WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:02.960 All right, what's going on? It is drivetime. It's a 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:06.400 Monday afternoon, it's about five minutes past the hour of 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:10.080 two o'clock and it is cold. It is northeast cold. 4 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:13.039 It has hit you in your teeth cold today on 5 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:15.919 this Monday afternoon. But as it is every single day, 6 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:18.160 it's gonna have you long for the ride. Spence check. 7 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:21.559 It's beyond the mic Port Larson in our downtown Broadway 8 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:25.839 Media Studios producing the program today. We are out and about. 9 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:28.719 Would love to meet you and say hello. You can 10 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.640 enter to win some Utah men's basketball tickets the Red 11 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.560 Hot utah Ut Spinners at three straight. 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Hope you had a great weekend. 32 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.040 It was a jam pack sports weekend and I'll say 33 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:36.480 it continues tonight with the college Football Playoff National Championship game. 34 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:38.879 You can hear that game on our station and we're 35 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:40.560 gonna get you ready for that game with a number 36 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.480 of different great college football guest porter doing a great 37 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:46.359 job today booking the program. We got a great guest 38 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.120 list to cover college football, to cover the weekend that 39 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:54.120 was in the NFL as we have conference championships lined 40 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.120 up for the first time in thirty three years, the 41 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.280 Washington football team Commanders, previously the Redskins, whatever it is, 42 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:05.439 they are in the conference championship after upsetting the Detroit Lions. 43 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.680 That's kind of been the main topic on sports media today. 44 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:11.759 The Chiefs took care of the Texans and very Chiefs fashion, 45 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.919 two really good games. Yesterday saw the Eagles take care 46 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:19.000 of the Rams at home, and once again Lamar Jackson 47 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.199 taking a lot of heat today undeservedly so in my 48 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:25.039 opinion by the Buffalo Bills Mar Job. The University of 49 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.479 Utah men's basketball team picks up a massive win over BYU. 50 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.199 I was in the building. It felt like it did 51 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.759 back when I was in school there in the late 52 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:36.759 nineties from my advantage point for the first time in 53 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.919 a while. So some good buzz around this basketball team now. 54 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.000 And as Craig Smith said after the game, fans impact winning. 55 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.120 Your next opportunity will be coming up on the twenty 56 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:52.000 fifth of this month against Baylor, two home games after 57 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:54.719 the road trip against one of the best college basketball 58 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:58.199 teams in the country, Houston. And when you watch Houston play, 59 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:01.360 they have grown men paint playing for Kelvin Sampson. They're 60 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:04.560 the number seven team in the country. Baylor was upset 61 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:07.039 by tc over the weekend, so youtes will be at 62 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.520 Houston and then home against Baylor and Cincinnati before traveling 63 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:13.240 Oklahoma State. So some good buzz around the youths. There 64 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.120 are three and three in conference play. They're eleven and 65 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:18.439 six overall. They're tied with Baylor and TCU, as well 66 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:22.159 as UCF and conference just behind West Virginia, Kansas and 67 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:24.560 Texas Tech. BYU, on the other hand, we're gonna talk 68 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:26.879 about it today. They fall to two and four in 69 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:30.360 conference play and they have not won a quad one game. 70 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.719 They're owned five and quad one games. They're ozero and 71 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:35.680 five excuse me, oh and four in games decided by 72 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.599 five points or less. They have not won a game 73 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:41.919 on the road. So, as we've talked about, if you're 74 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:44.400 Kevin Young, you've got you've got the talent on paper, 75 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:48.120 you've got two first round NBA prospects on your roster, 76 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:50.080 You've you're paying these kids a lot of money. Now, 77 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:51.560 he got a prov can coach, and I thought he 78 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.639 was out coached by Craig Smith, who, in my opinion, 79 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:56.960 does not have the same type of talent on paper 80 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.840 as Kevin does. The BYU, so we'll get into that 81 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.400 on the show today, and obviously the College Football National 82 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:06.719 Championship tonight, presented by AT and T, it's Ohio State 83 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:09.520 and Notre Dame. The line has moved over the past 84 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:14.240 thirty minutes. Ohio State is now a nine point favorite 85 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.279 over the five nine ersh tonight. We will bring you 86 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.639 that game right when we say good night, a little 87 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.399 early about five thirty mountain time, and we're gonna preview 88 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:25.160 that game on the show. Today, the Utah Jazz played 89 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.360 the New Orleans Pelicans. I'm not sure how dal in 90 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.680 you are to Jazz basketball right now, but the Jazz 91 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.120 are ten and thirty, which at last check is last 92 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:37.720 in the Western Conference, the third worst record in the NBA. 93 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:40.800 And we know what time it is, so I'm sure 94 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.160 we'll get the injury report. Half the team's gonna be sitting. 95 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:46.040 The Pelicans have eleven wins on the season, the Jazz 96 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:49.279 have ten. So two bad teams. Go on, But happy 97 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.040 Martin Luther King Junior Day to U. The NBA celebrates 98 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:54.000 this day and has for a number of years by 99 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.000 playing a lot of games that started very early, namely 100 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.480 eleven o'clock mountain time. So we'll do some on the 101 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:02.680 program today. There is a ton to do. The Utah 102 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.959 Hockey Club picks up a win over the Saint Louis Blues. 103 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.360 RSL is on the pitch for a pre season to 104 00:05:08.399 --> 00:05:11.399 prepare for Cockey Cap and we are jam packed with 105 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:15.319 a really really good guest list on this Monday afternoon. 106 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:16.920 Good to have you with us. Our first guest right 107 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:18.240 out of the gates. So one of my favorites to 108 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.600 top college football with. His name is Spencer Hall, and 109 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:23.319 we'll get a preview of tonight's game. We'll get a 110 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:25.439 thought on the youths, thought on the Cougars Big twelve 111 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:29.079 football with Spencer. We'll do some NBA with Tom Haberstrow today. 112 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.720 Here's my NBA question out of the gates today, what 113 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.000 sort of impact like lowry marketing is awesome when he 114 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.000 plays a lot? What sort of impact does that on 115 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.680 star players when the organization has not allow them to 116 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.480 play in actual games. We'll do some big picture NBA 117 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.240 with Tom. Josh Furlong stops by from KSL. He covers 118 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:50.120 the University of Utah. He was in the building for 119 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.240 Utah's win over BYU. So we'll get Josh on the 120 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.920 show today, Scott Mitchell stops by, former Utah quarterback. We'll 121 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.639 do some utes. It's a big twelve and we'll preview 122 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:03.279 tonight's National championship game. And as a former quarterback of 123 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:07.079 the Detroit Lions, how's that fan base digesting a really 124 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.240 really difficult loss when they were a heavy favorite over Washington. 125 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:14.279 And then Rick new Heisel joins the program. Rick is 126 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.160 now with CBS as a college football analyst. He was 127 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.959 a high level quarterback in his college and a little 128 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.040 bit of pro pro day as well, but well known 129 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.079 as a head coach for Colorado. You dub coached in 130 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.680 the NFL for Baltimore as well, one of Rose Bull 131 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.199 as a coach. I am seed an event last week 132 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.160 in Park City where Rick was on our panel and 133 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:37.839 it was a lot of fun for our friends at 134 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.839 Donalis Capital. So we'll bring in Rick new Heiseel today 135 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.319 as well, so Spencer Hall, Tom Haberstrow, Josh for along, 136 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.519 Scott Mitchell, Rick new Heisel Mint what a show today 137 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.360 As we are live at the Warehouse, it is eighteen 138 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:51.839 twenty five South three hundred West. Come on by and 139 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.399 say hello and I would love to meet you. You 140 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.480 can enter to win Utah men's basketball tickets as they 141 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.720 get set to welcome in the Baylor Bear. Should be 142 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:03.639 a really good game coming up this week that is 143 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.480 going to be coming up on Saturday. That will be 144 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.639 Saturday at two thirty. So if you're looking for something 145 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:12.680 to do coming up on Saturday, come on by and 146 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:14.920 enter to win some tickets as Utah welcomes in the 147 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.279 Baylor Bears again. Eighteen twenty five South, three hundred West 148 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:22.079 on this Monday afternoon. So Spencer Hall, Tom Haberstrow, Josh 149 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:25.079 for Along, Scott Mitchell, Rick, Neuheisel Me, Spence checkets all 150 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.639 of you the great listeners, and back in the studio 151 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:32.360 producing the show today. As a young man named Porter Larson, Porter, 152 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.000 I know you're young, but I've got to say Saturday Night, 153 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:39.839 Huntsman Center, Utah BYU Basketball. If I blinked, I would 154 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.639 have felt like, you know, young Spence Check. Its bleached 155 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:47.600 blonde hair, pukashell necklace, possibly two collars popped. Was in 156 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:51.439 the student section watching Andre Miller and Britton Johnson play 157 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:52.360 high level basketball. 158 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:52.519 Man. 159 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:53.199 That was a lot of fun. 160 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.360 Ye, the environment was really good. 161 00:07:56.439 --> 00:08:01.560 Obviously, the rivalry game often brings up in the ante 162 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:06.199 when it comes to the environment, the atmosphere in the 163 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:08.680 John M. Huntsman Center, But that's a venue that the 164 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:15.040 history there, just the way that building is constructed. If 165 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:16.639 you get the people in the building, it's gonna be 166 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:18.839 fun and it's going to be loud, and it's going 167 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.839 to you know, have an effect on the basketball game. 168 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:22.519 And it did. 169 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:22.639 So. 170 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.800 I don't know that the basketball. 171 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.480 Necessarily lived up to some of the stuff that we 172 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:33.320 saw in the in the stands, but hey, Utah got 173 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:33.679 the W. 174 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:37.159 You talk, got the W. That's what matters. And we 175 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:37.759 go from there. 176 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.320 Grumpy producer porter on a Monday, are you trying to rain. 177 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:41.519 On our. 178 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:44.679 I'm just pointing it out. 179 00:08:44.720 --> 00:08:44.879 Man. 180 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:48.879 It was not exactly pretty basketball, but hey, an ugly 181 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:51.159 W is a is a W nonetheless, especially in a 182 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:51.759 rivalry game. 183 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:54.080 Yeah, and make a freaking free throw. I'm talking to 184 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:55.799 both teams. All right, we're gonna get into it. I've 185 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:57.759 got a great guest list today. Our first guest will 186 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.919 be Spencer Hall. It's talks and college football. But before 187 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.399 we get to Spencer Live today at the Warehouse is 188 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:04.960 where we're I come on, buy and say hi. At 189 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.399 eighteen twenty five South three hundred West here in downtown 190 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.440 Salt Lake City, Utah. It is time now for your 191 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:11.039 opening tip. 192 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:14.320 Welcome to the Drive with Spence Check. It's on Utah's 193 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:18.000 number one sports talk Now into the studio of ESPN 194 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.960 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 195 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:22.960 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 196 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.360 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 197 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:31.080 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred 198 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:32.440 south West, Temple. 199 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.799 So Saturday night at the Huntsman Center, University of Utah, 200 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.960 welcomed in Euyu for a rivalry, a holy war on 201 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:43.440 the hardwood, and I got to give a shout out 202 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:45.480 to our guy, Ken Palmeroy Ken Palm, who's going to 203 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:47.120 join the show, who's kind of a north star for 204 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:50.000 all of us who cover college basketball. He said, the 205 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.559 utes sorry one point favorite as far as his model goes. 206 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.000 And you know, when you dig into the data a 207 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:58.000 little bit further, you also said, this is basically a 208 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.320 tass up. Seventy three seventy two is your fine. So 209 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.399 Ken Palm was spot on. I was surprised and talked 210 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.440 about this last week that Vegas installed Utah as the 211 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:09.519 favorite over Byu. I mean, if you follow this stuff, 212 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:11.720 if you cover it, if you analyze it, nobody is 213 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:14.440 going to make a case that Utah has better personnel 214 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:18.960 than Byu. Byu has jegor Demon who had last check 215 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.919 on Jonathan Cavoni's mock draft is the number seven NBA 216 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:25.840 prospect in the country. Kennon Catching's who I don't see 217 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:27.480 it yet, man, Like we're going to get into it. 218 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.480 Canon's coming off the bench, played thirteen minutes, came in 219 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:33.279 and just jacked up a bunch of threes, went one 220 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.759 to five from three in thirteen minutes. I mean, he's young, 221 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:37.759 and you can see why the pro scouts like him. 222 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:41.159 He's long. But we're going to talk about where these 223 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:44.399 programs find themselves. But simply put, Utah doesn't have the 224 00:10:44.440 --> 00:10:48.200 talent on paper that Byu does. Now the interesting subplot here, 225 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.000 of course, Kai Bakada, who played last year at the 226 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.080 University of Utah, transfers to Brigham Young, makes himself a 227 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.039 nice amount of NIO money comes back up and you know, 228 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.519 two of seven four points nine boards, couple of assists, 229 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:01.799 three blocks. The numbers don't really tell you the effect 230 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.759 that Kaiba has on the game. He's really good, and 231 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:06.799 I thought Utah did a good job of bringing the 232 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:10.840 physicality the way of BUYU. So a couple of things here. 233 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:15.360 First of all, Ezra Saur really has burst on the scene, 234 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.559 and Craig talked about this after the game, that Ezra 235 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.200 has been dealing with some personal things. He left the 236 00:11:21.200 --> 00:11:23.080 team for a death in the family. Craig actually got 237 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.960 emotional in talking about Ezra, and he has kind of 238 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.559 been the impetus to what Utah has been able to do, 239 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:32.759 winning three straight Big Twelve Basketball games over Oklahoma State 240 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:36.120 at home, TCU on the road, TCU beat Baylor this weekend, 241 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:38.639 and then of course a massive win against BYU. Now, 242 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.720 this was a Quad two win for Utah, but it 243 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.159 was a Quad one opportunity for Brigham Young. They fall 244 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:48.519 to zero to five now in Quad one games. So obviously, 245 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:51.759 you know BYU is dealing with a lot of very 246 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.320 new dynamics and new roster, a new head coach, which 247 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.799 is just the reality of college sports right now. You're 248 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:00.879 gonna have a ton of changeover comes to your roster 249 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.000 year and in year out. But I really thought this 250 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.279 was a confidence booster for a team that not a 251 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.000 lot of people believe is going to do very much 252 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.039 this year, so we probably should just stop doing media polls. 253 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:14.039 Utah was picked last in the Big twelve in the 254 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:17.879 media poll, and look, I can't say I don't understand why. 255 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:20.440 A lot of question marks about the roster, a lot 256 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:22.440 of question marks about whether or not you know, they 257 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.879 have the talent to stack up with other Big twelve 258 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:27.799 teams that literally have two or three NBA guys each. 259 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.240 At least that's what it feels like when you watch 260 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:32.919 Houston play. Coming up, Utah is going to be on 261 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:38.399 the road taking on Houston. Houston has grown men like 262 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:41.240 big dudes that are physical, and this is going to 263 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:42.679 be a barn burner. It's going to be a fight. 264 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:44.440 But before we get on to what's next, let's talk 265 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:46.399 about what happened. First of all, I want to give 266 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:50.960 a shout out to Utah fans. Utah fans packed that 267 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:53.480 building on Saturday night in a way that truly I 268 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.639 have not seen potentially since I was a student there 269 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:59.080 in the late nineties. And there was BYU Blue, not 270 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:00.759 as much as I thought there was going to be. 271 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.279 And as we talked about last week, all of these 272 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:06.320 rumors of BYU fans snatching up the second market tickets 273 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:08.240 in the upper Bold and trying to come down low 274 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.480 because you'd fans don't show up oftentimes you have to 275 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.240 call it how it is. But that building was packed, 276 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:15.840 and you know, I can only approach it from my 277 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:19.320 own experience where I was sitting several Utah and BYU 278 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:23.039 fans sitting close together, and all I saw was civil 279 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.759 behavior from everybody. Does that mean that happened all over 280 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:29.200 the arena? Probably not, But ultimately I think that was 281 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.960 a good side plot. And Kevin Young actually talked about 282 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.720 it after the game. He said his kids felt like 283 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.080 they were walking into a UFC fight because they didn't 284 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.879 know to expect. But as far as the game flow goes, 285 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.600 so we saw. For I believe this is the second 286 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:46.279 straight game the same starting five and also interesting subplot. 287 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.840 It wasn't just Kavi Kaida. Jake Walleen was originally a 288 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.720 BYU commit. I want to give a Hunter Ericson a 289 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.480 ton of credit. Yes, he air bald won free throw. 290 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.240 Hunter Erickson BYU player originally came back up. And also 291 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:02.240 Caleb Lohner who transfer from BYU to Baylor and then 292 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:05.080 came to Utah to play football. Calebs put on a 293 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.279 tremendous amount. He looks like a football player playing basketball. 294 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.240 When he was a freshman back here at the University 295 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:12.919 of Utah, he did not look He looked like a 296 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:15.559 basketball player, didn't look like a football player. That's a 297 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:18.240 big boy man. He brings some physicality. Played nine minutes 298 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.960 for Craig. So you have Hunter Erickson, you have Caleb Lander, 299 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.639 you have Jake Walleen with Byutahs, you have k Bakata 300 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:28.919 who played for Utah last year. And yes, you know, 301 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:32.679 ultimately the conversation and my wish for all of you 302 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.080 is you find something to be as passionate about as 303 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:40.200 BYU fans are passionate about claiming the refs cost them games. Okay, 304 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:43.720 So the free throw disparity is something that has to 305 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.720 come into play, Okay. Utah shot thirty two free throws. 306 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:51.840 BYU shot ten. BYU made four of ten free throws, okay, 307 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:54.840 and then Utah seventeen of thirty two. It's like nobody 308 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.559 wanted to win the game. Now, a couple of things here, 309 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:00.600 Utah was the more physical team making the ball to 310 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.759 the basket. When you're more physical, either attacking the rack 311 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:06.960 or trying to go down low. And because BYU did 312 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:08.720 such a good job on Gabe, I want to give 313 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:10.480 BYU a lot of credit for the way they guarded 314 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:12.960 Gabe Mattson. Everybody's talking about Gabe was two of twelve 315 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.440 from the floor, one of eleven from three. He had 316 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:19.159 no space. They were blitzing him off every single screen. 