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Speaker 1: Happy Monday to you. Hope you had a great weekend.
Speaker 1: It was a jam pack sports weekend and I'll say
Speaker 1: it continues tonight with the college Football Playoff National Championship game.
Speaker 1: You can hear that game on our station and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get you ready for that game with a number
Speaker 1: of different great college football guest porter doing a great
Speaker 1: job today booking the program. We got a great guest
Speaker 1: list to cover college football, to cover the weekend that
Speaker 1: was in the NFL as we have conference championships lined
Speaker 1: up for the first time in thirty three years, the
Speaker 1: Washington football team Commanders, previously the Redskins, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: they are in the conference championship after upsetting the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1: That's kind of been the main topic on sports media today.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs took care of the Texans and very Chiefs fashion,
Speaker 1: two really good games. Yesterday saw the Eagles take care
Speaker 1: of the Rams at home, and once again Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: taking a lot of heat today undeservedly so in my
Speaker 1: opinion by the Buffalo Bills Mar Job. The University of
Speaker 1: Utah men's basketball team picks up a massive win over BYU.
Speaker 1: I was in the building. It felt like it did
Speaker 1: back when I was in school there in the late
Speaker 1: nineties from my advantage point for the first time in
Speaker 1: a while. So some good buzz around this basketball team now.
Speaker 1: And as Craig Smith said after the game, fans impact winning.
Speaker 1: Your next opportunity will be coming up on the twenty
Speaker 1: fifth of this month against Baylor, two home games after
Speaker 1: the road trip against one of the best college basketball
Speaker 1: teams in the country, Houston. And when you watch Houston play,
Speaker 1: they have grown men paint playing for Kelvin Sampson. They're
Speaker 1: the number seven team in the country. Baylor was upset
Speaker 1: by tc over the weekend, so youtes will be at
Speaker 1: Houston and then home against Baylor and Cincinnati before traveling
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. So some good buzz around the youths. There
Speaker 1: are three and three in conference play. They're eleven and
Speaker 1: six overall. They're tied with Baylor and TCU, as well
Speaker 1: as UCF and conference just behind West Virginia, Kansas and
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. BYU, on the other hand, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it today. They fall to two and four in
Speaker 1: conference play and they have not won a quad one game.
Speaker 1: They're owned five and quad one games. They're ozero and
Speaker 1: five excuse me, oh and four in games decided by
Speaker 1: five points or less. They have not won a game
Speaker 1: on the road. So, as we've talked about, if you're
Speaker 1: Kevin Young, you've got you've got the talent on paper,
Speaker 1: you've got two first round NBA prospects on your roster,
Speaker 1: You've you're paying these kids a lot of money. Now,
Speaker 1: he got a prov can coach, and I thought he
Speaker 1: was out coached by Craig Smith, who, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: does not have the same type of talent on paper
Speaker 1: as Kevin does. The BYU, so we'll get into that
Speaker 1: on the show today, and obviously the College Football National
Speaker 1: Championship tonight, presented by AT and T, it's Ohio State
Speaker 1: and Notre Dame. The line has moved over the past
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Ohio State is now a nine point favorite
Speaker 1: over the five nine ersh tonight. We will bring you
Speaker 1: that game right when we say good night, a little
Speaker 1: early about five thirty mountain time, and we're gonna preview
Speaker 1: that game on the show. Today, the Utah Jazz played
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Pelicans. I'm not sure how dal in
Speaker 1: you are to Jazz basketball right now, but the Jazz
Speaker 1: are ten and thirty, which at last check is last
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference, the third worst record in the NBA.
Speaker 1: And we know what time it is, so I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll get the injury report. Half the team's gonna be sitting.
Speaker 1: The Pelicans have eleven wins on the season, the Jazz
Speaker 1: have ten. So two bad teams. Go on, But happy
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Junior Day to U. The NBA celebrates
Speaker 1: this day and has for a number of years by
Speaker 1: playing a lot of games that started very early, namely
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock mountain time. So we'll do some on the
Speaker 1: program today. There is a ton to do. The Utah
Speaker 1: Hockey Club picks up a win over the Saint Louis Blues.
Speaker 1: RSL is on the pitch for a pre season to
Speaker 1: prepare for Cockey Cap and we are jam packed with
Speaker 1: a really really good guest list on this Monday afternoon.
Speaker 1: Good to have you with us. Our first guest right
Speaker 1: out of the gates. So one of my favorites to
Speaker 1: top college football with. His name is Spencer Hall, and
Speaker 1: we'll get a preview of tonight's game. We'll get a
Speaker 1: thought on the youths, thought on the Cougars Big twelve
Speaker 1: football with Spencer. We'll do some NBA with Tom Haberstrow today.
Speaker 1: Here's my NBA question out of the gates today, what
Speaker 1: sort of impact like lowry marketing is awesome when he
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Speaker 1: star players when the organization has not allow them to
Speaker 1: play in actual games. We'll do some big picture NBA
Speaker 1: with Tom. Josh Furlong stops by from KSL. He covers
Speaker 1: the University of Utah. He was in the building for
Speaker 1: Utah's win over BYU. So we'll get Josh on the
Speaker 1: show today, Scott Mitchell stops by, former Utah quarterback. We'll
Speaker 1: do some utes. It's a big twelve and we'll preview
Speaker 1: tonight's National championship game. And as a former quarterback of
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, how's that fan base digesting a really
Speaker 1: really difficult loss when they were a heavy favorite over Washington.
Speaker 1: And then Rick new Heisel joins the program. Rick is
Speaker 1: now with CBS as a college football analyst. He was
Speaker 1: a high level quarterback in his college and a little
Speaker 1: bit of pro pro day as well, but well known
Speaker 1: as a head coach for Colorado. You dub coached in
Speaker 1: the NFL for Baltimore as well, one of Rose Bull
Speaker 1: as a coach. I am seed an event last week
Speaker 1: in Park City where Rick was on our panel and
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun for our friends at
Speaker 1: Donalis Capital. So we'll bring in Rick new Heiseel today
Speaker 1: as well, so Spencer Hall, Tom Haberstrow, Josh for along,
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell, Rick new Heisel Mint what a show today
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Speaker 1: of you the great listeners, and back in the studio
Speaker 1: producing the show today. As a young man named Porter Larson, Porter,
Speaker 1: I know you're young, but I've got to say Saturday Night,
Speaker 1: Huntsman Center, Utah BYU Basketball. If I blinked, I would
Speaker 1: have felt like, you know, young Spence Check. Its bleached
Speaker 1: blonde hair, pukashell necklace, possibly two collars popped. Was in
Speaker 1: the student section watching Andre Miller and Britton Johnson play
Speaker 1: high level basketball.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: That was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Ye, the environment was really good.
Speaker 4: Obviously, the rivalry game often brings up in the ante
Speaker 4: when it comes to the environment, the atmosphere in the
Speaker 4: John M. Huntsman Center, But that's a venue that the
Speaker 4: history there, just the way that building is constructed. If
Speaker 4: you get the people in the building, it's gonna be
Speaker 4: fun and it's going to be loud, and it's going
Speaker 4: to you know, have an effect on the basketball game.
Speaker 3: And it did.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: I don't know that the basketball.
Speaker 4: Necessarily lived up to some of the stuff that we
Speaker 4: saw in the in the stands, but hey, Utah got
Speaker 4: the W.
Speaker 3: You talk, got the W. That's what matters. And we
Speaker 3: go from there.
Speaker 1: Grumpy producer porter on a Monday, are you trying to rain.
Speaker 2: On our.
Speaker 3: I'm just pointing it out.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: It was not exactly pretty basketball, but hey, an ugly
Speaker 4: W is a is a W nonetheless, especially in a
Speaker 4: rivalry game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and make a freaking free throw. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: both teams. All right, we're gonna get into it. I've
Speaker 1: got a great guest list today. Our first guest will
Speaker 1: be Spencer Hall. It's talks and college football. But before
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Speaker 1: So Saturday night at the Huntsman Center, University of Utah,
Speaker 1: welcomed in Euyu for a rivalry, a holy war on
Speaker 1: the hardwood, and I got to give a shout out
Speaker 1: to our guy, Ken Palmeroy Ken Palm, who's going to
Speaker 1: join the show, who's kind of a north star for
Speaker 1: all of us who cover college basketball. He said, the
Speaker 1: utes sorry one point favorite as far as his model goes.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you dig into the data a
Speaker 1: little bit further, you also said, this is basically a
Speaker 1: tass up. Seventy three seventy two is your fine. So
Speaker 1: Ken Palm was spot on. I was surprised and talked
Speaker 1: about this last week that Vegas installed Utah as the
Speaker 1: favorite over Byu. I mean, if you follow this stuff,
Speaker 1: if you cover it, if you analyze it, nobody is
Speaker 1: going to make a case that Utah has better personnel
Speaker 1: than Byu. Byu has jegor Demon who had last check
Speaker 1: on Jonathan Cavoni's mock draft is the number seven NBA
Speaker 1: prospect in the country. Kennon Catching's who I don't see
Speaker 1: it yet, man, Like we're going to get into it.
Speaker 1: Canon's coming off the bench, played thirteen minutes, came in
Speaker 1: and just jacked up a bunch of threes, went one
Speaker 1: to five from three in thirteen minutes. I mean, he's young,
Speaker 1: and you can see why the pro scouts like him.
Speaker 1: He's long. But we're going to talk about where these
Speaker 1: programs find themselves. But simply put, Utah doesn't have the
Speaker 1: talent on paper that Byu does. Now the interesting subplot here,
Speaker 1: of course, Kai Bakada, who played last year at the
Speaker 1: University of Utah, transfers to Brigham Young, makes himself a
Speaker 1: nice amount of NIO money comes back up and you know,
Speaker 1: two of seven four points nine boards, couple of assists,
Speaker 1: three blocks. The numbers don't really tell you the effect
Speaker 1: that Kaiba has on the game. He's really good, and
Speaker 1: I thought Utah did a good job of bringing the
Speaker 1: physicality the way of BUYU. So a couple of things here.
Speaker 1: First of all, Ezra Saur really has burst on the scene,
Speaker 1: and Craig talked about this after the game, that Ezra
Speaker 1: has been dealing with some personal things. He left the
Speaker 1: team for a death in the family. Craig actually got
Speaker 1: emotional in talking about Ezra, and he has kind of
Speaker 1: been the impetus to what Utah has been able to do,
Speaker 1: winning three straight Big Twelve Basketball games over Oklahoma State
Speaker 1: at home, TCU on the road, TCU beat Baylor this weekend,
Speaker 1: and then of course a massive win against BYU. Now,
Speaker 1: this was a Quad two win for Utah, but it
Speaker 1: was a Quad one opportunity for Brigham Young. They fall
Speaker 1: to zero to five now in Quad one games. So obviously,
Speaker 1: you know BYU is dealing with a lot of very
Speaker 1: new dynamics and new roster, a new head coach, which
Speaker 1: is just the reality of college sports right now. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have a ton of changeover comes to your roster
Speaker 1: year and in year out. But I really thought this
Speaker 1: was a confidence booster for a team that not a
Speaker 1: lot of people believe is going to do very much
Speaker 1: this year, so we probably should just stop doing media polls.
Speaker 1: Utah was picked last in the Big twelve in the
Speaker 1: media poll, and look, I can't say I don't understand why.
Speaker 1: A lot of question marks about the roster, a lot
Speaker 1: of question marks about whether or not you know, they
Speaker 1: have the talent to stack up with other Big twelve
Speaker 1: teams that literally have two or three NBA guys each.
Speaker 1: At least that's what it feels like when you watch
Speaker 1: Houston play. Coming up, Utah is going to be on
Speaker 1: the road taking on Houston. Houston has grown men like
Speaker 1: big dudes that are physical, and this is going to
Speaker 1: be a barn burner. It's going to be a fight.
Speaker 1: But before we get on to what's next, let's talk
Speaker 1: about what happened. First of all, I want to give
Speaker 1: a shout out to Utah fans. Utah fans packed that
Speaker 1: building on Saturday night in a way that truly I
Speaker 1: have not seen potentially since I was a student there
Speaker 1: in the late nineties. And there was BYU Blue, not
Speaker 1: as much as I thought there was going to be.
Speaker 1: And as we talked about last week, all of these
Speaker 1: rumors of BYU fans snatching up the second market tickets
Speaker 1: in the upper Bold and trying to come down low
Speaker 1: because you'd fans don't show up oftentimes you have to
Speaker 1: call it how it is. But that building was packed,
Speaker 1: and you know, I can only approach it from my
Speaker 1: own experience where I was sitting several Utah and BYU
Speaker 1: fans sitting close together, and all I saw was civil
Speaker 1: behavior from everybody. Does that mean that happened all over
Speaker 1: the arena? Probably not, But ultimately I think that was
Speaker 1: a good side plot. And Kevin Young actually talked about
Speaker 1: it after the game. He said his kids felt like
Speaker 1: they were walking into a UFC fight because they didn't
Speaker 1: know to expect. But as far as the game flow goes,
Speaker 1: so we saw. For I believe this is the second
Speaker 1: straight game the same starting five and also interesting subplot.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just Kavi Kaida. Jake Walleen was originally a
Speaker 1: BYU commit. I want to give a Hunter Ericson a
Speaker 1: ton of credit. Yes, he air bald won free throw.
Speaker 1: Hunter Erickson BYU player originally came back up. And also
Speaker 1: Caleb Lohner who transfer from BYU to Baylor and then
Speaker 1: came to Utah to play football. Calebs put on a
Speaker 1: tremendous amount. He looks like a football player playing basketball.
Speaker 1: When he was a freshman back here at the University
Speaker 1: of Utah, he did not look He looked like a
Speaker 1: basketball player, didn't look like a football player. That's a
Speaker 1: big boy man. He brings some physicality. Played nine minutes
Speaker 1: for Craig. So you have Hunter Erickson, you have Caleb Lander,
Speaker 1: you have Jake Walleen with Byutahs, you have k Bakata
Speaker 1: who played for Utah last year. And yes, you know,
Speaker 1: ultimately the conversation and my wish for all of you
Speaker 1: is you find something to be as passionate about as
Speaker 1: BYU fans are passionate about claiming the refs cost them games. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the free throw disparity is something that has to
Speaker 1: come into play, Okay. Utah shot thirty two free throws.
Speaker 1: BYU shot ten. BYU made four of ten free throws, okay,
Speaker 1: and then Utah seventeen of thirty two. It's like nobody
Speaker 1: wanted to win the game. Now, a couple of things here,
Speaker 1: Utah was the more physical team making the ball to
Speaker 1: the basket. When you're more physical, either attacking the rack
Speaker 1: or trying to go down low. And because BYU did
Speaker 1: such a good job on Gabe, I want to give
Speaker 1: BYU a lot of credit for the way they guarded
Speaker 1: Gabe Mattson. Everybody's talking about Gabe was two of twelve
Speaker 1: from the floor, one of eleven from three. He had
Speaker 1: no space. They were blitzing him off every single screen.
Speaker 1: They went with Mowatt mag on him. Originally actually thought
Speaker 1: Richie Saunders would chase him around. Richie spent some minutes
Speaker 1: on him, but every time Gabe came off the screen
Speaker 1: b I was close enough to the floor you could
Speaker 1: hear BYU players scream shooter, blitz him, bring two and
Speaker 1: Gabe had no space. Now, ultimately because of how BYU
Speaker 1: was playing Gabe Mattson, because as Utah goes, Gabe is
Speaker 1: going to go this year for the most part, I
Speaker 1: think Saturday is going to be an exception. But because
Speaker 1: BYU was gapping him, blitzing him, sending two, Craig elected
Speaker 1: to go download to lost and lovering a lot more
Speaker 1: than I've seen him. And obviously, you know we've probably
Speaker 1: gone too far without giving Ezra a so or even
Speaker 1: more credit. So it was losson and Ezra in the
Speaker 1: post and they were able to punish Byu and it
Speaker 1: didn't matter who was guarding Ezra. In fact, the only
Speaker 1: player who had a little bit of success was Kapa.
Speaker 1: Kata actually played him pretty well, but they went with
Speaker 1: Fus Treiori, who had a really, really nice game. He's
Speaker 1: such a skilled big with great footwork and really good feet,
Speaker 1: but he he couldn't do anything with Ezra, and Ezra
Speaker 1: was giving up inches. I don't know how tall he is.
Speaker 1: I mean as far as what he's listed at. I
Speaker 1: think Ezra's listed at six 't eight. There's no way
Speaker 1: he's like six ' five maybe, And he was giving
Speaker 1: up a lot of inches to BYU's bigs, but they
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything with his skill set, his ball fakes,
Speaker 1: and his overall ability to finish around the rim. He
Speaker 1: That game reminded me a lot of an old jazz
Speaker 1: player named Adrian Daley who was probably six ' five,
Speaker 1: couldn't jump over a piece of paper, but somehow had
Speaker 1: the ability with shot fakes, head fakes, and footwork to
Speaker 1: put up twenty eight thirty points every night. And Ezra
Speaker 1: has really kind of been the main impetus over the
Speaker 1: past few games for Utah's resurgence. He went for twenty
Speaker 1: one against Okay State. He was a little quiet against TCU.
Speaker 1: He only had eight points, had six boards. But you know,
Speaker 1: the twenty one points against Okay State was the season high.
Speaker 1: The twenty six against BYU is now a season high.
