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Speaker 1: Welcome to Surely You Can't Be Serious Podcast. Remember it

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious Podcast,

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discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties

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and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D.

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Graves and Jason Colbin.

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Speaker 3: All right, D, let's go. We're gonna announce my presence

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with authority and now I'm gonna the.

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Speaker 1: Entire pot announce your announce your what, announce your having

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presence with authority, show my heat.

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Speaker 3: Hang on, everybody, hang on second, Hey, D can help

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you with it. Rose goes in the front, big guy.

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Speaker 1: Very nice. Yeah, we're here to talk about two of

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the best baseball movies of the eighties, Bull Durham and Major.

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Speaker 3: We're so excited. I am a former high school baseball player,

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and when I was in high school, man, we quoted

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these movies all the time locker room bench, during the game.

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Speaker 1: I am a former little league baseball player, and so Jason,

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you will be our resident baseball expert for this episode.

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Speaker 3: Well that sounds good. I am a big baseball fan.

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I love the major leagues. I grew up watching minor

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league baseball in my hometown, so baseball has always been

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a huge part of my life. And I love these movies.

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So I'm very excited to talk to these with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I you know, I don't want to sell myself

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too short. I've coached a little league for my boys.

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We won the entire season for our t ball team

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for one of my boys. But yeah, let's roll on this.

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We've got Major League and Bull Durham. Let's talk about

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when those movies came out.

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Speaker 3: So Bull Durham was released June fifteenth, nineteen eighty eight,

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and then not quite a year later, Major League was

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released April seven, nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: Right, so, Jason, which one of these movies is your favorite?

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Speaker 3: We're gonna tell it right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to this question. They're both

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so freaking good I can't I still don't know the answer.

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Speaker 3: They're both awesome, They're both extremely quotable. I think they

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both have a lot to offer. But I'm gonna hold

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my opinion until the very end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to because I just still don't

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Speaker 3: I will tell you this though. I'll tell you this.

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Sports Illustrated rank Bull Durham as the number one sports

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movie of all time. So let's start with Bullderham.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll start with Bull Durham. So Bull Durham was

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written and directed by Ron Shelton. Ron was a minor

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league baseball player himself, played from sixty seven to seventy

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one for the Baltimore Orioles Farm Team, played second base.

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He's written several other movies. But he got together with

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Kurt Russell, who some of you may not know, was

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also a minor league ballplayer. He would he'd go shoot

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movies and then he'd go play ball, and people at

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the ballpark were like, hey, you know, you're not really

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focusing on baseball, and he was like, yeah, you're right.

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I guess I'll go make lots and lots of movies.

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Speaker 3: You know, that really blows my mind because Kurt Russell

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is a full blown movie star when we know who

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this guy is. But he was also a professional baseball player.

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But he's been an actor since he was very young.

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I mean, yeah, he was Disney movies actor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kid movies, The Computer War, Tennis shoes, right, right.

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So have you seen the documentary that he did about

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it was called The Battered Bastards of Baseball.

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Speaker 3: No, I haven't even heard of it.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So his dad being Russell, who was also an actor.

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He was in Bonanza and some other stuff. But he

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owned a minor league team called the Portland Mavericks. And

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there's been a documentary that's come out in the last

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couple of years about that team and it is awesome.

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I love it. You need to check it out.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Cool. I may not be a sports guy, but I

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am a sports movie guy, and this one, I mean,

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it's just it's it's great. Being Russell is a character.

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I like it. I think you'd really enjoy it. So anyway,

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Ron Shelton Bullderham, Right. So, Ron and Kurt Russell get

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together and they put together this script based kind of

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on both of their experiences as minor league baseball players,

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and it was intended that Kurt Russell was going to

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play the part of Crash Davis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they said he went out of town for

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a few days and when he came back, Ron had

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given that part to Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner actually had

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talked to Ron Shelton. This is before Kevin Costner was

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a household name, right, So they shot this in nineteen

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eighty seven. The Untouchables was released in eighty seven. That's

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what kind of ramped him up. Untouchables in no way outright.

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So Kevin Costner was like, hey, listen, I played baseball

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in high school. I love baseball. In fact, let me

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show you. And so he dragged Ron Shelton to the

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batting cages and just wanted to demonstrate to him. Look,

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I can play a little bit. You know. I wasn't

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in the big time, but I can hit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He switch hits during the movie. I don't know

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if you noticed that, but Kurt was known for being

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a solid hitter. Wasn't that great in the field because

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he spent time making movies instead of practicing, But he

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was a switch hitter as well. So it's just kind

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of weird. I think this movie might have done as

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well with Kurt Russell as the character. But at this point,

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Kevin Costner's locked into my memory as Crash Davis.