317 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.360 They went with Mowatt mag on him. Originally actually thought 318 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.879 Richie Saunders would chase him around. Richie spent some minutes 319 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:27.360 on him, but every time Gabe came off the screen 320 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:29.519 b I was close enough to the floor you could 321 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.120 hear BYU players scream shooter, blitz him, bring two and 322 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.919 Gabe had no space. Now, ultimately because of how BYU 323 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:39.759 was playing Gabe Mattson, because as Utah goes, Gabe is 324 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:41.200 going to go this year for the most part, I 325 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.919 think Saturday is going to be an exception. But because 326 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:48.399 BYU was gapping him, blitzing him, sending two, Craig elected 327 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.919 to go download to lost and lovering a lot more 328 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:53.960 than I've seen him. And obviously, you know we've probably 329 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.799 gone too far without giving Ezra a so or even 330 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:59.759 more credit. So it was losson and Ezra in the 331 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.679 post and they were able to punish Byu and it 332 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:05.200 didn't matter who was guarding Ezra. In fact, the only 333 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:07.559 player who had a little bit of success was Kapa. 334 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.039 Kata actually played him pretty well, but they went with 335 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.679 Fus Treiori, who had a really, really nice game. He's 336 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.320 such a skilled big with great footwork and really good feet, 337 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.039 but he he couldn't do anything with Ezra, and Ezra 338 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.399 was giving up inches. I don't know how tall he is. 339 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:22.639 I mean as far as what he's listed at. I 340 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:25.320 think Ezra's listed at six 't eight. There's no way 341 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:28.360 he's like six ' five maybe, And he was giving 342 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:31.000 up a lot of inches to BYU's bigs, but they 343 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.399 couldn't do anything with his skill set, his ball fakes, 344 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:36.320 and his overall ability to finish around the rim. He 345 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.240 That game reminded me a lot of an old jazz 346 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.759 player named Adrian Daley who was probably six ' five, 347 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.720 couldn't jump over a piece of paper, but somehow had 348 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:49.200 the ability with shot fakes, head fakes, and footwork to 349 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.039 put up twenty eight thirty points every night. And Ezra 350 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:54.000 has really kind of been the main impetus over the 351 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:57.440 past few games for Utah's resurgence. He went for twenty 352 00:16:57.480 --> 00:17:01.639 one against Okay State. He was a little quiet against TCU. 353 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.640 He only had eight points, had six boards. But you know, 354 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:08.079 the twenty one points against Okay State was the season high. 355 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:10.720 The twenty six against BYU is now a season high. 356 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.519 And by the way, he had twenty four of his 357 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:15.559 twenty six in the second half, like they couldn't do 358 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:17.920 anything with him. But back to the fouls for a second, 359 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.119 You do realize BYU was an intentionally fouling lost and 360 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:25.079 lovering like over and over. So Utah more aggressive, BYU 361 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:27.039 playing the hack of loss, and I guess what is 362 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:30.599 what we'll call it. Were there some questionable calls? For sure. 363 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:32.559 I was close to the court so I could see. 364 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.960 There was also a horrible call that nearly gave BYU 365 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:39.160 the win on Jake Walleen. That was just atrocious. This 366 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:41.680 what to Porter's point, I mean, they didn't shoot well. 367 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:44.240 Neither team. BYU goes thirty eight percent from the floor, 368 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.799 Utah goes forty four. Both teams shot twenty six percent 369 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:50.920 from the three point line, and then Utah fifty three 370 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:53.759 percent from the free throw line and BYU forty percent 371 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.079 from the free throw line. BYU out rebounds everybody but 372 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.519 not Utah. Utah reb down to them forty seven, which 373 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.880 I thought was a massive key, and Utah really rebounded 374 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.200 as a team. While Lean had nine, Ezra had six, 375 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.920 Lawson had seven, and then Mike and gave both that four, 376 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:12.720 Keanu Doz came off the bench and Live in a 377 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.680 minutes had three, Like everybody came in and got boards 378 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.720 for Craig. And they played physical, they played hard, and 379 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:20.759 they stayed in it to the end. And yes they 380 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:22.559 needed a little bit of luck. And I'm not gonna 381 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.160 spend a lot of time on this, but I don't know. 382 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.359 I don't know why Kevin Jung plays Trevin Nell. I 383 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.039 have no idea in big moments, Like the only thing 384 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.680 he does is shoot it well as far as a 385 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.079 spot up shooter, he can. He moves pretty well without 386 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.039 the basketball and if he's open, he's a dead eye. 387 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:42.880 But he does not guard, he can't dribble, he can't 388 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.359 make plays, and he missed Like he goes to the 389 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.039 free throw line. I'm thinking it's done because the one thing, 390 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:50.559 like if Trevin Nell doesn't make free throws, you have 391 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.759 to pull a scholarship, like, that's why he's on your roster. 392 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.279 But of course you feel bad for the young kid 393 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:58.000 because I'm sure he's taking a lot of heat because 394 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.720 he could have won it with a couple of free throws. 395 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:03.720 I don't understand why Kevin doesn't just let Dallen be 396 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.039 the primary playmaker the entire time. He has big twelve experience, 397 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.200 and I just don't see right now Yegor Demin evolving 398 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:14.000 into this top ten prospect. You know, you can see 399 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:15.880 why pros like him because he's long and he can 400 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:18.079 see over defenses. But as of now, a top ten 401 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:21.240 NBA prospect is not something I'm seeing. So we'll get 402 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.000 back to this game coming up in a bit. Josh 403 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.000 Furlong was live at the game, and so we'll get 404 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.519 his take on it. It Coming up next, we're gonna 405 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.359 bring in Spencer Hall to do some college football. But 406 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.319 we're live today at the Warehouse eighteen twenty five South, 407 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.480 three hundred West and the manager here right, our guy, 408 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:39.200 the dal you're the manager, yes. 409 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:39.559 Sir, I am. 410 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:40.680 So you're like the big boss. 411 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:44.000 Well, let's let's call it that for a now week. Okay, okay, 412 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.119 so so far, so good. Let's let's call it that a. 413 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.799 Very important and very important guy. Well, thanks for stopping by, 414 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:49.480 thanks for having us. 415 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:51.000 First of all, of course, thank you, thank you guys 416 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.039 for being here so well. Appreciate you guys very much 417 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:53.640 for sure. 418 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:56.279 So what do you want our listeners to know about 419 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:57.839 what you have going on to the warehouse today? 420 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:01.119 Yes, of course, So we are the warehouse in Salic City. 421 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:03.599 This is the only one that we advertise for. 422 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:07.799 This is actually one of the originals warehouses here in 423 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.519 the on the Salac Valley again. Or address is gonna 424 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.240 be eighteen twenty five South, three hundred west. Our telephone 425 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.240 number is gonna be ezer one for six seven two two. 426 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:20.680 We have a little bit of everything. Let me tell you. 427 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:23.319 We can actually go ahead and have from from regular 428 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.519 twin size mattresses all the way to splitking side mattresses 429 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:29.680 with adjustable basis. 430 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.440 Quick fact, we are the lowest. 431 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.440 Price scenes that you will ever see on adjustable basis 432 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.799 and mattresses. There is nobody in town that would actually 433 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.480 try to even match or prices. 434 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.440 So just for a quick. 435 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.759 Sneak peek, let's go ahead and call this uh, we 436 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:53.759 are advertising today and for the rest of the week, 437 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:58.119 we have twin size mattresses that usually retail for twelve 438 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:01.400 hundred bucks. A twin size man usually retails for twelve 439 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:02.200 hundred bucks. 440 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:04.640 We have it right here at the warehouse. 441 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:09.759 For one ninety nine thousand dollars thousand dollars saving eight 442 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:14.359 inch memory foam jeling, fuel yelling fuel mattresses twelve hundred bucks. 443 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.240 If you try to buy this online, we have it 444 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:18.319 here in the store ready for you to take for 445 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:19.839 twelve hundred bucks. 446 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:21.839 Now that's that's not the only thing. 447 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.119 From today all the way till Friday, if you buy 448 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:30.000 a mattress from us, we will go ahead and give 449 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.720 you for free. We'll give you a free pillow. This 450 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:37.160 pillow you should retails for one hundred and twenty dollars, 451 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:42.759 so you're basically getting a deal worth thirteen hundred bucks. 452 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:46.400 Fore so wait, somebody can come in and use the 453 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.559 discount on the mattress and buy the mattress for one 454 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.720 hundred and ninety nine dollars, and you're still giving them 455 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:51.279 the free pillow. 456 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:52.960 Yes, sorry, as long as I say I heard this 457 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:55.480 on the radio, all right, go ahead and give them 458 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:56.319 that free pillow. 459 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:57.920 Free gift. 460 00:21:58.039 --> 00:21:59.920 As simple as that can I get a free pillow. 461 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.920 For US wars man? You will get one pillo not 462 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:02.480 a problem. 463 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:05.559 I actually I bought because my son needed a new mattress. 464 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:08.359 I bought a twin mattress a couple of a couple 465 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.359 of months ago, and it was not close to the 466 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.599 price that I wish I would have waited. 467 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:15.480 And even the quality, the quality is not going to 468 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:17.319 be something that we that we manufactured. 469 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.279 This is going to be top tier qualities. 470 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:21.559 So, I mean, we have a lot of people coming 471 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:24.079 from Park CD, coming from different counties used to come 472 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:26.119 and buy from us, and we do delivery and set 473 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:27.640 up as well. It's gonna be a little bit of 474 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.680 an extra fee, but we can definitely work something off. 475 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.200 Very nice. We're videll we're gonna talk again, but really 476 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:35.839 nice to pitch you. Okay, so come on by the warehouse. 477 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:37.759 I didn't realize they were doing that deal. In case 478 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:39.480 you missed it, let me reset it. A mattress the 479 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:41.920 typical costure close to thirteen hundred bucks is going for 480 00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:44.920 one ninety nine, and then a pillow, which is valued 481 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:46.920 at about one hundred and seventy dollars. They're given away 482 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.039 for free, so you can get a new mattress and 483 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:51.559 a free pillow for like two hundred bucks. As Vidal mentioned, 484 00:22:51.599 --> 00:22:53.799 they've got a little bit of a delivery fee, but 485 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:55.480 come on in and check it out and then he'll 486 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:57.039 he'll kind of catch you up. So we're at the 487 00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.279 warehouse today once again. Come on by and say. The 488 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.200 location is eighteen twenty five South three hundred west. ESPN 489 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:07.079 seven hundred. Van is right out front, so come on 490 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.920 buy and say HI, can't step on that music bed. 491 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:14.079 We just can't gotta let it go. It'd be a horrible, 492 00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:17.119 horrible move by me, extreme mouthfeasance if I stepped on that. 493 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:20.160 We're live today at the warehouse. Come on by. It's 494 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.400 eighteen twenty five South three hundred west. In case you 495 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:25.920 missed the ESPN seven hundred special, they're offering a twin 496 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.680 mattress that is typically thirteen hundred dollars for only one 497 00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:32.000 ninety nine, and you also get a pillow that is 498 00:23:32.119 --> 00:23:35.200 valued at one hundred and fifty bucks for free. Yep, 499 00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.039 that's right. It sounds too good to be true, but 500 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:39.519 it's not. Come on by the warehouse eighteen twenty five 501 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:42.920 South three hundred West here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 502 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:46.240 Our next guest enjoys himself a comfortable pillow. I would 503 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.880 imagine do a little college football now with why Buddy, 504 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.079 Spencer Hall, Spencer Happy Monday man? How you doing? 505 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.720 I am ready to do this because it's Monday. We 506 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:59.559 should have played this on Saturday. I know the NFL 507 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.000 got bit, but always feels weird ending a college football 508 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:04.799 season on a Monday. 509 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:09.559 The most important question though, firm pillow guy, Soft pillow guy. 510 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:11.319 How does Spencer Hull like to get asleep? 511 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.079 Firm firm? I got a big hit, so I need 512 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.400 a pillow. The fights back, the fights. 513 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:20.640 Back, that's so good. I'm the same way. I'm the 514 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:22.920 same way, all right. So let me follow up with 515 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:24.720 what you just said, because it does seem like and 516 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:27.200 you kind of alluded to it. You hear a lot 517 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.960 of people that cover college football say, well, you should 518 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:31.480 never go head to head with the NFL, and a 519 00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:33.440 lot of people now complaining that the game is played 520 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.319 on Monday night. Are you of the opinion that college 521 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:38.799 football should just play it Saturday night and go head 522 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:39.720 to head with the NFL. 523 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.119 I think it could, and I don't think it's a 524 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:47.039 great idea, but I don't. 525 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:49.519 Know if doing it the day night as. 526 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:54.359 A television product on its own is that much better. 527 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:58.839 I really don't. It's just it feels odd to me. 528 00:24:59.119 --> 00:25:01.319 And this is me fully admitting I don't think there 529 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:04.319 is a really good solution. Just the calendars jammed at 530 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:08.279 this point. Large football games matter a lot, but we 531 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.200 have a lot of time and a lot of breathing 532 00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.839 room in between when we decide in this game and 533 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.359 when we play it, and we might want to manage 534 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.720 that a little bit better. It feels very It feels 535 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.920 strung out too, and it feels a little thin to 536 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.799 be ending this on January twentieth. 537 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.079 I certainly agree with you there. Let's stay in the 538 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:31.240 space of what I'm calling diagnosing, not prognosticating, because it's 539 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.240 impossible to predict any of this stuff with a new 540 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:38.200 format and college football being what it is, an unpredictable beast. 541 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:41.599 But now that we have this twelve team expanded CFP 542 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.240 more or less behind us, do you like the new format? 543 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.960 Does it need adjusting? What's your take? 544 00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.480 I think it needs some adjustence because I do think 545 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.799 we need proper seeding. We didn't really have that because 546 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.000 we're still honoring conference championships, and this is a bit 547 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:01.200 of a zero sum game because I don't think there's 548 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:06.200 any way to properly see teams without necessarily discrediting or 549 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:09.680 devalueing conference championships. And I think that's a conflict that 550 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.759 they're going to have to resolve because if we automatically 551 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.839 give bys to conference champions and just necessarily because of 552 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:20.400 the way that the conference competition is set up, especially 553 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.720 now it's not your conferences, you're going to get some 554 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:25.480 weird results. You're going to get Boiser State and Arizona 555 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:29.319 State deservedly under the current format and getting by and 556 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:31.839 ending up in the second round, and really all Arizona 557 00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:33.880 State could live up to that, and I think that 558 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:36.640 was probably the high side of an overall trend where 559 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.519 if we continue to do that, I don't think you're 560 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:41.880 going to end up with as strong an initial badge 561 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.559 and competitionists as you might like. 562 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.079 As I've told you before, I always push back on 563 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:51.960 the whole like cheer for the conference that your team 564 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.759 is in thing because it's such a fleeting landing spot 565 00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:58.880 and could change. But I will ask you, did Arizona State, 566 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.680 with their performance against Texas, did that say anything about 567 00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.279 the quality of the Big Twelve overall or was that 568 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:10.799 just a commentary on Kenny Dillingham and Arizona State in 569 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.000 a vacuum. 570 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:16.880 I think it has to necessarily speak well of the 571 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.200 Big Twelve. I think Iowa State helped a lot with 572 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:23.680 that by beating Miami too. That in those two games, 573 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:27.079 the Big Twelve went up against prime competition or at 574 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:31.119 least very good competition in Miami's case, and beat them 575 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:35.200 straight up. And I think it speaks twelve that of 576 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:40.079 both in individually, of Arizona State, there was no team 577 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.720 that managed a bigger turnaround in terms of where they 578 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:46.000 were last year three and nine in the conference and 579 00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.279 came out on top and very nearly beat Texas and 580 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:51.920 took them into overtime in the College Football playoffs. So 581 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.319 I think I answer to that question is yes and yes, 582 00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:56.720 I'll say yes to both of them. 583 00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.799 All right, fair enough. I don't mean to ruin your Monday, 584 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.480 but I'm gonna ask you this question because last week, 585 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.160 I think it was last Monday, I sat down to 586 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:07.680 start my prep and I'm like, you know what I'm 587 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.759 gonna do today. I'm gonna do a segment on Big 588 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:15.319 Twelve football next year. That just started like digging into it, 589 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.640 and I have I have zero frame of reference, zero 590 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.240 idea at what the big you know, how the Big 591 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.920 twelve will play out, or what it's going to look like. 592 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.680 What's the Spencer hall Way too early January feel on 593 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:28.079 the Big twelve next year? 594 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.400 Wow, that is quite the assignment on the spur in 595 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.359 the moment. But I'm gonna roll with it. The most 596 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:42.240 bankable asset in the Big twelves portfolio going into the season. 597 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:43.759 One. 598 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.279 We cannot write off the champion and the four of 599 00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:50.599 Arizona State not possible. Now, I know cam Scataboo can't 600 00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.559 be replaced, but that's a program with a lot going 601 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.319 for it, a good young quarterback and Sam Levitt and 602 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.319 a roster that's only gonna, I think, get deeper, smarter, stronger, 603 00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:03.920 and faster. So the variety of ball they played and 604 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.160 how they manage what they had and their execution, it 605 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.599 was unparalleled in conference. Just below them, I'd have to 606 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:18.799 go Iowa eight just because you've got so much culture there, consistency. 607 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:21.079 They won't be as good. And I'm just saying that, 608 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.799 by the way, betting on regression to the mean, because 609 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:25.759 this is the first It was not just the first 610 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.400 ten win season, and I always say it history, it 611 00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.839 was the first eleven win season. So in over one 612 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.079 hundred years of playing the game, they're going to come 613 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.319 back a little bit, but they're still going to be good, 614 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.960 just because of the institutional consistency there. And then while 615 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.880 I'm thinking boring picks, Kansas State just seems to be 616 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:46.799 the team that, you know, if I had to bank 617 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:49.200 on somebody having eight or nine quality wins of the year, 618 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:50.880 they're right there. 619 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.279 So BYU fans out this way feel like they and 620 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.839 you know, I'm not even sure that they're entirely wrong. 621 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.720 And you know, the be think about college football. If 622 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:04.400 it's a four team CFP, we're going to debate who 623 00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:07.079 five through ten would be. If it's a twelve team, 624 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.160 we're going to debate who thirteen through sixteen would be 625 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.960 or whatever. And a lot of people think BYU had 626 00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.920 a case to maybe be included in this expanded twelve 627 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.559 team CFP. And the crazy thing Spencer is at the end, 628 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.160 like the final two or three iterations and rankings BYU 629 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.640 wasn't really even talked about. Now they lost two of 630 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:29.359 their final three and certainly timing is paramount, and that 631 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.599 Kansas loss at home where they only put up thirteen 632 00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.920 points will sting because they went toe to toe with 633 00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.119 ASU at their place and lost before kind of closing 634 00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:40.839 out against Houston, and then they route Colorado and the 635 00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.039 Alamo Bowl, which led to Reggie Bush saying, b YU 636 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:46.920 got a deal. Now that we're sitting here and again 637 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.359 diagnosing instead of prognosticating, do you think BYU fans have 638 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:51.240 a legitimate beef? 639 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:54.599 I think they do, especially with me, because I just 640 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.000 left them out of that entire potential Big twelve preview. 641 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.759 The sorry for that, you fan, that's a sincere apology. 642 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.279 You're like, oh, surely he'll just go ahead and be like, 643 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.400 you know, but no, there's no Bud here. Sorry about that. 644 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.519 Y'all are awesome, No, just all polities for me. 645 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:14.200 I would I would say this. 646 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.559 I think that that they just due to the way 647 00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.680 that the playoffs was set up, they were a victim 648 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:24.039 of recency bias. You know, losing games late isn't supposed 649 00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:28.920 to hurt when we're just considering the overall slate. It hurts. 650 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:29.480 It hurts. 651 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.559 It's because it's people picking the games, and they tend 652 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.160 to remember what they just saw, which again is I 653 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.079 and I Reggie Bush. All respect to Reggie, you know, 654 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:40.839 it's more about football than all of you know. He's 655 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.319 forgotten more about football than I'll ever know. But when 656 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:45.279 Reggie says that, you know, oh man, they got a 657 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:46.000 raw deal. 658 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.359 Well, it's because you just watched them woolf up on Colorado. 659 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.400 That's that's why you're an eye on it, you know. 660 00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:52.759 And that's fine. 661 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.319 But at the same time, we do tend to just 662 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:58.920 say what we just saw and not look at the 663 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.720 body of work as a whole, which again phenomenal, and 664 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.279 like I said in our earlier Big twelve preview BYU, 665 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.240 is right up there in terms of the top three 666 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:10.119 or four teams in the conference that has to be 667 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:11.119 considered a contender. 668 00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.279 Well played, sir, and since you are on the home 669 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.400 of the University of Utah, I'll take the opportunity to 670 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:21.240 ask you about the utes. Now forty one new players. 