Speaker 1: And by the way, he had twenty four of his
Speaker 1: twenty six in the second half, like they couldn't do
Speaker 1: anything with him. But back to the fouls for a second,
Speaker 1: You do realize BYU was an intentionally fouling lost and
Speaker 1: lovering like over and over. So Utah more aggressive, BYU
Speaker 1: playing the hack of loss, and I guess what is
Speaker 1: what we'll call it. Were there some questionable calls? For sure.
Speaker 1: I was close to the court so I could see.
Speaker 1: There was also a horrible call that nearly gave BYU
Speaker 1: the win on Jake Walleen. That was just atrocious. This
Speaker 1: what to Porter's point, I mean, they didn't shoot well.
Speaker 1: Neither team. BYU goes thirty eight percent from the floor,
Speaker 1: Utah goes forty four. Both teams shot twenty six percent
Speaker 1: from the three point line, and then Utah fifty three
Speaker 1: percent from the free throw line and BYU forty percent
Speaker 1: from the free throw line. BYU out rebounds everybody but
Speaker 1: not Utah. Utah reb down to them forty seven, which
Speaker 1: I thought was a massive key, and Utah really rebounded
Speaker 1: as a team. While Lean had nine, Ezra had six,
Speaker 1: Lawson had seven, and then Mike and gave both that four,
Speaker 1: Keanu Doz came off the bench and Live in a
Speaker 1: minutes had three, Like everybody came in and got boards
Speaker 1: for Craig. And they played physical, they played hard, and
Speaker 1: they stayed in it to the end. And yes they
Speaker 1: needed a little bit of luck. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on this, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why Kevin Jung plays Trevin Nell. I
Speaker 1: have no idea in big moments, Like the only thing
Speaker 1: he does is shoot it well as far as a
Speaker 1: spot up shooter, he can. He moves pretty well without
Speaker 1: the basketball and if he's open, he's a dead eye.
Speaker 1: But he does not guard, he can't dribble, he can't
Speaker 1: make plays, and he missed Like he goes to the
Speaker 1: free throw line. I'm thinking it's done because the one thing,
Speaker 1: like if Trevin Nell doesn't make free throws, you have
Speaker 1: to pull a scholarship, like, that's why he's on your roster.
Speaker 1: But of course you feel bad for the young kid
Speaker 1: because I'm sure he's taking a lot of heat because
Speaker 1: he could have won it with a couple of free throws.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why Kevin doesn't just let Dallen be
Speaker 1: the primary playmaker the entire time. He has big twelve experience,
Speaker 1: and I just don't see right now Yegor Demin evolving
Speaker 1: into this top ten prospect. You know, you can see
Speaker 1: why pros like him because he's long and he can
Speaker 1: see over defenses. But as of now, a top ten
Speaker 1: NBA prospect is not something I'm seeing. So we'll get
Speaker 1: back to this game coming up in a bit. Josh
Speaker 1: Furlong was live at the game, and so we'll get
Speaker 1: his take on it. It Coming up next, we're gonna
Speaker 1: bring in Spencer Hall to do some college football. But
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Speaker 1: Spencer Hall, Spencer Happy Monday man? How you doing?
Speaker 10: I am ready to do this because it's Monday. We
Speaker 10: should have played this on Saturday. I know the NFL
Speaker 10: got bit, but always feels weird ending a college football
Speaker 10: season on a Monday.
Speaker 1: The most important question though, firm pillow guy, Soft pillow guy.
Speaker 1: How does Spencer Hull like to get asleep?
Speaker 10: Firm firm? I got a big hit, so I need
Speaker 10: a pillow. The fights back, the fights.
Speaker 1: Back, that's so good. I'm the same way. I'm the
Speaker 1: same way, all right. So let me follow up with
Speaker 1: what you just said, because it does seem like and
Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to it. You hear a lot
Speaker 1: of people that cover college football say, well, you should
Speaker 1: never go head to head with the NFL, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people now complaining that the game is played
Speaker 1: on Monday night. Are you of the opinion that college
Speaker 1: football should just play it Saturday night and go head
Speaker 1: to head with the NFL.
Speaker 10: I think it could, and I don't think it's a
Speaker 10: great idea, but I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if doing it the day night as.
Speaker 10: A television product on its own is that much better.
Speaker 10: I really don't. It's just it feels odd to me.
Speaker 10: And this is me fully admitting I don't think there
Speaker 10: is a really good solution. Just the calendars jammed at
Speaker 10: this point. Large football games matter a lot, but we
Speaker 10: have a lot of time and a lot of breathing
Speaker 10: room in between when we decide in this game and
Speaker 10: when we play it, and we might want to manage
Speaker 10: that a little bit better. It feels very It feels
Speaker 10: strung out too, and it feels a little thin to
Speaker 10: be ending this on January twentieth.
Speaker 1: I certainly agree with you there. Let's stay in the
Speaker 1: space of what I'm calling diagnosing, not prognosticating, because it's
Speaker 1: impossible to predict any of this stuff with a new
Speaker 1: format and college football being what it is, an unpredictable beast.
Speaker 1: But now that we have this twelve team expanded CFP
Speaker 1: more or less behind us, do you like the new format?
Speaker 1: Does it need adjusting? What's your take?
Speaker 10: I think it needs some adjustence because I do think
Speaker 10: we need proper seeding. We didn't really have that because
Speaker 10: we're still honoring conference championships, and this is a bit
Speaker 10: of a zero sum game because I don't think there's
Speaker 10: any way to properly see teams without necessarily discrediting or
Speaker 10: devalueing conference championships. And I think that's a conflict that
Speaker 10: they're going to have to resolve because if we automatically
Speaker 10: give bys to conference champions and just necessarily because of
Speaker 10: the way that the conference competition is set up, especially
Speaker 10: now it's not your conferences, you're going to get some
Speaker 10: weird results. You're going to get Boiser State and Arizona
Speaker 10: State deservedly under the current format and getting by and
Speaker 10: ending up in the second round, and really all Arizona
Speaker 10: State could live up to that, and I think that
Speaker 10: was probably the high side of an overall trend where
Speaker 10: if we continue to do that, I don't think you're
Speaker 10: going to end up with as strong an initial badge
Speaker 10: and competitionists as you might like.
Speaker 1: As I've told you before, I always push back on
Speaker 1: the whole like cheer for the conference that your team
Speaker 1: is in thing because it's such a fleeting landing spot
Speaker 1: and could change. But I will ask you, did Arizona State,
Speaker 1: with their performance against Texas, did that say anything about
Speaker 1: the quality of the Big Twelve overall or was that
Speaker 1: just a commentary on Kenny Dillingham and Arizona State in
Speaker 1: a vacuum.
Speaker 10: I think it has to necessarily speak well of the
Speaker 10: Big Twelve. I think Iowa State helped a lot with
Speaker 10: that by beating Miami too. That in those two games,
Speaker 10: the Big Twelve went up against prime competition or at
Speaker 10: least very good competition in Miami's case, and beat them
Speaker 10: straight up. And I think it speaks twelve that of
Speaker 10: both in individually, of Arizona State, there was no team
Speaker 10: that managed a bigger turnaround in terms of where they
Speaker 10: were last year three and nine in the conference and
Speaker 10: came out on top and very nearly beat Texas and
Speaker 10: took them into overtime in the College Football playoffs. So
Speaker 10: I think I answer to that question is yes and yes,
Speaker 10: I'll say yes to both of them.
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough. I don't mean to ruin your Monday,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna ask you this question because last week,
Speaker 1: I think it was last Monday, I sat down to
Speaker 1: start my prep and I'm like, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do today. I'm gonna do a segment on Big
Speaker 1: Twelve football next year. That just started like digging into it,
Speaker 1: and I have I have zero frame of reference, zero
Speaker 1: idea at what the big you know, how the Big
Speaker 1: twelve will play out, or what it's going to look like.
Speaker 1: What's the Spencer hall Way too early January feel on
Speaker 1: the Big twelve next year?
Speaker 10: Wow, that is quite the assignment on the spur in
Speaker 10: the moment. But I'm gonna roll with it. The most
Speaker 10: bankable asset in the Big twelves portfolio going into the season.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 10: We cannot write off the champion and the four of
Speaker 10: Arizona State not possible. Now, I know cam Scataboo can't
Speaker 10: be replaced, but that's a program with a lot going
Speaker 10: for it, a good young quarterback and Sam Levitt and
Speaker 10: a roster that's only gonna, I think, get deeper, smarter, stronger,
Speaker 10: and faster. So the variety of ball they played and
Speaker 10: how they manage what they had and their execution, it
Speaker 10: was unparalleled in conference. Just below them, I'd have to
Speaker 10: go Iowa eight just because you've got so much culture there, consistency.
Speaker 10: They won't be as good. And I'm just saying that,
Speaker 10: by the way, betting on regression to the mean, because
Speaker 10: this is the first It was not just the first
Speaker 10: ten win season, and I always say it history, it
Speaker 10: was the first eleven win season. So in over one
Speaker 10: hundred years of playing the game, they're going to come
Speaker 10: back a little bit, but they're still going to be good,
Speaker 10: just because of the institutional consistency there. And then while
Speaker 10: I'm thinking boring picks, Kansas State just seems to be
Speaker 10: the team that, you know, if I had to bank
Speaker 10: on somebody having eight or nine quality wins of the year,
Speaker 10: they're right there.
Speaker 1: So BYU fans out this way feel like they and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even sure that they're entirely wrong.
Speaker 1: And you know, the be think about college football. If
Speaker 1: it's a four team CFP, we're going to debate who
Speaker 1: five through ten would be. If it's a twelve team,
Speaker 1: we're going to debate who thirteen through sixteen would be
Speaker 1: or whatever. And a lot of people think BYU had
Speaker 1: a case to maybe be included in this expanded twelve
Speaker 1: team CFP. And the crazy thing Spencer is at the end,
Speaker 1: like the final two or three iterations and rankings BYU
Speaker 1: wasn't really even talked about. Now they lost two of
Speaker 1: their final three and certainly timing is paramount, and that
Speaker 1: Kansas loss at home where they only put up thirteen
Speaker 1: points will sting because they went toe to toe with
Speaker 1: ASU at their place and lost before kind of closing
Speaker 1: out against Houston, and then they route Colorado and the
Speaker 1: Alamo Bowl, which led to Reggie Bush saying, b YU
Speaker 1: got a deal. Now that we're sitting here and again
Speaker 1: diagnosing instead of prognosticating, do you think BYU fans have
Speaker 1: a legitimate beef?
Speaker 10: I think they do, especially with me, because I just
Speaker 10: left them out of that entire potential Big twelve preview.
Speaker 10: The sorry for that, you fan, that's a sincere apology.
Speaker 10: You're like, oh, surely he'll just go ahead and be like,
Speaker 10: you know, but no, there's no Bud here. Sorry about that.
Speaker 10: Y'all are awesome, No, just all polities for me.
Speaker 2: I would I would say this.
Speaker 10: I think that that they just due to the way
Speaker 10: that the playoffs was set up, they were a victim
Speaker 10: of recency bias. You know, losing games late isn't supposed
Speaker 10: to hurt when we're just considering the overall slate. It hurts.
Speaker 11: It hurts.
Speaker 10: It's because it's people picking the games, and they tend
Speaker 10: to remember what they just saw, which again is I
Speaker 10: and I Reggie Bush. All respect to Reggie, you know,
Speaker 10: it's more about football than all of you know. He's
Speaker 10: forgotten more about football than I'll ever know. But when
Speaker 10: Reggie says that, you know, oh man, they got a
Speaker 10: raw deal.
Speaker 11: Well, it's because you just watched them woolf up on Colorado.
Speaker 10: That's that's why you're an eye on it, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's fine.
Speaker 10: But at the same time, we do tend to just
Speaker 10: say what we just saw and not look at the
Speaker 10: body of work as a whole, which again phenomenal, and
Speaker 10: like I said in our earlier Big twelve preview BYU,
Speaker 10: is right up there in terms of the top three
Speaker 10: or four teams in the conference that has to be
Speaker 10: considered a contender.
Speaker 1: Well played, sir, and since you are on the home
Speaker 1: of the University of Utah, I'll take the opportunity to
Speaker 1: ask you about the utes. Now forty one new players.
Speaker 1: It's a fifty three percent roster turnover, and that's not
Speaker 1: anything Kyle's ever done. It's the reality of the sport now,
Speaker 1: and so I have no feel for it. I don't
Speaker 1: know much about any of these players. We interviewed Jason
Speaker 1: Beck last week, their new offensive coordinator. He's an impressive
Speaker 1: guy and a lot of schools wanted him and he
Speaker 1: lands at Utah. What's your Way too Early? The Spencer
Speaker 1: Hall January take on Utah football year two in the
Speaker 1: Big Twelve.
Speaker 10: I'm really intrigued to see how they managed roster k
Speaker 10: like that. I really do like that's it is not
Speaker 10: just a relatively new thing for everybody. It is so
Speaker 10: new to a very pecific way of doing things, doing
Speaker 10: things in Salt Lake that I'm really really intrigued by
Speaker 10: what they might be able to do or not be
Speaker 10: able to do with player development, because that's been one
Speaker 10: thing You've ta has been so good at, is player
Speaker 10: development and bringing them up and taking these guys and
Speaker 10: really teaching them how to be college football players over
Speaker 10: a span of years, not just one or two years.
Speaker 10: So I am intrigued by that. I am also intrigued
Speaker 10: by the kind of system that back is going to
Speaker 10: bring because you know, not that Utah has ever been
Speaker 10: backwards looking when it comes to offense, but I think
Speaker 10: things are shifting now towards leveling the playing field by
Speaker 10: running the ball more and having a more involved run game.
Speaker 10: So I'm really intrigued to see what they do with
Speaker 10: that because I think that plays.
Speaker 2: The roster thing.
Speaker 10: I don't know whether that's good or that. I have
Speaker 10: no indication as to whether this coaching staff and that
Speaker 10: culture is going to handle it well. I do know
Speaker 10: one thing that would be really cool if they stuck
Speaker 10: with that run game, because I think that plays really
Speaker 10: well into what Willingham has done with his best Utah teams.
Speaker 1: I am wildly impressed because I am the professor. You
Speaker 1: shut up to class today ready to take a different test,
Speaker 1: and I surprised you with a couple of questions and
Speaker 1: you handled it very well. So let's move on, Spencer,
Speaker 1: to the material that you have been studying, and that
Speaker 1: is the college football National Championship game that is tonight.
Speaker 1: We'll have it on our radio station. Let's go team
Speaker 1: by team, and then we'll get to the game. What
Speaker 1: stands out most to you about the fighting Irish in
Speaker 1: their run and Marcus Freeman at the age of thirty nine,
Speaker 1: feels like this wonderkins rising star in college football.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 10: There's a number of things that I think could be
Speaker 10: fascinating about this game, and I think it is one
Speaker 10: that Notre Dame could lose by twenty and we still
Speaker 10: wouldn't think any less of Marcus Freeman just because of
Speaker 10: the monster talent machines that are Ohio State has managed
Speaker 10: to acquire at the price of around twenty million dollars
Speaker 10: by most reports, something that my colleague Roger Sherman and
Speaker 10: his newsletter said was a deal. And I fully agree,
Speaker 10: twenty million dollars for that payroll in terms of recruiting athletes,
Speaker 10: paying them and getting to the campus is nothing. I
Speaker 10: think that is the model you're going to see, and
Speaker 10: it's the model that everybody, including Notre Dame on the
Speaker 10: other side, is going to have to establish as their benchmark.
Speaker 10: Another thing that's interesting to me is we've got a
Speaker 10: national title camp, but with two quarterbacks and who were
Speaker 10: both transferst So in case you wonder whether we're here,
Speaker 10: we're one hundred percent here. You have a coach who
Speaker 10: was at Notre Dame I believe a season before he
Speaker 10: became head coach and has gotten there relatively quickly. You
Speaker 10: have a guy, Ryan Day, who could very well win
Speaker 10: this game and then I don't know, take another job
Speaker 10: that's like he might, you know, like vi All indications
Speaker 10: it's been an extremely stressful year for him, a season
Speaker 10: that's something easy for his family. If there were an
Speaker 10: opportunity somewhere else in the NFL, you might be listening
Speaker 10: to that, even if they want a title. This is
Speaker 10: the era of the mercenary. And I think it's interesting
Speaker 10: when we say that, Hey, a new luminarian Marcus Freeman.
Speaker 10: You go, yeah, that's cool. No, we no longer assume, hey,
Speaker 10: Notre Dame's got their guy for the next decade. Hardly
Speaker 10: we say okay, well where's.
Speaker 1: He going next? Yeah, and you know it started out
Speaker 1: really rough that home loss to Marshall, and of course
Speaker 1: this year, you know, questions early on. But let's go
Speaker 1: to the other side. And you know you reference Ryan Day.
Speaker 1: Let me get excuse me, let me get your thoughts
Speaker 1: on this. I mean, yes, you got to be in Michigan.
Speaker 1: If you're the head coach of Ohio State and that
Speaker 1: hasn't happened four straight you hear some people. Look, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you'll you'll be good with this
Speaker 1: because I don't really know who to trust here. But
Speaker 1: is he legitimately in danger of losing that job if
Speaker 1: they don't win tonight.
Speaker 10: No, not if they don't win tonight. But what you
Speaker 10: I say you have seen is that that Ryan Day
Speaker 10: and that fan base, when they don't get along in
Speaker 10: the best of times, it's bad and then at the
Speaker 10: worst of times, it could be atrocious. So this to
Speaker 10: me is an indication that I don't think no coach
Speaker 10: is necessary to Ohio State. It's quite the other way around.
