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Speaker 3: Without any further ado, we are going to bring on
Speaker 3: our guests from the great state of Ohio, where I'm
Speaker 3: sure he is also have been dealing with these frigid temperatures.
Speaker 3: Our guest is James James. How are you doing today, sir,
Speaker 3: Great George, how are you today? Doing very well? Thank
Speaker 3: you very much, sir. Why don't you go ahead and
Speaker 3: take a few minutes and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 4: Well, my name is James. I'm the youngest of four.
Speaker 4: I was born in nineteen seventy six. I actually have
Speaker 4: an older brother your age, and you.
Speaker 1: Know, grew up in a you know, the working class family.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: My mom was a secretary. My father drew blueprints for
Speaker 4: a corporation that no longer exists. So you know, I
Speaker 4: grew up you know, kind of I guess the normal
Speaker 4: you know in the eighties, you know, with without cell phones,
Speaker 4: thank god, So you know, I had a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I was always mischievous.
Speaker 4: So you know, I always question things, and I always
Speaker 4: I didn't like being told what to do and or
Speaker 4: what to do.
Speaker 1: So I got in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm kind of glad that I was
Speaker 4: like that because it just made me question every you know,
Speaker 4: I always ask questions. I'd always ask, you know, why
Speaker 4: can't I do this or why can't I do that?
Speaker 1: So that that kind of.
Speaker 4: Like I think, helped me to like be able to
Speaker 4: open my mind towards you know, learning new things, or
Speaker 4: you know, you hear something for the first time and
Speaker 4: you know it's it's kind.
Speaker 1: Of foreign to you.
Speaker 4: But then I think, you know, I'm the type of
Speaker 4: person that'll think about it.
Speaker 1: And then I'll do some digging.
Speaker 4: For myself because I you know, I just I don't
Speaker 4: want to follow the crowd, you know, like an and
Speaker 4: and uh. When I when I was in elementary school,
Speaker 4: like Michael Jackson was the big thing, and I like
Speaker 4: I couldn't stand it because like I just everybody liked
Speaker 4: it and I just didn't want to have anything to
Speaker 4: do with it. And then you get to high school,
Speaker 4: everybody liked the Grateful Dead. I was like, I hate
Speaker 4: the grateful dead. I don't want you know, I just
Speaker 4: didn't want to fit in with the crowd, like with
Speaker 4: that kind of crowd, like the herd mentality. So so yeah,
Speaker 4: so here we are with the with the flat earth stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, like once you go down, you
Speaker 1: know some of.
Speaker 4: These rabbit holes, you never come back up because you know,
Speaker 4: they just bounced around from topic to topic.
Speaker 1: I think it it kind of my my older brother
Speaker 1: kind of got me.
Speaker 4: Into you know, quote unquote conspiracies when we watched the
Speaker 4: uh I think it was on VHS.
Speaker 1: It was the the JFK movie.
Speaker 4: I think it was at Oliver Stone and Oliverstone and
Speaker 4: Kevin Kevin cos Kevin Costner.
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, So that kind.
Speaker 4: Of opened up my world a little bit too to
Speaker 4: that kind of you know, the term conspiracy theory. And
Speaker 4: and then of course I saw the movie later on
Speaker 4: with Mel Gibson conspiracy theory. But you know, so I've
Speaker 4: always been interested in in in just fringe topics and
Speaker 4: and you know, and I never, I just I never
Speaker 4: something didn't sit well with me, Like in school when
Speaker 4: they when they taught us that we we lived on
Speaker 4: a spinning ball. And I think in the In the
Speaker 4: one of the first emails I sent to you, you know,
Speaker 4: I recall, like, you know, I was in my bedroom.
Speaker 1: Man, I had a.
Speaker 4: You know, like a almost like a beach ball, and
Speaker 4: I was trying to stack legos on top of this ball.
Speaker 4: And I figured if I could balance it correctly, I could,
Speaker 4: I could do it. But I couldn't do it. I
Speaker 4: mean I I couldn't. I couldn't even make like one
Speaker 4: tier stand up. And then I was I would think
Speaker 4: to myself, well, how how is this working on a
Speaker 4: on a ball? Because how are building sticking on the
Speaker 4: bottom of this ball? If that's what they're telling me,
Speaker 4: you know, So it just it never made sense to me,
Speaker 4: and I, you know, and I never really questioned it
Speaker 4: until I heard about the flat Earth about maybe twelve
Speaker 4: years ago.
Speaker 1: And and I'm gonna admit that I trolled.
Speaker 4: I was a troll for maybe uh ten minutes, and
Speaker 4: then and then I, you know, I kind of like
Speaker 4: walked away from I was. I was listening to this
Speaker 4: the Hagman Report. Hagman and Hagman. I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: you're familiar.
Speaker 3: Familiar right then, Yep, they've been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: So the sun passed away.
Speaker 4: I can't remember like how many years ago, but but
Speaker 4: so there was a day used to have the chat room,
Speaker 4: so you know, people were like discussing flat earth and
Speaker 4: I'd never heard it before. So you know, I made
Speaker 4: a smart, smart comment, and I probably shouldn't have, but
Speaker 4: it kind of like, you know, I was triggered.
Speaker 1: You know, I was like, why do people think like this?
Speaker 4: This is ridiculous, Like I've never I've never heard you know,
Speaker 4: I've never heard of it before. So you know, I
Speaker 4: just started looking into it and like eating up as
Speaker 4: much as I could and like listening to like so
Speaker 4: many different people, and you know, just I finally came
Speaker 4: to terms with you know what it is. You know,
Speaker 4: it's it's not okay. I'm not going to say it's
Speaker 4: completely flat, because obviously, you know, we have mountains, but
Speaker 4: I definitely believe that there's a dome about, you know,
Speaker 4: the firmament. And the funny thing is, George is I come.
Speaker 4: I'm a union painter, and I leave. I leave a radio,
Speaker 4: a radio station on particularly for my dogs. It's a
Speaker 4: it's it plays like old music from like the forties
Speaker 4: and fifties. Stuff my grandparents used to listen to and
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever heard this song, but
Speaker 4: this was like a this is just weird how this
Speaker 4: happened because I came home and there played this song.
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of this guy. I googled it.
Speaker 4: I tried to find the lyrics because I know what
Speaker 4: I heard. I can't find any lyrics to this song.
Speaker 4: So I was writing and a down stopping it. But
Speaker 4: his name is Gordon Jenkins, and he the This album
Speaker 4: is called The First Dream and it's from nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 4: and believe it or not, he there's a core. There's
Speaker 4: a line in this song about the firmament and it
Speaker 4: says it starts off and and it's really weird because
Speaker 4: there's so much like imagery on this album. Uh seven
Speaker 4: it's called seven Dreams is the record album. And if
Speaker 4: you look on the on the album cover, there's there's
Speaker 4: obviously they got to have the eyeball, you know, so
Speaker 4: there's the eyeball, and then inside where you're you know,
Speaker 4: your retina would be. There's a time clock and I
Speaker 4: think it's I think it's at seven o'clock seven, and
Speaker 4: there's and there's water like on the on the cover
Speaker 4: of the album.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen this album cover before?
Speaker 3: No, but I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 1: Jordon Jenkins seven Dreamers.
Speaker 3: There's the eye of horse, the clock is said at
Speaker 3: seven o'clock, and the where the seven in the twelve
Speaker 3: would be. They're yellow where all the other colors are orange,
Speaker 3: and orange does have meaning as far as freemasonry goes, Right,
Speaker 3: a lot of very interesting symbolism within this album cover,
Speaker 3: which again, was you said from nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's so it's like once you are open
Speaker 4: to things, you start seeing things everywhere. Right, So I'm
Speaker 4: just going to read real quick, like the first part
Speaker 4: of the song, it's good morning to you students.
Speaker 1: Today our usual lecture, we will defer.
Speaker 4: I have a brand new project, and I hope you
Speaker 4: all consent. It says because we're going on a journey
Speaker 4: to the firmament.
Speaker 1: And that's the first thing I heard when I got
Speaker 1: home today from work. And I'm like, I'm going on
Speaker 1: this podcast today. I'm like, George's gonna love this. I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: what are what's the coincidence?
Speaker 4: You know, I've never heard the song before, I've never
Speaker 4: heard the word firmament put into a song ever right,
Speaker 4: like it was just kids just blew my mind.
Speaker 1: It was like a god thing, like it was just wild,
Speaker 1: just wild.
Speaker 3: That is very interesting because I was about to say
Speaker 3: the same thing. I can't recall any songs that actually
Speaker 3: have the word firmament within the lyrics. The Chicago Tribune
Speaker 3: wrote an article back in twenty twenty one that talks
Speaker 3: about fifty eight years ago when Mitchell Parrish was handed
Speaker 3: Hogy Cargo Sorry Hogy Carmichael's melody Stardust, And I guess
Speaker 3: that song has the firmament with it as well. But
Speaker 3: I'm assuming we could probably count how many songs in
Speaker 3: the last hundred years on one hand that have the
Speaker 3: word firmament on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. And then I got to ignore that
Speaker 1: my mother calling. I will call her back. If I don't,
Speaker 1: I might get grounded.
Speaker 3: But there you go.
Speaker 4: So so here's the funny thing. I go back and forth.
Speaker 4: I have a buddy and he thinks I'm nuts. He's like,
Speaker 4: they'res saying flat, Like every time we talk about it,
Speaker 4: they're saying flat.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, whatever, you know, I'll be the
Speaker 1: you can beat me up on it. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't care, you know, because like it's given me
Speaker 4: thick skin, you know, it's it's teaching me to agree
Speaker 4: with people that don't are, to be civil to people
Speaker 4: that don't agree with me, because I get the whole
Speaker 4: trolling part of it. And at least he you know,
Speaker 4: he doesn't believe in the moon landings, but he believes
Speaker 4: that we're spinning around. I'm like, okay, whatever, and he
Speaker 4: tries to, you know, always, we always debate and it's
Speaker 4: kind of comical.
