Speaker 1: Bill, can you hear me? No, we lose connection.
Speaker 2: Liam, Welcome back to the Spooky Shed. I am your host.
Speaker 2: I will be taking over from here. You'll get a
Speaker 2: laugh out of this. And you rewatched this and go
Speaker 2: to edit it. No, I'm a capricorn. I like long
Speaker 2: walks on the beach. I don't like to go barefooted,
Speaker 2: though kind of self conscious about being barefooted. I like
Speaker 2: to have my socks on. I'm looking for love and
Speaker 2: all the wrong places, you know. I'm looking for missus right.
Speaker 2: And she's got to be a little on the fringy side.
Speaker 2: Can't be missus uptight, you know, she's got to be
Speaker 2: missus laid back. And uh, you know, I've had enough
Speaker 2: missus wrongs. So it's I'm gonna take my time and
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna settle this go around. You know what
Speaker 2: they say, there are times a charm right, They're not
Speaker 2: using any of this stuff for reals. But do you
Speaker 2: a sclamer to the fair season? Karns out there? Oh?
Speaker 3: All guests on the show do not reflect the opinions
Speaker 3: of hosting. The purpose of the show is to have
Speaker 3: anything comes, stretch our minds and grow, not what we want.
Speaker 3: If you are looking for an echo chamber. You were listener,
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Speaker 4: Did you talk about extreme?
Speaker 1: What is happening and what is U? Hold out your
Speaker 1: glass because we're about to feel.
Speaker 4: The join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown.
Speaker 4: It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save,
Speaker 4: and innumerable treasures to hoard. Our torch is high, you know,
Speaker 4: look at it from a different perspective, different perspective.
Speaker 5: Right then, guys, welcome back to the Spooky Shed podcast.
Speaker 6: I have a special guest with me tonight.
Speaker 5: So tonight I have got Justin Doc Brown, author of
Speaker 5: the epic of Esau.
Speaker 6: I'm i saying that right Justin.
Speaker 1: He nailed it, Man Nail, Welcome.
Speaker 6: To the podcast and welcome to the Shed, my friend.
Speaker 6: How are we?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, man, thank you for having me.
Speaker 6: Good good.
Speaker 1: I said it on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Man, it's the cool shared I don't know why you
Speaker 2: spooky shies cool ship.
Speaker 6: And almost like I said, spooky is cool. So it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, once we.
Speaker 5: Get on, I'll get a few spider webs up in
Speaker 5: here and somebody we'll make it a bit spook here
Speaker 5: at some point. Right then, for any of our listeners.
Speaker 5: Do you want to tell them about yourself? Tell him
Speaker 5: about your podcast beforeward jump in obviously to the main
Speaker 5: part of the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my name is Justin Brown. Like I kind
Speaker 2: of got the nickname dark. I started podcasting back in
Speaker 2: twenty too. But I'm just your normal nine to five knuckle.
Speaker 1: Drag, you know, factory rat.
Speaker 2: Uh my, my name really suits me. Well, there's so
Speaker 2: many Justin Brown's. It's a very common thing. I've even
Speaker 2: been accused of being like a like being a pseudonym,
Speaker 2: Like I'm a guy on the run that just made
Speaker 2: up this common name to you know, to try to
Speaker 2: get away from the law or something. But no, I
Speaker 2: work in plastics, got two kids and family and everything. Man,
Speaker 2: I just go to work, pay my bills and just
Speaker 2: your normal guy. But I've always loved history, and I
Speaker 2: always loved conspiracy and the weird fringy stuff. And uh,
Speaker 2: I'm from the hills of East Tennessee, so I'm uh
Speaker 2: what some people call it a heel billy. That's where
Speaker 2: where the twang comes from. But uh yeah, man, grew
Speaker 2: up in the Bible Belt's what they call it. So
Speaker 2: church was always a normal part of my life, but
Speaker 2: teenage years came rebelled, just you know, typical story. But
Speaker 2: I was always fascinated with the Bible and the stories
Speaker 2: in the Bible and stuff like that. And when I
Speaker 2: come back and started cleaning my life back up and
Speaker 2: trying to walk the straight and narrow, I stumbled across
Speaker 2: people like Trey Smith and Timothy Alvarino and Steve Quail
Speaker 2: and all these guys talking about all these weird things,
Speaker 2: you know, in the Bible, like angels coming down and
Speaker 2: breeding with men and creating these hybrid giant races and
Speaker 2: aliens and UFOs and vampires and cryptids.
Speaker 1: And all this stuff in the Bible.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, these guys are heretics. They're just
Speaker 2: full of it. Man, I've read them with the Bible
Speaker 2: many times. That stuff's not in there. Got to looking
Speaker 2: through man. Sure enough, it was like right there in
Speaker 2: front of my face. The whole time, I was just
Speaker 2: one of those guys that fell victim to dogma. I
Speaker 2: just listened to my pastors and people around me tell
Speaker 2: me what to believe, even told me what was in there.
Speaker 2: And I never really took a deep dive for myself.
Speaker 2: And so once I did and started finding all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Man, it did.
Speaker 2: It just lit a fire underneath me. Man, I was
Speaker 2: never the guy that liked to read or was a
Speaker 2: studious person. But ever since that day, it was around
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, as you see behind me, I got a
Speaker 2: large collection of books and that's not even the half
Speaker 2: of them. It's like lit this thirst for knowledge and
Speaker 2: to learn all this stuff about ancient history and lost
Speaker 2: civilizations and the Bible and how all this stuff connects.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: And that just led to talking about it in podcasts,
Speaker 2: and me and my buddies up started a podcast in
Speaker 2: twenty two called the dig Bible Podcast and we've done
Speaker 2: that for a few years. And then that ended up
Speaker 2: leading to me wanting to talk about even more broader topics.
Speaker 2: You know, Like I said, I always loved history and
Speaker 2: ancient loss civilizations and all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: I started The Prometheus Lens a year ago and I
Speaker 2: just now published my first book. So it's been quite
Speaker 2: the journey going down this road and exploring all these
Speaker 2: fascinating topics.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it sounds like a hell of a journey,
Speaker 6: to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I do usually like to go back, I think, say,
Speaker 5: with old guests and ask you know where the interest
Speaker 5: comes into the weirder things in life, as I'd like
Speaker 5: to call it. But I'm guessing then from what you've
Speaker 5: said there, that you were sort of later to it then,
Speaker 5: because obviously a lot of people starts at a younger age.
Speaker 2: Well, even as a kid, I mean, I loved the
Speaker 2: the what I thought was weird in the Bible was
Speaker 2: just they kind of whitewashed it for me. Like Goliath,
Speaker 2: I was like, man, what's up with this guy? He
Speaker 2: was so big, you know, and then even he saw
Speaker 2: I remember, I was like, he come out with hair.
Speaker 1: All over him? What's up with that? Oh?
Speaker 2: He was just there was that was hyperbole, you know.
Speaker 2: He just had a real good beard and knew how
Speaker 2: your uncles werew.
Speaker 1: Harry on his back. That's what that is.
Speaker 2: And they really whitewashed that stuff. But I always loved
Speaker 2: horror fel and supernatural stuff and comic book heroes things
Speaker 2: like that. But my grandmother, she was a Native American,
Speaker 2: and she always had some wild stories, I mean, and
Speaker 2: she would talk about ghosts and apparitions and stuff she
Speaker 2: had seen and things like that, and that really kind
Speaker 2: of always grab my attention. So anytime I was around
Speaker 2: my grandmother, I'd always just want to sit down with
Speaker 2: her and have her just tell me all the stories
Speaker 2: she knew, and stories about the Bell Witch here in
Speaker 2: East Tennessee. And so I always had a fascination, even
Speaker 2: as a kid, for the supernatural.
Speaker 5: Now that makes sense, I can. I can definitely understand. Well,
Speaker 5: I can relate, well, not not so much relate, but
Speaker 5: I can definitely see why you would enjoy the stories
Speaker 5: coming from there. From from you, grandma, you said that
Speaker 5: would definitely be interesting. You mentioned that horror movies and
Speaker 5: comic book heroes straight off the bat then evers.
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm, uh, you got favorite.
Speaker 1: And I love Freddy Krueger as a kid.
Speaker 2: Now that I go back and watch it, it's like, man,
Speaker 2: those movies are laughable, you know. But back then, man,
Speaker 2: they were they were pretty terrifying.
Speaker 1: But I loved the idea of well, I.
