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Gaesy, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every 24 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:27.000 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 25 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:31.280 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 26 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:35.120 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 27 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:49.000 Good evening, from historical accounts to modern cases, explore the 28 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:54.400 captivating psychology behind these killer women, unraveling their motives and 29 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:59.959 unveiling the dark complexities of human behavior. The fair sect. 30 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.200 We've often heard this cliched expression being used to refer 31 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:09.919 to women. Although it has become increasingly outdated, the mindset 32 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.520 still exists that women are the gentle and nurturing sex. 33 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:17.680 When it comes to murder, that notion gets turned on 34 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:22.199 its head. And this isn't a recent phenomenon. We can 35 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:26.560 find plenty of female killers going back in history. In fact, 36 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.840 some of the world's most notorious serial killers have been women. 37 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.919 These female killers give their male counterparts a run for 38 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.039 their money and deserve to be counted among the most 39 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:45.039 famous serial killers on earth. The disturbing histories of notorious women, 40 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.159 from the chilling accounts of infamous black widow murders to 41 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.280 the spine tingling narratives of women who shock the world 42 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:56.879 with their sinister deeds. This anthology deals deep into the 43 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:02.319 minds of these deadly women Spanish eras and continents. These 44 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:06.560 tales of true crime offer a chilling exploration of the 45 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:10.759 darkest corners of human nature. The book that we're featuring 46 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:15.560 this evening is Women Who Murder, an international collection of 47 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:20.560 deadly true crime tales, with my special guest author and 48 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:25.199 editor Mitzi so Retto. Welcome back to the program and 49 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:28.639 thank you very much for this interview. Mitzi so Retto. 50 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:32.639 Hi Dan, thanks so much for having me back. I 51 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:33.360 really appreciate. 52 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.520 Thank you so much, and congratulations on the newest book, 53 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:37.719 Women Who Murder. 54 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.319 Yeah, I know it's been a whirlwind since this all 55 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:44.000 started with the true crime book. 56 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:48.319 Absolutely tell us about the table of contents for this 57 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.639 one and the authors in this collection. 58 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.960 Sure, we've got several authors from around the world. The 59 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:00.360 first story I'll go in order here down in the 60 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:05.759 Ditch Joanna Denihi, Cereal Stabber, which is by Charlotte Platt. 61 00:04:06.439 --> 00:04:10.560 Next up is Ruth Snyder the original Femme Fatale, which 62 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:15.120 is by Kieran Conliffe. Then we have Innocence Taken the 63 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.480 Murder of Cais a Boudreau which is by Mike Brown. 64 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:23.079 Then we have Mahin Monster or Victim, which is by me. 65 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:28.160 Then we've got Twisted Firestarter which is by C. L. Raven, 66 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.879 followed by On the Courthouse Steps The Trial of Susan 67 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:39.360 Smith by Kathy Pickens, followed by Angelina Napolitano I Am 68 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.439 Not a Bad Woman by Ed Butts. Then we have 69 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:48.439 the strange case of Kelly Lane by Anthony Ferguson, followed 70 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:54.040 by Jolly Joseph, The Kerala Cyanide serial Killer by Shashi Kadappa. 71 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:59.399 Then we have Women Fight Back by Tom Larson, Beauty 72 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:05.279 and Beast by Eli Goyanas, Annabisessto, Anna Funesto by Alisha 73 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:10.480 holland Dead Woman Walking by Joan Renner. And we conclude 74 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:16.160 with Mona Fandy, The Malaysian Murderer by Chang Chi Yen so. 75 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:26.240 An international collection. Some authors are returning from your previous collections. 76 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:27.279 Correct, Yes, yes, and some new people have arrived on 77 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.160 the scene as well. 78 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:34.920 Yes, and these stories surround some extraordinary cases, international stories 79 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:39.040 that certainly people have not heard about before. Let's talk 80 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:43.399 about your own story, Mahine, Monster or Victim. 