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Speaker 5: And welcome back everyone to Unknown Origins Radio. This is
Mark Johnson and Irene Allen Block and Uh, I'm really
excited to introduce our guest for tonight.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: He has a his own YouTube series that I've been
following for a while now and it's a subject that's
near and dear to my heart. Is the author of
sixteen books and currently lives down in South America and
explores all the ancient structures down there in Tijuanaco and
all the other locations. So I wanted to welcome Brian
Forster to the program tonight.
Speaker 3: How are you today? Brian?
Speaker 1: Very fine? Thank you Mark.
Speaker 5: Now, Brian, I was wondering, before we get into a
lot of your research, if you could just tell our
listeners for those people who may not be familiar with you,
just a little bit about yourself and what got you
into doing all this investigation into these old megalithic works
in South America.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been fascinated since childhood with ancient mysteries, and
I think most children are like They're fascinated by the Sphinx,
Lost Worlds, Atlantis, etc. And so I've been fortunate enough
to start traveling beginning at the age of sixteen of
been to more than eighty countries, and in the last
ten years my fascination has been with Peru and Bolivia.
And the main reason why I've been exploring the megalithic
structures is because conventional academics and archaeologists don't understand that
these are far more complicated and more ancient than what
they will admit.
Speaker 5: Well, it's not only that they they are indoctrinated. It
seems to follow whatever the party line is for established history,
and you don't rock the boat. I've heard so many
stories of archaeologists and other researchers who get banned or
blackballed if they even try to suggest anything different, as
in that there was probably far more advanced civilizations that
existed way before the time period.
Speaker 3: That they tell us.
Speaker 5: You know, right now, standard history says civilization has started
about five to six years ago in Samaria and then
in Egypt, and it almost completely ignores what's going on
down in.
Speaker 3: South America or even in North America.
Speaker 5: And doesn't want to admit the fact that these civilizations
may have been around for tens or even.
Speaker 3: Hundreds of thousands of years.
Speaker 5: So it's it's an uphill struggle to try to get
people to accept some of these new ideas and theories.
And this is why we do this show, because you know,
we don't like to tow the party line, and we
will want to get to the bottom of it. So
now you've also explored not only down in South America,
but also in Egypt as well.
Speaker 2: Correct, that's right, and also the British Isles, Polynesia, New
Zealand and other places too. But the main, you know,
the main really interesting stuff as far as I'm concerned,
is in Peru, Bolivia, Egypt, Lebanon, and Turkey.
Speaker 5: One of the sites that really gets me that I'm
probably the most fascinated in is Boma Punka, and I
really started to learn a lot about that watching the
Ancient Aliens Show, of course, which you, of course have
appeared on over ten episodes.
Speaker 3: I hear, yeah, fifteen, I think now, oh great.
Speaker 5: And a couple of years ago I had Philip Coppins
on the show before he passed away. Wonderful gentleman, and
he's one of the first people that really opened my
eyes to the Puma Punka site and I started looking
more into it and those blocks and the cutting that
they did is so incredibly precise.
Speaker 3: It looks like a.
Speaker 5: Laser did it, and it had to be with advanced tools,
and yet modern science and archaeology would try to have
us believe that, you know, Stone Age people with copper
tools chiseled these things out. I was wondering if you
could talk about a little bit on the type of
machining that was done on those blocks compared to could
it be done with copper tools?
Speaker 1: Well, excellent question.
Speaker 2: And the great thing is that you know, as I
explore these sites over and over again, I bring experts
in other fields with me, like geologists, engineers, machinists, etc.
So really the it's the archaeologists themselves who have not
reached out to these other disciplines to try to find
out how the stone at Pumapunku was in fact cut,
but you are correct.
Speaker 1: The precision is astonishing.
Speaker 2: It's almost laser perfect, or at least within two or
three ten thousands of an inch of being perfectly flat,
and that cannot be achieved using hand tools of any kind,
whether there are copper, bronze, or even steel. This is
technical precis which I would say is twent century, if
not beyond twenty first century technology.
Speaker 5: So if it's beyond twenty first century technology, what are
some of the theories that you may have, either you know,
you push yourself or in some of your colleagues on
how some of these blocks could have been made to
such a fine precision.
Speaker 2: Well, the other amazing thing is the fact that the
stone is not local the gray and To site blocks
which make up most of Puma Punku. There's also red sandstone.
Those are the two types of stone. The sandstone comes
from about six miles away, and one of the blocks
that remains at Puma Punku is one hundred and thirty
one tons. And then the other stone, the gray and
To site, comes from the top of an extinct volcano
which is about fifty miles away.
Speaker 1: So not only is it a question of the prescient decision.
Speaker 2: But how could primitive people have moved multi ton blocks
of stone over very rough, mountainous terrain, over you know,
great distances like that. It's highly unlikely, if not impossible.
Speaker 5: The one question I would have is with the amount
of stones and the incredible size and weight of these stones,
many many tons, could we lift them today with today's technology.
Speaker 2: Well, we do have cranes that can do that today,
you know, that can reasonably easily pick up I think
one hundred tons or so.
Speaker 1: But you know, the.
Speaker 2: Main thing is that there's no way that the so
called Tiwanaku culture could have cut the blocks from the quarry,
moved them from the quarry to their present location, and
fit them or cut them so tightly and flat that
they fit together perfectly so that you can't.
Speaker 1: Fit a huge and hair in the joins.
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's way beyond any Bronze Age civilization.
Speaker 3: I was pausing, Irene, are you there, un mute, I've.
Speaker 4: Done it again, Ran. You talk about these sites for
these stones, coming from quite a distance way, it's like
Stonehenge hair with the bluestones and everything. Do you find
this is something on all these sites. But you're.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. What seems obvious is that
whoever did this work. You know, Stonehenges is physically a
lot cruder construction than the stuff we find in Peru,
Bolivia and Egypt. But it's clear that whoever these ancient
others were, they selected very specific stones, so they would
go whatever distance was required in order to access stone
that had the exact properties that they were looking for.
And your point about Stonehenge is clear that the stones
came from Wales were somehow moved across the landscape to
Salisbury Plain where they exist today, and that's exactly what
we find in Peru, Bolivia and Egypt.
Speaker 5: What's always amazed me is the distances that Stone Age
people would have to transport these blocks. Let's just say,
if they had cranes that can do it.
Speaker 3: It just seems to me.
Speaker 5: That even with today's technology, we may have cranes that
can lift blocks that far, but could they also transport
them hundreds of miles? I mean, how feasible would be
the logistics of building something let's say the same size
as Tijuanaco with the pyramids there, with those types of
large blocks and transporting them the distance that they did
in a relative short period of time.
Speaker 1: No, that's an excellent point.
Speaker 2: And even more extreme examples would be Egypt, where we
find stone that or at least the granite which is
in the core of the Great Pyramid comes from Aswan.
One of the blocks is at least eighty tons, and
as one is five hundred miles away from the Giza plateau.
And an even more extreme example is at Bulbeck and Lebanon.
