Speaker 1: Oh that's a.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and I am the Cage to Night and
Speaker 2: today actually is a very special day. This marks the
Speaker 2: beginning of our holiday week. All week long, we are
Speaker 2: going to be drop being some very specifically themed Cult
Speaker 2: Conspiracy episodes, and we thought what better way to start
Speaker 2: off than bringing on our resident Jewish correspondent, Royce aka
Speaker 2: the Yoked Yid to give us a background onto Honkkah,
Speaker 2: specifically dropping on this day, because if I'm not mistaken, Royce,
Speaker 2: this will be the last day of Honkkah? Correct. You know,
Speaker 2: we have a lot of people who, because the conspiratorial
Speaker 2: community is on a whole vibe right now, which I'm
Speaker 2: not a huge fan of, they like to shit on
Speaker 2: the Jews. They like to throw out a lot of
Speaker 2: reasons why the Jews do things, say things, act a
Speaker 2: certain way, whatever the case is. And so as we
Speaker 2: are doing a holiday season, I thought, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't really know much about the story of Honkah.
Speaker 2: I have a hard time believing that a lot of
Speaker 2: our conspiratorial brethren of the Cult of Conspiracy do either.
Speaker 2: So we decided what better way to start off this week,
Speaker 2: especially being on the day that it is than to
Speaker 2: give the good cult members a background to the story
Speaker 2: of Honikkah and show that yes, the Jews are in
Speaker 2: fact people too. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: I know I know nothing about Honkkah, like pretty much
Speaker 1: nothing most of my so I.
Speaker 2: Feel like most people don't, and I mean to be honest.
Speaker 2: My limit of knowledge towards Honkah goes to the story
Speaker 2: of the Maccabees. They went into a cave, they only
Speaker 2: had so much oil, and they miraculously lasted longer than
Speaker 2: they had which is the reason for the number of candles.
Speaker 2: That is literally the beginning, middle, and end of my
Speaker 2: entire knowledge based on Honkah.
Speaker 3: I got nothing I know about like this. That's it.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what it's called, to be honest
Speaker 3: with manure there you go.
Speaker 4: So either a manura or aokia. Actually, since it has
Speaker 4: eight branches instead of seven, that was actually used during
Speaker 4: the time of the temple.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the wait when the temple was still erected,
Speaker 2: there was a it's called an.
Speaker 4: So there was a manora, except that there was only
Speaker 4: three on each side, so a total of seven as
Speaker 4: opposed to hanaka has nine.
Speaker 5: And significance to that a different Yeah, because of the
Speaker 5: days seven days reason why right, or so six six
Speaker 5: days and because of six days and then shabas and
Speaker 5: then uh would be for the seventh point.
Speaker 2: Yes, so during the time of the temple, it would
Speaker 2: be like a portion of the year, like not year,
Speaker 2: but like whoever the temple servant would be to like
Speaker 2: light the level of the manure for that day, so
Speaker 2: like Monday Tuesday.
Speaker 4: So the coens actually cleaned and lit the day, lit
Speaker 4: the manora every single day.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well you can start from the beginning because I
Speaker 1: know zero uh to do with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely interested to.
Speaker 1: Hear all about it though, Like I'm fascinated to know
Speaker 1: actually about what it, what it entails, and how you
Speaker 1: got to where it is now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I'll say this, so through my research, soul,
Speaker 4: a lot of this is going to be very h
Speaker 4: history oriented right from there and then and I'm actually
Speaker 4: going to get into some interesting Jewish traditions and some
Speaker 4: things how it's actually celebrated in and of itself.
Speaker 2: Okay, so real quick, is Honkah a thing where like
Speaker 2: every family has their own inherent traditions, like with Christmas,
Speaker 2: you know, certain everybody opens presents, but some people open
Speaker 2: some Christmas Eve night, some wait till the morning of
Speaker 2: Some people it's like a big thing to have, like
Speaker 2: an eggnog thing. Some people it's big to have, like
Speaker 2: the Christmas tree is the thing for Christmas. Others like
Speaker 2: it is the light. So when it comes to Hanukkah,
Speaker 2: does every family and every household have their own kind
Speaker 2: of weird spin and traditions or is it pretty.
Speaker 4: Much in way So it's definitely not set in its
Speaker 4: own There are some people that have the custom to
Speaker 4: lighting with candles. There are some that are oiled. There's
Speaker 4: traditions that say that only one there should only be
Speaker 4: one manora where the the head of the household does
Speaker 4: it or every single person. So there are various traditions
Speaker 4: through amongst people. And then basically started the early nineteenth
Speaker 4: century or nineteen hundreds is really when the idea of
Speaker 4: presence and more publicizing and matter of fact, the the
Speaker 4: last lebab Rebbi Mendel Schneerson.
Speaker 1: Basically I'm sure, I was like, what the hell is
Speaker 1: even and I was like, sure, break that down please,
Speaker 1: because of some words.
Speaker 4: So basically it's it is a two part name in
Speaker 4: the last name.
Speaker 3: So the a person name is yes okay okay.
Speaker 4: So which actually means comfort. Sonach Is is the first part,
Speaker 4: Mendel is the second. That's Yiddish, I believe, and then
Speaker 4: Schneerson was his last name. And he was the the
Speaker 4: last Habad rabbi.
Speaker 2: So when you say ahabbad rabbi, I hope I got
Speaker 2: the right on that one. So what is a habbad rabbi?
Speaker 4: I'm you're good, No, you're good. So Kabad orbad Lavavich
Speaker 4: is a sect of Judaism, specifically Orthodoxy or ultra Orthodoxy,
Speaker 4: and they are pious. Actually they The leader of the
Speaker 4: movement was named Schneer Zalman and basically he started a movement.
Speaker 4: He wrote his opus magnan was called Tanya, and then
Speaker 4: he made his own prayer book and then also his
Speaker 4: own rendition to the shohan Auch, which is this, which
Speaker 4: is what I'm actually going to be getting into a.
Speaker 2: Little bit later on the Shoka Harem.
Speaker 4: Sholhan Oh, which literally means that table. Basically it's the
Speaker 4: code of Jewish law.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: So he so that this person basically wrote a book
Speaker 4: about that's cabalistic in nature. He wrote his own prayer book.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, hold on Royce, Hold on Royce, are
Speaker 2: you telling me that Hanakah is tied in with Kabbala?
Speaker 4: There are some pabolistic essences of Khanka.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, I didn't even think we were
Speaker 2: going to get conspiratorial accidentally, but here we are. All right,
Speaker 2: I'm excited. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: So wait, how many sex are there of Judaism? Like,
Speaker 1: is there like a ton of them? I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: have very limited knowledge of Judaism. I only have enough
Speaker 1: of what I had to study in school, and it's
Speaker 1: like one version of it, So I don't know a
Speaker 1: bunch about actually everything.
Speaker 3: And this is stuff I saw online for sure.
Speaker 4: So put it to you this way. There are three
Speaker 4: call it in. There are three main categories, so real,
Speaker 4: we'll start from the left. So the left would be
Speaker 4: the people who don't really follow much of anything that
Speaker 4: would be like the reform movement. They will go to
Speaker 4: what's called the temple, okay, and so they and then
Speaker 4: so they're like way far left. And then in that
Speaker 4: group you have like they're reconstructionists and your reform and
Speaker 4: basically they don't believe that there's going to be a Messiah,
Speaker 4: which is also the reason why they call their house
Speaker 4: of worship a temple.
Speaker 2: So is this like what seth Rovian and like a
Speaker 2: lot of the Hollywood Jews are.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if they would even be reformed,
Speaker 4: but like yeah, basically like the Jews that might they
Speaker 4: might put on in yamaka every once in a while,
Speaker 4: they they'll they'll go to temple or services, probably for
Speaker 4: the high holidays, probably have a minora.
Speaker 3: So why be a Jew then?
Speaker 1: If they don't believe so heavily in the Jewish practices,
Speaker 1: because it seems that from everything I've heard from the
Speaker 1: last you know, while I've known you, it's like heavy traditions,
Speaker 1: heavy rule, you know, everyone does like strict things. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised that they would even want to be a part
Speaker 1: of something.
Speaker 4: Because it's first of all, because it's a bloodline and
Speaker 4: it's a family. Okay, follow it that way, So basically
Speaker 4: we're all so the Jewish people are descendants of Jacob
Speaker 4: slash Israel one one way, shape or form. So in essence,
Speaker 4: it's a bloodline. To believe it or not, there's something
Speaker 4: inherent to Jews. And I'm talking about even the totality
Speaker 4: of them. Like in the Tanya itself, he says that
Speaker 4: we are believers, the son children of believers. There's just
Speaker 4: something inherent about us that we are naturally more spiritual
Speaker 4: in some ways to or even you can have the
Speaker 4: most non religious Jew out there, but when it comes
Speaker 4: to Shabists in some in some regards or Passover or
Speaker 4: even the Day of Atonement, there's all it's going to
Speaker 4: be Jews who come there, because it's almost something that's
Speaker 4: inherent to our nature. So the idea is that we
Speaker 4: get better and that we have people that are called
Speaker 4: bal chuvas, which essentially means those who return. And I
Speaker 4: would be are part of that category of a balchuva
Speaker 4: because I was not religious or even wasn't even raised
Speaker 4: to be Jewish up until later on in life, as
Speaker 4: opposed to somebody who is colloquially called an f f
Speaker 4: B A from f r u M from f r
Speaker 4: o M birth, which means that they were they were
Speaker 4: brought up in a religious environment from from birth, from
Speaker 4: f r u M, from from birth from Yeah we
Speaker 4: just fbs.
Speaker 2: Got that, okay, So yeah, for sure. So of the
Speaker 2: three types you got the uh you called them the reform.
Speaker 4: Correct, so the reform is all the way left. The
Speaker 4: Centrists would be the conservative movement and like they they
Speaker 4: will maybe keep kosher inside the house, they will maybe
Speaker 4: keep more sabbage, but they don't really have a problem
Speaker 4: with driving to a shoal or be more egalitarian, which
Speaker 4: will most Orthodoxes are not so.
Speaker 2: And then so we got the the reformers like Jewish light.
Speaker 2: Then you got the Centrists who are like.
Speaker 4: More Jewish, right Jewish.
Speaker 2: Then you got the Centrists that are kind of like
Speaker 2: jew but not like jew They're Jewish.
Speaker 4: Right, okay, correct, right? And then and then on the
Speaker 4: right you have the Orthodoxy, and then you have the
Speaker 4: ultra Orthodox. And then basically from there there are a
Speaker 4: lot of ones. Like in the Orthodox movement, you can
Speaker 4: have like like the yu like the Yeshiva University Jews.
Speaker 4: And so you know the kind of knit yamaka that's what's.
Speaker 5: His name wears who you meant.
Speaker 6: Depending on what style of yamica one whears, one can
Speaker 6: generally tell how religious.
Speaker 4: They are and where they fall. If somebody, if somebody
Speaker 4: wears a black velvet yamica, they are generally of the
Speaker 4: Orthodox groups or somebody that is knit. They have been
Speaker 4: through Yeshiva University and are more Orthodox slash modern Orthodox
Speaker 4: and modern Orthodoxy. Apparently, from what I've been told, is
Speaker 4: about like where the conservative movement was many many, many
Speaker 4: years ago. They try to be very much more accepting,
Speaker 4: even as far as dress code in general or dress
Speaker 4: code in Schoul.
Speaker 2: And then with so Judaism seems like it falls on
Speaker 2: a like a pH skill so to speak. You've got
Speaker 2: You've got your neutrality, who are just kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're Jewish, we kind of do some Jewish things, but
Speaker 2: like we also get down with the clown from time
Speaker 2: to time. Then you got the far side of extremists,
Speaker 2: and then you got the opposite side of I guess
Speaker 2: you could say borderline extremists of the the lack thereof
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But it sounds like it
Speaker 2: just kind of falls on a spectrum. And then each
Speaker 2: one of these limits have a type of denomination or
Speaker 2: sect if you will, that associates with them.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, And then even within the within the ultra
Speaker 4: Orthodox community, you have you have Sommer, you have Labovich,
Speaker 4: you have Bells, Like there's so many different sects even
Speaker 4: amongst them. And then like some will wear the really
Speaker 4: really long frock coats. There are some that will wear
Speaker 4: the hats like the long wide or short brim Borsolino's.
Speaker 4: You'll have ones that wear like flat hats. You'll have
Speaker 4: ones that have like they wear short pants and long socks.
Speaker 4: You have the ones that wear strimles. There's so many
Speaker 4: different Those.
Speaker 2: Are those pimp nasty hats I've seen.
Speaker 1: I've only seen the I guess they would be the
Speaker 1: ultra orthodox the documentaries where the women come out being
Speaker 1: able to like get away from the the church and
Speaker 1: they are like talking all about like the different aspects
Speaker 1: of it. I've seen a couple of those, and like
Speaker 1: they're like really crazy with it. Where do you fall
Speaker 1: within this the black that you said? You're Orthodox, so
Speaker 1: you're far so you're the right side of this.
Speaker 4: I am on I am on the right side of things,
Speaker 4: but I also I'm not perfect. Do I pray all
Speaker 4: the time? I do my best? Do I do I
Speaker 4: The things that I'm very staunch on is I keep kosher,
Speaker 4: I keep Shovist, and I do my best to pray
Speaker 4: and to put on filling.
Speaker 2: Do you put your shoes on the right way like
Speaker 2: you're supposed to?
Speaker 4: Yes, damn it.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, but that but but that, but that comes
Speaker 6: from learning like that, that just becomes second nature after
Speaker 6: a certain point in time.
Speaker 2: And you said you pray the technolo, how often do
Speaker 2: you do this?
Speaker 4: So you pull so men put on fill in once
Speaker 4: a day.
Speaker 2: You put on teflon once a day.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 4: So the cube that they were.
Speaker 2: On their forehead and they take the leather strap and
Speaker 2: wrap around their arms a certain amount of times and
Speaker 2: they do their prayers.
Speaker 1: And be honest with you, that's a hard note for me.
Speaker 1: I do not I do not know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And I don't when I say I have limited knowledge,
Speaker 1: I have like beauty to better job explain I will,
Speaker 1: but I'm just okay.
Speaker 4: Right, so so interesting. So in the Torah it says
Speaker 4: that you should bind it upon your farm and it
Speaker 4: should be as a forefront between your eyes. And we
Speaker 4: have a tradition from Moses from Mount Sinai. What exactly
Speaker 4: to fill in are what they're made of, the shape,
Speaker 4: what's inside of it. Basically it contains fur boxes so
Speaker 4: each so basically the bottom comes often and you have
Speaker 4: a certain portions of the tour which are scribed in
Speaker 4: there and inserted there's one compartment in the arm, and
Speaker 4: there are actually four different compartments in the head. And
Speaker 4: then interesting enough, depending on which tradition you follow, there
Speaker 4: are actually there are different pairs of the fill in.
Speaker 1: It's like version of.
Speaker 4: So not necessarily so, not exactly, but there are different traditions.
Speaker 3: In a sense.
Speaker 1: I'm very mild, like, well so kind of.
Speaker 2: I see where you're going with this, and I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say like it's completely separated, but at the
Speaker 2: same time, it is very separated, because, for instance.
Speaker 3: They're completely two different religions.
Speaker 2: But aside from that, even like the beads themselves, you're
Speaker 2: just supposed to pray as you go down the beads.
Speaker 2: Their cube that they wear on their head has little
Speaker 2: scrolls that are handwritten of the first five books. Yes, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he showed me a picture of.
Speaker 2: That cube has tiny scrolls that are handwritten of the to.
Speaker 7: Okay, it's only certain verses, not the entire thing.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I watched these these rabbi. I don't know
Speaker 2: if the rabbi is or if they're just like real
Speaker 2: ninches or what. These dudes are writing it down super
Speaker 2: small by hand. I'm like, there's no way they're fitting
Speaker 2: the whole tour in there, and the dude that was
Speaker 2: on the documentary was like, hell yeah it is, I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, no, no. So basically it's very various verses and
Speaker 4: depending and so those verses are not necessarily in chronological order,
Speaker 4: and that might follow one opinion, and then there's another
Speaker 4: opinion that says it should be like that. So there
Speaker 4: are actually more than one paris to filling. So people
Speaker 4: who are very stringent will actually have more than one
Speaker 4: pair of filling everybody. So they're so Rashi, who I'll
Speaker 4: talk about eventually, was a major commentator, and so there
Speaker 4: is a set of filling that everybody calls called Rashi's villain.
Speaker 4: And then either his son and or students had a
Speaker 4: different opinion, and that's called rebeenu Tom. And so so
Speaker 4: very often people in the Kabbad movement specifically will have
Speaker 4: both a pair of Rashi's filling and Rebanu Tom's filling.
Speaker 2: So you pray this once a day? Is it a
Speaker 2: specific prayer? And what I mean by this is as
Speaker 2: far as a Christian comparison, won' be like the Our Father.
Speaker 2: No matter which version of Christianity you follow, the Our
Speaker 2: father who are in heaven hell wi that n that
Speaker 2: prayer transcends. We all say the exact same shit. So
Speaker 2: when it comes to the felon is that something that
Speaker 2: it's the same prayer over and over again.
Speaker 4: So it's filling, so yes, and no, okay, the blessing
Speaker 4: that one puts on when you wear it, yeah, so
Speaker 4: you're not praying like it's just it's a part of
Speaker 4: the prayer service itself. So like the in the mornings,
Speaker 4: a Jewish man will put on his prayer shawl and
Speaker 4: then he'll put on his filling and then he will
Speaker 4: pray with it, will do.
Speaker 2: The thing with the tassels, right.
Speaker 4: The big long blanketing.
Speaker 1: Actually, oh okay, okay, I actually know what this is.
Speaker 1: I know what this is.
Speaker 2: At least okay, I was thinking about it with the
Speaker 2: tasks that go on the like the man skirt kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 6: So so those are called so that's called fitness gotcham.
Speaker 4: But but this is the prayer shawl that you wear
Speaker 4: after you had been married.
Speaker 2: So you wear the prayer shawl and the yamaka and
Speaker 2: the head thing you yes, gotcha all right, all right?
Speaker 4: And then that and that's that's a part of for sure,
Speaker 4: and that's a part of the prayer service called chakras,
Speaker 4: which basically literally means morning time and then that prayer
Speaker 4: depending on how quickly people run through it, it's about
Speaker 4: forty five ish minutes, depending on what's going on in
Speaker 4: the day. You take the tour out a couple different
Speaker 4: times per week and then not including shop this in
Speaker 4: festival and holidays and stuff. It's it's fun.
Speaker 2: Can you do this once a day?
Speaker 4: So fill in and prayer shaw and fill in once
Speaker 4: a day, yes, but juwe pray three times today. You
Speaker 4: have morning, afternoon, and night. And instead of like the
Speaker 4: Muslims to where there's very very strict times like you
Speaker 4: need to be on the dot, basically we have a range. Right,
Speaker 4: It's like you can't start prayer before a certain time
Speaker 4: and that prayer quote unquote it's time limits to a
Speaker 4: certain point. And then you have the same thing with
Speaker 4: the afternoon and evening prayers.
Speaker 2: So you can't start your morning prayers at eleven thirty
Speaker 2: and let it go into the afternoon and call it
Speaker 2: a two for one deal. That doesn't fly.
Speaker 4: No, And then there are there are various rules.
Speaker 1: It's a second is pair and there and.
Speaker 4: There are times when if if somebody does that, then
Speaker 4: there are rules as a part you know what, what
Speaker 4: do you pray first? What's what's more important? What do
Speaker 4: you do? I mean, there's there's literally rules for everything.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I was like, there are so
Speaker 1: many rules with.
Speaker 4: This religion as there I completely agree with you.
Speaker 2: All right, So now we've gone into the different sects
Speaker 2: of Judaism. But all of these sects celebrate Hanukkah. They
Speaker 2: all celebrate Passover. They all there's like the big ones
Speaker 2: no matter what it's. It's very similar to Christianity, and
Speaker 2: that every every version of Christianity except for like the
Speaker 2: Jehovah's Witness, but they're a cult. But anyway, they celebrate
Speaker 2: Christer Christmas, they celebrate Easter. They have these big ones
Speaker 2: that no matter what walk of faith you're in, you're
Speaker 2: gonna go to church on these two days. So all
Speaker 2: these types of Judaism celebrate Hanukkah, they all celebrate the Passover, correct.
Speaker 4: I would I would say so. The only correction I
Speaker 4: will make is that uh Connakut is one of the
Speaker 4: most minor holidays there.
Speaker 2: Are really as far as Judy was concerned, I figured
Speaker 2: it would be like one of the big ones.
Speaker 4: So it's actually not. I think one of the reasons
Speaker 4: why people think that is because of Christmas and this
Speaker 4: is the holiday that's like, oh, well everybody celebrates Christmas,
Speaker 4: then everybody celebrates Conic because it's it's actually approximately about
Speaker 4: the same amount of time. It's really not because like
Speaker 4: so there's no it's not like shabis where you're restricted
Speaker 4: from doing any kind of work or electricity. It's not.
Speaker 4: It's not a biblical mandated holiday. This is one a
Speaker 4: rabbitic holiday.
Speaker 3: So shabus what is that?
Speaker 1: So you you don't have electronics from like Friday to
Speaker 1: Saturday or something or yes, so is this good year round?
Speaker 2: It's every week every week, so it's a current wrong
Speaker 2: when the sun goes down on Friday afternoon until the
Speaker 2: sun set on Saturday evening, right, yes, yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe this was like a seasonal seasonal thing,
Speaker 1: like you get it, so year round.
Speaker 6: The winter goes a little longer though, I mean we
Speaker 6: have we have seasonal holidays.
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, generally Passovers in the spring, Circus is
Speaker 4: in the fall, same thing with Russia, Shana and Young
Speaker 4: Kipper each all those are holidays. But like the main holidays,
Speaker 4: which actually called the Ryan which means basically the days
Speaker 4: of awe are the Russia Shana, which is the Jewish
Speaker 4: new year, Young Kipper, which is the day of Atomat,
Speaker 4: and Circus, which is the festival of Booze. These are
Speaker 4: like the three three major holidays.
Speaker 1: Festival of Booze, alcohol, b oh oh. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a holiday, get behind with the Jews.
Speaker 4: Actually, well, there we do have one. So we have
Speaker 4: a festival called perm Okay.
Speaker 6: Basically, what that is is that we read the scroll
Speaker 6: of Esther or the book of.
Speaker 4: Esther okay, and then there there's a custom that says
Speaker 4: that you should get so drunk you don't know the
Speaker 4: difference between the name of the antagonist and the protagonist.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so there's one Jewish holiday. I'm totally down
Speaker 1: for Wait. How long is this book?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 3: Like, how long do we have to sit and.
Speaker 1: Listen to this?
Speaker 4: It takes thirty five minutes to read?
