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<v Speaker 1>So one of the weird little wrinkles in the mystery

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<v Speaker 1>of Kelly Wilson's disappearance is that her tire was slashed

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<v Speaker 1>on the Courthouse square on the night she vanished, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're told that this slash tire had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with her disappearance. Here's what newspaper reporter Philip Williams had

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<v Speaker 1>to say.

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<v Speaker 2>He's last her tires, she disappears, but he didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>thing to do with the disappearance or as the law was.

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<v Speaker 1>Concerned in this episode. I'm going to tell you something

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<v Speaker 1>else about Kelly and slash tires, and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can help me make sense of this. From

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<v Speaker 1>Free Range Productions in association with Imperative Entertainment, I'm West

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<v Speaker 1>Ferguson and this is Deviltown, Chapter fourteen, Slashed Tires. So

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<v Speaker 1>a while back, I was reading through this Reddit thread

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<v Speaker 1>about Kelly's case when I saw a comment from an

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<v Speaker 1>old friend of hers. The thing is, though this friend

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<v Speaker 1>was not from Gilmer, texas she knew Kelly Wilson from

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<v Speaker 1>Nakodish Louisiana. We've talked so much about Gilmer throughout the series,

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<v Speaker 1>but I never really knew much about Kelly's life before Gilmer,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, she spent nearly her entire childhood up

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<v Speaker 1>till her junior year of high school in nakadish. I

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<v Speaker 1>talked to Kelly's dad, Robbie, but you know, a dad

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<v Speaker 1>only knows so much, so I reach out to this

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<v Speaker 1>person on Reddit and she emails me. We end up

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<v Speaker 1>talking on the phone, and believe it or not, she

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<v Speaker 1>knew something kind of strange about Kelly and those slash tires.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get to that pretty quick. But first I

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<v Speaker 1>want to tell you about Kelly because her friend Laurence

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<v Speaker 1>Seal knew a side of Kelly that hardly anybody I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked to for this show ever saw. They'd been friends

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<v Speaker 1>since junior high.

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<v Speaker 3>We met when Kelly and I were both in seventh grade,

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<v Speaker 3>but she went to a different school, but she was

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<v Speaker 3>started dating my brother, who was two years older than me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just remember she was beautiful and super nice,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we went to school together in ninth grade

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<v Speaker 3>and I kind of was intimidated by her because she's

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<v Speaker 3>just really, really confident, a really confident girl.

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<v Speaker 1>That confidence is the thing that just about everybody who

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<v Speaker 1>knew Kelly brings up. Lauren included when she.

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<v Speaker 3>Would talk to you, her eyes would just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>they'd never stray away from your own. She had confidence

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<v Speaker 3>about her and she was no nonsense, just straightforward, but

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<v Speaker 3>very fun. She was just a really cool girl, just

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<v Speaker 3>very mature for her age. She always just seemed like

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<v Speaker 3>she'd been there and done that, but she never met

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<v Speaker 3>an enemy, I don't think. Just very confident, sure of herself,

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<v Speaker 3>very smart, very pretty. She was very adult as me

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<v Speaker 3>being the same age. I just looked at her as

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<v Speaker 3>thinking she just had all the wisdom of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren was a little younger than Kelly and a little shyer,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kelly kind of took her under her wing. What

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<v Speaker 1>she remembers is mostly small stuff, the kind of thing

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<v Speaker 1>you only remember about a friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Our friend Christy. She had a white, cheavy step side,

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<v Speaker 3>like an older choke that was really badass. And it

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<v Speaker 3>was the three of us in the front and Kelly

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<v Speaker 3>was in the middle, and our entertainment was to ride

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<v Speaker 3>up and down this street quote unquote one of the

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<v Speaker 3>main streets in knack and Is, but we called it

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<v Speaker 3>the Strip.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's one thing about writing around in that truck

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<v Speaker 1>that Lauren still remembers clear as Day.

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<v Speaker 3>She really, really really liked that song by Leta Ford

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<v Speaker 3>and Ozzy Osbourne. If I close my eyes forever and

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<v Speaker 3>I just remember she was just seen at the top

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<v Speaker 3>of her lungs, and I remember thinking, she has a

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<v Speaker 3>really good voice too. That's not fair, because she's really pretty,

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<v Speaker 3>really smart.

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<v Speaker 1>So she could sing too, apparently. And look, it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>really easy thirty plus years down the road to turn

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly into some kind of saint. That happens a lot

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<v Speaker 1>with these cases. But that's not what Lauren does. She

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<v Speaker 1>just talks about her like a regular teenage girl.

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<v Speaker 3>What I liked about her is that she just was upfront.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't sugarcoat anything, but she wasn't mean either. She

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<v Speaker 3>liked being the leader, and definitely she was someone that

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<v Speaker 3>people would follow.

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<v Speaker 1>She kept her grades up too, but not in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that would cost her any fun.

