Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: He take what help?
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I got a
Speaker 3: couple of rejects with me, and we got a new
Speaker 3: guest on, somebody that had reached out to me and
Speaker 3: was actually a fan of the show. So, I mean,
Speaker 3: what could be even better than that? Buddy hit me
Speaker 3: up at the topic that I know zero about, so
Speaker 3: I'm very excited to have him on, and I got
Speaker 3: Gin with me to help me out since I don't
Speaker 3: know much, and we got Mad here as well to
Speaker 3: drop some of his knowledge. Before we introduce uh Master
Speaker 3: Gong Swan, we will introduce Jin in Mad first, Jin,
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Speaker 4: What's the boss? Mister ninety three? Thank you you? Uh
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Speaker 4: what I'd even said, and I even told Nick I'd
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Speaker 3: Thank you very nice. Well, thank you very much for
Speaker 3: joining us. You know I was appreciate it. And uh
Speaker 3: we got Matt, what is going on? You're back on again.
Speaker 3: I always love having you here. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Oh I think you're still muted there, sir, Sorry about that.
Speaker 1: Thank you good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd love to be here as well. Always fun.
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Speaker 3: Awesome. Thank you very much, very much, Matt, and again
Speaker 3: I appreciate you making it. And finally to the guest himself,
Speaker 3: massagong Swan, thank you again for reaching out. Like I said, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of hell might I would be.
Speaker 3: I don't know much about Taoism. Crawley even got into it,
Speaker 3: but it is something I am not hip too. So
Speaker 3: please let everybody know what your deal is where they
Speaker 3: can find your stuff, and I guess we'll get into
Speaker 3: it after that.
Speaker 1: So yes, thank you very much Nick for having me on.
Speaker 1: I am a Taoist disciple and a master of the
Speaker 1: maus On set, and in Mausan style Taoism, we're known
Speaker 1: for drawing talismans. In the West, you would call it sigils.
Speaker 1: Like so something like this for example, Oh okay, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and also in this a bit more later on. And
Speaker 1: you can find me online at Master Gonson Taoism on YouTube.
Speaker 1: And I started my own lineage of Taoism called The
Speaker 1: Sweet Divine Tow and it's at Sweet Divine Tow dot com.
Speaker 3: Very nice, thank you, sir. I know we spoke a
Speaker 3: little bit prior you did kind of. I guess you
Speaker 3: said you grew up in Taoism, so I guess asking you,
Speaker 3: like what got you into this? But yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I don't know if you want to give it a
Speaker 3: little bit of background about, like, you know, how you
Speaker 3: got into the Taoism, like what I guess experiences you
Speaker 3: have and what you've studied.
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, Well I did grow up in Taoism, but
Speaker 1: I didn't really. I wasn't serious about practicing until I
Speaker 1: was in my early thirties when I had a supernatural experience.
Speaker 1: I was just briefly, I was visiting my friend in
Speaker 1: a rural part of Cambodia, and those I need to
Speaker 1: set up the background at those places there, it's really rural.
Speaker 1: It's like dirt, dusty roads, no street lights after dark.
Speaker 1: So if you find yourself without a flashlight at night,
Speaker 1: then you're flat out of luck. It's completely pure black,
Speaker 1: complete darkness. Yeah, it's extremely creepy and and the thing
Speaker 1: is it's a very haunted place that I found myself in.
Speaker 1: I was visiting a friend and the history of Cambodia
Speaker 1: was at during the reign of the Kamai Rouge. Like
Speaker 1: that's like polepot era and that nineteen seventies, lots of
Speaker 1: people were killed. Yeah. Yeah, So he was telling me,
Speaker 1: you know, when you come, you know, expect to experience
Speaker 1: some creepy things. You never know what you'll see, because
Speaker 1: lots of people were actually fifty years ago, they were
Speaker 1: killed and then they were not given a proper burial.
Speaker 1: Their bodies were haphazardly thrown into the ditch right across
Speaker 1: the street from my house. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect. I thought he was
Speaker 1: half joking, but he wasn't. But he wasn't. And instead anyway,
Speaker 1: so people keep dogs here because it's not actually to
Speaker 1: scare off thieves and robbers, because it's a small time.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows everyone else. There's only so much you can
Speaker 1: get away with. But it's actually to keep a watch
Speaker 1: out for supernatural entities. So anyway, I was at late
Speaker 1: at night, around eleven. I was in my room just working,
Speaker 1: and I noticed that the dog was barking like crazy.
Speaker 1: So I went outside and then I took my flashlight
Speaker 1: and I saw that the dog was barking at someone
Speaker 1: walking just past the gate. So I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's no big deal, because dark soon bark at people
Speaker 1: that they they know, they only bark at strangers, right,
Speaker 1: So then at twelve midnight, I heard the dark bark
Speaker 1: again like crazy. I'm thinking, well, maybe it's just another stranger,
Speaker 1: but I'm curious because who would walk past the gate
Speaker 1: this late at night. So I go and then I
Speaker 1: shine my flashlight and there by the way, that's where
Speaker 1: I tried my flashlights. By the way, I took my
Speaker 1: flashlight and showing it onto something, and then I saw
Speaker 1: the dog was barking at some and this entity was
Speaker 1: standing right between. It was the neighbor's gate actually, so
Speaker 1: neighbor's fence. So imagine like you know here right, so
Speaker 1: I'm on the balcony, it's staring down the neighbor's fences
Speaker 1: this way, and then this entity was standing between the
Speaker 1: neighbor's fence and a tractor. Now that's a very weird
Speaker 1: place for a person to stand, a very awkward place
Speaker 1: to stand, and who would do that at midnight? So anyway,
Speaker 1: and then then I show my flashlight on it, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, well, is this a person? Like what was
Speaker 1: he doing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: And I noticed his upper body is completely covered in blue.
Speaker 1: His lower body he's bringing some sort of white cloth.
Speaker 1: So blue cloth upper body, white cloth, ower body. So
Speaker 1: his face was covered up, and I could see like
Speaker 1: the the holes of where like you know, the human
Speaker 1: eyes and the nostrils and the mount would be. And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is either a scarecrow or a malmannequin
Speaker 1: or something I've never seen before. But what an awkward
Speaker 1: place to stand at midnight when the dogs noticed it,
Speaker 1: And now I realized why it appeared at midnight, because
Speaker 1: according to Taoism, that's called the hour of the Seed.
Speaker 1: It's called in Mandarin the hour of the seed, and
Speaker 1: it's the most yin right, yin yang. That's probably the
Speaker 1: most famous concept that the West knows about in terms
Speaker 1: of Taoism. It's the most in time of the entire cycle.
Speaker 1: So there we are, and then I show my light
Speaker 1: on A three once because I thought, Okay, maybe my
Speaker 1: eyes are playing tricks on me. Nope. I turn off
Speaker 1: the light and I'm thinking, okay, maybe i'm I'm just
Speaker 1: seeing things. I turn all my flash again and it's
Speaker 1: still there. I think, okay, Well, I don't drink, I
Speaker 1: don't smoke, I don't do drugs. I am completely sober.
Speaker 1: It's too early for me to be sleeping, because I
Speaker 1: don't sleep till two or three am. It's too early
Speaker 1: for me to be dreaming. So this is real. So
Speaker 1: I do the same thing again. I turn off the flashlight.
Speaker 1: I shine it back on the thing again. It's still there.
Speaker 1: And that's when I began to feel a bit creeped out,
Speaker 1: like I know, I'm not hallucinating, that's I don't know
Speaker 1: what the hell that is. But maybe I should leave
Speaker 1: well enough alone and take my friend's advice, because he
Speaker 1: told me, you'll say something, and when you do, don't interfere,
Speaker 1: don't do anything, just go back to your room. So
Speaker 1: I did. But but honestly, it didn't feel like it
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it cared about me. It didn't move
Speaker 1: or anything. It felt like I was bothering it by
Speaker 1: shining my flashlight on him. Because when you're out there
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night by yourself, if you're
Speaker 1: a human, if someone shines a flashlight on you, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you turn your head to look to see who the
Speaker 1: hell is doing that? Right? So who is that? Calm? Right? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think it was human. Whatever it was,
Speaker 1: it was my first encounter with something supernatural, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn a Taoism. I'm going to become
Speaker 1: ordained to figure out what the hell that was. I'm
Speaker 1: exaggerating a bit there, but it's incited, instigated my my
Speaker 1: interest into things that are beyond our earthly senses, beyond
Speaker 1: our five senses, things that exist but we cannot see
Speaker 1: or hear.
Speaker 3: So I I was kind of going to ask a question,
Speaker 3: and I guess you kind of answered it already, Like so,
Speaker 3: I guess this experience like somehow Taoism like rang true
Speaker 3: to you to explore becaues gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was already in Asia, and and I
Speaker 1: was exposed a bit to Buddhist beliefs as well, and
Speaker 1: because Cambodia is a very Buddhist country, but there's huge
Speaker 1: pockets of Chinese Cambodians, and I dis gravitated back towards
Speaker 1: Taoism because it's what I'm most familiar with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that. Uh, Jenna, Matt, did you have
Speaker 3: anything you wanted to ask or say?
Speaker 2: Well, I have I have got a couple questions, but
Speaker 2: I'll start with this.
Speaker 4: Master Gong set Gong stn Sorry, I'm apologe. Would you
Speaker 4: explain like just some of the cosmology, just generally for
Speaker 4: people who are like totally unfamiliar with Taoism, Like what
Speaker 4: is what does the heavenly hierarchy or like or is
Speaker 4: it ghosts or is it like what are the nature
Speaker 4: of spirits that we're talking about? And also like what
Speaker 4: is the primary focus Indaoism in terms of like is
Speaker 4: it sociological like with Christianity, where you're trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: sort of escape the worldly system or is it more
Speaker 4: cabalistic where you're escaping like the whole conceptual framework of
Speaker 4: reality that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: That's that's a great question. Well, to start off the
Speaker 1: basics is I would consider Taoism to be the Paganism
Speaker 1: or the Wicca of the East, because I see a
Speaker 1: lot of parallels about living in harmony with nature, about
Speaker 1: the guardians of the four directions, which we have in
Speaker 1: Taoism as well. It's it's very much I would say
Speaker 1: it's a chaos magic of the East. Oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh well, I think a lot of people are
Speaker 1: familiar with this. I have a lot of props to
Speaker 1: show people. But this is a what we call a
Speaker 1: tides e two. It's called yanyang symbol ties two in Mandarin.
Speaker 1: And these are the trigrams they represent the just the different. Well,
Speaker 1: this is Tien and this is Quinn, and it means
Speaker 1: like the divine yang or the sky. So the divine yin,
Speaker 1: which is the earth? Right, So I started off as observation.
Speaker 1: Actually we're observing, hey, why does the sun set every night?