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Speaker 3: Well, Kevin Costner doesn't knock it out of the park

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as Crash Davis, But I mean, you're right, I think

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Kurt Russell. First of all, he could look like a

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baseball player, which is huge. Before we really go any further,

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Ron Shelton makes this point most actors want to be

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athletes but can't, and they can't even pretend to be athletes. Right,

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But Kevin Costner and Kurt Russell were the only two

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guys that he found that he felt like could pull

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off visually what a baseball player looks like. I mean,

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I've got a list of guys that were considered for

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this role. H should we go through this list? This

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is incredible list, Sure, go for it. Considered was Mel Gibson,

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Harrison ford, Don Johnson, Jeff Bridges, Nick Nolty, and even

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for a brief moment, Bruce Willis with Sybil Shepherd as

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Annie Savoy was considered.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny because they were still full on Moonlighting

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Speaker 3: They were full on Moonline. Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And Nick Nolty he had been in the Football

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movie earlier, so was obviously an athlete, but just he

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didn't like baseball.

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Speaker 3: Well I'm glad he didn't take it.

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Speaker 1: Then. You know, this movie, I think opened the door

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for a lot of baseball movies. It was kind of

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this that led into Eight Men Out and Major League

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and a league of their own A lot of lot, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: In fact, at this time when he was pitching this

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to the studios, sports movies in general are kind of

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known to be not great moneymakers, but baseball movies, I mean,

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you think before this movie there was kind of a

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run on baseball movies in the late eighties. But before this,

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I mean we're talking about like The Bad News Bears

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was the last reasonably made baseball movie.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, which is a fantastic movie, by the way,

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come on, butter crud anyway, so it opens the door

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to other movies, including our other movie, which is Major League.

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Major League was written and directed by David Ward. Now,

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David Ward had come into Hollywood. He had been teaching

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like screen writing at a college level and then sold

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a script called The Sting and it ended up winning

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Best Screenplay, so it opened a lot of doors for him.

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this one. He had been pitching this movie since nineteen

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eighty two and couldn't get anybody to bite on it because,

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like you said, sports movies weren't doing anything. And then

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Bull Durham comes along, everybody falls in love with it,

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and now Major League gets the green light.

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Speaker 3: I think it's really cool. David Ward was a Cleveland

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Indians fan. Yeah, he was fulfilling his own fantasy of

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seeing the Cleveland Indians win the Pennant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he said he thought the only one he said,

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he thought, the only way he was ever going to

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see them win is if he put it in a movie.

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Speaker 3: Yep. Cleveland City at that time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were the dregs of the league, and

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it's Cleveland is such a major part of this movie.

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on top of it. Even so, I don't know if

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you know this, but this is sort of based on

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a story of a real guy named Calvin Griffith who

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owned the Minnesota Twins, and he's infamous and famous for

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a lot of things. Billy Martin was his manager that

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he both hired and then fired later on. But he

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had this deal when they moved into the Metrodome in

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eighty two. Yeah, part of the lease that he had

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four million people each year for a period of three years,

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they were released from their lease. And he was legitimately

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Speaker 3: Right Florida was held out as this wonderful destination for

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major League Baseball to come. So he threw out a

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bunch of scrubs and intentionally tried to make the attendance

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Speaker 1: But he ended up selling to another group anyway. But

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so he had done the sting. He had fallen out

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of favor with some bad projects and then did some

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work with Robert Redford, and once bul Durham was a success,

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he was able to get his movie made.

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Speaker 3: I love the fact that even though Cleveland does play

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a major part in this, it really wasn't filmed in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, they filmed almost all of it in Milwaukee.

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because the Cleveland Browns were playing their preseason games and

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they couldn't tear up the field. And all you see

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Baseball Wise is filmed in Milwaukee. Shall we move on

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to the over simplified plot?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to go first on Bull Durham? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Okay, the oversimplified plot of Bull Durham. Young upcoming, hard

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throwing wild pitcher Ebbie Calvin nuclear Looche is in the

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he needs somebody to guide him. So management decides, let's

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get this better and catcher that we think is really smart.

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His name is Crash Davis. Let's buy out his contract

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in TRIPAA, bring him down to a ball so he

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can guide and direct this young talented pitcher. Meanwhile, Annie

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Savoy the town baseball group. He takes it upon herself

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to guide and direct a young prospect every season to

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get them to the major leagues. So Crash and Annie

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what a baseball group he is called an Annie? Okay,

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oversimplified plot for Major League Former Las Vegas showgirl Rachel

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She is intent on getting the team moved from Cleveland

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down to Florida, but when told that there's no way

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that the city will release her from the lease, she

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will be released from their lease. She then commences to

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put together one of the worst teams imaginable. This guy's

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dead crops him off the list. She puts together a

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team of horrible players, including pitcher Ricky Vaughan, catcher Jake

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beyond his time. The team performs poorly, but not poorly

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then decides to win the whole effing thing. The Indians, then, again,

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to all odds, begin to win, all the while Jake

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Taylor tries to rekindle his romance with his ex love Lynn,

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and the Cleveland Indians go on to win the pennant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it's such a good movie. I love this movie.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jason, let's compare the rosters for each of these teams.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that sounds good. All right. So crash Davis is

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the main character from Bull Durham. He's Kevin Costner's character,

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and he was actually named after a real person, Lawrence

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crash Davis. I don't know if you know this story

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or not, but he was kind of scouring the old

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magazines of baseball players, came across this name and loved it.

