every
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes. Let's not act like the ten minutes of
Speaker 1: sample size where he collected three in this game outwighs
Speaker 1: what he's proven throughout one hundred plus games as a starter,
Speaker 1: which is a guy that fouls less than twice per game.
Speaker 1: And then Lord behold, he plays all twenty second and
Speaker 1: a half minutes. Guess how many fouls to one Harris
Speaker 1: finished with Landon.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it was three.
Speaker 1: It was three. He didn't foul again. So would it
Speaker 1: have mattered? Probably not in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 1: But whenever you feel, whenever Bill self sees that league
Speaker 1: grow to double digits, anything's well. I can't put to
Speaker 1: one back in, even though it's a double digit lead.
Speaker 1: I would have risked the fourth foul. And because I
Speaker 1: think the odds that de one gets number four is
Speaker 1: worse than the odds of Kansas not cutting into that
Speaker 1: deficit more than they would have without Harris. And I
Speaker 1: am playing the numbers game all the time. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna work every time. Maybe I remember vividly when Kansas
Speaker 1: played Dayton and Maui, and I said, you gotta keep
Speaker 1: Marcus Garrett in the game. He's got three fouls early
Speaker 1: in the second half. Bill did, and he immediately got
Speaker 1: number four and Obi top and went burr and the
Speaker 1: and Kansas almost lost that game. I watched that happen.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's gonna happen. You don't make sports bets to win.
Speaker 1: Every time you make bets to win. Over the large
Speaker 1: period of sample, the majority of the time, de one
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna get number four. More, there are more scenarios
Speaker 1: where if Dewan Harris plays the rest of that first
Speaker 1: half and all of the second half, there are way
Speaker 1: more scenarios where he doesn't foul out than he does.
Speaker 1: Keep him in there, especially when you feel it's slipping away.
Speaker 1: This is a numbers game, and coaches don't get it.
Speaker 2: I actually I do mostly agree with you here. I
Speaker 2: do think he should have sat a little bit. I
Speaker 2: do also agree though, that when k State breaches the
Speaker 2: double digit mark in the first half with the lead,
Speaker 2: that Dewe Harris needs to go he needs to go
Speaker 2: back in because that is an environment where you are
Speaker 2: in real danger of letting that game slip away. Obviously,
Speaker 2: in the second half, Kansas had plenty of opportunity with
Speaker 2: Dwan Harris to come back, and it's not like being
Speaker 2: down eight at half is some wildly insurmountable lead. But
Speaker 2: certainly the vibe of the game changed immediately, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't like it wasn't like Kansas was in a great
Speaker 2: spot or in the driver's seat in any way, uh
Speaker 2: Whendwan Harris came out. So I do agree there when
Speaker 2: it got to like forty twenty nine late in the
Speaker 2: first half, to one probably needs to come back at
Speaker 2: least for a few minutes to try to quell that,
Speaker 2: try to get a couple buckets and try to slowcase
Speaker 2: state down. I think at three fouls most of the
Speaker 2: time a player does probably just sit for as long
Speaker 2: as they can with three fouls in the first half.
Speaker 2: Dwan Harris pretty smart player too, he knows he can't
Speaker 2: afford fouls at that point. So largely I do agree,
Speaker 2: especially with the way the game ended up being Alfo
Speaker 2: Hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: But mathematically speaking, just because let's say that you go
Speaker 1: your whole life without getting a speeding ticket and then
Speaker 1: you get one after twenty years of driving, the next day,
Speaker 1: you're not any more likely to get a ticket because
Speaker 1: you got one the day before as you were any
Speaker 1: other day. But yet so many people will overcorrect and
Speaker 1: be more careful. Well, I'm not gonna speed now because
Speaker 1: I got one. You're no more likely to have something
Speaker 1: happen again just because it happened once to Harris, getting
Speaker 1: three fouls does not make him any more likely to
Speaker 1: get a fourth foul than he would any other day
Speaker 1: of the week. But yet we're gonna act like we
Speaker 1: have to sit him, and I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I don't understand how the purpose of preserving him is
Speaker 1: because you're trying to avoid him fouling out, therefore not
Speaker 1: having him available. So your remedy to we got to
Speaker 1: make sure we don't lose him is let's lose him
Speaker 1: on purpose for an extended stretch. Like I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I would play him until he fouls out at that
Speaker 1: point or unless I get control of the game. I'm
Speaker 1: not getting snowballed in Bramleedge while my leader, my point
Speaker 1: guard sits with potential foul trouble. And I would argue
Speaker 1: that a player that averages less than two fouls per game.
Speaker 1: I would argue, three fouls late in the first half
Speaker 1: isn't foul trouble at all.
Speaker 2: There are we could really get into the weeds on
Speaker 2: this if you want it. I don't really want to
Speaker 2: get deeply into the weeds here.
Speaker 1: No, no, because it didn't really impact the final game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I disagree slightly with your logic, not enough to
Speaker 2: have the conversation. I do think that's like reasonable. I
Speaker 2: am generally speaking more of the opinion of if a
Speaker 2: guy has three fouls or is in foul trouble. However,
Speaker 2: you wanted to find that that. I would rather save
Speaker 2: a guy for potentially the end of the game or
Speaker 2: nearer the end of the game later in the game
Speaker 2: than risk losing him early. And I would rather be
Speaker 2: in control of that situation, uh, than to lose him
Speaker 2: and then have my hand forced. Maybe that's just the
Speaker 2: way I see the world in general. There's no telling, right,
Speaker 2: But no, that's that's fair.
Speaker 1: That's that's a perfectly fine perspective to have. But even
Speaker 1: with like, I'm really aggressive, I would be a very
Speaker 1: bad real game coach, because three minutes into the game
Speaker 1: things wouldn't be going well and I would want to
Speaker 1: tinker and tonker my way to a thousand adjustments. You
Speaker 1: would be much more patient, but you're still lean more
Speaker 1: aggressive than most of these these old college coaches.
Speaker 2: I would like to think.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Uh, when did you know the game was over?
Speaker 1: When was the moment when you go, oh, yep, this
Speaker 1: is a loss?
Speaker 2: I probably thought that for the majority of the second half.
Speaker 2: I'd have to look at like.
Speaker 1: I think it was whenever I think it was, I
Speaker 1: know they thought a whole half left. But for me,
Speaker 1: whenever they cut it to six right at the end
Speaker 1: of the half and you're pumped about only being down
Speaker 1: six and Ngoson hits the impossible fade away step back,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, now this and l and then
Speaker 1: they they did cut it to five. Griffin hit the
Speaker 1: three to open the second half, and then it immediately
Speaker 1: goes back up.
Speaker 2: And that is when it is. When it was cut
Speaker 2: to five, and immediately case It took it back to
Speaker 2: like ten or eleven or whatever. Yep, that was what
Speaker 2: it was, like, Oh yeah, this is like ninety a loss, probably.
Speaker 1: Because Kansas was making was making shots. They lost this
Speaker 1: game despite shooting better than fifty percent from the floor.
Speaker 1: I actually opened in the first four or five minutes.
Speaker 1: I thought this had potential to be a Kansas runaway
Speaker 1: because I figured Kansas State's defense would cool down and
Speaker 1: Kansas's offense with Harris in the game just zipping along,
Speaker 1: they had everything they wanted, and it was Case State
Speaker 1: that made the defensive adjustments. And didn't let up on
Speaker 1: the offensive end. Helps. Whenever your white guy of the
Speaker 1: game makes a ridiculous three, I expected it to come
Speaker 1: whenever the score was a little bit more in doubt
Speaker 1: than it was. But albeit Brandon Housen, who is a
Speaker 1: very good shooter in general, this is not Jordan Elgelseeter
Speaker 1: making an uncharacteristic amount of shots. But he made three
Speaker 1: of his ten threes, and it felt like more. They
Speaker 1: were bombs. That dude can shoot the piss out of
Speaker 1: the ball. I wish Kansas had that guy wearing their
Speaker 1: color jersey.
Speaker 2: Didn't he He did the night night, didn't he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He did? It was cold, it was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's better than Will Spradling. I know it brought
Speaker 1: back Will Spradling vibes. But he's a lot. But he's
Speaker 1: a good basketball player.
Speaker 2: He is. We did talk a little bit about this earlier,
Speaker 2: but does does kay State have a chance at the
Speaker 2: tournament here? Like, I mean, obviously if they win the
Speaker 2: rest of their game, sure, but like, are they gonna
Speaker 2: have a real shot to do that?
Speaker 1: They're six and six and Big twelve play and they're
Speaker 1: non schedule is horrendous. They don't have a single quality
Speaker 1: non con win like nothing close. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if they have a quad two non con win. They
Speaker 1: absolutely have to get to at least eleven Big twelve wins.
Speaker 1: They gotta go five and three at worst the rest
Speaker 1: of the way, maybe even better. Arizona is a great
Speaker 1: measuring stick for them, right if they beat Arizona, suddenly,
Speaker 1: oh they got Iowas, take Kansas and Arizona all in
Speaker 1: a week and a half stretch, I think then you
Speaker 1: start talking about maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're toughest games left or Arizona and Iowa State,
Speaker 2: both those are at home. They do have to go
Speaker 2: to Provo. That's not going to be easy, but their
Speaker 2: schedule is not the most difficult. If say they go
Speaker 2: like six and two in the backstretch and that puts
Speaker 2: them at an overall record of like eighteen and thirteen,
Speaker 2: they're probably.
Speaker 1: I think that's right side of the bubble. I think
Speaker 1: that's the right side of the bubble. If they get
Speaker 1: to if they get to twelve big twelve wins, even
Speaker 1: with their bad non con schedule, it will be very
Speaker 1: hard for them to be left out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially at that point they'll have at least one
Speaker 2: win over Iowa State at Kansas, probably Arizona if if
Speaker 2: they do indeed go six and two. Yeah, nebu a
Speaker 2: much much better resume than you once thought Case State
Speaker 2: was capable of.
