WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.720 When it comes to true crime, survivor stories are often 2 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:14.720 harder to hear. The extreme trauma someone can endure than 3 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:19.160 stand tall after being torn down is nothing short of incredible. 4 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:24.160 Today's story is one of a survivor, one from a 5 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:26.600 little girl who was taken at the age of eleven 6 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:29.199 years old and forced to live in a shed to 7 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:34.039 become someone's personal sex slave. This survivor has gone on 8 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:37.000 to tell their story in great detail and advocates for 9 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:41.520 many who have suffered similar ordeals. She shares her experiences 10 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:45.960 to tell and ensure others do not feel alone. And 11 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:49.520 today we aim to do her story justice and tell 12 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:53.399 her story in the same manner she would. This is 13 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:57.399 the story of a stolen life. This is the story 14 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:01.960 of J. C. Dugert. My name's Ben, I'm. 15 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:06.760 Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingram, a true crime podcast. 16 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:36.840 The following audience listener Right before Nicole hit record, I 17 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:40.319 just took like thirty seconds trying to fish a husky 18 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:43.000 dog hair out of my mouth quite aggressively. 19 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:44.079 It was something to watch that. 20 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.239 It was like, in there, that's the plight of owning 21 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.400 two shedding huskies in a tiny homes. 22 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:52.879 Yeah, and they seem like they're just shedding extra this year, 23 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:53.879 Like it's not stopping. 24 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:57.000 It's not Well, there's there's someone out there who does 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.799 an incredible grooming for us, shout out to Demi. But 26 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:03.680 even after she like fully groomed these dogs, they came 27 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:05.000 home and they're just like still shedding. 28 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:06.959 Yeah, they're just not stopping. 29 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.840 Not stopping. And the amount of hair she pulled off 30 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:12.159 them was ridiculous. They looked great, felt great, but they 31 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 just they just kept shedding. No matter what. 32 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:15.000 It's a husky thing. 33 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:17.360 It's a husky thing. Yep, give it. 34 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:18.879 We got some big news here. 35 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:19.719 We do drop it. 36 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.159 Oh my goodness. So we have our two hundredth epic. 37 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:26.520 I know, I said the kind of the two hundred 38 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:30.159 and we're doing a live recording of that at Trench 39 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.080 on Wednesday, and it has sold out. 40 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.479 Its officially sold out, which means no tickets to the 41 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:38.840 door available. Yeah, all the tickets are sold, are sold. 42 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:39.719 And that's that's it. 43 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:43.199 That's wild, Like, thank you so much. It's kind of 44 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:44.879 blown us away, a been, no kidding. 45 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:46.159 It's going to be a good time. We're going to 46 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.960 have some drinks, do some door prizes. Record the episode live. 47 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.120 We will also be live streaming it for patrons, So 48 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.479 we've had a lot of patrons sign up recently, I 49 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:57.599 think probably preemptively for. 50 00:02:57.479 --> 00:02:58.479 That they can tune in. 51 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.199 Yeah, and then also so I mean a lot of 52 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:03.000 the live will be catching a lot more than what 53 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.680 will go up on the actual episode, because we're gonna 54 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.560 be releasing it as a real episode and video format 55 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.680 on YouTube as well. But yeah, it'll be the the 56 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.800 edited version on YouTube at a later date that comes. 57 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:16.960 Out basically just the recording, not the rest of the 58 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:18.560 Shenanigansay pretty much. 59 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:20.199 There might be a couple of odds and nand's put 60 00:03:20.199 --> 00:03:22.840 in here, but it'll it'll be mostly just the episode. 61 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:26.960 So yeah, but yeah, it's completely sold out and I 62 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.919 think we have a lot of patrons to thank for 63 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.960 that as well. So first off, thank you to everyone 64 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:33.319 who bought tickets who's going to be joining us locally, 65 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:35.840 and thank you to those patrons who signed up this week, 66 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:40.879 which are Kerrie d Lucas, Eslick, Jacob Rodriguez, Chloe Cheeseman, 67 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:46.159 Ronda Sellers, Bailey Nova, Jillian Rodriguez, excuse me, I arted 68 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.360 by Crystal Jess, Crystal P and the Doggies shout out 69 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:52.240 to the Doggies specifically and. 70 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:56.400 Nat nice, So thank you guys. Wow awesome. 71 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.039 Not to mention the day of the live recording, which 72 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:01.919 is tomorrow, they also get an exclusive Patreon episode that 73 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:05.360 drops to right which I haven't researched yet. So I've 74 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:09.879 really got to get my uh my gears in gear. 75 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:13.000 The ball rolling, Yeah, I gotta get my ass in gears, 76 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:14.280 I think. 77 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.560 Yeah, it's it's kind of crunch time. We've got a 78 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:18.759 lot going on right now. 79 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.519 So we do, but it's going to be a good time. 80 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:23.800 We're going to see everyone down at a trans bring in. 81 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.040 Distilling, and you want to know something we're doing that. 82 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:28.600 I decided like, basically in the middle of the night yesterday, 83 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.920 what's that at the very end of our podcast, we 84 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:33.319 always say something. 85 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:35.240 Right, Oh no, I that was already gonna happen. 86 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:37.519 Okay, no, yeah, people are going We're going to have 87 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.399 a live audience saying that, and I'm like stoked. 88 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.680 Yeah, that was just to give up. 89 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:44.839 Okay, Well, I thought of ordered at two in the 90 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.199 morning last night, and I was like, that's a good idea. 91 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:53.199 Now it's one hundred percent. Also, we could do that 92 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:55.680 in the intro too, It's like, my name's Ben, I'm Nicole, 93 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:57.319 and this is yeah, yeah, we. 94 00:04:57.279 --> 00:04:59.720 Can do like, oh yeah, this is okay. 95 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:03.000 True crime podcast. Maybe I don't know. Anyways, Yeah, we 96 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:07.120 digress onto the episode. This is the story of J. C. Dugert. 97 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:10.399 It's a heavy one. I'm going to warn everyone about 98 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:13.600 that right now because it does involve a sexual assault 99 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:19.480 and a minor But I did read J. C. Duggerd's book, 100 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.800 A Stolen Life, and we are really trying to stick 101 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:25.480 true to how she tells it. She is a survivor 102 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.920 and she's going out there on a limb sharing her experiences. 103 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.600 No matter how dark they are, she's sharing them. And 104 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:34.399 I think it's to try and you know, bring light 105 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.439 to these sort of situations and be an advocate for 106 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:40.680 those people who are suffering from this sort of thing. 107 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.560 So I'm really trying to make sure that while I 108 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:48.680 steer clear of some graphic details in nature, I do 109 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:50.720 tell it as she would want it to be told to, 110 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:55.639 So heads up on that it is a sensitive episode. 111 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.399 But yeah, that sounds good. I'm sure that you're going to. 112 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:01.720 Do it justice, I hope. So it's a lot like honestly, 113 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.480 this could be a freaking twelve part episode if I 114 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.160 really wanted to. Because she even has another book as well, 115 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:08.199 and I only dove into. 116 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:09.959 This she Okay, I didn't realize she had too. 117 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.000 Yeah, so I talk about both books. I mentioned them 118 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.959 both later, But one is basically the captive side of it, 119 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.879 and one is like the after and like getting back 120 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:22.800 out and like learning to live again. 