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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. I'm always fascinated with

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<v Speaker 2>definition tools. We've had people on talking about the ruins

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<v Speaker 2>and various codexes and astrology and channeled information, all that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff sacred knowledge. Today we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>presenting a look at Vedic or Hindu astrology, a topic

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<v Speaker 2>I've been fascinated in for years. I actually had a

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<v Speaker 2>very detailed Vedic astrology chart done about twenty five years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm kind of surprised that i haven't been back since.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that the Vedic astrology covers

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<v Speaker 2>is much more detailed on personal gold progressions and how

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<v Speaker 2>the stars are influencing you, and also, which isn't really

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<v Speaker 2>done in the Western astrology, how to deflect bad energy.

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<v Speaker 2>And with the Hindus, the Vedic astrology, you can wear

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<v Speaker 2>certain Ryan stones and sacred semi precious stones to deflect

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<v Speaker 2>what they call rahu or not necessarily good periods in

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<v Speaker 2>your yearly chart. And I appreciated it. I was so

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<v Speaker 2>much into it that I wore a gold ring with

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a ruby that would deflect rahu

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<v Speaker 2>or these low points in my year. I can't tell

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<v Speaker 2>you right now that it was effective or not, because

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't as conscious of energy then I was then

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<v Speaker 2>I become. But I do know that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>valuable tool to have that chart with me. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was good for a ten year period. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say I had it when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>my late twenties, no, may excuse me, late thirties, And

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<v Speaker 2>so it was good for a period of time. And

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<v Speaker 2>would I would review it and I would call this

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<v Speaker 2>astrologer and get updates, you know, send her some money

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<v Speaker 2>and she would give me updates. So but what I

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<v Speaker 2>really like about our program today is that my guest

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<v Speaker 2>is going to talk about the influence, the energetic influence

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<v Speaker 2>of planets. And we don't talk enough about this in

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<v Speaker 2>general terms when we speak of astrology, because people think, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well I'm a virgo, I'm a sagittarius, I'm a cancer,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm whatever. But that's about as far as they go.

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<v Speaker 2>And they'll go look up what their daily, weekly, monthly

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<v Speaker 2>forecast is for their sign, and that's a very very

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<v Speaker 2>vague way of getting solid data on just what trends

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<v Speaker 2>are coming up for you, more importantly, how to work

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<v Speaker 2>with those trends if they're not good. If you have

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<v Speaker 2>mercury rising or mercury's in retrograde in your sign For

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, most notably me, and I'm a Virgo,

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<v Speaker 2>that means that things are sluggish. You shouldn't be signing

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<v Speaker 2>any legal documents, you shouldn't be trying to interview for

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<v Speaker 2>a new job. It's just heavy, heavy, more negative, less

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<v Speaker 2>positive energy. And so during the retrograde of mercury, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of lay low and not try not to do

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of new work or initiate begin any new

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<v Speaker 2>projects because it tends to fall into problematic areas. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the other areas. One of the other portions that

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<v Speaker 2>I like about Vedic astrology, which isn't included in western astrology,

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<v Speaker 2>is working with your karma. And this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>you'll hear about today when we incarnate, and you've heard

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<v Speaker 2>about this a lot because we talk about the Akashik records,

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about people who have passed over. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you incarnate, you are given a script as to what

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<v Speaker 2>karma you're trying to burn off through what patterns, through

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<v Speaker 2>what jobs, through what interactions. And what that basically means

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<v Speaker 2>is that in a previous life. Maybe you were rude

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<v Speaker 2>to somebody, you hurt somebody emotionally or physically. God forbid,

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<v Speaker 2>you killed somebody, and it's payback time. When you incarnate

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<v Speaker 2>in the next life, you have to deal with that karma.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't burn it and clear it, it

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<v Speaker 2>can weighth you down. And it goes from everything from

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<v Speaker 2>getting a good job to having financial resources. I've always

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<v Speaker 2>thought in my case, I've had not I have not

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<v Speaker 2>had good luck with my relationships the women I've been with.

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<v Speaker 2>I was married very young that lasted seven years. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I was in another relationship which produced a child that

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<v Speaker 2>was good for I think seven or eight years. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I've had sporadic relationships and so I and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've done everything I can to clear the the

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<v Speaker 2>the slate of karma. I've done all kinds of different processes.

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<v Speaker 2>I've programmed, intuited. I just I've done or had intuition.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, I've intended intended for relationships. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere along the line, I think, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>find out more about this because I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 2>another reading done of ATA Greeting. Then soon I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's some problems there I need to clear out. I

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<v Speaker 2>am in a hopeful new relationship, so perhaps that is

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<v Speaker 2>the one. But you know, here I am this spiritual guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I'm not doing great with my personal relationships,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't like it. I really don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>So these are things that you can work on in

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<v Speaker 2>the Vedic traditions. Now that doesn't mean you can't work

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<v Speaker 2>on them in the Western tradition, but it's not as accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things I was fascinated to learn

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<v Speaker 2>today is that Vedic astrology is much more specific in

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<v Speaker 2>the calculations. There's more to calculate, you know, and years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, the thing is, it's more a Vedic

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<v Speaker 2>astrology has more accurate calculations. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that I didn't realize now is that most of these

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<v Speaker 2>charts for people, after you give them the date you

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<v Speaker 2>were born, the time you were born, the location you

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<v Speaker 2>were born. Is the fact that they're all done with

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<v Speaker 2>very powerful software applications. So you punch in those key

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<v Speaker 2>items and you get back a general card. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>get back a general reading or a chart of a person.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's the basics. It takes a real talented astrologer

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<v Speaker 2>not only to interpret those things, but say, if you

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<v Speaker 2>see a illness coming up, or you see a problem

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<v Speaker 2>in your job, or you see financial problems, a really