Speaker 10: Ohio States has success with a number of different coaches.
Speaker 10: The team, the university, the institution, and the football program.
Speaker 10: They make good coaches great, make great coaches into legends,
Speaker 10: and I think that's the way they think of it accurately.
Speaker 10: And I also think that's the part that that we're
Speaker 10: all aware of when we talk about Ryan Day. Now
Speaker 10: that said, Ryan Day's teams right now, on paper, you know,
Speaker 10: they're putting up better numbers than Urban Meyers best teams,
Speaker 10: and they've managed this. This is an interesting an interesting
Speaker 10: note about what you're looking at with Ohio State. At
Speaker 10: times it feels like Ohio State has played down to
Speaker 10: their competition or played unusual slow brand of football this year,
Speaker 10: especially given the talent they have. What you need to
Speaker 10: know is that they've managed the number of snaps to
Speaker 10: prepare for a long season, which is an exceptional job,
Speaker 10: you know, when you think about it, like football is
Speaker 10: a brutal, sometimes dangerous sport, and the fewer snaps that
Speaker 10: you can play if you know you're going thirteen, fourteen
Speaker 10: to fifteen games.
Speaker 2: Deep, the better.
Speaker 10: And they've done that. I think their defensive coordinator said
Speaker 10: they'd say over one hundred snaps over the course of
Speaker 10: a season, which could be you know, two games worth
Speaker 10: of snaps when you add it all together. That to
Speaker 10: me says somebody who could advertise his ability as somebody
Speaker 10: who can manage a program beyond the college ranks. And
Speaker 10: you know, you say, okay, well, could he lose his job,
Speaker 10: He could leave that job. I think that's far more
Speaker 10: plausible to him losing that job, especially given what we've
Speaker 10: seen out of both Notre Dame and Ohio State. It
Speaker 10: would be to me surprising if Notre Dame won this game,
Speaker 10: but it would not be shocking shocking loss my costumes job,
Speaker 10: especially near where he lost to Michigan. But overall, the
Speaker 10: performance given what they put into this program and what
Speaker 10: they've gotten out, especially in obliterating Oregon in Tennessee and
Speaker 10: two of their three wins on the way to the
Speaker 10: title game. I think it speaks for itself.
Speaker 1: Let me follow up, as you reference he might just leave,
Speaker 1: and is that due to the day to day what
Speaker 1: feels like heavy weight pressure with the Ohio State job.
Speaker 1: Would he take another college job? Would he look to
Speaker 1: the look to go to the NFL. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are all hypotheticals, but what sort of job would cos
Speaker 1: Ryan Day to jump?
Speaker 10: I think I think it would be a pro job.
Speaker 10: I don't think there's any college job necessarily, like you've
Speaker 10: already you've already hit the pinnacle of what you can
Speaker 10: do in college if you're at Ohio State. So I
Speaker 10: don't see that. If there were a pro job to
Speaker 10: open up, I think that's what you would be looking at,
Speaker 10: you know. And the Bears just took one of those
Speaker 10: real logical one off the board in hiring Ben Johnson
Speaker 10: OC for the Lion.
Speaker 1: Yes they did. All right, let's move over to the
Speaker 1: actual game, and I'm I'm with you, Although when everybody
Speaker 1: seems to be on one side, I tend to try
Speaker 1: to push back a little bit. I don't know, though,
Speaker 1: I mean, Ohio State feels like the side here. They're
Speaker 1: a nine point favor. That line has moved a couple
Speaker 1: of times towards the way of the Buckeyes. I guess
Speaker 1: how I'll pose it is, how does how does Notre
Speaker 1: Dame stop this from becoming the Tennessee track meet? You know,
Speaker 1: how does Notre Dame stop this becoming an Oregon boat race?
Speaker 1: You know, to at least keep this thing close down
Speaker 1: the stretch.
Speaker 10: It would help if they snapped the ball with one
Speaker 10: second on the play clock. That'd probably be a really
Speaker 10: good decision on their part. The other thing that can
Speaker 10: help them is they have a choice to make. Al
Speaker 10: Golden has done a lot in terms of playing and
Speaker 10: defense as a defensive coordinator for Notre Dame. They're not
Speaker 10: going to be able to do that. I don't think,
Speaker 10: even though it has been their bread and butter, I
Speaker 10: think they're going to have to bracket him. And by bracketing,
Speaker 10: if you're listening to this, you go, ah, what do
Speaker 10: you mean, Doublelin doublin? This is what Belichick would do
Speaker 10: with best talent. He is defensive coordinator. Every time, you know,
Speaker 10: it's hilarioustuff to him talking to Chad Johnson saying, hey man,
Speaker 10: you can take the day off eighty five because we're
Speaker 10: doubling you.
Speaker 2: Chad Jofice.
Speaker 10: No, because if we do w we do something like
Speaker 10: Texas did, where we hold you to you know, we
Speaker 10: hold you to one yard or one reception for three yards.
Speaker 10: That's what they're capable of. Because you know what Jeremiah
Speaker 10: Smith can do. Jeremiah Smith can crack open an entire
Speaker 10: defense by himself. You can't let that happen. So flow
Speaker 10: pace double Jeremiah Smith. Hope you can live with the
Speaker 10: damage that the rest of them can do and then
Speaker 10: affect the delivery system. You gotta affect Will Howard. Will
Speaker 10: Howard is a good quarterback, sometimes great and even when
Speaker 10: he's great though, like a lot of great quarterbacks, and
Speaker 10: I think you saw this with the game between the
Speaker 10: Bills and the Ravens. You had guys who, when they're
Speaker 10: playing on the very edge of capability, you can make
Speaker 10: some stupid looking turnovers even if you're a great player.
Speaker 10: That's what you knew Will Howard to do. You need
Speaker 10: to affect him. You need to pressure him. That's hard
Speaker 10: given some of the injuries on Notre Dame's defense, which
Speaker 10: is yet another reason why you go, hey, I got
Speaker 10: to tell you a lot of stories, and I got
Speaker 10: to get you to believe a lot of things to
Speaker 10: get you to a notre dame upset. I don't need
Speaker 10: you to believe a thing to believe that are to
Speaker 10: get you to Ohio State wins this game.
Speaker 1: One more thing, Spencer, and we're going to end the
Speaker 1: way we started with a question that might not be
Speaker 1: on the exam you anticipated, but you referenced Urban Meyer's
Speaker 1: name earlier. And Urban was here for two years and
Speaker 1: really changed the directory of Utah football. And you know,
Speaker 1: obviously what he did at Florida Ohio State cannot be discounted.
Speaker 1: But at the very end, it wasn't just what happened
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. There were just some kind of salacious, not
Speaker 1: great looks for him that kind of came out a
Speaker 1: little bit. He it was announced last week he's you know,
Speaker 1: he was adopted in the College Football Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: and again one of the in my opinion, as far
Speaker 1: as results go, one of the greatest ever do it.
Speaker 1: How will we look back on his tenure on both
Speaker 1: college and pro football, as you know, as the conversation
Speaker 1: ages a bit.
Speaker 10: I think you look at him as one of the greats.
Speaker 2: I think he was.
Speaker 10: Especially generationally, he was one of the best. I think
Speaker 10: that the guy who did that is no longer there.
Speaker 10: I think if you've looked at somebody who is the
Speaker 10: poster child for burnout, he's it.
Speaker 2: You know, he's.
Speaker 10: Somebody for whom it's not a guy who you looked
Speaker 10: at and you thought you look like you're having fun.
Speaker 10: At no point did any of that look like fun.
Speaker 10: So if you said, would urban Meyer come back for
Speaker 10: the love of the game, I would say, I don't
Speaker 10: know what you mean by love of the game.
Speaker 2: There does he need to get a.
Speaker 10: Bunch of guys to beat a bunch of guys up?
Speaker 2: That seems to be the thing he.
Speaker 10: Enjoyed and he was really good at. But I don't
Speaker 10: think he looked like somebody who ever said fun. And
Speaker 10: I don't think he's physically or mentally the same guy
Speaker 10: because of what he put himself through to get there.
Speaker 10: And I'm just talking about the Florida job before he
Speaker 10: ever gets to Ohio State or whatever Jackonville was. By
Speaker 10: the time he gets to Jacksonville, I don't think that's
Speaker 10: the same person. So I think he'll be remembered as
Speaker 10: one of the greats. I think that he'll also all
Speaker 10: of the bad stuff and all of the scars will
Speaker 10: be part of that legacy too, which is funny because
Speaker 10: one of like in that sense he resembles somebody who
Speaker 10: was one of the first guys he ever worked for,
Speaker 10: which is Lou Holt. I think that's a good comparison,
Speaker 10: except I think Meyer was better. And I like the
Speaker 10: records and the most notably the championship.
Speaker 1: Speak for that Spencer. Thanks for the time. I am
Speaker 1: going to give you a passing grade in an A plus,
Speaker 1: even though I tricked you with some questions, and enjoy
Speaker 1: the game tonight, man with chat soon. Okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: How about that? You'll bring in Josh Furlong. Today we
Speaker 1: have Scott Mitchell, Rick Neuheisel, but do a little NBA
Speaker 1: with one of my favorites on a Monday, Tom Haberstrow.
Speaker 1: On this Monday afternoon, Tom, what's your pillow preference? What's
Speaker 1: the pillow situation at the Haberstrow household.
Speaker 12: I'm so glad you asked, because I am a couch
Speaker 12: pillow guy.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, what exactly what does that look like?
Speaker 12: When I sit on the couch and watch TV, I
Speaker 12: need a pillow in my lap?
Speaker 1: Oh uh? Is that just like an odd quirk or
Speaker 1: is there a reason?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 12: I think in the Haberstow household growing up, whenever we
Speaker 12: watch baseball or basketball in the house wall, we s
Speaker 12: fought over the big pillow.
Speaker 1: It was this green, down.
Speaker 12: Big pillow that was really heavy, and you would just
Speaker 12: kind of sit either Indian style or cross legged or whatever,
Speaker 12: and then we would be able to have this weight
Speaker 12: in our stomach, on our belly, and it kind of
Speaker 12: hid our insecurities about like you know, like when you
Speaker 12: sit on the couch and sometimes you feel kind of fat.
Speaker 12: If you hold a pillow while you're watching TV, it
Speaker 12: just adds about thirty percent more satisfaction to whatever you're watching.
Speaker 12: And so in bed I find myself doing the same thing.
Speaker 12: Where am I clutching a pillow, whether it's a body
Speaker 12: pillow or just a big, big monster pillow. I love
Speaker 12: a hotel room when there's like an obscene amount of
Speaker 12: pillows on the bed because that means one of them
Speaker 12: I can hug like a bear.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, I should have expected a detailed breakdown from
Speaker 1: you on that question, because that's what you do with
Speaker 1: everything I ask you. So we'll move on because I'm
Speaker 1: sure our listeners are not all that interested in our
Speaker 1: pillow preferences. But come on by the warehouse, all right,
Speaker 1: let's start with look at you, Tom, Bravo, sir bravo.
Speaker 1: So let's start with the piece you wrote today, because
Speaker 1: it's very topical and you know, unfortunately, after Buffalo beat Baltimore,
Speaker 1: you knew that the majority of the covers was going
Speaker 1: to be very anti Lamar, who's just awesome and really
Speaker 1: really fun to watch. But the postseason is what it is,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people are drying the NBA parallel
Speaker 1: of James Harden. But you disagree, Tom, Let's unpack it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: To be fair, I'm not an NFL analyst, but what
Speaker 12: I do well is I compare statistical resumes very well.
Speaker 12: I do the research and I find whether a James
Speaker 12: hard and comp makes any sense for a guy like
Speaker 12: Lamar Jackson, and I think it's off base. I don't
Speaker 12: think it makes any sense. Frankly, like we're measuring Lamar
Speaker 12: Jackson against the guy won one MVP, whereas Lamar Jackson's
Speaker 12: about to win his third or has a chance to
Speaker 12: win his third MVP in seven seasons. And so based
Speaker 12: on that alone, I think it's unfair to Lamar Jackson
Speaker 12: to be comparing him to James Harden win by objective accolades,
Speaker 12: and you know, statistically.
Speaker 11: Lamar is just better.
Speaker 12: And so what we want to do is say, oh,
Speaker 12: he's James Harden, because James Harden hasn't won a championship,
Speaker 12: he hasn't led his team to the NBA finals, besides,
Speaker 12: you know, being a part of that OKC team in
Speaker 12: twenty twelve. The guy that makes the most sense statistically individually,
Speaker 12: team wise is not James Harden. It's Giannis Enatakoumpo. And
Speaker 12: the reason is because and Jannis ended the Kompa before
Speaker 12: he won his title. First seven seasons in the league,
Speaker 12: he was three and five in the postseason in terms
Speaker 12: of playoff series one, he was three and five.
Speaker 2: That is the exact same.
Speaker 12: Record as Lamar Jackson in the postseason, three and five.
Speaker 12: They have the exact same number in their first seven
Speaker 12: seasons in the league of playoff appearances, they have the
Speaker 12: same exact number of conference championship or conference final appearances
Speaker 12: and finals appearances. It's the exact same They're identical first
Speaker 12: seven years in the league. And so I think we
Speaker 12: tend to look at Lamar Jackson as like, oh, he's
Speaker 12: never gonna win the big one, because you know, it's
Speaker 12: hard to look into the crystal ball and project what
Speaker 12: he's going to be. But I think it's unfair to
Speaker 12: paint him as the next or as James Harden of
Speaker 12: the NFL, considering that he's way better than James Harden
Speaker 12: ever was. I don't think James Harden was hands down
Speaker 12: considered the MVP in multiple years, and I think Lamar
Speaker 12: Jackson we could be looking at this a year from
Speaker 12: now in the same way we did with the Honest,
Speaker 12: where in twenty twenty he was in many eyes, a
Speaker 12: fraud that he was a regular season performer, back to
Speaker 12: back MVPs Defensive Player of the year in twenty twenty,
Speaker 12: in the same year he won MVP and he lost
Speaker 12: in the second round to the Miami Heat in five games.
Speaker 12: And so I think when you look at the resume
Speaker 12: both of these guys, it's like looking in the mirror.
Speaker 12: Lamar Jackson is Jannis and Jannis is Lamar Jackson. And
Speaker 12: I think a hear from now we could be talking
Speaker 12: about Lamar Jackson. We were all wrong the last year
Speaker 12: and he finally won the big ones.
Speaker 1: That excuse me, that's interesting. And I did not know
Speaker 1: which name you were gonna drop, and I would not
Speaker 1: have landed on you, honest, But I can understand ultimately
Speaker 1: the motivation. And you know, Lamar is too good to
Speaker 1: continue to have these postseason failures. I think at some
Speaker 1: point he's gonna break through. And the problem is the
Speaker 1: Chiefs have Mahomes and obviously Buffalo West Josh Allen, but
Speaker 1: we won't do NFL because that's not your bread and butter.
Speaker 1: And I am stretching to try to make one question
Speaker 1: about the Utah Jazz somewhat interesting, Tom, And here's what
Speaker 1: it is. So we all know that Larry Markenen is
Speaker 1: really good and he's the one piece in my opinion,
Speaker 1: they have found after trading Gobert and Mitchell that is real.
Speaker 1: I have questions about everybody else. Walker has certainly made
Speaker 1: some strides this year, and I'm happy for him and
Speaker 1: proud of him, for sure, But they're keeping Lowry out
Speaker 1: out of a lot of games, and we understand why.
Speaker 1: And he's only playing incrementally here or there, and when
Speaker 1: he has played this year, the numbers have dipped. I
Speaker 1: just wonder, in your opinion, what sort of danger there is,
Speaker 1: if any at all, when a team sits a star
Speaker 1: player a lot during the regular season, because you cannot
Speaker 1: replicate a game no matter what you do. And obviously
Speaker 1: Larry's practicing and he's staying in shape, and he's getting
Speaker 1: shots up and all the things that he does. But
Speaker 1: is there some sort of potential pitfall or danger when
Speaker 1: a team decides that they're going to shelf one of
Speaker 1: their best players for a number of different games throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the season.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's definitely a concern with any any NBA star
Speaker 12: is whether you can really basically take a year off
Speaker 12: and get back to where you were beforehand beforehand, which
Speaker 12: is an All Star caliber player. And the weird thing
Speaker 12: about Lowry market in this year is that when he's
Speaker 12: on the floor, they're six and twenty five. When he's
Speaker 12: not playing, they're four and five. I mean, they're a
Speaker 12: five hundred team without Lowry marketing, and then there's six
Speaker 12: and twenty five with him on the floor. And so
Speaker 12: the idea is, hey, we can't really play market in
Speaker 12: if he's not one hundred percent. We want to make
Speaker 12: sure he doesn't get injured, we want to preserve him
Speaker 12: for the long haul. We got his long term view
Speaker 12: in the future. That makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 12: But it is odd that his numbers have dipped and
Speaker 12: even when he does play, they're they're still not very good.
Speaker 12: And even when he doesn't play, they're actually on the hole.
