Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. I'm always fascinated with
Speaker 2: definition tools. We've had people on talking about the ruins
Speaker 2: and various codexes and astrology and channeled information, all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff sacred knowledge. Today we're going to be
Speaker 2: presenting a look at Vedic or Hindu astrology, a topic
Speaker 2: I've been fascinated in for years. I actually had a
Speaker 2: very detailed Vedic astrology chart done about twenty five years ago,
Speaker 2: and I'm kind of surprised that i haven't been back since.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that the Vedic astrology covers
Speaker 2: is much more detailed on personal gold progressions and how
Speaker 2: the stars are influencing you, and also, which isn't really
Speaker 2: done in the Western astrology, how to deflect bad energy.
Speaker 2: And with the Hindus, the Vedic astrology, you can wear
Speaker 2: certain Ryan stones and sacred semi precious stones to deflect
Speaker 2: what they call rahu or not necessarily good periods in
Speaker 2: your yearly chart. And I appreciated it. I was so
Speaker 2: much into it that I wore a gold ring with
Speaker 2: I think it was a ruby that would deflect rahu
Speaker 2: or these low points in my year. I can't tell
Speaker 2: you right now that it was effective or not, because
Speaker 2: I wasn't as conscious of energy then I was then
Speaker 2: I become. But I do know that it was a
Speaker 2: valuable tool to have that chart with me. And I
Speaker 2: think it was good for a ten year period. I
Speaker 2: want to say I had it when I was in
Speaker 2: my late twenties, no, may excuse me, late thirties, And
Speaker 2: so it was good for a period of time. And
Speaker 2: would I would review it and I would call this
Speaker 2: astrologer and get updates, you know, send her some money
Speaker 2: and she would give me updates. So but what I
Speaker 2: really like about our program today is that my guest
Speaker 2: is going to talk about the influence, the energetic influence
Speaker 2: of planets. And we don't talk enough about this in
Speaker 2: general terms when we speak of astrology, because people think, okay,
Speaker 2: well I'm a virgo, I'm a sagittarius, I'm a cancer,
Speaker 2: I'm whatever. But that's about as far as they go.
Speaker 2: And they'll go look up what their daily, weekly, monthly
Speaker 2: forecast is for their sign, and that's a very very
Speaker 2: vague way of getting solid data on just what trends
Speaker 2: are coming up for you, more importantly, how to work
Speaker 2: with those trends if they're not good. If you have
Speaker 2: mercury rising or mercury's in retrograde in your sign For
Speaker 2: a lot of people, most notably me, and I'm a Virgo,
Speaker 2: that means that things are sluggish. You shouldn't be signing
Speaker 2: any legal documents, you shouldn't be trying to interview for
Speaker 2: a new job. It's just heavy, heavy, more negative, less
Speaker 2: positive energy. And so during the retrograde of mercury, I
Speaker 2: kind of lay low and not try not to do
Speaker 2: any kind of new work or initiate begin any new
Speaker 2: projects because it tends to fall into problematic areas. One
Speaker 2: of the other areas. One of the other portions that
Speaker 2: I like about Vedic astrology, which isn't included in western astrology,
Speaker 2: is working with your karma. And this is something that
Speaker 2: you'll hear about today when we incarnate, and you've heard
Speaker 2: about this a lot because we talk about the Akashik records,
Speaker 2: we talk about people who have passed over. And when
Speaker 2: you incarnate, you are given a script as to what
Speaker 2: karma you're trying to burn off through what patterns, through
Speaker 2: what jobs, through what interactions. And what that basically means
Speaker 2: is that in a previous life. Maybe you were rude
Speaker 2: to somebody, you hurt somebody emotionally or physically. God forbid,
Speaker 2: you killed somebody, and it's payback time. When you incarnate
Speaker 2: in the next life, you have to deal with that karma.
Speaker 2: And if you don't burn it and clear it, it
Speaker 2: can weighth you down. And it goes from everything from
Speaker 2: getting a good job to having financial resources. I've always
Speaker 2: thought in my case, I've had not I have not
Speaker 2: had good luck with my relationships the women I've been with.
Speaker 2: I was married very young that lasted seven years. Then
Speaker 2: I was in another relationship which produced a child that
Speaker 2: was good for I think seven or eight years. And
Speaker 2: then I've had sporadic relationships and so I and you know,
Speaker 2: and I've done everything I can to clear the the
Speaker 2: the slate of karma. I've done all kinds of different processes.
Speaker 2: I've programmed, intuited. I just I've done or had intuition.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, I've intended intended for relationships. So it's like
Speaker 2: somewhere along the line, I think, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: find out more about this because I'm going to have
Speaker 2: another reading done of ATA Greeting. Then soon I think
Speaker 2: there's some problems there I need to clear out. I
Speaker 2: am in a hopeful new relationship, so perhaps that is
Speaker 2: the one. But you know, here I am this spiritual guy,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm not doing great with my personal relationships,
Speaker 2: and I don't like it. I really don't like it.
Speaker 2: So these are things that you can work on in
Speaker 2: the Vedic traditions. Now that doesn't mean you can't work
Speaker 2: on them in the Western tradition, but it's not as accurate.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I was fascinated to learn
Speaker 2: today is that Vedic astrology is much more specific in
Speaker 2: the calculations. There's more to calculate, you know, and years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, the thing is, it's more a Vedic
Speaker 2: astrology has more accurate calculations. And one of the things
Speaker 2: that I didn't realize now is that most of these
Speaker 2: charts for people, after you give them the date you
Speaker 2: were born, the time you were born, the location you
Speaker 2: were born. Is the fact that they're all done with
Speaker 2: very powerful software applications. So you punch in those key
Speaker 2: items and you get back a general card. Now you
Speaker 2: get back a general reading or a chart of a person.
Speaker 2: Now that's the basics. It takes a real talented astrologer
Speaker 2: not only to interpret those things, but say, if you
Speaker 2: see a illness coming up, or you see a problem
Speaker 2: in your job, or you see financial problems, a really
Speaker 2: good astrologer will say, Okay, you need to clear this,
Speaker 2: you need to work with this, you need to do this, this,
Speaker 2: and this to mitigate or reduce the impact of this
Speaker 2: low point in your life. That is really critical data.
Speaker 2: And I don't think you get the same with the
Speaker 2: Western astrology. They can give you trends to follow and
Speaker 2: things like that, but in my experience, the Vedic the
Speaker 2: Hindu astrology reading is much more impactful. And if you
Speaker 2: can wear certain jewels, if you can wear or do
Speaker 2: certain rituals or prepared through meditation or other programs that
Speaker 2: clear these problem areas, then it smooths it out. Then
Speaker 2: it's not so impactful. Then you're writing a wave of
Speaker 2: high and low. So today's program is Astrology Decoded, and
Speaker 2: my guest is Vish Chatterjee. I have a great fascination
Speaker 2: for astrology, and I always speak of the Vedic traditions
Speaker 2: of astrology. Those of us in the United States follow
Speaker 2: Western traditions Western astrology, and although it has some benefits
Speaker 2: it's not as accurate, it is not as powerful as
Speaker 2: the Vedic tradition on so many different levels. And I
Speaker 2: have to mention that I had a Vedic astrological chart
Speaker 2: reading probably twenty five almost thirty years ago, and it
Speaker 2: was so profound. You'll hear terms like rahu and things
Speaker 2: like that. I actually went out and bought the rings
Speaker 2: to balance and move on the energies and things like that.
Speaker 2: So I am a very serious a believer and profess it.
Speaker 2: And of course it's ancient. We don't know how ancient
Speaker 2: it is, but it is very old. My guest today
Speaker 2: has written a new book called Astrology Decoded, the Secret
Speaker 2: Science of India's Stages, and his name is Vish Chatterjee.
Speaker 2: He is coming to us from California, and the reason
Speaker 2: we're having him on the program is not only to
Speaker 2: give us the details of Vedic astrology, but he's going
Speaker 2: to give us a hint as to what's going on
Speaker 2: with our planet, with the United States. And of course
Speaker 2: can't help but ask him what's going on with the presidency.
Speaker 2: So Fish, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on
Speaker 2: the program.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Cliff, thank you for having me. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to be on the show, and I look forward to
Speaker 1: our conversation, especially since you have such a deep connection
Speaker 1: to Indian tradition yourself. This is really exciting, all right.
Speaker 2: I got to ask the most basic question. You're in
Speaker 2: the corporate world, NBA Master of Business Administration, what's the
Speaker 2: shift into metic astrology and that whole ancient tradition.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like many good Indian families, you're told, you know,
Speaker 1: you can either be a doctor, an engineer, or a lawyer.
Speaker 1: So I picked an engineer. I went to mechanical engineering school,
Speaker 1: got my engineering degree, and I was an engine engineer.