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Assumed that the guy was dead because it was an

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old magazine. Yeah, he played from He played actually for

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the Durham Bulls from nineteen forty six to nineteen fifty two,

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and then found out later the guy was very much alive,

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and so they were really trying to kind of wanted

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him to let them use his name. He came to

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the first day of filming and he said, how you doing.

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I'm Crash Davis and he said, I only have one

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question for you. Do I end up with the girl

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at the end? He said, yes, you do. He said, great,

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you can use my name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The real crash Davis actually ended up being in

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another movie, Ron Shelton's later on called Cobb.

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Speaker 3: The character of crash Davis was modeled after William Holden's

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character from The Wild Bunch. He wanted him to be

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like a modern day gun slinger moving from town to town.

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He has no family, he's got no home. He just

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goes where the money is and that's He's just a

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hired gun.

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Speaker 1: Right. So for Major League, our catcher is Jake Taylor,

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played by Tom Barringer. He's based on Carlton Fisk. You

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know they mentioned that Jake Taylor is an all star

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in Boston. But Jake has come from the Mexican League

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and has one of the best introductory shots. I think

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I love what he says.

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Speaker 3: He gets the phone call, Hey Jake, this is the

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Cleveland Indians. He's like, is that you? Tolbert Funny ooh,

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I'm hungover.

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Speaker 1: He could have pretended it was the Yankees. All right.

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Speaker 3: Back to Bull Durham.

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Speaker 1: So we have our pitcher, Ebbie Calvin nuke Lalouche. Did

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you know that he was named after a waiter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I heard this story. Yes, Shelton was eating at

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a restaurant and the guy came up to him and said, Hi,

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how you doing. I'm Ebbie Calvin LaRouche, but you can

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call me Nuke. So he's played by Tim Robbins. They

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actually Ron Shelton had to go to bat.

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Speaker 1: For Tim Robbins, right.

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Speaker 3: The studio did not want him at all.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that Charlie Sheen was actually considered for

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this part as well?

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Speaker 3: I did see that, Yes, but he had already been

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hired to play in Eight Man Out. But the studio

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really wanted Anthony Michael Hall.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's right. Which man that would have been?

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That would have been wrong? Yeah, several while.

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Speaker 3: In case you may not remember who Anthony Michael Hall is,

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he is the nerd from the Breakfast Club. I mean,

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if you're listening to this podcast, you probably know.

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Speaker 1: Who, right, or the nerd from sixteen Candles or the

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nerd from weird science science. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: He played in the movie called Johnny Be Good. We

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was a football player. He did okay in that he

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did okay. But anyway, he arrived to the meeting with

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Ron Shelton thirty minutes late and had not read the script.

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Speaker 1: Ooh.

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Speaker 3: The producer said he thought Ron Scheldt was gonna kill

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him right then. Yeah, So they put it off till

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the next day, and when he arrived he had only

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read half of the script and so they chased him

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off and said, forget you, this is not happening. Forget

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That's what they said. Yeah, So Charlie Sheen was also considered,

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also considered David Duchovney.

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Speaker 1: Again, that doesn't that wouldn't be right for a guy

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to be named Calvin nuklalouch. He has to be six'

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five and all kinds of, lanking, Right AND.

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Speaker 3: I Mean Tim robbins is six foot five and pictures

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are generally tall and, long you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yeah And david d'coffney is not.

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Speaker 3: Tall, ALONG i DID i found something out about this

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character nukele. Loosh this character is based on a real,

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Person Steve. Dalkowski so this guy played in the late.

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Fifties Ron shelton's former, Manager joe Al tabelli was ordered

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to Help Steve dalkowski get ready for the big. Leagues

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his nickname Was White. Lightning, okay this. Guy, basically it's

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agreed upon that he threw between one hundred and one

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hundred and. Ten they didn't have radar.

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Speaker 1: Guns back, there, yeah, right no.

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Speaker 3: Radar Cal Ripkins senior he has said publicly that he

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thinks the guy may have hit one. Fifteen Arondis, chapman

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who is an Active Major League baseball, player he can

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he throws one, hundred four hundred and. FIVE i mean

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that is a different. GEAR i mean when you if

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you ever played, baseball when you get into the, nineties

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that's super. Smoke you get in the upper nineties and

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that's ridiculous. Heat one hundred and ten is. UNHITTABLE i,

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mean it's unbelievably.

