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<v Speaker 1>Jededie first forty one to four cast hot day today,

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<v Speaker 1>of course ninety three for the high heat index above

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred. Opportunity to some pop up afternoon storms. They

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<v Speaker 1>when the heat advisor is set to end. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go overnight low of seventy four, just a slight

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<v Speaker 1>chance of storms. Tomorrow's high in ninety two with some

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<v Speaker 1>very muggy though, seventy four for the low, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have ninety four on Friday again with isolated storms in

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<v Speaker 1>the afternoon a possibility. It's seventy seven degrees now. Time

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<v Speaker 1>for traffic from.

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<v Speaker 2>The U see tramphing center.

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<v Speaker 3>You see how to go find comprehensive care that's so

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<v Speaker 3>personal it makes your best tomorrow possible. That's boundless care

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<v Speaker 3>for vetter outcomes, expect more. Do you see how dot

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<v Speaker 3>com He spent two seventy five shut down at Hamilton Avenue,

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<v Speaker 3>near Winton. The weft lanes are blocked near the accident

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<v Speaker 3>seen on westbound two seventy five, northbound seventy five. There's

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<v Speaker 3>now an accident above Gabert that's banking trapping past the lateral.

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck King ram on fifty five krs, the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven thirty one, I think about KARSD talk station Happy Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>Don on any Americans for Prosperity returns and the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>in a state of Ohio release its budget proposals, So

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to dive on into that. Welcome back, Don.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always good having you on the show, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a pleasure to be with you. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's something you and the folks in Americans for

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<v Speaker 1>Prosperity were working on is lowering the state income tax.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess you got at least part of what

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for. Anybody making over twenty six fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>dollars will pay a flat two point seventy five percent,

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<v Speaker 1>which some are calling a discount for those making a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of money. People used to used to pay

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<v Speaker 1>I guess three and a half percent over one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars. They've eliminated that to go with the flat tax.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you're you're happy about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, getting Ohio to a flat tax is a

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<v Speaker 4>critical first step to getting Ohio to a zero percent

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<v Speaker 4>income tax, and that's been our long stated goal. Getting

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<v Speaker 4>to making this leap happen at this time in this

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<v Speaker 4>state budget is critical to that long term objective, and

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<v Speaker 4>so we're thrilled that in the conference committee reports, nothing's

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<v Speaker 4>grant nothing's taken for granted here, but the Conference Committee

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<v Speaker 4>of both the House and the Senate Finance Committee leadership

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<v Speaker 4>saul right to keep this in the final conference report

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<v Speaker 4>that they'll send to the floor of both chambers today

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<v Speaker 4>ultimately go to the governor.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is big for the state of.

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio well, and obviously makes this more competitive. Some states

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any income tax, and you know, you look

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<v Speaker 1>at I believe of what Texas, Florida, it's a huge

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<v Speaker 1>draw for businesses and others who are trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>away from heavy taxation. So I understand the point how

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<v Speaker 1>much money. I'm sure there are people who were objecting

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<v Speaker 1>to this discount, but moving from three point five percent

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred thousand do to two point seventy five percent,

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<v Speaker 1>how much money will the state not be taking and

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<v Speaker 1>what does that equal to in terms of millions or

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<v Speaker 1>billions of dollars? As the case may be in less

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<v Speaker 1>generated revenue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think what we've seen from the Legislative Service analysis

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<v Speaker 4>and what our Democrat progressive friends have been yelling out

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<v Speaker 4>is one point six billion dollars unless revenue at the

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<v Speaker 4>state will collect.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 4>We've gone over the last decade from nine tax brackets

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<v Speaker 4>with the top marginal rate of four point ninety nine

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<v Speaker 4>percent down to where we are currently today with two

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<v Speaker 4>brackets top rate of three point five percent. In that

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<v Speaker 4>same period of time, we've seen our revenues on both

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<v Speaker 4>income and sales tax increase to the tune of about

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<v Speaker 4>four or five billion dollars. This isn't surprising stuff, Brian, right.

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<v Speaker 4>We see this happen on a federal level when the

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<v Speaker 4>tax cuts were enacted twenty seventeen, When the Reagan tax

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<v Speaker 4>cuts were enacted in the eighties, people had more money.