Speaker 1: And why does it like come back up again in
Speaker 1: the morning. Right, So it's stuff like and through the observation,
Speaker 1: so kind of like science, where through this observation we
Speaker 1: discover certain truths about the natural world, for example, and
Speaker 1: that's where you come up with the twelve rules of
Speaker 1: a yin and yang. Right. For example, a great great
Speaker 1: yin leaves a little yang. And I'll give you an
Speaker 1: example of how that is. So it's always starknest before dawn. Right,
Speaker 1: that's the western sing around what for three or four am? Right,
Speaker 1: that is quite yin because it's really dark at that time, right,
Speaker 1: But it becomes a little yang because an hour later,
Speaker 1: hey it's sunrise. We can see daybreak. Right. So it's
Speaker 1: these these rules that that are a result of the
Speaker 1: observation of nature. So I started off very much about nature.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to And yes, and I believe someone,
Speaker 1: I mean I saw it called oh yeah, yeah, yes
Speaker 1: right right, the mini world theory. There are many other
Speaker 1: infinite number of realms. The official in the official the
Speaker 1: the what's the working for the official stance is that
Speaker 1: there are nine heavens, go ten and it's reflected in
Speaker 1: all the incantations we have. For example, when you are
Speaker 1: offering incense, for example, grab some incense here. When you're
Speaker 1: offering incense, you're spilled to recite the offering incense incantation,
Speaker 1: and the very end of that incantation is jind. It
Speaker 1: means that we want the incense to take our energy
Speaker 1: and our prayers to the nine heavens. Right, So I
Speaker 1: would say it is there's the physical realm, which is
Speaker 1: the what we call the Rincien, right, and that extends
Speaker 1: all the other planets like Mars, Mercury and all that, right,
Speaker 1: and then we have the different planes. So it's actually
Speaker 1: similar to some Western New Wage thought on the astral planes.
Speaker 1: There is an equivalent of astroprojection in Taoism as well.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, I noticed, because I just I studied
Speaker 1: a bit of Western Taoism. I've been studying a little
Speaker 1: bit because I noticed there's lots of equivalence between tawas
Speaker 1: an Eastern and Western occult very like similar. For example,
Speaker 1: the adage so was it as above so below right,
Speaker 1: that's very like Wi Cup, but that's also Taoist.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's just like, well, honestly, what you were explaining
Speaker 3: before heavens in the earth, I mean, I was above.
Speaker 1: Rh exactly right. Yeah. So somehow the ancients they didn't
Speaker 1: actually communicate, they couldn't because of the vast distances, but
Speaker 1: they all came to this essentially similar conclusions. They drew
Speaker 1: to similar conclusions just from observation.
Speaker 3: One question, one question, I just want to ask real quick,
Speaker 3: and I not to like spur off on this, but
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're into it or not. But
Speaker 3: maybe you said you were actually a fan of the channel.
Speaker 3: Have you ever noticed any stuff where you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: this sounds like Kabbala in some ways, Like do you
Speaker 3: ever see influences or ties you think to Kabbala and
Speaker 3: what you're into.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a great question. I studied a little of
Speaker 1: the Kabbala too, and they have the tree of life
Speaker 1: for example in the Kabbala, right, the crown the uh.
Speaker 1: I don't speak Hebrew because so I don't remember, but
Speaker 1: the official name is, but I remember, like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: English translations, right, and there is right, because we have
Speaker 1: the different realms of existence, right, we have the the
Speaker 1: physical realm being non physical. Right, we have the astral
Speaker 1: planes lower astral, all the way up to what mental, causal, budic, divine.
Speaker 1: And that's yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's the great comment. Everything
Speaker 1: comes back to number nine. Yeah, the nine Magic squirts
Speaker 1: and Taoism, for example, the hood to the river of
Speaker 1: the river map. It's also astrology. At the same time,
Speaker 1: the whole brand of Taoism devoted to astrology and predicting
Speaker 1: our destiny just based on our birth, our time date
Speaker 1: to year, month of birth. It's called bots of the
Speaker 1: Eight or the four Pillars. Eight characters, four pillars.
Speaker 3: Did you just say nine uh militaries squares? Did you
Speaker 3: say something like that?
Speaker 1: Uh, it's it's actually called the it's called the magic square,
Speaker 1: the Foe magic Square. There are nine squares. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are nine squares. A picture of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you see stuff like that in Agrippa, and.
Speaker 1: Like you, they all came to the same similar conclusion.
Speaker 1: So something is up there. Something must have happened there,
Speaker 1: like there's no way they were reading letters to one another.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure how they influence each other. But
Speaker 1: it's a long even up from the on the Silk Road.
Speaker 1: It's a long way from China to Europe.
Speaker 2: Well I can make an apologies, Yeah, just.
Speaker 5: One click, isn't it on Taoism?
Speaker 6: Also that they have this, I don't remember if it's
Speaker 6: on the Talaging or where is it they have it?
Speaker 6: Like from the Taul came the the Yang, from the
Speaker 6: Yang king, the Ying, and then from all the things
Speaker 6: something like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, I don't I love that one there.
Speaker 1: I love that picture.
Speaker 6: If you can, if you can recite it, because because
Speaker 6: like in Kabala, it's going to be more or less
Speaker 6: the same, the same idea, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and then everything. Yeah, the primordial chaos, the wood,
Speaker 1: he gave rise to the Taisi from one yet gives
Speaker 1: us to the two, two to three and three king
Speaker 1: ten thousand things. Yeah, that you're right, that's exactly from
Speaker 1: the town that see and that is written by someone
Speaker 1: called Lauds. It means the old one. Actually, he didn't
Speaker 1: actually found Taoism, but he he's very much revered and
Speaker 1: honored in the faith.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, Matt is really good
Speaker 4: at the Bakuah and like even yeah, even better than
Speaker 4: me at.
Speaker 2: The sort of like the eight triagrams.
Speaker 4: He kind of gets it, like he kind of Matt
Speaker 4: has mapped it to Kabala through his system. So I
Speaker 4: just want to say, so he's quite good at it.
Speaker 4: But I wanted to follow up on what you said
Speaker 4: about Lolzza because I think a lot of people misunderstand
Speaker 4: like that point. Like you know, every there are different
Speaker 4: kinds of Daoists, as you said, and there are different
Speaker 4: sort of cosmologies that are both more esoteric cosmology exists,
Speaker 4: but then also like a quote unquote folk cosmology exists,
Speaker 4: where they might put a Buddha or they might put
Speaker 4: jade emperor, or they might put guan y In depending
Speaker 4: on like your level of I guess knowledge in the esoterica.
Speaker 4: So can you just explain, like what what happens when
Speaker 4: like a person who's never experienced Daoism walks into a
Speaker 4: Taoist temple, Like what should they expect to see?
Speaker 2: What should they like take note of?
Speaker 4: And like what spirits are especially for your school or
Speaker 4: your sect or for the sec that you trained in,
Speaker 4: Which which are the most important?
Speaker 2: And why?
Speaker 1: Great great question? Well in China, because they try to
Speaker 1: harmonize religions. So like when Buddhism arrived in China, it
Speaker 1: competed with Taoism, uh, and then the authorities had a
Speaker 1: policy called syncretism. So they wanted to harmonize religions or
Speaker 1: else it will be in conflict and you know, and
Speaker 1: then that will lead to like you know, the wars
Speaker 1: of religions in Europe, right, I mean Protestants versus Catholics.
Speaker 1: But so you might see like Guanyin, but Guanyin is
Speaker 1: actually like a Buddhisatta and is Buddhist, but somehow she
Speaker 1: made it into the pantheon. But we have an equivalent
Speaker 1: in Taoism called Shansenrin, and it's just someone similar. So
Speaker 1: someone who a woman who accumulated great merit and then
Speaker 1: managed to become an immortal what we call a CN
Speaker 1: after death, which is actually the goal of Taoism. Actually,
Speaker 1: the goal of Taoism is to break the cycle of
Speaker 1: reincarnation become an immortal ourselves so we don't have to
Speaker 1: come back and suffer again, because both in general, both
Speaker 1: Taoists and Buddhists view this earthly realm as not good
Speaker 1: as a place of suffering in general, not everyone.
Speaker 6: But is it in Taoism that there is like eight immortals?
Speaker 1: Oh, you're right, yeah, yes, Actually there's a huge pantheon.
Speaker 1: There's more than eight. There's like thousands of them actually,
Speaker 1: But the one that you're you're mentioning, I think you
Speaker 1: may have seen a movie about them, you may have
Speaker 1: heard them. But there are eight immortals that are famous
Speaker 1: because of what they did, but they all come from
Speaker 1: different eras of Chinese history. Actually they didn't all live
Speaker 1: around the same time. But yes, I'm very press that
Speaker 1: you know about the Basi and the Eight Immortals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's actually a comedy movie Hong Kong Cinema. There's a
Speaker 1: comedy about them actually. But anyway, so to get back
Speaker 1: to Wukong's question, Uh, I first glanced, it might seem
Speaker 1: similar actually when you enter a Taoist temple, similar as
Speaker 1: into a Buddhist temple. But the differences are that are that, Uh,
Speaker 1: the Taoism is uniquely Chinese and the liturgy is just
Speaker 1: in Chinese. So if you can read and write Chinese like,
Speaker 1: you don't need to learn a different language. Right. For example,
Speaker 1: if you want to read the Bible was originally written
Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't it Aramaic that Jesus spoke right,
Speaker 1: written Hebrew, and that was translating the Greek Greek to
Speaker 1: Latin and Latin to English. Right, So that's a lot
Speaker 1: of translations. A lot could be lost in translation, but
Speaker 1: in Taoos the meaning has been retained and nothing has
Speaker 1: lost was lost because of because it's the same uh,
Speaker 1: the same language, and of course Buddhism is in Sanskrit.
Speaker 1: Now to answer Howard's question here, what's the main difference
Speaker 1: between Taoism and Daoism. The answer is nothing. It's just
Speaker 1: written differently because of the romanization of the Chinese language
Speaker 1: into English before it was called Taoism, but it's technically
Speaker 1: supposed to be Daoism because of what you call hanya pinion.
Speaker 1: So I just pronounced it Taoism because it's what people
Speaker 1: are most familiar with, but it's there's no difference. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 3: I thought I was fucking that all up. I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: I've been mispronouncing it this whole time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have a question because you mentioned the bald zi,
Speaker 6: which is I guess what people in West would call it?
Speaker 6: The astrology, right if I'm not mistaken, Yes, But also
Speaker 6: I'll say most likely people who only know it by
Speaker 6: their like but then we would associate it as the
Speaker 6: year's time. But I'm pretty sure much more complex than that,
Speaker 6: Like anytime i'd try to search something about it, there's
Speaker 6: like a million other things obviously, and I'd like to
Speaker 6: understand from you, like how do you if you do
Speaker 6: use it in your practice in some way, because for example,
Speaker 6: in Western magic, you can use a shorge for a
Speaker 6: lot of things. You can use it to plan some
Speaker 6: ritual or to like consecrate like we were talking about
Speaker 6: the schedules, you can make some schitus or some talis
Speaker 6: months based on the startge thing or you can you know,
Speaker 6: like plan ahead, you can do a lot of stuff,
Speaker 6: or like read someone, you can do any things. So
Speaker 6: I'm interested to understand from your point of view, if
Speaker 6: maybe in your school or from what you know about tourism,
Speaker 6: how they how they use this with all this two
Speaker 6: great question.
Speaker 1: It's around us. It's about the same. We use it
Speaker 1: just as two because there are actually five different applications
Speaker 1: of Taoism, and the spots of the astrology is a
Speaker 1: part of what we call destiny studies. It's called a
Speaker 1: meaning share and it's like it's not set in stone,
Speaker 1: but like if you calculate someone's spots, that you can
Speaker 1: figure out what their life is likely to be if
Speaker 1: they continue to be on the same path and make
Speaker 1: like the same decisions. Right, But we have this in
Speaker 1: order to get a glimpse into the future. And it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a warning, right if you don't change,
Speaker 1: if you're going to be like this, and this is
Speaker 1: what your future will likely be like. So yes, we
Speaker 1: use it too for similar purposes.
Speaker 5: Nice, And they're like, is it two? Because for example,
Speaker 5: with astrology, in Western astrology.