Speaker 1: And something that we once thought Zeke Mayo was capable
Speaker 1: of doing is making shots on the road, and he
Speaker 1: finally did in this game. He made all three of
Speaker 1: his threes. He went five for eight overall and thirty
Speaker 1: six minutes and route to a fifteen point seven rebound
Speaker 1: five ass his performance. I didn't think he played very
Speaker 1: well despite those stats because of the five turnovers, and
Speaker 1: boy can he be careless with the ball and defensively well.
Speaker 1: Three for three from three ties the most road threes
Speaker 1: he's made in a game all year, which is your research.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that's true. He made three at
Speaker 1: Iowa State, albeit on three times as many shots. And
Speaker 1: it's just the second time this year that he shot
Speaker 1: above his season average from three on the road this year.
Speaker 1: This is road game number eight for Kansas and he's
Speaker 1: only shot better than average in two of them. The
Speaker 1: other was Creighton when he was two for four. Zeke's
Speaker 1: got to shoot more, man. Even with the fifteen points,
Speaker 1: there are so many moments where you're like, just shoot it,
Speaker 1: and he instead dribbles it, and it's either a turnover
Speaker 1: or a less or somebody who's not Zeke Mao shooting
Speaker 1: a three, which is worse, or somebody who's not Zeke
Speaker 1: Mao shooting a two, which is worse. He needs to
Speaker 1: shoot ten threes a game, well.
Speaker 2: Especially in a night where he's going through for three.
Speaker 2: There is a little chicken or the agger, like what
Speaker 2: comes first, Zeke getting good looks or Zeke being hot,
Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of games where Zeke takes shots
Speaker 2: that aren't necessarily good looks. Some of those go in,
Speaker 2: some of those don't, so you know, maybe this was
Speaker 2: a game where he just was taking his better looks.
Speaker 2: But in a game also where you are trailing by
Speaker 2: like eight for the.
Speaker 1: Entire sec you're playing catch up, fire the rock.
Speaker 2: And to be fair, one of those threes was a
Speaker 2: late desperation heave to give, you know, to keep Kansas's
Speaker 2: life support monitor on for like ten more seconds. But nonetheless, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he did need to shoot. This is definitely
Speaker 2: a game where he needs to shoot more, Like what
Speaker 2: what do you you know, what are you risking by
Speaker 2: him not taking a bunch more threes, especially on a
Speaker 2: night where extremely consistent Ryland Griffin is one for six
Speaker 2: in the arc, which we'll talk about a second, but.
Speaker 1: No, go for it, go ahead, go ahead, because I
Speaker 1: think he plays. As part of that conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was one for six from three. He was
Speaker 2: one for seven. Overall, it's zero for one from two
Speaker 2: for those keeping track, he had three points to assist
Speaker 2: nothing else in eighteen minutes. Aj stores box score lies
Speaker 2: as it says he was fine when he actually sucked,
Speaker 2: whatever size the Eggs, the Chiefs and Drake also sucked.
Speaker 2: During the Super Bowl, he went four for ten, one
Speaker 2: for five from three, did have nine points, two rebounds.
Speaker 2: The last couple of guards here to read these stats
Speaker 2: as well, Shack Moore two points, four assists, two steals
Speaker 2: and a block in fifteen minutes, David Coy a rebound
Speaker 2: in two turnovers in five minutes. And that's your guards.
Speaker 2: A weird night.
Speaker 1: Here's everything I got for this Griffin. I'm glad he
Speaker 1: shot six threes. He's really close. They're all around the basket.
Speaker 1: They're just not dropping. He's got to continue to shoot it.
Speaker 1: And this team doesn't have a plan B they need
Speaker 1: Mayo and Griffin to make threes combined. They took what
Speaker 1: is that combine? They didn't even take ten in this game.
Speaker 1: That can not happen. They need fifteen plus attempts, especially
Speaker 1: in a game where you're playing catchup. Aj Storer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if aj Storre has made a consequential
Speaker 1: basket for Kansas since the North Carolina game. I'm glad
Speaker 1: he had nine points and he actually seemed like, Okay,
Speaker 1: no one else wants to shoot, I'll do it. It's
Speaker 1: not gonna be a Wesdag.
Speaker 2: He's been telled every time he touches the ball. He does.
Speaker 1: He does have it. I would love to see his
Speaker 1: the amount of times that he shoots per one hundred possessions.
Speaker 1: I bet he has the highest mark of anybody on
Speaker 1: the team. Maybe Zeke Mao, but Zeke Mayo is much
Speaker 1: much better. And uh yeah, Shaq. I would like to
Speaker 1: see Shaq Moore run the point without Harris sometimes and
Speaker 1: Bill didn't even do it here because he was having
Speaker 1: Quite do it instead whenever, whenever Harris was in first
Speaker 1: half foul trouble. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, neither, I do. Think you kind of hit the
Speaker 2: nail on the head early in this season, saying that
Speaker 2: this team you didn't use this term, but basically it's
Speaker 2: gonna ride or die with Rylean, Griffin, aj Store, Zeke Mayo,
Speaker 2: and they need to continue to try Griffin in Store.
Speaker 2: And we're seeing kind of the result of the inconsistency.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Store has been kind of a non
Speaker 2: factor for a while at this point, but on a
Speaker 2: night where Griffin, okay, let's.
Speaker 1: Let's work through this with me. So Dickinson has been
Speaker 1: how many Jayhawk players have been worse than we thought,
Speaker 1: and yet the team's still a lot worse. Dickinson's been
Speaker 1: about what we expected. Harris has been what we expected.
Speaker 1: Zeke Mayo has been brilliant. He's been better than we
Speaker 1: could have realistically expected. Griffin has been a little bit worse.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been terrible, but he's been worse compared to
Speaker 1: what we thought he'd be. Store has been much worse,
Speaker 1: and kJ Flori's been. Flori's been a lot better than
Speaker 1: what we could have imagined. Like, it feels like this
Speaker 1: team has the majority of the guys have been what
Speaker 1: we expected, but it feels like they have every bit
Speaker 1: as many numbers that have been better than we thought
Speaker 1: than worse, and yet they've been still kind of they've
Speaker 1: been kind of stinky.
Speaker 2: And again, I think that a lot of that goes
Speaker 2: back to roster construction and roster fit. It just is
Speaker 2: it's weird. It just doesn't work that well on the
Speaker 2: offensive side of the basketball. And then also you have
Speaker 2: like a gargantuan black hole that was supposed to be
Speaker 2: Aj stores fifteen points a game like he came into
Speaker 2: this year, and I think everyone had the full expectation
Speaker 2: that that guy was at least going to be double
Speaker 2: digit scoring every night and was going to be a
Speaker 2: guy that could go out on some nights and get
Speaker 2: you twenty twenty five and just like takeover games occasionally
Speaker 2: and win. And he just has not even been remotely
Speaker 2: close to that obviously well documented here, but he has
Speaker 2: been nothing even remotely approaching a guy that does that,
Speaker 2: and they've had to replace that. And I think that
Speaker 2: also might be a little underrated element to what the
Speaker 2: season has been that they've had to completely find in
Speaker 2: real time a guy with any ability to do that.
Speaker 2: Because aj Storre was supposed to be able to win
Speaker 2: games for you occasionally well.
Speaker 1: And then you also look at how in the final
Speaker 1: number is fifty percent shooting thirty two percent from three,
Speaker 1: which they were three for five in the first half
Speaker 1: and then shot very poorly in the second. They didn't
Speaker 1: shoot enough in the first half, and then they shot
Speaker 1: probably too many in the second half and only fifty
Speaker 1: eight percent from the line. I mean, what all that
Speaker 1: tells me is this team, the roster construction is just weird.
Speaker 1: It's just not that it's not the cohesive unit we
Speaker 1: thought it would be. Typically, teams that are very experienced
Speaker 1: gel really well, especially by the time he gets to
Speaker 1: this late in the year, and it just hasn't happened
Speaker 1: for this team yet it remains to be seen. Could
Speaker 1: they figure it out? Yes, And I think what gives
Speaker 1: you hope is unlike last year, this team has the
Speaker 1: ability to be a lot better, Like they could go
Speaker 1: on a run in the NCAA Tournament with their talent.
Speaker 1: Last year, we n that wasn't gonna happen. And also
Speaker 1: Bill self did say today, look, I know that sixteen
Speaker 1: and seven isn't what people expected, but there's plenty of
Speaker 1: teams that would kill to be in our spot. I'm
Speaker 1: watching North Carolina right now about to follow fourteen and eleven,
Speaker 1: and they are just getting slammed by Clemson, like they're
Speaker 1: not gonna make the tournament. There are plenty of teams
Speaker 1: that would kill old to be in Kansas's spot. I
Speaker 1: know Kansas Blue Blood and I know all that, but
Speaker 1: like it's kind of that they're a victim of their
Speaker 1: own success. Like Bill self's worst season is better than
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of team's bests. So, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens in the next few weeks. But if
Speaker 1: this team never really gels and they're a four seed
Speaker 1: and they lose in the round of thirty two, people
Speaker 1: on Twitter can say all they want how unacceptable it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, all you can ask for is that they're
Speaker 1: consistently getting you top four seeds.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, which I would still predict. I still
Speaker 2: very much think Kansas will be a four.
Speaker 1: Seed and then they'll get a Round a thirty two
Speaker 1: game against the five seed, which, based off of how
Speaker 1: the last few years have gone, well, that that's gonna
Speaker 1: be Show five hundred. So now you got two strikes
Speaker 1: to knowing why that's going to be the season finale
Speaker 1: episode Big twelve games, and none of them were interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh I think I forgot to play the airhorn. Actually, okay,
Speaker 1: here you go, belated by Big twelve games. Okay, Landon,
Speaker 1: we'll do these rapid fire because there's nothing interesting. I
Speaker 1: don't believe anything interesting happened in the Big twelve other
Speaker 1: than Kansas. I think that was it. Number twenty, Arizona
Speaker 1: eighty two, number thirteen, Texas Tech seventy three. Those were
Speaker 1: two good teams.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, they're eleven and one now. They shot
Speaker 2: almost sixty five percent from two in this game, getting
Speaker 2: fourteen and eleven from Toby o Waka and sixteen points
Speaker 2: from both Jade and Bradley and Caleb Love. Both of
Speaker 2: these teams are good. And Arizona I think they are
Speaker 2: out kicking their coverage a little bit with eleven and one,
Speaker 2: but they're much much closer to that than like the
Speaker 2: six and five or whatever they were in the non Con.
