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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Barrie Fas Jerald from Ghost Hunters International,

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and you're listening to Unknown Origins Radio. We live in

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a world filled with the unknown.

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Speaker 2: You can't handle the true.

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Speaker 3: I must tag as hell.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not trying to take this anymore.

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Speaker 3: Came over, man, game over.

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Speaker 4: I got your name, I got your mask.

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Speaker 3: We will not go quietly into the night. We will

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not vanish, not a knight.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 5: And welcome back everyone to Unknown Origins Radio. This is

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Mark Johnson and Irene Allen Block and Uh, I'm really

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excited to introduce our guest for tonight.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 5: He has a his own YouTube series that I've been

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following for a while now and it's a subject that's

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near and dear to my heart. Is the author of

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sixteen books and currently lives down in South America and

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explores all the ancient structures down there in Tijuanaco and

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all the other locations. So I wanted to welcome Brian

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Forster to the program tonight.

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Speaker 3: How are you today? Brian?

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Speaker 1: Very fine? Thank you Mark.

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Speaker 5: Now, Brian, I was wondering, before we get into a

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lot of your research, if you could just tell our

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listeners for those people who may not be familiar with you,

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just a little bit about yourself and what got you

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into doing all this investigation into these old megalithic works

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in South America.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've been fascinated since childhood with ancient mysteries, and

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I think most children are like They're fascinated by the Sphinx,

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Lost Worlds, Atlantis, etc. And so I've been fortunate enough

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to start traveling beginning at the age of sixteen of

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been to more than eighty countries, and in the last

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ten years my fascination has been with Peru and Bolivia.

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And the main reason why I've been exploring the megalithic

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structures is because conventional academics and archaeologists don't understand that

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these are far more complicated and more ancient than what

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they will admit.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's not only that they they are indoctrinated. It

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seems to follow whatever the party line is for established history,

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and you don't rock the boat. I've heard so many

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stories of archaeologists and other researchers who get banned or

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blackballed if they even try to suggest anything different, as

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in that there was probably far more advanced civilizations that

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existed way before the time period.

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Speaker 3: That they tell us.

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Speaker 5: You know, right now, standard history says civilization has started

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about five to six years ago in Samaria and then

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in Egypt, and it almost completely ignores what's going on

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down in.

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Speaker 3: South America or even in North America.

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Speaker 5: And doesn't want to admit the fact that these civilizations

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may have been around for tens or even.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of thousands of years.

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Speaker 5: So it's it's an uphill struggle to try to get

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people to accept some of these new ideas and theories.

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And this is why we do this show, because you know,

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we don't like to tow the party line, and we

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will want to get to the bottom of it. So

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now you've also explored not only down in South America,

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but also in Egypt as well.

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Speaker 2: Correct, that's right, and also the British Isles, Polynesia, New

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Zealand and other places too. But the main, you know,

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the main really interesting stuff as far as I'm concerned,

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is in Peru, Bolivia, Egypt, Lebanon, and Turkey.

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Speaker 5: One of the sites that really gets me that I'm

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probably the most fascinated in is Boma Punka, and I

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really started to learn a lot about that watching the

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Ancient Aliens Show, of course, which you, of course have

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appeared on over ten episodes.

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Speaker 3: I hear, yeah, fifteen, I think now, oh great.

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Speaker 5: And a couple of years ago I had Philip Coppins

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on the show before he passed away. Wonderful gentleman, and

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he's one of the first people that really opened my

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eyes to the Puma Punka site and I started looking

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more into it and those blocks and the cutting that

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they did is so incredibly precise.

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Speaker 3: It looks like a.

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Speaker 5: Laser did it, and it had to be with advanced tools,

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and yet modern science and archaeology would try to have

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us believe that, you know, Stone Age people with copper

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tools chiseled these things out. I was wondering if you

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could talk about a little bit on the type of

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machining that was done on those blocks compared to could

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it be done with copper tools?

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Speaker 1: Well, excellent question.

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Speaker 2: And the great thing is that you know, as I

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explore these sites over and over again, I bring experts

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in other fields with me, like geologists, engineers, machinists, etc.

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reached out to these other disciplines to try to find

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out how the stone at Pumapunku was in fact cut,

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but you are correct.

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Speaker 1: The precision is astonishing.

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Speaker 2: It's almost laser perfect, or at least within two or

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three ten thousands of an inch of being perfectly flat,

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and that cannot be achieved using hand tools of any kind,

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whether there are copper, bronze, or even steel. This is

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technical precis which I would say is twent century, if

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not beyond twenty first century technology.

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Speaker 5: So if it's beyond twenty first century technology, what are

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some of the theories that you may have, either you know,

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you push yourself or in some of your colleagues on

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how some of these blocks could have been made to

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such a fine precision.

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Speaker 2: Well, the other amazing thing is the fact that the

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stone is not local the gray and To site blocks

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which make up most of Puma Punku. There's also red sandstone.

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from about six miles away, and one of the blocks

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that remains at Puma Punku is one hundred and thirty

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one tons. And then the other stone, the gray and

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which is about fifty miles away.

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Speaker 1: So not only is it a question of the prescient decision.

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Speaker 2: But how could primitive people have moved multi ton blocks

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of stone over very rough, mountainous terrain, over you know,

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great distances like that. It's highly unlikely, if not impossible.

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Speaker 5: The one question I would have is with the amount

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of stones and the incredible size and weight of these stones,

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many many tons, could we lift them today with today's technology.

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Speaker 2: Well, we do have cranes that can do that today,

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you know, that can reasonably easily pick up I think

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one hundred tons or so.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Main thing is that there's no way that the so

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called Tiwanaku culture could have cut the blocks from the quarry,

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moved them from the quarry to their present location, and

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fit them or cut them so tightly and flat that

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they fit together perfectly so that you can't.

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Speaker 1: Fit a huge and hair in the joins.

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Speaker 2: That's you know, that's way beyond any Bronze Age civilization.

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Speaker 3: I was pausing, Irene, are you there, un mute, I've.

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Speaker 4: Done it again, Ran. You talk about these sites for

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these stones, coming from quite a distance way, it's like

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this is something on all these sites. But you're.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. What seems obvious is that

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whoever did this work. You know, Stonehenges is physically a

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lot cruder construction than the stuff we find in Peru,

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Bolivia and Egypt. But it's clear that whoever these ancient

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others were, they selected very specific stones, so they would

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go whatever distance was required in order to access stone

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that had the exact properties that they were looking for.

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Salisbury Plain where they exist today, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 5: What's always amazed me is the distances that Stone Age

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people would have to transport these blocks. Let's just say,

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Speaker 3: It just seems to me.

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Speaker 5: That even with today's technology, we may have cranes that

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can lift blocks that far, but could they also transport

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them hundreds of miles? I mean, how feasible would be

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the logistics of building something let's say the same size

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as Tijuanaco with the pyramids there, with those types of

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large blocks and transporting them the distance that they did

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Speaker 1: No, that's an excellent point.

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Speaker 2: And even more extreme examples would be Egypt, where we

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find stone that or at least the granite which is

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in the core of the Great Pyramid comes from Aswan.

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as one is five hundred miles away from the Giza plateau.

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granite there that seem to have been transported from the

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Aswan quarry, and that's a distance of a thousand miles.

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Speaker 3: It's just it boggles the mind.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, you could think that, okay, well,

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if this is where the materials were, why transport them

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such great distances? What was so important about these sites,

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these locations that they had to build on this site,

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but yet we had to get the stone five hundred

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miles away. Why couldn't they use local building materials?

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Speaker 2: Well, the key seems to be the composition of the

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stone granite is quite high in quartz crystal, and we

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even you know, crystal radios and watches and all sorts

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of things. So it seems to be an acoustic or

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energetic property that made these ancient builders go these vast

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distances to find stone that was high in quartz content

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in general, or in some cases iron, but all materials

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that could either you know, that were very useful for

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sound or other energetic properties.

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Speaker 1: That seems to be why.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 5: Unmute, Yeah, I'm gonna have to go in this later,

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so go ahead.

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Speaker 4: What I'm trying to work at is how have they

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actually measured it the quotes and one thing or another,

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you know, the amount of energy coming from that stone.

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the type thing or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Did they Well we have no Yeah, we have no

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the case of some of these constructions, because in the

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case of Punku, at least, you can't find any tool

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marks whatsoever. And that's why people tend to think that

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the blocks were poured concrete, because it's that perfect. That's

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one of the great mysteries and engineers who have accompanied

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me to scratch their heads.

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Speaker 1: Even Masiness, who know.