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<v Speaker 2>good astrologer will say, Okay, you need to clear this,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to work with this, you need to do this, this,

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<v Speaker 2>and this to mitigate or reduce the impact of this

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<v Speaker 2>low point in your life. That is really critical data.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think you get the same with the

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<v Speaker 2>Western astrology. They can give you trends to follow and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that, but in my experience, the Vedic the

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<v Speaker 2>Hindu astrology reading is much more impactful. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>can wear certain jewels, if you can wear or do

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<v Speaker 2>certain rituals or prepared through meditation or other programs that

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<v Speaker 2>clear these problem areas, then it smooths it out. Then

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<v Speaker 2>it's not so impactful. Then you're writing a wave of

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<v Speaker 2>high and low. So today's program is Astrology Decoded, and

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<v Speaker 2>my guest is Vish Chatterjee. I have a great fascination

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<v Speaker 2>for astrology, and I always speak of the Vedic traditions

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<v Speaker 2>of astrology. Those of us in the United States follow

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<v Speaker 2>Western traditions Western astrology, and although it has some benefits

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<v Speaker 2>it's not as accurate, it is not as powerful as

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<v Speaker 2>the Vedic tradition on so many different levels. And I

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<v Speaker 2>have to mention that I had a Vedic astrological chart

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<v Speaker 2>reading probably twenty five almost thirty years ago, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was so profound. You'll hear terms like rahu and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I actually went out and bought the rings

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<v Speaker 2>to balance and move on the energies and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I am a very serious a believer and profess it.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course it's ancient. We don't know how ancient

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<v Speaker 2>it is, but it is very old. My guest today

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<v Speaker 2>has written a new book called Astrology Decoded, the Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Science of India's Stages, and his name is Vish Chatterjee.

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<v Speaker 2>He is coming to us from California, and the reason

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<v Speaker 2>we're having him on the program is not only to

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<v Speaker 2>give us the details of Vedic astrology, but he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to give us a hint as to what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with our planet, with the United States. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>can't help but ask him what's going on with the presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>So Fish, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on

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<v Speaker 2>the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Cliff, thank you for having me. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the show, and I look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>our conversation, especially since you have such a deep connection

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<v Speaker 1>to Indian tradition yourself. This is really exciting, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask the most basic question. You're in

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<v Speaker 2>the corporate world, NBA Master of Business Administration, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>shift into metic astrology and that whole ancient tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, like many good Indian families, you're told, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can either be a doctor, an engineer, or a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>So I picked an engineer. I went to mechanical engineering school,

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<v Speaker 1>got my engineering degree, and I was an engine engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>So I worked in My first job in the corporate

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<v Speaker 1>world was actually engineering engines for a company called Raush.

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<v Speaker 1>We did like high horsepower engines for Ford. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I went to business school. I wanted to get into

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<v Speaker 1>management ranks, got my MBA, went into management and as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, any of your listeners know, when once you

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<v Speaker 1>get into management, all of a sudden you have to

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<v Speaker 1>get you have to develop the soft skills, right, It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just about the hard skills. You have to learn

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with people, persuading people, negotiating, conflict resolution, all

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. And so I guess I opened

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<v Speaker 1>up a little bit of this you know, humanistic side

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<v Speaker 1>of leadership for me as an executive. And I got

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<v Speaker 1>a job at Daimler Chrysler when it was back when

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<v Speaker 1>it was owned by Mercedes, and they would send us

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<v Speaker 1>to Europe every quarter for these like really intense executive

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<v Speaker 1>training sessions that would last a week, you know, rent

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<v Speaker 1>out places in the middle of the black forest in Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>We drive all these great Mercedes cars through these winding

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<v Speaker 1>roads and then going to executive training. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>learned a lot about you know, it's the people at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, when you run a corporation,

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<v Speaker 1>when you run an organization, it's about the people and

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<v Speaker 1>how do you leverage performance out of people? And so

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<v Speaker 1>I went through this, you know, great trajectory in the

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<v Speaker 1>executive world. I ended up jumping out of automotive into tech.

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<v Speaker 1>I ran, I started divisions at technology companies and ran

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<v Speaker 1>large businesses along the way, and again it always came

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<v Speaker 1>down to this balance between the data and the hard

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<v Speaker 1>science and the people and how to get you know,

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<v Speaker 1>motivate people to work. And finally I decided to do

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<v Speaker 1>a startup. So I had a really good exit out

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<v Speaker 1>of a company that I worked for in the tech industry,

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<v Speaker 1>cashed out my shares and ran a startup. And as

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<v Speaker 1>I was building the startup, our investors came to us

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<v Speaker 1>and said, you know, Vish, you have a really difficult CEO.

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<v Speaker 1>We aren't really getting along with him, and he's not

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<v Speaker 1>very coachable. And I thought, what does coachability have to

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<v Speaker 1>do with running a business? Yeah, it's smart, he's developed

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<v Speaker 1>his brains, buying the technology, we got this great you

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<v Speaker 1>know product going, we're starting to get early revenue. What

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<v Speaker 1>does coachability have to do with it? But the investors

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<v Speaker 1>just won't have it with him. So I had to

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<v Speaker 1>go through this like miserable process of literally divorcing my

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<v Speaker 1>close friend and co founder, you know literally you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on paper with with you know, stripping of his board

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<v Speaker 1>seat and taking his shares away, restructured the company and thought, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>have to do in order to run a startup, go

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<v Speaker 1>through all these hoops, and that coachability question kept coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in my mind, and you know, need to say,

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<v Speaker 1>the startup eventually went through its pains as every startup

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<v Speaker 1>goes through, and I had people reaching out to me saying, hey, Vish,

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<v Speaker 1>I just got this promotion to VP of product at

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, hm, coaching, I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 1>what happened. So I took on my first coaching client,