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Speaker 1: Fast right in the time that they have been recording

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the speed of pitches with radar, guns there has never

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been a pitch faster than one hundred and six miles an, hour.

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Speaker 3: Right Like Nolan ryan was like a. Hundred but, Anyway

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dalkowski is this. GUY i, mean there's all kinds Of

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lore with, Him dulkowski struck out more batters and walked

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more batters than any professional pitcher in. History, okay so

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we were talking about how the studio did not Want

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Tim robbins as they're. Nuke they really Wanted Anthony Michael.

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Hall Ron shelton finally just said, No i've got to

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have this. GUY i really Want Tim. Robbins and the

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studio's response to that, was the audience will not believe

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that a guy like him would be with a woman

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Like Susan. Sarandon, right she's too high, class she's too

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pretty for him and all. That, well as it turns,

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out they have this little. Romance they were together for

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over twenty.

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Speaker 1: Years the actual, Actors, Yeah sarandon And Tim robbins got

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together because of this.

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Speaker 3: Movie they have three, kids And Ron shelton's actually the

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godfather of their firstborn, child which is a really cool.

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Speaker 1: Story, right that's. Awesome, Okay so pitching for The Cleveland

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indians Is ricky Wild Thing. VAUGHN i love this. Guy, yeah,

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MAN i tell, you it's got to be one of

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the most memorable. SCENES i remember seeing this one in

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the theater and when he walks out for that final

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game and comes out with The glas glasses. On, yep

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this is the coolest.

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Speaker 2: Guy in the.

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Speaker 3: World when the owner of the, Team Rachel, Phelps she's,

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LIKE i hate this effing.

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Speaker 1: Song, Right so he's. Played he's played By Charlie, sheen

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who had actually played high school ball and had been

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offered to play FOR i believe it was The university Of.

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Kansas is that?

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Speaker 3: Right? Yeah Kansas, jayhawks that's.

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Speaker 1: Right and obviously he went on to be an, actor

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was in several, movies Including Eight Men out and then

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some of our favorites Like Ferris Bueller's Day, off and

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then kind of gained some renowned in the last ten

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years for being a drug.

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Speaker 3: Freak he's been In Feris Bueler's Day, off, right he

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was In, platoon he was In Young, Guns Minute, Work, Winning.

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Speaker 1: Winning and speaking of, drugs he admitted later on that

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he actually took steroids to prepare for this role and

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increase the speed of his fastball from seventy something up

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to about eighty.

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Speaker 3: Five but he's actually based on a real Life did

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you see.

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Speaker 1: This, yeah he's based On Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Duran Ryan duran is known for his blazing fastball and terrible.

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Eyesight in, FACT i asked my dad about this because

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my dad was a baseball, player and first thing he said, was, oh, yeah,

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man he threw really, hard but he had glasses the

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size of coke.

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Speaker 1: Bottles let's talk about the, Manager skip played By Trey,

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wilson who was also in one of my favorite movies

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Called Raising arizona Played Nathan arizona in that. MOVIE i

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love that. Guy we lost him too. Soon he died

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just a few, months like nine months after this movie came,

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out at the age of.

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Speaker 3: FORTY i, think, yeah he had a cerebral hemorrhage and.

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Speaker 1: Died for.

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Speaker 3: Me he is the manager In Bull, durham but you're.

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Right In Raising arizona he has one of the funniest

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lines of the entire movie when they're, like could you

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describe what the child was wearing and he's, LIKE i don't.

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Know it Was jammy's And yoda's on.

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Speaker 1: Them you.

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Speaker 3: Know.

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Speaker 1: Great isn't it true that your real name Is Nathan.

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Huffhines would you buy furniture from a place Called Painted? Huffines?

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Speaker 3: Yeah he. Does he does the managerial job in this

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and is super. Funny, yeah he's hilarious and his he's.

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Speaker 1: Great both of the managers in both of these movies are,

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awesome but it's a totally different. Part his manager is,

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THIS i don't know what to, do the kind Of.

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Forlorn please help. ME i just can't deal with this

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kind of. Guy whereas In Major, league if we're ready

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to move on to, that we've Got Lou brown played

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By James, gammon who is maybe the. COOLEST i mean

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his do not give a f.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't even blank and the owner comes. In he's buck.

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Naked i'm old to be diving behind.

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Speaker 1: Longer one of MY i think one of my favorite

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scenes is Where dorn brings him the contract and, says

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what do you think about? That not a?

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Speaker 3: Word not a? Word just flop zip WE i, MEAN

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i tell, you we quoted this movie all the TIME

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i get in front of the Ball. Dorn don't give me,

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This oh, Lady, Yeah, OH i don't. KNOW i got

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a guy on another line about.

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Speaker 1: Wall.