671 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.359 It's a fifty three percent roster turnover, and that's not 672 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.640 anything Kyle's ever done. It's the reality of the sport now, 673 00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.079 and so I have no feel for it. I don't 674 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.359 know much about any of these players. We interviewed Jason 675 00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.200 Beck last week, their new offensive coordinator. He's an impressive 676 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.039 guy and a lot of schools wanted him and he 677 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:42.599 lands at Utah. What's your Way too Early? The Spencer 678 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.839 Hall January take on Utah football year two in the 679 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:46.319 Big Twelve. 680 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.440 I'm really intrigued to see how they managed roster k 681 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.559 like that. I really do like that's it is not 682 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.000 just a relatively new thing for everybody. It is so 683 00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:04.079 new to a very pecific way of doing things, doing 684 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:09.759 things in Salt Lake that I'm really really intrigued by 685 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.240 what they might be able to do or not be 686 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.480 able to do with player development, because that's been one 687 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.680 thing You've ta has been so good at, is player 688 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.920 development and bringing them up and taking these guys and 689 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.759 really teaching them how to be college football players over 690 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.839 a span of years, not just one or two years. 691 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:32.599 So I am intrigued by that. I am also intrigued 692 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.759 by the kind of system that back is going to 693 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.079 bring because you know, not that Utah has ever been 694 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.279 backwards looking when it comes to offense, but I think 695 00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:46.200 things are shifting now towards leveling the playing field by 696 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.000 running the ball more and having a more involved run game. 697 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.599 So I'm really intrigued to see what they do with 698 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:53.640 that because I think that plays. 699 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:54.839 The roster thing. 700 00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.039 I don't know whether that's good or that. I have 701 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.079 no indication as to whether this coaching staff and that 702 00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.640 culture is going to handle it well. I do know 703 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.839 one thing that would be really cool if they stuck 704 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.320 with that run game, because I think that plays really 705 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.159 well into what Willingham has done with his best Utah teams. 706 00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.599 I am wildly impressed because I am the professor. You 707 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.400 shut up to class today ready to take a different test, 708 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.239 and I surprised you with a couple of questions and 709 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:24.480 you handled it very well. So let's move on, Spencer, 710 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:26.679 to the material that you have been studying, and that 711 00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:30.400 is the college football National Championship game that is tonight. 712 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.920 We'll have it on our radio station. Let's go team 713 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.320 by team, and then we'll get to the game. What 714 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:36.800 stands out most to you about the fighting Irish in 715 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.880 their run and Marcus Freeman at the age of thirty nine, 716 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.960 feels like this wonderkins rising star in college football. 717 00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:45.360 He is. 718 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.679 There's a number of things that I think could be 719 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.440 fascinating about this game, and I think it is one 720 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.440 that Notre Dame could lose by twenty and we still 721 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:57.199 wouldn't think any less of Marcus Freeman just because of 722 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:01.440 the monster talent machines that are Ohio State has managed 723 00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.119 to acquire at the price of around twenty million dollars 724 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:08.719 by most reports, something that my colleague Roger Sherman and 725 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.679 his newsletter said was a deal. And I fully agree, 726 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.719 twenty million dollars for that payroll in terms of recruiting athletes, 727 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.360 paying them and getting to the campus is nothing. I 728 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:21.440 think that is the model you're going to see, and 729 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.719 it's the model that everybody, including Notre Dame on the 730 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.159 other side, is going to have to establish as their benchmark. 731 00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.760 Another thing that's interesting to me is we've got a 732 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.559 national title camp, but with two quarterbacks and who were 733 00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.239 both transferst So in case you wonder whether we're here, 734 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.719 we're one hundred percent here. You have a coach who 735 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.400 was at Notre Dame I believe a season before he 736 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.079 became head coach and has gotten there relatively quickly. You 737 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:50.639 have a guy, Ryan Day, who could very well win 738 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.440 this game and then I don't know, take another job 739 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:57.119 that's like he might, you know, like vi All indications 740 00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.000 it's been an extremely stressful year for him, a season 741 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.639 that's something easy for his family. If there were an 742 00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:07.079 opportunity somewhere else in the NFL, you might be listening 743 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.559 to that, even if they want a title. This is 744 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.239 the era of the mercenary. And I think it's interesting 745 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.679 when we say that, Hey, a new luminarian Marcus Freeman. 746 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:20.159 You go, yeah, that's cool. No, we no longer assume, hey, 747 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.559 Notre Dame's got their guy for the next decade. Hardly 748 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:24.440 we say okay, well where's. 749 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.639 He going next? Yeah, and you know it started out 750 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.480 really rough that home loss to Marshall, and of course 751 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.159 this year, you know, questions early on. But let's go 752 00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.079 to the other side. And you know you reference Ryan Day. 753 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.519 Let me get excuse me, let me get your thoughts 754 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.400 on this. I mean, yes, you got to be in Michigan. 755 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.159 If you're the head coach of Ohio State and that 756 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:47.039 hasn't happened four straight you hear some people. Look, I 757 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.360 don't know. I mean, you'll you'll be good with this 758 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.199 because I don't really know who to trust here. But 759 00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.360 is he legitimately in danger of losing that job if 760 00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:55.360 they don't win tonight. 761 00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.480 No, not if they don't win tonight. But what you 762 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:03.559 I say you have seen is that that Ryan Day 763 00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.800 and that fan base, when they don't get along in 764 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.239 the best of times, it's bad and then at the 765 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:13.079 worst of times, it could be atrocious. So this to 766 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:18.440 me is an indication that I don't think no coach 767 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.039 is necessary to Ohio State. It's quite the other way around. 768 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.719 Ohio States has success with a number of different coaches. 769 00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.679 The team, the university, the institution, and the football program. 770 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:33.480 They make good coaches great, make great coaches into legends, 771 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:35.480 and I think that's the way they think of it accurately. 772 00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.719 And I also think that's the part that that we're 773 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.800 all aware of when we talk about Ryan Day. Now 774 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.840 that said, Ryan Day's teams right now, on paper, you know, 775 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.320 they're putting up better numbers than Urban Meyers best teams, 776 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:52.920 and they've managed this. This is an interesting an interesting 777 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.400 note about what you're looking at with Ohio State. At 778 00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.320 times it feels like Ohio State has played down to 779 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:03.199 their competition or played unusual slow brand of football this year, 780 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.360 especially given the talent they have. What you need to 781 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:10.039 know is that they've managed the number of snaps to 782 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.039 prepare for a long season, which is an exceptional job, 783 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:15.880 you know, when you think about it, like football is 784 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.880 a brutal, sometimes dangerous sport, and the fewer snaps that 785 00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:23.920 you can play if you know you're going thirteen, fourteen 786 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:25.000 to fifteen games. 787 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:26.239 Deep, the better. 788 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.920 And they've done that. I think their defensive coordinator said 789 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.400 they'd say over one hundred snaps over the course of 790 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.400 a season, which could be you know, two games worth 791 00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.840 of snaps when you add it all together. That to 792 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:40.440 me says somebody who could advertise his ability as somebody 793 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:44.239 who can manage a program beyond the college ranks. And 794 00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.039 you know, you say, okay, well, could he lose his job, 795 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:49.360 He could leave that job. I think that's far more 796 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.519 plausible to him losing that job, especially given what we've 797 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.679 seen out of both Notre Dame and Ohio State. It 798 00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.599 would be to me surprising if Notre Dame won this game, 799 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.679 but it would not be shocking shocking loss my costumes job, 800 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.960 especially near where he lost to Michigan. But overall, the 801 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.239 performance given what they put into this program and what 802 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.639 they've gotten out, especially in obliterating Oregon in Tennessee and 803 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.559 two of their three wins on the way to the 804 00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.199 title game. I think it speaks for itself. 805 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.000 Let me follow up, as you reference he might just leave, 806 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.960 and is that due to the day to day what 807 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.719 feels like heavy weight pressure with the Ohio State job. 808 00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:29.840 Would he take another college job? Would he look to 809 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:31.599 the look to go to the NFL. I mean, these 810 00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.719 are all hypotheticals, but what sort of job would cos 811 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:35.639 Ryan Day to jump? 812 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.960 I think I think it would be a pro job. 813 00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.639 I don't think there's any college job necessarily, like you've 814 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.800 already you've already hit the pinnacle of what you can 815 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.360 do in college if you're at Ohio State. So I 816 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.039 don't see that. If there were a pro job to 817 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.880 open up, I think that's what you would be looking at, 818 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:57.320 you know. And the Bears just took one of those 819 00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:02.119 real logical one off the board in hiring Ben Johnson 820 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:03.320 OC for the Lion. 821 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:06.800 Yes they did. All right, let's move over to the 822 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:11.000 actual game, and I'm I'm with you, Although when everybody 823 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.119 seems to be on one side, I tend to try 824 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.039 to push back a little bit. I don't know, though, 825 00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.039 I mean, Ohio State feels like the side here. They're 826 00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.199 a nine point favor. That line has moved a couple 827 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.599 of times towards the way of the Buckeyes. I guess 828 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.840 how I'll pose it is, how does how does Notre 829 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:28.559 Dame stop this from becoming the Tennessee track meet? You know, 830 00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.079 how does Notre Dame stop this becoming an Oregon boat race? 831 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.280 You know, to at least keep this thing close down 832 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:34.760 the stretch. 833 00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.079 It would help if they snapped the ball with one 834 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:41.559 second on the play clock. That'd probably be a really 835 00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.039 good decision on their part. The other thing that can 836 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.400 help them is they have a choice to make. Al 837 00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:49.239 Golden has done a lot in terms of playing and 838 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.440 defense as a defensive coordinator for Notre Dame. They're not 839 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.960 going to be able to do that. I don't think, 840 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:58.440 even though it has been their bread and butter, I 841 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.800 think they're going to have to bracket him. And by bracketing, 842 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.440 if you're listening to this, you go, ah, what do 843 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.119 you mean, Doublelin doublin? This is what Belichick would do 844 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.440 with best talent. He is defensive coordinator. Every time, you know, 845 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:11.559 it's hilarioustuff to him talking to Chad Johnson saying, hey man, 846 00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.840 you can take the day off eighty five because we're 847 00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:14.440 doubling you. 848 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:15.639 Chad Jofice. 849 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:19.079 No, because if we do w we do something like 850 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.199 Texas did, where we hold you to you know, we 851 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:26.960 hold you to one yard or one reception for three yards. 852 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.480 That's what they're capable of. Because you know what Jeremiah 853 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.320 Smith can do. Jeremiah Smith can crack open an entire 854 00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:36.360 defense by himself. You can't let that happen. So flow 855 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.920 pace double Jeremiah Smith. Hope you can live with the 856 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:41.840 damage that the rest of them can do and then 857 00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.960 affect the delivery system. You gotta affect Will Howard. Will 858 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:48.440 Howard is a good quarterback, sometimes great and even when 859 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.440 he's great though, like a lot of great quarterbacks, and 860 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.800 I think you saw this with the game between the 861 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.159 Bills and the Ravens. You had guys who, when they're 862 00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:58.880 playing on the very edge of capability, you can make 863 00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.079 some stupid looking turnovers even if you're a great player. 864 00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.199 That's what you knew Will Howard to do. You need 865 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.559 to affect him. You need to pressure him. That's hard 866 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:09.519 given some of the injuries on Notre Dame's defense, which 867 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.079 is yet another reason why you go, hey, I got 868 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.599 to tell you a lot of stories, and I got 869 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.039 to get you to believe a lot of things to 870 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.000 get you to a notre dame upset. I don't need 871 00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:20.960 you to believe a thing to believe that are to 872 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:22.840 get you to Ohio State wins this game. 873 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.840 One more thing, Spencer, and we're going to end the 874 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.199 way we started with a question that might not be 875 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.639 on the exam you anticipated, but you referenced Urban Meyer's 876 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.360 name earlier. And Urban was here for two years and 877 00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.920 really changed the directory of Utah football. And you know, 878 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:42.840 obviously what he did at Florida Ohio State cannot be discounted. 879 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:45.880 But at the very end, it wasn't just what happened 880 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.719 in Jacksonville. There were just some kind of salacious, not 881 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.440 great looks for him that kind of came out a 882 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.239 little bit. He it was announced last week he's you know, 883 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.679 he was adopted in the College Football Hall of Fame 884 00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.079 and again one of the in my opinion, as far 885 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.239 as results go, one of the greatest ever do it. 886 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.360 How will we look back on his tenure on both 887 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:09.199 college and pro football, as you know, as the conversation 888 00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:10.159 ages a bit. 889 00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:13.559 I think you look at him as one of the greats. 890 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:14.440 I think he was. 891 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.880 Especially generationally, he was one of the best. I think 892 00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:21.960 that the guy who did that is no longer there. 893 00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.400 I think if you've looked at somebody who is the 894 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:26.840 poster child for burnout, he's it. 895 00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:28.599 You know, he's. 896 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:32.119 Somebody for whom it's not a guy who you looked 897 00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:34.719 at and you thought you look like you're having fun. 898 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.079 At no point did any of that look like fun. 899 00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:40.800 So if you said, would urban Meyer come back for 900 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:42.559 the love of the game, I would say, I don't 901 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.239 know what you mean by love of the game. 902 00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:45.960 There does he need to get a. 903 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:47.679 Bunch of guys to beat a bunch of guys up? 904 00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:49.320 That seems to be the thing he. 905 00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:52.320 Enjoyed and he was really good at. But I don't 906 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.360 think he looked like somebody who ever said fun. And 907 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.280 I don't think he's physically or mentally the same guy 908 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.320 because of what he put himself through to get there. 909 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.719 And I'm just talking about the Florida job before he 910 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:09.880 ever gets to Ohio State or whatever Jackonville was. By 911 00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:11.840 the time he gets to Jacksonville, I don't think that's 912 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.000 the same person. So I think he'll be remembered as 913 00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.639 one of the greats. I think that he'll also all 914 00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:18.880 of the bad stuff and all of the scars will 915 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:22.119 be part of that legacy too, which is funny because 916 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.039 one of like in that sense he resembles somebody who 917 00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:26.800 was one of the first guys he ever worked for, 918 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.880 which is Lou Holt. I think that's a good comparison, 919 00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.239 except I think Meyer was better. And I like the 920 00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.920 records and the most notably the championship. 921 00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:39.239 Speak for that Spencer. Thanks for the time. I am 922 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.440 going to give you a passing grade in an A plus, 923 00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:44.119 even though I tricked you with some questions, and enjoy 924 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.960 the game tonight, man with chat soon. Okay, all right, 925 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.199 all right, we're live today at the Warehouse eighteen twenty 926 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.320 five South three hundred West. Come on by and say 927 00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:57.039 I centrally located in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. If 928 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.719 you're in the market for a mattress, a base, any 929 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.559 sort of betting or sofa, they're blowing out their inventory 930 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:06.360 and a lot of great deals. Eighteen twenty five South 931 00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.079 three hundred West. How about a free pillow? 932 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:09.119 Huh? 933 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:12.119 How about that? You'll bring in Josh Furlong. Today we 934 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.719 have Scott Mitchell, Rick Neuheisel, but do a little NBA 935 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.320 with one of my favorites on a Monday, Tom Haberstrow. 936 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:22.119 On this Monday afternoon, Tom, what's your pillow preference? What's 937 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.599 the pillow situation at the Haberstrow household. 938 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.639 I'm so glad you asked, because I am a couch 939 00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:29.400 pillow guy. 940 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.400 Wait, wait, wait, what exactly what does that look like? 941 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.800 When I sit on the couch and watch TV, I 942 00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:40.599 need a pillow in my lap? 943 00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.880 Oh uh? Is that just like an odd quirk or 944 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:48.639 is there a reason? 945 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:49.800 Now? 946 00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.639 I think in the Haberstow household growing up, whenever we 947 00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:55.840 watch baseball or basketball in the house wall, we s 948 00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:57.760 fought over the big pillow. 949 00:45:57.920 --> 00:45:59.679 It was this green, down. 950 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:05.599 Big pillow that was really heavy, and you would just 951 00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:11.119 kind of sit either Indian style or cross legged or whatever, 952 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:13.519 and then we would be able to have this weight 953 00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.679 in our stomach, on our belly, and it kind of 954 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:21.119 hid our insecurities about like you know, like when you 955 00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.719 sit on the couch and sometimes you feel kind of fat. 956 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.920 If you hold a pillow while you're watching TV, it 957 00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:31.800 just adds about thirty percent more satisfaction to whatever you're watching. 958 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:35.519 And so in bed I find myself doing the same thing. 959 00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.199 Where am I clutching a pillow, whether it's a body 960 00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.480 pillow or just a big, big monster pillow. I love 961 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.119 a hotel room when there's like an obscene amount of 962 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.800 pillows on the bed because that means one of them 963 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:50.000 I can hug like a bear. 964 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.840 Wow. Well, I should have expected a detailed breakdown from 965 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:55.719 you on that question, because that's what you do with 966 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.480 everything I ask you. So we'll move on because I'm 967 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.599 sure our listeners are not all that interested in our 968 00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:04.599 pillow preferences. But come on by the warehouse, all right, 969 00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:10.480 let's start with look at you, Tom, Bravo, sir bravo. 970 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:13.519 So let's start with the piece you wrote today, because 971 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:18.199 it's very topical and you know, unfortunately, after Buffalo beat Baltimore, 972 00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:20.280 you knew that the majority of the covers was going 973 00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:23.480 to be very anti Lamar, who's just awesome and really 974 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:26.599 really fun to watch. But the postseason is what it is, 975 00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.880 and a lot of people are drying the NBA parallel 976 00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:32.519 of James Harden. But you disagree, Tom, Let's unpack it. 977 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:34.519 Yeah. 978 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.159 To be fair, I'm not an NFL analyst, but what 979 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.480 I do well is I compare statistical resumes very well. 980 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:46.079 I do the research and I find whether a James 981 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.920 hard and comp makes any sense for a guy like 982 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.880 Lamar Jackson, and I think it's off base. I don't 983 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:55.159 think it makes any sense. Frankly, like we're measuring Lamar 984 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.960 Jackson against the guy won one MVP, whereas Lamar Jackson's 985 00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.719 about to win his third or has a chance to 986 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.519 win his third MVP in seven seasons. And so based 987 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:10.320 on that alone, I think it's unfair to Lamar Jackson 988 00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.960 to be comparing him to James Harden win by objective accolades, 989 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.599 and you know, statistically. 990 00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:18.840 Lamar is just better. 