121 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:24.560 Oh yeah, my gosh. 122 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.759 Yeah. So you ready for this? 123 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:29.600 Yeah? I mean, this is one case I actually feel 124 00:06:29.600 --> 00:06:31.639 like I know a fair amount about. But I'm sure 125 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:32.360 I'll still like. 126 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:36.160 Learn quite a bit, probably, And I've been researching this 127 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:38.519 one for a while, probably a good month or two. 128 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.560 I would really put my effort into doing this one. 129 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:42.959 Justice good good. 130 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:46.720 So here we go. You ready, all right? So? 131 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:47.120 J C. 132 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:51.560 Lee Dugard was born on May third, nineteen eighty. She 133 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:55.480 was born in Anaheim, California, to Terry Probin and Ken 134 00:06:56.560 --> 00:07:01.160 Stalton's Wow, Slayton, there we go. I'm already butchering at 135 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:05.199 my apologies now. Despite her parents' later separation when she 136 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:08.319 was younger, Jac's early childhood was marked by a strong 137 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:12.439 sense of love and family. Her mother, Terry, would later 138 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:17.519 marry to a carpet contractor named Carl Proben, hence why 139 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:19.120 Terry Probin's name. 140 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:20.360 Yeah, okay, that makes sense. 141 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:23.920 With her new stepfather now in the family, they moved 142 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:28.519 from Arcadia, California, in Los Angeles County to Myers, which 143 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:33.399 is a rural town south of South Lake Tahoe. And 144 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.160 they moved here specifically because it was a nice, safe community, 145 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.759 you know, a good place for a family. Right up bringing, 146 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.000 This is where Jace would grow up, surrounded by natural 147 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.480 beauty of the Sierra Nevada Mountains, gorgeous area country. 148 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:48.319 It's beautiful, totally. Yeah. 149 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:51.360 So Jace had this close knit family life with her 150 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.560 mother and stepfather and her younger half sister, Shana, who 151 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:58.800 was born a few years later in nineteen ninety. So 152 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:04.120 this was Carl's biological daughter with Jac's mother. So now 153 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:06.600 the probe and household was a place of warmth and love, 154 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.959 but it was not without its challenges. Jace's relationship with 155 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:14.959 her stepfather, Carl was rather strained at times. Carl was 156 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.839 a stern and disciplined man, often had high expectations and 157 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:23.000 some pretty strict rules, which occasionally led to conflicts with 158 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:28.000 more sensitive and gentle natured Jace. Right, so, to make 159 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.600 matters worse, he often seemed to treat Jace a little 160 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:34.080 bit different than her younger half sister Shane as well, 161 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:37.320 who is Carl's, as I mentioned, biological daughter. And I 162 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.320 think that's a struggle that many families unfortunately have to 163 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:44.600 juggle with, and I could imagine it's it would be 164 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:46.200 a sensitive thing for many families. 165 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:48.600 Yeah, no, that's tough for sure. 166 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:51.679 Yeah. So, while Karl did care for jac and took 167 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:54.919 on a role of a provider, their emotional connection was 168 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:59.360 often strained and occasionally led to these conflicts, contributing to 169 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:03.799 a sense of disparity and insecurity within JC. Now it's 170 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.120 not that Karl was a bad man. It was his 171 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:10.000 parenting techniques and rules that grew some difficulties within the relationship. 172 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:13.240 And potentially maybe he did have a little softer spot 173 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.080 for his biological daughter and that could have contributed to 174 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:18.679 it as well. Some of the things that he would do, 175 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:23.200 for example, is Jace would like scarf her food too 176 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:24.440 fast and kind of look like a pig at the 177 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:25.759 table sort of thing. I don't know if it's like 178 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:27.480 elbows on the table or what. She's just kind of 179 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:29.639 making a bit of a mess so at one point 180 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:32.679 he took her plate to the bathroom and made her 181 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.720 eat her dinner in front of a mirror so she 182 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.919 could see herself as she's eating. Okay, some things like that, 183 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.159 Like it's some strict parroting. It's not like he's being 184 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:43.279 an asshole, but it's like. 185 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.480 Not like a beau, well necessarily abusing. 186 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.639 But yeah, he's being a hard ass sort of thing. Yeah, 187 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.159 but he did care for Jace, so benefit to him 188 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.879 for that. And when this later all plays out, he 189 00:09:55.600 --> 00:10:00.320 was heartbroken over it. So Jac's mother, Terry, worked hard 190 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.879 to maintain a balance within the family, providing a nurturing 191 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:06.200 and supportive environment for both of her children. She balanced 192 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.879 work and family life with great care, ensuring that Jace 193 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:14.080 and Shana had everything that they needed. Jace, though having 194 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:17.639 some high expectations put upon her, did lead a good life, 195 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:19.720 and her early years were filled with joy and the 196 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:23.120 simple pleasures of life too. She enjoyed exploring the natural 197 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.440 beauty of her surroundings playing outdoors. She was also an 198 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:28.759 animal lover as well, from a very young age, with 199 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:32.759 a particular fondness for cats. She often dreamed becoming a veterinarian. 200 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:34.519 One day when she got older. 201 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:35.720 Oh, I love that. 202 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:39.519 At Meyers Elementary School, Jacey was known for her sweet 203 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.879 and gentle personality. Though she was somewhat shy and introverted, 204 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:46.320 she was well liked by her peers and teachers. Jacey 205 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.200 enjoyed learning and was rather diligent as a student, and 206 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.399 took pride in her school work and loved to draw 207 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:55.840 and paint. Now Terry, her mother worked hard to maintain 208 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.120 all this balance right, making sure that everything was perfect, 209 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:03.879 but a parent can only do so much. On the 210 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:06.519 morning of June tenth, nineteen ninety one, eleven year old 211 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:09.080 Jacy was getting ready for school just like any other day. 212 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:12.000 It initially started with her waiting in bed for her 213 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:13.919 mom to come up and give her a good morning kiss, 214 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.679 which was a typical morning routine. Didn't happen every day, 215 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:19.120 but you know, whenever it didn't happen, she would be 216 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:20.799 sure to remind her mother that she forgot. 217 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:22.840 Oh my goodness, that's adorable. 218 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:26.320 But soon Jace heard the front door close, which meant 219 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:30.360 today her mother had forgotten. She laid in bed for 220 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:32.200 a few more minutes, and her alarm went off and 221 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:34.559 she crawled out of bed began to get ready, and 222 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.240 this included placing a ring on her finger. She was 223 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.879 looking for a specific one but couldn't quite find it, 224 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.200 so instead she placed one on her finger that was 225 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.480 a little bit older. It was a nice, delicate silver 226 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:47.639 butterfly ring that her mother had given her for her 227 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:51.159 seventh birthday, a gift that she still treasured to this day. 228 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.919 After scarfing down a bowl of oatmeal and grabbing her backpack, 229 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:00.120 Jacey headed out the front door to school. Now, today 230 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:02.639 wasn't supposed to be a regular school day, though, Today 231 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:05.000 was a school field trip to a local water park 232 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.559 and everyone was looking forward to it. The excitement was 233 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.960 building towards this day. Jace was excited just like everyone else, 234 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.440 and she even wore her favorite all pink outfit in 235 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:18.000 anticipation for the big day. As she walked up to 236 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.600 her bus stop from the hill that went upwards from 237 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.559 her house, she got to the point where she was 238 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.639 taught by both her mother and Carl to cross the 239 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.000 road to continue walking. This was so oncoming traffic could 240 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:33.600 