Speaker 2: They're they're good team and they are on fire.
Speaker 1: All the way up to number thirteen and the ap
Speaker 1: top twenty five now finally in front of you con.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how it took this long to correctly make
Speaker 1: that swap. Number eight Iowa State eighty two, TCU fifty two.
Speaker 1: Skid is over for the Cyclones. We knew that it
Speaker 1: would be a blot.
Speaker 2: It was, Yeah, you want me to read the next thing,
Speaker 2: because if we can go really rapid fire, I can
Speaker 2: read the scores.
Speaker 1: Oh, you want to just move on, you want to
Speaker 1: just do that. I'm good with that. Joshua Jefferson at
Speaker 1: thirteen and ten for the Cyclones. Jamie Dixon one win
Speaker 1: after getting his five hundred win, gets his five hundred loss.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure, that's right, right, five hundred years that joke
Speaker 1: and field it was funny. Go for it. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: just rule. We'll just fly through this. Jamie Dixon in
Speaker 1: his career. I want to find his record while you
Speaker 1: read the score.
Speaker 2: I love it when people think I'm funny. One of
Speaker 2: my favorite things. Baylor ninety one, UCF seventy six. The
Speaker 2: Bears continue to win the games they should and not
Speaker 2: the ones they shouldn't eighteen and twelve from Nordchad Omer
Speaker 2: UCF defense is bad. It went end out when your
Speaker 2: offense is struggling, play the Knights. Your troubles will be
Speaker 2: washed away. To the tune of eighty five plus.
Speaker 1: Kansas is barely a top fifty team and Ken Palm
Speaker 1: offense and what they hang one hundred and ninety on
Speaker 1: UCF in two games this year?
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 1: A lot there you go, Jamie Dixon five hundred and
Speaker 1: two forty four in his career, but a lot of
Speaker 1: that's from Pittsburgh as if you look at TCU's seventy
Speaker 1: two and one twenty one.
Speaker 2: What's Jamie Dixon's conference record all time? Because you can
Speaker 2: play Florida A and M in Prairie View, Western whatever
Speaker 2: a million times.
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. And I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to it doesn't even put that in here on
Speaker 1: the college Basketball Reference page. I want to know this
Speaker 1: that is that is exactly? What? Like? Seriously, where is
Speaker 1: his conference numbers? How do they not have that? I
Speaker 1: could probably do the math on it, but I bet
Speaker 1: it's not very good.
Speaker 2: West Virginia seventy two, Utah sixty one seventeen from Amani Hansbury, Brian,
Speaker 2: do you care at all about this game? No?
Speaker 1: I don't, but I do care about Jamie Dixon's conference record.
Speaker 1: So you keep going and I'm gonna try to find it.
Speaker 2: You got it. Cincinnati eighty four BYU sixty six. Two
Speaker 2: good offensive games from the Bearcats in a row, which
Speaker 2: makes the first time that's happened all year, the first
Speaker 2: two games of that all season for Cincinnati twenty four
Speaker 2: from my favorite named player in the country, Jizsel James,
Speaker 2: Cincinnati won a couple games in a row. Now look
Speaker 2: at that. Uh, they still have a long road back
Speaker 2: and I don't think they're gonna make it. But nicest
Speaker 2: seasonince he get a couple of wins. Number six Houston
Speaker 2: sixty nine, Colorado fifty nine. Juwan Roberts had twenty. But
Speaker 2: this did not come easy for Houston, who led by
Speaker 2: just four at the under four time out. A little
Speaker 2: preview of Kansas Colorado if you will, maybe, oh please, No,
Speaker 2: the Cougars are also eleven and one. The Buffalo's zero
Speaker 2: to twelve. Yeah. Shockingly, even though it was close at
Speaker 2: the under four, the really good team closed strong and
Speaker 2: the bad team did not.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Houston gets the win there, but only by ten. Newston's
Speaker 2: had a couple of these weirdly closer than they should
Speaker 2: be games as of late. I don't think that means much.
Speaker 1: But no, it's not. It's it's that they're bored I
Speaker 1: think more than anything else. Jamie Dixon's record in conference
Speaker 1: play is two oh eight and one seventy, which is
Speaker 1: a winning percentage of what is that? That's two o
Speaker 1: eight in the three seventy eight fifty five percent getting close,
Speaker 1: getting real.
Speaker 2: Close, exactly correct. He's just also to keep his job,
Speaker 2: but not good enough to be notable.
Speaker 1: He was way better at Pitt too. He's a six
Speaker 1: thirty eight career winner percentage in conference games at PITT
Speaker 1: and four to twenty two at TCU granted tougher conference
Speaker 1: pretty well. Yeah, he is a sixty five and ninety
Speaker 1: in his career as well.
Speaker 2: It's also not like coach, It's not like Pitt was
Speaker 2: a blue blood or anything in the ACC though, correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they well, he had a couple of good teams.
Speaker 1: They were one seed once. Like he had some good teams. Uh,
Speaker 1: they were so TCU. This is Jamie Dixon's like eighth
Speaker 1: year and they are. They were six and twelve the
Speaker 1: first year where they won the NIC and considering who
Speaker 1: he was taking over for, that was very impressive. Then
Speaker 1: nine to nine, seven and eleven seven and eleven five
Speaker 1: and eleven eight and ten, nine and nine, nine and
Speaker 1: nine and this year five and seven could go ten
Speaker 1: and ten. Wouldn't that be perfect? He's going four five
Speaker 1: hundred and what would be the third straight year in
Speaker 1: con friends play could definitely happen. Are we done with
Speaker 1: Big twelve games yet? Oh? Oklahoma State eighty six, Arizona
Speaker 1: State seventy three. This is your surprise Big twelve team
Speaker 1: landing and they sit in fifteenth place. They are They
Speaker 1: are surprisingly bad. They're worse than we thought because their
Speaker 1: coach is kind of a troll. But the teams are
Speaker 1: combined twenty four to two that played in this game
Speaker 1: very Jamie Dixon like. No time will be spent talking
Speaker 1: about them.
Speaker 2: Which moves us along to Big twelve standings. Tied for
Speaker 2: first two games ahead of the rest of the pack
Speaker 2: is Houston and Arizona at eleven and.
Speaker 1: One, Texas Tech is nine and three, Iowa State is
Speaker 1: eight and four, and then tied in fifth place Kansas
Speaker 1: and Baylor, two teams that have the same record, but
Speaker 1: Baylor's been very steady and consistent and predictable, and Kansas
Speaker 1: to get to their seven and five has had some wonky,
Speaker 1: weird stuff to get there.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the pack, tied for seventh BYU
Speaker 2: West Virginia K State. They're all six and six K
Speaker 2: State heck of a row to six and six. As
Speaker 2: of late YEP tied for tenth Utah TCU. They are
Speaker 2: both five and seven, which also Utah. We thought Utah
Speaker 2: was gonna be Colorado. Instead they've been TCU, which is
Speaker 2: pretty good for their first year in the league.
Speaker 1: I predict Utah really hits the fan down the stretch.
Speaker 1: I think they're about to find out what the grind
Speaker 1: of a twenty game Big twelve slate feels like whenever
Speaker 1: you're just not used to it. But yes, to this point,
Speaker 1: they haven't slammed into the iceberg and sunk to the
Speaker 1: bottom of a three mile deep ocean.
Speaker 2: Even five and fifteen is bet we thought Utah was
Speaker 2: going to genuinely be like a two or three win
Speaker 2: That's true. So even if they lose out, they have
Speaker 2: exceeded expectations.
Speaker 1: And they will be better than Colorado if they lose out,
Speaker 1: as I think maybe everybody on this list would can
Speaker 1: say that, because yeah, UCF, Cincinnati and Oklahoma State are
Speaker 1: four and eight, Arizona State is three and nine and
Speaker 1: then needing to go at at worst four and four.
Speaker 1: The rest of the way to get out of last
Speaker 1: place is zero to twelve. Colorado the absolute the most
Speaker 1: that any Big twelve team has ever been, and they
Speaker 1: are horrible. Cam says they're due. I hope they're not,
Speaker 1: because look what happens next Landon.
Speaker 2: Boy, if they're due, they'll be doing Bowler, They'll be
Speaker 2: doing Boulder. That's that's my joke. Prediction that maybe isn't
Speaker 2: a joke.
Speaker 1: It's gonna say that game is gonna be closer than
Speaker 1: we think. Now we go on to other games. It
Speaker 1: was a very wild weekend of basketball. We saw the
Speaker 1: nation's top ranked team go down at home. Number six
Speaker 1: Florida very impressively went on the road and took down
Speaker 1: top ranked Auburn ninety to eighty one. They got nineteen
Speaker 1: points and six assists from Walter Clayton Junior, who is
Speaker 1: a stud. The Gators snagged probably the most impressive win
Speaker 1: for any college team this year to tighten up the
Speaker 1: SEC race. While the Tigers lost for the first time
Speaker 1: since Cameron indoor in the first week of December, they
Speaker 1: have only lost twice this year, and they probably rightfully
Speaker 1: stayed at number one even despite losing a home game
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: The SEC race is tied after number three Alabama almost
Speaker 2: blew an eighteen point second half lead at Arkansas, but
Speaker 2: they did hold on for the win eighty five eighty one,
Speaker 2: both Alabama schools nine to one to lead the league.
Speaker 2: Other league results including four Tennessee clobbering Oklahoma, Norman shocking
Speaker 2: that portermost.
Speaker 1: Shocking Porter got pantsed.