81 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.680 Yes, this was a really interesting one. To write. You know, 82 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:51.399 I like to I guess I like to challenge myself 83 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:55.680 by finding really obscure stories that are you really have 84 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.839 to go ferret out information left and right. This is 85 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:04.639 actually about Iran's first known female serial killer. It's got 86 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.600 so many dimensions to it's just you know, I mean, 87 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.480 we think of serial killers that are women. You know, 88 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:13.759 Aileen Warnos is one of the notorious ones that comes 89 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.519 to mind, But in Mahin's case, there's just so many, 90 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.639 so many dimensions to her story, which is why I 91 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.439 subtitled it monster or a Victim, basically leaving it to 92 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:25.759 the reader to decide was she a monster or was 93 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:26.519 she a victim? 94 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.360 You're right early on in this story that in the 95 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:36.399 early two thousands there were a number of serial killers 96 00:06:36.519 --> 00:06:41.120 with very very high body counts, including the spider killer. 97 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.560 Can you tell us about a few of the killers 98 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:49.680 that you include before we start talking about Mahine? 99 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.279 Sure, you know, I was actually quite surprised by this. 100 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:56.319 I mean, I guess, you know, we tend to think 101 00:06:56.319 --> 00:06:59.879 of serial killing as being a popular pastime in the West, 102 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:02.160 as it is, you know, there does seem to be 103 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.319 a lot more serial killers in Western cultures but in 104 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:08.600 the twenty first century, just with you know, and we're 105 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.319 only what twenty four years into that century, there's been 106 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:16.319 some pretty heinous serial killers in Iran. As you reference 107 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:22.040 the spider killer Sayid Hana, I'm sorry, i'l mangel is 108 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.000 his last name. Let's just call him the spider spider killer. 109 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:30.480 He actually targeted female sex workers in Mashad, saying he 110 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:35.399 was cleansing the city of moral corruption. And apparently it 111 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:39.680 looks like his known victim tally sixteen. Then there was 112 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:45.079 the Tehran Desert vampire whose name is Mohammad Bije. He 113 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.480 was apparently convicted of raping and murdering at least sixteen 114 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:52.079 young boys and we're talking boys ages eight to fifteen, 115 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:57.480 and also some adults. And there's actually accounts that say 116 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:02.000 he may have killed more than forty people and told yeah, 117 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.920 and then we have another woman hater by the name 118 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:08.680 of well, they call him the cyclist killer, Farid Babulani, 119 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.240 and it looks like he killed between fifteen women and 120 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.839 girls and even a boy in a couple of cities there. 121 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:18.360 And then there is a serial killer known as the 122 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:24.639 Highway killer Omid Barak, who targeted women who cheated or 123 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.480 at least whom he believed cheated on their partners or spouses. 124 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:32.440 And he's thought to have murdered at least ten women 125 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.080 in the Karage area. So yeah, I mean, I didn't 126 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.519 even look at what the previous century had because I 127 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.759 mean the relevance was this story that I wrote about 128 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.039 is more contemporary story. 129 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.240 Right. The man is murdered in two thousand and six, 130 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.360 and you say, between February and May two thousand and nine, 131 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.600 five women are murdered, and the first murder there's no 132 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:02.440 indication obviously that there's any serial killing involved. Take us 133 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.759 to what happens after that first murder and then obviously 134 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:09.759 the second murder, and when there is some indication that 135 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.240 a serial killing is underway, serial killer is underway. 136 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.639 Yeah, exactly. We start out with this man who is 137 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:21.720 basically found murdered and there's really nothing to you know, 138 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:24.320 suspect there's anything going on. And then when we've got 139 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.320 some years past, suddenly there's a spate of women being 140 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:32.440 murdered and there's a there's a pattern. They're all older women, 141 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:37.480 you know. So serial killers do tend to find a type. 142 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.679 They do like their types, and so obviously that's what 143 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:43.399 it looked like when the police start putting it together, like, 144 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:47.200 who are all these women, say, ages late fifties through 145 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.159 their seventies that are being found murdered and they're all 146 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.799 strangled and their bodies are dumped. You know, there's a 147 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:57.639 definite pattern here, So they start realizing that something's going 148 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.159 on here. Obviously early on it's you know, they don't 149 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:04.039 wait till all five murders have and they start investigating 150 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:07.279 sooner than that. But yeah, there's there's definitely a pattern. 