Speaker 12: In a small sample size in nine games, they're four
Speaker 12: and five. So I think when you look at whether
Speaker 12: the decision is to play him or not play him,
Speaker 12: I think you got to play him. I think they're
Speaker 12: not good enough to be very competitive on a nightly basis,
Speaker 12: even with marketing, and this roster right now where John
Speaker 12: Collins has played one game since Christmas, and you're looking
Speaker 12: at a team that is playing the New Orleans Pelicans,
Speaker 12: they just lost to the Hornets, they just lost to
Speaker 12: the Pelicans, and when they just beat the Brooklyn Nets
Speaker 12: in overtime, you're asking yourself like it does seem counterproductive
Speaker 12: in the whole ping pong ball mass. But you remember,
Speaker 12: Utah still plays in the Western Conference, and whether they
Speaker 12: have Lowry markinin or not, they have the fourth hardest
Speaker 12: schedule remaining in the NBA by virtue of being in
Speaker 12: that Western Conference, and the team Washington that has the
Speaker 12: worst record in the NBA, they have the twenty ninth
Speaker 12: hardest I mean easiest schedule because they play in the East.
Speaker 12: So they are potentially Utah just by being four and
Speaker 12: a half games back of the Washington Wizards, just by
Speaker 12: virtue of being in the Western Conference, they might pile
Speaker 12: up some losses here, whether marketing plays or not, because
Speaker 12: the Washington Wizards had a cupcake schedule going forward and
Speaker 12: the Toronto Raptors the same way.
Speaker 1: All right, since it is only a few weeks away,
Speaker 1: and it feels like every time I dial up a
Speaker 1: trade deadline guide or prediction piece, the Jazz are mentioned,
Speaker 1: I have no idea whether or not they're going to
Speaker 1: be active, And we will revisit this Tom I apologize
Speaker 1: every single time you join us prior to the trade deadline,
Speaker 1: But you're a guy that's in the know, You're a
Speaker 1: guy that's plugged in hearing anything on the Jazz prior
Speaker 1: to this February fifth NBA trade deadline.
Speaker 10: Well, I think the Nick.
Speaker 12: Richards trade is very interesting. The Charlotte Hornets traded their
Speaker 12: backup center Nick Richards to the Phoenix Suns for essentially
Speaker 12: two second round picks. Very very interesting because I thought
Speaker 12: that he would get more than that. You look at
Speaker 12: a guy like John Collins, or you look at a
Speaker 12: guy like Walker Kessler. If you're the Utah front office
Speaker 12: and looking at that Nick Richards deal, you're probably a
Speaker 12: little scared. Because Nick Richards is a good play. He
Speaker 12: showed that in his Phoenix Sun's debut, and they saved
Speaker 12: Phoenix like twenty million dollars in tax money, and they
Speaker 12: took on a cheaper contract. Nick Richards was making less
Speaker 12: than Josh Akogi who went the other way to Charlotte,
Speaker 12: and Charlotte could only get two second round picks for
Speaker 12: Nick Richards. So I'm a little worried for the market
Speaker 12: value for Walker Kessler and John Collins based on that information.
Speaker 12: I think it's more unlikely that they get a deal
Speaker 12: done based on that price tag, because I don't think
Speaker 12: Utah is looking to trade John Collins or Walker Kessler
Speaker 12: if they're not getting a first round pick, And based
Speaker 12: on that market value Nick Richards and that great contract
Speaker 12: that he's on for five million dollars this year a
Speaker 12: little more than that next year, I suspect that there's
Speaker 12: a greater chance that they stay put in Utah then
Speaker 12: maybe a week ago. And you know, this is kind
Speaker 12: of them. When you're a team that is selling at
Speaker 12: the trade deadline, it's not necessarily you sell it for
Speaker 12: the highest bidder. It's that you sell it for a
Speaker 12: price that you're willing to sell it at. And for
Speaker 12: a lot of these teams, they might be flaunting these
Speaker 12: players and saying, yeah, they're available, but only if they
Speaker 12: need a certain asking price. And for you know, the
Speaker 12: Utah Jazz, I think that asking price, unfortunately might have
Speaker 12: to be pushed and squeezed downward because of that Nick
Speaker 12: Richards contract or that trade that the Phoenix Suns were
Speaker 12: able to get for him at a at a pretty
Speaker 12: pretty cheap number. So I'm a little surprised by that
Speaker 12: and I do think Utah is going to be active
Speaker 12: in the trade market, whether they're going to be helping
Speaker 12: to facilitate trades. We talked on the KOC Show last week,
Speaker 12: Kevin O'Connor and I we discussed about who would be
Speaker 12: a better fit in Minnesota, Julius Randall or John Collins,
Speaker 12: and I think John Collins would be a much better
Speaker 12: fit in Minnesota. But the tough thing about Minnesota is
Speaker 12: they have to trade. They can't aggregate contracts because there
Speaker 12: is second ap from team. So any team that trades
Speaker 12: with Minnesota has to take on Julius Randall, and I'm
Speaker 12: not so sure many teams are willing to do that
Speaker 12: unless Minnesota is sending away a first round pick. They
Speaker 12: do have Detroit. They have Detroit's first round pick this year,
Speaker 12: which actually becomes a little bit more valuable now that
Speaker 12: it's going to you know, not no longer be a
Speaker 12: lottery protected though I'm wondering, can John Collins go to
Speaker 12: Minnesota they take on the Julius Randall contract, but do
Speaker 12: they get a first round pick from Minnesota to kind
Speaker 12: of basically rid of themselves of the Julius Randall situation
Speaker 12: because it's not going well in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: So let's move over, excuse me, to other potential deals,
Speaker 1: and let's move over to Jimmy Butler, who is back
Speaker 1: playing for the Heat after that suspension, and it looked like,
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy tried to come at the King and
Speaker 1: as they say, you best not miss and he may
Speaker 1: have because I talk to you about this, Tom when
Speaker 1: the news broke, like he wants out. When you dig
Speaker 1: into the details and you look at, you know, the
Speaker 1: cap situation and the ramifications of making a deal depending
Speaker 1: on what it is, it really just doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: for Miami to move him, and so maybe they find
Speaker 1: a deal. I don't know. I did enjoy grumpy Eric
Speaker 1: Spolstra after his first game, where you could my read
Speaker 1: on the Tom is that he's just over it, that
Speaker 1: he's kind of exhausted, and he just said, you know,
Speaker 1: essentially like I'm trying to win games and all I
Speaker 1: can focus on are the guys that are here. And
Speaker 1: this is what Jimmy Butler does. It's what he's done everywhere.
Speaker 1: There's a little Chris paul Field where he just grades
Speaker 1: on dudes. Do you think they find a spot for
Speaker 1: him prior to the trade deadlineer, is he with the
Speaker 1: Heat through the end of the year.
Speaker 12: Well, that player option is really interesting because you have
Speaker 12: kind of a James Harden situation in Philly where James
Speaker 12: Harden was so fed up with Daryl Morey he was like,
Speaker 12: I'm taking this player option and trade me. And it
Speaker 12: was kind of this standoff where Darryl Moore is like,
Speaker 12: all right, fine, I'll try to find a taker for you,
Speaker 12: and he ended up making a pretty good deal out
Speaker 12: of that. And so you know, James Harden wanted out
Speaker 12: of Philly. They couldn't get a deal over the summer,
Speaker 12: and so he picked up that player option and was
Speaker 12: just like, all right, now send me to the Clippers.
Speaker 12: And he did get the Clippers deal done. So maybe
Speaker 12: that's the James Harden play here is Look, if you
Speaker 12: can't find the trade partner at the deadline, if the
Speaker 12: only option is Phoenix and you're not taking the no
Speaker 12: trade clause, or you're not convincing Bradley Beal to wave
Speaker 12: the no trade clause, and the Miami Heat are not
Speaker 12: going to take on that Bradley Beal contract, which has
Speaker 12: at least two more years left on it at fifty
Speaker 12: million plus. I can understand why the Miami Heat.
Speaker 11: Are like, dude, we tried.
Speaker 12: Unfortunately, Jimmy, the market isn't as bullish on your next
Speaker 12: deal as you thought, and we're going to have to
Speaker 12: play this a little bit longer. And so it might
Speaker 12: be that Jimmy Butler says, all right, fine, we'll take
Speaker 12: this into the summer. If you really want to play
Speaker 12: it that way, We'll take the summer. I'll pick up
Speaker 12: the player option, and we'll keep on going this next year.
Speaker 12: I think ultimately they'll get a deal done the Miami Heat.
Speaker 12: I think the Phoenix Suns are going to be desperate
Speaker 12: the fact that they are basically five hundred right now,
Speaker 12: they're a game above five hundred, and they're looking at
Speaker 12: borderline playing team. They might miss the playan altogether. That
Speaker 12: would be an absolute, massive, massive disaster for Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 12: With Matt Eshby in that four hundred million dollars payroll
Speaker 12: this year. So I do think that if it comes
Speaker 12: to the Phoenix Suns giving up that twenty thirty one
Speaker 12: pick that they owe or that they have and they
Speaker 12: could trade in a deal, I think eventually that gets done.
Speaker 12: I think eventually the Phoenix Suns will look at the
Speaker 12: situation and say, whoever will take the Bradley deal, contact
Speaker 12: will sweeten it with this twenty thirty one pick and
Speaker 12: maybe even reroute it to the Miami Heat to get
Speaker 12: the deal done. But I do think that they're going
Speaker 12: to want Jimmy Butler enough that they're going to have
Speaker 12: to put all their chips in the middle because they
Speaker 12: cannot afford to miss the playoffs here. It's just a
Speaker 12: matter of who is that third team or fourth team
Speaker 12: that facilitates the Bradley Buil deal. I know that I've
Speaker 12: talked about on this program that it makes some sense,
Speaker 12: not a lot, but some sense in Detroit because of
Speaker 12: all the familial ties between the Phoenix Suns front office.
Speaker 11: And the Detroit front office.
Speaker 12: Don't sleep on the Detroit Pistons, who are right now
Speaker 12: in the ninth slot, five hundred ninth slot in the
Speaker 12: Eastern Conference. And I do think that you're going to
Speaker 12: see Detroit want to upgrade at the deadline to make
Speaker 12: sure that they solidify a really good season around Kate Cunningham,
Speaker 12: who's playing like an all star right now.
Speaker 1: Any other names slash teams you want to throw out
Speaker 1: there that could be active and deals that actually are
Speaker 1: are meaningful at as opposed to some of these throwaways
Speaker 1: we may see.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think when you look at the Phoenix Suns,
Speaker 12: you see those reports about Kevin Durant and Devin Booker,
Speaker 12: I mean I would love Devin Booker on the Houston
Speaker 12: Rockets just in general as an NBA fan, I want
Speaker 12: to see the Houston Rockets team make a big push
Speaker 12: this year because I think they're ready. Fred Van Vliet
Speaker 12: great player, but I don't think he is the best
Speaker 12: player on a championship team or close to it. And
Speaker 12: I think if you get a Devin Booker or Kevin Durant,
Speaker 12: that makes just the NBA a lot more exciting. But
Speaker 12: you know, I never count out the.
Speaker 11: New York Knicks.
Speaker 12: The New York Knicks led by Leon Rose, led by
Speaker 12: a front office power center from CIA Creative Arts Agency.
Speaker 12: Leon Rose's number one client was Devin Booker and Karl
Speaker 12: Anthony Towns. Those were the jewels of his clientele. And
Speaker 12: he already got Karl Anthony Towns, and it might be
Speaker 12: a better time before he adds Devin Booker to the
Speaker 12: New York Knicks. If he had his brothers, I'd imagine,
Speaker 12: So it makes a lot of sense that the number
Speaker 12: one CAAA client on the market or at least in
Speaker 12: the NBA is Devin Booker, and basically the rest of
Speaker 12: the roster, including Jalen Brudson and Tom Thibodeaux and more.
Speaker 12: Why West all CAA guys, I would not count out
Speaker 12: if it's not this trade deadline, the long play of
Speaker 12: looking at the New York Knicks as a potential Devin
Speaker 12: Booker destination. I've written about that before on Yahoo Sports,
Speaker 12: but it's just something.
Speaker 10: To keep in mind.
Speaker 12: Is as the Phoenix Suns teeter at five hundred and
Speaker 12: might miss the playoffs playing altogether, just keep an eye
Speaker 12: on what Kevin Durant and Devin Booker do as the
Speaker 12: headline approaches.
Speaker 1: Last excuse me, last thing, Tim, I'll set you loose.
Speaker 1: After this simple question, OKAC continues just to be incredibly impressive,
Speaker 1: and you look down the list of teams that could
Speaker 1: potentially compete and win four times and seven tries the
Speaker 1: simple question, I'll ask you, does it feel like OKAC
Speaker 1: is starting to separate themselves from the rest of the West,
Speaker 1: And if not, who's that team that keeps Mark Dagnall
Speaker 1: up at night?
Speaker 12: Well, let's be real. They are not even as good
Speaker 12: as they can be right now, okayc is another level.
Speaker 12: I mean, that's the scary thing is chet Holmgren was
Speaker 12: arguably their best player for the first ten games of
Speaker 12: the season. What he did defensively both ways, spaces the floor,
Speaker 12: plays hard defense, the rim, can run a fast break,
Speaker 12: can run your offense. That dude might be coming back
Speaker 12: in a few weeks, and so whatever hope you had
Speaker 12: of catching Okac goes out the window. If Chet Holmgreen
Speaker 12: comes back and they're full, full squad, like full squad,
Speaker 12: no one's touching him. I don't think I don't think
Speaker 12: Cleveland is I don't think Boston is full squad. I
Speaker 12: think Okay see runs through the NBA Finals in the
Speaker 12: same way that you know Golden State, you know, when
Speaker 12: Steph Curry was, you know, turning the corner with under
Speaker 12: Steve Kerr, and just everyone in retrospect was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 12: why did we not see? How do we not see
Speaker 12: this coming? I think that's the Okac thunder this year.
Speaker 12: They're blowing teams out this year by such a margin
Speaker 12: that if it held for a full season, it would
Speaker 12: be the greatest regular season by point differential in NBA history,
Speaker 12: So I mean, it just seems inevitable to me. I
Speaker 12: know that they didn't get even to the conference finals
Speaker 12: last year, but I just think okay See is so
Speaker 12: good on both ends of the floor, and if Homegren
Speaker 12: comes back, it's a rap. I'm sorry, Spence, it's a rap.
Speaker 12: And that's why Utah it's smart to punt on this
Speaker 12: season because I don't think. I don't think anyone's going
Speaker 12: to be okay See this year in the Western Conference,
Speaker 12: and Cooper Flag is on the other side of that,
Speaker 12: and I think he's worth thanking for Sam.
Speaker 1: Where excuse me, where can people go find your work?
Speaker 12: Tomdfinder dot com? Have that Lamar Jackson post right there,
Speaker 12: and the New York Knicks post about how crazy the
Speaker 12: minutes are under Tom Thibodeau for that starting five. It's
Speaker 12: historic what we're seeing from that starting five, and how
Speaker 12: many minutes TIDS is playing those guys. Yahoo Sports KOC
Speaker 12: show last week and the Big Number podcast and of
Speaker 12: course Basketball Illuminati every Wednesday, the count the Dings Network.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, appreciate the Tom. Have a good week
Speaker 1: with chat soon.
Speaker 2: You got Spence?
Speaker 1: All right, the great Tom havebers show Little NBA on
Speaker 1: a Monday afternoon. We're going to bring in Josh Furlong.
Speaker 1: Josh was in the building for Utah's went over BYU
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Speaker 1: on our station. We're gonna say good night at five thirty,
Speaker 1: but we'll do some mutes now with our buddy Josh
Speaker 1: Furlong from KSL, who was in the building on Saturday
Speaker 1: night to watch Utah beat BUYU. Josh Happy Monday, buddy,
Speaker 1: how are we doing a little?
Speaker 5: How are you spent well?
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time today. So let's start with the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: I got to say in in Craig said after the game,
Speaker 1: you know, fans impact winning, and you know, I was
Speaker 1: a student there in the nineties, late nineties when the
Speaker 1: head coach was a guy named rickman Jaris and I,
Speaker 1: I think Josh from my vantage point, that was the
Speaker 1: first time I've been to a game that kind of
Speaker 1: felt like the old days. So we'll get to the game.
Speaker 1: But what'd you make of what I perceived to be
Speaker 1: a really fun atmosphere the Huntsman Center on Saturday night?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean for Utah, that was one of the
Speaker 5: best crowds they've had in a long time. It was
Speaker 5: you know a lot of people worry that BUAU fans
Speaker 5: are going to come buy all the tickets because they
Speaker 5: were expected to do well and everything that way, but
Speaker 5: you know, krudos to the students that came up. I mean,
Speaker 5: that was probably the biggest mus student section that I've
Speaker 5: seen in quite some time, probably dating back to maybe
Speaker 5: those a's on the UCLA days, and Utah was pretty
Speaker 5: competitive with them.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 5: It was just a good rock of environment, and I
Speaker 5: think they really impacted the way that Utah was able
Speaker 5: to play, And I mean, I think that's that's the
Speaker 5: way it should be, right. Fans impact away winning and
Speaker 5: giving momentum and everything, and sure the product on the
Speaker 5: court has to kind of match that to an extent,
Speaker 5: but I think they've really been able to blend that lately,
Speaker 5: and you're starting to see maybe people buying in a
Speaker 5: little bit more So.
Speaker 1: The question is how much of it had to do
Speaker 1: with BYU being in town, how much of it had
Speaker 1: to do with Utah winning a couple of straight games.