Speaker 2: Number ten Texas A and M got a last second
Speaker 2: three from Wade Taylor to upset fifteen Missoo in Colombia,
Speaker 2: and number twenty five Ole Miss and number twenty two
Speaker 2: Missippi State both getting narrow road wins.
Speaker 1: The SEC is a roller coaster, but I think it's
Speaker 1: very clear even with Florida's win, there are two elite
Speaker 1: teams in that conference. There are several very good ones.
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Florida are very good. Texas A and M's
Speaker 1: fist the end. Miszoo is not someone I'd want to
Speaker 1: play in the tournament at all. But I think it's
Speaker 1: Auburn and Alabama. I think those are your blue chips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Auburn is psycho and Alabama can score with anybody
Speaker 2: in the country.
Speaker 1: I think Alabama might be better than Auburn. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's true now, but I think Auburn we
Speaker 1: have reason to think they may have already hit their ceiling.
Speaker 1: They have a lot better luck metrics than Ken Palm,
Speaker 1: kind of leading some of the metric sites that think
Speaker 1: they've overachieved a little bit. I think Alabama has the
Speaker 1: universe as a ceiling, and they have a coach that
Speaker 1: is known to go deeper into the tournament than Auburn's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's no way Alabama gets outscored in a
Speaker 2: crucial moment in March.
Speaker 1: Right, Yep. They might give up ninety if they can't
Speaker 1: get it up there, they're in trouble, but they're not
Speaker 1: getting They're not losing ninety five ninety three. That's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen to them.
Speaker 2: Okay, would you like to tell me about the Big East?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Creighton, who is the second place in the Big East.
Speaker 1: I believe they've had a really good year. Greg McDermott
Speaker 1: should be the coach of the year in most years,
Speaker 1: but whenever you're dealing with Rick Patino, that probably won't
Speaker 1: happen in that conference. Because they lost Pop Isaacs, they
Speaker 1: have had all sorts of injury problems, and yet here
Speaker 1: they are in second place in the league. They took
Speaker 1: down number eleven Marquette, a reeling Golden Eagle squad, by ten.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the conference, though, is looking up at Rick
Speaker 1: Patino in a few different ways, as number twelve Saint
Speaker 1: John's one at number nineteen Yukon sixty eight sixty two
Speaker 1: to reach twelve and one in league play the Red
Speaker 1: Storm they are twenty one and three overall, which is
Speaker 1: very impressive by itself, but you look at the data
Speaker 1: a little deeper. The loss is by one to Baylor
Speaker 1: and two overtimes, by one to Creighton, and by three
Speaker 1: to Georgia, who all three were ranked teams at one
Speaker 1: point this year. Maybe the most consistently like outside of
Speaker 1: the Auburn and Alabama and Duke tiers, maybe the most
Speaker 1: consistent Tier two team in college basketball. I think Patino's
Speaker 1: the best college basketball coach of the twenty first century.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to argue with that. I mean, there is
Speaker 2: a coach k I guess that stands that coached a
Speaker 2: lot in the twenty first century.
Speaker 1: True, I think more active active.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Speaking of that team, Clemson finally
Speaker 2: gave number two Duke an ACC loss, as the Tigers
Speaker 2: pulled within a game of the league crown after a
Speaker 2: seventy seven to seventy one home upset. Victor Lakin had
Speaker 2: twenty two points while Cooper Flagg, driving for the typical
Speaker 2: bucket in the closing seconds, slipped and traveled. It's the
Speaker 2: first loss for the Blue Devil since the Kansas game.
Speaker 2: Just nah, the season feels on the same for Kansas as.
Speaker 1: Duke feels like an eternity ago at this point, and
Speaker 1: Clemson honestly so. The Duke win was impressive. We knew
Speaker 1: they'd be turned up for that. We knew Duke was
Speaker 1: kind of due to lose a game. Okay, you got one,
Speaker 1: kind of like when Kansas State beats Kansas and then
Speaker 1: falls right on their ass the next game. I was
Speaker 1: very curious to see what would happen with Clemson the
Speaker 1: next game. Well, they're just wiping the floor with North
Speaker 1: Carolina beat them by more than twenty, which is another
Speaker 1: very difficult game to get up for emotionally against a
Speaker 1: fast athletic a'lbeit underachieving team. This year, Clemson No. Now
Speaker 1: twelve and two in the ACC. They feel like the
Speaker 1: five seed that's gonna lose to A twelve in the
Speaker 1: first round of the NCAA tournament, but still they are
Speaker 1: Duke's biggest competition to win a worthless acc crown in
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. Number nine Michigan State overcame a big
Speaker 1: early deficit to surge past the Ducks in a conference
Speaker 1: game against Oregon by twelve to snap a two game skid.
Speaker 1: Number twenty four Michigan also wanted Assembly haul Land and
Speaker 1: we got a step. Stop picking teams to win or
Speaker 1: to lose that Assembly Hall unless it's Indiana. They lose
Speaker 1: a lot at Assembly they lose their a lot. Both
Speaker 1: Michigan teams are ten and two. They are both one
Speaker 1: half game behind Number seven per Due. The boiler Makers
Speaker 1: are in first place. They clawbered USC at home. What
Speaker 1: is this conference? They are eleven and two. All of
Speaker 1: those teams are getting ready to play each other. Fun
Speaker 1: Big Ten race. A lot of the teams in that
Speaker 1: league changed, but the same basketball powerhouses sans Indiana, are
Speaker 1: still running the show.
Speaker 2: That's true. In my personal favorite segment, did DePaul win, No,
Speaker 2: but they shouldn't lose either. They had a bye weekend,
Speaker 2: so uneventful week for DePaul. But they will take a
Speaker 2: week in which they do not lose.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, they haven't had very many of those, and
Speaker 1: they'll take one. Here. Ranked teams to lose since the
Speaker 1: last show, there's only three, or there's only five of them.
Speaker 1: You have three Big twelve slash former Big twelve teams,
Speaker 1: and the top two teams in college basketball this year.
Speaker 1: Number one Auburn lost at home to Florida.
Speaker 2: Number two Duke lost to Creighton or at Clemson, not Creighton.
Speaker 1: There you go. That could happen to Creighton's good. Number
Speaker 1: thirteen Texas Tech lost to Arizona.
Speaker 2: Number fifteen Miszoo lost to Texas A and M.
Speaker 1: And number sixteen Oh no, not you Oh the drop
Speaker 1: didn't work. It's hiding in shame. There you go. Bill
Speaker 1: lost to k State, which, let me give you a
Speaker 1: little last year on inside the Paint up. And another
Speaker 1: ranked team to lose in the last show, Kansas lost
Speaker 1: to Kansas State. Hope, let me go back one more year.
Speaker 1: And ranked teams to lose since the last show. Here's Kansas.
Speaker 1: They lost to Kansas State. But I'm sure they won't
Speaker 1: do that next year, right, damnit, damnit, damn it. Three
Speaker 1: times in a row. Kansas has lost to Kansas State.
Speaker 1: They haven't won there since the Ochai game. Right that
Speaker 1: wild comeback when when Oachai hit the bucket with less
Speaker 1: than ten seconds left and they they wanted the last
Speaker 1: at the buzzer. Yep. Yeah, it's been a long time,
Speaker 1: so they should have lost that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they absolutely should have. And then just by
Speaker 2: like level of disgustingness, they should have lost the year
Speaker 2: before that as well.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, and you go back another year, the
Speaker 1: twenty team. Uh, they were number one in the country
Speaker 1: and k State was last in the Big twelve and
Speaker 1: Kansas only won that game by four. They always play
Speaker 1: ugly in Manhattan, right, that was on Leapier Day, right
Speaker 1: before they shut the world down, and we were like,
Speaker 1: Kansas unstoppable. They are never losing again, and they didn't.
Speaker 1: That's true, but that has an asterisk.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: Last week in pick them, speaking of not losing landon,
Speaker 1: the gap is tightening. You had a great pick them week.
Speaker 1: I believe you're within six of CAM. I'm within four
Speaker 1: of Cams, so we're all within six games of each
Speaker 1: other with plenty of picks. Had stop picking the Jayhawks
Speaker 1: to win, and you'd be in first place.
Speaker 2: I did. I tried. I tried doing that a couple
Speaker 2: of times, and it hasn't gone well for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your record in Kansas games this year? And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's disappointing. If you had picked those games correctly,
Speaker 1: you'd be doing great. But you can make up for
Speaker 1: it by answering some of these questions. Okay, babe, all right,
Speaker 1: so ask rock Shock blog. I haven't looked at these yet.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming we're gonna have some Chiefs questions that I
Speaker 1: think they played a football game yesterday. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to think about it, even though Landon,
Speaker 1: you're not much of a Chiefs fan anymore. Explained dynasty
Speaker 1: fatigue a little bit.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's dynasty fatigue and also just like life perspective. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what has happened here is that the Chiefs are
Speaker 2: just very good. And I really do despise football dynasties.
Speaker 2: I don't know something about specifically. Football dynasties are just
Speaker 2: the most boring thing in the world to me, and
Speaker 2: I'm I want the Chiefs to win against the Eagles.
Speaker 2: I really did. I wanted to see the three peet
Speaker 2: I was a little upset when they lost. I was,
Speaker 2: I was disappointed, But I just can't really be made
Speaker 2: to have a deep emotional connection to the Chiefs anymore.
Speaker 2: I've seen them do everything I could have ever dreamed
Speaker 2: of seeing them do multiple times at this point, and
Speaker 2: there's just not a lot of juice left there. Still
Speaker 2: like them. I still watched like almost all their games
Speaker 2: this year. I don't. I think I've only missed one
Speaker 2: because I was like out of the country. Otherwise I
Speaker 2: saw them. But yeah, it's a little board, a little
Speaker 2: board by.
