Speaker 1: The paranormal UFOs, monsters, mysteries. As you're listening to Talking
Weird and now from a Kevin deep in the northwards
your host, doctor.
Speaker 2: Dean Bertram, good evening, or my fellow widows and weird ds,
welcome to Talking Weird on the Untold Radio Network. I'm
your host, Dean Bertram, and as always un delighted that
you've decided to spend the next hour or so of
your life with me, whether you're watching a live at
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watching to the show after that time, whether on one
of those platforms where the show's archived, or perhaps on
one of the many podcast platforms where the audio only
version of the show always drops the next day. So
greetings wherever you are on this wonderfully weird planet up
here in the Northwoods. Obviously, we're only a couple of
days from the fourth of July, one of my favorite
holidays of the year. I hope everybody has who celebrates
is looking forward to this long holiday weekend. If you
want to, maybe put in the comments what you're up to.
If you're in these United States, of America. You're going
to parade like I will be with my daughter and
then having perhaps family and friends over, like I am
with my wonderful girlfriend and with some of her family,
which will be a great night. Will have a fire
and do fireworks and all the usual good Americana stuff. Anyway,
have a wonderful weekend. If I don't talk to you
again before then, speaking about the people I'm going to
be hanging out with this weekend. Tonight's guest is a
filmmaker who was born and raised in the Badge Estate
in the vicinity of the small north central Wisconsin city
of Warsaw. The city is still surrounded by farms, fields
and forests and is the home to all kinds of legends, cryptids,
UFO sidings, and haunted locations. So I am delighted to
welcome back to Talking Weird, my filmmaking partner and gorgeous girlfriend,
Samantha Crousey. Hey, gorgeous, how are you doing? That was
a very little utterance. How would you do?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 2: Well, that's good. You knock something over? Or was it
your dog attacking your dog downstairs?
Speaker 4: He was up here.
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to tonight's show. Our very good friend. Ian,
even from Alien, Wisconsin, just said, this is so cool
to put Samantha on. So he's helped us a number
of times. He went into the cabin world. We were
filming a part of the documentary for the man who
invented flying sorcers. So greetings, Ian, it's great to see
you there and everybody else who is in the chat. Yeah.
So we're going to be talking tonight about our new
little web series. Do you want to give it? Do
you want to give it? A bit of a pitch?
Speaker 4: You can pitch it.
Speaker 2: I want I want to I want to put the
pressure on you to.
Speaker 4: Pitch pressure on me.
Speaker 2: You do have to put up with it.
Speaker 4: That's true, and that's not fair to say it's really fun.
I'm not putting up with it.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, pitch it. Somebody's yelling at you, Bob,
I'm going to have to with you, don't. It's a
it's it's I guess it's part found footage movie, part
paranormal documentary, and it's a home movie legend trip. So
it's a show. Sam and I came up with the
idea of when we were at a UFO conference down
South showing our short documentary The Shavin Mystery, where we
were presenting that and we became aware I don't know
even I don't even know what the impetus of it
really was, but we just had this idea to make
something that looked very different to everything else out there,
and to kind of package it like it's a found footage.
You know what I can do, what I will do
for people. Actually, I'm going to play the first few
minutes of the first episode. I'm not going to play
any more than that, maybe three minutes, so it'll give
people a sense of what we're talking about, and then
you can go and watch the whole episode for free
on YouTube. This is the pilot. The next episode drops
on Sunday, and the next episode will drop the week
after that and so on. So yeah, I'm just gonna
what do you think we play this now? Okay, I'm
gonna put it up and I'm gonna minimize us.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's see.
Speaker 2: A friend.
Speaker 4: So here we are.
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 4: Lake Barbo.
Speaker 6: This is m legend you might have heard about Wisconsin's
very own ware one. We've been terrorizing southeastern Wisconsin for
the better part of one hundred years. The farmfields along
Gray Road where I grew up a few miles away
from town on the eltskirts, where it's very unware.
Speaker 2: One you can go to the parkield.
Speaker 6: Carrying Hildford wine coolers, axes, twenty two caliber weapons. Two
attempts to win glory for ourselves legendary status being the
one to finally, seventy years on capture the legendary Beast
of Bray Road. There were good, all right?
Speaker 4: What do we have to despond to Bray Road? Zach?
Speaker 2: You see here?
Speaker 4: Can you tell me a little bit about the Beames
of Bray Road?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 7: The Beast of Bray Road is a legend from southeastern
Wisconsin by Elkhorn, Wisconsin. And what people have been seeing
on that road is what they describe as kind of
a werewolf creature. And it's become the Beast of Bray
Road since then, and sightings have gone back to at
least the nineties and even beyond that, and there's been
books written about the creature and sightings are ongoing today.
Speaker 4: This is a like a what I don't see it.
Speaker 8: Wind a god for receive reports of people traveling down
a small.
Speaker 3: Stretch of road called Bray Road. It's only about a
five mile stretch out in the country, and they reported seeing,
for a lack of a better term, a werewolf. This
giant biped running upright on his hind legs like you
and I, and it was somewhere between five and eight
feet tall, covered in thick, matted down fur, had the
long muzzle and the fangs and the claws, something old
of a Hollywood horror movie.
Speaker 2: So that's the first few minutes of the pilot episode
of Home Movie Legend Trip, which I think is one
of the most fun things I've ever shot. I'm having
so much fun making this with you, like a blast
making see. Yeah, And I'd love anybody who's interested to
go watch the whole episode. You can go to you
can find it on YouTube, probably just by searching it,
or you can just go to home movie Legend Trip
dot com, which is both mine Sam's signature on screen
if you're watching it, and also that will also be
in the show notes and you can just click through.
Had some people who've already watched it say lovely things.
David Leenhart, who's a big supporter, said he really enjoyed
the first episode. Ian who we mentioned before, said it's
great and fun. Bob also said he loves the VHS
snow so comforting and nostalgia. And we have our first
question and it's from Ian Stephen who from Alien Wisconsin again,
who asked, is it being filmed with an old camera?
That's a very good question. It's being filmed by a
number of cameras specifically too. Did you want to talk
a little bit about the first camera we started to use,
the camp Snap?