Speaker 1: All right, fine, I can be I could deal with it.
Speaker 1: I could get down with it for thirty five minutes.
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, now I have to ask the story
Speaker 2: of Esther that that's something that transfers into the Christian
Speaker 2: mindset here. So wait, how does the story of Esther?
Speaker 2: How does that lead to getting fucked up? I must
Speaker 2: have missed this.
Speaker 3: I'm here for it whatever it is.
Speaker 4: So why why that is? Is because it was there
Speaker 4: was a miracle that was done, and it basically it
Speaker 4: started off with with Aka Shiros and it ended with
Speaker 4: the party.
Speaker 2: So do you mean the marriage?
Speaker 4: No, so basically the party where est finally came out
Speaker 4: to her king and said, hey, by the way, I'm Jewish,
Speaker 4: you got to kill this guy. She They celebrated festivals
Speaker 4: during that entire time. Even the very end of the
Speaker 4: book says that these days should be of partying and
Speaker 4: giving of gifts.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm getting confused. I'm getting confused with the story
Speaker 2: of Esther. Okay, God damn it. All right, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That book is in the Old Testament, in
Speaker 2: the Christian tradition as well. But I was thinking of
Speaker 2: the story of a shit I'm trying to think of
Speaker 2: the name.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: It's this woman who marries She's like, uh, I think
Speaker 2: she's a Mobite as a matter of fact, and she
Speaker 2: marries I know who.
Speaker 4: I know you're talking about, Ruth.
Speaker 2: God talk. I was getting Esther and Ruth confused.
Speaker 4: My bad, Ruth.
Speaker 2: There's only a few books that are named after women,
Speaker 2: and somehow I'm getting them fucking mixed up to go.
Speaker 6: I know, I believe that book is read during Chevus
Speaker 6: because that was when we received the toro from Mount.
Speaker 2: SINAI Okay, okay, fair enough. So Esther, which is not
Speaker 2: a long book, but it does talk about the orphan
Speaker 2: that becomes a princess and like does her things queen
Speaker 2: that while reading that book? Is it like is there
Speaker 2: specific times you gonna start drinking or you just like
Speaker 2: pull up the whole time and see how I mean?
Speaker 4: People people look, people have parties and like I've there
Speaker 4: have been people that like they get blitched.
Speaker 3: We will come to your party for this read. We
Speaker 3: will come. I will. We will sit through the ester
Speaker 3: as long as I can drink through it.
Speaker 2: Does it to be one?
Speaker 3: I'm down?
Speaker 4: There are some people that say that it should be wine, but.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I'm a Whino, soay.
Speaker 4: Any money of alcohol to go around. Also, simplest that
Speaker 4: is also a holiday where people have a tendency and
Speaker 4: getting very very liquorate up.
Speaker 1: Okay, the Jews can throw down some are right, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, so back to the good old haka.
Speaker 2: So this is one of the more minor holidays as
Speaker 2: far as Juday is misconcerned. But you're saying that the
Speaker 2: reason why it has become, at least in the cultural
Speaker 2: zeitgeist even a fucking thing is because of I don't
Speaker 2: want to just say americanism, but let's consumerism.
Speaker 1: You think that has a big push to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Christmas is such a large holiday around the world,
Speaker 2: even in France and in Germany, all over the earth,
Speaker 2: they celebrate Christmas in one way, shape or form. Yes,
Speaker 2: so to have as much inclusion as possible. The Jews
Speaker 2: are like, we got a thing around that time too,
Speaker 2: and it's like, do we don't give gifts?
Speaker 4: We do?
Speaker 2: Now, Like I could, I could see that.
Speaker 1: Hence why we have these behind us consumerism.
Speaker 3: We did want to include this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was really hard though to find stuff
Speaker 1: in the storage.
Speaker 3: I will say, we've but I have.
Speaker 1: It's weird because in Oregon, I've seen tons of Hanukkah stuff.
Speaker 2: I would be pretty well confident in saying that Oregon
Speaker 2: probably has a higher Jewish population than Louisiana.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be real with you.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a bunch, but I will say it
Speaker 1: is the most inclusive places of places. So if there's
Speaker 1: gonna be somebody, we're gonna have it there. But I
Speaker 1: have seen a ton there and in Colorado when I
Speaker 1: live there too.
Speaker 2: So he's in Colorado.
Speaker 3: So oh, is there like a big jew population?
Speaker 4: Jewish populations rude in Denver? Yes, in Springs, know where
Speaker 4: I live down south. I'm like, you're like basically the
Speaker 4: only religious doing about a sixty mile radius.
Speaker 3: I lived in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2: Damn. Okay, fair enough? So all right. So so Honkkah
Speaker 2: is a relatively smaller holiday on the scale of what's important.
Speaker 2: So let's go back in history here, tell all this story. Yeah,
Speaker 2: where did Hanakah start? Where to come from? Who too? Maccabees?
Speaker 2: Give us the spiel.
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Speaker 2: So yes, indeed, all right, so I recognize this actress
Speaker 2: from the Big Bang.
Speaker 8: Yes, hey, Grocites, today you were gonna rock. Honkahn is
Speaker 8: a Jewish holiday that happen. Conic is a Jewish holiday
Speaker 8: that happens every winter. Because Jewish people use a lunar
Speaker 8: calendar as opposed to opposed to a solar Gregorian calendar,
Speaker 8: which most of the world uses, the holiday tends to
Speaker 8: shift around. But just know that Honka happens in the winter. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 8: this year, Conka starts on my birthday.
Speaker 4: What.
Speaker 8: People have a lot of misconceptions about Conica. So here's
Speaker 8: a little quiz to help you figure it all out.
Speaker 8: Take the quiz and prepare to impress your Jewish and
Speaker 8: Gentile friends and family. Number One, Conica is Jewish Christmas.
Speaker 8: Since Conakah tends to fall right around Christmas, a lot
Speaker 8: of people think that it's the Jewish equivalent of Christmas,
Speaker 8: and it is a holiday with rituals and traditions, but
Speaker 8: it's actually not Jewish Christmas. Christmas celebrates Jesus being born
Speaker 8: in a manger, and because Christians believe that Jesus is
Speaker 8: the son of God, right, it's a huge deal. It's
Speaker 8: the basis for redemption and salvation for millions of Christians
Speaker 8: all over the world. Conkah is about a group of
Speaker 8: Jews called the Maccabees defeating the Seleucid army in the
Speaker 8: second century BC, and it's detailed in the Apocrypha.
Speaker 1: Not the Old Testament.
Speaker 8: It's also about a miracle where this oil that was
Speaker 8: supposed to last for one day lasted eight days. And
Speaker 8: it's about defeating oppression and religious freedom and believing that
Speaker 8: what you believe in is worth your life.
Speaker 4: That's conicka.
Speaker 8: It's not Jewish Christmas. Number two false Hankaka is a
Speaker 8: really big deal.
Speaker 9: False.
Speaker 8: I mean it is, but it also isn't technically speaking.
Speaker 8: You see, Jewish holidays are divided up into major holidays
Speaker 8: and minor holidays. Major holidays are things like Passover Russia, Shana,
Speaker 8: Young Kipper, and some other really awesome holidays that you
Speaker 8: may have never heard of, like Cucus and Bwis. On
Speaker 8: major holidays, we refrain from things like using electricity, driving, writing,
Speaker 8: or working. But on minor holidays, you can drive, you
Speaker 8: can write, you can work, you can use electricity because
Speaker 8: they're minor holidays. But knuaka is still fun even though
Speaker 8: it's minor. We love Hanaka Woo minor holiday Okay. Number
Speaker 8: three Knakkhah involves tons of presents, eight nights of presents.
Speaker 8: Guess what false don't you get prisons. You probably think,
Speaker 8: I know Jews who get prisons every night.
Speaker 4: Why do you like present?
Speaker 10: It really presents whys we like?
Speaker 8: Of course we like presents. Everybody likes presents, and a
Speaker 8: lot of families you get things like pajamas, calendars, stickers,
Speaker 8: sockscolate coins, dradles. It's just the conic is about so
Speaker 8: much more than the presents. It's about finding light in darkness.
Speaker 8: It's about facing adversity. It's about fighting for what you believe.
Speaker 8: It's also about lots of awesome Conica jewelry, but mostly
Speaker 8: it's about those other things. Number four Jews eat super
Speaker 8: unhealthy food for eight days of Hanka. True, because the
Speaker 8: story of Conaka revolves around oil. We basically eat tons
Speaker 8: of food fried in oil, like latkas or potato pancakes.
Speaker 8: They are these potato onion fritters and they're amazingly delicious
Speaker 8: with sour cream or apple sauce or if you're in
Speaker 8: my family, ketchup. That's right, we eat them with ketchup
Speaker 8: because they're like glorified hash Browns.
Speaker 2: Deal with it.
Speaker 8: We also eat jelly donuts fried in oil, or you
Speaker 8: can also make them without jelly, like we do in
Speaker 8: my family. It's basically an eight day festival of oily
Speaker 8: goodness yum m.
Speaker 1: Number five.
Speaker 8: Jews spin little spinning tops on knega.
Speaker 9: Oh yes we do, Uh huh, what do you do?
Speaker 4: Go?
Speaker 8: Dradel a drada is a four sided top that we
Speaker 8: play with at Konica, and each side represents a letter
Speaker 8: that makes up a sentence, and it also represents an
Speaker 8: action that you take in.
Speaker 1: The game of Drado. It's a lot more fun than
Speaker 1: it sounds.
Speaker 8: I promise the sentence that the dradl spells is nescadol
Speaker 8: haya sham, which means a great miracle happened there, But
Speaker 8: if you're in Israel, the Dradel's say escadol haya pump,
Speaker 8: which means a great miracle happen here. Dreda is so
Speaker 8: much fun that I have an extensive Dredel collection. Number
Speaker 8: six Jews light.
Speaker 1: A manora on Khnkkah.
Speaker 8: True, but also not specific enough, so foh hah, I
Speaker 8: get ja. Manora is actually the Hebrew word for candelabra.
Speaker 1: It's a general word.
Speaker 8: Hanukiya is the specific word for the eight branched manora
Speaker 8: or candelabra that we light on Knica.
Speaker 1: We light one.
Speaker 8: Candle every night, increasing the light each night so that
Speaker 8: by night eight, all eight candles are lit. And yes,
Speaker 8: there is a ninth branch called the shamish, which is
Speaker 8: used to light all the others. For your information, a manora,
Speaker 8: which is used on Israeli money and described in the
Speaker 8: Old Testament, is a sixth branched candelabra with a seventh
Speaker 8: in the middle to.
Speaker 4: Light the others.
Speaker 8: So, if you've learned nothing else today, every hanukiya is
Speaker 8: a manora, but not every manora is a hanukia. Happy Hanukah,
Speaker 8: happy Kwanza, Merry Christmas, happy Festivus, happy nothing, whatever you
Speaker 8: want to do this winter, have a great time.
Speaker 2: I love her, She's so charming.
Speaker 3: I never watched my mom until he gets sound with
Speaker 3: it some I dam.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I have always loved it absolutely But okay,
Speaker 2: and I knew that she was Jewish, not because she
Speaker 2: ever said so on the show, but I mean, look
Speaker 2: at her, like clearly she is a loud and proud
Speaker 2: Jewish woman. So I mean good things, And okay, so
Speaker 2: she brought up a couple of things that I feel
Speaker 2: like we're gonna need a little more cleararification on you
Speaker 2: told us about the minora and the Hanakia and this
Speaker 2: whole conversation. Excellent cool things, the fried foods. This makes
Speaker 2: sense to me. I I don't think I've ever actually
Speaker 2: heard this before, but it makes sense that you would
Speaker 2: eat a bunch of fried foods during the eight days
Speaker 2: where oil is involved. Cool things. Is donuts a thing
Speaker 2: or is that just like an American thing?
Speaker 4: For the the there soy jelly donuts or called so
Speaker 4: are very very common.
Speaker 1: I love jelly donuts, so I already fit in during
Speaker 1: that day.
Speaker 2: So I don't. But like I do like the chocolate
Speaker 2: filled if that counts? Does that count?
Speaker 1: They don't count. It's not the part of the rule.
Speaker 2: And Jews have chocolate she said, chocolate coins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, plenty of plenty of galts, which is what.
Speaker 2: All which also, I mean the joke's right themselves of
Speaker 2: her saying you get chocolate coins on hot.
Speaker 1: I actually guess, I guess some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: was on the list. I was like, you're guys, I
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's awesome. So donuts yeah, And then Lakas
Speaker 2: she said that even would ketch up and you had
Speaker 2: a very disapproving face.
Speaker 1: Isn't ketchup not kosher.
Speaker 4: Right, ketchup is kosher? This is this is a palette thing.
Speaker 4: So generally you had the follow into two main categories
Speaker 4: of school of schools of thought. One that says that
Speaker 4: you should put jelly on them, or you have another
Speaker 4: group that puts sour cream on the latchez. I particularly
Speaker 4: more savory than sweet, so I am in the sour
Speaker 4: cream category.
Speaker 2: I mean it sounds like an onion hash brown.
Speaker 3: That's sounds sound like an onion hash brown.
Speaker 4: Basically it is it basically literally is a hash brown.
Speaker 4: Just the idea of putting ketchup on it, like during
Speaker 4: that time in the year. It's like, eh, But to
Speaker 4: each their own.
Speaker 2: Got you?
Speaker 1: Okay? Is your mom the Jewish? Or are both your
Speaker 1: parents Jewish?
Speaker 4: My father was not Jewish, my mother was so in
Speaker 4: the case interestingly, all right, so we can take because you.
Speaker 1: Have to be born from a woman, correct, that's Jewish
Speaker 1: to be you, yes.
Speaker 4: Correct, So it's very interesting. So in order to be
Speaker 4: to have the Jewish line or whatever, you need to
Speaker 4: have a Jewish mother. The tribal affiliation, however, follows the
Speaker 4: father's line, not the mother's line. So right now, in
Speaker 4: modern day there are three different categories if there were,
Speaker 4: or as it were, of Jews. You have the people
Speaker 4: who are the kohanium lying, which are basically the priests.
Speaker 4: You have the Levine or the Levites, and basically those
Speaker 4: are the ministers to the Kohana, and then you have
Speaker 4: everybody else, which we just call Israel.
Speaker 2: So now I have another question. Traditionally the Levites were
Speaker 2: the priests. When did they take a step down to
Speaker 2: the Kohani.
Speaker 4: So the Kohan basically the it was all about the
Speaker 4: difference between Aaron and Moses. Yeah, so basically when it
Speaker 4: came to the priestly line or came from Aarin, and
Speaker 4: then the Levites as it were, were from the tribe
Speaker 4: of Levy or Levi, and basically those are the ministers.
Speaker 4: So they both groups were a part of the temple service,
Speaker 4: but both had different portions of it. The Kohana and
Speaker 4: the actual priests were the ones who did the sacrifices.
Speaker 4: They were the ones that let the manora. They had
Speaker 4: the high priest to go onto the Holy of Holies
Speaker 4: during the day of Tomat.
Speaker 2: I always thought that that was a part of the
Speaker 2: Levite tribe, like of the twelve Sons of Jacob, the
Speaker 2: Levi tribe which became the Levi's, they.
Speaker 4: Were split into two. They so they that tribe essentially
Speaker 4: got split into two. So you had the group that
Speaker 4: became essentially the priest and then you had the the
Speaker 4: subsidiary group that they were the ones that that sang
Speaker 4: or that that assisted the priests. So they were they
Speaker 4: are still of a priestly lined ish but just they
Speaker 4: had a different calling as it were.
Speaker 2: But they are both of the like all the way back.
Speaker 2: They both are descendants of Levi, I think so, so
Speaker 2: they're more like cousins to each other, but of the
Speaker 2: same Yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: They're they're for sure of the same oak. But is
Speaker 4: they just have different responsibilities. Okay, and his children and
Speaker 4: then Levi and and his children.
Speaker 2: So basically we have the bloodline of Levi and then everybody.
Speaker 4: Else well you know, the and the and everybody else, right,
Speaker 4: which this all.
Speaker 2: Checks out, especially if you look at they have people
Speaker 2: that they are training in Israel right now in the
Speaker 2: ancient sacrificial ways and all of these things. The only
Speaker 2: way that they could know that these people are supposed
Speaker 2: to be the ones doing it is that they have
Speaker 2: an unbroken chain of bloodline all the way back to
Speaker 2: the original tribe. So if there was ever a tribe
Speaker 2: that you needed the original bloodline to be intact, it
Speaker 2: would be the Leevites and the Cohen's. I get it
Speaker 2: so fair enough, correct.
Speaker 4: And what's very interesting is that with that being said,
Speaker 4: if you have like a mother and father who if
Speaker 4: you have a mother who is a Cohen and a
Speaker 4: and the father who is a Levite, the children will
Speaker 4: be Levites, not Kohana, okay, because the tribal affiliation follows
Speaker 4: through the through the father. They are one percent Jewish,
Speaker 4: you know, in that term. Sure, but the like my children,
Speaker 4: my children will always be Israel unless I have a
Speaker 4: daughter and she and she moved and she marries into
Speaker 4: you know, one of the other groups. M hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you are not of the Cohen or Levi.
Speaker 4: Bloodline since my father was not Jewish, I am not.
Speaker 4: I'm just a normal Israel got.
Speaker 2: You, got you, okay? All right?
Speaker 1: Is this like a bad thing not necessarily looked down upon?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm speaking.
Speaker 4: No, no, So it's not about being looked down upon it.
Speaker 6: But there are certain honors that are attributed to those who.
Speaker 4: Are of the blood lines. So for example, whenever the
Speaker 4: tour is brought out on the on weekdays, there are
Speaker 4: are you have three called aliotes, which basically means you're
Speaker 4: being called up to the to where you get to
Speaker 4: make a blessing. The first two are always it's the
Speaker 4: the Cohen, followed by the lady and then anybody else.
Speaker 4: So just certain honors are accorded them a certain points
Speaker 4: in time.
Speaker 1: So do they strategically marry bloodlines to keep within bloodlines?
Speaker 1: Like keep the bloodline as pure as possible.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jewish matchmakers are a thing.
Speaker 4: Yes, so Jewish Jewish matchmakers are a thing, but most
Speaker 4: people don't don't necessarily like I know that if you're
Speaker 4: a calling, they try to stay within the kohana. But
Speaker 4: if you have a divorce a you can't. So I
Speaker 4: have one of my good friends, actually she is a
Speaker 4: boss Collin. She comes from the Coins family. Her first
Speaker 4: husband was a Coin. Since she has been divorced, she
Speaker 4: can never marry into being at again.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know they could get divorced.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to Jewish people can get divorced. Hell,
Speaker 2: there's a whole line for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, at least they can get divorced.
Speaker 2: There's a whole line of thinking that Moses divorced his wife,
Speaker 2: which I personally don't think is what took place, even
Speaker 2: though I'm not saying that it's some sort of a
Speaker 2: moral high horse against divorcees. Fuck, I'm a two time,
Speaker 2: you know, divorcing myself. But if you look at the context,
Speaker 2: Moses sent his wife and children away for a certain time,
Speaker 2: and there's a couple of different schools of thought on this.
Speaker 2: One is to say that he divorced her and sent
Speaker 2: her back home to her father. The other line of
Speaker 2: thought would be that he was starting a spiritual journey
Speaker 2: that did involve his celibacy, so he sent her away
Speaker 2: but stayed married to her but needed some separation to
Speaker 2: work on himself, very similar to a time of fasting.
Speaker 2: I am not weighing in on this one way or another,
Speaker 2: but there's at least some scholarly debate on that. So Yeah,
Speaker 2: Judaism and divorce is absolutely a thing, and per the
Speaker 2: Old Testament and per Biblical text. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: even New Testament divorce is only allowed in one instance,
Speaker 2: like blessed anyway, and that is in the case of adultery.
Speaker 1: See The only thing I knew about it was I
Speaker 1: watched those like I told you earlier, the extreme version
Speaker 1: of Judaism, and you know, they had a lot to
Speaker 1: say about divorce and stuff like that. I wasn't one
Speaker 1: hundred percent certain on the problem.
Speaker 4: And one of the problems is if you have a
Speaker 4: vindictive So if let's say, if a wife is trying
Speaker 4: to get a divorce and her husband is being vindictive,
Speaker 4: he can't religiously marry again, right, which sucks, But there
Speaker 4: are there were This happened a number of years ago.
Speaker 4: There was a rabbi who basically hired hired goons to
Speaker 4: kidnap and basically put the uh stress on his husband
Speaker 4: and say, look, you are going to divorce your wife
Speaker 4: or else, and they put the beaten on his ass
Speaker 4: up until he actually did. You know, this has happened
Speaker 4: a couple of times.
Speaker 1: The Jewish mafia has been a thing, you know, because
Speaker 1: unlike the Mormon Church that will back the man for
Speaker 1: basing the ship out of a.
Speaker 3: Woman and like tripled down on it.
Speaker 2: Well, now more often than not that is the case
Speaker 2: for a lot of Christians, a lot of Mormons, and
Speaker 2: a lot of Jews. Like let's be clear here, but
Speaker 2: this is a isolated case of a dude that if
Speaker 2: the money was right, he would send his boys out
Speaker 2: to I mean, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean I'm glad that at least you know something.
Speaker 1: But I will say that I personally no multiple Mormon
Speaker 1: women that are no longer with the church because they
Speaker 1: were heavily abused and their bishops tripled down on the
Speaker 1: backing of the abuse of husband, and the whole church knew,
Speaker 1: and they were just like, you know, you just seen it.
Speaker 1: Pray more, yeah, and do better as a life.
Speaker 4: That's horrible that it really is.
Speaker 1: Well maybe so you were saying that you're so Manora correct. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: yours is different than ours.
Speaker 3: Why is this?
Speaker 4: Yes? I will get into that, Okay, a little bit, Okay,
Speaker 4: solid solid, all right. So first we're gonna go through
Speaker 4: Wikipedia because it did a pretty good job, and then
Speaker 4: I'm going to scroll and go through periodic things that
Speaker 4: are pretty cool, and then we will get into further stuff.
Speaker 4: Sounds good, I dope.
Speaker 2: So we're starting with the history of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is just the blanket of what what
Speaker 4: Hankkah is kind of like what we were talking about before,
Speaker 4: and then we will get into the background and everything else. So,
Speaker 4: so Hankikah is a rabbinic Jewish festival remembering the recovery
Speaker 4: of Jerusalem and the subsequent rededication of the Second Temple
Speaker 4: following the Jewish Macca being revolt against a selusive empire
Speaker 4: in the second century BCE. And which is what I'm
Speaker 4: going to be getting into Chartley. Sokneka is observed for
Speaker 4: eight days of the nights, starting on the twenty fifth
Speaker 4: day of Kislive, which will be the startings on Sunday
Speaker 4: night according to the Hebrew calendar, which may occur at
Speaker 4: anytime from November twenty eighth to December twenty seventh in
Speaker 4: the Gruring calendar.
