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Speaker 1: Very nice. Yeah, we're here to talk about two of
the best baseball movies of the eighties, Bull Durham and Major.
Speaker 3: We're so excited. I am a former high school baseball player,
and when I was in high school, man, we quoted
these movies all the time locker room bench, during the game.
Speaker 1: I am a former little league baseball player, and so Jason,
you will be our resident baseball expert for this episode.
Speaker 3: Well that sounds good. I am a big baseball fan.
I love the major leagues. I grew up watching minor
league baseball in my hometown, so baseball has always been
a huge part of my life. And I love these movies.
So I'm very excited to talk to these with you.
Speaker 1: Well, I you know, I don't want to sell myself
too short. I've coached a little league for my boys.
We won the entire season for our t ball team
for one of my boys. But yeah, let's roll on this.
We've got Major League and Bull Durham. Let's talk about
when those movies came out.
Speaker 3: So Bull Durham was released June fifteenth, nineteen eighty eight,
and then not quite a year later, Major League was
released April seven, nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Right, so, Jason, which one of these movies is your favorite?
Speaker 3: We're gonna tell it right now.
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to this question. They're both
so freaking good I can't I still don't know the answer.
Speaker 3: They're both awesome, They're both extremely quotable. I think they
both have a lot to offer. But I'm gonna hold
my opinion until the very end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to because I just still don't
know the answer on this one.
Speaker 3: I will tell you this though. I'll tell you this.
Sports Illustrated rank Bull Durham as the number one sports
movie of all time. So let's start with Bullderham.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll start with Bull Durham. So Bull Durham was
written and directed by Ron Shelton. Ron was a minor
league baseball player himself, played from sixty seven to seventy
one for the Baltimore Orioles Farm Team, played second base.
He's written several other movies. But he got together with
Kurt Russell, who some of you may not know, was
also a minor league ballplayer. He would he'd go shoot
movies and then he'd go play ball, and people at
the ballpark were like, hey, you know, you're not really
focusing on baseball, and he was like, yeah, you're right.
I guess I'll go make lots and lots of movies.
Speaker 3: You know, that really blows my mind because Kurt Russell
is a full blown movie star when we know who
this guy is. But he was also a professional baseball player.
But he's been an actor since he was very young.
I mean, yeah, he was Disney movies actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kid movies, The Computer War, Tennis shoes, right, right.
So have you seen the documentary that he did about
it was called The Battered Bastards of Baseball.
Speaker 3: No, I haven't even heard of it.
Speaker 1: Okay. So his dad being Russell, who was also an actor.
He was in Bonanza and some other stuff. But he
owned a minor league team called the Portland Mavericks. And
there's been a documentary that's come out in the last
couple of years about that team and it is awesome.
I love it. You need to check it out.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Cool. I may not be a sports guy, but I
am a sports movie guy, and this one, I mean,
it's just it's it's great. Being Russell is a character.
I like it. I think you'd really enjoy it. So anyway,
Ron Shelton Bullderham, Right. So, Ron and Kurt Russell get
together and they put together this script based kind of
on both of their experiences as minor league baseball players,
and it was intended that Kurt Russell was going to
play the part of Crash Davis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they said he went out of town for
a few days and when he came back, Ron had
given that part to Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner actually had
talked to Ron Shelton. This is before Kevin Costner was
a household name, right, So they shot this in nineteen
eighty seven. The Untouchables was released in eighty seven. That's
what kind of ramped him up. Untouchables in no way outright.
So Kevin Costner was like, hey, listen, I played baseball
in high school. I love baseball. In fact, let me
show you. And so he dragged Ron Shelton to the
batting cages and just wanted to demonstrate to him. Look,
I can play a little bit. You know. I wasn't
in the big time, but I can hit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He switch hits during the movie. I don't know
if you noticed that, but Kurt was known for being
a solid hitter. Wasn't that great in the field because
he spent time making movies instead of practicing, But he
was a switch hitter as well. So it's just kind
of weird. I think this movie might have done as
well with Kurt Russell as the character. But at this point,
Kevin Costner's locked into my memory as Crash Davis.