Speaker 4: Is that what it's called camp Snap?
Speaker 2: It's the camp Snap, that's right, Yeah, little.
Speaker 4: I don't even know because I don't know my cameras.
But you said you used to have what the old
school won back in the day. Yeah, it's a smarter
version of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically it's a wonderful little camera. In fact,
I know David Leonhard's in the chat and we tested
it at the festival we run, Midwest Weird Fest. We
just bought one so the audience and filmmakers could play
with it and we get some cool footage which we
can use for a trailer when we launched the festival
next year. But it looks like an old super eight
millimeter camera, the type I was raised on as a kid,
with like a pistol grip, and it has very basic
basic functions like a you know, a button for wide
and telescope you have to to widen tell a photo
rather and you have to squeeze the trigger like you
do with a Super right. So if you're not squeezing
the trigger, it's not shooting, it's not filming. And it
has some other minor you know attachments. Minor well, it's
a minor attachment. We put an external microphone on it.
But it has some other minor adjustments, like you can
change the look of it a little bit. You can
also change the aspect ratio. We're shoot in four to
three because that's that's that was the native aspect for
Super eight, and I think it was in many ways
that camp snap camera. And it's not it's affordable camera.
It's like two hundred bucks, and it was the whole
idea was it's meant to look like Super eight footage.
It doesn't actually look anything like film. What it does
look like, though, and does a very convincing job of
looking at looking like is nostalgic footage shot in the
eighties or the nineties on old you know camcorders, and
it looks miraculously like that, and so I think I
think that's what gave us the idea. Right, we were
playing with this camera and we were like, this would
be a perfect movie to make a found footage type
documentary on. Is that about right? And the first thing
we shot was the Beast of Bray Roadway because we
were down to the south of the state anyway. And
then though as we've shot a number of other episodes since, which,
as I mentioned before, the next one will drop this Sunday.
But to answer Ian's question, we also then bought a
vintage secondhand Sony camcorder because when we're shooting nights, we
needed to have that old night vision look. You know
that everybody's used to played with a Sony handicam back
in the nineties, you know that that green night vision.
It's essentially infrared camera. It just shoots infrared light and
then we have some additional infrared light that we can
use to make it make it look look more creepy
and more spooky. So we've shot three so far, and
we will give a spoil of it. We're not going
to give boilers to the ending of them. For people
who have bothered to watch this, they can know what
they will are. So the first one is the Beast
of Brain Road. What's the second one? Egg? And talk
a little bit about our experiences to shooting the Hodegg one.
Speaker 4: But it was fun. I think. I think the people
in the excitement there was really cool. That was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 2: So where did we shoot? Where do we shoot it? Yeah?
Set the whole saying okay.
Speaker 8: So we're at the hod Egg Festival, not the music festival,
the hold Egg Festival, but it's what is the museum?
Then to the there's the museum there and the curator
was there and they set up this huge It was
a lot of fun. They had just several speakers. Then
what else we did the with the kids, we had
the little we had to find the whole egg. It
was very fair, family oriented, very fun, very very very cool.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: I liked to the experience of a lot of fun. Kerry,
the curator of the museum who was there, who also
runs a festival is Kerry Blowdoor and he runs it
with Ben Brunnell, who is the owner of the hod
Egg store in town, who very kindly let us stay
in the House of the hod Eggs, which is right
behind the hod Egg Store, and it's his gorgeous guest
house which is just painted green various shades, and it's
just loaded with every Hodagg decoration and toy and memorabilia
thing you could imagine. Literally is a house of Hodaggs,
as must I don't know how how many hold Eggs
do you think are in there, either as stuffies or.
Speaker 4: Art or painting every rooms. At least at least ten
to fifteen.
Speaker 2: At least there's a lot.
Speaker 4: At least.
Speaker 8: The whole thing was so called, and you can tell,
like the entire city is you're just so e golfed
in this like everything is just hold Hold, hold Egg.
Speaker 4: But where we stayed was just like absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: And they had the hod Egg Heritage Festival, so again
you'll be able to watch. That's all right, that's what
it's called. You said the hod Egg. It's the Hota
Careage Festival, and there's no big difference, but it's a
festival that celebrates this kind of I suppose I don't
want to give too much away. A cryptozoological type creature.
It's a creature which came out of always first recorded
in Legends of Lumberjacks in the North Woods. And Chad
Lewis who is but in the one you just watched,
I watched a part of the Beast of Prey Road episode.
He's also in the Hodig episode, as is Kevin Lee Nelson.
He Chad collected a lot of these old Northwoods legends,
various monsters in a wonderful book that I can't remember
the titlet something like Northwoods Creatures or something. But if
you look up Chad Lewis got his website, you'll be
able to find it. But there were books back in
the nineteenth century or early twentieth century which were essentially
beastories of these creatures as well. And the Hodagg was
one of many creatures which was reported to live in
the north Woods of the United States of America. And
the Hodagg became significantly famous and attached to ryan Lander
because of the efforts of somebody called Jean Shepherd who
claimed to have caught one and then put the thing
on display. So ryan Land ever since, for like one
hundred years or something, has the Hodagg is the town's
I guess, like mascot when your kid plays when when
when your son plays baseball and plays Ryan Lander, right,
the team's called do you like the hod Eggs.
Speaker 8: No, I mean no, I like the atmosphere. I like
the whole, the whole status. But it was fun and
it was a great trip and I loved everybody.
Speaker 4: No, I'm never gonna have.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: David's been to the hod egg Store as well. He
says it's incredible and we love to see inside the house.
There's a little bit of inside the house in the
next episode, David, So you'll be to see that on Sunday.
But you should if you ever go to Ryanlander again,
you can book that as an Airbnb. I think I
don't know if it's on Verbo and Airbnb. It's certainly
on Airbnb you.
Speaker 4: Can, so I think they're I thought he said they.
Speaker 2: Were on Probably. I think you can just go to
the hod egg Store or the House of thehod Eggs.