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<v Speaker 1>And that was about eight years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>And as I was coaching, I thought, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>So I went to UC Berkeley's Executive Coaching Institute and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know what, it really lines up

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<v Speaker 1>and spiritual development. So I saw that this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>myself out there as I positioned as an Eastmeath West coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and then my coaching practice started really taking off because

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<v Speaker 1>finding solace in the spiritual tradition. So along that way

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<v Speaker 1>I discovered, you know, as you go deeper into yoga,

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<v Speaker 1>you start to discover all these sister sciences, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of them was Areveda. Have you you've come across Aerveda?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, So Areveda was something very new to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't quite understand. And I learned that Ayerveda was

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<v Speaker 1>for disease healing. But I found it as the as

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting angle. A personality test for an executive. So

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<v Speaker 1>tests or disprofiles, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Mbti Myers Briggs, they keep on throwing tests.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know what, I think, ir Veda

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty cool personality test because I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a vata pit that ar kaffa, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an airy, fiery or earthy. And I could give my

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<v Speaker 1>I can figure out you're kind of a fiery person,

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of an airy person, you're kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>diet and lifestyle and schedule for the day to be

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<v Speaker 1>a better leader. But Cliff, my clients were cheating on

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<v Speaker 1>the quiz. So, as you know, in the corporate world,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a Type A personality, you're a reward right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're Type A, you're go getter, you usually get promoted.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if you're not a Type A by nature,

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<v Speaker 1>you sort of self select that way. You see yourself

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<v Speaker 1>my executive clients, they kept coming back as as fiery because.

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<v Speaker 2>They were too embarrassed to consider the other different person

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like you self select psychologically.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you want to be So they were being honest,

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<v Speaker 2>they were being more philosophical. I am this type of person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm this type of person.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's almost like a I don't know if it

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<v Speaker 1>was a conscious or unconscious bias. It just seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody wanted to be a certain archetype. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because my question I had a lot of psychological type

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<v Speaker 1>of questions. And so then I was seeing that, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, what I'm seeing in front of me is

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<v Speaker 1>not lining up with what they're putting on the questionnaire.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not matching. And so something's broken. This quiz

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<v Speaker 1>is not working, This questionnaire is not working. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I went to my aveding teacher, a guy named doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Suhas who was the chief medical officer of the Child

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<v Speaker 1>Percenter at the time, very close to Deepak Chopra, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Suhas G, I keep giving my clients this

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<v Speaker 1>questionnaire and they're all cheating, they're all showing up Pitta.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know that's not the case. He said, Oh, Vish,

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<v Speaker 1>just look at their astrology birth chart and you'll get

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<v Speaker 1>the right answer. And I thought, you know, I'm trained

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<v Speaker 1>as an engineer. Yeah, and you know I'm already stretching

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<v Speaker 1>with aw your veta mind body constitutions, and I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>astrology birth chart. That sounds like whacko hocus pocus stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't believe in astrology. I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>stuff for like pop culture, Cosmo magazine kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, no, No, there's an Indian system of astrology.

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<v Speaker 1>It maps to yoga and a your veda and if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you use it, it uses correct math to

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<v Speaker 1>the sky. Just try it and see what results you get.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm an engineer and let me experiment. So a

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<v Speaker 1>few clients that I trust, but I said, give me

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<v Speaker 1>your birth time. You know I'm going to do something

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<v Speaker 1>a little strange, but I just want to experiment. Give

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<v Speaker 1>me a birth time. Says, Okay, here's my birth time.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's when I was born. I'd look up their chart

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<v Speaker 1>and I would analyze the first house of the birth chart,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a lot to do with you, your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>body constitution, and now your veda. You can use the

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<v Speaker 1>birth chart to figure out some of these kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>and I was getting an accurate read. Every single time.

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<v Speaker 1>I would ask the client, hey, I noticed this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would say this is probably a characteristic of yours,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would say, how do you know that about me? Fish,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to hide that for years. How did

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<v Speaker 1>you discover who I really am? And so I kept

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<v Speaker 1>getting this feedback loop and thinking there's something to this

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<v Speaker 1>astrology thing. If I can figure out somebody's mind body

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<v Speaker 1>constitution with the astrology chart, what else can I figure

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<v Speaker 1>out about that? And so that opened up this whole

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<v Speaker 2>Now can I ask you, do you use a software

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<v Speaker 2>application for your charts? Because I know that the Western

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<v Speaker 2>astrology the math is so insane and so time consuming

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<v Speaker 2>that you punch in some coordinates and some numbers you

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<v Speaker 2>get good material. But the Vedic system is much more

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<v Speaker 2>in depth. Can you get the same kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>package software application for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there are many software packages out there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not as much as the Western astrology because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as Veda strology is not as well known, But

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<v Speaker 1>there are several software packages that are very powerful and

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<v Speaker 1>they calculate and you can calculate charts by hand, but

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a long time. I personally haven't had fun

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<v Speaker 1>the time to do it. I will maybe one day

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<v Speaker 1>when I retired that'll be my hobby is hand calculating charts.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, I pull up a computer software and

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<v Speaker 1>within a few minutes I can pull up a chart.