Speaker 1: So I worked in My first job in the corporate
Speaker 1: world was actually engineering engines for a company called Raush.
Speaker 1: We did like high horsepower engines for Ford. And then
Speaker 1: I went to business school. I wanted to get into
Speaker 1: management ranks, got my MBA, went into management and as
Speaker 1: you know, any of your listeners know, when once you
Speaker 1: get into management, all of a sudden you have to
Speaker 1: get you have to develop the soft skills, right, It's
Speaker 1: not just about the hard skills. You have to learn
Speaker 1: to deal with people, persuading people, negotiating, conflict resolution, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And so I guess I opened
Speaker 1: up a little bit of this you know, humanistic side
Speaker 1: of leadership for me as an executive. And I got
Speaker 1: a job at Daimler Chrysler when it was back when
Speaker 1: it was owned by Mercedes, and they would send us
Speaker 1: to Europe every quarter for these like really intense executive
Speaker 1: training sessions that would last a week, you know, rent
Speaker 1: out places in the middle of the black forest in Germany.
Speaker 1: We drive all these great Mercedes cars through these winding
Speaker 1: roads and then going to executive training. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: learned a lot about you know, it's the people at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, when you run a corporation,
Speaker 1: when you run an organization, it's about the people and
Speaker 1: how do you leverage performance out of people? And so
Speaker 1: I went through this, you know, great trajectory in the
Speaker 1: executive world. I ended up jumping out of automotive into tech.
Speaker 1: I ran, I started divisions at technology companies and ran
Speaker 1: large businesses along the way, and again it always came
Speaker 1: down to this balance between the data and the hard
Speaker 1: science and the people and how to get you know,
Speaker 1: motivate people to work. And finally I decided to do
Speaker 1: a startup. So I had a really good exit out
Speaker 1: of a company that I worked for in the tech industry,
Speaker 1: cashed out my shares and ran a startup. And as
Speaker 1: I was building the startup, our investors came to us
Speaker 1: and said, you know, Vish, you have a really difficult CEO.
Speaker 1: We aren't really getting along with him, and he's not
Speaker 1: very coachable. And I thought, what does coachability have to
Speaker 1: do with running a business? Yeah, it's smart, he's developed
Speaker 1: his brains, buying the technology, we got this great you
Speaker 1: know product going, we're starting to get early revenue. What
Speaker 1: does coachability have to do with it? But the investors
Speaker 1: just won't have it with him. So I had to
Speaker 1: go through this like miserable process of literally divorcing my
Speaker 1: close friend and co founder, you know literally you know,
Speaker 1: on paper with with you know, stripping of his board
Speaker 1: seat and taking his shares away, restructured the company and thought, wow,
Speaker 1: this is this is miserable, Like this is what I
Speaker 1: have to do in order to run a startup, go
Speaker 1: through all these hoops, and that coachability question kept coming
Speaker 1: up in my mind, and you know, need to say,
Speaker 1: the startup eventually went through its pains as every startup
Speaker 1: goes through, and I had people reaching out to me saying, hey, Vish,
Speaker 1: I just got this promotion to VP of product at
Speaker 1: this tech company and I know you've seen and done
Speaker 1: a lot in the corporate world. Would you consider coaching me?
Speaker 1: And I thought, hm, coaching, I don't really know what
Speaker 1: that is, but I'm an entrepreneur, so I will say yes,
Speaker 1: and I will charge you for it, and let's see
Speaker 1: what happened. So I took on my first coaching client,
Speaker 1: charged some ridiculous feet per hour, and then it went
Speaker 1: really well for them, and they introduced me to other people,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I had this coaching practice
Speaker 1: that was kind of growing and quite successful, even though
Speaker 1: I didn't know what coaching was. And meanwhile this startup
Speaker 1: that was just misery. So I finally decided to exit
Speaker 1: out of the startup world and build my coaching practice.
Speaker 1: And that was about eight years ago.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And as I was coaching, I thought, I need to
Speaker 1: get some coaching training. I don't really know what coaching is.
Speaker 1: So I went to UC Berkeley's Executive Coaching Institute and
Speaker 1: I did their intensive executive coach training and along the
Speaker 1: way they really asked me, like, what is different about
Speaker 1: Like what makes you a coach, and I realized a
Speaker 1: couple of things. In my twenty year career in the
Speaker 1: corporate world, I always had a morning yoga and meditation
Speaker 1: practice that was without fail I'll get up in the morning,
Speaker 1: I do my yoga, I do my meditation as a
Speaker 1: stress relieving, balancing tool, and then I'd go into the
Speaker 1: corporate world and go go forth and conquer. And I
Speaker 1: realized that there's a whole philosophy system behind yoga that
Speaker 1: was matching up with everything I'd studied in executive development
Speaker 1: and all that training in Germany, all that executive grooming.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, it really lines up
Speaker 1: with this original system of human development, which is the
Speaker 1: yoga system. So leadership development has this parallel with human
Speaker 1: and spiritual development. So I saw that this sort of
Speaker 1: East meets West idea in my coaching, that could I
Speaker 1: be the person that brings the ancient Indian tradition of
Speaker 1: my ancestors into leadership sphere. And that's sort of when
Speaker 1: I finished from the Berkeley program, That's what I put
Speaker 1: myself out there as I positioned as an Eastmeath West coach,
Speaker 1: and then my coaching practice started really taking off because
Speaker 1: it turned out that a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: executive world were really struggling with lots of things and
Speaker 1: finding solace in the spiritual tradition. So along that way
Speaker 1: I discovered, you know, as you go deeper into yoga,
Speaker 1: you start to discover all these sister sciences, and one
Speaker 1: of them was Areveda. Have you you've come across Aerveda?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually was taking Deepak Chopra's aervedic products for
Speaker 2: a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So Areveda was something very new to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't quite understand. And I learned that Ayerveda was
Speaker 1: a mind body medicine system that understands your unique mind
Speaker 1: body constitution and then prescribes a lifestyle regimen for you
Speaker 1: to have good health. And it was used it's used
Speaker 1: for disease healing. But I found it as the as
Speaker 1: an interesting angle. A personality test for an executive. So
Speaker 1: you know, in the executive world, we're always doing personality
Speaker 1: tests or disprofiles, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, all of that.
Speaker 1: You know, Mbti Myers Briggs, they keep on throwing tests.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I think, ir Veda
Speaker 1: is a pretty cool personality test because I can tell
Speaker 1: if you're a vata pit that ar kaffa, which is
Speaker 1: an airy, fiery or earthy. And I could give my
Speaker 1: clients this questionnaire, and as you fill out the questionnaire,
Speaker 1: I can figure out you're kind of a fiery person,
Speaker 1: you're kind of an airy person, you're kind of an
Speaker 1: earthy person. And then based on I give you a
Speaker 1: diet and lifestyle and schedule for the day to be
Speaker 1: a better leader. But Cliff, my clients were cheating on
Speaker 1: the quiz. So, as you know, in the corporate world,
Speaker 1: if you're a Type A personality, you're a reward right.
Speaker 1: If you're Type A, you're go getter, you usually get promoted.
Speaker 1: So even if you're not a Type A by nature,
Speaker 1: you sort of self select that way. You see yourself
Speaker 1: that way. And so when I would give quizzes to
Speaker 1: my executive clients, they kept coming back as as fiery because.
Speaker 2: They were too embarrassed to consider the other different person
Speaker 2: body types.
Speaker 1: It's almost like you self select psychologically.
Speaker 2: Oh you want to be So they were being honest,
Speaker 2: they were being more philosophical. I am this type of person.
Speaker 2: I'm this type of person.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like a I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was a conscious or unconscious bias. It just seemed like
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to be a certain archetype. And you know,
Speaker 1: because my question I had a lot of psychological type
Speaker 1: of questions. And so then I was seeing that, you
Speaker 1: know what, what I'm seeing in front of me is
Speaker 1: not lining up with what they're putting on the questionnaire.
Speaker 1: It's just not matching. And so something's broken. This quiz
Speaker 1: is not working, This questionnaire is not working. And so
Speaker 1: I went to my aveding teacher, a guy named doctor
Speaker 1: Suhas who was the chief medical officer of the Child
Speaker 1: Percenter at the time, very close to Deepak Chopra, and
Speaker 1: I said, Suhas G, I keep giving my clients this
Speaker 1: questionnaire and they're all cheating, they're all showing up Pitta.
Speaker 1: But I know that's not the case. He said, Oh, Vish,
Speaker 1: just look at their astrology birth chart and you'll get
Speaker 1: the right answer. And I thought, you know, I'm trained
Speaker 1: as an engineer. Yeah, and you know I'm already stretching
Speaker 1: with aw your veta mind body constitutions, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: astrology birth chart. That sounds like whacko hocus pocus stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't believe in astrology. I think that's
Speaker 1: stuff for like pop culture, Cosmo magazine kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, No, there's an Indian system of astrology.