Got dot com or something. Even if you just google
the House of the hold Eggs or hod egg Store,
you'll be able to click through and find it. And
Bob Anton says you could do an ed Gaen episode. Bob,
I'd be lying if I said we had. Well, we've
talked a little bit about it, so we probably will.
We probably will do an ed Green episode. So and
that one's I think that's a really fun episode. It's
very different in tone. It still is like it all
is everything shot like it's found footage, really, but it's
it's much lighter in tone than the pilot. The Beast
of Bray road plays more like a kind of you know,
I don't know, a road trip horror movie. This one
is it's more fun where it's at a festival, it's
in a store. It's also us doing other things, but
it's the ending is quite and the ending is quite moving.
I think of the wod eg one without giving it away,
that's much different different. We have a number that's planned
that we're still shooting going forward, and maybe we'll talk
about one of those in a minute. But we've shot
one other one which will be coming out the week
after next and that is one we shot at a
special invite, only ce five of them.
Speaker 4: It took us like a year to find.
Speaker 2: It took us a year to find.
Speaker 4: Did you say you remember how it took us to
get there?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the location was undisclosed as well, and so
we couldn't find it. And then eventually, through the help
of the wonderful Melissa Kine, and Zach the host. They
guided us into this nondisclosed and it was in a
gorgeous location. So what CE five. For the listeners who
don't know what C five is, maybe talk about what
because otherwise I'm just talking.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it when you talk, You're good.
Speaker 2: So what C five.
Speaker 4: Encounters of the fifth kind?
Speaker 2: Close encounters of the fifth time, that's what it stands for,
because most people are aware of close encounters of the
third comes. Yes, well obviously because of the sorry, because.
Speaker 4: Of your movie. Yes, but the fifth kind is when
you are calling them in, you are talking to them and.
Speaker 2: Bringing them exactly. It's human initiated contact. So I'm aware
of C five events, I'm aware of the C five movement.
Speaker 4: I'm not aware of this until this.
Speaker 2: It's funny though, and I don't want to spoil anything
about because it's it's still a couple of weeks away.
But it's very clear in the cut that you have
a skepticism. But by the end of that, I don't
think you're skeptical. You're excited by the end of it.
So it's so clear on its.
Speaker 8: More exciting, Yes, but I still have my thoughts on it.
But yes, yes, it was a little bit more like, oh,
that's crazy, that's weird.
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe it does work, because we won't go into
it because that won't spoil it too much. But so
after the protocols or the people who were there, because
we were just there really filming, we weren't really participants,
but after the people who were involved had done their ritual,
and then there was which I thought was a cool
and clever idea of Zach the host. He was influenced
by not just Close Encounters of the Third Kind, but
apparently that film itself, according to Zach, had been influenced
by another study he's read about where people in France
initiated back in the seventies, or tried to initiate back
in the seventies contact with ets through music and through
essentially a light show. And that is for everybody who
is probably interested in this has seeing Close Encounters of
the Third Kind. Apparently that's where the idea came from
at the end, where it saw this kind of you know,
light and music display to call in the extraterrestrials in
that Spielberg movie. But apparently there was a group in
France that had done this with some success in the
nineteen seventies, So not every SEC five contact event is
going to have music and you know, light strobing the sky,
although I do think flashing the sky with you know,
torches and lasers and things is quite common, but this
was like a laser light show and you know, almost
a ravy event really. I mean it wasn't big like,
but it had a bit of a ravy feel. And
it was in this gorgeous property like we when we
drive in, as anyone who watches the episode in a
few weeks will see, Like when you're at the road,
you can't see it's just woods. You have to drive
in around this windy row that takes you back into
the property itself, and it's just I don't know, like
a clearing of maybe a couple of ages is just
surrounded by really tall trees, like I think the trees.
It's just like this tiny little maybe an acre then
of clear land maybe, but it's gorgeous and just really
tall trees surrounding like some of that stuff looked like
it was old growth like it was. Those were big
trees there, and what what else did you find of
interest there? Without any things which might be in the
in the show, Well, what about the forest stuff that
that's not in the episode actually, because that's not really
something you can convey.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 8: When he was talking about well, he said many things,
like the things that they would see before.
Speaker 4: He did say after the whole.
Speaker 8: Ceremony and everything was going on, that they normally would
see things in the forest, but the lights might have
missed that. We would not have seen him because of
all the lights. But then he was also talking about
my made having a tall mental block.
Speaker 2: I think I think he had a problem with the lights. Well,
what he mentioned the lights is because there were lights
and they don't always have them. He said, the fireflies
that aren't fireflies in other words, something perhaps from you know,
the very real said you would't see him because of
and he's like, you made have missed out on that,
But he said the feeling was still coming and you
could still feel the the energy.
Speaker 4: But then the different portals he was talking about the portals.
Speaker 8: There was two different portals that he himself has found
on the property within the woods, they believe. He said, yeah,
there's a lot of crazy stuff going on there.
Speaker 2: We could almost go back there and do another one
on the forest. Because he talked about having interactions with
gnome like creatures as well. And anyone who watches this
show ree he knows that the fair folk, the other crowd,
the fairies, the good neighbors, whatever you might call them,
is a particular interest to me. It's one of the
it's one of the I suppose forty and phenomenon that
I'm most interested in, and I feel is most is
most worthy of exploration. It's been something that's been with
us for so long, this idea of these other the
other species, which is like us but not us. It
inhabits the same space with us sometimes but also goes
to the other side. So the fact that that that
land is meant to be known for this type of phenomenon,
that's that's fascinated me.
Speaker 8: While we were there, I wouldn't know more of the
history on that property though, because he was going kind
of into it.
Speaker 4: I don't think we got the full story. And there's
more to it than what we got out of it.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I think we could go back and
do another one. Because it's a short format show. I mean,
you can't. It's not really enough space to do the
UFOs and the the history of the woods and the
other crowd that live in there, but you could go
back there. Maybe it's something we need to talk to
Zach about doing one on that. That'd be a lot
of fun, actually, so, I think before we had squatch
Mo asked do you attend the one in Madison? No,
I haven't been to or the two? Did you to
attend the one in Madison? I haven't been to a
Sea father that in Madison. I bet you some of
the people there have been to it, though, And I
wouldn't be at all surprised if Ian Stevens, who's in
the who was in the chat before, has been to
one in Madison either, because I know he's from the
south of the state, that kind of that kind of area.