Speaker 1: But you know, because he can never answer any of
Speaker 1: my questions. You know, he'll just defer it. He'll just
Speaker 1: you know, he just will you just won't answer any
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 4: But he did give me a Admiral Richard Bird Antarctic
Speaker 4: Expedition envelope that was I guess this was mailed from
Speaker 4: Antarctica and it was this is from nineteen thirty four.
Speaker 4: I haven't opened I haven't opened it, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: I can't find what is inside of this, Like I've
Speaker 4: been looking online. I came home after work and I
Speaker 4: can't find it. Like there's something inside of here, and
Speaker 4: I'm half tempted to open it, but.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I think that might like the value might go down
Speaker 4: if I do open it, oh for sure.
Speaker 1: So it's just another mystery. I think I'm just going
Speaker 1: to leave alone.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. I'm sorry, continue.
Speaker 1: Ahead, No, no, no, no, go for it.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I'm still looking at
Speaker 3: this Gordon Jenkins album from nineteen fifty three, and it
Speaker 3: was actually, what do you call the what do you
Speaker 3: call those albums?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: Where they all have a theme all the way through.
Speaker 3: I can't think of the name for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: But they're all about dreams, and there's all and there's
Speaker 4: meanings to all these songs.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, there's seven songs, and it's the first dream,
Speaker 3: the Professor, the second Dream, the Conductor, and you actually
Speaker 3: they do have the songs on YouTube as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, I look, I found him on YouTube. I couldn't
Speaker 4: find the lyrics to to all of them, especially the
Speaker 4: first one, but I noticed that Decca Records. Uh, and
Speaker 4: that's a that's a whole other thing. I listened to
Speaker 4: Mike Williams and you know, he kind of you go
Speaker 4: down the flat Earth, you know, rabbit hole. I think
Speaker 4: he's a flat earther as well. I don't know if
Speaker 4: you've ever heard of Mike Williams the stage of Kway,
Speaker 4: he exposes how Paul McCartney was replaced, but he talks
Speaker 4: about like numerology and like, you know there's something behind
Speaker 4: Decca the tent.
Speaker 1: I was at ten or.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I did, you know, so like so yeah,
Speaker 4: getting back to the flat Earth. I was ten years
Speaker 4: old in nineteen eighty six when they they wheeled that
Speaker 4: TV out in the classroom and we got to watch
Speaker 4: the Challenger. And like I said before, I was kind
Speaker 4: of mischievous, so when it when it exploded, I kind
Speaker 4: of like had a you know, we're a little we're boys,
Speaker 4: you know. I like things that explode, So I kind
Speaker 4: of thought it was like entertaining. And I mean I
Speaker 4: don't think that I was like happy that people allegedly like.
Speaker 1: At that time, I didn't know anything.
Speaker 4: I just I wasn't I don't think I was like
Speaker 4: I had a smirk on my face because my teacher
Speaker 4: was crying and I'm like, why what's she crying for?
Speaker 1: You know, I just thought it was odd.
Speaker 4: But and then I looked at that you know, you
Speaker 4: see like all the astronants but one are still alive
Speaker 4: and the rest of them are allegedly buried at Arlington. Ye, right,
Speaker 4: so I think that's a waste of space. That's a
Speaker 4: pun intended. Uh so, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Obviously at the time, you're you're not you're not cognizant
Speaker 3: of real you know, we don't, we don't, we're not
Speaker 3: that awake at the time. And you know, most people
Speaker 3: think obviously. And it's funny I mentioned that I actually
Speaker 3: talked about this very thing on the radio show this afternoon,
Speaker 3: because you know, every time we do a podcast, there's
Speaker 3: somebody who listening to it, Like this interview we're talking
Speaker 3: about right now will be the first Flat Earth Files
Speaker 3: podcast someone is listening to. So when we talk about
Speaker 3: these things, I may not have any understanding whatsoever we're
Speaker 3: talking about. When we say things like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: the challenger and the twins and the siblings, that's an
Speaker 3: important rabbit hole that people truly need to search. And
Speaker 3: you know, if you try to have this conversation with
Speaker 3: a quote unquote normal, they're going to be visibly upset.
Speaker 3: And what you have to try to tell people is
Speaker 3: and you have to sit down with them and show
Speaker 3: them through history, not just within the last five years,
Speaker 3: not in the last ten years, not the last hundred years,
Speaker 3: but since the beginning of time. You know, this earth
Speaker 3: has been ruled by deception and it is your responsibility,
Speaker 3: especially at this stage, like we were talking about before
Speaker 3: we hit the record button, that critical thinking be utilized
Speaker 3: at every juncture. It could literally save your life. Just
Speaker 3: go back a couple of years ago what we had
Speaker 3: to deal with with COVID. So you know, that is
Speaker 3: the fine line. You know, many of us don't have
Speaker 3: quote unquote awake friends handy to have these type of conversations,
Speaker 3: and we finally do conjure up the courage to have
Speaker 3: these conversations. You have to remember that you're fighting thirty
Speaker 3: forty fifty years of indoctrination, and you do have to
Speaker 3: be careful how you tread. And I think you need
Speaker 3: to almost think of it as if you're sitting in
Speaker 3: a courtroom and it's your responsibility to show evidence right
Speaker 3: without beyond you know, a preponderance of you know, to
Speaker 3: prove this. Yeah, but unfortunately you're against the fight. Like
Speaker 3: you had mentioned with your a friend of yours, if
Speaker 3: you can't answer every single question about creation, then it
Speaker 3: should automatically default back to the globe.
Speaker 1: Theory, right, and he doesn't, he doesn't believe.
Speaker 4: You know, it's and I think in the first email
Speaker 4: I sent, it's like you know when you talk to
Speaker 4: flat when you when you talk flat Earth to somebody
Speaker 4: that believes in the globe, it's it's like talking to
Speaker 4: an atheist about about their creator. You know, they're they're
Speaker 4: they're not gonna believe anything, and you could. And that's
Speaker 4: why I kind of like, I try to not use
Speaker 4: the Bible because they don't they're not gonna. They don't
Speaker 4: believe the Bible anyway, So why would I pull up
Speaker 4: scriptures if they're not gonna they don't believe in that.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 4: You know, there is science out there and you can
Speaker 4: you can prove the Earth is non rotating without the Bible.
Speaker 4: But I just think when I read the Bible now,
Speaker 4: I'm looking at things and I'm like, there's there's more proof,
Speaker 4: there's more proof. There's proof here, there's proof there. Like
Speaker 4: in Isaiah I was reading the other night. I just
Speaker 4: stumbled upon It's in chapter thirty eight, verse eight, and
Speaker 4: it talks about a sun dial like going to ten
Speaker 4: degrees backwards, so the sun returns ten degrees by which
Speaker 4: degrees it was gone down like this, you know, the
Speaker 4: sun dial like that just will not There's no way
Speaker 4: the sun dial is going to work on a on
Speaker 4: on something spinning and moving around like it would be
Speaker 4: crazy time.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't tell any any any time.
Speaker 4: I mean, it would just be it just there's so
Speaker 4: many like things that are like just in your face,
Speaker 4: that are like almost obvious. I mean, I think if
Speaker 4: if people could just apply common sense to a lot
Speaker 4: of different things, then.
Speaker 1: I think they'd get the picture quicker.
Speaker 4: But you know, unfortunately they let their emotions take control
Speaker 4: and then they tune you out. And and I'm okay
Speaker 4: with that, you know, like we're we all are we
Speaker 4: all have a right to our opinion, so I try
Speaker 4: try not to get upset about it. Like my older brother,
Speaker 4: he thinks, you know, you know, he's got he's into
Speaker 4: telescopes and you know, you know, he grew up, you know,
Speaker 4: you get you guys are in the same age, you know,
Speaker 4: star Wars and sci fi and stuff like that. And
Speaker 4: he's like, I've seen Starlink or you know I've seen
Speaker 4: you know, you're telling me that I haven't.
Speaker 1: Seen the you know what, Elon Musks or whatever.
Speaker 4: He's got a whatever, and I try to explain to
Speaker 4: him that that the United States is the is the
Speaker 4: the you know, we consume the most helium, you know,
Speaker 4: and just the satellites being you know, attached to helium
Speaker 4: balloons like that. That's so called Chinese spy balloon that
Speaker 4: was flying across the United States a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: That that's just yeah, I don't know, I don't I
Speaker 4: don't think it was a spy balloon. I think it
Speaker 4: was one of the satellites that was running low on helium.
Speaker 4: And you know, rather than shoot it down where somebody
Speaker 4: could find it and figure out, hey, this is a
Speaker 4: you know, there's a balloon on this thing, what did
Speaker 4: they shoot it down over the ocean so nobody nobody
Speaker 4: would find it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what they ended up doing. And
Speaker 3: of course they had to come up with a cover story,
Speaker 3: and you know, they either blame Iran, China, or Russia.
Speaker 3: This particular case, they blamed China, China, you know, it
Speaker 3: wasn't US. And it would you know, a day or
Speaker 3: two later it was something else in the news. Because
Speaker 3: there's always you know, what you think about bury it,
Speaker 3: you think about that terrorist attack in New Orleans that
Speaker 3: happened on New Year's Day. That was only twenty two
Speaker 3: days ago. And back in the eighties, that story would
Speaker 3: have been in the news forever. And yeah, there have
Speaker 3: been fifty stories since, and most people have forgotten about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's they they like to sweep things under the rug,
Speaker 4: you know, the Smithsonian, you know, they just it's just
Speaker 4: it's there's so much deception out there.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's just crazy. It's just crazy.
Speaker 4: It's a strange place we live, and and there's so
Speaker 4: much mystery to this place that that.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll we'll never really know, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I.
Speaker 4: I'd like to think that there's there's other land beyond
Speaker 4: beyond the the Arctic ice Wall.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think that there's so much mystery out there, and
Speaker 4: you know, and then you know what's under you know,
Speaker 4: there's probably things under under our feet as well, you know.