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<v Speaker 1>And the biggest thing that I understood is the Vedic

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<v Speaker 1>astrology system uses actual star positions and planet positions in

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<v Speaker 1>window of the telescope, what I see in the chart

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<v Speaker 1>in the Western system is the Western astrologers chart doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually match the observable positions of the planets and stars

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky. So if you pull up a Western

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<v Speaker 1>first thing as an engineer, you know, as a business executive,

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of looking for logic. The Vedic system to me,

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<v Speaker 1>logically matches the sky the Western doesn't. And maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>explains some of the you know, hocus pocus reputation that

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<v Speaker 2>Why why does astrology get such a bad rap? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it because it's too wishy washi and the interpretations have

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<v Speaker 1>I think. So, I mean, if I pull up a

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<v Speaker 1>I can almost map anything that they're saying in any

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<v Speaker 1>of their month they're born, and then they sort of

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<v Speaker 1>on the quiz. You sort of like, well, that's my sign,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I'm going to be like that. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the truth of their soul. It's just sort of this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ego driven kind of a exercise. So in

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<v Speaker 1>Vedic astrology, we map it to the sky and when

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<v Speaker 1>you get the actual positions, you start to discover what

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<v Speaker 1>your soul is really trying to do. So you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get to a ground truth. So Western astrology feels

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<v Speaker 1>disconnected from the sky, disconnected from your soul, So it

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<v Speaker 1>good underlying math. Now somewhat most Western astrologers are very intuitive.

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<v Speaker 1>They almost have a psychic ability, so they use the

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<v Speaker 1>and then they say some pretty accurate things if you

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<v Speaker 1>about the Vadic astrology system is you don't really need

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<v Speaker 1>the intuition. You can just look at the positions and

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<v Speaker 1>they actually map very accurately. So when I started doing

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<v Speaker 1>just say, okay, I see this planet Mars. It's this

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<v Speaker 1>When you're born, do you have some kind of leadership

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm a manager of blah blah blah blah. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you very aggressive? You tend to upset employee?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very aggressive my employees. I make them very upset

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<v Speaker 1>calm that down. Okay, So it's matching, no intuition required. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive with you because of this particular planet placement. And

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<v Speaker 1>then people will be like, wow, how do you know

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<v Speaker 1>that about me. So I think the Western astrology is

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<v Speaker 1>much more intuitive based. The Vedic strology has a natural

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<v Speaker 1>logical component and when you layer on the intuition, then

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes extremely insightful and powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>You say your book that Vedic astrology has more accurate calculations.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the idea that it's accurate to sky. It's

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<v Speaker 1>accurate to the sky. So what happened? And again, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a historical version of events. I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what, you know, what the history was. But there

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<v Speaker 1>was a time when Western astrology in Vedic astrology coincided

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<v Speaker 1>in their view of the sky. And it's around two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred AD. So I'm assuming that maybe around two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>eight is when the Western system leveraged off the Vedic system,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Vedic system has to be ten to fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years old at least that was the time of

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<v Speaker 1>the rishis that was a time of fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Thousand years old. Thank That's what I believe, thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>because the typical, the average thought is it's five thousand

436
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<v Speaker 2>years old. That came through and there were some notations

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<v Speaker 2>that's found in various ancient temples in Egypt. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if where it would be found in India is

439
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<v Speaker 2>probably all over the place and the temples there, but

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<v Speaker 2>ten to fifteen thousand years that feels more of a

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<v Speaker 2>likely number.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe fifteen thousand years ago there was a

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<v Speaker 1>civilization in the Indus River Valley, the Indus River Valley civilization.

444
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<v Speaker 1>It's the foothills of the western Himalayas kind of Afghanistan, Pakistan,

445
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<v Speaker 1>India where they meet. And these were very enlightened, highly aware,

446
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<v Speaker 1>it tuned people that you could call them the original

447
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<v Speaker 1>Yogis or the Rishi's, the rishis, or the seers, the sages,

448
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<v Speaker 1>and they sat in deep states of meditation for hours

449
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<v Speaker 1>on end, days and years on end, and generations on end.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe in these heightened states of meditation they

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<v Speaker 1>accessed some kind of consciousness. And it is said in

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<v Speaker 1>the Indian tradition that this is all a heard and

453
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<v Speaker 1>remembered tradition. So nobody came up with it. It was

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<v Speaker 1>heard and intuited and then developed. And so these heightened

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<v Speaker 1>states awareness, they heard and understand They understood the nature

456
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<v Speaker 1>of our universe and then started to codify it in

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<v Speaker 1>a series of poems in an art form of poetry,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would then communicate this in an oral tradition

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<v Speaker 1>to each other and from generation to generation.

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<v Speaker 2>So these are human beings that have a heightened consciousness

461
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<v Speaker 2>number one, but also their development there they might be

462
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<v Speaker 2>they might look like this, but there are a whole

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<v Speaker 2>different race of beings, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like it. Yeah, their intuitive functioning was a

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<v Speaker 1>level that we don't understand today. And I think you

466
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<v Speaker 1>know today we have some people that are psychic and

467
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<v Speaker 1>ability or mediums, and they have little bits and pieces

468
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<v Speaker 1>of those abilities. But these people had like the rounded

469
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<v Speaker 1>full ability and they developed these systems, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>started transmitting an oral tradition, let's say, from fifteen thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years ago to maybe about five thousand years ago, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's say it's a ten thousand year oral tradition. And

473
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<v Speaker 1>then at some point somebody said, let's write it down,

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<v Speaker 1>and so then five thousand years ago they started to

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<v Speaker 1>write these things down the first some of the earliest

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<v Speaker 1>writings known to humankind, and this became known as the Vedas.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Vaders were finally written about five thousand years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>So be incorrect to say that this tradition started five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago, because just because it was written doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean it exists prior.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short break to allow our

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<v Speaker 2>sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly with

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<v Speaker 2>my guest today, Vish Terry, discussing his newest book, Astrology Decoded,

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<v Speaker 2>will be right back.