What else? What else do you want to do?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What the great thing about this is I don't think
we're ever going to run out of subjects. As long
as people find the show interesting and we get an audience,
I think this is something we can do essentially. But
are there other things? Bob Antone mentioned ed Gan before,
which isn't too far from us at all. What else
are you interested in?
Speaker 4: I want you so that scarier like the hide Behind
I like to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just need a good interview subject when we
do that one. Maybe, Yeah, Chad Lewis would be great
on the hide Behind.
Speaker 4: I think we I think some step up North too,
just because I like being at North. So that'd be
a fun road trip.
Speaker 8: And there's a lot we could look into that I
probably don't even know about, but talking to locals speak
it easily.
Speaker 4: It'd be fun.
Speaker 2: That would be fun. Bob and Tone suggested back room,
which isn't a bad idea given that that building is
I think it's in Oshkosh, so that's not too We
we just have to work out how we could how
we could do an interesting one around that. I'm not
sure if you could get if they give us access
to going to the actual building. It's been remodeled. I
think since there were the photo was taken of that,
you know, that liminal space, which became an Internet sensation
and then gave birth I guess to the film that
was a hit earlier this summer. But yeah, that's a
great idea, Bob, back rooms is a great idea. Oh
and Ian said, yes he has been to those ones
Squatch Mama that we were talking about before the two
See five events in Madison. I know we have we
have one coming up I'm really looking forward to shooting,
and that's the one in Elmwood, the UFO Elmwood one,
because in the last week in last weekend in July,
you and I were both going to Elmwood anyway, because
we're screening my short documentary which is part of the
feature which Sam's producing as well, the man who invented
flying sources. But the standalone is just called The Shaver
of Mystery, and I'm presenting that. Sam will be there
as well as she always is to present it with
me and to we'll ask that we'll be a for
questions afterwards. Plus I'll do my little Shaver Part Mystery,
Part two presentation. But we're doing that at the Elmwood
UFO Days event, which is the last weekend in July,
and it's a town in Wisconsin to the west of
US right. I think he has a long history of
UFO sidings and had some particularly notable UFO sidings back
in the nineteen seventies, and they have this wonderful event
there where they have speakers and they also do this massive,
this massive UFO parade through town and Jeremy Soka, I'm
probably mispronouncing his name again, even though I had him
on the show a few weeks ago. He's written a
wonderful book called uf Elmwood, which is about the UFO
phenomenon in Elmwood. In fact, at the event we were
just at, we met the state director of moufon was
at it and he was wearing Jeremy's podcast t shirt,
the Infinite rabbit Hole t shirt. But anyway, thanks to Jeremy,
I was invited to speak there. So when we go
to UFO Elmwood will be I'm assuming visiting some of
the sites which are attached to some of the more
prominent UFO events that have happened there. It's crazy stuff's
happened there, like a teenth at abductions and people being injured,
and like a police officer being essentially blasted by a
UFO like it's one of the weirdest UFO areas in
all of America. In fact, it's claimed the fame it
calls itself various either the UFO Capital of America, the
UFO Capital of Wisconsin, even the UFO Capital of the World.
And there was a plan a number of decades ago
to build a UFO landing station in Elmwood for the
UFO people to come and visit. They were riffing on
a deal and an idea that Donald Keho, the director
of NYCAP and one of the most important and famous
ufologists in the first few decades of uthology. I think
he presented it in a book called Aliens from Space,
This idea that if we build this wonderful UFO port,
the UFO people will come down and we'll be able
to you know, record them and interact with them and
all of this. And John Keel, perhaps rightfully so said, well,
that just sounds like a cargo cult after World War Two,
building like planes out of bamboo and hoping the Americans
will come back with their can goods. So I as
Nata's idea as that landing port. I think is the
history in the story of Elmwood is going to make
a great episode, I think, and Jeremy is going to
be in that one. So we already have a very
knowledgeable talking head for that.
Speaker 8: So a lot of the things we've done and the
things we have planned, what do you want to do?
What would you be interested in doing?
Speaker 2: You know what I've been thinking about it a lot
lately is we've spent more and more time on this.
I really do like the idea a little down the
track because I'm assuming the first at least quarter and
a half a year will be primarily probably in Wisconsin.
I would love to do a bigger road trip and
go and hit multiple places outside of Wisconsin, you know,
do a trip and make four or fives.
Speaker 4: Do you have an idea where.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's funny today I sent you. I sent
you a Loveland frog thing today, the frog man from
that part of the world. That would be a cool
one to do.
Speaker 4: I didn't see where I was from.
Speaker 2: That's where it's from. Yeah, I think it's Loveland. Is
the frogman? That would be awesome? Yeah, Ohio. So that
would be that would be a that's a doable drive.
I'd love to do the van meter visitor like I
would love to the terodactyle type creature. And I know
Chad Lewis is again. Chad comes up again and again
whenever you talk about this type of stuff in the Midwest,
you can't not talk about Chad. But I know he's
involved in a serious level with the Van Visitor Festival.
The only thing that makes me worried about the potential
of doing it this year is we have another short
film which is about to start on the festival circuit
called Halloween Bird. So we'll probably be busy, and we'll
probably be busy through the late summer and fall going
to places to promote to promote that. But the van
meet a visitor would be and or would be. It's
just such a bizarre story about this thing in the
nineteenth century that flew out of like a mine there
or something and terrorized the town and people shot at it.
And you know, it looks like this, this giant pterodactyl.
And I know Chad does a walking to Robert during
the festival. I'm sure we could do that, or he
would give us a private tour as well, so that
that would be a fun one. I liked your idea
too about doing just more obscure, unknown things, like just
having our camera with us and randomly asking people when
we were.
Speaker 4: In you know.
Speaker 5: They've never heard Yeah, I mean you could do it
around the places that you know big things have happened,
but to talk to the locals and have those conversations
I think that before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. And I liked your idea
too about just like if we're going to a bar
or you know, another small town or something, just having
a camera with us and just having conversations with people
and asking, hey, is anything we'd ever happen and not
having it is not having it as a sidebar of
the show, Like it wouldn't be one of the episodes
unless the person would take us around and show us
the site.