Speaker 1: It maps to yoga and a your veda and if
Speaker 1: you if you use it, it uses correct math to
Speaker 1: the sky. Just try it and see what results you get.
Speaker 1: So I'm an engineer and let me experiment. So a
Speaker 1: few clients that I trust, but I said, give me
Speaker 1: your birth time. You know I'm going to do something
Speaker 1: a little strange, but I just want to experiment. Give
Speaker 1: me a birth time. Says, Okay, here's my birth time.
Speaker 1: Here's when I was born. I'd look up their chart
Speaker 1: and I would analyze the first house of the birth chart,
Speaker 1: which is a lot to do with you, your mind,
Speaker 1: body constitution, and now your veda. You can use the
Speaker 1: birth chart to figure out some of these kinds of
Speaker 1: and I was getting an accurate read. Every single time.
Speaker 1: I would ask the client, hey, I noticed this, and
Speaker 1: I would say this is probably a characteristic of yours,
Speaker 1: and they would say, how do you know that about me? Fish,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to hide that for years. How did
Speaker 1: you discover who I really am? And so I kept
Speaker 1: getting this feedback loop and thinking there's something to this
Speaker 1: astrology thing. If I can figure out somebody's mind body
Speaker 1: constitution with the astrology chart, what else can I figure
Speaker 1: out about that? And so that opened up this whole
Speaker 1: wormhole of Vata astrology that have gone deep, deep, deep into.
Speaker 2: Now can I ask you, do you use a software
Speaker 2: application for your charts? Because I know that the Western
Speaker 2: astrology the math is so insane and so time consuming
Speaker 2: that you punch in some coordinates and some numbers you
Speaker 2: get good material. But the Vedic system is much more
Speaker 2: in depth. Can you get the same kind of a
Speaker 2: package software application for that?
Speaker 1: Yes, there are many software packages out there. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe not as much as the Western astrology because it's
Speaker 1: not as Veda strology is not as well known, But
Speaker 1: there are several software packages that are very powerful and
Speaker 1: they calculate and you can calculate charts by hand, but
Speaker 1: it takes a long time. I personally haven't had fun
Speaker 1: the time to do it. I will maybe one day
Speaker 1: when I retired that'll be my hobby is hand calculating charts.
Speaker 1: But for now, I pull up a computer software and
Speaker 1: within a few minutes I can pull up a chart.
Speaker 1: And the biggest thing that I understood is the Vedic
Speaker 1: astrology system uses actual star positions and planet positions in
Speaker 1: the sky. So if I'm looking at my computer screen
Speaker 1: to a chart and I decide to look out the
Speaker 1: window of the telescope, what I see in the chart
Speaker 1: matches what I see in the telescope. What I've understood
Speaker 1: in the Western system is the Western astrologers chart doesn't
Speaker 1: actually match the observable positions of the planets and stars
Speaker 1: in the sky. So if you pull up a Western
Speaker 1: strology chart on your screen and then you decide to
Speaker 1: look out the window and look at the sky, they
Speaker 1: won't match each other. So that was sort of the
Speaker 1: first thing as an engineer, you know, as a business executive,
Speaker 1: and sort of looking for logic. The Vedic system to me,
Speaker 1: logically matches the sky the Western doesn't. And maybe that
Speaker 1: explains some of the you know, hocus pocus reputation that
Speaker 1: astrology has, especially from the Western point of view.
Speaker 2: Why why does astrology get such a bad rap? Is
Speaker 2: it because it's too wishy washi and the interpretations have
Speaker 2: been all over the place.
Speaker 1: I think. So, I mean, if I pull up a
Speaker 1: you know, a pop culture book or magazine with Western astrology.
Speaker 1: I can almost map anything that they're saying in any
Speaker 1: sign to myself. It's almost like I could be any
Speaker 1: of these, and I feel like people read them and
Speaker 1: they pick the one that they think they are because
Speaker 1: of their month they're born, and then they sort of
Speaker 1: self select towards that. It's almost like my client's cheating
Speaker 1: on the quiz. You sort of like, well, that's my sign,
Speaker 1: and so I'm going to be like that. But it's
Speaker 1: not the truth of their soul. It's just sort of this,
Speaker 1: you know, ego driven kind of a exercise. So in
Speaker 1: Vedic astrology, we map it to the sky and when
Speaker 1: you get the actual positions, you start to discover what
Speaker 1: your soul is really trying to do. So you're trying
Speaker 1: to get to a ground truth. So Western astrology feels
Speaker 1: disconnected from the sky, disconnected from your soul, So it
Speaker 1: feels a bit superficial in nature, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why it gets this bad reputation because it doesn't have
Speaker 1: good underlying math. Now somewhat most Western astrologers are very intuitive.
Speaker 1: They almost have a psychic ability, so they use the
Speaker 1: chart as a stepping stone for their intuition to activate
Speaker 1: and then they say some pretty accurate things if you
Speaker 1: get a reading from a Westerner astrologer. What I liked
Speaker 1: about the Vadic astrology system is you don't really need
Speaker 1: the intuition. You can just look at the positions and
Speaker 1: they actually map very accurately. So when I started doing
Speaker 1: this work, I didn't have a heightened intuition. I would
Speaker 1: just say, okay, I see this planet Mars. It's this
Speaker 1: fiery aggressive planet. It's right overhead in the tenth house.
Speaker 1: When you're born, do you have some kind of leadership
Speaker 1: role at work?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a manager of blah blah blah blah. Are
Speaker 1: you very aggressive? You tend to upset employee?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm very aggressive my employees. I make them very upset
Speaker 1: all the time. My boss told me I need to
Speaker 1: calm that down. Okay, So it's matching, no intuition required. Now,
Speaker 1: as I've been using the system, the intuition has been growing,
Speaker 1: and now I can look deeper and say, oh wow,
Speaker 1: there's some more underlying hidden stuff. Maybe there were some
Speaker 1: issues when you were a kid and somebody was very
Speaker 1: aggressive with you because of this particular planet placement. And
Speaker 1: then people will be like, wow, how do you know
Speaker 1: that about me. So I think the Western astrology is
Speaker 1: much more intuitive based. The Vedic strology has a natural
Speaker 1: logical component and when you layer on the intuition, then
Speaker 1: it becomes extremely insightful and powerful.
Speaker 2: You say your book that Vedic astrology has more accurate calculations.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: So that's the idea that it's accurate to sky. It's
Speaker 1: accurate to the sky. So what happened? And again, this
Speaker 1: is a historical version of events. I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what, you know, what the history was. But there
Speaker 1: was a time when Western astrology in Vedic astrology coincided
Speaker 1: in their view of the sky. And it's around two
Speaker 1: hundred AD. So I'm assuming that maybe around two hundred
Speaker 1: eight is when the Western system leveraged off the Vedic system,
Speaker 1: because the Vedic system has to be ten to fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand years old at least that was the time of
Speaker 1: the rishis that was a time of fifteen.
Speaker 2: Thousand years old. Thank That's what I believe, thank you,
Speaker 2: because the typical, the average thought is it's five thousand
Speaker 2: years old. That came through and there were some notations
Speaker 2: that's found in various ancient temples in Egypt. I don't
Speaker 2: know if where it would be found in India is
Speaker 2: probably all over the place and the temples there, but
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen thousand years that feels more of a
Speaker 2: likely number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe fifteen thousand years ago there was a
Speaker 1: civilization in the Indus River Valley, the Indus River Valley civilization.
Speaker 1: It's the foothills of the western Himalayas kind of Afghanistan, Pakistan,
Speaker 1: India where they meet. And these were very enlightened, highly aware,
Speaker 1: it tuned people that you could call them the original
Speaker 1: Yogis or the Rishi's, the rishis, or the seers, the sages,
Speaker 1: and they sat in deep states of meditation for hours
Speaker 1: on end, days and years on end, and generations on end.
Speaker 1: And I believe in these heightened states of meditation they
Speaker 1: accessed some kind of consciousness. And it is said in
Speaker 1: the Indian tradition that this is all a heard and
Speaker 1: remembered tradition. So nobody came up with it. It was
Speaker 1: heard and intuited and then developed. And so these heightened
Speaker 1: states awareness, they heard and understand They understood the nature
Speaker 1: of our universe and then started to codify it in
Speaker 1: a series of poems in an art form of poetry,
Speaker 1: and they would then communicate this in an oral tradition
Speaker 1: to each other and from generation to generation.
Speaker 2: So these are human beings that have a heightened consciousness
Speaker 2: number one, but also their development there they might be
Speaker 2: they might look like this, but there are a whole
Speaker 2: different race of beings, aren't they.