151 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:12.200 There's there's eyewitness accounts that start having pieces put together 152 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.679 about these women that are you know, for instance, one 153 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.799 woman was going out of blood at her lab going 154 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:23.320 for blood tests and you know, she's founded. We have 155 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.639 a woman who disappears from a shrine. We have a 156 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.000 woman found murdered in her in her apartment, and there's 157 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.519 just these parallels and and one big parallel was the 158 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.120 fact that their jewelry vanished. 159 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.720 And also they were yeah there, and also they were 160 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:40.720 killed with their own head scarfs. 161 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:46.759 Yeah. Yeah, So the murders do get progressively more brutal 162 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:49.679 as they go along as well, and then there is 163 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:54.600 an indication that these women were possibly drugged so therefore 164 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:55.279 knocked out. 165 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:59.679 So police are wondering how this person could get to 166 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:02.759 these victims, that they must have known them in some way, 167 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.039 had some connection to them in some way. 168 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.720 Well, either a connection or as was revealed later, the 169 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:18.480 killer clearly got these victims to trust her, you know, so, 170 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:20.759 I mean, you know why. Of course, we have to 171 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.440 realize too that Iran as a slightly different culture than 172 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.720 the West, and perhaps people are not as suspicious of 173 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:30.159 each other, you know, like, for instance, if some say 174 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:34.120 you're in one particular instance, the woman one of the 175 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.480 victims is at a shrine and she's befriended by this 176 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.720 other woman who comes along and says, oh, you know, 177 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.080 let's pray together. And you know, and it's a nice 178 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:45.799 young woman, and perhaps you look upon this young woman 179 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.399 as a as a daughter figure, you know, she could 180 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:52.120 conceivably be your daughter. And so she says, hey, do 181 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:54.960 you want to lift home? You know, chances are you'll 182 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:56.679 say sure, why not? You know, you're not going to 183 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.759 think anything of it. But that's that's how these women 184 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:01.080 in becoming victims. 185 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:05.519 Now, finally the police learn about all of this much 186 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.480 much later, but there is finally someone that comes forward, 187 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:13.919 the community is frightened, and but there finally is you 188 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:17.240 write a credible witness that comes forward and has a 189 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:19.320 harrowing tale to tell police. 190 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:24.960 Correct, yes, I mean obviously there's all the attention seekers 191 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.399 who come forward before that, wasting police time and saying, oh, yes, 192 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:30.879 you know, I was, you know, almost a victim, et cetera. 193 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:33.240 But then they get this one woman who has a 194 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:38.000 story to tell, who was actually the same thing happened 195 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.879 at this same shrine in which one of the victims 196 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:46.879 was murdered, taken and murdered. And she describes being befriended 197 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.879 by this young lady, someone who, as I said, can 198 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:54.279 conceivably be her daughter in age, offers her a lift, 199 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.000 and then she keeps pushing this box of juice on her, 200 00:12:58.200 --> 00:12:59.960 like does I have to drink this juice? This, you know, 201 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.480 refresh yourself? Have this juice, and pushing it and pushing 202 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.960 it and pushing it, and the lady's starting to freak out, 203 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.720 you know, thinking this something's out right, and she's saying, 204 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.399 please stop this car. I want to get out. I 205 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:15.399 want to get out, And finally, finally she's allowed out 206 00:13:15.440 --> 00:13:18.039 of the car after she's banging on the car windows 207 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.120 to get out. And it turns out that, you know, 208 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:21.799 that was one of the things with the with the 209 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.000 juice box being so you know, important in this story 210 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:28.159 is the juice box was drugged. It was laced with 211 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:33.440 drugs to knock these victims out. So she is actually 212 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:36.919 shown and she gives like an e fit rendering, and 213 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:40.039 later on, you know, she's able to identify the woman 214 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:43.200 because the woman had been known to police before because 215 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.360 in some previous investigations as a you know, as a 216 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:50.080 potential suspect along with other people of course, so she's 217 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:53.759 finally identifying who this who this serial killer. 