Speaker 1: Second three this evening is titled The Children and the CIA.
Speaker 1: Tonight we'll learn of the agency's interest in children.
Speaker 2: Part of the gate program where I was pulled out
Speaker 2: of the room by a guy in a suit. I
Speaker 2: went in and did like the different tones in the
Speaker 2: leftier tones in the right ear, different, you know, raising your.
Speaker 1: Hand in these weird things they had kids do.
Speaker 3: Is the strange liquid, that.
Speaker 2: Weird pink drink, That pink drink that you're always shutting down.
Speaker 1: So to really understand what I'm talking about, you have
Speaker 1: to go back to nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 3: It's a spot neck. Nineteen fifty eight marked the first
Speaker 3: time government became involved with public school. With this new
Speaker 3: policy came identifying gifted and talented children.
Speaker 1: Who's gifted, who's talented, and taking them out and giving
Speaker 1: them different education. What that different education is cuts back
Speaker 1: to the Monroe instage.
Speaker 2: You should be hearing my voice in your right ear
Speaker 2: until I heard those Gateway tapes and I was like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: this is very, very similar.
Speaker 1: These gate programs are grooming people to take roles in society, entertainers,
Speaker 1: corporate owners. Politicians discussed the fact that Charlie was indeed
Speaker 1: a gifted child who went to a literal children's at
Speaker 1: school for the gifted.
Speaker 2: But they're looking at you long before that. They are
Speaker 2: looking at you from childhood.
Speaker 3: The Thuds have a record file on every single child
Speaker 3: from preschool to your career.
Speaker 2: Your Laxation program by Thomas H. Bodinski, PhD. Here they are?
Speaker 3: Could they and would they have just advanced to making
Speaker 3: psychics like testing for esp abilities.
Speaker 2: Go to scary places with that?
Speaker 3: Did you know anybody else that has these days?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody else in the program. You know,
Speaker 2: they have a front for a front for a front.
Speaker 2: So what are they covering up?
Speaker 3: Do you believe that this could have been? But absolutely,
Speaker 3: you're not crazy. The government really was doing psychic testing
Speaker 3: on children, and I'm going to prove it.
Speaker 2: They're finally starting out.
Speaker 3: Remember you should be hearing my voice.
Speaker 2: You should be hearing my voice. You should be hearing
Speaker 2: my voice in your right ear.
Speaker 3: Any page, Welcome back to the show. It's really good
Speaker 3: to see you.
Speaker 2: How things, It's great to be here. Thanks for having
Speaker 2: me back.
Speaker 3: Writer.
Speaker 2: Things are busy this time of year, a lot going on,
Speaker 2: but you know, can't complain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I haven't talked to you too much about
Speaker 3: the movie, but it just released the other day, Psychic Agent,
Speaker 3: the Gate Program. And what were your initial thoughts on it?
Speaker 3: Did you really like it? I mean, you're in it,
Speaker 3: so I loved it.
Speaker 2: No, it is really really well done. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know, the work you did write around this is
Speaker 2: so important because this has affected you know, a broad
Speaker 2: range of people, probably in the maybe even tens of thousands,
Speaker 2: right as many decades as it has this has been occurring,
Speaker 2: So it's important information to get out to the people
Speaker 2: and to expose kind of you know, these programs, these
Speaker 2: hidden programs that are going on and the hidden research
Speaker 2: that has been going going on since the late fifties,
Speaker 2: early sixties and continues on to this day. So good job,
Speaker 2: you know with getting this out. And I know, didn't
Speaker 2: you run into a little bit of problem because there
Speaker 2: were children involved and they still want to keep the
Speaker 2: lid on that, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought that it was going to be a
Speaker 3: little bit difficult because in the trailer that I posted
Speaker 3: as like an old NBC news broadcast from like nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy seven, that is like it's way longer. It's around
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes long. It's talking about all of the different
Speaker 3: mk Ultra subprojects on children. And after I put that out,
Speaker 3: I was like, maybe that was kind of a mistake
Speaker 3: because that's just going it's just going full fledged directly
Speaker 3: into it, you know, the CIA's interest in children. But
Speaker 3: I thought that that was really important to get across
Speaker 3: because there were several mk Ultra subprojects that were directly
Speaker 3: toward children. In all of them specifically tailored toward discovering,
Speaker 3: unlocking and study of esp and psychic abilities. Mk Ultra
Speaker 3: Subproject eighty three, mk Ultra Subproject one thirty six literally
Speaker 3: talks about psychic testing on children. We show it in
Speaker 3: the movie. Mk Ultra Subproject one O two is a
Speaker 3: summer camp where the CIA was collecting data on four
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two children, right, And like what you
Speaker 3: were mentioning several kids. I've been through this, I would
Speaker 3: say upwards in the millions. And that's not even counting
Speaker 3: the kids that were involved in these types of programs
Speaker 3: from other countries. You know, we didn't even really get
Speaker 3: into that because a lot of people in the UK
Speaker 3: and Canada and Australia have reached out to me and
Speaker 3: said that they remember something very similar. So this wasn't
Speaker 3: just a United States thing. This seems like it was
Speaker 3: spread out all over the world thing. And then when
Speaker 3: you you know, get into like, you know, when did
Speaker 3: this you know first start. And the kind of the
Speaker 3: genius part about this is in the early seventies, when
Speaker 3: parents found out that the CIA basically had access to
Speaker 3: all of their children's school records, they tried to pass
Speaker 3: this bill called FURPA, which is like the Parents' Rights
Speaker 3: and Privacy Act, which gave parents their school kids school
Speaker 3: records back. But the CIA then slipped in an amendment
Speaker 3: to FURPA which allowed the CIA to continue to get
Speaker 3: into kids school records. And then they started just changing
Speaker 3: the names of all the different programs. Right from the
Speaker 3: standard gate program, which is gifted and talented education, it
Speaker 3: turned into a bunch of different acronyms like TAG, which
Speaker 3: is a talented, talented and gifted right soon commented on
Speaker 3: one of my videos, they said that one of the
Speaker 3: programs in Georgia was called Focus, which is called fostering originality, creativity, understanding,
Speaker 3: and self awareness. So this thing goes super deep into
Speaker 3: all kinds of different aspects.
Speaker 2: That's for sure. And it's been a really interesting journey
Speaker 2: for me and a fairly new one, and so you know,
Speaker 2: this is kind of a new rabbit hole to continue down,
Speaker 2: and I've been doing such and you know, you mentioned
Speaker 2: the sub project one thirty six, that one's important, and
Speaker 2: I think part of the reason. Obviously, when you're you're
Speaker 2: dealing with minors, it's an issue. But I think there's
Speaker 2: a liability issue. And I know you mentioned that this
Speaker 2: is a worldwide, global, you know, basically program that they're
Speaker 2: studying these kids. And I do believe there was a
Speaker 2: lawsuit actually just recently won in Canada, a case out
Speaker 2: of there, so I'm sure they're afraid of repercussions and
Speaker 2: how these programs have inadvertently affected folks. And you know,
Speaker 2: for me, it's answered some of the questions I started
Speaker 2: out fifteen plus years ago trying to understand what was
Speaker 2: happening at the Rocky Mountain Ranch formerly known as the
Speaker 2: Clearview Ranch. And through all these years and through reading
Speaker 2: through documents and interviews in this it's come to my
Speaker 2: attention that yes, probably a good portion of it was
Speaker 2: unexplained phenomenon, but another portion there were some black access
Speaker 2: projects going on out there as well. And continue so
Speaker 2: and it's also answered another question for me writer, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, my sister who's a little bit older than me.
