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<v Speaker 1>Our homes. They're comfortable, relaxing, and safe. It's our place

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<v Speaker 1>where we can be ourselves and hide from the outside world.

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<v Speaker 1>Let our guard down today. Our story will start with

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<v Speaker 1>a loving family in their home and a wide open window,

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<v Speaker 1>which left fourteen year old Elizabeth Smart very vulnerable, and

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<v Speaker 1>soon her parents would find out that their child was

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<v Speaker 1>no longer in the protection of their home, but rather

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<v Speaker 1>in the unforgiving grasp of her kidnapper.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for

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<v Speaker 1>a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hello there, my name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast. Hello, Hello, welcome back to Wicked

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<v Speaker 1>and Grim. It has to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So we all just get to now be afraid of

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<v Speaker 2>never sleeping with our windows open.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentially that's how we roll.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye. Well, yeah, so we now like we we have

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<v Speaker 2>to lock our doors and now we can't leave our

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<v Speaker 2>windows open pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's exactly how it's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's anything you should learn from a true crime podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably that you should lock your doors.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if you live on a balcony exactly, even if

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<v Speaker 2>you live on a balcony, please.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've talked before some dudes scaling about a freaking

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<v Speaker 1>apartment building. Yeah, what was it like the fifth or

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<v Speaker 1>sixth floor?

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't I have seven or eight?

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<v Speaker 1>I think my multiple floors?

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<v Speaker 2>That is insane and terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>Into someone's place. So lock your shit, hid your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi'd your wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Just become a hermit? Eh?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>But something bad could still happen to you.

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<v Speaker 1>But being a hermit in the woods, Okay, how awesome

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<v Speaker 1>would that be? Especially this day and age with society?

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<v Speaker 1>How it is the basic recession that is apparently predicted

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<v Speaker 1>to come upon us because look at gas prices, everything

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<v Speaker 1>is skyrocketing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thess of living is insane right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Would eight and I don't care how big it is?

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<v Speaker 1>A twelve by twelve cabin, like, not even a bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>just a twelve by twelve cabin out in the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>You're isolated on your own little property. How incredible would

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<v Speaker 1>that be?

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<v Speaker 2>Ritten? Oh yeah, I dream of that shit often.

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<v Speaker 1>Please let's make it out and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Could still bring our WiFi with us. We could podcast, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so like we'd be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, we'd be like fucking handsome.

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<v Speaker 2>We would have to be I guess growing our own

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<v Speaker 2>food and stuff though, like next level. And then we'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to come into town every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe get a new animal, may have animals. Ben won't

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<v Speaker 2>let me get a new kitten.

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<v Speaker 1>We live in a tiny home and we have two

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<v Speaker 1>giant huskies and a Kiwi cat.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and I'm just I'm torturing myself. I literally

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<v Speaker 2>have gone and visited them twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I should clarify Kiwi cat. Kiwis the name of

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<v Speaker 1>our cat. So if you don't know a Kiwi cat,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just our cat.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what did you say? I didn't, I said a

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<v Speaker 2>Kiwi cat, a Kiwi cat. Yeah, two huskies and a

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<v Speaker 2>Kiwi Yeah. But yeah, and I just go and snuggle

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<v Speaker 2>the shit out of these kittens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and I look into their eyeballs and they want

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<v Speaker 2>to come home with me.

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<v Speaker 1>But can't be doing all that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know they'll go to good homes.

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<v Speaker 1>They will.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But moving on from cutesy little animals and living at

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<v Speaker 1>bitch cabins, I did want to talk about our cool

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<v Speaker 1>new design that we have for merch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exclusive merch, very exclusive, like about as exclusive as

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<v Speaker 1>So we have an account over on red Bubble where

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible amount of people have purchased our merch t shirts, stickers,

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<v Speaker 1>water bottles, blankets, even socks. Socks, yeah, lots of socks.

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<v Speaker 1>But we decided, you know what, We've done some giveaways

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<v Speaker 1>where we give away some of our merch, but what

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<v Speaker 1>if we create a cool design. And I think we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this in the last episode, what if we

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<v Speaker 1>create a cool design that is specifically only four giveaways.

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<v Speaker 1>So you did it. I did it. I did some

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<v Speaker 1>doodling on my digital art painting thing and came up

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<v Speaker 1>with a design.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's awesome. It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to see it, you can head

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<v Speaker 1>over and check us out on Instagram and Facebook. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon or patrons have already seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Patrons, Yeah, heads up on that.

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<v Speaker 2>People have said it's your favor their favorite design.

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<v Speaker 1>So far exactly, So I'm glad they like it. And

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<v Speaker 1>the only way you're going to ever be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get this design on any sort of merch is winning

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<v Speaker 1>a giveaway of sorts from us. So I feel like we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Gonna able to do some like a few giveaways now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. So I got to get this design out

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<v Speaker 2>there of a few.

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<v Speaker 1>Giveaways before we get to this case. One last thing

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<v Speaker 1>I want to drop. We were just talking about doing

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<v Speaker 1>a big old.

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<v Speaker 2>Giveaway, a massive giveaway, so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be really cool. There will be only

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<v Speaker 1>one winner for it. It will be some real cool

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<v Speaker 1>like epic package deal thing, so watch out for that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to be coming soon, you good bro.

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<v Speaker 2>A mosquito just landed on my mic. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>kill it, but I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty sure you went cross eyed steering.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I was like mosquitos are I said, did

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<v Speaker 2>I say that to you the other day? Basically? The

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<v Speaker 2>only animal'll ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Kill fair enough? I mean they're not really an animal

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<v Speaker 1>or an insect.

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<v Speaker 2>Class the only other living being there. You go, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, Okay, yeah, no, this giveaway is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be so cool. So I was very distracted by the mosquito.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to heads up on all these

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<v Speaker 1>sort of things, because we talk to our patrons about

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<v Speaker 1>all this sort of good stuff, you can head over

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<v Speaker 1>to Patreon sign up over there. And speaking of Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a patron who signed up this week, actually

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<v Speaker 1>signed they signed up just like an hour today prior

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<v Speaker 1>to recording.