Speaker 2: Know that sounds terrible now, but I thought it was
Speaker 2: really cool that it was a horror guy that would
Speaker 2: come to you in your dreams, you know, and then
Speaker 2: he could manifest and come into reality, and that he
Speaker 2: fed off your fear and just all that stuff. When
Speaker 2: I was a kid, that I thought that was fascinating
Speaker 2: and uh, far as superheroes, of course, I was always
Speaker 2: the big Superman guy. What little kid doesn't want to
Speaker 2: fly and shoot, you know, fire from his eyes and
Speaker 2: uh snow from his mouth and blow blow out stuff.
Speaker 2: And so it was like, yeah, Superman was always a
Speaker 2: one of my favorites, and trying to think and as
Speaker 2: I got older, like my teenage years, when you get
Speaker 2: obsessed with being big and strong and uh, the Hulk
Speaker 2: was always a big one, which you can't see because
Speaker 2: my camera angle, but I got a uh uh uh
Speaker 2: an oil painting that a friend that was a tattoo
Speaker 2: artist did up the Hulk over here. He's all green
Speaker 2: and muscled up and stuff. And in the background, I
Speaker 2: got a big green Hulk standing right there figure green.
Speaker 1: So the Hulk I always thought he was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what about you? You said you was a big comic
Speaker 1: book guy and horror guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well the same Nightmaron on Street was always my favorite,
Speaker 5: purely just because he was the It was the first
Speaker 5: one I watched when I was about nine years old,
Speaker 5: so it was like I always remember it was like
Speaker 5: two o'clock in the morning, stayed up to watch it
Speaker 5: and then didn't sleep for the rest of the week. Well, superheroes,
Speaker 5: for me, it was always Spider Man.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just always liked
Speaker 6: Spider Man mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And it was right even like as I got older.
Speaker 2: Looking back now, it's like, out of all the the
Speaker 2: horror people, you know, the horror vielains, Freddy Krueger is
Speaker 2: honestly the most supernatural and almost like demonic and you know,
Speaker 2: and real because you think about it. You know, you
Speaker 2: got the whole incubus and sucubists and night terrors and
Speaker 2: the lucid dreams and all that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 2: the whole Alister Crowley and all those guys talking about Loosh.
Speaker 2: How these demonic entities and stuff feed off of your fear.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what Freddie was. And I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Once I started studying that stuff and looking back, I
Speaker 2: was like, man, that's exactly what Freddy was. He was
Speaker 2: a Loosh monster. And even Disney played off of that
Speaker 2: with that movie Monsters.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well that was the problem I found with the
Speaker 5: remake of Night Aroure on Elm Street one. Well, first off,
Speaker 5: it was just terribly done and terribly acted, but they
Speaker 5: really they really leaned in because I was in the Originals,
Speaker 5: it was always insinuated that, you know, he was a
Speaker 5: bit of a pedophile. But they're really leaned into it
Speaker 5: in that remake, one, which to me just sort of
Speaker 5: sort of ruined it because even though even though it's
Speaker 5: insinuated in the Originals, you're still you're still kind of
Speaker 5: root for him, even though he's the bad guy, if
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Yeah, that makes any sense.
Speaker 5: And the ruined.
Speaker 7: It root for the fildum.
Speaker 6: Oh the fox.
Speaker 1: Oh can you hear me?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: Uh, well, we lose connection ship.
Speaker 7: M h h kah liam h.
Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to the Spooky Shed. I am your host.
Speaker 2: I will be taken over from here.
Speaker 1: Go get a laugh out of this when you rewatch
Speaker 1: this and go to edit it. M No, I'm a capricorn.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: I like long walks on the beach.
Speaker 2: I don't like to go barefooted, though I'm kind of
Speaker 2: self conscious about being barefitted.
Speaker 1: I like to have my socks on.
Speaker 2: I'm looking for love and all the wrong places, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm looking for missus right, and she's got
Speaker 2: to be a little on the fringy side. Uh, I
Speaker 2: can't be Missus uptight. You know, she's got to be
Speaker 2: Missus laid back and uh you know I've had enough
Speaker 2: Missus wrongs. So it's I'm gonna take my time and
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna settle this go around. You know what
Speaker 2: they say, there are times of charm, right, you better
Speaker 2: not use any of this stuff for reals.
Speaker 7: Bad h there you are.
Speaker 5: Well, that was extremely annoying. I don't know what happened there.
Speaker 5: That has never happened before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you froze up and then you just kind of left.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get.
Speaker 6: Some yeah laugh h yeah, no, definitely.
Speaker 2: Sitting here, I was like, well, I'm the host of
Speaker 2: the Spooky Shed podcast and uh now I'm going to
Speaker 2: take over from here. And I was like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: such and such years old. I'm a Capricorn looking for
Speaker 2: love and all the wrong places. I like a long
Speaker 2: walks on the beach, but I prefer socks on. I'm
Speaker 2: looking for Missus right now, you know, third times of charms?
Speaker 2: What I hear just being our celi and stuff. And
Speaker 2: I was like, Liam, youre not using this ship on reels?
Speaker 6: Well I do?
Speaker 5: I Well, I have just started to do that that
Speaker 5: that one might after make an appearance now, But yeah,
Speaker 5: I honestly I've got no idea what happened now that
Speaker 5: has never happened before there, So that there's our first
Speaker 5: bit of technical difficulties in the shed.
Speaker 6: We'll say, I can't remember what we were talking about.
Speaker 5: But I also forgot off mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That was when you said that you hated how they
Speaker 2: do it out that he was a pedophile, that it
Speaker 2: it kind of killed it for you, that you couldn't
Speaker 2: root for the villain anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well it did, to be fair, just it
Speaker 5: just sort of killed it for me. But I said,
Speaker 5: I completely forgot how we start these episodes off.
Speaker 6: Now I'm a complete idiot.
Speaker 5: So we'll do this now and then I'll have to
Speaker 5: put this at the beginning even more fun to edit.
Speaker 2: Well, it's still justortant, so we can just pick up
Speaker 2: well we left off and you can just cut it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I said, I'll just I'll do this a little
Speaker 5: bit now and then I'll just have to move it
Speaker 5: around in the edit, because like this is usually usually
Speaker 5: usually how well start things off.
Speaker 6: So justin with our guests.
Speaker 5: Now what we do is we get we ask all
Speaker 5: our guests now to leave something in the shed with us.
Speaker 5: So it can be anything place a person feeling. Thing
Speaker 5: could be anything. So what would you like to leave
Speaker 5: in the shed with us?
Speaker 7: I will leave.
Speaker 1: Can Can you leave advice?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's been done before.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll leave some old main advice o QP. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's some of the best advice I ever got. But
Speaker 2: unfortunately I got it really late in my life, so
Speaker 2: it didn't really help me as much as it could have.
Speaker 2: And that OQP means only quality people. So you know
Speaker 2: you are who you surround yourself with, So surround yourself
Speaker 2: with the only quality people. If you are the smartest,
Speaker 2: if you are the most handsome or the prettiest, if
Speaker 2: you're a lady, if you're the smartest, well, whatever the
Speaker 2: ist you want to put to it. If you are
Speaker 2: that person in your friend's circle, then you need a
Speaker 2: new friend circle or you need to expand that friend circle.
Speaker 2: Because us as humans, if we are not moving forward,
Speaker 2: we are moving backwards. We always need to have something
Speaker 2: to chase and go after and strive to be better.
Speaker 2: Even if you are an eagle, if you run around
Speaker 2: with a bunch of turkeys. Eventually you're going to forget
Speaker 2: how to fly and you're gonna start clucking baby. Only
Speaker 2: quality people.
Speaker 5: No, I like that, that's actually really good advice. I
Speaker 5: want to check down on board myself. Actually right then,
Speaker 5: so I'll put that in there, right, So where do
Speaker 5: we go from there? And so we're talking about Freddy
Speaker 5: Krueger and stuff, weren't we.
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Right, there we go? Then there we go.
Speaker 5: So once you've started looking more into the weirder things
Speaker 5: of this world that we live in, have you had
Speaker 5: any strange experiences since you've started looking more into things?
Speaker 6: Because me and a friend of mine.
Speaker 5: Who has a podcast as well, we sort of say that,
Speaker 5: especially with the paranormal, when you when you look, when
Speaker 5: you look into it, it looks back at you. So
Speaker 5: I think the more you look into things, the more
Speaker 5: you start to notice and experience things.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, especially if you are a Christian and you're
Speaker 2: like talking about this stuff and you're exposing you know,
Speaker 2: the deeds of darkness. There's definitely some spiritual warfare attached
Speaker 2: to it. When I first started, and I was you know,
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I've been accused of being a debbie the downer. Uh,
Speaker 2: because I'm that guy that I always plan for the worst,
Speaker 2: but I hope for the best, you know, that way.