Speaker 1: It seems like it. Yeah, their intuitive functioning was a
Speaker 1: level that we don't understand today. And I think you
Speaker 1: know today we have some people that are psychic and
Speaker 1: ability or mediums, and they have little bits and pieces
Speaker 1: of those abilities. But these people had like the rounded
Speaker 1: full ability and they developed these systems, and so they
Speaker 1: started transmitting an oral tradition, let's say, from fifteen thousand
Speaker 1: years ago to maybe about five thousand years ago, So
Speaker 1: let's say it's a ten thousand year oral tradition. And
Speaker 1: then at some point somebody said, let's write it down,
Speaker 1: and so then five thousand years ago they started to
Speaker 1: write these things down the first some of the earliest
Speaker 1: writings known to humankind, and this became known as the Vedas.
Speaker 1: So the Vaders were finally written about five thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: So be incorrect to say that this tradition started five
Speaker 1: thousand years ago, because just because it was written doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it exists prior.
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Speaker 3: Whis person my what you're gonna do? So take a
Speaker 3: care chick pleas you know what they say, You have
Speaker 3: the careful and become love the wise. You should be
Speaker 3: ready to stumble. You know what they say, it's a.
Speaker 2: Fishery is my guest today. He has written a new
Speaker 2: book called Astrology Decoded, The intricacy of Vedic astrology, how
Speaker 2: it pulls apart the influence of other planets on us,
Speaker 2: and how to bypass that and get to the best
Speaker 2: part of your life. Anyone talks like you, Vish, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry because I talk to people who are astrologers and
Speaker 2: they believe that five thousand years is the initial starting point.
Speaker 2: But you're you made a very good point. Five thousand
Speaker 2: years ago is when it was started. When they started
Speaker 2: writing it down so they could transfer in volumes or
Speaker 2: books or whatever to people as a teaching tool. Perhaps
Speaker 2: get the less evolved as human beings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Cliff, I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: I believe that over time the overall consciousness and awareness
Speaker 1: and enlightenment of the human beings was lessening, and they
Speaker 1: realized if they didn't codify it in writing, it would
Speaker 1: be lost. Because people have that ability, because you know,
Speaker 1: when you tell a story or poetry in the Indian tradition,
Speaker 1: the story is like a foundation for insights, and the
Speaker 1: insights are not spoken, they're transmitted nonverbally around the story.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the teachings of the Vata system
Speaker 1: are done in story form, and the real knowledge is
Speaker 1: what's beyond the story, not in the words the story itself.
Speaker 1: And so when we say the word mythology is not
Speaker 1: the right word means it's fake. It's actually a vehicle
Speaker 1: of transmission of knowledge. That's what a mythological story is.
Speaker 1: And so they wrote all this in poetry and story
Speaker 1: form in the Vedas, and so Leada's usually are hymns,
Speaker 1: and these beautiful hymns that are composed that you know
Speaker 1: when you hear the recitation of them, knowledge is being transferred.
Speaker 1: And so then the Vedic astrologies is some of the
Speaker 1: oldest texts and the Vedic astrology system end up being
Speaker 1: about five thousand years old, six thousand years old, and
Speaker 1: certain stages said, let me take the knowledge and try
Speaker 1: to codify it. But then along the way, a lot
Speaker 1: of these things got lost, like texts got lost, things
Speaker 1: got you know, India was conquered by the Mughal Empire,
Speaker 1: then the British Empire. Along the way, a lot of
Speaker 1: the works were desecrated, the temples were desecrated, things were
Speaker 1: just lost along the way. And then over time we've
Speaker 1: all become less and less conscious, so we can't handle it.
Speaker 1: Like I read one line of the text and I'm
Speaker 1: like completely confused, whereas a person from fifteen thousand years
Speaker 1: ago they would hear that one line of text and
Speaker 1: have profound insights into our human nature from it.
Speaker 2: I love this because we talk about the Yugas quite regularly,
Speaker 2: and the treata Yoga is the highest point where the
Speaker 2: humans that are out there, what we know of them,
Speaker 2: could manifest with their thoughts. They could each the highest levels.
Speaker 2: They could communicate other in other parts of the planet,
Speaker 2: if not off planet, and it's a vibrational system, a
Speaker 2: vibrational community, in its purest form. And this is what
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, this early development is. I want you to
Speaker 2: talk if you can't, briefly about the system of yoga.
Speaker 2: It's the vibration of these planets on the day you
Speaker 2: were born. In other words, that's what yoga is, is
Speaker 2: the vibrational patterns of these planets which are dominant in
Speaker 2: your in your sign. Talk briefly about the most rudimentary
Speaker 2: vibrational patterns that we absorb as a physical being and
Speaker 2: what that is, how that's imprinted, and how you, as
Speaker 2: an astrologer decode that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so use the word yoga system, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the vata castrology system that is connected.
Speaker 1: But they're all connected, right, And that's one of the
Speaker 1: things is this ancient tradition has the science of yoga,
Speaker 1: the science of music, the science of warfare, the science
Speaker 1: of buildings, the building in space, the science of mind,
Speaker 1: body medicine, the science of philosophy. Like they're all integrated.
Speaker 1: So Veda astrology is part of a larger context of
Speaker 1: an integrated full system of consciousness and human development, whereas
Speaker 1: the Western strategy is sort of divorced from it. It's
Speaker 1: this sort of like orphaned thing. It feels like that
Speaker 1: came in at one time, matched and then sort of
Speaker 1: drifted into its own sort of you know, inaccurate to
Speaker 1: the sky system. So then what is it about these planets? Yeah,
Speaker 1: at a simple level, we can say, oh, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: these ray beams and they're affecting us, and oh, Mars
Speaker 1: is angry and it shines on us and it makes
Speaker 1: us angry. That's a simplistic way, and that's okay for
Speaker 1: some people. That's a decent level. Consciously say yeah, there's
Speaker 1: these planets influencing me, or when I was born there's
Speaker 1: planetary rays and they affected me and changed. Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: That's one level. The deeper level is in the yoga system,
Speaker 1: we understand that we are not just a bundle of muscles,
Speaker 1: bones and joints walking around, right, We're not just flesh
Speaker 1: and bones. There's something that animates us. There's another layer
Speaker 1: of our being. And so we say there's a body,
Speaker 1: a mind, and a soul, three layers of being, and
Speaker 1: that's common in Western nomenclature today. So our physical layer
Speaker 1: is our body, muscles and joints. Our subtle layer is
Speaker 1: our energetic, pronic body, a pronic layer or chi energy
Speaker 1: in the Chinese tradition. And then there's a layer beyond
Speaker 1: that is the soul layer, the causal layer known in
Speaker 1: Sanskrit as the Karna Shuriar, which is the where all
Speaker 1: our karma resides, the deeper, deeper soul. And then there's
Speaker 1: a part of our soul that is beyond everything, they
Speaker 1: call the paramount mon. It's beyond it's connected universe. So
Speaker 1: when a person like Deepak Chopra says you are the universe,
Speaker 1: he's saying that what is out there is in here.
Speaker 1: What is in here is reflected out there. There's a
Speaker 1: symbiotic connection between you and the universe. The same thing.
Speaker 1: The planets seem like a bundle of rock and gas
Speaker 1: floating around space. At a physical layer, it's like we're
Speaker 1: just a bundle of muscles, bones and joints. But there's
Speaker 1: an animated layer as well to the planets. There's a
Speaker 1: subtle layer and a causal layer as well. At the
Speaker 1: causal soul layer, the planets and us are connected. We're
Speaker 1: a reflection of the planets. They're all within us. But
Speaker 1: that's very hard for humans to comprehend. So in a
Speaker 1: simple way, we just say they're archetypes. Mars is the
Speaker 1: archetype of fire and warrior and commanding. Mercury's archetype of
Speaker 1: expression and communication. Venus is the archetype of love and
Speaker 1: happiness and comfort. And all of those archetypes exist within us.
Speaker 1: And when we activate that archetype, we can think of
Speaker 1: that planet and it will help architect it'll help activate
Speaker 1: that archetype within us. So what happens when we're born.
Speaker 1: The moment we're born, our soul basically says I'm going
Speaker 1: to take on a particular incarnation in order to learn
Speaker 1: whatever lessons I need in this particular soul period of
Speaker 1: my time.
Speaker 2: So before you incarnated, you had a script that was prepared,
Speaker 2: and then you soul came into the body, and at
Speaker 2: that time all these constellations were aligned and known about
Speaker 2: when you were born.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So one way to think about it is the
Speaker 1: soul is so deeply intelligent and aware. It knows the
Speaker 1: exact circumstance of birth to be born into in order
Speaker 1: to live the lessons it needs to live. The right family,
Speaker 1: the right circumstances, the right everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: However, because the soul is so intelligent, it's reflected in
Speaker 1: the heavens. So here we are mere mortals who don't
Speaker 1: really know our souls very well. We're not soul connected.