Speaker 1: Them, and I think that that's a fair take. Like
Speaker 1: I the first chief super Bowl happened right before COVID
Speaker 1: and I was twenty five, and I was prepared to
Speaker 1: go my whole life without ever seeing that and have
Speaker 1: it happened whenever I was young, and you know, you
Speaker 1: can celebrate and go to the parade and buy the
Speaker 1: shirt and hat and the and the framed picture of
Speaker 1: the suit of the confetti falling on the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: like all of that was just it was so fun
Speaker 1: to get to do that whenever. I cried actual tiers
Speaker 1: as a seven year old when they lost to the
Speaker 1: Colts in the two thousand and three playoff game and
Speaker 1: it just was NonStop crap until Mahomes got there. But
Speaker 1: ever since then, as they've done nothing but go to
Speaker 1: Super Bowls and win the majority of them, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: it hasn't It hasn't been quite the same. It is
Speaker 1: cool that they've won games, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: darn that they lost yesterday. I was rooting for them
Speaker 1: to win. But it just now that I've seen all
Speaker 1: three of the teams I root for win a championship
Speaker 1: within the first twenty five years of my life, that
Speaker 1: is spoiled and I can't really and they've done it
Speaker 1: multiple times. I've seen kay you win it twice. I'm
Speaker 1: not even thirty yet, almost, but I've seen kay you
Speaker 1: win it twice. I've seen the Chiefs win it three times.
Speaker 1: I've seen the Royals win it once. And I've seen
Speaker 1: all three of those teams lou get to other championships
Speaker 1: and lose on the doorsteps. So no shortage of opportunities
Speaker 1: and wins. I can't even imagine if I was like
Speaker 1: a Bills fan, like or poor Cam being a line
Speaker 1: because we did that. We watched the Chiefs lose a
Speaker 1: playoff game where they didn't punt and then we lost.
Speaker 1: Chiefs lose a playoff game where the other quarterback threw
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass to himself like, and then we watched
Speaker 1: the Chiefs lose it to a playoff game when they
Speaker 1: scored two touchdowns and their opponents scored no touchdowns, and
Speaker 1: yet the Chiefs still lost. You were at that game.
Speaker 2: I was at that game, the only playoff game I've
Speaker 2: ever attended.
Speaker 1: Oh and it was cold and they moved it because
Speaker 1: of ice. And you watch the Steelers make six field
Speaker 1: goals and beat the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: And we watched them tie the game only for the
Speaker 2: holding call.
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about that was that the Eric Fisher
Speaker 1: hold on the two point try.
Speaker 2: That was when the refs hated the Chiefs exactly. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: something that they definitely don't do now.
Speaker 1: But that's it. We kind of kind of tying into
Speaker 1: that because there are a couple Chiefs questions, So let's
Speaker 1: hit those. First year at Sholmy Hawk, which of these
Speaker 1: is the worst weekend in nineteen KU lost at West Virginia.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is going to bring us dark
Speaker 1: memories landing And the next day the Chiefs lost in
Speaker 1: the D four game to the Patriots. In twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: k You got blown out at West Virginia to end
Speaker 1: their top twenty five streak. The day before, the Chiefs
Speaker 1: got blown out in Tampa in the Super Bowl. In
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Kansas got trashed by Kentucky. The day
Speaker 1: before they blew the Chiefs blew a twenty one to
Speaker 1: three lead in the AFC Championship Game against Cincinnati. And
Speaker 1: then this year k You lose at k State, Chiefs
Speaker 1: get blown out in the Super Bowl to Philly. Wow.
Speaker 1: So when the Jayhawks lose on Super Bowl Saturday, bad
Speaker 1: things happen the next day, is what you're telling me here?
Speaker 1: Or on AFC Championship Saturday.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's a tough one. I think I would
Speaker 2: go twenty twenty two, because yeah, there was I also
Speaker 2: have a vivid memory of also the Saturday that k
Speaker 2: you lost to Kentucky or maybe it was it was
Speaker 2: it was either the Saturday or the Sunday one or
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 1: Is the soccer game.
Speaker 2: USA soccer had a qualifying game against Canada that they
Speaker 2: also lost to nothing, and it looked for a moment
Speaker 2: like is USA gonna blow this again? So that was
Speaker 2: a like depressingly bad three games to have back to
Speaker 2: back to back.
Speaker 1: And it was cold. It was real cold. They're playing
Speaker 1: soccer games in January and Canada and it was it
Speaker 1: was or maybe it was a Minnesota or something.
Speaker 2: It was just freezing it Canada.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, And yeah, so the twenty
Speaker 1: two year was the worst for my money because we
Speaker 1: were coming off such an emotional high. The week before,
Speaker 1: We're in a three day stretch. Yeah, Canabis beating you
Speaker 1: had Kansas beeeding k State in the game we just
Speaker 1: talked about. Then the Chiefs and the Bills played the
Speaker 1: wildest playoff game I've ever watched, the thirteen second game,
Speaker 1: and then the next day was the o Chaia Baji
Speaker 1: double overtime three uh win ixae. Yeah, so we were
Speaker 1: we thought that nothing could go wrong, and Kansas just
Speaker 1: got flattened roadkill style by John Caliperi and his well
Speaker 1: colossal you know. And then but we were like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's okay, the Chiefs get to play the lousy ass
Speaker 1: Bengals as an eight point favorite the next day. Nothing
Speaker 1: could go wrong. And then well, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: of all of those scenarios, I think twenty two is
Speaker 1: the only one where you legitimately believed both Ku and
Speaker 1: are twenty two. Twenty two is the only one of
Speaker 1: those four where both Ku and the Chiefs were considerable
Speaker 1: favorites and they both got trounced.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think that's a very good way to
Speaker 2: put it.
Speaker 1: And at Showy Hawk also says, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: one of the few Chiefs fans that's ready to turn
Speaker 1: the page after the Super Bowl loss. The three peat
Speaker 1: would have been cool, but at least the season was
Speaker 1: still success in a vacuum. Also ads we saw the
Speaker 1: Jayhawks win in that same building, the Superdome, three years ago.
Speaker 1: We did. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs said, like, Chiefs fans are so spoiled man, like
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. That's the right attitude. You tip your cap.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia play. They clearly showed you they were a better team,
Speaker 1: and they played a fantastic game and they beat you,
Speaker 1: and all you only have three Super Bowls in the
Speaker 1: last six years now instead of four, Like, no one
Speaker 1: feels bad for the Chiefs. No one should. And you
Speaker 1: tip your cap and you move on to the next one.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs will be back. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: going to play in the Super Bowl next year, but
Speaker 1: they're always going to have a chance with the roster
Speaker 1: they have, kind of like Kansas, and that's really all
Speaker 1: you can ask for.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: Seeing if there's anything else with football before we move
Speaker 1: on to basketball, I don't think there is. At Mayo
Speaker 1: Zeke Berner. If the following duo of fran furs Schilla
Speaker 1: and Doug Sermons, oh my gosh, I don't even want
Speaker 1: to see the rest of the question at this point.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to just go ahead and end it. Oh,
Speaker 1: the rest of the questions good? If they both retired tomorrow,
Speaker 1: would world peace be solved, at least.
Speaker 2: In the sports community. Yeah, the Twitter community would be
Speaker 2: way calmer. General discourse on this podcast would be a
Speaker 2: little calmer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Landon is quite happy with the way that things from
Speaker 1: a world affairs perspective are going. So I don't even think,
Speaker 1: really good, guys, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think that now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't think that there'd be anything left
Speaker 1: on his list that would be problematic. I think that
Speaker 1: it would be like the meme of the flying cars
Speaker 1: utopian city, that'd be your life if Fran and Doug
Speaker 1: Sermons both disappeared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would take one of those flying cars
Speaker 2: to America's Gaza.
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, there I go, jumping to my death.
Speaker 1: Before I have to touch the rest of this podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm at Dick Underscore Taser with a really good question
Speaker 1: that brings up something that we need to talk about
Speaker 1: here Land And he says, Valentine's Day is it legitimate
Speaker 1: or just for guys that don't care care of business
Speaker 1: on the other three hundred and sixty four days.
Speaker 2: Uh, it is a completely fraudulent holiday that I've never
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to celebrate.
Speaker 1: No, that's it is not your you absolute marketing hill,
Speaker 1: you absolute sheep. So Valentine's Day is my second favorite
Speaker 1: holiday of the year after Christmas, because it is an
Speaker 1: opportunity to be better than where so many people, so
Speaker 1: many and I won't even say women, because it's so
Speaker 1: many people are let down by their spouses and they
Speaker 1: deserve to feel love, They deserve to have somebody go
Speaker 1: out of their way and show them that they care.
Speaker 2: It's an excuse to do that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you can, And I think that's what
Speaker 1: Wayne Kerr says, Like you can take care of your
Speaker 1: business in other days too, but it's still an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go above and beyond and to put a smile
Speaker 1: on someone's face. Valentine's Day is a good holiday. It's
Speaker 1: not just a marketing gimmick. I will say, it's annoying
Speaker 1: as hell. How high V I know that those twelve
Speaker 1: that those dozen roses are twenty dollars, except for this
Speaker 1: week when they go to thirty five. I see you
Speaker 1: capitalistic bastards doing that.
Speaker 2: I do think it's I think it's I think it's fraud.
Speaker 1: So this year was harder because I normally you normally
Speaker 1: have about two or three weeks beforehand to put in
Speaker 1: a reservation at a place for Valentine's Day, but this
Speaker 1: year it's on a Friday, so it was harder. I
Speaker 1: had to do it in mid January. And just pointing
Speaker 1: this out, two years from now, this super Bowl in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven is on Valentine's Day. I think the
Speaker 1: restaurants may be a little easier to get into on
Speaker 1: those days.
Speaker 2: Uh whatever, whatever city sees their team when the birthrate
Speaker 2: nine months from that night is going to be stupid.
Speaker 1: High, hopefully it's not Philadelphia. Then because boy, some of
Speaker 1: the police scanner too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We did it on a couch on fire in
Speaker 2: the street, guys.
Speaker 1: Yep, climbed a light pole. We were already all oiled
Speaker 1: up because you know they oil all the light poles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's normal, normal stuff.
Speaker 1: Totally normal to use the oil on the lamp post.
Speaker 1: And well December fourteenth, pop wam, I'm a dad way
Speaker 1: whoa Also Dick underscore, that was the baby coming out
Speaker 1: Land and.
