WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.560 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:22.719 He take what help? 4 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.359 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I got a 5 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:30.239 couple of rejects with me, and we got a new 6 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:33.479 guest on, somebody that had reached out to me and 7 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:35.399 was actually a fan of the show. So, I mean, 8 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:38.000 what could be even better than that? Buddy hit me 9 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:40.399 up at the topic that I know zero about, so 10 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:42.840 I'm very excited to have him on, and I got 11 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:44.560 Gin with me to help me out since I don't 12 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:46.479 know much, and we got Mad here as well to 13 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:50.759 drop some of his knowledge. Before we introduce uh Master 14 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.200 Gong Swan, we will introduce Jin in Mad first, Jin, 15 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:56.600 my man, please let everybody know what is up with you? 16 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:00.520 What's the boss? Mister ninety three? Thank you you? Uh 17 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:04.879 lauscher konk sure, Fasher, I'm not sure. We'll find out 18 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:07.519 in a few minutes, I guess, and maybe explain like 19 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:10.159 what I'd even said, and I even told Nick I'd 20 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:13.640 never speak Mandarin on air. But anyways, there you go. 21 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:17.120 There's a you know, fresh Jine lore. But anyways, you 22 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:18.959 can follow me at Wukan Reborn. 23 00:01:18.840 --> 00:01:21.359 W uk O and g reborn. My show is called 24 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:22.159 Threshold Saints. 25 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:25.120 You can find an Apple, Spotify, of course, the gray 26 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:29.400 lodgethtruegray Lodge dot com, t r ve, gray Lodge dot com, 27 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.920 and YouTube like and subscribe. Matt is our webmaster and 28 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.599 are my co host and along with four other boys. 29 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.519 So we have a lot of fun doing speculative call Chakra, 30 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:44.159 speculative Narcissism, and speculative Cabala every Friday Night Live. So 31 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:45.959 if you're interested in that, check it out. Thank you 32 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.040 guys so much. And I have an episode with Gregory 33 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:52.040 Peters dropping today on New Way on Contra with Solar. 34 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:55.439 Thank you very nice. Well, thank you very much for 35 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.519 joining us. You know I was appreciate it. And uh 36 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:00.959 we got Matt, what is going on? You're back on again. 37 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.079 I always love having you here. Thank you very much. 38 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.520 Oh I think you're still muted there, sir, Sorry about that. 39 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:10.120 Thank you good. 40 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:12.520 Yeah, I'd love to be here as well. Always fun. 41 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:16.240 Thanks all for calling me again, and we'll definitely have 42 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.560 a lot of fun today with dalism, which I really 43 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:22.719 enjoy and obviously I always see connections with Cabala as well. 44 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:24.080 So I'm at Mora. 45 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.240 You can find me on many social media's always at 46 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:32.120 more nineteen that's x, Twitter means the same YouTube, Instagram, 47 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.439 TikTok can name it. And also my website that's Kabala 48 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.599 dot com k A A B A l a h 49 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:43.199 dot com. You can see what I do there sometimes 50 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.319 services doing them more frequently nowadays, and also a lot 51 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:50.159 of apps which some new stuff coming on, so make 52 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:50.879 sure to follow there. 53 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:52.479 And yeah, let's go today. 54 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:56.319 Awesome. Thank you very much, very much, Matt, and again 55 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:59.879 I appreciate you making it. And finally to the guest himself, 56 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:05.520 massagong Swan, thank you again for reaching out. Like I said, unfortunately, 57 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:06.919 I don't know what kind of hell might I would be. 58 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.560 I don't know much about Taoism. Crawley even got into it, 59 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:13.719 but it is something I am not hip too. So 60 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.120 please let everybody know what your deal is where they 61 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:17.919 can find your stuff, and I guess we'll get into 62 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:18.360 it after that. 63 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:22.719 So yes, thank you very much Nick for having me on. 64 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:28.199 I am a Taoist disciple and a master of the 65 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.000 maus On set, and in Mausan style Taoism, we're known 66 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:36.879 for drawing talismans. In the West, you would call it sigils. 67 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:41.319 Like so something like this for example, Oh okay, and yeah, 68 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:44.199 and also in this a bit more later on. And 69 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:49.240 you can find me online at Master Gonson Taoism on YouTube. 