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<v Speaker 4>They put that money into the economy. The government found

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<v Speaker 4>its way into our pockets one way or another. But

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<v Speaker 4>we do it not by having that money go to

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<v Speaker 4>Washington or Columbus and be redistributed by the bureaucrats. We

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<v Speaker 4>have that money invested into our communities, our states, our businesses,

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<v Speaker 4>our families, our homes, our properties. That then enables right

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<v Speaker 4>these low flat, broad based taxes to collect those revenues

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<v Speaker 4>and fund the essential services that we need. We're just

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<v Speaker 4>letting the people decide where they're going to spend their money,

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<v Speaker 4>not the bureaucrats.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's always a good thing from my perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>and one point six billion it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>As a sizable figure, particularly noting that the budget does

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<v Speaker 1>include one point seven billion in unclaimed funds to fund

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<v Speaker 1>a sports and cultural and various sports and cultural projects,

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<v Speaker 1>so they can throw that money out of the world

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<v Speaker 1>give six hundred million dollars to the Browns, which really

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<v Speaker 1>just frankly and directly pisses me off. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>one can complain about one point six billion dollars less

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<v Speaker 1>going into Columbus.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, and I think we're the complaints come from

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<v Speaker 4>a one point six billion is they want to find

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<v Speaker 4>new and expanded ways to spend money. Here's another thing

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<v Speaker 4>that's important what we're doing on this budget. And the

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<v Speaker 4>final numbers from the conference report aren't available yet, and

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<v Speaker 4>the appropriations we'll see those soon enough. But the Governor,

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<v Speaker 4>with the Senate and House ultimately did was trim back

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<v Speaker 4>the governor's spending proposals by about five five and a

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<v Speaker 4>half billion dollars. We're still growing the state government here

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<v Speaker 4>in Ohio by about I think seven or eight billion,

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<v Speaker 4>give or take, and we're doing that off of already

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<v Speaker 4>what I would say are inflated.

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<v Speaker 2>Numbers coming out of COVID.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, there were large cash infusions from the federal government

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<v Speaker 4>that caused our budget to balloon tens of billions of

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<v Speaker 4>dollars over the last couple of buyenniums, and we're not

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<v Speaker 4>raining some of that in So the key thing here

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<v Speaker 4>is we've expanded government over the last couple of buy

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<v Speaker 4>aenems due to these cash infusions from the federal government,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're continuing to budget in a way that grows

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<v Speaker 4>are spending.

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<v Speaker 2>Senate trimmed some.

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<v Speaker 4>Of that back, but we really need to be restrained

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<v Speaker 4>going forward in our growth in.

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<v Speaker 2>The way we spend money.

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<v Speaker 4>Ultimately, is going to take a governor who says I

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<v Speaker 4>want a flat budget or I'm going to really, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>take some heavy cuts to what the state government's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll get to that, you know, in the coming months.

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<v Speaker 2>In years, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna say we don't have one of those right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald the neil hold On will bring it back and

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<v Speaker 1>talking about some other elements involved in the state budget.

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<v Speaker 1>More with Americans for Prosperity Dona Anil after I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>affordable imaging services, speaking of money and ways to save

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<v Speaker 1>heap loads of money. Exercise your right to choose where

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<v Speaker 1>you get your medical care and don't go to the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital imaging department. Hospitals own your physicians practice. That's usually

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<v Speaker 1>the case these days. They want to keep the money

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<v Speaker 1>in house. They're instructed their doctors are instructed to refer

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<v Speaker 1>you to the hospital imaging department. We're an echo cardiogram,

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<v Speaker 1>probably sit around for three weeks to a month waiting

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<v Speaker 1>around to get the appointment. Thirty five hundred dollars or

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<v Speaker 1>more is what you're going to pay separate bill perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>for the board certified radio. I'll just report you need

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<v Speaker 1>one of those. Don't go there. Five hundred dollars without

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<v Speaker 1>an enhancement, eight hundred with an enhancement for an echo

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<v Speaker 1>cardiogram at affordable imaging services. I've got my MRI as

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<v Speaker 1>well as CT scans done at affordable imaging services. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>expect low overhead, but see the same equipment that the

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals are using, with professionals that have been doing this

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<v Speaker 1>with a board certified radiologist report in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>payment structure four ninety five with no enhancement for an

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<v Speaker 1>MRI instead of thirty five hundred bucks, talk about huge

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<v Speaker 1>savings five grand for a CT scan at the hospital. No.

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<v Speaker 1>Four point fifty with no contrast six hundred with the contrast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's always worked out great for me. Tell them, I said, hi,

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty five KRC.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we gore channelnine first one of other four k asks.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be a sunny day until it turns partly cloudy.