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Speaker 2: How to make parts for jet you know, finds for

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jet engines using very complex machines, just look at the

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stone and say, I don't know how we today could

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cut it with that level of precision.

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Speaker 5: The precision alone, I mean we're dealing with several factors here.

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First of all, in some of these locations, the precision

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is incredible. I mean at Puma Pulka, the the sharp,

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clearly sharp lines that these blocks look like they came

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out of molds, and yet they are made of the

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local andesite, which is a very hard, hard material compared

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to and I'm having a brain freeze right now that

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what's this the one site that's just that's very nearby

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with the interlocking blocks that that you can't fit the

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mortar between what's the name of that site?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 5: With Tiuanaco, it was a different type of construction. Uh,

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it's very relatively close by. But yet instead of having

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these pre formed blocks, they were able to take blocks

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and cut them almost like taking string through cheese and

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cutting them at wildly different angles to get them all

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to fit together so perfectly that there's no mortar. And

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Speaker 1: Or thousands of years.

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Speaker 5: Well, and now let me ask you this because I'm

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how much erosion can occur over thousands.

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Speaker 5: And that's one thing that I'm curious if there was

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do we notice a lot of weathering on these blocks.

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starting to find out is that the Puma Punku Tiwanaku site,

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they're actually the same site. It's just that archaeologists have

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decided to give them different names and put different fences

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around them. But we have increasing evidence that the whole

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area was hit by a massive wall of mud and

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that much of it was buried. So once the archaeologists

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they literally were digging down and finding multi ton blocks

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under the earth, and so those ones are almost perfect,

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have the perfect surfaces, whereas ones that have been on

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the surface for you know, at least two thousand, not

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because it's quite a nasty location. It's a thirteen thousand

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feet altitude. It rains there almost every day. It's usually

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bitterly cold, and when the sun comes out, there's no

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ultraviolet protection, so it's not the most pleasant to spend

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Pike's Peak in Colorado when I visit my family, I

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know what it's like being up that high and sucking wind.

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careful because you can get altitude sicnics of sickness very easily,

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which I have. The blocks at Puma Punka, if they

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were all buried in mud, was there enough of the

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site sticking out of the ground that they were able

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to realize that there was something there? I mean, how

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Speaker 1: Well, the basic history is that.

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it abandoned the site about a thousand years ago because

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of the influx of more or less marauding local.

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been used as a quarry, both by the people who

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overtook and then by the Spanish and then the you know,

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the colonial Bolivians used dynamite to blow a partts of

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the site up to take the stone to Lapase for

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building construction. And finally they built a railroad about one

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hundred years ago going close by, and again they used

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dynamite and blew a lot of puma, punku and tiwanaku

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the railway. So it's it's had a very tragic history that.

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Speaker 5: Just really infuriates me when I hear that there is

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burial ground that some some company wants to tear down

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to put up a Sam's club and here in the States,

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and I just like just shake my head and go,

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what is wrong with people?

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Speaker 3: But you know, that's the mentality.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of people, a lot of average people

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don't have that respect for the past, and they don't

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realize that a lot of the answers to what is

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going on with human history can be found in researching

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the past. You know, most kids are bored in school.

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it's not important. You know, how am I going to

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use this in my everyday life? Well, you know, the

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history that they're teaching in school. Now, you may not

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learn that much depending on what you want to do

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with life. But if if you want a deeper understanding

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of human history and what really happened to humanity, then

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you really have to look into the past and look

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what's happening with these cultures and don't just take the

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you know, the current academic view point, because in my opinion,

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from all the research I've done, it's wrong. Now, I

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don't automatically jump on the ancient aliens bandwagon. I mean,

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it's an interesting theory, but a lot of what I

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know in talking with people such as yourself and other experts,

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it seems to me that human history is far older

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than we know, and we may have had more advanced

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civilizations on this planet that go far beyond our current

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recorded human history, that could go back tens or not

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hundreds of thousands of years, and whatever cataclysms come up

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seems to wipe the slate clean and then we start

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all over again from scratch.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 5: The one cataclysm that constantly comes up, and you had

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mentioned it in some of your videos that you put online,

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is the fact of the time of the Great Flood,

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which seems to have been a worldwide cataclysm and if

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you ask some people, may have been a cataclysm that

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affects in the entire Solar system and a lot of

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these uh, there was one of the first Ancient Aliens

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shows dealt with the fact that Puma Punka, as you mentioned,

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was hit by by mud and a wall of mud

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and water. Could it have been destroyed in the Great

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Flood or what is your thought on that?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that's excellent, and you're completely right in that

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conventional history is boring and completely inaccurate because we've been

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taught since we were kids that you know, you start

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then they form little communities and villages and then you

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get you know, civilization starting to form, and it's you know,

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it's like this linear evolution, which is completely incorrect when

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you look at the science, and you see that cataclysms

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have happened on the planet on average once every thirteen

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thousand years. And as you said, what this would do

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is it would wipe the slave clean. An ancient high

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technology or sophisticated culture would have been decimated by such

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an event, and all that would remain would be stone artifacts.

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And that's exactly what we're looking at when we look

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at these enigmatic structures in Peru, Bolivia, Egypt, and other locations.

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Speaker 1: So we do have actual tangible.

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Speaker 2: Evidence of very sophisticated people existing in the past, at

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least as sophisticated as us, and so that opens the

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door to the idea scientifically that human history is far

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more complex and intriguing than what we've been taught, and

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we're looking at exactly that idea that Puma Punku may

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have been hammered by this cataclysmic event that was global

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in nature and happened right at the end of the

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last Ice Age.

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Speaker 5: Now, one of your other videos, when you were in Egypt,

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you posted about the Great Pyramids and the fact that

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you know, the Pyramids used to be encased in a

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capstone of limestone, and most of that is all gone

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and stripped away, and you know, the current archaeological and

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historic theory is all that you know that was scavenged,

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taken off the pyramids and used to build Cairo and

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other locations.

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Speaker 3: But there's the Great Pyramid, was the Great Pyramid of.

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Speaker 5: Cufu, where you still have part of the capstone at

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the top of the pyramid. That's right, Yeah, And you

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you had talked about the idea about that could have

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been where the water floodwater came through. I mean, I mean,

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could you talk a little bit about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, the more you know, the more that I visit

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Egypt and the more that I'm in contact on the

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ground with you know, with the experts of the area,

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it looks like ancient Egypt was again hammered by this

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cataclysmic event, which we believe was about.

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Speaker 1: Nine thousand, seven hundred years ago.

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Speaker 2: And since it was of a global nature and was devastating,

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we think that the Great Pyramid and the other two

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pyramids on the Giza Plateau were in fact energetic structures.

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and that when this cataclysm happened, it caused an overload

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of the entire system and rather than the skin of

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the pyramids being slowly picked off by the people living

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after the Dynastic Egyptians, that actually the pyramids shed their

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skin because there was such a violent event happening to them.

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So it's like the insulation exterior fell off. And then

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later when the cultures came.

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Speaker 1: To bill Cairo, they didn't pull the pieces off the pyramid.

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Speaker 2: They simply picked up what was on the ground.

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Speaker 5: The there's every culture on this planet. Fact, practically every

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culture that I'm aware of lists that there is a

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great they have a great floods myth, and starting with

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Samerian culture is probably one of the oldest myths, but

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you can even find it in South America, in.

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Speaker 3: Asia, all Africa, all over the world.

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Speaker 5: So something pretty devastating would have had to have hit

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the earth, whether we're talking about maybe a meteor strike,

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cause lifting up all the materials from the ocean and

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covering the world is a possibility or some other possibility,

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it's just something definitely happened. And if you start to

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think of hearing, you start to think about the other

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ancient civilizations that supposedly flourished and then had a catastrophic end,

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like Atlantis, or Lemuria, and you know, no moderns. I'm

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gonna have to say some Brian, we're getting a really

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wicked feedback here, electronic feedback. Do you hear that?

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Speaker 1: Actually? I think I could do something about that, if

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you can give me a second.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Okay, that's better.

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Speaker 4: I wonder what that was.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea.

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Speaker 4: So I was being contacted by aliens then high pitched

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sound in my eads.

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Speaker 3: We'll just go an extra minute and I'll cut that out.

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Speaker 4: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that. It's actually someone working on our

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house with.

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Speaker 1: An angel group.

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Speaker 3: That's what I thought. It was affecting the person, not

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a problem.

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Speaker 1: So I've asked him to not do anything for an hour.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're good. We'll just go right back into it.