70 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:54.000 And I started my own lineage of Taoism called The 71 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:59.439 Sweet Divine Tow and it's at Sweet Divine Tow dot com. 72 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:03.199 Very nice, thank you, sir. I know we spoke a 73 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.800 little bit prior you did kind of. I guess you 74 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:08.800 said you grew up in Taoism, so I guess asking you, 75 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:12.360 like what got you into this? But yeah, I mean 76 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:13.280 I don't know if you want to give it a 77 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:14.960 little bit of background about, like, you know, how you 78 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.399 got into the Taoism, like what I guess experiences you 79 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:19.600 have and what you've studied. 80 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:26.959 Yeah, certainly, Well I did grow up in Taoism, but 81 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:31.319 I didn't really. I wasn't serious about practicing until I 82 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:35.639 was in my early thirties when I had a supernatural experience. 83 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:42.160 I was just briefly, I was visiting my friend in 84 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:51.480 a rural part of Cambodia, and those I need to 85 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:54.720 set up the background at those places there, it's really rural. 86 00:04:54.759 --> 00:05:00.120 It's like dirt, dusty roads, no street lights after dark. 87 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.600 So if you find yourself without a flashlight at night, 88 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:05.800 then you're flat out of luck. It's completely pure black, 89 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.879 complete darkness. Yeah, it's extremely creepy and and the thing 90 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.040 is it's a very haunted place that I found myself in. 91 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.360 I was visiting a friend and the history of Cambodia 92 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.399 was at during the reign of the Kamai Rouge. Like 93 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:24.000 that's like polepot era and that nineteen seventies, lots of 94 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.079 people were killed. Yeah. Yeah, So he was telling me, 95 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.319 you know, when you come, you know, expect to experience 96 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:34.360 some creepy things. You never know what you'll see, because 97 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:36.959 lots of people were actually fifty years ago, they were 98 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.600 killed and then they were not given a proper burial. 99 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:43.560 Their bodies were haphazardly thrown into the ditch right across 100 00:05:43.600 --> 00:05:46.439 the street from my house. So I was like, Okay, 101 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:48.279 I didn't know what to expect. I thought he was 102 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:53.160 half joking, but he wasn't. But he wasn't. And instead anyway, 103 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.240 so people keep dogs here because it's not actually to 104 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.240 scare off thieves and robbers, because it's a small time. 105 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.399 Everyone knows everyone else. There's only so much you can 106 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.519 get away with. But it's actually to keep a watch 107 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:10.920 out for supernatural entities. So anyway, I was at late 108 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:16.800 at night, around eleven. I was in my room just working, 109 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:21.279 and I noticed that the dog was barking like crazy. 110 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:24.199 So I went outside and then I took my flashlight 111 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.199 and I saw that the dog was barking at someone 112 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.040 walking just past the gate. So I was thinking, Okay, 113 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.079 that's no big deal, because dark soon bark at people 114 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:35.319 that they they know, they only bark at strangers, right, 115 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:38.839 So then at twelve midnight, I heard the dark bark 116 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.279 again like crazy. I'm thinking, well, maybe it's just another stranger, 117 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.000 but I'm curious because who would walk past the gate 118 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.480 this late at night. So I go and then I 119 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.360 shine my flashlight and there by the way, that's where 120 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.160 I tried my flashlights. By the way, I took my 121 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.000 flashlight and showing it onto something, and then I saw 122 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.639 the dog was barking at some and this entity was 123 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:06.160 standing right between. It was the neighbor's gate actually, so 124 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.879 neighbor's fence. So imagine like you know here right, so 125 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:12.720 I'm on the balcony, it's staring down the neighbor's fences 126 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.439 this way, and then this entity was standing between the 127 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.920 neighbor's fence and a tractor. Now that's a very weird 128 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.560 place for a person to stand, a very awkward place 129 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.160 to stand, and who would do that at midnight? So anyway, 130 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:29.160 and then then I show my flashlight on it, and 131 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:31.560 I'm thinking, well, is this a person? Like what was 132 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:31.959 he doing? 133 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:32.079 Right? 134 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:37.480 And I noticed his upper body is completely covered in blue. 135 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:40.759 His lower body he's bringing some sort of white cloth. 