Speaker 3: Well, Kevin Costner doesn't knock it out of the park
as Crash Davis, But I mean, you're right, I think
Kurt Russell. First of all, he could look like a
baseball player, which is huge. Before we really go any further,
Ron Shelton makes this point most actors want to be
athletes but can't, and they can't even pretend to be athletes. Right,
But Kevin Costner and Kurt Russell were the only two
guys that he found that he felt like could pull
off visually what a baseball player looks like. I mean,
I've got a list of guys that were considered for
this role. H should we go through this list? This
is incredible list, Sure, go for it. Considered was Mel Gibson,
Harrison ford, Don Johnson, Jeff Bridges, Nick Nolty, and even
for a brief moment, Bruce Willis with Sybil Shepherd as
Annie Savoy was considered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny because they were still full on Moonlighting
at that point.
Speaker 3: They were full on Moonline. Yeah that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Nick Nolty he had been in the Football
movie earlier, so was obviously an athlete, but just he
didn't like baseball.
Speaker 3: Well I'm glad he didn't take it.
Speaker 1: Then. You know, this movie, I think opened the door
for a lot of baseball movies. It was kind of
this that led into Eight Men Out and Major League
and a league of their own A lot of lot, right, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 3: In fact, at this time when he was pitching this
to the studios, sports movies in general are kind of
known to be not great moneymakers, but baseball movies, I mean,
you think before this movie there was kind of a
run on baseball movies in the late eighties. But before this,
I mean we're talking about like The Bad News Bears
was the last reasonably made baseball movie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, which is a fantastic movie, by the way,
come on, butter crud anyway, so it opens the door
to other movies, including our other movie, which is Major League.
Major League was written and directed by David Ward. Now,
David Ward had come into Hollywood. He had been teaching
like screen writing at a college level and then sold
a script called The Sting and it ended up winning
Best Screenplay, so it opened a lot of doors for him.
But then he didn't do so well after that and
this one. He had been pitching this movie since nineteen
eighty two and couldn't get anybody to bite on it because,
like you said, sports movies weren't doing anything. And then
Bull Durham comes along, everybody falls in love with it,
and now Major League gets the green light.
Speaker 3: I think it's really cool. David Ward was a Cleveland
Indians fan. Yeah, he was fulfilling his own fantasy of
seeing the Cleveland Indians win the Pennant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he said he thought the only one he said,
he thought, the only way he was ever going to
see them win is if he put it in a movie.
Speaker 3: Yep. Cleveland City at that time.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were the dregs of the league, and
it's Cleveland is such a major part of this movie.
And I love that they start the movie out with
burn On by Randy Newman, which is about the Cuyahoga
Rigor first on fire because there was so much collition
on top of it. Even so, I don't know if
you know this, but this is sort of based on
a story of a real guy named Calvin Griffith who
owned the Minnesota Twins, and he's infamous and famous for
a lot of things. Billy Martin was his manager that
he both hired and then fired later on. But he
had this deal when they moved into the Metrodome in
eighty two. Yeah, part of the lease that he had
done was if the attendance averages less than one point
four million people each year for a period of three years,
they were released from their lease. And he was legitimately
looking at Tampa Bay.
Speaker 3: Right Florida was held out as this wonderful destination for
major League Baseball to come. So he threw out a
bunch of scrubs and intentionally tried to make the attendance
go below one point four moan and it worked.
Speaker 1: But he ended up selling to another group anyway. But
this was the last family owned major League baseball team.
He was the last of the family owned Major League
base Wow. So, as you mentioned David Ward, he grew
up in South Euclid, which is just a suburb of Cleveland,
and this was a labor of love for him. And
so he had done the sting. He had fallen out
of favor with some bad projects and then did some
work with Robert Redford, and once bul Durham was a success,
he was able to get his movie made.
Speaker 3: I love the fact that even though Cleveland does play
a major part in this, it really wasn't filmed in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, they filmed almost all of it in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: They had to move to Milwaukee for the Baseball Shots
because the Cleveland Browns were playing their preseason games and
they couldn't tear up the field. And all you see
Baseball Wise is filmed in Milwaukee. Shall we move on
to the over simplified plot?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you want to go first on Bull Durham? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, the oversimplified plot of Bull Durham. Young upcoming, hard
throwing wild pitcher Ebbie Calvin nuclear Looche is in the
Durham Bulls Minor leag He's wild, but extremely talented, and
he needs somebody to guide him. So management decides, let's
get this better and catcher that we think is really smart.