Speaker 6: A lot of people will obviously then only know their
Speaker 6: sun sign and then people will make a lot of
Speaker 6: associations from that, but it's not like you should then
Speaker 6: in the sun Australogy, it's not exactly like that. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of other things in the sun is like
Speaker 6: just a small part of it. So I guess the
Speaker 6: same happens with when someone just knows their year time
Speaker 6: from from Balsa. Would you, like, I don't know if
Speaker 6: if it makes sense here too, just like maybe give
Speaker 6: a small clarification of how is it? Uh, how's it formed?
Speaker 6: Because for something in astrology have all these signs and
Speaker 6: then you have houses and so on. But as far
Speaker 6: as I know it about you have the have like pillars.
Speaker 1: Right right, well, we have we have it. What we
Speaker 1: have we need to know the exact like hour and minutes,
Speaker 1: day dates, month and year of someone's birth right and
Speaker 1: then that's pared with the the what we call the
Speaker 1: the ten trying to translate this into English, ten heavenly
Speaker 1: stems and the twelfth earthly No no, I know, I
Speaker 1: got that mixed up ten heavenly branches and the twelfth
Speaker 1: earthly pillars. And I'll give you example of what it is.
Speaker 1: Actually it's actually all here. Uh, it's written in Chinese
Speaker 1: but like, because I mentioned, I have this thing here
Speaker 1: and so that's the taisy two or the Unian symbol, right,
Speaker 1: the trigrams and here on the outer part is actually
Speaker 1: the old Chinese calendar. So stuff like for example, you
Speaker 1: know le don is like the establishment of winter soushre
Speaker 1: little snow, just based on observations of China anyway, because
Speaker 1: I know that in other countries in the tropical areas, right,
Speaker 1: they don't have snow, right, and they're humid all year around. Right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so then that's paired with stuff like this
Speaker 1: what we call I mentioned actually something called that this, right,
Speaker 1: and that's the ancient Chinese way of telling time. This
Speaker 1: is the hour of the seed and that's around eleven
Speaker 1: pm to one am, and that's the most in time
Speaker 1: of night. And yeah, so that's paired with the so
Speaker 1: someone's birth would be paired with the heavenly stems and
Speaker 1: the earthly ranches and uh. And then and then we
Speaker 1: look at compatibility, and that also has you have to
Speaker 1: pair that with the twelve phases. I think that's a
Speaker 1: better translation. Some people call it elements, but it's not
Speaker 1: true because these there are phases because like water, earth
Speaker 1: and all that they turn into each other. Right, so
Speaker 1: there's a yeah, but that's similar to in the Western occult.
Speaker 1: Right you have like air, you know, water, fire? Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we see and it's all about balance and
Speaker 1: we see if there's conflict or if there's balance, right,
Speaker 1: if someone has too much fire or not enough water, right,
Speaker 1: and that could lead to certain events.
Speaker 5: Very nice.
Speaker 6: And do you, personally or yours who has any like
Speaker 6: daily practice, like something that you you kind.
Speaker 5: Of want to do daily.
Speaker 6: Maybe okay if you miss a day or whatever, but
Speaker 6: like you want to do daily, you should probably do daily.
Speaker 1: Oh great question. I love that question. Yes I do.
Speaker 1: I like to practice the light of the Golden I
Speaker 1: mean sorry, what is it called the Sutra of the
Speaker 1: Golden Light? Uh? And for those of you familiar with
Speaker 1: Buddhism you may have heard of that. It's the light
Speaker 1: from technically from the sun. And this is what it
Speaker 1: looks like in talisman form. I'll explain. Here is the
Speaker 1: sigil of the Golden light, and this is this. Individually
Speaker 1: they have meaning, but put together this has no meaning.
Speaker 1: So even for someone who can reach Chinese but is
Speaker 1: not Taois, they don't know what it means this is
Speaker 1: this refers directly to the Zuwako, meaning the purple Palace
Speaker 1: of the Jade Emperor in the heavens. So, and that's
Speaker 1: that's where the golden light comes from. So I practiced
Speaker 1: this because it's a part of cultivation what we call that.
Speaker 1: You may have heard of, Teak, and it helps for
Speaker 1: me to cultivate not just my own energy, but also
Speaker 1: also it actually protects the gains. Like for example, if
Speaker 1: you see any or encounter any evil entities, you just
Speaker 1: recite the what we call the suit of the Golden
Speaker 1: Light and then you mentally draw this in the air
Speaker 1: or like with your fingers, and that's that's gonna scare
Speaker 1: them off, and it'll make you calm down as well
Speaker 1: make you feel better too.
Speaker 2: That was a great question, Matt. I have a quick
Speaker 2: follow up.
Speaker 4: So, gestural magic is really associated with Daoism, especially in
Speaker 4: the West, and because of like all the famous movies
Speaker 4: like I love the Mister Vampire series. Personally, I love
Speaker 4: Chinese like all Hong Kong cinema. Every anyone who grows
Speaker 4: up in the West like that is Chinese descent. They
Speaker 4: love They pretty much love Hong Kong movies. So that's
Speaker 4: a given.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But then also the when you showed the Fulu charm
Speaker 4: or the seal charm, the you're right that I cannot
Speaker 4: read the characters, even though anominally I can read Chinese,
Speaker 4: but there is one character that I do recognize, so
Speaker 4: it's lightning late. So this is a really important idea
Speaker 4: in Daoism that like the descent of the lation, Like
Speaker 4: can you explain a little bit about the master dongsn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly there's something called thunder magic in Taoism where
Speaker 1: you try to try to absorb the young energy and
Speaker 1: there's a certain practice that that's well, that you cultivate
Speaker 1: it every day. But but you're right about that, Like
Speaker 1: this here, this is the root radical. It means rain.
Speaker 1: So the fact that we have rain here means that
Speaker 1: in early ancient times, Taoism was actually associated with shamanism
Speaker 1: because the shamans which tried to summon rain and the drought.
Speaker 1: So that's why we have uh this character here, you're
Speaker 1: meaning rain, and of course, and that's very similar to
Speaker 1: lay meaning thunder because it's all weather phenomena. But we
Speaker 1: certainly need all the the rain because it's life affirming,
Speaker 1: it's life giving, right with a water, right, we would
Speaker 1: all die within a few few days moisture right, Yes,
Speaker 1: so that is exactly and that's a really good question too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're all sorts of different cultivation. In cultivation and Taoism,
Speaker 1: an thunder magic is one of them. For sure. You're
Speaker 1: supposed to actually absorb the young energy because we want
Speaker 1: to be in a state of balance. We can't just
Speaker 1: have yin all the time. Right. In fact, if you
Speaker 1: die in a state or too much energy, you become
Speaker 1: what we call a gay Cian and it means an immortal.
Speaker 1: But you're a ghost and not in a good way.
Speaker 1: You're like stuck in a lope. Yeah, yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: too much un energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, residual haunting. That's turning into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're becoming evil spirit like Grigis watch.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great movie. It's really scary. I find
Speaker 1: it pretty scary. But no, that's a really scary wild
Speaker 1: that's great. Yeah, it's it's excellent. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: everything they have twis priests battling hopping corpses called jens
Speaker 1: Uh And yeah, and I love mister Vampire too. It's
Speaker 1: very It sparks a lot of like curiosity uh, in Taoism,
Speaker 1: because that the priests in that movie was of the
Speaker 1: same sect as I am. Mouthsign and that's what we're
Speaker 1: known for. We're known for writing these sigils and battling
Speaker 1: hopping corpses. I've never seen one myself, so you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not one of those you know, movie star Tawis priests.
Speaker 1: I'm just a humble practitioner and to teach people.
Speaker 3: Uh jin, did you have any any other questions?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Gesture magic, So how important is that to Taoism? And
Speaker 4: we like I know that Nick talks about this when
Speaker 4: he was in the Oto, like he would do the
Speaker 4: lesser managing pentagram the greater punishing pentagram, and.
Speaker 2: They do a lot of hand gestures.
Speaker 4: But like from where I like, my background is more
Speaker 4: chaos magic and then also grimoires. So for me, I
Speaker 4: didn't nobody was like, oh, you need to do this gesture,
Speaker 4: this gesture. It was kind of like free flow until
Speaker 4: I really got it to be a serious Buddhist like
Speaker 4: later and I learned how to do pujes for myself.
Speaker 2: But just explain, like how important is that and.
Speaker 4: What in what modes do you employ them?
Speaker 1: Great question? Uh, these are called they're from the Sanskrit
Speaker 1: actter the word moudra, right, the gestures and uh, and
Speaker 1: that's that's what it's called. So we use them to
Speaker 1: empower and seal certain incantations. For example, I mentioned the
Speaker 1: sutra of of the Golden Light. This one here right,
Speaker 1: So whenever I practice I there are many murders you
Speaker 1: can actually do. For example, you can do two sword
Speaker 1: muders here and then and then just being chanting, or
Speaker 1: you can do this one here, uh and uh. So
Speaker 1: it depends on which incantation that you're chanting. Like I
Speaker 1: chant that one I mentioned the Golden Light. I also
Speaker 1: chant the it's called seeing scenes and so meaning the
Speaker 1: purifying the heart or mind incantation. So this one is
Speaker 1: here like this right, and and just speak in to chant,
Speaker 1: and I envisioned the sigitl. The sigil is important too,
Speaker 1: because when you're chanting, you have to be completely using
Speaker 1: your visualization skills and to imagine whatever sigil is associated
Speaker 1: with your incantation that has to go within your body
Speaker 1: to empower empower yourself. Yeah and uh yeah mudras right,
Speaker 1: and so that this is like the purifying heart. And
Speaker 1: then if you purify your mouth and this is called
Speaker 1: there's something similar in the Kambala where you have to
Speaker 1: purify your It's called logos or I don't remember what
Speaker 1: it is. You guys are much more experts in Western
Speaker 1: occult than I am. But you have to clean your
Speaker 1: mouth before your incantations will be effective, right and then
Speaker 1: and then like the moodrip comes down here for the
Speaker 1: purifying the mouth incantation. So yes, great question, uh mister Wukongjin,
Speaker 1: because and that that I believe it's I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if maybe one influenced the other, but I think how
Speaker 1: I may have gotten the mud thing from Buddhism. I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Lasha, thank you very much for that. I
Speaker 2: appreciate that.
Speaker 4: But I think that you're right in like there has
Speaker 4: been a lot of French scholarship on the sort of
Speaker 4: the transmission in the first and second century especially. But
Speaker 4: then also when you have like the mix, I know
Speaker 4: this ignites everyone in the chat. But if you say,
Speaker 4: like the Scythians, there was a there was a group
Speaker 4: of mixed Scythians. So they weren't one hundred percent, but
Speaker 4: they were mixed, and they came into China and Amoga
Speaker 4: Vajra is the most famous with his flaming red hair,
Speaker 4: and anyways, he came in and so a lot of
Speaker 4: the Daoist magic, what Daois magic looks like now, and
Speaker 4: Buddhist magic as well was influenced directly in this kind
Speaker 4: of syncretic time. So there's an idea that maybe the
Speaker 4: sigils either came from Daoism or came from Buddhism and
Speaker 4: they sort of enter married and they became like more
Speaker 4: of a spiritual technology like that is more universal in
Speaker 4: Central and East Asia.
Speaker 2: Or vice versa, so I think.
Speaker 4: And and also the mudras, so the mudra's definitely come
Speaker 4: from Buddhism, but I think that it's like a mutual
Speaker 4: adoption like different mythologies, like you were saying the sword mudra.