136 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:44.040 So blue cloth upper body, white cloth, ower body. So 137 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:45.879 his face was covered up, and I could see like 138 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.600 the the holes of where like you know, the human 139 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.399 eyes and the nostrils and the mount would be. And 140 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:56.720 I'm thinking this is either a scarecrow or a malmannequin 141 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:00.839 or something I've never seen before. But what an awkward 142 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:04.000 place to stand at midnight when the dogs noticed it, 143 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:06.639 And now I realized why it appeared at midnight, because 144 00:08:06.839 --> 00:08:09.839 according to Taoism, that's called the hour of the Seed. 145 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.680 It's called in Mandarin the hour of the seed, and 146 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:14.879 it's the most yin right, yin yang. That's probably the 147 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:19.519 most famous concept that the West knows about in terms 148 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:24.639 of Taoism. It's the most in time of the entire cycle. 149 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.040 So there we are, and then I show my light 150 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.759 on A three once because I thought, Okay, maybe my 151 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.840 eyes are playing tricks on me. Nope. I turn off 152 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:38.080 the light and I'm thinking, okay, maybe i'm I'm just 153 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:41.480 seeing things. I turn all my flash again and it's 154 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.240 still there. I think, okay, Well, I don't drink, I 155 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:46.960 don't smoke, I don't do drugs. I am completely sober. 156 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:49.320 It's too early for me to be sleeping, because I 157 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.840 don't sleep till two or three am. It's too early 158 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:55.360 for me to be dreaming. So this is real. So 159 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.320 I do the same thing again. I turn off the flashlight. 160 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:01.039 I shine it back on the thing again. It's still there. 161 00:09:01.279 --> 00:09:03.240 And that's when I began to feel a bit creeped out, 162 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.440 like I know, I'm not hallucinating, that's I don't know 163 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.120 what the hell that is. But maybe I should leave 164 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.720 well enough alone and take my friend's advice, because he 165 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.039 told me, you'll say something, and when you do, don't interfere, 166 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.000 don't do anything, just go back to your room. So 167 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.039 I did. But but honestly, it didn't feel like it 168 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.399 didn't feel like it cared about me. It didn't move 169 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.519 or anything. It felt like I was bothering it by 170 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.159 shining my flashlight on him. Because when you're out there 171 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.679 in the middle of the night by yourself, if you're 172 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.320 a human, if someone shines a flashlight on you, wouldn't 173 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:37.720 you turn your head to look to see who the 174 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:42.399 hell is doing that? Right? So who is that? Calm? Right? Like, 175 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:44.240 I don't I don't think it was human. Whatever it was, 176 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.759 it was my first encounter with something supernatural, and I'm like, Okay, 177 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:51.080 I'm going to turn a Taoism. I'm going to become 178 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:55.600 ordained to figure out what the hell that was. I'm 179 00:09:55.600 --> 00:10:01.600 exaggerating a bit there, but it's incited, instigated my my 180 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:06.480 interest into things that are beyond our earthly senses, beyond 181 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:10.679 our five senses, things that exist but we cannot see 182 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:11.120 or hear. 183 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.200 So I I was kind of going to ask a question, 184 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.519 and I guess you kind of answered it already, Like so, 185 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.080 I guess this experience like somehow Taoism like rang true 186 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:25.559 to you to explore becaues gotcha. 187 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:29.679 Yeah, because I was already in Asia, and and I 188 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.759 was exposed a bit to Buddhist beliefs as well, and 189 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:36.360 because Cambodia is a very Buddhist country, but there's huge 190 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:41.639 pockets of Chinese Cambodians, and I dis gravitated back towards 191 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:43.799 Taoism because it's what I'm most familiar with. 192 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.360 Yeah, I get that. Uh, Jenna, Matt, did you have 193 00:10:47.399 --> 00:10:48.639 anything you wanted to ask or say? 194 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:53.840 Well, I have I have got a couple questions, but 195 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:54.879 I'll start with this. 196 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:01.200 Master Gong set Gong stn Sorry, I'm apologe. Would you 197 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:05.080 explain like just some of the cosmology, just generally for 198 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.320 people who are like totally unfamiliar with Taoism, Like what 199 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.639 is what does the heavenly hierarchy or like or is 200 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:15.799 it ghosts or is it like what are the nature 201 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.679 of spirits that we're talking about? And also like what 202 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.240 is the primary focus Indaoism in terms of like is 203 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:25.279 it sociological like with Christianity, where you're trying to, you know, 204 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.600 sort of escape the worldly system or is it more 205 00:11:29.679 --> 00:11:33.360 cabalistic where you're escaping like the whole conceptual framework of 206 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.120 reality that kind of stuff. 