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Speaker 5: So the ancient cultures, the ancient stories of great highly

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advanced civilizations like Atlantis, Lemuria, you know, modern archaeology just

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poo poos it and says not it can't happen. And

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yet it seems to be with these other advanced civilizations

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like Egypt could be far older than we realize. The

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locations in Peru and Bolivia could be a lot older

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than we realized. I mean, what do you think the

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chances are that these advance civilizations may have been all

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over the globe at an ancient time.

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Speaker 2: Well, the important thing is that we're gathering more and

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more actual scientific evidence that this was the case, and

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we we have, unfortunately let archaeologists be the sole experts.

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Speaker 1: But when you bring.

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Speaker 2: When you bring geologists in like doctor Robert Shock and engineers,

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et cetera, were able to see that there is increasing

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evidence that there were very advanced civilizations that were devastated

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in you know, most recently again about eleven to twelve

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years ago by this global catastrophic event. And there are

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many theories about this which all actually dovetail each other,

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and what they're basically saying is that this event that

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happened which caused the end of the last Ice Age,

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and actually the end of the Ice Age didn't take

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the thousands of years, but was almost spontaneous. Doctor Robert

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Shock believes that the melting of the poles at the

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end of the last Ice Age could have taken as

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little as two weeks and that caused the Earth's oceans

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to rise very rapidly by three hundred feet, so that

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would have buried many civilizations that were near any coastline

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at that time, and all of that water being redistributed

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around the planet would have caused increased pressure on the

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crust of the Earth, resulting in massive earthquake and volcanic activity.

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So there are more than two hundred cultures from around

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the world to talk about this ancient flood that happened,

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and I think the timeline we're looking at is around

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eleven thousand, seven hundred years ago.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Well, we're going to go to our first break

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and when we come back, we're going to be talking

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more with Brian Forrester. And don't go away.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to Unknown Origins Video here on KGRA, the

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Global Radio Alliance. We'll be right back, and we're back

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with Unknown Origins Radio. I'm Mark Johnson with Irene Allen

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Block and our guest tonight is Brian Forrester, author of

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sixteen books and has appeared on television shows Ancient Aliens,

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and we're discussing ancient megalithic sites all across the world,

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especially in Egypt and South America. Now, one question something

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that kind of hit my mind before we went on.

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Speaker 3: Break, is the idea that.

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Speaker 5: The idea that in the past we think of, you know,

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civilization came later, like Egypt was built after supposedly these cataclysms,

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and they talk about other advanced civilizations like Atlantis and Lemuria.

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But it started to occur to me that if if

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it Atlantis is, if Egypt I'm sorry, is really as

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old as we think it is, If it's much older

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than five thousand, seven thousand years old and goes back ten,

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twelve or even twenty thousand years with the building of

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the pyramids, couldn't we possibly be looking at Egypt maybe

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being a site of or one of these other sites

477
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,359
that we know of today, like the Samerian civilization, the

478
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:30,359
Egyptian civilization. Maybe that's where some of these other ancient

479
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,640
civilizations were located. Egypt could have been Atlantis.

480
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:35,759
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?

481
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: Well, well, the interesting thing is that Plato, you know,

482
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,720
when Plato learned about Atlantis, which was like third, fourth

483
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:49,720
or fifth hand information, because he learned from Solon, who

484
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,440
was a Greek who learned it from the Egyptians themselves.

485
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,200
So he dated Atlantis as being nine thy six hundred

486
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:01,720
years before his time, and then when we tack on

487
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,599
the amount of time since he died, again that makes

488
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,279
it about eleven thousand, seven hundred years ago, so he's

489
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:13,240
talking about the same time frame as as when this

490
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:18,880
global cataclysm occurred. And what seems painfully obvious about ancient

491
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,759
Egypt is that about five to six thousand years ago,

492
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:27,960
the ancestors of the Dynastic Egyptians moved into the Nile

493
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:31,079
Delta or the Nile area, and they discovered that there

494
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:35,279
were these massive structures there, such as the pyramids on

495
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:38,400
the Geesea Plateau and some others, and they were in

496
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,279
such awe and the fact that the Nile was and

497
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,759
is the lifeblood for food of the area, that they

498
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,720
simply built their constructions in the same area. And unfortunately

499
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,640
archaeologists won't accept that, but it's clearly the case that

500
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,839
they discovered the remnants of an ancient, advanced civilization and

501
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,119
then they constructed their buildings around and through and sometimes

502
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,559
on top of these more ancient works.

503
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 5: Could you go into a little bit more detail about

504
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,440
what the purpose of the pyramids, especially the the pyramids

505
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,920
on the Giza Plateau what there? You mentioned that they

506
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,880
were probably power generation sources.

507
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,759
Speaker 2: Well energy, yeah, energetic, and that's what we're what we're

508
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:32,319
seeing at many different eight, you know, superagent sites. They

509
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,519
dealt with energy of some kind, but more subtle than

510
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,200
what you know, what we deal with today, as.

511
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,599
Speaker 1: In electricity, et cetera.

512
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: So the the theory that we're working on now is

513
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,920
that and there isn't again evidence for this, is that

514
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,240
what most people don't understand is that there are a

515
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:58,759
whole series of tunnels and shafts underneath the Giza Plateau.

516
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,960
The go down hundreds of feet and if you follow

517
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,880
the direction of where the tunnels go to, they in

518
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,880
fact go to where the not only where the Nile is,

519
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,119
but where the ancient Nile was, which was a much

520
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,319
more massive river twelve thousand plus years ago.

521
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: So it seems that whoever these.

522
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: Ancient builders were, they built these tunnels to move water

523
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,000
from the ancient Nile to go under the Giza plateau.

524
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: And because the proportions of the tunnels was.

525
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: Very particular, that set up different energies and frequencies, and

526
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:41,960
that energy was then conducted above ground through the pyramids.

527
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,599
Speaker 1: And that's, you know, that's why the pyramids were built.

528
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:51,319
Speaker 2: They were energetic facilities that possibly generated a subtle kind

529
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,200
of energy, almost like a Wi Fi or something like that,

530
00:33:54,319 --> 00:34:01,720
to conduct either sound, healing energy maybe you know, maybe

531
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,240
information as well. But that's the theory we're working on.

532
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 5: What about the astrological alignments for these? Uh, for a

533
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,280
lot of these sites, like the Great Pyramids in the

534
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,760
Giesa Pyramids, they which appeared to line up with the

535
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,320
constellation of Orion's belt.

536
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: That many sites, these huge.

537
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 5: Structures being built, like Stonehenge in England and measuring the

538
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:39,320
calendar year and the solstices. But in other like in

539
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,840
location where I think it's the Great the shaft in

540
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:48,920
the Great Pyramid which points towards a particular star. You know,

541
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:51,159
if these if if a lot of these like the

542
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,239
Pyramids were used as a power generation source, what do

543
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,119
you think the purpose was of the astrological alignments.

544
00:34:58,639 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's a really good point.

545
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: Almost any ancient structure located anywhere on the planet was

546
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:09,400
used for astronomical alignments, you know, such as Stonehenge of

547
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,159
course with the heelstone which is for I think summer solstice.

548
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,239
So almost every ancient structure has solar alignments as well

549
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,599
as lunar alignments to some degree in other stars. I

550
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:27,639
believe it's the star series that the shaft of the

551
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:32,480
Great pyramid points to in terms of Egypt, it could

552
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,639
be that the perfect alignment didn't have anything to do

553
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:41,119
with astronomy as much as it did having to be

554
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:45,480
located on the Earth's energetic grid system, and so in

555
00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:47,639
that case there may have been a reason why it

556
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:54,440
points almost perfectly to the cardinal directions.

557
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 5: It seems to me, you know, it's more than just

558
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:04,400
aligning the pyramids or a lot of these structures just

559
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,480
to keep track of the calendar of the year. Because

560
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:11,239
if they had the advanced technology, and I'm making a

561
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,400
big leap here, so I could be completely wrong, but

562
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,760
if they had the advanced technology to build these incredible

563
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,360
structures using technology way more advanced than what we have today,

564
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,599
it seems to me that they'd also be able to

565
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:26,599
have a very simple calendar and not need to use

566
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:31,119
these big structures as part of their calendar. So the

567
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,480
question for me is was it done you know, out

568
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:39,079
of some type of you know, feng shui, that this

569
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,719
is the way they aligned everything astronomically because that's just

570
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,280
the way they liked to do it, or you know,

571
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,719
was there some kind of deeper meaning, some type of

572
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,360
connection by aligning these in specific places pointed at specific

573
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,719
parts in the sky that that you know, was a

574
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,679
function of some of these things other than just you know,

575
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,599
measuring when the sun was going to come up on

576
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:07,199
the solstice.