Speaker 4: And and another reason why, you know, I kind of
Speaker 4: like in the in the ten point the bullets that
Speaker 4: I had written down the you know, in school, they
Speaker 4: give you a picture of the Earth's core. It's like
Speaker 4: wait a minute, Like no no, nobody's ever physically seen
Speaker 4: the Earth's core, So is this just based on assumption,
Speaker 4: which I think it is, but then they put it
Speaker 4: in there as fact, and it's just, you know, I
Speaker 4: just that.
Speaker 1: Never sat well with me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, so I'm supposed to believe a picture and
Speaker 4: that it's it's just when that the the hell hole
Speaker 4: that they drew that they all down in Russia, I
Speaker 4: think they could only get X amount of miles, like
Speaker 4: I can't remember it, and a half a mile he
Speaker 4: could only go so far down and so how It's
Speaker 4: just it's just ridiculous. It's just ridiculous. People just gobble
Speaker 4: this stuff up, and and you know they I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like I was getting into some arguments with my older
Speaker 4: brother and I finally asked him. I was like, do
Speaker 4: you have stock in NASA? I'm like like, like why
Speaker 4: do you defend NASA? I'm like, how you know if
Speaker 4: your wife lied to you two or three times, would
Speaker 4: you still trust her after that? And and like I've
Speaker 4: showed him like all these lies and and he just,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, he gets pissed and it's
Speaker 4: like WHOA, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I kind of I've stopped.
Speaker 4: I've stopped poking them because you know, I'm the little
Speaker 4: brother and I what could I possibly know.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned in passing the Smithsonian right, and
Speaker 3: another tool that is used to mold the minds of
Speaker 3: young children. I remember going there when I was in
Speaker 3: the geez fourth or fifth grade and seeing the dinosaur
Speaker 3: bones and whatever, the moon rock that they brought back,
Speaker 3: and all of this other things that I was just
Speaker 3: exactly that ended up being petrified, would being blown away.
Speaker 3: And then you find out that you know that the
Speaker 3: Smithsonian it's not you know, this government agency, it is
Speaker 3: a private nonprofit organization who man when you look at
Speaker 3: I pulled their tax return last year, they have annual
Speaker 3: grocery seats of two and a half billion with a
Speaker 3: B dollars, and they the money that the people get
Speaker 3: paid there. I'm talking about the top echelon, not the
Speaker 3: people who walk you around, not the people at the concessions,
Speaker 3: but literally the people who's who on the board, just
Speaker 3: huge amounts of money. So it is part a scheme
Speaker 3: to create the lie within the minds of young people,
Speaker 3: but also be like every other nonprofit that I researched
Speaker 3: and I've done search hundreds of them. It is a
Speaker 3: give them more income tax free income, and then b
Speaker 3: to shuffle money to other nonprofits.
Speaker 1: Control the narrative. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's uh you know, how come why is it
Speaker 4: that that you know you can go to and and
Speaker 4: real quick, I just wanted to ask you, like, what
Speaker 4: what do you think about the dinosaurs?
Speaker 1: Do you think that those were like.
Speaker 4: Just large things like pre flood that they found and
Speaker 4: like pieced together they or were they you know, I
Speaker 4: mean I kind of I've heard people say that they
Speaker 4: were like the t rex skull was actually like a
Speaker 4: dragon and they just piece this thing together and because
Speaker 4: it doesn't make any sense, it's got like a little
Speaker 4: ostrich arms for this big you know, like I don't know.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, when you look at things, for the most part,
Speaker 3: things are proportionate in most animals, right, And the Bible
Speaker 3: does mention pre flood that there were great beasts, So
Speaker 3: is it possible that some of those were some of
Speaker 3: the great beasts? Absolutely, it could be possibly. But you know,
Speaker 3: like all of us, like how you mentioned once, you've
Speaker 3: been lied to a few times. You don't accept the
Speaker 3: official narrative. So somewhere between what we think and the
Speaker 3: truth therein lies probably what it actually is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then like you know, you can go to
Speaker 4: a museum and you can look at all this stuff,
Speaker 4: or you know, even if it's a science museum, how
Speaker 4: come there's no working globe models spinning with water sticking
Speaker 4: on it? Like, wouldn't that be one of the first
Speaker 4: things that a museum would have.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Science can recreate just about every hypothesis that that
Speaker 3: is imaginable, especially many on the medical side. But for
Speaker 3: some reason that they cannot come up with a simulated
Speaker 3: and especially with the technology we have today and the
Speaker 3: artificial intelligence, you know, the models that they have, you
Speaker 3: think they would be able to create or or at
Speaker 3: least simulate beyond just a PowerPoint presentation of the heliocentric
Speaker 3: model where I can easily show you our theory. Right,
Speaker 3: it's very plain and very simple. The makes sense and
Speaker 3: it makes sense a locals. And that's the other thing
Speaker 3: we were talking about. How do they measure pardon me,
Speaker 3: to the center of the earth. Well, who came up
Speaker 3: with ninety three million miles? How did we come up
Speaker 3: with that? Right? It's and I'm sure there's science, you know,
Speaker 3: science air quotes behind it. But you know these things that,
Speaker 3: like you said, and that's a great point to make
Speaker 3: to people. These facts are what they present as facts,
Speaker 3: are not facts. There is no way for something to
Speaker 3: be a fact. You have to prove it. You can't
Speaker 3: use a math problem. And that's what Nikola Tesla was
Speaker 3: trying to tell people. Science at the turn of the
Speaker 3: century was turning into math. Science is something that you
Speaker 3: have to be able to exhibit from point A to
Speaker 3: point B, not a math problem where you can backwards
Speaker 3: program to you know, numbers to get to the answer
Speaker 3: that you want.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that that's Uh, there's so much of that
Speaker 4: stuff going on. And uh, you know, even like you
Speaker 4: go to a planetarium and you know, what do you
Speaker 4: you're you're looking at the ceiling. You're not you know,
Speaker 4: and so if this is like it's supposed to be
Speaker 4: a representation of our actual sky, Uh, what happened to
Speaker 4: the globe?
Speaker 1: How come we can't look down, you know, where.
Speaker 4: The stars that are supposed to be under our feet,
Speaker 4: under the ball or to the to the you know,
Speaker 4: to the east or to the west.
Speaker 1: They're always up north right. It's just it's baffling to me.
Speaker 1: It is that that was.
Speaker 4: That was another one of the uh my bullets because
Speaker 4: the planetariums they depict they depict the dome. You go
Speaker 4: in there, you look up and and there's the constellations
Speaker 4: right there.
Speaker 1: You know, it's, uh, it's kind of in your face.
Speaker 4: But but but uh, you know, it's just kind of
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff is kind of in your face.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Then some people, you know, question it, some people a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't. It's just you know, like the
Speaker 4: whole uh, the.
Speaker 1: Whole COVID thing.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 1: I I I.
Speaker 4: Knew that I wasn't going to get sick. I just
Speaker 4: had like this inner piece. I knew it wasn't gonna
Speaker 4: affect me. And I'm a union painter. I'm around, like,
Speaker 4: you know, hundreds of guys, you know, we're all you know,
Speaker 4: And I was like literally right next to people that
Speaker 4: that had COVID.
Speaker 1: I never got it. I never got it.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying there wasn't something you know going around.
Speaker 4: Uh could have been a bio weapon for all I know.
Speaker 4: But all I know is it didn't come I personally
Speaker 4: don't believe it came from from China. I think that
Speaker 4: was let loose by uh, you know, people here, uh
Speaker 4: if anything, but.
Speaker 1: The whole, the whole, the whole narrative, like you know
Speaker 1: that it just it just totally.
Speaker 4: I have never gotten flu shots and I haven't been
Speaker 4: sick in like over fifteen years. I eat pretty healthy.
Speaker 4: I haven't I haven't eaten fast food in forever. So
Speaker 4: you know, I just, uh it kind of like you know,
Speaker 4: once you kind of start questioning that, Like and I'm
Speaker 4: glad that I came upon the flat earth because it's
Speaker 4: just you have a whole new outlook. Like I reread
Speaker 4: the Bible and I and I like, I'm more like
Speaker 4: I'm more interested because like I grew up in a
Speaker 4: Christian home, but like I kind of fell away and
Speaker 4: did my own thing and like just didn't want to
Speaker 4: have anything to do with it. But then, like honestly,
Speaker 4: when I when I discovered the flat earth, it kind
Speaker 4: of slowly reeled me back into wanting to live my
Speaker 4: life better because I actually know that there's a God
Speaker 4: directly above me looking at me.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, it's like, Okay, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: held accountable for my life.
Speaker 4: I better I better get my crap together and start,
Speaker 4: uh you know, start doing the right things. The things
Speaker 4: that I know are right, you know, I just it
Speaker 4: kind of made me more accountable to my to myself
Speaker 4: and to you know, things that I do and choices
Speaker 4: I make, because you know, I was I was alien.
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up. You know, my parents were
Speaker 1: divorced when I was younger.
Speaker 4: And I got in a lot of trouble, and you know,
Speaker 4: I like pushing the boundaries, and you know, so you
Speaker 4: know now I'm just trying to finish the last part
Speaker 4: of my life better than I started.