Speaker 1: The ancients were soul connected. We're sort of soul disconnected.
Speaker 1: So we use our little brains to say, Okay, let
Speaker 1: me see what the heavens were at the moment that
Speaker 1: this incarnated, at the moment that Cliff took his first breath.
Speaker 1: If I can figure out the map of the stars
Speaker 1: and figure out what star was where, what planet was where,
Speaker 1: I can try and figure out what is Cliff's soul
Speaker 1: really thinking and help his brain understand what his soul's
Speaker 1: intentions are. I love it. And the more you align
Speaker 1: your mind and your emotions and your mental craziness with
Speaker 1: the soul, the more happiness you have in life.
Speaker 2: So this is the point I want. This is very
Speaker 2: important what you're saying here. When you can follow your
Speaker 2: chart as closely as possible, you're actually doing your soul's
Speaker 2: wishes or what the soul had hoped for as this incarnation.
Speaker 1: Right, But our minds are so powerful we literally fight
Speaker 1: our souls every step of the way and go a
Speaker 1: different direction. That's what happened, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the Vedic medicine tradition, we know that when you
Speaker 1: are misaligned to your soul, when you move away from
Speaker 1: your soul's natural intention, you start to have disease of
Speaker 1: the mind. And most of us have some kind of
Speaker 1: disease of the mind, especially today on election Day, we
Speaker 1: have some disease of the mind. And then if the
Speaker 1: mind disease continues, it starts to manifest as physical disease,
Speaker 1: disease the body. And so usually, like if you go
Speaker 1: to an irvating doctor, they're going to try to understand
Speaker 1: where have you deviated from your soul's intention and try
Speaker 1: to reconnect you to that alignment. And so what I'm
Speaker 1: doing is an astrologer saying, if I look at the
Speaker 1: planets and stars in their alignment the moment of your birth,
Speaker 1: I can try to figure out what was your soul's
Speaker 1: syllabus this time around, and how well you're tracking that syllabus,
Speaker 1: and can we do anything to get you back on
Speaker 1: track with your syllabus. If you're way off track, then
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of disease. And it's again
Speaker 1: trying to use the mind to help sort things out,
Speaker 1: because the mind is our most powerful tool. The mind
Speaker 1: is what determines what actions we take, how we use
Speaker 1: our body.
Speaker 2: It's so funny you mentioned that because the last she
Speaker 2: was a woman who did my veadic chart. She was
Speaker 2: very much into nutrition and following a certain path based
Speaker 2: on this incarnation, and her recommendations were so important. I
Speaker 2: was dealing with some kind of guitar. I think it
Speaker 2: was too much bread, too much gluten at the time,
Speaker 2: and her recommendations actually changed my body, which was fantastic.
Speaker 2: So you're making a very important point here is that
Speaker 2: you're you're saying, I see this in this body of yours,
Speaker 2: and if you perhaps follow closer to the true intent
Speaker 2: of this incarnation, you will have a better life.
Speaker 1: Right Like, And you know I was a master at
Speaker 1: avoiding the soul's destiny, right that was my whole life,
Speaker 1: corporate career. So if you look at my if somebody
Speaker 1: looks at my chart as oh, you're a very good
Speaker 1: spiritual teacher. You have a natural incarnation inclination to teach
Speaker 1: spiritual subjects. What did I think? I was like, No,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a CEO. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: the boss. I want to be the top CEO and
Speaker 1: a big company. I'm going to keep working at it.
Speaker 1: And so I pushed and pushed and almost like I remember,
Speaker 1: it was just like this ability of willpower and mind
Speaker 1: over soul to push myself a direction that to me
Speaker 1: was what I what I thought was the right path.
Speaker 1: And eventually, you know, karmak forces become so powerful in
Speaker 1: a way, they sort of recorrect and then you kind
Speaker 1: of fall down. When you pick up, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what I was supposed to do. And so now
Speaker 1: here I am as I aligned to this kind of
Speaker 1: deeper soul nature. Things have completely changed, right overall and.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and it's fun to hear that. You know,
Speaker 2: you're wanting to be in a corporate world, but you're not.
Speaker 2: You're just your natural inclination is not to do that.
Speaker 2: Let's talk briefly about karma. How does karma influence us
Speaker 2: and when we incarnate, how does that impact our life?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so karma is a huge topic. But the word
Speaker 1: of karma is the word gutter gut in Hindi and
Speaker 1: in sanscrit means to do. So karma at the end
Speaker 1: of they just action. Action that you take, an action
Speaker 1: that you take that is aligned with the soul is
Speaker 1: good karma. Action that you take this misaligned with the
Speaker 1: soul is you could say bad karma. Right, that's the
Speaker 1: basic tenet, but it's it's almost like this very sophisticated
Speaker 1: accounting system. I don't know if you ever watched that
Speaker 1: show The Good Place with Ted Danson. It's like Kristen
Speaker 1: bell is in it. She dies and then she ends
Speaker 1: up in Ted Danson's office and he's like the guy,
Speaker 1: you know, the god or whatever whatever his role is.
Speaker 1: And then he pulls up her balance sheet and it's
Speaker 1: like all these green things of good things. She did,
Speaker 1: help this lady cross the road and did something, and
Speaker 1: then all these red things cut somebody offs were at,
Speaker 1: somebody is balancing, and then based on that you determine
Speaker 1: where you go next. And she gets sent off to
Speaker 1: the Good Place, right. And so that whole concept is
Speaker 1: very integral in the vating system, is that there is
Speaker 1: a celestial accountant who has no judgment, Like just like
Speaker 1: your accountant, there's no judging. There's like there's debits and
Speaker 1: there's credits, and that's it. The most of the religious
Speaker 1: traditions have some kind of judgment, Oh you did something bad,
Speaker 1: you did something good. This is more like you did
Speaker 1: some bad stuff. Okay, here's a balance sheet, do some
Speaker 1: good stuff. Here's a balance sheet, and let's add up
Speaker 1: and tally up your balance sheet. And so whenever you
Speaker 1: do something good or bad, that balance has to get
Speaker 1: rectified and paid off. So if in some past life
Speaker 1: you injured somebody, Let's say you took a baseball bat
Speaker 1: and you whacked somebody in the arm and you broke
Speaker 1: their arm, you have to pay back for that action. Right,
Speaker 1: maybe not that lifetime. Maybe that lifetime you keep on
Speaker 1: taking baseball bats and hate people in the arm and
Speaker 1: nothing happens to you. But the next lifetime you may
Speaker 1: have to face some issue with your arm.
Speaker 2: The accountant, who's the accountant. Who's is it the soul
Speaker 2: or is it an overseer? There's an over that's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I am the I am the karma overseer, and I
Speaker 2: watch billions of people every second of the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this this is the kind of a corporate hierarchy.
Speaker 2: So there is.
Speaker 1: An organization. There's a data named Chitra. Who is the countant.
Speaker 1: Here's the countant. He has your balance sheets.
Speaker 2: An actual there's an actual being.
Speaker 1: That's his the mythological the being and he his kind
Speaker 1: of counterpart. The the other department is Lord Yama, who's
Speaker 1: the god of death who when your time's up, he
Speaker 1: comes and takes you away and you can't really negotiate
Speaker 1: with him. The time's up, he comes and he takes
Speaker 1: you into the other worlds and he sends you like
Speaker 1: so Lord Lord Yama comes and takes you. Then ship
Speaker 1: there gup that meets you and says, okay, based on
Speaker 1: everything you've done, here's a balance sheet. Here's where you
Speaker 1: go next. And you get sent off to the department
Speaker 1: and they both departments report to Lord Saturn. Saturn, the
Speaker 1: planet Saturn, Lord Shaani Wow, and so he is the
Speaker 1: big boss. And Shani has this ability to walk with
Speaker 1: you throughout your life and help rectify the balance sheet.
Speaker 1: So in India people are terrified of Saturn. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: my god, Saturday, He's gonna give me bad karma. But
Speaker 1: that's not what he's doing. He's just saying, look, I'm
Speaker 1: helping you in life to improve your balance sheet, because
Speaker 1: when you get to my guy Chitra Gupta, I want
Speaker 1: to improve your balance sheet. So Saturn gives you some
Speaker 1: hardship in life to try to purify and pay off
Speaker 1: those debts. So if you had whacked a bunch of
Speaker 1: people with baseball bats in your past life, this life,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get hit a bunch of times, and Saturn
Speaker 1: is responsible for that, and the astrologer can see that, oh,
Speaker 1: you have some challenge maybe in your arm to have
Speaker 1: an injury around this time. Because the debt has come due.