577
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's a that's a great point.

578
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: And the thing is you don't have to do anything

579
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,920
massive in order to be able to figure out, you know,

580
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,079
when summer solstice is. All you have to do is

581
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,239
stick or you know, two rocks in a field. But

582
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,360
the point to that they don't even have to have

583
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,320
to be big rocks. I think, though, what we're looking

584
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,159
at is something much more subtle, and the level of

585
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,039
knowledge and capability of these ancient people, I think is

586
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,280
far beyond us.

587
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: And so I think what they.

588
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: Were doing is they were lining these structures up along

589
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:47,880
energetic grids, which are natural which which the Earth creates naturally,

590
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:53,719
and by also utilizing and moving water, then you could

591
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,559
on some levelergy energize water or set up subtle currents

592
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:02,880
of energy and electricity using both the energy.

593
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: Of the Earth and the movement of water.

594
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,599
Speaker 2: And that's the theory that we're working on at present.

595
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: Very interesting. The sites in South America.

596
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:22,679
Speaker 5: Again, we're talking looking specifically at Puma Punka and Timonaco.

597
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:29,440
You mentioned there at such high elevations, to the point

598
00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:33,199
where you've really got to take it easy, because thirteen

599
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:37,079
fourteen thousand feet is if you're not used to it

600
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:39,159
can really do you in. And even if you are

601
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,480
used to it, you still got to be careful to

602
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:47,159
the oxygen deprivation. So it makes me question why on

603
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,920
Earth would they build these sites at such a high elevation.

604
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:55,599
What could possibly be the purpose of those locations that.

605
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:57,159
Speaker 3: Would be so important.

606
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 5: You mentioned that there's possibly certain minerals buried in there,

607
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,519
but has there been any evidence that you found in

608
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:06,480
your research on why they were built on these particular spots.

609
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:11,079
Speaker 2: Well, the theory that I'm working on now is that

610
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:15,079
the original intention of Puma Punku and t Wanaku as

611
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:18,760
well as you know, as well as sites in Egypt

612
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,920
and other sites in Peru. In you know, they're automatically

613
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,920
labeled as being religious in nature, but I think they

614
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,480
were much more pragmatic originally in function. And the Andes

615
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:35,880
area where Puma Punku and t Wanaku are located are

616
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:42,920
very abundant to this very day in metals like gold, silver, tin, copper, arsenic,

617
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,000
and I think they were originally constructed as as mining

618
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:52,760
facilities or processing facilities. And what we're finding out now

619
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,280
using ground penetrating radiar is that there are a number

620
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,800
of chambers underground at these locations which archaeologists do know

621
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,639
about but are hesitant to excavate because that will open

622
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,000
up an incredible historical can of worms and show that

623
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:15,480
the sites are far more complicated than what they're trying

624
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:16,760
to allude to.

625
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 5: Well, isn't that a problem in Egypt that you know

626
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:27,760
that there is a what's the right way of putting this?

627
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,119
They're not very open to the fact of trying to

628
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,280
find these new discoveries because again, it could open the

629
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,400
can of worms. A good case in point is the

630
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,880
chamber that supposedly risks underneath the Sphinx, the Pause of

631
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,320
the Sphinx, that's been rumored to have been there for

632
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,840
many years, and yet they've never really did at any

633
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,239
serious attempts to try to excavate to see if there's

634
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,079
something down there.

635
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: Well, I ask you, that's a great case in point,

636
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,480
and there is a lot of evidence that there is

637
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,599
a large chamber under the pause. And the reason we

638
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:08,000
know that is that doctor Robert Shock did ground penetrating radar,

639
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,280
and they found that there was this large cavity, but

640
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,400
the authorities in Egypt refused to let them do any

641
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,239
excavation whatsoever. However, the more interesting story is that when

642
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,039
you visit the Sphinx today, there is a wooden set

643
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:28,039
of stairs that take you down to where the pose

644
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,400
of the Sphinx are, and then there's a wooden platform

645
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,599
that they've built. And what you can see by looking

646
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:40,000
at the ground around the area is that clearly they

647
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:44,480
have found the chamber under the Sphinx, and they've already done.

648
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: They've already done excavations. But they do this.

649
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:53,199
Speaker 2: Probably around midnight to two o'clock in the morning, and

650
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,920
so the wooden platform was made to hide the evidence

651
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,199
that they've already accessed the chamber.

652
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,639
Speaker 3: Ah. Doesn't that just make you so frustrated? Ah?

653
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 5: You know, it's when they do things like this in

654
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,679
secret and they keep it from the public, and they

655
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,719
don't want to share it because God forbids we learned

656
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,599
some information that upsets our perception of the universe and

657
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,920
our history, and you know, we just we don't want

658
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:22,719
to upset anybody.

659
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: So let's just you know, keep.

660
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:27,639
Speaker 5: Them believing, you know, whatever they're believing now and so.

661
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:30,519
Speaker 4: This is so this has never been released to the public, then.

662
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: No, And actually the thing is that that's the great thing.

663
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,159
Speaker 2: About actually going to these places is I think it

664
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,599
was last year, which was my third trip, and I

665
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,840
was I took an electronic level with me to see,

666
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,400
how you know, to see how level or flat the

667
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,679
surface around the sphinx was, and I found out that

668
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,039
it's when within one.

669
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: Degree of being perfect, which is wild.

670
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,039
Speaker 2: And then because I was looking at the ground and

671
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,760
I was about to climb onto the you know, the platform,

672
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,079
I noticed that it changed from being bedrocked to all

673
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,679
of a sudden, there are these blocks of stone.

674
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: And so I turned to my friend Mohammad, who is.

675
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: Our guide, and I said, it looks like there's a construction,

676
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:16,440
you know, that these blocks are covering some kind of

677
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,199
construction underneath, and he said, yes, this is the chamber

678
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,920
that's underneath the posit the sphinx. So I filmed, you know,

679
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,239
I filmed it like Matt and took photographs as evidence

680
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,320
of the fact. That also, my friends, the Alwians, who

681
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,119
are the you know, true experts of ancient Egypt, and

682
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:36,480
they live across the street from the Sphinx for years.

683
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,599
Speaker 1: In the middle of the night, all of a.

684
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: Sudden, these giant spotlights turn on in that area and

685
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,400
other areas on the plateau. Massive machinery is up there

686
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,119
doing something. But by dawn all the lights are turned

687
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:53,159
off and all the machinery's gone. So someone's doing secret

688
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:54,159
excavations there.

689
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,159
Speaker 4: Somebody's trying to hide something exactly.

690
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:04,559
Speaker 5: Is this relatively recent or or has this been something

691
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,079
in the last couple of years, or is it maybe

692
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:09,840
happened several years ago. I'm trying to deter I just

693
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,039
wondering if it happened under the Zawie Hawas regime or

694
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,199
is this something more recent.

695
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,559
Speaker 1: No, this is under the Zavi and Sahi regime.

696
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,159
Speaker 3: Gee, big surprise there. Yeah yeah, yeah, you notice I

697
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:25,559
don't really have a lot of respect for mister Haas.

698
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:34,159
I yeah, this is true. Oh good lord.

699
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 5: Let me ask you some questions about the Sphinx, Okay,

700
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,920
because I think the sphinx is certainly one of the

701
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:47,840
most enigmatic structures that ever built by mankind, and the.

702
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,519
Speaker 3: Way it sits there on the Gizat Plateau.

703
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:54,039
Speaker 5: First of all, it's down in its own almost like

704
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,639
it's like a pit and it looks like it's constructed

705
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,920
with all these blocks but from the paw. But it

706
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:03,880
seems like and again based on what I've seen on

707
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,079
some of your videos, that you think the sphinx itself

708
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,199
might have been carved out of the ground, out of

709
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,719
the bedrock itself.

710
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: Well, definitely it was.

711
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: And that's what people don't realize unless they've probably been there,

712
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:22,679
is the sphinx is inside what's this enclosure? And so

713
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:26,840
it was dug out of the ground and not sand

714
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:32,039
like we're talking sandstone. It was originally one solid piece

715
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:39,559
of stone, but repair work started during dynastic times, and

716
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:43,639
so the weight that it was excavated originally or was

717
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,880
made originally was multi ton blocks of stone were cut

718
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,079
out of the bedrock and then moved to the front

719
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,639
of where the sphinx is, and that's where the Sphinx

720
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:58,679
Temple was constructed, which is megalithic. So it's not like

721
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,519
a bunch of a Egyptians with axes or chisels were

722
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:07,400
carving the sphinx out. Multi ton blocks were removed, and

723
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,719
the ancient Egyptians, at least the Dynastic Egyptians, didn't have

724
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,800
that technology.