see her better. Right she did, she always did, and crossed, 241 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:35.399 and while thinking of everything that the day was going 242 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.919 to hold, her mind began to wander. She was so 243 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:40.200 lost in thought, in fact, that she didn't even notice 244 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.720 the car that pulled right up beside her. She initially 245 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:45.840 thought it was just going to pass like any other vehicle, 246 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:52.320 but instead it stopped. In that instant, a hand shot 247 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:57.720 out from the window and zaps JC with a taser gun. Jace, 248 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.440 now not knowing what just hit her, began to stumble 249 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:03.600 backwards into the bush and on the side of the road. 250 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.960 She lost her footing and is now not laying on 251 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:11.440 the ground, but she's on the ground right, yeah, And 252 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:13.720 she lost control of most of her body functions. She 253 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.240 couldn't run, she couldn't stand up, she couldn't do anything, 254 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.559 and as this man now stepped out of the vehicle, 255 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.200 looming over top of her. The taser, as I mentioned, 256 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.840 left her unable to do many things, which even included 257 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:27.600 her losing control of her bladder, and she wet her 258 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:31.519 favorite pink pants. The man quickly scooped her up and 259 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.840 placed her in the back seat of the car onto 260 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.399 the floor. He threw a blanket over her head and 261 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.679 drove off, with jac now passing out and a prisoner, 262 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.519 and him saying, I can't believe we just got away 263 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:44.879 with it. 264 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:50.720 Oh my gosh, that is just oh, it's terrifying too much. Oh, 265 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:52.360 that's just too much. Yeah. 266 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:55.159 Well, and this whole situation is, this is supposed to 267 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:57.639 be a safe community. Yeah, this is supposed to be 268 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:00.720 somewhere where families can be and feel safe and kids 269 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:04.039 can go outside and play, and you know, like j. 270 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:06.879 She's literally just walking to the school bus. 271 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.240 Yeah. And Jac in her book recounts like, you know, 272 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:11.559 like getting a ride to school before, but now like recently, 273 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:13.639 she's like, you know, walking to the school bus and stuff. 274 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.559 She's growing up. She's learning. Yeah, she's learning these responsibilities. 275 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:19.440 And this is supposed to be an environment where kids 276 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:23.799 can learn those responsibilities. And unfortunately, all it takes is 277 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:25.080 one bad apple. 278 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:28.279 Yeah. No one would like ever have imagined something like 279 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:29.240 that to ever happen. 280 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.039 So the man, though, wasn't the only person in the car, 281 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.000 and there was a woman as well, and between the 282 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:42.759 two of them they now had just officially taken JC. Now, 283 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.879 Jac's stepfather, Carl was in the garage getting ready to 284 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.720 leave for work, and he actually witnessed Jac's abduction just 285 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:51.080 up the hill from their house. 286 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:54.320 Holy shit, Okay, I don't think I knew. 287 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.120 That he immediately grabbed the closest thing to him, which 288 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.679 was a bicycle, and attempted to chase down the car, 289 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:02.840 but he quickly realized he couldn't do anything to catch 290 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:05.720 the car that was speeding away, and he turned around, 291 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.639 returned home to call Terry to alert her, and immediately 292 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.879 after telling her, he contacted authorities to report what had 293 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:14.039 just happened. 294 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:16.399 Wow, that just made my heart sink. 295 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:21.320 Within hours of Jac's disappearance, her story was covered by 296 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:25.519 local and national media in South Lake Tahoe. The community 297 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.919 quickly mobilized, with dozens of volunteers assisting in a search 298 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:34.399 effort and utilizing nearby available resources however they could. Over 299 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:37.720 the following weeks, tens of thousands of flyers and posters 300 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:42.840 were distributed two businesses across the United States in a 301 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:46.559 show of support and solidarity. The town was adorned in 302 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.720 pink ribbons, Jace's favorite color, to keep her memory alive 303 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.759 and to demonstrate the community's support for her family. 304 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.879 Good god, Okay, this episode is going to be real tough. Hey, Like, 305 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:00.960 my heart is just like so heavy already. 306 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:07.480 Yeah, it's not easy, oh boy. Jace's mother, Terry would 307 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.679 go on to found a group called Jacey's Hope to 308 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:13.279 coordinate a volunteer and fundraising efforts. They sold cassette tapes 309 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:17.600 with the song jce Lee, along with T shirts, sweatshirts, 310 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:22.519 and buttons to fundraise for poster material, postage printing, and 311 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:27.279 other related expenses to help bring Jace home. Organizations like 312 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:30.639 Child Quest International and the National Center for Missing and 313 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:34.919 Exploited Children were also involved in search efforts. The case 314 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:39.279 garnered national wide attention and was featured on the June fourteenth, 315 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:43.440 nineteen ninety one episode on the Fox television show America's 316 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:49.080 Most Wanted. Unfortunately, no matter the efforts that were put 317 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:52.879 forward to find and rescue Jace, she was now, unfortunately 318 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:58.600 hidden away and under complete control by her captors. The 319 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:02.399 day she went missing, jac was led onto a property 320 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:07.519 with a blanket still over her head. All right, how 321 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:08.960 are we doing so far? I gotta take a step 322 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:09.720 of coffee. 323 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:13.880 Because I know this, like I even like I said 324 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:15.799 no a bit about this, right, So I had prepared 325 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:19.200 myself a bit, but this is I didn't quite prepare 326 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:21.799 myself enough. I think, like, this is, this is a 327 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:22.480 brutal one. 328 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:24.559 I don't know if anyone could prepare themselves for a 329 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.160 story like this, if I'm being completely honest. 330 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.440 Yeah, and like just the fact that Carl saw this 331 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:35.799 happen too, like holy shit, yep, that is I just 332 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:38.960 don't even I don't know. If it gets much worse 333 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:39.400 than that. 334 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.079 Well, we'll keep going and we'll talk about it. So, 335 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:46.519 according to her book A Stolen Life, jac was first 336 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.839 taken into the house and into the bathroom. Here jac 337 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.680 would be subjected to her first encounter of sexual assault. 338 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:59.039 The man told Jace to undress, which she refused. He said, 339 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:00.799 if you don't undress yoursel and I will be the 340 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.960 one to undress you. And she stood there frozen, didn't 341 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.759 know what to do, so the man began to undress 342 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.960 her everything and took her clothes away except for one thing, 343 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:15.799 the small butterfly ring that she had put on that 344 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.039 morning from her mother from her seventh birthday. He didn't 345 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:24.480 seem to notice it. Oh my gosh, ben Ah, this 346 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:27.319 butterfly ring would be the one thing that she was 347 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.880 able to keep and remind herself of her mother, her 348 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.200 family in the outside world over the years to come. 349 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.119 After she was now completely undressed, standing frozen in the bathroom, 350 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.440 he then too undressed and made Jac shower with him. 351 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:43.119 There was no sex that occurred, but there was some 352 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.119 physical touch that he forced her to do, and the 353 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:49.200 man made Jac also shave her armpits and pubic region. 354 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.960 After the shower, he doesn't allow Jac to dress again. 