218 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:57.840 Is now once they once they do that, you you 219 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:02.360 right though, that please don't believe for a second that 220 00:14:02.639 --> 00:14:06.720 this woman could have done all of this carnage herself, 221 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:10.559 all this murderous damage herself. But still they questioned her, 222 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.600 and you say that she stays mom on this for 223 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:16.960 forty eight hours. Tell us what happens when she finally 224 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:21.080 admits and starts telling police the details. 225 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.840 Well, yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, it was just 226 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.480 so unusual that they would even have a female, a 227 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.000 female serial killer, especially one that was able to strangle victims, 228 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.279 dump bodies. I mean, this is, you know, quite a 229 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.919 physical endeavor, and of course culturally they're not going to 230 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:41.720 think a woman is doing what would be a man's job, 231 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:45.960 so to speak. Mahine, our serial killer in the story, 232 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.600 finally does confess because so much evidence is found in 233 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:53.399 her apartment. She just cannot explain away, no matter how 234 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:56.519 hard she tries to explain it away. And you know, 235 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.279 of course they also think her husband was involved, and 236 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:03.240 he was he was not her partner in crime. So 237 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.360 she finally does break down and confesses to almost all 238 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.960 the murders, but she holds back on one of the 239 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:13.639 murders for a couple of valid reasons. One of them 240 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:17.600 is the fact that the victim was actually related to her. 241 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:21.960 It was her aunt in law, namely her mother in 242 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:26.039 law's sister, and her mother in law is basically the 243 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:29.080 only person who really tried to help her with her 244 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:34.559 financial difficulties. Unfortunately, Mahine had a child with cerebral palsy, 245 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:37.159 so you can see that there was a lot of 246 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:40.600 things going on in the need for money and her 247 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:44.240 financial situation. So she held back on confessing to that 248 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:48.120 one murder until she knew someone would be there to 249 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:52.519 look after her. Sick child, and then she finally spilled 250 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:53.519 the beans as it were. 251 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.039 Well, like I said, then you're right. The police still 252 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.399 don't believe that she did it all herself, and they 253 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:03.960 insist that she go along with them to the crime 254 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:08.480 sites and also do a reconstruction of the murders for them. 255 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:13.559 Yes, correct, and they were quite you know exactly, and 256 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.399 they went to the site, they had her go through 257 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:18.840 and act through what she did, and it all added 258 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.440 up one hundred percent. There was just no doubt that 259 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:23.840 she did it, and she did it on her own. 260 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.320 You're right that she became very skilled in this killing 261 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:32.320 and saw it as a business fleecing these women of 262 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:36.399 their jewelry. She thought that she was less guilty by 263 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.480 killing older women. She also learned things like putting a 264 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:44.240 bunch of objects in the front seat, so it necessitated 265 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.200 these people that she was giving a ride to the 266 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.600 go in the back, which would mean that less people 267 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:52.799 might notice the person in the back. And you also 268 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.120 talked about the killer wearing something that would make her 269 00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:58.360 less noticeable to any witness. 