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Nopea's necessary weight. 42 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.000 We're phitted my condition. 43 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:15.159 You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking 44 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:18.280 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 45 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:25.599 written about them. Gasey Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker DTK. Every 46 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.319 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 47 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:33.960 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 48 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:47.759 journalist and author Dan Zufanski, Good evening. 49 00:02:48.879 --> 00:02:52.639 We never lock our doors. This is an often heard 50 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.719 remark expressing a commonplace American attitude or belief that, despite 51 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:02.080 whatever danger might prevail in public spaces, life inside our 52 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.800 own homes remains, or at least should remain safe, care 53 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:11.080 free normal. This book covers thirteen high profile cases in 54 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:14.479 which evil paid an untimely visit and found the entrance 55 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:20.280 open when everything was normal until it wasn't. Cases include 56 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:26.599 Tommy Lynn Sells, Josha Comerzowski and Stephen J. Hayes, Paul Klaus, 57 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:33.719 Richard Ramirez, Richard Trenton, Chase, Danny Rowlings, and others. The 58 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.400 book they were featuring this evening is Through an Unlocked 59 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:40.520 Door in Walk's Murder with my special guest, journalist and 60 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.840 author Kevin Sullivan. Welcome back to the program, and thank 61 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:49.120 you very much for a greensiness interview. Kevin Sullivan, Oh, 62 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.319 thank you, Dan. It's always good to be on the 63 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.639 show with you. We always have a good time and 64 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:57.960 or you sure review the books, you know, before the 65 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.840 office come on, because you've got all things lined out 66 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:03.000 and all the questions ready to go. And I really 67 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:06.599 appreciate that. Well, thank you very much. It's my extreme 68 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.479 pleasure because I wouldn't want to miss a word of 69 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:11.439 some of the stuff you've written. This book is a 70 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.800 fine example. Like I said before we got on the air, 71 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.199 this thing is jam packed with details and a lot 72 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:21.000 of the stuff. For those people that think they've read everything, 73 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.800 You've covered some things and in I got to warn 74 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:26.800 people graphic detail. 75 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:29.160 So let's get right to this. 76 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.120 This is through an unlocked door. In Walk's Murder, we 77 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:35.399 did a little bit of an introduction, but not really 78 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:38.160 so as you do in the introduction, tell us a 79 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.439 little bit. You said your father was an attorney, so 80 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.759 you came to some of this honestly. And also there 81 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.480 was an incident in nineteen sixty seven that occurred around 82 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:49.920 your home, so tell us about that. How you came 83 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.439 to true crime, and then how you came to want 84 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:54.800 to do this book and why. 85 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.279 Sure, Yeah, I kind of got an early start with 86 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:06.439 true crime. I don't know it. Normally children don't pick 87 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:10.560 up books adult books and read about crime, but My 88 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.560 father was an attorney. He had a very large library 89 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.959 in our home and at the age of ten, I 90 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:21.879 can still remember this. I'm sixty three now, but at 91 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:25.079 the age of ten, I picked up a book off 92 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.800 of his shelf and it was called The World's Worst 93 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.680 Murderers by a British author named Charles Franklin, and it 94 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.839 was published in nineteen sixty five in England and also 95 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:38.519 had a publication over here that same year, and so 96 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.160 I took the book off the shelf I started reading it. 97 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.319 I hadn't read an adult book before. I didn't know 98 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:47.879 a whole lot about murder, and I knew people sometimes 99 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:52.279 harmed other people. But I found that it took me 100 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.000 about three weeks to read the book, and I remember 101 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.680 having to stop a number of times, asking my mother 102 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.399 certain words, what they had to put out and what 103 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.399 they meant, as you can imagine a ten year old 104 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:06.199 kid having to do. But I got through the book 105 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:09.439 and I was just fascinated by it. And the thing 106 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:15.279 about the crime was these murders. The two things that 107 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:18.600 got me. Number one, it was the terrible people that 108 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.319 were committing them and the folks that were being murdered, 109 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:25.360 and very often they just didn't see it coming. They 110 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.480 were the innocent people. And that made a really great 111 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.800 impression on me. And so through the years I kept 112 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.759 reading through crime, and I would read about war and 113 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:37.480 things like that, because my