207 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:39.360 That's that's a great question. Well, to start off the 208 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:45.200 basics is I would consider Taoism to be the Paganism 209 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:48.279 or the Wicca of the East, because I see a 210 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:53.120 lot of parallels about living in harmony with nature, about 211 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.799 the guardians of the four directions, which we have in 212 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:02.600 Taoism as well. It's it's very much I would say 213 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:07.080 it's a chaos magic of the East. Oh wow, yeah, 214 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.799 and uh well, I think a lot of people are 215 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:11.320 familiar with this. I have a lot of props to 216 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:15.320 show people. But this is a what we call a 217 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:18.559 tides e two. It's called yanyang symbol ties two in Mandarin. 218 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:25.200 And these are the trigrams they represent the just the different. Well, 219 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:28.200 this is Tien and this is Quinn, and it means 220 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.480 like the divine yang or the sky. So the divine yin, 221 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:35.799 which is the earth? Right, So I started off as observation. 222 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:40.960 Actually we're observing, hey, why does the sun set every night? 223 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:43.639 And why does it like come back up again in 224 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.840 the morning. Right, So it's stuff like and through the observation, 225 00:12:48.919 --> 00:12:52.000 so kind of like science, where through this observation we 226 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:57.039 discover certain truths about the natural world, for example, and 227 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:58.600 that's where you come up with the twelve rules of 228 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:03.480 a yin and yang. Right. For example, a great great 229 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:06.960 yin leaves a little yang. And I'll give you an 230 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:10.519 example of how that is. So it's always starknest before dawn. Right, 231 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:15.080 that's the western sing around what for three or four am? Right, 232 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:19.080 that is quite yin because it's really dark at that time, right, 233 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:23.399 But it becomes a little yang because an hour later, 234 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:27.720 hey it's sunrise. We can see daybreak. Right. So it's 235 00:13:27.759 --> 00:13:31.519 these these rules that that are a result of the 236 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:35.519 observation of nature. So I started off very much about nature. 237 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:43.320 Anything else you want to And yes, and I believe someone, 238 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:46.879 I mean I saw it called oh yeah, yeah, yes 239 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:50.840 right right, the mini world theory. There are many other 240 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:59.039 infinite number of realms. The official in the official the 241 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:04.639 the what's the working for the official stance is that 242 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:08.480 there are nine heavens, go ten and it's reflected in 243 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:12.960 all the incantations we have. For example, when you are 244 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:17.320 offering incense, for example, grab some incense here. When you're 245 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:23.159 offering incense, you're spilled to recite the offering incense incantation, 246 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:27.440 and the very end of that incantation is jind. It 247 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:31.279 means that we want the incense to take our energy 248 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:36.039 and our prayers to the nine heavens. Right, So I 249 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:39.600 would say it is there's the physical realm, which is 250 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:44.080 the what we call the Rincien, right, and that extends 251 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:46.840 all the other planets like Mars, Mercury and all that, right, 252 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.159 and then we have the different planes. So it's actually 253 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:54.440 similar to some Western New Wage thought on the astral planes. 254 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.200 There is an equivalent of astroprojection in Taoism as well. 255 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:02.039 Oh wow, yeah, I noticed, because I just I studied 256 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.000 a bit of Western Taoism. I've been studying a little 257 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:09.879 bit because I noticed there's lots of equivalence between tawas 258 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:14.120 an Eastern and Western occult very like similar. For example, 259 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:18.519 the adage so was it as above so below right, 260 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.480 that's very like Wi Cup, but that's also Taoist. 261 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.240 Oh, it's just like, well, honestly, what you were explaining 262 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:26.759 before heavens in the earth, I mean, I was above. 263 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.919 Rh exactly right. Yeah. So somehow the ancients they didn't 264 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.440 actually communicate, they couldn't because of the vast distances, but 265 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:38.360 they all came to this essentially similar conclusions. They drew 266 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:40.559 to similar conclusions just from observation. 267 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:45.480 One question, one question, I just want to ask real quick, 268 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:47.919 and I not to like spur off on this, but 269 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:50.559 I don't know if you're into it or not. But 270 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:53.080 maybe you said you were actually a fan of the channel. 