Speaker 2: So I'm nine, ten and eleven years old and my sister,
Speaker 2: you know, six years older, so she's in her high
Speaker 2: school years, and the phenomena seemed to affect us differently.
Speaker 2: And I always question, and that's true with any people
Speaker 2: that experience some of the more paranormal things in life.
Speaker 2: Some people you'll get the hitchhikers or you know, things
Speaker 2: that kind of follow them or and others won't. I
Speaker 2: always wondered why that might be. And so when I
Speaker 2: found out about the Twilight Learners and the training I
Speaker 2: went through for over a year, you know, keeping me
Speaker 2: in that theta state and the disassociation and all that
Speaker 2: from the trauma of my childhood, it's answered some questions
Speaker 2: regarding that. I'm like, oh, that makes sense. You know
Speaker 2: that when you're when you're trained to stay in theata
Speaker 2: or deep meditation, and I was trained to do that
Speaker 2: at such a young age. I think it you know,
Speaker 2: fosters being able to lose a dream and you know,
Speaker 2: those kind of things. So it's it's been really interesting
Speaker 2: to learn about these different programs You know, what's.
Speaker 3: Really interesting is when I was making the movie, after
Speaker 3: I went out to with you in Colorado and I
Speaker 3: was making the movie, I was going through and looking
Speaker 3: through all the docum because you said that the Twilight
Speaker 3: Learners program with Thomas ah Smerdinski that you were put
Speaker 3: into whenever you were really young, which is essentially a
Speaker 3: biofeedback program, you would get the same type of feeling
Speaker 3: that you got whenever you would listen to the Monroe
Speaker 3: Institute Gateway PEPs this out of body sensation right, and
Speaker 3: a lot of people, a lot of the original remote
Speaker 3: viewers and even Angela Ford within the documentary said that
Speaker 3: being outside of your body, having a national travel or
Speaker 3: having an obian out of body experience is the most
Speaker 3: advanced form of remote viewing. So within the Monroe Institute documents,
Speaker 3: the Gateway project documents, have you read through those.
Speaker 2: A little bit of it? You know, recently my focus
Speaker 2: has been connecting dots on how and when I feel
Speaker 2: like certain individuals, families, children are targeted, whether they're from
Speaker 2: military families. Certainly my grandfather and my father were Navy.
Speaker 2: So that I went down the writer yesterday, it was
Speaker 2: all day. I had seventy two pages of notes by
Speaker 2: the end of the day, just going down these rabbit holes.
Speaker 2: And it's so fascinating to me how a lot of
Speaker 2: these individuals that you hear about are connected. And Thomas H.
Speaker 2: Bedinski and Chat and Grock and all those like Thomas H.
Speaker 2: Bedinski just keeps surprising me because he was connected in
Speaker 2: ways that was really surprising. And initially when I found
Speaker 2: out that, you know, at first he was an internal
Speaker 2: navigational engineer at an Area fifty one and worked on
Speaker 2: the SR seventy one Blackbird, and that just really I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, internal navigational engineer. And then the video
Speaker 2: clip that you included into the film of little Kevin there,
Speaker 2: you know, who had epilepsy and was in the same program.
Speaker 2: I was, Kevin, can you make the rocket launch? Kevin?
Speaker 2: Can you? And I just put two and two together
Speaker 2: and I went, wow, if they're back engineering these cracks
Speaker 2: and they don't know how the navigational systems work, if
Speaker 2: their mind to mine telepath of communication with these craft,
Speaker 2: it would make complete sense that Vidinsky would then cross
Speaker 2: over into you know, the research he did with altered
Speaker 2: states and the HEMI sync and on all that. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: I really.
Speaker 3: Think that you're onto something, and I think something is
Speaker 3: going to come out really soon about this. Some people
Speaker 3: are going to really start talking about this. That some
Speaker 3: that the goal of the gate programs might have been
Speaker 3: some of the goals. I mean, there's obviously different branches
Speaker 3: for any everything. It's recruitment, it's psychic abilities, it's putting
Speaker 3: people in the everyday roles in society, high positions of power.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things. But I think one of
Speaker 3: the things that's getting ready to come out is getting
Speaker 3: kids the ability to control craft with their mind. I
Speaker 3: think that that is one d percent what's going to
Speaker 3: start coming out here really soon and is going to
Speaker 3: be connected to the Gate program. But what I was
Speaker 3: talking about with the Gateway Project document is that within
Speaker 3: the document it says that biofeedback, which is the program
Speaker 3: that you went through with Thomas Hpedinski, is really important
Speaker 3: in understanding on how to get outside of your body.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So the thing is that you said is
Speaker 3: basically backed up and verified within that CIA Monroe Institute
Speaker 3: Gateway Project document in that biofeedback is used in order
Speaker 3: for people to get outside of their body.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely in it, and Bodinsky was part of the
Speaker 2: Stargate research as well, that biofeedback piece. And that's really
Speaker 2: how it all kind of you know, blew up for
Speaker 2: me really is because when I started listening to and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not I've done the Binari beats for years,
Speaker 2: you know, but the Gateway tape specifically is when I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, this is so much like bio feedback,
Speaker 2: which is really just going through having the headphones on.
Speaker 2: You have the Hemi sync going, but you're really just
Speaker 2: going from head to toe relaxing your body. In these
Speaker 2: tapes you know that I've had since childhood. There's one
Speaker 2: particular side of one cassette tape where you're really constricting
Speaker 2: your muscles and really it's to help get rid of
Speaker 2: migraine headache, so the headache suffers out there. It really
Speaker 2: does work. It does help because you're really learning to
Speaker 2: feel and control your body muscles and getting into a
Speaker 2: very deep relaxed state. And as a child, I can
Speaker 2: remember feeling almost embarrassed because I would get so deeply
Speaker 2: relaxed at you know, like in the Pink Pink Floyd's song,
Speaker 2: you know, your hands feel like two balloons, like comfortably,
Speaker 2: you start getting these weird body sensations and every now
Speaker 2: and again I'd fall asleep, you know, And but they
Speaker 2: had the clicks going in the headphones to keep you
Speaker 2: in that data state. That was the goal. You didn't
Speaker 2: want to fall asleep and you didn't want to be
Speaker 2: completely aware you're in that. That's why it's called Twilight
Speaker 2: Learners because you're in that twilight state. And I think
Speaker 2: that's so critical and for all people, like right before
Speaker 2: you fall asleep, right before you wake up in the morning,
Speaker 2: if you can recall your dreams at that time, really
Speaker 2: really try to alter your states of mind. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a good day to day, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a positive day. That's the time to
Speaker 2: do it in that twilight state. And so yeah, absolutely
Speaker 2: that goes along with you know, out of body experiences.
Speaker 2: And for me, I think, you know, you talk about
Speaker 2: the Gate Program Gifted and Talented. I was on the
Speaker 2: other side of that, and I think that's important for
Speaker 2: listeners to know. And they weren't just pulling gifted and
Speaker 2: talented kids out that were scoring really high on tests.