Speaker 4: So like obviously we do all the mudras and we
Speaker 4: visualize the bija so just very similar as the sigil,
Speaker 4: or we use the whole mantra, and some mantras can
Speaker 4: be written in Chinese, as I'm sure you know this.
Speaker 4: This is more for like people who who are unfamiliar,
Speaker 4: and sometimes they can be visualized also as deities, but
Speaker 4: the deities themselves are actually the word. So and then
Speaker 4: this also links it to what you were saying about
Speaker 4: the logos and kabbola. So it all kind of there
Speaker 4: is a kind of interflow in a way that this
Speaker 4: all makes sense. And I just want to point out
Speaker 4: that you're totally correct about the having a clean mouth.
Speaker 2: But this is not just kabbala.
Speaker 4: This is also in contra we I'm sure as you
Speaker 4: know this, and especially in Chinese Mahayana Buddhism, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of dietary restrictions based on the lunar calendar.
Speaker 2: Well, I also cannot.
Speaker 4: Eat before I do mourning sona, so like we don't
Speaker 4: eat ragostic foods if we're doing certain parts of it,
Speaker 4: meaning like garlic, onions, chilis.
Speaker 2: Like all that tumasaka and rajostic foods.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's a it's definitely the idea of like
Speaker 4: ritual purity is really important for us as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very well said. Just to add on to that,
Speaker 1: because I have here, I have drawn what we call
Speaker 1: one of the sigils. So this is so we see
Speaker 1: I meaning the offering of the instance sigil for this.
Speaker 1: Now this part is Chinese, but this is not so
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure where the sigils come from, but
Speaker 1: you mentioned it could very well be if it's from Buddhism,
Speaker 1: maybe this is like Sanskript perhaps, or maybe it was
Speaker 1: influenced by sanscrit. But this is definitely not Chinese writing.
Speaker 1: I know that's how you you're supposed to write the sigil,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure where it came from.
Speaker 4: This is my last thing, and then I'll let I
Speaker 4: I'll let Nak or Maco I apologize the There is
Speaker 4: actually a magical script that is specifically developed for writing
Speaker 4: magical language in Buddhism that they're talking that is called
Speaker 4: Sidam script. And so you can actually construct entire sutras
Speaker 4: so exoteric text like you could write a Bible in
Speaker 4: Cindam script. But because the cinem script has innately magical
Speaker 4: meaning and maybe preserved in and of itself, that it
Speaker 4: can actually in part also a magical meaning. So even
Speaker 4: though it's a sutra, it can impart grimoire kind of
Speaker 4: knowledge as well. But maybe you don't the regular practitioner
Speaker 4: wouldn't necessarily know right away.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool.
Speaker 6: I have a question as well. So there seems to
Speaker 6: be a lot of things. I mean, when I think
Speaker 6: about like Chinese Terroriism or like or like mysticism or
Speaker 6: from the area, and there are a lot of things
Speaker 6: that I'm then I'm not necessarily sure if Taoism is
Speaker 6: going to be the root or but.
Speaker 5: Certainly somehow connected. For example, thank.
Speaker 6: Stuari with I'm butchering the word by the way, sorry
Speaker 6: about that, but so I know, for example, obviously then
Speaker 6: it gets drained on and even though when it comes
Speaker 6: to the West it gets even worse. Again, like with
Speaker 6: the same idea, people just knowing there about the year's time,
Speaker 6: thanks shut they would just think, oh, it's just about
Speaker 6: like putting this there and so, but there's a whole
Speaker 6: other there's many other things behind it. But would you like,
Speaker 6: is there a set of practices or like teachings maybe
Speaker 6: that are connected necessarily to talk to Taoism or is
Speaker 6: it for example, fanctually is the thing that came afterwards
Speaker 6: after someone learned howism they kind of came up with it.
Speaker 5: That's what I am a mask or is it a
Speaker 5: great part of the thing?
Speaker 1: Great question, that's a part of what what it's called
Speaker 1: the Wuzoo meaning the five arts. So I mentioned destiny studies,
Speaker 1: that's one of them, right, is actually I'll let me
Speaker 1: put it this way. So bats remember the bots of
Speaker 1: the four pillars, eight characters. That's that's your astrology, right,
Speaker 1: that's the diagnosis. Fumsu would be the cure. Right, how
Speaker 1: do we live more in harmony with nature? Right? Should
Speaker 1: I build my house next to a cemetery? Right? In
Speaker 1: Eastern culture it's a huge tabit, Like no Chinese person
Speaker 1: would want to live next to a cemetery. It may
Speaker 1: not be that might be a cultural thing, may not
Speaker 1: be the same in Western culture, but certain areas are
Speaker 1: not do not have good functry, and that could affect
Speaker 1: the health and the prosperity of all the inhabitants of
Speaker 1: that house. So yes, that is one of the five
Speaker 1: for the five arts that have been derived from Taoism.
Speaker 6: Nice, So would you say, like then badi like being
Speaker 6: the first one, thanks for being the last one, and
Speaker 6: then what would be the ones in between?
Speaker 5: Like the other three?
Speaker 1: Oh? All right, there's also traditional Chinese medicine, So there's
Speaker 1: the right. There is because of course the destiny studies, right,
Speaker 1: And there's also because functually would actually be a part
Speaker 1: of like how best to how best to live more
Speaker 1: in harmony with nature? In order to be healthy and prosperous.
Speaker 1: And yes, and there's also and that would be a
Speaker 1: part of like I would say, divination studies. And of
Speaker 1: course you've heard the zeene right around ye ching in
Speaker 1: the West, right, that's our form of divination as well.
Speaker 1: We used to well we're supposed to use yarrow sticks
Speaker 1: or your auro stalks, but you could use coins for
Speaker 1: that as well. And the rest of them are Also
Speaker 1: there's another called siang meaning physical inspection, meaning that physiognomy,
Speaker 1: that's what it's called in the West, where we look
Speaker 1: at how bigger noses in order to see how much
Speaker 1: money you'll make at age thirty two for example, right.
Speaker 1: And also there's also one called mountain meaning sun, and
Speaker 1: that has to do with alchemy, immortality and like tigunga
Speaker 1: and all that and cultivation. Yeah, so those are the
Speaker 1: five nice thanks, Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: I do know that you did say you had some
Speaker 3: stuff that you wanted to show. Besides, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you've got to show everything that you wanted to show,
Speaker 3: but could you maybe we start off with explaining your outfit.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, this is what I would wear during ordinary times.
Speaker 1: So in this respect, I'm more different from a Catholic priest,
Speaker 1: because I remember when I used to attend church, they
Speaker 1: would wear green during ordinary times when they celebrate masks,
Speaker 1: but they would change to what was it. I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but it was a different color, like was it white
Speaker 1: or whatever it was to attend I mean to celebrate
Speaker 1: Christmas Mass or Eastern Mass, of course, Easter being the
Speaker 1: most important holiday in the Christian calendar because of the
Speaker 1: resurrection of Christ. And yeah, so this is what I
Speaker 1: wouldn't normally wear just on a regular day. I'm not
Speaker 1: affiliated with the temple anymore. I used to be in
Speaker 1: Hong Kong. That's where I learned my my my craft.
Speaker 1: And this is a regular Taois hat called dom mao.
Speaker 1: And we have the of course of the taisi too,
Speaker 1: and the guinea and symbol and the trigrams and uh.
Speaker 1: And in order to practice Taoism, you actually need to
Speaker 1: have a lot of tools. You need to invest in
Speaker 1: some tools, but they're not that expensive, like, for example,
Speaker 1: I have two ceremonial swords here right. And this Jen
Speaker 1: might be familiar with because if you remember from the
Speaker 1: Mister Vampire series, the Towers Priests played by Linsang Nin
Speaker 1: He had a This is called a coin sword, right,
Speaker 1: and it's actually made of ancient Chinese coins. This is
Speaker 1: just a reproquest, not actually real coins, but and it's
Speaker 1: in that shape and uh and another kind is peachwood.
Speaker 1: And these two swords are meant to stop the chance
Speaker 1: of the hopping corpses from well, from eating you from yeah,
Speaker 1: and yes, and so there's this and this is given
Speaker 1: to me by my master, actually consecrated or otherwise to
Speaker 1: call that tai kwang or opening the light. I have
Speaker 1: this one too, with a special sigil here. And these
Speaker 1: are just ceremonial swords, but they are actually meant to
Speaker 1: protect you against supernatural entities as well. And you'll notice
Speaker 1: that this is not sharp. It's not sharp because it's
Speaker 1: not a letter opener, and it's not meant to harm
Speaker 1: other people. It's not meant to hurt humans. It's meant
Speaker 1: to hurt ghosts, and ghosts are not physical, so it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it is sharp. My ghosts can't get
Speaker 1: hurt by this, but they can through the magical incantations
Speaker 1: and the consecration. Yeah. So, so lots of things that
Speaker 1: we kind of need to invest in, but they're not
Speaker 1: really that expensive, you know, And this is of course
Speaker 1: the tellsman the sigil this paper.
Speaker 2: Masters and I have a follow up for the sort. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that. This is my favorite part.
Speaker 4: But how important is ghost both veneration and exorcism? Like
Speaker 4: I kind of know the answer to not necessarily your answer,
Speaker 4: but I kind of.
Speaker 2: Have an idea of it.
Speaker 4: But for people who don't know or aren't familiar, especially
Speaker 4: with the diaspora, how important it is to have someone
Speaker 4: who can sort of perform these rights of.
Speaker 2: Mediation we'll say.
Speaker 4: Between the spiritual world and the human world, especially because
Speaker 4: the importance of ghost worship in Chinese culture generally and
Speaker 4: just Southeast Asia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, go into that a little bit if you
Speaker 2: don't mind.
Speaker 1: Oh, certainly. Yeah, that's a great question. So it's always
Speaker 1: better to have someone to know what they're doing, to
Speaker 1: mediate right to act as a medium. I mean, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do surgery on yourself, right, It's always
Speaker 1: good to have someone who knows what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And about the ghost magic thing, some Taois practitioners love
Speaker 1: to work with ghosts because ghosts are I mean, you
Speaker 1: can pray to the Taois gods, right, and they're just
Speaker 1: divine manifestations of the taw. You can pray to them,
Speaker 1: but it takes a while for them to answer. But
Speaker 1: if you work with spirits, the results are almost instantaneous,
Speaker 1: and that's why a lot of people love to work
Speaker 1: with the spirits. For example, I used to live in
Speaker 1: Thailand and there are people who pray to someone called me.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know this very well, yes, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw the movie. Actually there's many movies based on that.
Speaker 1: I saw the comedy on Netflix. But yeah, they pray
Speaker 1: to her and and honestly, she came to me a
Speaker 1: dream when I was trying to figure out when I
Speaker 1: just started doing this, I try to figure out who
Speaker 1: should I work with, and she came to me a
Speaker 1: dream and said, you can work with me. I didn't
Speaker 1: end up going down that path because although the results
Speaker 1: with ghosts are instantaneous, I think they are unpredictable sometimes
Speaker 1: and that's why I don't work with them. But certainly,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people, especially in the indigenous practices
Speaker 1: of Southeast Asia, they love to work to work with spirits.
Speaker 1: Even in Taoism, we have a practice called the Walkway
Speaker 1: the Five Ghosts where we actually I don't have because
Speaker 1: I don't practice that sort of magic, so I don't
Speaker 1: have an example. But it's made from the same paper
Speaker 1: as a thousand paper, and it's you have like five
Speaker 1: dunny cutouts in the shape of ghosts and then you
Speaker 1: and then you find out which ghosts you want to
Speaker 1: work with. Actually, and I can get kind of a
Speaker 1: chromatic and macomber. Actually you're supposed to go to like
Speaker 1: a graveyard at night and do a bunch of sermon,
Speaker 1: which is similar to Western occultism. I'm sure.