271 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.399 Have you ever noticed any stuff where you're like, oh, 272 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.039 this sounds like Kabbala in some ways, Like do you 273 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:02.039 ever see influences or ties you think to Kabbala and 274 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:02.879 what you're into. 275 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.000 Yes, that's a great question. I studied a little of 276 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:10.720 the Kabbala too, and they have the tree of life 277 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.720 for example in the Kabbala, right, the crown the uh. 278 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.919 I don't speak Hebrew because so I don't remember, but 279 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:21.480 the official name is, but I remember, like, yeah, the 280 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:25.919 English translations, right, and there is right, because we have 281 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.679 the different realms of existence, right, we have the the 282 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.440 physical realm being non physical. Right, we have the astral 283 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:38.720 planes lower astral, all the way up to what mental, causal, budic, divine. 284 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:44.759 And that's yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's the great comment. Everything 285 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:49.320 comes back to number nine. Yeah, the nine Magic squirts 286 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:53.039 and Taoism, for example, the hood to the river of 287 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.879 the river map. It's also astrology. At the same time, 288 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:02.120 the whole brand of Taoism devoted to astrology and predicting 289 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:07.160 our destiny just based on our birth, our time date 290 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.039 to year, month of birth. It's called bots of the 291 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:13.200 Eight or the four Pillars. Eight characters, four pillars. 292 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.920 Did you just say nine uh militaries squares? Did you 293 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:19.759 say something like that? 294 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:25.519 Uh, it's it's actually called the it's called the magic square, 295 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:28.680 the Foe magic Square. There are nine squares. Yeah, there 296 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:32.200 are nine squares. A picture of that. 297 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:35.160 Yeah, I mean you see stuff like that in Agrippa, and. 298 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:39.359 Like you, they all came to the same similar conclusion. 299 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:43.359 So something is up there. Something must have happened there, 300 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:45.839 like there's no way they were reading letters to one another. 301 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.920 So I'm not sure how they influence each other. But 302 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:50.200 it's a long even up from the on the Silk Road. 303 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:52.559 It's a long way from China to Europe. 304 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.240 Well I can make an apologies, Yeah, just. 305 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.200 One click, isn't it on Taoism? 306 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.079 Also that they have this, I don't remember if it's 307 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:07.839 on the Talaging or where is it they have it? 308 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:12.039 Like from the Taul came the the Yang, from the 309 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:14.200 Yang king, the Ying, and then from all the things 310 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:14.799 something like that. 311 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:19.319 Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, I don't I love that one there. 312 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:20.400 I love that picture. 313 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:22.839 If you can, if you can recite it, because because 314 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:24.680 like in Kabala, it's going to be more or less 315 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:26.039 the same, the same idea, you. 316 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:31.440 Know, and then everything. Yeah, the primordial chaos, the wood, 317 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:34.440 he gave rise to the Taisi from one yet gives 318 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.039 us to the two, two to three and three king 319 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:39.839 ten thousand things. Yeah, that you're right, that's exactly from 320 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.599 the town that see and that is written by someone 321 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:47.319 called Lauds. It means the old one. Actually, he didn't 322 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:51.720 actually found Taoism, but he he's very much revered and 323 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.759 honored in the faith. 324 00:18:57.839 --> 00:18:59.839 I was just going to say, Matt is really good 325 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:03.680 at the Bakuah and like even yeah, even better than 326 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.359 me at. 327 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:06.240 The sort of like the eight triagrams. 328 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:08.119 He kind of gets it, like he kind of Matt 329 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:10.400 has mapped it to Kabala through his system. So I 330 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:12.039 just want to say, so he's quite good at it. 331 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:15.319 But I wanted to follow up on what you said 332 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.279 about Lolzza because I think a lot of people misunderstand 333 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.799 like that point. Like you know, every there are different 334 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:25.880 kinds of Daoists, as you said, and there are different 335 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:31.920 sort of cosmologies that are both more esoteric cosmology exists, 336 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.240 but then also like a quote unquote folk cosmology exists, 337 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.480 where they might put a Buddha or they might put 338 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:39.960 jade emperor, or they might put guan y In depending 339 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:46.039 on like your level of I guess knowledge in the esoterica. 