His name is Crash Davis. Let's buy out his contract
in TRIPAA, bring him down to a ball so he
can guide and direct this young talented pitcher. Meanwhile, Annie
Savoy the town baseball group. He takes it upon herself
to guide and direct a young prospect every season to
get them to the major leagues. So Crash and Annie
have the same task at getting Nuke ready for the
major leagues.
Speaker 1: And by the way, do you know, do you know
what a baseball group he is called an Annie? Okay,
oversimplified plot for Major League Former Las Vegas showgirl Rachel
Phelps inherits the Cleveland Indians baseball team from her deceased husband.
She is intent on getting the team moved from Cleveland
down to Florida, but when told that there's no way
that the city will release her from the lease, she
shows the general manager of clause that says if the
attendance is bad enough and they perform badly enough, they
will be released from their lease. She then commences to
put together one of the worst teams imaginable. This guy's
dead crops him off the list. She puts together a
team of horrible players, including pitcher Ricky Vaughan, catcher Jake
Taylor who's playing for the Mexican League, manager Lou Brown,
who she's brought up from the minor leagues, Adro Serrana
who cannot hit a curveball, pitcher Eddie Harris who is
beyond his time. The team performs poorly, but not poorly
enough for Rachel Phelps, who then begins to take away
many of the team's amenities, including whirlpool baths and planes. Eventually,
the team is two fed up and is losing games,
but at this point, the general manager informs the manager
of Rachel Phelps's plan, who then informs the team, who
then decides to win the whole effing thing. The Indians, then, again,
to all odds, begin to win, all the while Jake
Taylor tries to rekindle his romance with his ex love Lynn,
and the Cleveland Indians go on to win the pennant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's such a good movie. I love this movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jason, let's compare the rosters for each of these teams.
Speaker 3: Okay, that sounds good. All right. So crash Davis is
the main character from Bull Durham. He's Kevin Costner's character,
and he was actually named after a real person, Lawrence
crash Davis. I don't know if you know this story
or not, but he was kind of scouring the old
magazines of baseball players, came across this name and loved it.
Assumed that the guy was dead because it was an
old magazine. Yeah, he played from He played actually for
the Durham Bulls from nineteen forty six to nineteen fifty two,
and then found out later the guy was very much alive,
and so they were really trying to kind of wanted
him to let them use his name. He came to
the first day of filming and he said, how you doing.
I'm Crash Davis and he said, I only have one
question for you. Do I end up with the girl
at the end? He said, yes, you do. He said, great,
you can use my name.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The real crash Davis actually ended up being in
another movie, Ron Shelton's later on called Cobb.
Speaker 3: The character of crash Davis was modeled after William Holden's
character from The Wild Bunch. He wanted him to be
like a modern day gun slinger moving from town to town.
He has no family, he's got no home. He just
goes where the money is and that's He's just a
hired gun.
Speaker 1: Right. So for Major League, our catcher is Jake Taylor,
played by Tom Barringer. He's based on Carlton Fisk. You
know they mentioned that Jake Taylor is an all star
in Boston. But Jake has come from the Mexican League
and has one of the best introductory shots. I think
I love what he says.
Speaker 3: He gets the phone call, Hey Jake, this is the
Cleveland Indians. He's like, is that you? Tolbert Funny ooh,
I'm hungover.
Speaker 1: He could have pretended it was the Yankees. All right.
Speaker 3: Back to Bull Durham.
Speaker 1: So we have our pitcher, Ebbie Calvin nuke Lalouche. Did
you know that he was named after a waiter.
Speaker 3: Yeah? I heard this story. Yes, Shelton was eating at
a restaurant and the guy came up to him and said, Hi,
how you doing. I'm Ebbie Calvin LaRouche, but you can
call me Nuke. So he's played by Tim Robbins. They
actually Ron Shelton had to go to bat.
Speaker 1: For Tim Robbins, right.
Speaker 3: The studio did not want him at all.
Speaker 1: Did you know that Charlie Sheen was actually considered for
this part as well?
Speaker 3: I did see that, Yes, but he had already been
hired to play in Eight Man Out. But the studio
really wanted Anthony Michael Hall.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's right. Which man that would have been?
That would have been wrong? Yeah, several while.
Speaker 3: In case you may not remember who Anthony Michael Hall is,
he is the nerd from the Breakfast Club. I mean,
if you're listening to this podcast, you probably know.
Speaker 1: Who, right, or the nerd from sixteen Candles or the
nerd from weird science science. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: He played in the movie called Johnny Be Good. We
was a football player. He did okay in that he
did okay. But anyway, he arrived to the meeting with
Ron Shelton thirty minutes late and had not read the script.