We've discovered at least three hundred columns of solid pink
granite there that seem to have been transported from the
Aswan quarry, and that's a distance of a thousand miles.
Speaker 3: It's just it boggles the mind.
Speaker 5: And then you know, you could think that, okay, well,
if this is where the materials were, why transport them
such great distances? What was so important about these sites,
these locations that they had to build on this site,
but yet we had to get the stone five hundred
miles away. Why couldn't they use local building materials?
Speaker 2: Well, the key seems to be the composition of the
stone granite is quite high in quartz crystal, and we
know that quartz is used today in modern computers and
even you know, crystal radios and watches and all sorts
of things. So it seems to be an acoustic or
energetic property that made these ancient builders go these vast
distances to find stone that was high in quartz content
in general, or in some cases iron, but all materials
that could either you know, that were very useful for
sound or other energetic properties.
Speaker 1: That seems to be why.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 5: Unmute, Yeah, I'm gonna have to go in this later,
so go ahead.
Speaker 4: What I'm trying to work at is how have they
actually measured it the quotes and one thing or another,
you know, the amount of energy coming from that stone.
It's not as if they had a guide to count
the type thing or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Did they Well we have no Yeah, we have no
idea what kind of technology, you know, That's the astonishing thing.
We don't know what kind of technology was used in
the case of some of these constructions, because in the
case of Punku, at least, you can't find any tool
marks whatsoever. And that's why people tend to think that
the blocks were poured concrete, because it's that perfect. That's
one of the great mysteries and engineers who have accompanied
me to scratch their heads.
Speaker 1: Even Masiness, who know.
Speaker 2: How to make parts for jet you know, finds for
jet engines using very complex machines, just look at the
stone and say, I don't know how we today could
cut it with that level of precision.
Speaker 5: The precision alone, I mean we're dealing with several factors here.
First of all, in some of these locations, the precision
is incredible. I mean at Puma Pulka, the the sharp,
clearly sharp lines that these blocks look like they came
out of molds, and yet they are made of the
local andesite, which is a very hard, hard material compared
to and I'm having a brain freeze right now that
what's this the one site that's just that's very nearby
with the interlocking blocks that that you can't fit the
mortar between what's the name of that site?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: With Tiuanaco, it was a different type of construction. Uh,
it's very relatively close by. But yet instead of having
these pre formed blocks, they were able to take blocks
and cut them almost like taking string through cheese and
cutting them at wildly different angles to get them all
to fit together so perfectly that there's no mortar. And
yet these stone blocks create walls that are dozens of
feet high and have survived for centuries.
Speaker 1: Or thousands of years.
Speaker 5: Well, and now let me ask you this because I'm
not a geologist, although I took geologists in school. It's
how much erosion can occur over thousands.
Speaker 3: Of years if these blocks.
Speaker 5: And that's one thing that I'm curious if there was
any measurements taken on the type of erosion on these blocks.
Measure you know, trying to carbon dates. You can't carbon
date stone. But to try to determine the age of
these blocks that they're cut for use for these stone,
how can we tell the age based on weathering? And
do we notice a lot of weathering on these blocks.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of variation. And the what we're
starting to find out is that the Puma Punku Tiwanaku site,
they're actually the same site. It's just that archaeologists have
decided to give them different names and put different fences
around them. But we have increasing evidence that the whole
area was hit by a massive wall of mud and
that much of it was buried. So once the archaeologists
began to uncover the area about one hundred years ago,
they literally were digging down and finding multi ton blocks
under the earth, and so those ones are almost perfect,
have the perfect surfaces, whereas ones that have been on
the surface for you know, at least two thousand, not
many more thousands of years, they show quite extensive weather
because it's quite a nasty location. It's a thirteen thousand
feet altitude. It rains there almost every day. It's usually
bitterly cold, and when the sun comes out, there's no
ultraviolet protection, so it's not the most pleasant to spend
too much time.
Speaker 5: It sounds like when I've been to the top of
Pike's Peak in Colorado when I visit my family, I
know what it's like being up that high and sucking wind.
And if you're not used to it, you gotta be
careful because you can get altitude sicnics of sickness very easily,
which I have. The blocks at Puma Punka, if they
were all buried in mud, was there enough of the
site sticking out of the ground that they were able
to realize that there was something there? I mean, how
was it first discovered?
Speaker 1: Well, the basic history is that.
Speaker 2: You know, the famous Tiwanaku culture that archaeologists think built
it abandoned the site about a thousand years ago because
of the influx of more or less marauding local.
Speaker 1: Native people who took over.
Speaker 2: And ever since the Tiwanaku people left, the site has
been used as a quarry, both by the people who
overtook and then by the Spanish and then the you know,
the colonial Bolivians used dynamite to blow a partts of
the site up to take the stone to Lapase for
building construction. And finally they built a railroad about one
hundred years ago going close by, and again they used
dynamite and blew a lot of puma, punku and tiwanaku
up in order to make gravel for the bed of
the railway. So it's it's had a very tragic history that.
Speaker 5: Just really infuriates me when I hear that there is
I just read a story today about a Native American
burial ground that some some company wants to tear down
to put up a Sam's club and here in the States,
and I just like just shake my head and go,
what is wrong with people?
Speaker 3: But you know, that's the mentality.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of people, a lot of average people
don't have that respect for the past, and they don't
realize that a lot of the answers to what is
going on with human history can be found in researching
the past. You know, most kids are bored in school.
They think, oh, you're just memorizing dates and things and
it's not important. You know, how am I going to
use this in my everyday life? Well, you know, the
history that they're teaching in school. Now, you may not
learn that much depending on what you want to do
with life. But if if you want a deeper understanding
of human history and what really happened to humanity, then
you really have to look into the past and look
what's happening with these cultures and don't just take the
you know, the current academic view point, because in my opinion,
from all the research I've done, it's wrong. Now, I
don't automatically jump on the ancient aliens bandwagon. I mean,
it's an interesting theory, but a lot of what I
know in talking with people such as yourself and other experts,
it seems to me that human history is far older
than we know, and we may have had more advanced
civilizations on this planet that go far beyond our current
recorded human history, that could go back tens or not
hundreds of thousands of years, and whatever cataclysms come up
seems to wipe the slate clean and then we start
all over again from scratch.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: The one cataclysm that constantly comes up, and you had
mentioned it in some of your videos that you put online,
is the fact of the time of the Great Flood,
which seems to have been a worldwide cataclysm and if
you ask some people, may have been a cataclysm that
affects in the entire Solar system and a lot of
these uh, there was one of the first Ancient Aliens
shows dealt with the fact that Puma Punka, as you mentioned,
was hit by by mud and a wall of mud
and water. Could it have been destroyed in the Great
Flood or what is your thought on that?
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's excellent, and you're completely right in that
conventional history is boring and completely inaccurate because we've been
taught since we were kids that you know, you start
off with primitive hunter gatherers all over the planet, and
then they form little communities and villages and then you
get you know, civilization starting to form, and it's you know,
it's like this linear evolution, which is completely incorrect when
you look at the science, and you see that cataclysms
have happened on the planet on average once every thirteen
thousand years. And as you said, what this would do
is it would wipe the slave clean. An ancient high
technology or sophisticated culture would have been decimated by such
an event, and all that would remain would be stone artifacts.