991 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:21.239 And so what we want to do is say, oh, 992 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.639 he's James Harden, because James Harden hasn't won a championship, 993 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.079 he hasn't led his team to the NBA finals, besides, 994 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.679 you know, being a part of that OKC team in 995 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:35.920 twenty twelve. The guy that makes the most sense statistically individually, 996 00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:41.880 team wise is not James Harden. It's Giannis Enatakoumpo. And 997 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.119 the reason is because and Jannis ended the Kompa before 998 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.440 he won his title. First seven seasons in the league, 999 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:49.880 he was three and five in the postseason in terms 1000 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:52.039 of playoff series one, he was three and five. 1001 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:54.119 That is the exact same. 1002 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.760 Record as Lamar Jackson in the postseason, three and five. 1003 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.239 They have the exact same number in their first seven 1004 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.559 seasons in the league of playoff appearances, they have the 1005 00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:08.320 same exact number of conference championship or conference final appearances 1006 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:14.599 and finals appearances. It's the exact same They're identical first 1007 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.920 seven years in the league. And so I think we 1008 00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.559 tend to look at Lamar Jackson as like, oh, he's 1009 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.199 never gonna win the big one, because you know, it's 1010 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.679 hard to look into the crystal ball and project what 1011 00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.039 he's going to be. But I think it's unfair to 1012 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.920 paint him as the next or as James Harden of 1013 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.679 the NFL, considering that he's way better than James Harden 1014 00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:38.199 ever was. I don't think James Harden was hands down 1015 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.760 considered the MVP in multiple years, and I think Lamar 1016 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.599 Jackson we could be looking at this a year from 1017 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.079 now in the same way we did with the Honest, 1018 00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:50.159 where in twenty twenty he was in many eyes, a 1019 00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.559 fraud that he was a regular season performer, back to 1020 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.599 back MVPs Defensive Player of the year in twenty twenty, 1021 00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.199 in the same year he won MVP and he lost 1022 00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.119 in the second round to the Miami Heat in five games. 1023 00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:03.320 And so I think when you look at the resume 1024 00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:05.880 both of these guys, it's like looking in the mirror. 1025 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.039 Lamar Jackson is Jannis and Jannis is Lamar Jackson. And 1026 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:11.360 I think a hear from now we could be talking 1027 00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:13.800 about Lamar Jackson. We were all wrong the last year 1028 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:15.199 and he finally won the big ones. 1029 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.239 That excuse me, that's interesting. And I did not know 1030 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.800 which name you were gonna drop, and I would not 1031 00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.760 have landed on you, honest, But I can understand ultimately 1032 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.719 the motivation. And you know, Lamar is too good to 1033 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:32.039 continue to have these postseason failures. I think at some 1034 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:34.679 point he's gonna break through. And the problem is the 1035 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.480 Chiefs have Mahomes and obviously Buffalo West Josh Allen, but 1036 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.280 we won't do NFL because that's not your bread and butter. 1037 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:44.320 And I am stretching to try to make one question 1038 00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.559 about the Utah Jazz somewhat interesting, Tom, And here's what 1039 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.760 it is. So we all know that Larry Markenen is 1040 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.920 really good and he's the one piece in my opinion, 1041 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.320 they have found after trading Gobert and Mitchell that is real. 1042 00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.960 I have questions about everybody else. Walker has certainly made 1043 00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:05.000 some strides this year, and I'm happy for him and 1044 00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.199 proud of him, for sure, But they're keeping Lowry out 1045 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:10.920 out of a lot of games, and we understand why. 1046 00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.920 And he's only playing incrementally here or there, and when 1047 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.119 he has played this year, the numbers have dipped. I 1048 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:21.079 just wonder, in your opinion, what sort of danger there is, 1049 00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.199 if any at all, when a team sits a star 1050 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.840 player a lot during the regular season, because you cannot 1051 00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:30.079 replicate a game no matter what you do. And obviously 1052 00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.239 Larry's practicing and he's staying in shape, and he's getting 1053 00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:35.079 shots up and all the things that he does. But 1054 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.920 is there some sort of potential pitfall or danger when 1055 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:41.000 a team decides that they're going to shelf one of 1056 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:44.000 their best players for a number of different games throughout 1057 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:44.800 the course of the season. 1058 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.920 Yeah, it's definitely a concern with any any NBA star 1059 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.199 is whether you can really basically take a year off 1060 00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:57.440 and get back to where you were beforehand beforehand, which 1061 00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:59.719 is an All Star caliber player. And the weird thing 1062 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.159 about Lowry market in this year is that when he's 1063 00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:07.840 on the floor, they're six and twenty five. When he's 1064 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.519 not playing, they're four and five. I mean, they're a 1065 00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:16.159 five hundred team without Lowry marketing, and then there's six 1066 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.719 and twenty five with him on the floor. And so 1067 00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:21.920 the idea is, hey, we can't really play market in 1068 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.679 if he's not one hundred percent. We want to make 1069 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:26.519 sure he doesn't get injured, we want to preserve him 1070 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.119 for the long haul. We got his long term view 1071 00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.400 in the future. That makes all the sense in the world. 1072 00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.880 But it is odd that his numbers have dipped and 1073 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:39.360 even when he does play, they're they're still not very good. 1074 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.239 And even when he doesn't play, they're actually on the hole. 1075 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.119 In a small sample size in nine games, they're four 1076 00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:49.199 and five. So I think when you look at whether 1077 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:50.920 the decision is to play him or not play him, 1078 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.360 I think you got to play him. I think they're 1079 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:57.360 not good enough to be very competitive on a nightly basis, 1080 00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:01.400 even with marketing, and this roster right now where John 1081 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:05.760 Collins has played one game since Christmas, and you're looking 1082 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.320 at a team that is playing the New Orleans Pelicans, 1083 00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:13.639 they just lost to the Hornets, they just lost to 1084 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.679 the Pelicans, and when they just beat the Brooklyn Nets 1085 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.360 in overtime, you're asking yourself like it does seem counterproductive 1086 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.400 in the whole ping pong ball mass. But you remember, 1087 00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:28.440 Utah still plays in the Western Conference, and whether they 1088 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.760 have Lowry markinin or not, they have the fourth hardest 1089 00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:35.159 schedule remaining in the NBA by virtue of being in 1090 00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.559 that Western Conference, and the team Washington that has the 1091 00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.639 worst record in the NBA, they have the twenty ninth 1092 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.320 hardest I mean easiest schedule because they play in the East. 1093 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.199 So they are potentially Utah just by being four and 1094 00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.679 a half games back of the Washington Wizards, just by 1095 00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:53.960 virtue of being in the Western Conference, they might pile 1096 00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:57.440 up some losses here, whether marketing plays or not, because 1097 00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.840 the Washington Wizards had a cupcake schedule going forward and 1098 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:02.360 the Toronto Raptors the same way. 1099 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.440 All right, since it is only a few weeks away, 1100 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.800 and it feels like every time I dial up a 1101 00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:14.599 trade deadline guide or prediction piece, the Jazz are mentioned, 1102 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:17.039 I have no idea whether or not they're going to 1103 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.000 be active, And we will revisit this Tom I apologize 1104 00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.320 every single time you join us prior to the trade deadline, 1105 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.039 But you're a guy that's in the know, You're a 1106 00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:27.239 guy that's plugged in hearing anything on the Jazz prior 1107 00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.480 to this February fifth NBA trade deadline. 1108 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:32.000 Well, I think the Nick. 1109 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:36.039 Richards trade is very interesting. The Charlotte Hornets traded their 1110 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:40.239 backup center Nick Richards to the Phoenix Suns for essentially 1111 00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:45.280 two second round picks. Very very interesting because I thought 1112 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.400 that he would get more than that. You look at 1113 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.000 a guy like John Collins, or you look at a 1114 00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:54.320 guy like Walker Kessler. If you're the Utah front office 1115 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:57.079 and looking at that Nick Richards deal, you're probably a 1116 00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.719 little scared. Because Nick Richards is a good play. He 1117 00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:05.039 showed that in his Phoenix Sun's debut, and they saved 1118 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.599 Phoenix like twenty million dollars in tax money, and they 1119 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:12.599 took on a cheaper contract. Nick Richards was making less 1120 00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:15.880 than Josh Akogi who went the other way to Charlotte, 1121 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.480 and Charlotte could only get two second round picks for 1122 00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:22.559 Nick Richards. So I'm a little worried for the market 1123 00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:26.440 value for Walker Kessler and John Collins based on that information. 1124 00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:29.119 I think it's more unlikely that they get a deal 1125 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.719 done based on that price tag, because I don't think 1126 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.159 Utah is looking to trade John Collins or Walker Kessler 1127 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:37.840 if they're not getting a first round pick, And based 1128 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:40.719 on that market value Nick Richards and that great contract 1129 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.079 that he's on for five million dollars this year a 1130 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.519 little more than that next year, I suspect that there's 1131 00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:51.119 a greater chance that they stay put in Utah then 1132 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:55.239 maybe a week ago. And you know, this is kind 1133 00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.679 of them. When you're a team that is selling at 1134 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.960 the trade deadline, it's not necessarily you sell it for 1135 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.599 the highest bidder. It's that you sell it for a 1136 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.960 price that you're willing to sell it at. And for 1137 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.639 a lot of these teams, they might be flaunting these 1138 00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.840 players and saying, yeah, they're available, but only if they 1139 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:16.679 need a certain asking price. And for you know, the 1140 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.960 Utah Jazz, I think that asking price, unfortunately might have 1141 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:24.599 to be pushed and squeezed downward because of that Nick 1142 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.480 Richards contract or that trade that the Phoenix Suns were 1143 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:29.519 able to get for him at a at a pretty 1144 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.639 pretty cheap number. So I'm a little surprised by that 1145 00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:35.679 and I do think Utah is going to be active 1146 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.679 in the trade market, whether they're going to be helping 1147 00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:42.880 to facilitate trades. We talked on the KOC Show last week, 1148 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.119 Kevin O'Connor and I we discussed about who would be 1149 00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:50.960 a better fit in Minnesota, Julius Randall or John Collins, 1150 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:52.559 and I think John Collins would be a much better 1151 00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:56.159 fit in Minnesota. But the tough thing about Minnesota is 1152 00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.199 they have to trade. They can't aggregate contracts because there 1153 00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:01.840 is second ap from team. So any team that trades 1154 00:57:01.960 --> 00:57:05.440 with Minnesota has to take on Julius Randall, and I'm 1155 00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:07.760 not so sure many teams are willing to do that 1156 00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:11.519 unless Minnesota is sending away a first round pick. They 1157 00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.239 do have Detroit. They have Detroit's first round pick this year, 1158 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:18.280 which actually becomes a little bit more valuable now that 1159 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:20.840 it's going to you know, not no longer be a 1160 00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.559 lottery protected though I'm wondering, can John Collins go to 1161 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:28.840 Minnesota they take on the Julius Randall contract, but do 1162 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.039 they get a first round pick from Minnesota to kind 1163 00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.800 of basically rid of themselves of the Julius Randall situation 1164 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.079 because it's not going well in Minnesota. 1165 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.199 So let's move over, excuse me, to other potential deals, 1166 00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:44.639 and let's move over to Jimmy Butler, who is back 1167 00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:48.320 playing for the Heat after that suspension, and it looked like, 1168 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:50.679 you know, Jimmy tried to come at the King and 1169 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.559 as they say, you best not miss and he may 1170 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.159 have because I talk to you about this, Tom when 1171 00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:58.000 the news broke, like he wants out. When you dig 1172 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:00.280 into the details and you look at, you know, the 1173 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:03.760 cap situation and the ramifications of making a deal depending 1174 00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.400 on what it is, it really just doesn't make sense 1175 00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:09.760 for Miami to move him, and so maybe they find 1176 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.719 a deal. I don't know. I did enjoy grumpy Eric 1177 00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:17.079 Spolstra after his first game, where you could my read 1178 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.440 on the Tom is that he's just over it, that 1179 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.440 he's kind of exhausted, and he just said, you know, 1180 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:25.119 essentially like I'm trying to win games and all I 1181 00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:26.920 can focus on are the guys that are here. And 1182 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:30.039 this is what Jimmy Butler does. It's what he's done everywhere. 1183 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:32.239 There's a little Chris paul Field where he just grades 1184 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.519 on dudes. Do you think they find a spot for 1185 00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.360 him prior to the trade deadlineer, is he with the 1186 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:37.639 Heat through the end of the year. 1187 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.039 Well, that player option is really interesting because you have 1188 00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.599 kind of a James Harden situation in Philly where James 1189 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:46.599 Harden was so fed up with Daryl Morey he was like, 1190 00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:50.480 I'm taking this player option and trade me. And it 1191 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.079 was kind of this standoff where Darryl Moore is like, 1192 00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.239 all right, fine, I'll try to find a taker for you, 1193 00:58:57.480 --> 00:58:59.840 and he ended up making a pretty good deal out 1194 00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:03.519 of that. And so you know, James Harden wanted out 1195 00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:05.719 of Philly. They couldn't get a deal over the summer, 1196 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.000 and so he picked up that player option and was 1197 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.360 just like, all right, now send me to the Clippers. 1198 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.800 And he did get the Clippers deal done. So maybe 1199 00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.320 that's the James Harden play here is Look, if you 1200 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.639 can't find the trade partner at the deadline, if the 1201 00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:21.960 only option is Phoenix and you're not taking the no 1202 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.800 trade clause, or you're not convincing Bradley Beal to wave 1203 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:27.719 the no trade clause, and the Miami Heat are not 1204 00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.079 going to take on that Bradley Beal contract, which has 1205 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.639 at least two more years left on it at fifty 1206 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.119 million plus. I can understand why the Miami Heat. 1207 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:35.920 Are like, dude, we tried. 1208 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:41.039 Unfortunately, Jimmy, the market isn't as bullish on your next 1209 00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:44.559 deal as you thought, and we're going to have to 1210 00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:46.920 play this a little bit longer. And so it might 1211 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.000 be that Jimmy Butler says, all right, fine, we'll take 1212 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.039 this into the summer. If you really want to play 1213 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:53.639 it that way, We'll take the summer. I'll pick up 1214 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:56.280 the player option, and we'll keep on going this next year. 1215 00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.840 I think ultimately they'll get a deal done the Miami Heat. 1216 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:03.599 I think the Phoenix Suns are going to be desperate 1217 01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.320 the fact that they are basically five hundred right now, 1218 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:09.800 they're a game above five hundred, and they're looking at 1219 01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:14.400 borderline playing team. They might miss the playan altogether. That 1220 01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:19.480 would be an absolute, massive, massive disaster for Phoenix Suns. 1221 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:21.719 With Matt Eshby in that four hundred million dollars payroll 1222 01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:24.559 this year. So I do think that if it comes 1223 01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.039 to the Phoenix Suns giving up that twenty thirty one 1224 01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:30.920 pick that they owe or that they have and they 1225 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.320 could trade in a deal, I think eventually that gets done. 1226 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.239 I think eventually the Phoenix Suns will look at the 1227 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.920 situation and say, whoever will take the Bradley deal, contact 1228 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.480 will sweeten it with this twenty thirty one pick and 1229 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:45.800 maybe even reroute it to the Miami Heat to get 1230 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.840 the deal done. But I do think that they're going 1231 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.559 to want Jimmy Butler enough that they're going to have 1232 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:52.559 to put all their chips in the middle because they 1233 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.920 cannot afford to miss the playoffs here. It's just a 1234 01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:58.199 matter of who is that third team or fourth team 1235 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:00.920 that facilitates the Bradley Buil deal. I know that I've 1236 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:03.880 talked about on this program that it makes some sense, 1237 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:06.679 not a lot, but some sense in Detroit because of 1238 01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:11.039 all the familial ties between the Phoenix Suns front office. 1239 01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:12.360 And the Detroit front office. 1240 01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:15.320 Don't sleep on the Detroit Pistons, who are right now 1241 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:18.679 in the ninth slot, five hundred ninth slot in the 1242 01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:20.679 Eastern Conference. And I do think that you're going to 1243 01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:24.199 see Detroit want to upgrade at the deadline to make 1244 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.880 sure that they solidify a really good season around Kate Cunningham, 1245 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:29.719 who's playing like an all star right now. 1246 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:33.719 Any other names slash teams you want to throw out 1247 01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:37.199 there that could be active and deals that actually are 1248 01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.239 are meaningful at as opposed to some of these throwaways 1249 01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:41.039 we may see. 1250 01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.400 Yeah, I think when you look at the Phoenix Suns, 1251 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:47.599 you see those reports about Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, 1252 01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:51.000 I mean I would love Devin Booker on the Houston 1253 01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.440 Rockets just in general as an NBA fan, I want 1254 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:55.960 to see the Houston Rockets team make a big push 1255 01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:59.000 this year because I think they're ready. Fred Van Vliet 1256 01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.719 great player, but I don't think he is the best 1257 01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.320 player on a championship team or close to it. And 1258 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:06.360 I think if you get a Devin Booker or Kevin Durant, 1259 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.880 that makes just the NBA a lot more exciting. But 1260 01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:12.000 you know, I never count out the. 1261 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:12.760 New York Knicks. 1262 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:16.280 The New York Knicks led by Leon Rose, led by 1263 01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:20.840 a front office power center from CIA Creative Arts Agency. 1264 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.119 Leon Rose's number one client was Devin Booker and Karl 1265 01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:29.000 Anthony Towns. Those were the jewels of his clientele. And 1266 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:32.039 he already got Karl Anthony Towns, and it might be 1267 01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:34.920 a better time before he adds Devin Booker to the 1268 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.599 New York Knicks. If he had his brothers, I'd imagine, 1269 01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:40.400 So it makes a lot of sense that the number 1270 01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:42.639 one CAAA client on the market or at least in 1271 01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:45.920 the NBA is Devin Booker, and basically the rest of 1272 01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.559 the roster, including Jalen Brudson and Tom Thibodeaux and more. 1273 01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:53.119 Why West all CAA guys, I would not count out 1274 01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:56.679 if it's not this trade deadline, the long play of 1275 01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:58.679 looking at the New York Knicks as a potential Devin 1276 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.440 Booker destination. I've written about that before on Yahoo Sports, 1277 01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:02.559 but it's just something. 1278 01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:03.000 To keep in mind. 1279 01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:06.239 Is as the Phoenix Suns teeter at five hundred and 1280 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:10.199 might miss the playoffs playing altogether, just keep an eye 1281 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:12.599 on what Kevin Durant and Devin Booker do as the 1282 01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:14.119 headline approaches. 1283 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.440 Last excuse me, last thing, Tim, I'll set you loose. 1284 01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:22.760 After this simple question, OKAC continues just to be incredibly impressive, 1285 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.320 and you look down the list of teams that could 1286 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:29.519 potentially compete and win four times and seven tries the 1287 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:31.880 simple question, I'll ask you, does it feel like OKAC 1288 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:35.360 is starting to separate themselves from the rest of the West, 1289 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:38.440 And if not, who's that team that keeps Mark Dagnall 1290 01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:39.159 up at night? 1291 01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:44.800 Well, let's be real. They are not even as good 1292 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.440 as they can be right now, okayc is another level. 1293 01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:51.000 I mean, that's the scary thing is chet Holmgren was 1294 01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.400 arguably their best player for the first ten games of 1295 01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:58.519 the season. What he did defensively both ways, spaces the floor, 1296 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:03.000 plays hard defense, the rim, can run a fast break, 1297 01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:06.119 can run your offense. That dude might be coming back 1298 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:09.519 in a few weeks, and so whatever hope you had 1299 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:13.039 of catching Okac goes out the window. If Chet Holmgreen 1300 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:16.719 comes back and they're full, full squad, like full squad, 1301 01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:18.920 no one's touching him. I don't think I don't think 1302 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:21.199 Cleveland is I don't think Boston is full squad. I 1303 01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:23.800 think Okay see runs through the NBA Finals in the 1304 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:26.679 same way that you know Golden State, you know, when 1305 01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:30.239 Steph Curry was, you know, turning the corner with under 1306 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:33.280 Steve Kerr, and just everyone in retrospect was like, oh yeah, 1307 01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:35.199 why did we not see? How do we not see 1308 01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:37.840 this coming? I think that's the Okac thunder this year. 1309 01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:42.159 They're blowing teams out this year by such a margin 1310 01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:44.039 that if it held for a full season, it would 1311 01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.360 be the greatest regular season by point differential in NBA history, 1312 01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:51.639 So I mean, it just seems inevitable to me. I 1313 01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:54.119 know that they didn't get even to the conference finals 1314 01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:57.159 last year, but I just think okay See is so 1315 01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.800 good on both ends of the floor, and if Homegren 1316 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:02.800 comes back, it's a rap. I'm sorry, Spence, it's a rap. 1317 01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.800 And that's why Utah it's smart to punt on this 1318 01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.079 season because I don't think. I don't think anyone's going 1319 01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.119 to be okay See this year in the Western Conference, 1320 01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:12.000 and Cooper Flag is on the other side of that, 1321 01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:14.719 and I think he's worth thanking for Sam. 1322 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:16.920 Where excuse me, where can people go find your work? 1323 01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.360 Tomdfinder dot com? Have that Lamar Jackson post right there, 1324 01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:24.360 and the New York Knicks post about how crazy the 1325 01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:27.519 minutes are under Tom Thibodeau for that starting five. It's 1326 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.760 historic what we're seeing from that starting five, and how 1327 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.440 many minutes TIDS is playing those guys. Yahoo Sports KOC 1328 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:37.079 show last week and the Big Number podcast and of 1329 01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:40.800 course Basketball Illuminati every Wednesday, the count the Dings Network. 