Speaker 4: You may meet people who will do that.
Speaker 2: Well then would then it would become a fuller if
they if that didn't happen, just having a sidebar of
the show which was the same format but was just
somebody telling a personal experience shot in that same found
foot as you weigh, I think we could do something
really cool with that on the side as well.
Speaker 4: So there's all kinds of we hear a lot that'd
be fun. Make cool people doing these kinds of things too.
Speaker 2: We have met we have met some cool people doing
even just these I mean we've been we've been on
the circuit for a long time with the Shave of Mystery,
so we've met all kinds of cool people in in
that capacity, right. But when you start interviewing people, it's
always fascinating to here their their take on things. What
did you do? So let's get back to the C
five events just quickly, because it's the one we most
recently did, so it's still the one which is probably
at the front of my mind. So plus I'm finalizing
the edit of it now, so I'm very deeply buried
in it. Did it did going there and filming that
and seeing it and then seeing weird things in the skies?
Did it change your idea and all about any of
this stuff? Like did it make you? Did it? Did
you rethink anything?
Speaker 8: I think, for like a minute, I might have, And
then afterwards I was like, but in the moment, maybe,
but I feel like, you know, just an onlooker and
like recording stuff, like yeah, there was moments where I
was like, Okay, this is a little bizarre.
Speaker 4: And then afterwards, like you think about it for a
while and then I'm like, I'm back to where it was.
It might not be what you want to hear them.
Speaker 2: No, I think I think that's fair. And again, when
people watch the episode, they'll see it it's like you
haven't seen cut it all yet. When you see it, like, no,
it's great because you're kind of you You start off
being not mainly skeptical, just like you know, like yeah,
like this is not a real spoiler because it's the beginning.
But at the very beginning, when we're driving, I asked you,
none of the none of this is stage. This is
just what happens when we go. I asked you, do
you think you're going to see a sorcer or something tonight?
And you just look at the camera saying no. Later
there's this great footage if you're super excited and lights
in the sky.
Speaker 8: So well, it was just because we were just again
I shouldn't say anything, but no, it was for a
minute and then I'll say, step back, and I'm like,
I can explain this away like ten different ways, but
it took me like you had to get away from
the excitement of like the situation and like, oh yeah, okay,
I'm supposed to be feeling this way.
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be doing this. I'm supposed to be
seeing these things too, Okay, I like, no, did you
I know.
Speaker 2: I know some of your your fam none of your
family hardcore paranormal follows or anything. I know your family
you're interested. I know one of your daughters is interested.
I know your dad and your mom are kind of interested.
Did you tell them about your experiences?
Speaker 8: I did, and I told Mom after I I just
wanted to build her up and be like, because she's
very much a believer. They're always out in the middle
of nowhere. They're always watching these guys are always like
you know, so I always get phone calls the day
after they've been out, and I always saw this. We
saw that she gets all excited, like, oh, so I
did tell her about the event, and she was like, see, I.
Speaker 4: Told you, I told you you, Mom.
Speaker 8: Dad doesn't really say much. I think he kind of
follows Mom. She's gonna leader.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I know you.
Speaker 2: I know your dad when he I haven't spent that
much time with your dad. I really like him, but
I haven't spent that much time with him. But I
know one of the times I was talking to him,
he was mentioning a few of your family's own experiences
with things mm.
Speaker 8: Hmmm, which I never heard, which is funny because he's like,
you should know about this stuff, and then he tells you.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, we used to tell you.
Speaker 8: We're on the campfire with great grandma and grandpa, and
I'm like, yeah, I was four I don't remember any
of these things.
Speaker 2: But you told you told the story again on I
think you've told it a little in the shop, but
I'm going to get you to again now because the audience,
some of the audience come and go. But we were
on a bigfoot Michigan rob show the other day and
you talked a little bit about your dad's experiences. Do
you want to do you want to go over them
again now, because I'm always interested to hear them again,
because you heard more from him after he told me.
Speaker 8: I think all I know is the story about my
grandpa and the bathroom. Well it's not the bathroom, guys,
it's the outhouse. Tell the story walk they used to
have to walk. It was quite a ways from the
house to get to the outhouse, and my grandpa was
It was at night and my grandpa was going out
there and he was in the outhouse and he looked
up and he saw two like red eyes just like
beaming down at him, and it.
Speaker 4: Freaked him out.
Speaker 8: And Greda's like a sailor. He's just you know, big
old gruff, scruff, like he's not afraid of stuff. Like
he's gonna tell you like it is scared the heck
out of him. I'm trying to remember that. The other
one was when is my dad uncle?
Speaker 2: And uncle just just quickly on that one though, said
the suggestion was it was a bigfoot or something.
Speaker 8: Yes, the suggestion was it was like a bigfoot or something.
He didn't know what it was, but he just thought too, like,
yeah too, what I think they describe as eyes. I
don't think it was like beams of light or anything.
Speaker 4: It was two eyes and again eighty acres.
Speaker 8: He's been born, raised in the country, like he knows
what animal eyes look like. And it's not a tower
over an outhouse, right, anything that you know. But and
then there was a time where my dad and I
I don't remember who he said was all. I think
it was a friend and his a couple of his
brothers or something, and they were deer shining right down
the road, maybe a mile down the road from their house,
still country, and then they saw a silhouette that was
super high and it was like on its hinds, but
they like, it wasn't a bear. There's no way it
was a bear, like the shape of it, and they
it freaked my head out enough.
Speaker 4: But and he didn't believe in this stuff.
Speaker 8: I guess like when dad was growing up, you know,
like he would hear the stories, but he never believed
in it. And like now that he looks back, he's like, no,
that was really creepy, Like I don't know what that
was like to this day he can't. He can't explain
what they had seen when they were deer shining.
Speaker 2: I'll have to ask your dad more about it if
I get to see him over the fourth weekend, the
fourth of July, which I hope, I hope I do.