Speaker 2: You said, is this a moment?
Speaker 4: Yes, okayev is a Jewish month.
Speaker 2: So, and we're talking about the Jewish thirteen month calendar.
Speaker 4: Correct twelve slash thirteen months, so it's not always thirteen months,
Speaker 4: but it is every two to three years.
Speaker 2: So this is what you'll do in place of like
Speaker 2: a leap.
Speaker 4: Here, so we have a leap year, but we have
Speaker 4: we have a leap months instead of it. Okay basically actually,
Speaker 4: so the reason being is that before the calendar was
Speaker 4: actually based off of witnesses in the moon. But basically,
Speaker 4: since we do not have a temple and we don't
Speaker 4: have witnesses, there were a group of Jews that came
Speaker 4: up with a nineteen year calendar basically where you it
Speaker 4: was a cycle of nineteen years, so two to three years,
Speaker 4: because I said, like other calendars, the Fuber calendar consists
Speaker 4: of twenty nine or thirty days which begins and approximately
Speaker 4: at the time of the new moon as a twelve month,
Speaker 4: such month to prise of a total of three hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty four days. An extra lootar month is added
Speaker 4: every two to three years, so the long term average
Speaker 4: year length closely approximates the actual length of the solar year. Okay,
Speaker 4: so kis live is one of the months. And then
Speaker 4: generally whenever we have is.
Speaker 2: That you said twenty nine to thirty days, not thirty
Speaker 2: to thirty one, So correct the Gregorian and or Julian
Speaker 2: if you technical, let me talk Gregorian. That added on
Speaker 2: basically an extra day or two depending on the month
Speaker 2: throughout the entire year. So y'all we have an excess
Speaker 2: day that y'all put into an extra month every two
Speaker 2: to three years.
Speaker 4: I got you, Yeah, And then just for some g
Speaker 4: ways the list here are the Jewish months. We have
Speaker 4: Nissan e r Sevan, tamus av l O, t Shreshvan,
Speaker 4: tevett schwat Adar. So those are the months of the
Speaker 4: Jewish year, okay, nfl alright, so let's see all right,
Speaker 4: So the festival is observed by lighting the candles and
Speaker 4: the candelabrum with nine branches called commonly called the minora
Speaker 4: or knakia. One branch is placed above or below the others,
Speaker 4: and its candles used to light the other eight candles,
Speaker 4: the can called the shah. One additional candle was lits
Speaker 4: until all are lits together. Okay, we're going to be
Speaker 4: into the holidays and a second.
Speaker 6: Okay, so let's get in to the back prone and
Speaker 6: history of this, and please feel free to stop me at.
Speaker 4: Any time beginning in three thirty eight BC. By the way,
Speaker 4: this is going back quite a bit, but I'd like
Speaker 4: I would like to set the tone and get into
Speaker 4: the context of when the revolt started and wow and
Speaker 4: why and what happened with it?
Speaker 2: Please do sir. We are talking about the Selucid Caliphate. Correct, well, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: this was give me a date on this.
Speaker 4: So the so We're going to start in the year
Speaker 4: three thirty eight DCE with Alexander the Great.
Speaker 2: Okay, so, yeah, this is actually not the Caliphate because
Speaker 2: Islam didn't come around until six hundred's a d So
Speaker 2: this would have been just the Solucid Empire, my mistake.
Speaker 4: Correct, the solicit and the Polemaic Egyptians.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 4: So beginning in three thirty eight BCE, Alexander the Great
Speaker 4: began an invasion of an empire. In three to thirty
Speaker 4: three to three thirty two BC, Alexander's Macedonian forces conquered
Speaker 4: the Levant, including Palestine. At the time, Judea was home
Speaker 4: to many Jews who would return from exile and Babylon
Speaker 4: thanks to the Persians. Alexander's empire was partitioned in three
Speaker 4: twenty three BCE. After Alexander's death and after the Wars
Speaker 4: of the Diadochi, the territory was taken by what would
Speaker 4: become Thelemictlembic Egypt in three oh two to three oh
Speaker 4: one BCE, another of the Greek's successor states, the Slusive Empire,
Speaker 4: would conquer Judea from Egypt during the series of campaigns
Speaker 4: from two thirty five to one eight BCE. During both
Speaker 4: Telemic and Salucid rule, many Jews learned coin Greek, especially
Speaker 4: the upper class Jews and Jewish minorities in town's further
Speaker 4: a field for Jerusalem and more attached to Greek trading networks.
Speaker 4: Greek philosophical ideas spread route through reign as well. The
Speaker 4: Greek translation of these scriptures, called the Septuagen was also created.
Speaker 4: During the third centuries BCE. Many Jews adopted dual names
Speaker 4: with both a Greek name and a Hebrew name, such
Speaker 4: as Jason and Joshua. Still, many Jews continued to speak
Speaker 4: the Aramaic language, the language that descended from what was
Speaker 4: spoken during the Babylonian exile. In general, the ruling Greek
Speaker 4: policy during this time period was to let Jews manage
Speaker 4: their own affairs and not to interview overtly with religious
Speaker 4: matters Greek with The authors in the third century BCE
Speaker 4: who wrote about Judaism did so mostly positively. Cultural change
Speaker 4: did happen, but was mostly driven by Jews themselves, inspired
Speaker 4: by ideas from above, and by the way that's been
Speaker 4: true throughout the worst of the entirety that Jews have
Speaker 4: been around. Like Jews make our own worst enemies.
Speaker 2: That's very accurate. That's very accurate. And to your point also, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Jews being put down in a negative context by
Speaker 2: the for lack of better words, of the Europeans that
Speaker 2: didn't come early around into the Romans. The Greeks had
Speaker 2: no real issues with the Jews, right, The Persians did
Speaker 2: at one point, the Babylonians did at one point, the
Speaker 2: Egyptians did at one point, and yeah, these types of things,
Speaker 2: but the Greeks really never had any beef with anybody
Speaker 2: from Judea, honestly, no. And I mean that's also because,
Speaker 2: like you said, they adopted their language, they adopted a
Speaker 2: lot of their customs, maybe not their religion, but they
Speaker 2: adopted a lot of their cultural things, and they they
Speaker 2: blended in very well.
Speaker 4: And those were and so Hellenism is basically what that
Speaker 4: was called. What the Greeks were doing. They're trying to
Speaker 4: spread their own beliefs. And there were plenty Jews that
Speaker 4: were indoctrinated into and became Hellenistic Jews, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: and that's also one of the things about hanigen is
Speaker 4: that we're trying to battle against complete assimilation.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, and I mean to that point. Also he
Speaker 2: brought the Ptolemaic Egypt, which Ptolemy was one of Alexander
Speaker 2: the Great's top generals, and when everybody was vying for
Speaker 2: who would control Greece or Macedonia at the time, I
Speaker 2: should say, Ptolemy went to Egypt and he just set
Speaker 2: up shopped there and he was cool. He ain't fighting
Speaker 2: about the Eugnc and all this he's shown with Egypt,
Speaker 2: and that has led to so much controversy because so
Speaker 2: many people think Cleopatra was black. Meanwhile, there's mosaics of
Speaker 2: Cleopatra's cousin who was a redhead. Because we're talking about
Speaker 2: the Toolemaic Empire, and it's like wait what, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: Cleopatra was probably like pasty ass white, but like you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: all the things. So we're talking about this timeframe when
Speaker 2: Tallamaic Egypt was going on, the Seleucid Empire was rocking,
Speaker 2: the Hellenization of the Mediterranean was fully a foot, and
Speaker 2: like you had said, most of the Hebrews started picking
Speaker 2: up not just Hebrew language, but coin a Greek as well,
Speaker 2: started taking some dual names in the mix.
Speaker 4: All right, all right, so continue, he says rulers did
Speaker 4: not undertake explicit pagrams of forthlonization. Antiochis's fourth Epiphanes, came
Speaker 4: to the throne of the Sleucids in one seventy five
Speaker 4: BCE and did not change this policy. He appears to
Speaker 4: have done little to antagonize the religion at first, and
Speaker 4: the Jews were largely content under his role. One element
Speaker 4: sorry that would come to would come to later prominence
Speaker 4: was Antiochis the fourth, replacing the high priest Onias the
Speaker 4: Third with his brother Jason, after Jason offered a large
Speaker 4: sum of money to Antiochus. Jason also sought and received
Speaker 4: permission to make Jerusalem a self governing police Holius I guess,
Speaker 4: albeit with Jason able to control the citizenship list of
Speaker 4: who would be able to vote in hold political office.
Speaker 4: These changes did not immediately appear to arouse any particular
Speaker 4: complaint from the majority of the citizenry in Jerusalem, and
Speaker 4: presumably he still kept the basic Jewish laws and tenants.
Speaker 4: Three years later, a newcomer name Menilaius offered an even
Speaker 4: greater bride to Antiochis the Fourth for the position to
Speaker 4: high priest. Jason resentful turn against Antiochus. Additionally, a rumor
Speaker 4: spread that Menilaius had sold the Golden Temple artifacts to
Speaker 4: help pay for the bride, leading to unhappiness, especially among
Speaker 4: the city council. Jason had established this conflict was largely
Speaker 4: political rather than cultural. All sides at this point were Hellenized,
Speaker 4: content with a Slucid rule and primarily divided over Menilaus's
Speaker 4: alleged corruption and saclege. In to one CC eight to BCE,
Speaker 4: the sixth Styrian War began between the Seleucis and the
Speaker 4: polemic Egyptians arose, and Jiacus fourth led an army to
Speaker 4: attack Egypt. On his way through Jerusalem. After the successful campaign,
Speaker 4: high priests Menilaius allegedly in vandon Antiochus inside the Second
Speaker 4: Temple and a violation of Jewish law.
Speaker 2: Sorry, inside the Second Temple.
Speaker 4: And that's what this says, shit inside the Second Table.
Speaker 2: I thought that, Yeah, I'm not exactly sure on my
Speaker 2: dates on when the Second Temple was constructed. I know
Speaker 2: when it was broken down, But okay, so I didn't
Speaker 2: know the Second Temple was around since the three hundred BC.
Speaker 4: This new information, so this would know this was once
Speaker 4: one seventy.
Speaker 2: BC, gotcha? Okay? Yeah, the Second Temple was built by then,
Speaker 2: all right, sorry, by that continue.
Speaker 4: No, you're fine, let me fine, please again? Sorry, okay,
Speaker 4: so and so all right, So honestly, back to jersalm
Speaker 4: At the successful campaign, I preest man Alas allegedly invite
Speaker 4: Antiochis inside of the Second Temple and violation of Jewish law,
Speaker 4: and he raided the temple treasury treasury for eighteen hundred talents.
Speaker 4: Tensions with the Telemaic dynasty continued in Antiochus rode out
Speaker 4: on campaign again. In one six the ABC, Jason heard
Speaker 4: a rumor that Antiochus had perished and launched an attempted
Speaker 4: coup against Minelaus and Jerusalem. Hearing of this, Antickos, who
Speaker 4: was not dead, apparently interpreted this fictional infighting as a
Speaker 4: result against his personal authority in s an army to
Speaker 4: crush Jason's plotters. From one sixty eighth to one sixty
Speaker 4: seven BC, the conflict spiraled out of control, and government
Speaker 4: policy rapidly shifted real quick.
Speaker 2: This is jew on jew crime, correct, Antiochus is Jewish.
Speaker 2: I don't or Minilaius, however you want to say it.
Speaker 2: I believe he was Hebrew. But oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Antiochus was governing body.
Speaker 2: He was okay, got you, got you, So all right,
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Sorry with that, I'm getting confused on
Speaker 2: the names. I'm about to make sure.
Speaker 4: Here, so no problem.
Speaker 2: This dude bribed the local Solucid ruler for the power.
Speaker 2: Other dude overtook him with a higher bribe, and now
Speaker 2: there's some infighting between the two. But moreover than not,
Speaker 2: it's pointed at the Seleucid dude in charge.
Speaker 4: Yes, gotcha. Yes, So it says a thousands Jerusalem were
Speaker 4: killing thousands where we're enslaved. The city was attacked twice.
Speaker 4: New Greek governors were sent. The government sees land and
Speaker 4: property from Jason' supporters, and the temple in Jerusalem was
Speaker 4: made the site of a syncretic Greek Jewish religious group,
Speaker 4: polluting in the eyes of the devout Jews as they
Speaker 4: actually I believe, sacrificed a pig on the altar, which.
Speaker 2: Is no in the temple and.
Speaker 4: The temple itself. That was one of the reasons why
Speaker 4: the tumble needed to be purified, because of the sacrifices
Speaker 4: that were done, not only to foreign gods, but also
Speaker 4: the fact that there was pig that was slaughtered on
Speaker 4: the altar.
Speaker 2: Itself, right, yeah, Like so who inside of the fucking
Speaker 2: arc dog?
Speaker 4: So no, I don't think that. So not so not
Speaker 4: the Holy of Polies, but on the on on where
Speaker 4: you slaughter the animals.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's still massively insulting, and I get that, but like, bro,
Speaker 2: for a crazy second, I thought they were doing this
Speaker 2: and putting pig blood on the arc. I'm like, who
Speaker 2: oh my god, No, Okay.
Speaker 4: I don't believe. So all right, all right, so the
Speaker 4: government sees landed property blah blah blah. So and the
Speaker 4: Temple Jerusalem was made the site of some credible Jewish
Speaker 4: Greek Jewish religion, gropluting in the eyes of Dovau Jews.
Speaker 4: And you Sitadel garrisoned by the Greeks and pro Selucid Jews.
Speaker 4: The Acroli, Isabella and Jerusalem Antiochus fourth issued decrees officially
Speaker 4: espressly the Jewish religion subjects were required to eat pork
Speaker 4: and violet. Jewish dietary laws, work on the Jewish Sabbath,
Speaker 4: cease cercufiing their sons and so on. The policy of
Speaker 4: Talker for the Jewish worship was at an end for Antiochis.
Speaker 4: The unexpected conquest of the city of Jerusalem, deluding and
Speaker 4: the wholesale slaughter were not enough. His psychopathic tendency was
Speaker 4: exacerbated by resentment of what siege had cost him, and
Speaker 4: he tried to force the Jews to violate the traditional
Speaker 4: codes of practice by leaving their infant signs uncircumcised and
Speaker 4: sacrificing pigs on the altar. These orders were universally ignored,
Speaker 4: and Antiois had the most prominent recusitant butchered, and that
Speaker 4: was from Flavis jusepus So in the aftermath. In the
Speaker 4: aftermath of Antiochritists issuing his degree for bidding Jewish religious practice,
Speaker 4: a campaign of land confiscations, paired with shrine and ultra
Speaker 4: building took place in the Judean countryside. A rural priest
Speaker 4: from Moden, Matthias or Matisyahu of the khshm Naim or
Speaker 4: the Hasmonian family, sparked the result against the Solucid Empire
Speaker 4: by refusing to work with the Greek gods at Modine's
Speaker 4: new altar. Wait.
Speaker 2: Wait, okay, real quick, real quick. Not to cut you off,
Speaker 2: but I have a couple of questions. So, for one,
Speaker 2: what year are we talking about here, because Flavius Josiphas
Speaker 2: was more prominent in the first century a D.
Speaker 4: So so that keep in mind that was Josephus speaking
Speaker 4: about it way after the fact. So we are still
Speaker 4: in the one sixty six to one sixty BC.
Speaker 2: Got you okay, okay, Damn. There was one more thing
Speaker 2: that you had brought up a second ago that I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about, but I got stuck on
Speaker 2: the Josiphus mentioned. Shit, what what was the last thing
Speaker 2: you were talking about right before I cut you off?
Speaker 4: So, Mattathias VI has Aemonian.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me more?
Speaker 4: Oh so he well, so it is a rich a
Speaker 4: rural Jewish freeze from modane sot uh Mattathias or minds.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, real quick? Is that a place?
Speaker 4: No, it's a person. So Matthew. So the the Hebrew
Speaker 4: word for Matthew or Mattithias is mas yahoo.
Speaker 2: That is one of my favorite reggae singers. I should
Speaker 2: mention I didn't realize that that was the Hebrew word
Speaker 2: for Matthew. From Matthew yeah, madus yahoo. For anybody who
Speaker 2: does not know, check him out one of the only
Speaker 2: Acrid Jews. And that's a term that I learned about
Speaker 2: that is also a reggae singer, and I fucked with
Speaker 2: reggae heavily. So anyway, anyway, sorry, I heard the name
Speaker 2: and I was like, wait, I know that term. What
Speaker 2: the fuck? Continue?
Speaker 4: And actually I knew somebody whose name, so it is
Speaker 4: still used today.
Speaker 2: So the Greek version of that would be Matthias, but
Speaker 2: the Hebrew of that would be madus Yahu. Correct, damn,
Speaker 2: I love this shit, Let's continue, yep, all right.
Speaker 4: So a rule Jewish priest from Modim, madis Yahu of
Speaker 4: the Kshmnaim or the Hasmonian family, scarred the revolt against
Speaker 4: the Solucid Empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods
Speaker 4: at Modine's new altar, mas Yahu killed a Jew who
Speaker 4: had stepped forward to take madisya Who's place and sacrifice
Speaker 4: into an idol, as well as the Greek officer who
Speaker 4: sents who was sent to enforce his sacrifice. He killed
Speaker 4: him sure the altar. So basically, madus Yahu was like, dude,
Speaker 4: you're not about to do this shit, and he just
Speaker 4: he sucked his shit up.
Speaker 2: Where's some adragnishak and have been to go when you
Speaker 2: need them. Bro, No, we don't bend to the will
Speaker 2: of the oppressors. We stand firm and we let God
Speaker 2: sort it out when we get there.
Speaker 6: The problem, but part of the problem was that there
Speaker 6: were these Hellenized Jews that were more great than they
Speaker 6: were Jews.
Speaker 4: So whenever you had that happen and they're like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're just going to follow this way now, and madus
Speaker 4: Yahu in the are like the fuck you are, and.
Speaker 2: It's very that's not like the first time that said, well,
Speaker 2: this might be one of the first times that's happened.
Speaker 2: That's fair. But like even Herod in the first entry,
Speaker 2: he got like super romanized. Herod was like he got
Speaker 2: down with what the Romans were doing. He dressed like them,
Speaker 2: acted like them. Some even claimed that he worshiped the
Speaker 2: Roman idols. I don't believe that he did, but there's
Speaker 2: a lot of claims. He wasn't a very popular homeboy.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, as far as like the ruling class
Speaker 2: trying to get real up and cozy with whoever the
Speaker 2: actual oppressors were at the time, this is a thing,
Speaker 2: and that's not just a Jewish thing. That's the thing
Speaker 2: that's happened throughout the course of human history. So let's
Speaker 2: be fair here, right, all right.
Speaker 4: So continue, So after he did that, so she set
Speaker 4: forward she might as I was placed in acrivising and
Speaker 4: so he also killed a group officer who was there.
Speaker 4: She win force his at device. He then destroyed the altar. Afterwards,
Speaker 4: he and his five sons fled to the nearby mountains,
Speaker 4: which sat directly next to Modin. Now we're going to
Speaker 4: be getting into the Gorilla campaign from one sixty seven
Speaker 4: to one sixty four BCE. So after Marsyahu's death about
Speaker 4: one year later in one sixty six BCE, his son
Speaker 4: Judah Maccabee led a band of Jewish dissidents who would
Speaker 4: eventually absorb other groups opposed to the Slucid rule and
Speaker 4: grow into an army. While unable to directly strike Slucid
Speaker 4: power at first, Judah's forces could maraud the countryside and
Speaker 4: attack Hellenized Jews, of whom there are many. The Maccabees
Speaker 4: destroyed the Greek altars and the villages, and also forcibly
Speaker 4: circumcised the boys.
Speaker 2: Forcibly circumcised the boys.
Speaker 4: Correct, they're like, so this is something that it's a
Speaker 4: part of our family and heritage and tradition, and you
Speaker 4: will do this.
Speaker 2: So all right. The Maccabees to the Solucids were basically
Speaker 2: seen as a domestic terrorist group.
Speaker 4: And just their their gorilla warner was and it was incredible,
Speaker 4: so incredible.
Speaker 2: That it beat them fair enough.
Speaker 4: So let's see. He also he also for villages and
Speaker 4: drove hell and i Jews off their land. So Judas
Speaker 4: is nicknamed the mccabees is now used to describe the
Speaker 4: Jewish partisans as a whole. It is probably taken from
Speaker 4: the word says Hamar. I'm not sure, but anyway, but
Speaker 4: in either case, the maccabeus or maccabee would be later
Speaker 4: used as an honorific for Judah and his brother and
Speaker 4: his brothers as well. So Judas campaign in the countryside
Speaker 4: became a full scale revolt. Macabean forces employed grilla tactics,
Speaker 4: emphasizing speed and mobility. While Let's train and under equipped
Speaker 4: for pitched battles, the Maccabees can control which battles they
Speaker 4: took and retreat into the wildness when threatened. They defeated
Speaker 4: two minor salutive forces at the battles of ascent of
Speaker 4: La Bona in one sixty seven BCE and the Battle
Speaker 4: of beth Haran in one sixty six. Towards the end
Speaker 4: of the summer. In one sixty five, Antiochia's departed four
Speaker 4: Babylon in the eastern half of the empire and left
Speaker 4: Lycius in charge of the western as regent. Surely afterwards,
Speaker 4: the Maccabees won a more substantial victory at the Battle
Speaker 4: of Ammaeus. The factions attempted to negotiate a compromise, but failed.
Speaker 4: A large Slucid army was sent to quash the revolts.
Speaker 4: After the Battle of baith Zor in one sixty four BCE,
Speaker 4: as well as the new news of the death of
Speaker 4: Antiochist fourth in Persia, the Slucid troops returned to Syria.
Speaker 4: The Maccubees entered Jerusalem triumph. They originally cleansed the Sacond Temple,
Speaker 4: re establishing a traditional Jewish worship there on the twenty
Speaker 4: for the Kislev, the date of the cleansing in the
Speaker 4: here calendar that would later become the date of the
Speaker 4: festival of Spanaga.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what year about did this word honkka come about?
Speaker 4: Basically about one sixty four BCE. Interesting, what was when
Speaker 4: it generally.
Speaker 2: Ended the conflict?
Speaker 4: You mean, I mean as far as the fact that
Speaker 4: they retook the temple and did the cleansing. Okay, it
Speaker 4: was right around this time.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's the backstory to Honukkah. Now explain the
Speaker 2: manora and the candles in the eight days in the situation.
Speaker 4: I am going to get into that, But first I
Speaker 4: would like to take a small tangent, because the next
Speaker 4: thing I have my list is actually to read a
Speaker 4: small excerpt from the Talmud itself.