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Speaker 3: YEAH i love both of these. Guys all, Right so

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do you want to talk About Susan strandon and we

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want to talk About Larry. Hockett, WELL i don't know

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Who Larry hockett, Is so let's talk about. Him Larry

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hockett is the pitching coach for The Durham, bulls played

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By Robert. Wohl he's the guy who goes out to the.

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Speaker 1: MOUND i didn't know his last name Was. Hockett, okay

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so we're talking about the assistant. Managers now that's, Right,

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LARRY i got. IT i got. It now go.

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Speaker 3: Ahead So Larry hockett is played By Robert, wohl who

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has been In.

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Speaker 1: Batman.

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Speaker 3: BATMAN i mean that's WHAT i know him. From he, is, uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah the Reporter Opportunity. Knox, yeah CAN i get a? Grant? Artless?

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Speaker 3: Artless that's. RIGHT i was just. Saying he's a stand up.

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Comedian And Ron sheldon hired him because he did the

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absolute worst audition of all. Time he said he was

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completely over the, top but, yeah had a super high

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level of. Energy. Yeah he, thought you know what if

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we can just redirect this guy a little, bit and,

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so uh he. Became in his own, Words robert will,

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said he was the yes. Man he's the guy when

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they throw the bats into the shower and he's, like

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anybody not the shower in ten seconds could fine hundred.

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Dollars larry, One mississippi Two. Mississippi he. Was he was

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the most middle manager guy you could. Be he was just,

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there just like not contributing anything at all except to be, like, yep,

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yep okay okay uh AND u candles make a good,

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gift which solved one. Problem that was the least important

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problem out of four. People talk about that. Line let's

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talk about that line real.

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Speaker 1: Quick, yeah he had lived that.

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Speaker 3: Line so the original scripted, line he was supposed to

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go out to the mound and they were supposed to

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describe all these problems having, Right nuke's dad was there

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and he was, nervous, right and his shackers were, jammed,

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right and was, cursed and nobody knew what to get

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Million jimmy for their wedding, gift, right, Right and so

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the scripted line, was, OH i thought you said there

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00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:15,400
was a.

467
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,519
Speaker 1: Problem.

468
00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: Okay so it was at the end of the night

469
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:24,880
And Ron shelton he knew That Robert willis is creative,

470
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,799
guy and he knew he'd been kind of chewing on

471
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:28,920
this line all day, long and he'd been ready for.

472
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,640
It so they had done it four or five or six,

473
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,440
times and he's, like all, right whatever you, got last

474
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,200
take of the. Night go do. It so when he

475
00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:37,599
runs out, there he says the infamous, Line he's, like,

476
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,119
well you, know candlesticks make a great, gift and maybe

477
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,039
you can find where she's registered and get a place set.

478
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:46,119
In all, right let's get to. Right and when they watched,

479
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,279
dailies the whole place busted up at that. Line so

480
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,039
and in his mind he, Thought, okay that was, great

481
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:54,759
that was kind of. FUN i got to crack up the.

482
00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:57,279
Cast but he didn't think he'd ever see it. Again

483
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:59,720
and then when he watched the movie there it was,

484
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,759
yeah and it's one of the great lines in the.

485
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:03,039
Movie it's really, funny.

486
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: Right and then to throw it back over To Major.

487
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,680
League the assistant manager on that one Is Pepper leach

488
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:14,680
played By Andy, romano who's just good AS i, mean

489
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,200
he's just a good, COMPLIMENT i think to Lou, brown

490
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,400
JUST i love that scene where they go both stand

491
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,160
side by side next To jake and Have ricky throw

492
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,680
it and they don't move an. Inch they look so.

493
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: Awesome when he destroys the pepper, sign, yes he throws that,

494
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,440
Pitch it goes over the catcher's, head destroys the pepper

495
00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:39,039
sign and he goes nice velocity sounded like.

496
00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, okay before we move on to the love,

497
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:49,640
interests let's just throw out the fact that there are

498
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,599
a lot of similarities to these to some of the

499
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,160
players here that are just side. Players so you got

500
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:58,079
two voodoo guys and you got Two christian. Guys the

501
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,319
voodoo guy For Bull durham Is jose who gets the

502
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,319
curt his girlfriend puts the curse on his burst and live.

503
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,960
Rooster have a live, reister, Right he's played By Rick.

504
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:15,200
Marsam and then the Infamous Pedro serrano is played By Dennis.

505
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,400
Haysbert oh my, gosh one of the best characters in

506
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,240
all movies, ever but certainly in this In Major.

507
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: League, okay so let's talk About Pedro serano for just a. Second,

508
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,240
yeah for those of you who don't recognize this, GUY

509
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,240
i mean he's around a. Lot he does all of

510
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,480
The All state, commercials The All state, commercials the guy

511
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,559
with the de. Boys he looks completely, different, yes without

512
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:38,960
the goatee and the shaved. Head, right he was the

513
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,880
president in twenty. Four have you've ever seen twenty? Four?