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<v Speaker 2>So cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Matthew Rolu, I really hope I said your name right?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for signing up. You amazing, you wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Matthew exactly. So how do you

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<v Speaker 2>sell the last name? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I turned my phone off? Oh shoot, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was ro Ul Eau.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, right on, cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Last name it is? So without further ado, you ready

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<v Speaker 1>to get into this case?

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<v Speaker 2>I am yeah, now that you've really piqued her interest

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<v Speaker 2>there well.

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<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned in the intro of this whole story,

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<v Speaker 1>it revolves around a fourteen year old girl and that

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<v Speaker 1>girl's name is Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Smart, which is sad as hell.

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<v Speaker 1>So Elizabeth was born on November third, nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>in Salt Lake City, Utah. She was born into a

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<v Speaker 1>loving family that found a lot of pride in their

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<v Speaker 1>Mormon belief and Elizabeth was the second oldest child in

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<v Speaker 1>the family where she had four brothers and one sister. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>clearly that's a busy home with six children, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of children. But each of them were loved

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<v Speaker 1>and cared for by their parents, Ed and Lois Smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Each of them were loved and cared for just as

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<v Speaker 1>much as the next one beside them. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a very loving home, great place for kids to be good.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth was looking forward to her middle school, graduation from

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<v Speaker 1>Bryant Middle School and moving into East High School in

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<v Speaker 1>Salt Lake City. But soon young Elizabeth would be worrying

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<v Speaker 1>about much different things, things that would let's say, dwarf

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<v Speaker 1>the main thing on her mind would be turned to survival. Dundunay.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I was like, really wondering where you're with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like wondering if someone she was like chatting

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<v Speaker 2>with someone or something.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, what do you mean by chatting with someone?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. Sometimes kids get into things that

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<v Speaker 2>they're not sup sed to get, or talk to people

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<v Speaker 2>that they shouldn't be talking to, or hanging out with

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong crowd or something, and then their life takes

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<v Speaker 1>Not Elizabeth, Okay, No, she was not in any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of online chat rooms. There was no like a weird

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend or anything like that. She had her little group

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<v Speaker 1>of friends, and they were tight. They were good kids.

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<v Speaker 1>She was quite quiet and reserved. She was just all

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<v Speaker 1>around like a picture perfect, cute fourteen year old girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, doing what fourteen year old girls should

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<v Speaker 1>be doing, and being a good kid. Like you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>ask for a better daughter. Essentially as far as I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Find, Oh my gosh, my heart. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So with that being said, in the early morning hours

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<v Speaker 1>of June fifth in two thousand and two, Elizabeth's nine

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<v Speaker 1>year old sister, Mary Catherine, who shared her room with Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 1>would make her way into her parents' bedroom. She would

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<v Speaker 1>wake her up. And she looked at her mom and

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<v Speaker 1>she said, Mom, somebody has taken Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. Could you imagine that's one way to

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<v Speaker 2>be woken up?

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<v Speaker 1>That would be scary. Yeah, But now, not realizing the

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<v Speaker 1>severity of the situation, both parents got out of bed

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<v Speaker 1>and began searching the kid's room. I think more specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>the father went down began searching first, while the mom

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, you could honestly think, oh, maybe she's just

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in the house, right, Like, I don't exactly should

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<v Speaker 2>be taken.

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<v Speaker 1>They brushed it off at first, thinking that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this daughter had a bit of a nightmare and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize, you know, maybe Elizabeth was just out of bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Somewhere in the house, right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So the father began looking and searching, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>mother came down with Mary Catherine later a few moments later. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mary Catherine would speak up as she came down,

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<v Speaker 1>and she would tell her parents as they were searching

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<v Speaker 1>the house, you're not going to find her. A man

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they turned on the light in the kitchen

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when they saw that a kitchen window had

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<v Speaker 1>been opened and a screen was sliced large enough for

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<v Speaker 1>And in that moment they realized the severity.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where we start off with clos your

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like their window could technically have maybe even been closed.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was left open. Oh there's no I

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<v Speaker 1>Don't well, I dear remember in elementary school, I would

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, So they're going to maybe listen to

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe then, yeah, surprise, Mom and dad, it was me

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. On the things were your child, and

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<v Speaker 1>Back to Elizabeth though, back to the story. Immediately, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the Smart family phoned the police, and the police immediately

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<v Speaker 1>locked down the neighborhood and began in their search. They

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<v Speaker 1>of the outside of this window. They were sitting back

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<v Speaker 1>to back, which provided the intruder enough height to gain

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<v Speaker 1>access to the window to gain the entrance. Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>evidence such as fingerprints or DNA were unfortunately not found

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere on the scene, and searches using bloodhounds were used

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<v Speaker 1>and they were even unsuccessful.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Hey, so this person was probably wearing gloves.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming there was some statements about it being a

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<v Speaker 1>contaminated crime scene. I'm not too certain how that would

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<v Speaker 1>searched around before locking it down and understanding. I'm not certain,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could have been gloves, could have been the

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<v Speaker 1>contaminated crime scene, could have been a combination. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>only evidence they had to go on was that of

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<v Speaker 1>the witness, Mary Catherine, who shared the bedroom with Elizabeth. Is,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, what did she see? What does she know?

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<v Speaker 1>So the police talked to her and asked her her

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<v Speaker 1>recount of what had happened, and she told them very

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<v Speaker 1>consistently the same story, exactly what she had seen. She said,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, and as many kids would do, frightened

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<v Speaker 1>into this sort of catatonic state. Yeah, she pretended to

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<v Speaker 1>be asleep. Oh no, she watched the man approach Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 1>wake her up and threaten her with what she thought

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<v Speaker 1>was a gun, but later on we would discover was

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<v Speaker 1>a knife, and he would say that I will hurt you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't make a sound, just come with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy hack.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then he ushered her out of the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>and moments later that both of them were gone, leaving

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Catherine to wake up her parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that is the whole beginning of this story,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole debacle that we are about to unfold.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a lot like I can't even imagine this.