Speaker 1: Ooh.
Speaker 3: The producer said he thought Ron Scheldt was gonna kill
him right then. Yeah, So they put it off till
the next day, and when he arrived he had only
read half of the script and so they chased him
off and said, forget you, this is not happening. Forget
That's what they said. Yeah, So Charlie Sheen was also considered,
also considered David Duchovney.
Speaker 1: Again, that doesn't that wouldn't be right for a guy
to be named Calvin nuklalouch. He has to be six'
five and all kinds of, lanking, Right AND.
Speaker 3: I Mean Tim robbins is six foot five and pictures
are generally tall and, long you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah And david d'coffney is not.
Speaker 3: Tall, ALONG i DID i found something out about this
character nukele. Loosh this character is based on a real,
Person Steve. Dalkowski so this guy played in the late.
Fifties Ron shelton's former, Manager joe Al tabelli was ordered
to Help Steve dalkowski get ready for the big. Leagues
his nickname Was White. Lightning, okay this. Guy, basically it's
agreed upon that he threw between one hundred and one
hundred and. Ten they didn't have radar.
Speaker 1: Guns back, there, yeah, right no.
Speaker 3: Radar Cal Ripkins senior he has said publicly that he
thinks the guy may have hit one. Fifteen Arondis, chapman
who is an Active Major League baseball, player he can
he throws one, hundred four hundred and. FIVE i mean
that is a different. GEAR i mean when you if
you ever played, baseball when you get into the, nineties
that's super. Smoke you get in the upper nineties and
that's ridiculous. Heat one hundred and ten is. UNHITTABLE i,
mean it's unbelievably.
Speaker 1: Fast right in the time that they have been recording
the speed of pitches with radar, guns there has never
been a pitch faster than one hundred and six miles an, hour.
Speaker 3: Right Like Nolan ryan was like a. Hundred but, Anyway
dalkowski is this. GUY i, mean there's all kinds Of
lore with, Him dulkowski struck out more batters and walked
more batters than any professional pitcher in. History, okay so
we were talking about how the studio did not Want
Tim robbins as they're. Nuke they really Wanted Anthony Michael.
Hall Ron shelton finally just said, No i've got to
have this. GUY i really Want Tim. Robbins and the
studio's response to that, was the audience will not believe
that a guy like him would be with a woman
Like Susan. Sarandon, right she's too high, class she's too
pretty for him and all. That, well as it turns,
out they have this little. Romance they were together for
over twenty.
Speaker 1: Years the actual, Actors, Yeah sarandon And Tim robbins got
together because of this.
Speaker 3: Movie they have three, kids And Ron shelton's actually the
godfather of their firstborn, child which is a really cool.
Speaker 1: Story, right that's. Awesome, Okay so pitching for The Cleveland
indians Is ricky Wild Thing. VAUGHN i love this. Guy, yeah,
MAN i tell, you it's got to be one of
the most memorable. SCENES i remember seeing this one in
the theater and when he walks out for that final
game and comes out with The glas glasses. On, yep
this is the coolest.
Speaker 2: Guy in the.
Speaker 3: World when the owner of the, Team Rachel, Phelps she's,
LIKE i hate this effing.
Speaker 1: Song, Right so he's. Played he's played By Charlie, sheen
who had actually played high school ball and had been
offered to play FOR i believe it was The university Of.
Kansas is that?
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah Kansas, jayhawks that's.
Speaker 1: Right and obviously he went on to be an, actor
was in several, movies Including Eight Men out and then
some of our favorites Like Ferris Bueller's Day, off and
then kind of gained some renowned in the last ten
years for being a drug.
Speaker 3: Freak he's been In Feris Bueler's Day, off, right he
was In, platoon he was In Young, Guns Minute, Work, Winning.
Speaker 1: Winning and speaking of, drugs he admitted later on that
he actually took steroids to prepare for this role and
increase the speed of his fastball from seventy something up
to about eighty.
Speaker 3: Five but he's actually based on a real Life did
you see.
Speaker 1: This, yeah he's based On Ryan.
Speaker 3: Duran Ryan duran is known for his blazing fastball and terrible.
Eyesight in, FACT i asked my dad about this because
my dad was a baseball, player and first thing he said, was, oh, yeah,
man he threw really, hard but he had glasses the
size of coke.