Flat Rockland aka Matt Auckland, who's been a guest on
the show and as a good friend, says, next year's
the eightieth were the eightieth reunion or I guess the
eightieth anniversary of the Maury Island incident. We might have
to go back to Maury next year. We were there
two two summers ago shooting the man who invented flying sauces.
Hopefully that I'll be put to bed by the next Maury.
We could go back. We could go there just shoot
a film entirely differently shooter because we weren't there to
shoot experiential stuff. We were there, well, it was different.
The focus was the story of Rapalmer and the story
of more How you know, he popularized Mario Island, so
perhaps if we went back we would shoot Between him.
Speaker 4: And Bob, we could probably find a lot of places
to go.
Speaker 2: And indeed Bob Antone and his wife Laura were wonderful
guides and hosts for us. Yeah, and we could we
could drag old. We could all drag old, flot in
flat in as well flop. I don't know where we
could flot flat. We have here, David Lenhard again, says
he and his wife Alia have. They've recently been started
shooting legend tripping ourselves and it can be really exciting.
It is, it's really exciting. I can't wait to see
some of your stuff, David. You have to send it
to me when when you've got something that you and
a listener have done. I'd really like to see it.
Speaker 4: Do they stay local? Do you stay local? Or are
you going all over?
Speaker 2: That's a good question, David. Just drop in the chat
and tell us where, tell us where you're traveling so
we can steal some of your ideas. I'm joking. Oh,
isn't that gosh? That's very that's very kind of you.
You're almost twisting my arm now with this kindness. I
want to come in. You all stay at our moory house.
If you do a couple of blocks from the Bluff Overlook,
imagine staying on Maria Allen. That would be mental. Better
be careful.
Speaker 4: It's so pretty. I love it.
Speaker 2: It's so gorgeous. We've talked about wanting to go back. Actually,
so maybe maybe what was that?
Speaker 4: That was one of our favorite trips.
Speaker 2: It was We love that. We love that trip a lot.
And the Jersey trip was awesome as well. When we
got to meet American we were at the Jersey Devil
Film Festival with the Shaven Mystery short. That was fun. Yeah,
Maury was gorgeous. What a great time, David says. They've
done Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan so far. Well, that's two
more states than we've done so far. We've done another thing.
You asked me what I would like to do before
If we get to go, there's a potential will end
up near Rhode Island with some film festival stuff in
the coming year or so. Anyway, for Halloween Bird, which
has nothing to do with this series, it's a narrative
horror film that Sam producer. I directed, and it starred
my mum and my daughter. Last Fall into Winter. I
think we thought. I thought it was going to take
me two weeks to shot to shoot. Rather it took
what how long did it take like four months or something?
It took forever to make that short film. It's it's
a good looking film though, like we did a good
job on it. Anyway, My point is, if we're anywhere
near Rhode Island, I would likely just do a Lovecraft legendship,
but wouldn't necessarily have to be spooky, but to hear
things about, you know, Lovecraft, to go to his grave,
to have some love Craft of history and that, of
course that's somebody I've been fascinated with. That'd be an
awful lot of fun. It'd be fun to do one
in the Southwest at some stage as well, Like there's
so many UFO E stories there. I'd like. I haven't been.
I haven't been to rachel in the area fifty one area,
every fifty one area that part of the world in
Nevada since I did my PhD dissertation like over two
decades ago. So I'd love to go back there. That
would be fun, and you.
Speaker 4: There too, there's a lot not just the feeling. Yeah,
there's a lot of history down there that's spooper fun.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing I'd like to do a
trip and go, Okay, we're going to do these four
or five things and come back five episode shot.
Speaker 4: I don't think we should aways have an idea of
what we're doing.
Speaker 8: We should have the ideas, and then we should seriously
stup and talk to the local people, because the things
when I've traveled outside of even with you, you talk
to people you know of like the stories, but then
you get to know the people and you're like, oh
and all that that's crazy.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I like, you've suggested it a few times to me,
and you're right finding you. I know you want to
very much do episodes of things that have never been done.
And I think that's a really good idea because it's
going to sprinkle amongst the more known legend trips, things
which are just things that we or areas or places
that we discover. David also said he's done one in
Oa Claire, which of course is where I met David
at Midwest we had the festival we run in o'claire, Wisconsin.
What I want to do, David, and don't steal it
from me at least if you're going to publicize it
before me, is you know this is something we should
do too. We should do We should do the ghost
story of the downtown Micon Cinema because I've talked to
the staff multiple times and the owners, and they all
have stories about the ghosts that are meant to be
in that old downtown cinema area, like almost anybody there
who works there or owns it will tell you, will
tell you a story about it. And yes, I have
thought about Mothman. I absolutely have thought about Mothman. I
saw the other day the Sons of Appalachia just did
a moth Man episode the Old Mountain Monsters. Guys, did
you watch did you watch that? Did you watch the
Mothman episode with Chloe and I?
Speaker 5: Who?
Speaker 1: Did?
Speaker 2: I just watch that with my daughter Chloe, because I
make you watch Mountain Monsters or Sons of Appalasia Appalachia
with me?
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I don't think I watched them.
Speaker 2: Then he did it recently because Steve Ward sent me
a photo of of Huckleberry, of Buck and of wild
Bill in Point Pleasant. I think Steve Ward, who's a
good friend of mine he works at the Mothman Museum,
took the photo and I was like, that was cool.
They were there, and sure enough, like a week later,
their episode dropped of them. I probably sent you the photo.
I'd probably forward it to.
Speaker 4: Watch it.
Speaker 2: You know the funny And I think you said this joking.
I think you were only half joking about one of
the things the sons of our Palasia guys do now
and I don't know why, Like it's like it's a
guilty pleasure for me is watching their food tasting videos.
Oh my gosh, like when they eat like like I
don't know, or sour stuff or things which are it's it's.
Speaker 4: You can't look away.
Speaker 2: I forced you to watch about five hour marathon and
that stuff with you watch.
Speaker 4: Literally it's one of those things like you have to
look like you have to.
Speaker 8: You don't want to look and you don't want to,
but you can't not look like you can't not it's insane.
Speaker 2: And you were like, we could do this with the kids.