725
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: Originally, the sphinx was simply.

726
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: There was what was called a yardang, which is this

727
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:26,679
bulge of limestone that stood up above the limestone plane area,

728
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,519
and so the whole body was carved out, with the

729
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:34,440
yar dang becoming the head. And more than two hundred

730
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,960
geologists from around the world agree that the original weathering

731
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,280
of the sphinx was done by rain, not by sand,

732
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,400
and so that would date the weathering of the sphinx

733
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,480
itself as being at least ten thousand years old.

734
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:50,039
Speaker 3: Wow.

735
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 5: Now here's the other question. The head of the sphinx

736
00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:59,639
as it currently stands is modeled after a pharaoh with

737
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:06,079
a traditional Egyptian headdress, and it's been commented on many

738
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:11,519
times that the head is disproportionally small to the body

739
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:14,840
of the sphinx. In other words, it seems like the

740
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,280
sphinx had a different head or was a different type

741
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,880
of structure at one point and then recarved later during

742
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:23,840
Egyptian times.

743
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,639
Speaker 3: Is that your thoughts on that?

744
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,519
Speaker 2: Definitely, because the weathering on the head is less than

745
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:33,960
on the body, so clearly it has been recarved. I

746
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:38,360
think that the sphinx originally was a great lion and

747
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,039
through weathering, et cetera. One of the Dynastic Egyptians decided

748
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,519
to have the head recarved, either to look like himself

749
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,800
or look like a member of his family. But the

750
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,039
face has definitely been recarved at least once, if not

751
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:53,760
many times.

752
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: Now it does not go ahead, no go ahead, ariy.

753
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: Is that true that this sphin says one long single stone.

754
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,079
Speaker 2: Yes, it was originally, but even Kufu's son, I believe Cofry.

755
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,320
It's documented that he had teams of people do repair work,

756
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,800
so it's unlikely that you know, most archaeologists think his

757
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,719
father ordered it to be constructed or excavated, but it's

758
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,679
unlikely that the weathering would have been so excessive that

759
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,280
repair work would have had to be done twenty years later.

760
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:31,559
So that gives us another idea that it's much much older,

761
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,599
and like the Giza Platau Pyramids, that the sphinx was

762
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,320
there when the Dynastic Egyptian showed up.

763
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

764
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 3: Is it possible?

765
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 5: And again the two I have two questions in one,

766
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,239
so I'm trying to figure out how to ask this

767
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,519
to keep them in perspective. Now it is the sphinx,

768
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,079
Is it considered to be the same age as the

769
00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:57,320
Pyramids or older.

770
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,159
Speaker 1: It's considered to be contemporary.

771
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: You know, if you look at conventional archaeology, it's believed

772
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,159
to be contemporary with the construction of the Great Pyramids.

773
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:09,519
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts.

774
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: I think it's even older. Some theories are that it's

775
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,119
thirty five thousand years old. It's definitely older than ten thousand,

776
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,920
because the weathering tells us that if you look at

777
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:28,079
reasonably detailed pictures, you'll notice all these vertical lines, erosion

778
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:31,239
lines coming down, and so that tells you that that's precipitation.

779
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: That's not sand.

780
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: Sand would be horizontal weathering, but you have all this

781
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:40,559
vertical weathering, and climate models have shown that the last

782
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,199
time that that part of Egypt had any rain of

783
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:47,920
any significance, especially enough to be able to erode stone,

784
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,320
was a minimum of ten thousand years ago.

785
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 5: So if the and here's that's what I wanted to know.

786
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:57,199
So that's going to lead into this question. If the

787
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Sphinx is older than the Pyramids, hypothetically, then what would

788
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:09,440
be the purpose of creating this large lion carving in

789
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,519
the middle of the desert with nothing else around that

790
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,280
is the same age, which makes me wonder was it

791
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:24,239
a lion, was it a statue? Or possibly was it

792
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:29,599
originally constructed to be something completely different and then over

793
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:34,480
time other civilizations came in or for whatever reasons that

794
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,679
it was chipped away at recarved and eventually made to

795
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,440
look more like a monument rather than some kind of

796
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,599
structure that had a purpose. And again that's all coming

797
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:50,519
totally off the top of my head, but that's just

798
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:51,880
something that's bugging me about it.

799
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:56,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that bugs me about it too, because you know,

800
00:50:56,199 --> 00:51:01,199
being that it's a sculpture, what we find and in

801
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,039
the pre dynastic works such as the Great Pyramids and

802
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:08,039
especially the interior of the Great Pyramids, and in the

803
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:11,599
tunnel systems such as you'll have to look up the

804
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:15,440
Serapeum which is at Sakara that has these hundred more

805
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,639
than twenty i think twenty five hundred ton boxes. There

806
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,079
was no artwork whatsoever done by the original builders. They

807
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:27,599
were just form and function and practicality. That's why, you know,

808
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,920
the interior or the Great Pyramid has no hieroglyphics, whereas

809
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:34,920
anything that we can properly date as being dynastic, as

810
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,760
in old you know, Old Kingdom.

811
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: Middle Kingdom, New kingdom.

812
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: Every square inches, you know, is is covered in hieroglyphics

813
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:44,440
telling the story of the you know, the great people

814
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,440
who lived at that time.

815
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,079
Speaker 1: So the sphinx.

816
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,039
Speaker 2: That's why the sphinx is such a mystery, in that

817
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:54,280
if it was created initially as a sculpture of a

818
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,920
lion or a line with a person's head or something,

819
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,280
it may have been done by completely different culture than

820
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,119
that which created the pyramids, and then completely different culture

821
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,000
from the Dynastic Egyptians themselves.

822
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 5: And if it was created by an older culture, then

823
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,400
where is the rest of the evidence for that culture?

824
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:19,159
Speaker 3: What is? You know, they come in, they drop off,

825
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:20,880
they build a big line, and then they leave.

826
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,199
Speaker 5: They don't make any other buildings that we're aware of. Now,

827
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,360
understanding that the area there around Cairo and you're on

828
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,719
the edge of the Sahara Desert, and the Sahara Desert

829
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,320
many thousands of years ago was a lush, green forest.

830
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,320
It's not the wasteland that it's known today. With climate change,

831
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,360
natural climate change, I should say, and who's to say,

832
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:48,280
you know between after the Ice Age, you know, the

833
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,880
changes that that caused.

834
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,199
Speaker 3: To the planet.

835
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 5: But still you would think that there would be some

836
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,360
other structures or evidence that would seem to be as

837
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,719
old as the Sphinx, And yet am I correct and

838
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,079
assuming that nothing really has been found that matches that age, well.

839
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: That's unknown at this time.

840
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: You know, all we can say is that it's likely

841
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,840
that the Great Pyramids are more than twelve thousand years old,

842
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:20,320
But how old is still up to you know, completely

843
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,599
up in the air, because we don't really have technology

844
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:29,159
to be able to measure when stone was cut. And

845
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:31,719
you know, the unfortunate thing about Egypt is that it's

846
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,000
been a place of so much historical destruction. Not only

847
00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,280
did different periods of the Dynastic Egyptians destroy each other's work,

848
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,960
but then you had the Greeks coming in, and then

849
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,039
you have the Romans coming in, and then you know,

850
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,880
then everybody else comes in and you know, a kind

851
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,480
work would be recycles the places, but they know destroyed

852
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,159
the vast majority of what was there. The most intriguing

853
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,480
thing is that even Zahi hawasids that probably eighty five

854
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:06,599
percent of ancient Egypt is is likely under the sand

855
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,000
or underground at this time.

856
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: So there's a lot more to discover in the future, if.

857
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,079
Speaker 3: If we're allowed to well and that's the problem.

858
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,679
Speaker 5: It seems like if they're going to do any of

859
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:20,400
that type of research, it's in secret and the public

860
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,280
is not going to be made privy to it because

861
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,719
anything new that they find is going.

862
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 3: To be, you know, a very world shattering.

863
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 5: Even now, the talk of the possible extra chamber in

864
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:36,719
King Tut's tomb that could that they think might hold

865
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,920
the tomb of Neffertiti, but they're not sure, and I

866
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,400
don't I believe last I heard that they that they're

867
00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:48,679
not able to move any farther on it Is that correct?