1330 01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:43.239 All right, buddy, appreciate the Tom. Have a good week 1331 01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:43.880 with chat soon. 1332 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:45.639 You got Spence? 1333 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.760 All right, the great Tom havebers show Little NBA on 1334 01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:51.599 a Monday afternoon. We're going to bring in Josh Furlong. 1335 01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:54.559 Josh was in the building for Utah's went over BYU 1336 01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.159 all Right live today at the warehouse. Come on by 1337 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:01.039 and say hi. The address is eighteen twenty five South, 1338 01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:04.519 three hundred West. Phone numbers eight oh one, four sixty seven, 1339 01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:08.679 two two zero two. Sofas, mattresses, bases, you name it, 1340 01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:12.320 anything you need for your homed. They've slash prices and 1341 01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.000 I'm partially upset that I didn't know about this because 1342 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:16.440 I bought a bunch of stuff from my house a 1343 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:18.679 few months ago and spent way too much money apparently. 1344 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:20.800 So come on buy and say I. We'd love to 1345 01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:22.800 meet you and say hello. We are going to bring 1346 01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:25.440 in Scott Mitchell today to talk a little Utah football. 1347 01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:28.480 Then Rick newhis Will stops by for a preview of 1348 01:06:28.639 --> 01:06:31.599 tonight's college football National Championship. You can hear the game 1349 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:33.840 on our station. We're gonna say good night at five thirty, 1350 01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:36.280 but we'll do some mutes now with our buddy Josh 1351 01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:39.280 Furlong from KSL, who was in the building on Saturday 1352 01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.280 night to watch Utah beat BUYU. Josh Happy Monday, buddy, 1353 01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:44.000 how are we doing a little? 1354 01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:45.440 How are you spent well? 1355 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:48.880 I appreciate your time today. So let's start with the atmosphere. 1356 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.320 I got to say in in Craig said after the game, 1357 01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:55.079 you know, fans impact winning, and you know, I was 1358 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:57.400 a student there in the nineties, late nineties when the 1359 01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.039 head coach was a guy named rickman Jaris and I, 1360 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.360 I think Josh from my vantage point, that was the 1361 01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:04.320 first time I've been to a game that kind of 1362 01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:07.079 felt like the old days. So we'll get to the game. 1363 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:08.679 But what'd you make of what I perceived to be 1364 01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:11.360 a really fun atmosphere the Huntsman Center on Saturday night? 1365 01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:14.480 Yeah, I mean for Utah, that was one of the 1366 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:17.960 best crowds they've had in a long time. It was 1367 01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:19.880 you know a lot of people worry that BUAU fans 1368 01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:22.159 are going to come buy all the tickets because they 1369 01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:24.800 were expected to do well and everything that way, but 1370 01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:29.000 you know, krudos to the students that came up. I mean, 1371 01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:32.280 that was probably the biggest mus student section that I've 1372 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.800 seen in quite some time, probably dating back to maybe 1373 01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.280 those a's on the UCLA days, and Utah was pretty 1374 01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:38.119 competitive with them. 1375 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:39.159 But it was. 1376 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:41.960 It was just a good rock of environment, and I 1377 01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:44.480 think they really impacted the way that Utah was able 1378 01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:46.360 to play, And I mean, I think that's that's the 1379 01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:48.760 way it should be, right. Fans impact away winning and 1380 01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:52.679 giving momentum and everything, and sure the product on the 1381 01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:54.599 court has to kind of match that to an extent, 1382 01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:57.400 but I think they've really been able to blend that lately, 1383 01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.559 and you're starting to see maybe people buying in a 1384 01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:01.519 little bit more So. 1385 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:04.400 The question is how much of it had to do 1386 01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:07.320 with BYU being in town, how much of it had 1387 01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:10.159 to do with Utah winning a couple of straight games. 1388 01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.079 Was there something that was different about the promotion the 1389 01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.320 game ops? I mean, look, the bottom line is, as 1390 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:18.720 I've talked about for years, to give any Utah coach 1391 01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:22.520 a fair fighting chance, the fans have to show up 1392 01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:25.039 because kids want to play in front of people. And 1393 01:08:25.119 --> 01:08:27.520 if a recruit comes to the Huntsman Center and there 1394 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:30.199 are seven hundred and fifty people there spread out over 1395 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.520 the play all over the place, it's going to be 1396 01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.119 tough to attract good players, high end talent. The best 1397 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:40.079 thing this community can do if they want Utah basketball 1398 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.800 to be good again is to make Saturday night the 1399 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:46.760 reality every night. You think that's a realistic expectation. 1400 01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.920 Now, I mean, I think it's getting there, right, I 1401 01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:52.319 think I think you're absolutely right though. I mean the 1402 01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:54.479 fact that, you know, football is able to have so 1403 01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:58.319 many sellouts, that absolutely buies into some of what Utah 1404 01:08:58.399 --> 01:08:59.079 success has been. 1405 01:08:59.159 --> 01:08:59.319 Right. 1406 01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:02.239 Players to those games, they come to the environment and 1407 01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:04.800 they see it. You know, the gymnastics, you've got sellout 1408 01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:07.880 crowds every single night. With basketball, you've had that, but 1409 01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:09.880 in reason it hasn't been able to be there. And 1410 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.439 I think it does go hand in hand with what 1411 01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:14.960 is there. And I you know, I have I've been 1412 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.880 impressed with with the crowd since Utah you know, starts 1413 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:22.640 conference play, Big twelve play has been much more improved. 1414 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:24.600 There's been much more fans. I mean, it's nothing like 1415 01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:26.319 it was with BYU. That's always going to be a 1416 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:29.439 big draw and obviously that's gonna get more of a sellout. 1417 01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.199 But I have been impressed that people are showing up 1418 01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:34.439 a little bit more. I think they're starting to realize that, 1419 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:38.520 you know, they impact winning to an extent. Outside of 1420 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:41.199 Saturday though, I mean, the student section still hasn't been 1421 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.279 that great and then to me, you know, if you're 1422 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:45.399 going to Utah, I don't understand why you're not there. 1423 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:47.880 You know, what else are you doing. You've either got 1424 01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:50.880 you know, homeworker or something else. There's no reason not 1425 01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:53.439 to go to those games and show out. So to me, 1426 01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:55.479 that's still kind of the piece that's lacking. And I 1427 01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:56.760 think those are the ones that are going to be 1428 01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:00.079 more raucous and and you know, spirited. You know, the 1429 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:01.960 the older people that are sitting there just looking to 1430 01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:03.680 have a good time with the season tickets, They're not 1431 01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:07.000 necessarily the ones that are gonna be kind of riled up. 1432 01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:09.479 So it's getting there, but I still think they have 1433 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:10.279 a long ways to go. 1434 01:10:11.479 --> 01:10:13.920 So let's dig into the game for a little bit here, Josh. 1435 01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:16.199 I mean, I don't know that there would be anybody 1436 01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:19.720 out there who would debate that Byu has not just 1437 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:23.720 superior talent on paper, but like far superior talent on paper. 1438 01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:27.119 The last Jonathan Cavoni mock draft has Yego demon as 1439 01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:30.239 a top seven prospect. Candon Catching is a lot of 1440 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:33.600 people believe as a first round kid as well. I believe, 1441 01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.479 I know the reports are out there that Yegor is 1442 01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:38.920 a seventh figure nil Kid, and I think Canon is 1443 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:41.880 as well. And we don't even have to stop there. 1444 01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:44.640 Mark Pope badly wanted Richie Saunders and Dollen Hall to 1445 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.359 go to Kentucky. Fus has been around forever and he's 1446 01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.479 really really good. And I'm not saying Craig doesn't have horses. 1447 01:10:50.520 --> 01:10:52.640 I'm saying I don't believe he has the horses Kevin does. 1448 01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:55.960 So that to me was a very very well coached 1449 01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:58.960 game by Craig Smith, and players certainly deserve some credit 1450 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:01.239 for making timely play. But what do you most attribute 1451 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:03.520 Utah's win too on Saturday night. 1452 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.520 I think it's mostly coming down to them realizing that 1453 01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:09.239 the way that they're going to be able to compete 1454 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:10.760 in the Big twelve is they have to play as 1455 01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:13.279 a team. They don't have a guy that is necessarily 1456 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:15.560 going to go hero ball or go ISO on some guy. 1457 01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.239 You know, Gabe Madison's probably been your closest to that 1458 01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.239 in the past, especially with the spot up shooting. But 1459 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:24.039 Utah has to be a team to be able to 1460 01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:27.119 win these games, and you saw that in these last 1461 01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:29.600 three games, especially that TCU game on the road. I mean, 1462 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.199 they were passing the ball at an elite level. They 1463 01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:34.560 were doing things that allowed them to be able to 1464 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:38.520 just really take advantage of their teamwork and move together. 1465 01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:41.239 It started out that way at the beginning of the season, 1466 01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:43.199 and you can argue, you know, that's non conference play 1467 01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:46.199 and you're playing teams and like the three hundreds RPI 1468 01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:50.159 type levels, but you saw some chemistry. It kind of 1469 01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:52.520 started to fall away for a long time, and you're 1470 01:11:52.520 --> 01:11:55.199 starting to get that now they don't have those players 1471 01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:57.439 that you're talking about right, like deman Is. You know, 1472 01:11:57.479 --> 01:11:59.159 we'll see, we'll see if he's able to be able 1473 01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:01.479 to go into the into the draft this year. I mean, 1474 01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:04.239 I think the Utah game is just one example of 1475 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:08.359 kind of him not living up to expectations recently. But 1476 01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:12.359 clearly they have far more talent on paper. But I 1477 01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:15.119 think the big advantage for Utah's they're finding ways to 1478 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.680 get guys to believe, they're finding ways to be able 1479 01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:19.560 to play as a team. And then when you do 1480 01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:22.239 have somebody that goes off like an Ezrasr, you know, 1481 01:12:22.359 --> 01:12:24.239 it makes it so much easier to just keep feeding 1482 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:26.359 him and then if he's not working, then you can 1483 01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:28.960 pass it out to somebody else. It's just it's become 1484 01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:32.159 much more of a team mentality with the running uts. 1485 01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:35.399 You know, it's kind of embodies Craig's atmosphere where he's 1486 01:12:35.399 --> 01:12:37.760 not always going to be able to get the top 1487 01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:39.800 end guys, you know, whether it was at Utah State 1488 01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:42.319 or other places, but he's going to find a way 1489 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:44.319 to make you play as a team and do well. 1490 01:12:44.520 --> 01:12:47.640 And when teams buy in to his strategy, it generally works. Though. 1491 01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.079 He's had a winning strategy and I think you're starting 1492 01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:52.239 to see that. So, you know, for their sake, for 1493 01:12:52.359 --> 01:12:55.119 Craig's sake in terms of his tenure at Utah, you 1494 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.000 have to hope that that's kind of catching on and 1495 01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:00.319 that they can continue to fight that. But this road's 1496 01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:01.800 not going to be easy in the Big twelve. 1497 01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:05.439 So after the game, Craig was emotional when asked about 1498 01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:09.359 Ezra Ezra Sar and you rode on it, and I 1499 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:11.960 gotta say, man, I was wildly impressed with that kid. 1500 01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:15.239 Because Kevin Young tried everybody. The only player who had 1501 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.560 a little bit of success was actually kay Bakeata. But 1502 01:13:18.159 --> 01:13:21.159 you know, Ezra was taking Trey Orri to school and 1503 01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:23.880 he was Josh. He's listed at six to eight give 1504 01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:25.680 me a break. He might be six ' five, there's 1505 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:27.720 no way he's six ' eight. There's a little like 1506 01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:30.640 Adrian Dantley for you old school of the NBA Jazz 1507 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.560 fans are like Larry Johnson in New York after he 1508 01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.920 injured his back in Charlotte. Because it's footwork, it's pump fakes. 1509 01:13:37.399 --> 01:13:39.600 He can finish with the right hand, with the left hand, 1510 01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.840 and by you couldn't do anything with him. So what 1511 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.640 stood out most to you about his performance, how he's 1512 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.039 played over the past few weeks, and what should you 1513 01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:52.000 fans know as to why Craig appeared to be emotional 1514 01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:55.840 when asked about Ezra after the game on Saturday. Yeah. 1515 01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:57.560 I mean, this is a guy that didn't really start 1516 01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:00.439 playing basketball until his junior or senior year year of 1517 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.760 high school, and so he's still relatively new to basketball 1518 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.119 and obviously has some God given talent in his ability. 1519 01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:09.960 But you know, there's there's a lot there where he's 1520 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:12.079 still trying to be able to understand that he can 1521 01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:15.880 do things right. He's learning confidence in himself. I don't 1522 01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.039 I don't know all the inner workings of what's going 1523 01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:20.119 on in his life. Obviously, he had a death in 1524 01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:23.279 the family recently. That's that's impacting him. But there's other 1525 01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:25.159 things that I think is more just kind of on 1526 01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:28.239 the human side in terms of just being able to 1527 01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:30.239 believe that you can be there right. You know. It's 1528 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:32.720 that imposter syndrome that we all face sometimes where it's 1529 01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:35.319 like am I really living? You know, am I really 1530 01:14:35.359 --> 01:14:38.119 this good? Or is it you know, just happenstance type stuff. 1531 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.520 But I think with him, you know, when he starts 1532 01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:44.359 to believe in himself, he's a completely different player and 1533 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.960 he can impact winning in a large way. As you saw, 1534 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:49.680 you know, I mean his his head fakes, you know, 1535 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:53.199 pump fakes, whatever, whatever he was doing was just absolutely 1536 01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:55.399 destroying b what you and they had no answer for it. 1537 01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:57.119 Then he found a way to be able to draw 1538 01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:58.760 contacts to be able to send him to the free 1539 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.279 throw line, and he's improved the free throw line. But 1540 01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:03.039 if not, he was either able to get an easy 1541 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:04.880 dunk or he was able to get a nice lay up. 1542 01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:07.960 I mean, you know, he's a big guy, Like you said, 1543 01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:09.600 he's not six eight, I don't think, you know, but 1544 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:13.960 he's much more wiry than somebody like a Fussini that 1545 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:16.800 he should be able to not have that kind of 1546 01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:20.159 ability to be able to do that, and nothing was 1547 01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:22.840 stopping him, right, And I think I think that's the 1548 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:24.479 fun thing that you can see with him, is when 1549 01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:27.560 you get a guy that can start to believe in himself. 1550 01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:30.159 And sometimes this happens in college, sometimes it happened in 1551 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:32.479 you know, high school ranks or you know, wherever it is, 1552 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:35.640 then it starts to change their game. They start to 1553 01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:38.279 believe in themselves, and I think that really unlocks kind 1554 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:41.199 of a guy's potential. I really think that that's where 1555 01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:43.760 he's at. You know, Craig's a big believer in guy's 1556 01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:46.920 unlocking their potential. You know, he's very invested into these 1557 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:48.399 guys as much as you want to say, you know, 1558 01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:50.800 it's the nil Era and transferportal Ara and he's just 1559 01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:53.920 trying to fill a roster. Craig deeply cares about these people, 1560 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:56.399 and he cares very much so about Ezra. I'm seeing 1561 01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:58.640 him as a human being, and so I think all 1562 01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:00.720 of that kind of just combined on Saturday, and it 1563 01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:04.079 just was this perfect storm for him, obviously to get 1564 01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:05.800 the win, but him just to be able to showcase 1565 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:08.159 his skills and say that he can't actually do it 1566 01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:08.640 on the floor. 1567 01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:12.039 So I know this is gonna sound weird, but I 1568 01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:14.800 didn't think Gabe was that bad, and I'm gonna tell 1569 01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:17.319 you why. Okay, So Gabe mattson two of twelve from 1570 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:20.439 the floor, one of eleven from three. He had four boards, 1571 01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.319 he had three assists, He had three turnovers on the 1572 01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:25.199 eight points. And Gabe is, in my opinion, the most 1573 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:28.319 important player on this team from an offensive standpoint. But 1574 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:30.399 I want to give Byu a lot of credit because 1575 01:16:30.439 --> 01:16:33.279 they played him really well. Lot magg started out on him, 1576 01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:36.000 Dawson Baker had some minutes, Ritchie Saunders had some minutes, 1577 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:39.479 but they were gapping him. They were blitzing him off 1578 01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.439 every single screen, whether it was a baseline screen, a 1579 01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:45.359 down screen. There were two players on him as soon 1580 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:47.760 as he was coming off screens. He didn't have space, 1581 01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:51.399 but he was for the most part intelligent with his 1582 01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:55.119 decision making and allowed for some open space for other players. 1583 01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:58.359 And I wondered if Craig was gonna put Hunter ericson 1584 01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:01.079 in because all they need did was somebody to be 1585 01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:03.680 able to knock down some shots with the gravity that 1586 01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:06.880 that Gabe was mandating. Because there were open looks and 1587 01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:09.279 I was really happy for Hunter obviously as a former 1588 01:17:09.319 --> 01:17:12.159 b YU kid who hit two massive threes. They do 1589 01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:15.319 not win that basketball game without Hunter ericson. But give 1590 01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:18.439 me your take on how Utah was able to utilize 1591 01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:21.800 kind of the attention BYU gave Gabe to open up 1592 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:24.600 the lanes for Ezra and Lawton, and then your thoughts 1593 01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.640 on Hunter coming in and knocking down some really big shots. 1594 01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.680 Yeah, first off, I'll touch on Hunter. I mean, those 1595 01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:35.279 those were cut shots. I mean in overtime, especially him 1596 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:38.039 being able to hit that deep three that changed the 1597 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.000 entire tone of the of that that arena. Right, he 1598 01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:43.840 hits that, Suddenly Utah has life again, and then it 1599 01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:45.479 was even possible for him to be able to have 1600 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.880 those free throws. The fact that he air air bald 1601 01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:50.680 one and then still managed to go to the line 1602 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:52.840 the next time and drain both of them, I mean, 1603 01:17:52.960 --> 01:17:54.840 a gutsy, gutsy play for a guy that a lot 1604 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:57.359 of people have kind of cast off. That's another guy 1605 01:17:57.439 --> 01:17:59.399 that you know, he was in the starting unit at 1606 01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:01.520 b YU, but then had to kind of go to 1607 01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:04.720 SLCC to kind of refigure himself out, and he's been 1608 01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:07.119 able to develop and become a key piece to Utah. 1609 01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:09.800 He's not always your starter, he's not always the guy 1610 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:12.479 that's going to, you know, need his minutes. But he's 1611 01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:14.199 a guy that is the glue guy, the guy that 1612 01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:15.920 comes in and says, I'll do whatever you need me 1613 01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:18.359 to do and do it. So on his kudos to 1614 01:18:18.399 --> 01:18:21.520 him because he's been a phenomenal asset for UTAH. But 1615 01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:23.920 I'm that same bane Gabe has as well. Right, he's 1616 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.279 obviously been in a shooting slump, and it's very tough 1617 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.119 for shooters to be in a shooting slump, right. But 1618 01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:31.199 at the same time, like I've seen on Twitter, people 1619 01:18:31.239 --> 01:18:32.600 are like, we need to bench him. He needs to 1620 01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.520 not be on the floor anymore. But the reason that 1621 01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:39.039 you spelled out exactly is that he draws people away. 1622 01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:41.479 He provides that spacing, and in college you don't get 1623 01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.359 a ton of spacing like you do in the pros. 1624 01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:45.279 And so the more that he can do to just 1625 01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:47.119 spread the floor out and stretch it out a little 1626 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.720 bit to allow somebody like a loss and Lovering or 1627 01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:51.880 an Ezra Sar or Keanu Das or any of these 1628 01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:54.119 guys to be able to work in the post. It's 1629 01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:56.880 because of him because they know that the second they 1630 01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:59.399 decide to not respect him and they pay too much 1631 01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:01.680 attention into that post game, he's going to stand out 1632 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:03.039 there and pop off a shot and one of those 1633 01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:05.000 is going to fall on in these times, and I 1634 01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:07.840 think that's the benefit that UTAH has right here. Maybe 1635 01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:09.840 teams start to relax on Gabe a little bit as 1636 01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:12.079 they start seeing somebody like a loss and work or 1637 01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:14.840 an Ezra work, and they really have to respect that 1638 01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:17.359 post game. But Utah has done a good job of 1639 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.720 being able to develop itself where they can be an 1640 01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:21.960 inside out game. They can do whatever they need to 1641 01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:23.720 where you can go into the post and feed that 1642 01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:26.479 and be able to hit at a consistent level there. 