Speaker 3: Per se, amen, and trust me, many of us went
Speaker 3: through the same cycles, especially as teenagers and young adults
Speaker 3: eighteen nineteen twenty. Some of us guys are a little
Speaker 3: slower and growing up and testing the boundaries of not
Speaker 3: just the rules, but of life. And at some point,
Speaker 3: you know, when you're at a younger age, you think
Speaker 3: you're invincible, and then with age comes wisdom. We know that.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I wanted to point out because
Speaker 3: I'm sure somebody out there was thinking when you mentioned
Speaker 3: that you about using the Bible as presentation for flat earth,
Speaker 3: especially for people who are atheist or say agnostic, right
Speaker 3: that is, And I'll give you an example of why,
Speaker 3: because they will listen, they'll shut down immediately. I was
Speaker 3: on a I was a guest on another podcast I
Speaker 3: don't know, a year and a half ago, but it
Speaker 3: was for The Fact Hunter, and halfway through the conversation
Speaker 3: they started asking questions. They're like, well, well you heard
Speaker 3: you had a flat earth podcast. Let's talk about the
Speaker 3: flat Earth, and that they wouldn't accept any They didn't
Speaker 3: want any proof quote unquote from the Bible because they
Speaker 3: were they were atheists, they didn't believe in God. What's
Speaker 3: interesting to me is many of the people in the
Speaker 3: truth community who were not Christians, who don't follow Christ
Speaker 3: or just again atheist or agnostic, but they do believe
Speaker 3: in Satan, and they do believe in an Erran, an
Speaker 3: inherent evil in the world. So how can there be
Speaker 3: an evil but not a good? Do you understand what
Speaker 3: I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah. They just they don't want to be accountable
Speaker 1: for themselves. I guess that's a.
Speaker 3: Big part of it, right, that they don't have to
Speaker 3: And I'm not I hate using that word. Let me
Speaker 3: just digress. I do think that there is something to
Speaker 3: what you're saying. They don't have to have accountability for
Speaker 3: their actions if their life ends here on earth, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a great point. Yeah, and I think maybe they
Speaker 3: don't understand it, but maybe subconsciously they do. But getting
Speaker 3: back to the main point is, you know, people being critical,
Speaker 3: will you should present biblical evidence to an atheist? It
Speaker 3: comes right with showing people. First I put holes in heliocentrism,
Speaker 3: and then we show them images of lasers being able
Speaker 3: to see too far and all this other evidence that
Speaker 3: we do have, and then eventually it does click with
Speaker 3: them for most people that there is a creator and
Speaker 3: that then you can follow up with the evidence from
Speaker 3: the Bible. And of course, as a Christian you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be, you know, at all times presenting in the
Speaker 3: Gospel of Jesus Christ. But there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: who when they come to this conversation, they just want
Speaker 3: the quote unquote scientific evidence. And fortunately for us, those
Speaker 3: who have been in this community for a long time
Speaker 3: dissect and deflight heliocentrism within minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's there's plenty of evidence scientifically also, you know,
Speaker 4: so it's like you're, you know, if they don't want
Speaker 4: to take it out of the word of you know,
Speaker 4: the from you know, from the Bible. Then there's there's
Speaker 4: plenty of you know, science experiments that have been done.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you you're aware of Rob.
Speaker 4: Skiva and his his experiment that you did on the
Speaker 4: lake with with the with the nikon camera yep, and
Speaker 4: he was pulling those those buildings back in. And then
Speaker 4: there was a big news you know, segment on the
Speaker 4: news that they were saying that it was a mirage.
Speaker 1: Crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That has been played on YouTube throughout the flat
Speaker 3: earth community for the last decade NonStop.
Speaker 1: A little damage control.
Speaker 4: You know what else is crazy as I can't remember
Speaker 4: what what video it was or what podcast it might
Speaker 4: have been, but there was a missile instructor and he
Speaker 4: was on a he might have been on a maybe
Speaker 4: Mark Sergeant or I can't remember. I saved it because
Speaker 4: I sent it to my brother and I saved it
Speaker 4: because it was so compelling, and they I went back
Speaker 4: to look forward again and it was just gone.
Speaker 1: They just scrubbed it.
Speaker 4: I was like, are you kidding me? And I wish
Speaker 4: my brother would have listened to that one video. So
Speaker 4: I have to keep on like carpet bombing and with
Speaker 4: like more flatvs.
Speaker 1: Flatter stuff and did.
Speaker 3: You say the one that you had it was a
Speaker 3: Rob Skiba presentation.
Speaker 4: It might have been it was it was a missile
Speaker 4: and I think it was a Sparrow missile.
Speaker 1: Instructor or he worked on the.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not I can't believe this was so
Speaker 4: long ago, but but but he was saying that that
Speaker 4: this this missile guidance system will would not work on
Speaker 4: a ball. It was calculated to work over a plane,
Speaker 4: you know, flat plane. So it's just I wish that
Speaker 4: they didn't take it down. I mean, you know, then
Speaker 4: I'm then then as soon as I realized that that,
Speaker 4: you know, they're they're taking stuff down, I'm like, why
Speaker 4: why why are they taking you know, why why are
Speaker 4: they censoring stuff?
Speaker 1: Like what?
Speaker 4: You know, there's I guess, you know, we we really
Speaker 4: I don't think we really have. I mean, we still
Speaker 4: have somewhat freedom of speech, but that's diminishing.
Speaker 1: I believe, you know, it's either speech or no.
Speaker 3: Speech exactly, and that is something that people really need
Speaker 3: to embrace.
Speaker 1: You know, what they're doing in China, they want to
Speaker 1: do that here.
Speaker 3: You know, it's social credit score.
Speaker 4: Pretty disturbing, yep, And I don't want to be any.
Speaker 4: I don't have any part of that.
Speaker 3: Uh So, by the way, I did find the video
Speaker 3: for the evolved Sea Sparrow missile, which proves flat Earth.
Speaker 3: By the way, not only does the Sea Sparrow missile
Speaker 3: prove flat Earth, the US Navy rail gun is very
Speaker 3: similar to that, and their ranges are highly classified, just
Speaker 3: like that th H A A D which we had
Speaker 3: in the Patriot community, very highly classified information and even
Speaker 3: you I don't know if you can find them online anymore.
Speaker 3: But the uh, the Blackhawks, they the technical manual upfront
Speaker 3: states you know, this was to be simulated over a flat,
Speaker 3: non rotational earth. It was right in the technical manual.
Speaker 3: And in the military we always say we train as
Speaker 3: we fight, so that always was again one of those
Speaker 3: things when I was in the the the aviation Unit
Speaker 3: back ninety eight to two thousand and one, whenever it
Speaker 3: was I wasn't I was still sleep walking, so I
Speaker 3: was like, huh, that's interesting, and filed her way, and
Speaker 3: it was one of those things that I pulled back
Speaker 3: out when I came awake.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. There there's a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff I think when you look backwards and you
Speaker 1: have that aha moment.
Speaker 3: Yep. I'll definitely put this video in the show notes.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was the exact same one
Speaker 3: that you were looking for, but I'll send it to
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 4: Thank you absolutely, And and you know, I can think
Speaker 4: another one of my bullets was just the shape of
Speaker 4: the rainbow, you know, I mean, it's a proves that
Speaker 4: there that there's a that there's a covering above us.
Speaker 4: You know, that's just how the light behaves. And and
Speaker 4: I've even heard some people say that there might be
Speaker 4: as many as seven firmaments, you know. I don't know,
Speaker 4: you know, but I definitely believe there's one of them.
Speaker 4: There has to be at least one, but you know,
Speaker 4: because of the different colors in the rainbow, but just
Speaker 4: the shape, you know, just and I heard that like it,
Speaker 4: the more south you go, the rainbow gets smaller, like
Speaker 4: the arc or so.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever you know that.
Speaker 3: You know, I've lived all over I've been all over
Speaker 3: the world Louisiana, I've been in Jamaica, I've been in Hawaii,
Speaker 3: I've been in the Middle East, and I've I'm sure
Speaker 3: I've seen rainbows, but that is one of those things
Speaker 3: I never really cataloged that that I wish I could
Speaker 3: somehow recall if I did see one and notice if
Speaker 3: if the sizes were different. Something I've seen. I think
Speaker 3: it was this past summer we were traveling. I think
Speaker 3: I was taking my children to get ice cream and
Speaker 3: there was a double rainbow, and that is something that
Speaker 3: I found very curious. I might have taken a picture
Speaker 3: and put it in the chat room, but that was
Speaker 3: those things always I found interesting as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen that a few times myself, and I wondered,
Speaker 4: what what you.
Speaker 1: Know, how does that? How does that work? Like how
Speaker 1: like what's making this? What's causing this to happen.
Speaker 4: I'm not, you know if I'm not really the most
Speaker 4: scientific person, but you know it just I have I
Speaker 4: have some common sense. And I always used to kind
Speaker 4: of ras my biology teacher because he was a big evolutionist,
Speaker 4: and you know, he he used to he used to
Speaker 4: love to say, you know, we we we all came
Speaker 4: from monkeys, and I'm like, well, maybe you did, but
Speaker 4: you know I was I was always probably saying stuff
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have said.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It kind of saddens me that so many people
Speaker 3: within the science community or atheists.
Speaker 4: It's almost like a pre requisite like they almost like
Speaker 4: have to be to be in the club, like they're
Speaker 4: you know, like they're they're little science club, you know,
Speaker 4: and they're not even in like the big club, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's exactly.
Speaker 3: You're selling your soul and you're not even reaping the
Speaker 3: benefits of the big club. You're just fond of them.
Speaker 3: And you know, everything has to have a logical explanation
Speaker 3: and a scientific meaning, and that's why they support all
Speaker 3: this nonsense like evolution and the Big Bang theory, the
Speaker 3: things that we talk about so often, and they will
Speaker 3: defend it to the end with again just just mathematics, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gravity, I'm tired of gravity, like you can't see
Speaker 4: once you're I've never met a flat earther that has
Speaker 4: ever gone back to believing in a ball, in a
Speaker 4: spinning ball, and I don't think you ever will.
Speaker 3: Well, they tried with that the TFE thing, the final experiment.
Speaker 3: I was looking again, you can't base people individuals on
Speaker 3: their comments in a chat room or not a chat room,
Speaker 3: but like a video. But some of those videos on YouTube,
Speaker 3: people like, well, man, maybe we were wrong. You really
Speaker 3: have to be careful for those people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't. That still doesn't.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that experiment really proved much to
Speaker 4: my opinion.
Speaker 3: Oh, I agree, one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1: But you know, they had to do it.