father was in World War Two, 114 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.000 his brother was killed in World War two, his uncle 115 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.360 was killed in World War two. So I grew up 116 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:47.279 hearing these stories and reading about conflicts. But true crime, 117 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:49.879 I never got away from it, and I just it 118 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.680 was something that is always there. It's always around us. 119 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:58.519 You read it every day in the newspaper. And there 120 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:03.000 was an incident that happened when I was twelve in 121 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.720 nineteen sixty seven, and we lived about a mile and 122 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:10.319 a half from the A and P. Grocery store, which 123 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:13.319 was on boards Down Road, and I guess maybe we 124 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.680 were just about a mile from there. And I used 125 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.120 to go in that store at least a couple of 126 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:22.839 times a week with my mom and she would do 127 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:25.319 her shopping. I would, you know, walk along with her whatever. 128 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:31.600 And there was a robbery there one night. We were 129 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.120 not there, and in fact, I don't think it was 130 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:40.519 even dark yet, but four men had robbed the place, 131 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:46.040 and a police officer with the Louisville Police department chased 132 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:52.600 these men and cornered them basically across the street towards 133 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.720 the side of the building in a parking lot, and 134 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.000 you know, just these these men just did not get away. 135 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.399 But there were four of them, and I think it's 136 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.680 always thought there was a fifth involved that had gotten away, 137 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:10.360 but four of them that were right there when the 138 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:14.480 shooting occurred. The police officer, his name was William Meyer. 139 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.839 He had cornered three of them and apparently one he 140 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.240 didn't corner, and this one man shot and killed him. 141 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:26.560 And I remember being affected by that. Again. I had 142 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:29.759 started reading true crime when I was ten, but I mean, 143 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:32.639 here's a place where this occurred. It's near my home, 144 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:38.480 and it just it was something. So when these men 145 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:42.080 came to trial, I asked my father if he would 146 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:46.919 allow me to go and sit in on the trial 147 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:49.039 for at least a portion of it, maybe for a 148 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:52.600 day or two. I would like to see it. And 149 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.960 he said that that would be okay. And I remember 150 00:08:56.039 --> 00:08:59.159 he took me down there. He told me three times 151 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.720 not to leave my that he'd be back to get 152 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:04.600 me for lunch, and just to make sure, he told 153 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.279 a court bailiff that he knew to keep an eye 154 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.440 on me, and this man did. And I remember sitting 155 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:13.840 there looking at these men, and you know, one or 156 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.679 two of them were slouching in their chairs, and I 157 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:18.960 kept thinking, they all to sit up straight, and why 158 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.039 didn't their parents teach them better? I mean, this is 159 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:23.720 how a twelve year old thinks. Well, I guess it 160 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:26.159 was by the time the trial occurred that this was 161 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:31.000 I get the thirteen and so, you know, it was 162 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.600 just one of those things. My interest was always there 163 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.639 and I could never get away from it. Now was 164 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:42.120 a vocation. Later I grew up, became educated, and I 165 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.679 went into to the ministry for years and I'm still 166 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:50.480 ordaining and that's still conducted, and so I'm busy in 167 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.960 that world. And I'm also busy in the writing world 168 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:56.639 with true crimes and occasionally things having to do with history. 169 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.159 But that's where it all began when I was just 170 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.159 a child, and it just kind of got a hook 171 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:06.440 in me and it resonated, and so it's writing about 172 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:09.080 true crime. It's still with me today. I'm not just reading. 173 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:10.679 I've been writing about it for years now. 174 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:17.559 So how do you come to what do you notice 175 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:20.879 in true crime that seems to be a pattern from 176 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.360 reading it for so long and noticed that as a 177 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:27.799 as a gifted writer, you say, well, deez, I've never 178 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:31.039 read anything like this, and then you just you know, 179 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.200 you've come up with the idea of writing a book. 180 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.759 How does this have an idea come how does it 181 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:37.240 come about? 182 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:43.200 Well? Through an Unlocked Door was a book that I 183 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.279 had wanted to write about for many years, but I 184 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.399 never could get around to it because there was always 185 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:53.000 something else that needed to be done. But it was 186 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:56.720 always in the back of my mind, and I remember 187 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:02.320 cataloging within my mind. I would often hear about crimes. 