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<v Speaker 2>What would be going through this little nine year old

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<v Speaker 2>girl's brain too? Like should I do something like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, how can you do anything? You couldn't? She

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<v Speaker 2>did the right thing, probably right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if she said anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Or someone could have gotten really hurt exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been her, could have been Elizabeth, You don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the guy could have killed the whole family exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Really, yeah, so the police actually they did ask Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 3>if she knew the man though, and more specifically, since

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<v Speaker 3>it was dark and she couldn't see, they did ask

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<v Speaker 3>if she recognized the voice as the man spoke to Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, they asked Mary Catherine.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say that, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So they asked Mary Catherine if she recognized the voice,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said she wasn't able to identify the man visually,

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<v Speaker 1>but she did recognize the voice, though she wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 1>from where.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so familiar voice, huh. Now. The following day, reward

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<v Speaker 1>for her rescue was publicly set at or two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand dollars, and the police were on lookout

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<v Speaker 1>for the perpetrator.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>And they knew it wasn't a random attack, or they

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much guaranteed knew it wasn't a random attack.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it definitely already sounds very much like it

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<v Speaker 2>was planned.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds very targeted. Yeah, cutting off the screen to

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<v Speaker 1>a kitchen window and making their way into the specific

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<v Speaker 1>girl's bedroom, which one yeah, selecting Elizabeth seemed very targeted

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<v Speaker 1>all around you know, going in specifically to this fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old room, not stealing anything, taking the girl and

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<v Speaker 1>leaving like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it sounds very thought through and it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>crime riddeness they knew what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a very well established neighborhood, no low crime rate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just very very very fishy all around. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the first seventy two hours are the most crucial, according

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<v Speaker 1>to anyone, but mostly investigators. Each hour that goes by

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<v Speaker 1>with a missing person in them not being found increases

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<v Speaker 1>the chance of harm to the victim and also increases

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<v Speaker 1>the chance of the perpetrator getting farther and farther away,

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<v Speaker 1>making them harder and harder to locate. So investigators were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to move as quick as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's seventy two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, the first seventy two hours are the most crucial.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, so like three days basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. The response in the community to Elizabeth missing was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely out of this world. Almost eighteen hundred people turned

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<v Speaker 1>up to volunteer to look for her, and her case

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<v Speaker 1>began to be followed worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>Right on. That is so good though, Yeah, people stepping

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<v Speaker 2>up like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that and it could very well be that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people were able to relate to this

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<v Speaker 1>because Elizabeth was just this picture perfect little girl who

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<v Speaker 1>was just stolen from her bedroom while family's just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep. So this could have quite literally.

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<v Speaker 2>Have been any anyone's kid, super relatable. Really, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and that very well could be why this was

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<v Speaker 1>the case, because it's not like, oh, she was specifically

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<v Speaker 1>doing this or specifically talking to them. It was she

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<v Speaker 1>had no relation to anything, but yet she was still selected.

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<v Speaker 2>What if it happened to me, Well, then it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like the family too, is also pretty involved in that

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<v Speaker 2>community themselves and stuff, right they were, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So understandably, police began by eliminating, eliminating the first suspect

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<v Speaker 1>that is always underneath the microscope initially in any case, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the parents. The parents, Okay, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The family, Yeah, I got it right, ed smart being

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<v Speaker 1>the father was suspect number one, and his brothers were

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<v Speaker 1>also taken in by FBI for questioning, and they performed

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<v Speaker 1>a polygraph test. Now the test would actually come back inconclusive.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, because those tests I need to do more

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<v Speaker 2>research on them, but they just seem like a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, the smarts also argue the validity of the tests.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that these tests went on for hours on end.

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<v Speaker 1>They were stressed out of their minds from this whole case.

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<v Speaker 1>They're running on very little sleep over the last few days, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>And so they were just like these tests like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way, like, we did not do this, we have

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with it. This is basically bullshit. When

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<v Speaker 1>they called to these polygraph.

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<v Speaker 2>Tests, I'm very much so a person probably would be

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<v Speaker 2>innocent and take one of those tests and be shown

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<v Speaker 2>as skelty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it just it tests stress levels. Oh test

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<v Speaker 1>truth or lie.

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<v Speaker 2>And my stress is always like through the roof, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what, And in that s the situation, I would

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<v Speaker 2>be innocent and probably just be stressed, like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>did I actually do this?

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<v Speaker 1>Is your name Nicole? Yes, I think so. It looks

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<v Speaker 1>like she's lying, sir. But the inconclusive tests didn't stump

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<v Speaker 1>the authorities though it was obvious a family wasn't responsible,

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<v Speaker 1>They were merely going through procedures to rule them out

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<v Speaker 1>as suspects officially, which they did so the family wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>end up being the only suspects under the scrutiny of authorities.

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<v Speaker 1>Though a lead the authorities were able to follow were

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<v Speaker 1>that of a local milkman who reported seeing a suspicious

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<v Speaker 1>individual only a few blocks away from the Smart's family home.

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<v Speaker 1>That man identified as twenty six year old Brett Michael Edmunds.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the police were able to find him and question

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<v Speaker 1>him easily enough due to his criminal warrants for fraud

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<v Speaker 1>and assaulting a police officer the last month. Oh They

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<v Speaker 1>went on to question him and they were quickly able

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<v Speaker 1>to rule him out as a suspect as well, primarily

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<v Speaker 1>due to the description of the individual and the description

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<v Speaker 1>of this Brett Edmunds, because Brett was much taller, being

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<v Speaker 1>he's six foot two two hundred and thirty five pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>did not fit the description of the perpetrator, and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, but that was a prime one. Now

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<v Speaker 1>Special Agent Mick Fernerdi was an FBI's invested gator. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he happened to be the lead investigator on this case,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was able to drum up their next suspect.

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<v Speaker 1>The Smarts were having some renovations done on their home

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of the past few months, and on

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<v Speaker 1>the list of the contractors who had been working on

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<v Speaker 1>the place was a man by the name of Richard Reese,

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<v Speaker 1>a man who had a criminal history including attempted homicide

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<v Speaker 1>and burglary.