Speaker 2: Which Talmud Babylonian. Okay, let's go there, all.
Speaker 4: Right, But before we and then after that, I'm going
Speaker 4: to go into a small tangent on how we go
Speaker 4: from the Talmud to Jewish law. Okay, all right, So
Speaker 4: I am currently quoting from Shabas twenty one real.
Speaker 2: Quick, just so we're all clear here. As far as
Speaker 2: the chain of cussy of the years and things like this,
Speaker 2: the Babylonian Talmud was compiled. Give a ballpark about what year.
Speaker 2: I know it was probably over the course of a
Speaker 2: few because if we're talking about these things happening in
Speaker 2: one sixty three BC and you know the early BC
Speaker 2: zero I say early. Technically speaking, I guess this would
Speaker 2: be the late V series. But like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, if the Babylonian Talmud was.
Speaker 4: I hear you. Yeah, actually, hold let me, let me
Speaker 4: do this, go through this kind of kind of now.
Speaker 4: So the written law or the Tanakas is not the
Speaker 4: total sum of the Divina revelation. Rather as the rabam
Speaker 4: Rites is written, and I will give you the talents
Speaker 4: of stone and the Torah and the mitzvas. In this verse,
Speaker 4: the tour refers to the written law. The Mitzvah refers
Speaker 4: to the explanation God tumanded us to observe the tour
Speaker 4: according to the instructions of the Mitzvah. It is this
Speaker 4: Mitzvah that is called the oral Torah. So originally it
Speaker 4: was transmitted transmitted orally from master to students in a
Speaker 4: chain extending back to Moses himself. The situation continued for
Speaker 4: over fifteen hundred years until the era of Rabbi Yuhuda
Speaker 4: ha Nasi, the leader of the Jewish people in the
Speaker 4: Land of Israel, a little more than one years after
Speaker 4: the destruction of the Second Temple. So the ram describes
Speaker 4: this as at turning point, as follows, he saw that
Speaker 4: these scholars were decreasing. A number new tribulations were constantly arising,
Speaker 4: the Roman Empire was extending its power throughout the world.
Speaker 4: The Jewish people were wandering and being dispersed to the
Speaker 4: far ends of the earth. He therefore composed a single
Speaker 4: text that would be available to everyone, that the oral
Speaker 4: law could be studied quickly and would not be forgotten.
Speaker 4: So to react to redact and record the oral law
Speaker 4: for posterity was revolutionary, As Ramam states, from the days
Speaker 4: of Moses our teacher, no one had composed a text
Speaker 4: for the purpose of teaching the law in public. Instead,
Speaker 4: in each generation, the head of courts would take notes
Speaker 4: for himself of the cheap teachings which he had received
Speaker 4: from his masters, and teach them verbally in public. The
Speaker 4: situation continued until the age of Rabinu Hakkadosh or rebi
Speaker 4: Yehudaha Nasi. He collected all the teachings, all the laws,
Speaker 4: all the explanations, and all the commentaries which had been
Speaker 4: heard from Moses most Rabanu and which had been taught
Speaker 4: by the courts, and each subsequent sub quint generation from
Speaker 4: all these, he composed the texts of the Missiona and
Speaker 4: taught it to the sages. They the sages disseminated everywhere
Speaker 4: so the oral law would not be forgotten by the
Speaker 4: Jewish people. The Mishnah, whose participating authorities are known as
Speaker 4: the Tanaime, then became the focus of Jewish study and
Speaker 4: endowed Jews throughout the world with a common point of reference.
Speaker 4: Through it, they could connect with the chain of tradition
Speaker 4: extending back to Sini. The very structure of the Missiona
Speaker 4: points to the purpose of its composition. As in a code,
Speaker 4: every clause and phrase and word in its teaching signifies
Speaker 4: concepts and laws that are not overtly evident. By presenting
Speaker 4: concepts in the seminal form, the Missiona compels his student
Speaker 4: to refer back to its parents' reservoir. The entire body
Speaker 4: of the orl Tora. Out of the composition of of
Speaker 4: the Missionah, study groups would meet, as they continue to
Speaker 4: do so this day, and endeavor to unravel its code,
Speaker 4: expounding it and amplifying its teachings. Because the masters were
Speaker 4: familiar with the entire oral tradition in which the Mishnah
Speaker 4: was summarized, it served as an effective tool that enabled
Speaker 4: them to share their knowledge with others. As time went on, however,
Speaker 4: fewer stages were familiar with the oral tradition itself. Moreover,
Speaker 4: an increasingly fragmented diaspora prevented many Jews from contact with
Speaker 4: even those stages who were familiar with it. Hence, a
Speaker 4: text was needed that would elucidate the words in the missiona,
Speaker 4: explain its deeper points, and record the new matters that
Speaker 4: had been developed by subsequent towards. For this purpose, Revashi
Speaker 4: and Ravina composed the Gamara for the babylon and Tamude,
Speaker 4: the next outstanding landmark in Jewish letters. The Gamara is
Speaker 4: essentially a record of discussions of the Mishnah in a
Speaker 4: number of academies in ancient Babylonia. Imagine sitting in a
Speaker 4: room in the company of some of these eminent stages
Speaker 4: the Amariyan. A scholar has just quoted a concise legal
Speaker 4: teaching in the name of his mentor. One of the
Speaker 4: stages present present will question its structure. Another will will
Speaker 4: respond explaining his perception of its wording. Another will observe
Speaker 4: that he had once heard this Hollofic or Jewish law
Speaker 4: ruling as ascribed to a different judge who based it
Speaker 4: on a different scriptural source from the verse just quoted
Speaker 4: as a proof text. Another will challenge the reliability of
Speaker 4: the original ruling by quoting a seemingly conflicting verdict, and
Speaker 4: this sparks off a lively debate that seeks to resolve
Speaker 4: the contradiction. By the way, this is exactly what the
Speaker 4: talent it is. So this is how it was formed,
Speaker 4: from being taught from Moses, from Outsinai to the sages,
Speaker 4: to the little snippets of the mission to the Gamara.
Speaker 2: I don't want to like make you lose your place,
Speaker 2: so like put your finger where you're at for sure
Speaker 2: a moment ago, say a moment at the beginning of
Speaker 2: this you said it was a composition of the oral
Speaker 2: Torah and the written and stone tablets. Is that to
Speaker 2: be believed as the Ten Commandments?
Speaker 4: I mean, so we don't actually have the the the
Speaker 4: Ten Commandments, as it was in the ark of the
Speaker 4: government that we don't know where it is.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, But per the context of you saying
Speaker 2: the stone tablets, are we talking about those or is
Speaker 2: there other stone tablets that were being used? Okay, magasure
Speaker 2: and make sure continue yep.
Speaker 11: So all right, then basically going through all the arguments.
Speaker 11: So then setting for a moment onto another wrung, another stage,
Speaker 11: we'll share a spiritual insight with it.
Speaker 4: With this teaching brings to mind. Finally reverting to the
Speaker 4: here and now, his colleague will recall the other legal
Speaker 4: issues on which the author of the said teaching had
Speaker 4: one express any painted all that to say, this is
Speaker 4: how the what the Torah, what the tal moon was
Speaker 4: based on. So it started. I'll just recap one more
Speaker 4: time and then we will go from there. So basically
Speaker 4: it starts off with Moses being taught the entire Torah,
Speaker 4: both oral and written. He teaches all of this to
Speaker 4: the court system, and then once it starts to be forgotten,
Speaker 4: this one great stage name you Huda a Nazi, basically
Speaker 4: takes all these little snippets to learn from. Furthermore, at
Speaker 4: a later point in time, you have the people that
Speaker 4: go into to try to explain what this little snippet means,
Speaker 4: which is called the gamara, and then from and then
Speaker 4: the gamarg just basically goes back and forth between this
Speaker 4: stage says this, this stage says this, this is the
Speaker 4: proof text for this in this scripture. This is the
Speaker 4: proof text that I have to that scripture. And as
Speaker 4: I read this little snippet, you'll understand what I mean
Speaker 4: by bad.
Speaker 2: So Gamara sounds to me very similar to Gamatria. Is
Speaker 2: this where that comes from? Or the same root word?
Speaker 2: For lack of better understandings.
Speaker 4: I am not sure of the etymology. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 4: Sound Gamara, for sure is Aramaic, where I think Gamatria
Speaker 4: is just numerology in general.
Speaker 2: I could completely be grasping a straws and even though
Speaker 2: they sound the same, have nothing connected. And maybe I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it's not really that important.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not actually, I'm actually not sure
Speaker 4: about the etymology. I don't I sound similar. I don't
Speaker 4: think it comes from the same route, but I could
Speaker 4: be wrong.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, so anyway, So that was the background
Speaker 2: to the Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud itself correct, gotcha.
Speaker 4: Correct, And basically it was just all of where it
Speaker 4: was compiled and edited, So that believed Talmud I believe
Speaker 4: was compiled and edited in Babylon, and the and the
Speaker 4: other was edited in Israel. Okay for Jerusalem as as
Speaker 4: it's called to this day. Sure, sure, all right, So
Speaker 4: what I'm quoting now is from Shabis twenty one. So
Speaker 4: all right, so Rava, who is this age?
Speaker 6: Said one must kindle another light in addition to the
Speaker 6: conic lights in order to use this lights.
Speaker 4: Hold on one second.
Speaker 2: And this this excerpt from Shabas twenty seven.
Speaker 4: You said twenty one.
Speaker 6: But anyway, if anybody has heard any thing disparaging about
Speaker 6: the Gamara and they actually want to see it.
Speaker 4: For themselves instead of trying to rely on people who
Speaker 4: try to sway those for shits and giggles and to
Speaker 4: take things out of context. Sure, please go to Safaria
Speaker 4: dot org s E. F A. R i A dot
Speaker 4: org and you can look up pretty much any one
Speaker 4: of the texts that you're being shown, as far as
Speaker 4: anything in the Jewish literature, from the Old Testament to
Speaker 4: the tal Mood itself. You can. You don't even have
Speaker 4: to log on for an account, search for it, read
Speaker 4: it for yourself, so.
Speaker 2: Real quick, Sapharia dot com. This is not the same
Speaker 2: as Spartik Judaism, correct, No, making sure, I'm gonna say,
Speaker 2: hold on, you are going to the Spartans for references.
Speaker 2: You're a horrible jew bro.
Speaker 6: Definitely, definitely so so kim actually comes from the root
Speaker 6: words safer, which means.
Speaker 4: Got so yeah s e f A r i A
Speaker 4: dot org. Okay, that is the that is the place
Speaker 4: to go, all right.
Speaker 6: So the Gamara ass is Fanica, and wired lights kindled
Speaker 6: on Fanica.
Speaker 4: So the go our answers, the sages taught, and the
Speaker 4: mcgilla of Tinus, which is about fast as is on
Speaker 4: the twenty fifth of peace, leave the days of Khnukah
Speaker 4: are eight. One may not eulogize on them, and one
Speaker 4: may not fast on that. What is the reason. When
Speaker 4: the Greeks entered the sanctuary, they defiled all the oils
Speaker 4: that were the sanctuary by touching them. And when the
Speaker 4: Hasmonian monarchy overcome them and emerged victorious over them, they
Speaker 4: searched and found only one cruise of oil that was
Speaker 4: placed with the seal of the High Priest, undisturbed by
Speaker 4: the Greeks, and there was sufficient oil there to the
Speaker 4: candelabra for only one day. A miracle occurred and they
Speaker 4: lit the candelabrum from it for eight days. The next year,
Speaker 4: the stages instituted those days and made them houlids with
Speaker 4: recitations of hollow, which is a certain with certain prayers
Speaker 4: and special things, givings and prayers and blessings.
Speaker 2: Real quickly, this is from the book of Shabbat.
Speaker 4: Yes, uh. This is quoted from Chabas twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yes, Shabas, not Shabbat.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean it's this, I mean really, it's the
Speaker 4: same thing.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious. I'm shying to google. When was the
Speaker 2: Book of Shabbat written? And it says two hundred BC.
Speaker 2: Oh wait was I no? No, no, I'm sorry, cey.
Speaker 2: They keep fucking me up with the CE means a D.
Speaker 2: But they changed it because common era. Yeah, yeah, which
Speaker 2: is dumb. It should have just stayed a D. But okay, okay,
Speaker 2: So two hundred a D is when the Book of
Speaker 2: Shabbat slash Shabbas was written, which is what we're reading
Speaker 2: out of, which was give or take three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty years after the fact of the Macabeans got you,
Speaker 2: all right, continue, just.
Speaker 4: Let's see, I'm throwing a little bit.
Speaker 2: So even two hundred a D they are mentioning the
Speaker 2: practice of Hanukkah. And it's not just the traditioner passed
Speaker 2: down from generation to generation there codifying it there, putting
Speaker 2: pen to paper on this to where every Jew from
Speaker 2: this point on knows that this is the thing that
Speaker 2: y'all be about. Got you correct?
Speaker 4: And then further on it basically it goes into there
Speaker 4: are different stages. One that says the k it should
Speaker 4: start you should start with eight and then go down
Speaker 4: to one. And you should start at one and go
Speaker 4: to eight. So there were different opinions about how they
Speaker 4: should be lit.
Speaker 2: And you know it's also mentioned and I just discovered
Speaker 2: this in the past week or so. Apparently Jesus also
Speaker 2: practiced hankah, so it wasn't as widespread, But at the
Speaker 2: same time, in zero AD, in the turn of the millennia,
Speaker 2: there was a solid number of Jews that were celebrating
Speaker 2: Hanukkah for the correct intents and purposes of what Hankah was.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's one hundred and sixty years after the
Speaker 2: fact of the Maccabeans and the revolt and all these things,
Speaker 2: But it wasn't like that went off by the wayside
Speaker 2: and then came back at some obscure thing. Pretty much
Speaker 2: after the vault stopped, people started taking it on as
Speaker 2: a new form of celebration of God's glory during that time,
Speaker 2: which I also find funny. So many, so many people
Speaker 2: think that Jesus wasn't a Jew's hilarious to me, Like sure,
Speaker 2: these people, these these sweet, poor dumb people that don't
Speaker 2: know that, Like, yeah, he celebrated Passover, he celebrated Hanukkah,
Speaker 2: he sucked at sports like that, he was a Jew.
Speaker 2: He was a Jew. No offense rules, but like you
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 4: Don't worry, I don't Jewish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt anyway, all right, so cool, cool, cool,
Speaker 2: Let's continue.
Speaker 4: All right. So the change a sawt in a brysa
Speaker 4: and a brysa is something that was not written down
Speaker 4: but still taught anyway. So is the basic mitsvah or
Speaker 4: the commander of Sonica is each day to light, to
Speaker 4: have a light kindled by a person I ei the
Speaker 4: head of the house for himself and his household. And
Speaker 4: the mahadron, which is like which is stop, which is
Speaker 4: a hot no nothing, which is which is a higher
Speaker 4: level is for those who are meticulous to perform the
Speaker 4: midst of those too, kindle light for each and every
Speaker 4: person in the household, and the like the best of
Speaker 4: the best, who are people who are even more meticulous
Speaker 4: adjust the number of lights. So bait Shami and bit Hillel,
Speaker 4: who were two very prominent scholars, and they each had
Speaker 4: their own schools, disagree as to the nature of that adjustment.
Speaker 4: So bait SHAMAI says, on the first day one kindles
Speaker 4: eight lights and from there gradually decreases number of lights
Speaker 4: to the last day of Khanaka, to where he kindles
Speaker 4: one light. And bait Hillo says, on the first day
Speaker 4: one kindles one light and from there on gradually increases
Speaker 4: the ember of lights, until the last day he kindles eight.
Speaker 4: So it seems like.
Speaker 2: The two schools of thought, one of them got more
Speaker 2: prevalent than the other.
Speaker 4: For sure. But this is so. This is how the
Speaker 4: gamar is. It goes, It gives multiple opinions, and then finally,
Speaker 4: at some point in time, the actual opinion that we
Speaker 4: follow is codified. So he says. Ula says, there are
Speaker 4: two amaraim in the West and in Israel who disagreed
Speaker 4: with regard to this dispute, to rebe Yosi bar Avin
Speaker 4: and Reb Yosi bar Zeveda. So one said, to the
Speaker 4: reason for Beit Shama's opinion is that never lies corresponding
Speaker 4: to the incoming days, I even the future on their
Speaker 4: first day eight days for made aknika one kills eight lights.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. All right, So that's some from the Gamara,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to get to the general stuff that
Speaker 4: we do. All right, all right, So this is from
Speaker 4: this is roughly from the chokan Auro chapter six hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy seven ish the what is that word again,
Speaker 4: shul khan aro the code of Jewish.
Speaker 2: Law Shohan harrik shual s h u l so school
Speaker 2: so shoal.
Speaker 6: No, chulfan means table, schulfan is actually so chulfan is
Speaker 6: the actual shul is the word for.
Speaker 2: School, So not sul shoal.
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 2: Anywait pause, now now you got me on a whole
Speaker 2: other tangent in that the place of hell or is
Speaker 2: that shoel?
Speaker 4: No, that's shell, god damn.
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, sorry, I only speak American English, not even
Speaker 2: that well, So right.
Speaker 6: There's there's there are so many of these words that
Speaker 6: sound very similar, all right, So shul and chulfan and
Speaker 6: all correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is the shoal, not shule shoal a.
Speaker 4: Harrem Soulhan s h u l c h a n.
Speaker 2: Chulfan Shohan Shan.
Speaker 4: Okay, sure, yeah, so chulpan just means table.
Speaker 2: I might not be thrown enough flim into it, but
Speaker 2: I'm fucking trying, Okay, I'm giving to the old college. Try.
Speaker 4: Is the code of Jewish law in this volume that
Speaker 4: I was reading from is the are the roles one
Speaker 4: through fifty seven?
Speaker 2: Out of how many?
Speaker 4: I mean, I just said that this one is six
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy seven, So they're so there are four
Speaker 4: different parts of the chulkan are okay. So basically the
Speaker 4: the first section is called aura him, which means which
Speaker 4: is the laws of prayer, synagogue shop is all you
Speaker 4: have your idea, which is the laws of castrous conversion
Speaker 4: to Judaism morning. You know, evan as there was the
Speaker 4: laws of marriage and divorce, and hush and mishpop, which
Speaker 4: are laws of finance, finance responsibilities, damages in the rules
Speaker 4: that the House of Judges needs to follow. There are
Speaker 4: four different parts of it. You know.
Speaker 2: It makes perfect sense to me. And I know that
Speaker 2: some people say this in a racist tone. I don't
Speaker 2: mean it in such. It makes perfect sense to me
Speaker 2: that Jews make really good.
Speaker 4: Lawyers, you know. And but it's part of the part
Speaker 4: of it is because of all the discussion in the
Speaker 4: gamara that goes back and forth and what's you know,
Speaker 4: you know, whenever you're going through your trial, it's the
Speaker 4: back and forth. It's trying to find out things and
Speaker 4: parts out things and what question to ask and okay,
Speaker 4: well you said this, Well I'm going to say this,
Speaker 4: and here's your text, here's my text. One numbercent this
Speaker 4: is one percent of the reason why Jews make great
Speaker 4: lawyers because of them studying gamara in Taya, like from the.
Speaker 2: From from early age. They're learning the art of rhetorical
Speaker 2: debate and litigation as a principle to who they are
Speaker 2: as people. I mean that find me a better lawyer.
Speaker 2: Holy shit? Right anyway?
Speaker 4: Correct, So getting back to the All right, so as
Speaker 4: we know, say, part of this is we're going to
Speaker 4: kind of go over a little bit of what we
Speaker 4: been over before, but just kind of as a recap.
Speaker 4: So on the twenty fifth day, he said, begins the
Speaker 4: festival of holidays. So what a commemorate so kind of
Speaker 4: can commemorates the miracles that occurred during the reign of
Speaker 4: the Greek Serian Empire. This was an empire in the
Speaker 4: time of the Second Temple. They made decrees against the Jews.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. On the twenty fifth Keys leave, when
Speaker 4: the Jews ended the table, they discovered a single flask
Speaker 4: a pure oil. This oil was enough to last for
Speaker 4: one day. A miracle occurred and the oil lasted for
Speaker 4: eight days.
Speaker 2: Real reason, real quick, real quick, you said pure oil.
Speaker 2: Is this the like the oil that was to be
Speaker 2: used in the temple or is this just pure oil?
Speaker 4: Is in?
Speaker 2: It was just really high quality oil.
Speaker 4: So it was not only was it pure, but it
Speaker 4: was specifically designated for the temple. So the whole idea
Speaker 4: is that this one shrews of oil that had the
Speaker 4: seal of the high priest was still sealed. Okay, that
Speaker 4: is what and that's what was burned for those eight days.
Speaker 2: And so this is different from anointing oil. Correct, Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: making sure, making sure the only reason I'm asking, because
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, the anointing oil had to use
Speaker 2: like hissop and a couple other herbs that were in
Speaker 2: it to be used for the anointing. And that was
Speaker 2: the big thing. They just found like a hundred gallon
Speaker 2: of the correct anointing oil while they were doing some
Speaker 2: excavation in Jerusalem, which is it's crazy as far as
Speaker 2: like the people that get down with biblical end time prophecies,
Speaker 2: that believe that we're in the end times, they have
Speaker 2: been trying to figure out because some of the herbs
Speaker 2: that were used in creating the correct anointing oil have
Speaker 2: since gone extinct. So they were looking at maybe if
Speaker 2: there was like a second cousin to this plant or
Speaker 2: something like that they'd be able to use. And as
Speaker 2: they were doing some random excavation in Jerusalem, they found
Speaker 2: a giant sealed clay pot with one hundred gallons of
Speaker 2: the correct anointing oil dated back to the time before
Speaker 2: the even in the BC era, So it was wild
Speaker 2: how that took place. So just making sure here that
Speaker 2: is not the type of oil we're talking about as.
Speaker 4: Far as the lamps secure, but so as far as
Speaker 4: the lampscope, it is one morecent sure olive oil.
Speaker 2: Got you continue.
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: I don't mean to keep getting you off track, brother,
Speaker 2: but I have.
Speaker 4: Some no please please, I mean, that's literally why I'm here.
Speaker 2: It's any of the good cult members that are gonna
Speaker 2: listen to this and say, you know what, why are
Speaker 2: y'all talking about the Jews? And because it's a Hanukah
Speaker 2: episode and because tis the season you dick. Okay, I
Speaker 2: want to hear from you in the comments section. Let
Speaker 2: us know what you think about this. Do you think
Speaker 2: that this is a crazy cult like following Do you
Speaker 2: think that this is actually very interesting, this type of
Speaker 2: a deep dive into this religious organization. We want to
Speaker 2: hear from you. And Hey, if you listen to the
Speaker 2: first few minutes of this and you're like, God, they're
Speaker 2: just talking about the Jews, I don't want to listen
Speaker 2: to it, then don't fucking listen. Listen to next episode
Speaker 2: when we talk about Christianity and how a lot of
Speaker 2: these beliefs that people think are so pagan are actually
Speaker 2: like super Christian. Okay, just saying we're giving everybody there
Speaker 2: fair shake hell tomorrow's episodes about kwanza I'm trying to
Speaker 2: find a dashiki to wear, so I don't want to
Speaker 2: hear no shit, but anyway, continue.