Speaker 6: Is it on Taoism or is it a thank stray
Speaker 6: that they have like different schools, Like is it like
Speaker 6: red hat, black hats something like that.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, I believe that's more of a functory. But
Speaker 1: there are many different schools in Taoism. We have we
Speaker 1: have like different branches kind of like you know, Orthodox Catholicism, Protestantism.
Speaker 1: We have that sung e Orthodox unity we have, and
Speaker 1: then we have another branch trends In, which is trends
Speaker 1: in it means complete reality and they do a lot
Speaker 1: of scriptural reading and so they reade it doubted seeing
Speaker 1: and unlike the Christian Bible, there's only like you know,
Speaker 1: the old New Testament. In Taoism, there's over one thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred books that are considered canon, like holy scriptures.
Speaker 1: I don't know them all and I have not certainly
Speaker 1: not read them all, but I actually do go over
Speaker 1: the main ones on my YouTube channel. I go over
Speaker 1: the Doubt, that's seeing the Huawu, seeing the Uh, the
Speaker 1: civilizing the Barbarian Sutra literally that's what it means, and
Speaker 1: UH and the and the winds. But there's no way
Speaker 1: I can do you know all one thousand five hundred
Speaker 1: books in a lifetime.
Speaker 6: Are they different types of books?
Speaker 5: For example? I know, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think it's in like more of the Greek Kramatism
Speaker 6: Swan they have, or like in Vedic astrology or certain
Speaker 6: Vedic stuff as well they have kind of some books
Speaker 6: are like poems, and some others are like stories, and
Speaker 6: some others are like you know, like different kind.
Speaker 5: Of types of books or scriptures. There work similarly.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there are, there are, because because there are,
Speaker 1: Like it's not all written by by launce. Laos is
Speaker 1: kind of considered the founder, although he didn't found. He
Speaker 1: just like wrote a few things down, but but he
Speaker 1: is very much venerated. But there are other practitioners who
Speaker 1: who But basically anyone who is considered like an asstted master,
Speaker 1: like can write a Taoist text and that would be
Speaker 1: considered canon. You may have heard of like the Bob,
Speaker 1: who's the embracing simplicity. Uh, there are gmoirs like the
Speaker 1: Luban who I have a talisman actually about that, Actually
Speaker 1: about Luban. This is the equivalent of what is it?
Speaker 1: What's the famous? Like Gramaran is Agrippa. There's three are famous.
Speaker 2: It was Agrippa is the most famous? Maybe the Keys of.
Speaker 1: Solomon, right right, That's exactly what I was thinking of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is like Luban is the equivalent of like
Speaker 1: the Keys of Solomon, the Chinese equivalent, tow was equivalent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then that's that is considered canon as well. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's just uh, there's too many books for for
Speaker 1: any priest to know in a lifetime, but there are
Speaker 1: some mean ones.
Speaker 4: Great question, Matt. I have a follow up actually, because
Speaker 4: MAT's question was so good that we've discussed sometimes in
Speaker 4: our great lodge spaces the importance of what we call
Speaker 4: folks sutras or like the coot.
Speaker 2: Or like yeast from the Marsh.
Speaker 4: Or like there there are deep Taoist and Buddhists both
Speaker 4: kind of like a mixture folk religious framework that is
Speaker 4: in them and some sext do you consider those quote
Speaker 4: unquote sutras, So if you don't mind making a comment
Speaker 4: on that, and I'd appreciate that certainly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is right on my alley. That's one of
Speaker 1: the four classics of Chinese literature. A lots of the marsh.
Speaker 1: It's also called was a band of something about brothers anyway,
Speaker 1: it's culture.
Speaker 2: Well, men are brothers.
Speaker 1: It has because organizations of it. Yeah, I just know
Speaker 1: it's culture in in in, in Mandarin. But but yes,
Speaker 1: those are you talking about, like specific sutras that are
Speaker 1: mentioned in in that those works of literature. That's great
Speaker 1: works of literature of course.
Speaker 4: So of course in Journey to the West, the coz
Speaker 4: that that is a very important concept of the sutra
Speaker 4: being hidden within the actual novel itself. But then also
Speaker 4: some sex. I don't know for everybody that I know
Speaker 4: in Taiwan that there are some sex that actually and
Speaker 4: probably Hong Kong as well, maybe Singapore and the like
Speaker 4: that I asked believe that the actual cooz is a
Speaker 4: sutric text, or they at least associate it with being
Speaker 4: a heterodox part.
Speaker 2: Of the greater canon. Right, right, that's a very good question.
Speaker 1: Well, of the four great works of Chinese literature, I
Speaker 1: love Coot the most. It's the most like fantastical.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We have some of coen Is, you know Tisa R. B.
Speaker 1: In the seventy two transformations. We have the the tinguang Ku,
Speaker 1: the say I can't think of the English word, the
Speaker 1: thing over his head that titans if he disobeys his master.
Speaker 2: Right, you usually call it a circlet.
Speaker 1: There we go, thank you.
Speaker 4: But it's not doesn't I think for English audience, I
Speaker 4: don't know if that totally makes sense, but that's what
Speaker 4: they usually translate.
Speaker 1: So will you go, oh, all right, thank you. But anyway,
Speaker 1: but that I realized that that is actually an easy
Speaker 1: question because that's Buddhists. So I'm not actually too sure
Speaker 1: because I'm not Buddhists. But that might be considered canon
Speaker 1: in Buddhism because we do know that the author of that,
Speaker 1: the author of the of COT. I believe it's unknown.
Speaker 1: If I'm it's never been ascertained.
Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, he has a kind of Taoist
Speaker 4: pseudonym or a Buddhist pseudonym that could be read as
Speaker 4: emptiness as well, like his name is emptiness.
Speaker 2: But that's only one way.
Speaker 4: Chinese obviously has so many ways to express similar or
Speaker 4: even the same thing, but in very different ways, using
Speaker 4: different characters in different words.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, that's true, right, yeah, that's good. That
Speaker 1: is very Tawis and Buddhists, right because or disciple like
Speaker 1: Pixie is like wood sing or is it? I keep
Speaker 1: it mixing them up, and then you know Sandy is
Speaker 1: like wood sine. Yeah, but there is yeah, that emptiness part. Yes,
Speaker 1: I believe that if it is it could be canon
Speaker 1: if whoever wrote that has is said to have attained
Speaker 1: a certain level of cultivation of the town. But it
Speaker 1: depends on who the author is and how how much
Speaker 1: he has cultivated.
Speaker 4: That was a great That was a great answer, Sorry, Mary.
Speaker 5: Yeah it was.
Speaker 6: It was very nice learning about a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 6: And I was curious to understand Also the purpose of
Speaker 6: the hat you're wearing, if it's like similar to maybe
Speaker 6: a kipa from the Jewish, like kind of protecting the
Speaker 6: protecting the head. So there's the symbol, is it? I
Speaker 6: remember the name right now, I know it in for cheese.
Speaker 5: Is how we call.
Speaker 6: Purchases like the the before heaven or something that, like
Speaker 6: the heaven from before or whatever.
Speaker 1: Are you talking. It's the pre heaven and post heaven
Speaker 1: something that yeah, even right, I was just actually bringing
Speaker 1: about this to brush up because it's been a long time.
Speaker 1: It's like an introduct introduction to to Ta Taoism because
Speaker 1: those years ago when I learned about that. But essentially
Speaker 1: this one here, if you see the the three that
Speaker 1: ten right, the divine Yang, the skies here facing on top,
Speaker 1: this definitely pre heaven because post heaven is another one
Speaker 1: at top. But anyway, this is supposed to be pure
Speaker 1: because pre heaven just means anything that existed before creation.
Speaker 1: But once we come into existence, like there's like changes, right,
Speaker 1: So that's why they changed the even the position of
Speaker 1: the trigram, because here we are in these meatbags, in
Speaker 1: these bodies, and we're all slowly heading towards death, heading
Speaker 1: towards like as soon as you born complete yeah, like degeneration, right,
Speaker 1: and that's post that's post heaven, right, because we're subject
Speaker 1: to the whims of time and space, the laws, the
Speaker 1: whimsical laws. Maybe I should call them whimsicals. They're actually
Speaker 1: pretty constant. But but these laws are not fair to
Speaker 1: to us in general, I think because you know, because
Speaker 1: who wants to get aches and pains as they get older? Right?
Speaker 1: Who wants to have deteriorating eyesight? Right? But but yes,
Speaker 1: but to ask your question, yes, this does protect the head.
Speaker 1: This is the holy symbol in Taoism, right, the yang symbol. Right,
Speaker 1: And I want to point out that, you know, we
Speaker 1: see a bit of the yin and the yang and
Speaker 1: and vice versa. Right, And that's because everyone has a
Speaker 1: bit of everything in us. Right. I was born biologically
Speaker 1: a male. I do have some feminine traits, as does
Speaker 1: everyone else. And my sister was a tomboy growing up. Right,
Speaker 1: we all have like these traits in us, right, But
Speaker 1: they're all like part of the same thing, right, two
Speaker 1: sides of the same point. So yes, it protects my head,
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be a sign of like a purity.
Speaker 1: It's a very holy symbol. Thank you.
Speaker 2: That was a great question, Matt. I didn't even think
Speaker 2: of that, to be honest, So good job.
Speaker 5: Niceyeah, thanks for thanks for answering us.
Speaker 3: Was there a was there any other things that you
Speaker 3: had with you that you wanted to show on screen too.
Speaker 3: Let's put you on the spot on.
Speaker 1: That's about it. I just want to make sure more
Speaker 1: and more stuff like this. People might find this interesting
Speaker 1: as well. This is.
Speaker 3: This is Choo.
Speaker 1: It says choose, and it means to promote your fortune
Speaker 1: and to get rid of the get rid of the
Speaker 1: evil choosey, I mean to get rid of evil actually
Speaker 1: and uh. And then we have the holy symbol here.
Speaker 1: And then we also have like you might be interested
Speaker 1: to see to know what this is. So here we
Speaker 1: have a phoenix. Here we have a dragon. Now these
Speaker 1: are actually very auspicious animals in both Chinese and Taoist culture.
Speaker 1: In fact, this is one of the guardians of the
Speaker 1: of the directions, actually, because each direction has been assigned
Speaker 1: a guardian, just like in Wika, I had a I
Speaker 1: mean I still have a close friend who identifies as Wickan.
Speaker 1: He's a practitioner a Wika. There's something called the guardian
Speaker 1: of the watchtower tower of the west and of the east. Right,
Speaker 1: we have something similar. We have we have we have
Speaker 1: sifang singlo meaning I mean sorry, I mean don't found
Speaker 1: silo meaning the green Dragon of the East. We have
Speaker 1: Sifang Vaihu, meaning the white tiger of the West, and
Speaker 1: these are like spirit animals that guard the directions. And
Speaker 1: you might be interested to know that it's all intricately
Speaker 1: type with Chinese culture because in Chinese culture, the dragon
Speaker 1: represents the Emperor of China and his empress is represented
Speaker 1: by a phoenix. So again we have yin and yan,
Speaker 1: we have balance, and you'll see that the culture is
Speaker 1: all about balance because if you look at Chinese characters,
Speaker 1: you don't have to know what they mean, but there
Speaker 1: is a certain beauty about them, about these characters, and
Speaker 1: the reason is because of symmetry. It's balanced. Right, we
Speaker 1: all want balance in our lives. We don't want too
Speaker 1: much of anything, right, so anyway, so that's what this is.