514
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: Yep so here's something you, know all of these guys

515
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,960
that they had come and play except For Wesley snipes

516
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:53,799
had baseball, experience AND i don't really know What Dennis

517
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:57,720
haysbert's experience, was but they said that every time he

518
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:00,759
was supposed to hit a homer in the, movie he

519
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,200
hit a.

520
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,519
Speaker 3: Homer. Right that's, incredible that's. Awesome like the reaction.

521
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,799
Speaker 1: That you see from everybody in the stands and everybody

522
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,359
on the field is a genuine reaction to the fact

523
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,240
that the actor just knocked it out of the.

524
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:18,519
Speaker 3: Park he was actually based on a real, Player Orlando. Sapata,

525
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,119
yes guy from the, seventies known to be just kind

526
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,079
of a big power and superstitious and. Superstitious.

527
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,759
Speaker 1: Yes and then we have Our christian players we have

528
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,880
For Major league we Have Eddie, harris who is played

529
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,880
By Chelsea, ross who's been in a bunch of. Stuff

530
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,920
he was In Basic instinct and he was also one

531
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:39,960
of the guys In.

532
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 3: Hoosiers, yeah he was one of the, dads.

533
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: Right and who had the player the Actor David neerdorf in.

534
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,480
It who was the player In Bull Durham, bobby the

535
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:55,400
one who gets cut from the. Team oh that's, Right

536
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,200
oh that is.

537
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: COOL i didn't recognize that.

538
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,519
Speaker 1: Guy, yeah he does. Well just before where he gets,

539
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,400
cut but he's the one who's Asking jose to throw

540
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,519
some magic on his back because he hasn't been able

541
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,680
to hit all. Season but his improvement doesn't come soon

542
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,480
enough and the organization has decided to go a different.

543
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:16,039
Speaker 3: Way, Okay So Eddie harris is based on real life

544
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:21,000
Pitcher Gaylord, perry who was very well known to have

545
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,599
all types of illegal substances all over the.

546
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,319
Speaker 1: Place so and then The christian For Bull durham Was,

547
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,480
jimmy always wanting to give people his. Testimony Love jimmy

548
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,240
such a sweet.

549
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: Guy And Ron shelton talked about how every team he's

550
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,960
ever been on there's always at least one religious, guy

551
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,039
AND i love that they don't play him off as

552
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:42,960
A he's.

553
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,799
Speaker 1: Not a Mockery. Chelsea Chelsea ross is there to be

554
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:50,119
made fun, of for, Sure But, JIMMY i, mean people

555
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,359
are snickering at, him but he's so genuine and delivers

556
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,480
that part so well that it's not a. Mockery you're exactly.

557
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,799
Speaker 3: Right let's talk About harris for a, second Because harris

558
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,960
is The christian, guy but you know he's he Steals

559
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,039
Joe boo's rum and he does some things that are

560
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:13,079
kind of Non. Christian BUT i Love Joe. BOO i

561
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,400
love the fact that he gets in that holy argument

562
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,119
With serrano when you know he's, like, well you, know

563
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,119
you might think about Taking Jesus christ as your, savior

564
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,279
and he's, like, ah, Hey SUE'S i like him very,

565
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,279
much but he no helped me with the. Curveball you're

566
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,079
trying to, Say Jesus, christ kid hit a. Curveball that

567
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,759
is one of the best lines in that.

568
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:34,599
Speaker 1: Movie and the guy who Played jimmy And Bull durham

569
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,400
also was With Charlie sheen in the Movie Hot.

570
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,839
Speaker 3: Shots all, right let's we ready to talk About susan, Standon,

571
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:46,319
No i'm not ready to talk about her. Yet, okay

572
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:48,720
let's talk about the announcers. First, okay.

573
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: Okay so announcers For Bull durham Is, teddy who's played

574
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,960
By Garland, bunting who was not in a whole lot

575
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960
of other, movies but he wasn't a movie Called, black

576
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:06,119
which also Starred Lolita, davidovich who is the wife Of Rod.

577
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,079
Speaker 3: Shelton, yeah he was the director of that.

578
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:12,119
Speaker 1: Movie his delivery is. FINE i love to listen to

579
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,279
him just because he's so dead. Band but just saying

580
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,079
some of the most hateful things about the.

581
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: Team let's tell it like it, is sports, Fans these

582
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,200
dorm balls are playing like. Junk, YEAH.

583
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,079
Speaker 1: I love. It and then this Movie Major league would

584
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,920
not be the same movie Without Harry, doyle, right.

585
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely Bob. Buker, yes, So Bob buker was a pro.