Speaker 1: Now you can say, well, I'm really sorry for hurting
Speaker 1: all those people, but sorry is not good enough here
Speaker 1: because the action is done. So you have to now
Speaker 1: do something to alleviate that. So you can say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to go donate to an organization
Speaker 1: that helps people who've been had arm injuries, right, or
Speaker 1: I'm going to go and you know, support a cause
Speaker 1: that deals with anger management. Or you know, sometimes I say,
Speaker 1: when people have a difficult mars, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: support a veteran's cause and help soldiers have been injured
Speaker 1: in war. And by doing that, you're sort of paying
Speaker 1: back the debt in a nicer way, in a way
Speaker 1: that's to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this because this is more credibility for
Speaker 2: the astrological reading that people have. You don't just have
Speaker 2: one in one lifetime. You have them throughout different patterns,
Speaker 2: different parts of your life to see if you're removing
Speaker 2: that karma, but not only that, if you're living your
Speaker 2: best life. And I don't see that happening with Western astrology.
Speaker 2: They don't address the details that Vedic astrology addresses, do.
Speaker 1: They And there's no like meal system. Like. The thing
Speaker 1: about the Vedic astrology is there's a whole system of
Speaker 1: remedies that helps you deal with the karma. Right, you
Speaker 1: can do activities that help lessen that and you can say, hey, Saturn,
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry for it last time around. Please make
Speaker 1: it easy. And so you have a deity to pray to,
Speaker 1: like Saturn exists Saturn. There are month thrust for Saturn,
Speaker 1: their remedies, Saturn's day is Saturn Day. You can do
Speaker 1: month rest to Saturn on a Saturday. You do service
Speaker 1: and volunteering on a Saturday, and Saturday says you know what,
Speaker 1: I think you're paying off the karma. I'm going to
Speaker 1: lessen that. And now instead of a you know, like
Speaker 1: a major pain in your arm, you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: little scratch and you know, the dick gets paid off
Speaker 1: that way. So you find a way to manage it.
Speaker 1: So I almost find myself as a karmic manager trying
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, what did you do? What's that you know?
Speaker 1: I use the example in the book of you go
Speaker 1: to a restaurant, you eat a nice meal, and people
Speaker 1: don't think about it. When you eat a nice meal,
Speaker 1: how many people are involved in making that meal happen?
Speaker 1: Supplis There's people who had to grow the food. There's
Speaker 1: people had to prepare, the dishwashers, the cooks, the waitstat
Speaker 1: all of that. And you finish this delicious meal and
Speaker 1: you walk out of the restaurant without pain. You owe someone, right,
Speaker 1: you owe? There's a debt. Now how are you going
Speaker 1: to pay that debt off? Now you had the option
Speaker 1: of credit card or check or cash, but instead you
Speaker 1: walked out. So now the option is you might go
Speaker 1: to jail, you might get a police knocking on your door,
Speaker 1: you might end up having to wash dishes more unpleasant
Speaker 1: ways than the check, cash or money order. That would
Speaker 1: be an easier way to pay off that karma. So
Speaker 1: just thinking. So part of what I want to do
Speaker 1: with the book is also say you don't need an astrologer.
Speaker 1: You don't need to look at astrology chart. Just think, like,
Speaker 1: what is the right thing to do? Think about life
Speaker 1: in a from a karmic viewpoint. I am I helping
Speaker 1: my soul evolve to a nice balanced zero debt situation?
Speaker 1: Or am I creating more and more debt with all
Speaker 1: of my actions?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: You refer to balance using three different systems a evetic
Speaker 2: ah Yo tish tishi and then yoga. Talk about integrating
Speaker 2: all three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's what I look at is the you
Speaker 1: could almost think of a stool with three legs. Joe
Speaker 1: dish which is Joe Diish means the science of light,
Speaker 1: which is the science of Veda astrology beta astrology and
Speaker 1: in SATs prison as Joe Dish. Then there's yoga, which
Speaker 1: is another leg of the stool, which is the system
Speaker 1: of you know, a way of living and disciplined living
Speaker 1: and you know, energetic practices to prepare the body to
Speaker 1: access higher realms of consciousness. And then there's the ir
Speaker 1: Veda system, which is the mind body medicine system, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, what is the right food and diet and
Speaker 1: lifestyle to support your unique soul constitution. And so when
Speaker 1: you combine the three, it becomes a very powerful way
Speaker 1: of living. And so my first book, The Business Casual
Speaker 1: Yoga that The Business Casual was a book about yoga
Speaker 1: and ayr Veda, and now The Astrology Code is a
Speaker 1: book on astrology. And these three systems together across the
Speaker 1: two books really help you live a much more aligned
Speaker 1: and conscious life.
Speaker 2: We're going to take another commercial break to allow our
Speaker 2: sponsors to identify themselves and we'll return shortly with my
Speaker 2: guest today, Vish Chatterjee discussing his latest book, Astrology Decoded.
Speaker 1: M The Mood.
Speaker 2: Astrologer VIC Strategy is my guest today. He is an
Speaker 2: expert on vedick otherwise known as Hindu astrology, and he's
Speaker 2: explaining to us the details the information that has provided
Speaker 2: when you get a chart done in this system of astrology.
Speaker 2: So your goal in this new book, Astrology Decoded is
Speaker 2: to give people pathways what to heal, but also to
Speaker 2: have a better life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to heal and have more consciousness. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: noticed how much conversation is taking place today about astrology.
Speaker 1: People seem to be obsessed with it. Why are so
Speaker 1: many young people, especially millennials and Gen Z they're obsessed
Speaker 1: with astrology? Why? Because they want to learn about themselves.
Speaker 1: They want to know themselves better, and the most easy
Speaker 1: way to access strology right now is Western astrology. Right,
Speaker 1: That's what's in the zeitgeist. That's what's in Cosmo magazine,
Speaker 1: or talked about in podcasts or in the newspaper or
Speaker 1: in all sorts of conversations. Right say, oh, what's your sign?
Speaker 1: I mean, I hear hr executives saying, oh, that's so
Speaker 1: and so's a virgo, so and so's Leo. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're talking about because they want to learn about themselves.
Speaker 1: But if I said, hey, there's a more sophisticated system,
Speaker 1: the original system of astrology, it's Vadic astrology. Go learn
Speaker 1: about that, there's nowhere to turn until this book. It's
Speaker 1: too complicated. If I give you an average astrology book,
Speaker 1: the Vedic astrology, you're going to be confused. By chapter two.
Speaker 1: You'll be like, I don't get this.
Speaker 2: I don't it's all over the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too confusing. So my goal was to write
Speaker 1: a book that is like the on wrap, the basic
Speaker 1: basic understanding that hey, hey everyone, there is another system
Speaker 1: out there. It is much more elegant, sophisticated, and beautiful.
Speaker 1: It is much more related, and you can take a
Speaker 1: bit of a DIY approach to it. You know, I
Speaker 1: was an engineer, I'm a DIY. I'm like, what can
Speaker 1: I do myself? What can I do without having to
Speaker 1: pay for an astrologer, without having to go and learn
Speaker 1: this system? What can I do to just understand my
Speaker 1: life better and how these planets are interacting me on
Speaker 1: a daily basis. So as you read through Astrology Decoded,
Speaker 1: you learn, Oh, Venus is this planet of beauty and
Speaker 1: love and prosperity. Oh, I'm having difficulty with love in
Speaker 1: my life. There must be something going on with Venus
Speaker 1: in my life. How do I deal with Venus? Oh?
Speaker 1: I can do some more, you know, uh, painting and
Speaker 1: art and music which honors Venus and therefore improve that
Speaker 1: energy of Venus and improve the love in my life.
Speaker 1: So the idea is to look at everyday activities that
Speaker 1: you can do that attenuate or accentuate those energies and
Speaker 1: improve that area of your life without having to rely on,
Speaker 1: you know, being beholden to some astrologer telling you what
Speaker 1: you should and should do.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Chapter nine is and I like this. I
Speaker 2: want you to talk a little bit about this finding
Speaker 2: karmic balance through remedies and rituals. I love that title
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about remedies and rituals because I
Speaker 2: don't think people do enough rituals to begin with. How
Speaker 2: does a ritual help you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So the Vedic people, these fifteen thousand and ten thousand
Speaker 1: year ago culture, they had these cities like the Mayanjaro
Speaker 1: and Harapa. They had these sort of communities that they
Speaker 1: lived in that were excavated in recent times. And when
Speaker 1: they did the excavations, they found that every home had
Speaker 1: these fire pits. Every householder performed these very elaborate fire
Speaker 1: rituals and made worship to the deities through fire. And
Speaker 1: these fire rituals have continued for generations even today. In
Speaker 1: my own home, every Sunday, I practiced this ancient fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand year old fire ritual and chant the same manthras
Speaker 1: that my ancestors. And what I've understood is the Vedic
Speaker 1: people relied on ritual to shift energies. They did very
Speaker 1: specific rituals to shift energies and have this sort of
Speaker 1: access to deeper consciousness.