Speaker 1: Was there something that was different about the promotion the
Speaker 1: game ops? I mean, look, the bottom line is, as
Speaker 1: I've talked about for years, to give any Utah coach
Speaker 1: a fair fighting chance, the fans have to show up
Speaker 1: because kids want to play in front of people. And
Speaker 1: if a recruit comes to the Huntsman Center and there
Speaker 1: are seven hundred and fifty people there spread out over
Speaker 1: the play all over the place, it's going to be
Speaker 1: tough to attract good players, high end talent. The best
Speaker 1: thing this community can do if they want Utah basketball
Speaker 1: to be good again is to make Saturday night the
Speaker 1: reality every night. You think that's a realistic expectation.
Speaker 5: Now, I mean, I think it's getting there, right, I
Speaker 5: think I think you're absolutely right though. I mean the
Speaker 5: fact that, you know, football is able to have so
Speaker 5: many sellouts, that absolutely buies into some of what Utah
Speaker 5: success has been.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Players to those games, they come to the environment and
Speaker 5: they see it. You know, the gymnastics, you've got sellout
Speaker 5: crowds every single night. With basketball, you've had that, but
Speaker 5: in reason it hasn't been able to be there. And
Speaker 5: I think it does go hand in hand with what
Speaker 5: is there. And I you know, I have I've been
Speaker 5: impressed with with the crowd since Utah you know, starts
Speaker 5: conference play, Big twelve play has been much more improved.
Speaker 5: There's been much more fans. I mean, it's nothing like
Speaker 5: it was with BYU. That's always going to be a
Speaker 5: big draw and obviously that's gonna get more of a sellout.
Speaker 5: But I have been impressed that people are showing up
Speaker 5: a little bit more. I think they're starting to realize that,
Speaker 5: you know, they impact winning to an extent. Outside of
Speaker 5: Saturday though, I mean, the student section still hasn't been
Speaker 5: that great and then to me, you know, if you're
Speaker 5: going to Utah, I don't understand why you're not there.
Speaker 5: You know, what else are you doing. You've either got
Speaker 5: you know, homeworker or something else. There's no reason not
Speaker 5: to go to those games and show out. So to me,
Speaker 5: that's still kind of the piece that's lacking. And I
Speaker 5: think those are the ones that are going to be
Speaker 5: more raucous and and you know, spirited. You know, the
Speaker 5: the older people that are sitting there just looking to
Speaker 5: have a good time with the season tickets, They're not
Speaker 5: necessarily the ones that are gonna be kind of riled up.
Speaker 5: So it's getting there, but I still think they have
Speaker 5: a long ways to go.
Speaker 1: So let's dig into the game for a little bit here, Josh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that there would be anybody
Speaker 1: out there who would debate that Byu has not just
Speaker 1: superior talent on paper, but like far superior talent on paper.
Speaker 1: The last Jonathan Cavoni mock draft has Yego demon as
Speaker 1: a top seven prospect. Candon Catching is a lot of
Speaker 1: people believe as a first round kid as well. I believe,
Speaker 1: I know the reports are out there that Yegor is
Speaker 1: a seventh figure nil Kid, and I think Canon is
Speaker 1: as well. And we don't even have to stop there.
Speaker 1: Mark Pope badly wanted Richie Saunders and Dollen Hall to
Speaker 1: go to Kentucky. Fus has been around forever and he's
Speaker 1: really really good. And I'm not saying Craig doesn't have horses.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't believe he has the horses Kevin does.
Speaker 1: So that to me was a very very well coached
Speaker 1: game by Craig Smith, and players certainly deserve some credit
Speaker 1: for making timely play. But what do you most attribute
Speaker 1: Utah's win too on Saturday night.
Speaker 5: I think it's mostly coming down to them realizing that
Speaker 5: the way that they're going to be able to compete
Speaker 5: in the Big twelve is they have to play as
Speaker 5: a team. They don't have a guy that is necessarily
Speaker 5: going to go hero ball or go ISO on some guy.
Speaker 5: You know, Gabe Madison's probably been your closest to that
Speaker 5: in the past, especially with the spot up shooting. But
Speaker 5: Utah has to be a team to be able to
Speaker 5: win these games, and you saw that in these last
Speaker 5: three games, especially that TCU game on the road. I mean,
Speaker 5: they were passing the ball at an elite level. They
Speaker 5: were doing things that allowed them to be able to
Speaker 5: just really take advantage of their teamwork and move together.
Speaker 5: It started out that way at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 5: and you can argue, you know, that's non conference play
Speaker 5: and you're playing teams and like the three hundreds RPI
Speaker 5: type levels, but you saw some chemistry. It kind of
Speaker 5: started to fall away for a long time, and you're
Speaker 5: starting to get that now they don't have those players
Speaker 5: that you're talking about right, like deman Is. You know,
Speaker 5: we'll see, we'll see if he's able to be able
Speaker 5: to go into the into the draft this year. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think the Utah game is just one example of
Speaker 5: kind of him not living up to expectations recently. But
Speaker 5: clearly they have far more talent on paper. But I
Speaker 5: think the big advantage for Utah's they're finding ways to
Speaker 5: get guys to believe, they're finding ways to be able
Speaker 5: to play as a team. And then when you do
Speaker 5: have somebody that goes off like an Ezrasr, you know,
Speaker 5: it makes it so much easier to just keep feeding
Speaker 5: him and then if he's not working, then you can
Speaker 5: pass it out to somebody else. It's just it's become
Speaker 5: much more of a team mentality with the running uts.
Speaker 5: You know, it's kind of embodies Craig's atmosphere where he's
Speaker 5: not always going to be able to get the top
Speaker 5: end guys, you know, whether it was at Utah State
Speaker 5: or other places, but he's going to find a way
Speaker 5: to make you play as a team and do well.
Speaker 5: And when teams buy in to his strategy, it generally works. Though.
Speaker 5: He's had a winning strategy and I think you're starting
Speaker 5: to see that. So, you know, for their sake, for
Speaker 5: Craig's sake in terms of his tenure at Utah, you
Speaker 5: have to hope that that's kind of catching on and
Speaker 5: that they can continue to fight that. But this road's
Speaker 5: not going to be easy in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: So after the game, Craig was emotional when asked about
Speaker 1: Ezra Ezra Sar and you rode on it, and I
Speaker 1: gotta say, man, I was wildly impressed with that kid.
Speaker 1: Because Kevin Young tried everybody. The only player who had
Speaker 1: a little bit of success was actually kay Bakeata. But
Speaker 1: you know, Ezra was taking Trey Orri to school and
Speaker 1: he was Josh. He's listed at six to eight give
Speaker 1: me a break. He might be six ' five, there's
Speaker 1: no way he's six ' eight. There's a little like
Speaker 1: Adrian Dantley for you old school of the NBA Jazz
Speaker 1: fans are like Larry Johnson in New York after he
Speaker 1: injured his back in Charlotte. Because it's footwork, it's pump fakes.
Speaker 1: He can finish with the right hand, with the left hand,
Speaker 1: and by you couldn't do anything with him. So what
Speaker 1: stood out most to you about his performance, how he's
Speaker 1: played over the past few weeks, and what should you
Speaker 1: fans know as to why Craig appeared to be emotional
Speaker 1: when asked about Ezra after the game on Saturday. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is a guy that didn't really start
Speaker 5: playing basketball until his junior or senior year year of
Speaker 5: high school, and so he's still relatively new to basketball
Speaker 5: and obviously has some God given talent in his ability.
Speaker 5: But you know, there's there's a lot there where he's
Speaker 5: still trying to be able to understand that he can
Speaker 5: do things right. He's learning confidence in himself. I don't
Speaker 5: I don't know all the inner workings of what's going
Speaker 5: on in his life. Obviously, he had a death in
Speaker 5: the family recently. That's that's impacting him. But there's other
Speaker 5: things that I think is more just kind of on
Speaker 5: the human side in terms of just being able to
Speaker 5: believe that you can be there right. You know. It's
Speaker 5: that imposter syndrome that we all face sometimes where it's
Speaker 5: like am I really living? You know, am I really
Speaker 5: this good? Or is it you know, just happenstance type stuff.
Speaker 5: But I think with him, you know, when he starts
Speaker 5: to believe in himself, he's a completely different player and
Speaker 5: he can impact winning in a large way. As you saw,
Speaker 5: you know, I mean his his head fakes, you know,
Speaker 5: pump fakes, whatever, whatever he was doing was just absolutely
Speaker 5: destroying b what you and they had no answer for it.
Speaker 5: Then he found a way to be able to draw
Speaker 5: contacts to be able to send him to the free
Speaker 5: throw line, and he's improved the free throw line. But
Speaker 5: if not, he was either able to get an easy
Speaker 5: dunk or he was able to get a nice lay up.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, he's a big guy, Like you said,
Speaker 5: he's not six eight, I don't think, you know, but
Speaker 5: he's much more wiry than somebody like a Fussini that
Speaker 5: he should be able to not have that kind of
Speaker 5: ability to be able to do that, and nothing was
Speaker 5: stopping him, right, And I think I think that's the
Speaker 5: fun thing that you can see with him, is when
Speaker 5: you get a guy that can start to believe in himself.
Speaker 5: And sometimes this happens in college, sometimes it happened in
Speaker 5: you know, high school ranks or you know, wherever it is,
Speaker 5: then it starts to change their game. They start to
Speaker 5: believe in themselves, and I think that really unlocks kind
Speaker 5: of a guy's potential. I really think that that's where
Speaker 5: he's at. You know, Craig's a big believer in guy's
Speaker 5: unlocking their potential. You know, he's very invested into these
Speaker 5: guys as much as you want to say, you know,
Speaker 5: it's the nil Era and transferportal Ara and he's just
Speaker 5: trying to fill a roster. Craig deeply cares about these people,
Speaker 5: and he cares very much so about Ezra. I'm seeing
Speaker 5: him as a human being, and so I think all
Speaker 5: of that kind of just combined on Saturday, and it
Speaker 5: just was this perfect storm for him, obviously to get
Speaker 5: the win, but him just to be able to showcase
Speaker 5: his skills and say that he can't actually do it
Speaker 5: on the floor.
Speaker 1: So I know this is gonna sound weird, but I
Speaker 1: didn't think Gabe was that bad, and I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why. Okay, So Gabe mattson two of twelve from
Speaker 1: the floor, one of eleven from three. He had four boards,
Speaker 1: he had three assists, He had three turnovers on the
Speaker 1: eight points. And Gabe is, in my opinion, the most
Speaker 1: important player on this team from an offensive standpoint. But
Speaker 1: I want to give Byu a lot of credit because
Speaker 1: they played him really well. Lot magg started out on him,
Speaker 1: Dawson Baker had some minutes, Ritchie Saunders had some minutes,
Speaker 1: but they were gapping him. They were blitzing him off
Speaker 1: every single screen, whether it was a baseline screen, a
Speaker 1: down screen. There were two players on him as soon
Speaker 1: as he was coming off screens. He didn't have space,
Speaker 1: but he was for the most part intelligent with his
Speaker 1: decision making and allowed for some open space for other players.
Speaker 1: And I wondered if Craig was gonna put Hunter ericson
Speaker 1: in because all they need did was somebody to be
Speaker 1: able to knock down some shots with the gravity that
Speaker 1: that Gabe was mandating. Because there were open looks and
Speaker 1: I was really happy for Hunter obviously as a former
Speaker 1: b YU kid who hit two massive threes. They do
Speaker 1: not win that basketball game without Hunter ericson. But give
Speaker 1: me your take on how Utah was able to utilize
Speaker 1: kind of the attention BYU gave Gabe to open up
Speaker 1: the lanes for Ezra and Lawton, and then your thoughts
Speaker 1: on Hunter coming in and knocking down some really big shots.
Speaker 5: Yeah, first off, I'll touch on Hunter. I mean, those
Speaker 5: those were cut shots. I mean in overtime, especially him
Speaker 5: being able to hit that deep three that changed the
Speaker 5: entire tone of the of that that arena. Right, he
Speaker 5: hits that, Suddenly Utah has life again, and then it
Speaker 5: was even possible for him to be able to have
Speaker 5: those free throws. The fact that he air air bald
Speaker 5: one and then still managed to go to the line
Speaker 5: the next time and drain both of them, I mean,
Speaker 5: a gutsy, gutsy play for a guy that a lot
Speaker 5: of people have kind of cast off. That's another guy
Speaker 5: that you know, he was in the starting unit at
Speaker 5: b YU, but then had to kind of go to
Speaker 5: SLCC to kind of refigure himself out, and he's been
Speaker 5: able to develop and become a key piece to Utah.
Speaker 5: He's not always your starter, he's not always the guy
Speaker 5: that's going to, you know, need his minutes. But he's
Speaker 5: a guy that is the glue guy, the guy that
Speaker 5: comes in and says, I'll do whatever you need me
Speaker 5: to do and do it. So on his kudos to
Speaker 5: him because he's been a phenomenal asset for UTAH. But
Speaker 5: I'm that same bane Gabe has as well. Right, he's
Speaker 5: obviously been in a shooting slump, and it's very tough
Speaker 5: for shooters to be in a shooting slump, right. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, like I've seen on Twitter, people
Speaker 5: are like, we need to bench him. He needs to
Speaker 5: not be on the floor anymore. But the reason that
Speaker 5: you spelled out exactly is that he draws people away.
Speaker 5: He provides that spacing, and in college you don't get
Speaker 5: a ton of spacing like you do in the pros.
Speaker 5: And so the more that he can do to just
Speaker 5: spread the floor out and stretch it out a little
Speaker 5: bit to allow somebody like a loss and Lovering or
Speaker 5: an Ezra Sar or Keanu Das or any of these
Speaker 5: guys to be able to work in the post. It's
Speaker 5: because of him because they know that the second they
Speaker 5: decide to not respect him and they pay too much
Speaker 5: attention into that post game, he's going to stand out
Speaker 5: there and pop off a shot and one of those
Speaker 5: is going to fall on in these times, and I
Speaker 5: think that's the benefit that UTAH has right here. Maybe
Speaker 5: teams start to relax on Gabe a little bit as
Speaker 5: they start seeing somebody like a loss and work or
Speaker 5: an Ezra work, and they really have to respect that
Speaker 5: post game. But Utah has done a good job of
Speaker 5: being able to develop itself where they can be an
Speaker 5: inside out game. They can do whatever they need to
Speaker 5: where you can go into the post and feed that
Speaker 5: and be able to hit at a consistent level there.
Speaker 5: But if they decide to take that away, you do
Speaker 5: have shooters. Maybe it is Hunter, maybe it's Gabe. You know,
Speaker 5: his brother Mason hasn't been able to see the floor
Speaker 5: as much lately, But somebody like a Gabe, even though
Speaker 5: his numbers have not been great, and I know that's
Speaker 5: frustrating to him. If anything, he's becoming a decoy to
Speaker 5: be able to spread the floor and if he gets
Speaker 5: the opportunity to shoot it, he's gonna shoot it. And
Speaker 5: you know, generally he's gonna make it. It's just been
Speaker 5: a tough stretch for him. And when those start falling,
Speaker 5: you hope that it's like in March. You know, hopefully
Speaker 5: it's before then, but you know, Utah hopes that he'll
Speaker 5: continue to be in that mix. And once that does,
Speaker 5: you know, they become a very deadly team, especially if
Speaker 5: they can get both of those those games inside out working.
Speaker 1: Okay, Josh, let's get weird. Let's get weird on a Monday,
Speaker 1: all right. Utah picked to finish last in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: And as we learned during football season, when I believe
Speaker 1: Arizona State was picked to finish last in the Big Twelve,
Speaker 1: we don't know a damn thing, and we're all just guessing.
Speaker 1: That's why I try to diagnose, not prognosticate, because it's impossible.
Speaker 1: What are you willing to say if you open up that, Josh,
Speaker 1: for a long imagination about what you believe Utah's chances
Speaker 1: are in this conference this year? And do you think
Speaker 1: they could make the NCAA tournament? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a tough one, man. I think you know
Speaker 5: they're gonna have to be able to steal some of
Speaker 5: these games that they have upcoming, you know, a Houston
Speaker 5: or a Baylor game, that Baylor game at home. That's
Speaker 5: the real possibility that you could steal and give you
Speaker 5: a real shot of kind of some life. But as
Speaker 5: you know, as we've learned a sport, the team that
Speaker 5: gets hot at the right time is going to be
Speaker 5: able to do it. So I wouldn't necessarily count Utah out.
Speaker 5: I think if they can continue to stay engaged the
Speaker 5: way that they have been, there's a shot. But I
Speaker 5: you know, I mean outside of going on a massive
Speaker 5: streak of winning, I mean, their best shot is honestly
Speaker 5: got to be at the conference tournament, where you just
Speaker 5: hit the right teams, you play right on the right days,
Speaker 5: and be able to win in that large bid that way.
Speaker 5: I just I don't know. I think the odds are
Speaker 5: still against them. I think they're at this point still
Speaker 5: an NIT level team. But you know, the last three
Speaker 5: games are shown that they can do it right. You
Speaker 5: can go to TCU, a place that teams just don't
Speaker 5: win that no Big twelve team is beating TCU in
Speaker 5: in Fort Worth this year except for Utah. They can
Speaker 5: do it right. This is a team that can contend
Speaker 5: with Iowa State. They've done it, they just haven't been
Speaker 5: able to finish or put it together consistently. So I'm
Speaker 5: willing to go and stretch my neck out and say
Speaker 5: that there is a possibility. You know, I don't think
Speaker 5: the dream is dead by any means, but I'd still
Speaker 5: think there's so much that has to go that even
Speaker 5: isn't in their control for them to be able to
Speaker 5: make it. But the fact that you can even be
Speaker 5: in that conversation is at least a good.