Speaker 1: Bottles let's talk about the, Manager skip played By Trey,
wilson who was also in one of my favorite movies
Called Raising arizona Played Nathan arizona in that. MOVIE i
love that. Guy we lost him too. Soon he died
just a few, months like nine months after this movie came,
out at the age of.
Speaker 3: FORTY i, think, yeah he had a cerebral hemorrhage and.
Speaker 1: Died for.
Speaker 3: Me he is the manager In Bull, durham but you're.
Right In Raising arizona he has one of the funniest
lines of the entire movie when they're, like could you
describe what the child was wearing and he's, LIKE i don't.
Know it Was jammy's And yoda's on.
Speaker 1: Them you.
Speaker 3: Know.
Speaker 1: Great isn't it true that your real name Is Nathan.
Huffhines would you buy furniture from a place Called Painted? Huffines?
Speaker 3: Yeah he. Does he does the managerial job in this
and is super. Funny, yeah he's hilarious and his he's.
Speaker 1: Great both of the managers in both of these movies are,
awesome but it's a totally different. Part his manager is,
THIS i don't know what to, do the kind Of.
Forlorn please help. ME i just can't deal with this
kind of. Guy whereas In Major, league if we're ready
to move on to, that we've Got Lou brown played
By James, gammon who is maybe the. COOLEST i mean
his do not give a f.
Speaker 3: He doesn't even blank and the owner comes. In he's buck.
Naked i'm old to be diving behind.
Speaker 1: Longer one of MY i think one of my favorite
scenes is Where dorn brings him the contract and, says
what do you think about? That not a?
Speaker 3: Word not a? Word just flop zip WE i, MEAN
i tell, you we quoted this movie all the TIME
i get in front of the Ball. Dorn don't give me,
This oh, Lady, Yeah, OH i don't. KNOW i got
a guy on another line about.
Speaker 1: Wall.
Speaker 3: YEAH i love both of these. Guys all, Right so
do you want to talk About Susan strandon and we
want to talk About Larry. Hockett, WELL i don't know
Who Larry hockett, Is so let's talk about. Him Larry
hockett is the pitching coach for The Durham, bulls played
By Robert. Wohl he's the guy who goes out to the.
Speaker 1: MOUND i didn't know his last name Was. Hockett, okay
so we're talking about the assistant. Managers now that's, Right,
LARRY i got. IT i got. It now go.
Speaker 3: Ahead So Larry hockett is played By Robert, wohl who
has been In.
Speaker 1: Batman.
Speaker 3: BATMAN i mean that's WHAT i know him. From he, is, uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah the Reporter Opportunity. Knox, yeah CAN i get a? Grant? Artless?
Speaker 3: Artless that's. RIGHT i was just. Saying he's a stand up.
Comedian And Ron sheldon hired him because he did the
absolute worst audition of all. Time he said he was
completely over the, top but, yeah had a super high
level of. Energy. Yeah he, thought you know what if
we can just redirect this guy a little, bit and,
so uh he. Became in his own, Words robert will,
said he was the yes. Man he's the guy when
they throw the bats into the shower and he's, like
anybody not the shower in ten seconds could fine hundred.
Dollars larry, One mississippi Two. Mississippi he. Was he was
the most middle manager guy you could. Be he was just,
there just like not contributing anything at all except to be, like, yep,
yep okay okay uh AND u candles make a good,
gift which solved one. Problem that was the least important
problem out of four. People talk about that. Line let's
talk about that line real.
Speaker 1: Quick, yeah he had lived that.
Speaker 3: Line so the original scripted, line he was supposed to
go out to the mound and they were supposed to
describe all these problems having, Right nuke's dad was there
and he was, nervous, right and his shackers were, jammed,
right and was, cursed and nobody knew what to get
Million jimmy for their wedding, gift, right, Right and so
the scripted line, was, OH i thought you said there
was a.
Speaker 1: Problem.
Speaker 3: Okay so it was at the end of the night
And Ron shelton he knew That Robert willis is creative,
guy and he knew he'd been kind of chewing on
this line all day, long and he'd been ready for.
It so they had done it four or five or six,
times and he's, like all, right whatever you, got last
take of the. Night go do. It so when he
runs out, there he says the infamous, Line he's, like,
well you, know candlesticks make a great, gift and maybe
you can find where she's registered and get a place set.