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<v Speaker 1>They see pop up afternoon storms more likely between one

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<v Speaker 1>advisory justifiable ninety three for the high with a heat

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<v Speaker 1>like today ninety two for the high with an overnight

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<v Speaker 1>seventy seven degrees. Now, let's see what Chuck's got on

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<v Speaker 1>traffic from the.

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<v Speaker 3>You see health. You find comprehensive care that's so personal

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<v Speaker 3>spend two seventy five blocked off at Hamilton Avenue due

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<v Speaker 3>to an early morning accident. The left lanes are blocked

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<v Speaker 3>Bramont fifty five KARCD talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven forty one Here fifty five KRCIT talk station Happy Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Anena Paula tann are coming up in eight thirty

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<v Speaker 1>and Brandon Nixon we Insidia. He is a Republican. He

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<v Speaker 1>also is running for since a city council. The meantime

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<v Speaker 1>from Americans for Prosperity Donald and Neil walking through some

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<v Speaker 1>of the items in the budget which the Senate released

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<v Speaker 1>here in the state of Ohio. Donovan, real quick, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to bounce off your head, just get your initial reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't need to talk about it at length, but

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<v Speaker 1>I had Greg Lasson for the Buck Institute talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the proposal to amend the constitution to eliminate the property

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<v Speaker 1>tax and the complication, the myriad complications that will arise

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<v Speaker 1>if that, in fact happens. Has Americans for Prosperity taken

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<v Speaker 1>a position on that particular initiative, just real quick.

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<v Speaker 4>We haven't taken an official position on it, but I

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<v Speaker 4>think what the folks who are advocating for that, I

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<v Speaker 4>think we were fellow travels with that right.

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<v Speaker 2>We are taxed enough already.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to do something about this, as Greg and

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<v Speaker 4>others will point out, and we sort of recognize as well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not as simple as just the limits and property taxes.

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<v Speaker 4>But what I think is important in that what that's

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<v Speaker 4>doing and the folks who have who're circling with petitions

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<v Speaker 4>and doing that work or doing is it's raising the

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<v Speaker 4>specter of this in Columbus. It is something that's talked

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<v Speaker 4>about in all corners of tap Square, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>folks want to see something happen here or else. I

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<v Speaker 1>on the ballot. So anyhow, I'm sure you and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>have further discussions about that, but I know funding was

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<v Speaker 4>School boards, the teachers unions in particular complaining about an

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<v Speaker 4>every by aneum. It's a you know, from both the

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<v Speaker 4>to go to education. We think parents, families should be

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<v Speaker 4>and get the best outcomes education. Seeing an increase in

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<v Speaker 4>this budget, that's a good thing. Some of the proposals

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<v Speaker 4>by the Senate to increase performance on that, I think

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<v Speaker 4>are what we really need. Right we hear folks like

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<v Speaker 4>who are saying that the world is crumbling and education

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<v Speaker 4>in funding in this budget, maybe just not as much

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is something else that Greg Lawston for the

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<v Speaker 1>Buck Institute brought up. You know, state dollars, like federal dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>come with strings attached. So if you're getting education dollars

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's right, Well, that's right. Well, and that's the other.

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<v Speaker 4>Part of it, right is you talk again, This all

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<v Speaker 4>plus political subdivisions that exist in the state, but specifically

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<v Speaker 4>on education. These folks want the money without the strength

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<v Speaker 4>right now. They want all the reward without any other

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<v Speaker 4>risk or the accountability that comes with it. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>a problem we've in. Any time lawmakers begin to kind

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<v Speaker 4>get slapped back down because every one of these school boards. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>six hundred school boards each with what five to seven members? Right,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a couple thousand lobbyists right there. Add in the

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<v Speaker 4>lobbyists descending on the state House. We need to push

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<v Speaker 4>back against these folks harder and harder if we're going

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly putting myself in a position of elected capacity, either

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<v Speaker 1>How come these people are in capable of just saying no,

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think we begin to I think what we're

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<v Speaker 4>seeing is a beginning, that beginning in that cultural shift.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>You have decades of folks just being told yes that

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's a shock, it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 4>Tectonic plate shift here, right, And I think what we're

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<v Speaker 4>beginning to see is that shift. What again, what I

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<v Speaker 4>these minor these these cultural shifts where the cruise ship

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<v Speaker 4>is turning, the big cruise ship is turning. We've got

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<v Speaker 4>the right folks in the legislature who are willing to

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<v Speaker 4>say those things, to make those to make those reforms,

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<v Speaker 4>introduce those reforms, talk about those reforms. I think in

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<v Speaker 4>an executive who's going to also drive that mandate.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, ramis Slammy Viva Ramaswami looking forward to the days