355 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:56.359 He gives her a towel and takes her to the 356 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.359 backyard and places her inside a tiny shed that has 357 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.519 been well prepared to hold someone and it was even soundproofed. 358 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:07.720 She was then handcuffed with a fur lined pair of 359 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.680 handcuffs and left in the shed, which was bolted shut 360 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:14.640 behind him as he left. He also warned her that 361 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.559 there was an aggressive dog in the yard and that 362 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:23.240 it would attack if she tried to escape. Jace, terrified, 363 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:29.200 told the man she would not try and escape. As 364 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:31.799 the days passed, he would come into the shed where 365 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.480 she was being held and bring her food and visit Jace. 366 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:39.640 A big part of this case is understanding the psychological 367 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:42.640 aspect of what Jac went through. I know I could 368 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:44.920 never fully relate to her trauma no matter what I 369 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.519 ever go through my life, but in her book A 370 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:51.480 Stolen Life, she describes it in many times in many 371 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:54.319 different ways, and I took an excerpt for it from 372 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:56.119 it to try and paint a bit of a picture 373 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.640 from this exact moment in her life. After only a 374 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:02.880 few days of being held captive. This is what she 375 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.440 had to say about it. Quote. He would try to 376 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:09.839 make me smile with all these silly voices he would make. 377 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:13.240 He had an English accent, a Texan accent, and an 378 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:16.559 Australian accent. I feel this was part of his plan 379 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:20.000 to manipulate me into being compliant with him. He used 380 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:23.440 his powers of persuasion to gain my trust. He became 381 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:28.359 my entire world. I depended on him for food, water, 382 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.319 my toilet. He was my only source of amusement. I 383 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:38.319 craved human contact so much by then I actually looked 384 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:41.200 forward to him coming to see me. It felt like 385 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.119 he was bestowing me a gift his presence. 386 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:46.799 Wow. 387 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:52.319 I can not begin to imagine what that would feel like. 388 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:56.559 No. Yeah, like just to think that this person that 389 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:59.759 has put you in this situation is your everything, right. 390 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.039 Gosh, depending on them for literally everything? 391 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:06.640 Yeah huh. 392 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:09.000 And this is only a few days in and she's 393 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:12.119 already starting to feel like she's looking forward to him 394 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:16.160 coming to the shed, looking forward to his visits for 395 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:20.519 human connection, for entertainment. What will he bring me next? 396 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:23.240 What can he do next? Other than that, I'm just 397 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:27.359 sitting here alone, my own thoughts, thinking about. 398 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:29.480 Her family or family, her life. 399 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:36.640 Before, and he's a distraction breaks that depression in her. 400 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:39.160 Mind that is like so heavy. 401 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.359 Hey, it's about as heavy as it gets. 402 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:47.400 And I'm assuming like at this point, other than the 403 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:50.759 wife being there or the lady or whatever being there 404 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:54.880 when they captured her, she doesn't have any involvement. 405 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:58.720 Right now, not currently, but she does later integrate into 406 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:04.920 the situation. Okay, So a week after being kidnapped, jac 407 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.319 would be raped for the first time while still handcuffed 408 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.599 in the shed. This was only the beginning of the 409 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:14.200 horrors that she would endure, as she was continued to 410 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.279 be raped frequently, at least once a week for the 411 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:21.480 first three years of her captivity. Throughout that time, Jace 412 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:25.880 endured intense isolation, severe abuse, including times when the men 413 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.440 would do intense hard drugs and would sexually assault JC 414 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:34.240 for hours upon hours at a time. These were referred 415 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:37.079 to as runs, as he called them. 416 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:40.200 Oh my gosh, wow, I don't think I knew that. 417 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:44.079 Oh man, this guy's just like a nasty piece of shit. 418 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:48.000 Oh yeah. Now, initially she was kept in a small 419 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:50.759 soundproof shed in the backyard, and the shed was equipped 420 00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:54.839 with minimal facilities. For example, a bucket for a toilet 421 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.440 had very minimal ventilations, so even the toilets, you know, 422 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:03.680 building up in her breathing, or the unfortunate sexual assaults 423 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:09.359 that occurred hot days, it got stifling in there. 424 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:10.559 Yeah. 425 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:13.480 As time passed, Jace was granted more and more freedom 426 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:15.960 within the confines of the shed. She was given a TV, 427 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:21.039 video games, even some pets over time, cats and everything, 428 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.519 but they never really lasted long in the tiny space, 429 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:25.720 as it wasn't meant for animals and they were always 430 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:29.720 eventually taken away from her. She was also introduced to 431 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.240 the woman who was in the car the day that 432 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.279 she was captured. Now, this was the man's wife, and 433 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:39.039 she didn't seem to really like jac too much, but 434 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.519 Jace always did her best to make her like her. 435 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:45.880 That's all she wanted was to be liked by the 436 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:50.359 two people that she only ever saw. Now, I do 437 00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:55.440 you want to clarify this. This woman was never mean 438 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:57.559 per se. I mean she's helding her captives, so I 439 00:23:57.599 --> 00:23:59.039 mean the outside. 440 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.000 Of that, like she knew the situation that was going on. 441 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:04.440 Yeah, the interactions and everything. She was she played nice, 442 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:06.880 you know, she brought gifts and stuff like that for JC, 443 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:08.759 you know, a teddy bear at one point and everything. 444 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:13.680 But I mean, this is this man's wife and now 445 00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:16.680 this man has this fucking, for lack of better term, 446 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.559 sex slave in the backyard. So there was that bit 447 00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:22.200 of tension between the wife and JC. 448 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.319 Yeah, well teddy bear. No, she's still a complete piece 449 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:26.599 of shit. 450 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:28.559 Oh yeah, No, don't get me wrong. I'm just trying 451 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.000 to paint how it is for Jason's experiences. Right, she 452 00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:35.079 has this woman who's just a little bit cold shoulder 453 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.079 to her, not beating her anything, a little bit cold 454 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.240 shoulder to her. And Jace really wants this woman to 455 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.599 like her because, like I said, it's the only two 456 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:44.480 fucking people she sees for years at a time. 457 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:45.920 Yeah. 458 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.759 So yeah, this woman's still a piece of shit. Absolutely. 459 00:24:49.119 --> 00:24:54.200 But yeah, now between the two, the woman and the man, 460 00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:57.440 the married couple, the psychological games on JAC were intense. 461 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:01.599 For instance, Jace wasn't allowed to use her name anymore. 462 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:05.200 So Jace was keeping a journal to pass the time, 463 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.799 writing about her days and anything that she had done. 464 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.799 For example, when she did have a cat, she would 465 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.920 write about what the cat did today, and the personality 466 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.440 the cat, and funny things that had happened, and what 467 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:20.720 they were doing and everything right. When it was found 468 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:22.960 out that she was signing her name in this journal, 469 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.880 she was forced to tear the name out and was 470 00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:28.480 told never to say it again. 