Speaker 2: They were looking at the other side too. Or that
Speaker 2: was me. I was like ADHD and dyslexic, and you know,
Speaker 2: because I had so much trauma and upheaval going on
Speaker 2: at the time. My half brother, you know, he burnt
Speaker 2: down a couple of our houses. He was very asced
Speaker 2: up for furniture, divorce, violence, alcohol, like it was just
Speaker 2: an unstable environment. And so when you're in an unstable
Speaker 2: environment like that's really hard to focus on your one
Speaker 2: two three's in your ABCS. So you know, they were
Speaker 2: pulling kids like that out as well, divorce groups, trauma groups,
Speaker 2: learning disabilities, dyslexia, all that stuff. So I think they
Speaker 2: were looking at the disassociation piece because through that trauma
Speaker 2: as a young child, I can remember just leaving my
Speaker 2: body all the time, and I think that's why they
Speaker 2: were taking a look at those kids as well. You know,
Speaker 2: so it was kind of both sides going on at
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 3: Well that makes sense because trauma is a big part
Speaker 3: of MK ulture. So if you can disappose the at somebody,
Speaker 3: then you can program them and then they'll essentially forget
Speaker 3: because they've disassociated, so that you can have them go
Speaker 3: out and do whatever it is that they're supposed to
Speaker 3: do and they come back and then they don't remember.
Speaker 3: That's like the whole thing of what mk ultra is.
Speaker 3: And they do look for people that have been previously
Speaker 3: traumatized from unstable childhoods because those are the people that
Speaker 3: are the easiest to be programmed because they already have
Speaker 3: that disassociative part of their brain. They've already probably been
Speaker 3: outside of their body before, you know, and that's what
Speaker 3: several people from the like Ingo Swan will talk about
Speaker 3: being outside of his body all the time. As a
Speaker 3: young kid, Angela Ford talk about being outside of her body.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. It could be the most advanced
Speaker 3: form of remote viewing because you're actually there and you're
Speaker 3: seeing the environment outside of your body. But the problem
Speaker 3: is is that it's difficult to control having an out
Speaker 3: of body experience. It seems like it happens just randomly
Speaker 3: or through that type of trauma. So I think that
Speaker 3: that was the whole reason for the Monroe Institute and
Speaker 3: the reason that Army Intelligence and DA actually sent people
Speaker 3: like Army soldiers and people that were in this Stargate
Speaker 3: program which wasn't called the Stargate program at that time
Speaker 3: and through many different name changes, but they sent them
Speaker 3: there to study under Robert Monroe to find out if
Speaker 3: being outside of your body would help them remove you.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of Robert Monroe's whole claim the fame
Speaker 3: is that if you do this for long enough, eventually
Speaker 3: you're going to get outside of your body.
Speaker 2: And it is something you can train yourself. You can
Speaker 2: learn to control yourself out of body. In fact, when
Speaker 2: you get deeper down into the Gateway tapes, you know,
Speaker 2: and you're in Focus twenty two and Focus, you're learning
Speaker 2: to really control you're out of body experience and to
Speaker 2: actually go where you want to go for backwards, up, down,
Speaker 2: you know, visit different places, see different things, remote view way.
Speaker 2: Before any of this came to light for me, for years,
Speaker 2: I was part of a Denver psychic development group, which
Speaker 2: is kind of interesting now that I look back at that,
Speaker 2: because you know, since I was young, I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, even my youngest son. You know, you can
Speaker 2: kind of see people's ors, feel the energy in a
Speaker 2: room more so, feel other people's energy, those kind of things.
Speaker 2: So I was really drawn to go to this monthly meeting.
Speaker 2: It was every month, and it was in a little
Speaker 2: bookstore in Littleton Englewood, Colorado, and you just sit around
Speaker 2: and kind of in a safe environment learn to practice
Speaker 2: psychic abilities and things like this. And we would do things,
Speaker 2: you know, where they'd put pictures and envelopes and you
Speaker 2: would just try to remote view what's in the envelopes.
Speaker 2: And I had a really pretty high hip rate, and
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, this is really cool. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: all these skills are really interesting to me. But yesterday
Speaker 2: was really going with it because I'm trying to figure
Speaker 2: out in my mind where and how, you know, it
Speaker 2: was brought to my mother's attention to put me into
Speaker 2: twilight learners. Did it come from my half brother who
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy three burnt down our house the week before.
Speaker 2: He had acted it all up, all in the furniture
Speaker 2: and stuff inside. So at that point we had to
Speaker 2: you know, turn him in for insurance because it was
Speaker 2: our home. It was completely destroyed, and he was sent
Speaker 2: away to Pueblo State and charged with arson and so
Speaker 2: he was institutionalized really for the remainder of his life.
Speaker 2: Later in his last part of his life he went
Speaker 2: to halfway houses in Denver, but for the most part
Speaker 2: institutionalized his whole life. And he actually started when he
Speaker 2: was a young child. He was diagnosed with epilepsy and
Speaker 2: from the records we have looking like around age four.
Speaker 2: So he was put into the Chicago State Hospital system.
Speaker 2: And so what started me down this yesterday writer was
Speaker 2: I watched a Wi Files episode on the JFK and
Speaker 2: they mentioned and I'm going to butcher the name but
Speaker 2: this and raw pooh it's p U H A R
Speaker 2: I c H Purity or something. Yes, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: He mentioned them, but he mentioned Chicago, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I wonder if you guys ties to Chicago State Hospital.
Speaker 2: And I started going down this whole Chicago State Hospital
Speaker 2: and sure enough, mentions in Bodinski and the sub Project
Speaker 2: one thirty six and you know, the brain perception research
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. So all these people are researching
Speaker 2: in studying this, but I'm looking at Pueblo State Hospital,
Speaker 2: Chicago State Hospital, and in the sixties and seventies, they
Speaker 2: were some outrageous things that they were doing to these patients.
Speaker 2: And my brother has long since been passed away, my
Speaker 2: half brother, but I feel compelled. I want to know
Speaker 2: what was going on with these patients in these state
Speaker 2: hospitals because back in those decades, unlike today, you know,
Speaker 2: if you were seen as somewhat unstable or mentally, you know,
Speaker 2: they didn't have autism back in the fifties or whatever.
Speaker 2: They would just put you in a psychiatric hospital and
Speaker 2: throw away the key, you know, and would conduct all
Speaker 2: these horrific experiments, and some of them were psychological research
Speaker 2: and LSD experiments and things like this. And so I
Speaker 2: was going through I have some of my half brother's records.
Speaker 2: His name was Gary, and I was going through and
Speaker 2: I fed him kind of you know, I scan them all,
Speaker 2: fed them in. And it was interesting because there's so
Speaker 2: much I'm like, please just help me sort all this out.
Speaker 2: But it was interesting because he talked about being able
Speaker 2: to sense other people's energies, being able to see into
Speaker 2: the future, being able to see into the past, and
Speaker 2: then in the same sentence that would say, but denied hallucinations,
Speaker 2: denied hearing voices that are coming from the TV or
Speaker 2: those kind of things they were testing back in the day.
Speaker 2: So from what I'm reading, it sounded like he already
Speaker 2: had some of these gifts order to get it, because
Speaker 2: he was also put into these programs in the state hospital.