Speaker 2: It wasn't okay okay, okay okay, And that's good. That's yeah,
Speaker 2: that's good and normal. I'm back.
Speaker 1: I'm back at Dick underscore. Taser also says is Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day just a holiday to set up to the landings
Speaker 1: of the world feel lonely?
Speaker 2: You see you see, mister Taser, mister Kerr, if you will?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: I not normally normally I was extremely whatever about Valentine's Day,
Speaker 2: and even this year, I'm very still just whatever. I
Speaker 2: don't really care. But I had never flipped off Valentine's
Speaker 2: decore in a Walmart before until this year. A few
Speaker 2: weeks after, I was friend zoned by a girl that
Speaker 2: I like. Oh, so you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: We all go through it.
Speaker 1: Wow that I can't believe that that picture'd end up
Speaker 1: in the Land and Cam Ryan group chat. Come on,
Speaker 1: Land and what are you doing?
Speaker 2: I didn't take a picture. That'd be weird. It's normal
Speaker 2: to do it, it's weird to photograph it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what?
Speaker 2: What do I?
Speaker 1: What did? I always used to tell you? Because I
Speaker 1: am six years older than you, so you know, as
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a very mature and sophisticated individual. As
Speaker 1: you prove on this every day, some seasoned life advice
Speaker 1: gets offered occasionally. What did I always tell you it
Speaker 1: was perfectly acceptable to do on Valentine's Day?
Speaker 2: Oh, send flowers to your mom? Yes, yes, a thing
Speaker 2: I haven't done and will never do.
Speaker 1: Well, then you know a what Land and I did
Speaker 1: my best? I want to know what at Wayne Underscore
Speaker 1: Kerr thinks it's Dick Underscore Taser. He's now Ku Push
Speaker 1: Up Club, He's no longer Wayne Kerr. I like that
Speaker 1: Dick Taser should Land and send flowers to his mom
Speaker 1: on Valentine's Day? And if he says yes, Landa, I
Speaker 1: think you should have to do it. That's the rules.
Speaker 2: Whatever whatever, I'll captain America fight you all at once.
Speaker 1: All right, now I'll ask you some basketball quite well.
Speaker 1: One more before that at rock chuk eighty four. What
Speaker 1: is the oldest photo on your camera roll that when
Speaker 1: you see it goes makes you go wow? I still
Speaker 1: wear that. Oh, it's got to be something sports like.
Speaker 1: It's got to be like a freakin' Jamal Charles Jersey
Speaker 1: whenever I was like fourteen years.
Speaker 2: Old, scrolling all the way to the top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say. And so I'm a big
Speaker 1: sink my phone with like the all the pictures on
Speaker 1: my computer. I have thirty two thousand photos on here,
Speaker 1: and they are sinked and organized by folder, just because
Speaker 1: that's how my OCD and borderline autism riddled brain works.
Speaker 1: But so I have every I have all of the
Speaker 1: family photos on here. The oldest photo on my phone,
Speaker 1: the date says May one, nineteen ninety nine. I am
Speaker 1: four years old and we're in California on my first vacation.
Speaker 1: I do not still wear the Winnie the Pooh size
Speaker 1: one shirt that I'm wearing in that picture.
Speaker 2: Though. My oldest photo is from October one, twenty seventeen. No,
Speaker 2: it's older than that. I think that's when I switched it.
Speaker 2: This must be from like twenty has to be from
Speaker 2: like twenty fifteen. My guess it's an Olympic jacket. I have,
Speaker 2: like a red Olympic jacket. A Nike Jacket's pretty nice
Speaker 2: that I'm wearing in this photo and I'm like fifteen.
Speaker 2: It's still in my closet to this day. I don't
Speaker 2: wear it a ton, but I do occasionally.
Speaker 1: Well, and Landon, I will add something too. So my
Speaker 1: wife and I were talking about you earlier because I said,
Speaker 1: Landa's go's gonna call me, and then she had asked.
Speaker 1: She asked me a little bit about what had been
Speaker 1: going on in the last few weeks, which I told
Speaker 1: her everything that happened, and her exact words were, after
Speaker 1: thinking about it, she said, Landon's really cute. He'll have
Speaker 1: no problems, and then she went to the gym, so
Speaker 1: you can have. So. I don't know they're like the
Speaker 1: fact that.
Speaker 2: People who aren't your wife to think that, or other
Speaker 2: people's wives in general, because I'm not really about that,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate it. Angie, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Have you ever saw her name on the podcast?
Speaker 1: Surely I've yelled it in anger when she starts vacuuming
Speaker 1: down the hallway as I'm trying to do. I think
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's that's why. That's why Valentine's nay
Speaker 1: matter so much. I have to make up for all
Speaker 1: the annoying, stupid things I do throughout the course of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, I appreciate your wife's sentiment.
Speaker 1: I will. I will pass along your appreciation, but Landon
Speaker 1: will eventually there will come a time on this podcast
Speaker 1: where you're like, I love Valentine's Day, Ryan, you were
Speaker 1: right the whole time, and I'm waiting for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, me too.
Speaker 1: The wheel reel too. Why does Landon pronounce nuclear as nuclear?
Speaker 1: Me focused questions here correct, yes, and he adds this
Speaker 1: is worse than fran for Schilla pronouncing Houston as Euston.
Speaker 2: Uh A, no, it's not. And be my bad. I
Speaker 2: guess do you say that?
Speaker 1: I never noticed that?
Speaker 2: Not that's eu Ler. I probably have said nuclear that
Speaker 2: that's how I say it, probably, which is wrong.
Speaker 1: Boy, you ought to hear me. What What are some
Speaker 1: of the words I've messed up over the years. I
Speaker 1: like I used.
Speaker 2: The two C mispronunciation as just something that's incorrect.
Speaker 1: For Kansas I love that matchup. Getting all the way
Speaker 1: off of this segment, I think I used to say
Speaker 1: allah instead of or I used to say a l
Speaker 1: a instead of Allah. You remember that.
Speaker 2: In what referenced in the God of Islam?
Speaker 1: Or no, like like saying uh whenever you're you're like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know the best holiday ever a la Valentine's Day?
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I see right, Yeah they got it wrong.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1: We're we're. The chemistry is off the charts here in
Speaker 1: this in this segment, I hope people are listening and
Speaker 1: not sad that Kansas has lost five of the last
Speaker 1: twelve games.
Speaker 2: Why not both.
Speaker 1: At AJ Stevenson, what do you see as a bigger
Speaker 1: barrier to postseason success from this team? A complete inability
Speaker 1: to play good basketball seems important? Or the fans who
Speaker 1: point out on social media that this team can't play
Speaker 1: good basketball pretty close, too close to call one.
Speaker 2: The first one would fix the second one, but the
Speaker 2: second one doesn't keep happen either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a good way to word it. The
Speaker 1: first one would or would it if Kansas won? Ever,
Speaker 1: because the Chiefs win damn near every game and fans
Speaker 1: are still on Twitter like, uh, they only.
Speaker 2: Actually didn't have one hundred one hundred catches for a
Speaker 2: thousand yards this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just they really should reconsider the shuffling up
Speaker 1: the coaching staff after that. Sure, that's exactly what everyone says,
Speaker 1: which I don't know anybody who said they need to
Speaker 1: fire some coaches after a fifteen and two season land
Speaker 1: and please don't don't look at your texts at AJ Stevenson.
Speaker 1: In the last few weeks, KU has given up eighty one,
Speaker 1: eighty one, eighty seven and ninety two. Unrelated question, what
Speaker 1: other shots should kJ add to his arsenal? Have they
Speaker 1: really they've given up eighty in every game since kJ
Speaker 1: came back. That's true, I mean think about that.
Speaker 2: I did not really realize that.
Speaker 1: I guess they did against Iowa State that Iowa State
Speaker 1: one's the extraction here.
Speaker 2: True. That isn't good. I think kJ should work on
Speaker 2: shots that go in. I think he should work on
Speaker 2: shots that go in the basket. If I had to
Speaker 2: suggest shots.
Speaker 1: For him, well, I don't think it's the fact that
Speaker 1: he's not trying to do that. I think he's just
Speaker 1: not very good at it, which, uh, oh, well, when
Speaker 1: you say it like that, you know that's fair, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of landing it. Well, come on, no, don't kJ
Speaker 1: there is that better? That sounds seamless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was super good.
Speaker 1: Hey, then it's on par with the rest of my
Speaker 1: u with the rest of my editing. Here two more
Speaker 1: questions at show me Hawk. If there it feels like
Speaker 1: there's not a leader on this team might explain why
Speaker 1: they've lost every big road game they've played, create Missouri,
Speaker 1: Iowa State, Baylor, k State. Part of that is they're
Speaker 1: not a dominant team, and you're going to lose against
Speaker 1: the top road teams you play when you're not an
Speaker 1: elite level team. But a leader would help. And they
Speaker 1: have enough how many combined years of basketball experience this
Speaker 1: is starting five have? It's twenty, isn't it. It's more
Speaker 1: than that, it's like twenty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, a lot too many to be doing this.
Speaker 1: But yes, that part of it is they're not a
Speaker 1: lethal basketball team, so they're more susceptible to losing those games.
Speaker 1: But a leader would help. And finishing this off here
Speaker 1: at Elliott rus and H what would be your guys's
Speaker 1: suggestions to make this team more consistent? If you were
Speaker 1: the head coach, what would you do?