Speaker 2: I've never let down or surprised and so but I
Speaker 2: tell those people when they say that to me, I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm Reggie the realist, and I'm always being kind of
Speaker 2: like a you know, a logical person, you know, fact based,
Speaker 2: you know, take my emotions out, what are the facts,
Speaker 2: Show me the facts. So I think that kind of
Speaker 2: hinders my ability for supernatural type things. I think that
Speaker 2: mindset kind of hinders it. And even as a kid,
Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated with it, and I you know,
Speaker 2: purposefully seeked these experiences. I've went to these haunted houses
Speaker 2: and played with weedy boards and tearror cards and done
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and I've never really had like like
Speaker 2: a real experience. I've had little moments, you know, where
Speaker 2: a candle blew out, you know, doing a seance or something,
Speaker 2: or think I hear something, but they just been little
Speaker 2: subtleties to where someone could easily argue or you tell yourself,
Speaker 2: you know that was the wind, or that was this,
Speaker 2: or that never had like a full long experience like that.
Speaker 2: But once I started doing the podcast and stuff, I
Speaker 2: actually had a visit like a night terror like sleep
Speaker 2: paralyss event, and it was I actually got a visit
Speaker 2: from the demon Lilith. And I had no idea who
Speaker 2: she was, so I had no preconceived notion of who
Speaker 2: she was or anything. But I had a dream and
Speaker 2: it was the first time I'd ever experienced sleep paralysis,
Speaker 2: you know, and I couldn't move. I was, you know,
Speaker 2: limped from like the neck down, couldn't even move, it's paralyzed.
Speaker 2: And in this dream, I was driving down the road
Speaker 2: with my family and had to wife and kids in
Speaker 2: the car, and there was a like a buzzard in
Speaker 2: the road eating them like a dead deer. And so
Speaker 2: I stopped the vehicle because I didn't want to run
Speaker 2: it over, and I just honked the horn to try
Speaker 2: to scare it off. Well instead of jumping up and
Speaker 2: flying away, this thing starts standing up and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, five foot four or five foot five, black,
Speaker 2: got black feathers on it, and it's kind of got
Speaker 2: like a like a purple shimmer to the edge of
Speaker 2: the te ups, you know, and it's kind of just
Speaker 2: shimmering in the headlights of the truck because it's not
Speaker 2: time in the dream. And then it starts to turn
Speaker 2: around and it's a fully naked woman in the front.
Speaker 2: It was blond hair, but it had a it was weird.
Speaker 2: It had a beak for a mouth and had blond hair,
Speaker 2: and it just looks right at us, and everybody in
Speaker 2: the car starts screaming and freaking out, and.
Speaker 1: Then it just flies up into the air and I'm like, guys,
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's gone. It's gone. We're safe.
Speaker 2: And then about that time, it just it lands like
Speaker 2: right next to the car and it opens the truck door.
Speaker 2: And at that point is like when I'm frozen. I
Speaker 2: can't move, and I'm looking over with my head and
Speaker 2: I'm seeing everybody and it's like they're you know, like
Speaker 2: the Saved by the Bell shows when Zach would time out.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody's just froze and time. And she leans
Speaker 2: in and she just starts rubbing inside of my thigh
Speaker 2: and touching my private parts and rubbing my chest, and
Speaker 2: taking her beak and rubbing my neck and then sticking
Speaker 2: her tongue out and rubbing my neck and my ear
Speaker 2: just I mean sexually, just assaulting me and just having
Speaker 2: her away with me. And this dream was so real.
Speaker 2: I could feel every touch, I could feel her wet
Speaker 2: tongue on my neck, I mean everything, and I was
Speaker 2: just powerless, helpless, couldn't move. And I was always a
Speaker 2: very lucid dreamer, even as a kid. If I was
Speaker 2: in a dream, I could tell myself, hey, this is
Speaker 2: a dream. Wake up, and I could, I mean, on
Speaker 2: a dime, make myself wake up every time without without fail.
Speaker 2: And I started telling myself, I'm like, this is a dream,
Speaker 2: this is a dream, wake up, wake up, and I
Speaker 2: remember my eyes started fluttering open and I started seeing
Speaker 2: my bedroom.
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, I'm waking up.
Speaker 2: And it was just like something grabbed me and pulled
Speaker 2: me right back in and boom, I was back in
Speaker 2: the dream full fledged. And I kept trying to tell myself,
Speaker 2: wake up, wake up, and it's just like something was
Speaker 2: keeping me from leaving the dream. It's the best way
Speaker 2: I can describe it. And still couldn't move. And then
Speaker 2: all this this went on. It seemed like forever, but
Speaker 2: it was just a few moments. And then she leans
Speaker 2: into my ear and she says, and she whispers this
Speaker 2: just like so seductively, and she says.
Speaker 1: I've missed you. It's yeah.
Speaker 2: And about this time, I started getting feeling in my
Speaker 2: fingers and stuff, and the only thing I thought to
Speaker 2: do was to grab the truck door and just slam
Speaker 2: her in the truck door.
Speaker 1: And so I did.
Speaker 2: I slammed her in the truck door, and she just
Speaker 2: lets out this gut wrenching scream or screech, and she
Speaker 2: flies up into the air. As soon as she flies
Speaker 2: into the air and kind of gets just a little
Speaker 2: bit of distance away from me, I can instantly wake up.
Speaker 2: And I woke up, and I was hyperventilating, freaking out
Speaker 2: porn sweat, and woke the wife up and immediately just
Speaker 2: like started telling her about it. And she was one
Speaker 2: of those type people. She had seen shadow entity, she
Speaker 2: had been to Haiti and been hex by witch doctors
Speaker 2: and been strangled by some of these night terrors, you know,
Speaker 2: at night, and she's had a lot of supernatural experiences.
Speaker 1: And she was one of.
Speaker 2: Those people that believed dreams for prophetic and wrote them
Speaker 2: all down and all that kind of stuff. So when
Speaker 2: I was telling her about it, she was like looking
Speaker 2: up online what all this stuff means. And immediately I
Speaker 2: pulled out my phone and I'm like half bird, half woman,
Speaker 2: you know, in your dreams and all this stuff. And
Speaker 2: it was like the second picture that popped up, I
Speaker 2: mean it was her, and I'm like, that's her, and
Speaker 2: I clicked it and it was like, this is Lilith.
Speaker 2: And I got to reading about her and stuff, and
Speaker 2: like I said, I'd never looked into her.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what she was.
Speaker 2: But everything it talked about, how it described her, the picture,
Speaker 2: everything was spot on. And like I told you, I
Speaker 2: had went through like a rebellious stage. And then that
Speaker 2: rebellious stage, man, it was it was sex, drugs and
Speaker 2: rock and roll. And I was really sexually promiscuous, done
Speaker 2: a lot of drugs, and so it's kind of like
Speaker 2: the Lord told me in prayer, was like, unbeknownst to me,
Speaker 2: that wasn't just a good time. I was in cahoots
Speaker 2: and running with and had formed a spiritual connection with
Speaker 2: this entity because she was you know, her and Anana.
Speaker 2: All these goddesses and stuff, they're synonymous, they're the same.
Speaker 2: And Anana was like the goddess of mindless violence and
Speaker 2: sex and the people would take all these drugs and
Speaker 2: stuff to call her into them and all this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff and to prophesy and have visions and all this.
Speaker 2: So it was kind of like, you know, God was
Speaker 2: showing me, Yeah, during those years, that's who you were
Speaker 2: communing with. And what was crazy is that I should
Speaker 2: have led with this. But I was having some lower
Speaker 2: back pain. I went to the doctor just right before this,
Speaker 2: and the doctor put me on antidepressants and I told him.
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I'm not depressed. I set up
Speaker 1: my back's hurting.
Speaker 2: And he was like, oh, well, these block pain receptors
Speaker 2: and they're not addictive, you know, like narcotics and stuff.
Speaker 1: I think they'll help you.
Speaker 2: And that's when I started having crazy dreams. And that's
Speaker 2: when I had that dream. So I flushed that medication
Speaker 2: down the toilet, and it was like, so where I
Speaker 2: got off the drugs and all that stuff. It's like
Speaker 2: when I finally took some kind of mind altering substance.
Speaker 2: It's like I lowered that Holy Spirit wall and allowed
Speaker 2: her to to get back to me again. Kind of,
Speaker 2: it's the only way I could interpret it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that is that is honestly, that's one of
Speaker 5: the craziest things I've ever heard since we've been doing
Speaker 5: this podcast. Like I was literally on the edge of
Speaker 5: my seat there when you were telling that there. That
Speaker 5: is horrifying, Like I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna
Speaker 5: lie that. If that happened to me, I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think I'd be able to go to sleep again.