270 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:03.759 Yeah, she tried to be as anonymous as possible by 271 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:07.359 wearing around the chowdor, which is sort of like this 272 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:11.119 overgarment that you know, it's I mean, you've no doubt 273 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.519 seen women who are totally covered with that that you 274 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:16.839 can't even see they're under, you know, the clothes they 275 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:19.960 have underneath it, so that she's so hard to identify, 276 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.160 because all you would see would be like this little 277 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.960 round face showing you know, you can't say, oh, it 278 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:27.640 was the lady with the colorful headscarf or whatever. She 279 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:31.720 just completely made sure that she blended in with everybody else, 280 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.519 you know. But the one determining factor in how the 281 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:40.400 eyewitness accounts and whatever was her car. It wasn't necessarily 282 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:43.440 her physical description. It was the car she drove that 283 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:46.720 was a dead giveaway. It was an older model Renault. 284 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:53.039 She also gave a full confession and was griping about 285 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.759 the treatment from these drug dealers that she sought out 286 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:59.480 to get sedatives to knock out her victims, and also 287 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:02.200 later she wanted to get a gun to speed up 288 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.359 the whole process. Tell us as you do that, as 289 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:10.799 you write her misfortune dealing with people unscrupulous, surprise, surprise. 290 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:16.920 I know, yeah, it's almost it's almost comic, really, I mean, 291 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:20.400 you know, they no doubt she obviously wanted these drugs 292 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.839 to get into the boxes of juice. So she heard 293 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.519 that there was this one street in Tehran, the in 294 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.960 the capital, the Iran's capital, that you could get anything, 295 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:35.359 absolutely anything, and she went down there and she hooked 296 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:38.680 up with these drug dealers. They sold her this so 297 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.359 called foreign drug, this you know, wonderful drug that was 298 00:18:42.359 --> 00:18:44.720 going to do everything that she needed it to do, 299 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:47.640 which it was later revealed it was just stuff that 300 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:50.759 she could have got at a pharmacy herself and mixed together. 301 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:54.000 I mean, obviously they saw her coming, you know, I mean, 302 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:57.000 they probably didn't get a lot of customers like that 303 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:00.359 coming over. And then she decided to upper game a bit, 304 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.039 you know, maybe incorporated to incorporate a gun. So she 305 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:07.079 sought these guys out. Again. She also sought them out 306 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:10.359 for fake receipts for gold, because she obviously had She 307 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.279 had to sell the gold that she was stealing. That 308 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:14.480 was the whole point. She needed the money, so she 309 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.839 sold the gold, so they gave her that. Apparently that 310 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.440 worked okay, But when she wanted the gun, they sold her. 311 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:23.839 You know, they sold her this supposed gun in the 312 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:26.759 box and she wants to check the box and they 313 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.160 basically shamed her into like not opening it, you know, 314 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.240 as you would expect, and she doesn't find out until 315 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:34.640 later it's a piece of metal. 316 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:39.400 Yeah, and you're right too, that test out the poisons 317 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:42.839 or pardon me, the sedative value of these drugs she 318 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.279 had bought from these dealers. She tested it out on 319 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:46.319 her husband. 320 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:51.000 Yes, I have. I found that kind of funny because 321 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.559 he claimed he was like not unconscious for days and 322 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:57.759 he called her a devil for doing that. But I mean, 323 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:01.079 as one would read the story, there isn't a lot 324 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.680 of sympathy to be had for Mahine's husband. I mean, 325 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.079 he contributed to a lot of the problems that she 326 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:08.200 had financially. 327 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:12.519 This case veers off interestingly and it sounds a little 328 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:17.599 bit like Aileen Warnos's claim that she became involved in 329 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:21.119 killing men out of self defense. It didn't have much 330 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:25.720 credibility as details of the you know, the first murder, 331 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.680 then the subsequent murders lent no credibility to her claim. 332 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.880 But you talk about that this woman made the same 333 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.200 sort of claim about her landlord and that was the 334 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:38.799 first murder. Tell us about that. 335 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.519 Yes, exactly, that was the man that was found dumped. 