Speaker 2: So this is a whole other section I'm looking at
Speaker 2: and it's well known. Even at the ranch, the Rocky
Speaker 2: Mountain Ranch, we have this mysterious John Duke who claimed
Speaker 2: to come from San Francisco, who was part of the
Speaker 2: Air Defense Command and was also a psychologist, and he
Speaker 2: would invite homeless and vagrants to the ranch property, which
Speaker 2: is like what why, And then he talks about taking
Speaker 2: legal LSD their soldiers coming from Camp Carson, where this
Speaker 2: Warren guy says he felt something wrong with his mind,
Speaker 2: something made him walk towards the woods, would release him
Speaker 2: and he would run back to the ranch house and
Speaker 2: then this did this to him five times. Sounds like
Speaker 2: mind control to me. So through my research and document
Speaker 2: it looks like the ranch they were doing some of
Speaker 2: that there and that was right at the end of
Speaker 2: the ranch years is one my mom was approached by
Speaker 2: a gentleman saying, you need to put Katie in this program.
Speaker 2: And it turns out, and I think I showed the
Speaker 2: map to you where my mom worked in the Denver
Speaker 2: Tech Center as a computer operator for United Airlines. The
Speaker 2: Biofeedback Institute was within walking distance. It was less than
Speaker 2: a half a mile from my mother's work. So my
Speaker 2: big question is like who or what or how you
Speaker 2: know why. I think it was because of the fire.
Speaker 2: That would make sense to me. So that's kind of
Speaker 2: the answers I'm looking for right now. And I have
Speaker 2: a whole sheet now of records that I'm going to
Speaker 2: try and get. It's really difficult, like you said the writer,
Speaker 2: because when it comes to even for my half brother
Speaker 2: who's deceased and both my parents are deceased, I would
Speaker 2: still have to go to Chicago petition the courts and
Speaker 2: have a judge look over even to release his records
Speaker 2: from the state hospitals, if we can even find them.
Speaker 3: That's the thing with old records, they seem to just destroy.
Speaker 3: They just completely vanished, They just disappear, right. I would
Speaker 3: really like to do some kind of research study on
Speaker 3: some of this and find out where these programs are
Speaker 3: because I suspect that a lot of the main gate
Speaker 3: programs in a lot of schools were directly beside Air
Speaker 3: Force BASS or Air Force Bass are in the vicinity
Speaker 3: of the school, or some sort of military base is
Speaker 3: in the vicinity of where the school is. That is
Speaker 3: the case, but there's some of the MGM programs and
Speaker 3: how many of these people actually went to school on
Speaker 3: military bases because whatever some families, you know, whenever they
Speaker 3: live on the military base, I believe that they don't
Speaker 3: they have school for children on the military basis.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, they do. And that's that's what surprised
Speaker 2: me too, because you know, I always knew the Air
Speaker 2: Force was involved, but I wasn't sure about the Navy,
Speaker 2: you know, so I and absolutely they were very much
Speaker 2: involved in this type of research as well, So that
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, interesting. But what really kind of
Speaker 2: upsets me the most is, you know, they're taking all
Speaker 2: these children, they're studying them like labrats, right, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure they're telling the parents, you know, your kids special,
Speaker 2: they have special gifts. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: even with the Twilight Learners, they're they're playing around with
Speaker 2: something they don't know ultimately when it's a child, how
Speaker 2: it affects the brain. And then once they're done and
Speaker 2: you're out of the program, you're just like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: they don't take any life ability if things should go awry,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it's really frustrating to me,
Speaker 2: and it can be pretty damaging without support and counseling
Speaker 2: and follow through, you know, let's watch Let's watch these
Speaker 2: kids and see what happens in aren if something should
Speaker 2: go awry, but they don't, and that's frustrating.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Naval Intelligence, there's this gentleman named doctor Ames.
Speaker 3: He was the creator of the Ames Leaf Room. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever heard of this, but it
Speaker 3: was funded by and contracted by Office of Naval Research,
Speaker 3: where he would take these college students into a room
Speaker 3: that had leafs like all over it. You can look
Speaker 3: it up on Google. It's just called the Ames leaf Room,
Speaker 3: A and Ees leaf room. And he would dose these
Speaker 3: college students with LSD and then put goggles on their head,
Speaker 3: and then they would essentially go into a psychosis because
Speaker 3: they're tripping balls on LSD. They have like these three
Speaker 3: D goggles and they're in this weird, strange, tiny room
Speaker 3: that's filled full of leaves. Several of them ended up
Speaker 3: in the er after they had gone into this leaf
Speaker 3: room and dosed with LSD. And it was sponsored by
Speaker 3: Naval Intelligence, which then really gets into because that's one
Speaker 3: of the things that a lot of people within the
Speaker 3: Gate program or the TAG program or any of the
Speaker 3: other programs talk about, is they remember having these three
Speaker 3: D goggles. They were kind of forced to put on,
Speaker 3: like three D goggles, and I'm like, holy crap, this
Speaker 3: is one connected in some kind of way, right.
Speaker 2: And then with the LSD experiments, you know that especially
Speaker 2: when you're younger and adolescent, teenager, you know, let's say
Speaker 2: under the age of twenty two, your brain's developing. You
Speaker 2: have flashbacks, you can have them for the rest of
Speaker 2: your life. You have bad you have you hear people,
Speaker 2: you know having bad trips, good trips, And I think
Speaker 2: a lot of that is a state of state of mind.
Speaker 2: So if you're working with individuals with trauma and abuse
Speaker 2: and then you're doing these experiments on them, what is
Speaker 2: that going to stir up? And how like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not good and and they you know, I'm sure
Speaker 2: that's why you know, files are missing and it's hard
Speaker 2: to get and these programs are covered up because they're
Speaker 2: they're not going to take accountability for those folks, you know.
Speaker 3: Just and it's still happening today. I mean, a few
Speaker 3: people reach out to me. I can't identify the gentleman
Speaker 3: because he wants to remain anonymous because of scrutiny. And
Speaker 3: if I were to you know they worry lives, but
Speaker 3: I trust the individual. I know him, and he reached
Speaker 3: out to me because I was making this movie, and
Speaker 3: he said that his daughter is in the program and
Speaker 3: every single day she told him that when she goes
Speaker 3: to school, black suv pulls up in front of the
Speaker 3: school and then picks them up and a select a
Speaker 3: few other kids and they go on these field trips.
Speaker 3: He doesn't sign for it. This isn't a normal field trip, guys.
Speaker 3: I see if people trying and comment on that video,
Speaker 3: and they were like, yeah, it's normal for kids to
Speaker 3: go on the field trip, a field trip and a
Speaker 3: black suv with a handful of kids every single day.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's normal, but that's what she said.
Speaker 3: And then she's also told her father that told me
Speaker 3: whenever she gets back home at night, she's then woken
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night by those same
Speaker 3: kids from the school that she went on the field
Speaker 3: trip with that apparently live in her like local area,
Speaker 3: and they come and get her up out of and
Speaker 3: then they go outside and they have like meetings. Did
Speaker 3: you like a night school type of thing at night?
Speaker 3: Every night?
Speaker 2: That's strength It was like.