Speaker 1: Thing for sure. Josh, thanks for the time, brother, to
Speaker 1: have a great week and we'll get you back on soon.
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks, appreciate it. Man, a good one.
Speaker 1: Josh Furlong covers University of Utah for KSL the utes.
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame and Ohio State, but our next guest good
Speaker 1: enough to join us from time to time, which he's
Speaker 1: not traveling the world or hanging out with kids you
Speaker 1: went to high school with. It turned into serial killers.
Speaker 1: It's a real thing. Scott Mitchell on a Monday, Scott,
Speaker 1: Happy Monday. How are we doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome. That's a great introduction right there. You know,
Speaker 2: listening to that commercial, it's like, why would you ever
Speaker 2: turn off ESPN seven hundred. I mean you could catch
Speaker 2: all the games you shouldn't listen all the time. You get,
Speaker 2: you get you, you get Sean O'Connell. Come on, people
Speaker 2: listen all the time. That's what I have to say.
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell, who apparently has been hired as our general
Speaker 1: sales manager, joins the show today. You're not wrong, Scott.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the pub and of course everyone wants to
Speaker 1: listen when you're on the show. But here's my question,
Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell, right out of the gates Detroit Lions fans
Speaker 1: on a Monday after that loss where a lot of
Speaker 1: people thought they were going to be right in the
Speaker 1: mix to win the entire thing. You played pro ball
Speaker 1: for Detroit at a very high level. I just wonder
Speaker 1: what you takes. And I love the Jade and Daniel story.
Speaker 1: And Washington hasn't been in the Conference champions title game
Speaker 1: in thirty three years. But you know, if you're a
Speaker 1: Lions fan, you finally had it. Everything was in place,
Speaker 1: you were relatively healthy, and the wheels fell off, some
Speaker 1: injuries defensively, But what do you think that community is
Speaker 1: like on this Monday afternoon, Scott.
Speaker 2: I just my heart goes out to all those people,
Speaker 2: and if I wanted to see something in sports ever happen.
Speaker 2: It was the Detroit Lions winning a Super Bowl simply
Speaker 2: for their fans. They really are some of the best
Speaker 2: fans in the world in the sense that they are
Speaker 2: so loyal to this team. I mean, this team's not
Speaker 2: any good and folks still show up and they're lifer.
Speaker 2: These are life, life long Lion spans. They've worn the
Speaker 2: badge of you know, futility for so long and it
Speaker 2: just felt like it was going to be their time.
Speaker 2: And love the coach and what he's doing, and and
Speaker 2: just the nucleus of players you just pull for them,
Speaker 2: you know, with pull for Jared Golf and and just
Speaker 2: you know, want him to do well, and just so
Speaker 2: many good things there. It was crushing, but it really
Speaker 2: brings to light something that's a brutal truth about the NFL,
Speaker 2: and that's it's hard to win. It's hard to win
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, it's hard to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: And so he sees people like Tom Brady's doing seven times.
Speaker 2: You you understand that a lot of luck gets involved
Speaker 2: in that. But also, man, they're really good and they're
Speaker 2: they're really good teams to be able to do that.
Speaker 2: You're seeing that to some degree with the Kansas City Chiefs,
Speaker 2: but it's just a hard thing. And part of it
Speaker 2: that makes a hard expense is they only have one game.
Speaker 2: Like it's every week is do or die. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't get any you don't get a reset, you
Speaker 2: don't get a do over. It's it's a sudden death
Speaker 2: elimination every week. And it's the brutal reality and the
Speaker 2: harshness of professional football. But also what makes it so
Speaker 2: compelling and so intriguing. You know, you tune in because
Speaker 2: you just see how that pressure of having that you're
Speaker 2: done in year out does to people, and it impacts
Speaker 2: people in different ways, which is why Jade and Daniels
Speaker 2: is so freaking amazing what that guy's do. Like he
Speaker 2: must have like some something in his brain that doesn't work,
Speaker 2: and it's that fear, It's that it's that pressure button
Speaker 2: or something, because because a rookie should not be playing
Speaker 2: like that, not only in the playoffs, all season long.
Speaker 2: He's just been incredible.
Speaker 1: He has And let me let me follow up, because
Speaker 1: Scott we had him out in this direction. Jane Daniels
Speaker 1: was a Pac twelve kid and I'll just speak for
Speaker 1: myself when I watch at Asu. I'm like, man, he's fun,
Speaker 1: he's dynamic, he's talented. But I mean, come on, like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think even the most art and
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels fans will tell you they saw this coming.
Speaker 1: But I cheer, as I often say when everybody, whenever
Speaker 1: anybody asks me, like who do you cheer for to win?
Speaker 1: I say all the local teams, And then I just
Speaker 1: cheer for stories. And I'm here for this jad and
Speaker 1: Daniels story as they're taking on Philly now coming up
Speaker 1: for the chance to go to the Super Bowl. What
Speaker 1: what are you most impressed about the way Jadeen Daniels
Speaker 1: has been able to traverse this, this rookie experience in
Speaker 1: pro football.
Speaker 2: He had committed to Utah. I mean he was he
Speaker 2: was committed to Utah and her Edwards came in kind
Speaker 2: of at a late date and and swooned him away.
Speaker 2: And I think part of the intrigue, because this is
Speaker 2: my this is part of my answer to your question.
Speaker 2: Part of the intrigue was I feel like her Medwards
Speaker 2: can get me to the NFL. And I think Jayden
Speaker 2: Daniels and he talks about it that he saw himself
Speaker 2: as this kind of player would He was a young kid,
Speaker 2: and his whole thing was about playing and playing great
Speaker 2: in the NFL. And and he said, you know, I
Speaker 2: could go to Utah and and and how many you know,
Speaker 2: how many you know, they're not a hotbed for quarterback
Speaker 2: per se. But I could go to Arizona State, where
Speaker 2: I've got a coach who did coach in the NFL,
Speaker 2: who did play in the NFL. And then when that
Speaker 2: fell apart, he goes, I'm going to go to the
Speaker 2: big you know, he has a chance to go to LSU.
Speaker 2: So he's had this willingness to do whatever it took
Speaker 2: to go wherever he needed to go to get himself
Speaker 2: in the right position to be able to play at
Speaker 2: a high level because he was he was exceptional at
Speaker 2: at LSU. And I think that move to LSU was
Speaker 2: that thing that really kind of put him over over
Speaker 2: the top. And you know, and then and then on
Speaker 2: top of it, and this is the biggest thing I
Speaker 2: think of all spence of anyone like you know this
Speaker 2: post Sha dur Sanders and so does he go, don
Speaker 2: where does he go? Kind of thing. Jayden Daniels went
Speaker 2: to a coach, went to a system that was like
Speaker 2: built for quarterbacks, and Cliff Kingsbury done a phenomenal job
Speaker 2: for a long time. You know, if you're a young quarterback,
Speaker 2: that's like, I want to go where that guy. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go any coach that's a defensive minded coach,
Speaker 2: don't I don't want to go there. Don't put me there,
Speaker 2: don't let me go there. I'll retire before I ever
Speaker 2: start kind of mindset. And Jade Daniels really lucked into
Speaker 2: the right coach at the right time to fit who
Speaker 2: he is, and they've done a beautiful job of really
Speaker 2: accentuating what he can really do. And I mean he's
Speaker 2: consistently done it all season long.
Speaker 1: He has all right, it was inevitable that the sports
Speaker 1: media news cycle was going to contain a lot of
Speaker 1: Lamark just cannot do this come playoff time content, and
Speaker 1: I had to at some point turn it off because
Speaker 1: it just gets so Scott. I do not think wins
Speaker 1: and losses are a quarterback stat That's my opinion. But
Speaker 1: having said that, the record is what it is. That
Speaker 1: looked like a very cold and challenging place to try
Speaker 1: to play quarterback, and the other team has Josh Allen
Speaker 1: they're pretty good. So what's fair to say today on
Speaker 1: this Monday after the Ravens and the Baltimore Ravens and
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson once again are ousted early on in the postseason.
Speaker 2: But when you have two players, you have two teams
Speaker 2: that are competing at a high level. Every little play,
Speaker 2: every moment matters, and with the turnovers and the drop
Speaker 2: passes in the in the critical times, the teams that win,
Speaker 2: they find a way to get it done. At the
Speaker 2: end of the game, they find a way to close
Speaker 2: it out and win it and and and you have
Speaker 2: to it's it's just a learned thing. I mean, Peyton Manning,
Speaker 2: I think the first five years he was in the
Speaker 2: playoffs he really struggled. And you know, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of guys have been really good that haven't been
Speaker 2: amazing in the playoffs, and then you have some other
Speaker 2: guys that, you know, kind of kind of do a
Speaker 2: better job. So I agree with you, and the wins
Speaker 2: and losses and playoffs and Super Bowls really shouldn't account
Speaker 2: for the greatness of a quarterback, for sure. But because
Speaker 2: I love Lamar Jackson and I think he put him
Speaker 2: in a position in a tough environment in tough playing
Speaker 2: conditions to tie the game. And you know he throws
Speaker 2: a nice touchdown pass late the guy drops the ball.
Speaker 2: Guy the same guy fumbles the ball earlier as they're
Speaker 2: moving into score. And you know that's that's not on
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. I mean he was there. You know, he
Speaker 2: was a guy that was present when the game was
Speaker 2: on the line. He didn't fold, he didn't crumble from it.
Speaker 2: He did what he had to do to put him
Speaker 2: in a position to win the game. If I'm a
Speaker 2: coach Spence and I got a chance to have Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson on my team, I raised both hands. I said, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I love the guy, and I think he's done an
Speaker 2: exceptional job of becoming a multi dimensional player. He really
Speaker 2: throws the ball a lot better than he did in
Speaker 2: the past. And then but he's just this elite runner
Speaker 2: as well. And so I like his game. I like
Speaker 2: it a lot. And he'll just keep playing, you know,
Speaker 2: he'll eventually get this off his back, and and who
Speaker 2: he's a great talent. I don't know why people are
Speaker 2: ragging on him.
Speaker 1: Scott as a Jets fan, I'd trade the Statue of
Speaker 1: Liberty for Lamar Jackson. Kidding me, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what that would do for the Ravens. But no, to
Speaker 1: your point, yeah, like you take him on your team
Speaker 1: every time. All right, let's move over now. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Chiefs Texans. The narrative
Speaker 1: seems to be after a really strong rookie season, c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud has kind of come back down to earth. Is
Speaker 1: that fair? Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean because he was, you know the same
Speaker 2: thing with Jaydan Daniels, you know. And I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: go back to what I said in the beginning, it's
Speaker 2: hard to win. I remember one of the first things
Speaker 2: that Dan Marino ever told me, and it just really
Speaker 2: stuck with me. He said, I went to the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl my second year. I had this unbelievable see you
Speaker 2: know throw. I mean he he sent this record back
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety ninety or nineteen eighty four, you know,
Speaker 2: just it was insane what he was doing throwing the
Speaker 2: football then, and and he and they just march through
Speaker 2: everyone go to the Super Bowl and they get trounced
Speaker 2: by the forty nine ers, but he goes, we thought
Speaker 2: we would be back to the super Bowl every year
Speaker 2: after that. Like I just I just and and and
Speaker 2: every every year he never ever got back again. And
Speaker 2: he was a tremendous player. And you know, I really
Speaker 2: like CJ. Stroud. I've liked him. When he played Utah
Speaker 2: in the Rose Bowl, I I just was very impressed
Speaker 2: with how he threw the ball and and uh and
Speaker 2: I just really liked it, like his game. But you know,
Speaker 2: every season is just it's it's its own thing. And
Speaker 2: and you can't live on what happened in the past.
Speaker 2: You have to find a way to uh evolve your game.
Speaker 2: Because coaches go, those coaches sit in those rooms, Spence,
Speaker 2: they sit in the ark for hours and they go,
Speaker 2: how do we beat this guy? What's his weakness? Where
Speaker 2: what can we do to just really mess with him?
Speaker 2: You know? And Bill Belichick is a master at all
Speaker 2: that stuff. And and until you can adjust your game
Speaker 2: and kind of figure it out and evolve, you know,
Speaker 2: and and things have to bounce, right, It's it's really hard.
Speaker 2: So I'm not down on CJ. Stroud, not surprised that
Speaker 2: this has happened. The NFL is cool. It's just it
Speaker 2: is a hard business to win and and and to
Speaker 2: be consistently good for a long period of time. It
Speaker 2: speaks volumes of a player and their ability and of
Speaker 2: course the team that they're on.
Speaker 1: We've got Conference Championship Sunday coming up, and at this
Speaker 1: point I'm not going to doubt Washington. Like I said,
Speaker 1: thirty three years since their last NFC Championship appearance. Philly's
Speaker 1: getting five and a half. As far as the spread goes,
Speaker 1: we don't really have an accurate forecast, but it's Philadelphia
Speaker 1: in January, so I'm sure it won't be awesome. Like
Speaker 1: I said, it's hard to pick against him. Do you
Speaker 1: think a magical run continues or do you like Philly?
Speaker 2: Well? What Here's one of the things that's really good
Speaker 2: about Jayden Daniels and why he's having success is mechanically
Speaker 2: he's really sound. So his throwing motion holds up like
Speaker 2: in the pressure situations. Think of like a free throw shooter.
Speaker 2: You know you got someone with just a nice stroke
Speaker 2: and in pressure situations, you know it just doesn't crumble.
Speaker 2: But to get a guy who's kind of got bad
Speaker 2: form and it's just accentuated when he's at the line
Speaker 2: and even if there's more pressure on So so that
Speaker 2: mechanically sound motion allows for him to be pretty consistent
Speaker 2: throwing the football and especially in pressure situations. I'm just
Speaker 2: telling you, he's just got a demeanor, he's got a mindset.
Speaker 2: It would be hard to bet against him. But folks,
Speaker 2: you know, these two teams have played each other twice
Speaker 2: this year. This will be the third time. So he's
Speaker 2: not going to be unfamiliar. You're to the to the
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagles, and and and vice versa. You know, these
Speaker 2: teams know each other well, and they're they're gonna know
Speaker 2: probably better than anyone, how to prepare for and how
Speaker 2: to eliminate, you know, some of these successes or comfort
Speaker 2: you know, plays that he's had, and so so it's
Speaker 2: it's a tough thing. It's really hard to predict things
Speaker 2: when you played each other, you know, two or three
Speaker 2: times in a year.
Speaker 1: And then the afternoon game, of course, everyone's going to
Speaker 1: be talking about this for the second straight year. We're
Speaker 1: going to see the Bills and the Chiefs and Arrowhead
Speaker 1: and the winner will advance to the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, Scott. I'll see to you because
Speaker 1: you played and you're the expert here. It just feels
Speaker 1: like it's Josh's time to me, but I could be
Speaker 1: wrong because Kansas City just finds a way to figure
Speaker 1: it out week in and week out. But who do
Speaker 1: you like in the afternoon until at Arrowhead?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's so it's so hard because I
Speaker 2: feel like Kansas City has been living on borrow time
Speaker 2: all this year. And there are kind of some there's
Speaker 2: a statement or a thought process where it takes a
Speaker 2: little bit more time to win before you should and
Speaker 2: then you win a little bit after you shouldn't, just
Speaker 2: because you're so experienced and you're just so savvy as
Speaker 2: a team. And that kind of feels like where Kansas
Speaker 2: City is right now. They feel like they're an injury
Speaker 2: or just a bump and the bruise away from kind
Speaker 2: of falling off the cliff. It's hard. No one's ever
Speaker 2: like won three super Bowls in a row, which tells
Speaker 2: you how hard that is. So I kind of tend
Speaker 2: to agree with you. I just I just feel like
Speaker 2: this is Josh Josh Allen's year. He's a guy that's
Speaker 2: evolved and learned how to win and learned how to
Speaker 2: kind of modify his game and and and manage you know,
Speaker 2: kind of how much and when he runs, which is
Speaker 2: I think a good thing because I think he's relatively
Speaker 2: healthy at this time of year, and and he's a
Speaker 2: guy that's you know, not uncomfortable going into that environment.
Speaker 2: He's been there before and and played well and so
Speaker 2: and I don't think the Buffalo Bills are unfamiliar with
Speaker 2: that environment either. But I you know, it feels like
Speaker 2: it's his year. But man, don't don't don't count out
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong there all right before I set you
Speaker 1: lose National Championship. College Football National Championship. It's on our
Speaker 1: radio station. He kicks off in exactly one hour. At
Speaker 1: eight minutes, Ohio State is getting nine points. Scott can
Speaker 1: notre Day make this a fair fight.
Speaker 2: I don't really think so. Personally. I think Ohio State
Speaker 2: is clearly the better team. I think they're a team
Speaker 2: that's ready to win.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think they're they're they have more talent just across
Speaker 2: the board as as a team, both on offense and defense.
Speaker 2: And I think I think winning and having a playoff
Speaker 2: format like this has kind of been a good thing
Speaker 2: for Ryan Day where he doesn't have the pressure of
Speaker 2: winning the Big Twelve championship and so having an expanded
Speaker 2: playoff I think gave them a little bit of a mulligan,
Speaker 2: you know, because you and I think playing it appeared
Speaker 2: the teams that played more and didn't have to buy
Speaker 2: actually did better in the playoffs. And that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it's going to be that way. I think every year
Speaker 2: it will be different. But I love the playoff format.