336 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.960 But then again, we had this several year gap before 337 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:52.480 she started killing women, but apparently he had taken quite 338 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.279 a fancy to her and essentially was hounding her, you know, like, oh, 339 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:59.559 you know, come away with me, you know, let's run 340 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.000 off to other you know, I'll marry you. I mean 341 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:05.240 he was already married, but that doesn't matter. It was 342 00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:08.160 getting kind of it was just getting bad. There were 343 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.680 reports one of Mahine's daughters says that she saw him 344 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:16.079 fondling Mahin's undergarments that were hanging on the clothesline in 345 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:20.799 the courtyard. I mean, getting really pervy here. Apparently there 346 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:24.559 was a confrontation that ended up going He lived in 347 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:26.960 the same building, he was like upstairs, so it's not 348 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.480 like she could avoid this man. And she was getting 349 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:32.960 panicked because you know, in Iran, if you're accused, or 350 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:37.319 supposedly if you are, you know, an adulterer, that's that 351 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.680 comes with a death penalty. So this is pretty serious 352 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:44.720 stuff here. So this landlord was becoming enough of a 353 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:48.039 problem and they just it ended up becoming this altercation. 354 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.119 She killed him. I don't believe from what I understand, 355 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.680 that it was anything premeditated. It just she just lashed 356 00:21:55.680 --> 00:21:58.880 out and this is what happened, and it launched her 357 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.839 into having to get rid of his body, dumping his body, 358 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:04.519 et cetera. And you know, I kind of surmised that 359 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:08.880 perhaps she just just exploded already with the powerlessness that 360 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:13.200 she had, and this perhaps set her on her future career. 361 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:14.240 Shall we say? 362 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:18.039 Well, I'm not to disagree with you, but she was 363 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:21.599 very cool headed, very much like a serial killer in 364 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:26.240 the planning and then the post killing. She went very 365 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:29.960 calmly after getting rid of a body or putting a 366 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.640 body in a trunk, and then going picking up her 367 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:33.480 kids and acting very very normal. 368 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.599 Oh yeah, exactly. But you know, again with the killings, 369 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.160 each like each woman that she killed, it did progress. 370 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:44.440 I mean there was a lot of apparently her first 371 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:47.720 female victim, she was uncertain if she was going to 372 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:50.079 kill her, but then she just realized, well, you know, 373 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:54.480 I can be identified, and that started it. But there 374 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:58.480 was some remorse at the beginning, But as the killings progressed, 375 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.319 I guess she just sort of, you know, went with 376 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:05.119 the flow and became accustomed to it and as you say, 377 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:09.680 became increasingly calculated in the killings until she probably in 378 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.599 a way divorced herself from the humanity of her victims. 379 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:15.000 What did she have to say in terms of the 380 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.160 rationale for the murder of her relative? You say, this 381 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.799 is the only person. She said, it was the only 382 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:25.279 person that ever cared for her, aided her in any way. 383 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:30.319 And yet, well, no, it wasn't that. 384 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:33.240 It was the aunt in law. So that was her 385 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:36.559 mother in law's sister she killed, and it was the 386 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:39.480 mother in law that was such a was the only 387 00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:43.000 person who helped. That's why she was not confessing to 388 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:46.640 that particular murder. But I guess she just saw this 389 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:50.000 particular murder as being an easier target. She didn't have 390 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:53.240 to actually go out and find the victim as she 391 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.200 did with the other four women. So, you know, she 392 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.000 went there one morning around breakfast time, when nobody was around, 393 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.000 and she had her drugged box of juice, and you know, 394 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.279 apparently I guess she knew that her aunt in law 395 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.720 had jewelry in the house. You know, gold jewelry is 396 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:12.440 just very you know, it's very popular and Iran. You know, 397 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:16.000 people love their gold jewelry there, and so you know, 398 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:20.200 she knew she'd pash in and she obviously did. 399 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.799 Now, the husband gets dragged into the first murder. She 400 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.200 comes to him because, as you had mentioned, that she 401 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.640