In all, right let's get to. Right and when they watched,
dailies the whole place busted up at that. Line so
and in his mind he, Thought, okay that was, great
that was kind of. FUN i got to crack up the.
Cast but he didn't think he'd ever see it. Again
and then when he watched the movie there it was,
yeah and it's one of the great lines in the.
Movie it's really, funny.
Speaker 1: Right and then to throw it back over To Major.
League the assistant manager on that one Is Pepper leach
played By Andy, romano who's just good AS i, mean
he's just a good, COMPLIMENT i think to Lou, brown
JUST i love that scene where they go both stand
side by side next To jake and Have ricky throw
it and they don't move an. Inch they look so.
Speaker 3: Awesome when he destroys the pepper, sign, yes he throws that,
Pitch it goes over the catcher's, head destroys the pepper
sign and he goes nice velocity sounded like.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, okay before we move on to the love,
interests let's just throw out the fact that there are
a lot of similarities to these to some of the
players here that are just side. Players so you got
two voodoo guys and you got Two christian. Guys the
voodoo guy For Bull durham Is jose who gets the
curt his girlfriend puts the curse on his burst and live.
Rooster have a live, reister, Right he's played By Rick.
Marsam and then the Infamous Pedro serrano is played By Dennis.
Haysbert oh my, gosh one of the best characters in
all movies, ever but certainly in this In Major.
Speaker 3: League, okay so let's talk About Pedro serano for just a. Second,
yeah for those of you who don't recognize this, GUY
i mean he's around a. Lot he does all of
The All state, commercials The All state, commercials the guy
with the de. Boys he looks completely, different, yes without
the goatee and the shaved. Head, right he was the
president in twenty. Four have you've ever seen twenty? Four?
Speaker 1: Yep so here's something you, know all of these guys
that they had come and play except For Wesley snipes
had baseball, experience AND i don't really know What Dennis
haysbert's experience, was but they said that every time he
was supposed to hit a homer in the, movie he
hit a.
Speaker 3: Homer. Right that's, incredible that's. Awesome like the reaction.
Speaker 1: That you see from everybody in the stands and everybody
on the field is a genuine reaction to the fact
that the actor just knocked it out of the.
Speaker 3: Park he was actually based on a real, Player Orlando. Sapata,
yes guy from the, seventies known to be just kind
of a big power and superstitious and. Superstitious.
Speaker 1: Yes and then we have Our christian players we have
For Major league we Have Eddie, harris who is played
By Chelsea, ross who's been in a bunch of. Stuff
he was In Basic instinct and he was also one
of the guys In.
Speaker 3: Hoosiers, yeah he was one of the, dads.
Speaker 1: Right and who had the player the Actor David neerdorf in.
It who was the player In Bull Durham, bobby the
one who gets cut from the. Team oh that's, Right
oh that is.
Speaker 3: COOL i didn't recognize that.
Speaker 1: Guy, yeah he does. Well just before where he gets,
cut but he's the one who's Asking jose to throw
some magic on his back because he hasn't been able
to hit all. Season but his improvement doesn't come soon
enough and the organization has decided to go a different.
Speaker 3: Way, Okay So Eddie harris is based on real life
Pitcher Gaylord, perry who was very well known to have
all types of illegal substances all over the.
Speaker 1: Place so and then The christian For Bull durham Was,
jimmy always wanting to give people his. Testimony Love jimmy
such a sweet.
Speaker 3: Guy And Ron shelton talked about how every team he's
ever been on there's always at least one religious, guy
AND i love that they don't play him off as
A he's.
Speaker 1: Not a Mockery. Chelsea Chelsea ross is there to be
made fun, of for, Sure But, JIMMY i, mean people
are snickering at, him but he's so genuine and delivers
that part so well that it's not a. Mockery you're exactly.
Speaker 3: Right let's talk About harris for a, second Because harris
is The christian, guy but you know he's he Steals
Joe boo's rum and he does some things that are
kind of Non. Christian BUT i Love Joe. BOO i
love the fact that he gets in that holy argument
With serrano when you know he's, like, well you, know
you might think about Taking Jesus christ as your, savior
and he's, like, ah, Hey SUE'S i like him very,
much but he no helped me with the. Curveball you're
trying to, Say Jesus, christ kid hit a. Curveball that
is one of the best lines in that.
Speaker 1: Movie and the guy who Played jimmy And Bull durham
also was With Charlie sheen in the Movie Hot.