868
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,159
Speaker 3: Or have you heard nothing different amount?

869
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:56,599
Speaker 2: Well, politics in Egypt is very complicated and you have

870
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,639
so many different also outside for US, you have all

871
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:06,960
these foreign academics, major universities in you know, England, Germany,

872
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,880
the US, Canada, et cetera. That you know, their whole

873
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:17,440
existence is based on their belief system that you know,

874
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,280
ancient Egypt is only five thousand years old, So they

875
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,199
can put a lot of political pressure on Egyptian authorities

876
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:30,480
to not allow unorthodox stuff to be literally unearthed. I

877
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:34,639
think that in the case of neffertiity, if they're able

878
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:36,920
to discover that there is a two min's either they

879
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,159
will open it up because that you know, that fits

880
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,079
the historical timeline that tutan common and nefertiity were related.

881
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,559
Speaker 1: But it's when you get to the more.

882
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,599
Speaker 2: Mysterious stuff such as the chambers under the under the

883
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,440
Giza plateau, et cetera, that you know, that's why they

884
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:58,800
put iron gates and locked all of the entrances. But

885
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:03,920
as time goes on and as new technologies appear, we're

886
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,320
able to chip away at a lot of this stuff

887
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,800
and just you know, discover things through satellite imagery and

888
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,920
even Google Earth, so they can't hold the information back

889
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:20,079
much longer. It's it's literally like the Star Wars term

890
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:22,960
said that you know, the sand is running in between

891
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,880
their fingers, and they can't hold it back anymore.

892
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:26,679
Speaker 1: It's just too late.

893
00:56:28,599 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 5: No, and a lot more people are asking questions. And

894
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,000
this is why I really enjoy you know, shows like

895
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:37,760
Ancient Aliens, where a lot of people they just hear

896
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,480
that term and they chuckle and dismiss it. But there

897
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,920
is a lot of great theories that are presented on

898
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,440
the show. I don't necessarily agree with all of them,

899
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,880
but there's enough out there that shows that something very

900
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:56,320
mysterious is happening, and we are a species with amnesia.

901
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,760
We don't know our own history. We don't remember, and

902
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,920
I personally have this passion to look into it and

903
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,079
find out. I want to know, and I think more

904
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,400
people are starting to wake up to that fact. But

905
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,679
there are forces out there, like in these in these

906
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,880
governments and the politics as you mentioned, that doesn't want.

907
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: That to happen.

908
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 5: They they're afraid what will people do if they have

909
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,800
this information? Got to keep people consuming and buying and

910
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,559
you know, keep the status quo. So it's a shame.

911
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,760
I'm really hoping that we could see more coming in

912
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,880
the future. Now we do have to take our last break,

913
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,000
and when we come back, we will be talking more

914
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,599
with Brian Forrester about his research into these ancient megalithic structures.

915
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:43,000
So don't go away, we'll be right back after these messages.

916
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,119
Welcome back to Unknown Origins Radio. This is Mark Johnson

917
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:49,000
and Irene Allen Block and we're talking with our guest

918
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:49,880
Brian Forrester.

919
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: You know, we just spent a lot of time talking.

920
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 5: About Egypt and the Pyramids and the Sphinx. The one

921
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,840
thing question I have whenever you see the pictures, especially

922
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,719
satellite pictures of the Pyramids.

923
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,679
Speaker 3: You don't, you know, unless you've been.

924
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: To Cairo, you don't realize just how damn close civilization is,

925
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:14,199
you know, because the roads are almost right up to it.

926
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,039
Speaker 3: You think they kind of set off out in the desert.

927
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:18,480
But there's all those buildings and.

928
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 5: Structures that were all around it. What you know, this

929
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:25,880
is where my own ignorance comes in. What were a

930
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,519
lot of those structures that were all around You could

931
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:32,199
see all the holes and everything surrounding the pyramids and

932
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:34,239
the Sphinx.

933
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: Well, there are.

934
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,719
Speaker 2: Of course a number of tombs there, like a vast

935
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,800
number of tombs, and that's why archaeologists erroneously believed that

936
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,440
the Great Pyramid and the other two pyramids were tombs.

937
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,599
But of course bodies were never found inside, no inscriptions inside.

938
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,280
But because there was this tunnel system that was or

939
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:02,159
is contemporary with the original construction of the Great Pyramids

940
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:07,320
that goes several stories underground, the dunask Egyptians would discover

941
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,000
these openings and of course would use them as tombs.

942
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,800
There are also a number of smaller pyramids up on

943
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,639
the Giza plateau. Some are dynastic in terms of age

944
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,159
and others are much more ancient. And then there are

945
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,280
other pyramids as well, at one site called Dashure, where

946
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,320
you find the Bent Pyramid and the Red Pyramid. They

947
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,159
seem to be contemporary with the great Pyramids at Giza.

948
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:39,840
And I hope that answers your question.

949
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:44,559
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, that's just something that I've never really thought about.

950
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,360
And you know, it is interesting that if the you know,

951
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:53,320
I've always never believed that the pyramids were burial chambers

952
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,960
or tombs, and that's very clear. Archaeology is very clearly

953
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,119
showing that now. But yet that still part of of

954
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:03,079
our culture, our history that we said, oh, yeah, they

955
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:06,599
were built to be big tombs. But you know, as

956
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:10,199
much as the Egyptians liked to carve their drawings and

957
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:15,159
graffiti on everything, it is a little surprising that even

958
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,559
in later times in Egyptian history that they didn't go

959
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:24,119
in there and try to repurpose and put their carvings

960
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:25,039
or make it a tomb.

961
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: I mean, it seemed natural that.

962
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 5: Hey, there's this nice, big empty chamber, and I'm this

963
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:33,719
pharaoh and I want something great and grand, so I'll

964
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,360
just take this old structure that's been here, and I

965
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,639
alternate to my tomb, and yet they never did that, uh,

966
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,960
and they never put the drawings in there. So I'm

967
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,840
really curious, you know, as to why they didn't use.

968
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: Those structures for those purposes. Any ideas on something like that.

969
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's possible that they didn't actually have access to them.

970
01:00:56,199 --> 01:01:00,480
A lot of the damage that has been done was

971
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:05,519
done by probably the early Muslims who moved into the area,

972
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:11,480
you know, once, once explosives were available. One would guess,

973
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:15,199
perhaps you know, five hundred to two a thousand years ago,

974
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,280
that that that's when attempts.

975
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,599
Speaker 1: Were made to get access.

976
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: But because of the of the age of the pyramids,

977
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,840
the fact that sand constantly has been burying different things,

978
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,000
such as the Sphinx has been buried for most of

979
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,920
its history, they keep kept digging it out again. And

980
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:38,760
since they, you know, the access points may or the

981
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,679
pyramids may have been sealed off so well that the

982
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:46,239
ancient Egyptian or dynastic Egyptians may never have been able

983
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,960
to get access to the interiors again until explosives were

984
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,039
brought in by much later cultures. So it could very

985
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:59,039
well be that the pyramids just sat there. Kufu decided

986
01:01:59,039 --> 01:02:02,639
to name one after him Coffrey decided to name one

987
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:05,719
after you know, after him, and then then the third

988
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,239
pyramid was was was named after another one of the

989
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,159
of the pharaohs, just because he was in charge, and

990
01:02:13,199 --> 01:02:15,920
he said, name that pyramid after me.

991
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:20,119
Speaker 5: Now I wanted to ask you about there's the other

992
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,000
lesser known pyramid nearby and I forget the name of it.

993
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,199
And you had you had put this up on your

994
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:31,079
YouTube channel, uh, talking about this pyramid that looks like

995
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:34,159
it was it exploded from within. I was wondering if

996
01:02:34,159 --> 01:02:35,440
you could talk a little bit about that one.

997
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:42,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, that's Abu Rawash, which almost nobody gets to

998
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:42,960
go to.

999
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: It's is it north?

1000
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:54,679
Speaker 2: So I think it's south, actually the south of Giza,

1001
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,800
and we went there once and it took a lot

1002
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,840
of pay work to be able to get access to it.

1003
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: But it's either a.

1004
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,079
Speaker 2: Pyramid that was never completed or a pyramid that literally

1005
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:12,559
exploded because there's nothing of the surface left, but the

1006
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:16,559
shafts and chambers that would have been underground are open

1007
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:18,719
to the air now, so you know, you're able to

1008
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:22,920
literally walk down a ramp several hundred feet into the

1009
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:23,719
core of.

1010
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: This ancient pyramid.