Speaker 2: All Right, go for it, play kJ like maybe twenty
Speaker 2: minutes a game, and mostly go I'd play a lot
Speaker 2: more Shack and Zeke as the point guard, with Dewan
Speaker 2: Harris playing more like twenty five minutes a game, and
Speaker 2: I don't always know who I'm rolling out there. I
Speaker 2: guess Florie's gonna play a lot more with Hunter, and
Speaker 2: we're gonna run a lot more solo Flory at the five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Florie's got to play more than kJ by
Speaker 1: a lot. Florie's got to play twice as many minutes
Speaker 1: as kJ, unless it's a depending on the matchup. I
Speaker 1: and yes, Dewe Harris can come to the bench like
Speaker 1: it's allowed. It is allowed, though I understand that I
Speaker 1: was banging my fists on the table for more to
Speaker 1: one Harris whenever he was in foul trouble. There are
Speaker 1: matchups where you need to want out there. There's like
Speaker 1: there's also somewhere I'm with you. I'd like to see
Speaker 1: Zeke Mayor run the point, and the Zeke Ryland Matt
Speaker 1: would be immense. I would very rarely pull them off
Speaker 1: the floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those guys would play a lot, they'd play a
Speaker 2: lot together. I would even use David Koit a little
Speaker 2: bit more in some spots circumstances.
Speaker 1: Uh play Koit, Griffin, Mayo, Hunter and Floria together.
Speaker 2: That sounds fun to me.
Speaker 1: But not enough floor burns and not enough stops because
Speaker 1: when Kj's out there, they only give up sixty in
Speaker 1: the second half. Don't you see ye give up eighty
Speaker 1: plus four to five times if you and then there
Speaker 1: is one more here. Elliott says random question that I'm
Speaker 1: just curious about what other sports are you guys interested
Speaker 1: in that you already don't follow and would do so
Speaker 1: more if not for the others that you already do.
Speaker 1: I would like to watch hockey more. I've always said
Speaker 1: that if the if I could either have an NHL
Speaker 1: or an NBA team in Kansas City, I would take
Speaker 1: the NHL team because I feel like Kansas already does
Speaker 1: my basketball quota. But the reason I don't watch the
Speaker 1: NHL is it really isn't that accessible here, Like ESPN
Speaker 1: barely covers hockey, and there really isn't a team super
Speaker 1: close to the year, unless you count Saint Louis, which grows.
Speaker 2: So you get like some Blues games on local TV.
Speaker 1: Very rarely, and that's on the rebranding.
Speaker 2: Back have a lot of hockey games, though, Ryan, do
Speaker 2: they Okay? Well, I have a lot of NHL games.
Speaker 1: Okay, then maybe that's what I need to check in more.
Speaker 1: I follow the NBA as much as I'd want to.
Speaker 1: I always think I want to watch soccer more. I
Speaker 1: know that's a stake through your heartland, and then I
Speaker 1: just can't get into it. I try every four years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that that the answer is probably hockey.
Speaker 1: That's the one that I look at and think that
Speaker 1: would that would keep my entertainment for a while. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have followed hockey at different times. When I lived
Speaker 2: in Michigan, I watched a lot of the Red Wings.
Speaker 2: I loosely keep up with the Red Wings. I like,
Speaker 2: keep up with the standings and their scores and stuff.
Speaker 2: I don't watch almost any of the games follow. As
Speaker 2: I have talked about on the show before, Northern Michigan
Speaker 2: University having their worst ever season five and twenty four
Speaker 2: in hockey this year, which is.
Speaker 1: Very different like season from extreme their hockey team.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very very bad. I think so hockey. Hockey
Speaker 2: probably would be the answer, Like you. I just if
Speaker 2: another one of my interests just dropped off the planet,
Speaker 2: hockey would be right there. Tennis might be the one
Speaker 2: where I've I've loosely gotten into tennis in brief spurts.
Speaker 2: I watched like the Wimbledon final between Djokovic and al
Speaker 2: KaAZ like two years ago, and that was electric. But
Speaker 2: I can't consistently get into it. But that is very
Speaker 2: much If I really like dedicated to getting into it,
Speaker 2: I think I'd think it's a lot of fun because
Speaker 2: I think tennis is actually sneaky, great to watch.
Speaker 1: Well, and that so fun. Fact, for those of you
Speaker 1: who have listened, Nick wipert very good tennis player.
Speaker 2: He's a very solid tennis player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how he has the patience for
Speaker 1: it because it looks exhausting and difficult. I'm much more
Speaker 1: of a sit there and eat doritos while I watch
Speaker 1: other people play the sports kind of guy. But yeah, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes whenever. One day, hopefully the
Speaker 1: Kansas City has an NHL team, and maybe it'll get
Speaker 1: hot enough here well they'll start playing seasonal tennis tournaments
Speaker 1: here in the wintertime because climate change. Well have you
Speaker 1: seen it just kidding. It's supposed to snow a freaking foot.
Speaker 1: Just somebody shoot me.
Speaker 2: Damnit, damn it, damn it.
Speaker 1: If you ever have asked GARCBS use the Twitter hashtag
Speaker 1: climate change debate, you just to please don't do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Well, okay, so here's what here's what
Speaker 1: Cam said. Cam said he's excited to listen to the
Speaker 1: next show when it opens with Kansas eighty four Colorado
Speaker 1: seventy nine, Landon. I felt more encouraged than the discourage
Speaker 1: from this one. How about you? And Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I laughed so hard at that. That was so hilarious.
Speaker 1: The only thing missing is this music, because Wow, if
Speaker 1: this game leaves us feeling more encouraged than discouraged, they
Speaker 1: better have won by a million. Colorado at number seventeen
Speaker 1: Kansas on Tuesday to eleven at eight pm. This is
Speaker 1: Colorado's only remaining non ESPN Plus game.
Speaker 2: I think because they are atrocious and hopeless Ryan the
Speaker 2: Colorado Buffaloes. They're nine and fourteen, an ESPN Plus worthy record.
Speaker 2: They have zero wins and twelve l's in Big twelve play,
Speaker 2: but their due, so I've been hearing they have not
Speaker 2: won a game since December twenty first, oh my god, Hey,
Speaker 2: that was before I was friend zoned. That was a
Speaker 2: long time ago. When they beat Bellermine, their nine victories
Speaker 2: are eight by opponents, and somehow Yukon, I know, Yukon
Speaker 2: is probably not gonna three peat, much like the Chiefs Colorado.
Speaker 2: Beating Yukon is absurd.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I knew that that was a layoup,
Speaker 1: I knew you'd slam that home, but I was I
Speaker 1: was ready to say, Oh, I wonder who else didn't
Speaker 1: three pete? Anybody know just that total ass whipping the buffalo.
Speaker 1: So I just randomly, like we had about ten people
Speaker 1: over in the family room and they range in age
Speaker 1: from I guess like seventeen to eighty, and right when
Speaker 1: no one really knew what to say, when Mahomes threw
Speaker 1: the pick in the end zone and Philly immediately scored,
Speaker 1: it made it twenty four to nothing, and just it
Speaker 1: was quiet for about eight seconds and the only thing
Speaker 1: that come up with is wow, this is asked to
Speaker 1: our belt to ass just straight.
Speaker 2: And then it was that.
Speaker 1: It was quiet for several seconds after that, as everybody
Speaker 1: kind of pondered that that is that is what everybody
Speaker 1: has done to poor Colorado this year because the Buffalo's
Speaker 1: best player, like it matters, is point guard Julian Hammond.
Speaker 1: That's true. We're definitely really we should be careful here
Speaker 1: where we tread.
Speaker 2: This is where we did against UCF, where we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: they have some players, I guess, and then they lost
Speaker 2: in Orlando.
Speaker 1: I do remember that, though. I think this Colorado team
Speaker 1: is worse. I think this is the worst Big twelve
Speaker 1: team since, like seriously since the since that TCU team, according.
Speaker 2: To which also went super well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say that was also a of
Speaker 1: a basketball game there. Picked up an uber order today
Speaker 1: doing my job at Burger King, and the guy ordered
Speaker 1: to set whoppers and the song went through my head.
Speaker 1: And much like the Jardians commercial, they've changed the original
Speaker 1: beautiful musical score and now it's just not the same.
Speaker 2: That is the most on brand for you thing in
Speaker 2: the world to compare the Burger King add to the Jardians.
Speaker 1: I like the Jardians ad. I like when the postman
Speaker 1: starts singing too, and then they changed it and now
Speaker 1: it's just not Yeah, it's not even Also, by the way,
Speaker 1: leading question Land and hashtag GASCARCV. Should Big Pharma be
Speaker 1: allowed to advertise these these gigantic pharmaceutical proscription on cable TV?
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, capitalism until we die, baby.
Speaker 1: Hey, it sounds like you and RFK have a few
Speaker 1: things in common.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else about Julian Hamm and you'd like
Speaker 2: to tell me?
Speaker 1: Julian Hammon averages fourteen points and three assists. He is
Speaker 1: a good three point shooter, a very good one actually
Speaker 1: forty percent. Javon Ruffan, RJ Smith and White Guy of
Speaker 1: the Year candidate Sebastian his friends call him Sea Bass,
Speaker 1: Rankick are the other wings of note. Also, Javon Ruffin
Speaker 1: is an excellent name. He can be right next to
Speaker 1: Gisel James on the All Big twelve teams.
Speaker 2: Those are good ones. Colorado is a big team. Their
Speaker 2: best big is six ' eight three man Andre Jakimovski,
Speaker 2: who hails from Macedonia. He averages ten and four and
Speaker 2: is a solid thirty five percent from behind the arc
Speaker 2: four man Benga Dack and seven footer Elijah Malone Maloney
Speaker 2: both average about eight and four. Colorado has a handful
Speaker 2: of guys that are six ' nine and taller. None
Speaker 2: of them have particularly good rebounding numbers, though, so maybe
Speaker 2: hundred Dickinson will eat down low.
Speaker 1: I have looked at a lot of college basketball reference pages,
Speaker 1: and it has been a very long time since I've
Speaker 1: seen a team as bad on offense as Colorado. They
Speaker 1: are just terrible outside the top two seventy in points scored,
Speaker 1: and whenever you think of how many buy games they played,
Speaker 1: that should legitimately be impossible, but here they are. Their
Speaker 1: interior offense is especially awful. They shoot a mediocre thirty
Speaker 1: four percent from deep, so they're not as bad as
Speaker 1: you think they'd be from there. They can make threes,
Speaker 1: it's just they get nothing inside the arc. They're a
Speaker 1: good free throw shooting team, though at seventy six percent.