Speaker 5: I mean, like say, I mean, I know we were
Speaker 5: talking about Freddy Krueger and stuff, but that's that's that's worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then not only that too, man, uh you know,
Speaker 2: and I could talk about it now because it's been
Speaker 2: about a year, but when I started casting and stuff,
Speaker 2: like I said, I'd been deep dive researching since twenty twelve.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't at work, I mean, of course, I
Speaker 2: mean I spent time with my family and stuff. But
Speaker 2: it's like in my free time, I was listening to
Speaker 2: podcasts or I was reading a book and doing this
Speaker 2: type stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's like, once I.
Speaker 2: Started talking about this stuff, me and my wife started
Speaker 2: having issues at home, and so I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: this has to be it because we never had issues,
Speaker 2: and push come to shove. It got to the point
Speaker 2: where she basically told me that I was paying too
Speaker 2: much attention to podcasting and to the Bible study, and
Speaker 2: that I was going to quit, that I was going
Speaker 2: to put it all down, or we were going to
Speaker 2: be over.
Speaker 1: And at this point We've.
Speaker 2: Been fighting like cats and dogs for months, and I've
Speaker 2: been threatening to you know, to to leave if we
Speaker 2: didn't get along anyway, So we was already living in
Speaker 2: hell anyway. Yeah, and and honestly, it was just like
Speaker 2: at that point, it was like I'm doing this, you know,
Speaker 2: to try to bring people to Christ and the people
Speaker 2: that are are already with Christ grow their knowledge about
Speaker 2: things and help them, you know, spiritually fight off you know,
Speaker 2: deceptions and things like that. It's like, this is the
Speaker 2: this is something I felt called to do. And I
Speaker 2: never had a purpose or a calling. I've always just
Speaker 2: been that guy that just went to work, page bills,
Speaker 2: come home, and that was it. M and uh So basically, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that this whole thing, like you said, the
Speaker 2: spiritual warfare side of it and the attacks, it's real.
Speaker 1: It cost me my marriage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean like that's that's that's some heavy stuff
Speaker 5: to deal with, what I suppose. I suppose so you
Speaker 5: can look at it on a on a almost a
Speaker 5: brightest side. Like I say, if you feel like you're
Speaker 5: being called to do this and like you said, you're
Speaker 5: getting something out of it, then it's almost I don't
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want to say worth
Speaker 5: it because that's definitely the wrong word. But do you
Speaker 5: know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 5: it's a ship that that's happened. That's that's the way
Speaker 5: it's had to That's the way life had to plan
Speaker 5: out for you. But I mean, like I said, if
Speaker 5: you're want of these people who believes that there's a
Speaker 5: plan for life, then I suppose it's almost easier to
Speaker 5: deal with as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we get along great now, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: we get along great. We talk and do stuff with
Speaker 2: the kids, and I can still go over there and
Speaker 2: visit and we talk and stuff.
Speaker 1: Everything's great. It's weird.
Speaker 2: It's just and that's the only thing I could strike
Speaker 2: it up to. It was just a it was a
Speaker 2: spiritual warfare type thing, and it was like the you know,
Speaker 2: the the devil moving in and was just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna shut this guy up.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean I suppose I suppose at least you've you've
Speaker 5: got a very small silver line in there that you
Speaker 5: know you can still talk and you know, get along
Speaker 5: with each other now, then I mean, it's not like
Speaker 5: ended in you know, you never speak to each.
Speaker 6: Other again and the hell with sort of thing. So,
Speaker 6: I mean, I suppose every cloud has one. Yeah, well
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't even I don't even know where
Speaker 6: to where to take it from there.
Speaker 5: That's it's, it's it's fine.
Speaker 2: I've done lots of shows, man, but I've never I've
Speaker 2: never talked about that. You know, it's being about a
Speaker 2: year now, but it's just I don't know how I
Speaker 2: feel lad to say it now.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I I mean, I I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: I appreciate I appreciate you opening up telling us about that.
Speaker 5: That's that's that's really something. Like I said, it literally
Speaker 5: has knocked me for six I don't where do we
Speaker 5: go from there?
Speaker 6: That's a good idea of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get some naked teams, some caffeine, think it,
Speaker 2: think it through.
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: Wow, damn Well, what am I doing is that? What
Speaker 5: am I doing is because I'm the only thing only
Speaker 5: thing I'm hoping that the first part is saved, because
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the clock here and it says only
Speaker 5: twenty minutes. But we were going for about ten minutes before,
Speaker 5: so I'm hoping that that's just saved.
Speaker 6: There's another file.
Speaker 5: So what I might do now is I might do
Speaker 5: a little break bit and then we'll jump into you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you on the free version or something?
Speaker 1: You all get so many minutes?
Speaker 6: No, No, I'm not in the free version. No, I'm
Speaker 6: fully bloody paid one.
Speaker 1: So that's okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I say, I know, I know before the
Speaker 5: clocks had said at least ten minutes on it, and
Speaker 5: then I just looked down then when we first started
Speaker 5: back again here and it was only in like two minutes.
Speaker 5: So I'm just hoping to God that first ten minutes
Speaker 5: is just it's just saved somewhere.
Speaker 6: I'm hoping to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll be a separate Yours will be
Speaker 2: a separate file like when you pull out, because I
Speaker 2: use riverside. When you pull out, yours will be in
Speaker 2: two separate files, but mine will be one.
Speaker 5: Right, fair enough, fair enough, Well let's go to know
Speaker 5: that I'm still I'm still very much getting used to
Speaker 5: you as in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I love this one. This is my favorite,
Speaker 1: hands down.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, tools, Yeah, I've used zoom
Speaker 5: and stuff before, and I hear zoom zoom is awful.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 6: I said, the stuff you can do on it is
Speaker 6: just crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I hope they get the live stuff kind of
Speaker 2: tweaked out and get it a little better. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 2: then this this app will be perfect.
Speaker 1: If they can get it.
Speaker 2: To where you can do a little bit more dynamic
Speaker 2: stuff with the live this thing will be amazing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that that that's something well, that's something I
Speaker 5: will I want to do at some point.
Speaker 6: Definitely is like live stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do lives on here, but you just
Speaker 2: can't do all the stuff that you can do like
Speaker 2: with some of the other platforms.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well hopefully they'll get that started.
Speaker 5: Right Well, so, well, I'll put my little break bit
Speaker 5: in here so I know where to put them ads
Speaker 5: in and what have you. Right on that note, guys,
Speaker 5: then we're going to take a quick break, so we
Speaker 5: shall be back after this.
Speaker 6: Haven't I forgot this? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I actually was supposed to talk to a guy from
Speaker 2: your area because you're the UK right. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was supposed to talk to Andrew Collins today man,
Speaker 2: and he uh uh he stiffed me. Man, No, I
Speaker 2: didn't like but yeah, yeah, he's a pretty big name author.
Speaker 2: He's been on History Channel and Guy at TV and
Speaker 2: Rode all kinds of books. But yeah, uh he's uh.
Speaker 2: I just talked to him to email just a couple
Speaker 2: of days ago. He's like, yeah, I got you in
Speaker 2: the calendar, man, no showed on me. I was like,
Speaker 2: youang it, looking forward to it?
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: That's a bit ship that, yeah, mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: It happens, though, I suppose I mean, well, I mean
Speaker 5: luckily it hasn't happened to us yet, but I'm surmising
Speaker 5: it will do at some point.
Speaker 6: But one of them things you've got to move on, right.
Speaker 5: Right then, guys, welcome back to the Spooky Shed Podcast.
Speaker 6: Of course, I'm still here with Justin.
Speaker 5: So Justin, shall we dive into your book, my friend,
Speaker 5: so the Epic of Esau.
Speaker 6: I'm still saying that correct, Yes, sir, fire Bro, I'm
Speaker 6: getting there. I'm getting there. So how should we do
Speaker 6: with this?
Speaker 5: So? Do you want to give us like a brief
Speaker 5: brief synopsis of what the book is about, and you
Speaker 5: know where the inspiration come from when he started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this was my first ever book. And like
Speaker 2: I said, you know, I was a factory rat nine
Speaker 2: to five guy.
Speaker 1: I never never, never, never.
Speaker 2: Thought that I'd be writing a book ever, But here
Speaker 2: we are. But I designed it myself. I wrote it myself,
Speaker 2: no fancy editors and stuff. So you know, there's probably
Speaker 2: plenty of typos in here. I found a few myself,
Speaker 2: even though I proof read the thing like three four times.
Speaker 2: But once you have it in your hand you start reading,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh man, how did I miss that? But
Speaker 2: if you can get past typos, if you're not a
Speaker 2: you know, like a grammar nazi man, the book's are
Speaker 2: great read and lots of good theological nuggets in here.