471 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:33.640 Oh my gosh, wow Okay. 472 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:39.920 In nineteen ninety three, two years after being abducted, the 473 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.160 man that was seeing Jace on a daily basis stop 474 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:46.279 coming by by. Now she knew the man by the 475 00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.640 name of Philip, and the woman that he was with 476 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:54.480 was Nancy. Instead, Nancy began coming to see her. She 477 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:56.799 told Jace that he wouldn't be back for a while, 478 00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:58.960 made up excuses saying that he was just kind of 479 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:02.000 away or whatever. Now the reality of the situation, though, 480 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.440 was that he had been briefly returned to jail for 481 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.160 about thirty days after failing a drug test and having 482 00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.400 drugs being reportedly found on the property, which was a 483 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:16.680 violation of his parole conditions. See Philip, whose full name 484 00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:20.599 is Philip Garrido, had a history of criminal convictions prior 485 00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:25.319 to abducting JC in nineteen seventy two, he was arrested 486 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:29.279 for the repeated rape of a fourteen year old girl. However, 487 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:32.200 he was never convicted in this case because a victim 488 00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:36.480 declined to testify in court. In nineteen seventy six, he 489 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:39.119 also kidnapped and raped a twenty five year old woman 490 00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.519 by the name of Catherine Callaway in South Lake Tahoe, California, 491 00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.240 taking her to a warehouse in Reno, Nevada. He was 492 00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:50.039 arrested when police officers discovered her inside the warehouse asking 493 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:55.079 for help. From this, he was convicted in nineteen seventy 494 00:26:55.119 --> 00:27:00.000 seven and began serving a fifty year federal sentence in Kansas, 495 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.119 where he was diagnosed as a quote sexual deviant and 496 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:09.880 chronic drug abuser with considerable emotional conflict, anxiety, depression, and 497 00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:14.960 a personality disorder. As it turns out, with the drugs 498 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.599 being found on the property as part of his breaking parole, 499 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:22.400 this meant officers had searched the house but never found 500 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.480 JC locked up in the backyard. 501 00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:28.119 Wow, they like hit it so fucking well, Hey. 502 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:34.720 They did, but they didn't. There's like they I don't know. 503 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.359 It's really hard to say because over time this it 504 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.960 goes from this shed to like different tents and stuff, 505 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:42.440 which I talk about a little bit later. And like 506 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:47.839 this like backyard living facility, and I mean you can't 507 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:49.400 really see it from the front of the house, but 508 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.319 like neighbors kind of like knew about it, and like 509 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.160 Google image shows it and everything. It's not like if 510 00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.759 you look, it's not really hidden. It's hidden from passerbys. 511 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.640 But if you look, it's right fucking there. 512 00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.640 But no one in there, like wildest thought would think 513 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.519 what the what was actually going on there? Like there's 514 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:11.480 just no way, I know think, Well, I mean maybe 515 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.720 we would. I would suspect some serious shit because I 516 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:16.720 suspect suspect everyone's doing weird. 517 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.200 That's true, it's trueness. But yeah, it was. It was 518 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.960 overlooked for lack of better terms. Now, whether it was 519 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.279 an in depth search was actually done, whether it was 520 00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.559 just oh we found something, this is good enough to 521 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.319 get them and they booked them right, who knows, but 522 00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.279 one way or another, she was overlooked well. 523 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:39.880 In this by the sounds of it too, like this 524 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.279 guy should shouldn't be roaming free like at all. He's 525 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:44.240 already fucked up. 526 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.039 Yes, times he's out on parole, which is unfortunately, something 527 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.920 that happens too far, too many individuals who do some 528 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.319 terrifying shit. But that's exactly what it is. 529 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:57.200 He's out on parole, allowed to do it again, yep. 530 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:01.200 And he would be jailed up or thirty days until 531 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:04.039 he was released once more, and then he resumed control 532 00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.759 and Jac's ordeal persisted unnoticed. 533 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.440 Jeez, like that, that's a moment right there where it 534 00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:15.400 was just so close, like it could have been. It 535 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:16.599 could have that could. 536 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.200 Have been it stopped. Yeah, could have been over after 537 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.759 two years instead, that's only a fraction of what she 538 00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:23.119 went through. 539 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:23.559 HM. 540 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.720 So now we're going to fast forward a bit. After 541 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.559 being held captive in the shed for three years, on 542 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.839 August eighteenth, nineteen ninety four, when Jace was only fourteen 543 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.319 years old, she would give birth to her first daughter. 544 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.480 The delivery took place where she was being held with 545 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:46.160 no access to medical professionals or proper health care. Despite 546 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.519 the traumatic circumstances, the birth of her first daughter brought 547 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.359 Jace a new sense of purpose and hope in her life. 548 00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.400 The arrival of her daughter, who she named Angel, became 549 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.160 a pivotal moment in Jac's life, now motivating her to 550 00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.160 survive and providing her with a reason to endure this 551 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:05.920 captivity and abuse. 552 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:12.319 It's incredible though that she even like you know, like 553 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.759 you said, there was no health care down there, right, 554 00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.799 so it's like and she's giving birth like it's amazing, yeap, 555 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.920 that nothing went wrong or anything right because she I'm 556 00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.200 sure she couldn't have been like the healthiest of people. 557 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.160 No, definitely not. And I do want to preface Nancy 558 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.359 had some medical knowledge, though I don't think she really 559 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:35.359 took place in the birthing, if I can recall correctly, 560 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.640 she worked at like a medical facility, like a hospital 561 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:40.759 or something. She wasn't an RN or anything like that, 562 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.160 but she had some like minor medical knowledge which may 563 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.599 have helped a bit, but not really at all. It's like, hey, 564 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:50.799 don't you gotta get hot towels and shit and keep 565 00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.279 it clean. That's probably extent of it sort of thing. 566 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:55.640 Well, yeah, and me. But she might have also potentially 567 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.799 like access to some supplies that were needed to potentially. 568 00:30:59.480 --> 00:31:03.640 Potentially Jace didn't really go into too much depth in 569 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.119 that regard in the book, if I can recall correctly, 570 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.400 but even still, it was it was quite primitive. It 571 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:13.119 was like she gave birth in the shed, so wow. 572 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:16.920 Now following the birth of her daughter, the frequency of 573 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.400 the rapes began to lessen, and jac and her newborn 574 00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.039 daughter continued to live in this backyard shed, which would 575 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.079 slowly be expanded and now include some other structures, including 576 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:31.279 tents and a second building. Another three years would go by, 577 00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.759 and jac would give birth to her second daughter, Starlet, 578 00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:39.640 on November thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, still while being held captive, 579 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:46.960 still in the backyard, still with no medical treatment. The 580 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:51.720 birth was the same, but as a result, Jace now 581 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.920 had a second daughter, a second reason to keep going. 582 00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.720 The last time Philip ever raped Jace was on the 583 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:03.079 day that Starlet was conceived. Though the end of the 584 00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.359 sexual abuse was over, Jace was still living a nightmare, 585 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.680 raising two children in captive care for years to come. 586 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.640 As time passed and Jac's daughters were growing up, they 587 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.400 were granted more and more access to the outside world. 588 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:22.480 Jace began taking part in activities like gardening and planting flowers, 589 00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:26.279 as well as homeschooling her daughters. Along the way. At 590 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:29.759 one point, Philip instructed Jace to teach her daughters to 591 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:33.319 call his wife Nancy mom instead. 