We could do our own content of us eating.
Speaker 4: But me, the kids used to it. We could easily.
That'd be so much fun, And I do.
Speaker 2: Think they'll be I do think we'll have some weird
little side content going forward. I know YouTube now, which
I think not a lot of people use, but they
also have this community feature, so I was I was
thinking we could probably start to do something related in that,
which is in the main show as well. But these
are all things that we're gradually working out. I do
hope that everybody who's listening goes, and if they didn't,
if they haven't seen it yet, or even if they
have seen it, go and subscribe to the channel, because
it's all We talked about launching it on the old
Talking Weird channel before I was on the network, because
that channel already is it a stage where it could
be monetized. There over a thousand you know, subscribers, and
there's thousands of hours of views on it. But instead
of putting it there, we thought it would be better
just to start it from scratch. I think you were right.
That was you were the person who really pushed to
launch it as an independent channel again and not just
latch it onto a channel I already had. No I'm
not because I'm in fact, the more I think about it,
the happier I am. It would just be nice to
get a subscriber base up, so when we drop a
new episode, there's a potential you know, a thousand eyes
on the projects straight away. So that's why I'm encouraging
people now to who have been with us. I mean
many of the people in the chat and various other
listeners and viewers have been watching me do talking weird
for you know, over five years now. So if we
can get that kind of viewership over to this quickly
instead of slowly, it would just be better. I mean,
they don't even have to do with the monetizations. Anybody
who knows what I do knows money means very little
to me because I just like crazy content. But it's
more that I want people to watch the content I make.
It's kind of you know, you don't want to make
a video and have five people watch it, you know.
It's like it's almost like when you were a kid,
and I did this for years, where you would make
like a Super eight film or then you would make
a you know, a home horror movie on your dad's
whenever the TEP format was a VHS or super VHS,
and then your whole audience would be like your family
and your friends.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Then you were like yeah, twenty people said in my movie.
They all tell me how wonderful it is. But I
do think the whole point is of doing something like
this is getting more eyes on it. And I'm really
proud of it. I really love I really love how
we've we decided to do this weird little thing and
package it like a found footage movie because I don't
think there's any other paranormal dock that does it, and
I think that's what separates. And it's a short, very
short format as well. You get in, you get the information,
and you get out. You don't have to It's not
like watching a lot of paranormal docks out there, which
I watch. I'm a sucker because I watched so much
of this content. But you can watch a forty five
minute show and you haven't learned anything that couldn't have
been compacted into five or six minutes, you know. So
I think that's one of the values of it as well.
Speaker 4: I agree they just want to send vengeancey what's going on,
and they can just two in, two out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just so quick, that's true. There's no tuning
in her tuning out. And I hope it captures people
and moves pretty quickly. I think. I think one thing
we've done with that is make it a far fairly
fast moving show. But what you know, what I'd love
to see. So we've had a few suggestions here in
the chat, like we had a Mothman suggestion, we had
Marie Island, so we had both David and Flat recommend
some things I don't. Bob of course suggested the back rooms.
All of those excellent suggestions. If anybody else has any
other suggestions for us, put them in there, because we
are going to do as many of these as we
can going forward. I think we just have to. I
just have to balance it with and you have to
balance it too, with everything we do, including finishing the
man who invented flying sources. So we have so many projects.
But these are fun. Yeah, these are fun and pretty
quick to Where would you like? Where else would you
like to travel? Southwest? We talked about where else with
this show.
Speaker 4: I think like Southwest. I would love that, and I
would still like to go to the East Coast.
Speaker 2: There's a lot we could go back to the Jersey
Devil film.
Speaker 8: It was amazing and that was I think, honestly just
not even just like the people just it was gorgeous
and I think they're just there's just like a field there.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like it. We should submit another film to the
Jersey Devil Film Festival. I hope to get in there
when that plays. Go to Jersey Devil kill Two Birds
with One Stone, go and go to the festival, and
then go and do a Jersey Devil episode because I mean,
I'm that's a.
Speaker 4: Story would be fun too.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a Rugaroo down there would be fun. We
should totally do the Rugaroo amazing, and then you could
also probably do something in New Orleans. You could probably
find a famous you know, haunting story or voodoo story
or something much there. And that's if we did a
south trip we could do those the Rugaroo when we
could do something in New Orleans and we could cut
across to falc and go and do the Falcon Monster
with the Texarkana area. I know that the Boggy Creek Monster. Sorry,
you know, that'd be fun. There's so many ideas, it's
really never ending. What else, though, what what else have
you enjoyed so far with the so we talked. We
talked quite a bit about the C five one, the
hod Egg one, what about the Beast of Bray Road,
because I think somebody was asking me recently if if
it was weird when we were in Brairoad, did you
feel anything strange when you were in Brain Road? Like
was it did you feel it was a weird place.
Speaker 8: I feel like it's a weird place, and I don't
know it was so much what it may be the
place and the people maybe like I feel like it's
not a friendly place. You just definitely get in and
get out, like you don't stay. There's something there, like
it doesn't feel right.
Speaker 2: Tell the van's story, because that's, oh my.
Speaker 8: Goodness, it was so Indana is so like engulfed with
the camera and I'm driving at this point, so he's
not even paying attention, like this van just started tailing
us like on on my tail, like on my tail.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if he realized or if they
finally noticed like he had a camera or something. They
didn't like it.
Speaker 8: I don't know what the story behind this was, but
it was up until we got to the point where
they realized like, oh, they are leaving.
Speaker 4: They're not staying, They're leaving. They did a ui like
in the middle of this, what was to see them
when they're fifty five.
Speaker 8: Yeah, probably they just stopped and like turned and like left,
and I'm like, but for a good two minutes on
that road, like you're sitting there and I'm like, they
are literally on my bumper, like they are right there.
Speaker 2: It might have been wrecks because it was residential, so
it might be even forty.
Speaker 8: But I remember it being faster than it should have
been because there were so many lines and curves, so
I was probably going. But yeah, they didn't. They didn't
turn into a driveway. They didn't turn off onto a road.
They literally did a yui as soon as like we
were past the point of I don't know what the
point was for them, but then they just you eat
and left. I'm like, oh, they didn't like us.