Speaker 4: Royce fantastic, all right. So the day of the Syrian
Speaker 4: Army's final defeat was on the twentieth fifth of Keith Love.
Speaker 4: As we said previously, when the Jews entered the temple,
Speaker 4: they discovered a single flask of pure oil. This oil
Speaker 4: was enough to last for one day, and miracle occur
Speaker 4: and the oil lasted for eight days. For this reason,
Speaker 4: the stages in that generation decreed upon the Jews to
Speaker 4: annually celebrate eight days of Knika, beginning from the twenty fifth. Alternatively,
Speaker 4: some sages explained the festival was established not due to
Speaker 4: the miracle of the candle's horn, but in the celebration
Speaker 4: of the completion of the of the Tabernacle in the
Speaker 4: times of Moses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, right, we're going to dose your reread
Speaker 2: that one's a hold on now eight days of Hankah,
Speaker 2: and you say it started on the twenty.
Speaker 4: Fifth, So it does begin on the twenty.
Speaker 2: Fifth, but of the Jewish month, not in the month
Speaker 2: of December as we look at it today, correct, all right,
Speaker 2: all right, So the twenty fifth of that month, as
Speaker 2: of the Gregorian calendar, falls on what date?
Speaker 4: Yes? This? So the the reason why I said yes
Speaker 4: is because, as we spoke about a little bit ago,
Speaker 4: as far as the Jewish calendar, and since the Jewish
Speaker 4: calendar is a primarily a mixture of the lunar and
Speaker 4: solar days.
Speaker 2: It transfers year to year correct.
Speaker 4: So every two to three years it bumps, it bumps around.
Speaker 4: As far as the Jewish calendar, it will always be
Speaker 4: on the twenty fifth of keithlet However, with the Gregorian calendar,
Speaker 4: it's going to move around, specifically because we have our
Speaker 4: calendar excuse me, of three hundred and fifty four days
Speaker 4: as opposed to the Greguring calendar three and sixty five,
Speaker 4: and there needs to be a lead month every two
Speaker 4: and three years. So it'll go up, and they'll go back,
Speaker 4: well for a couple of years, and then it'll go
Speaker 4: back all right.
Speaker 2: Right, So we were talking about this as far as
Speaker 2: the Christmas episode goes, because so many people think that
Speaker 2: December twenty fifth has its roots in so many other
Speaker 2: traditions and things and stuff, even though not a single
Speaker 2: bit of evidence can prove that as far as Yule,
Speaker 2: as far as Soul and Victis, as far as Saturnalia,
Speaker 2: as far as winter Solstice, all of these things, in
Speaker 2: the latest date that I can find is December twenty first, right,
Speaker 2: which is fine cool. I've had no shade thrown towards
Speaker 2: the people that get down on that. But as far
Speaker 2: as why December twenty fifth was chosen, I've been trying
Speaker 2: to find some sort of a rhyme or reason behind this.
Speaker 2: You're saying that per the Jewish tradition, it does fall
Speaker 2: on the twenty fifth day of the month that starts
Speaker 2: of the k.
Speaker 4: Kish Levka, I asked.
Speaker 2: Lav Kislev very interesting, okay, now, and to do a
Speaker 2: little bit more digging to see if Christmas falls on
Speaker 2: that because of that or what the reason behind it.
Speaker 2: The best I can find, what you're going to talk
Speaker 2: about more on the Christmas episode with cult members is
Speaker 2: that basically, per the ancient traditions and not just in
Speaker 2: Judaism or Romanism or Hellenism or any of these things,
Speaker 2: they thought that it was proper and holy for you
Speaker 2: to die on the day that you were conceived. I
Speaker 2: don't know where that comes from. I couldn't tell you,
Speaker 2: but essentially they're saying, because everybody thinks he died, we
Speaker 2: know that as far as Christmas, Jesus died on during
Speaker 2: the Passover feast, right, there was a whole thing that's
Speaker 2: documented beyond any shadow of any doubt. So that would
Speaker 2: mean that nine months prior to that he was conceived,
Speaker 2: which means that he was born somehow, but bu bup
Speaker 2: December twenty fifth, even though per the records, he was
Speaker 2: probably born in September. So why was December twenty fifth
Speaker 2: chosen to be the day of celebration for this? Now,
Speaker 2: this might be that connecting thread to say that the
Speaker 2: twenty fifth of Keith Love Keith Lev Keith Love.
Speaker 4: Keith Lev Lev l ev eliv.
Speaker 2: Making sure that might be that connective thread to why
Speaker 2: they decided that, because that is is that the last
Speaker 2: mon the Jewish calendar per the year. Wait, no, y'all's
Speaker 2: New Year's is in September.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh shit, okay, yeah, actually we're in the number
Speaker 4: of New year's we have the new year of trees.
Speaker 4: We have when our calendar starts, the new year of
Speaker 4: trees called yeah, it's called rushing on for trees.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to do a whole nother backstory on
Speaker 2: that one. The trees isn't like the Cedars of Lebanon
Speaker 2: or like what we were talking about here.
Speaker 4: No, just I will have to get back to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah don't. I don't have that.
Speaker 2: But we'll put a pin in that one. For another episode.
Speaker 2: But all right, so we'll see, I'll do some more
Speaker 2: digging and see if that might be the reason why
Speaker 2: December twenty fifth was chosen. I don't know that for
Speaker 2: a fact. But Keith Lev, as far as the Gregorian calendar,
Speaker 2: typically falls between like mid December to mid January.
Speaker 4: Correct November to December.
Speaker 2: November December. Interesting? So wait, so typically December twenty fifth
Speaker 2: falls in the next month.
Speaker 4: So like between I mean between like late November and
Speaker 4: late December is when Chronica normally falls as far as
Speaker 4: the Good Goring calendar.
Speaker 2: But Keith Lev itself is typically in.
Speaker 4: I as either in November or December. Like right now,
Speaker 4: as of time of recording, we are the twenty fourth
Speaker 4: of Keith's.
Speaker 2: Leve Okay, okay, so what's the next month after today?
Speaker 4: Night too? Sure? Kevett? Which is actually the month that
Speaker 4: was born?
Speaker 2: Kennett?
Speaker 4: Tevett?
Speaker 2: T e v e t Tevett tevatt. So does the
Speaker 2: Christian Christmas typically fall in Tevtt?
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you. I hadn't paid attention for a
Speaker 4: number of years.
Speaker 2: How interesting?
Speaker 4: Maybe?
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna have to do more digging, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you.
Speaker 4: It ranges to be honest with so good.
Speaker 2: Cult members out there listening. My background as far as
Speaker 2: Hebrew knowledge very briefly ties into Old Testament sources and
Speaker 2: me doing a little bit of deep diving into some
Speaker 2: of these sources. But for the majority of the shit
Speaker 2: that I learned, it's Royce. Just so we're all clear, Like,
Speaker 2: I I know a little bit, and then I talked
Speaker 2: to Royce and realize how little I actually know, And
Speaker 2: then I know a lot of Christians will be like,
Speaker 2: why are you talking to a Hebrew to learn these sources?
Speaker 2: Because that is where this all stems from. How can
Speaker 2: you know where you're going if you don't know where
Speaker 2: you've been. Just so we're all on the same page.
Speaker 2: So okay, okay, so weird size tangents. Anyway, Hanukkah ends,
Speaker 2: like you said on the twenty fifth of Keithon.
Speaker 4: It starts, it starts. It starts on the twenty and
Speaker 4: then ends in the next month.
Speaker 2: Got you. It ends in the next month, So it
Speaker 2: ends in.
Speaker 4: Correction, it ends I think the second of Tebbett.
Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, all right, cool, cool, cool, So moving on. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to detract I just want to make
Speaker 2: sure we're all on the same page.
Speaker 4: Either one of you are more than welcome to interrupt
Speaker 4: me at any point in time, and I will answer
Speaker 4: things to the best of my abilities. Dope, all right,
Speaker 4: let's go, all right, So all right, let me get back.
Speaker 4: All right. So, and alternatively, there are some stages that
Speaker 4: explain that the festival was established not due to the
Speaker 4: miracle of the candles, but in celebration of the completion
Speaker 4: of the tabernacles in the time of Moses, the reinauguration
Speaker 4: of the altar by the Kshmanaim the Hasmonians after its
Speaker 4: defilement by the Greeks, which took place on the twenty
Speaker 4: fifth of Keith left. So with next, we are going
Speaker 4: to go with the meaning I can get this scroll right,
Speaker 4: the meaning of the nam Konica. So several interpretations are
Speaker 4: offered for the meeting behind the nam Konica. So the
Speaker 4: name Kanaka is or could be an abbreviation for they
Speaker 4: rested from their enemies on the twenty fifth of Kysla
Speaker 4: Khanu and then Ka which is twenty five Kanaka made
Speaker 4: the inauguration, implying that at that time the temple and
Speaker 4: the altar were reinaugurated after their defilement by the Greeks.
Speaker 4: According to this explanation, the festival was established in celebration
Speaker 4: of this inauguration and not due to the americals of
Speaker 4: the canals. It also hints at the inauguration of the
Speaker 4: tabernacle in the times of Moses, as the Mishigun with
Speaker 4: the portable temple or tabernacle was completed on the twenty
Speaker 4: fifth of Kislav, and it was not inaugurated until the
Speaker 4: first of Nissan, which is really at the beginning of
Speaker 4: our months. As far as how we determine pollen it
Speaker 4: so Hashem God therefore repaid the month of Kislav by
Speaker 4: having the reinauguration of the filed temple and Ultra take
Speaker 4: place on this day. Thus it is considered as if
Speaker 4: the original inauguration in the Michigan occurred on the twenty
Speaker 4: third of keith Lev, and it is this event that
Speaker 4: we are celebrating. So others suggest that it commemorates the
Speaker 4: inauguration of the temple in the times of Hagui the
Speaker 4: prophet during the binding or do the building, during the
Speaker 4: building of the second.
Speaker 2: Table, do you throw the flim on Hagi?
Speaker 4: I mean it's a word to Jewish orts keep your word.
Speaker 2: No, I know the prophet, but we say Hagi. You
Speaker 2: say ha Gui.
Speaker 4: How many people do you know for America that can
Speaker 4: put that where it's where it's deemed z for Zachariah.
Speaker 2: Wait, you say that one again.
Speaker 4: Zachariah is Zachariah. Y has kill is Ezekiel? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 4: I feel like yechkil is? How you say Ezekiel?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not saying this in some sort of like
Speaker 2: I want to learn how to put correct pronounced his name.
Speaker 2: So Hagi in the Bible? How like so many people
Speaker 2: say that it's ha Gui? Yeah, okay, and then say
Speaker 2: Ezekiel again?
Speaker 4: Yeah as heal?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Hes you throw filim on that last part? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: has killed God through the film on the wrong part.
Speaker 3: Is this like an Aron situation?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, this is legitimately an Aron situation, Like they feel,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what this is?
Speaker 1: This is why this was created in the A situation.
Speaker 2: I need to learn this, this is this is blowing
Speaker 2: my fucking mind right now. For at this point it's
Speaker 2: like you mean no, Hes, Yeah, I don't know. I'm learning.
Speaker 3: I can't right now. I'm just y'all.
Speaker 2: Wait, is Abraham?
Speaker 4: Abraham no, but it's it's actually an av not ab.
Speaker 4: So it's alva.
Speaker 2: God damn it av hm. That's this. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: happy that I'm learning the correct pronunciations, honestly and again
Speaker 2: good cult members. This is why we have the resident
Speaker 2: Jewish correspondent. He is teaching me so many things that
Speaker 2: are blowing my fucking mind. For thirty three years, I
Speaker 2: thought I knew how to pronunciate the word easy heal.
Speaker 2: I had been so wrong.
Speaker 4: In English at the perfect job, just got a hear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that's the point though. It is a
Speaker 2: Hebrew word, so we should at least throw the It's
Speaker 2: like all right. So I had a buddy of mine, right,
Speaker 2: his name is Leif, with like Leif Ericson and Susan.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: No, if you met him, you would love leaf.
Speaker 3: He's actually no, I actually know the name leaf, like
Speaker 3: we did.
Speaker 2: You know it's actually pronounced leaf.
Speaker 3: I know it's and so.
Speaker 2: Leaf my boy homeboy at that Marine Corps veteran combat deployment,
Speaker 2: the whole nine. And I met him on the job
Speaker 2: site once upon a time and I was like, your
Speaker 2: name is Leif? That is so sick, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: except for my second grade teacher that would not call
Speaker 2: me by it. She kept calling me Leif And then
Speaker 2: come to find out, that's how you actually.
Speaker 1: Pronounce it, actually, how you pronounce it. I looked at
Speaker 1: it for one of my kids' names.
Speaker 2: But the dude was born and bred in in Thibodeaux,
Speaker 2: so like, he don't be knowing how to pronounce the
Speaker 2: Nordic words, so he found out the hard way. So again,
Speaker 2: I would like to hear the correct pronunciation so that
Speaker 2: I can move forward with that kind of knowledge, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 2: moving on with that.
Speaker 4: With Isaiah, so it's either yashaya or you Shayahu.
Speaker 2: So okay, now I have to ask my name is Jacob,
Speaker 2: and that's a Hebrew ass name. I know it was
Speaker 2: changed to is like hell, what is it?
Speaker 4: Yahako?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yahaka yahakov yak that's what yahakah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no yah ah ah yah yahaka correct yaakov
Speaker 4: c cove.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is what I'm gonna call you from now on, so.
Speaker 4: Hold on here.
Speaker 6: So depending on some sect of causidium, they like, they
Speaker 6: they pronounced like, uh, the iron the second letter they
Speaker 6: kind of like like, so.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so the yank yank, Oh.
Speaker 2: God no, No, if somebody calls me yankee if I
Speaker 2: got a problem, it sounds too much like yankee. And
Speaker 2: I ain't about that bullship from Louisiana.
Speaker 4: I mean, and even even the thing that will make
Speaker 4: you you know, so it'll be.
Speaker 2: Yeah a Cove. Wow, I'm gonna start calling my son
Speaker 2: that because that's his name, but also because I keep
Speaker 2: calling him Yakob as a joke. No, yah a Cove,
Speaker 2: yave O. And you could see I can see myself
Speaker 2: calling him that whenever he's like when I'm angry at him, Yah, Coke,
Speaker 2: bring you ass over here, Like that's a whole thing.
Speaker 2: That's a whole thing that's gonna happen now. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I've never actually asked you how to correctly pronounce my
Speaker 2: name in Hebrew. So I'm very glad that we know
Speaker 2: this information.
Speaker 4: I sent it to you.
Speaker 2: You have, but I've never heard it pronounced.
Speaker 4: This is different.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about this entire that entire like little
Speaker 1: clip where he just says all those different names, and
Speaker 1: I'm just like, that's I'm trying. That's what I feel
Speaker 1: like this is right now.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, Cove, is this a on the cove
Speaker 2: or is it a har k.
Speaker 4: Okay, damn it.
Speaker 3: No, no flim you got.
Speaker 1: You just really want that flim on your name.
Speaker 2: Like we're gonna it's a Hebrew name. Can we have
Speaker 2: some flim? You know what I'm saying. But no, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna work that way.
Speaker 4: We take away you're change.
Speaker 2: I mean that count for something that does you turn
Speaker 2: the J to a why or I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what letter it is for you all, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that hell yeah.
Speaker 4: Which is essentially which is a why.
Speaker 2: Sound all right, fair enough? Word it up? All right, Sorry,
Speaker 2: so we're continuing here. I'm sorry we got way off
Speaker 2: on a tangent on Jewish names.
Speaker 4: The changes are fun, like as much fun as all
Speaker 4: these episodes are. Sometimes the tangents kind of make it
Speaker 4: worse wild, you know, it's just it's fun.
Speaker 2: I agree. I know some people are like, oh, they
Speaker 2: go on so many tangents. The tangs are like the
Speaker 2: eighty d breaks. Okay, we all need them, thank you.
Speaker 4: This is also what the Gamara does. It literally will
Speaker 4: go on rabbit will go on page long, rabbit hole
Speaker 4: tangents and then finally get back to the same subject.
Speaker 4: So I think it's just human nature. It's sort of truth,
Speaker 4: fair enough, all right, So I'm considering. So the name
Speaker 4: Tronica stands for the word tests, which is also a
Speaker 4: letter as well as number for eight, So narrows mahalakaka.
Speaker 4: Bass Hillo means, which means the eight candles are lit
Speaker 4: as the rules of base Hillo. We were talking about before,
Speaker 4: the difference in in houses between Shamai and Bayhillo, where
Speaker 4: one goes up and then the other one goes down.
Speaker 4: So this is basically the name for Kanaga says that
Speaker 4: we follow that particular house.
Speaker 2: When you say a particular house, you don't mean actual.
Speaker 4: House, school school of thought.
Speaker 2: Got to be more accurate, got you continue.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's funny because it's called bass Hillo, which literally
Speaker 6: means the house of Hello, but it doesn't mean houses
Speaker 6: in like a structure.
Speaker 4: It means a school of thought. Just making sure, I mean, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: exactly what raven Claw, pubble Puff Slytherin and I'm kinda
Speaker 4: forget that.
Speaker 2: So just making sure because you'll hear the certain houses
Speaker 2: and not even talking about Hogwarts or Game of Thrones
Speaker 2: or whatever. But houses typically mean like a family or
Speaker 2: some sort of a blood lineage, So you mean a
Speaker 2: school of thought, which I guess in another regard could
Speaker 2: be blood lineage if we're going that far back in time,
Speaker 2: But all right, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: And by the way, tangentially on that, what's very interesting
Speaker 4: is that with these two these two houses are very
Speaker 4: very famous as far as the Gamarai and elsewhere, and
Speaker 4: one house is notoriously stringent, and one house is our
Speaker 4: school thought is notoriously more lenient. So it's just very
Speaker 4: interesting when when they're when there are things that are used,
Speaker 4: and it's funny. You can ask me a question, and
Speaker 4: very often I will. I can't get you a direct
Speaker 4: answer because there are differences of opinions. There are certain
Speaker 4: opinions that say it's this way. There's an opinions this way,
Speaker 4: But we believe that there's a verse that says these
Speaker 4: and these are words of God. So just because we
Speaker 4: follow a certain school of thought in one aspect, does
Speaker 4: it mean that it's any less valid, But just there's
Speaker 4: a time and place for it. And right now the
Speaker 4: majority follows this opinion. Yeah, for for sure, Like is
Speaker 4: it is it left or right?
Speaker 6: Yes, Like there's there's a t opinion, there's there's a
Speaker 6: there's a leaning opinion, and there's that goes every everywhere
Speaker 6: in between.
Speaker 2: I don't envy your religious fervor when it comes in
Speaker 2: one regard, I do you, specifically you as a individual,
Speaker 2: your religious fervor, it's inspirational. I do not envy your
Speaker 2: religious rules that depending on which school of thought or
Speaker 2: which version wrote it down, depends on which version you
Speaker 2: should lean more heavily towards. Its my God, the amount
Speaker 2: of studious liturgical work that needs to be done to
Speaker 2: even feel like you are doing the mostess is it's impressive.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 4: Thank you. Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong. In a certain regard,
Speaker 2: I wish I was Jewish so I could have this
Speaker 2: kind of fun because I am somebody who like loves
Speaker 2: digging into the history, the original in tent, all these things.
Speaker 2: So like for me personally, for my nerddom, it would
Speaker 2: be fun. But also, holy fuck, I would step out
Speaker 2: of line so often accidentally it's not even funny. So
Speaker 2: it's just like.
Speaker 1: There's like there's no way, like like.
Speaker 3: Just listening to you, I'm like nope, like mm mmm,
Speaker 3: not in not in a cold day in health.
Speaker 2: Which also you have tattoos, doesn't that mean and I
Speaker 2: don't know the version of Judaism, but doesn't that mean
Speaker 2: that you can't be buried with your family.
Speaker 4: Or some shit. So there was a rumor a long
Speaker 4: time ago that says if you have tattoos, you are
Speaker 4: not able to get buried in the Jewish cemetery or
Speaker 4: have Jewish rites performed on you. That is not accurate.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're cool to get tattoos.
Speaker 4: I happen to love tattoos. Should I get tattoos?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 4: Am I going to get more? Possibly? That's one of
Speaker 4: the things that I'm very like.
Speaker 1: I I'm gonna say it was like the Christians are
Speaker 1: more stringent than the damn Jews on the tatto and
Speaker 1: the tattoos, Like.
Speaker 4: It comes from us, it comes from believe it or not.
Speaker 4: The tourist says not to do it.
Speaker 2: But then the Book of Ezekiel it says that God
Speaker 2: has a tattoo of your face on the palm of
Speaker 2: his hand. And it's like what It's like, yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 4: Do you know? Yep?
Speaker 3: Like I'm just gonna sit here, No, all right, wait.
Speaker 2: The Jews get down the Book of Ezekiel. Correct, we
Speaker 2: talked about this. Correct, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, So it
Speaker 2: talks about God having not They don't use the word
Speaker 2: word tattoo, but basically, he has an inscription of your
Speaker 2: face on the palm of his hand, and it's like
Speaker 2: a whole thing.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like complete metaphor.
Speaker 2: No, No, they mean that God knows you so well,
Speaker 2: he loves you so much that he has your face
Speaker 2: on his palm and you're gonna see that when you
Speaker 2: get to heaven.
Speaker 4: I agree. So one of the reasons why I agree
Speaker 4: with Raven is that whenever we try to anthropomorphize God.
Speaker 1: That's a word.
Speaker 2: No, I know, it's a word, but I'm just like, wait,
Speaker 2: you don't believe that God has any human feature whatsoever?
Speaker 4: No, so no, so hold on. So whenever we talk
Speaker 4: about the hand of God the eye of God, like
Speaker 4: God does not have a physical form, that's something it's
Speaker 4: very very antithetical.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me go jewish as fuck on you real quick.
Speaker 2: So whenever Moses saw the backside of God.
Speaker 4: And was blinded, right, so I understand, I'm he.
Speaker 2: Got blinded by God's cakes dog.
Speaker 4: So I know we were talking about It's funny that
Speaker 4: I never actually looked into it. As far as.