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<v Speaker 2>Duh, Okay, that's actually very good suspect material. Hey, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>would have known the house known the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and by the way, lois Smart. The mother also

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<v Speaker 1>brought forward that while he was working at the house,

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<v Speaker 1>she suspected he stole some jewelry oh outside the house,

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<v Speaker 1>though I couldn't find anything about the jewelry specifically. When

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<v Speaker 1>police went to actually arrest Richard, they found items in

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<v Speaker 1>his home that did in fact belong to the Smarts

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<v Speaker 1>previously that he had stolen o sh showing that he

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<v Speaker 1>was in there and did steal from them.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe they just let that go. Hey, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because they would kind of know who it was, you

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<v Speaker 2>would think, so you'm surprisingly insane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, this family seems like to picture perfect. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're just like, it's okay sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. We had people come in here and we

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<v Speaker 2>thought they like stole our baker's chocolate, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>like so confused.

432
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<v Speaker 1>Where did that go? Though I never found it.

433
00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I think we did end up finding it in the cupboard.

434
00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:25.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know had we found it.

435
00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:27.160
<v Speaker 2>It was like the weirdest thing because I also don't

436
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<v Speaker 2>think that would taste good to just like eat as

437
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<v Speaker 2>a chocolate.

438
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<v Speaker 1>No, but it just didn't make sense because chocolate just

439
00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:33.440
<v Speaker 1>goes missing. It was on or counter and then it

440
00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:35.200
<v Speaker 1>was gone. I don't think we found it.

441
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:39.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, it was just it's just yeah,

442
00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:42.799
<v Speaker 2>it costs like four dollars, like yeah, But I was

443
00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:45.319
<v Speaker 2>just like it was just so random and funny. They

444
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<v Speaker 2>must have been like really.

445
00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Hungry maybe I don't know, or they were really wanting

446
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<v Speaker 1>to do some baking when they got home. I guess,

447
00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:53.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. All the power to them regardless. So

448
00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the theory the police came up with regarding Richard REESI

449
00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:01.359
<v Speaker 1>was this now being a burglar that he is. He

450
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<v Speaker 1>knew the inside of the family home since he had

451
00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:08.400
<v Speaker 1>worked there previously. Yeah, he targeted them. He went there

452
00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and broke in to steal from them again. And when

453
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<v Speaker 1>he realized that Elizabeth had woken up and seen him,

454
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<v Speaker 1>he knew that he would be recognized by her as

455
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<v Speaker 1>he had been there previously. She knew who he was,

456
00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:25.839
<v Speaker 1>and he didn't want to get caught, so he took

457
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<v Speaker 1>the witness out of the equation.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like they're thinking he was in there to steal

459
00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:34.920
<v Speaker 2>that night and then didn't plan to take Elizabeth, but

460
00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:35.759
<v Speaker 2>then just took her.

461
00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:39.160
<v Speaker 1>They thought he went in to do some burglary stuff,

462
00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:43.680
<v Speaker 1>stealing things, but Elizabeth saw him come in, so he

463
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<v Speaker 1>left with Elizabeth thinking that she would turn him in.

464
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't know. I don't know if I really

465
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<v Speaker 2>that theory seems interesting to me.

466
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<v Speaker 1>So that's the police's current theory.

467
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<v Speaker 2>Because like, he wouldn't have been trying to steal shit

468
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<v Speaker 2>from the kids' rooms, don't. Like, I don't think that

469
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.119
<v Speaker 2>she would have saw him. That's just my opinion, but

470
00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:04.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

471
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't quite line up with Mary.

472
00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Catherine's exactly because they were both in bed sleeping, it

473
00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.440
<v Speaker 2>seemed like exactly, and the person breaking in woke her

474
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<v Speaker 2>up right yep, according to the little sister.

475
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:22.480
<v Speaker 1>According to the little girl, yes so. Richard, while he

476
00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.200
<v Speaker 1>in custody, endured tough questioning from the authorities, and he

477
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<v Speaker 1>would admit to previously stealing from the Smart Home while

478
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.880
<v Speaker 1>he was there, and he admitted to hearing about Elizabeth's

479
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:34.599
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping on the news, but he was adamant that he

480
00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:38.160
<v Speaker 1>had absolutely nothing to do with her disappearance. Now, I

481
00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:44.200
<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to find full video of his interrogation, but

482
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:46.359
<v Speaker 1>there are some clips and some documentaries that I watched,

483
00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and he's getting quite angry at the police, like why

484
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:50.640
<v Speaker 1>aren't you, like, why are you guys targeting me? Why

485
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.119
<v Speaker 1>aren't you looking at someone else? Like someone's out there

486
00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:54.440
<v Speaker 1>with her, Like what the fuck are you doing? Like

487
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.880
<v Speaker 1>he's very adamant he has nothing to do with it,

488
00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:02.480
<v Speaker 1>getting very upset. Now though he wasn't admitting anything to

489
00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:04.839
<v Speaker 1>the FBI and being very adamant that he didn't do it,

490
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:08.519
<v Speaker 1>authorities were certain that they did have their guy, and

491
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:10.839
<v Speaker 1>it was only a matter of time until they were

492
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.440
<v Speaker 1>able to prove it. At least that's what they thought. Meanwhile,

493
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.160
<v Speaker 1>his face was getting plastered all over the news, and

494
00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the Smart family knew that he was now suspect number one.

495
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.319
<v Speaker 1>And when I say Smart Family, I also mean Mary Catherine,

496
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 1>who was watching the news and saw his face on TV.

497
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:32.480
<v Speaker 1>And she was very confused when she saw his face

498
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.559
<v Speaker 1>on TV because she turned to her dad and said,

499
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:38.519
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't him. Why do they have him.

500
00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh geez, I just hate that because then it's like

501
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:47.799
<v Speaker 2>they almost lose their oomph to try to find someone

502
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:49.720
<v Speaker 2>because they think they have it, like in the bag,

503
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:51.079
<v Speaker 2>you know exactly.

504
00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:55.599
<v Speaker 1>I just hate that, And that's definitely what happens.

505
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, case great, So.