Speaker 2: Describe that a little bit of is when you say
Speaker 2: changing energy, are they changing it? Through the voice or
Speaker 2: they changing it through intention to change it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a combination, yeah.
Speaker 1: Voice, intention, devotion, activation, fire, water, earth, air elements, space
Speaker 1: elements being honored like a combination of things. And so
Speaker 1: that was sort of a known that if you did
Speaker 1: certain rituals you could shift karma. You can literally shift
Speaker 1: karma through ritual. That's how they stood it. And then
Speaker 1: you know, in the religious tradition that then descended from
Speaker 1: the Vatic tradition, ritual is everything, and every religion out
Speaker 1: there there's ritual involved, right, and in Hinduism, which comes
Speaker 1: directly from the Vedic system, there's a ritual. When you're born,
Speaker 1: there's a ritual. When you're name, there's a ritual. When
Speaker 1: you first eat your rice, there's a ritual when anything.
Speaker 1: You get married, there's a ritual. You die, there's a ritual.
Speaker 1: But in today's world, we sort of lost track of ritual.
Speaker 1: We don't do rituals anymore. But then we come back
Speaker 1: to the corporate world and you realize that all these
Speaker 1: high powered executives they have some ritual they do and
Speaker 1: it might be the ritual as I get up in
Speaker 1: the morning and I go for a run or I
Speaker 1: get up in a journal in the morning, there's some
Speaker 1: kind of daily activity that's done to make some shift
Speaker 1: in their day. So I start to see the successful
Speaker 1: corporate people all have some kind of rituals. Successful leaders
Speaker 1: all kind of have some kind of morning ritual. And
Speaker 1: in the yoga system, yoga is all about your morning
Speaker 1: routine and your morning ritual, and how your vada mind
Speaker 1: body system is all about your daily morning routine as well.
Speaker 1: And beta astrology also sees when you do daily rituals
Speaker 1: they shift things. So I start to thinking, what are
Speaker 1: rituals like? What is a ritual? It's something that you
Speaker 1: do every day with intention, with devotion to activate certain
Speaker 1: energies and go from very mundane ritual like a morning
Speaker 1: walk to more elaborate things like chanting certain manthras to
Speaker 1: certain planets and deities to affect a certain change. And
Speaker 1: so then I start experimenting. Right, somebody says, oh, I
Speaker 1: have a problem. I'm having this challenge in life, and
Speaker 1: I can see what that karma is, and I give
Speaker 1: them a ritual to work with that planet. And every
Speaker 1: morning they light a candle, they chant a certain month
Speaker 1: thra to that planet. They bring that an aspect of
Speaker 1: that an archetype of that planet to mind. They offer
Speaker 1: some water, maybe some food or fruits. They do it
Speaker 1: with intention devotion. After a few weeks and months of
Speaker 1: that ritual, things shift in their life.
Speaker 2: But in your practice, fish, do you you're seeing somebody's chart,
Speaker 2: do you recommend a ritual as a way to dispel
Speaker 2: problems or for enhancement or for everything? I do?
Speaker 1: I'll be very specific, right, so I'll say, Okay, what
Speaker 1: is the challenge you're having. I'll try to root cause
Speaker 1: it to a particular planet, and once I root causes
Speaker 1: to that planet, I'll give a ritual for that planet
Speaker 1: that works for their tradition. Because you know, somebody might
Speaker 1: be a Catholic, somebody might be a Muslim, somebody might
Speaker 1: be atheist. I mean, it might be agnostic. It has
Speaker 1: to be something that works with their belief system, right,
Speaker 1: because if the intention isn't there, it's not going to work.
Speaker 1: Of course, somebody's Indian and they're Hindu, then it's easy
Speaker 1: to say, okay, you go to Shani Saturn and they
Speaker 1: know what that means, right. But a lot of the
Speaker 1: people in the yoga tradition already open. So you know, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm having lost obstacles in life, and then you give
Speaker 1: them some Ganesh ritual. Ganesh is the archetype of the
Speaker 1: remover obstacles. And I start to see these results, right
Speaker 1: because I'm the engineer looking like is this going to work?
Speaker 1: I'm giving this ritual. I'm not sure. And then three
Speaker 1: months later they're like, oh my god, this thing really
Speaker 1: cleared up for me.
Speaker 2: I thought, wow, that that is so amazing. That's like
Speaker 2: pure energetics in motion. I love to hear those things.
Speaker 1: The books Surprised every day. I'm surprised every day. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh that worked.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, it's great. The books called Astrology, de Coded,
Speaker 2: the Secret Science of India, stages and my guess today
Speaker 2: has been vish Chateterjy. I want to talk a little
Speaker 2: bit in our final few minutes about the current events,
Speaker 2: and you're welcome to say I would not like to
Speaker 2: talk about that, but I hope you will talk about
Speaker 2: what's going on. We have the presidential election. It's today today, today,
Speaker 2: we're recording this on Tuesday the fifth. What can you
Speaker 2: say about the presidential election? And it's been so just
Speaker 2: divisive and our country is just split, you know right now,
Speaker 2: which is very, very unsettling for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: A lot of my friends are deeply upset just because
Speaker 2: of the different characters involved, but also the energy of
Speaker 2: the United States. We want to talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the way I look at presidential candidates and
Speaker 1: whoever does get elected as a president is a reflection
Speaker 1: of the consciousness of the country. Right at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, the president is a public servant. They
Speaker 1: are serving the public and their reflection of the consciousness
Speaker 1: of the people at the time. And so without looking
Speaker 1: at the candidates, we have to look at ourselves and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: what is it about our consciousness that's leading us to
Speaker 1: this situation? And you could say we have a split
Speaker 1: consciousness at the moment. We have two sides of our
Speaker 1: nature that we're unable to resolve. We're just confused about it.
Speaker 1: But I look at you know, and again I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert on this. This is called mundane astrology. So
Speaker 1: veta astrology is developed to understand your human journey and
Speaker 1: your human evolution and how do you connect to your
Speaker 1: spiritual nature. But there's a whole system called mundane astrology
Speaker 1: which is taking that astrology the individual and applying it
Speaker 1: to everyday, mundane world events. Yeah, so we can pull
Speaker 1: a chart for the So the chart of the USA
Speaker 1: pretend it's a human being and was born on a
Speaker 1: certain date. And the date that I use is July fourth,
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy six, which I most agree with the nation
Speaker 1: was born, and I use the time of six twenty
Speaker 1: four pm, figuring that was the last signature on the
Speaker 1: document to ratify the document to become a nation, to
Speaker 1: birth the nation in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And the time has
Speaker 1: come from some astrologers that looked at major events in
Speaker 1: the US and back triangulated it to a birth time
Speaker 1: that would work for those events to take place at
Speaker 1: those times. Oh. Interesting, that's a technique. It's called birthtime rectification. Right,
Speaker 1: So that birth chart gives us a Sagittarius rising for
Speaker 1: the US. And what was that? What's your reaction to that.
Speaker 2: I'm just listening and smiling because I loved hearing about this,
Speaker 2: because you're actually deifying the United States. It's an entity
Speaker 2: as an.
Speaker 1: Entity, as a as a being, as a being of itself.
Speaker 1: And I do that for corporations when I have corporate clients,
Speaker 1: I'll do the incorporation date of the company and then
Speaker 1: see what the company is going through.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I like this smiley because I'm like excited
Speaker 2: to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So what's interesting is Sagittaris is a religious kind
Speaker 1: of a sign. It's the most religious of all the signs,
Speaker 1: and so you could say it's a nation founded in religion,
Speaker 1: which is true it started out that way. But the ascendant,
Speaker 1: and this is a tougher concept. So we have twelve
Speaker 1: zodiac signs aries Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, so on. But then
Speaker 1: in the veding system we also have twenty seven more
Speaker 1: distant constellations that we use that really help understand sort
Speaker 1: of the mythological side of things. And the ascendant of
Speaker 1: the US is in a location called Mullah, and Mullah
Speaker 1: is a constellation that looks like the root. And Mullah
Speaker 1: is also the word we use for money right in
Speaker 1: American culture, the root of all evils. So you can
Speaker 1: see that it's a company the country that's obsessed with
Speaker 1: money and getting to the roots of things and establishing
Speaker 1: new roots. And you know, the US was an uprooted country.
Speaker 1: It's an uprooting of the old world into the new world.
Speaker 1: So that's there. But the thing is, when Mullah gets activated,
Speaker 1: it creates this really sort of tearing down to the roots.