And that's exactly what we're looking at when we look
at these enigmatic structures in Peru, Bolivia, Egypt, and other locations.
Speaker 1: So we do have actual tangible.
Speaker 2: Evidence of very sophisticated people existing in the past, at
least as sophisticated as us, and so that opens the
door to the idea scientifically that human history is far
more complex and intriguing than what we've been taught, and
we're looking at exactly that idea that Puma Punku may
have been hammered by this cataclysmic event that was global
in nature and happened right at the end of the
last Ice Age.
Speaker 5: Now, one of your other videos, when you were in Egypt,
you posted about the Great Pyramids and the fact that
you know, the Pyramids used to be encased in a
capstone of limestone, and most of that is all gone
and stripped away, and you know, the current archaeological and
historic theory is all that you know that was scavenged,
taken off the pyramids and used to build Cairo and
other locations.
Speaker 3: But there's the Great Pyramid, was the Great Pyramid of.
Speaker 5: Cufu, where you still have part of the capstone at
the top of the pyramid. That's right, Yeah, And you
you had talked about the idea about that could have
been where the water floodwater came through. I mean, I mean,
could you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Well, the more you know, the more that I visit
Egypt and the more that I'm in contact on the
ground with you know, with the experts of the area,
it looks like ancient Egypt was again hammered by this
cataclysmic event, which we believe was about.
Speaker 1: Nine thousand, seven hundred years ago.
Speaker 2: And since it was of a global nature and was devastating,
we think that the Great Pyramid and the other two
pyramids on the Giza Plateau were in fact energetic structures.
They didn't necessarily conduct electricity, but they were energetic in nature,
and that when this cataclysm happened, it caused an overload
of the entire system and rather than the skin of
the pyramids being slowly picked off by the people living
after the Dynastic Egyptians, that actually the pyramids shed their
skin because there was such a violent event happening to them.
So it's like the insulation exterior fell off. And then
later when the cultures came.
Speaker 1: To bill Cairo, they didn't pull the pieces off the pyramid.
Speaker 2: They simply picked up what was on the ground.
Speaker 5: The there's every culture on this planet. Fact, practically every
culture that I'm aware of lists that there is a
great they have a great floods myth, and starting with
Samerian culture is probably one of the oldest myths, but
you can even find it in South America, in.
Speaker 3: Asia, all Africa, all over the world.
Speaker 5: So something pretty devastating would have had to have hit
the earth, whether we're talking about maybe a meteor strike,
cause lifting up all the materials from the ocean and
covering the world is a possibility or some other possibility,
it's just something definitely happened. And if you start to
think of hearing, you start to think about the other
ancient civilizations that supposedly flourished and then had a catastrophic end,
like Atlantis, or Lemuria, and you know, no moderns. I'm
gonna have to say some Brian, we're getting a really
wicked feedback here, electronic feedback. Do you hear that?
Speaker 1: Actually? I think I could do something about that, if
you can give me a second.
Speaker 3: Sure, Okay, that's better.
Speaker 4: I wonder what that was.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 4: So I was being contacted by aliens then high pitched
sound in my eads.
Speaker 3: We'll just go an extra minute and I'll cut that out.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that. It's actually someone working on our
house with.
Speaker 1: An angel group.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought. It was affecting the person, not
a problem.
Speaker 1: So I've asked him to not do anything for an hour.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're good. We'll just go right back into it.
Speaker 5: So the ancient cultures, the ancient stories of great highly
advanced civilizations like Atlantis, Lemuria, you know, modern archaeology just
poo poos it and says not it can't happen. And
yet it seems to be with these other advanced civilizations
like Egypt could be far older than we realize. The
locations in Peru and Bolivia could be a lot older
than we realized. I mean, what do you think the
chances are that these advance civilizations may have been all
over the globe at an ancient time.
Speaker 2: Well, the important thing is that we're gathering more and
more actual scientific evidence that this was the case, and
we we have, unfortunately let archaeologists be the sole experts.
Speaker 1: But when you bring.
Speaker 2: When you bring geologists in like doctor Robert Shock and engineers,
et cetera, were able to see that there is increasing
evidence that there were very advanced civilizations that were devastated
in you know, most recently again about eleven to twelve
years ago by this global catastrophic event. And there are
many theories about this which all actually dovetail each other,
and what they're basically saying is that this event that
happened which caused the end of the last Ice Age,
and actually the end of the Ice Age didn't take
the thousands of years, but was almost spontaneous. Doctor Robert
Shock believes that the melting of the poles at the
end of the last Ice Age could have taken as
little as two weeks and that caused the Earth's oceans
to rise very rapidly by three hundred feet, so that
would have buried many civilizations that were near any coastline
at that time, and all of that water being redistributed
around the planet would have caused increased pressure on the
crust of the Earth, resulting in massive earthquake and volcanic activity.
So there are more than two hundred cultures from around
the world to talk about this ancient flood that happened,
and I think the timeline we're looking at is around
eleven thousand, seven hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, we're going to go to our first break
and when we come back, we're going to be talking
more with Brian Forrester. And don't go away.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Unknown Origins Video here on KGRA, the
Global Radio Alliance. We'll be right back, and we're back
with Unknown Origins Radio. I'm Mark Johnson with Irene Allen
Block and our guest tonight is Brian Forrester, author of
sixteen books and has appeared on television shows Ancient Aliens,
and we're discussing ancient megalithic sites all across the world,
especially in Egypt and South America. Now, one question something
that kind of hit my mind before we went on.
Speaker 3: Break, is the idea that.
Speaker 5: The idea that in the past we think of, you know,
civilization came later, like Egypt was built after supposedly these cataclysms,
and they talk about other advanced civilizations like Atlantis and Lemuria.
But it started to occur to me that if if
it Atlantis is, if Egypt I'm sorry, is really as
old as we think it is, If it's much older
than five thousand, seven thousand years old and goes back ten,
twelve or even twenty thousand years with the building of
the pyramids, couldn't we possibly be looking at Egypt maybe
being a site of or one of these other sites
that we know of today, like the Samerian civilization, the
Egyptian civilization. Maybe that's where some of these other ancient
civilizations were located. Egypt could have been Atlantis.
Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Well, well, the interesting thing is that Plato, you know,
when Plato learned about Atlantis, which was like third, fourth
or fifth hand information, because he learned from Solon, who
was a Greek who learned it from the Egyptians themselves.
So he dated Atlantis as being nine thy six hundred
years before his time, and then when we tack on
the amount of time since he died, again that makes
it about eleven thousand, seven hundred years ago, so he's
talking about the same time frame as as when this
global cataclysm occurred. And what seems painfully obvious about ancient
Egypt is that about five to six thousand years ago,
the ancestors of the Dynastic Egyptians moved into the Nile
Delta or the Nile area, and they discovered that there
were these massive structures there, such as the pyramids on
the Geesea Plateau and some others, and they were in
such awe and the fact that the Nile was and
is the lifeblood for food of the area, that they
simply built their constructions in the same area. And unfortunately
archaeologists won't accept that, but it's clearly the case that
they discovered the remnants of an ancient, advanced civilization and
then they constructed their buildings around and through and sometimes
on top of these more ancient works.