Speaker 4: They I think that the subjects like dating so much
Speaker 4: traction that like they're just doing whatever they can to
Speaker 4: to try to dismiss it. And you know, it's it's
Speaker 4: it's you know, anytime you have to lie about something
Speaker 4: and try to cover it up, it's you know, usually
Speaker 4: because you lied and you know you.
Speaker 1: Have to cover it up.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's so you know, I remember somebody
Speaker 4: once said, like everything Barack Obama says, like just reverse
Speaker 4: it because he means the exact opposite of what he says,
Speaker 4: you know. So that's how I like interpreted that. But
Speaker 4: you know, I don't, I'm I'm pretty much a political
Speaker 4: I don't. I just I have no I don't have
Speaker 4: any faith in in any of these these uh, these
Speaker 4: governments anywhere. I just you know, I think it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's a shame that like people can't you know, be
Speaker 4: truly free anymore.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's, uh, this is just I
Speaker 1: guess where where where we're at.
Speaker 4: In this point in time, and I think, uh, I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people that do believe in the
Speaker 4: globe are going to be surprised when the when the
Speaker 4: firmament rolls back and the kingdom comes down, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like, how do that happened?
Speaker 3: Yep? And again, if you just take the time and
Speaker 3: you know, pick up a Bible and read it, it's
Speaker 3: it's there for you to understand. And again it's not
Speaker 3: absolutely and you know it tells you to put your
Speaker 3: trust in God, not in man. Man has led us
Speaker 3: a stray time and time and time again. I can
Speaker 3: give you thousands of examples. You want to talk about
Speaker 3: every single war we've been involved in the lives behind that,
Speaker 3: and you know, almost absolutely yeah, and almost every family
Speaker 3: has been has been you know, bye by whether it
Speaker 3: was Iraq, Afghanistan as a storm, Vietnam. Most of our families,
Speaker 3: we've all either had an uncle or a grandfather or
Speaker 3: somebody involved in that. And it does affect your family
Speaker 3: and it affects that person for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3: And that is something that we shouldn't just up another
Speaker 3: another war. We got to send our loved one away.
Speaker 3: We're back. I was just telling you know that these
Speaker 3: wars of effect everyone, and that's just one example of
Speaker 3: the lives.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think people would be like if they really
Speaker 4: knew the truth, they would be a little bit more
Speaker 4: wary about about like you know, like I have a
Speaker 4: big military family, and and you know, it's like there's
Speaker 4: certain things that I just won't talk. I won't say
Speaker 4: because you know that everybody's like God in the country,
Speaker 4: and you know, they're all proud of their their son
Speaker 4: that's in the Marines, or you know, I have a
Speaker 4: I have a you know uncle that's a retired Air
Speaker 4: Force and his daughter's Air Force intelligence now and and
Speaker 4: you know, and then it's it's I mean I used
Speaker 4: to think differently, you know, because my grandfather was like
Speaker 4: a war hero in the Korean War, and you know,
Speaker 4: he wouldn't say he was a hero, but but uh,
Speaker 4: you know, you just I kind of always was taught
Speaker 4: to respect the flag, and and like you know, when
Speaker 4: now it's like I I go to sometimes I go
Speaker 4: to union meetings, and you know, they they stand and
Speaker 4: pledge allegiance to the flag, and and like I just
Speaker 4: I stand up, but I don't I don't want to
Speaker 4: pledge allegiance to a flag. I mean, I just I don't.
Speaker 4: It's something doesn't seem right about about that to me.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's just another one of those one of
Speaker 4: those things where you realize that, you know, we've been
Speaker 4: lied to on so many different levels, on so many
Speaker 4: different things.
Speaker 1: And it's not that I don't I don't like living here.
Speaker 4: I mean, of course, I like, you know, I like,
Speaker 4: I like where I'm at, but you know, it just
Speaker 4: this isn't the way that things we're supposed to be.
Speaker 4: And it's I think it's just you know, I'm ready
Speaker 4: for it too. You know, it's like things are ramping
Speaker 4: up and it's like, all right, just hurry up and let's.
Speaker 1: Get it over with. You know. That's how I feel.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are in the same
Speaker 3: shoes everything that's been happening specifically really since nine eleven,
Speaker 3: two thousand and one. You know, everybody continues to wait
Speaker 3: for the other shoe to drop. And it's again, these
Speaker 3: syops used to be years, sometimes once a generation, and
Speaker 3: now there it's almost a weekly, a weekly thing.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: What's what's next to the grid goes down with cyber
Speaker 4: attack or you know, the the banking industry collapses, so
Speaker 4: we get forced into digital currency and the social credit
Speaker 4: score and all that crap. Like I don't want to
Speaker 4: have anything to do with that exactly, But at the
Speaker 4: same time.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go kick. I'm gonna go kicking and screaming.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, you have to. What was the other bullets
Speaker 3: that you had?
Speaker 4: I uh, just here's another one that you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I've been for the past how many years, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of ever since I was aware of like, you know,
Speaker 4: the that we're not spinning around, Like I'm always looking
Speaker 4: up at the sky and you know, being a union painter,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm up at five o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: We got to be on the job site at six,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I can see the.
Speaker 4: Sun in the moon in the same sky. And I
Speaker 4: would always point my pointed out to my one buddy.
Speaker 4: I was like, if we live on a ball, how
Speaker 4: do you explain that? And he at least was honest
Speaker 4: enough to say, I don't know. So, I mean that's
Speaker 4: just you know that I don't think that should happen, you.
Speaker 6: Know, on a on a on a ball, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: you shouldn't be able to look up and see seat
Speaker 6: both of those things, and you know just how we
Speaker 6: can always see the same constellations.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's I mean I kind of feel like
Speaker 4: I'm regurgitating like all the stuff that like everybody usually says,
Speaker 4: but but those are we're like kind of like.
Speaker 1: The the Georgia guidestone proof. You know then they had
Speaker 1: to blow that up. You know you could look through
Speaker 1: that and see the north Star. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: that that was a total thousand.
Speaker 4: Percent proof that that we're not spinning around. So you know,
Speaker 4: I think it's just you know, it's just common sense.
Speaker 4: You know, people just would apply common sense, then I
Speaker 4: think that they'd be able to to see more and
Speaker 4: realize you know, actually like be able to like you know,
Speaker 4: we've all been lied to, and sometimes when we're lied to.
Speaker 1: We don't know that we've been live to.
Speaker 4: But when you figure out, but when you figure it out,
Speaker 4: when you figure out you've been like to, then you
Speaker 4: know that's where I'm at that I'm like, okay, like, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I can't trust this guy.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. I've heard some dirt on Pat Robertson.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard dirt on Billy Graham.
Speaker 4: I've heard it's you know, and like it's just like wow,
Speaker 4: it's just it's just like it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just everywhere you turn, there's there's there's
Speaker 1: there's there's some.
Speaker 4: Kind of deception and uh but but you know what
Speaker 4: gives me hope is there is truth also, So I
Speaker 4: think I'm trying to you know, because you can go
Speaker 4: down these these different you know, rabbit holes and like
Speaker 4: it's like whoa. Like sometimes I have to take a
Speaker 4: break from it because it's like it's like mental overload
Speaker 4: and and then I have to realize that like there's
Speaker 4: more to this than you know, there's at least I
Speaker 4: have some hope. I know how the story ends. You know,
Speaker 4: there there is truth out there, and you know, you
Speaker 4: can't be afraid to look at the truth. You know.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are afraid to.
Speaker 4: Look at it because they're gonna have to admit that
Speaker 4: they've been lying to They're gonna have to admit that
Speaker 4: they were wrong, and and a lot of people are.
Speaker 1: Prideful they don't want to they don't want to admit
Speaker 1: that they were wrong.
Speaker 4: I was just you know, it's just me I guess
Speaker 4: my personality, like I'm always the first person to admit,
Speaker 4: like if I've made a mistake or if I was wrong,
Speaker 4: like I'm okay with that, I'm not. I don't want
Speaker 4: to be in denial.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't want to lie about, you know,
Speaker 1: being wrong. So I'm definitely not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: About being right because you know that this is just
Speaker 4: importantly you know everybody.
Speaker 1: You know. My mom's like, it's not a seal, you know, because.
Speaker 4: My mom probably thinks I'm crazy because you know, I
Speaker 4: definitely believe in the in in this plane of existence.
Speaker 1: And she's like, it's not a salvation issue.
Speaker 4: It's not a like mom, it's a it's a truth issue.
Speaker 4: It's like, do you believe what the what the words
Speaker 4: stay right there? Or do you not believe it? It's
Speaker 4: it's it's a matter of truth.
Speaker 1: It's you know you're right. It's not a it's a
Speaker 1: good thing. It isn't a salvation issue because you know
Speaker 1: the rest.
Speaker 3: But you know, people say it isn't a salvation issue.
Speaker 3: And while you know, looking at that phrase precisely as
Speaker 3: it is laid out, is correct. But we've heard so
Speaker 3: many examples over the last two plus years where eventually,
Speaker 3: after you know, seeing through the lies and understanding the
Speaker 3: flat plane we live on, it has brought many people
Speaker 3: back to Jesus and God absolutely.
Speaker 1: So, so I guess, yeah, it is a salvation issue.
Speaker 4: But it isn't right indirectly, I guess it just depends
Speaker 4: on the person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, I could.
Speaker 4: It could bring a totally agnostic atheist person to to
Speaker 4: learn about the Creator and the creation and and that's awesome.
Speaker 4: So I think I think it's you know, we're definitely
Speaker 4: living in some in some strange times and and you know, uh,
Speaker 4: knowledge will increase. And I think that's like on all
Speaker 4: different levels, you know, whether it be like the you know,
Speaker 4: the Book of Enoch and you know some of those
Speaker 4: extra those books.
Speaker 1: You know, I just think that the truth will will
Speaker 1: come come out.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes it takes some time, but the truth
Speaker 4: always surfaces no matter what.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So that gives me some hope.