Speaker 3: Done with this I'm pulling her out immediately out of
Speaker 3: public school, and she's no longer in public school anymore.
Speaker 3: But he told me this, and I was like, holy crap.
Speaker 3: And then had Jay Widener on the other day and
Speaker 3: he said that Whitley Strieber wrote a book about this
Speaker 3: called The Secret School, which is essentially I think that
Speaker 3: was in ninety seven, I think was when the book
Speaker 3: was released, and he talked about this how people would
Speaker 3: come get him in the middle of the night and
Speaker 3: then they would they would come out and take them
Speaker 3: out all around everywhere on like a nighttime school trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. I recently, since you were here
Speaker 2: and you produce this film, since that time, I went
Speaker 2: online and I did I'd received my school records. I
Speaker 2: was in the same school district my whole life, from
Speaker 2: kindergarten till graduation, the Cherry Creek School district out here,
Speaker 2: and so I did receive a lot of my records back.
Speaker 2: I don't remember if I sent some of them to you.
Speaker 2: I might have, but you know, I was happy to
Speaker 2: see that Katie. It says in my school records that
Speaker 2: she was in the biofeedback program and the year on
Speaker 2: that was nineteen eighty, so interesting, it was a little
Speaker 2: later than I remember it. I feel like I started
Speaker 2: in the program around seventy eight, but it looks like
Speaker 2: it was seventy nine eighty, so it had been seventy
Speaker 2: nine eighty, so to have confirmation of that. But it
Speaker 2: also appears and you mentioned, you know, SUV coming to
Speaker 2: pick up a child. Now, I went to Greenwood Elementary
Speaker 2: School for kindergarten first grade, and then the house burnt down.
Speaker 2: I can remember being on the playground, going out to
Speaker 2: the swing set and seeing a fire in the distance
Speaker 2: and all the fire trucks and ultimately it was my home.
Speaker 2: My father came and got me, watched the house burned
Speaker 2: down to the ground. And then after that, you know,
Speaker 2: my mom and dad divorce, Gary went to Pueblo State
Speaker 2: and so it was just me, my mom, and my
Speaker 2: sister at that point, and we moved. So at that
Speaker 2: point this bus would come pick me up and I'd
Speaker 2: be the only one on the bus. But in you know,
Speaker 2: my my memory might have just been they were taken
Speaker 2: me to the news school where my but I'm not
Speaker 2: sure about that, but I do specifically remember at Greenwood
Speaker 2: being picked up and put on a bus by myself,
Speaker 2: but it could be could have been because of the fire.
Speaker 2: I don't know. My memory of that is kind of fragmented,
Speaker 2: I guess a little bit. But then when I went
Speaker 2: to Walnut Hills after the fire, my ld and all
Speaker 2: those things didn't follow me from Greenwood, and then I
Speaker 2: was placing different programs for trauma divorce. I remember being
Speaker 2: in a small group doing the TA for tots. It
Speaker 2: was like a book, so we'd all get together and
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, cold prickles and warm fuzzies and
Speaker 2: feeling and working with blocks and those kind of things.
Speaker 2: And it seemed pretty innocent at the time, but then
Speaker 2: if you follow through the school record, you're like, okay.
Speaker 2: And then it followed me to middle school. But then
Speaker 2: after that high school years is like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: you're on your own at this point, you know. And
Speaker 2: that's what's frustrating a little bit. And I think that
Speaker 2: happens for a lot of families. And what they don't
Speaker 2: talk about too is how isolating that can be. When
Speaker 2: you're being pulled out. It makes you feel different, like
Speaker 2: what's wrong with me? Why am I different? Why am I? Like?
Speaker 2: I remember feeling very different and isolated and alone a
Speaker 2: lot of time, Like there's the little shy katie over there,
Speaker 2: sitting by yourself all the time. Because I was constantly
Speaker 2: being put into these programs and stuff and I couldn't
Speaker 2: understand why, and so psychologically that can have a bad
Speaker 2: effect on a lot of kids.
Speaker 3: So, how was the Twilight Learner program stuff on your
Speaker 3: school records? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think did I send those to you? It just
Speaker 2: says because at the time, I in my freshman year
Speaker 2: of high school, I had a counselor by the name
Speaker 2: of Tony Ragona, and I was having some difficulties, you know,
Speaker 2: with attendance, with my learning disabilities, dyslexia, these kind of things.
Speaker 2: So I wanted Cherry Creek School. High school is a
Speaker 2: really big school of like fifteen hundred students. It's a
Speaker 2: large school, and I needed a more structured, small group environment.
Speaker 2: So they were trying to get me into a better
Speaker 2: environment high school that's smaller like a and so all
Speaker 2: these records stated that. So when they're going through it
Speaker 2: was a meeting with my mother and the counselors and
Speaker 2: that to get me into a smaller program at the
Speaker 2: high school. And it said that you know, she is
Speaker 2: in the biofeedback program. Blah blah blah. So yeah, State's
Speaker 2: in there. I was happy to see that in there.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting. So it's like it wasn't even like
Speaker 3: a extra curricular thing that it was almost kind of
Speaker 3: connected to the school and some sort of well.
Speaker 2: I think the school was just aware because anytime I
Speaker 2: went it was after school. It was in a different
Speaker 2: building in the Denver Tech Center. And the funny thing,
Speaker 2: you know, I've tried so hard to remember any time
Speaker 2: I ever saw any other patients there or a waiting
Speaker 2: room or anything. But it wasn't like that. I remember,
Speaker 2: you know, I know the building. You go into the door,
Speaker 2: and he had an office here and then like two
Speaker 2: rooms here, and it was only just Bodinski and I'd
Speaker 2: go into the one room with the brown chair and
Speaker 2: get all hooked up and do the you know, raising
Speaker 2: and lowering, you know, the temperature of the hands and
Speaker 2: hearing the tones. But I don't ever recall other patients
Speaker 2: are at the time, So it just could have been
Speaker 2: scheduling thing. I don't know. It wasn't like a typical
Speaker 2: doctor's office. Just three rooms basically in an office.
Speaker 3: That's really really interesting. Yeah, So what what do you
Speaker 3: remember about Thomas A. Shabaninski. Do you remember what he was, like,
Speaker 3: what he said to you. Was there any kind of like,
Speaker 3: you know, him talking to you before you got into
Speaker 3: the bio feedback or any kind of debriefing after, or
Speaker 3: did he ever mention to you how you were doing
Speaker 3: or how you did or yeah, like all around, because
Speaker 3: in those videos, you know, he's talking about how you know,
Speaker 3: we use They're like, we use a pro plethora of
Speaker 3: techniques and some of the older techniques and some of
Speaker 3: the newer techniques. And I think he's referring to and
Speaker 3: mixing it in kind of with Monroe because he's one connected, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And manager foundation and that. Yeah, I do remember you
Speaker 2: going into his office and explaining what they're doing and
Speaker 2: why they're doing it, and how the blood vessel vessels
Speaker 2: can constrict and you know, to relax the daw we
Speaker 2: worked on that, keeping your forehead really soft and you're
Speaker 2: you know, raising and lowered the temperatures because when you're
Speaker 2: stressed and you have a lot of tension and anxiety,
Speaker 2: and this is what caused the constriction of the blood vessels,
Speaker 2: it causes these headaches and stuff that if you can
Speaker 2: learn to just stay relaxed and keep your hands warm.