Speaker 2: But I designed the cover and everything. So if you
Speaker 2: go on Amazon and look look for this big Harry
Speaker 2: yoke guy with a bow on his back, it says
Speaker 2: that the epic of he saw the Seed War or
Speaker 2: the birthright in Seed War. And for the listeners, it's
Speaker 2: got the famous red bull of stew on a table
Speaker 2: with him with his back turned to it walking away.
Speaker 2: But the back like the synopsis or whatever, on the
Speaker 2: back of it. You know, it says Esau is one
Speaker 2: of the most enigmatic characters in the Bible. His birth
Speaker 2: alone is strange, to say the least. He came out red,
Speaker 2: covered in hair from head to toe like a Harry Cloak.
Speaker 2: What if I told you there is much more to
Speaker 2: this guy's story, but has been lost to us throughout
Speaker 2: the ages that his story is scattered in pieces throughout
Speaker 2: other ancient extra biblical books. This is a story of
Speaker 2: what we would call today a bigfoot. This story goes
Speaker 2: back to the Garden of Eden, a serpent, supernatural garments,
Speaker 2: and a birthright. This tale reveals Esau's connection to the
Speaker 2: Nephelim giants and his genealogy's role in the end times.
Speaker 2: Welcome to an epic journey. This is the epic of Esau.
Speaker 2: And honestly, this is a you know, it's about two
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy pages, so it's it's not too intimidating.
Speaker 2: It's fifteen chapters, and it all honestly started. This journey
Speaker 2: of writing this book started with a caddy joke. Some
Speaker 2: people call what I'm about to talk about the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2: You know, Christian's call it the Holy Spirit. The Greeks
Speaker 2: of ancient times, they called it the muse. You know,
Speaker 2: it's just this sudden burst of inspiration or something just
Speaker 2: comes to you out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: That that's what happened.
Speaker 2: I was on my show with that that I do
Speaker 2: with my friends, the dig Bible podcast, and we had
Speaker 2: Trey Smith from God in a Nutshell on, and he
Speaker 2: was one of the guys that read peeled me.
Speaker 1: You know, that introduced me to all this stuff.
Speaker 2: So I was, you know, beside myself to have him
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 1: But he made a comment and he was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: you guys.
Speaker 2: Are from East Tennessee. That's Bigfoot country. Next time i'm
Speaker 2: down that way, I'll give you guys a call and
Speaker 2: we'll go bigfoot hunting. He said, maybe we'll record it
Speaker 2: and do a documentary. That would be fun.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, man, come on down.
Speaker 2: And then just out of nowhere, man, Genesis twenty five
Speaker 2: twenty five popped into my head. And for those that's
Speaker 2: not familiar, that's the verse that talks about the birth
Speaker 2: of Esau and it says the first one came out red,
Speaker 2: covered in hair from head to toe like a Harry Cloak.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, tray, what about Esau? I said,
Speaker 2: do you think maybe he would have been technically like
Speaker 2: the first documented bigfoot or like the first bigfoot seed?
Speaker 2: And he kind of chuckled and he said, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He said, you may be onto something. He said he
Speaker 2: was definitely a har you do, that's for sure. And
Speaker 2: then I got to thinking about it, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I've read that and heard that story my whole life,
Speaker 2: and like I had said that earlier at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the show, I had asked about that because I
Speaker 2: thought it was strange as a kid the first time
Speaker 2: i'd heard it. But I was just told, oh, you
Speaker 2: know your uncle. Everybody's got that Harry backed uncle, that's
Speaker 2: what that is. Or he just had a good beard,
Speaker 2: you know. That was kind of hyperbole or exaggeration. He
Speaker 2: wasn't literally covered in hair from head to toe.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then I was like, no, man, I mean that's
Speaker 2: what the Bible says. I mean, if you take it
Speaker 2: for what it says, that's what it says. And I
Speaker 2: just kind of let it go. And honestly, it was
Speaker 2: like the next week I had Gary Wayne on the
Speaker 2: show and we were talking about the epic of Gilgamesh,
Speaker 2: but I had him. It was on my other show,
Speaker 2: The Prometheus Lens, and I was reading through it, and
Speaker 2: this was one of those stories that I was familiar with,
Speaker 2: but I'd never sit down and just actually read.
Speaker 1: The story all the way through.
Speaker 2: So I was sitting and reading it all the way through,
Speaker 2: and I bump into this guy named Inky Doo, and
Speaker 2: just like Esau, he was covered in hair from head
Speaker 2: to toe, and he was a mighty hunter of the field,
Speaker 2: just like Esau. And I was like, dude, here's another
Speaker 2: one of these Harry dudes. It sounds like a sasquatch,
Speaker 2: and he was a wild man of the field, a
Speaker 2: mighty hunter, just like Esau. And I was like, I
Speaker 2: keep bumping into these guys.
Speaker 1: And then it was.
Speaker 2: Literally like the next week or maybe the week after that,
Speaker 2: I had another show that had a guest on and
Speaker 2: we were going through the Book of Jasher and that's
Speaker 2: an extra biblical book that's mentioned in the Old Testament
Speaker 2: two or three times, and in there got your reading,
Speaker 2: it says that Nimrod had built up jealousy and contentment
Speaker 2: against Esau all of his days, and both of them
Speaker 2: were known as the mighty Hunter. So it was kind
Speaker 2: of like a Highlanders scenario, you know that there can
Speaker 2: only be one baby. Yeah, And it says that Nimrod
Speaker 2: goes out with a group of men and goes to
Speaker 2: hunt this hiiry quote unquote man down to kill him
Speaker 2: like a beast, hunting him down like a beast. And
Speaker 2: it says that that Nimrod, you know, and we hear
Speaker 2: in the Bible that Nimrod was described as a giant,
Speaker 2: and it says in Genesis that he wasn't born a
Speaker 2: gibble reim, but he became a gibblerim, And that word
Speaker 2: gibriim is Hebrew, and that's the same word used to
Speaker 2: describe the Nephelum giants in the Old Testament. And so
Speaker 2: it says that Nimrod and two of him is Giborim,
Speaker 2: go out after Esau, and that Esau was out in
Speaker 2: the field and sees them, but he hides hisself and
Speaker 2: that he jumps out by surprise and he cuts off
Speaker 2: Nimrod's head with the sword and then fights the other
Speaker 2: two Gibareim and kills them. So he kills, you know,
Speaker 2: not one, not two, but three giants single handedly in combat.
Speaker 2: And it says that he takes the time to steal
Speaker 2: Nimrod's garments, and it says that these garments were the
Speaker 2: reason that Nimrod was able to prevail over all the
Speaker 2: nations and conquer all the lands, and that he rushes
Speaker 2: back home, hides the garments, and then he goes into
Speaker 2: his brother's tent and there his brother Jacob is preparing
Speaker 2: the red lentineal snow. And so I was like, man,
Speaker 2: that answers a lot of questions that Genesis kind of
Speaker 2: just left open ended, because the Book of Genesis that's
Speaker 2: in our Bible, when you get to that trading of
Speaker 2: the birthright, all it says is that, you know, one
Speaker 2: day he saw the mighty Hunter comes in from the
Speaker 2: field exhausted, and that his brother was preparing stew, and
Speaker 2: that he asks his brother for some of the stew,
Speaker 2: and Jacob says, yeah, sure, you can have some of
Speaker 2: the stew, but trade me your birthright. And he says,
Speaker 2: what use is a birthright to me when I'm dead?
Speaker 2: Take it, eats the stew, trades his birthright and leaves,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, even as a kid,
Speaker 2: I was like, that makes absolutely no sense to me,
Speaker 2: because the birth right is basically the inheritance. You know,
Speaker 2: you're the eldest son. You were gonna get the lands,
Speaker 2: you were gonna get all the animals and the money.
Speaker 2: Everything was coming to you. And you're supposed to be
Speaker 2: the mighty hunter and you are coming in from the
Speaker 2: field starving that you know what I mean? That from
Speaker 2: number one, that don't make any sense whatsoever if you're
Speaker 2: the mighty hunter. I mean, you could have had lion
Speaker 2: steak for dinner. You wouldn't have been starving. And then
Speaker 2: number two, you're not going to trade your inheritance, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're Donald Trump's son about to inherit billions of
Speaker 2: dollars in the family business to your younger brother for
Speaker 2: a bag of Dorito's man. But when you tie in
Speaker 2: this book of joshure Man, that makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 2: That he just fought and killed the king, so he's
Speaker 2: afraid for his life. He's on the run and killed
Speaker 2: three giants. So in this fight you can safely assume
Speaker 2: that he sustained some life threatening injuries and he was
Speaker 2: afraid he was on the run from killing the king,
Speaker 2: probably you know, walking in with slashes on his gut
Speaker 2: and stab wounds and bleeding out and rushed into his
Speaker 2: brother's tent and looking over his shoulder, thinking the King's
Speaker 2: the King's army was after him, and he was probably,
Speaker 2: you know, begging his brother to.