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<v Speaker 3>Whis person my what you're gonna do? So take a

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<v Speaker 3>care chick pleas you know what they say, You have

487
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<v Speaker 3>the careful and become love the wise. You should be

488
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<v Speaker 3>ready to stumble. You know what they say, it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fishery is my guest today. He has written a new

490
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<v Speaker 2>book called Astrology Decoded, The intricacy of Vedic astrology, how

491
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<v Speaker 2>it pulls apart the influence of other planets on us,

492
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<v Speaker 2>and how to bypass that and get to the best

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<v Speaker 2>part of your life. Anyone talks like you, Vish, I'm

494
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<v Speaker 2>sorry because I talk to people who are astrologers and

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<v Speaker 2>they believe that five thousand years is the initial starting point.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're you made a very good point. Five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years ago is when it was started. When they started

498
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<v Speaker 2>writing it down so they could transfer in volumes or

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<v Speaker 2>books or whatever to people as a teaching tool. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>get the less evolved as human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, Cliff, I think that's a really good point.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that over time the overall consciousness and awareness

503
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<v Speaker 1>and enlightenment of the human beings was lessening, and they

504
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<v Speaker 1>realized if they didn't codify it in writing, it would

505
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<v Speaker 1>be lost. Because people have that ability, because you know,

506
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<v Speaker 1>when you tell a story or poetry in the Indian tradition,

507
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<v Speaker 1>the story is like a foundation for insights, and the

508
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<v Speaker 1>insights are not spoken, they're transmitted nonverbally around the story.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of the teachings of the Vata system

510
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<v Speaker 1>are done in story form, and the real knowledge is

511
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<v Speaker 1>what's beyond the story, not in the words the story itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when we say the word mythology is not

513
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<v Speaker 1>the right word means it's fake. It's actually a vehicle

514
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<v Speaker 1>of transmission of knowledge. That's what a mythological story is.

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<v Speaker 1>And so they wrote all this in poetry and story

516
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<v Speaker 1>form in the Vedas, and so Leada's usually are hymns,

517
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<v Speaker 1>and these beautiful hymns that are composed that you know

518
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<v Speaker 1>when you hear the recitation of them, knowledge is being transferred.

519
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<v Speaker 1>And so then the Vedic astrologies is some of the

520
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<v Speaker 1>oldest texts and the Vedic astrology system end up being

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<v Speaker 1>about five thousand years old, six thousand years old, and

522
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<v Speaker 1>certain stages said, let me take the knowledge and try

523
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<v Speaker 1>to codify it. But then along the way, a lot

524
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<v Speaker 1>of these things got lost, like texts got lost, things

525
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<v Speaker 1>got you know, India was conquered by the Mughal Empire,

526
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<v Speaker 1>then the British Empire. Along the way, a lot of

527
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<v Speaker 1>the works were desecrated, the temples were desecrated, things were

528
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<v Speaker 1>just lost along the way. And then over time we've

529
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<v Speaker 1>all become less and less conscious, so we can't handle it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I read one line of the text and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like completely confused, whereas a person from fifteen thousand years

532
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<v Speaker 1>ago they would hear that one line of text and

533
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<v Speaker 1>have profound insights into our human nature from it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this because we talk about the Yugas quite regularly,

535
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<v Speaker 2>and the treata Yoga is the highest point where the

536
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<v Speaker 2>humans that are out there, what we know of them,

537
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 2>could manifest with their thoughts. They could each the highest levels.

538
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<v Speaker 2>They could communicate other in other parts of the planet,

539
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<v Speaker 2>if not off planet, and it's a vibrational system, a

540
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<v Speaker 2>vibrational community, in its purest form. And this is what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, this early development is. I want you to

542
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<v Speaker 2>talk if you can't, briefly about the system of yoga.

543
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<v Speaker 2>It's the vibration of these planets on the day you

544
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<v Speaker 2>were born. In other words, that's what yoga is, is

545
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<v Speaker 2>the vibrational patterns of these planets which are dominant in

546
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<v Speaker 2>your in your sign. Talk briefly about the most rudimentary

547
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<v Speaker 2>vibrational patterns that we absorb as a physical being and

548
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<v Speaker 2>what that is, how that's imprinted, and how you, as

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<v Speaker 2>an astrologer decode that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so use the word yoga system, and you know,

551
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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the vata castrology system that is connected.

552
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<v Speaker 1>But they're all connected, right, And that's one of the

553
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<v Speaker 1>things is this ancient tradition has the science of yoga,

554
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<v Speaker 1>the science of music, the science of warfare, the science

555
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<v Speaker 1>of buildings, the building in space, the science of mind,

556
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.039
<v Speaker 1>body medicine, the science of philosophy. Like they're all integrated.

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<v Speaker 1>So Veda astrology is part of a larger context of

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<v Speaker 1>an integrated full system of consciousness and human development, whereas

559
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<v Speaker 1>the Western strategy is sort of divorced from it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of like orphaned thing. It feels like that

561
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<v Speaker 1>came in at one time, matched and then sort of

562
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:33.519
<v Speaker 1>drifted into its own sort of you know, inaccurate to

563
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<v Speaker 1>the sky system. So then what is it about these planets? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>at a simple level, we can say, oh, yeah, there's

565
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<v Speaker 1>these ray beams and they're affecting us, and oh, Mars

566
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<v Speaker 1>is angry and it shines on us and it makes

567
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<v Speaker 1>us angry. That's a simplistic way, and that's okay for

568
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<v Speaker 1>some people. That's a decent level. Consciously say yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>these planets influencing me, or when I was born there's

570
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<v Speaker 1>planetary rays and they affected me and changed. Yeah, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one level. The deeper level is in the yoga system,

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<v Speaker 1>we understand that we are not just a bundle of muscles,

573
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<v Speaker 1>bones and joints walking around, right, We're not just flesh

574
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<v Speaker 1>and bones. There's something that animates us. There's another layer

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<v Speaker 1>of our being. And so we say there's a body,

576
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.119
<v Speaker 1>a mind, and a soul, three layers of being, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's common in Western nomenclature today. So our physical layer

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<v Speaker 1>is our body, muscles and joints. Our subtle layer is

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<v Speaker 1>our energetic, pronic body, a pronic layer or chi energy

580
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<v Speaker 1>in the Chinese tradition. And then there's a layer beyond

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<v Speaker 1>that is the soul layer, the causal layer known in

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<v Speaker 1>Sanskrit as the Karna Shuriar, which is the where all

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<v Speaker 1>our karma resides, the deeper, deeper soul. And then there's

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<v Speaker 1>a part of our soul that is beyond everything, they

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<v Speaker 1>call the paramount mon. It's beyond it's connected universe. So

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<v Speaker 1>when a person like Deepak Chopra says you are the universe,

587
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<v Speaker 1>he's saying that what is out there is in here.