Speaker 2: For the record, I don't actually I don't particularly care
Speaker 2: if God has some sort of human features. I think that,
Speaker 2: especially the Book of Ezekiel, that is meant to be
Speaker 2: interpretive in certain regards and literal in certain regards. What
Speaker 2: I mean by his hand is that legitimately God has you, know,
Speaker 2: you that close to him, that he sees you daily,
Speaker 2: he looks at you in his hand. Now, I hope
Speaker 2: that when I get to Heaven and I'm standing before
Speaker 2: my Creator, he shows me He's like, oh no, I
Speaker 2: love you so much, dude. Look at here your face
Speaker 2: on my hand, Like I like, love you, dude. I
Speaker 2: hope that's the conversation that happens. I gotta feeling it's
Speaker 2: gonna be all yeah, the ultimate face. It will be
Speaker 2: more like him rearing back from downtown to smack the
Speaker 2: fuck out of with a picture of my own face.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I hope so, absolutely so.
Speaker 4: So in the days of Kanaka, they miraculously kindled the
Speaker 4: Noora for eight days. Lenora has seven lamps. So, and
Speaker 4: this was during the times of the temple, so we're
Speaker 4: not talking about our Knakia that has nine. So the
Speaker 4: Lenora had on seven lamps. So during this period of
Speaker 4: the miracle, the kindled seven lights for eight days, for
Speaker 4: a total of fifty six candles, which in Hebrew is
Speaker 4: the numerical of nunvove candles. Correct total, So in the
Speaker 4: days of Connica, you know the whole miracle, right was it?
Speaker 4: So the manora had seven lamps. So during the period
Speaker 4: of these eight days, a total of fifty six candles
Speaker 4: were lit, not one like one of like if they
Speaker 4: if they lit all seven one day, then they let
Speaker 4: all seven the next day and so forth. That's I
Speaker 4: got you.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, wait time out. Now we talked about how
Speaker 2: a hanakia is is a this is is a manora,
Speaker 2: but a minora is not necessarily a hanakia.
Speaker 4: Correct, Okay?
Speaker 2: Is there a manora that has more than eight or nine?
Speaker 4: So theoretically so any so a manora and Hebrew just
Speaker 4: means candle aubrum. So you can have nine, eleven, thirteen, whatever,
Speaker 4: but for religious purposes you only have two. You have
Speaker 4: a nine and eight seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, for religious purposes there's nine to seven? Gotcha? All right? Continue?
Speaker 4: Correct? So since so a part of so the letters
Speaker 4: that comprise of kronic is so hess and Nunvov and
Speaker 4: then Hugh Hey. So Hess is numerical for eight. So
Speaker 4: for eight days Sonnav was fifty six, so fifty six
Speaker 4: candles were from miraculously candled on the twenty uh half Hey,
Speaker 4: which is the twenty fifth. So these are all numerical
Speaker 4: ways of how Khanika was was made or not the
Speaker 4: word for khanika so and then in total, so now
Speaker 4: we're talking about nowadays, we light thirty six candles throughout
Speaker 4: all the days of Kaniga, not including the not including
Speaker 4: the shamash, so just the just the six says, So
Speaker 4: this is where we're going to get into a little kabala.
Speaker 4: It says this corresponds to the thirty six hours in
Speaker 4: which the or Hagan news shone during the time of
Speaker 4: Adam Harusha, which is the first man. And I wanted
Speaker 4: to know what exactly the or Haga news was, and
Speaker 4: it says, so the or Hagan news or the hidden light,
Speaker 4: it is a significal.
Speaker 2: Or Haga news means candle light, hidden light, hidden light,
Speaker 2: got you correct?
Speaker 4: So the or Haaga news or the or the hidden
Speaker 4: light is a significant concept and Cobbalistic tradition representing the
Speaker 4: primordial light of creation that serves as the blueprint for
Speaker 4: all creations. The Orhaga News is believed to have shown
Speaker 4: for the thirty six hours before being hidden, symbolizing the
Speaker 4: balance between revelation and concealment and the creation process.
Speaker 2: The news is a cobbolic reference.
Speaker 4: Cabalistic term. Yeah, the Orhagan News is a cobblistic reference.
Speaker 2: So Hanukkah and the candles in the Minerva and all
Speaker 2: this has its roots in Kabbalistic texts. Somewhat yes, okay, continue, sir.
Speaker 4: So it says it is the essence of the divine
Speaker 4: unity and purpose, guiding and sustaining creation through the constant
Speaker 4: flow of divine energy. So it says, alternatively, it also
Speaker 4: these thirty six lights that we light also corresponds to
Speaker 4: the thirty six tractates of the Gamara that the Greek's
Speaker 4: desire to abolish, because there are thirty six different sections
Speaker 4: of the Tomlin or chapter books I guess, or chapter
Speaker 4: heads like shot, this is one is one, Tinus is one.
Speaker 4: So just so on its open all right, So now,
Speaker 4: which means fasting like fast days.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, okay, but like it sounds like which is a
Speaker 2: book in the New Testament I'm just making the page
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 4: So it's funny. There there's the actual word in Hebrew,
Speaker 4: and then there's the pronunciation of it. So for example,
Speaker 4: amy torah, you can say shabbats or you say shots.
Speaker 4: You can say nets or tiness. So just kind of
Speaker 4: a pronunciation thing, gotcha, all right, So now we are
Speaker 4: going to answer one of the questions that you had
Speaker 4: as far as the manora. So the commonly depicted shape
Speaker 4: of the minora contains herved half circle branches and is
Speaker 4: used for coinage, marketing designs, and sculpture art. So the
Speaker 4: rebby who is Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson or the last
Speaker 4: Rebbe of Kabad.
Speaker 2: That is also the Jewish name I've ever heard, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, Uh yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean it's so it's funny in in in every
Speaker 4: So in every household, every household, you're going to have
Speaker 4: a Manaka Mendel. Either they'll be called Mandy or Mana
Speaker 4: or like or some variation of it. It's as far
Speaker 4: as that world. Like at the very least one son
Speaker 4: is going to be Manaka Mendel. Another is going to
Speaker 4: be Schneer's almon or lady Ystock. So there's what percent.
Speaker 2: So all right, so this is like the Italian naming
Speaker 2: everybody Peter Pauli.
Speaker 4: And in that community, yes, or and then like you'll
Speaker 4: have moishe which which is Moses.
Speaker 2: Moist she is? How you pronounce Moses.
Speaker 4: Is how you pronounce don't you hold on?
Speaker 2: Hold the funk on moisty? How you pronounced Moses no.
Speaker 4: Is how is the actual pronunciation, But like you have
Speaker 4: various uh flare on it depending on the name. Okay,
Speaker 4: Like I like I know two people who were names
Speaker 4: Abraham except one in one of them I call Ave,
Speaker 4: the other one I called a roomy.
Speaker 2: So yes, how do you pronounce Noah?
Speaker 4: Uh? Noah the flame on the end for no reason?
Speaker 3: No, no, I understand, So no hold on.
Speaker 6: So here's here's what's cool. So Noah means comfort. Monoch
Speaker 6: is the same route. So the root of Monoch is
Speaker 6: Noah man Noah no ship.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, how do you pronounce adam adam adam? Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: that's fine, that's close enough, all right.
Speaker 4: So Eve, how about this? Hold on? So Eve, I
Speaker 4: have no idea where you came from? On wait, wait,
Speaker 4: am I right? Cava?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm just I was getting there.
Speaker 2: I've heard that name be used in Israeli women's names.
Speaker 6: Haava is eve so Becausejava comes from Kai, which means life,
Speaker 6: and Hava was the.
Speaker 4: Original, was the origin of all life. So Kava is
Speaker 4: how you say where I came from? I have no idea.
Speaker 2: You're Jewish? Lilith? How do you pronounce that name?
Speaker 1: You're Jewish?
Speaker 4: No ship.
Speaker 1: The last hours?
Speaker 2: Okay, Raven come down?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: Hold on. Lilith only comes up in certain Hebrew text.
Speaker 2: There's no Christian liturgy to say anything about lilith being
Speaker 2: a real thing. And I'm not even saying if you
Speaker 2: do or don't believe in lilith? But how do you
Speaker 2: pronounce that in Hebrew?
Speaker 4: I believe it? So, first of all, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I'm no. So it would if anything, it would
Speaker 4: be elite's. But I don't know because that's not okay,
Speaker 4: that's actually not your name. It's used, all right enough?
Speaker 4: Call it a forbidden is. So here's nothing.
Speaker 3: Forbidden to say.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's for like, it's just not
Speaker 4: used the world, so you know, I don't think it's so,
Speaker 4: it's it's that word is Lilis is used in certain
Speaker 4: cabalistic texts, I believe, but as far as like most
Speaker 4: day to day it's not really used. Also interesting, so robot,
Speaker 4: so you smile is very very hubre Ishmael okay, right,
Speaker 4: and she was one of Abraham's sons. And in the
Speaker 4: town there is or was somebody who we go by
Speaker 4: or who goes by raby smile. But Ishmael is not
Speaker 4: used because of Muslins. We we've pretty much stopped using
Speaker 4: that because of that, like.
Speaker 2: As in using it in naming your children then correct.
Speaker 4: So there's basically no you smile, even though it's even
Speaker 4: though it means that you know, you smile means that
Speaker 4: God hears, but it's not used.
Speaker 2: It's like Adolph in Germany, we just don't be using
Speaker 2: that anymore, you know, although Adolf Hitler just won the
Speaker 2: election in Angola, so neither here or there I know
Speaker 2: a what mm hmm, you know an actual adude with
Speaker 2: the first name Adolf. Yeah, the dude I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: His first name is Adolf, his midden name is Hitler,
Speaker 2: and his last name is something of that culture and tribe.
Speaker 3: But like all right, mm hmmm, yep, wow, people be
Speaker 3: people be peopling.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, there's this dude, Dolph lungdren right.
Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna talk about Dolf Ziggler.
Speaker 2: I was like, fuck yeah, him too, Hell yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's not Adolph. They changed it to make it not
Speaker 2: that guy. So that's good things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's Susan and Hebrew?
Speaker 1: Don't ask why.
Speaker 2: I just thought it's a Hebrew word to count a
Speaker 2: Hebrew word.
Speaker 4: Susan is not let me give me Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, Sarah Hebrew word?
Speaker 2: Oh, Sarah is Sarah Sarah in the Bible? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that was That was Abraham's wife, Sarah, Sarah Sarah Yo.
Speaker 2: I tell you what. I had a teacher and we
Speaker 2: had like five Sarah's in my class, and she kept
Speaker 2: pronouncing the words Sarah and nobody corrected her because she
Speaker 2: was a good teacher. She genuinely was a kind woman.
Speaker 2: She had literally this is her first year teaching. She
Speaker 2: was straight out of the uh Zeta Zeta Zeta sorority,
Speaker 2: and you could tell by talking to this white woman
Speaker 2: she was but whatever, okay, And so finally somebody was like,
Speaker 2: why do you keep calling her Sara? Her name is Sarah,
Speaker 2: and she's like, but she doesn't mind. And then Sarah
Speaker 2: stood up and I was like, yeah, I do. My
Speaker 2: name is not Saraha, but apparently per the Hebrew tradition,
Speaker 2: it is pronounced sara ya. No shit.
Speaker 4: Oh did you say zadi if a few seconds ago?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sorority zeta, zeta zeta.
Speaker 4: Oh. So it's funny because like if you want to say,
Speaker 4: like your your grandfather, it's it's Zadi ZAIDI is grandfather.
Speaker 3: I'm using it.
Speaker 2: What's grandmother?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Uh? Softer softer?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, we have so many weird ass
Speaker 1: names down here.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to use it.
Speaker 2: So I've heard that be used by Jewish people.
Speaker 4: It would be like my we bet my grandmother, Like
Speaker 4: whenever you so that, that would be like you're so.
Speaker 2: You have a soft die if I'm talking about it,
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about my soft das.
Speaker 4: Right, No ship saying with a wife, like if I
Speaker 4: want to say like my wife as opposed to which
Speaker 4: is your wife? Same thing?
Speaker 2: Okay. So Sophia, for instance, and we talked about this
Speaker 2: offline Sophia, which a lot of people believe is God's
Speaker 2: wife because she is mentioned as wisdom that was with God,
Speaker 2: even though the word for wisdom in Hebrew is sophia.
Speaker 4: And right, say it again, Hakma hawkma like there's like,
Speaker 4: oh so very good. Raven coma is how how.
Speaker 2: You say hakma?
Speaker 1: I got down?
Speaker 4: There's two. There's two. There's there's in the in the
Speaker 4: beginning and the middle.
Speaker 2: The word sophia is hama.
Speaker 4: No, the word for wisdom. I don't know what sofia.
Speaker 4: So the word for wisdom is cokma.
Speaker 2: Interesting And somehow when that got turned into a, when
Speaker 2: that got hellenized, it got turned into the words sofia
Speaker 2: and correct me if I'm wrong, And we talked about
Speaker 2: the offline, so I already know your answer. The Hebrew language,
Speaker 2: very similar to Spanish and Italian and all these others,
Speaker 2: has genders associated with.
Speaker 4: The word masculine, feminine. Correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's weird. English is a weird amalgamy mostly of
Speaker 2: Germanic and Germans don't be given a fuck about genders.
Speaker 3: That's fair. It's just weird that we don't have it, Okay.
Speaker 2: Fact angry language. Have you ever heard Germans speak to
Speaker 2: each other? They sound pissed off, but in reality they're
Speaker 2: like changing pleasure pleasantries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I have.
Speaker 1: We We had a lot of German friends actually, and
Speaker 1: the way that they talk to each other is like
Speaker 1: it's actually you guys seem angry, but I'm down for it,
Speaker 1: like fuck it.
Speaker 2: Same with Russian they sound angry less they're drunk than
Speaker 2: they sound that non salon, but like if they're actually
Speaker 2: like meaning what they say, they sound really mad all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 4: That's fair.
Speaker 1: Well, going back to Hankikah, I really want to know, honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't I don't understand what this
Speaker 1: is for. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: I'm going to get to Okay, I'm like.
Speaker 3: What is this game and what is all this about?
Speaker 3: Because I am so confused.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know y'all play gambling games on Hanukkah and.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 3: I mean money is a thing for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, I mean for for sure. And we will
Speaker 4: get into gals when you give your shame shameless plug
Speaker 4: whenever we do talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was, I was already okay to be fair though,
Speaker 1: like these are actually pretty cool coins, like you, I
Speaker 1: don't think you guys have ever described what they actually
Speaker 1: look like. So there's like a series and I took
Speaker 1: the polio vaccine one because obviously I talk about vaccines,
Speaker 1: but there's like a little thing up here that says
Speaker 1: like polio vaccine, and like each one of them has
Speaker 1: a different thing on it.
Speaker 2: And Royce, you have ordered coins before. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, you are what we only have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a lot of coins. I probably did
Speaker 4: you have coins.
Speaker 2: I know the jokes right themselves, And I've made these
Speaker 2: jokes with him offline before I got.
Speaker 6: The first when I first got involved with Sober, I said, Jacob,
Speaker 6: you sucks what I do.
Speaker 4: I said, you motherfucker I got involved with coins. It's like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, like literally the jokes. But like, by
Speaker 4: the way, here's here's of my favorite coins that I bought.
Speaker 4: You can see it.
Speaker 2: Is that the Pharaoh. Royce, you are a Jew and
Speaker 2: you bought the pharaoh coin?
Speaker 4: First of all, I thought it was First of all,
Speaker 4: it is it very much is.
Speaker 2: Secondly, bro, are you even Jewish? What is happening here?
Speaker 4: Look? Did you likes money?
Speaker 2: And did you like I can't do a fucking ship?
Speaker 1: I love that love?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 3: Is that culturally offensive?
Speaker 4: Over here?
Speaker 2: We're going out of our way. We're going to have
Speaker 2: a way to be culture to.
Speaker 1: Be fair, though we did actually really want to. We
Speaker 1: wanted to find the little draidles and like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: little curly cues.
Speaker 3: By the way, yes, okay, little things.
Speaker 2: So that silver coin is that gold for the pharaoh's
Speaker 2: face or is that anidized?
Speaker 4: So it is so it is a mixture of anionization
Speaker 4: and plate nice. And this is the This is the
Speaker 4: three ounce coin.
Speaker 3: I like a big old mighty coin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I know how to do this.
Speaker 2: One second, No, you take your time, brother, Yeah, that
Speaker 2: is a a three ounce coin. The ones that we
Speaker 2: get sent are one ounce.
Speaker 3: And that's a big gass coin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, fucking right, dude. He has a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of coins. He's a coin collector.
Speaker 2: I am, I am, but for anybody, and you know,
Speaker 2: we'll give the shameless plug in a second. Typically the
Speaker 2: coins a wee get sent are these silver dollars, right,
Speaker 2: they're the Liberty dollars. They're gorgeous and they run in series.
Speaker 2: The one they're on right now is the American Invention.
Speaker 3: There was one of those, like bifocals they have the recorder.
Speaker 2: There was one that was for the Atari gaming system. Like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. The coin itself is the important part.
Speaker 2: They're hermetically sealed in the little.
Speaker 3: The sounds like I can't open this thing, so you
Speaker 3: better not. I know, we weren't supposed to.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, this is so. As far as coins
Speaker 2: are rated, this is an MS seventy coin, which means
Speaker 2: that this is main condition. It's never been in somebody's pocket.
Speaker 2: This is pretty much has never seen open air outside
Speaker 2: of the mint, and this is the highest quality that
Speaker 2: you can get. But we'll talk about those in justice.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know anything about coins very much. The
Speaker 1: only thing I do know is that there's a place
Speaker 1: in New Orleans that you can buy real Roman coins.
Speaker 1: And my ex mother in law has a set of
Speaker 1: jewelry from different circas and like different She has like
Speaker 1: four different sets of Roman coin ear rings and necklaces. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'll bring to a spot in bed and they got
Speaker 1: like they got some. She got some cool shit, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I want one. She has a ring
Speaker 1: too that's really neat, and I'm like, I'm jealous.
Speaker 2: I've introduced to my boy Austin right, yeah, shout out
Speaker 2: to Pelican Pawn. He has a actual Spanish to balloon
Speaker 2: from the pirate age because he's from the Virgin Islands,
Speaker 2: and that's like actually a part of his culture and heritage.
Speaker 2: And he's got a ring that way, uh, medallion that
Speaker 2: way that he wears around his neck. He's worn that
Speaker 2: since high school. It's it's a whole thing for the
Speaker 2: collectors out there. But anyway, so yes, we'll give the
Speaker 2: shameless plug for cecsilver dot Com here in a bit.
Speaker 2: But Royce, yeah, you're actually one of the cult members
Speaker 2: that have actually gone down and checked out the website,
Speaker 2: which I am stoked that you were actually able to
Speaker 2: get in there and get some some silver slash goal
Speaker 2: for yourself.
Speaker 4: I probably have about two grand worth of points right now.
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah hello, yeah, man, hasn't.
Speaker 4: Even been a year yet. I love it. I'm probably
Speaker 4: gonna be upgrading to legacy. That way I've become an LLC,
Speaker 4: and that way all this silver comes becomes attached right off.
Speaker 2: It very much can be. Oh, it can be, but
Speaker 2: you need to be careful talk to your account about
Speaker 2: how you do that, because you can't double dip as
Speaker 2: far as the taxes are concerned, and you can't buy
Speaker 2: this as a business expense and then also profit off
Speaker 2: of its growth later on as an you can't double
Speaker 2: dip as far as the LLC expensures are concerned. That's
Speaker 2: all I'm gonna say on that.
Speaker 4: Okay, well then then you're going.
Speaker 3: To school the jew on coins.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, on ll LLC shit. And the
Speaker 2: only reason why I know this is because my accountant,
Speaker 2: who knows about COC silver, we talked about it, and
Speaker 2: it's like, if you're going to take it as a
Speaker 2: tax right off when you buy it, dope. If you're
Speaker 2: going to take it as a tax right off when
Speaker 2: you cash in on it, dope. You can't take it
Speaker 2: as a double tax right off. Okay, that's all. And
Speaker 2: he explained it to me. It was very in depth.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I didn't even know you could LLC coins, but
Speaker 1: all right, oh you shit, you could ll see anything, honestly.
Speaker 3: Well back to our honka moving on.
Speaker 4: All right, so we are getting back into the minora.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, here's one out. Would you blow them
Speaker 2: out or they went out?
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 6: I did because they need there is actually a certain
Speaker 6: amount of time they need to be able to be
Speaker 6: lit for, and I don't want to.
Speaker 4: Refill them, so I just I did just blow them out, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 4: So all right, so the ready, well, I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: go through the name again. That's fun. So the Rebbey,
Speaker 4: after a thorough Haloic and historic analyzation, conclude that the
Speaker 4: shape is, in truth, not the shape of the Tumblemanora,
Speaker 4: meaning the the half circles like Raymond has behind her,
Speaker 4: but a cloned Manora which was captured by other Romans
Speaker 4: and placed on display in Rome to depict the fall
Speaker 4: of Jews. The true shape of the tumble Manura, from
Speaker 4: both a halochic which is Jewish law and historic perspective,
Speaker 4: contained diagonal branches. So let me before do you let.
Speaker 2: So what you have behind you? This this image of
Speaker 2: these half circles into this pretty equidescent shape. This is
Speaker 2: not correct.
Speaker 4: That would not be historically accurate, as opposed to this,
Speaker 4: which is which would be more historically accurate.
Speaker 2: Got you, okay, So.
Speaker 4: Let's see. So this is the shape of the manura,
Speaker 4: which was depicted by the rambamb So Mamanides in his
Speaker 4: magnum Opus the Mission to Torah and was testified testified
Speaker 4: by his son Reb Avraham, should be an exact depiction
Speaker 4: of the Templemanora. Due to the Rebbe's discovery and revelation
Speaker 4: artistic are artists commonly named his manora as the Khabbad Manora,
Speaker 4: although in truth this is the manura of all dreury
Speaker 4: depicted by the rambamb The Revae stated that one is
Speaker 4: to endeavor to use for konic an eight brianch manura,
Speaker 4: which follows the true temple shape and not the half
Speaker 4: circle branches, which depict a clone to manura, which was
Speaker 4: used by the Romans as propaganda for crushing the Jews
Speaker 4: the Jews spirit and pride.
Speaker 2: Explain how that crushes the Jewish spirit and pride?
Speaker 4: I don't know, okay, because the only thing I can
Speaker 4: really think of is that we know or we believe
Speaker 4: that it's one way. So it's just maybe trying it
Speaker 4: like revisionist history. So like you know, it's like you
Speaker 4: think that your mineral looks like this, No, it's actually
Speaker 4: how it looks. But besides that, honestly, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not sure, gotcha, okay, I am not sure.
Speaker 6: So why is cutting a celebrated for eight days that
Speaker 6: there was enough oil to last for one day?