Speaker 1: And this is just a way too. It's outside soaur
Speaker 1: tim is just sumon wealth. Well I said, we don't
Speaker 1: want too much of anything, but maybe with the exception
Speaker 1: of money, no one would complain about having too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: We also have like these these are Taoist symbols as well.
Speaker 1: This is a hulu. It's a gore disused in taois
Speaker 1: magic actually too, well, one thing. It's used for us
Speaker 1: to trap evil entities. Uh, this is a fan and
Speaker 1: I'm sure Jin knows all about it because, uh since
Speaker 1: he is a fan of coz uh Nilmo Wang, which
Speaker 1: is the of the the See, there's no such concept
Speaker 1: in the West where you are so close to someone
Speaker 1: you become like brothers and you undergo a ceremony to
Speaker 1: become a brother, but you're not actually related. But anyway,
Speaker 1: the Bull King is the brother or the sworn brother
Speaker 1: of the Monkey King of Somukong, and his wife is Tikongsu,
Speaker 1: Princess iron Fan, and so she uses this too. You
Speaker 1: know one blow, I mean, you know, one action and
Speaker 1: it causes people to be blown like thousands of miles away.
Speaker 2: It's a great story.
Speaker 4: I want to say that, like, Princess Iron Fan is
Speaker 4: actually the first Chinese martial I'm not saying it because
Speaker 4: they are the daughter Nick, but I say, but Princess
Speaker 4: iron Fan is really interesting because it's actually the first
Speaker 4: martial arts movie ever made.
Speaker 2: It's lost now there's only.
Speaker 4: Like a clip that's a few seconds long, but it
Speaker 4: is was the first martial arts movie.
Speaker 2: In nineteen forty one made in Shanghai, so very.
Speaker 4: Important character and you can see it in a lot
Speaker 4: of Hong Kong movies, especially like sort of like these
Speaker 4: anti kind of tie Ti characters who have magic powers
Speaker 4: or psychic powers and they're kind of like nagging and yeah,
Speaker 4: that's kind of her archetype, I would say. But it's
Speaker 4: a very funny character and a lot of Cantonese people
Speaker 4: really love it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's wonderful. Of course, there's always the
Speaker 1: parody version of it two in Hong Kong cinema. A
Speaker 1: lot of people get getting into it by just watching
Speaker 1: the parodies anyway. So this is something I just hang
Speaker 1: on my door. Actually, this is.
Speaker 3: Like even with that symbol right there, I feel like
Speaker 3: a lot of a cult symbolism and that just like
Speaker 3: not even blatant, like the circle in the square together
Speaker 3: circle in the square very hermetic. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 3: that's uh, the X you're even getting like the X
Speaker 3: and them and it's just a huge with the cross
Speaker 3: of the swords. You see that everywhere in different different
Speaker 3: like I guess beliefs that symbol like that. You know,
Speaker 3: it's something that I've gotten out of this so far.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I guess I kind of looked at
Speaker 3: it like that anyway, even though I didn't know much
Speaker 3: about it, because it is so uh, it is so big,
Speaker 3: and I guess ceremonial magic in a sense, this is
Speaker 3: very ritualistic, I would assume, like very almost like ceremonial
Speaker 3: there's a lot of it. It almost seems as if
Speaker 3: like it's already known that there's going to be a
Speaker 3: lot of study or figuring out stuff just getting into this.
Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: That's pretty many years, many years learning the basics.
Speaker 3: Actually that's like not you know, sometimes it might look
Speaker 3: like I'm coming after Christians. It's just kind of funny
Speaker 3: how you look at like certain religion and it's like
Speaker 3: you to pick this up, you have to do all
Speaker 3: this in depth work, and then somebody's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: Jesus Saves, I'm good to go, right, Like what the fuck,
Speaker 3: how the fuck does that happen? I don't know, Like
Speaker 3: this is just listening to this, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: this is like picking up a whole of the like
Speaker 3: system of ceremonial magic is fucking deep. Shit, it's impressive.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's but there's always an equivalent. I noticed
Speaker 1: in the West, like and that's why I noticed like
Speaker 1: the more I study Taoisan, the more I notice, hey,
Speaker 1: there is some counterpart in Western occult, because I'm also
Speaker 1: sudden a little bit of Western ocault, you know, just
Speaker 1: to you know, because I like to broaden my horizons
Speaker 1: and have more to talk about with lovely folks such
Speaker 1: as yourselves. Right, So, and I study all this and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, that's we do the same thing in
Speaker 1: Taos them so above us below it's the same thing.
Speaker 3: Another reason that you know again like that's you know,
Speaker 3: necessarily as picking on Christians. I should have even added
Speaker 3: more than I wanted to say, because, like I know
Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier about Catholicism, you're interested in that that,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, is extremely ritualistic as well. So is
Speaker 3: that kind of like were you looking for something that
Speaker 3: I had all that in there and that's why you
Speaker 3: know this interested you because you were hands on doing
Speaker 3: things and stuff. Is that something you were kind of
Speaker 3: like looking to incorporate regardless of what you were into.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do like the ceremony. I like the the instants,
Speaker 1: what we all do.
Speaker 3: I was burning dragon's blood resident right now while we're
Speaker 3: doing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I yes, And there's something very comforting
Speaker 1: about the rituals in general, like Eastern rituals and Catholic
Speaker 1: rituals too. It's very comforting. The prayers. I still remember
Speaker 1: a lot of the prayers, you know, Hail Mary, full
Speaker 1: of grace, you know, the Hail Mary prayers, the Our Father,
Speaker 1: all of it. There is something very not just comforting,
Speaker 1: but also like it harkens back to like childhood, where
Speaker 1: you know, we know nothing, we're disoriented. We can't even
Speaker 1: travel half a block without getting lost.
Speaker 3: You know, that's really interesting how you're saying that, and
Speaker 3: you're incorporating like you're talking about the mother, and you're
Speaker 3: saying completely lost and not orientated. Just like a real
Speaker 3: interesting scientific fact. And I've mentioned this before, when the
Speaker 3: mother breastfeeds the child, the mother's panial gland will actually
Speaker 3: tell the child all that where you are, Yeah, the seasons,
Speaker 3: the time, Yes, the pineal gland, the mother's pineal gland.
Speaker 3: We talked to the baby's panilla in the Yeah. So
Speaker 3: it's just funny how you mentioned like the mother and
Speaker 3: like you don't know where you are, Well, she's actually
Speaker 3: the one that does.
Speaker 1: Tell you that now, Yeah, and speaking mother's there's always
Speaker 1: like a mother figure in almost every major belief system,
Speaker 1: we have the Virgin Mary, right and Catholicism we have
Speaker 1: the Guana, the bodhisopha goddess of mercy. And Buddhism we
Speaker 1: have the equivalents the Hans and ron In in Taoism. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's always a there's always a place for like everybody,
Speaker 1: like for for both genders, I would say, like and
Speaker 1: for and then even like there's like third genders, like
Speaker 1: one of the bastion that you mentioned, Matt, one of
Speaker 1: them is transgendered. I believe it's I believe, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but then again, you know flower boy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4: Although obviously we think of it as like a translated
Speaker 4: as boy, but yeah, I mean he it's it's always
Speaker 4: a question, right, like what exact It's never quite.
Speaker 2: It's he's ambiguous. I think that's a.
Speaker 1: Kind of way it is. Yeah, there's only one one
Speaker 1: female for sure, like uh, of the eight immortals.
Speaker 3: But yeah, do you think that that might go back
Speaker 3: to kind of like the hermaphadetic hermaphadic symbol for hold
Speaker 3: like cabalistically again, like go back to that image, do
Speaker 3: you think that might be a tie there, like maybe
Speaker 3: it's almost the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I do, because somehow we all, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all separated by oceans and mountains, and we came
Speaker 1: up with observations that are eerily similar. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: A lot.
Speaker 3: Of chemical text show, like instead of Bohamett being just
Speaker 3: one person, it's it's a man in the female being
Speaker 3: split apart almost or together.
Speaker 1: Right, well, it's we do need both, right according to
Speaker 1: to tell with them, yes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And what you were talking about the two polars,
Speaker 6: like then we have also the great motors in h
Speaker 6: in benign cabala.
Speaker 1: Great. So is that there of life there? What is
Speaker 1: that there? Yeah? Yeah, oh it is right, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: When there's the thing in the the idea of like
Speaker 6: the I mean you you're going to say it better.
Speaker 5: But one thing generated the one and the one generated
Speaker 5: the two.
Speaker 6: The truth, it's going to be like the same idea,
Speaker 6: Like there's the eyeing generates care and then behind and
Speaker 6: it generates all the other things. So it's always like
Speaker 6: the this idea.
Speaker 1: Yes, very nice, Yeah, that's true. True. I remember one
Speaker 1: of them was, Oh I remember some of the names
Speaker 1: of it because I studied a bit of malkoot Is
Speaker 1: the kingdom. I'm probably mispronouncing it because it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be in Hebrew. That's yeah. And then there's like and
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the.
Speaker 3: Difference better than average people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I studied. I find that quite interesting.
Speaker 4: Actually, there's a there's a good Chinese story actually about
Speaker 4: that interaction between Ka and Cadula. It's about the fire
Speaker 4: god and the water god when they have their gongong.
Speaker 4: I think I can't remember, but uh, they have a
Speaker 4: battle before before the other gods, like it's a primordial
Speaker 4: battle right after depending on what cosmology you know, you
Speaker 4: believe it. But when the giant cracks the egg and
Speaker 4: then he comes out and then the fire and the
Speaker 4: Water god have this kind of crazy battle and the
Speaker 4: earth sort of gets created recreated again, I guess, or
Speaker 4: flooded or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the same. That's very similar, right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's so cool.
Speaker 3: Was there any other questions that you guys had.
Speaker 2: We had one about Blue Green?
Speaker 3: Sorry, and that's that I'm trying. I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: wrap it up.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not at all, but very.
Speaker 4: Interesting when you were describing the and I thought you
Speaker 4: had a great point, like it is very similar to
Speaker 4: ceremonial magic in my opinion as well. Like really and
Speaker 4: then also with the coin, you did pick up on it,
Speaker 4: and I guess I'm so used to seeing them that
Speaker 4: I didn't It didn't click for me right away. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's exactly squaring the circle. It is like the well field.
Speaker 4: That's the old character for like a malcouth. That would
Speaker 4: be like a malcouth kind of idea, like a well
Speaker 4: field like a house with the fields surrounding it. So
Speaker 4: there'd be like a exactly what you guys talked about
Speaker 4: the beginning, like a nine square, but with a tenth
Speaker 4: in the center that would be the actual farmstead, and
Speaker 4: then each field would be portioned off, you know, in
Speaker 4: a specific way. So it's definitely referring to that, like
Speaker 4: the central pillar junk wall, right like the Middle Kingdom.
Speaker 4: That's what China is called, right Like, it's all about
Speaker 4: like what country believes that they are the center of
Speaker 4: the world, the pillar of the world. But you had
Speaker 4: a great point about the dragon, the dragon and the phoenix.
Speaker 4: So in Chinese chain can also mean blue green, So
Speaker 4: this is can you explain a little bit about that
Speaker 4: because a lot of people when they hear green, they think, oh,
Speaker 4: it's like jade green, but it's actually not quite jade green.
Speaker 4: There's actually a little bit of a conceptual difference.