Speaker 2: So he would talk to me about different techniques. I
Speaker 2: remember one in particular. You know, just imagine that you
Speaker 2: don't have any socks and shoes on, and you're walking
Speaker 2: across something that is really hot. And I would always
Speaker 2: because I had my little bikes at the time, and
Speaker 2: I'd always picture myself walking across the street on the
Speaker 2: hot you know roads, the pavements, and it would warm
Speaker 2: up your feet, or sticking your hands in hot water
Speaker 2: or touching something really warm, those kind of things. So
Speaker 2: you know, he would but I remember him just being
Speaker 2: very just a very calming presence, very kind. It wasn't
Speaker 2: anything like I dreaded or I fear. I I you know,
Speaker 2: it was working. It was helping me control the headaches,
Speaker 2: and so it was not a negative thing the Twilight
Speaker 2: Learners at the time, and I really, you know, it
Speaker 2: was just to control the migrant headaches. But now that
Speaker 2: we pieced together who he was, and then you piece
Speaker 2: in the Rocky Mountain ranch and the people that approached
Speaker 2: my mother, and then the programs that were going on
Speaker 2: at school, I think they're all interconnected. And then half
Speaker 2: so I'm trying to just connect all these dots, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they're they're all they're all interconnected. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in this movie was like trying to put together a
Speaker 3: giant ass puzzle piece. Right. I can imagine like almost
Speaker 3: have one of those giant police boards with the string, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, connecting everything and where everything is supposed to go.
Speaker 3: So I, uh, you understand.
Speaker 2: That the MK ultra octopus, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: That's what it definitely seems like. Mm so what did
Speaker 3: so when did you get out of the Twilight Learners
Speaker 3: program and what happened after that? How old were you
Speaker 3: whenever you stopped going and how did you stop going?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: I thought a lot about this because you know, I've
Speaker 2: done podcasts before, and I've spoke at conferences and things,
Speaker 2: but it's typically about the Rocky Mountain Ranch or lately
Speaker 2: I've been doing the Denver Roswell Body Connection. This whole
Speaker 2: side of the things is more personal, especially when we're
Speaker 2: talking about my half brother and the trauma, and I
Speaker 2: really had to think a lot about how much do
Speaker 2: I want to share and why? But really what came
Speaker 2: through to me is I think it's important for me
Speaker 2: to just be open and share. Honestly, you could judge
Speaker 2: me all you want. I don't know. It's just all
Speaker 2: part of the deal as part of the program. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But for me, you know, freshman year was
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. I graduated high school in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 2: I was a mother in nineteen eighty five. I had
Speaker 2: my son right out of high school, my oldest son, Dustin,
Speaker 2: So I was a young mother right out of high school.
Speaker 2: I had him so I was nineteen years old. So
Speaker 2: for me, it was a very quick like all the
Speaker 2: childhood trauma, then the ranch stuff, then the biofeedback program.
Speaker 2: Then I was put I went to a special high
Speaker 2: school for a while that was just a smaller school,
Speaker 2: which I really liked and did well. And I graduated
Speaker 2: high school. I had my son and got married and
Speaker 2: did the family thing. So it was just boom boom boom.
Speaker 2: But those high school years were a little crazy for me.
Speaker 2: I was kind of went through a lot of ups
Speaker 2: and downs. This depression. Had a lot of trouble in
Speaker 2: high school. I really did. I managed to get through
Speaker 2: and graduate, had a family. Then I went to college
Speaker 2: and earned my degree later, you know, with help with
Speaker 2: adderall in that because of my ADHD. I'll never forget
Speaker 2: writer when I had my first and I'm not on
Speaker 2: adderall anymore. But I had to take it to get
Speaker 2: through college. Without it, I couldn't have done it. But
Speaker 2: I remember that first time I was really able to focus,
Speaker 2: like super focus and read my first book from front
Speaker 2: to back. It was such a like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: this is what it's like to be able to hold
Speaker 2: and not just be like this all the time. You know.
Speaker 2: Of course, back when I was a kid, it really
Speaker 2: wasn't known ADHD or add. It was more your kid's
Speaker 2: hyperactive and they should stop eating artificial colors and artificial
Speaker 2: sweet nerves. That's what it was back when I was
Speaker 2: a kid. So I always resented that. When I grew up,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, I can't wait to buy
Speaker 2: tricks and like the cereal with all the sugars because
Speaker 2: my mom never let me have it. But so, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. I went through some pretty dark, dark years
Speaker 2: of depression and trouble. And I don't know if that
Speaker 2: was tied to the programs or not. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure the.
Speaker 3: High school that you went to was a for pregnancy?
Speaker 2: Was the Team pregnant you No, it was called the
Speaker 2: IT Team Cottage. So the Cherry Creek High School had
Speaker 2: the IT Team program and it was just you know,
Speaker 2: I want to say, there was less than one hundred,
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty kids in the whole school ninth
Speaker 2: through twelfth, so it's just you know, more one on
Speaker 2: one individual attention from your teachers. And even my school
Speaker 2: records say that Tony were going to the counselors, like
Speaker 2: you know, Katie just needs to feel more connected to
Speaker 2: her teachers and have a smaller environment so she can
Speaker 2: focus better those kind of things, and so that's what
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 3: I was just curious because we know that there are
Speaker 3: these uh, these teen mother schools that you can that
Speaker 3: some team like that you're required to give up your
Speaker 3: child for adoption or are you familiar with any of
Speaker 3: these Like they're like really insane, Like they will they'll
Speaker 3: put you in this program when you're a teen pregnant
Speaker 3: mother and then you go through the program and then
Speaker 3: at the end they like they take care of you
Speaker 3: and you go to school there and everything, and then
Speaker 3: whatever you deliver the baby, they take the baby.
Speaker 2: I've heard that before.
Speaker 3: Yes, really really weird it's weird stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I was fortunate and you know, and the
Speaker 2: fact that my mother, you know, was, you know, let's
Speaker 2: have the baby and and so I was able to
Speaker 2: do that and continue on and went on to have
Speaker 2: four more children and raised my family and that. So
Speaker 2: but yeah, those high school years, you know, they were
Speaker 2: very tumultuous. But that could be part of the trauma
Speaker 2: and the PTSD. I'm not blaming the program, just typical
Speaker 2: high school stuff that most of us all go through.
Speaker 3: You know, do you remember when the gay program stuff stopped.
Speaker 2: Well, it went all through high school because I was
Speaker 2: an I team in that my you know, all the
Speaker 2: special help and counseling and try as matter of fact,
Speaker 2: now that you mentioned it, now that you mention it,
Speaker 2: and I don't remember the counselor's name, but I know
Speaker 2: the school did have me seek outside counseling as well,
Speaker 2: so I was doing both and that went up until
Speaker 2: I graduated high school. So yeah, through the end of
Speaker 2: my school years.