1011
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:32,559
Speaker 5: So it's possibility that if these were used as some

1012
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:37,440
type of energy producing structures that you know, hey, it's

1013
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,599
like like Chernoble, it may have had a meltdown.

1014
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it could be.

1015
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,079
Speaker 2: And again, if you look at the Great Pyramid as

1016
01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:47,920
an example, you know, you have the subterranean chamber, then

1017
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,199
you have the king so called King's chamber, so called

1018
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,840
Queen's chamber, and each one of those.

1019
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:55,079
Speaker 1: Resonates to a different sound frequency.

1020
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:59,559
Speaker 2: Use of Aweyan, who's our great expert, he's able to

1021
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:02,880
create the tone that makes each one of these different

1022
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:08,239
chambers resonate, like profoundly resonate. So it seems that they

1023
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:12,719
were designed, their proportions were designed, and also the fact

1024
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,679
that they were covered with granite, which again has a

1025
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:19,159
lot of courts in it. That they were vibratory structures.

1026
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:23,159
And that's what's interesting about Abu Roash. Since the pyramid

1027
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:26,039
itself has gone, you can go and you can go

1028
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:30,360
into what would have been the subterranean chamber, which shows score.

1029
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:35,199
It also shows scorch marks that don't appear to be

1030
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,480
just someone lighting a fire. It's like there was some

1031
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:42,440
kind of massive explosion that happened in the and could

1032
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,000
have blown the pyramid to pieces.

1033
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:51,719
Speaker 5: Wow, fascinating stuff. Coming back to South America. And now

1034
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:55,440
you're currently located. Do you live in Peru?

1035
01:04:56,119 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: Yes?

1036
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,159
Speaker 5: Okay, So you've done a lot of research on on

1037
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:06,599
Puma Punka and Tiwanako. What other sites that are nearby

1038
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:09,719
that you've investigated that really catch your interest in terms

1039
01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:12,119
of this ancient type of engineering.

1040
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: Well, the city of Cusco, which was the Inca capital,

1041
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:20,599
clearly was a megalithic city that the Inca people discovered

1042
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,519
a thousand years ago. There are many structures that are

1043
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:29,400
megalithic in and around Cusco of profound levels of precision.

1044
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,239
And then on the outskirts you have a site called

1045
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,280
Saksee Waman which is a megalithic wall. Some of the

1046
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,840
stones are one hundred and twenty five tons. Another site

1047
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,400
called Oyante Tambo which is in the Sacred Valley, which

1048
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:49,679
has astonishing levels of precision and the quarry for it

1049
01:05:49,719 --> 01:05:53,079
is the top of a mountain across the other side

1050
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:56,239
of the valley. And then of course famous Machu Picchu,

1051
01:05:57,239 --> 01:06:00,440
which the Inca did build, but they built it around

1052
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:04,559
a much more ancient megalithic core because the core area

1053
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,960
shows profound levels of precision, whereas the Inca period is

1054
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:15,400
simply fieldstone and local clay used as the equivalent of cement.

1055
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,880
So there are many many sites in and around Cusco

1056
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,840
that are profound.

1057
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,679
Speaker 5: You know, Machu Picchu is always something that I've been

1058
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,880
drawn to, and not only just it's such a beautiful

1059
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,480
location up in the mountains, but yet you can definitely

1060
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:39,199
see that mixture of old and much older building materials

1061
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:41,559
and technology.

1062
01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 3: One thing that comes up in some of this, you know,

1063
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:47,920
I try not to get too new agy, but.

1064
01:06:49,719 --> 01:06:51,519
Speaker 5: You know, what are your thoughts on a lot of

1065
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:56,679
these sites being located on so called lay lines or

1066
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,039
energy lines within the earth. Do you think that in

1067
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:02,920
your research that that holds any water?

1068
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 2: Well, it does, and actually I kind of you know,

1069
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,119
I didn't take that idea seriously for quite a while.

1070
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: But we had six dowsers come with us who were very.

1071
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:19,679
Speaker 2: Sensitive people and had been doing this for decades either

1072
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:23,079
from England or New Zealand, and most of their work

1073
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:25,000
was done in England because that's you know, where it's

1074
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:29,199
done more commonly, and we were able to map what

1075
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,480
it's called the path of Viracocha, which is a line

1076
01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:37,400
that travels from the northwest to the southeast through Peru

1077
01:07:37,519 --> 01:07:43,280
and Bolivia, and almost all of the megalithic sites are

1078
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,480
located exactly on this straight line. So they were able

1079
01:07:47,519 --> 01:07:51,360
to measure and map the energy at all these different

1080
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:56,119
sites and then create a map that showed how why

1081
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:01,440
these lay line energies were where they were most intense.

1082
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,559
So there is actual you know, I've seen actual evidence

1083
01:08:06,679 --> 01:08:09,519
of this inaction over the course of I think it

1084
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:10,840
was fourteen days we did this.

1085
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 5: Now, just curious, since you've been on the show of

1086
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:20,800
Ancient Aliens, which do you lean more towards in your

1087
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,760
theory that a lot of these were built by more

1088
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,439
advanced human civilizations or do you among those that think

1089
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:33,359
that possibly there were some other types of extraterrestrial influences.

1090
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,399
Speaker 2: Well, it could you know, it could be that it

1091
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,640
was done by extra or some of the work was

1092
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:44,439
done by extraterrestrials, but we don't have, you know, we

1093
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,039
don't have any super strong evidence for it. It's just

1094
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:51,159
I can't see where the cultures came from that were

1095
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:53,399
able to do some of this work. We don't see

1096
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,720
you know, evolution from you know, a more primitive state

1097
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,800
to super advance to be able to do this. It's

1098
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,399
like people simply appeared, did the work, and then disappeared somehow.

1099
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,760
They could have been wiped out by this massive cataclysm.

1100
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,279
But my mind is not closed to the possibility that

1101
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:17,239
some of this ancient megalithic work was done by people

1102
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,159
not from our genetic you know, call it not our

1103
01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:23,279
genetic bloodlines, and not necessarily from from this planet.

1104
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: And anyone who says aliens are.

1105
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: Ridiculous or UFOs or ridiculous are people who have never

1106
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,600
seen a U. I've seen UFOs, and so I've seen

1107
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,840
mysterious things. And it's a closed mind that says that

1108
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,399
we're the only you know, creation, the only intelligent life

1109
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,920
in the universe. No creator of any way, shape or

1110
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,520
form would be that simplistic to just go, oh, I'll

1111
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,920
create a blue dot and then populated with.

1112
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,119
Speaker 1: Some you know, people walking around with two legs. It's

1113
01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:51,600
just silly.

1114
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,239
Speaker 5: Now, the fact that you have actually seen UFOs from

1115
01:09:56,279 --> 01:10:02,760
these craft, have you noticed a a higher number of

1116
01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:07,159
sightings around these ancient sites compared to just other sites

1117
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:07,640
in general.

1118
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:13,119
Speaker 2: Well, in the highlands of Peru, practically everybody has seen UFOs.

1119
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:14,159
Speaker 1: It's quite amazing.

1120
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 2: They don't understand our fascination because it's something that's you

1121
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,640
know that people have had sightings for hundreds, if not

1122
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,119
thousands of years.

1123
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:23,119
Speaker 1: And.

1124
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 2: I can't think of one person I know who lives

1125
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,479
in the highlands of Peru around Cusco, for example, that

1126
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,680
hasn't had a personal sighting themselves.

1127
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:37,319
Speaker 1: And they're also I find Peruvians much more.

1128
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 2: Open minded when it comes to alternative ways of looking

1129
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:47,399
at things, or alternative realities, or the existence of something

1130
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,960
other than you know, the linear archaeology that you and

1131
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,560
I were taught in school.

1132
01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 5: That's a tough part coming from Western culture like we do,

1133
01:10:57,039 --> 01:11:01,560
or I should be more accurate Western European culture, because

1134
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,279
we are taught to be you know, if you take

1135
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,079
you know, organized religion out of it, we're taught to

1136
01:11:07,119 --> 01:11:12,159
be very scientific and analytical and fairly closed minded to

1137
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:16,079
anything that might seem mystical or other worldly. And yet

1138
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:20,199
these these what we would think of as more primitive

1139
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:24,319
cultures or the aboriginal cultures, you know, it's more open

1140
01:11:24,399 --> 01:11:27,159
to them. They're more open minded to it, they're more accepting,

1141
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,760
and they don't, like you said, they don't understand what

1142
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:30,960
the big deal is about it.

1143
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,119
Speaker 3: It's just a part of life.