Speaker 1: Yes there is, and apparently it's not just some Chinese,
Speaker 1: because I lived in Thailand for a little while, and
Speaker 1: same thing in Thai. From what I could remember, there
Speaker 1: are like it's hard to well, I don't have the
Speaker 1: best type, but at first glance, there is almost no
Speaker 1: distinction between green and blue. But I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: it's just because of someone's color blindness or maybe because yeah,
Speaker 1: or maybe because of another reason. But but yes, ting
Speaker 1: has that connotation. But I would say that if you
Speaker 1: write the character, I mean, it's like kind of like this, right,
Speaker 1: and that could also if you just add the three
Speaker 1: dots of water, it means pure and it's sing as
Speaker 1: in the Chain dynasty. And and because of that, like
Speaker 1: that's more associated with like purity anything like blue or green,
Speaker 1: like as pure as the as you know, the most
Speaker 1: beautiful like tropical ocean, or as blue as the skies.
Speaker 4: That's a that's I mean, you just hit it. It's
Speaker 4: like this is the kabalistic parallel. It's that idea of
Speaker 4: the blue green also being clear, also being diamond thunder,
Speaker 4: you could say, also being like the escre, like Matt
Speaker 4: often talks about her, like I often talked about.
Speaker 2: I call it a brig poor diamond under.
Speaker 4: But that kind of fifth density, that's kind of a
Speaker 4: very important idea of like where you want.
Speaker 2: To go in Kabbala.
Speaker 4: You want to kind of go into that conceptual the
Speaker 4: pure sky, clear sky, but it looks blue, it looks blue,
Speaker 4: green or turquoise, but it's actually clear.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, the very color of purity of it's supposed
Speaker 1: to make us feel good, right, we look at it
Speaker 1: and we're calm, We're soothed when we look at like
Speaker 1: blue or green. I'm just ringing through the comments. I
Speaker 1: just realized there are comments, and that's where it's coming from,
Speaker 1: because sometimes a comment that pops up and I'm not
Speaker 1: sure where it's coming from.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, the bottom yeah, oh right, oh wow wow.
Speaker 3: I was just trying to see if there was any
Speaker 3: other questions here. Yeah, was there anything else that you
Speaker 3: wanted to mention about about any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: I can respond to some of the comments, actually, because
Speaker 1: some of the ear towards me, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: that there were comments like this until now, I suppose
Speaker 1: where I am right now. I live in Southeast Asia.
Speaker 1: Actually right now, I'm in Cambodia.
Speaker 3: Right now, it's like eleven class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, we're exactly. I'm actually at the same
Speaker 1: place where I saw that that demon that I talked
Speaker 1: about at the beginning. I'm at the exacting house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so come around full circle. I'm really good friends, yeah
Speaker 1: with some of the villagers journey the ghost Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they let me see the ghosts and I come and
Speaker 1: live here and I try to purify things. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: I and thank you, mister dreadlock. I I spent some
Speaker 1: time like studying in the US and Canada, so I
Speaker 1: kind of see myself as an ambassador of Taoism to
Speaker 1: the West. In order to be an ambassador, you have
Speaker 1: to learn other people's languages. You have to You don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have to be a part of the culture, but
Speaker 1: you still have to understand their culture. And I know
Speaker 1: that if I want to introduce house In to the West,
Speaker 1: then if I can't explain it clearly or if I
Speaker 1: have unintelligible English, that would make life much more difficult
Speaker 1: for me. And yeah, and someone mentioned something about something
Speaker 1: about oh yeah, the uh yeah, so the flower boy
Speaker 1: sounds like in modern terms and the West's femboy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I suppose that would be one of the the eight
Speaker 1: eight immortals. Then Chinese magic. Let's see something about yeah,
Speaker 1: tantric sex, I think was it? Yes, seman retention multior
Speaker 1: gas makes sense. Yes, we're technically so anyway, when we
Speaker 1: practice our ceremonies, we're technically as men, and we're not
Speaker 1: supposed to ejaculate at least three days before. And there's
Speaker 1: certain like probitions, certain means we can't eat, like you
Speaker 1: can't eat frog before or duck or dog. Not that
Speaker 1: I eat any of those anyway, but yeah, so there
Speaker 1: are certain like you know, these rules. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where they came from. I'm the least like dogmatic out
Speaker 1: of anyone that I know, but I try not to
Speaker 1: break certain rules. But I don't think they're in the
Speaker 1: doubt that, seeing they're not in any scripture. I think
Speaker 1: it just came from like our set. You know, some
Speaker 1: some master you know, centuries ago, right, found that, oh,
Speaker 1: if you ate frog and you can't do magic or something.
Speaker 1: But yes, you're you're supposed to retain your semen, because
Speaker 1: that's where the essence is that seeing. Yeah, yes, thank
Speaker 1: you a coon. Yeah, that's seeing the essence it's supposed
Speaker 1: for men in any way supposed to be in the semens.
Speaker 1: That's why we're not supposed to excaculate before, you know,
Speaker 1: before doing magic, or even or even writing this. We're
Speaker 1: even writing a talisman. You're not supposed to ejaculate like
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 3: Of you know that is it's like a huge thing. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: it did like so many ceremonial traditions, either the lack
Speaker 3: of eating meat insects prior to serious rituals. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: be something that that get on that stating the vegan.
Speaker 1: I could never be vegan.
Speaker 3: I have limited meat.
Speaker 1: Neither could I prior to rituals for sure, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: neither could I.
Speaker 2: The frog and the dog makes sense?
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, master, Well that's okay. Yeah, yeah, there's frog, dog,
Speaker 1: duck and something else. I don't remember what it was
Speaker 1: to memorize. My master told me too many rules to memorize.
Speaker 4: And dog is a transgressive substance, and so we would
Speaker 4: only use it for a ritual purpose, although we don't
Speaker 4: use real dog, but the idea it's the idea, right,
Speaker 4: it's the conceptual idea. But also frogs trapped the last breath.
Speaker 4: This is something I've heard from one like Cantonese folk.
Speaker 4: Frogs trapped the last breath, So that's why you don't
Speaker 4: want to eat them before rituals.
Speaker 6: Also, good thing, good thing that you didn't go to
Speaker 6: Jewish Kapalada, because they have six hundred and three things
Speaker 6: you have to do or not.
Speaker 1: They're very very stubborned, like oh yeah, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: never do that then because I also liked to eat pork,
Speaker 1: so that's very much against right in the West too, Right,
Speaker 1: there's bacon and ham, and you know people love pork.
Speaker 1: We have a like Chinese barbecue, Cantonese barbecue pork.
Speaker 6: I mean that's like, yeah, yeah, I went to the
Speaker 6: US the first time a couple weeks ago, and I
Speaker 6: had a burger with bacon jam the first time I
Speaker 6: had literally I had a goose bump.
Speaker 1: Thank you goose bumps. That's great. I don't this.
Speaker 3: I would assume unless there's certain staples, uh in your
Speaker 3: whatever what you do, what are common goals of magical rituals.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm just assuming maybe that would be kind
Speaker 3: of like kind of personal, like you know you're the
Speaker 3: one deciding that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would say it's like results magic, right,
Speaker 1: similar to like like any chaos magic practitioner. Right, you
Speaker 1: want to affect a result, we want something in return,
Speaker 1: we're willing to burn in sense, right, I mean that's
Speaker 1: there's nothing free in Taoism. Right, there's no such thing
Speaker 1: as a free lunch. If you want something, you got
Speaker 1: to give something. That's just the way it works. There's
Speaker 1: even something called yin debt. Actually, now that we're talking
Speaker 1: about this where where where If you haven't been cursed,
Speaker 1: or if you if your phone's raise is great, but
Speaker 1: if you're still having bad luck, it's because you have
Speaker 1: to pay your yin debt. It's called yenzai. It means
Speaker 1: that once you've been like once you're dead. I mean,
Speaker 1: according to the Taoists, like theology, you know, you go
Speaker 1: to the underworld, you're escorted by neotom mien, which is
Speaker 1: horse face and cow head. Right, those are the cycle
Speaker 1: pomps in Taoism, one of many actually, but apparently their
Speaker 1: services don't come for free. So you know, you accumulate
Speaker 1: a debt if you can't pay, well, you have a borrow, right,
Speaker 1: so technically you're supposed to well, actually, that reminds me
Speaker 1: because I have something here called the con scene. This
Speaker 1: is spirit money right here. I'm pretty sure mister Gin
Speaker 1: would be familiar with it as well, because it's very
Speaker 1: much used in the East. You're supposed to burn some.
Speaker 1: You have to calculate your own in debt, right then
Speaker 1: you got to burn some to pay off your debt.
Speaker 1: So no such thing as a free lunch or or
Speaker 1: free incense. That's interesting, right, Yeah, it's called cut gold
Speaker 1: and spirit money. If you burn it, it goes directly
Speaker 1: to the underworld or to whoever whoever relative you want
Speaker 1: to burn things to. And that's why in Taois funerals
Speaker 1: we do a lot of burning. You would see like
Speaker 1: you know, like you would even see like it's all
Speaker 1: made a paper, right, But if you want your grandpa
Speaker 1: to have his iPhone in the effortlife, you have to
Speaker 1: burn like a cut up like you know, a paper
Speaker 1: version of a phone. You would see a paper version
Speaker 1: of a house.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: That's uh, yeah, that's very much very much about it's
Speaker 1: very much burning the stuff so that your relatives in
Speaker 1: the underworld could receive it. Before they reincarnate.
Speaker 3: So I guess even another thing that uh I'm just
Speaker 3: getting out of from what you're telling me. Also very
Speaker 3: uh very much with like honoring or acknowledging uh the past,
Speaker 3: you know people passed on.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I guess it's you know, kind of like how you
Speaker 3: even mentioned before. I guess with ghosts. I mean that
Speaker 3: kind of fits.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, ancestor worships collect yeah, yeah, I prefer
Speaker 1: call it veneration. But in every tow was Chinese towers household,
Speaker 1: we would have we call like a lean tongue and
Speaker 1: it means like a spirit, like an altar, right, and
Speaker 1: and you might have a what we call a like
Speaker 1: a spirit tablet. And because it's a very fact that
Speaker 1: without them, there wouldn't be us. You know, if they
Speaker 1: if our ancestors you know, did not have sex, right,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here today. Right, So that's why we're
Speaker 1: honoring them. It's we're honoring their lives. And and in
Speaker 1: Taoism where basically like you, even after they're dead, you
Speaker 1: still have to take care of them. You have to
Speaker 1: make sure you know, they're buried in what we call
Speaker 1: the yin residents yin yinzai and it means and this
Speaker 1: is a part of fung shwe that Matt asked about
Speaker 1: earlier that functually deals with anything to do with the
Speaker 1: yin the yin realms. So you make sure that your
Speaker 1: grandpa is buried in a proper place, a place that
Speaker 1: is conducive to his own pun shwait and or else
Speaker 1: there could be hell to pay. I mean, like he
Speaker 1: could he could like wreak havoc from beyond the grave.
Speaker 1: He could he would let you know that he's unhappy
Speaker 1: or all right, he could make sure that he would
Speaker 1: stop your prosperity for instance. Right, So yes, so very
Speaker 1: much about ancestor veneration and and that's why. And that's
Speaker 1: a cultural thing too, because that's why, like boys, having
Speaker 1: a boy is more seem to be more culturally valuable
Speaker 1: than having a girl in the in China anyway, because
Speaker 1: it's the it's patrilineal and Patrick Nimmicks, so the man
Speaker 1: carries on the family name. Right, If you have a girl,
Speaker 1: she marries, she's married off to someone and she goes
Speaker 1: to marry to live in her husband's residence. Patrick local too, right,
Speaker 1: the three the three p's, I call them the three patries.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so having descendants is very much a thing
Speaker 1: in Eastern culture because there they have to be there
Speaker 1: to like sweep your tomb during this tomb sweeping ceremony.