592 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.799 Of her, Oh gosh no, and to. 593 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.839 Instead refer to her as their older sister. 594 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.799 Wow. Wow, I mean yeah, just so that he can 595 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:45.680 maybe look and not feel like such a piece of shit. 596 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.480 Holy crap. Yeah, I didn't know that. That is quite disturbing. 597 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.599 Well, Philip told Jace it was easier for Nancy with 598 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:55.640 the little bit of jealousy things that were going on. 599 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.480 But this was more a facade to maintain the secrecy. 600 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.319 It's like, oh, yeah, these are our children. Oh, that 601 00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:07.920 explains it, right, anyone asks. So they took this story 602 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.839 out into the public eye. Now it had been nearly 603 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.559 twenty years later, Jace and her daughters were fully integrated 604 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:21.000 into Philip and Nancy's life, being their daughters. Philip even 605 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.480 ran a print shop where Jace would work as a 606 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:27.119 graphic artist. Here, she worked with customers and spoke to 607 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.960 people regarding their projects. During this period, Jace had access 608 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:35.279 to the business phone and an email account. Yet despite 609 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.599 these opportunities, she never revealed her true identity or even 610 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.480 hinted at the abduction that she went through or tried 611 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:46.200 to make an escape. Witnesses even recall seeing Jace at 612 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.480 the house occasionally answering the front door, yet she never 613 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.000 indicated that anything was ever wrong or attempted to make 614 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.599 a run for it. This goes back to when Jace 615 00:33:56.799 --> 00:34:00.480 mentioned at the very beginning that she fully relied on 616 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:06.359 her captors. Except now it's almost twenty years of evolving 617 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:06.759 through that. 618 00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:09.840 Holy shit. But then also too, like she has these 619 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.000 two other like her girls to think about, right, and 620 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.440 like she just runs off. She can't because she's not 621 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.800 going to leave her kids. Her two kids there. 622 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.599 Well, they had freedom, they could she could have grabbed 623 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.159 her kids and gone okay. 624 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.480 Wow man. But yeah, there's like, like you have already mentioned, 625 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:29.920 there's so much more. 626 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:33.920 To this psychological trauma within this because she fully relied 627 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:36.639 on them. She's like, if I leave, what will I do? 628 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:37.840 Yeah? 629 00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.360 Like where will I go? This is all I have? 630 00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:42.440 Oh my goodness. 631 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:46.280 So she began to almost want to protect Philip and 632 00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:50.320 Nancy and what happened. She's thinking, they're good people for 633 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:56.039 keeping me, for helping me, helping me raise my daughters. Yeah, 634 00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.599 he's not raping me anymore. He's a good man. Now 635 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.119 he's changed. That sort of stuff is what's going through 636 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.039 her mind. And that's the sort of thing that they 637 00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:05.679 implanted in her. It's terrifying. 638 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.119 I didn't realize that he had like stopped raping her. 639 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:08.960 I had no idea. 640 00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:14.800 He began to look at them as his daughters. Oh okay, 641 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.719 I mean two of them were his daughters. 642 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:22.239 Yeah, yeah, that's true. Brutal. 643 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.920 Yeah. So Jac was fully reliant on these two individuals. 644 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.079 They gave her everything, and I mean this all it 645 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.039 all started because he was basically like a major sexual 646 00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.360 deviance and like quite aggressive with it and stuff, and 647 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.199 he's like, Okay, you're the reason. You're what I'm going 648 00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:40.920 to take this out on. I can't take it out 649 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:43.440 of my wife, so it's going to be you. And 650 00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.639 then over time, like he's now got these daughters and 651 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:48.440 it's like things are changing and it. 652 00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.400 Well, yeah developed, it's just like family now, right, so yeah, yeah. 653 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:56.400 And for better or for worse, JAC looked to them 654 00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:01.199 as family now too. It would be a grand total 655 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.639 of eighteen years that Jac would be helped captive, and 656 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.559 on August twenty fourth, in two thousand and nine, Philip 657 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:13.079 would finally make the mistake. In recent years, he had 658 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:16.159 begun to see himself as somewhat of a prophet, a 659 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.760 religious man, singing religious songs and preaching. On this day, 660 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:25.519 in particular, he visited the FBI office in San Francisco 661 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.880 and left behind a four page essay outlining his thoughts 662 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:33.159 on religion and sexuality, claiming he had discovered a method 663 00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.599 to control deviant behavior. Yeah, he's kind of he's getting 664 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:41.119 out there. Later that same day, he visited the University 665 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:45.239 of California, Berkeley, with Jac's two daughters in tow to 666 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:50.199 request permission for an event related to his God's Desires program. 667 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:56.920 Now this kind of highlights a big problem with this 668 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:02.360 case because his house was searched, right for example, and 669 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.239 they were never found. They were overlooked. He had just 670 00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:11.159 walked into the FBI office and again he was overlooked. 671 00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:16.880 But now he's on a university campus, and Lisa Campbell, 672 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.559 a campus police officer, is the one who found his 673 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.000 behavior odd and erratic and the girl's demeanor that was 674 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.599 with him rather unusual. I mean, their upbringing was quite unusual, 675 00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:30.960 so it would make sense, right, super sheltered, right, Yeah, 676 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.400 So he asked him to return next day for an appointment. 677 00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.280 While he was gone. With the time that she had, 678 00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.639 Lisa did a background check on Philip found that he 679 00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.840 was a registered sex offender and given his history with 680 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:48.440 the strange two girls. Sorry, given his history and that 681 00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:50.719 he had these strange two girls with him, it was 682 00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:55.360 a massive red flag for Lisa. The following day, he 683 00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:57.920 and the girls returned for their appointment as requested, and 684 00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:02.400 Lisa immediately contacted the office to his express her concerns. 685 00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.800 Officers visited the home that evening searched the house but 686 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.119 didn't find the girls. 687 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:13.760 Oh my gosh, okay, what the shit? But also Lisa like, 688 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.440 thank you for people like Lisa. Hey, yep. 689 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.559 Now. These officers ordered Philip to report to the office 690 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.239 the next day for an interview. On August twenty sixth, 691 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.880 and Philip obliged. He returned with his wife Nancy, and 692 00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.800 the two girls and j C, who identified herself now 693 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:37.559 as Alissa. The officers were stunned and very confused, so 694 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:43.880 they separated everyone and began questioning and interviewing. Even when separated, 695 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:48.239 Jace initially maintained her false identity and claimed the girls 696 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:54.079 were his daughters. She defended Philip and said that he 697 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:59.119 was a changed man and good with children. However, as 698 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:03.199 the interview progressed, jac became defensive and agitated When asked 699 00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:06.960 for more details, eventually claiming she was a battered wife 700 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.559 from Minnesota hiding from an abusive husband, a false story. 701 00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:14.760 It wasn't until the arrival of Concord police sergeant that 702 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:21.199 Philip finally confessed to kidnapping and racing raping Jce, leading 703 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.800 to the reveal of her true identity to officers. 