506
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 1>The investigation continued, and now, on July twenty fourth, something

507
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:06.960
<v Speaker 1>else happened that would put everyone on edge just a

508
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:11.079
<v Speaker 1>little bit more. Elizabeth's cousin heard a loud bang one

509
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.279
<v Speaker 1>night outside her bedroom window while she slept, and she

510
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:16.519
<v Speaker 1>woke up to a knife cutting through the screen in

511
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>her bedroom window. Now, of course, she screamed, called her

512
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:24.640
<v Speaker 1>parents and the individual whoever it was right away. The

513
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:28.559
<v Speaker 1>cops recalled, and thankfully everyone was fine. But outside her

514
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:32.759
<v Speaker 1>bedroom police found the cut screen and two chairs placed

515
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 1>back to back just like it had been outside Elizabeth's room.

516
00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:38.200
<v Speaker 2>And this is what is the guy? Who was the

517
00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:38.839
<v Speaker 2>other guy? Brent?

518
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Brent, No, that was the milkman identified that guy. That

519
00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:44.720
<v Speaker 1>guy's already who's.

520
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:45.039
<v Speaker 2>The other woman?

521
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Richard?

522
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Reci Okay, So, and this Richard guy's in jail right now,

523
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:49.839
<v Speaker 2>probably right when that happened.

524
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:54.000
<v Speaker 1>It all happened while Richard is still in custody. So

525
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.200
<v Speaker 1>who did this? Then now the cops said they don't

526
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>know who did it. It could have been just kids

527
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:04.599
<v Speaker 1>playing now copycat of some sort. No so, but there's

528
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.799
<v Speaker 1>definitely some turbulence around that. So time kept ticking and

529
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>the authorities kept trying to prove their theory that Richard

530
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>was one responsible and kept pressuring him to admit it,

531
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:19.079
<v Speaker 1>and time again he denied having anything to do with it.

532
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.839
<v Speaker 1>In fact, he denied it until the day he died.

533
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 1>On August thirtieth, two thousand and two, two months after

534
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth's disappearance. He died of a brain hemorrhage from an

535
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>aneurysm while still in police custody.

536
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

537
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, arguably from the stress that the police were putting

538
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.039
<v Speaker 1>him through. Yike.

539
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is just getting to be a next level. Yes,

540
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>and that's awful.

541
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.519
<v Speaker 1>Richard's case is that's a whole other case. There's a

542
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 1>legal thing all about that.

543
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.400
<v Speaker 2>But do we know we get to know if he dies,

544
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 2>if he did do it or not, Like I'm assuming

545
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 2>he didn't do it.

546
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, We get to know if he did it or not.

547
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, because in my head I'm thinking he didn't

548
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:05.440
<v Speaker 2>do it. So I'm very curious to know what the fuck.

549
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So that's your gut that Richard did not do it? Yes, correct, Okay,

550
00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 1>So what do you what's your running theory currently?

551
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Just that Richard didn't do it.

552
00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>That Richard didn't do it, Okay.

553
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:19.839
<v Speaker 2>I know I don't have well, because he also wasn't

554
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 2>known to the family.

555
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Correct Richard, Yes, he was, he was the contractor.

556
00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, right, Okay, I'm getting all these Oh no,

557
00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he did because I think that that

558
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.079
<v Speaker 2>little girl, like just being Mary, being so confused seeing

559
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:36.799
<v Speaker 2>him and stuff. I don't think he did it, Okay,

560
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 2>But I don't have any other theories of who did it.

561
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think it was That's fine. We've only

562
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.559
<v Speaker 1>introduced two suspects so far. The one suspect who the

563
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>police quickly ruled out that was identified by the milkman

564
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:48.599
<v Speaker 1>as being a suspicious individual.

565
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 2>In neighborhood, and then the parents doing it.

566
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:55.079
<v Speaker 1>And the parents himself, sorry, right, and Richard Reesi, who

567
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 1>has now passed away with his custody.

568
00:27:57.759 --> 00:27:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, if he didn't do it, that's so sad.

569
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Well. For many reasons, the passing of Richard would mean

570
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>that the story would end here with Richard's passing. How

571
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>would they find out what happened where Elizabeth was? How

572
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.519
<v Speaker 1>would they find out what he did? They wouldn't be

573
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>able to get a confession, you know, all those sort

574
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 1>of questions would now be unanswered for the family, though

575
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>they weren't convinced it was him, especially Mary Catherine. One

576
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 1>day in October, Mary Catherine approached her dad and she said, Dad,

577
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.759
<v Speaker 1>I know who it is. I know who took Elizabeth.

578
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, yeah, this is like and that's two months later, yeah, right, yeah, okay.

579
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>So she was reading a book when suddenly it came

580
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>flooding back to her, like the same way when you know,

581
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 1>like you're having a conversation with someone, you forget a

582
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>piece of information, you know, name of a TV show,

583
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>singer or something. Yeah, then like, I don't know, a

584
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.359
<v Speaker 1>little while later, a couple days later, you have that

585
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.440
<v Speaker 1>like Eureka moment where it just, for whatever reason, pops

586
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>into your mind. Same thing. She suddenly remembered the name.

587
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>She looked up her dad and she said, Emmanuel. Gosh,

588
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the man's name is Emmanuel. Now it took her dad

589
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:13.039
<v Speaker 1>a moment to really process this and think back to

590
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>who Emmanuel was. Yah, but months prior, Emmanuel was a

591
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 1>homeless religious or homeless sorry, homeless religious there we go,

592
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.359
<v Speaker 1>preacher man who had been to their house before Lois.

593
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Their mother had given some pocket money and invited him

594
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.559
<v Speaker 1>back to their place to do some renovation work, as

595
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.559
<v Speaker 1>he was a handyman pert time work. Yep, Okay, so

596
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Mary Catherine would have only met this man for a

597
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 1>couple minutes at most, and somehow she recalled voice.

598
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

599
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Investigators, though, were still pursuing the idea of Richard

600
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>holy shit, and they were trying to prove that he

601
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 1>was the one involved, and mostly brushed off the idea

602
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>of this little girl suddenly remembering some homeless man and

603
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>pulling the name out of thin air.

604
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is starting to make me a little angry,

605
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>but okay, rightfully, so well, yeah, and then I'm just

606
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:11.799
<v Speaker 2>so curious what this dad does, Like he's going to

607
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 2>take matters in his own hands here. I feel like

608
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I would be.