Speaker 4: And then you know another I mean, I know this
Speaker 4: is like on a micro scale, but like I mentioned before,
Speaker 4: like I have aquariums, and I was I moved my
Speaker 4: aquarium like the slightest bit and it just it just
Speaker 4: created so much chaos in the fish tank and that
Speaker 4: I just nudged it, you know.
Speaker 1: And I can't remember how much water weight was in there, but.
Speaker 3: All the dust and all the sentiment from the bottom
Speaker 3: it just turned. It probably dirtied up the water all over.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the fish.
Speaker 4: Are slashing, I mean the fish were moving, so you know,
Speaker 4: then it's like, okay, so so if if we were
Speaker 4: spinning around like, nothing would be able to mate, nothing
Speaker 4: would be able to pro create, because okay, you want to.
Speaker 7: Say, you know, and then it's just it's just chaotic.
Speaker 7: The ball Earth is just chaos. It's just it's totally chaotic.
Speaker 7: There's no peace to it, there's it just it just.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you know.
Speaker 4: There's just so many things that wouldn't I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: able to happen here. So yeah, that's that. That was
Speaker 4: one of one of the other things. I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's just kind of like a small thing. But I
Speaker 4: thought I thought it was like to me because I
Speaker 4: love I love my aquarium and and I just think
Speaker 4: about ocean life, like how the heck if how could
Speaker 4: how could whales mate? Like how could you know anything
Speaker 4: in the in the ocean, Like it's.
Speaker 1: Just I don't think it would work. I just I
Speaker 1: just don't think it would work.
Speaker 3: It's only moving a thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then like you know, like I'm so tired
Speaker 4: of hearing about cylindrical force, like.
Speaker 1: What what is? What does that mean? Like what like that?
Speaker 4: That just that doesn't and you know, it's just like
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's like it's like this the go
Speaker 4: to answer to try to debunk you know, the flat
Speaker 4: earth or or you know, and obviously gravity another one.
Speaker 4: Like so we're just gonna believe in in theories now
Speaker 4: as as facts. You know, I have a lot of theories,
Speaker 4: but they're not facts. I mean, they're just theories.
Speaker 3: But I don't know. And that's the triptal force. That's
Speaker 3: also another creation by Newton.
Speaker 4: Yeah it wasn't uh no, that was Shakes.
Speaker 1: Who wasn't Shakespeare?
Speaker 3: Allegedly William Bacon, Yeah, yeah, William Bacon. I was friend
Speaker 3: with King's James King James.
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, I could believe that or I.
Speaker 3: Always get these stories. Uh maybe I mixed them up,
Speaker 3: but I know Francis Bacon was a Obviously, people think
Speaker 3: that William Shakespeare is a pseudonym and that much of
Speaker 3: the writings were from Francis Bacon, right right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just uh, you know what about all those
Speaker 4: you know, so so basically I think the best way
Speaker 4: to to like another one of my bolts was.
Speaker 1: Is just like all the all the Nassa eyes. I mean, like.
Speaker 4: They've been you know, there's they've been caught in so
Speaker 4: many lies. So that's just proof. That's more proof. It's
Speaker 4: like you have to lie about something that much, whether
Speaker 4: it's like the you know, the the the wires, you
Speaker 4: the harnesses you could you could clearly see like the
Speaker 4: harnesses that they're wearing on the iss.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, there's just like what what are
Speaker 1: they doing up there?
Speaker 4: They're they're just they're floating around like I mean, they're
Speaker 4: not doing anything like they're just it's just it's like,
Speaker 4: why wouldn't they just show Why wouldn't they show us
Speaker 4: doing something scientific or actually like you know.
Speaker 1: Doing doing their job instead of just fart and off.
Speaker 3: Exactly every time you see a video of them, they're
Speaker 3: just spinning around, they're bouncing a ball that you know,
Speaker 3: it's what what are you truly doing up there? Where's
Speaker 3: you know all these experiments? What what is these seventy
Speaker 3: million dollars every single day show us how it is
Speaker 3: helping humanity.
Speaker 4: Right, It's just yeah, I mean it's I think I'm
Speaker 4: beyond being pissed off about it. So I just see
Speaker 4: some of these things and I just I just have
Speaker 4: to laugh because you know, I I just you know,
Speaker 4: life is short, and I and I just I'm not
Speaker 4: I don't want to, you know, I just don't want
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 3: Uh angry twenty four hours a day. It takes away
Speaker 3: from you. You can't.
Speaker 1: There's enough. Yeah, I mean, there's there's enough. There's enough
Speaker 1: to be angry about. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But by the way, Francis Bacon was, I'm.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 4: Just one other bullet that I had was just there's
Speaker 4: zero evidence of curved sure, Like, where where is it come?
Speaker 4: There's no video footage or photography, Like, there's there's nothing there.
Speaker 4: There's I've never seen one shred of evidence for curvature anywhere, Like,
Speaker 4: I just I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: It might be out there, but I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3: The best they can give us as a fish eye lens,
Speaker 3: and they present that to us as curvature.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, they you know, I think that with
Speaker 4: all the lies and you know they've they've been caught,
Speaker 4: you know, filming on Mars.
Speaker 1: Like so we're supposed to go to Mars or we're
Speaker 1: on Mars, but.
Speaker 4: Where you haven't gone back to the moon, Like that's
Speaker 4: just that's asinine, Like how like why like why would
Speaker 4: you go to Mars and not go back to the
Speaker 4: moon if you went to the moon of how many times?
Speaker 1: It's just right?
Speaker 3: Like we can I drive still to this day. I
Speaker 3: live in a rural area, but you know, on bowling night,
Speaker 3: when I when I'm driving to the bowling alley, which
Speaker 3: is thirty minutes away, I hit areas with no signal.
Speaker 3: Yet they're telling us that there's an uh, you know,
Speaker 3: this little machine that is on Mars, which they tell
Speaker 3: us is sixty two million miles away, sixty two million
Speaker 3: miles away, and they're able to send equipment there and
Speaker 3: take pictures, you know, and send it back to us.
Speaker 1: That's just I mean, people believe that.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like I got in an argument
Speaker 4: with my cousin because he's a big tesla guy, and
Speaker 4: it's you know, I did. I actually stopped talking to
Speaker 4: my cousin over this because I was just so mad
Speaker 4: at him. Because he's actually very intelligent, but I just
Speaker 4: I can't talk to him anymore because it all started
Speaker 4: with like the contrails and the ken trails.
Speaker 1: Those aren't ten trails.
Speaker 4: Like I'm like, oh man, I'm like, okay, all right,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I've got.
Speaker 1: An old YouTube uh you know, I've got a YouTube account.
Speaker 4: I've got a bunch of videos that I would go
Speaker 4: out there and I would when they were I mean,
Speaker 4: they still gas us. But I've got all these videos
Speaker 4: and maybe like four four four or five videos and
Speaker 4: these patterns, like no commercial airplane in the right mind
Speaker 4: is going to be flying in these patterns. And it
Speaker 4: looks like someone cro like was doing a croquet up
Speaker 4: in the sky. And it's just now that that that
Speaker 4: pisses me off.
Speaker 1: That stuff. But I mean, you know, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Glad you mentioned that because we got sprayed very bad
Speaker 3: this morning. Probably the worst I've ever seen it. And
Speaker 3: I know I've said that consecutively a few times, but
Speaker 3: the entire sky was sprayed.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: And and you know it's even crazier is if I've
Speaker 4: seen it in cartoons like chemtrails and they're doctrinating children
Speaker 4: with this like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Like I can't remember what the cartoon it is, but
Speaker 1: I saw it in a cartoon. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're putting it in cartoons. They're trying to normalize this.
Speaker 1: You know. I've got a great nephew.
Speaker 4: And he's got this little action figure and the action
Speaker 4: figure has a surveillance camera for its head, and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh man, look at this. They just want
Speaker 4: you to get used to this surveillance. You know, so
Speaker 4: bad they're they're you know, creating children's toys and yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, the history manipulated. You know, that was another.
Speaker 4: Just you know, with the you know, the secret societies
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. I mean, that's the
Speaker 4: whole other topics probably for your other show.
Speaker 1: And I know you do a lot of those, but
Speaker 1: you know, they've all had their.
Speaker 4: Hand in this, and and you know that that was
Speaker 4: just another one of my bullets is like if they
Speaker 4: you know, they're all like behind this agenda and it's
Speaker 4: a secret society, and like the further you dig into
Speaker 4: these secret societies, you know who they worship.
Speaker 1: And you know, so.
Speaker 4: There's definitely definitely so many nefarious things going on, and
Speaker 4: you know, just I just think people need to trust
Speaker 4: their senses more like if you grew up and you
Speaker 4: never were presented a ball, you would never believe that,
Speaker 4: you know, you would think it was absurd.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm you know, I'm not that all. I'll
Speaker 1: be forty nine in March.
Speaker 4: But you know, in elementary school, they pulled the maps
Speaker 4: down in front of the chalkboard, and that's how we
Speaker 4: saw our maps, you know.
Speaker 1: But there was a globe in every classroom though at
Speaker 1: you know. But but yeah, so that that's.
Speaker 4: Just all all the wives, you know, kind of like
Speaker 4: pushes you towards not wanting to believe the spinning ball.
Speaker 1: Stop my dog's going crazy.
Speaker 3: Back then, that's one of the first things that I
Speaker 3: noticed when I finally accepted and woke up to flat
Speaker 3: Earth that you know, you're going back watching every TV
Speaker 3: show going all the way back to the fifties, that
Speaker 3: they plant these in every TV show and every movie
Speaker 3: of course Universal you know, before the movie even starts,
Speaker 3: it's got the spinning globe, and you had that symbol
Speaker 3: going back to the twenties, well before we even quote
Speaker 3: unquote went to space. So it's very interesting and people
Speaker 3: that that is something that I try to tell people.
Speaker 3: You have to understand that is Hollywood is magic with
Speaker 3: ak and it's not necessarily through what you perceive as spells,
Speaker 3: what they show you in the movies, but it is
Speaker 3: creating a narrative in your mind that will help you
Speaker 3: accept the lies. It's laying the ground.