Speaker 1: Save his life.
Speaker 2: So the soup, you know this, you know, the sustenance,
Speaker 2: the life saving thing, it was probably like a like
Speaker 2: an allegorical thing, you know for basically sew me up,
Speaker 2: bandage me, stop the bleeding, give me medicine, give me nourishment,
Speaker 2: hide me. And that makes a lot more sense to
Speaker 2: why he said, you know what us is a birthright
Speaker 2: to me when I'm dead.
Speaker 7: Take it.
Speaker 2: And even Jacob's urgency in that story, if you go
Speaker 2: back and you read that, Jacob ain't just willy nilly.
Speaker 2: Jacob's like, no, promise me that you will do this thing. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: promise me, now promise me now. Oh So it's like
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of urgency in there that we
Speaker 2: don't pick up on. So just finding this stuff, man,
Speaker 2: I was like, if I'm finding this stuff just on accident,
Speaker 2: if I actually look with intention, I'm sure I'm going
Speaker 2: to find some a lot of missing pieces to this guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, definitely, I think I think, well, like I said,
Speaker 5: I mean, you've already proved that if you go looking
Speaker 5: for answers, will say, you're going to find them, because
Speaker 5: they said, there's just from what you've told me that
Speaker 5: there's a lot of things that don't make sense.
Speaker 1: M definitely very and very odd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because honestly, if you think about it, the Bible,
Speaker 2: you know, was written thousands of years ago. They were
Speaker 2: writing it to the people of that time. They wasn't
Speaker 2: thinking of us two three thousand years later reading this
Speaker 2: book and us not understanding you know, the culture and
Speaker 2: the history and the things that were going on of
Speaker 2: that time and the.
Speaker 1: Lingo.
Speaker 2: How we have words and slangs and coins of phrases
Speaker 2: today that thousands of years later people are not going
Speaker 2: to know where I understand the context of it. So
Speaker 2: they wasn't that forward thinking. And also they didn't have
Speaker 2: a Bible back then. They had all these scrolls that
Speaker 2: were circulating. They had the Book of Jashure, they had Enoch, Jubileese,
Speaker 2: just all these different scrolls, and they also had oral traditions,
Speaker 2: stories that were passed throughout the generations. That was you know,
Speaker 2: mandatory for every family to know it and tell to
Speaker 2: their children. So the writers of the Book of Genesis
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, we don't need to theoretically
Speaker 2: beat a dead horse here. There's already the Book of Jasher.
Speaker 2: There's already you know, this scroll, this scroll circulating. There's
Speaker 2: already this oral tradition and story. Everybody knows about Nimrod
Speaker 2: and Esau and all this stuff. I don't have to
Speaker 2: put that in here. Everybody knows that already. And then
Speaker 2: same thing with Genesis six. When you get the Genesis six,
Speaker 2: you get this little blurb you know, there were giants
Speaker 2: on the earth in those days, and also afterward, boom
Speaker 2: and it's done. And us today is like, whoa man,
Speaker 2: that seems pretty weird. I want to know more about that.
Speaker 2: Give me some more context. Same thing, it's like, we
Speaker 2: got the Book of Enoch. Everybody knows about the giants,
Speaker 2: how the angels came down, bred with men and gave
Speaker 2: them knowledge.
Speaker 1: We don't need to, you know, rehash that. Everybody knows. No,
Speaker 1: we didn't.
Speaker 2: And he comes to Catholic Church and puts together this Bible,
Speaker 2: and some of those scrolls and stories didn't make it
Speaker 2: into it. So when we read the stuff that did
Speaker 2: make it in there, they're alluding to and talking about
Speaker 2: things very vaguely that we don't know because those other
Speaker 2: scrolls are the missing pieces to that person.
Speaker 5: It's I always find it really interesting, like I said,
Speaker 5: with religious texts and stuff, because they're so old.
Speaker 6: I almost like to.
Speaker 5: Almost almost play Devil's advocate, and like I wonder how
Speaker 5: much has been lost and how much of it that
Speaker 5: remains is almost lost in translation, if you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, Like I have often wonder, like you know,
Speaker 5: is that is that?
Speaker 6: What is that? What they we're trying to say?
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't I can't think of an example
Speaker 5: off the top of my head because I'm not very
Speaker 5: cleared up with religious text I must admit it's something
Speaker 5: that always fascinates me. And it's a lot of conversations
Speaker 5: with people at work because I work with quite a
Speaker 5: few people who are who are religious, and because well
Speaker 5: I'm not if that's not obvious, and it always really
Speaker 5: interests me just how much of it is the same
Speaker 5: as how much how much how much it's changed over
Speaker 5: like you said, those thousands of years obviously, because like
Speaker 5: I say, obviously, when when it was first written, it
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been in English or whatever. Languages as we
Speaker 5: know today, it could be in any do you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And see that's why it's too It's important, like
Speaker 2: because with all the advancements we got today, you don't
Speaker 2: have to know all these other languages to look at
Speaker 2: the originals, you know, like logos Bible software. I love
Speaker 2: that thing. If any of your listeners, you know, are
Speaker 2: Christians and they like looking at the Bible and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, go get that app. You can get it
Speaker 2: on your phone, on your computer, your tablet, whatever.
Speaker 1: It's free.
Speaker 2: But they got book packages and stuff you can buy
Speaker 2: in there, of course, but they have innerlinears and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. So but basically, like what an inner linear
Speaker 2: is is the Old Testament, you know, was written in Hebrew.
Speaker 2: So they'll have the Hebrew all written out, and then
Speaker 2: underneath it they'll have the English translation yea. But then
Speaker 2: you can go and you can highlight that word in
Speaker 2: Hebrew and then you can do like word searches and
Speaker 2: show every time that word is used in the text
Speaker 2: and how many times it was translated to English as
Speaker 2: this word and because you know, you could have one
Speaker 2: Hebrew word translated into four or five different English words, right,
Speaker 2: so you can look at the comparisons and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: this one Hebrew word has four English translations, so you
Speaker 2: can insert and figure out the context and kind of
Speaker 2: compare and do that, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: And look at that.
Speaker 2: And you can do the same thing with the New
Speaker 2: Testament because it was written in Greek, so you can
Speaker 2: look at the Greek side by side with the English.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, but going through those and just finding
Speaker 2: those different books, and what I'd done was like you said,
Speaker 2: when you read that, some of those stories just sound
Speaker 2: kind of crazy and outlandish, and when you try to
Speaker 2: put them beside like the Bible. I tried to use
Speaker 2: the Bible as like the like the goide stone or anchor.
Speaker 2: So it's like this, if this scroll or text was
Speaker 2: saying this, this and this about this event and it's
Speaker 2: in the Bible, I would compare.
Speaker 1: It to it.
Speaker 2: And if it contradicted it or it was totally different,
Speaker 2: then I was like, Okay, I'm not going with that.
Speaker 2: But if it like run parallel with it but added
Speaker 2: extra context or through in missing pieces, I ran with it.
Speaker 2: And so when I went through all those different extra
Speaker 2: biblical books and things like that, I did man as
Speaker 2: I went through and separated, you know, the meat from
Speaker 2: the bone. I put together a complete, flowing narrative of
Speaker 2: this guy named Esau that stitches perfectly into the Biblical
Speaker 2: narrative and answers so many ambiguous things. That's in the
Speaker 2: sixty six book Cannon. It was amazing. Then I discovered
Speaker 2: Lewis Ginsburg. He wrote a seven book series called Legends
Speaker 2: of the Jews, and he went through and gathered all
Speaker 2: their oral traditions and all their legends and stuff involving
Speaker 2: the people of the Bible and wrote them all down.
Speaker 2: So it was really cool to take those and add
Speaker 2: those in uh to the narrative. And I even talk
Speaker 2: about in the book. I'm like, you know, this, this
Speaker 2: was their legends and their lore doesn't necessarily make it factual,
Speaker 2: but hey, this is what they believed, and this is
Speaker 2: what the stories and word of mouth that was traveling
Speaker 2: around at that time. And so maybe you can see
Speaker 2: why you find in this scroll or in the Book
Speaker 2: of Genesis or whatever that it said x y Z,
Speaker 2: because this was a legend or a lore that was
Speaker 2: traveling around at that time. So that's why it kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, influenced their thoughts and how they thought about
Speaker 2: things and also influenced their writing.