609
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Pretty much We're almost there, give me one sec but yeah.

610
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Instead of following the evidence, they were stuck on trying

611
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>to make this whole Richard Guifil and the family. However,

612
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>after months, months so this is now months later after

613
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>she identified this namest, so months of them not following

614
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>this lead, the family went to the new source on

615
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:42.039
<v Speaker 1>their own and released a sketch and a description of

616
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.799
<v Speaker 1>the individual, and they begged for the public's help and

617
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>said this immanual guy is who we're looking for.

618
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Then they did this on their own without the police.

619
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Correct However, the sketch wouldn't help. The man by the

620
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.079
<v Speaker 1>name of Manuel was no longer clean cut and shaven.

621
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 1>He was shaggy, longer hair and a beard, which we

622
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 1>would find out later. But luckily, the description of a preaching,

623
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 1>homeless wanderer who went by the name of Emmanuel and

624
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:14.839
<v Speaker 1>did handiwork on the side would catch the attention of

625
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>a very key individual, Emmanuel's sister. She identified Emmanuel as

626
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:26.519
<v Speaker 1>her brother and by it the name of David, Sorry, Brian,

627
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 1>David Mitchell.

628
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

629
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep, Now a bit on Brian. I'm not going to

630
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 1>talk about him a whole lot, But Brian was a

631
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>boy who grew up in a strict religious household and

632
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:40.759
<v Speaker 1>had some sexual perversions about him at a very young

633
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.799
<v Speaker 1>age and would be carried through to his adult years,

634
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>along with to varying degrees of substance abuse now in counseling.

635
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Later on in his life, Brian would meet and marry

636
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>a woman by the name of Wanda Berez. Together, the

637
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.799
<v Speaker 1>two of them were extremely religious, and Brian found, you know,

638
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the church's teachings weren't quite to his liking, so he

639
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 1>began perceiving himself as a savior and gave himself the

640
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.119
<v Speaker 1>title of like almost a deity, like he's kind of

641
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>like a Jesus sort of individual, and gave him the

642
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>right to take multiple wives. As such, him and his

643
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>wife would dress in a very cult like fashion, in

644
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>long white robes and Wanda wearing a Burca like veil

645
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:32.559
<v Speaker 1>over her face. The family and now authorities who are

646
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.359
<v Speaker 1>pretty much publicly forced to look after and investigate the

647
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>name of this Emmanuel individual.

648
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Good.

649
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And from here on out, for Emmanuel, I'm going

650
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 1>to actually refer to him as his real name, Brian,

651
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to dignify him with his chosen

652
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>deity name. That's fair, so Brian. Anyways, a man dressed

653
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>in white robes or some described dressed like Jesus is

654
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>a fairly hard to miss individual when they're walking aroudtown. Right.

655
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>So as everyone began to start the investigation, it was

656
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>pretty easy to find eyewitness reports on seeing this individual

657
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 1>and he and popping up all over the place. Here

658
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>we seen at cafes, at restaurants, walking down the streets,

659
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>showing up at random house parties, trying to preach to

660
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 1>the people there, all while being accompanied by two women

661
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 1>in white robes and veils.

662
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, no, I just had a terrible thought.

663
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>What's that?

664
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Did he literally take this little girl to be his wife? Like?

665
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 2>This is just disgusting. I don't know if I want

666
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>to listen anymore. This is so brutal.

667
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Hey spoiler alert, Yes.

668
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Shit, I'm sorry, but like, oh no, okay, ah, you're good. Yeah,

669
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>this is just exactly what I did not think was

670
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>happening or going to happen.

671
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.079
<v Speaker 1>It's exactly what is happening.

672
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Though, Okay. Like, honestly, if I could have thought of

673
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the most wildest theory in my fucking head, it would

674
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.319
<v Speaker 2>not have been this one. No, Like, I just don't

675
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.159
<v Speaker 2>think I would have thought that she'd be stolen to

676
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>become some weird person's wife.

677
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, in all honesty, any normal right person

678
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 1>in their right mind would not do that, so I

679
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 1>would not thought of someone doing that would be as

680
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>far fetched as you could think.

681
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Kay. And also another super side one, it's always like

682
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 2>wild to me to think when I, like a family member,

683
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 2>like a sibling or something, turns someone in. Hey, what

684
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.360
<v Speaker 2>do you mean, like the sister? Oh?

685
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh sorry, yeah, I was thinking Mary Catherine.

686
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, like the sister. You know, oh, this

687
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 2>could be my brother, Like yeah, I don't know. I

688
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.159
<v Speaker 2>feel like my sister would have to do some really

689
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.599
<v Speaker 2>crazy shit for me to end up turning her in.

690
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 2>You're welcome.

691
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean if your sibling kidnapped a teenage.

692
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Child to be their wife, Yeah, that would probably be something.

693
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, you break the fucking law to a severe

694
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 1>degree where it's going to hurt another individual. Yeah, you're

695
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna get snitched.

696
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>On just saying yeah, well, especially a child.

697
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I wouldn't turn nobody in. Snitches get stitches.

698
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 1>So fuck that, my lips are sealed. Loose slips sink ships.

699
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck that?

700
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Wow.

701
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, that little ranticide. As it turns out, though,

702
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>days after all this went public, you know, the name,

703
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the sketch everything, The San Diego Police department actually had

704
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Brian in custody for breaking into a church, and in

705
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:43.360
<v Speaker 1>three days he was in the system and he was

706
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>in court for breaking in and causing damage to the

707
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:50.519
<v Speaker 1>church window. He was charged with the damages and released

708
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.079
<v Speaker 1>as San Diego was not yet aware that he was

709
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 1>a wanted man in Salt Lake.

710
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:58.679
<v Speaker 2>Shit, of course just.

711
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Slipped through their fingers.

712
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

713
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Now, luckily, after the incident in San Diego, Brian thought

714
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.519
<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, an absolutely great idea to travel

715
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 1>back to Salt Lake City with his two though we

716
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>identified to have it written here unidentified wives. But once

717
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 1>they got off the bus back in Salt Lake, they

718
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.719
<v Speaker 1>were quickly recognized from all the publicity surrounding the case.