Speaker 1: Don't want to foul them a lot. Their rebounding numbers
Speaker 1: are terrible despite having a lot of size. Their pace
Speaker 1: is among the slowest in the country, so not only
Speaker 1: are they bad, they're also unwatchable. And they average average
Speaker 1: fifteen turnovers per game, which the leads.
Speaker 2: Oh bad.
Speaker 1: Not only does it lead all Power five teams, but
Speaker 1: it's not even freaking close, like that is an impossible
Speaker 1: amount to turn the ball over. Consistently in Power five play.
Speaker 2: Kansas has also to just curb our enthusiasm all the
Speaker 2: way to the top. Here. They've been hilariously dominant against
Speaker 2: Colorado all time, especially at Allen field House. The Jayhawks
Speaker 2: have won a truly unfathomable thirty six straight games against
Speaker 2: this team at Allen, dating back to nineteen eighty three. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Colorado was in the Big twelve for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Also, the last year Kansas lost three straight games the case.
Speaker 2: Date though, Wow, wow, that's crazy. History may repeat itself, not.
Speaker 1: Anymore, It's not sure anymore. Twenty twenty five is now.
Speaker 1: The last time that happened.
Speaker 2: True, Bill self is twenty and one against the Buffaloes,
Speaker 2: and the one loss came on a Pac twelve buzzer
Speaker 2: beater when Colorado had joined the Pac twelve. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember that game. That was in the Wiggans year, the
Speaker 2: first year of this podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the first sign that things weren't going
Speaker 1: to go very well for that team. And then you
Speaker 1: blink and March comes up and their best NBA prospect
Speaker 1: is hurt and the team has double digit losses. Oh,
Speaker 1: being a Kansas fan has gotten so much more sin
Speaker 1: has gotten so much more fun since right right, but.
Speaker 2: Never happened again, Nothing similar to that happens.
Speaker 1: That's then basically Colorado is Drake and Bill's self is
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamark. This is just not even This isn't even fun.
Speaker 1: They got him once and Kansas is like, okay, we
Speaker 1: don't even care. Travis Goff also announced via presser this
Speaker 1: morning that if Kansas loses this game, he will fire
Speaker 1: bomb Allen field House himself.
Speaker 2: Boy, I mean, we set ourselves up here. I don't
Speaker 2: think there's any way on this earth Kansas loses this game.
Speaker 2: Coming off the case eight loss. I think Kansas wins
Speaker 2: eighty six to sixty.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you think they show their fangs a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think they take care of business
Speaker 2: pretty easily here.
Speaker 1: What do you think the spread is? It just came out.
Speaker 2: Minus twelve and a half.
Speaker 1: It is minus eighteen. Kansas is eighteen point favorite in
Speaker 1: a home conference game, and proving points that Cam will
Speaker 1: sprinkle a few dollars on Colorado plus twelve one hundred
Speaker 1: to win. That is not at all how that mast
Speaker 1: should work. That should be like plus thirty five hundred.
Speaker 1: But that's how Vegas makes their money. You'd have to
Speaker 1: wager one hundred dollars on Kansas to win to make
Speaker 1: believe it would be three dollars and thirty three cents. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: don't do it, Just don't do it. ESPN gives Colorado
Speaker 1: a six percent chance to win the game. Yeah, Kansas
Speaker 1: by a lot. Like their offense will look great, They'll
Speaker 1: make a lot of threes, the defense will look great.
Speaker 1: This is yeah, you said eighty six to sixty something
Speaker 1: like that, eighty seven fifty seven. Like they are gonna
Speaker 1: just wipe the floor clean with this team, and it
Speaker 1: will mean nothing because then they'll go to Utah and
Speaker 1: be in a nail bider with two minutes left on Saturday.
Speaker 1: That's next, by the way, nine pm Utah road tip
Speaker 1: coming on Saturday night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what we'll be remembered as the Mormon
Speaker 2: stretch of the schedule.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they get the two Utah schools with Colorado on
Speaker 1: both ends of it. I think other Big twelve games
Speaker 1: Baylor at number six, Houston. We said all the time
Speaker 1: Baylor loses the games that they should lose. This feels
Speaker 1: like one of them. Houston at home, yep, number ten
Speaker 1: Iowa State hits the road to play UCF feels like
Speaker 1: a prime recipe for Iowa State to score ninety eight points.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna say UCF is slightly tempting here
Speaker 2: until I remember that they can't stop anybody ever, So
Speaker 2: Iowa State will win.
Speaker 1: Yep. Utah at Cincinnati. Holy gross, I guess we're going
Speaker 1: Cincinnati for three in a row.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Utah is gonna get that look ahead to Kansas thing, right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna get them off their game. BYU
Speaker 1: at West Virginia probably the Mountaineers at home, but no
Speaker 1: one's gonna watch this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are maybe the two most shrug games of
Speaker 2: all time. But West Virginia really interesting game here.
Speaker 1: Number thirteen. Arizona at Kansas State. So look, I want
Speaker 1: to pick Kansas State really really bad in this game.
Speaker 1: I think Arizona is due to lose and Case State
Speaker 1: is firecracker hot. But just we know how Case State
Speaker 1: goes right after they beat Kansas This feels like a
Speaker 1: twenty two points in the first half sort of game
Speaker 1: for them. I will reluctantly pick Arizona in this game
Speaker 1: of wildcats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this like Arizona feels so primed to lose
Speaker 2: a game like this, but case State off the Kansas win, Like,
Speaker 2: are they gonna get two top twenty wins back to back?
Speaker 1: It'd be three out of four too, because if Iowas yeah.
Speaker 2: Yep, I am gonna want to do it, but you
Speaker 2: really say I'm gonna ride with k State, give it?
Speaker 1: I get tell ema all right?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State at TCU, Gross, that's the most unwatchable game
Speaker 1: of the week. Horn Frogs. I guess Jamie Dixon gets
Speaker 1: back to five hundred yep. Arizona State at number twelve.
Speaker 1: Texas Tech feels like a drobbing is an order here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Texas Tech by thirty ish.
Speaker 1: Other games number five, Tennessee at number fifteen, Kentucky. I
Speaker 1: will lead off and pick the valls. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite things to do. What do I always say, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things to do from a betting angle
Speaker 1: in this land? Do you remember, yeah, when.
Speaker 2: When one team wins on the road, uh, and they
Speaker 2: have the return game, pick the road team again, yep.
Speaker 1: Especially whenever the team that lost at home the first
Speaker 1: time is really good. This doesn't work whenever Kansas beats
Speaker 1: Colorado on the road, and then and then Colorado comes
Speaker 1: down in field house doesn't work there. But in this case, yes,
Speaker 1: Tennessee's very good. I will pick them to win and
Speaker 1: rup I.
Speaker 2: Am gonna take Kentucky here to get off of Schneid've.
Speaker 2: They've played some very up and down basketball. Well, they
Speaker 2: beat Missippi State by a lot, but I'll take them
Speaker 2: to win here.
Speaker 1: Number three Florida at number twenty.
Speaker 2: There's so many schools in all these conferences now, and.
Speaker 1: It was South Carolina because South Carolina hasn't won a
Speaker 1: game yet. They are the Colorado of the SEC.
Speaker 2: Which is still means they're a lot better than Colorado
Speaker 2: because the SEC way better, yoked.
Speaker 1: Way better. Number three Florida at number twenty two Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: I'll go the upset here. Feels like a good spot
Speaker 1: to pick the Bulldogs. Florida off the emotional high.
Speaker 2: Agree.
Speaker 1: Number seven per Due at number twenty, Michigan battle for
Speaker 1: first in the Big Ten. I will take the home team, yep.
Speaker 1: Number two Alabama at Texas. Is this it just in
Speaker 1: there for s's and g's. What do you think?
Speaker 2: I think it'll be maybe a little closer than you think,
Speaker 2: But I think Alabama will win.
Speaker 1: I think Alabama's best team in the country. I'll pick
Speaker 1: them to win every day of the week. Yukon at Creighton,
Speaker 1: entertaining game for second place in the Big East. I
Speaker 1: think that Creighton has a little bit more sasas about them.
Speaker 1: I'll take the Blue Jays at home yep, number No
Speaker 1: nothing here. Oklahoma at number twenty one Missouri. I chose
Speaker 1: this game because we know that Oklahoma isn't very good
Speaker 1: against top twenty five teams, so it's probably easy just
Speaker 1: to pencil in a Missouri pick. But how confident are
Speaker 1: you in Missouri not folding down the stretch. They've never
Speaker 1: been in this spot. They've now lost too in a row,
Speaker 1: both of them games that they were in. Do we
Speaker 1: trust them to get off the schnid.
Speaker 2: Here against Porter Moser I do, I do.
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't surprise me. It really wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: They will put Porter thirteen and Ohero non con play
Speaker 1: three and seven in conference play on his tombstone and
Speaker 1: number nine Saint John's at Villa Nova. I will go
Speaker 1: upset city here and pick the Wildcats. Eventually that Johnny's
Speaker 1: are gonna a game. So many wins in a row
Speaker 1: off an emotional high.
Speaker 2: Give me Saint John's. I think they might just be
Speaker 2: actually really good.
Speaker 1: So it's you and I again on Thursday night. I'll
Speaker 1: be your Valentine's date. I guess to a certain extent
Speaker 1: when we talked about Cannas beating Colorado.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll I mean, by definition, it will be one
Speaker 2: of the best, if not the best Valentine's date I've
Speaker 2: ever had.
Speaker 1: Well, I look forward to you being able to answer
Speaker 1: that whenever you're still on season twenty three of Inside
Speaker 1: the Paint down the Road and I ask you, what
Speaker 1: are your best Valentine?
Speaker 2: Far more deeply dire than than.
Speaker 1: Well, this is Inside the Paint first ever one hundred
Speaker 1: minute episode of this show. Good Lord, I am Ryan.
Speaker 2: Landred, I'm Landing Fields.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'll talk to you on Valentine's Day,
Speaker 1: land and have a good week.
Speaker 2: See them pal by Cam