Speaker 4: There are several answers to this question, and as you know,
Speaker 4: five Jews nine opinions, so sure to some suggest the
Speaker 4: flask of oil was distributed into eight vessels and for
Speaker 4: the use of eight days. This would naturally allow the
Speaker 4: canos to burn for some time each day, although not
Speaker 4: for entire day. The fact that each day's oil lasted
Speaker 4: a full day was a miracle that occurred in each
Speaker 4: one of the eight days. Two others suggested the oil
Speaker 4: was used on the first day and miraculously some of
Speaker 4: the oil was left unconsumed in order for the following
Speaker 4: day's miracle of lighting to me to be naturally bound.
Speaker 4: Other three others suggest that the oil was used on
Speaker 4: the first day and miraculously only one eighth of the
Speaker 4: oil became consumed each day. Four others suggests that the
Speaker 4: oil was used on the first day and miraculously the
Speaker 4: jar refilled with oil by each morning. Five others suggest
Speaker 4: that all the oil was used on the first day
Speaker 4: and miraculously never became consumed by the fire. And then
Speaker 4: I guess the rebby explained this to me. The oil
Speaker 4: was consumed and it remained at the same time, similar
Speaker 4: to the temple regarding aaron, the urn that did not
Speaker 4: take space in the Holy of Holies. By the way,
Speaker 4: have you j K I've ever heard of that which one.
Speaker 4: So the if you look at if you ever looked
Speaker 4: up the dimensions of the temple, the room that the
Speaker 4: that the Holy the Arc of the Covenant was was
Speaker 4: held in, was actually smaller than the dimensions of the
Speaker 4: Arc of the Covenant itself. The dimensions of the dimension,
Speaker 4: So the dimensions of the room were or like it
Speaker 4: was a square. It was actually smaller than what the
Speaker 4: actual dimensions of the arc would be with the poles.
Speaker 4: So there is an idea that that basically took up
Speaker 4: a luminal, eliminal space to like that didn't take up
Speaker 4: any space whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Okay with the polls, maybe, but it's not that the
Speaker 2: poles stayed with the arc the entire time. It was
Speaker 2: only when it was being transferred from point to point B.
Speaker 4: They were there was a command not to take the
Speaker 4: poles out.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I'm going to have to do more digging
Speaker 2: into this one, Royce, And be honest with you, I
Speaker 2: didn't know that. I've never heard that the dimensions of
Speaker 2: the Holy of Holies was less than the arc. I
Speaker 2: felt like that's like saying that you're the room is
Speaker 2: not as big as the chest, which is insane to me.
Speaker 4: That that's so. That was one of the miracles that occurred,
Speaker 4: especially whenever the the high priest needed to go in
Speaker 4: there and do his thing and offer the incense on
Speaker 4: the day of a toment. Yep.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, now now I'm gonna do a whole biblical
Speaker 2: deep dive on that. One wants to wrap up? Thank
Speaker 2: you for that.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, you're welcome. It's my pleasure to make you
Speaker 4: think it really is.
Speaker 2: That's a whole episode, no doubt. And for the record,
Speaker 2: anybody wants to check out The Cajun Knights Live, go
Speaker 2: to the patreon dot com slash Cajun Knight link in
Speaker 2: the description below.
Speaker 1: Niel, I do you anytime I hear the Arcana Covement,
Speaker 1: I only think about Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2: I'm not mad culture so legitimate, Roy says you, being
Speaker 2: the resident Jewish correspondent to me, being the resident Christian
Speaker 2: on the show. I'm not mad. When people say Ark
Speaker 2: of the Covenant, they immediately think Andy and Jones. Granted,
Speaker 2: there's some historical gaps, and obviously there's some creative liberties
Speaker 2: that are.
Speaker 4: Taking, but.
Speaker 3: They are accurate, thank you.
Speaker 2: But my point is, though, as far as the arc
Speaker 2: of the Covenant and the backstore behind it, and when
Speaker 2: they would touch it, when they would open it. All this,
Speaker 2: I actually genuinely like the movie, even if they're with
Speaker 2: the creative liberties, because it does get people's eyes more
Speaker 2: on the text itself, and I'm here for that.
Speaker 3: It's like the only thing I think about when I
Speaker 3: think I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: Because I'm a big Indie fan, I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: just immediately possible.
Speaker 2: Young Harrison Ford, I am.
Speaker 3: I do love Indiana Jones.
Speaker 2: Though I'm not gonna shit on. Harrison Ford's a phenomenal actor.
Speaker 1: I love him in every movie even now to this day.
Speaker 1: I love him in every movie, not in the same context,
Speaker 1: but still love him as a as an actor.
Speaker 2: Just gotten old fair enough. But yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: how many Jewish people got mad at Indiana Jones in
Speaker 2: the arc of the Covenant and all that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've never asked.
Speaker 4: I think more whether it's fortunate or unfortunate. I think
Speaker 4: I think more Jews got more frustrated with the Passion
Speaker 4: than with Indiana Jones.
Speaker 3: What I've never seen the movie The Passion of the Christ.
Speaker 2: No, it's definitely worth a watch, but like I could
Speaker 2: understand why the Jews have feels some type of way
Speaker 2: about that, same way the Jews probably feels some type
Speaker 2: of way about the Chosen series. I get it.
Speaker 4: Well. My father every once in a while tries tries
Speaker 4: to talk to me about that.
Speaker 1: Show, and I'm like, he loves that show. My mother
Speaker 1: loves that show. All my friends are like, yeah, just
Speaker 1: watch it.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there are some creative liberties that are taken
Speaker 2: that I am not a fan of. However, as far
Speaker 2: as the historicity and the showing of the context to
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to Judaism in the first century AD,
Speaker 2: a lot of the references that are made in the
Speaker 2: Bible in the New Testament that a lot of Christians
Speaker 2: be like, wait, why would he say it like that?
Speaker 2: Why what is the significance to this? Why is it
Speaker 2: such a big deal that he did this on this day.
Speaker 2: It does a good job of showing the painting a
Speaker 2: picture as far as that goes, So I do enjoy that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and also Jonathan Rumey, who is the dude
Speaker 2: who plays Jesus, is also a member of the organization
Speaker 2: that I'm a part of too, so I do love
Speaker 2: that for other regards as well. But yeah, I understand
Speaker 2: why a lot of Jewish people would probably watch that
Speaker 2: with some sort of trepidation. I get it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: So you're saying that the arc of the Covenant with
Speaker 2: Harrison Ford has gone over a lot better than.
Speaker 4: The Passion of the Christ, which I imagine. So I
Speaker 4: imagine so there's probably a lot less controversy make any JC.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the ans to reason anyway.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't know the
Speaker 1: controversy because I haven't seen the movie.
Speaker 4: So of Christianity and Jews, just not.
Speaker 2: Because Jews are the ones that killed Jesus and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but the Romans are the ones that actually did the
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like the Romans, but at the behest of
Speaker 3: the Jews.
Speaker 2: And that's and when I say the Jews, I don't
Speaker 2: mean all of Judaism. I mean specific people within the Temple,
Speaker 2: And that goes into a whole litany of issues like
Speaker 2: why Caiaphas, who was the high priest at the time,
Speaker 2: how did he get to be high priest? Why did
Speaker 2: he get kicked out almost a year after Jesus was crucified,
Speaker 2: and that goes into a lot of political dissidents, not
Speaker 2: so much the Jesus thing, although a lot of people
Speaker 2: will make it about the Jesus thing.
Speaker 3: And it's okay.
Speaker 2: It's like, I think of DC politics today now put
Speaker 2: that to about a one hundred times power on all
Speaker 2: of the things, because the politics are real. But it
Speaker 2: was religious fervor on the politics of it, and so
Speaker 2: the smallest things got made into the biggest things. The
Speaker 2: biggest things got made into monumental things. And it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, word, yeah, but it all happened the way
Speaker 2: it was supposed to according to prophecy, which Royce and
Speaker 2: I have had conversations about those prophecies offline a good bit.
Speaker 2: And you know, difference of opinions, and I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to sit here and convert no body. People can do
Speaker 2: their own research.
Speaker 1: Not completely different, but two different religious backgrounds. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not going to agree upon everything, no, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just chilling over here.
Speaker 4: Able, Yeah, all enjoyable, no doubt. All right. So numero six,
Speaker 4: so others suggested the fact that they actually founded are
Speaker 4: pure olive oil is a miracle in of itself, and
Speaker 4: that was the miracle of the first day. Others suggest
Speaker 4: that the stages compare are compare the holiday to the
Speaker 4: holiday of Sukus, which was the festival of Booth, which
Speaker 4: is eight days. Others suggest that on the first day
Speaker 4: we celebrate the victory against the Greeks from whom we
Speaker 4: rested from the battle. On that day in the America
Speaker 4: of oil is only relevant to the future seven days
Speaker 4: and then others suggest that it corresponds to the eight
Speaker 4: days of Mila was a circumcision, circumcision which were abolished
Speaker 4: during the rule of Antiochus and now became permitted again.
Speaker 4: As far as here's just some interesting textual stuff as
Speaker 4: far as what we do. So on each of the
Speaker 4: Knights of chronicoll one light, one lights the minoria. The
Speaker 4: text are part of the text reads blosstart you community world,
Speaker 4: who was sanctified as with his commandments, and it's commanded
Speaker 4: us to kindle the Nica lights. In addition, we also
Speaker 4: make this declaration we candled these lights to commemorate these
Speaker 4: saving acts, miracles and wonders which you have performed for
Speaker 4: our forefathers in those days at this time, through you,
Speaker 4: through your holy priests, throughout the eight days of Khanka.
Speaker 4: These lights are sacred, and we are not permitted to
Speaker 4: make use of them, but only to look at them
Speaker 4: in order to offer thanks and praise, praise your great name,
Speaker 4: and for your miracles through wonders for reservations. By the way,
Speaker 4: So the shamish, though, the little the candle that's actually
Speaker 4: set above is there for two reasons. One it's to
Speaker 4: quote unquote serve the other ones, like you light the
Speaker 4: middle one first or the highest one first, and then
Speaker 4: light the other ones. But also in addition to that,
Speaker 4: if you were to want to read by these flames,
Speaker 4: you would actually not be allowed to. So these are holy.
Speaker 4: We were only supposed to look at them, not make
Speaker 4: use of them. So if let's say you were to read,
Speaker 4: you you would be quote unquote making use of the
Speaker 4: one that's raised above because it's not actually a part
Speaker 4: of the miracle itself.
Speaker 2: So you can make use of the middle one though,
Speaker 2: because that's like the others. So if you were to
Speaker 2: take this out correct and read from it, that's all
Speaker 2: good the meaning.
Speaker 4: Okay, So let's just say, if you if you held
Speaker 4: the manora in your hand right, if if there was
Speaker 4: any light that was being shined, So if you needed
Speaker 4: to your power went out on Knakha and you wanted
Speaker 4: to use that to light your way, the one light
Speaker 4: that you would be getting benefit from would be the
Speaker 4: one in the center, not the other ones that are around.
Speaker 4: No shit, because it's because this because the miracle is
Speaker 4: only to look at it and observe it, not make
Speaker 4: use of it, as opposed to the shops. Candles that
Speaker 4: are generally which are generally lit are you are lit
Speaker 4: to be used for enjoyment and if you need to
Speaker 4: see by instead of these ones which are not.
Speaker 3: No touchy, no reading.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so everyone understands you can't read by this
Speaker 1: candlelight even if you lose power, which.
Speaker 2: For the record, you're not supposed to read by candlelight anyway,
Speaker 2: because it's horrible for your eyes or so like if
Speaker 2: you didn't.
Speaker 1: Obviously, back in the day they didn't have electricity, so
Speaker 1: like they just had this off in the corner so
Speaker 1: they could not let it.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to be the center of the table, though,
Speaker 2: isn't it so?
Speaker 4: No. Interestingly enough, there are rules on the placement of.
Speaker 1: It because we have to have look, we have to
Speaker 1: have rules about where it's placed, what it's around what
Speaker 1: it might touch.
Speaker 2: What you might use it for. All right, where can
Speaker 2: this be?
Speaker 1: Was this like people really bored and just decided to say,
Speaker 1: fuck you mean a jew? And just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: we don't have enough rules, so let's implement like nine
Speaker 1: thousand rules to like you can't even ship a different
Speaker 1: way because like, man, you better not ship on a
Speaker 1: certain time and day.
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say a real ship really wow?
Speaker 2: Pun intended? Is it very much like the Muslims where
Speaker 2: you can only wipe with your left hand.
Speaker 4: You're wipe with your left your your last dominant hand,
Speaker 4: and you make sure you're not wipe with the middle finger.
Speaker 1: Are you sure autistic men didn't make this like straight
Speaker 1: up like, are we one hundred percent certain? Some autistic
Speaker 1: bros got together and they were like, bro, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's start some ship.
Speaker 2: He said, you have to wipe with your left hand
Speaker 2: and you can't use your middle finger.
Speaker 1: Correct the middle Tell me that that's not an autistic person.
Speaker 1: That like, no, not shitting on anybody that has autism.
Speaker 6: Bout because because that is whenever you wrap your fill
Speaker 6: in generally that's the finger that it goes off.
Speaker 2: Shut up, O my god, Wait you two, filling goes
Speaker 2: on the left hand, so it.
Speaker 4: Goes on your your less dominant hand.
Speaker 1: I'm left handed, so you so if you were.
Speaker 6: A man, hold on, wait, so Raven, if you were
Speaker 6: a man, you would be rapping to fill it on
Speaker 6: your right hand because.
Speaker 4: Your last left less dominant hand, so.
Speaker 2: You're your right hand an, first off, I can't wipe
Speaker 2: my left I don't have the coordination. My left hand
Speaker 2: is basically retarded. Straight up with you.
Speaker 4: You wait, wait what the reason why you say this
Speaker 4: is because I told you I grew not religious, so
Speaker 4: like I didn't know all this stuff. I didn't know
Speaker 4: all this ship literally, so like so I had.
Speaker 1: So you chose to follow all of these rules.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I chose to following rules?
Speaker 2: Yes, well yeah yeah all right, So then your right handed,
Speaker 2: so you learned how to wipe with their left but
Speaker 2: not your middle finger.
Speaker 1: Just like not even shitting on anybody that has autism.
Speaker 1: I'm not at all funny, no, but like real ship,
Speaker 1: like did they have aspergers? And they like straight up
Speaker 1: like hyper fixating, was like let's create every fucking rule possible,
Speaker 1: and like as they went, they're like, you know.
Speaker 2: What, curious what's the autism rates in in in traditional.
Speaker 1: Hebrew, I'm just saying, like man sho, you and the
Speaker 1: Muslims are battling out for how many how many rules?
Speaker 4: We will go.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no kidding. Is there any other
Speaker 1: religion though, that has more rules than juice?
Speaker 2: We have rules, it's just people don't follow them because
Speaker 2: they're ridiculous.
Speaker 1: You don't have that many rules.
Speaker 3: Like you're literally getting down to like the minute.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the Pagans and their rules. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: if you didn't leave butter on a dish behind your
Speaker 2: door every day, then like you're asking to be murdered
Speaker 2: in your sleep.
Speaker 3: To be fair, though, that.
Speaker 1: We're talking about like we can't even use this bitch
Speaker 1: by candlelight, like fuck you in reading?
Speaker 2: But that middle candle middle right?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 2: Okay, suppause? Where can this bitch be placed?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where in the center?
Speaker 4: There are there are various traditions. There are people that
Speaker 4: will put it either in the front of the door
Speaker 4: or by the door to the left of the missou.
Speaker 2: Though okay, okay, it has to be the left.
Speaker 4: You know, do you know what do you know what
Speaker 4: a is?
Speaker 2: That's the little sideways canted thing where you put a
Speaker 2: scroll in there with the three letters to basically be
Speaker 2: like a welcome thing, right and to the Passover. No,
Speaker 2: so have you ever noticed Jewish people have a thing
Speaker 2: by their front door? That's it?
Speaker 1: To be fair, I don't think I've ever been into
Speaker 1: a Jewish home, not one, So I have no idea.
Speaker 4: That it has.
Speaker 2: No, it can't be straight up and down. That's a
Speaker 2: whole rule. It's got a couple of Jewish letters on it.
Speaker 2: And correct me if I'm wrong. But this goes back
Speaker 2: to Passover and the blood over the door and the
Speaker 2: words that are like welcome you.
Speaker 3: He's making up bullship.
Speaker 2: This is why we have a resident Jewish correspondent.
Speaker 4: So what is it? This one? So it's called a mesa,
Speaker 4: which literally just means door frame. And there is a
Speaker 4: portion in the in the tour that says you shall
Speaker 4: inscribe it upon your your uh the door posts of
Speaker 4: your house, and upon your gates. So there is a
Speaker 4: small spigeon of scripture that is written and put in
Speaker 4: there as a first of ultimates for to do. It's
Speaker 4: something that we should that Jews should do. Also, it
Speaker 4: acts as a religious call it a guard or you
Speaker 4: know way. So it's like.
Speaker 1: It's like, so there is religions where they believe you
Speaker 1: put a gargoyle out front of your door and it
Speaker 1: watches for evil spirits and it guards your house against
Speaker 1: evil spirits.
Speaker 2: I can't talk ship because I wrote a bunch of
Speaker 2: scripture in the frame of my house while I was
Speaker 2: being built.
Speaker 3: And people saw their houses.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 1: I know you've sold.
Speaker 3: Is it a jew thing?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: Why does that sound Jewish? Royal?
Speaker 4: Oh? So? So Gargley called it gargoyle because whenever the
Speaker 4: rain hits the mouth, it sounds like it's gargling.
Speaker 2: Okay, I heard.
Speaker 4: I heard this literally.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't doubt it, but I know that
Speaker 2: goy is a thing. Now heard gargoyle? Oh no, is
Speaker 2: this a Jewish thing?
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I didn't even make the reference. That's funny.
Speaker 2: Or like a gollum or or is that the what's
Speaker 2: the thing? Golam? I'm thinking golam and I'm like, oh God,
Speaker 2: is this where gargoyle gets his name from?
Speaker 4: Between and mace is one letter? Yep, you would write
Speaker 4: the word truth on the on the forehead.
Speaker 2: Why not you know we're looking up, you're looking it
Speaker 2: up right now. The etymology comes actually it comes from Hebrews.
Speaker 1: It comes from the French word. Don't ask me how
Speaker 1: to pronounce it, because I suck it words. I got fringe,
Speaker 1: which means throat and reflecting its function as a water
Speaker 1: spout that directs rainwater away from the building, look at you.
Speaker 1: The name is also linked to the legend about a
Speaker 1: dragon called Logog, which was subdued by a priest and
Speaker 1: whose head was mounted on the church to ward off
Speaker 1: evil spirits. All right, we're both correct. Suck it. Of
Speaker 1: course it has to do with a fucking church. And
Speaker 1: then they want to and then they want to bitch
Speaker 1: that it's a goddamn pagan thing and Nimii. It's like
Speaker 1: you fucking bitches.
Speaker 2: Wait Christians, Wait, Christians. So we get to the Christmas
Speaker 2: episode where so many quote unquote pagan things are actually
Speaker 2: like super Christian, that the pagan we went.
Speaker 1: We actually got into a heated argument this morning about
Speaker 1: this actual topic for like a whole hour of research.
Speaker 1: We're arguing over that Yule and Christian uh pre Christian
Speaker 1: and Christian background when it comes to history.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and it's not towards you. It's towards people
Speaker 2: that think that Christmas is a pagan tradition. Even the
Speaker 2: things that are.
Speaker 1: Pagan you can't talk about.
Speaker 2: We're on hawk.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I put it on the wrong way right, No, Hanukah,
Speaker 3: where's that go on?
Speaker 4: It beginning.
Speaker 2: New Cu But yeah, so all the Christians out there,
Speaker 2: don't worry. You're okay to put your Christmas trees up
Speaker 2: in your stockings and all the ship it's not pagan.
Speaker 2: The gargoyles Christian is fucked too. And for the record,
Speaker 2: so is all of the metal iconography, all the ship,
Speaker 2: the five sided star with the circle, the pentagraph, super
Speaker 2: setanic that's actually super Catholic. Momento more is where a
Speaker 2: lot of the metal iconography gets its it's look from.
Speaker 2: So like the skulls the ship that people think are
Speaker 2: super dark, they're just super Catholic. So you know, you
Speaker 2: can take that with whatever you know, pillar of salt
Speaker 2: you need. But whatever. Anyway, all right, let's talk about all.
Speaker 4: Right, So, since we are speaking about Hechts during the
Speaker 4: Schmoanninasterra that is recited three times per day, this text
Speaker 4: is included. It says, and we thank you for the miracles,
Speaker 4: for the redemption, for the mighty deeds, for the saving act,
Speaker 4: and for the wonders which you have wrought for our
Speaker 4: ancestors in those days at this time, in the days
Speaker 4: of Madus Yahu, the son of yo Kanan, which is John.
Speaker 4: There I go. There's another for you, sorry, Jacob. So
Speaker 4: John is Yohanan.
Speaker 3: He has a step away for just a second.
Speaker 4: Oh fantastic, all right, So I'll get back to the second.
Speaker 13: So in the days of Mantus Yahu, the son of Yochanan,
Speaker 13: the high priest, the the Hasmony and his sons, when
Speaker 13: the wicked Helen is a Hellenic government ruse against you
Speaker 13: and your people Israel, to make them forget your tour
Speaker 13: and violate your decreasy, your will.
Speaker 4: But you and your abundant mercies stood by them in
Speaker 4: time of their distress. You wage their battles, defended their rights,
Speaker 4: and avenged the wrong done to them. You delivered the
Speaker 4: mighty into the hands of the week, the many into
Speaker 4: the hands of the few, the impure into the hands
Speaker 4: of the pure, the wicked into the wicked, into the
Speaker 4: hands of the righteous, and the wanton sinners into the
Speaker 4: hands of those who occupied themselves with your Torah. You
Speaker 4: made a great and holy name for yourself in your
Speaker 4: world and affected a great deliverance and redemption. If your
Speaker 4: people is res of the very day, then your children
Speaker 4: entered the shrine of your house, cleansed your temple, purified
Speaker 4: your sanctuary, kind of the lightsa your holy courtyards in
Speaker 4: the institute of these days of Hanukah, to give thanks
Speaker 4: and praise to your name.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, that's it.
Speaker 1: It's a lot for you.
Speaker 4: So so keep in mind, a prayer book was written
Speaker 4: by started with the people of the Great Assembly and
Speaker 4: went through it, and like a prayer book runs the
Speaker 4: gamut through. Basically, it goes through the it's organized in
Speaker 4: like morning, afternoon, evening, and then it gets into the
Speaker 4: festivals of holidays and everything else. Texts are huge, like so,
Speaker 4: for example, the prayer book just for Russia Shana, camera,
Speaker 4: is this of itself?
Speaker 2: You read that whole thing during Russia Shana?