Speaker 1: They have to be there to you know, pass on
Speaker 1: the family name, to have to continue the lineage. Makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's very much a cultural thing, I know, not
Speaker 1: in agriculture.
Speaker 5: It is like that funny how it goes for for
Speaker 5: Jewish the woman's side.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, I heard about that too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if the mother is a Jewish, you're technically the
Speaker 3: father could be in the mother parts you're not Jewish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything else, you guys, I have one last one.
Speaker 2: I have one last one. I promise my last one.
Speaker 4: Hey by Woo song, you are you familiar with the yes? Okay,
Speaker 4: so if you everybody loves this, like people Westerners. I'm
Speaker 4: a Westerner, but I'm gonna use that term to refer
Speaker 4: to like anyone who's not familiar with Chinese cosmology. It's
Speaker 4: not a I'm not calling anyone names or anything. I'm
Speaker 4: part of that. So, but people really love this in
Speaker 4: the West. I found like the two ghosts of Gods.
Speaker 4: They just it's like the journey to the west. It
Speaker 4: kind of just captures them for whatever reason. So if
Speaker 4: you don't mind saying a couple of words about them.
Speaker 3: And who they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So so they're like neotom mien the uh what
Speaker 1: was it called horse face and how their cycle pomps.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: There, we would call them like wait hire yinsaig and
Speaker 1: it means that yin police or the ghost police. They're
Speaker 1: there to escort you to the afterlife because once you're
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, your physical body no longer works on
Speaker 1: the physical realm. You're dead. It's a permanent transition to
Speaker 1: the other planes of existence. You got to go. So
Speaker 1: in Taoism, they don't like you hang around when you
Speaker 1: clearly don't belong on the earthly plane anymore. You're dead
Speaker 1: already gotta leave, so they're there to make sure that
Speaker 1: you get to you need to go. So hey, by
Speaker 1: wotang is these are technically so they're tycle pomps, but
Speaker 1: they're technically they're once human. These are two humans that
Speaker 1: lived in ancient China at different times, and they displayed
Speaker 1: great virtue their compassionate help others and the celestial the
Speaker 1: pantheon led by Yuhuangdad meaning the Jay Dumper. He's supposed
Speaker 1: to be like the you know, the all powerful number
Speaker 1: one guy in the pantheon. He made them psychopomps and
Speaker 1: it's their job to escort newly deceive souls to the afterlife.
Speaker 1: And mister Jen mentioned the movie Rigor Mortis, Hong Kong movie.
Speaker 1: Those two appeared in that field. I'm not sure you
Speaker 1: remember in the hallway holding umbrellas. I remember that scene
Speaker 1: very well, and there was a woman and her child
Speaker 1: there and then the main character. They were all terrified, right,
Speaker 1: but the woman said, well, who is it that said?
Speaker 1: Someone told the main character, don't bother them, get out
Speaker 1: of their way, and they won't reap your soul. So
Speaker 1: they're like grim reapers essentially. Yeah, and in Taiwan they
Speaker 1: call that, say, seventh Grandpa, eighth Grandpa. I'm not sure why,
Speaker 1: but anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It must have a different story over there.
Speaker 4: They must have some other weird, you know, worktale that
Speaker 4: they yeah, associated with that.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That was a great That was
Speaker 2: better than I could do. So thank you so much
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 6: Funny how you mentioned the ghost police. They have a similar,
Speaker 6: very similar concept in Afro Syncratic religions. In Brazil, so
Speaker 6: like in Banda and one of these kind of things
Speaker 6: where this is the thing, like if you go to Semetary,
Speaker 6: there is going to be like the specific like shoe
Speaker 6: or like Pao or whatever, the kind of war as
Speaker 6: the place and make sure that, like you said, there's
Speaker 6: nobody like wandering around. They just yeah, let's go next incarnation,
Speaker 6: you know, just push it over.
Speaker 1: That's right. They don't mess around, you know. Uh.
Speaker 3: I guess if you guys are good, I mean, as
Speaker 3: we could probably wrap it up here. Unless there's anything
Speaker 3: else that you wanted to add any questions matter Jin had,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good.
Speaker 6: That was.
Speaker 3: That was a lot of stuff, dude, Thank you very
Speaker 3: much for coming on. Like again, I really I didn't
Speaker 3: know you. I didn't know anything behind it, and you
Speaker 3: really have piqued my interest. So I almost want to
Speaker 3: start looking at so looking at your stuff to see
Speaker 3: if it helps me out on my end with the
Speaker 3: stuff I'm into. Yeah, uh yeah, again, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: And again Matt and Gin, thank you guys for jumping on.
Speaker 3: I mean, this was I truly truly enjoyed this. I
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't it wasn't bad getting up and
Speaker 3: you know, making sure I was ready for ten o'clock
Speaker 3: Sunday morning for this. You know, I truly enjoyed doing
Speaker 3: this before we ended. We'll have everybody plug this stuff
Speaker 3: and let everybody know where you can find them, jin
Speaker 3: real quick, let everybody know where they can find your
Speaker 3: amazing work.
Speaker 4: Sure, so I just want to say any master soon,
Speaker 4: and thank you to Nick and Matt especially for tolerating
Speaker 4: my like diaspora Daoist Buddhists burg But Matt knows this
Speaker 4: is like my I rarely get to discuss it like
Speaker 4: as much. So thank you so much, Master Consent for
Speaker 4: tolerating it and like dealing with my kind of meandering
Speaker 4: way of getting there there.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's very.
Speaker 4: But I really appreciated it. Yeah, me too, And thank
Speaker 4: you Nick for inviting me and now obviously for joining.
Speaker 4: Of course I love that and that's all. I don't
Speaker 4: need to plug myself, but you can always check me
Speaker 4: out with cong Reborn and Threshold Saints and obviously the
Speaker 4: Great Lodge and just I have a lot of fun
Speaker 4: doing these, like some panels like this where it's like
Speaker 4: a kind of newfound topic because I can't be a
Speaker 4: master of like all the subjects like I'm not even
Speaker 4: a master of.
Speaker 3: My own.
Speaker 4: So like it's you know, to do this and like
Speaker 4: be able to sort of explore the system I'm sort
Speaker 4: of familiar with but not quite is really very.
Speaker 1: Well, You're already very knowledgeable, Jen, I'm very impressed with
Speaker 1: your knowledge already. You know a lot more than because
Speaker 1: you grew up in the West, right, but you seem
Speaker 1: to be very knowledgeable about the Eastern concepts as well.
Speaker 2: I did live in Asia for quite a long time,
Speaker 2: so that's part of it too.
Speaker 3: Oh I see, no never figuring it out. Thank you, Jin,
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you coming on for real. And Matt,
Speaker 3: thank you again, Bro for coming on. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Let everybody know where they could find all your amazing
Speaker 3: stuff for sure.
Speaker 6: Also had a lot of fun with what Jin was
Speaker 6: talking about, Like I wish, you know, I could clone myself,
Speaker 6: and you know, part of a clone of myself is
Speaker 6: like an in China learning all the how is stuff,
Speaker 6: an under clone is learning all the other stuff. So
Speaker 6: I cannot all just hang on with the Kabala just
Speaker 6: pretty good already. But yeah, I had a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: Thanks Thanks Master, Thanks Nick for calling. Thanks to you
Speaker 6: for being here as well. Thanks everyone in the comments.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you can always find me on also shows
Speaker 6: at thet More nineteen. So that's Twitter, that's YouTube, that's Instagram,
Speaker 6: TikTok and now Twitch as well. Shout out to Polar
Speaker 6: Nights in the in the chat you created an account there.
Speaker 3: It's my one, but it's my one fan on Twitch exactly.
Speaker 5: Now I'm on Twitch as welcome those. Maybe I'll start
Speaker 5: the instreams reading the art filmer. I should, I should
Speaker 5: do this.
Speaker 6: And also my website that's always Kabbala dot com k
Speaker 6: A A B A l a h dot com.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot again, No, thank you very much for
Speaker 3: coming on. Matt and Uh, Messa Gongs Gungswan. Please let
Speaker 3: everybody know where they can find all your stuff. Certainly,
Speaker 3: I'm at on YouTube, I'm massacles on Taoism. You can
Speaker 3: go to the Sweet Divine tao dot com where I
Speaker 3: discussed uh, where I discussed.
Speaker 1: My own lineage of Taoism. I'm on Instagram, I'm on
Speaker 1: x at, slash master, going swin one and I'm going
Speaker 1: to add all of you on there. Actually I'm gonna
Speaker 1: follow you guys on Twitter, Instagram, and and everything as well.
Speaker 3: We're head I Jay, you're on Twitter, I gotta find
Speaker 3: you on that.
Speaker 1: Sure, Well I don't really use it okay either, but
Speaker 1: that's how I reach people because most people are active
Speaker 1: on there, so so I forced myself to create an account.
Speaker 3: Oh if it wasn't for me trying to get in
Speaker 3: touch with like either people for the show and stuff,
Speaker 3: I probably really wouldn't use social media that much at all.
Speaker 3: Like I had to have my preset posts from like,
Speaker 3: you know, spreaker or whatever, like share from YouTube. But
Speaker 3: I really don't think i'd be on social media much anymore.
Speaker 3: It's fucking shit hole, shit show. Really just a shit show.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just followed gins. I'm gonna follow his money.
Speaker 4: I'll definitely follow you back. And I want to apologize
Speaker 4: for my I made a couple of Mandarin mistakes. I
Speaker 4: know there's a couple of language spurgs, and our fan
Speaker 4: of my guests will call him and I just I
Speaker 4: apologize for that.
Speaker 2: It's I'm rusty my dad, so it doesn't happen either.
Speaker 1: Send you perfectly, Yeah, no problem. Communication rage just about understanding.
Speaker 1: If you can understand each other then and that's all
Speaker 1: that matters.
Speaker 2: Absolutely thank you for saying that, but I know it's
Speaker 2: a little rusty.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I will after the show. I totally forgot. I will
Speaker 3: include your YouTube link in the show notes so people
Speaker 3: can go over and smash. That's a prescribe button over there,
Speaker 3: so definitely go check out his channel again, Matt jin Master.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you guys coming on going so on.
Speaker 3: You're always welcome on. If you ever got an idea
Speaker 3: or a topic for the show, please just hit me up.
Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll keep in touch anyway. But if you
Speaker 3: ever got an idea for the show, definitely welcome on. Man,
Speaker 3: that was a great, great presentation and I really thoroughly
Speaker 3: enjoyed it. Thank you everybody in the chat. It was awesome.
Speaker 3: Questions you know, I really appreciate that people. If people
Speaker 3: listening you want to ask questions, please just throw them
Speaker 3: in there the guests. I'm sure we'll be happy to
Speaker 3: answer them, and it's you know, less.
Speaker 1: Work for us.
Speaker 3: No, but there's a lot of questions that sometimes people
Speaker 3: ask in the chat. I'll be like, damn, I wish
Speaker 3: I would have thought of that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Or it's like you know, I know myself sometimes as
Speaker 3: a listener when the show's over, you're like, fuck, I
Speaker 3: really wish they would have asked this or that, so
Speaker 3: I will get those ideas from the listeners, So please,
Speaker 3: if you've got questions, throw them in there.
Speaker 1: Again, thank you all.
Speaker 3: It was an awesome show. I thoroughly enjoyed it and
Speaker 3: until the next one, everybody be well later