719
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>And they probably didn't know no. Brian didn't know no.

720
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>So the kid at the citizen who quickly recognized them,

721
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 1>called authorities and let them know exactly where they were. Yes,

722
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.800
<v Speaker 1>very soon cops arrived on the scene and approached the

723
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 1>three individuals, one of them, a veiled woman, was wearing

724
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 1>a very obvious disguise, a gray wig and sunglasses. Brian

725
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>presented false names for all three of them, but the

726
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>police knew right away it was a lie, and they

727
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 1>knew they had found Elizabeth, in fact, quite literally holding

728
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 1>up a picture beside her face saying, this is you.

729
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

730
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 1>Now, it wasn't a fantastical moment like you would think

731
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>where Elizabeth ran to the cops arms to safety. No

732
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>one was hurt, mind you, there wasn't a fight put

733
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>up or anything like that.

734
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 2>That's serious trauma.

735
00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:23.320
<v Speaker 1>She actually initially denied her identity, saying I know who

736
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>you think I am, and I'm not that girl.

737
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 2>Really, hey, really? And how long at this point had

738
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.079
<v Speaker 2>she been missing from her family?

739
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I believe nine months?

740
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is quite a long time.

741
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 1>However, once alone with police, she broke down and admitted

742
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.719
<v Speaker 1>who she was, and she was very concerned for her

743
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 1>captor's safety as well.

744
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:50.639
<v Speaker 2>Now, so this frigging nasty motherfucker has like just brainwashed

745
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 2>the shit out of her.

746
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 1>I feel like pretty much now Elizabeth is the only

747
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 1>one who can really attest to why she did this.

748
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.239
<v Speaker 1>But I do want to mention a certain condition that

749
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.159
<v Speaker 1>very well could be what is at play here. It's

750
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:08.760
<v Speaker 1>called Stockholm syndrome. This is a coping mechanism that captives

751
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.760
<v Speaker 1>or abuse victims eventually develop over time. They began to

752
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 1>establish positive feelings towards their captor or abuser, which could

753
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>very well be why Elizabeth was concerned for their well

754
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>being and acted this way.

755
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, and she's very young, she depended on this person

756
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:26.039
<v Speaker 2>for nine months, right.

757
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, so, regardless of regardless, sorry, Elizabeth was safe and

758
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 1>she was reunited with her family. She was home, happy

759
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>and began to share her story. What she told everyone

760
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 1>was this. She was held at knife point that night

761
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>by Brian. He took her up the mountain behind her

762
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>family's home, where they walked several miles and crested over

763
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 1>the peak and back down the other side. They came

764
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to a small grove of trees where Brian had been

765
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>living with his wife Wanda. They had cleared a small

766
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 1>spot and did some structure work with dirt and little logs,

767
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and there was a tent sitting there on that spot. There.

768
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Inside the tent, she was forced to remove her pajamas

769
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 1>and bathed with a sponge in a kind of cleansing

770
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:16.039
<v Speaker 1>ceremony type thing. Then she was forced to don the

771
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.800
<v Speaker 1>white robes. After that, she was then presented to Brian,

772
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>where he began to explain to her that they are

773
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.400
<v Speaker 1>now married and she is his wife. Oh no, and

774
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>it was time to consummate their marriage.

775
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it gets worse, It just keeps getting worse.

776
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:35.800
<v Speaker 1>So there that night, in that tent, she was sexually

777
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>assaulted by Brian.

778
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, that's freaking disgusting.

779
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And the whole time she was being threatened, and

780
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>she had gone to say that she had wished for

781
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>it to all to end. In that moment she had

782
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>sympathized with other victims who weren't suffering. She kind of

783
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>wished she wasn't suffering too, which is extremely sad to hear.

784
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>But after that moment, when she was having those thoughts,

785
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.440
<v Speaker 1>she made a decision. She kind of flipped. She said

786
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.519
<v Speaker 1>that she would do anything it took to stay alive,

787
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:14.159
<v Speaker 1>even if it meant doing what she was told and

788
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.599
<v Speaker 1>outliving her captors in the end.

789
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

790
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so she was prepared, looking very for she was

791
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:26.280
<v Speaker 1>prepared to be a long time huh.

792
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:30.440
<v Speaker 2>And to think though, this is all because her mom

793
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and like family were being super kind to someone exactly,

794
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>So this is sometimes why the world is full of assholes. Yeah,

795
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 2>because this makes me feel like I would never want

796
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:43.239
<v Speaker 2>to be bring someone into my house to help them.

797
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who can you trust? Right?

798
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

799
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:49.800
<v Speaker 1>It took several years for a court case to occur,

800
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.639
<v Speaker 1>as it was a debate over the competency of Brian

801
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:57.679
<v Speaker 1>and Wanda, whether it was an act of legitimate mental

802
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:02.039
<v Speaker 1>issues or they were being what's the best way to

803
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.639
<v Speaker 1>put this, they were keeping up an appearance in front

804
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of the judge, making themselves seem mentally ill. Is in question,

805
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 1>sorry Brian and Wanda. Yes, once they were in custody.

806
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>So it took several years before a court case it

807
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:19.400
<v Speaker 1>occurred because of their mental capacity or what could have been. So,

808
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 1>whether it was an act or legitimate now, eventually they

809
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>would find themselves in court regardless. It was in two

810
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, and in October of two thousand and nine,

811
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth would bravely take the stand against their captors.

812
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

813
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>The then twenty one year old Elizabeth would go on

814
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 1>to describe what she had happened to her, and she

815
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>would begin to describe Brian as quote smart, articulate, evil, wicked, manipulative, sneaky, slimy, selfish, greedy,

816
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:58.239
<v Speaker 1>not spiritual, not religious, and not close to God.

817
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.039
<v Speaker 2>So some powerful descriptions.

818
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this right here is where I want to go

819
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 1>on and name Elizabeth our badass of the day.

820
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, we haven't had one for a while, but

821
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:16.199
<v Speaker 2>she seems like, yes, really badass. Unbelievable.

822
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 1>So in the court, Wanda Burrez would eventually plead guilty

823
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to her role in kidnapping and was sentenced to fifteen

824
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.559
<v Speaker 1>years in prison, where she has now been since released.