1643 01:19:26.760 --> 01:19:28.720 But if they decide to take that away, you do 1644 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.359 have shooters. Maybe it is Hunter, maybe it's Gabe. You know, 1645 01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:33.399 his brother Mason hasn't been able to see the floor 1646 01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:37.279 as much lately, But somebody like a Gabe, even though 1647 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:38.920 his numbers have not been great, and I know that's 1648 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:42.079 frustrating to him. If anything, he's becoming a decoy to 1649 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:43.920 be able to spread the floor and if he gets 1650 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:45.800 the opportunity to shoot it, he's gonna shoot it. And 1651 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:48.000 you know, generally he's gonna make it. It's just been 1652 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.119 a tough stretch for him. And when those start falling, 1653 01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:52.760 you hope that it's like in March. You know, hopefully 1654 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.680 it's before then, but you know, Utah hopes that he'll 1655 01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:57.720 continue to be in that mix. And once that does, 1656 01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:00.600 you know, they become a very deadly team, especially if 1657 01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.680 they can get both of those those games inside out working. 1658 01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:08.079 Okay, Josh, let's get weird. Let's get weird on a Monday, 1659 01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:12.039 all right. Utah picked to finish last in the Big Twelve, 1660 01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:15.439 And as we learned during football season, when I believe 1661 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:18.319 Arizona State was picked to finish last in the Big Twelve, 1662 01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:21.680 we don't know a damn thing, and we're all just guessing. 1663 01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:25.520 That's why I try to diagnose, not prognosticate, because it's impossible. 1664 01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:30.000 What are you willing to say if you open up that, Josh, 1665 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:33.840 for a long imagination about what you believe Utah's chances 1666 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:36.560 are in this conference this year? And do you think 1667 01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:40.520 they could make the NCAA tournament? What are your thoughts? 1668 01:20:41.079 --> 01:20:45.680 Oh, that's a tough one, man. I think you know 1669 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:47.279 they're gonna have to be able to steal some of 1670 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:49.239 these games that they have upcoming, you know, a Houston 1671 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:51.520 or a Baylor game, that Baylor game at home. That's 1672 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:54.880 the real possibility that you could steal and give you 1673 01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.479 a real shot of kind of some life. But as 1674 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.039 you know, as we've learned a sport, the team that 1675 01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:02.880 gets hot at the right time is going to be 1676 01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:06.640 able to do it. So I wouldn't necessarily count Utah out. 1677 01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:09.159 I think if they can continue to stay engaged the 1678 01:21:09.159 --> 01:21:12.880 way that they have been, there's a shot. But I 1679 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:15.600 you know, I mean outside of going on a massive 1680 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:18.000 streak of winning, I mean, their best shot is honestly 1681 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:19.600 got to be at the conference tournament, where you just 1682 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:22.600 hit the right teams, you play right on the right days, 1683 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.439 and be able to win in that large bid that way. 1684 01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:28.640 I just I don't know. I think the odds are 1685 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:30.840 still against them. I think they're at this point still 1686 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:35.159 an NIT level team. But you know, the last three 1687 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:36.760 games are shown that they can do it right. You 1688 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:40.079 can go to TCU, a place that teams just don't 1689 01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:42.479 win that no Big twelve team is beating TCU in 1690 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:45.800 in Fort Worth this year except for Utah. They can 1691 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:47.680 do it right. This is a team that can contend 1692 01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:50.439 with Iowa State. They've done it, they just haven't been 1693 01:21:50.439 --> 01:21:53.840 able to finish or put it together consistently. So I'm 1694 01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:55.640 willing to go and stretch my neck out and say 1695 01:21:55.640 --> 01:21:58.880 that there is a possibility. You know, I don't think 1696 01:21:58.920 --> 01:22:01.159 the dream is dead by any means, but I'd still 1697 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.960 think there's so much that has to go that even 1698 01:22:04.279 --> 01:22:06.840 isn't in their control for them to be able to 1699 01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:08.279 make it. But the fact that you can even be 1700 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:09.920 in that conversation is at least a good. 1701 01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:12.319 Thing for sure. Josh, thanks for the time, brother, to 1702 01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:13.920 have a great week and we'll get you back on soon. 1703 01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:16.439 Okay, thanks, appreciate it. Man, a good one. 1704 01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:20.239 Josh Furlong covers University of Utah for KSL the utes. 1705 01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:23.760 We're able to get that win over BYU. Coming up, 1706 01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:27.239 excuse me BYU on Saturday. But coming up, we have 1707 01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:30.079 some breaking news. The Utah Houston game has been postponed 1708 01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:35.600 to Wednesday nights. So Utah Houston men's basketball scheduled originally 1709 01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:38.640 for tomorrow, has been postponed due to severe weather in 1710 01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:42.640 the area. The game has been rescheduled for Wednesday, January 1711 01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:46.079 twenty seconds at four o'clock Mountain time, which means our 1712 01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:48.319 show on Wednesday is going to be short. All right, 1713 01:22:48.359 --> 01:22:51.520 Live today at the Warehouse, eighteen twenty five South, three 1714 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:56.520 hundred West, Incredible deals on sofa's mattresses bases. Come on bye, 1715 01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:58.000 My guy Vidal is going to take care of you. 1716 01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:00.680 It's eighteen twenty five South three. Who asked? The phone 1717 01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:04.720 number is eight oh one four six seven twenty two two. 1718 01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:08.720 Rick Newheisel's excuse me. Rick new Heisel is our guest 1719 01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:11.159 coming up in just a little bit to preview tonight's 1720 01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:14.319 National Championship game. We're gonna say good night in time 1721 01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:16.079 for that. So at five point thirty. It's not for 1722 01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:19.880 Notre Dame and Ohio State, but our next guest good 1723 01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:21.520 enough to join us from time to time, which he's 1724 01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:24.399 not traveling the world or hanging out with kids you 1725 01:23:24.439 --> 01:23:26.520 went to high school with. It turned into serial killers. 1726 01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:29.359 It's a real thing. Scott Mitchell on a Monday, Scott, 1727 01:23:29.359 --> 01:23:30.359 Happy Monday. How are we doing? 1728 01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:35.479 I'm doing awesome. That's a great introduction right there. You know, 1729 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:37.640 listening to that commercial, it's like, why would you ever 1730 01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:40.359 turn off ESPN seven hundred. I mean you could catch 1731 01:23:40.399 --> 01:23:43.079 all the games you shouldn't listen all the time. You get, 1732 01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:46.359 you get you, you get Sean O'Connell. Come on, people 1733 01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:48.760 listen all the time. That's what I have to say. 1734 01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:51.840 Scott Mitchell, who apparently has been hired as our general 1735 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:54.800 sales manager, joins the show today. You're not wrong, Scott. 1736 01:23:54.880 --> 01:23:57.600 I appreciate the pub and of course everyone wants to 1737 01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:00.520 listen when you're on the show. But here's my question, 1738 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:04.640 Scott Mitchell, right out of the gates Detroit Lions fans 1739 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:09.279 on a Monday after that loss where a lot of 1740 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:11.319 people thought they were going to be right in the 1741 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:14.640 mix to win the entire thing. You played pro ball 1742 01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:17.279 for Detroit at a very high level. I just wonder 1743 01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:19.920 what you takes. And I love the Jade and Daniel story. 1744 01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:22.880 And Washington hasn't been in the Conference champions title game 1745 01:24:22.920 --> 01:24:25.199 in thirty three years. But you know, if you're a 1746 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.079 Lions fan, you finally had it. Everything was in place, 1747 01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:30.840 you were relatively healthy, and the wheels fell off, some 1748 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:33.840 injuries defensively, But what do you think that community is 1749 01:24:34.039 --> 01:24:36.079 like on this Monday afternoon, Scott. 1750 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:40.079 I just my heart goes out to all those people, 1751 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.239 and if I wanted to see something in sports ever happen. 1752 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:46.399 It was the Detroit Lions winning a Super Bowl simply 1753 01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:50.119 for their fans. They really are some of the best 1754 01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:52.119 fans in the world in the sense that they are 1755 01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.399 so loyal to this team. I mean, this team's not 1756 01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:57.680 any good and folks still show up and they're lifer. 1757 01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:02.520 These are life, life long Lion spans. They've worn the 1758 01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:07.079 badge of you know, futility for so long and it 1759 01:25:07.279 --> 01:25:09.159 just felt like it was going to be their time. 1760 01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:11.720 And love the coach and what he's doing, and and 1761 01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:14.399 just the nucleus of players you just pull for them, 1762 01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:17.880 you know, with pull for Jared Golf and and just 1763 01:25:18.079 --> 01:25:20.279 you know, want him to do well, and just so 1764 01:25:20.359 --> 01:25:24.680 many good things there. It was crushing, but it really 1765 01:25:25.439 --> 01:25:29.159 brings to light something that's a brutal truth about the NFL, 1766 01:25:29.199 --> 01:25:31.800 and that's it's hard to win. It's hard to win 1767 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.680 in the playoffs, it's hard to win a Super Bowl. 1768 01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:37.840 And so he sees people like Tom Brady's doing seven times. 1769 01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:42.000 You you understand that a lot of luck gets involved 1770 01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:45.399 in that. But also, man, they're really good and they're 1771 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:47.479 they're really good teams to be able to do that. 1772 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:50.439 You're seeing that to some degree with the Kansas City Chiefs, 1773 01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:52.720 but it's just a hard thing. And part of it 1774 01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:56.840 that makes a hard expense is they only have one game. 1775 01:25:57.079 --> 01:25:59.199 Like it's every week is do or die. You know, 1776 01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:01.239 you don't get any you don't get a reset, you 1777 01:26:01.239 --> 01:26:05.159 don't get a do over. It's it's a sudden death 1778 01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:10.079 elimination every week. And it's the brutal reality and the 1779 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:13.640 harshness of professional football. But also what makes it so 1780 01:26:13.840 --> 01:26:17.159 compelling and so intriguing. You know, you tune in because 1781 01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:21.000 you just see how that pressure of having that you're 1782 01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:24.600 done in year out does to people, and it impacts 1783 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:28.760 people in different ways, which is why Jade and Daniels 1784 01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:32.159 is so freaking amazing what that guy's do. Like he 1785 01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:36.000 must have like some something in his brain that doesn't work, 1786 01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:40.039 and it's that fear, It's that it's that pressure button 1787 01:26:40.079 --> 01:26:43.680 or something, because because a rookie should not be playing 1788 01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.640 like that, not only in the playoffs, all season long. 1789 01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:48.720 He's just been incredible. 1790 01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:52.800 He has And let me let me follow up, because 1791 01:26:52.880 --> 01:26:56.279 Scott we had him out in this direction. Jane Daniels 1792 01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:58.840 was a Pac twelve kid and I'll just speak for 1793 01:26:58.920 --> 01:27:01.600 myself when I watch at Asu. I'm like, man, he's fun, 1794 01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:04.680 he's dynamic, he's talented. But I mean, come on, like, 1795 01:27:05.479 --> 01:27:07.560 I don't. I don't think even the most art and 1796 01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:09.880 Jayden Daniels fans will tell you they saw this coming. 1797 01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:13.079 But I cheer, as I often say when everybody, whenever 1798 01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:14.960 anybody asks me, like who do you cheer for to win? 1799 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:16.680 I say all the local teams, And then I just 1800 01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:19.520 cheer for stories. And I'm here for this jad and 1801 01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:21.960 Daniels story as they're taking on Philly now coming up 1802 01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:24.600 for the chance to go to the Super Bowl. What 1803 01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:27.319 what are you most impressed about the way Jadeen Daniels 1804 01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:30.000 has been able to traverse this, this rookie experience in 1805 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:30.680 pro football. 1806 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:35.920 He had committed to Utah. I mean he was he 1807 01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:39.960 was committed to Utah and her Edwards came in kind 1808 01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:43.159 of at a late date and and swooned him away. 1809 01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:46.239 And I think part of the intrigue, because this is 1810 01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:48.000 my this is part of my answer to your question. 1811 01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:52.840 Part of the intrigue was I feel like her Medwards 1812 01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:55.000 can get me to the NFL. And I think Jayden 1813 01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:58.119 Daniels and he talks about it that he saw himself 1814 01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.880 as this kind of player would He was a young kid, 1815 01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:04.039 and his whole thing was about playing and playing great 1816 01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:06.359 in the NFL. And and he said, you know, I 1817 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:09.479 could go to Utah and and and how many you know, 1818 01:28:09.520 --> 01:28:12.199 how many you know, they're not a hotbed for quarterback 1819 01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:16.399 per se. But I could go to Arizona State, where 1820 01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:18.800 I've got a coach who did coach in the NFL, 1821 01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:21.239 who did play in the NFL. And then when that 1822 01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:24.000 fell apart, he goes, I'm going to go to the 1823 01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:26.119 big you know, he has a chance to go to LSU. 1824 01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:29.840 So he's had this willingness to do whatever it took 1825 01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:32.920 to go wherever he needed to go to get himself 1826 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:36.399 in the right position to be able to play at 1827 01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:39.720 a high level because he was he was exceptional at 1828 01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:42.600 at LSU. And I think that move to LSU was 1829 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:45.399 that thing that really kind of put him over over 1830 01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:47.920 the top. And you know, and then and then on 1831 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:49.880 top of it, and this is the biggest thing I 1832 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:53.079 think of all spence of anyone like you know this 1833 01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:55.840 post Sha dur Sanders and so does he go, don 1834 01:28:55.880 --> 01:28:58.680 where does he go? Kind of thing. Jayden Daniels went 1835 01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:02.159 to a coach, went to a system that was like 1836 01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:06.720 built for quarterbacks, and Cliff Kingsbury done a phenomenal job 1837 01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:09.920 for a long time. You know, if you're a young quarterback, 1838 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:12.359 that's like, I want to go where that guy. I 1839 01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.119 don't want to go any coach that's a defensive minded coach, 1840 01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:17.640 don't I don't want to go there. Don't put me there, 1841 01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:20.600 don't let me go there. I'll retire before I ever 1842 01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:24.960 start kind of mindset. And Jade Daniels really lucked into 1843 01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.359 the right coach at the right time to fit who 1844 01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:31.800 he is, and they've done a beautiful job of really 1845 01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:35.560 accentuating what he can really do. And I mean he's 1846 01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:37.760 consistently done it all season long. 1847 01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:43.479 He has all right, it was inevitable that the sports 1848 01:29:43.520 --> 01:29:46.439 media news cycle was going to contain a lot of 1849 01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:51.039 Lamark just cannot do this come playoff time content, and 1850 01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:53.399 I had to at some point turn it off because 1851 01:29:53.399 --> 01:29:56.000 it just gets so Scott. I do not think wins 1852 01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.039 and losses are a quarterback stat That's my opinion. But 1853 01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:02.600 having said that, the record is what it is. That 1854 01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:05.640 looked like a very cold and challenging place to try 1855 01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:08.760 to play quarterback, and the other team has Josh Allen 1856 01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:10.880 they're pretty good. So what's fair to say today on 1857 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:14.760 this Monday after the Ravens and the Baltimore Ravens and 1858 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:17.920 Lamar Jackson once again are ousted early on in the postseason. 1859 01:30:19.359 --> 01:30:21.760 But when you have two players, you have two teams 1860 01:30:21.760 --> 01:30:25.479 that are competing at a high level. Every little play, 1861 01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:29.359 every moment matters, and with the turnovers and the drop 1862 01:30:29.439 --> 01:30:32.800 passes in the in the critical times, the teams that win, 1863 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:36.279 they find a way to get it done. At the 1864 01:30:36.359 --> 01:30:38.119 end of the game, they find a way to close 1865 01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:40.560 it out and win it and and and you have 1866 01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:43.079 to it's it's just a learned thing. I mean, Peyton Manning, 1867 01:30:43.119 --> 01:30:45.800 I think the first five years he was in the 1868 01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:50.239 playoffs he really struggled. And you know, and there's a 1869 01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:52.319 lot of guys have been really good that haven't been 1870 01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:54.920 amazing in the playoffs, and then you have some other 1871 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:59.279 guys that, you know, kind of kind of do a 1872 01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:01.880 better job. So I agree with you, and the wins 1873 01:31:01.880 --> 01:31:05.600 and losses and playoffs and Super Bowls really shouldn't account 1874 01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:10.319 for the greatness of a quarterback, for sure. But because 1875 01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:13.720 I love Lamar Jackson and I think he put him 1876 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.479 in a position in a tough environment in tough playing 1877 01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:21.039 conditions to tie the game. And you know he throws 1878 01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:23.479 a nice touchdown pass late the guy drops the ball. 1879 01:31:23.880 --> 01:31:26.159 Guy the same guy fumbles the ball earlier as they're 1880 01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:29.399 moving into score. And you know that's that's not on 1881 01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:32.680 Lamar Jackson. I mean he was there. You know, he 1882 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:35.920 was a guy that was present when the game was 1883 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:38.720 on the line. He didn't fold, he didn't crumble from it. 1884 01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:41.439 He did what he had to do to put him 1885 01:31:41.439 --> 01:31:43.439 in a position to win the game. If I'm a 1886 01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:46.840 coach Spence and I got a chance to have Lamar 1887 01:31:46.920 --> 01:31:50.720 Jackson on my team, I raised both hands. I said, yes, yes, yes, 1888 01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:54.279 I love the guy, and I think he's done an 1889 01:31:54.319 --> 01:31:59.600 exceptional job of becoming a multi dimensional player. He really 1890 01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:02.640 throws the ball a lot better than he did in 1891 01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:04.840 the past. And then but he's just this elite runner 1892 01:32:04.840 --> 01:32:08.479 as well. And so I like his game. I like 1893 01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:11.319 it a lot. And he'll just keep playing, you know, 1894 01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:15.319 he'll eventually get this off his back, and and who 1895 01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:17.720 he's a great talent. I don't know why people are 1896 01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:18.720 ragging on him. 1897 01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:20.920 Scott as a Jets fan, I'd trade the Statue of 1898 01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:23.840 Liberty for Lamar Jackson. Kidding me, like, I don't know 1899 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.359 what that would do for the Ravens. But no, to 1900 01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:28.359 your point, yeah, like you take him on your team 1901 01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:30.920 every time. All right, let's move over now. Actually, no, 1902 01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:33.600 I want to ask you about Chiefs Texans. The narrative 1903 01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:36.159 seems to be after a really strong rookie season, c J. 1904 01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:38.920 Stroud has kind of come back down to earth. Is 1905 01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:40.079 that fair? Do you agree with that? 1906 01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:44.399 Yeah? I mean because he was, you know the same 1907 01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:46.760 thing with Jaydan Daniels, you know. And I'm just gonna 1908 01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:49.079 go back to what I said in the beginning, it's 1909 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:52.039 hard to win. I remember one of the first things 1910 01:32:52.039 --> 01:32:54.720 that Dan Marino ever told me, and it just really 1911 01:32:54.760 --> 01:32:56.720 stuck with me. He said, I went to the Super 1912 01:32:56.800 --> 01:33:01.760 Bowl my second year. I had this unbelievable see you 1913 01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:03.920 know throw. I mean he he sent this record back 1914 01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:07.680 in nineteen ninety ninety or nineteen eighty four, you know, 1915 01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:10.239 just it was insane what he was doing throwing the 1916 01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:14.159 football then, and and he and they just march through 1917 01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:16.479 everyone go to the Super Bowl and they get trounced 1918 01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:18.800 by the forty nine ers, but he goes, we thought 1919 01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:20.800 we would be back to the super Bowl every year 1920 01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:23.760 after that. Like I just I just and and and 1921 01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:26.920 every every year he never ever got back again. And 1922 01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:29.600 he was a tremendous player. And you know, I really 1923 01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:32.720 like CJ. Stroud. I've liked him. When he played Utah 1924 01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:35.920 in the Rose Bowl, I I just was very impressed 1925 01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:38.640 with how he threw the ball and and uh and 1926 01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:42.920 I just really liked it, like his game. But you know, 1927 01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:47.399 every season is just it's it's its own thing. And 1928 01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:50.079 and you can't live on what happened in the past. 1929 01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:55.520 You have to find a way to uh evolve your game. 1930 01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:58.920 Because coaches go, those coaches sit in those rooms, Spence, 1931 01:33:59.319 --> 01:34:01.199 they sit in the ark for hours and they go, 1932 01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:03.239 how do we beat this guy? What's his weakness? Where 1933 01:34:03.479 --> 01:34:05.439 what can we do to just really mess with him? 1934 01:34:05.439 --> 01:34:08.079 You know? And Bill Belichick is a master at all 1935 01:34:08.119 --> 01:34:12.000 that stuff. And and until you can adjust your game 1936 01:34:12.119 --> 01:34:14.399 and kind of figure it out and evolve, you know, 1937 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:18.560 and and things have to bounce, right, It's it's really hard. 1938 01:34:18.560 --> 01:34:21.199 So I'm not down on CJ. Stroud, not surprised that 1939 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:25.359 this has happened. The NFL is cool. It's just it 1940 01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:28.359 is a hard business to win and and and to 1941 01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:31.279 be consistently good for a long period of time. It 1942 01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:34.960 speaks volumes of a player and their ability and of 1943 01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:37.000 course the team that they're on. 1944 01:34:38.079 --> 01:34:41.079 We've got Conference Championship Sunday coming up, and at this 1945 01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:44.199 point I'm not going to doubt Washington. Like I said, 1946 01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:48.399 thirty three years since their last NFC Championship appearance. Philly's 1947 01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:51.039 getting five and a half. As far as the spread goes, 1948 01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:53.920 we don't really have an accurate forecast, but it's Philadelphia 1949 01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:57.119 in January, so I'm sure it won't be awesome. Like 1950 01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:59.680 I said, it's hard to pick against him. Do you 1951 01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:02.119 think a magical run continues or do you like Philly? 1952 01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:08.119 Well? What Here's one of the things that's really good 1953 01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:11.479 about Jayden Daniels and why he's having success is mechanically 1954 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:16.479 he's really sound. So his throwing motion holds up like 1955 01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:20.359 in the pressure situations. Think of like a free throw shooter. 1956 01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:22.399 You know you got someone with just a nice stroke 1957 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:25.920 and in pressure situations, you know it just doesn't crumble. 1958 01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:28.399 But to get a guy who's kind of got bad 1959 01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:32.000 form and it's just accentuated when he's at the line 1960 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:35.439 and even if there's more pressure on So so that 1961 01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:40.680 mechanically sound motion allows for him to be pretty consistent 1962 01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:46.119 throwing the football and especially in pressure situations. I'm just 1963 01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:49.159 telling you, he's just got a demeanor, he's got a mindset. 