Speaker 3: Shots all, right let's we ready to talk About susan, Standon,
No i'm not ready to talk about her. Yet, okay
let's talk about the announcers. First, okay.
Speaker 1: Okay so announcers For Bull durham Is, teddy who's played
By Garland, bunting who was not in a whole lot
of other, movies but he wasn't a movie Called, black
which also Starred Lolita, davidovich who is the wife Of Rod.
Speaker 3: Shelton, yeah he was the director of that.
Speaker 1: Movie his delivery is. FINE i love to listen to
him just because he's so dead. Band but just saying
some of the most hateful things about the.
Speaker 3: Team let's tell it like it, is sports, Fans these
dorm balls are playing like. Junk, YEAH.
Speaker 1: I love. It and then this Movie Major league would
not be the same movie Without Harry, doyle, right.
Speaker 3: Absolutely Bob. Buker, yes, So Bob buker was a pro.
Speaker 1: Ballplayer and you, know like many athletes back in the,
eighties Did miller like Commercials it's, great less Filling you remember?
Those oh, yeah, Right So David ward knew him from
those commercials and his other great acting, experience Mister, belvedere,
right and he's, like, Hey i'd love for him to
be the. Announcer he had no idea That Bob buker
had been the announcer for The Milwaukee brewers for the
last twenty.
Speaker 3: Years, yeah that's really. COOL i do remember his mill
Of light.
Speaker 1: Commercials, yes he.
Speaker 3: Would he was this crazy fan in the stands and
he'd be on the upper row and he'd be like
he missed the tag and they'd come and get. Him he's, like,
oh they're gonna move me to the front. Row. No
the best line that he delivers is the just a
bit outside.
Speaker 1: And that one's improved. Fantastic, Yeah ord was, like just
do it like you would do. It just just call
it like you would call a regular. Game he, would
he'd find out what was you, know what the plays
were that was going, on and he would call it
like it. Was and then he also the bit where
he takes the. WHISKY i, mean he's got a he's
got liquor or beer in front of him in every single,
scene but at one point he takes it and dabs
it behind his, Ears, like well that's All Bob, uker all,
RIGHT i am now ready to move on to the love. Interests,
well let's talk About wesley times.
Speaker 3: Before we dive into the love. Interest let's talk About wesley.
Speaker 1: Steps, Okay So Wesley snipes was one of the few
guys In Major league that did not have baseball.
Speaker 3: Experience, yeah he looked like an, athlete kind of acted
like an. Athlete he looked a.
Speaker 1: Lot more like an athlete in later, movies like when
you get Into blade And Demolition. Man in some of
those movies he had, obviously you, know he'd gotten in
contact With Charlie, sheen he'd muscled up a little.
Speaker 3: Bit but in this one he just kind of a
skinny guy well, right and he's based on real life
major league Player Ricky. Henderson Ricky henderson widely accept as
being the best lead off player of all time and
could steal bases like. WILD i mean just absolutely took
bases at, will very very fast.
Speaker 1: Player SO i told You i'm not, Really i'm not
a sports. Guy BUT i had an aunt who lived
In Castro, valley which is just not too far From,
oakland and so the Only Major league baseball games That
i've seen have been The Oakland a's And i've seen
him a couple, times and it was back in the,
eighties and SO i had My Ricky Henderson tops cards
along with Jose Can. Siko.
Speaker 3: Nice, yeah. Nice if you'll notice in the, movie you
never See Wesley snipes throw the.
Speaker 1: Baseball right because it's terrible.
Speaker 3: Because he couldn't do. It he couldn't do it an
throw a.
Speaker 1: Baseball he's an, actor, sorry he's not a not a
not a. Baller and all of his running scenes are
in slow, motion which is the way that he's able
to look so, fast because he's really not that fast.
Speaker 3: Either WHEN i watched, IT i can tell he can't.
HIT i can tell by looking at. Him he can't, hit,
right but he looked fast. ENOUGH i, mean you looked
fast enough to.
Speaker 1: Me so, yeah all, Right So Willie Mays. Hayes let's
talk about this real. Quick So Willie may's baseball, player,
right and he gets. Intro you, know he does the
basket catch Like Willie mays. Does he does that and
then nice catch. Catch hayes don't ever do it. Again,
Right but the other, One, hayes is not a baseball.
Player it took me forever to figure that.