825
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>So she's in on this. She was in on this.

826
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.639
<v Speaker 1>She was Brian's other wife. Yes, she took part in.

827
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>This, I mean, but did she willingly take part or

828
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 2>was she just following Brian's orders?

829
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's kind of up for debate too. I'm sure

830
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:51.280
<v Speaker 1>she had some part in it. She didn't turn anyone in,

831
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 1>she didn't say anything, she didn't fight like you know.

832
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>She could have potentially stopped it.

833
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes. So now, as for Brian, his defense in court

834
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.519
<v Speaker 1>acknowledged that he was indeed responsible for the crimes he

835
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:08.719
<v Speaker 1>was being accused of, but they argued he was legally

836
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 1>insane at the time of the crimes, and because of this,

837
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 1>they stated that he should therefore be found not guilty

838
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 1>by reason of insanity. The defense would reject this idea

839
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 1>on December eleventh, in twenty ten, when the jury found

840
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.719
<v Speaker 1>him guilty of kidnapping and transporting a minor across state

841
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 1>lines with intent to engage in sexual activity. Thank goodness,

842
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Brian David Mitchell was sentenced to life in prison without

843
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of parole, and he is currently serving a

844
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.800
<v Speaker 1>sentence at a high security federal prison in Indiana.

845
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.239
<v Speaker 2>Good good. I was so worry that something like that

846
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>was not going to end up happening.

847
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he is behind bars for life now that

848
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.119
<v Speaker 1>being said, Elizabeth's story isn't over. In fact, at the

849
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 1>age of third thirty four right now, I would say

850
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.760
<v Speaker 1>it's probably just begun. She's gone through to do some

851
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.719
<v Speaker 1>incredible things in her life already, including public speaking on

852
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.280
<v Speaker 1>many amazing platforms such as ted X.

853
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:13.199
<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think I can put it into any

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<v Speaker 1>better words than directly from the source, taken right from

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth's website, elizabethsmart dot com. I believe it is. Here

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<v Speaker 1>is what it has to say about Elizabeth. Through this

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<v Speaker 1>traumatic experience, Elizabeth has become an advocate for change related

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<v Speaker 1>to child abduction, recovery programs and national legislation. Elizabeths triumphantly

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<v Speaker 1>testified before her captors and the world about the very

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<v Speaker 1>private nightmare she suffered during her abduction, which led to conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>The founder of Elizabeth's Smart Foundation, Elizabeth has also helped

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<v Speaker 1>promote the National Amber Alert, the Adam Walsh Child Protection

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<v Speaker 1>and Safety Act, and other legislation to help prevent abductions.

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth attended Brigham Young University studying music as a harp

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<v Speaker 1>performance major. She married her husband, Matthew, in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>and they now have two beautiful children. Elizabeth's example is

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<v Speaker 1>a daily demonstration that there really is life after tragedy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's awesome, that is wow credible, And I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the horrors as she went through that night and the

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<v Speaker 1>following nine months.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a very long time. But it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all these survive okays, It's like they make a choice,

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<v Speaker 2>right they do.

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<v Speaker 1>You're very much so, right. Yeah, there's usually a moment

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<v Speaker 1>when they when they're talking about it, they say they're

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<v Speaker 1>not giving up. They can remember that distinct moment where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's not ending here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fight or flight, I know. And like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like anyone can be making a choice like that every day,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just that's just powerful. That just makes you

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<v Speaker 2>just rethink things so many things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like you say every day, it could be something

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<v Speaker 1>as simple as maybe weight loss. Maybe you're struggling and

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<v Speaker 1>you should put down that bag of chips. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>heaven forbid, I should be doing that the Tim Tams.

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<v Speaker 1>I just ate a bunch of Tim Tam cookies before this.

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<v Speaker 1>Or it could be quitting smoking, or it could be

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<v Speaker 1>heaven forbid, you're in a situation where you need to

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<v Speaker 1>leave an abusive relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, addiction of sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's not always that easy, it's not understan. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is that moment where you have to decide

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to fight for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, it's always there's always this this definitive

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<v Speaker 2>moment and it's just like that is just so powerful

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<v Speaker 2>that they step back and we're just like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to live kind of thing. And she did, which is amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>amazing person.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a multitude of documentaries, movies, and books all

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<v Speaker 1>written about Elizabeth's story. And there is one little tiny

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<v Speaker 1>detail I want to add to this. I wasn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>sure where to put it in, but there was a

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<v Speaker 1>situation before Brian was actually identified as an individual in question,

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<v Speaker 1>as a suspect where a police officer had actually approached

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<v Speaker 1>them for aggressive panhandling. I believe it was, and Brian

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<v Speaker 1>again produced false names for all three of them. Wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a veil. The officer wasn't able to really identify them.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have IDs on them, especially considering, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the panhandling individuals inside of the street. But he said

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<v Speaker 1>there was some small suspicion that, you know, this could

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<v Speaker 1>have been someone that we're looking for. But they have

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<v Speaker 1>no right to remove a veil or any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>questioning like that. They had, no, no, nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>They were in a that's a very tough position be in.

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<v Speaker 1>And Elizabeth actually recounts that incident. She said, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like her hope was walking away when the police

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<v Speaker 1>officer left.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, that makes my eyes well, holy heck, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>So Thankfully it came back around and she was found,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was found relatively unharmed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, it's honestly like her family didn't give up,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also incredible. Yeah, so I've heard her name,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have not heard the story.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, now you have. It's a powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>Story, very much so.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Elizabeth. I don't know if you can listen to

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast. But if you ever do, just know you're

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute badass.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable. Yeah, well done, like amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheers, cheers for a badass of the day, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course makes you checks out. On all our platforms Instagram, Facebook, Patreon,

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<v Speaker 1>you can sign up for some exclusive content. We have Twitter,

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<v Speaker 1>we have read it, we have our website. We got lots,

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<v Speaker 1>we got it all. We appreciate your support one way

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. We appreciate you being here and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as always, make sure well done, make sure ye stay wicked.

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<v Speaker 2>I threw it back to you.

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<v Speaker 1>That was that was different.

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<v Speaker 2>H