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<v Speaker 1>when we have him in office, when he'll embrace this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff all day long. Donovan, I'm going to hold you

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<v Speaker 1>learning a bit of a little bit about what's in

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<v Speaker 1>Moving over to regulatory form, Donovan, this appears like a

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, actually really excited to see this included in this

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<v Speaker 4>With the floor of the House and the Senate. We've

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<v Speaker 4>been talking about the Rains Act before. Yeah, they need

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<v Speaker 4>appears like many of the provisions of the Rains Act,

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in the proposed rule says that any any proposed rule,

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<v Speaker 1>these would be the regulations that come out from some unnamed,

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<v Speaker 1>So the General Assembly actually has to vote on something

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that's that's incredibly transformational that it is exact

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<v Speaker 4>But what we've asked for right and what the rains

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<v Speaker 2>Out there by requiring go.

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<v Speaker 4>To the full General Assembly. Now there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>different pathways there. We want to make sure that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that the rule can just go into place. But what

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<v Speaker 4>General asembly has to approve that rule. That'd be transformational

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<v Speaker 4>for the state of Ohio and really begin to stop

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<v Speaker 1>One might argue that's probably the most important provision in

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<v Speaker 4>And RAINS Act. There are these nasty little things that

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<v Speaker 4>But then what they do are these guidance documents, these

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<v Speaker 4>In this language here, they're going to actually begin to

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<v Speaker 4>agencies don't create these rules in other obtuse ways, like

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<v Speaker 4>through guidance documents. It's a powerful sort of tool to

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<v Speaker 1>The guidance document sounds like an advisory opinion kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Yeah, they talked about them. These these things

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<v Speaker 4>are just you know, they'll find any way, right, the

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<v Speaker 4>bureaucrats will find any way.

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<v Speaker 1>To do what they do best. That doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 1>it has any teeth. I mean, I'm going back to

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<v Speaker 1>my dad's comment about I got two words for it

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<v Speaker 1>ain't happy birthday. Someone can offer me a guidance opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can say, you know what, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>go a different direction than your guidance suggests I go.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what ramifications could possibly come about from that?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, so just to be clear, this is what the

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<v Speaker 4>bureaucrats are doing. They're doing to get that and what

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<v Speaker 4>the language is trying to do is kind of snuff

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<v Speaker 4>that out and say no, no, no. When you said

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<v Speaker 4>you got rid of the rule or the regulation, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't get to bring that rule or regulation back through

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<v Speaker 4>some other form or function. Well, and bully businesses in

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<v Speaker 4>the state of Ohio. You got rid of that rule.

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<v Speaker 4>That rule does not exist. You don't get to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't get a bully businesses anymore bureaucrats. If you

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<v Speaker 4>want to impose a new rule, you come to us

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<v Speaker 4>and say you want to do it in the legislature.

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<v Speaker 4>Prove or deny that.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just trying to understand how it practically works.

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<v Speaker 1>If the rule has been abolished, then you can offer

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<v Speaker 1>a guidance that goes by the way of the rule

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<v Speaker 1>that was abolished, and I can feel free to say,

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<v Speaker 1>go to hell, I'm not following it because it's no

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<v Speaker 1>longer a rule. But practically speaking, I guess you know

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<v Speaker 1>it goes on anyhow without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 4>And the problem, as you can imagine, right is it's

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<v Speaker 4>the business owner having to push back against you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the state EPE and the stated EPA's word, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>going to cost you time and money. Even if you're

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<v Speaker 4>a business who's in the right, that's time and money.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just knock that stuff out in the first Placemen

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand the practical area implications behind fighting this system.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just appreciative that at least some people are in

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<v Speaker 1>a position to fight the system. Donovan and Neil Americans

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<v Speaker 1>for prosperity. God bless you and the work that you

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<v Speaker 1>and the team do each and every day on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ohio taxpayer. I'll look forward to another conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with you and hopefully more good news like this regulatory

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<v Speaker 1>form going through seven fifty six fifty five cares of

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<v Speaker 1>the talk station. Brandon Nixon, a Republican, another one running

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<v Speaker 1>for since City Council, is going to be in studio

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<v Speaker 1>for the next segment, followed by Judge Anapolitano, who's defending

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<v Speaker 1>Massy and talking about the coming state Police.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll be a thirty stick around you will be called

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<v Speaker 2>the twelve Day War. I suppose that's what we were

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<v Speaker 2>nicknaming it already. Another update at the top of the hour,

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<v Speaker 2>the use of military force. Fifty five peers the talk

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<v Speaker 2>station