188 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:05.360 Now even understand a lot of murders, they occur outside 189 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:07.600 the home. They would have nothing to do with unlocked 190 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:13.759 doors or or unlocked windows or not having your house secured, 191 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.159 but they would occur outside the home. Okay, And most 192 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:19.200 of the murders I write about are that way as well. 193 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:25.840 But I've always found it rather sinister when you think 194 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:32.440 of someone creeping into somebody's home and awakening them for 195 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:36.080 reasons of not just stealing from my house, but to 196 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.279 commit violence and murder. And I know that I kept 197 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.559 running track in my head about things over the years, 198 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:49.759 and although I never saw any books written about murders 199 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:53.159 that occur when there's easy access into the home because 200 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:57.320 of the unlocked door. But I kept cataloging it. So 201 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.440 when I decided to write this book. I have six 202 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:06.039 different publishers, but McFarland, who was the publisher of my book, 203 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:10.440 The Bundy Murders. Uh, they had started they've started a 204 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:14.000 new imprint called Expositive Books, which deal a lot with 205 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:17.240 true crime. And uh, they had been asking me to 206 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:19.840 do a book for quite some time, and I just 207 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.399 you know, it just didn't work out. And so we 208 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.600 were talking and we uh I decided I asked him 209 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.799 if I gave them the idea of this book, and 210 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:32.480 and and we hammered out of the deal. And so 211 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.080 I signed a contract and well the book and I thought, good, 212 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.080 I'm going to finally be able to dig into this book. 213 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.480 And then as I started to uh pull cases out 214 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.360 from all different directions, Uh, you know, there's just just 215 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.080 so many things what people do. Is the you know, 216 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:52.679 the thing I discovered about uh murders that occur in 217 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.399 when they enter through unlocked doors and windows where the 218 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:01.480 home has not been secured. There seems to be a 219 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.320 mindset like I don't know how it is in Canada 220 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.639 or in some other countries. It's probably very similar to 221 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:12.480 the United States. But there seems to be something intrinsic 222 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:17.360 about the United States where many people in this country, 223 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:22.200 for whatever reasons, don't lock their doors, especially in the 224 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.399 better areas. Now, folks who normally have to live in 225 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:29.480 high crime areas, they're pretty smart about it, and they'll 226 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:32.159 lock their doors, not all of them, but they're better 227 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:38.440 at it. But I've written books on before where I 228 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.480 was covering cases where the occasional unlocks would come up 229 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.240 and I would write about it. And I remember I 230 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.519 was talking to a district attorney in Pennsylvania, and I've 231 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.879 included this in my book about the Alec Rider murders. 232 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.840 And the district attorney said that, of course, and you 233 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:59.200 can see this in the record, that when this kid 234 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:03.879 named Alec, who was sixteen, when he sneaked into his 235 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.720 friend's house in the middle of the night with his 236 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:10.799 best friend with the intention of murdering him and the 237 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:15.360 entire family, he knew he would have no resistance because 238 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.159 they kept their doors unlocked at night, and he walked 239 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:22.759 right in and the slaughter began. Well, I was discussing 240 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.399 this with the district attorney, because what's in the record 241 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:31.240 is everybody was absolutely freaking out afterwards, and everybody in 242 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:35.080 the neighborhood and in the surrounding area began not just 243 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.080 locking their doors, purchasing more locks. If they didn't have 244 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:42.080 a handgun, they purchased one or a shotgun, or if 245 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:45.600 they did, they bought more ammunition. And some people were 246 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:50.480 so terrified. I'm thinking of one man in particular. He 247 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:52.879 couldn't sleep at night and he would stay up and 248 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.159 look out of his window to see if anybody was coming. 249 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.399 But as I discussed this with the district you know, 250 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:04.279 he said, but you know, after a while, things got 251 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:07.039 back to normal, and a lot of these very same 252 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.360 people would not be so diligent as to lock their 253 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.600 doors again, and a lot of people are leaving their 254 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.600 doors unlocked. So it's an odd thing for me to 255 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.879 see this, and as a crime writer, because true crime 256 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:28.320 writers are as immersed in this stuff as police officers are. 257 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.279 We're just not there to see the bodies up close 258 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.759 and personal on the ground, but we go through all 259 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:39.039 the reports, We many times visit the locations of the murders. 