Speaker 5: Could you go into a little bit more detail about
what the purpose of the pyramids, especially the the pyramids
on the Giza Plateau what there? You mentioned that they
were probably power generation sources.
Speaker 2: Well energy, yeah, energetic, and that's what we're what we're
seeing at many different eight, you know, superagent sites. They
dealt with energy of some kind, but more subtle than
what you know, what we deal with today, as.
Speaker 1: In electricity, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So the the theory that we're working on now is
that and there isn't again evidence for this, is that
what most people don't understand is that there are a
whole series of tunnels and shafts underneath the Giza Plateau.
The go down hundreds of feet and if you follow
the direction of where the tunnels go to, they in
fact go to where the not only where the Nile is,
but where the ancient Nile was, which was a much
more massive river twelve thousand plus years ago.
Speaker 1: So it seems that whoever these.
Speaker 2: Ancient builders were, they built these tunnels to move water
from the ancient Nile to go under the Giza plateau.
Speaker 1: And because the proportions of the tunnels was.
Speaker 2: Very particular, that set up different energies and frequencies, and
that energy was then conducted above ground through the pyramids.
Speaker 1: And that's, you know, that's why the pyramids were built.
Speaker 2: They were energetic facilities that possibly generated a subtle kind
of energy, almost like a Wi Fi or something like that,
to conduct either sound, healing energy maybe you know, maybe
information as well. But that's the theory we're working on.
Speaker 5: What about the astrological alignments for these? Uh, for a
lot of these sites, like the Great Pyramids in the
Giesa Pyramids, they which appeared to line up with the
constellation of Orion's belt.
Speaker 3: That many sites, these huge.
Speaker 5: Structures being built, like Stonehenge in England and measuring the
calendar year and the solstices. But in other like in
location where I think it's the Great the shaft in
the Great Pyramid which points towards a particular star. You know,
if these if if a lot of these like the
Pyramids were used as a power generation source, what do
you think the purpose was of the astrological alignments.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a really good point.
Speaker 2: Almost any ancient structure located anywhere on the planet was
used for astronomical alignments, you know, such as Stonehenge of
course with the heelstone which is for I think summer solstice.
So almost every ancient structure has solar alignments as well
as lunar alignments to some degree in other stars. I
believe it's the star series that the shaft of the
Great pyramid points to in terms of Egypt, it could
be that the perfect alignment didn't have anything to do
with astronomy as much as it did having to be
located on the Earth's energetic grid system, and so in
that case there may have been a reason why it
points almost perfectly to the cardinal directions.
Speaker 5: It seems to me, you know, it's more than just
aligning the pyramids or a lot of these structures just
to keep track of the calendar of the year. Because
if they had the advanced technology, and I'm making a
big leap here, so I could be completely wrong, but
if they had the advanced technology to build these incredible
structures using technology way more advanced than what we have today,
it seems to me that they'd also be able to
have a very simple calendar and not need to use
these big structures as part of their calendar. So the
question for me is was it done you know, out
of some type of you know, feng shui, that this
is the way they aligned everything astronomically because that's just
the way they liked to do it, or you know,
was there some kind of deeper meaning, some type of
connection by aligning these in specific places pointed at specific
parts in the sky that that you know, was a
function of some of these things other than just you know,
measuring when the sun was going to come up on
the solstice.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a that's a great point.
Speaker 2: And the thing is you don't have to do anything
massive in order to be able to figure out, you know,
when summer solstice is. All you have to do is
stick or you know, two rocks in a field. But
the point to that they don't even have to have
to be big rocks. I think, though, what we're looking
at is something much more subtle, and the level of
knowledge and capability of these ancient people, I think is
far beyond us.
Speaker 1: And so I think what they.
Speaker 2: Were doing is they were lining these structures up along
energetic grids, which are natural which which the Earth creates naturally,
and by also utilizing and moving water, then you could
on some levelergy energize water or set up subtle currents
of energy and electricity using both the energy.
Speaker 1: Of the Earth and the movement of water.
Speaker 2: And that's the theory that we're working on at present.
Speaker 3: Very interesting. The sites in South America.
Speaker 5: Again, we're talking looking specifically at Puma Punka and Timonaco.
You mentioned there at such high elevations, to the point
where you've really got to take it easy, because thirteen
fourteen thousand feet is if you're not used to it
can really do you in. And even if you are
used to it, you still got to be careful to
the oxygen deprivation. So it makes me question why on
Earth would they build these sites at such a high elevation.
What could possibly be the purpose of those locations that.
Speaker 3: Would be so important.
Speaker 5: You mentioned that there's possibly certain minerals buried in there,
but has there been any evidence that you found in
your research on why they were built on these particular spots.
Speaker 2: Well, the theory that I'm working on now is that
the original intention of Puma Punku and t Wanaku as
well as you know, as well as sites in Egypt
and other sites in Peru. In you know, they're automatically
labeled as being religious in nature, but I think they
were much more pragmatic originally in function. And the Andes
area where Puma Punku and t Wanaku are located are
very abundant to this very day in metals like gold, silver, tin, copper, arsenic,
and I think they were originally constructed as as mining
facilities or processing facilities. And what we're finding out now
using ground penetrating radiar is that there are a number
of chambers underground at these locations which archaeologists do know
about but are hesitant to excavate because that will open
up an incredible historical can of worms and show that
the sites are far more complicated than what they're trying
to allude to.
Speaker 5: Well, isn't that a problem in Egypt that you know
that there is a what's the right way of putting this?
They're not very open to the fact of trying to
find these new discoveries because again, it could open the
can of worms. A good case in point is the
chamber that supposedly risks underneath the Sphinx, the Pause of
the Sphinx, that's been rumored to have been there for
many years, and yet they've never really did at any
serious attempts to try to excavate to see if there's
something down there.
Speaker 2: Well, I ask you, that's a great case in point,
and there is a lot of evidence that there is
a large chamber under the pause. And the reason we
know that is that doctor Robert Shock did ground penetrating radar,
and they found that there was this large cavity, but
the authorities in Egypt refused to let them do any
excavation whatsoever. However, the more interesting story is that when
you visit the Sphinx today, there is a wooden set
of stairs that take you down to where the pose
of the Sphinx are, and then there's a wooden platform
that they've built. And what you can see by looking
at the ground around the area is that clearly they
have found the chamber under the Sphinx, and they've already done.
Speaker 1: They've already done excavations. But they do this.
Speaker 2: Probably around midnight to two o'clock in the morning, and
so the wooden platform was made to hide the evidence
that they've already accessed the chamber.
Speaker 3: Ah. Doesn't that just make you so frustrated? Ah?