Speaker 2: I wonder if we were poking around with a camera,
I what it was, or we're more conspiratorial. It was
like one of the Satanic cults there that supposedly called
in the Beast. In the first place, they wanted to
they wanted to throw us into the back of that
van and.
Speaker 8: Anybody that was past, like any passerby. I feel like
even when we had like when we were pulling the
side road with the with the barn, like that truck
went around us and we I think we had to
turn around their driveway or something. They're dogs, but there
was like no wave. There was like nothing, And I
was like, Okay, they don't like people in a way.
Speaker 2: I get it. I get if somebody drives. I mean,
I'm on a rural back road, as you will know,
and you always raise your hand at somebody. And if
you're driving along, you know, the people in their yard
or pedestrians usually raise their hand to you. But that said,
I'm also not at I guess a weird paranormal hot
spot where I get paranormal tourists cruising along, hold hanging
out the camp, hanging out.
Speaker 8: The windows, be used to it, and you moved there
like this was a younger guy, like you must know
the story right.
Speaker 4: Right, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know either. I wonder how I mean when
I guess in some ways, we and probably most of
the people who watch the show paranormal tourists. And I
don't mean that dismissively. I mean that we might be
interested in going places or consuming some of this content.
I'm sure there are people who watch the show who
actually do have to deal with it on a daily level,
you know, experiences and things, but for the most part,
most of us are probably just you know, interested in
consuming it. But I wonder what it would be like
to live like in bray Road, or to live like
in Lockness, or to live like you know, in Roswell,
New Mexican. Well, some of these towns obviously embrace it,
like ryan Land has clearly embraced the hod Ache clearly clearly,
like Roswell's clearly embraced the UFO crash. I think what
might be one in the middle might be Point Pleasant,
West Virginia, because I have the suspicion there the towns
embrace it to a degree. But I've also heard there
are people there who don't so much, you know, like
attaching the idea of Mothmann or the tragedy of the
bridge collapse and everything. But it would have that.
Speaker 8: Even even when you look at rand and I'm sure
there people are like, oh, I'm so sick, you know
what I mean, Like, I'm sure you have those those people.
But like at nbray Road, what you can tell the
one person in the entire little community who embraces it,
and it's the one person who has the beast in
their yard, you know what I mean? Like you can
there's nobody else like you can't that for a second,
because you don't see any images of it anywhere else
other than that one spot.
Speaker 4: You're muted.
Speaker 2: I just saw that. We just had a question and
I was just looking up because from Squatch Mama and
the Scotch Mama, who's been a regular viewer of the
show for years now, asks is there a cryptid uf
Ufo film Festival in Great Falls, Montana? And there is?
Did you hear us talking about it before, Squatch Mama,
because that's where that's where we played the Shaver Mystery? Right,
that was the Great the Great Beyond. That's what I
just I didn't want to get the title of the
festival wrong. It's the Great Beyond. We played the Shaver
Mystery at right in Great Falls, Montana?
Speaker 5: Is that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there is. That's just what I was very quickly.
I wanted to get that the That was definitely Great Falls,
I'm pretty sure, is that right? Yeah? So I think
we played out a film there is there? Do you
have a story from their Squatch mommer? If there is
Squatch Mama just said that's right. So yeah, maybe there's
a story there.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 2: I haven't submitted a film to there this year, but
maybe maybe we should submit something and if we end
up in that area, we can do something out in
the Montana area as well. I do know we have
to go to California at some stage before the end
of before the snow sets in this year. So if
anybody has some Californian ideas for I'm sure there's plenty
out there. I mean, Giant Rock might be cool to
go to in the California desert where they used to
have the UFO contact ee conferences. That might be an
awesome spot where else in California? What else? Anybody have suggestions?
Throw it in the chat. I'll look at it even
if I don't get to it now. But it was
fun to talk to you about this, honey.
Speaker 1: I really liked it.
Speaker 2: It's like we were workshopping the show in front of
our audience. Just sit with me and Sam while we
workshop our show for oh dear, funny funny stuff. So
you're looking forward to the fourth before we say goodbye.
Speaker 4: Yeah, spent a little a little crazy.
Speaker 2: I could tell you sent me it was so much fun.
Speaker 8: He remembers us every year though, and this year it
was funny because I had all three of my kids,
and you looked at me.
Speaker 4: As like you just make short people, don't you.
Speaker 2: Didn't you say he gave you some free fireworks or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, he's so good. He's so he's so sweet,
he's so nice.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, There's a I posted on Facebook
before at this time of the year. There's there's an
old letter that John Adams wrote to his wife Abigail
back in seventeen seventy six, and it was just after
they'd im the Declaration, and he said, you know something
along the lines of to his wife, you know, I
think this day will be celebrated by generations to come,
and it should be with making giant fires and ringing
of bells and sporting competitions and parades and shooting of firearms.
And it's just this wonderful letter, and it's it's so
pressing that Adams understood then and there how significant the
signing of the Declaration was, and to know that that
would be a national holiday for like centuries to come.
It's an incredible letter. I should repost it again this year.
Speaker 4: The big one. So this is pretty cool, exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the two. I'm just honored to be in this
country for the two hundred and fiftieth. I really am,
like it's it's going to be the biggest one that
I get to spend, you know, in this country. That's
for sure. I must I make it another fifty years.
Speaker 4: You never know.
Speaker 2: It's a strange world. But assuming I don't, this is
going to be the biggest, the most significant celebration. I
hope that it is something that can bring this country together.
And I hope wherever anybody is that they ring bells
and see parades and start fires and shoot off fireworks
and if you can do it safely where you are,
shoot off your firearms just like Adams imagines you're doing
two hundred and fifty years ago this weekend. That said,
until I talk to you again, honey, which hopefully will
be very soon, And before I say that, thank you
for coming on. It was great getting a chat to
you on the show to name.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Of course, You're always welcome. And until I get to
talk to you, which I know will be very soon,
and until I get to talk to everybody else out there,
which will be after the fourth of July weekend, so
again make sure you have a fun one, but most
of all, please keep it weird.