1964 01:35:49.760 --> 01:35:52.800 It would be hard to bet against him. But folks, 1965 01:35:52.840 --> 01:35:55.479 you know, these two teams have played each other twice 1966 01:35:55.479 --> 01:35:58.640 this year. This will be the third time. So he's 1967 01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:01.119 not going to be unfamiliar. You're to the to the 1968 01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:04.399 Philadelphia Eagles, and and and vice versa. You know, these 1969 01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:07.239 teams know each other well, and they're they're gonna know 1970 01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:10.880 probably better than anyone, how to prepare for and how 1971 01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:16.479 to eliminate, you know, some of these successes or comfort 1972 01:36:16.600 --> 01:36:20.560 you know, plays that he's had, and so so it's 1973 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:23.880 it's a tough thing. It's really hard to predict things 1974 01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:26.800 when you played each other, you know, two or three 1975 01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:27.600 times in a year. 1976 01:36:28.600 --> 01:36:31.239 And then the afternoon game, of course, everyone's going to 1977 01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:33.439 be talking about this for the second straight year. We're 1978 01:36:33.439 --> 01:36:35.760 going to see the Bills and the Chiefs and Arrowhead 1979 01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:38.039 and the winner will advance to the Super Bowl. I 1980 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:41.319 just I don't know, Scott. I'll see to you because 1981 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:43.760 you played and you're the expert here. It just feels 1982 01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:45.520 like it's Josh's time to me, but I could be 1983 01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:48.920 wrong because Kansas City just finds a way to figure 1984 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:50.560 it out week in and week out. But who do 1985 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:52.880 you like in the afternoon until at Arrowhead? 1986 01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:59.600 Well, you know, it's so it's so hard because I 1987 01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.760 feel like Kansas City has been living on borrow time 1988 01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:06.199 all this year. And there are kind of some there's 1989 01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:09.479 a statement or a thought process where it takes a 1990 01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:12.479 little bit more time to win before you should and 1991 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:15.319 then you win a little bit after you shouldn't, just 1992 01:37:15.359 --> 01:37:18.640 because you're so experienced and you're just so savvy as 1993 01:37:18.640 --> 01:37:21.319 a team. And that kind of feels like where Kansas 1994 01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:25.359 City is right now. They feel like they're an injury 1995 01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:28.560 or just a bump and the bruise away from kind 1996 01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:32.079 of falling off the cliff. It's hard. No one's ever 1997 01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:35.520 like won three super Bowls in a row, which tells 1998 01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:38.880 you how hard that is. So I kind of tend 1999 01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:40.880 to agree with you. I just I just feel like 2000 01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:44.439 this is Josh Josh Allen's year. He's a guy that's 2001 01:37:44.560 --> 01:37:48.039 evolved and learned how to win and learned how to 2002 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:51.920 kind of modify his game and and and manage you know, 2003 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.000 kind of how much and when he runs, which is 2004 01:37:55.159 --> 01:37:57.960 I think a good thing because I think he's relatively 2005 01:37:58.039 --> 01:38:01.880 healthy at this time of year, and and he's a 2006 01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:05.239 guy that's you know, not uncomfortable going into that environment. 2007 01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:08.079 He's been there before and and played well and so 2008 01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:10.840 and I don't think the Buffalo Bills are unfamiliar with 2009 01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:14.359 that environment either. But I you know, it feels like 2010 01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:18.359 it's his year. But man, don't don't don't count out 2011 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:19.640 Patrick Mahomes. 2012 01:38:20.399 --> 01:38:22.399 You're not wrong there all right before I set you 2013 01:38:22.479 --> 01:38:26.560 lose National Championship. College Football National Championship. It's on our 2014 01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:30.119 radio station. He kicks off in exactly one hour. At 2015 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:33.399 eight minutes, Ohio State is getting nine points. Scott can 2016 01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:34.800 notre Day make this a fair fight. 2017 01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:40.800 I don't really think so. Personally. I think Ohio State 2018 01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:43.079 is clearly the better team. I think they're a team 2019 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:43.920 that's ready to win. 2020 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:45.119 Uh. 2021 01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:48.159 I think they're they're they have more talent just across 2022 01:38:48.159 --> 01:38:52.399 the board as as a team, both on offense and defense. 2023 01:38:52.479 --> 01:38:55.840 And I think I think winning and having a playoff 2024 01:38:55.880 --> 01:38:57.920 format like this has kind of been a good thing 2025 01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:01.000 for Ryan Day where he doesn't have the pressure of 2026 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:05.199 winning the Big Twelve championship and so having an expanded 2027 01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:08.079 playoff I think gave them a little bit of a mulligan, 2028 01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:11.720 you know, because you and I think playing it appeared 2029 01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:14.039 the teams that played more and didn't have to buy 2030 01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:17.640 actually did better in the playoffs. And that doesn't mean 2031 01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:19.279 it's going to be that way. I think every year 2032 01:39:19.279 --> 01:39:22.560 it will be different. But I love the playoff format. 2033 01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:28.520 I love you know what it's brought to the table, 2034 01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:31.920 and I'm actually glad these two teams are playing. But 2035 01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:34.359 I just I think Ohio State is the better team. 2036 01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:37.439 I'm with you, Scott. Thank you for your time today, buddy, 2037 01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:39.640 have a great week, enjoy the game tonight, and then 2038 01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:40.760 hopefully you can get you soon. 2039 01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:43.439 Okay, all right, look forward to it. Thanks bitch. 2040 01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:45.279 All right, Scott Mitching, one of the best to ever 2041 01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:47.079 do it at the University of Utah, played in the 2042 01:39:47.199 --> 01:39:49.800 NFL for the Detroit Lions and some other teams as well. 2043 01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:50.560 Appreciated time. 2044 01:39:50.600 --> 01:39:50.800 All right. 2045 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:52.600 Were live at the warehouse. Rick new Heiseel is going 2046 01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:54.920 to join us the previous tonight's game. Warehouse is eighteen 2047 01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:58.279 twenty five South, three hundred West. We are moving product, 2048 01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:01.039 we are making people happy, we are aiding people money. 2049 01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:04.399 We have the college Football National Championship game on our 2050 01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:08.279 radio station between Ohio States and Notre Dame. Let's bring 2051 01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:10.119 it in our next guest, because I have misbehaved with 2052 01:40:10.119 --> 01:40:12.479 the clock and I hate to keep him waiting. Pleasure 2053 01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:14.560 to spend some time with Rick new Heisel last week 2054 01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:16.479 here in Park City, and Rick joins us now on 2055 01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:18.319 a Monday Rick, Happy Monday, sir, How are you? 2056 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:21.920 I am fantastic Spence. How you doing man? And that 2057 01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:24.439 was that song that you brought me back with? Is 2058 01:40:24.479 --> 01:40:27.760 that just trying to explain to the listeners how old 2059 01:40:27.800 --> 01:40:28.039 I am? 2060 01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:30.239 What the heck you doing? You know? 2061 01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:33.279 I hate to blame my producer, but porter decided to 2062 01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:35.880 play it must just been the California Ties. It's a 2063 01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:37.319 wonderful song, Rick, is it not? 2064 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:40.479 It's a great song. It was written in the sixties, 2065 01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:43.359 performed in the sixties, and so am I a video 2066 01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:44.479 product of the sixties. 2067 01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:45.800 So there you have it? 2068 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:49.079 Okay, fair enough? Well, I wanted to bring some of 2069 01:40:49.079 --> 01:40:52.000 the because I thought it was so fascinating listening to 2070 01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:55.680 you discuss the future of college football last week during 2071 01:40:55.680 --> 01:40:58.520 the daunt List Capital event that we did, and people 2072 01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:02.199 really enjoyed what you had to say, and I actually 2073 01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:04.439 it kind of gave me some hope, so I wanted 2074 01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:06.720 to bring that conversation on air. We're, of course, in 2075 01:41:06.760 --> 01:41:08.399 saul Lake City, where the home of the University of 2076 01:41:08.439 --> 01:41:11.680 Utah Brigham Young plays their college ball about forty forty 2077 01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:15.119 five miles away, and the hypothetical I kind of posed 2078 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:17.159 to you. I indicated it felt like we're headed towards 2079 01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:18.960 a pro model, and you kind of pushed back a 2080 01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:21.359 little bit on that, and I thought your answer was 2081 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:25.000 well thought out and very well articulated. So for our listeners, 2082 01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:26.560 who of course didn't have a chance to hear it, 2083 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:28.720 the Rick new heisil take on the future of college 2084 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:31.840 football and specifically where you think Utah and BYU could 2085 01:41:31.880 --> 01:41:33.880 fit in well. 2086 01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:39.920 Currently, if you subscribe to the theory that, as the 2087 01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:42.960 old man said to his son one day, the answers money, 2088 01:41:43.159 --> 01:41:46.560 Now what was the question? If you subscribe to that theory, 2089 01:41:47.279 --> 01:41:50.640 then we are headed to super late and that is 2090 01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:54.960 going to be incredibly successful. And there's going to be 2091 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:58.279 a little bit of a kind of a gumball rally 2092 01:41:58.520 --> 01:42:01.520 as to which teams make the field and how big 2093 01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:03.279 the field actually is. 2094 01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:04.920 Is it the SEC and the Big ten? 2095 01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:08.720 Are they going to take some you know, folks from 2096 01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:13.279 the Big twelve and the ACC that are currently positioned well. 2097 01:42:14.560 --> 01:42:17.840 And really, if you choose to do that, which the 2098 01:42:17.960 --> 01:42:20.840 big money people might very well and the television executives 2099 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.600 might very well, you're basically just saying it's it's all 2100 01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.560 a product of timing, right. Stanford ten years ago would 2101 01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:30.279 have been in the Big ten, but ten ten years 2102 01:42:30.359 --> 01:42:32.479 later after they didn't, you know, keep up with the 2103 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:38.079 Joneses with admissions. They're now in the ACC. Utah given 2104 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:41.399 their amazing rise from Mountain West to Pac twelve now 2105 01:42:41.479 --> 01:42:43.000 to the Big twelve. And I know it was an 2106 01:42:43.000 --> 01:42:45.960 off year for the Utes given the injuries, but Utah 2107 01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:47.720 could very well be on the right side of the line, 2108 01:42:47.760 --> 01:42:49.960 as could be why you've given a ten win season. 2109 01:42:50.359 --> 01:42:52.239 So these are things. 2110 01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:53.520 But why would we do that? 2111 01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:57.239 Why would we, you know, limit the amount of opportunities 2112 01:42:57.239 --> 01:43:01.039 that were providing young people. Remember that only three percent 2113 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:03.039 of these kids and that's a high number, are going 2114 01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:05.680 to get a chance to play professionally. So why would 2115 01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:08.840 we do that? Why would we limit educational opportunities? I 2116 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:12.119 would offer that we can keep everybody. There's currently one 2117 01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:14.479 hundred and thirty three teams in Division one, we can 2118 01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:16.800 keep everybody. What we have to do is make the 2119 01:43:17.720 --> 01:43:22.279 smaller leagues, those who aren't as attractive as television attractive. 2120 01:43:22.399 --> 01:43:23.960 And the way you do that is you borrow the 2121 01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:28.000 European soccer model of promotion relegation, So you get these 2122 01:43:28.039 --> 01:43:31.680 smaller conferences able to win their way into the big conferences, 2123 01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:35.520 and the big conference seller dwellers who are just raking 2124 01:43:35.560 --> 01:43:37.600 money off the top, they have to go to the 2125 01:43:37.640 --> 01:43:39.960 other leagues and earn their way back. And I think 2126 01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:43.840 we'll get a competitive model. We'll have way more popular 2127 01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:48.239 television inventory, and my fingers across, that'll be the choice 2128 01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:51.640 because that will keep as many scholarships as is possible, 2129 01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:55.000 which is exactly what the whole enterprise was created for. 2130 01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:58.159 And I love your anecdote about you being a walk 2131 01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:01.159 on and ultimately needing to kind of maintain the space 2132 01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:03.800 for people to have the same experience you did. 2133 01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:04.039 Right. 2134 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:07.640 Yeah, Rick du Heisel doesn't exist in the future. I mean, 2135 01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:10.800 he doesn't get to play at UCLA. He can find 2136 01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:13.600 his way to Division two and so forth. But to 2137 01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:15.079 get a chance to run out on the field and 2138 01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:17.680 see that rose in the center of it, and to 2139 01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:20.079 be the you know, the MVP of a Rose Bowl 2140 01:44:20.199 --> 01:44:23.479 doesn't happen. That's not fair. There are guys out there 2141 01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.399 that deserve that chance, that have worked their tails off, 2142 01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:28.600 and I got my fingers crossed that we'll do the 2143 01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:31.239 right thing. And the leaders, more importantly, the leaders of 2144 01:44:31.239 --> 01:44:34.600 college football who are going to be offered extravagant sums 2145 01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:37.279 of money, will be willing to say, listen, let's push 2146 01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:39.439 a little of that back in the table and remember 2147 01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:40.520 who this is really poor. 2148 01:44:41.159 --> 01:44:44.640 So perhaps the role of private equity and venture capitalist 2149 01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:48.279 funds in college football isn't as topical or interesting to 2150 01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:50.560 certain listeners as it is to me. But I find 2151 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:54.039 it fascinating that we could be moving into a space, rick, 2152 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:57.560 as you know, where college football teams at some point, 2153 01:44:57.720 --> 01:45:00.399 And we're seeing this a little bit because college football 2154 01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:04.039 teams have general managers, some of them have cap experts 2155 01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:06.000 and a ton of lawyers to make sure they're following 2156 01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:10.079 the rules. But ownership structures could potentially eventually look like 2157 01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:13.520 the NFL. Do you feel like that's also becoming closer 2158 01:45:13.520 --> 01:45:14.680 and closer to a reality. 2159 01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:19.920 Well, in certainly the Big Twelve where Utah resides, and 2160 01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:24.399 also the ACC, it's a reality because they're face right 2161 01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:29.079 between the eyes with this proposition of the House Settlement, 2162 01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:31.479 which is going to cost them some measure of twenty 2163 01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:34.520 million dollars a year annually to pay their players. 2164 01:45:35.199 --> 01:45:36.319 That's just going to happen. 2165 01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:38.920 And if it doesn't happen, it's even worse news because we're. 2166 01:45:38.760 --> 01:45:39.760 Going to lose that lawsuit. 2167 01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:44.680 That number will be exponentially high higher and will lose programs. Again, 2168 01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:48.680 the goal for me is preserve all the programs. So 2169 01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:51.159 what has to happen is we have to keep looking 2170 01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:54.520 at how we're going to provide the resources for the enterprise. 2171 01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:57.159 We didn't look in the future. We kept breaking off 2172 01:45:57.159 --> 01:45:59.439 the table even though the golden goose was even getting 2173 01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:02.840 more gold and fatter. And at the end of the day, 2174 01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:07.479 now the Supreme Court has realized that these are employees. 2175 01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:10.119 These kids are working hard, and they're not getting enough 2176 01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:13.560 of the proceeds. So now that they're going to we've 2177 01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:17.039 got a restructure, and in restructuring, I hope that private 2178 01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:19.880 equity will be included. And that doesn't make it bad, 2179 01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:22.760 that doesn't make it professional. It just means that we're 2180 01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:25.880 borrowing some money for a good return that will make 2181 01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:28.960 this all make sense. And again, if you don't think 2182 01:46:28.960 --> 01:46:30.600 of this through the eyes of how much am I 2183 01:46:30.720 --> 01:46:33.439 going to make, but how many scholarships I'm going to retain? 2184 01:46:33.760 --> 01:46:36.399 And I know that sounds Pollyanna will be better off 2185 01:46:36.439 --> 01:46:36.680 for it. 2186 01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:39.560 I wanted to move over to a conversation you and 2187 01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:42.039 I had about the PAC twelve because when we got 2188 01:46:42.079 --> 01:46:43.920 on the phone, you were good enough give me some time. 2189 01:46:44.720 --> 01:46:47.479 We discussed you know what I perceived to be and look, 2190 01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:49.640 I know it's yesterday's news, but I don't give a 2191 01:46:49.680 --> 01:46:53.039 chance in view you on the show very often. And 2192 01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:55.640 I'm still sad about it because as a student at 2193 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:58.319 the University of Utah in the late nineties, I understand 2194 01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:01.479 how the PAC twelve changed, not just the athletic department 2195 01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:04.159 but the school that I attended, and when it collapsed, 2196 01:47:04.199 --> 01:47:06.439 I just I was pretty bummed out. And it's a 2197 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:09.800 new day, it's a new world Utahs on the the 2198 01:47:10.039 --> 01:47:11.680 Big twelve. But you have kind of a little bit 2199 01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:13.359 of a different take, and I don't want to speak 2200 01:47:13.359 --> 01:47:15.840 for you, but potentially George Klaioff cough kind of falling 2201 01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:17.960 on the sword and maybe a bit of an unfair way. 2202 01:47:18.039 --> 01:47:20.279 Is that a fair way to to kind of articulate 2203 01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:21.000 your your sentiment. 2204 01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:25.119 I think it's too easy to point at the commissioners 2205 01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:28.600 Larry Scott and George Klayoff Coff as the villains here. 2206 01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:32.119 Maybe they made some four decisions, and retrospectively, I think 2207 01:47:32.199 --> 01:47:34.760 they would both agree that they have. But at the 2208 01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:37.520 end of the day, it was the president's of the 2209 01:47:37.560 --> 01:47:42.640 PAC twelve that overvalued their worth, that overvalued what television 2210 01:47:42.760 --> 01:47:45.239 was going to pay for them. The time zone on 2211 01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:47.960 the West Coast isn't as valuable as the time zone 2212 01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:51.239 on the East Coast, and because of it, they kept saying, well, 2213 01:47:51.279 --> 01:47:54.319 we're worth the same as the Big ten, going back 2214 01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:56.600 to the days when you know, the PAC twelve would 2215 01:47:56.680 --> 01:48:00.239 kind of dominate the Rose Bull and how in the 2216 01:48:00.279 --> 01:48:02.119 world are we going to take less money than the 2217 01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:04.880 Big ten. They turned down a deal just the year 2218 01:48:04.960 --> 01:48:07.960 previous that would have been the equal of the Big twelve, 2219 01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:10.800 and did so because of their ego. And I think 2220 01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:15.319 therein lies the problem, not really an educated understanding of 2221 01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:18.760 what the economics were in television, and the presidents need 2222 01:48:18.760 --> 01:48:19.920 to be held accountable for that. 2223 01:48:21.279 --> 01:48:23.319 All right, before we get to tonight, now will be 2224 01:48:23.359 --> 01:48:25.720 where we end. I wonder what the Rick new Heis 2225 01:48:25.720 --> 01:48:28.640 will take is on the new expanded twelve team CFP 2226 01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:31.319 now that we're about to see it culminate with its 2227 01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:32.199 final game tonight. 2228 01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:37.439 I love it. I love that we've shared the wealth 2229 01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:40.159 in terms of opportunity. I love that Boise State was 2230 01:48:40.159 --> 01:48:43.319 in it. Never mind that they didn't win, they played 2231 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:46.159 a big time game if they don't turn the ball over, 2232 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.880 And how many football games can we say that about. 2233 01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:52.760 I love that SMU in year one, taking no money 2234 01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:55.960 from the ACC for television, got in. They proved that, 2235 01:48:56.760 --> 01:49:00.600 you know, exciting football can be played by teams that 2236 01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:02.960 were in the last year were in a group of five. 2237 01:49:03.039 --> 01:49:07.680 That's wonderful stuff. Indiana is a wonderful story. We talk 2238 01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:10.520 all the time about the Cinderellas of college basketball and 2239 01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:14.039 what makes the college basketball tournament so fun. That's exactly 2240 01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:17.079 what we see. And when the scores were insided, everybody said, well, 2241 01:49:17.119 --> 01:49:19.000 it's we were wrong to do it. Look at the 2242 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:22.560 NFL playoffs in Week one, they were one sided except 2243 01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:24.439 for the Commander Tampa game. 2244 01:49:25.079 --> 01:49:26.039 It's just the way it is. 2245 01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:28.359 It doesn't always turn out to be, you know, a 2246 01:49:28.439 --> 01:49:31.279 final minute finish, but at the end of the day. 2247 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:35.439 It was fantastic. It will absolutely keep the parody and 2248 01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:38.920 recruiting from sea to shining sea. People will know they 2249 01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:40.920 can get to the playoffs from any portion of the 2250 01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:43.800 country and that's great news for the game of college football. 2251 01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:47.840 So we move over to tonight with two blue bloods, and 2252 01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:49.960 I'm sure the power broke person. 2253 01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:52.880 I'm here in Atlanta. I'm here in Atlanta, and you know, 2254 01:49:52.960 --> 01:49:54.800 my mom and dad are from the Midwest. Their names 2255 01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:56.560 are Dick and Jane. I was this close to being 2256 01:49:56.560 --> 01:49:59.680 a name spot, but I am in with a bunch 2257 01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:02.319 of Dicks in James from all over the Midwest. They 2258 01:50:02.319 --> 01:50:06.079 brought the Midwestern weather to Atlanta. It's about twenty five degrees. 2259 01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:08.279 They were having the time of their life. It's like 2260 01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:10.239 I'm watching a group of people that are at the 2261 01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:13.159 Elks Club having Friday night fish fry. It is the 2262 01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:17.079 greatest thing. And I am enjoying these two brands getting 2263 01:50:17.119 --> 01:50:18.680 ready to go to battle. 2264 01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:20.560 I love it. Do you have a feel for which 2265 01:50:20.600 --> 01:50:23.319 fan base will be better represented tonight. 2266 01:50:24.439 --> 01:50:26.840 I'm going to guess Ohio State's going to be probably 2267 01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:31.039 sixty forty in the majority. A lot of red jerseys 2268 01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:34.239 around here, a lot of excitement about their first national 2269 01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:37.479 championship since twenty fourteen. They have the opportunity to be 2270 01:50:37.520 --> 01:50:40.359 the first in the CFP to win the championship and 2271 01:50:40.399 --> 01:50:44.439 the first in the twelve team format to win the championship, 2272 01:50:44.479 --> 01:50:47.000 which is wonderful. Notre Dame's trying to get their first 2273 01:50:47.039 --> 01:50:50.960 championship since nineteen eighty eight when Doctor lou was their coach. 2274 01:50:51.640 --> 01:50:53.399 We'll see if they can get that done. If they 2275 01:50:53.439 --> 01:50:55.199 can get the game to the fourth quarter, they're in it. 2276 01:50:55.239 --> 01:50:57.680 But I'm picking the Buckeye, all right. 2277 01:50:57.600 --> 01:50:59.319 My friend will since you're there and you're busy, we 2278 01:50:59.359 --> 01:51:02.640 will set you and I will say a very big 2279 01:51:02.680 --> 01:51:05.319 thank you for not just your time today but your 2280 01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:07.920 participation last week. It was fun to see you, Okay. 2281 01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:09.439 It was a blast. 2282 01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:11.479 Your dad was a blast as well. Please giving my 2283 01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:15.000 best and college football fans enjoy the evening. It's a 2284 01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:18.760 great night for the game. The game always delivered. 2285 01:51:19.039 --> 01:51:21.399 Yes, it does. The great Rick new Heisel played high 2286 01:51:21.479 --> 01:51:25.479 level quarterback when he was playing his college ball at UCLA. 2287 01:51:25.560 --> 01:51:27.520 Spent a little bit of time in the pros as well, 2288 01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:31.319 probably better known as a coach at a very high 2289 01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:34.720 level where he won a Rose Bowl spent time coaching 2290 01:51:34.720 --> 01:51:37.039 at Colorado, spent time coaching at you dub where he 2291 01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:39.880 won his Rose Bowl, was with the Ravens for three years, 2292 01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:42.520 then took over at UCLA, and now he's doing the 2293 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:45.159 broadcast thing with CBS. So we appreciate his time. And 2294 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:49.079 we have the College Football National Championship coming your way 2295 01:51:49.119 --> 01:51:51.920 in about forty minutes from right now, so stay tuned, 2296 01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:56.079 drive it five time. We are live today at the Warehouse. 2297 01:51:56.159 --> 01:51:58.560 Come on, buy and say hi at eighteen twenty five 2298 01:51:58.680 --> 01:52:01.920 South three hundred West if you have any questions. The 2299 01:52:02.239 --> 01:52:04.439 deals are insane. They did not warn me about what 2300 01:52:04.479 --> 01:52:07.920 they're doing. Couches, they've got mattresses. I just tried out 2301 01:52:07.960 --> 01:52:11.560 a couple myself. They got bases and it's more than 2302 01:52:11.600 --> 01:52:13.720 half off. I can't even describe all the deals that 2303 01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:16.119 my guy, the Dallas, given you. So give them a 2304 01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:18.279 call it eight oh one four six seven twenty two 2305 01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:21.319 zero two. That's eight oh one four six seven two 2306 01:52:21.319 --> 01:52:24.800 to two zero two. Or come by at eighteen twenty 2307 01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:29.079 five South three hundred West here in downtown saw Lake City, Utah. 2308 01:52:29.079 --> 01:52:33.600 We have the College Football National Championship game coming up 2309 01:52:34.039 --> 01:52:36.319 in just about twenty five minutes. From right now, we'll 2310 01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:39.680 do a little pregame style then you'll hear kickoff between 2311 01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:42.079 Ohio State and Notre Dame. It is the final game 2312 01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:45.880 of the college football season. Obviously, the line has moved 2313 01:52:46.039 --> 01:52:49.199 this time the way of Notre Dame. About thirty minutes ago, 2314 01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:52.359 Ohio State was a nine point favorite, and then last 2315 01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:54.479 fifteen minutes it has moved the way of Notre Dame. 2316 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:58.119 Ohio State is now an eight point five point favorite 2317 01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:01.479 to get this taken care of tonight. By the way, 2318 01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:03.039 I want to tell you about my friends at Overtime 2319 01:53:03.039 --> 01:53:06.359 Cards and Collectibles in Sandy one six to seven three 2320 01:53:06.439 --> 01:53:08.680 South State Street. That is the best spot for all 2321 01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:13.319 your football, basketball, hockey MMA at even Pokemon card collecting. 