Speaker 5: You know, it's when they do things like this in
secret and they keep it from the public, and they
don't want to share it because God forbids we learned
some information that upsets our perception of the universe and
our history, and you know, we just we don't want
to upset anybody.
Speaker 3: So let's just you know, keep.
Speaker 5: Them believing, you know, whatever they're believing now and so.
Speaker 4: This is so this has never been released to the public, then.
Speaker 1: No, And actually the thing is that that's the great thing.
Speaker 2: About actually going to these places is I think it
was last year, which was my third trip, and I
was I took an electronic level with me to see,
how you know, to see how level or flat the
surface around the sphinx was, and I found out that
it's when within one.
Speaker 1: Degree of being perfect, which is wild.
Speaker 2: And then because I was looking at the ground and
I was about to climb onto the you know, the platform,
I noticed that it changed from being bedrocked to all
of a sudden, there are these blocks of stone.
Speaker 1: And so I turned to my friend Mohammad, who is.
Speaker 2: Our guide, and I said, it looks like there's a construction,
you know, that these blocks are covering some kind of
construction underneath, and he said, yes, this is the chamber
that's underneath the posit the sphinx. So I filmed, you know,
I filmed it like Matt and took photographs as evidence
of the fact. That also, my friends, the Alwians, who
are the you know, true experts of ancient Egypt, and
they live across the street from the Sphinx for years.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the night, all of a.
Speaker 2: Sudden, these giant spotlights turn on in that area and
other areas on the plateau. Massive machinery is up there
doing something. But by dawn all the lights are turned
off and all the machinery's gone. So someone's doing secret
excavations there.
Speaker 4: Somebody's trying to hide something exactly.
Speaker 5: Is this relatively recent or or has this been something
in the last couple of years, or is it maybe
happened several years ago. I'm trying to deter I just
wondering if it happened under the Zawie Hawas regime or
is this something more recent.
Speaker 1: No, this is under the Zavi and Sahi regime.
Speaker 3: Gee, big surprise there. Yeah yeah, yeah, you notice I
don't really have a lot of respect for mister Haas.
I yeah, this is true. Oh good lord.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you some questions about the Sphinx, Okay,
because I think the sphinx is certainly one of the
most enigmatic structures that ever built by mankind, and the.
Speaker 3: Way it sits there on the Gizat Plateau.
Speaker 5: First of all, it's down in its own almost like
it's like a pit and it looks like it's constructed
with all these blocks but from the paw. But it
seems like and again based on what I've seen on
some of your videos, that you think the sphinx itself
might have been carved out of the ground, out of
the bedrock itself.
Speaker 1: Well, definitely it was.
Speaker 2: And that's what people don't realize unless they've probably been there,
is the sphinx is inside what's this enclosure? And so
it was dug out of the ground and not sand
like we're talking sandstone. It was originally one solid piece
of stone, but repair work started during dynastic times, and
so the weight that it was excavated originally or was
made originally was multi ton blocks of stone were cut
out of the bedrock and then moved to the front
of where the sphinx is, and that's where the Sphinx
Temple was constructed, which is megalithic. So it's not like
a bunch of a Egyptians with axes or chisels were
carving the sphinx out. Multi ton blocks were removed, and
the ancient Egyptians, at least the Dynastic Egyptians, didn't have
that technology.
Speaker 1: Originally, the sphinx was simply.
Speaker 2: There was what was called a yardang, which is this
bulge of limestone that stood up above the limestone plane area,
and so the whole body was carved out, with the
yar dang becoming the head. And more than two hundred
geologists from around the world agree that the original weathering
of the sphinx was done by rain, not by sand,
and so that would date the weathering of the sphinx
itself as being at least ten thousand years old.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Now here's the other question. The head of the sphinx
as it currently stands is modeled after a pharaoh with
a traditional Egyptian headdress, and it's been commented on many
times that the head is disproportionally small to the body
of the sphinx. In other words, it seems like the
sphinx had a different head or was a different type
of structure at one point and then recarved later during
Egyptian times.
Speaker 3: Is that your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Definitely, because the weathering on the head is less than
on the body, so clearly it has been recarved. I
think that the sphinx originally was a great lion and
through weathering, et cetera. One of the Dynastic Egyptians decided
to have the head recarved, either to look like himself
or look like a member of his family. But the
face has definitely been recarved at least once, if not
many times.
Speaker 3: Now it does not go ahead, no go ahead, ariy.
Speaker 4: Is that true that this sphin says one long single stone.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was originally, but even Kufu's son, I believe Cofry.
It's documented that he had teams of people do repair work,
so it's unlikely that you know, most archaeologists think his
father ordered it to be constructed or excavated, but it's
unlikely that the weathering would have been so excessive that
repair work would have had to be done twenty years later.
So that gives us another idea that it's much much older,
and like the Giza Platau Pyramids, that the sphinx was
there when the Dynastic Egyptian showed up.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Is it possible?
Speaker 5: And again the two I have two questions in one,
so I'm trying to figure out how to ask this
to keep them in perspective. Now it is the sphinx,
Is it considered to be the same age as the
Pyramids or older.
Speaker 1: It's considered to be contemporary.
Speaker 2: You know, if you look at conventional archaeology, it's believed
to be contemporary with the construction of the Great Pyramids.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I think it's even older. Some theories are that it's
thirty five thousand years old. It's definitely older than ten thousand,
because the weathering tells us that if you look at
reasonably detailed pictures, you'll notice all these vertical lines, erosion
lines coming down, and so that tells you that that's precipitation.
Speaker 1: That's not sand.
Speaker 2: Sand would be horizontal weathering, but you have all this
vertical weathering, and climate models have shown that the last
time that that part of Egypt had any rain of
any significance, especially enough to be able to erode stone,
was a minimum of ten thousand years ago.
Speaker 5: So if the and here's that's what I wanted to know.
So that's going to lead into this question. If the
Sphinx is older than the Pyramids, hypothetically, then what would
be the purpose of creating this large lion carving in
the middle of the desert with nothing else around that
is the same age, which makes me wonder was it
a lion, was it a statue? Or possibly was it
originally constructed to be something completely different and then over
time other civilizations came in or for whatever reasons that
it was chipped away at recarved and eventually made to
look more like a monument rather than some kind of
structure that had a purpose. And again that's all coming
totally off the top of my head, but that's just
something that's bugging me about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that bugs me about it too, because you know,
being that it's a sculpture, what we find and in
the pre dynastic works such as the Great Pyramids and
especially the interior of the Great Pyramids, and in the
tunnel systems such as you'll have to look up the
Serapeum which is at Sakara that has these hundred more
than twenty i think twenty five hundred ton boxes. There
was no artwork whatsoever done by the original builders. They
were just form and function and practicality. That's why, you know,
the interior or the Great Pyramid has no hieroglyphics, whereas
anything that we can properly date as being dynastic, as
in old you know, Old Kingdom.
Speaker 1: Middle Kingdom, New kingdom.
Speaker 2: Every square inches, you know, is is covered in hieroglyphics
telling the story of the you know, the great people
who lived at that time.
Speaker 1: So the sphinx.