Speaker 5: Again, it's just it's what you're telling me. No, was
Speaker 5: just really really interesting. And the first thing I'm thinking
Speaker 5: this here is how long is how how long has
Speaker 5: it took you to do this? To write the book
Speaker 5: and do all the research? Right, because you said obviously
Speaker 5: you've mentioned earlier, you know you work a full time
Speaker 5: job as well. How have you how have you found
Speaker 5: the time to do this? Like to me, this this
Speaker 5: sounds like years of worth of research.
Speaker 2: M h yeah, it took two years. M yeah, two years.
Speaker 2: But at the same time it was where I got
Speaker 2: two podcasts too. Yeah, And it's kind of are all
Speaker 2: around the same subject matter. So it was like in
Speaker 2: my free time that I had to read and stuff
Speaker 2: and study. I was really deep diving into this one subject.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, a lot of the subjects
Speaker 2: that I was talking about on the podcasts and shows
Speaker 2: was kind of interweaving and around, you know, this same
Speaker 2: topic or subject, so I kind of got to like
Speaker 2: cross pollinate a lot. So like I'd have a guest
Speaker 2: on and they wrote a book on the Nephlum giants,
Speaker 2: you know, I talked to them. I kind of got
Speaker 2: to pick their brain, you know, like, hey, what do
Speaker 2: you think about this or that? You know what what
Speaker 2: book or you know, person, would you recommend for me
Speaker 2: to find this or that? And you know, pick their
Speaker 2: brain and so it was pretty cool. So I kind
Speaker 2: of had like some some good little help and cheats
Speaker 2: along the way.
Speaker 5: But that's that's just I mean, that's that's the beauty
Speaker 5: of podcasting. I think, you know, like just doing your
Speaker 5: podcasters helped you do research for your own book.
Speaker 6: It's like that's the best part about it, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm all about two first, mm hmm.
Speaker 5: You mentioned they're the Netflin giants. I've heard a lot
Speaker 5: about them. I don't know, a great deal. It's something
Speaker 5: that I wanted to look into a bit more. Can
Speaker 5: you tell us a bit about them?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, the Nephlom giants. That is one of those things,
Speaker 2: uh that I truly don't think is legend or lord.
Speaker 2: I think it is fact. When you find the same
Speaker 2: story throughout every single culture of the world, every single religion,
Speaker 2: every single people group, every single time frame of the
Speaker 2: world has the same exact story. It's just maybe a
Speaker 2: little different caveats to it. That tells me that there's
Speaker 2: that there's something to it. You know, I'm not a
Speaker 2: coincidence theorist. So you know, when you take the biblical narrative,
Speaker 2: when you get the Genesis six, it says that the
Speaker 2: sons of God in Hebrew, that's you know, benaha Elohem.
Speaker 2: Every time that that phrase is used, it's talking about divine,
Speaker 2: heavenly beings. And it says that the sons of God
Speaker 2: came down and bred with the daughters of men and
Speaker 2: created nephlum giants.
Speaker 1: And it says, you know that the.
Speaker 2: Giants were on the earth in those days before and
Speaker 2: after talking about the flood, and it says these were
Speaker 2: the mighty men of old, the men of renown. And
Speaker 2: when you get into the book of Enoch, it says
Speaker 2: that these angels, these fallen angels, they some texts called
Speaker 2: them the watchers. They came down and lusted after the
Speaker 2: women and took wives and bred with them, and the
Speaker 2: children were the nephilum. But on top of that, they
Speaker 2: gave humanity like forbidden knowledge, and they taught them the
Speaker 2: art of metalworking, witchcraft, cutting of enchantments, astrology, reading of
Speaker 2: the stars. That there's a whole list of things, even
Speaker 2: down to abortion, the art of war, all these things
Speaker 2: that corrupted humanity, and it says that it corrupted them
Speaker 2: so bad that that's why God had to bring the flood,
Speaker 2: and it said that done it so bad, and that
Speaker 2: the DNA pool was corrupted so bad that Noah and
Speaker 2: his family were the only pure bred humans left. And
Speaker 2: you don't get that unless you get into the original languages.
Speaker 2: It was like growing up in church, I was just
Speaker 2: told that, oh, well, the sons of God were the
Speaker 2: righteous line of Seth, that these were the good, morally
Speaker 2: pure line of people intermixed with the ungodly wicked dollars
Speaker 2: of Cain. And when they got together, they made spiritually
Speaker 2: wicked people, and those spiritually wicked people became the kings
Speaker 2: and the rulers of the world, and they corrupted the earth.
Speaker 2: That they were the Nephilum. But when you read about
Speaker 2: the Nephilum, you know they were giants. They you know,
Speaker 2: some of them were described in certain books that they were,
Speaker 2: you know, twenty thirty foot, they were huge, and it
Speaker 2: said that they were cannibals. They ate, they ate human
Speaker 2: flesh and just all the stuff they did. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, one of my buddies made a comment that
Speaker 2: kind of stuck with me. He said, kissing cousins don't
Speaker 2: make thirty footers man, and that that just kind of
Speaker 2: stuck with me. So and then when you go down
Speaker 2: to that thing about no of the you know, being
Speaker 2: the own only you know, pure genealogy humans left, you
Speaker 2: go to the Hebrew because where it says that Noah
Speaker 2: was the only righteous man left, it wasn't talking about
Speaker 2: he was the only you know, sinless man. That word
Speaker 2: righteous in Hebrew is to mim and to mem is
Speaker 2: the same word that is used to describe the purity
Speaker 2: of the blood of the sacrificial animals. So the animals
Speaker 2: that were sacrificed in the Old Testament, they had to
Speaker 2: be to mim, the blood had to be to Meme
Speaker 2: pure right. And so when it was using that terminology
Speaker 2: with Noah, it was associating that word with the sacrificial
Speaker 2: animals and that system. So it was saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: he was the only ones you know, that his bloodline
Speaker 2: was pure because the Nephilum, the fallen angels, had tainted
Speaker 2: the entire world so bad, that's why the flood had
Speaker 2: to come. It was like a great reset, and when
Speaker 2: you go and you look into the other cultures, you
Speaker 2: find it everywhere. Every single culture throughout the world all has.
Speaker 1: A flood story.
Speaker 2: And like when you go to the Greeks, what does
Speaker 2: the Greeks talk about. They talk about a divine council.
Speaker 2: You got Zeus and Poseidon and all this. Well, what
Speaker 2: happens is that their fathers were the original gods. They
Speaker 2: rebelled against them and overthrew them and cast them into Tartarus. Right, Well,
Speaker 2: the Bible says that God's sons tried to rebel, it failed,
Speaker 2: and he cast them into Tartarus. And so the ones
Speaker 2: that rebelled and will come down to Earth. Of course,
Speaker 2: they're the ones that are pretending to be gods and
Speaker 2: telling all of humanity that they were gods and given
Speaker 2: all this technology and we're superior, and were worshiped as gods.
Speaker 1: And they told them.
Speaker 2: This perverted story, and they're memorialized as Zeus and Poseidon
Speaker 2: and all these other guys, and so that's why you
Speaker 2: get this perverted version. But even in the Greek story,
Speaker 2: these gods like Zeus, Poseidon and all these others, what
Speaker 2: do they do. They come down and they have sex
Speaker 2: with human women, and what do they make. They make
Speaker 2: demi gods like Hercules, Perseus, all these guys that have
Speaker 2: superhuman strength and abilities. These are the Phalom. It's confirming
Speaker 2: that the biblical narrative, and no matter where you go,
Speaker 2: you have the same story. It's just different names and
Speaker 2: caveats to it. In North America, the Indians talk about
Speaker 2: the sky people. The sky people come down, stole their
Speaker 2: women and bred with them and made these hybridized creatures
Speaker 2: and these giants, and they terrorized the land, and they
Speaker 2: turned cannibal and ravaged the land and was eating the people.
Speaker 2: That so and that all the people had to band
Speaker 2: together and wipe out these giants and run them out.
Speaker 2: Arracocia down in South America says that his first in
Speaker 2: his first creation, that he created giants and the same
Speaker 2: thing that they ravaged the land and were so wicked
Speaker 2: and terrorized the earth that he had to bring a
Speaker 2: great flood and wipe them out and start over again. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, you have it, just repeat it over and
Speaker 2: over again. And they've even found that they're bones and
Speaker 2: their remnants, you know, the great Smithsonian cover up.
Speaker 1: If you go looking.