704 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:31.239 Philip was the one that Philip, Oh, okay, wow, this 705 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:36.079 is how deep he got into Jac's head. Wow that 706 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.320 is just that's just like unfathomable. Wow. 707 00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.280 The authorities were stunned. They had just found j C. 708 00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:49.280 Duggard after all these years, and thanks to Lisa, that 709 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:54.840 security officer police officer at the campus, thanks to the 710 00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:56.039 one person. 711 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:58.519 That went above and beyond doing their job, not. 712 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.079 Even above and beyond, just did their fucking job. 713 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:02.320 Yeah that's true. 714 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.000 So don't get me wrong. J C is one hundred 715 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.800 percent the badass of the day here for surviving this. 716 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:08.599 But I'm going to give out a second one. We 717 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.039 have two badasses of the day. Lisa here one hundred 718 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.880 percent is also a badass in her own right. 719 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:14.280 Yep. 720 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:21.480 So Philip and Nancy were of course swiftly arrested, and 721 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:26.119 Jace was reunited with her mother, Terry, on August twenty seventh, 722 00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:27.639 two thousand and nine. 723 00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:31.679 Oh my goodness, Terry, I'm like pretty certain thought that 724 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:33.719 she would never see her daughter again, right, like that 725 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:38.280 she died or most likely yeah yeah. 726 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:41.559 After all this occurred, jac and her two daughters, of course, 727 00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.719 faced numerous challenges as they adjusted to life outside of captivity, 728 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:51.480 which was a long psychological and emotional recovery navigating the 729 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.840 years of abuse, which included dealing with PTSD, anxiety, and depression. 730 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.519 Jace also exhibited a lot of signs of Stockholm syndrome, 731 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.079 making it difficult to reconcile her feelings and experiences during 732 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:11.400 captivity with her newfound freedom. Having lived in isolation for 733 00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:16.119 eighteen years, their social skills and understanding the outside world 734 00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:21.599 were severely impacted. Adapting to normal society, social interactions, and 735 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:27.599 social norms required a lot of time, patience, and support. Additionally, 736 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.159 transitioning the girls into formal education system was a challenge 737 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:34.760 since they had been homeschooled and under extreme limited conditions, 738 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:39.079 and they needed to catch up academically. The intense media 739 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.960 attention added another layer to it all. Maintaining privacy while 740 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.079 dealing with the public curiosity and media interest was a 741 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.280 struggle to say the least, and among all of these 742 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:56.960 hurdles she now had to overcome her probably the final 743 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:02.480 worst one. She had to relive and recount these experiences 744 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:10.239 over the past eighteen years in a courtroom. Thankfully, as 745 00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:13.920 a result of the hearings, in April of twenty eleven, 746 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:18.440 Philip Garrito made a deal a plea deal, and pled 747 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.920 guilty to a total of fourteen charges, including kidnap and rape. 748 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:26.559 Nancy also pleaded guilty to her charges of kidnapping and rape. 749 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:28.920 And while I'm usually not a fan of plea dale's, 750 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.239 in this case, it's significantly cut down the amount of 751 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.239 time JC and her daughters spent in the courtroom. Oh okay, 752 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:36.960 because this didn't even go to trial. 753 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.599 Okay, that's good. That yeah, that is good because I'm 754 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:42.719 assuming they're still going to be in there for life. 755 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:47.840 So well, that's debatable. Oh my, and one of them, 756 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.280 well here I'll tell you right now, don't jump to 757 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.920 conclusions just yet. In June of twenty eleven, sixty year 758 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.880 old Philip Garrito was sentenced to a total of four 759 00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.880 hundred and thirty one years to life in prison and 760 00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.599 fifty five year old Nancy Grito received a sentence of 761 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.679 thirty six years to life in prison. So there is 762 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.440 a possibility of Nancy getting out, but if she does, 763 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:10.519 she will be old at sin. 764 00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:13.679 Yeah, but still there should be no probable I mean, okay, 765 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.360 but grant you without fill up she made, she probably 766 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.199 wouldn't like wouldn't have done this, yes, right, and like 767 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.719 I'm doubting that she would ever do something like this again. 768 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:26.440 But still like she was very much so involved in 769 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:28.960 she was in jail forever she was. 770 00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:36.400 She knew about it all, but Philip did most of it, 771 00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:38.840 though she was involved in some of it, you know 772 00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:39.280 what I mean. 773 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.679 So like she wouldn't have had I guess, like the 774 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:42.639 rape and stuff. 775 00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:46.440 No, as far as I'm aware, Nancy did not involve 776 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:47.320 herself in any of. 777 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.199 The abuse and stuff. 778 00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.400 Well, she was involved with abuse for sure, just like that, 779 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:55.559 not of sexual nature. Yeah. 780 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:56.119 Yeah. 781 00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:01.400 Today, Jace lives a relatively pate life with her two daughters, 782 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:04.400 striving to maintain a sense of normalcy after the trauma 783 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.559 that they all endured after the rescue. In two thousand 784 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.360 and nine. Jac worked diligently to provide her daughters with 785 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.800 a stable and supportive environment, allowing them to catch up 786 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.679 on their education as we already mentioned, and integrate themselves 787 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:21.159 back into society. Both daughters have since graduated high school 788 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:23.039 and attended college oh Man. 789 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:24.760 All those awesome. 790 00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.639 Specific details of their lives are kept private for obvious reasons. 791 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:28.960 Which is good. 792 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:33.559 Yes, jc has become an advocate for survivors of trauma 793 00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:38.320 and abduction. She founded the JYC or j C Foundation, 794 00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:42.159 which aims to assist family and individuals who have experienced 795 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:47.280 severe crisis or life disruptions. The foundation provides educational and 796 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:52.960 therapeutic programs, including animal assist therapy to promote healing and resilience. 797 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.280 Nothing says healing like a fucking animal therapy, Honestly, Like 798 00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.280 I can just it's not going to fix everything, but 799 00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.199 you get yourself a good dog that just just sits 800 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:02.480 with you. 801 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.199 Yeah, I mean like animals, I feel like are just 802 00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:07.599 little angels in disguise. 803 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.800 Yeah, a person can listen, but a person will ask 804 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.880 questions or form thoughts and opinions. A dog just listen. 805 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:20.440 Yeah, no judgment, No, they literally have like no judgment whatsoever. 806 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.840 So Jace also shared her story through her memoirs A 807 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.239 one book A Stolen Life, which was published in twenty eleven, 808 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:32.039 which was a massive resource to me writing this episode today, 809 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.559 and her second book, Freedom, My Book of First which 810 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.960 was published in twenty sixteen one I have yet to read, 811 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.639 but I certainly will be reading now. Despite her advocacy, 812 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.440 JC and her daughters largely stay out of the public's eye, 813 00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:50.840 focusing on their personal healing and their family life that 814 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:57.960 they now have together. That is the story of J. C. Dugert. 815 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:03.000 Yeah, that is just like, like I mean, I like 816 00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:04.639 I said, I kind of knew a bit about it, 817 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.480 but and then it just like it's just mind blowing 818 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.800 that something like that could happen. That's all. There are 819 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.320 people in this world that are just that fucked up 820 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.360 that can justify like that doing something like this to 821 00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:21.920 fulfill their ridiculously disturbing meats. 