Speaker 2: That's why the sphinx is such a mystery, in that
if it was created initially as a sculpture of a
lion or a line with a person's head or something,
it may have been done by completely different culture than
that which created the pyramids, and then completely different culture
from the Dynastic Egyptians themselves.
Speaker 5: And if it was created by an older culture, then
where is the rest of the evidence for that culture?
Speaker 3: What is? You know, they come in, they drop off,
they build a big line, and then they leave.
Speaker 5: They don't make any other buildings that we're aware of. Now,
understanding that the area there around Cairo and you're on
the edge of the Sahara Desert, and the Sahara Desert
many thousands of years ago was a lush, green forest.
It's not the wasteland that it's known today. With climate change,
natural climate change, I should say, and who's to say,
you know between after the Ice Age, you know, the
changes that that caused.
Speaker 3: To the planet.
Speaker 5: But still you would think that there would be some
other structures or evidence that would seem to be as
old as the Sphinx, And yet am I correct and
assuming that nothing really has been found that matches that age, well.
Speaker 1: That's unknown at this time.
Speaker 2: You know, all we can say is that it's likely
that the Great Pyramids are more than twelve thousand years old,
But how old is still up to you know, completely
up in the air, because we don't really have technology
to be able to measure when stone was cut. And
you know, the unfortunate thing about Egypt is that it's
been a place of so much historical destruction. Not only
did different periods of the Dynastic Egyptians destroy each other's work,
but then you had the Greeks coming in, and then
you have the Romans coming in, and then you know,
then everybody else comes in and you know, a kind
work would be recycles the places, but they know destroyed
the vast majority of what was there. The most intriguing
thing is that even Zahi hawasids that probably eighty five
percent of ancient Egypt is is likely under the sand
or underground at this time.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot more to discover in the future, if.
Speaker 3: If we're allowed to well and that's the problem.
Speaker 5: It seems like if they're going to do any of
that type of research, it's in secret and the public
is not going to be made privy to it because
anything new that they find is going.
Speaker 3: To be, you know, a very world shattering.
Speaker 5: Even now, the talk of the possible extra chamber in
King Tut's tomb that could that they think might hold
the tomb of Neffertiti, but they're not sure, and I
don't I believe last I heard that they that they're
not able to move any farther on it Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Or have you heard nothing different amount?
Speaker 2: Well, politics in Egypt is very complicated and you have
so many different also outside for US, you have all
these foreign academics, major universities in you know, England, Germany,
the US, Canada, et cetera. That you know, their whole
existence is based on their belief system that you know,
ancient Egypt is only five thousand years old, So they
can put a lot of political pressure on Egyptian authorities
to not allow unorthodox stuff to be literally unearthed. I
think that in the case of neffertiity, if they're able
to discover that there is a two min's either they
will open it up because that you know, that fits
the historical timeline that tutan common and nefertiity were related.
Speaker 1: But it's when you get to the more.
Speaker 2: Mysterious stuff such as the chambers under the under the
Giza plateau, et cetera, that you know, that's why they
put iron gates and locked all of the entrances. But
as time goes on and as new technologies appear, we're
able to chip away at a lot of this stuff
and just you know, discover things through satellite imagery and
even Google Earth, so they can't hold the information back
much longer. It's it's literally like the Star Wars term
said that you know, the sand is running in between
their fingers, and they can't hold it back anymore.
Speaker 1: It's just too late.
Speaker 5: No, and a lot more people are asking questions. And
this is why I really enjoy you know, shows like
Ancient Aliens, where a lot of people they just hear
that term and they chuckle and dismiss it. But there
is a lot of great theories that are presented on
the show. I don't necessarily agree with all of them,
but there's enough out there that shows that something very
mysterious is happening, and we are a species with amnesia.
We don't know our own history. We don't remember, and
I personally have this passion to look into it and
find out. I want to know, and I think more
people are starting to wake up to that fact. But
there are forces out there, like in these in these
governments and the politics as you mentioned, that doesn't want.
Speaker 3: That to happen.
Speaker 5: They they're afraid what will people do if they have
this information? Got to keep people consuming and buying and
you know, keep the status quo. So it's a shame.
I'm really hoping that we could see more coming in
the future. Now we do have to take our last break,
and when we come back, we will be talking more
with Brian Forrester about his research into these ancient megalithic structures.
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Brian Forrester.
Speaker 3: You know, we just spent a lot of time talking.
Speaker 5: About Egypt and the Pyramids and the Sphinx. The one
thing question I have whenever you see the pictures, especially
satellite pictures of the Pyramids.
Speaker 3: You don't, you know, unless you've been.
Speaker 5: To Cairo, you don't realize just how damn close civilization is,
you know, because the roads are almost right up to it.
Speaker 3: You think they kind of set off out in the desert.
But there's all those buildings and.
Speaker 5: Structures that were all around it. What you know, this
is where my own ignorance comes in. What were a
lot of those structures that were all around You could
see all the holes and everything surrounding the pyramids and
the Sphinx.
Speaker 1: Well, there are.
Speaker 2: Of course a number of tombs there, like a vast
number of tombs, and that's why archaeologists erroneously believed that
the Great Pyramid and the other two pyramids were tombs.
But of course bodies were never found inside, no inscriptions inside.
But because there was this tunnel system that was or
is contemporary with the original construction of the Great Pyramids
that goes several stories underground, the dunask Egyptians would discover
these openings and of course would use them as tombs.
There are also a number of smaller pyramids up on
the Giza plateau. Some are dynastic in terms of age
and others are much more ancient. And then there are
other pyramids as well, at one site called Dashure, where
you find the Bent Pyramid and the Red Pyramid. They
seem to be contemporary with the great Pyramids at Giza.
And I hope that answers your question.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, that's just something that I've never really thought about.
And you know, it is interesting that if the you know,
I've always never believed that the pyramids were burial chambers
or tombs, and that's very clear. Archaeology is very clearly
showing that now. But yet that still part of of
our culture, our history that we said, oh, yeah, they
were built to be big tombs. But you know, as
much as the Egyptians liked to carve their drawings and
graffiti on everything, it is a little surprising that even
in later times in Egyptian history that they didn't go
in there and try to repurpose and put their carvings
or make it a tomb.
Speaker 3: I mean, it seemed natural that.
Speaker 5: Hey, there's this nice, big empty chamber, and I'm this
pharaoh and I want something great and grand, so I'll
just take this old structure that's been here, and I
alternate to my tomb, and yet they never did that, uh,
and they never put the drawings in there. So I'm
really curious, you know, as to why they didn't use.
Speaker 3: Those structures for those purposes. Any ideas on something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's possible that they didn't actually have access to them.
A lot of the damage that has been done was
done by probably the early Muslims who moved into the area,
you know, once, once explosives were available. One would guess,
perhaps you know, five hundred to two a thousand years ago,
that that that's when attempts.
Speaker 1: Were made to get access.