Speaker 14: Yes, this is this is this, this is the a
Speaker 14: liturgy for and that's a festival two day theoretically, Jesus,
Speaker 14: okay okay o.
Speaker 4: Granted, this looks like it's huge, and it is, but
Speaker 4: this contains a lot. This contains the entire Torah. It
Speaker 4: contains the Book of Psalms, it books, another book called
Speaker 4: the Tanya, and the uh prayer book or that I
Speaker 4: used in general.
Speaker 2: That is the mathematical symbol for pie. I know it's Greek,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, so.
Speaker 4: Jesus, we have a lot of volumes of volumes and
Speaker 4: volumes of books of a lucky or Jewish law and
Speaker 4: prayer in and of itself. Wow, Okay, so one quick thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so intense, You're you're committed. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: go dance out outside by firelight.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna pray as I'm mad man man.
Speaker 3: I honestly, I thought this was like they are like
Speaker 3: one of their key holidays. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: A lot of Americans think.
Speaker 3: So, I really thought this was like a huge holiday
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of like a little on the
Speaker 1: on the scale of actual holidays.
Speaker 6: And there are just many rules of regulations as far
Speaker 6: as place, as far as what what can we used,
Speaker 6: what what's done for the holiday in and of itself.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: So, Hanukkah is essentially a day where you you remember
Speaker 2: the past, the historical reverence in the miracle that took place,
Speaker 2: and you eat a bunch of fried foods and for
Speaker 2: eight days and you just kind of it's some family
Speaker 2: gathering time. But like you're allowed to use electronics. It's
Speaker 2: not some like the world needs to shut off so
Speaker 2: I could do this thing. It's like just a thing
Speaker 2: that you do.
Speaker 4: Yes, wow, okay, very much.
Speaker 2: So that is that's insane. So like Rosha Shana that
Speaker 2: is the Jewish New Years correct, Yes, and that has
Speaker 2: happened since as far as we know, the beginning of
Speaker 2: Jewish time.
Speaker 4: No, I mean just the I mean it definitely was
Speaker 4: after Moses. Okay, it was after It was after the
Speaker 4: after the exodus of of Egypt during those during those
Speaker 4: forty years or whatever. And these are the holidays that
Speaker 4: God actually uh specified specifically.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me rephrase this. Is there any holidays that
Speaker 2: pre date Egypt that we know of? Or pretty much
Speaker 2: everything got written down after Moses after the Exodus?
Speaker 4: Right, Basically all of the laws don't even start until
Speaker 4: after exodusa I think about the books and the Bibles, like, so,
Speaker 4: Genesis is basically like the story of creation and then
Speaker 4: and then it goes up until Jake, uh Joseph goes
Speaker 4: to Egypt, because that's pretty much how the Book of
Speaker 4: Accidus starts off, Joseph and his and his brothers being
Speaker 4: in Egypt, and then Lemiticus numbers Deuteronomy is all about
Speaker 4: the sacrifices, about the various holidays and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean realistically, as far as that goes,
Speaker 2: we don't know what was celebrated per Hebrew tradition before Egypt,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's it's oral Torah that's been passed down.
Speaker 2: But the oral was codified after Moses, and then it
Speaker 2: was pretty much started from that.
Speaker 4: Point, right, so that the oral toro, Like there's an
Speaker 4: idea that our forefathers knew the Torah, but it wasn't
Speaker 4: even brought down up until Moses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So as far as that goes, the main holidays,
Speaker 2: the big ones that like the massive observance and the
Speaker 2: not doing anything electronically or whatever else, there's only I
Speaker 2: think you said four of these.
Speaker 4: Three of these so basically three. So you have Russia Shana,
Speaker 4: which is the Jewish New Year, yep. You have jam Kipper,
Speaker 4: which is the day of Atonement.
Speaker 12: You have.
Speaker 4: Sukus, which is right next to that holiday, which is
Speaker 4: the festival of booze and then like passover. Like, so
Speaker 4: these are the main the main main ones, right.
Speaker 2: And then y'all also have like probably fifty different holidays
Speaker 2: there celebrated throughout the year, just to a smaller.
Speaker 4: Scale us really really so uh that's brilli about it
Speaker 4: really only two. I mean, so the major holidays it
Speaker 4: is we have we have Russia, Shana's uh young Kipper, Circus,
Speaker 4: and then at the end of that.
Speaker 2: Is a minor holiday as compared to it's just right
Speaker 2: next to so it kind of gets coupled into No,
Speaker 2: that's so.
Speaker 4: That's also kind of a part. So the the high
Speaker 4: holidays comprise of those three Russiasiana, You, Kipper, and Circus
Speaker 4: and because on the end well and then right, but
Speaker 4: that's a different part of the year. But I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like those three are.
Speaker 2: All in a month period of time, got you, So
Speaker 2: September y'all go hard as fuck?
Speaker 4: Basically it is you get spiritual jet lag because like
Speaker 4: you'll you'll have work for a day and then you'll
Speaker 4: be off for two days, and you'll be work for
Speaker 4: day a day and then off for two days. Is
Speaker 4: because of the way the calendars work.
Speaker 2: Gotcha? Interesting? Okay, and then you have two minor holidays
Speaker 2: that are celebrated, but they're not like that big of
Speaker 2: a deal. They're just a thing that you do.
Speaker 4: Well, I would call it that tonic is big. I
Speaker 4: would say it almost one like so kaka maybe the
Speaker 4: new Year for trees like conks really aren't only other
Speaker 4: minor holidays. The other ones are basically biblically mandated.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 4: And then and then I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Perham and
Speaker 4: Conica are the two minor festivals as opposed to the
Speaker 4: other ones, which are the major holidays.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, So all right, as we've gotten the backstory
Speaker 2: to Hankkah, the historical reference all the things, how the
Speaker 2: fuck do you play with the top?
Speaker 4: All right, so don't break it.
Speaker 2: It's porcelain. It's yet a big.
Speaker 4: One, all right. So the way you play it is
Speaker 4: the that it stands for mace gadol hyah sean wick
Speaker 4: basie means a great miracle happened there And all right,
Speaker 4: so yes, correct that one would be number two. So
Speaker 4: that's number one correct, correct, one, one, three, three and
Speaker 4: four four correct.
Speaker 7: Okay, So with the with letter number one, yeah, you
Speaker 7: don't get anything that's Newton sounds basically sends for nothing okay,
Speaker 7: the next one you get half okay, the third one,
Speaker 7: the third one you get everything, and the fourth one
Speaker 7: you put in.
Speaker 2: And so when you say put in, because I know
Speaker 2: there's coins that are associated with this, so does everybody
Speaker 2: any up before the spin happens?
Speaker 4: It's really how are you gonna one? There's the only
Speaker 4: rules for for dradle are what the symbols mean whenever
Speaker 4: you play it. If you want to, any of you
Speaker 4: before that put whatever. That's pretty much about it. It's
Speaker 4: just those four symbols. So you don't get anything, you
Speaker 4: get half, you get all of it, or you have
Speaker 4: to put in.
Speaker 2: So somebody just get all of it. And then you
Speaker 2: hit a you get half, you get nothing because there's
Speaker 2: nothing in the pot.
Speaker 4: Basically, So I imagine every person spins. So on turn one,
Speaker 4: I spin and I get the first one. You don't.
Speaker 4: You don't get anything, and then it's the next person.
Speaker 4: Then you add more coins. Yeah, and then the next
Speaker 4: person spins.
Speaker 2: And so everybody adds coins between spins.
Speaker 4: Yes, got you?
Speaker 2: Okay? Dope? So there's any essentially, and I know every
Speaker 2: house has their own house rules, but essentially everybody throws
Speaker 2: in a coin before each spin. So yes, you get all,
Speaker 2: you get half, you get nothing. And then the other
Speaker 2: one you said was you put in damn? Okay, so
Speaker 2: this game can go on all day if it plays.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, for sure. And then you definitely add your
Speaker 4: your your Iconica guilt.
Speaker 2: Your Hanka guilt.
Speaker 4: Delt g e lt that's like, that's the for the
Speaker 4: for the money is gelt ge Okay.
Speaker 2: The term for money is gelt g e l t.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, So for any of the cult members watching here,
Speaker 2: so just we're all clear. This one that looks like
Speaker 2: an L with a little kind of weird notch cut
Speaker 2: in the bottom, that's good everything everything.
Speaker 4: Yes, so one is half. So that first one is nothing.
Speaker 4: That's that one half.
Speaker 2: So the pie symbol that looks like it is missing
Speaker 2: a chunk, that's half. This is nothing.
Speaker 4: This that that one is getting everything.
Speaker 3: This is get everything. This one gets nothing, and that
Speaker 3: one is put in correct?
Speaker 4: Correct, I got it.
Speaker 3: One of us can follow directions.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm Christian, but we might start playing this
Speaker 2: game for Christmas presents. I'm down. You put in half,
Speaker 2: you get everything.
Speaker 3: I mean I like to gamble, so fuck it.
Speaker 1: Is there any other traditions that are inherent to Hankkah
Speaker 1: besides these two specific things.
Speaker 4: I mean, so really radal and and gel for the
Speaker 4: for the child coins. The oil is the dots and
Speaker 4: and donuts, and that's really about it.
Speaker 2: Is fried chicken considered Hanika kosher.
Speaker 4: So I had something pulled up as far as the
Speaker 4: fact that we mostly eat dairy on this holiday because
Speaker 4: there was a miracle that was done. Basically there was
Speaker 4: a a Jewish, the Jewish were under siege and there
Speaker 4: was one of actually the daughter of yoking on the priests.
Speaker 4: She basically went out to his tent and like seduced him,
Speaker 4: said Hey, I'm gonna give you all all this this
Speaker 4: milk milk to drink, and he got drunk off of it,
Speaker 4: and he like fell asleep. But she beheaded him.
Speaker 2: So real quick, all this milk to drink and he
Speaker 2: got drunk off of it. Is there like inferences being
Speaker 2: made here? We're talking about like fermented milk, like the
Speaker 2: Mongols drink. What are we talking about here?
Speaker 15: So I know that I'm just asking there was another
Speaker 15: story that involves a milk story that there was for
Speaker 15: sure a sexual inference.
Speaker 4: Uh, this one. It probably happened. I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: if that went, but for sure he just drank enough
Speaker 4: milk and ate enough cheese and dairy to where he
Speaker 4: just you know, passed out and then he got beheaded.
Speaker 1: And then he got aheaded.
Speaker 2: These women with their women I was trying to seduce
Speaker 2: me with their milk, and that would be tried keeping
Speaker 2: it together. I couldn't.
Speaker 4: Okay, that would be.
Speaker 6: The reason why why we we have a customer to
Speaker 6: eat dairy because there was ale.
Speaker 4: There's a few miracles that were performed with milk.
Speaker 1: I'm confused. We so an old girl potentially may or
Speaker 1: may not have had sexual relations with said man and
Speaker 1: then beheaded him after using milk.
Speaker 4: So how is that a miracle or what is because
Speaker 4: because it because it revolved around because the miracle revolved
Speaker 4: around milk. Obviously we're not worshiping the milk, just the
Speaker 4: fact that it happens with milk.
Speaker 1: Probably, so the miracle is beheading this man.
Speaker 4: Because here was any of the Jewish people. Yes, he
Speaker 4: was like a general.
Speaker 3: So we're celebrating like killing money.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, also ice cream a thing can get y'all
Speaker 2: can get down on.
Speaker 4: Well, I see no problem why wouldn't.
Speaker 2: She a celebration where we're eating donuts, beignetes and fried
Speaker 2: ice cream.
Speaker 1: Look your fast self, I was gonna say, your fat
Speaker 1: as self is going to be there gambling and.
Speaker 2: Like, yes, you're only be so down with a holiday
Speaker 2: to which I have no actual ties, but like ship,
Speaker 2: sign me up, dude, I love this and there's gifts involved,
Speaker 2: which correct me from.
Speaker 1: All she said on the thing that they don't it,
Speaker 1: she said, false, They don't actually still.
Speaker 6: Say gifts are given, but I mean each family does
Speaker 6: it their own way.
Speaker 1: Do you do gifts?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean my family doesn't. Like I'm the only
Speaker 4: religious one in my family that I.
Speaker 3: Was going to ask you that.
Speaker 1: You're the only Jewish person in your family.
Speaker 4: No, I'm the only religious one in my family. My
Speaker 4: mother is Jewish, my grandmother Jewish, my aunt are Jewish,
Speaker 4: but they are. My mother is extreme crazy Christian. As
Speaker 4: we talked about on the cult.
Speaker 2: So you remember talking about it, Yes, I remember. I remember.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I totally forgot. Yeah, no, I forgot. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Well is how are you ended up with Judaism?
Speaker 3: Okay? Or just because you're heritage.
Speaker 4: Because of my heritage.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm asking personal questions.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just curious as to why you'd pick
Speaker 1: a religion with nine thousand million.
Speaker 2: Jewish correspondent.
Speaker 4: He is an open book, so because all it a
Speaker 4: soul thing. Like as I went, I was so I
Speaker 4: was never actually comfortable in the church itself. And then
Speaker 4: once my mother told me that I was Jewish and
Speaker 4: we started going to ah, we started we started going
Speaker 4: to a messianic place like I felt like I was
Speaker 4: at home Ish but almost there and not and not
Speaker 4: there yet. And then basically, once I found it worth,
Speaker 4: I'm like, this is it? And then I found the
Speaker 4: rules in stricture and structure comforting, and it just saw
Speaker 4: me that my soul called to I.
Speaker 3: Can understand that I have a on the other side
Speaker 3: of that coin, I how do I want to wear this?
Speaker 2: I want to say, what are you about to say?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 2: Raven I?
Speaker 1: So I'm on an interesting path of my own of
Speaker 1: what I believe or not believe. I'm not anywhere near
Speaker 1: what I want. I will say though, that when I'm
Speaker 1: within a church, I feel a deep, deep discomfort, which
Speaker 1: I don't mind for anyone else. My family is very
Speaker 1: religious all my friends are very religious, and I have
Speaker 1: no problem doing these things.
Speaker 3: I will say, though, when I am.
Speaker 1: Out in nature and doing more wild heathenistic things, I
Speaker 1: guess you could say I feel more comfort and more.
Speaker 3: Attuned to my nature.
Speaker 2: Sure, everybody's got their house of worship indeed, and trees
Speaker 2: are a wonderful house of worship by my dad.
Speaker 4: I have two more videos that we can get to,
Speaker 4: and I think you'll enjoy at least one of them
Speaker 4: and laugh your asshof on the second.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go, oh South Park, I love it.
Speaker 2: We're just gonna sit back and enjoy some holiday songs.
Speaker 12: And if you don't like it, well, I guess you
Speaker 12: can suck my tiny little bows.
Speaker 2: So let's start off with a passive.
Speaker 12: Hanakah song sung by my favorite Jewish person in.
Speaker 4: The whole world.
Speaker 12: Okay, you're my little brother, so I have to show
Speaker 12: you how to celebrate Hanakah. This is called it Drado.
Speaker 12: You spin it and see where it lands, and you
Speaker 12: sing this song. I have a little trader. I made
Speaker 12: it out of clay, and when it's drying ready with Dradel,
Speaker 12: I shall clay, oh drade, old Jadel Jadel. I need
Speaker 12: you Ida Clay Tradle Chadle Jadle with Tradle, I shall play.
Speaker 4: Hey, what the hell are you doing? Oh?
Speaker 12: Hey, cartman, we're playing Tradle.
Speaker 4: Do you want to try?
Speaker 12: Sure, here's a nattle trader that's not in Nato Clay,
Speaker 12: but I'm not gonna play with it because Trader's breaking game.
Speaker 2: Hey, shoot your mouth, fat.
Speaker 9: Ass, juice.
Speaker 12: Play stupid games, Juice. That's why they're Nadle Tad Tader Jill.
Speaker 9: I made you.
Speaker 12: Addle play stupid cato tado tado jue with Trado, I
Speaker 12: shall play.
Speaker 9: That's why they're day.
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 12: Oh it's that honka thing.
Speaker 4: It's too amazing.
Speaker 12: You spend this thing on the ground and it goes mending. Man,
Speaker 12: I can watch it to day.
Speaker 9: Let me try it.
Speaker 12: I'll try to make its man and Bell I'll try again.
Speaker 12: Ho Tadle Chado Trader, I made you Audo Clay Trado
Speaker 12: Tado Trader, Well, Trad shall again trade? You ladle play
Speaker 12: stupid tato tad Trader.
Speaker 2: I shall.
Speaker 12: That's why the ladder le play stupid tato tatle Trader Joe.
Speaker 12: I shall, Yeah, that's why they're gay.
Speaker 9: Hello boys him, Oh, how precious.
Speaker 1: You boys are? Role playing draddles.
Speaker 12: Now, you know the dradle is the time on the
Speaker 12: tradition that the Hebrew people, Yes, we.
Speaker 4: Do miss Paddowski.
Speaker 12: It's so very interesting now when you are to make
Speaker 12: the draid will spin no always winked spinning barn to
Speaker 12: the raidle spin the stipid girl jingle always wink why
Speaker 12: they name?
Speaker 3: Oh hi dad, Hello, everybody?
Speaker 4: Say?
Speaker 2: Can I join in?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 12: I have a little trader. I need it out of clay.
Speaker 12: And when it's trying ready with trader, I shall everybody
Speaker 12: chad okadle NiPd Joe Locato, I shall wait Plato, tadle Joe,
Speaker 12: jail nipping Julia, shall court me cous you your soul.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, we're singing about a draddle.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, we'll talk about this later show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I was gonna ask about that. I've
Speaker 2: heard the south Park song before. Is that a song
Speaker 2: that is actually sang while the dradel is played, or
Speaker 2: is that literally just for the.
Speaker 4: Movies radl dredd D I mean, is literally a song?
Speaker 2: No ship south Park just doesn't miss holy shit. And
Speaker 2: of course Cartman's being the anti semite as you would see.
Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, wow, So oh, all the good
Speaker 2: cult members that have never seen South Park. First of all,
Speaker 2: what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Check it out. It's great anyway. Secondly, Mariah Carey, Oh so.
Speaker 4: This is true, but it's worth it.
Speaker 10: I don't want a lot for Christmas.
Speaker 1: There is just one thing, honey.
Speaker 10: I don't care about the prisons underneath the Christmas tree.
Speaker 10: I just want you for my own, not than you
Speaker 10: could ever know.
Speaker 9: Make my wish country want for Christmas.
Speaker 10: June Jet ask for much this Christmas.
Speaker 9: I don't even wish for snow.
Speaker 10: Just wanted to horn show businesses Field for Stiller, Verry go.
Speaker 10: I will make a mistenstentes of my choices for seeing
Speaker 10: me Sam, and just to.
Speaker 16: Work the boys with Hochte. I just want to u
Speaker 16: you night, holding onto me so time I'll say sac affronted.
Speaker 9: For Christmas.
Speaker 17: Juice Minora like shines run everywhere, and the fifth months
Speaker 17: office makes two billion days.
Speaker 9: They may have killed our savior.
Speaker 1: That's not the best behavior.
Speaker 17: That's okay, here roll again three days then now chrismin
Speaker 17: enter Da.
Speaker 9: I don't want to lave for Christmas.
Speaker 17: Gentle boys are such a bur Colvin Waltman call babies.
Speaker 10: These are names that I adore. I just want chosen longs.
Speaker 10: He propos are so much fun.
Speaker 9: Made my wish come true love for Christmas on Christmas.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so many things to break down here.
Speaker 2: First off, when she broke out with the Jews and
Speaker 2: the two backup dancers had shalom Uh, that was funny
Speaker 2: as hell. Also side Tangent didn't know zach Efron was
Speaker 2: a Jew, although out loud now that I've heard the
Speaker 2: last name Efron in this context obviously, but like wow,
Speaker 2: didn't know, oh man. And then she brought the whole
Speaker 2: thing with Jesus and the Yep, that was a That
Speaker 2: was a whole thing, and it was about the money
Speaker 2: because gold diggers be digging. You know what, Royce, I
Speaker 2: appreciate the hell out of you for this, for coming
Speaker 2: on the show to discuss Hanukkah and your people and
Speaker 2: your tradition and how even got to the point of
Speaker 2: celebrating Hanukkah, because again, I feel like most people don't
Speaker 2: really know the backstory. So I am glad that we
Speaker 2: on the Cult Conspiracy were able to talk about this
Speaker 2: as I want to say, unbiased, because that's not true.
Speaker 2: As we had these songs as the altro. Oh my god. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Ravenlee had to take off for a moment. She's got
Speaker 2: something she's got to do. But either way it goes. Royce,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on the show and
Speaker 2: discussing your culture, your heritage, your beliefs, and your hanakoh
Speaker 2: hanikkah hanukah. Yeah, thank you for coming on and discussing
Speaker 2: your Hankka traditions with everybody. And I think we all
Speaker 2: learned something today. I could be wrong. Maybe the people
Speaker 2: heard this and have developed even more of a hatred
Speaker 2: for the Jewish people. I hope not. I hope everybody
Speaker 2: at least took this with a little bit of appreciation.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, the dredo sounds fun. I actually,
Speaker 2: even though I'm a Christian, I might find ways to
Speaker 2: implement that in my children. Any holiday where there's drinking
Speaker 2: and gambling involved. It sounds like a riff snorting good
Speaker 2: time to me. I don't know. I don't know, but
Speaker 2: hell yeah, bro, especially with the fried donuts and everything too.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a tradition that we could all
Speaker 2: get behind. Up Here comes raven Lee. Perfect time. We
Speaker 2: are about to close out this episode. We just played
Speaker 2: the South Park Honkkah song and apparently there's a Mariah
Speaker 2: Carey all up for Christmas is Jews version of the song,
Speaker 2: and that's a whole thing. So you know, it's an
Speaker 2: excellent way to end this episode. Royce, once again, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for being our resident Jewish correspondent, for
Speaker 2: coming on and discussing honika with us to the level
Speaker 2: that you have. I think we've all learned something here.
Speaker 2: For anybody that would like to reach out to you,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to put your information
Speaker 2: out there or not, but you know, the floor is yours.
Speaker 2: If there's anything you would like to shamelessly plug, if nothing.
Speaker 4: Else, well, if you want to email me, it's Royce
Speaker 4: the Yid Frasier with the dot in between every word
Speaker 4: at gmail dot com. So Royce dot dot dot Frasier
Speaker 4: dot at gmail dot com. And uh, do you want
Speaker 4: to talk to me? Give me that way?
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah. Once again, to shameless plug our own things.
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Speaker 2: As of this episode goes, I think this is an
Speaker 2: excellent way for us to start our holiday season, our
Speaker 2: holiday week. Tomorrow, we're gonna have more fun and wildness.
Speaker 2: The next day, we're gonna have more fun and wildness.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to get into more the thick of
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