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<v Speaker 3>She would be like, oh, yeah, I'll be fine on

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<v Speaker 3>the test. I'm still going to go out and party

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<v Speaker 3>till like one o'clock and you know, get everything done,

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<v Speaker 3>and she did so.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might remember from earlier in the series that

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly's folks were split up, and to this day, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they still agree on much, including a big

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<v Speaker 1>question whether Kelly even wanted to be in Gilmour at

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<v Speaker 1>all or whether she was trying to get back to Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren remembers the day Kelly left Nackadish.

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<v Speaker 3>And I ran into her in the hall and she said,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to move to Gilmore because I guess she'd

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<v Speaker 3>been fighting with her dad. And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>when you go in, she's like today, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>won't ever forget her face because she just looked shocked

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<v Speaker 3>that she had to leave. By that was the last

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<v Speaker 3>time I taught to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, not next month, not at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>school year.

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<v Speaker 3>That same day, she says, friendly to everybody, always had

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<v Speaker 3>a smile on her face. I never saw her where

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<v Speaker 3>she was crying or upset, except for the last day

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<v Speaker 3>I talked to her. She wasn't even crying then. She

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of looked concerned, like she didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>do it, you know, she just didn't want to move,

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<v Speaker 3>but she was going and getting her stuff, checking out

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<v Speaker 3>of all the classes. She just seems shocked, and I

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<v Speaker 3>just we didn't have a lot of time to talk,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was kind of like our kept saying no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm really going to move. She's like, Lauren,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm leaving today, like, oh my god. And that was it,

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<v Speaker 3>little hug and she was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was it. Kelly went off to Gilmer and

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<v Speaker 1>then that January she was gone. When I spoke with Lauren,

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<v Speaker 1>she kept coming back to how alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly was some huge blue eyes that would just staring

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<v Speaker 3>into your soul sometime. Always had big ground her face,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of big hair. But big hair was in

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<v Speaker 3>back then, right, always in fashion. No matter what it was,

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<v Speaker 3>she was wearing it. She was a trendsetter. It's insane.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was a good person and she was a

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<v Speaker 3>fun to be around, and she was she would light

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<v Speaker 3>up any room, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked her at the end of our conversation if

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<v Speaker 1>there was anything else she wanted people to know about

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<v Speaker 1>her friend.

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<v Speaker 3>She was very vibrant, very alive. And that's why it's

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<v Speaker 3>so hard to picture hers. I just don't want to picture,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, like it just ended so like a

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<v Speaker 3>candle going out, like ooh, like.

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<v Speaker 1>A candle going out. Lauren was fifteen, sixteen years old

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<v Speaker 1>the last time she saw Kelly. She's in her early

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<v Speaker 1>fifties now. And Kelly's still that girl in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the truck after the break. Older guys and slash tires.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Wilson, like a lot of teenagers, had a type

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<v Speaker 1>older guys, the bad news kind, and Lauren tagging along

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<v Speaker 1>tended to like the same ones.

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<v Speaker 3>We often had crushes on the same guys too. Like

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<v Speaker 3>she was a guy David Kirkland who was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>no good. He slashed both of our tires on one night,

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<v Speaker 3>not just ours, but it was a couple of other

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<v Speaker 3>people like him and his gang. What are they called,

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<v Speaker 3>the what is it regulators? Oh my god, it's so stupid. Anyway, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think he ended up having to go to the

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<v Speaker 3>Marines or jail, and I think he went marines. But

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<v Speaker 3>he was just that bad boy, older guy. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So a guy slashes her tires and you'd think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the end of it, but it wasn't. Kelly liked him anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>She liked him even though he slashed her tires.

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<v Speaker 3>Mmm, yeah, kind of I did too. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>When I said that seemed like a strange reason to

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<v Speaker 1>keep liking somebody, Lauren didn't disagree.

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<v Speaker 3>It is weird, and I'm thinking here. As I'm talking

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<v Speaker 3>about it, I'm like, yeah, I still liked him. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>thinking to my why didn't like him? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Even after I moved, I remember thinking, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know high school girl stuff. That's all I

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me be extremely careful here, because I am not

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<v Speaker 1>telling you that this guy David had anything to do

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<v Speaker 1>with what happened to Kelly. There's no reason to think that.

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<v Speaker 1>By Lauren's telling, he was some teenage kid in Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>who slashed a few tires and then went off and

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<v Speaker 1>joined the Marines. That's about it. What stuck with me

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<v Speaker 1>was smaller than that, and stranger because slash tires show

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<v Speaker 1>up one other time in Kelly's story, at the worst

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<v Speaker 1>possible moment. You've been following the show, so you know

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<v Speaker 1>this next part, but real quick, because we got into

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<v Speaker 1>all of this back in episode two. Here's the short version.

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<v Speaker 4>Seventeen year old high school senior was last seen on

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<v Speaker 4>January fifth, nineteen ninety two. She had just finished working

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<v Speaker 4>a shift at a local video store when she headed

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<v Speaker 4>to the bank to make a deposit. That night, the

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<v Speaker 4>money made it into the account, but Kelly never made

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<v Speaker 1>The morning after Kelly disappeared in January of nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>her car turns up beside the video store in Gilmer

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<v Speaker 1>where she worked. He's missing a bottle of vodka inside,

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<v Speaker 1>no signs of any struggle, and her left rear tire

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<v Speaker 1>is slashed, and not just a little puncture, it slashed

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<v Speaker 1>so bad the tire has come off the rim.