Speaker 3: So I think it's kind of important to wrap back
Speaker 3: around to some of the things that were happening on
Speaker 3: the ranch. And I know you talk about the ranch
Speaker 3: a lot, but I think that it's important for people
Speaker 3: to understand some of the things, and you don't have
Speaker 3: to talk about it. All we've done, people really want
Speaker 3: to get into it. We've done several other shows on
Speaker 3: with Katie on the Rocky Mountin Ranch and all of
Speaker 3: her experiences. But it's just really strange the things that
Speaker 3: you went through at Rocky Mountain Ranch, with the paranormal
Speaker 3: stuff and the you know, the supposed alien activity and
Speaker 3: the possibility of some sort of drugs being introduced there,
Speaker 3: the strange people being close to an air Force base.
Speaker 3: The guy that's living there is a former airport, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's like all this really stuff,
Speaker 3: Like you're not just coming up out of this, you know,
Speaker 3: from nowhere. This is connected back to things that you
Speaker 3: previously experienced, and it's definitely connected to everything that you
Speaker 3: experienced after and being put into the bio feedback program
Speaker 3: and in the Gate program and everything. So I just
Speaker 3: briefly want to touch on some of that so people
Speaker 3: don't think that, you know, some of the stuff that
Speaker 3: was just like you know, an eighty HD program. Something
Speaker 3: that's more and it's way more connected than what people
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think it's tied definitely to the ranch,
Speaker 2: and definitely the state hospitals, and possibly my grandfather and
Speaker 2: father too. It's interesting that my grandfather, whose Navy mason
Speaker 2: in Lake Geneva, had a UFO sighting over Lake Como
Speaker 2: in the early sixties, investigated by Jay Allen Heinek brother
Speaker 2: you know, burnt down the house in Lake Geneva. So
Speaker 2: he was already seeking psychiatric help in Chicago State Hospital.
Speaker 2: And if you look a lot of these names over
Speaker 2: that are involved in this, you know, psychic research and stuff.
Speaker 2: Chicago State Hospital is you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: connections there as well, so it could have started way
Speaker 2: back then. But you know, so for me and my sister,
Speaker 2: the ranch stuff was a big secret. We weren't supposed
Speaker 2: to talk about what was happening out at the ranch,
Speaker 2: and that comes from this disembodied electrical sounding boys. All
Speaker 2: the power went out in the house. It was a
Speaker 2: really scary, terrifying night. But what people need to know
Speaker 2: is my mother and I feel free to talk about
Speaker 2: this now because all the adults are since passed away,
Speaker 2: But my mom was dating Jack that she met in
Speaker 2: the dev Tech center at work. He never divorced his wife,
Speaker 2: Betty Betty had a boyfriend, John Duke, so it was
Speaker 2: John Duke and Betty living at the ranch with her
Speaker 2: oldest son, and then Jack was dating my mother and
Speaker 2: his two youngest son lived with us so they could
Speaker 2: go to the Cherry Creek School district because it's a
Speaker 2: much bigger school than the little school in Kiowa. But
Speaker 2: Jack and Betty never divorced. They were married till the
Speaker 2: end of their lives. That's why I think. I don't
Speaker 2: know if Jack was aware of the program, or if
Speaker 2: John Duke or who was being played by who? But
Speaker 2: certainly the documents that I've been covered at the ranch
Speaker 2: and there were like the strange home sounds, sasquatch creatures, UFOs,
Speaker 2: two types supposedly. I've never saw creatures or UFOs. But
Speaker 2: a lot of lights off and off the property. It's
Speaker 2: basically your Skinwalker ranch. You know, a lot of blackout helicopters,
Speaker 2: the animal mutilations. This is where Linda Moilton how got
Speaker 2: her start. So animal mutilations, and my sister and I remember,
Speaker 2: you know, oh the police are being called, but everything
Speaker 2: was very hush hush. We never knew it was investigated
Speaker 2: by anybody. We thought it was this family secret. So
Speaker 2: I bought this book right here what I don't know,
Speaker 2: a lot of years ago, and I read the back
Speaker 2: of it. I'm like, wow, that sounds like my childhood,
Speaker 2: the ranch of my childhood. And in this is other
Speaker 2: hot Spots, and they talked about the ranch in Colorado,
Speaker 2: and I can remember meeting George nat for the first
Speaker 2: time because they didn't know the actual location or the people.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, I got some info for you,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's been just And then this
Speaker 2: one where it really talks about the hitchhiker stuff. This
Speaker 2: one really was an eye opener for me because I
Speaker 2: always compartmentalized what happened on the ranch was at the ranch,
Speaker 2: but what was happening to me personally at home. I
Speaker 2: thought not connected. But apparently, you know, the shadow feet,
Speaker 2: the shadow beans in my room, always sleeping with Big Sister,
Speaker 2: I mean, these things were scary at the foot of
Speaker 2: my bed, side of my bed, inside my doorway, terrifying,
Speaker 2: the paranormal things at the house. I just thought the
Speaker 2: house was haunted from relatives or whatever. I didn't really
Speaker 2: connect all the paranormal stuff to the ranch, but through
Speaker 2: my whole life and even to this day, paranormal stuff
Speaker 2: no matter where I'm at. So that's a classic kitchhiker
Speaker 2: kind of thing. And I wonder if the Twilight Learners
Speaker 2: opened me up to that as well. The disassociation. Does
Speaker 2: that open the doorway for those things to just continue
Speaker 2: continuously affect you like that? So, yeah, it's all connected,
Speaker 2: all of it.
Speaker 3: I just think that was important to, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: talk about because yeah, when it's there's not really that
Speaker 3: the type of context, it might seem like that, you know,
Speaker 3: you were just in some kind of right, But whenever
Speaker 3: you put that into context with everything else that happened,
Speaker 3: it's like it's all it all makes sense, you.
Speaker 2: Know, deep about trauma.
Speaker 3: It was about something much more because you experienced a
Speaker 3: lot of insane things when you were younger on the ramp.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And what's interesting in the documents at doctor
Speaker 2: Leo and doctor Leo Sprinkle. Interestingly enough, he was a
Speaker 2: psychologist at a Laramie. He wrote this book, Soul Sample,
Speaker 2: so he was very much into looking at the psychology
Speaker 2: of people that have these experiences, right, you know, for
Speaker 2: forty plus years. And what's interesting in doctor Leo Sprinkle's
Speaker 2: records there is a psychic known by the name of
Speaker 2: Clarissa Bernhardt. And in the documents there's letters from Clarissa
Speaker 2: and she went to the Rocky Mountain ranch with Leo PhD,
Speaker 2: John Der PhD. In Peter van Arsdale, PhD. They're all
Speaker 2: studying the ranch unbeknownst to me and my sister, my mother.
Speaker 2: But Clarissa burnhow Heart in the document states that the
Speaker 2: activity on the ranch seemed to increase when the young
Speaker 2: girl was there, or when the young girl visited. The
Speaker 2: young girl was me and I'm like what. So when
Speaker 2: I interviewed Clarissa, you know, all decades later, she remembered
Speaker 2: that and she was psychically picking up this young girl
Speaker 2: on the ranch. So I thought that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: That is super interesting.