340 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.200 So can you just explain, like what what happens when 341 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:52.759 like a person who's never experienced Daoism walks into a 342 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:55.119 Taoist temple, Like what should they expect to see? 343 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.359 What should they like take note of? 344 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:01.640 And like what spirits are especially for your school or 345 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.640 your sect or for the sec that you trained in, 346 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:06.839 Which which are the most important? 347 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:08.720 And why? 348 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:14.119 Great great question? Well in China, because they try to 349 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.720 harmonize religions. So like when Buddhism arrived in China, it 350 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:24.400 competed with Taoism, uh, and then the authorities had a 351 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:28.960 policy called syncretism. So they wanted to harmonize religions or 352 00:20:29.000 --> 00:20:30.960 else it will be in conflict and you know, and 353 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:32.799 then that will lead to like you know, the wars 354 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:37.240 of religions in Europe, right, I mean Protestants versus Catholics. 355 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:42.319 But so you might see like Guanyin, but Guanyin is 356 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:46.480 actually like a Buddhisatta and is Buddhist, but somehow she 357 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:49.039 made it into the pantheon. But we have an equivalent 358 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:53.720 in Taoism called Shansenrin, and it's just someone similar. So 359 00:20:53.839 --> 00:21:02.000 someone who a woman who accumulated great merit and then 360 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.799 managed to become an immortal what we call a CN 361 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.200 after death, which is actually the goal of Taoism. Actually, 362 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:13.279 the goal of Taoism is to break the cycle of 363 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:16.720 reincarnation become an immortal ourselves so we don't have to 364 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:20.759 come back and suffer again, because both in general, both 365 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:25.160 Taoists and Buddhists view this earthly realm as not good 366 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:29.240 as a place of suffering in general, not everyone. 367 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:33.519 But is it in Taoism that there is like eight immortals? 368 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:37.680 Oh, you're right, yeah, yes, Actually there's a huge pantheon. 369 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:40.640 There's more than eight. There's like thousands of them actually, 370 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:44.680 But the one that you're you're mentioning, I think you 371 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:46.359 may have seen a movie about them, you may have 372 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:49.960 heard them. But there are eight immortals that are famous 373 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:54.880 because of what they did, but they all come from 374 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.480 different eras of Chinese history. Actually they didn't all live 375 00:21:57.519 --> 00:22:00.960 around the same time. But yes, I'm very press that 376 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:05.279 you know about the Basi and the Eight Immortals. Yeah, 377 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:08.519 there's actually a comedy movie Hong Kong Cinema. There's a 378 00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:13.559 comedy about them actually. But anyway, so to get back 379 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:20.680 to Wukong's question, Uh, I first glanced, it might seem 380 00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:26.599 similar actually when you enter a Taoist temple, similar as 381 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:33.880 into a Buddhist temple. But the differences are that are that, Uh, 382 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:40.559 the Taoism is uniquely Chinese and the liturgy is just 383 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:42.920 in Chinese. So if you can read and write Chinese like, 384 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:45.079 you don't need to learn a different language. Right. For example, 385 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:47.559 if you want to read the Bible was originally written 386 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:51.759 it wasn't It wasn't it Aramaic that Jesus spoke right, 387 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.240 written Hebrew, and that was translating the Greek Greek to 388 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:56.880 Latin and Latin to English. Right, So that's a lot 389 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.200 of translations. A lot could be lost in translation, but 390 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.319 in Taoos the meaning has been retained and nothing has 391 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.720 lost was lost because of because it's the same uh, 392 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:12.079 the same language, and of course Buddhism is in Sanskrit. 393 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:14.839 Now to answer Howard's question here, what's the main difference 394 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:18.480 between Taoism and Daoism. The answer is nothing. It's just 395 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:23.200 written differently because of the romanization of the Chinese language 396 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:27.440 into English before it was called Taoism, but it's technically 397 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.200 supposed to be Daoism because of what you call hanya pinion. 398 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:34.240 So I just pronounced it Taoism because it's what people 399 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:38.640 are most familiar with, but it's there's no difference. It's 400 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:39.119 the same thing. 401 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:40.839