260 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:42.600 We see what happened, We know what goes on, and 261 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:46.600 when you know what goes on and you don't, and 262 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.279 you know there are folks that they're not locking their doors. 263 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:52.799 It was my aim with this book Through an Unlocked 264 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:57.279 Door that everybody that reads this book, if they if 265 00:15:57.320 --> 00:15:59.679 they're not in the habit of locking their door, they 266 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.720 serve they should lock their door because although a locked 267 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:08.080 door will not deter someone from getting into your home, 268 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.200 if they really want to get to you, they're going 269 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.639 to have to break an enter not just have an 270 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:16.840 unlawful entering through an unlocked door. They will have to 271 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.919 break an entner. There's a reason why it's called that. 272 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.480 And in doing so, you might use you might be 273 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:25.360 roused from your sleep, a dog may hear you. There's 274 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.159 been a number of people that come into homes like 275 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.240 that that have been shot and killed. So you have 276 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.080 a better chance than them walking in and waking you up. 277 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:35.320 So my hope that this folks read this book, if 278 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:37.519 they're not used to doing that, they will lock their doors. 279 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:44.159 Now, you picked thirteen tails, and you say thirteen high 280 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:48.200 profile tales. So if you could just list the kinds 281 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:52.799 of cases and the killers that are well featured. For 282 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.799 lack of better term, in this book, Yes, this cautionary tale. 283 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:04.039 Yes, all of them. All thirteen cases have a theme 284 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:09.039 inasmuch as either the doors or windows were not secured 285 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:14.319 or Another thing that sometimes, you know people need to 286 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.400 do is those who own houses with sliding own apartments 287 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:22.680 or wherever you live with sliding glass doors, get a bar, 288 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.599 a wooden bar, a metal bar, whatever you can get, 289 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.160 and place it in on the endside of the doorway 290 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.240 so that if somebody is able to trip that lock. 291 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:36.359 And these aren't the greatest locks anyway on sliding glass doors, 292 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.640 they will not be able to open that door because 293 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:43.480 there's a bar there. And a number of the murders 294 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:48.279 that that that what's his name, Danny Rolling committed he 295 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.799 was able to get through one apartment anyway, just that way. 296 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:57.960 And so these are all most of them are. Some 297 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:01.359 of them made national news, some of them made news 298 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.680 in the region that they were in, and some of 299 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.960 them made news in just maybe a community, and then 300 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:10.759 you know, it kind of rippled out from there. One 301 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:14.039 of the strangest murders in this book that would not 302 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.359 be considered how profile, but I had to add it 303 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.440 because of how bizarre it was, was the case of 304 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:26.200 a nurse, a fella that was a like I think 305 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.839 it was a diabetic nurse up in Indianapolis, Indiana and 306 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:36.720 a nice guy, a really nice guy. But something happened 307 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:40.039 to him one night, you know, and he snapped and 308 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:43.160 he got in his car and he drove from Indianapolis. 309 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:49.200 Probably came through Louisville. Perhaps not. This trial hasn't even 310 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:53.119 been adjudicated yet. The trial will start shortly. 311 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:54.359 But he came. 312 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.400 He got to the area of Lexington, Kentucky, which is 313 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:06.079 an hour east of Louisville, and he drove another additional 314 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:09.839 thirteen miles from the Lexton area to a small town 315 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:14.799 called for Sales, Kentucky. I think population is around I 316 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:18.920 think around four thousand. But now it's early in the 317 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.680 morning hours. He pulls down he's never been on this 318 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:26.279 street before. He pulls down the street and he stops 319 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:32.200 at the home that is marked three hundred on Douglas Avenue, 320 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.599 and it's at the corner of Douglas and Gray Street. 321 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:41.880 Inside this home sleeping is a father, his son, a 322 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:46.759 six year old boy, and his daughter. The mother who 323 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:50.759 works for UPS is working. I believe that CPS was 324 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:54.200 working third shift. She was not in home, so this 325 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:59.119 otherwise and up to this point, normal man. That is, 326 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:02.359 every body that knows him in Indy or put him 327 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:06.279 in the hospital, just the normal guy. He goes up 328 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:09.200 to the front steps. It's very quiet in the neighborhood. 329 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:12.960 Nobody is out. He tries the front door and it's unlocked. 