Speaker 1: Lie after lie after lie. They they I can't remember
Speaker 1: who've quoted it.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was Hitler saying, you tell a lie long
Speaker 4: enough or or make it big, big enough and repeat it,
Speaker 4: you know people will believe it. And that's you know,
Speaker 4: it's almost like you know what we were talking about earlier,
Speaker 4: like with all this like the planned the fake moon landing,
Speaker 4: the you know, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: You just keep on telling these lives.
Speaker 4: And lies and lies over and over again, and you know,
Speaker 4: and people people just believe it.
Speaker 1: And uh, I think a lot of people are lazy anymore.
Speaker 4: And it's it's crazy because like, you know, like we
Speaker 4: have all the like there's no excuse because we have
Speaker 4: all the information or the majority of the information in
Speaker 4: our fingertips. But you know, people want to pick and
Speaker 4: choose what they want to believe. And you know, the
Speaker 4: same people that want.
Speaker 1: To discredit me for what I believe. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: where where did you you know? Learn? Where did you
Speaker 1: you know? What? Did you watch a YouTube video? I'm like,
Speaker 1: well what did you watch? You know, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: you're you're watching this. You know you're looking at things too.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to learn, like you know, I'm just trying
Speaker 4: to get as much information and and sort out, you
Speaker 4: know what, what's the most logical thing. And uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I think you know, you really have to kind of
Speaker 4: like keep on digging because you know, there is a
Speaker 4: lot of misinformation.
Speaker 1: But but like I said before, there there is there,
Speaker 1: There is truth out there.
Speaker 4: And and I think when you when you when you
Speaker 4: know the truth, I think you you just it resonates
Speaker 4: inside you, and you know, you know, you know it's true.
Speaker 4: And so that that's that's where I'm at with this
Speaker 4: whole thing. It's it's you know, just still got to
Speaker 4: get up and.
Speaker 1: Go to work. But you know, I I want to
Speaker 1: I don't want to believe. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: lied to. I don't want to. I don't want to
Speaker 1: believe a lie, you know, I you know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people would prefer the truth over a lie,
Speaker 1: and I mean any sane person would in my opinion.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there are some people. I do think that
Speaker 3: there's some legitimacy to the older people get, the harder
Speaker 3: it is for them to take the the red pill,
Speaker 3: if you will, I get that something I wanted to mention.
Speaker 3: You had said you saw Kem trail and a cartoon
Speaker 3: and I was kind of just briefly surfing the internet
Speaker 3: really quick just to see if I could find it,
Speaker 3: and I found an article from the BBC, and this
Speaker 3: is something that I just shake my head. It says
Speaker 3: Keem Trail conspiracy theory. This is the BBC, the largest
Speaker 3: media outlet in the United Kingdom. Kem Trail conspiracy theorists
Speaker 3: the people who think governments control the weather. You know,
Speaker 3: this is nothing new, and if you listen to the
Speaker 3: fact Hunter, you'll know that the Operation Popeye way back
Speaker 3: in the sixties during Vietnam, we seeded the clouds during
Speaker 3: monsoon season on the Ho Chi Min Trail to disrupt
Speaker 3: the North Vietnamese military supplies, hoping that you know, the
Speaker 3: road surfaces would be impassable and landslides all this other
Speaker 3: stuff and harp which they claim is, oh, we're just
Speaker 3: monitoring the hones sphere. Obviously, anybody who is in Ham radio,
Speaker 3: they talk about the honest sphere a lot in the class.
Speaker 3: I think that maybe the firmament, I think there's something
Speaker 3: to that. But the fact that they still do this
Speaker 3: day in twenty twenty five, which is hard to believe,
Speaker 3: we're in twenty twenty five. But to tell people that
Speaker 3: they're ridiculous for thinking the government does not have the
Speaker 3: ability to control the weather is a complete lie. And
Speaker 3: they've been doing so for for sixty years now.
Speaker 4: Right, And you know, people like I don't understand it
Speaker 4: because like I used to snowboard and you'd go to
Speaker 4: the you know, the ski resorts and they got the
Speaker 4: snow machines. So what you're telling me that like like
Speaker 4: things like this don't exist, like they can make snow.
Speaker 1: Like you don't think that they could. They could make
Speaker 1: rain or make you.
Speaker 4: Know, uh, you know that's the the Yeah, the fires
Speaker 4: and what's going on and what went on you know
Speaker 4: in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: And California and you know hurricanes, and.
Speaker 4: I mean see you see some of these hurricane patterns
Speaker 4: and it's like it just sits there. It just sits
Speaker 4: there and gathers up energy and then it's it's like
Speaker 4: it's almost like it's remote controlled.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just how how it can just sit there and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it.
Speaker 4: Just it's it's, you know, it's just going to go
Speaker 4: where it's sent. And I mean, I do think some
Speaker 4: of these things are natural, but I think a lot
Speaker 4: of things are not natural. And you know, and if
Speaker 4: you can play it off like it is natural, then
Speaker 4: you know, hey, we can we can get away with
Speaker 4: with with more lying and you.
Speaker 1: Know, and further our agenda.
Speaker 4: And whether it's the land grab or whether it's you know,
Speaker 4: to mind more minerals, or or maybe they're clearing the
Speaker 4: way for smart cities, who knows. But you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, it's just it's hard to, like
Speaker 4: we said before, it's hard to like, you know, talk
Speaker 4: to some people about this because they're just not open
Speaker 4: minded or they don't have some of the information.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like that's why I'm.
Speaker 4: Fortunate that I get to talk to my cousin about
Speaker 4: this kind of stuff, because we'll be on the phone
Speaker 4: for like four hours just going back and forth you
Speaker 4: know about like things that we've learned or things that
Speaker 4: you know, what do you think about this?
Speaker 1: Or what do you think about that? So I think
Speaker 1: he's going to be a flat earther pretty soon because
Speaker 1: I keep.
Speaker 4: On sending him some really compelling evidence and and like
Speaker 4: I said before, you know, he's actually willing to look
Speaker 4: at it and and not and not just you know,
Speaker 4: throw it under the rug or ridicule me like my
Speaker 4: other cousin.
Speaker 1: So so so it's.
Speaker 4: Like, at least I have one one person that I
Speaker 4: could talk to about it, and that I don't feel
Speaker 4: crazy because uh, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I think I I know, I think I know.
Speaker 4: One person who who who's a flat earther, and uh
Speaker 4: that's it that as far as I know. But I
Speaker 4: think I have a buddy on Instagram that I went
Speaker 4: to high school with, and I I got off a Facebook,
Speaker 4: and I know Instagram isn't that much better, but I
Speaker 4: just was getting censored on on faces and death book.
Speaker 4: So I was like, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 4: be part of this anymore, So.
Speaker 1: I delete the book.
Speaker 4: So I deleted my uh, I deleted my accountant so
Speaker 4: and then and then uh, you.
Speaker 1: Know, because I get rid of.
Speaker 4: Que for like all the flatter stuff that I post,
Speaker 4: like i'd get, you know, my friends would like some
Speaker 4: of my my friends would pick on me and make
Speaker 4: fun of me, and like, you know.
Speaker 1: Just whatever I get it, I've got. I've learned to
Speaker 1: get pretty thick skin over this. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: good character builder, I think, in my opinion.
Speaker 4: But on Instagram, one of my buddies from from from
Speaker 4: high school has been, you know, sending me some stuff too,
Speaker 4: so I'm pretty sure he believes, you know that that
Speaker 4: we're not spinning as well, So so that that kind
Speaker 4: of gives me hope.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of.
Speaker 4: More, a lot more people are waking up and and
Speaker 4: realizing that, you know, like whether it's like.
Speaker 1: Nine to eleven or you know, whatever, take your pick,
Speaker 1: you know that we're being lied to.
Speaker 4: And you know, and it's it's kind of I you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's nice to know the truth when you find
Speaker 4: the truth, but but also like in the same breath,
Speaker 4: it's like, what, you know, there's some things that we're
Speaker 4: not going to be able to do anything about out
Speaker 4: but we can at least spread the awareness and have
Speaker 4: people like, you know, maybe try to think for themselves,
Speaker 4: and you know, the next thing, the next scheme that
Speaker 4: comes around.
Speaker 1: You know, it would be nice if everybody could just
Speaker 1: stand up.
Speaker 4: And say we've had enough and or you know, we're
Speaker 4: not going to We're not going to take this anymore.
Speaker 1: But you know that probably won't happen.
Speaker 3: That's why they're dividing conqueror scheme. They're number one. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, Democratic versus Republic is so important to them.
Speaker 3: As long as we're fighting amongst each other, that divers
Speaker 3: the attention from them, and they're evil.
Speaker 1: It's been working. It's been working too well.
Speaker 4: And it's it's sad because you know, people have all
Speaker 4: this faith and I'll just wait.
Speaker 1: Till Trump gets in there, and then you know, I'm
Speaker 1: in the Union and a.
Speaker 4: Lot of people are like Trump's going to get rid
Speaker 4: of the Union. I'm like, first of all, the Union's
Speaker 4: been here for one hundred years. It's not going anywhere.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just not a stop. And then you know,
Speaker 4: I've got you know, yeah, it's people just oh man,
Speaker 4: they would argue over politics at work about you know,
Speaker 4: it's like it's not worth that. You guys are just
Speaker 4: wasting your time and energy, and it's just yeah, it's
Speaker 4: just I don't want to be part of that SIP
Speaker 4: system or that game, or it's.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm just going to be a good slave for
Speaker 8: now and go to work and you know, to get
Speaker 8: my forty plus hours and say my taxes like a
Speaker 8: good boy.
Speaker 3: It's still to me, it's mind blowing. If you just
Speaker 3: sit down, you know, turn off all the distractions and
Speaker 3: realize that they are lying to you. They have lied
Speaker 3: to you about landing on the Moon. They lied to
Speaker 3: you about having the rover on Mars, they lied to
Speaker 3: you about an international space station, all of these things.