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<v Speaker 4>The next morning, her car still found sitting outside of

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<v Speaker 4>her job. One of the tires had been slashed. Her belonging,

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<v Speaker 4>including her purse, still inside of the car. The keys

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<v Speaker 4>were missing, and now so was Kelly gone without a trace.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple months later, this seventeen year old kid named

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Bibe admits that it was him. He pleads guilty

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<v Speaker 1>to a misdemeanor, and the police write the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>off as random, just vandalism, nothing to do with Kelly's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 1>And that wasn't even the only tire. Somebody had slashed

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<v Speaker 1>one of Kelly's tires two nights earlier, on the Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and the girl who worked with her at the video

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<v Speaker 1>store got one slashed right around then too. I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about all this on the show before, and I even

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<v Speaker 1>said a while back that I couldn't shake the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that a slash tire might be somebody's extremely juvenile idea

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<v Speaker 1>of a romantic gesture, danger, and attraction all rolled into one.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see why Lauren's story really stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure any of this will really help the case,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like help us understand what happened to Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>that night. In fact, my original producer even cut the

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<v Speaker 1>entire interview with Lauren from an earlier episode because it

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't quite fit in with the whole true crime

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we do. It's just a weird coincidence. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a teenage crush in Louisiana is also a

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<v Speaker 1>whole different world from a crime scene in Gilmer. We're

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<v Speaker 1>talking different boys, different states, years apart. All I'm saying is,

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<v Speaker 1>once you've heard both, it's hard not to want to

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<v Speaker 1>try and connect the two, not in a real, just

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<v Speaker 1>the facts kind of way, but just in a strange phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Bibe was seventeen back then, like I said, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had dropped out of high school, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he was just hanging out on the square that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's newspaper reporter Philip Williams again.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy That's last or tire. He was brought in

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<v Speaker 2>the court, played guilty to a Miss Demainor, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was there when he was sentenced, but apparently, through a

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<v Speaker 2>remarkable coincidence, he had nothing to do with her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael got a fine for the slash tire and he

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<v Speaker 1>was sentenced to ninety days in jail for criminal mischief.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended up serving forty five days, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed by gilmert Police Sergeant James York Brown, the lead investigator,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was also interviewed by the FBI. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have access to any of those interviews, but it seems

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<v Speaker 1>clear that law enforcement didn't really have anything on him.

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<v Speaker 1>The Gilmer police chief back then was Al McAllister, and

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<v Speaker 1>he told the Gilmer Mirror that Biby was either the

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<v Speaker 1>unluckiest guy in the world or he knows more than

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<v Speaker 1>he told us. Michael also allegedly got the crap beat

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<v Speaker 1>out of him by Kelly's brother and her stepbrother. After

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<v Speaker 1>doing his jail time, he moved to another state and

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<v Speaker 1>he still lives there. I've come across a few rumors

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<v Speaker 1>about Michael online and some people have passed along a

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<v Speaker 1>few other leads to me. They're interesting, but it's all

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<v Speaker 1>secondhand stuff that I couldn't confirm for the podcast. I

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<v Speaker 1>have tried to speak with him for a year at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. I've exchanged a ton of messages with his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've chatted a little with his daughter. They listened

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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast and they both said they would try

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<v Speaker 1>to convince Michael to talk, but so far that hasn't happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I also offered to drive up there and talk to

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<v Speaker 1>him in person, but that hasn't happened either. Michael's daughter

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<v Speaker 1>said he's just a really private person, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>what his wife said. I'm going to be completely honest

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Michael doesn't do people at all, well new people,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess I would be a new person. The

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<v Speaker 1>couple just celebrated their thirtieth wedding anniversary, and his wife

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<v Speaker 1>told me that to this day she has still never

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<v Speaker 1>asked Michael what happened that night. She did say that

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<v Speaker 1>their kids have been harassed because of the publicity from

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<v Speaker 1>the case, and if that's true, that's really unfortunate. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I have to say that after all this,

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't really have a good answer for you

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<v Speaker 1>about the slash tire. What I do have and what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to leave you with for now is Lauren.

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<v Speaker 3>When I heard what happened to her, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>never left my head.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren was somebody who loved Kelly way before any of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and who's never been able to shake Kelly's memory.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just one of those things that just sticks with

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<v Speaker 3>you and you just wonder all the time what happened

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<v Speaker 3>to her and she stuff for you know, all that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just walking my dog at night, I always

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<v Speaker 3>think of her, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's been a long time too, it

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<v Speaker 1>really has.

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<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't go away though.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time on Deviltown, We're headed back to Gilmour. Deviltown

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<v Speaker 1>is a free range production and association with Imperative Entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>The show is created by me Wes Ferguson. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>was produced by Aslan Gaddis, music by Robert Ellis. To

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