330 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:17.480 He goes into the home. It's a two story home. 331 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:20.759 He wanders around the first floor for just a short time. 332 00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:24.759 He goes into the kitchen and retrieves a butcher knife. 333 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:29.839 He goes upstairs and he goes into this little boy's room, 334 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.039 whose real name is Logan. I changed the names of 335 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:38.799 the family because they requested it for the book, but 336 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:41.000 the name of the killer is the same. And he 337 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:43.559 stabbed this little boy to death in the head and neck. 338 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.960 The sister tried to stop this man, and she was 339 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:51.759 slightly injured, but she's okay. And the father, of course, 340 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:54.160 hearing all this commotion, got up pinned the guy to 341 00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:57.559 the floor, and within a short time the police were there. 342 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:03.720 And you know, if you look at how randomness is now, 343 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:08.799 the thing about this is this whole crime, as terrible 344 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:12.160 as it sounds, they very well have hinged on the 345 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:16.440 door being unlocked because there's no there's nothing to show 346 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:20.400 that he would have broken in, but he found it unlocked. 347 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:23.079 He was obviously looking for the unlocked door and he 348 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:29.079 found it. And I write about people. There's another person 349 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.240 in the book who is his name is Adam Leroy 350 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:37.960 Lane who was a trucker and he had a rule 351 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.920 of thumb that he was only going to go into 352 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:46.400 houses where the door was unlocked, and there were people 353 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:50.599 that would hear occasionally when he was disliked. He used 354 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:52.200 to have a time where he would like to strike 355 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:57.000 around two am, and you know, sometimes people would hear 356 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:01.160 their doorknob jiggle, and you know, I mean they would 357 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.559 wake up and then he would move on. But there 358 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:07.200 was nothing to stop him on some of these locations, 359 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.480 and he was able to go into these homes and murder. 360 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:17.359 So it's true that some killers will avoid any kind 361 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:22.160 of house defense that you have of your garage doors locked, 362 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.279 your front door's locked, your windows are locked. They just 363 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:31.000 move on to other places, okay, because there is noise. 364 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:32.640 It has to be created if they're going to break in, 365 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.279 and that for some of these people is a little 366 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:38.319 too risky. I mean, if you you know, we're normal people. 367 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.960 I couldn't imagine walking into somebody's house even it was 368 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.119 even if the door was unlocked, and wandering around their 369 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:46.720 house in the dark. I mean, I would think, me 370 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:50.359 be normal. Any minute, somebody's gonna pounce on me. But 371 00:22:50.599 --> 00:22:53.400 that fear isn't present within these people, and they're going 372 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.119 in there with a mission. And the mission of the 373 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:59.000 cases I write about is to murder. It's not even 374 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:03.279 thet it's the mur And of course Richard Ramirez, who 375 00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:08.920 would you know, enter through unlocked doors or you know, 376 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:12.200 windows that are open or something. He could, you know, 377 00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.440 jiggle the door and get into He would do so. 378 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.759 And of course he was a thief, but he was 379 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:22.279 also a diabolical murderer. So this is the result of 380 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:25.960 you know, the last thing society wants to do is 381 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:28.920 make it easy on people that want to harm us. 382 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.839 But the greatest problem for unlocked doors is what's going 383 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:37.519 on in the mind of the individual. And the problem 384 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:42.480 with people is that most people don't think like this. 385 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:48.599 Most people believe, well, everything is normal. And see, I've 386 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:53.279 always believed for most of my life that everything will 387 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:58.920 be normal and everything is normal until it's not. And 388 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:05.880 you've got to remember when somebody enters your home and 389 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:09.319 they come through an unlocked door and they have weapons 390 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:12.400 or they have a weapon, and they wake you up. 391 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:16.200 They're in charged. Now it's their home. It's no longer 392 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:19.599 your home. You have no say in it. Your life 393 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.720 depends on what they want to do with it. And 394 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:30.440 when people blithely put themselves at risk by not securing 395 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:36.240 their home, normally, they're doing so because the thought of 396 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:40.920 murder or violence or anything like that is so far 397 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:46.359 removed from their minds that they pretty contem confidently think, well, 398 00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.880 that happens to other people, but it just doesn't happen 399 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.400 and won't happen to me. And that's the way that 400 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.599 I don't want people to think. I don't like to 401 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:57.839