Speaker 2: I love you know what it's brought to the table,
Speaker 2: and I'm actually glad these two teams are playing. But
Speaker 2: I just I think Ohio State is the better team.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Scott. Thank you for your time today, buddy,
Speaker 1: have a great week, enjoy the game tonight, and then
Speaker 1: hopefully you can get you soon.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, look forward to it. Thanks bitch.
Speaker 1: All right, Scott Mitching, one of the best to ever
Speaker 1: do it at the University of Utah, played in the
Speaker 1: NFL for the Detroit Lions and some other teams as well.
Speaker 1: Appreciated time.
Speaker 12: All right.
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Speaker 1: We have the college Football National Championship game on our
Speaker 1: radio station between Ohio States and Notre Dame. Let's bring
Speaker 1: it in our next guest, because I have misbehaved with
Speaker 1: the clock and I hate to keep him waiting. Pleasure
Speaker 1: to spend some time with Rick new Heisel last week
Speaker 1: here in Park City, and Rick joins us now on
Speaker 1: a Monday Rick, Happy Monday, sir, How are you?
Speaker 11: I am fantastic Spence. How you doing man? And that
Speaker 11: was that song that you brought me back with? Is
Speaker 11: that just trying to explain to the listeners how old
Speaker 11: I am?
Speaker 2: What the heck you doing? You know?
Speaker 1: I hate to blame my producer, but porter decided to
Speaker 1: play it must just been the California Ties. It's a
Speaker 1: wonderful song, Rick, is it not?
Speaker 11: It's a great song. It was written in the sixties,
Speaker 11: performed in the sixties, and so am I a video
Speaker 11: product of the sixties.
Speaker 2: So there you have it?
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough? Well, I wanted to bring some of
Speaker 1: the because I thought it was so fascinating listening to
Speaker 1: you discuss the future of college football last week during
Speaker 1: the daunt List Capital event that we did, and people
Speaker 1: really enjoyed what you had to say, and I actually
Speaker 1: it kind of gave me some hope, so I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring that conversation on air. We're, of course, in
Speaker 1: saul Lake City, where the home of the University of
Speaker 1: Utah Brigham Young plays their college ball about forty forty
Speaker 1: five miles away, and the hypothetical I kind of posed
Speaker 1: to you. I indicated it felt like we're headed towards
Speaker 1: a pro model, and you kind of pushed back a
Speaker 1: little bit on that, and I thought your answer was
Speaker 1: well thought out and very well articulated. So for our listeners,
Speaker 1: who of course didn't have a chance to hear it,
Speaker 1: the Rick new heisil take on the future of college
Speaker 1: football and specifically where you think Utah and BYU could
Speaker 1: fit in well.
Speaker 11: Currently, if you subscribe to the theory that, as the
Speaker 11: old man said to his son one day, the answers money,
Speaker 11: Now what was the question? If you subscribe to that theory,
Speaker 11: then we are headed to super late and that is
Speaker 11: going to be incredibly successful. And there's going to be
Speaker 11: a little bit of a kind of a gumball rally
Speaker 11: as to which teams make the field and how big
Speaker 11: the field actually is.
Speaker 2: Is it the SEC and the Big ten?
Speaker 11: Are they going to take some you know, folks from
Speaker 11: the Big twelve and the ACC that are currently positioned well.
Speaker 11: And really, if you choose to do that, which the
Speaker 11: big money people might very well and the television executives
Speaker 11: might very well, you're basically just saying it's it's all
Speaker 11: a product of timing, right. Stanford ten years ago would
Speaker 11: have been in the Big ten, but ten ten years
Speaker 11: later after they didn't, you know, keep up with the
Speaker 11: Joneses with admissions. They're now in the ACC. Utah given
Speaker 11: their amazing rise from Mountain West to Pac twelve now
Speaker 11: to the Big twelve. And I know it was an
Speaker 11: off year for the Utes given the injuries, but Utah
Speaker 11: could very well be on the right side of the line,
Speaker 11: as could be why you've given a ten win season.
Speaker 11: So these are things.
Speaker 2: But why would we do that?
Speaker 11: Why would we, you know, limit the amount of opportunities
Speaker 11: that were providing young people. Remember that only three percent
Speaker 11: of these kids and that's a high number, are going
Speaker 11: to get a chance to play professionally. So why would
Speaker 11: we do that? Why would we limit educational opportunities? I
Speaker 11: would offer that we can keep everybody. There's currently one
Speaker 11: hundred and thirty three teams in Division one, we can
Speaker 11: keep everybody. What we have to do is make the
Speaker 11: smaller leagues, those who aren't as attractive as television attractive.
Speaker 11: And the way you do that is you borrow the
Speaker 11: European soccer model of promotion relegation, So you get these
Speaker 11: smaller conferences able to win their way into the big conferences,
Speaker 11: and the big conference seller dwellers who are just raking
Speaker 11: money off the top, they have to go to the
Speaker 11: other leagues and earn their way back. And I think
Speaker 11: we'll get a competitive model. We'll have way more popular
Speaker 11: television inventory, and my fingers across, that'll be the choice
Speaker 11: because that will keep as many scholarships as is possible,
Speaker 11: which is exactly what the whole enterprise was created for.
Speaker 1: And I love your anecdote about you being a walk
Speaker 1: on and ultimately needing to kind of maintain the space
Speaker 1: for people to have the same experience you did.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Rick du Heisel doesn't exist in the future. I mean,
Speaker 11: he doesn't get to play at UCLA. He can find
Speaker 11: his way to Division two and so forth. But to
Speaker 11: get a chance to run out on the field and
Speaker 11: see that rose in the center of it, and to
Speaker 11: be the you know, the MVP of a Rose Bowl
Speaker 11: doesn't happen. That's not fair. There are guys out there
Speaker 11: that deserve that chance, that have worked their tails off,
Speaker 11: and I got my fingers crossed that we'll do the
Speaker 11: right thing. And the leaders, more importantly, the leaders of
Speaker 11: college football who are going to be offered extravagant sums
Speaker 11: of money, will be willing to say, listen, let's push
Speaker 11: a little of that back in the table and remember
Speaker 11: who this is really poor.
Speaker 1: So perhaps the role of private equity and venture capitalist
Speaker 1: funds in college football isn't as topical or interesting to
Speaker 1: certain listeners as it is to me. But I find
Speaker 1: it fascinating that we could be moving into a space, rick,
Speaker 1: as you know, where college football teams at some point,
Speaker 1: And we're seeing this a little bit because college football
Speaker 1: teams have general managers, some of them have cap experts
Speaker 1: and a ton of lawyers to make sure they're following
Speaker 1: the rules. But ownership structures could potentially eventually look like
Speaker 1: the NFL. Do you feel like that's also becoming closer
Speaker 1: and closer to a reality.
Speaker 11: Well, in certainly the Big Twelve where Utah resides, and
Speaker 11: also the ACC, it's a reality because they're face right
Speaker 11: between the eyes with this proposition of the House Settlement,
Speaker 11: which is going to cost them some measure of twenty
Speaker 11: million dollars a year annually to pay their players.
Speaker 2: That's just going to happen.
Speaker 11: And if it doesn't happen, it's even worse news because we're.
Speaker 13: Going to lose that lawsuit.
Speaker 11: That number will be exponentially high higher and will lose programs. Again,
Speaker 11: the goal for me is preserve all the programs. So
Speaker 11: what has to happen is we have to keep looking
Speaker 11: at how we're going to provide the resources for the enterprise.
Speaker 11: We didn't look in the future. We kept breaking off
Speaker 11: the table even though the golden goose was even getting
Speaker 11: more gold and fatter. And at the end of the day,
Speaker 11: now the Supreme Court has realized that these are employees.
Speaker 11: These kids are working hard, and they're not getting enough
Speaker 11: of the proceeds. So now that they're going to we've
Speaker 11: got a restructure, and in restructuring, I hope that private
Speaker 11: equity will be included. And that doesn't make it bad,
Speaker 11: that doesn't make it professional. It just means that we're
Speaker 11: borrowing some money for a good return that will make
Speaker 11: this all make sense. And again, if you don't think
Speaker 11: of this through the eyes of how much am I
Speaker 11: going to make, but how many scholarships I'm going to retain?
Speaker 11: And I know that sounds Pollyanna will be better off
Speaker 11: for it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to move over to a conversation you and
Speaker 1: I had about the PAC twelve because when we got
Speaker 1: on the phone, you were good enough give me some time.
Speaker 1: We discussed you know what I perceived to be and look,
Speaker 1: I know it's yesterday's news, but I don't give a
Speaker 1: chance in view you on the show very often. And
Speaker 1: I'm still sad about it because as a student at
Speaker 1: the University of Utah in the late nineties, I understand
Speaker 1: how the PAC twelve changed, not just the athletic department
Speaker 1: but the school that I attended, and when it collapsed,
Speaker 1: I just I was pretty bummed out. And it's a
Speaker 1: new day, it's a new world Utahs on the the
Speaker 1: Big twelve. But you have kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: of a different take, and I don't want to speak
Speaker 1: for you, but potentially George Klaioff cough kind of falling
Speaker 1: on the sword and maybe a bit of an unfair way.
Speaker 1: Is that a fair way to to kind of articulate
Speaker 1: your your sentiment.
Speaker 11: I think it's too easy to point at the commissioners
Speaker 11: Larry Scott and George Klayoff Coff as the villains here.
Speaker 11: Maybe they made some four decisions, and retrospectively, I think
Speaker 11: they would both agree that they have. But at the
Speaker 11: end of the day, it was the president's of the
Speaker 11: PAC twelve that overvalued their worth, that overvalued what television
Speaker 11: was going to pay for them. The time zone on
Speaker 11: the West Coast isn't as valuable as the time zone
Speaker 11: on the East Coast, and because of it, they kept saying, well,
Speaker 11: we're worth the same as the Big ten, going back
Speaker 11: to the days when you know, the PAC twelve would
Speaker 11: kind of dominate the Rose Bull and how in the
Speaker 11: world are we going to take less money than the
Speaker 11: Big ten. They turned down a deal just the year
Speaker 11: previous that would have been the equal of the Big twelve,
Speaker 11: and did so because of their ego. And I think
Speaker 11: therein lies the problem, not really an educated understanding of
Speaker 11: what the economics were in television, and the presidents need
Speaker 11: to be held accountable for that.
Speaker 1: All right, before we get to tonight, now will be
Speaker 1: where we end. I wonder what the Rick new Heis
Speaker 1: will take is on the new expanded twelve team CFP
Speaker 1: now that we're about to see it culminate with its
Speaker 1: final game tonight.
Speaker 11: I love it. I love that we've shared the wealth
Speaker 11: in terms of opportunity. I love that Boise State was
Speaker 11: in it. Never mind that they didn't win, they played
Speaker 11: a big time game if they don't turn the ball over,
Speaker 11: And how many football games can we say that about.
Speaker 11: I love that SMU in year one, taking no money
Speaker 11: from the ACC for television, got in. They proved that,
Speaker 11: you know, exciting football can be played by teams that
Speaker 11: were in the last year were in a group of five.
Speaker 11: That's wonderful stuff. Indiana is a wonderful story. We talk
Speaker 11: all the time about the Cinderellas of college basketball and
Speaker 11: what makes the college basketball tournament so fun. That's exactly
Speaker 11: what we see. And when the scores were insided, everybody said, well,
Speaker 11: it's we were wrong to do it. Look at the
Speaker 11: NFL playoffs in Week one, they were one sided except
Speaker 11: for the Commander Tampa game.
Speaker 13: It's just the way it is.
Speaker 11: It doesn't always turn out to be, you know, a
Speaker 11: final minute finish, but at the end of the day.
Speaker 11: It was fantastic. It will absolutely keep the parody and
Speaker 11: recruiting from sea to shining sea. People will know they
Speaker 11: can get to the playoffs from any portion of the
Speaker 11: country and that's great news for the game of college football.
Speaker 1: So we move over to tonight with two blue bloods, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure the power broke person.
Speaker 11: I'm here in Atlanta. I'm here in Atlanta, and you know,
Speaker 11: my mom and dad are from the Midwest. Their names
Speaker 11: are Dick and Jane. I was this close to being
Speaker 11: a name spot, but I am in with a bunch
Speaker 11: of Dicks in James from all over the Midwest. They
Speaker 11: brought the Midwestern weather to Atlanta. It's about twenty five degrees.
Speaker 11: They were having the time of their life. It's like
Speaker 11: I'm watching a group of people that are at the
Speaker 11: Elks Club having Friday night fish fry. It is the
Speaker 11: greatest thing. And I am enjoying these two brands getting
Speaker 11: ready to go to battle.
Speaker 1: I love it. Do you have a feel for which
Speaker 1: fan base will be better represented tonight.
Speaker 11: I'm going to guess Ohio State's going to be probably
Speaker 11: sixty forty in the majority. A lot of red jerseys
Speaker 11: around here, a lot of excitement about their first national
Speaker 11: championship since twenty fourteen. They have the opportunity to be
Speaker 11: the first in the CFP to win the championship and
Speaker 11: the first in the twelve team format to win the championship,
Speaker 11: which is wonderful. Notre Dame's trying to get their first
Speaker 11: championship since nineteen eighty eight when Doctor lou was their coach.
Speaker 11: We'll see if they can get that done. If they
Speaker 11: can get the game to the fourth quarter, they're in it.
Speaker 11: But I'm picking the Buckeye, all right.
Speaker 1: My friend will since you're there and you're busy, we
Speaker 1: will set you and I will say a very big
Speaker 1: thank you for not just your time today but your
Speaker 1: participation last week. It was fun to see you, Okay.
Speaker 2: It was a blast.
Speaker 11: Your dad was a blast as well. Please giving my
Speaker 11: best and college football fans enjoy the evening. It's a
Speaker 11: great night for the game. The game always delivered.
Speaker 1: Yes, it does. The great Rick new Heisel played high
Speaker 1: level quarterback when he was playing his college ball at UCLA.
Speaker 1: Spent a little bit of time in the pros as well,
Speaker 1: probably better known as a coach at a very high
Speaker 1: level where he won a Rose Bowl spent time coaching
Speaker 1: at Colorado, spent time coaching at you dub where he
Speaker 1: won his Rose Bowl, was with the Ravens for three years,
Speaker 1: then took over at UCLA, and now he's doing the
Speaker 1: broadcast thing with CBS. So we appreciate his time. And
Speaker 1: we have the College Football National Championship coming your way
Speaker 1: in about forty minutes from right now, so stay tuned,
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Speaker 1: We have the College Football National Championship game coming up
Speaker 1: in just about twenty five minutes. From right now, we'll
Speaker 1: do a little pregame style then you'll hear kickoff between
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Notre Dame. It is the final game
Speaker 1: of the college football season. Obviously, the line has moved
Speaker 1: this time the way of Notre Dame. About thirty minutes ago,
Speaker 1: Ohio State was a nine point favorite, and then last
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes it has moved the way of Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Ohio State is now an eight point five point favorite
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Speaker 1: show today. Of course, we started things off with some
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Utah men's basketball team taking care of
Speaker 1: BYU on Saturday night at the Huntsman Center. I was
Speaker 1: in the building. It felt like the late nineties. It
Speaker 1: did for the first time in a long long time
Speaker 1: from my perspective. Seventy three seventy two was the score.
Speaker 1: There is Greig Smith and is running youtes. They've won
Speaker 1: three straight Big twelve basketball games, and they find themselves
Speaker 1: at three and three in conference play, which is good
Speaker 1: enough for a virtual tie now with Baylor, TCU and
Speaker 1: UF BYU falls to two and four. BYU has not
Speaker 1: won a road game this year. BYU is oh and
Speaker 1: five in quad one opportunities BYU is ozho and four
Speaker 1: in games decided by five points or less. Kevin Young's
Speaker 1: got a lot of talent on that roster. He's got
Speaker 1: he's got a proof he can coach, and that's the
Speaker 1: bottom line. So I want to remind you that Utah's
Speaker 1: game against Houston has been moved. It was originally set
Speaker 1: for tomorrow, and now it's going to be played Wednesday
Speaker 1: afternoon at four o'clock at the number seven ranked team
Speaker 1: in the country that is Houston, and they're really good.
Speaker 1: So our show is going to be a little bit
Speaker 1: short on that Wednesday afternoon. But the College Football Playoff
Speaker 1: National Championship is upon us, presented by AT and T
Speaker 1: joining US. Now, I thought we bring our guys Shot
Speaker 1: O'Connell on the Great o C. You can hear me
Speaker 1: in the middays to break this thing down on a
Speaker 1: Monday shot overtime duty on Monday. Hopefully you're getting a
Speaker 1: time and a half.
Speaker 13: Yeah, yes, yes, for these twenty two minutes or whatever.
Speaker 13: Going to be charging the company tive and a half
Speaker 13: for sure, So.
Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me. I know how you roll, So
Speaker 1: let's just right out of the gates. Can in your opinion,
Speaker 1: can the Fighting Irish make this a fair fight?