1144
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 5: And it's not a threat to them to realize that

1145
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,000
there's something else out there, and something maybe even bigger

1146
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:42,159
where Western culture. That's one of the reasons why they're

1147
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:44,439
so secretive if they got to keep it quiet, because

1148
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,159
if we realize, oh my god, there are aliens out

1149
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,600
there and they are more highly advanced than us, our

1150
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,159
whole culture would just literally fall apart out of fear.

1151
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,680
Where these ancient, more ancient cultures and the Aboriginal cultures

1152
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,479
are more accepting of it, it's no big deal to them.

1153
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:03,199
So it's definitely a matter of perspective depending on where

1154
01:12:03,399 --> 01:12:04,079
where you're from.

1155
01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:08,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. But I think what it, you know,

1156
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,960
what it can teach us is modesty, which is something

1157
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:17,319
we lack. We think we're the pinnacle of human you know,

1158
01:12:17,399 --> 01:12:19,560
evolution or whatever, and I don't think we are.

1159
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: I think there were you know, we.

1160
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 2: See the obvious evidence of cultures that existed in the

1161
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,319
past that had forms of technology, which to us would

1162
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:33,159
be science fiction. And so even you know, if if

1163
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:38,319
the government were to finally release evidence of visitations from

1164
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,800
other worldly beings, it's about time that we actually accepted

1165
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,960
all of this stuff. That history is much more complex

1166
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,199
and far more intriguing than than.

1167
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:53,119
Speaker 1: What we thought. We you know, we know, and that

1168
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:55,159
makes like, that makes life more interesting.

1169
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:01,279
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly now, Well, we've got about fifteen more minutes

1170
01:13:01,359 --> 01:13:04,359
left in the program. One location that I really was

1171
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:07,039
interested to get your thoughts on, considering you live down

1172
01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:12,239
that area, would be the Nasca planes and the car

1173
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:17,600
the hieroglyphs, the hieroglyphs petroglyphs on the Nasca planes. That

1174
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,760
can you know, when we discovered them in the twentieth century,

1175
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,279
it was that they could only be seen and made

1176
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:28,039
sense from the air. Have you spent much time yourself

1177
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:29,720
investigating that area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I recently wrote a book about it, and I'm

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actually four hours drive from Nasca, So I'm in an

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area called Parrakas, which is where the geoglyphs and lines

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actually begin, which most people don't realize. They just hear Nasca,

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so they think, well, there are fifteen animal shapes on

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the ground, you know that you can only see from

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an airplane. But in fact, the whole system begins here

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on the coast of Peru and again interestingly, travels in

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a easterly direction for at least two hundred miles.

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Speaker 5: Wow, and it's it's so gigantic with all of not

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just the the the petroglyphs themselves, but the lines and

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the mountaintop that seems to have been shaved off to

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form the that perfectly flat structure. Now in the in

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the old days, around the time when Eric von Donakan

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01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,079
wrote his book Chariots of the Gods and the documentary

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01:14:31,079 --> 01:14:33,760
that came out, it was theorized that these were all

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these were landing fields, which you know, I think after

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some thought, you know, it's clear they weren't landing fields.

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But this still the mystery, it's still a big mystery

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of what they could have been used for. Not only

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what the meaning was about the giant animal drawings on

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the ground and what that would mean to people, but

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the lines themselves, perfectly straight, going for hundreds of miles

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01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,079
in so directions. Now, is it true that some of

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the lines, if you do follow them, point to other

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01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:07,399
megalithic sites.

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Speaker 2: Well, the reason why I wrote the book is because

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there are so many different theories about what they were

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used for, how they were made, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And what we do know is that.

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Speaker 2: They were created over the course of a thousand years

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from about five hundred BC until five hundred AD by

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two different cultures. The Nasca made the more famous ones

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that are in the Nasca area itself, like the spider,

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the hummingbird, what else, the.

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Speaker 1: Condor among the India.

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Speaker 2: But it's the culture that came before them, which is

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01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:53,039
actually my favorite, called the Parrakas, and they actually are

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01:15:53,079 --> 01:15:56,319
the ones who created this this massive geoglyph that you

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can only see from the ocean or the sky called

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01:16:00,119 --> 01:16:03,520
the candelabra, which is almost five hundred feet tall on

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the side of a mountain.

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Speaker 1: And then they created hundreds of.

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Speaker 2: Other smaller ones along this pathway heading towards Nasca.

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Speaker 3: Incredible.

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01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, that big candelabra which can be seen coming in

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01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:24,119
from the coat. Now there's also the spaceman. That's also

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01:16:24,359 --> 01:16:28,680
the waving the waving human figure that's on the coastline.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh sorry, but he actually is in the Nasca area,

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and even archaeologists admit that the Parakas culture created that

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before the existence of the Nasca.

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Speaker 1: So he does appear to be waving at something.

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Speaker 3: But it's still we don't know what.

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01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: We don't know what, but it's you know, I've flown

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over it.

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Speaker 2: Twenty times, and you can't really see it from the ground,

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so he's waving at something in the air.

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Speaker 5: There is similar large petro glyphs even in the United

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States in the We were recently talking with author Ron

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01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,479
Felber who wrote a book called the Mahave Incident, and

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in the High Desert of California, in the Mahave Desert,

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:22,640
there are large petroglyphs that are very reminiscent of the

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Nasca lines. Not you know, they're not as well known either,

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01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:28,399
but you can't see what they are from the ground,

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01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,920
but they can only be seen from the air. There's

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also the Snake Mound in in North America as well,

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01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,239
so a lot of these. Naska isn't the only one

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01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:44,560
that have all these different types of structures or glyphs

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that can only be seen from the air. Irene, do

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you what do you think you have a question?

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Speaker 3: Irene?

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Speaker 4: Oh No, I was just looking at it on the

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desk top here and they reminded me of the one

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01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:06,680
in England, Lvington and things. We've got quite a few

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over here and they're all on chalk soil, right.

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Speaker 2: So the contrast is really profound between the white shark

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and the green grass.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very very very cold. You know, they are absolutely fantastic,

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and I've seen them as we've been driving along various

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roads up on the hiltops. We've got a man as well,

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but I don't remember what he's called now, the old

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man of something or other.

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Speaker 5: So again, all of this is very interesting, especially the

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fact that these things could only really be seen from

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the air, which begs the question did there used to

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be some type of air travel. It seems to me

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that it's a distinct possibility. If we look at the

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fact that the technology used to build these these monuments,

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these structures is more advanced than what we have today,

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then it's quite possible that early cultures had also mastered

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some forms of aerodynamics, aerodynamic flight or even powered flight.

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Speaker 4: Why animals, Why animals, It's a good question, what do

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you think, Brian.

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Speaker 2: That's actually that's a very good question. You know, of

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course there are in different ancient cultures. You have tootemic

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01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:36,600
animals that are important to different cultures, and so you

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01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,640
know the humming bird, You know the hummingbird. Do you

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have the spider, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: That's thing that will have to be researched more.

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Speaker 2: The unfortunate thing is that the and Aska culture themselves

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more or less disappeared about six hundred AD because the

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area became extreme desert and they couldn't survive anymore. What's

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known is some of the lines, in fact, are maps

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of underground streams and rivers, and that was one of

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01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:11,199
the functions of the lines, and they were able to

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map and then tap into some of these underground streams

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for irrigation. But the actual symbolism behind the animals I

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don't know yet.

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Speaker 3: Fascinating.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're coming up on the end of the program, Brian.

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Can you tell people where they can get hold of

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your books and also how they can find you online?

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01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Actually the best website is my main website, which is

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hidden incaturs dot com, and from there you can get

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01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:48,199
links to my YouTube channel that has about eight hundred videos.

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Speaker 1: And then access to books.

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01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 2: My books are on Amazon, but my website itself has

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01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:01,319
lots of audio and video interviews, you know, the books

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and articles and photos and stuff like that. And of

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course this one will be put on as soon as

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I get the link.

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Speaker 3: You got it.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much for coming on the show today.

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This has really been a fascinating discussion. It's a it's

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a subject close to my heart. So really honor and

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01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,800
a pleasure to speak with you today.

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01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,159
Speaker 1: Oh thank you both and Mark. Anytime you want me

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01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:26,479
back on, just give me the call.

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Speaker 3: Sure thing.

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01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 5: Well, Brian, thanks for coming on, and thank you everyone

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for listening to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 5: Jimmy Church with Fade Black is coming up next. We'll

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catch you next week, so have a great weekend everybody.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you later.

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Speaker 4: Goodbye.