2322 01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:15.520 With it being twenty twenty five, you can start a 2323 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:17.880 new fun hobby of collecting cards and there's no better 2324 01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:21.000 spot to do that then Overtime Cards and Collectibles. Check 2325 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:25.119 them out online at Overtimecardsocollectibles dot Com where you can 2326 01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:27.640 buy and trade. So we've had a really really fun 2327 01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:30.479 show today. Of course, we started things off with some 2328 01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:33.720 thoughts on the Utah men's basketball team taking care of 2329 01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:37.159 BYU on Saturday night at the Huntsman Center. I was 2330 01:53:37.199 --> 01:53:40.079 in the building. It felt like the late nineties. It 2331 01:53:40.159 --> 01:53:42.640 did for the first time in a long long time 2332 01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:46.119 from my perspective. Seventy three seventy two was the score. 2333 01:53:46.199 --> 01:53:48.720 There is Greig Smith and is running youtes. They've won 2334 01:53:48.760 --> 01:53:52.239 three straight Big twelve basketball games, and they find themselves 2335 01:53:52.920 --> 01:53:55.439 at three and three in conference play, which is good 2336 01:53:55.560 --> 01:53:59.800 enough for a virtual tie now with Baylor, TCU and 2337 01:54:00.079 --> 01:54:02.880 UF BYU falls to two and four. BYU has not 2338 01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:06.279 won a road game this year. BYU is oh and 2339 01:54:06.399 --> 01:54:10.359 five in quad one opportunities BYU is ozho and four 2340 01:54:10.399 --> 01:54:13.760 in games decided by five points or less. Kevin Young's 2341 01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:16.399 got a lot of talent on that roster. He's got 2342 01:54:16.760 --> 01:54:18.680 he's got a proof he can coach, and that's the 2343 01:54:18.680 --> 01:54:21.199 bottom line. So I want to remind you that Utah's 2344 01:54:21.279 --> 01:54:25.680 game against Houston has been moved. It was originally set 2345 01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:28.199 for tomorrow, and now it's going to be played Wednesday 2346 01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:31.399 afternoon at four o'clock at the number seven ranked team 2347 01:54:31.439 --> 01:54:34.119 in the country that is Houston, and they're really good. 2348 01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:35.600 So our show is going to be a little bit 2349 01:54:35.680 --> 01:54:40.079 short on that Wednesday afternoon. But the College Football Playoff 2350 01:54:40.159 --> 01:54:43.880 National Championship is upon us, presented by AT and T 2351 01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:46.640 joining US. Now, I thought we bring our guys Shot 2352 01:54:46.640 --> 01:54:48.640 O'Connell on the Great o C. You can hear me 2353 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:50.560 in the middays to break this thing down on a 2354 01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:54.800 Monday shot overtime duty on Monday. Hopefully you're getting a 2355 01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:55.359 time and a half. 2356 01:54:55.479 --> 01:54:59.800 Yeah, yes, yes, for these twenty two minutes or whatever. 2357 01:55:00.239 --> 01:55:02.199 Going to be charging the company tive and a half 2358 01:55:02.239 --> 01:55:03.119 for sure, So. 2359 01:55:03.560 --> 01:55:06.359 That doesn't surprise me. I know how you roll, So 2360 01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:09.399 let's just right out of the gates. Can in your opinion, 2361 01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:11.920 can the Fighting Irish make this a fair fight? 2362 01:55:13.159 --> 01:55:16.560 Absolutely they can. I mean they didn't accidentally become the 2363 01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:18.840 number two total defense in the country, the number two 2364 01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:22.479 scoring defense in the country, and they got here because 2365 01:55:22.520 --> 01:55:25.680 they've been able to get the offensive production necessary to 2366 01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:28.760 get over some really, really good teams. Of course, that's 2367 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:32.760 also true of Ohio State, and the Fighting Irish have 2368 01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:34.960 a tough test in front of them. If you go 2369 01:55:35.720 --> 01:55:39.319 on paper, there's a reason that Ohio State by the 2370 01:55:39.439 --> 01:55:40.640 end of my show, they were eight and a half 2371 01:55:40.640 --> 01:55:42.319 point favorites. I don't know if the line has moved, 2372 01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:45.000 but there's a reason for it still I think the 2373 01:55:45.039 --> 01:55:46.880 Irish cover that and I think they have a good 2374 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:47.479 chance to win. 2375 01:55:48.279 --> 01:55:51.000 Yeah, it actually moved up to nine at one point 2376 01:55:51.079 --> 01:55:53.760 for Ohio State. In the last fifteen minutes has moved 2377 01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:56.479 back towards the Irish, and Ohio State is an eight 2378 01:55:56.479 --> 01:56:00.079 point five point favorite. And obviously Sean as you know, 2379 01:56:00.000 --> 01:56:03.000 you know, Ohio States has been able to get out 2380 01:56:03.039 --> 01:56:06.000 early on some really really good teams throughout the course 2381 01:56:06.039 --> 01:56:08.840 of their run, you know, and if you're Notre Dame, 2382 01:56:08.920 --> 01:56:11.159 you can't let this be a Tennessee or an Oregon 2383 01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:14.000 track meet. Texas played them better, but there was a 2384 01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:16.960 lot of self inflicted wounds on Ohio State's part. So 2385 01:56:17.439 --> 01:56:20.359 how does in your estimation, how does Notre Dame stop 2386 01:56:20.439 --> 01:56:22.720 Ohio State from starting the way they seem to have 2387 01:56:22.760 --> 01:56:24.640 been able to start so far during this run. 2388 01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:27.640 Well, this is the thing that I talked about a 2389 01:56:27.680 --> 01:56:29.560 little bit on my show and Jeff Schwartz is a 2390 01:56:29.600 --> 01:56:31.760 guest today and we talked about it. A reason he's 2391 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:35.520 skeptical of the Irish's ability to stop Ohio State because, 2392 01:56:36.239 --> 01:56:41.199 just like Oregon, Notre Dame is a man defense team. 2393 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:43.920 In fact, they are the number one man defense team 2394 01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:46.560 in the country. They played more man defense than anybody 2395 01:56:46.960 --> 01:56:50.079 in all of college football, and obviously they've had good 2396 01:56:50.159 --> 01:56:54.039 results with that so far. We've seen this watching Utah 2397 01:56:54.079 --> 01:56:57.279 football for many years. Sometimes you do have to get 2398 01:56:57.319 --> 01:57:00.239 away from quote unquote who you are in order to 2399 01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.359 match up with incredibly athletic teams, in order to match 2400 01:57:03.439 --> 01:57:06.359 up with the team that Scott I don't know, like 2401 01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:09.359 three all American caliber wide receivers, whether they're going to 2402 01:57:09.359 --> 01:57:11.560 be All Americans this year or in years to come, 2403 01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:14.079 draft picks this year or in years to come. That's 2404 01:57:14.119 --> 01:57:16.960 what Ohio State's got. I mean, we've seen that quoting 2405 01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:18.760 personal at the Rose Bowl, and you've seen it on 2406 01:57:19.159 --> 01:57:22.079 television of Ohio State even in New College Football playoffs. 2407 01:57:22.119 --> 01:57:24.560 So I talked about it a lot on the show. 2408 01:57:25.079 --> 01:57:29.600 If Notre Dames is not overly prideful and can say, 2409 01:57:29.640 --> 01:57:32.520 you know what, we need to be able to integrate 2410 01:57:32.520 --> 01:57:35.399 some zone concepts, We need to manufacture some pressures here, 2411 01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:38.079 and we need to not leave our guys who've been 2412 01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:40.560 so good on an island, but not leave them on 2413 01:57:40.600 --> 01:57:44.359 an island against this wide receiver group. Then you've got 2414 01:57:44.359 --> 01:57:47.399 a chance of confusing Will Howard, who's more prone to 2415 01:57:47.439 --> 01:57:51.079 turnovers than people really give it credit for, and that 2416 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:54.039 would be an opportunity to win this game. If you 2417 01:57:54.119 --> 01:57:56.319 lose the turnover margin, Ohio State's going to be here. 2418 01:57:56.399 --> 01:57:58.399 You give them short fields, Ohio State's going to be here. 2419 01:57:58.600 --> 01:58:01.199 If you give them huge chunks play and you let 2420 01:58:01.279 --> 01:58:04.680 the freshman get out to you know, one hundred and 2421 01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:08.920 fifteen hundred and one hundred and fifty yard game, then 2422 01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:11.880 you're in big trouble. So that you've got to integrate 2423 01:58:12.439 --> 01:58:16.359 some disguised coverages where it looks like you're giving them 2424 01:58:16.359 --> 01:58:18.640 the man looks that they're a custom to seeing, and 2425 01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:21.039 you're dropping people into his ownes and hopefully getting underneath 2426 01:58:21.079 --> 01:58:24.119 the ball and maybe forcing an interception or a turnover some. 2427 01:58:24.119 --> 01:58:24.439 Of the way. 2428 01:58:25.039 --> 01:58:28.000 Ohio State Notre Dame about twenty minutes away from first 2429 01:58:28.079 --> 01:58:31.800 kick from Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia. Game time 2430 01:58:31.800 --> 01:58:36.720 weather is twenty five degrees. We had Rick neuheislan earlier 2431 01:58:36.760 --> 01:58:39.319 who's down on site. He said, the crowd at this 2432 01:58:39.359 --> 01:58:43.199 point is about sixty percent Ohio State forty percent. Note 2433 01:58:43.279 --> 01:58:45.880 or Dame. I mean, these are two big time brands 2434 01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:49.760 in college football. The Ohio State Buckeyes have not won 2435 01:58:49.800 --> 01:58:52.439 a national championship in a decade. Notre Dame is looking 2436 01:58:52.479 --> 01:58:56.680 for their first national championship in thirty six years. Let's 2437 01:58:56.720 --> 01:59:00.119 talk about the dynamic of playing this game show on 2438 01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:03.359 Monday night as opposed to trying to go head to 2439 01:59:03.399 --> 01:59:05.439 head with the NFL. And I'm not trying to call 2440 01:59:05.479 --> 01:59:09.119 out any of our peers in sports media, college football media, 2441 01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:13.399 but the same people that seem to complain about the 2442 01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:15.399 dynamic of trying to go head to head against pro 2443 01:59:15.399 --> 01:59:18.640 football now complaining that this game is being played on 2444 01:59:18.840 --> 01:59:21.600 Monday night. What do you think of the dynamic? And 2445 01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:23.640 you think college football should just try to go head 2446 01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:25.239 to head against the NFL. 2447 01:59:26.279 --> 01:59:28.920 I absolutely do not think you should go to try 2448 01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:32.680 to go head to head against the NFL. Nobody's won 2449 01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:36.359 that battle in American sports broadcasting, and at least the 2450 01:59:36.399 --> 01:59:39.399 last twenty years, maybe going further back before I was 2451 01:59:39.439 --> 01:59:42.760 really paying close attention to it. No, this is a 2452 01:59:42.760 --> 01:59:45.239 great place for to be. You're after the divisional weekend 2453 01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:50.640 in the NFL playoffs, and you've got Monday nights to yourself. 2454 01:59:50.720 --> 01:59:54.279 I mean, Saturday night was a very very crowded sports calendar. 2455 01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:57.199 You had NFL playoff games, You had a big UFC fight, 2456 01:59:57.640 --> 02:00:01.319 you had a college basketball rival game, and at least 2457 02:00:01.319 --> 02:00:04.600 one state to this one, right, So why try and 2458 02:00:04.640 --> 02:00:07.920 go up against programming like that? Why don't ever try 2459 02:00:07.960 --> 02:00:10.159 to go toe to toe with Roger Goodell? 2460 02:00:10.720 --> 02:00:11.600 Carve out a little. 2461 02:00:11.479 --> 02:00:14.359 Niche for yourself. Make it the same day every calendar 2462 02:00:14.439 --> 02:00:16.640 year so that people can pencil it in and they 2463 02:00:16.680 --> 02:00:19.159 know when it's going to be. And I don't know 2464 02:00:19.159 --> 02:00:23.079 why people are worried about it. I suppose it's new 2465 02:00:23.199 --> 02:00:26.159 territory for some college football players, but it's not like 2466 02:00:26.199 --> 02:00:28.439 you're asking them to play on a Thursday or play 2467 02:00:28.479 --> 02:00:31.439 on a Saturday and then turn around on short notice 2468 02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:34.239 and play on the following Monday. You're giving them a 2469 02:00:34.279 --> 02:00:37.520 couple extra days of preparations. So I've got no problem 2470 02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:39.079 with the place this game is that. I actually think 2471 02:00:39.119 --> 02:00:42.680 it's the perfect one. Caps off a wonderful weekend of 2472 02:00:42.840 --> 02:00:47.119 football competition at the very very highest level, and it 2473 02:00:47.239 --> 02:00:50.880 steers clear of the AFC NFC championship matchups and of 2474 02:00:50.880 --> 02:00:52.960 course the Super Bowl, which you would never want to 2475 02:00:52.960 --> 02:00:54.880 push the college season that late. And also you would 2476 02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:56.920 never want to go up against anything like that. 2477 02:00:58.479 --> 02:01:01.399 So the last time Notre Dame. One championship was nineteen 2478 02:01:01.439 --> 02:01:05.520 eighty eight, they beat West Virginia and since then it's 2479 02:01:05.560 --> 02:01:07.359 been a ride. It's been an up and down ride. 2480 02:01:07.399 --> 02:01:11.119 Fighting Irish have averaged an AP top five finish about 2481 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:14.439 every six years. They almost won it in ninety three. 2482 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.079 They played in the BCS championship game in twenty twelve 2483 02:01:18.159 --> 02:01:21.520 and in the CFP in twenty eighteen in twenty twenty, 2484 02:01:21.880 --> 02:01:24.560 but they lost their three semi final or title games 2485 02:01:24.600 --> 02:01:27.800 in the twenty tens by an average score of thirty 2486 02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:31.079 four to seven. They have been smoked in big games 2487 02:01:31.159 --> 02:01:34.239 historically speaking. I know you said that you think they 2488 02:01:34.239 --> 02:01:36.840 can make it a fair fight, and you kind of 2489 02:01:36.840 --> 02:01:39.279 outline some reasons. Why let me ask you what you 2490 02:01:39.359 --> 02:01:42.439 think is going to happen Sean, because most people really 2491 02:01:42.439 --> 02:01:45.880 seem to be heavy on the Buckeyes even with this 2492 02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:46.600 big line. 2493 02:01:47.720 --> 02:01:52.039 Look, I think that ultimately Ohio State that my head says, 2494 02:01:52.039 --> 02:01:54.960 Ohio State prepat with this game. My heart says, keep 2495 02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:56.840 pushing for the Irish. I do think it's gonna be 2496 02:01:56.880 --> 02:02:00.520 closer than a lot of people think. Marcus Free deserves 2497 02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:03.479 credit for being the guy. There's been a lot of 2498 02:02:03.479 --> 02:02:05.800 great coaches at Notre Day, and he is the guy 2499 02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:07.760 who has got him to this place, got him over 2500 02:02:07.840 --> 02:02:10.520 those semi final humps, got him into that. You know, 2501 02:02:10.720 --> 02:02:13.319 the VCS or New Year six games, they lost like 2502 02:02:13.439 --> 02:02:16.760 ten in a row and then finally shook that monthly 2503 02:02:16.800 --> 02:02:19.479 off their back. Because of the culture he is instilled, 2504 02:02:19.520 --> 02:02:21.840 because of the energy that he brings, because of the 2505 02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:25.119 schematic adjustments that he is willing to make, and of 2506 02:02:25.159 --> 02:02:27.039 course because of the players that he has brought in 2507 02:02:27.039 --> 02:02:30.600 in this nil era, He's fully leveraging the status of 2508 02:02:30.680 --> 02:02:33.800 Notre Dame and that university and that football community and 2509 02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:35.560 what it actually means to be a member of the 2510 02:02:35.560 --> 02:02:38.960 Fighting Irish. He's leveraged that to this level of success. 2511 02:02:39.359 --> 02:02:44.479 Ohio State was a team that five weeks ago we 2512 02:02:44.479 --> 02:02:47.640 were talking about being maybe the third best in their 2513 02:02:47.680 --> 02:02:51.600 own conference. It's not like they're invulnerable. What Michigan did 2514 02:02:51.680 --> 02:02:55.439 to them can be done again. Of course, what Northern 2515 02:02:55.439 --> 02:02:58.399 Illinois did to the Fighting Irish could also be done again. 2516 02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:01.880 So I think that I'm still gonna ride with the 2517 02:03:01.920 --> 02:03:04.800 Fighting Irish. I'm going to say it's an overtime victory 2518 02:03:05.079 --> 02:03:08.800 and then we're all happy. And this expanded college football playoffs. 2519 02:03:09.119 --> 02:03:14.319 These twelve teams end in an epic instant classic games 2520 02:03:14.880 --> 02:03:19.079 and everyone feels vindicated that this expanded format was a 2521 02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:20.680 long time coming, and we find the guy. 2522 02:03:21.439 --> 02:03:23.600 Let's go to Ryan Day, because a lot of attention 2523 02:03:23.760 --> 02:03:27.399 on this Wonderkins rising star, and deservedly so, Marcus Freeman. 2524 02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:30.319 At the age of thirty nine, Ryan Day is about 2525 02:03:30.359 --> 02:03:34.720 to finish his sixth season in Columbus and this will 2526 02:03:34.760 --> 02:03:38.000 be another top four finish, which makes it for his 2527 02:03:38.079 --> 02:03:40.760 six year. Win percentage is better than Jim Tressel's and 2528 02:03:40.800 --> 02:03:44.520 its average SP plus percentage rating is better than Urban Meyers. 2529 02:03:45.359 --> 02:03:48.399 But yet there seems to be this undercurrent of Ohio 2530 02:03:48.439 --> 02:03:51.079 State fans that are still wondering whether or not this 2531 02:03:51.239 --> 02:03:53.920 is the guy. Is that just a commentary on the 2532 02:03:54.000 --> 02:03:58.359 lunacy of Buckeye football fans because they are so invested 2533 02:03:58.439 --> 02:04:01.760 and involved, or are there legitimate things to criticize Ryan 2534 02:04:01.840 --> 02:04:05.479 Day for besides losing to Michigan four times in a row. 2535 02:04:06.279 --> 02:04:08.199 Okay, so there's just something when you look at the 2536 02:04:08.239 --> 02:04:12.279 guy that's probably the excessively died just for men pitch 2537 02:04:12.359 --> 02:04:15.880 black Beard that speaks the sub level of insecurity. And 2538 02:04:15.920 --> 02:04:18.399 I think that people don't like that in a head coach. 2539 02:04:19.039 --> 02:04:21.680 And look, there's this is actually something that we kind 2540 02:04:21.680 --> 02:04:24.840 of joked about on my show with Weddell because I asked, 2541 02:04:24.840 --> 02:04:27.560 if you know Brian Dave's the Bible head coach at 2542 02:04:27.560 --> 02:04:30.000 the NFL level. He said, absolutely not. There's just something 2543 02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:32.359 about that guy. He's not a leader of men. There's 2544 02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:34.079 something you look at him and you just know that 2545 02:04:34.119 --> 02:04:36.800 he can't master that kind of a locker room, right, 2546 02:04:37.239 --> 02:04:39.319 And I kind of laughed about it, but then you know, 2547 02:04:39.319 --> 02:04:42.640 I'll talk with him more off air about what he means. 2548 02:04:42.880 --> 02:04:45.479 And he cited I think he actually sided on there too, 2549 02:04:45.520 --> 02:04:49.960 but he cited the brawl, the flag, the flag planting situation, 2550 02:04:50.159 --> 02:04:53.840 the fight that happened after the rivalry game, and how 2551 02:04:54.479 --> 02:04:56.600 inactive and how passive he was, and how he didn't 2552 02:04:56.600 --> 02:04:59.079 do anything the discipline his team or to get him 2553 02:04:59.079 --> 02:05:01.359 out of there or to show leadership in that moment. 2554 02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:04.560 And that might mean something, but at the end of 2555 02:05:04.600 --> 02:05:07.880 the day, he's a great schematic mind and he's somebody 2556 02:05:08.079 --> 02:05:10.159 that has his team in the position to win a 2557 02:05:10.239 --> 02:05:15.000 national championship tonight. So any criticisms you have, you're really 2558 02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:18.000 really midfiicted and you're really splitting hairs. 2559 02:05:19.319 --> 02:05:21.319 I know you've talked about this on your show. For 2560 02:05:21.359 --> 02:05:24.000 our listeners, tune into Sean show midday on the station 2561 02:05:24.119 --> 02:05:27.119 eleven to two does a great, great job, but I 2562 02:05:27.159 --> 02:05:29.880 wanted to kind of bring your thoughts on the twelve 2563 02:05:29.960 --> 02:05:34.319 team expanded CFP onto the afternoon drive space for listeners 2564 02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:36.840 who haven't heard it now that it's about to culminate 2565 02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:39.800 in a national championship game tonight. You like it, you 2566 02:05:39.840 --> 02:05:42.560 don't like it? Adjustments, What are your thoughts? 2567 02:05:44.039 --> 02:05:46.600 I really like it quite a bit. I think it's 2568 02:05:47.079 --> 02:05:49.640 the ratings have proved that it has helped college football 2569 02:05:50.039 --> 02:05:52.840 as a whole, not just the CFP and its games, 2570 02:05:52.880 --> 02:05:55.359 but even the other bowl games got better ratings because 2571 02:05:55.399 --> 02:05:59.800 everyone stays invested, stays involved, stays emotionally and intellectually dialed 2572 02:05:59.800 --> 02:06:02.920 in the college football season, which is I mean, that's important. 2573 02:06:03.000 --> 02:06:05.279 The whole country being involved instead of just the SEC 2574 02:06:05.439 --> 02:06:07.800 or just a big ten is what college football is 2575 02:06:07.800 --> 02:06:10.720 all about. I think the adjustment that needs to be made, 2576 02:06:10.760 --> 02:06:13.840 and obviously will be made in very short order, is 2577 02:06:13.840 --> 02:06:16.640 that the seating is just going to be, you know, 2578 02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:20.039 one through twelve, the highest ranked teams, regardless of who 2579 02:06:20.079 --> 02:06:24.760 wins a conference championship that automatic first round by for 2580 02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:27.520 Boise State, for Arizona State. It's probably going to be 2581 02:06:27.560 --> 02:06:29.720 a thing of the past, maybe even assume as twenty 2582 02:06:29.760 --> 02:06:34.479 twenty five. But look, I would go for sixteen teams 2583 02:06:34.479 --> 02:06:37.399 in this state. I could see it being a carbon 2584 02:06:37.439 --> 02:06:41.199 copy of SDS playoffs sooner than later, because we have 2585 02:06:41.319 --> 02:06:44.760 seen the money that comes with this, more people involved, 2586 02:06:44.920 --> 02:06:48.520 more television setcom more revenue for everyone. And that's what 2587 02:06:48.520 --> 02:06:50.920 these teams need right now. Because the nil era is 2588 02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:53.920 not going away. It's more expensive to feel the competitive 2589 02:06:53.920 --> 02:06:54.800 team than it ever was. 2590 02:06:55.680 --> 02:06:58.640 Well said Sean, before I say you lose what comes 2591 02:06:58.800 --> 02:07:01.880 our listener's way on eleven to two The Sean o'caddo 2592 02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:03.479 Show coming up tomorrow on a Tuesday. 2593 02:07:04.239 --> 02:07:06.119 Well, look, we're gonna do a lot of reaction to 2594 02:07:07.199 --> 02:07:10.319 this national championship game. Obviously, we're going to take a 2595 02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:13.680 deeper look at these AFC and NFC championship games that 2596 02:07:13.720 --> 02:07:16.520 are coming, a little bit of utes basketball. We're just 2597 02:07:16.520 --> 02:07:19.199 gonna have some fun on a Tuesday, and then we'll 2598 02:07:19.239 --> 02:07:20.239 see what happens. 2599 02:07:20.520 --> 02:07:22.119 All right, my friend, great to see. I'll see in 2600 02:07:22.119 --> 02:07:25.279 studio tomorrow. Okay, all right, have a good one. Sean 2601 02:07:25.319 --> 02:07:28.000 o'conn eleven to two every day on the station. Definitely 2602 02:07:28.079 --> 02:07:30.800 check him out doing a really really good job play 2603 02:07:30.920 --> 02:07:33.960 college ball ground here at University of Utah. And obviously 2604 02:07:33.960 --> 02:07:37.039 a prize fighter mixed martial arts won a million dollar 2605 02:07:37.199 --> 02:07:40.479 prize belt, and of course Bill left us for the 2606 02:07:40.600 --> 02:07:42.960 University of Utah. He's not dead, he's still alive. He 2607 02:07:43.000 --> 02:07:45.279 just went to the Utes. And so Sean took over 2608 02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:48.520 his midday slot from eleven to two. Live today here 2609 02:07:49.119 --> 02:07:52.479 at the warehouse at eighteen twenty five South three hundred West. 2610 02:07:52.520 --> 02:07:57.279 A bunch of great deals on mattresses, bases, sofas, chairs, 2611 02:07:58.000 --> 02:07:59.560 So do not go to one of the name brand 2612 02:07:59.560 --> 02:08:02.720 stores and pay top dollar like your boy did. Come 2613 02:08:02.760 --> 02:08:04.960 on by here at eighteen twenty five South three hundred West. 2614 02:08:04.960 --> 02:08:07.159 Give him a call at eight O one four six 2615 02:08:07.239 --> 02:08:12.680 seven two two Porter Larson, young man, what's your head 2616 02:08:12.720 --> 02:08:14.880 tell you? Whats your heart tell you about this college 2617 02:08:14.880 --> 02:08:17.600 football National Championship game that kicks off in the team 2618 02:08:17.640 --> 02:08:18.640 minus nine minutes? 2619 02:08:18.760 --> 02:08:21.960 Yeah, man, Well, luckily we had a Notre Dame Faithful 2620 02:08:22.000 --> 02:08:24.920 on the show to kind of give you the low down. 2621 02:08:25.039 --> 02:08:27.880 And Shawn's right, this is a game that Ohio State 2622 02:08:28.000 --> 02:08:31.079 should win, just based on the team that they have, 2623 02:08:32.119 --> 02:08:36.119 the roster that they employ. I think that the main 2624 02:08:36.199 --> 02:08:38.960 matchup that it'll post problems is on the outside, and 2625 02:08:38.960 --> 02:08:41.479 that is not a hot take. Ohio State has the 2626 02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:44.520 best wide receivers in the country by a large margin. 2627 02:08:44.560 --> 02:08:48.399 That is the case, well several years. It seems to 2628 02:08:48.680 --> 02:08:51.640 be the case. So if Notre Dame comes out and 2629 02:08:51.680 --> 02:08:56.279 plays their man coverage and does their usual thing, I 2630 02:08:56.279 --> 02:08:58.199 think it's going to be a real uphill battle for 2631 02:08:58.239 --> 02:09:00.800 them trying to keep it close, trying to keep Ohio 2632 02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:04.279 State from breaking it open. If they have something else 2633 02:09:04.319 --> 02:09:08.359 in the work spence, if they have a wrinkle that 2634 02:09:08.399 --> 02:09:12.039 they can throw at Ohio State and get that defense 2635 02:09:12.159 --> 02:09:14.960 playing on their toes rather than their heels, I think 2636 02:09:15.000 --> 02:09:16.720 Notre Dame has a chance, But it's gonna have to 2637 02:09:16.720 --> 02:09:18.479 be in that recipe and it's gonna have to be 2638 02:09:18.479 --> 02:09:21.279 a lower scoring game. Then we may we may be 2639 02:09:21.960 --> 02:09:25.079 looking forward to so my head says Ohio State. But 2640 02:09:25.479 --> 02:09:30.439 I do think if Notre Dame has any any sort 2641 02:09:30.479 --> 02:09:33.920 of a wrinkle something you don't expect, that they can 2642 02:09:33.920 --> 02:09:35.760 throw it to Ohio State. I think they got a 2643 02:09:35.760 --> 02:09:38.479 shot at it, and I think they're the team that 2644 02:09:39.239 --> 02:09:41.840 kind of is coming into this game with more momentum 2645 02:09:42.159 --> 02:09:45.680 and more of a feeling of a national champion, although 2646 02:09:45.720 --> 02:09:48.039 Ohio State is clearly the better roster. 2647 02:09:48.560 --> 02:09:51.520 As the NBA does every year, they celebrated Martin Luther 2648 02:09:51.600 --> 02:09:53.920 King Junior Day with a bevy of NBA action that's 2649 02:09:53.920 --> 02:09:57.000 already in the books. The Jazz have not started their 2650 02:09:57.039 --> 02:09:59.680 game that yet, though. There are two NBA games left 2651 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:02.640 Jazz and the Pelicans and then it's the Bulls and 2652 02:10:02.640 --> 02:10:07.199 the Clippers. Utah Hockey Club welcomes in Winnipeg tonight BYU 2653 02:10:07.239 --> 02:10:11.880 Basketball and action against Colorado tomorrow. Utah basketball has been moved, 2654 02:10:11.960 --> 02:10:15.039 by the way, in case you missed that, from tomorrow 2655 02:10:15.079 --> 02:10:17.359 to Wednesday, so Utah is on the road to take 2656 02:10:17.399 --> 02:10:22.640 on Houston. Chicago Bears officially hired Ben Johnson today as 2657 02:10:22.680 --> 02:10:25.399 their new head coach. That news came down a couple 2658 02:10:25.399 --> 02:10:27.359 of hours ago, and it looks like it is official. 2659 02:10:27.479 --> 02:10:30.640 So Caleb Williams gets a very bright offensive mind to 2660 02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:35.159 hopefully usher him into a more successful sophomore campaign. All right, Porta, 2661 02:10:35.199 --> 02:10:37.119 before we turn it over to the official coverage of 2662 02:10:37.119 --> 02:10:40.039 the college football national Championship game presented by AT and T. 2663 02:10:40.199 --> 02:10:43.039 Let's get a sponsor out there, Ohio State, Notre Dame 2664 02:10:43.079 --> 02:10:45.399 comes your way? Next, what comes our listeners way? On 2665 02:10:45.479 --> 02:10:46.720 a Tuesday edition of the show. 2666 02:10:46.920 --> 02:10:49.760 On a Tuesday edition of The Drive, of course, will 2667 02:10:49.800 --> 02:10:53.960 react to the college football National Championship. 2668 02:10:54.000 --> 02:10:55.720 What you hear right here? 2669 02:10:55.800 --> 02:10:59.399 We'll do all of that with Matt Brown, of course, 2670 02:10:59.600 --> 02:11:02.239 of X points, we'll do it with Mike Sandford, junior, 2671 02:11:02.399 --> 02:11:05.600 former college coach and guy with ties here locally, we'll 2672 02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:07.640 do it with Roxy Bernstein. Maybe a little hoops talk 2673 02:11:07.680 --> 02:11:09.920 with Roxy as well, of course, as he was on 2674 02:11:10.039 --> 02:11:13.359 site for Utah and BYU. But on a Tuesday after 2675 02:11:13.399 --> 02:11:15.279 the national title, we got to talk a little football 2676 02:11:15.279 --> 02:11:17.920 with Roxy as well. And then after all that college 2677 02:11:17.920 --> 02:11:20.640 football talk, Spence, we're gonna we're gonna switch gears a 2678 02:11:20.640 --> 02:11:24.319 little bit. I've reached out to our friends at Wise 2679 02:11:24.319 --> 02:11:27.359 guys and let them know. Anytime you got comedians rolling through, 2680 02:11:27.640 --> 02:11:29.119 let's get him on the show. Let's get him on 2681 02:11:29.159 --> 02:11:33.680 with Spence and Jim Jefferies is coming by next month. 2682 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:35.399 But he's gonna stop by the show tomorrow. 2683 02:11:35.680 --> 02:11:38.039 Hell, yes, that'll be fun. As you know, I'm a 2684 02:11:38.039 --> 02:11:40.079 big fan of stand up comedy and Jim's a very 2685 02:11:40.119 --> 02:11:42.840 funny look forward to meeting him and we'll say goodnight 2686 02:11:42.840 --> 02:11:46.680 for a Monday show. Special thank you Spencer Hall, Tom Haberstrow, 2687 02:11:46.800 --> 02:11:49.239 Josh Burlong, Scott Mitchell and Rick new Heisel and of 2688 02:11:49.319 --> 02:11:51.399 course the great Sean O'Connell. If you miss any of 2689 02:11:51.399 --> 02:11:54.159 the sound from the show today, check out the website. 2690 02:11:54.199 --> 02:11:57.479 It's ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. Download our mobile 2691 02:11:57.479 --> 02:12:00.640 app and take us on the go. ESPN sundred app 2692 02:12:00.680 --> 02:12:03.199 is available in the App Store, Google Play Store for free. 2693 02:12:03.479 --> 02:12:05.680 And then, finally, for what we do in our space 2694 02:12:05.720 --> 02:12:08.479 every afternoon for four hours, we would appreciate your support 2695 02:12:08.880 --> 02:12:11.720 on our podcast page wherever you get your shows, we're there. 2696 02:12:12.239 --> 02:12:14.479 It's called The Drive with Spence Check. Its that's available 2697 02:12:14.560 --> 02:12:16.680 wherever you get your show. Subscribe, rate reviews, saying us 2698 02:12:16.720 --> 02:12:18.560 things in the comments some of you have been mean lately, 2699 02:12:18.880 --> 02:12:21.279 and give us nice reviews all the stars if you 2700 02:12:21.319 --> 02:12:24.039 possibly can. Special thank you to our friends here at 2701 02:12:24.039 --> 02:12:26.720 the warehouse, my Guy Bedell and Tom Curl, the owner 2702 02:12:27.199 --> 02:12:30.840 eighteen twenty five South three hundred West for Porter Cynthia 2703 02:12:30.880 --> 02:12:32.760 my on side Tech. I'm Spence Check and saying I 2704 02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:36.560 enjoy your Monday evening. The College Football National Championship Game 2705 02:12:36.960 --> 02:12:39.239 presented by AT and T is next. It's Ohio State, 2706 02:12:39.279 --> 02:12:41.800 Notre Dame. Talk to you tomorrow right here on ESPN 2707 02:12:41.880 --> 02:12:42.680 seven hundred old