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<v Speaker 1>What is in here is reflected out there. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>symbiotic connection between you and the universe. The same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The planets seem like a bundle of rock and gas

591
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<v Speaker 1>floating around space. At a physical layer, it's like we're

592
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<v Speaker 1>just a bundle of muscles, bones and joints. But there's

593
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<v Speaker 1>an animated layer as well to the planets. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>subtle layer and a causal layer as well. At the

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<v Speaker 1>causal soul layer, the planets and us are connected. We're

596
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<v Speaker 1>a reflection of the planets. They're all within us. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's very hard for humans to comprehend. So in a

598
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<v Speaker 1>simple way, we just say they're archetypes. Mars is the

599
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<v Speaker 1>archetype of fire and warrior and commanding. Mercury's archetype of

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<v Speaker 1>expression and communication. Venus is the archetype of love and

601
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<v Speaker 1>happiness and comfort. And all of those archetypes exist within us.

602
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<v Speaker 1>And when we activate that archetype, we can think of

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<v Speaker 1>that planet and it will help architect it'll help activate

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<v Speaker 1>that archetype within us. So what happens when we're born.

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<v Speaker 1>The moment we're born, our soul basically says I'm going

606
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<v Speaker 1>to take on a particular incarnation in order to learn

607
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<v Speaker 1>whatever lessons I need in this particular soul period of

608
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<v Speaker 1>my time.

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<v Speaker 2>So before you incarnated, you had a script that was prepared,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you soul came into the body, and at

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<v Speaker 2>that time all these constellations were aligned and known about

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<v Speaker 2>when you were born.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So one way to think about it is the

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<v Speaker 1>soul is so deeply intelligent and aware. It knows the

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<v Speaker 1>exact circumstance of birth to be born into in order

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<v Speaker 1>to live the lessons it needs to live. The right family,

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<v Speaker 1>the right circumstances, the right everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>However, because the soul is so intelligent, it's reflected in

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<v Speaker 1>the heavens. So here we are mere mortals who don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know our souls very well. We're not soul connected.

622
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<v Speaker 1>The ancients were soul connected. We're sort of soul disconnected.

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<v Speaker 1>So we use our little brains to say, Okay, let

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<v Speaker 1>me see what the heavens were at the moment that

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<v Speaker 1>this incarnated, at the moment that Cliff took his first breath.

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<v Speaker 1>If I can figure out the map of the stars

627
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<v Speaker 1>and figure out what star was where, what planet was where,

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<v Speaker 1>I can try and figure out what is Cliff's soul

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<v Speaker 1>really thinking and help his brain understand what his soul's

630
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<v Speaker 1>intentions are. I love it. And the more you align

631
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.800
<v Speaker 1>your mind and your emotions and your mental craziness with

632
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 1>the soul, the more happiness you have in life.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is the point I want. This is very

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<v Speaker 2>important what you're saying here. When you can follow your

635
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>chart as closely as possible, you're actually doing your soul's

636
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>wishes or what the soul had hoped for as this incarnation.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But our minds are so powerful we literally fight

638
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.360
<v Speaker 1>our souls every step of the way and go a

639
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.679
<v Speaker 1>different direction. That's what happened, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Vedic medicine tradition, we know that when you

642
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.039
<v Speaker 1>are misaligned to your soul, when you move away from

643
00:37:56.079 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 1>your soul's natural intention, you start to have disease of

644
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the mind. And most of us have some kind of

645
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 1>disease of the mind, especially today on election Day, we

646
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:11.480
<v Speaker 1>have some disease of the mind. And then if the

647
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:15.679
<v Speaker 1>mind disease continues, it starts to manifest as physical disease,

648
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.079
<v Speaker 1>disease the body. And so usually, like if you go

649
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.239
<v Speaker 1>to an irvating doctor, they're going to try to understand

650
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>where have you deviated from your soul's intention and try

651
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>to reconnect you to that alignment. And so what I'm

652
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.039
<v Speaker 1>doing is an astrologer saying, if I look at the

653
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 1>planets and stars in their alignment the moment of your birth,

654
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I can try to figure out what was your soul's

655
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 1>syllabus this time around, and how well you're tracking that syllabus,

656
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 1>and can we do anything to get you back on

657
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>track with your syllabus. If you're way off track, then

658
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have a lot of disease. And it's again

659
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:51.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to use the mind to help sort things out,

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00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>because the mind is our most powerful tool. The mind

661
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>is what determines what actions we take, how we use

662
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>our body.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny you mentioned that because the last she

664
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:04.400
<v Speaker 2>was a woman who did my veadic chart. She was

665
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 2>very much into nutrition and following a certain path based

666
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:16.199
<v Speaker 2>on this incarnation, and her recommendations were so important. I

667
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 2>was dealing with some kind of guitar. I think it

668
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 2>was too much bread, too much gluten at the time,

669
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 2>and her recommendations actually changed my body, which was fantastic.