Speaker 1: And Mullah in the US birth chrire was activated in
Speaker 1: the beginning of twenty twenty, so it actually was actually
Speaker 1: around October November of twenty nineteen. We had some planetary
Speaker 1: positions of Rahu and kid to go over Mullah and
Speaker 1: are there these two axes that activated major churning of
Speaker 1: the US. And so what happened around September October November
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, probably when the first cases of COVID were discovered,
Speaker 1: that activated a major churning for our country. And so
Speaker 1: we went through that churning. So you can say, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a disease, there's a pandemic, but there was
Speaker 1: sort of a crisis of our soul really through that time,
Speaker 1: and that started this division and churning. Then we have
Speaker 1: the planet Saturn transiting over where the Moon was when
Speaker 1: the US was born. So when you have a birth chart,
Speaker 1: wherever the moon is, the moon represents the mind, the psychology, mind,
Speaker 1: and emotions, and that's the birth start. Then today in space,
Speaker 1: Saturn's moving around and today's Saturn happens to be right
Speaker 1: over the moon. And when this happens in a human being,
Speaker 1: it causes a major crisis for the human being where
Speaker 1: you are literally pushed into a corner and you have
Speaker 1: no choice but to look up and look for salvation.
Speaker 1: And we're in that period right now where Saturn is
Speaker 1: going over the moon and causing us to have major
Speaker 1: emotional instability, major emotional trauma, major questioning of who are we?
Speaker 1: And that's the question we're facing Today's who are we
Speaker 1: as a nation is being determined today November fifth, would
Speaker 1: Saturn literally directly over our natal moon. Saturn is at
Speaker 1: eighteen degrees of Aquarius right now, and our moon was
Speaker 1: at seven degrees of aquarius when we were born. And
Speaker 1: Saturn is going retrograde meting. It's like intense power backwards
Speaker 1: into that. So we are in for a ride, is
Speaker 1: what I can say. And it doesn't alleviate until probably May.
Speaker 1: Of what I see is until at least April May
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. This sort of really difficult Saturnian
Speaker 1: reckoning of karma. Right, we've done some bad things as
Speaker 1: the nation. That Kara's coming due now, and that karma
Speaker 1: has been coming due for four or five years and
Speaker 1: we'll start to feel some relief after May of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. Is what I see. As far as the
Speaker 1: charts go, I would say, Donald Trump has an extremely
Speaker 1: strong chart, like he's got a good hand of cards,
Speaker 1: but he's playing them terribly, And Kamala Harris has a
Speaker 1: weaker hand of cards, but she's playing them excellently in
Speaker 1: an excellent way. So you kind of see this kind
Speaker 1: of interesting with a poker game where you have some
Speaker 1: of your good hand of cards where that plays them
Speaker 1: awfully and somebody who has not such a great hand
Speaker 1: but it's playing them marvelously, and that's why they're neck
Speaker 1: and neck like there. It's like Kamala is like compensating
Speaker 1: for some weaknesses in her chart in a brilliant way,
Speaker 1: and Trump isn't leaning into some great things in his chart,
Speaker 1: so he's kind of you know, there end up even here,
Speaker 1: but we'll see what happens today. Kama has a little
Speaker 1: bit more connection to the US chart at the moment,
Speaker 1: so she has just like an inch ahead, I would say,
Speaker 1: And if you compare the two charts, but again, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of free will involved here. You can do
Speaker 1: a lot to overcome things, but either way, I see
Speaker 1: us in a lot of turmoil until at least May,
Speaker 1: so I think it's a time to do extra meditation,
Speaker 1: extra yoga practice, be resilient, realize that this is just
Speaker 1: a karmic thing that we're all going through, and find
Speaker 1: a way to have love and compass for your friends,
Speaker 1: no matter where they are on the spectrum, because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're all sitting in our
Speaker 1: own information, our own consciousness, our own processing of things.
Speaker 1: We all, I think for the most part, mean well
Speaker 1: like we all want to see this nation continue forward
Speaker 1: in the future as the beacon of hope and light
Speaker 1: for the rest of the planet. And I think everyone's
Speaker 1: picking their horse based on that same desire to be
Speaker 1: a beacon of hope.
Speaker 2: It just seems like one group is forgetting the foundations
Speaker 2: of how we were built, you know, a nation of
Speaker 2: immigrant immigrants, and this divisive thinking it seems to be
Speaker 2: the way. I just don't see this as what the
Speaker 2: founding fathers were interested in. And it seems like we're
Speaker 2: backtracking and trying to develop a different type of personality
Speaker 2: and that's just not who we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also part of our our own karma.
Speaker 1: To face this struggle and divisiveness is part of the
Speaker 1: pain we have to go through, right, and so we
Speaker 1: have to just recognize that, you know, our history hasn't
Speaker 1: all been clean and good. It's had a lot of
Speaker 1: problems along the way, and now we're kind of due
Speaker 1: for reckoning. So whatever happens, we're facing the karma that
Speaker 1: we're due.
Speaker 2: Fish. This has been very insightful. I can talk with
Speaker 2: you for hours. I really enjoyed it. The book just
Speaker 2: came out. You can get it on Amazon or wherever
Speaker 2: you get your books. Astrology de coded, give us your
Speaker 2: website if you have one, and also where people can
Speaker 2: hear more and learn more about you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the website is vishchattergy dot com and if you
Speaker 1: go there, there's actually a birth chart calculator you can use.
Speaker 1: So from there you can order the book. Obviously, please
Speaker 1: support me by ordering the book, but there's also a
Speaker 1: birth tart calculator, so you can calculate a chart and
Speaker 1: then use the book to help decode your own chart.
Speaker 1: And my hope for you is that you start to
Speaker 1: understand your birth chart, start to understand the energies of play,
Speaker 1: and take an active DIY role in improving your life
Speaker 1: through all the practices between yoga, meditation, understanding your mind
Speaker 1: body constitution, understanding your astrology chart, and really develop yourself
Speaker 1: into you know, some movement towards those ancient and enlightened
Speaker 1: beings that we all, you know, look up to.
Speaker 2: Well fish strategy. I really appreciate your time and we'll
Speaker 2: have to have you come back. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh I love it, Cliff, Thank you very much. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me on the show on the Destiny Podcast,
Speaker 1: and thank you for your audience to listen to this
Speaker 1: and learn. Thank you for your attention.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, you know, that was the first
Speaker 2: time I've heard an astrologer refer to the earlier epoch
Speaker 2: tetra yoga and the beings, the advanced beings that were
Speaker 2: that were around the time, that could use their minds
Speaker 2: to travel the galaxies, to travel the Earth, to communicate,
Speaker 2: and they obviously were so sophisticated, and they must have
Speaker 2: had some kind of machinery, some kind of devices, but
Speaker 2: maybe not that they could detect the influence the the
Speaker 2: gravitational energetics from different planets in our solar system and
Speaker 2: perhaps beyond our solar system that we're influencing earth lanes.
Speaker 2: And this is what makes astrology so fascinating and so
Speaker 2: problematic for certain people in the scientific community because they
Speaker 2: just cannot explain it, you know, you can't tell them
Speaker 2: this is energies at work, energies influencing physiology, and a
Speaker 2: few energies influencing body, mind and spirit. That's just that's just,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's the problem with our current reality
Speaker 2: and the scientific community. They are locked in matter. They
Speaker 2: can't leave matter, they can't leave the physical and this
Speaker 2: is the problem. And when we start talking about younger
Speaker 2: scientists who are dialed in, who are programmed for understanding
Speaker 2: toleric energy, earth bound and planetary cosmological energy, then you
Speaker 2: have a whole different breed of scientists that are evolving.
Speaker 2: And I've said it from the very first day I
Speaker 2: launched this website that some some kid, a young scientist
Speaker 2: is going to develop a tool for scanning pyramids, temples
Speaker 2: and other relics that could be buildings or statuary from
Speaker 2: the previous epoch. And I think they're slittered these epoch,
Speaker 2: these early edifices are scattered everywhere, and to be able
Speaker 2: to hold the device up to a temple and it
Speaker 2: begins spinning out data because it's been imprinted with data. Wow,
Speaker 2: and that's what our ancestors did, except they didn't likely
Speaker 2: do it with machinery. They were trained how to use
Speaker 2: their brains, how to access this data through their brains.
Speaker 2: So just fascinating, just amazing, just really really fun to
Speaker 2: have a Visha on the program. In fact, his readings,
Speaker 2: his charts are a little spendy at over three hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to treat myself to a Christmas present
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you what it says. I'll give you
Speaker 2: some hints. I won't read the whole thing because that's private, private,
Speaker 2: but I will talk about a few things, especially with
Speaker 2: my relationships. Maybe she can he, he can provide me
Speaker 2: with some details. So real fun and yeah, check out
Speaker 2: his website for more details on what's going on with
Speaker 2: his the new book. The book just came out. He
Speaker 2: was on he was on Coast to Coast with George
Speaker 2: Norri yesterday and he is making the rounds. So yeah,
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