Speaker 3: Just comprehend how much money has been stolen from taxpayers
Speaker 3: over the last sixty plus years, however long it's been
Speaker 3: and has going into this if you truly break it
Speaker 3: down to this evil agenda of deception, Right, Satan can't
Speaker 3: pick up a beer and put it in your hand.
Speaker 3: You have to invite Satan in. And all of these
Speaker 3: deceptions lay the foundation. Just maybe in the back of
Speaker 3: your mind. He can get you to question is they're
Speaker 3: really a god? And to question your faith? Right, well,
Speaker 3: you know, if there's outer space and there's life on
Speaker 3: Mars and this and that and the other thing, you know,
Speaker 3: it starts to question your faith. So keep your faith
Speaker 3: strong and question man and his lies. There's no rover
Speaker 3: on Mars, you know it is. The Bible is very
Speaker 3: clear that it's in the firmament. And going back to
Speaker 3: your great point about the Georgia guidestones. You know we're
Speaker 3: spinning at all these incredible speeds and rotating. Yet every
Speaker 3: single night, it doesn't matter what day of the year
Speaker 3: it is. You can poke, you know, your eyeball through
Speaker 3: that little hole and there is the North Star. At
Speaker 3: some point you just have to trust what you see
Speaker 3: and feel absolutely.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah.
Speaker 4: They then then damage control comes and blows it up.
Speaker 4: Was it on birth on Bush's birthday?
Speaker 3: That's right, Bush? And by the way, it was it
Speaker 3: debuted on Skull and Bones Day? What was it? March
Speaker 3: twenty second? Three to two is the symbol of skull
Speaker 3: and Bones nineteen eighty and it was dismantled blew up
Speaker 3: on July sixth, twenty twenty two, which was George W.
Speaker 3: Bush's birthday. And he is, along with his father and
Speaker 3: grandfather Prescott skull and Bones.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, you gotta love it.
Speaker 4: Gotta love the Masons and the Shriners and uh, you
Speaker 4: know they look they look nice on TV when they
Speaker 4: when the children, But you know that's uh yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know about all that. I just you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a whole.
Speaker 3: It sure is, sure is. As we start to wind down,
Speaker 3: was there anything else that you had noted that you
Speaker 3: wanted to mention?
Speaker 1: Let me look, I don't.
Speaker 4: I think we had the I think we spoke about
Speaker 4: a lot about everything that I had written down. Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I just I wanted to try to like come up
Speaker 4: with some original ones. But I really I don't think
Speaker 4: I really brought anything to the table that somebody else
Speaker 4: hasn't already said.
Speaker 3: No, I thought you brought a lot to the table
Speaker 3: new and at the same time you've refreshed many things.
Speaker 3: And again I always say that every podcast, right the
Speaker 3: newest podcast is somebody's maybe they just found flat Earth.
Speaker 3: So it's important that we put these, you know, the
Speaker 3: basics on the table often. And for those who this
Speaker 3: may be your very first you know, this episode, if
Speaker 3: it's your first one, when you're done listening, please do
Speaker 3: go back and start with episode one and why the
Speaker 3: lie and why the deception and understand that this is
Speaker 3: much more than just money and power here on earth,
Speaker 3: that this is a battle for.
Speaker 4: Souls, definitely, as definitely as I appreciate you getting back
Speaker 4: to me, and uh, you know, and and for the
Speaker 4: for the for the time, and and you're you know,
Speaker 4: you're I would say thank you for your service, but
Speaker 4: I'm going to say thank you for your service with
Speaker 4: The Fact Hunter and this podcast, because I think that is.
Speaker 1: What really counts.
Speaker 4: And you're doing your country a great service by by
Speaker 4: your by both your podcasts, and and I think it's
Speaker 4: a very brave thing to do to put yourself in
Speaker 4: the in the crosshairs because uh, I'm sure you get
Speaker 4: a lot of uh you know, I'm just assuming. I'm
Speaker 4: sure you might get some nasty emails, and I'm sure
Speaker 4: you have to deal with a lot of unpleasant things,
Speaker 4: you know, being said and your your character being questioned,
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, I would just say encourage you to.
Speaker 1: Like keep on doing it because you know we need it.
Speaker 4: And the Fact Hunter is awesome, by the way, it's
Speaker 4: it's I listened all the time, and uh it's yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just a great place to to get some truth
Speaker 4: and you know it's all there, you lay it out awesomely,
Speaker 4: And I've learned a lot of things on your on
Speaker 4: that show.
Speaker 1: You know, even I didn't know about Operation Sea Spray.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well there's another walking.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Way back in the fifties, they literally poised in the
Speaker 3: entire city of San Francisco. Uh, they wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well let's go back seven years. So imagine
Speaker 3: that they very well could have done that with that
Speaker 3: could have been COVID right that maybe seventy years ago
Speaker 3: with Operation Sea Spray was one of the very first
Speaker 3: tests which led to twenty twenty and it's infancy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they had to test it on you know, they
Speaker 4: were just guinea pigs, you know, unfortunately, but uh, you know,
Speaker 4: as my great grandmother said, every dog will have its day,
Speaker 4: that's right.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's just it's it's just.
Speaker 4: Gonna happen, and we just have to battle through it
Speaker 4: and and get the truth spread and you know, make
Speaker 4: people think, you know, make.
Speaker 1: People use their brains.
Speaker 4: And actually, you know, I think you know a lot
Speaker 4: of people got their their faces to their phone and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, they're just I tried to I've been limiting
Speaker 4: my my screen time. I put my phone down a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, I left the house without my
Speaker 4: phone and and I just I didn't even turn around
Speaker 4: to go get it. I didn't want it. It's like
Speaker 4: a bell around my neck, you know. I just I
Speaker 4: just want to I don't want to respond to a
Speaker 4: text message.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to take a phone call.
Speaker 1: I just sometimes you.
Speaker 4: Got to reconnect with with peace and quiet and and uh,
Speaker 4: yeah that's what that's around at. So yeah, I appreciate
Speaker 4: you taking my call, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was awesome to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned in my email, I felt, you know.
Speaker 3: Like you.
Speaker 1: I've listened I first stumbled upon.
Speaker 4: You and asked July, and I've like Binge listened to
Speaker 4: like the Flatter Files and now I'm under the fact
Speaker 4: Hunter and it's you know, after you, I hear you
Speaker 4: like every day and and at work, you know, I
Speaker 4: got through my earbuds.
Speaker 1: It's like, man, I feel like I know him somehow
Speaker 1: and like you know, and then like it's like I
Speaker 1: was really sad when I heard that Rob Skiba died.
Speaker 4: Like I was like really sad, like man like because
Speaker 4: I listened to him like all the time, and and
Speaker 4: I felt like I knew him too, so so yeah, it's.
Speaker 10: Just it's I'm glad that I've got something like constructive
Speaker 10: to to listen to at work and something that like
Speaker 10: it's uh, it's always something different on on the Fact Hunter,
Speaker 10: and it gives me a lot of things to think about.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I keep on doing it, man, don't stop.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it, and we'll continue h chugging along.
Speaker 3: And I'm so thankful that all of the guests, including yourself,
Speaker 3: who have come on and shared their journey to the truth.
Speaker 3: I'm very humbled and it and you know, we will
Speaker 3: certainly keep on going as long as people want to
Speaker 3: come on here and do this. And again, thank you,
Speaker 3: God bless you for your time and you take care
Speaker 3: of yourself. For James, I'm George, don't forget. If you'd
Speaker 3: like to join the podcast like James did tonight, please
Speaker 3: drop us an email. It is fe Files guest at
Speaker 3: gmail dot com. And again please do stop by the
Speaker 3: website and say hello. Check out all the information the
Speaker 3: Flat Earthfiles dot com. For James, I'm George. God bless
Speaker 3: you all. Keep your head on a swivel and until
Speaker 3: we meet again, my friends, we will.
Speaker 4: See you.
Speaker 1: I know it's been a struggle. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've had spain. I know you feel the tie hell
Speaker 1: down all the way.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: You feel them.
Speaker 9: You smile ain't the same, that's all well go from
Speaker 9: you feel like you've lost your way.
Speaker 11: Don't give it.
Speaker 1: No, don't give it and never is home.
Speaker 11: Don't let call the primise.
Speaker 1: It ain't done yet. He's got up, glad. Why it's
Speaker 1: a way time got up?
Speaker 12: Let me come? Why wait?
Speaker 11: God, rec.
Speaker 9: I can see the street beside you. Child's are putting
Speaker 9: up five. Oh, you're stronger than any thing. You guy,
Speaker 9: You're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead found
Speaker 9: you the fool you shove in ride. Yeah, you're lifting
Speaker 9: the breathing move you can hold your head a pie.
Speaker 1: Don't give up. No, don't give in, never lose home.
Speaker 12: Don't let gone on the primies.
Speaker 11: It ain't done Yet's God, I'm play why some wavetel
Speaker 11: the god of me? Come, don't give up nor don't
Speaker 11: give in. You never lose home. Don't let go on
Speaker 11: the primies. It ain't gonfe it's worth living. Why's a
Speaker 11: way down?
Speaker 9: The God up?
Speaker 1: Mabel?
Speaker 11: Why surprase down?
Speaker 9: Got up?
Speaker 12: Oh yes, what sur praise.
Speaker 5: Down the God?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gott.
Speaker 5: Don't give up, No, don't give in, never lose home.
Speaker 5: Don't they go of the primis? I mean and done?
Speaker 5: Yeah's God, I planning, watch dog kind of ivy cot
Speaker 5: and don't give no dog giving But whatever its home,
Speaker 5: don't let.
Speaker 1: Go of the primes. It ain't done. Love's worth living
Speaker 1: in works and died.
Speaker 12: The God of ever records, Ah, the God of needs.
Speaker 5: Why don't God?
Speaker 3: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.
Speaker 1: Just the facts, ma'am.