670
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<v Speaker 2>So you're making a very important point here is that

671
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you're you're saying, I see this in this body of yours,

672
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 2>and if you perhaps follow closer to the true intent

673
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 2>of this incarnation, you will have a better life.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Like, And you know I was a master at

675
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:52.400
<v Speaker 1>avoiding the soul's destiny, right that was my whole life,

676
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>corporate career. So if you look at my if somebody

677
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>looks at my chart as oh, you're a very good

678
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.199
<v Speaker 1>spiritual teacher. You have a natural incarnation inclination to teach

679
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>spiritual subjects. What did I think? I was like, No,

680
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be a CEO. I'm going to be

681
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the boss. I want to be the top CEO and

682
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.079
<v Speaker 1>a big company. I'm going to keep working at it.

683
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:10.079
<v Speaker 1>And so I pushed and pushed and almost like I remember,

684
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>it was just like this ability of willpower and mind

685
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 1>over soul to push myself a direction that to me

686
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>was what I what I thought was the right path.

687
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<v Speaker 1>And eventually, you know, karmak forces become so powerful in

688
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 1>a way, they sort of recorrect and then you kind

689
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:29.079
<v Speaker 1>of fall down. When you pick up, you're like, oh,

690
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.519
<v Speaker 1>that's what I was supposed to do. And so now

691
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:33.519
<v Speaker 1>here I am as I aligned to this kind of

692
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 1>deeper soul nature. Things have completely changed, right overall and.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, and it's fun to hear that. You know,

694
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 2>you're wanting to be in a corporate world, but you're not.

695
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:50.320
<v Speaker 2>You're just your natural inclination is not to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk briefly about karma. How does karma influence us

697
00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:02.440
<v Speaker 2>and when we incarnate, how does that impact our life?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so karma is a huge topic. But the word

699
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of karma is the word gutter gut in Hindi and

700
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 1>in sanscrit means to do. So karma at the end

701
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of they just action. Action that you take, an action

702
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 1>that you take that is aligned with the soul is

703
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:21.559
<v Speaker 1>good karma. Action that you take this misaligned with the

704
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 1>soul is you could say bad karma. Right, that's the

705
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:29.840
<v Speaker 1>basic tenet, but it's it's almost like this very sophisticated

706
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>accounting system. I don't know if you ever watched that

707
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 1>show The Good Place with Ted Danson. It's like Kristen

708
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 1>bell is in it. She dies and then she ends

709
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.320
<v Speaker 1>up in Ted Danson's office and he's like the guy,

710
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:44.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, the god or whatever whatever his role is.

711
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.280
<v Speaker 1>And then he pulls up her balance sheet and it's

712
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>like all these green things of good things. She did,

713
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 1>help this lady cross the road and did something, and

714
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:54.360
<v Speaker 1>then all these red things cut somebody offs were at,

715
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody is balancing, and then based on that you determine

716
00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:58.960
<v Speaker 1>where you go next. And she gets sent off to

717
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.639
<v Speaker 1>the Good Place, right. And so that whole concept is

718
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 1>very integral in the vating system, is that there is

719
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 1>a celestial accountant who has no judgment, Like just like

720
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.400
<v Speaker 1>your accountant, there's no judging. There's like there's debits and

721
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 1>there's credits, and that's it. The most of the religious

722
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 1>traditions have some kind of judgment, Oh you did something bad,

723
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>you did something good. This is more like you did

724
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.119
<v Speaker 1>some bad stuff. Okay, here's a balance sheet, do some

725
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 1>good stuff. Here's a balance sheet, and let's add up

726
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and tally up your balance sheet. And so whenever you

727
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.599
<v Speaker 1>do something good or bad, that balance has to get

728
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 1>rectified and paid off. So if in some past life

729
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>you injured somebody, Let's say you took a baseball bat

730
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and you whacked somebody in the arm and you broke

731
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>their arm, you have to pay back for that action. Right,

732
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe not that lifetime. Maybe that lifetime you keep on

733
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>taking baseball bats and hate people in the arm and

734
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 1>nothing happens to you. But the next lifetime you may

735
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>have to face some issue with your arm.

736
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:04.079
<v Speaker 2>The accountant, who's the accountant. Who's is it the soul

737
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 2>or is it an overseer? There's an over that's like, okay,

738
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I am the I am the karma overseer, and I

739
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 2>watch billions of people every second of the day.

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00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this this is the kind of a corporate hierarchy.

741
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 2>So there is.

742
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>An organization. There's a data named Chitra. Who is the countant.

743
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Here's the countant. He has your balance sheets.

744
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 2>An actual there's an actual being.

745
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:38.599
<v Speaker 1>That's his the mythological the being and he his kind

746
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 1>of counterpart. The the other department is Lord Yama, who's

747
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.599
<v Speaker 1>the god of death who when your time's up, he

748
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:46.599
<v Speaker 1>comes and takes you away and you can't really negotiate

749
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.559
<v Speaker 1>with him. The time's up, he comes and he takes

750
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>you into the other worlds and he sends you like

751
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>so Lord Lord Yama comes and takes you. Then ship

752
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 1>there gup that meets you and says, okay, based on

753
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:56.760
<v Speaker 1>everything you've done, here's a balance sheet. Here's where you

754
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>go next. And you get sent off to the department

755
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and they both departments report to Lord Saturn. Saturn, the

756
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:07.320
<v Speaker 1>planet Saturn, Lord Shaani Wow, and so he is the

757
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 1>big boss. And Shani has this ability to walk with

758
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you throughout your life and help rectify the balance sheet.