822 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.039 Oh, I know, it's it's wild and like in all honesty, 823 00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.280 like I said at the very beginning, I think I 824 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.039 said it maybe it was just a thought. Anyways, this 825 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.119 could easily be like a twelve parter episode, so I 826 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:34.400 had to cut back like a lot. Like this book 827 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.599 is I don't know how thick, but it's got hundreds 828 00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:41.480 of pages whereas my story was like twenty pages. So 829 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:44.840 the information that's out there that JC has shared on 830 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:49.159 her story is a lot in what she endured is unfathomable. 831 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.719 I highly recommend you read her books. 832 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.000 Well what an incredible woman, like no shit, you know, 833 00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.039 to just like how she's going about with her healing 834 00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.960 and like you can just tell that she is strong 835 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:02.400 as hell. 836 00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:06.079 Yeah, And there are instances out there where people have 837 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.880 reported like hey, seeing like kids in the backyard and 838 00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.599 stuff like that over his place over the years, and 839 00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:13.159 nothing was ever really done. 840 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.800 Oh gosh, and considering his background, like yeah it should 841 00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:17.119 have been. 842 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.519 I know, Like one thing was like they reported like 843 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.199 people living in the backyard. 844 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:22.639 And these like times, Oh my god. 845 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:24.519 And someone was like, yeah, no one better be living 846 00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:29.320 back there because like that's a zoning issue. You can't 847 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:32.440 do that. So okay, yeah, no one looks back there. Okay, good, 848 00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:35.280 because we find anyone's living back there, then it's gonna 849 00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.840 be taken down. Yeah, that's about all it was done. 850 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:40.519 Like there's a lot of shit like that, Like there 851 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:44.599 was another one where a neighbor had like seen jac 852 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.559 in the backyard when she was young. But this is 853 00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:50.679 also a point where she's like fully fucking like integrated 854 00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:52.920 and like not really saying who she is too much. 855 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.679 She might have told her name at this point, but 856 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.800 a neighbor, another young person, like they talked through the fence. 857 00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.800 Oh my gosh, and then as a result, like Philip 858 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:06.960 then like took her away and like would later build 859 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.039 a bigger fence where like right, like this sort of 860 00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:10.599 shit happened. 861 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:13.400 Like there's so many like close calls where it's like 862 00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.119 why didn't something come Yeah, and I'm not not blaming 863 00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.159 like the kid, yeah, but why didn't authorities. 864 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.159 Like like he really. 865 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:28.719 Yeah, Like it's nobody questioned this sex offender. Yeah, with 866 00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.679 this backyard maze of shit and the sightings of these 867 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:33.880 girls and like like. 868 00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.159 Because he really didn't do like that good of a 869 00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:37.320 job to fight it. 870 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.519 He didn't. He did, like I said, he pulled the 871 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.079 veil over for like passerbys. But if you looked into it, 872 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:48.199 you would find it no problem. Yeah, because anytime his 873 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:51.760 property was searched, his property wasn't searched, his house was searched. 874 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.039 They didn't even step foot in his backyard because if 875 00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.000 you did, you would see this shit and you'd be like, 876 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:57.280 what the fuck's going on back here? 877 00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.440 Could you imagine too, if you were like one of 878 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:03.079 those people part of that search and like later found 879 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.920 out what was going on in the backyard, the feeling 880 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.440 that you would have, Hey, like I I. 881 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.800 Would have to make a fucking personal apology to JC. 882 00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:18.159 Yeah, Like I mean, oh, because you know, you regret 883 00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:19.840 things in life, and that would I just think that 884 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.320 would be one that you would just never be able 885 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:27.719 to really get over. No, this case, like I could 886 00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.000 almost just like solve if I like the automoeto art, 887 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.079 I could just like start solving it. So many times 888 00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:33.199 it's just it's unreal. 889 00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:35.880 Well, we are going to be doing a Wicked Box 890 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:37.920 giveaway that we've been alluding to for a few months now, 891 00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:40.880 and in the Wicked Box, one of them, we will 892 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:43.800 be putting this this book by jac in there, so 893 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.719 someone who gets that box will have a chance to 894 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.960 give this a good read. Yeah, and I recommend it. 895 00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.480 It's a bit like like, don't get me wrong, it's 896 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:55.280 I have nothing against JC, Like some of her writing 897 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.920 is a bit not quite my style, but her story 898 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:02.079 like holy shit. So it's yeah, it's a good book. 899 00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:05.679 Yeah, I mean it's like amazing to her to put 900 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:09.559 that on paper, like I just it's absolutely incredible. 901 00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:12.320 It is. And there's a lot of sections here too, 902 00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:17.719 like with each chapter she'll talk about like, Okay, so 903 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:19.719 this one chapter here that starts on page thirteen, it's 904 00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.599 called Stolen, and then at the end of it, there's 905 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:28.480 a page that she's titled Reflection, and she looks back 906 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.000 and like, so not only is she telling her story 907 00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:33.840 through it, but then she like reflects back on it 908 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.000 in her like now grown up self. 909 00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.079 Yeah, incredible. Wow. 910 00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:43.519 Like here, I'm going to read this a couple of 911 00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:45.480 sentences here just to kind of give you a perspective. 912 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:51.119 So this is page fifteen, reflection on being stolen. Looking 913 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:54.159 back on that day, feelings of dread come to mind. 914 00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:56.920 I was eleven years old, still very much a kid. 915 00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.320 I was very scared and alone. I didn't know going 916 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.679 to happen. And if someone had told me what I 917 00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.719 would be enduring for the next eighteen years, I would 918 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:08.840 never have believed them. I had no idea what was 919 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.119 going to happen to me. What this man had in 920 00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.519 mind for me was like a foreign language. 921 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:17.440 Yeah, isn't that the truth? 922 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:17.719 Hey? 923 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:18.840 Yeah? Scary? 924 00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:20.159 Huh. 925 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.760 Okay, Well, hopefully you guys got through all that and 926 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:24.880 you're doing all right. 927 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.440 Oh yeah, I'm heading to yoga now. 928 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.159 Distress a bit. Don't forget to check out our links 929 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:34.039 down below. You can have us find us on Patreon, Instagram, 930 00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:35.519 all that sort of stuff. We're going to have our 931 00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.920 live stream for our two hundredth episode happening over at Trench, 932 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.360 a local brewery. It's gonna be a good time. You 933 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.639 can sign up on Patreon and join us on that 934 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.039 live stream. Yeah, all that stuff's down below. We're looking 935 00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:48.119 forward to seeing you guys there. 936 00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:52.440 Yeah. Yeah, and good work. I definitely would say that 937 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.280 you did this story justice, So thank you. 938 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.440 I appreciate that it was a difficult one and doing 939 00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:00.000 it justice was my primary focus. Yeah, so thank you. 940 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:02.480 Okay, So until next time. 941 00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:04.920 Until next time, same time. 942 00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:06.880 Yeah, together, we're going to practice this. 943 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:08.840 We'll try to get ready, okay. 944 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.119 So three two one say Wicked.