Speaker 3: Out do you know, this, WELL i think he's that's
his last, name, Right.
Speaker 1: No he's based on a on a football player whose
last name Is, hayes whose first NAME i can't. Remember
his name was. Bullet, oh Bullet Bob.
Speaker 3: Hayes, yes Bullet Bob.
Speaker 1: Hayes thank. You i'm glad you knew. That i'm Glad
cowboys guy on. Here, yeah Bullet Bob. Hayes that was
The hayes because he's you, know he says hits Like,
mays runs Like. HAYES i couldn't figure out who the Heck. Hayes, oh,
Yeah bob the Bullet. Hayes Bullet Bob.
Speaker 3: Hayes that's. Right he was The Dallas, cowboy very very
very fast wide. Receiver, yeah maybe the fastest man in
the world at the time he was playing For Dallas.
Speaker 1: Cowboys. Right and we shouldn't leave Out Roger dorn.
Speaker 3: Either Corbyn burdson Playing Roger, Dorn.
Speaker 1: Yes WHO i know From La. Law AND i actually
don't know if he's been in anything else other than
this movie In La. LAW i, MEAN i know that
he was in the Other Major league, Movies Major League,
Too There You, go And Major League THREE i, think
Which i'm pretty sure That David ward just doesn't acknowledge
as a movie at, all BUT i think he goes
into ownership in one of. Those.
Speaker 3: Yeah So, doran that character he tries to, play he's
kind of a lovable prima. Donna, yeah he doesn't want
to do any of the extra. Work he doesn't want.
To he's, like my contract, says IF i don't have
to do any, KELSTONNIS i don't want to DO i
don't have. To, yes he cares more about his golf
game and his his stock, portfolio but he's still a likable. Guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm Just i'm trying to remember the line when
When serrano takes his golf, club warmer hats for.
Speaker 3: Bats that's for, bats keeps that. Warm hey, hey Hey. Pedrow, yeah,
okay all, right are we?
Speaker 1: Ready and then hold, on before we get to our love,
interests let's talk about our, Villain Rachel phelps real, quick
because In Bull, durham we don't have a, Villain like
there's just not one that's an interesting aspect of the.
Story you don't have a villain in this. Story but
In Major, league you've got. One and her name Is Rachel,
phelps and she's the show girl who's trying to make
the team the worst team in history so that she
can move down To Tampa. Bay as it turns, out
the way the script was originally written and they shot
it this, way was that it was all just a
ploy to give them like this movement to rally behind
so that they would become a great, team and that
her actual intention was to make them. Great audiences hated, it,
WELL i hated. It oh, yeah it was.
Speaker 3: Terrible are you kidding? Me she's the villain the entire.
Movie and at the very end she's, like, NO i
just wanted you guys to.
Speaker 1: Win, yeah it's, ridiculous it, is and you, know we're
looking at it from the way that we've seen the.
Movie BUT i think probably what happened is once they
had those test audiences, go, hey we didn't like her
as a secret good. Guy we like her as the,
villain and we want to keep her as a. VILLAIN
i think at that point they went back and shot
all of those scenes where she's where she's watching from
up in the stands and griping and cheering at their
losing and that kind of.
Speaker 3: Thing, yep when she they had to reshoot the scene
where she's, LIKE i hate that effing song for. Me before,
this but she was In secret Of My. Success she's
the one she's always trying to Seduce MICHAEL. J fox
in that.
Speaker 1: Movie was that the Ant?
Speaker 3: Yeah And, Beery oh my, GOSH.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize. That that's. Fantastic oh, MAN i Love
secret Of My. SUCCESS i can't BELIEVE i didn't realize.
That even still thinking about, It i'm, like that's the same. Lady,
wow that's. Crazy it's the.
Speaker 3: One Chasing brandley around the pool the whole. Time, yeah but,
YEAH i love when the scene where they have a
little pin up of her in the locker room and
every time they win a, game they remove a piece
of her. Clothing of. Course Former vegas. Showgirl, yeah of
course you loved.
Speaker 1: It it was the. Eighties were pre teenagers at that.
Point keep on.
Speaker 3: Winning, yeah all, right, guys that's gonna wrap it up
for episode one Of Bullderm Versus Major. League, wait whoa,
whoa whoa.
Speaker 1: Wa we didn't talk About. Susan she is on the
list for. Today cross her.
Speaker 3: Off then all, right thanks, guys we will see you next.
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