Speaker 2: Clorissahart, Clarissa Burnhower. Oh and just this last weekend we
Speaker 2: went and did a CE six's the thing at the
Speaker 2: ranch at the landing site. So the landing site, if
Speaker 2: anybody's watched beyond Skinwalker, this is where my sister and
Speaker 2: I were flipping the frisbee. We looked down, there's dry
Speaker 2: dirt under our feet, but there's wet, heavy snow on
Speaker 2: the outside. And in the reports it says that circle
Speaker 2: was seventy five feet in diameter, there were drops of
Speaker 2: blood in the snow outside the snowless circle, and that
Speaker 2: there were two snowless circles seventy five feet in diameter
Speaker 2: on the ranch. So we just went and did a
Speaker 2: CE six circle where we're doing the aeio, you know,
Speaker 2: and chanting in that and just kind of love and
Speaker 2: light and like we're trying to do positive CE six protocol.
Speaker 2: And what was really interesting about it, as we're doing this,
Speaker 2: the rempots going up, but we were getting these crazy
Speaker 2: wind The wind was just picking up right where we
Speaker 2: were having this event. All three times we did the
Speaker 2: chance and then it would just go calm, no rain, forecast,
Speaker 2: no nothing. It was really strange. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to the actual results of that experience at the ranch
Speaker 2: this last weekend. And we did have some anomalous lights.
Speaker 2: We'll see if they captured those as well. But I
Speaker 2: really feel anytime I go back to the Rocky Mountain Ranch,
Speaker 2: it's like it's like a download or this. I feel connected.
Speaker 2: I know that may sound strange to a lot of people,
Speaker 2: but there's something going on.
Speaker 3: There is the landing pad still there still no grass,
Speaker 3: that will grow.
Speaker 2: There, No, it grows. What's strange though, is the owners
Speaker 2: that live on the ranch now they have three dogs,
Speaker 2: and their one dog will not go to that area.
Speaker 2: Never has the dog will Oscar is the name of
Speaker 2: their dog, and he'll go anywhere else on the ranch
Speaker 2: except for where that landing site and also the land
Speaker 2: this is where they launched the rocket from the cistern
Speaker 2: and it kind of went up and then fell, and
Speaker 2: it fell right by the landing site. It's also where
Speaker 2: the folks from Oak Island came and they did the
Speaker 2: ground penetraining radar and right there at the landing site
Speaker 2: they got readings until a certain depth and then it
Speaker 2: just went completely black. So we don't know what's under
Speaker 2: that area. That's where I had my physical pains and stuff.
Speaker 2: So it was a little hesitant to go back this
Speaker 2: last weekend, like, oh my gosh, I don't want to
Speaker 2: experience that again. But for some reason, it felt very calm,
Speaker 2: and you know, it was kind of really I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was because there was a group of
Speaker 2: twelve of us there and we went in with the intention.
Speaker 2: I think intention plays an important part. So I was
Speaker 2: feeling supported and it was all love and light and
Speaker 2: positive and so, you know, I felt fairly decent until
Speaker 2: we walked over to the cistern, and then you get
Speaker 2: back into that area and the energy shifts.
Speaker 3: So, but are you friends with the new owners?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am. He unfortunately after season one of
Speaker 2: Beyond lost his wife, Chris. I was so honored to
Speaker 2: be able to meet her. She was a wonderful woman.
Speaker 2: His daughter is fantastic, and they're just great people. And
Speaker 2: that's another thing. I'm like, Greg, you know, you've lived
Speaker 2: here for all these years. They were the owners after
Speaker 2: my mom's boyfriend's family sold it. But he's he's such
Speaker 2: a tinker, like he's working on things all the time,
Speaker 2: working on the cars. He's not really focused on what's
Speaker 2: going on like intuitively, psychically, spiritually around him. But he's
Speaker 2: had some really interesting experiences. I think, since you know,
Speaker 2: it was one of those things that I'm like, I
Speaker 2: had all the reports and all these documents on what
Speaker 2: happened at the ranch previously, and I didn't know if
Speaker 2: they were experiencing that or what they knew about their property,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to meet them in person and not
Speaker 2: just tell them over the phone, Hey, this is the
Speaker 2: history of where you live. But then COVID hit and
Speaker 2: so you know, we were all on lockdown and then
Speaker 2: I was contacted by Beyond and then the rest is history.
Speaker 2: But they're fantastic people that live there.
Speaker 3: Now, that's really good. That's really good that you can
Speaker 3: be friends and be in contact with them. Yeah, on
Speaker 3: the property. So that's really nice of them, Katie. Anything
Speaker 3: else that you wanted to bring it up about the movie,
Speaker 3: anything else that we didn't cover that you would like
Speaker 3: to cover, Any research that you've recently discovered that we
Speaker 3: did not get to cover.
Speaker 2: I would just like to thank you again, writer, because
Speaker 2: it's an important topic for you know, thousands of people
Speaker 2: that have been affected by these programs, and I think
Speaker 2: it's about time to have these conversations with these kids
Speaker 2: that can sometimes sometimes feel isolated or different or you know,
Speaker 2: whether it's gifted or talented or the other side where
Speaker 2: you're struggling a little bit. Everybody has their own unique
Speaker 2: talents and gifts, and it's important to just be open
Speaker 2: and talk about what's real. You know, we live in
Speaker 2: such a world that everything is even I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't want to bring this topic up, but Charlie Kirk
Speaker 2: and the Syops, the Syops world we're living in. I
Speaker 2: want truth. I want truth and transparency in this thing.
Speaker 2: So I really commend you for for going, you know,
Speaker 2: bringing this forward. It's important and I got to be
Speaker 2: courageous and do the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Charlie Kirk was also in the in the program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: He was in this place called QUEST. I mean it
Speaker 3: was renamed, well, it used to be called Creative Children's
Speaker 3: Academy and now it's renamed Quest Academy and it was
Speaker 3: renamed in nineteen nuety nine and still still in operation.
Speaker 3: And this is an entire school. This isn't just a
Speaker 3: class Yeah, this is a Gifted and Talented date school
Speaker 3: where all the kids inside of the school are gifted
Speaker 3: and talented, identified as gifted and talented kids. Well, that's
Speaker 3: even different than just being pulled out of the classroom
Speaker 3: every day. This is an entire school dedicated to gifted
Speaker 3: and talented people. And you can just look up a
Speaker 3: QUEST school on Google and go read their website.
Speaker 2: Right, it's so hard. I mean, the world we're living
Speaker 2: in now is really difficult. To be in a household
Speaker 2: where both parents don't need to work. It's so hard
Speaker 2: to be super involved in your children's education, but especially
Speaker 2: if they're in these special schools or public education, you
Speaker 2: really need to take her look at you know, what
Speaker 2: it is your children are being taught, and especially if
Speaker 2: they're being pulled out for any type of programs, what
Speaker 2: exactly is going on?
Speaker 3: You know? So it's hard to keep track of all that.
Speaker 3: People are so busy and get it. I mean they
Speaker 3: got a lot on their plate, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my mom. She was a single mom,
Speaker 2: you know, raising us girls and worked and she didn't
Speaker 2: have time to know. I'm sure they said, hey, we're
Speaker 2: going to be doing this. She's got great signed off
Speaker 2: on it, and that was it. I'm not blaming my mom,
Speaker 2: but you know.
Speaker 3: Please check out the documentary if you haven't already, Psychic
Speaker 3: Agent the Gay Program. The link is in the description.
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Speaker 2: Hey can find me at Rocky Mountain ranchresearch dot org
Speaker 2: or Katie Page and that's p a i g. E.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Katie. The links to her information
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