586
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,359
Speaker 1: Ballplayer and you, know like many athletes back in the,

587
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,799
eighties Did miller like Commercials it's, great less Filling you remember?

588
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:50,599
Those oh, yeah, Right So David ward knew him from

589
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,200
those commercials and his other great acting, experience Mister, belvedere,

590
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,079
right and he's, like, Hey i'd love for him to

591
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:01,640
be the. Announcer he had no idea That Bob buker

592
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,359
had been the announcer for The Milwaukee brewers for the

593
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:04,920
last twenty.

594
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,799
Speaker 3: Years, yeah that's really. COOL i do remember his mill

595
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,079
Of light.

596
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:09,359
Speaker 1: Commercials, yes he.

597
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,839
Speaker 3: Would he was this crazy fan in the stands and

598
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,759
he'd be on the upper row and he'd be like

599
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,240
he missed the tag and they'd come and get. Him he's, like,

600
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:20,279
oh they're gonna move me to the front. Row. No

601
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,240
the best line that he delivers is the just a

602
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:24,680
bit outside.

603
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: And that one's improved. Fantastic, Yeah ord was, like just

604
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,000
do it like you would do. It just just call

605
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:32,160
it like you would call a regular. Game he, would

606
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,559
he'd find out what was you, know what the plays

607
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,839
were that was going, on and he would call it

608
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,200
like it. Was and then he also the bit where

609
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,920
he takes the. WHISKY i, mean he's got a he's

610
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400
got liquor or beer in front of him in every single,

611
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,599
scene but at one point he takes it and dabs

612
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:52,880
it behind his, Ears, like well that's All Bob, uker all,

613
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,920
RIGHT i am now ready to move on to the love. Interests,

614
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,920
well let's talk About wesley times.

615
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,319
Speaker 3: Before we dive into the love. Interest let's talk About wesley.

616
00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: Steps, Okay So Wesley snipes was one of the few

617
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,720
guys In Major league that did not have baseball.

618
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:14,839
Speaker 3: Experience, yeah he looked like an, athlete kind of acted

619
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,400
like an. Athlete he looked a.

620
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Lot more like an athlete in later, movies like when

621
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,920
you get Into blade And Demolition. Man in some of

622
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,240
those movies he had, obviously you, know he'd gotten in

623
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,799
contact With Charlie, sheen he'd muscled up a little.

624
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: Bit but in this one he just kind of a

625
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,160
skinny guy well, right and he's based on real life

626
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,839
major league Player Ricky. Henderson Ricky henderson widely accept as

627
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,400
being the best lead off player of all time and

628
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,640
could steal bases like. WILD i mean just absolutely took

629
00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,240
bases at, will very very fast.

630
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,359
Speaker 1: Player SO i told You i'm not, Really i'm not

631
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,759
a sports. Guy BUT i had an aunt who lived

632
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,799
In Castro, valley which is just not too far From,

633
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,920
oakland and so the Only Major league baseball games That

634
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,599
i've seen have been The Oakland a's And i've seen

635
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,480
him a couple, times and it was back in the,

636
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:05,160
eighties and SO i had My Ricky Henderson tops cards

637
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,359
along with Jose Can. Siko.

638
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: Nice, yeah. Nice if you'll notice in the, movie you

639
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,200
never See Wesley snipes throw the.

640
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,119
Speaker 1: Baseball right because it's terrible.

641
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,119
Speaker 3: Because he couldn't do. It he couldn't do it an

642
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,519
throw a.

643
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Baseball he's an, actor, sorry he's not a not a

644
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,799
not a. Baller and all of his running scenes are

645
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,920
in slow, motion which is the way that he's able

646
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,839
to look so, fast because he's really not that fast.

647
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,559
Speaker 3: Either WHEN i watched, IT i can tell he can't.

648
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,079
HIT i can tell by looking at. Him he can't, hit,

649
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,440
right but he looked fast. ENOUGH i, mean you looked

650
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,039
fast enough to.

651
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:41,559
Speaker 1: Me so, yeah all, Right So Willie Mays. Hayes let's

652
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:45,480
talk about this real. Quick So Willie may's baseball, player,

653
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,000
right and he gets. Intro you, know he does the

654
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,240
basket catch Like Willie mays. Does he does that and

655
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:55,160
then nice catch. Catch hayes don't ever do it. Again,

656
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:00,000
Right but the other, One, hayes is not a baseball.

657
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Player it took me forever to figure that.

658
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: Out do you know, this, WELL i think he's that's

659
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,400
his last, name, Right.

660
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,799
Speaker 1: No he's based on a on a football player whose

661
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,160
last name Is, hayes whose first NAME i can't. Remember

662
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,599
his name was. Bullet, oh Bullet Bob.

663
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: Hayes, yes Bullet Bob.