Speaker 2: But because of the of the age of the pyramids,
the fact that sand constantly has been burying different things,
such as the Sphinx has been buried for most of
its history, they keep kept digging it out again. And
since they, you know, the access points may or the
pyramids may have been sealed off so well that the
ancient Egyptian or dynastic Egyptians may never have been able
to get access to the interiors again until explosives were
brought in by much later cultures. So it could very
well be that the pyramids just sat there. Kufu decided
to name one after him Coffrey decided to name one
after you know, after him, and then then the third
pyramid was was was named after another one of the
of the pharaohs, just because he was in charge, and
he said, name that pyramid after me.
Speaker 5: Now I wanted to ask you about there's the other
lesser known pyramid nearby and I forget the name of it.
And you had you had put this up on your
YouTube channel, uh, talking about this pyramid that looks like
it was it exploded from within. I was wondering if
you could talk a little bit about that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, that's Abu Rawash, which almost nobody gets to
go to.
Speaker 1: It's is it north?
Speaker 2: So I think it's south, actually the south of Giza,
and we went there once and it took a lot
of pay work to be able to get access to it.
Speaker 1: But it's either a.
Speaker 2: Pyramid that was never completed or a pyramid that literally
exploded because there's nothing of the surface left, but the
shafts and chambers that would have been underground are open
to the air now, so you know, you're able to
literally walk down a ramp several hundred feet into the
core of.
Speaker 1: This ancient pyramid.
Speaker 5: So it's possibility that if these were used as some
type of energy producing structures that you know, hey, it's
like like Chernoble, it may have had a meltdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it could be.
Speaker 2: And again, if you look at the Great Pyramid as
an example, you know, you have the subterranean chamber, then
you have the king so called King's chamber, so called
Queen's chamber, and each one of those.
Speaker 1: Resonates to a different sound frequency.
Speaker 2: Use of Aweyan, who's our great expert, he's able to
create the tone that makes each one of these different
chambers resonate, like profoundly resonate. So it seems that they
were designed, their proportions were designed, and also the fact
that they were covered with granite, which again has a
lot of courts in it. That they were vibratory structures.
And that's what's interesting about Abu Roash. Since the pyramid
itself has gone, you can go and you can go
into what would have been the subterranean chamber, which shows score.
It also shows scorch marks that don't appear to be
just someone lighting a fire. It's like there was some
kind of massive explosion that happened in the and could
have blown the pyramid to pieces.
Speaker 5: Wow, fascinating stuff. Coming back to South America. And now
you're currently located. Do you live in Peru?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: Okay, So you've done a lot of research on on
Puma Punka and Tiwanako. What other sites that are nearby
that you've investigated that really catch your interest in terms
of this ancient type of engineering.
Speaker 2: Well, the city of Cusco, which was the Inca capital,
clearly was a megalithic city that the Inca people discovered
a thousand years ago. There are many structures that are
megalithic in and around Cusco of profound levels of precision.
And then on the outskirts you have a site called
Saksee Waman which is a megalithic wall. Some of the
stones are one hundred and twenty five tons. Another site
called Oyante Tambo which is in the Sacred Valley, which
has astonishing levels of precision and the quarry for it
is the top of a mountain across the other side
of the valley. And then of course famous Machu Picchu,
which the Inca did build, but they built it around
a much more ancient megalithic core because the core area
shows profound levels of precision, whereas the Inca period is
simply fieldstone and local clay used as the equivalent of cement.
So there are many many sites in and around Cusco
that are profound.
Speaker 5: You know, Machu Picchu is always something that I've been
drawn to, and not only just it's such a beautiful
location up in the mountains, but yet you can definitely
see that mixture of old and much older building materials
and technology.
Speaker 3: One thing that comes up in some of this, you know,
I try not to get too new agy, but.
Speaker 5: You know, what are your thoughts on a lot of
these sites being located on so called lay lines or
energy lines within the earth. Do you think that in
your research that that holds any water?
Speaker 2: Well, it does, and actually I kind of you know,
I didn't take that idea seriously for quite a while.
Speaker 1: But we had six dowsers come with us who were very.
Speaker 2: Sensitive people and had been doing this for decades either
from England or New Zealand, and most of their work
was done in England because that's you know, where it's
done more commonly, and we were able to map what
it's called the path of Viracocha, which is a line
that travels from the northwest to the southeast through Peru
and Bolivia, and almost all of the megalithic sites are
located exactly on this straight line. So they were able
to measure and map the energy at all these different
sites and then create a map that showed how why
these lay line energies were where they were most intense.
So there is actual you know, I've seen actual evidence
of this inaction over the course of I think it
was fourteen days we did this.
Speaker 5: Now, just curious, since you've been on the show of
Ancient Aliens, which do you lean more towards in your
theory that a lot of these were built by more
advanced human civilizations or do you among those that think
that possibly there were some other types of extraterrestrial influences.
Speaker 2: Well, it could you know, it could be that it
was done by extra or some of the work was
done by extraterrestrials, but we don't have, you know, we
don't have any super strong evidence for it. It's just
I can't see where the cultures came from that were
able to do some of this work. We don't see
you know, evolution from you know, a more primitive state
to super advance to be able to do this. It's
like people simply appeared, did the work, and then disappeared somehow.
They could have been wiped out by this massive cataclysm.
But my mind is not closed to the possibility that
some of this ancient megalithic work was done by people
not from our genetic you know, call it not our
genetic bloodlines, and not necessarily from from this planet.
Speaker 1: And anyone who says aliens are.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous or UFOs or ridiculous are people who have never
seen a U. I've seen UFOs, and so I've seen
mysterious things. And it's a closed mind that says that
we're the only you know, creation, the only intelligent life
in the universe. No creator of any way, shape or
form would be that simplistic to just go, oh, I'll
create a blue dot and then populated with.
Speaker 1: Some you know, people walking around with two legs. It's
just silly.
Speaker 5: Now, the fact that you have actually seen UFOs from
these craft, have you noticed a a higher number of
sightings around these ancient sites compared to just other sites
in general.
Speaker 2: Well, in the highlands of Peru, practically everybody has seen UFOs.
Speaker 1: It's quite amazing.
Speaker 2: They don't understand our fascination because it's something that's you
know that people have had sightings for hundreds, if not
thousands of years.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 2: I can't think of one person I know who lives
in the highlands of Peru around Cusco, for example, that
hasn't had a personal sighting themselves.
Speaker 1: And they're also I find Peruvians much more.
Speaker 2: Open minded when it comes to alternative ways of looking
at things, or alternative realities, or the existence of something
other than you know, the linear archaeology that you and
I were taught in school.
Speaker 5: That's a tough part coming from Western culture like we do,
or I should be more accurate Western European culture, because
we are taught to be you know, if you take
you know, organized religion out of it, we're taught to
be very scientific and analytical and fairly closed minded to
anything that might seem mystical or other worldly. And yet
these these what we would think of as more primitive
cultures or the aboriginal cultures, you know, it's more open
to them. They're more open minded to it, they're more accepting,
and they don't, like you said, they don't understand what
the big deal is about it.
Speaker 3: It's just a part of life.