Speaker 2: Online, you can find all kinds of pictures and news
Speaker 2: articles back in the you know, like in the eighteen
Speaker 2: hundreds and stuff of sixteen eighteen twenty foot human skeletons found.
Speaker 2: It's all over the place, but the bones always disappear.
Speaker 2: The Smithsonian shows up and the bones disappear every time.
Speaker 2: And then you find these elongated skulls.
Speaker 1: All over the world.
Speaker 2: I think that's a that's another nephilum. But it's kind
Speaker 2: of like the theory of entropy. You know, nothing gets
Speaker 2: better over time, it gets weaker. So it's like the
Speaker 2: more that these nephylum bred with humanity and the long
Speaker 2: they went, that DNA strand got weaker and weaker, so
Speaker 2: they got shorter and shorter, and it just kind of
Speaker 2: pops up in different variations. And like Jubilee and Enoch,
Speaker 2: it talks about they not only did that, but they
Speaker 2: sinned against the beasts of the field and the birds
Speaker 2: of the air. So it's like they were, you know,
Speaker 2: modifying genetically like we're doing today with with with science cloning.
Speaker 2: And that's why you get all these centaurs and these
Speaker 2: crazy hybrid cryptid beasts drone on cave art walls and
Speaker 2: in the mythologies and all this stuff, because that's what
Speaker 2: these Nephilim giants and fallen angels were doing.
Speaker 5: There's a there's an interesting thing there because as soon
Speaker 5: as you mentioned.
Speaker 6: There about how you believe that it's fact, and I.
Speaker 5: Think there's definitely something to it, how much I'm not,
Speaker 5: I'm not one hundred percent. Yeah, I definitely need to
Speaker 5: do a lot more looking into it. Or something that
Speaker 5: has always fascinated me, and it's purely when you said
Speaker 5: about that it's in so many different like cultures and
Speaker 5: different texts and it all essentially resembles the same sort
Speaker 5: of thing. And then I'm kind of glad that you
Speaker 5: mentioned sort of like cryptic creatures or else this would
Speaker 5: have seemed like a very weird tangent. But something it's
Speaker 5: always always interested me because it's in so many different
Speaker 5: cultures is dragons. Yeah, because like I said, like when
Speaker 5: dragons were apparently a thing alive whatever you want to
Speaker 5: however you want to word it, like you know, you couldn't,
Speaker 5: you couldn't spread news around the world like you can
Speaker 5: now with the literally the press of a button sort
Speaker 5: of thing. So if there weren't real how we're all
Speaker 5: these different corners of the earth coming up with the
Speaker 5: same sort of like creature if it wasn't real. It's
Speaker 5: something that's always really interested me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get them in the Bible, I mean,
Speaker 2: you get them in all these ancient texts.
Speaker 1: That's another thing.
Speaker 2: It's one of those universal things. I mean, you got
Speaker 2: the inc of stones down in Peru, you know, these
Speaker 2: ancient stones, but it's depicting people side by side with dinosaurs,
Speaker 2: and some of them they're riding them like horses into battle.
Speaker 2: And when you look at some of those man they
Speaker 2: even have the scales drone on the sides of them.
Speaker 2: It's like that these things were real. They walked alongside
Speaker 2: of them. I mean they were even drawing their freaking
Speaker 2: scales and stuff. And the Piloxi River down in Texas
Speaker 2: they find dinosaur prints side by side with human footprints.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't follow the scientific.
Speaker 2: Narrative that they were, you know, millions of years ago
Speaker 2: and they were way before main kind and they were separated. No,
Speaker 2: they were together, they were together.
Speaker 8: Mm hm.
Speaker 5: Again it's it's it's an It's an interesting one because.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 5: I tend to be more more on the scientific side
Speaker 5: of things. But like you've I'm pretty sure, like the
Speaker 5: whole time when dinosaurs if you want to go like, say,
Speaker 5: you know what science says when dinosaurs were about there
Speaker 5: is literally millions of years between between them, just like
Speaker 5: just while they were on Earth. It's like it was
Speaker 5: one of my favorite things a part of Jurassic Park. Like,
Speaker 5: none of the article dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were around
Speaker 5: in the Jurassic period. I'm pretty sure that I might
Speaker 5: be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's even that there's
Speaker 5: not many of them that were around in the Jurassic period.
Speaker 5: So the names sort of stupid when you know people
Speaker 5: who want to be literal with things. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 5: say that that's something that's always always interested me. I said,
Speaker 5: just like the the idea of dragons, because let's be honest,
Speaker 5: that dragons are cool as fuck, big lizards that can
Speaker 5: fly and brief fire. I mean, whether they could brief fire.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know whether that's a thing, but
Speaker 5: I think there was definitely something to it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: Personally, I mean I agree, m hmm, definitely definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not gonna lie just now. I really really
Speaker 5: enjoyed this has been, Like this has been a real
Speaker 5: education for me to be honest this episode. I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna lie.
Speaker 6: A lot.
Speaker 5: A lot of times I don't. I don't A lot
Speaker 5: of times I don't feel like I've learned a lot
Speaker 5: after speaking to people. But tonight I definitely have one
Speaker 5: hundred No problem, no problem. Do you want to tell
Speaker 5: our listeners where they can find you find your podcasts,
Speaker 5: more importantly, where they can find your book?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I man, I appreciate you having me. I had
Speaker 1: a good time.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the spooky, cool shed. But yeah, guys, if
Speaker 2: you enjoy some of the topics that I talked about today, uh,
Speaker 2: check check out my shows.
Speaker 1: I got one.
Speaker 2: It's more of like a Bible study. We just talk
Speaker 2: about stuff in the Bible and the weird stuff in
Speaker 2: the Bible. We talk about the dragons of the Bible,
Speaker 2: the Leviathan, you know, and ray Hab and uh stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and the fallen angels and the giants, all
Speaker 2: the cool, fringy stuff that you're not going to hear
Speaker 2: in church.
Speaker 1: That's what we do there at the Big Bible Podcast.
Speaker 2: My other's podcast is the Prometheus Lens Podcast. Everything from
Speaker 2: cryptids to lost civilizations to aliens to the Bible, all
Speaker 2: that cool stuff, conspiracy theories, but it's with a biblical lens.
Speaker 2: So you get all those cool things and you get
Speaker 2: my deep dive research, but you kind of get my
Speaker 2: perspective on it with with a biblical lens. And so
Speaker 2: just anywhere you can consume content, Spotify, Apple, YouTube, any
Speaker 2: of those fine establishments wherever your favorite place to consume content.
Speaker 2: Just search up the dig Bible podcast or Prometheus Lens
Speaker 2: podcast and you will find us there, same thing on
Speaker 2: the social media platforms. We're on all those different ones.
Speaker 2: And the book is on Amazon. Just look for this
Speaker 2: yoked out guy, The Epic of Esaw, the Birthright and
Speaker 2: Seed War. You can get it in ebook for ten
Speaker 2: bucks or paperback for twenty bucks. And this is twenty chapters,
Speaker 2: or sorry, it's fifteen chapters, but it's really extensive. And
Speaker 2: I lay all cards on the table. I go through
Speaker 2: all the ancient extra biblical books, legends and lore. The
Speaker 2: first few chapters I lay a groundwork for the wild Man.
Speaker 2: So I go through all the ancient cultures, and I
Speaker 2: go through all their legends and the lore about Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: what they called it, and some of their legends. So
Speaker 2: I lay out a good ground war you know that
Speaker 2: this guy is real. You have it throughout the world.
Speaker 2: And then I go into science. You know, uh, science
Speaker 2: calls it hypertrixosis when people are born covered in hair
Speaker 2: from head to toe. So I kind of look at
Speaker 2: it from a scientific perspective. What could they call it?
Speaker 2: And then I go through the Bible. I show you
Speaker 2: a different wild men covered in hair in the Bible,
Speaker 2: and then I introduce you to Saul and how he
Speaker 2: intramarries into giant clans and all this different stuff.
Speaker 1: And so it's a.
Speaker 2: Full walkthrough of this enigmatic character of the Bible. If
Speaker 2: you were ever curious about this dude, you're you're not
Speaker 2: going to find a more complete story about this Sasquatch
Speaker 2: sounding guy.
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's perfect, justin, It's perfect. Well, yeah, guys,
Speaker 5: that's it. That's it for today, tonight's whatever, whatever time
Speaker 5: you're listening to this, So as always, going to check
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Speaker 5: merch stars, all that sort of stuff, and we shall
Speaker 5: speak to you next time. Justin once again, thank you
Speaker 5: for coming on, and obviously again all our listeners go
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Speaker 6: We shall speak to you next time.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you brother, no problem, no problem, my.
Speaker 8: Friend, anything ever.
Speaker 2: Hi,