Speaker 13: Absolutely they can. I mean they didn't accidentally become the
Speaker 13: number two total defense in the country, the number two
Speaker 13: scoring defense in the country, and they got here because
Speaker 13: they've been able to get the offensive production necessary to
Speaker 13: get over some really, really good teams. Of course, that's
Speaker 13: also true of Ohio State, and the Fighting Irish have
Speaker 13: a tough test in front of them. If you go
Speaker 13: on paper, there's a reason that Ohio State by the
Speaker 13: end of my show, they were eight and a half
Speaker 13: point favorites. I don't know if the line has moved,
Speaker 13: but there's a reason for it still I think the
Speaker 13: Irish cover that and I think they have a good
Speaker 13: chance to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually moved up to nine at one point
Speaker 1: for Ohio State. In the last fifteen minutes has moved
Speaker 1: back towards the Irish, and Ohio State is an eight
Speaker 1: point five point favorite. And obviously Sean as you know,
Speaker 1: you know, Ohio States has been able to get out
Speaker 1: early on some really really good teams throughout the course
Speaker 1: of their run, you know, and if you're Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: you can't let this be a Tennessee or an Oregon
Speaker 1: track meet. Texas played them better, but there was a
Speaker 1: lot of self inflicted wounds on Ohio State's part. So
Speaker 1: how does in your estimation, how does Notre Dame stop
Speaker 1: Ohio State from starting the way they seem to have
Speaker 1: been able to start so far during this run.
Speaker 13: Well, this is the thing that I talked about a
Speaker 13: little bit on my show and Jeff Schwartz is a
Speaker 13: guest today and we talked about it. A reason he's
Speaker 13: skeptical of the Irish's ability to stop Ohio State because,
Speaker 13: just like Oregon, Notre Dame is a man defense team.
Speaker 13: In fact, they are the number one man defense team
Speaker 13: in the country. They played more man defense than anybody
Speaker 13: in all of college football, and obviously they've had good
Speaker 13: results with that so far. We've seen this watching Utah
Speaker 13: football for many years. Sometimes you do have to get
Speaker 13: away from quote unquote who you are in order to
Speaker 13: match up with incredibly athletic teams, in order to match
Speaker 13: up with the team that Scott I don't know, like
Speaker 13: three all American caliber wide receivers, whether they're going to
Speaker 13: be All Americans this year or in years to come,
Speaker 13: draft picks this year or in years to come. That's
Speaker 13: what Ohio State's got. I mean, we've seen that quoting
Speaker 13: personal at the Rose Bowl, and you've seen it on
Speaker 13: television of Ohio State even in New College Football playoffs.
Speaker 13: So I talked about it a lot on the show.
Speaker 13: If Notre Dames is not overly prideful and can say,
Speaker 13: you know what, we need to be able to integrate
Speaker 13: some zone concepts, We need to manufacture some pressures here,
Speaker 13: and we need to not leave our guys who've been
Speaker 13: so good on an island, but not leave them on
Speaker 13: an island against this wide receiver group. Then you've got
Speaker 13: a chance of confusing Will Howard, who's more prone to
Speaker 13: turnovers than people really give it credit for, and that
Speaker 13: would be an opportunity to win this game. If you
Speaker 13: lose the turnover margin, Ohio State's going to be here.
Speaker 13: You give them short fields, Ohio State's going to be here.
Speaker 13: If you give them huge chunks play and you let
Speaker 13: the freshman get out to you know, one hundred and
Speaker 13: fifteen hundred and one hundred and fifty yard game, then
Speaker 13: you're in big trouble. So that you've got to integrate
Speaker 13: some disguised coverages where it looks like you're giving them
Speaker 13: the man looks that they're a custom to seeing, and
Speaker 13: you're dropping people into his ownes and hopefully getting underneath
Speaker 13: the ball and maybe forcing an interception or a turnover some.
Speaker 2: Of the way.
Speaker 1: Ohio State Notre Dame about twenty minutes away from first
Speaker 1: kick from Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia. Game time
Speaker 1: weather is twenty five degrees. We had Rick neuheislan earlier
Speaker 1: who's down on site. He said, the crowd at this
Speaker 1: point is about sixty percent Ohio State forty percent. Note
Speaker 1: or Dame. I mean, these are two big time brands
Speaker 1: in college football. The Ohio State Buckeyes have not won
Speaker 1: a national championship in a decade. Notre Dame is looking
Speaker 1: for their first national championship in thirty six years. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the dynamic of playing this game show on
Speaker 1: Monday night as opposed to trying to go head to
Speaker 1: head with the NFL. And I'm not trying to call
Speaker 1: out any of our peers in sports media, college football media,
Speaker 1: but the same people that seem to complain about the
Speaker 1: dynamic of trying to go head to head against pro
Speaker 1: football now complaining that this game is being played on
Speaker 1: Monday night. What do you think of the dynamic? And
Speaker 1: you think college football should just try to go head
Speaker 1: to head against the NFL.
Speaker 13: I absolutely do not think you should go to try
Speaker 13: to go head to head against the NFL. Nobody's won
Speaker 13: that battle in American sports broadcasting, and at least the
Speaker 13: last twenty years, maybe going further back before I was
Speaker 13: really paying close attention to it. No, this is a
Speaker 13: great place for to be. You're after the divisional weekend
Speaker 13: in the NFL playoffs, and you've got Monday nights to yourself.
Speaker 13: I mean, Saturday night was a very very crowded sports calendar.
Speaker 13: You had NFL playoff games, You had a big UFC fight,
Speaker 13: you had a college basketball rival game, and at least
Speaker 13: one state to this one, right, So why try and
Speaker 13: go up against programming like that? Why don't ever try
Speaker 13: to go toe to toe with Roger Goodell?
Speaker 2: Carve out a little.
Speaker 13: Niche for yourself. Make it the same day every calendar
Speaker 13: year so that people can pencil it in and they
Speaker 13: know when it's going to be. And I don't know
Speaker 13: why people are worried about it. I suppose it's new
Speaker 13: territory for some college football players, but it's not like
Speaker 13: you're asking them to play on a Thursday or play
Speaker 13: on a Saturday and then turn around on short notice
Speaker 13: and play on the following Monday. You're giving them a
Speaker 13: couple extra days of preparations. So I've got no problem
Speaker 13: with the place this game is that. I actually think
Speaker 13: it's the perfect one. Caps off a wonderful weekend of
Speaker 13: football competition at the very very highest level, and it
Speaker 13: steers clear of the AFC NFC championship matchups and of
Speaker 13: course the Super Bowl, which you would never want to
Speaker 13: push the college season that late. And also you would
Speaker 13: never want to go up against anything like that.
Speaker 1: So the last time Notre Dame. One championship was nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight, they beat West Virginia and since then it's
Speaker 1: been a ride. It's been an up and down ride.
Speaker 1: Fighting Irish have averaged an AP top five finish about
Speaker 1: every six years. They almost won it in ninety three.
Speaker 1: They played in the BCS championship game in twenty twelve
Speaker 1: and in the CFP in twenty eighteen in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: but they lost their three semi final or title games
Speaker 1: in the twenty tens by an average score of thirty
Speaker 1: four to seven. They have been smoked in big games
Speaker 1: historically speaking. I know you said that you think they
Speaker 1: can make it a fair fight, and you kind of
Speaker 1: outline some reasons. Why let me ask you what you
Speaker 1: think is going to happen Sean, because most people really
Speaker 1: seem to be heavy on the Buckeyes even with this
Speaker 1: big line.
Speaker 13: Look, I think that ultimately Ohio State that my head says,
Speaker 13: Ohio State prepat with this game. My heart says, keep
Speaker 13: pushing for the Irish. I do think it's gonna be
Speaker 13: closer than a lot of people think. Marcus Free deserves
Speaker 13: credit for being the guy. There's been a lot of
Speaker 13: great coaches at Notre Day, and he is the guy
Speaker 13: who has got him to this place, got him over
Speaker 13: those semi final humps, got him into that. You know,
Speaker 13: the VCS or New Year six games, they lost like
Speaker 13: ten in a row and then finally shook that monthly
Speaker 13: off their back. Because of the culture he is instilled,
Speaker 13: because of the energy that he brings, because of the
Speaker 13: schematic adjustments that he is willing to make, and of
Speaker 13: course because of the players that he has brought in
Speaker 13: in this nil era, He's fully leveraging the status of
Speaker 13: Notre Dame and that university and that football community and
Speaker 13: what it actually means to be a member of the
Speaker 13: Fighting Irish. He's leveraged that to this level of success.
Speaker 13: Ohio State was a team that five weeks ago we
Speaker 13: were talking about being maybe the third best in their
Speaker 13: own conference. It's not like they're invulnerable. What Michigan did
Speaker 13: to them can be done again. Of course, what Northern
Speaker 13: Illinois did to the Fighting Irish could also be done again.
Speaker 13: So I think that I'm still gonna ride with the
Speaker 13: Fighting Irish. I'm going to say it's an overtime victory
Speaker 13: and then we're all happy. And this expanded college football playoffs.
Speaker 13: These twelve teams end in an epic instant classic games
Speaker 13: and everyone feels vindicated that this expanded format was a
Speaker 13: long time coming, and we find the guy.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ryan Day, because a lot of attention
Speaker 1: on this Wonderkins rising star, and deservedly so, Marcus Freeman.
Speaker 1: At the age of thirty nine, Ryan Day is about
Speaker 1: to finish his sixth season in Columbus and this will
Speaker 1: be another top four finish, which makes it for his
Speaker 1: six year. Win percentage is better than Jim Tressel's and
Speaker 1: its average SP plus percentage rating is better than Urban Meyers.
Speaker 1: But yet there seems to be this undercurrent of Ohio
Speaker 1: State fans that are still wondering whether or not this
Speaker 1: is the guy. Is that just a commentary on the
Speaker 1: lunacy of Buckeye football fans because they are so invested
Speaker 1: and involved, or are there legitimate things to criticize Ryan
Speaker 1: Day for besides losing to Michigan four times in a row.
Speaker 13: Okay, so there's just something when you look at the
Speaker 13: guy that's probably the excessively died just for men pitch
Speaker 13: black Beard that speaks the sub level of insecurity. And
Speaker 13: I think that people don't like that in a head coach.
Speaker 13: And look, there's this is actually something that we kind
Speaker 13: of joked about on my show with Weddell because I asked,
Speaker 13: if you know Brian Dave's the Bible head coach at
Speaker 13: the NFL level. He said, absolutely not. There's just something
Speaker 13: about that guy. He's not a leader of men. There's
Speaker 13: something you look at him and you just know that
Speaker 13: he can't master that kind of a locker room, right,
Speaker 13: And I kind of laughed about it, but then you know,
Speaker 13: I'll talk with him more off air about what he means.
Speaker 13: And he cited I think he actually sided on there too,
Speaker 13: but he cited the brawl, the flag, the flag planting situation,
Speaker 13: the fight that happened after the rivalry game, and how
Speaker 13: inactive and how passive he was, and how he didn't
Speaker 13: do anything the discipline his team or to get him
Speaker 13: out of there or to show leadership in that moment.
Speaker 13: And that might mean something, but at the end of
Speaker 13: the day, he's a great schematic mind and he's somebody
Speaker 13: that has his team in the position to win a
Speaker 13: national championship tonight. So any criticisms you have, you're really
Speaker 13: really midfiicted and you're really splitting hairs.
Speaker 1: I know you've talked about this on your show. For
Speaker 1: our listeners, tune into Sean show midday on the station
Speaker 1: eleven to two does a great, great job, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of bring your thoughts on the twelve
Speaker 1: team expanded CFP onto the afternoon drive space for listeners
Speaker 1: who haven't heard it now that it's about to culminate
Speaker 1: in a national championship game tonight. You like it, you
Speaker 1: don't like it? Adjustments, What are your thoughts?
Speaker 13: I really like it quite a bit. I think it's
Speaker 13: the ratings have proved that it has helped college football
Speaker 13: as a whole, not just the CFP and its games,
Speaker 13: but even the other bowl games got better ratings because
Speaker 13: everyone stays invested, stays involved, stays emotionally and intellectually dialed
Speaker 13: in the college football season, which is I mean, that's important.
Speaker 13: The whole country being involved instead of just the SEC
Speaker 13: or just a big ten is what college football is
Speaker 13: all about. I think the adjustment that needs to be made,
Speaker 13: and obviously will be made in very short order, is
Speaker 13: that the seating is just going to be, you know,
Speaker 13: one through twelve, the highest ranked teams, regardless of who
Speaker 13: wins a conference championship that automatic first round by for
Speaker 13: Boise State, for Arizona State. It's probably going to be
Speaker 13: a thing of the past, maybe even assume as twenty
Speaker 13: twenty five. But look, I would go for sixteen teams
Speaker 13: in this state. I could see it being a carbon
Speaker 13: copy of SDS playoffs sooner than later, because we have
Speaker 13: seen the money that comes with this, more people involved,
Speaker 13: more television setcom more revenue for everyone. And that's what
Speaker 13: these teams need right now. Because the nil era is
Speaker 13: not going away. It's more expensive to feel the competitive
Speaker 13: team than it ever was.
Speaker 1: Well said Sean, before I say you lose what comes
Speaker 1: our listener's way on eleven to two The Sean o'caddo
Speaker 1: Show coming up tomorrow on a Tuesday.
Speaker 13: Well, look, we're gonna do a lot of reaction to
Speaker 13: this national championship game. Obviously, we're going to take a
Speaker 13: deeper look at these AFC and NFC championship games that
Speaker 13: are coming, a little bit of utes basketball. We're just
Speaker 13: gonna have some fun on a Tuesday, and then we'll
Speaker 13: see what happens.
Speaker 1: All right, my friend, great to see. I'll see in
Speaker 1: studio tomorrow. Okay, all right, have a good one. Sean
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Speaker 1: tell you? Whats your heart tell you about this college
Speaker 1: football National Championship game that kicks off in the team
Speaker 1: minus nine minutes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Well, luckily we had a Notre Dame Faithful
Speaker 4: on the show to kind of give you the low down.
Speaker 4: And Shawn's right, this is a game that Ohio State
Speaker 4: should win, just based on the team that they have,
Speaker 4: the roster that they employ. I think that the main
Speaker 4: matchup that it'll post problems is on the outside, and
Speaker 4: that is not a hot take. Ohio State has the
Speaker 4: best wide receivers in the country by a large margin.
Speaker 4: That is the case, well several years. It seems to
Speaker 4: be the case. So if Notre Dame comes out and
Speaker 4: plays their man coverage and does their usual thing, I
Speaker 4: think it's going to be a real uphill battle for
Speaker 4: them trying to keep it close, trying to keep Ohio
Speaker 4: State from breaking it open. If they have something else
Speaker 4: in the work spence, if they have a wrinkle that
Speaker 4: they can throw at Ohio State and get that defense
Speaker 4: playing on their toes rather than their heels, I think
Speaker 4: Notre Dame has a chance, But it's gonna have to
Speaker 4: be in that recipe and it's gonna have to be
Speaker 4: a lower scoring game. Then we may we may be
Speaker 4: looking forward to so my head says Ohio State. But
Speaker 4: I do think if Notre Dame has any any sort
Speaker 4: of a wrinkle something you don't expect, that they can
Speaker 4: throw it to Ohio State. I think they got a
Speaker 4: shot at it, and I think they're the team that
Speaker 4: kind of is coming into this game with more momentum
Speaker 4: and more of a feeling of a national champion, although
Speaker 4: Ohio State is clearly the better roster.
Speaker 1: As the NBA does every year, they celebrated Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King Junior Day with a bevy of NBA action that's
Speaker 1: already in the books. The Jazz have not started their
Speaker 1: game that yet, though. There are two NBA games left
Speaker 1: Jazz and the Pelicans and then it's the Bulls and
Speaker 1: the Clippers. Utah Hockey Club welcomes in Winnipeg tonight BYU
Speaker 1: Basketball and action against Colorado tomorrow. Utah basketball has been moved,
Speaker 1: by the way, in case you missed that, from tomorrow
Speaker 1: to Wednesday, so Utah is on the road to take
Speaker 1: on Houston. Chicago Bears officially hired Ben Johnson today as
Speaker 1: their new head coach. That news came down a couple
Speaker 1: of hours ago, and it looks like it is official.
Speaker 1: So Caleb Williams gets a very bright offensive mind to
Speaker 1: hopefully usher him into a more successful sophomore campaign. All right, Porta,
Speaker 1: before we turn it over to the official coverage of
Speaker 1: the college football national Championship game presented by AT and T.
Speaker 1: Let's get a sponsor out there, Ohio State, Notre Dame
Speaker 1: comes your way? Next, what comes our listeners way? On
Speaker 1: a Tuesday edition of the show.
Speaker 4: On a Tuesday edition of The Drive, of course, will
Speaker 4: react to the college football National Championship.
Speaker 3: What you hear right here?
Speaker 4: We'll do all of that with Matt Brown, of course,
Speaker 4: of X points, we'll do it with Mike Sandford, junior,
Speaker 4: former college coach and guy with ties here locally, we'll
Speaker 4: do it with Roxy Bernstein. Maybe a little hoops talk
Speaker 4: with Roxy as well, of course, as he was on
Speaker 4: site for Utah and BYU. But on a Tuesday after
Speaker 4: the national title, we got to talk a little football
Speaker 4: with Roxy as well. And then after all that college
Speaker 4: football talk, Spence, we're gonna we're gonna switch gears a
Speaker 4: little bit. I've reached out to our friends at Wise
Speaker 4: guys and let them know. Anytime you got comedians rolling through,
Speaker 4: let's get him on the show. Let's get him on
Speaker 4: with Spence and Jim Jefferies is coming by next month.
Speaker 3: But he's gonna stop by the show tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Hell, yes, that'll be fun. As you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of stand up comedy and Jim's a very
Speaker 1: funny look forward to meeting him and we'll say goodnight
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