Speaker 5: And it's not a threat to them to realize that
there's something else out there, and something maybe even bigger
where Western culture. That's one of the reasons why they're
so secretive if they got to keep it quiet, because
if we realize, oh my god, there are aliens out
there and they are more highly advanced than us, our
whole culture would just literally fall apart out of fear.
Where these ancient, more ancient cultures and the Aboriginal cultures
are more accepting of it, it's no big deal to them.
So it's definitely a matter of perspective depending on where
where you're from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. But I think what it, you know,
what it can teach us is modesty, which is something
we lack. We think we're the pinnacle of human you know,
evolution or whatever, and I don't think we are.
Speaker 1: I think there were you know, we.
Speaker 2: See the obvious evidence of cultures that existed in the
past that had forms of technology, which to us would
be science fiction. And so even you know, if if
the government were to finally release evidence of visitations from
other worldly beings, it's about time that we actually accepted
all of this stuff. That history is much more complex
and far more intriguing than than.
Speaker 1: What we thought. We you know, we know, and that
makes like, that makes life more interesting.
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly now, Well, we've got about fifteen more minutes
left in the program. One location that I really was
interested to get your thoughts on, considering you live down
that area, would be the Nasca planes and the car
the hieroglyphs, the hieroglyphs petroglyphs on the Nasca planes. That
can you know, when we discovered them in the twentieth century,
it was that they could only be seen and made
sense from the air. Have you spent much time yourself
investigating that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I recently wrote a book about it, and I'm
actually four hours drive from Nasca, So I'm in an
area called Parrakas, which is where the geoglyphs and lines
actually begin, which most people don't realize. They just hear Nasca,
so they think, well, there are fifteen animal shapes on
the ground, you know that you can only see from
an airplane. But in fact, the whole system begins here
on the coast of Peru and again interestingly, travels in
a easterly direction for at least two hundred miles.
Speaker 5: Wow, and it's it's so gigantic with all of not
just the the the petroglyphs themselves, but the lines and
the mountaintop that seems to have been shaved off to
form the that perfectly flat structure. Now in the in
the old days, around the time when Eric von Donakan
wrote his book Chariots of the Gods and the documentary
that came out, it was theorized that these were all
these were landing fields, which you know, I think after
some thought, you know, it's clear they weren't landing fields.
But this still the mystery, it's still a big mystery
of what they could have been used for. Not only
what the meaning was about the giant animal drawings on
the ground and what that would mean to people, but
the lines themselves, perfectly straight, going for hundreds of miles
in so directions. Now, is it true that some of
the lines, if you do follow them, point to other
megalithic sites.
Speaker 2: Well, the reason why I wrote the book is because
there are so many different theories about what they were
used for, how they were made, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And what we do know is that.
Speaker 2: They were created over the course of a thousand years
from about five hundred BC until five hundred AD by
two different cultures. The Nasca made the more famous ones
that are in the Nasca area itself, like the spider,
the hummingbird, what else, the.
Speaker 1: Condor among the India.
Speaker 2: But it's the culture that came before them, which is
actually my favorite, called the Parrakas, and they actually are
the ones who created this this massive geoglyph that you
can only see from the ocean or the sky called
the candelabra, which is almost five hundred feet tall on
the side of a mountain.
Speaker 1: And then they created hundreds of.
Speaker 2: Other smaller ones along this pathway heading towards Nasca.
Speaker 3: Incredible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that big candelabra which can be seen coming in
from the coat. Now there's also the spaceman. That's also
the waving the waving human figure that's on the coastline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh sorry, but he actually is in the Nasca area,
and even archaeologists admit that the Parakas culture created that
before the existence of the Nasca.
Speaker 1: So he does appear to be waving at something.
Speaker 3: But it's still we don't know what.
Speaker 1: We don't know what, but it's you know, I've flown
over it.
Speaker 2: Twenty times, and you can't really see it from the ground,
so he's waving at something in the air.
Speaker 5: There is similar large petro glyphs even in the United
States in the We were recently talking with author Ron
Felber who wrote a book called the Mahave Incident, and
in the High Desert of California, in the Mahave Desert,
there are large petroglyphs that are very reminiscent of the
Nasca lines. Not you know, they're not as well known either,
but you can't see what they are from the ground,
but they can only be seen from the air. There's
also the Snake Mound in in North America as well,
so a lot of these. Naska isn't the only one
that have all these different types of structures or glyphs
that can only be seen from the air. Irene, do
you what do you think you have a question?
Speaker 3: Irene?
Speaker 4: Oh No, I was just looking at it on the
desk top here and they reminded me of the one
in England, Lvington and things. We've got quite a few
over here and they're all on chalk soil, right.
Speaker 2: So the contrast is really profound between the white shark
and the green grass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very very very cold. You know, they are absolutely fantastic,
and I've seen them as we've been driving along various
roads up on the hiltops. We've got a man as well,
but I don't remember what he's called now, the old
man of something or other.
Speaker 5: So again, all of this is very interesting, especially the
fact that these things could only really be seen from
the air, which begs the question did there used to
be some type of air travel. It seems to me
that it's a distinct possibility. If we look at the
fact that the technology used to build these these monuments,
these structures is more advanced than what we have today,
then it's quite possible that early cultures had also mastered
some forms of aerodynamics, aerodynamic flight or even powered flight.
Speaker 4: Why animals, Why animals, It's a good question, what do
you think, Brian.
Speaker 2: That's actually that's a very good question. You know, of
course there are in different ancient cultures. You have tootemic
animals that are important to different cultures, and so you
know the humming bird, You know the hummingbird. Do you
have the spider, et cetera.
Speaker 1: That's thing that will have to be researched more.
Speaker 2: The unfortunate thing is that the and Aska culture themselves
more or less disappeared about six hundred AD because the
area became extreme desert and they couldn't survive anymore. What's
known is some of the lines, in fact, are maps
of underground streams and rivers, and that was one of
the functions of the lines, and they were able to
map and then tap into some of these underground streams
for irrigation. But the actual symbolism behind the animals I
don't know yet.
Speaker 3: Fascinating.
Speaker 5: Well, we're coming up on the end of the program, Brian.
Can you tell people where they can get hold of
your books and also how they can find you online?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 2: Actually the best website is my main website, which is
hidden incaturs dot com, and from there you can get
links to my YouTube channel that has about eight hundred videos.
Speaker 1: And then access to books.
Speaker 2: My books are on Amazon, but my website itself has
lots of audio and video interviews, you know, the books
and articles and photos and stuff like that. And of
course this one will be put on as soon as
I get the link.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much for coming on the show today.
This has really been a fascinating discussion. It's a it's
a subject close to my heart. So really honor and
a pleasure to speak with you today.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you both and Mark. Anytime you want me
back on, just give me the call.
Speaker 3: Sure thing.
Speaker 5: Well, Brian, thanks for coming on, and thank you everyone
for listening to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned.
Speaker 5: Jimmy Church with Fade Black is coming up next. We'll
catch you next week, so have a great weekend everybody.
Speaker 3: We'll see you later.
Speaker 4: Goodbye.