664
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,319
Speaker 1: Hayes thank. You i'm glad you knew. That i'm Glad

665
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:20,599
cowboys guy on. Here, yeah Bullet Bob. Hayes that was

666
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,599
The hayes because he's you, know he says hits Like,

667
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,559
mays runs Like. HAYES i couldn't figure out who the Heck. Hayes, oh,

668
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,960
Yeah bob the Bullet. Hayes Bullet Bob.

669
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: Hayes that's. Right he was The Dallas, cowboy very very

670
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,079
very fast wide. Receiver, yeah maybe the fastest man in

671
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:40,839
the world at the time he was playing For Dallas.

672
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,839
Speaker 1: Cowboys. Right and we shouldn't leave Out Roger dorn.

673
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,599
Speaker 3: Either Corbyn burdson Playing Roger, Dorn.

674
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:53,359
Speaker 1: Yes WHO i know From La. Law AND i actually

675
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,279
don't know if he's been in anything else other than

676
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,720
this movie In La. LAW i, MEAN i know that

677
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,000
he was in the Other Major league, Movies Major League,

678
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,759
Too There You, go And Major League THREE i, think

679
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,799
Which i'm pretty sure That David ward just doesn't acknowledge

680
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,079
as a movie at, all BUT i think he goes

681
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:12,719
into ownership in one of. Those.

682
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah So, doran that character he tries to, play he's

683
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,239
kind of a lovable prima. Donna, yeah he doesn't want

684
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,320
to do any of the extra. Work he doesn't want.

685
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,440
To he's, like my contract, says IF i don't have

686
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,239
to do any, KELSTONNIS i don't want to DO i

687
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,800
don't have. To, yes he cares more about his golf

688
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,800
game and his his stock, portfolio but he's still a likable. Guy.

689
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm Just i'm trying to remember the line when

690
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,559
When serrano takes his golf, club warmer hats for.

691
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:52,599
Speaker 3: Bats that's for, bats keeps that. Warm hey, hey Hey. Pedrow, yeah,

692
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,079
okay all, right are we?

693
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,559
Speaker 1: Ready and then hold, on before we get to our love,

694
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,639
interests let's talk about our, Villain Rachel phelps real, quick

695
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,679
because In Bull, durham we don't have a, Villain like

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there's just not one that's an interesting aspect of the.

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Story you don't have a villain in this. Story but

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In Major, league you've got. One and her name Is Rachel,

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phelps and she's the show girl who's trying to make

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the team the worst team in history so that she

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can move down To Tampa. Bay as it turns, out

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the way the script was originally written and they shot

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it this, way was that it was all just a

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ploy to give them like this movement to rally behind

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so that they would become a great, team and that

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her actual intention was to make them. Great audiences hated, it,

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WELL i hated. It oh, yeah it was.

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Speaker 3: Terrible are you kidding? Me she's the villain the entire.

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Movie and at the very end she's, like, NO i

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just wanted you guys to.

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Speaker 1: Win, yeah it's, ridiculous it, is and you, know we're

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looking at it from the way that we've seen the.

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Movie BUT i think probably what happened is once they

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had those test audiences, go, hey we didn't like her

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as a secret good. Guy we like her as the,

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villain and we want to keep her as a. VILLAIN

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i think at that point they went back and shot

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00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:11,079
all of those scenes where she's where she's watching from

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up in the stands and griping and cheering at their

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losing and that kind of.

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Speaker 3: Thing, yep when she they had to reshoot the scene

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where she's, LIKE i hate that effing song for. Me before,

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this but she was In secret Of My. Success she's

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the one she's always trying to Seduce MICHAEL. J fox

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in that.

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Speaker 1: Movie was that the Ant?

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Speaker 3: Yeah And, Beery oh my, GOSH.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize. That that's. Fantastic oh, MAN i Love

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secret Of My. SUCCESS i can't BELIEVE i didn't realize.

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That even still thinking about, It i'm, like that's the same. Lady,

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wow that's. Crazy it's the.

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Speaker 3: One Chasing brandley around the pool the whole. Time, yeah but,

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YEAH i love when the scene where they have a

734
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,000
little pin up of her in the locker room and

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00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,119
every time they win a, game they remove a piece

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of her. Clothing of. Course Former vegas. Showgirl, yeah of

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course you loved.

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Speaker 1: It it was the. Eighties were pre teenagers at that.

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Point keep on.

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Speaker 3: Winning, yeah all, right, guys that's gonna wrap it up

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for episode one Of Bullderm Versus Major. League, wait whoa,

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00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:12,679
whoa whoa.

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Speaker 1: Wa we didn't talk About. Susan she is on the

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list for. Today cross her.

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Speaker 3: Off then all, right thanks, guys we will see you next.

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Speaker 1: Week all music images and movie clips are used for

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the purposes of commentary and education in conjunction with The

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Fair Use agreement under THE us copyright.

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Speaker 2: Law