759
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>So in India people are terrified of Saturn. They're like, oh,

760
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.840
<v Speaker 1>my god, Saturday, He's gonna give me bad karma. But

761
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 1>that's not what he's doing. He's just saying, look, I'm

762
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.320
<v Speaker 1>helping you in life to improve your balance sheet, because

763
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.280
<v Speaker 1>when you get to my guy Chitra Gupta, I want

764
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:32.039
<v Speaker 1>to improve your balance sheet. So Saturn gives you some

765
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.800
<v Speaker 1>hardship in life to try to purify and pay off

766
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>those debts. So if you had whacked a bunch of

767
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.039
<v Speaker 1>people with baseball bats in your past life, this life,

768
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get hit a bunch of times, and Saturn

769
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>is responsible for that, and the astrologer can see that, oh,

770
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you have some challenge maybe in your arm to have

771
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.679
<v Speaker 1>an injury around this time. Because the debt has come due.

772
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Now you can say, well, I'm really sorry for hurting

773
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 1>all those people, but sorry is not good enough here

774
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 1>because the action is done. So you have to now

775
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.440
<v Speaker 1>do something to alleviate that. So you can say, you

776
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.519
<v Speaker 1>know what, I'm going to go donate to an organization

777
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>that helps people who've been had arm injuries, right, or

778
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go and you know, support a cause

779
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 1>that deals with anger management. Or you know, sometimes I say,

780
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 1>when people have a difficult mars, I'm going to go

781
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 1>support a veteran's cause and help soldiers have been injured

782
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.760
<v Speaker 1>in war. And by doing that, you're sort of paying

783
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 1>back the debt in a nicer way, in a way

784
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 1>that's to you.

785
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love this because this is more credibility for

786
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the astrological reading that people have. You don't just have

787
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>one in one lifetime. You have them throughout different patterns,

788
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 2>different parts of your life to see if you're removing

789
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 2>that karma, but not only that, if you're living your

790
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 2>best life. And I don't see that happening with Western astrology.

791
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:57.679
<v Speaker 2>They don't address the details that Vedic astrology addresses, do.

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00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 1>They And there's no like meal system. Like. The thing

793
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:03.800
<v Speaker 1>about the Vedic astrology is there's a whole system of

794
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 1>remedies that helps you deal with the karma. Right, you

795
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 1>can do activities that help lessen that and you can say, hey, Saturn,

796
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm really sorry for it last time around. Please make

797
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 1>it easy. And so you have a deity to pray to,

798
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.679
<v Speaker 1>like Saturn exists Saturn. There are month thrust for Saturn,

799
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:25.119
<v Speaker 1>their remedies, Saturn's day is Saturn Day. You can do

800
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 1>month rest to Saturn on a Saturday. You do service

801
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and volunteering on a Saturday, and Saturday says you know what,

802
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I think you're paying off the karma. I'm going to

803
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:36.960
<v Speaker 1>lessen that. And now instead of a you know, like

804
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 1>a major pain in your arm, you're gonna get a

805
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>little scratch and you know, the dick gets paid off

806
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 1>that way. So you find a way to manage it.

807
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.960
<v Speaker 1>So I almost find myself as a karmic manager trying

808
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 1>to say, Okay, what did you do? What's that you know?

809
00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I use the example in the book of you go

810
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 1>to a restaurant, you eat a nice meal, and people

811
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 1>don't think about it. When you eat a nice meal,

812
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 1>how many people are involved in making that meal happen?

813
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Supplis There's people who had to grow the food. There's

814
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:06.360
<v Speaker 1>people had to prepare, the dishwashers, the cooks, the waitstat

815
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>all of that. And you finish this delicious meal and

816
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:12.880
<v Speaker 1>you walk out of the restaurant without pain. You owe someone, right,

817
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.000
<v Speaker 1>you owe? There's a debt. Now how are you going

818
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to pay that debt off? Now you had the option

819
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of credit card or check or cash, but instead you

820
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.079
<v Speaker 1>walked out. So now the option is you might go

821
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:24.039
<v Speaker 1>to jail, you might get a police knocking on your door,

822
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.760
<v Speaker 1>you might end up having to wash dishes more unpleasant

823
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.519
<v Speaker 1>ways than the check, cash or money order. That would

824
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 1>be an easier way to pay off that karma. So

825
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:36.239
<v Speaker 1>just thinking. So part of what I want to do

826
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.119
<v Speaker 1>with the book is also say you don't need an astrologer.

827
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.800
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to look at astrology chart. Just think, like,

828
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<v Speaker 1>what is the right thing to do? Think about life

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<v Speaker 1>in a from a karmic viewpoint. I am I helping

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<v Speaker 1>my soul evolve to a nice balanced zero debt situation?

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<v Speaker 1>Or am I creating more and more debt with all

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<v Speaker 1>of my actions?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You refer to balance using three different systems a evetic

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<v Speaker 2>ah Yo tish tishi and then yoga. Talk about integrating

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<v Speaker 2>all three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that's what I look at is the you

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<v Speaker 1>could almost think of a stool with three legs. Joe

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<v Speaker 1>dish which is Joe Diish means the science of light,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the science of Veda astrology beta astrology and

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<v Speaker 1>in SATs prison as Joe Dish. Then there's yoga, which

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<v Speaker 1>is another leg of the stool, which is the system

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, a way of living and disciplined living

845
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<v Speaker 1>and you know, energetic practices to prepare the body to

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<v Speaker 1>access higher realms of consciousness. And then there's the ir

847
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<v Speaker 1>Veda system, which is the mind body medicine system, which is,

848
00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, what is the right food and diet and

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle to support your unique soul constitution. And so when

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<v Speaker 1>you combine the three, it becomes a very powerful way

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<v Speaker 1>of living. And so my first book, The Business Casual

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<v Speaker 1>Yoga that The Business Casual was a book about yoga

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<v Speaker 1>and ayr Veda, and now The Astrology Code is a

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<v Speaker 1>book on astrology. And these three systems together across the

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<v Speaker 1>two books really help you live a much more aligned

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<v Speaker 1>and conscious life.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take another commercial break to allow our

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<v Speaker 2>sponsors to identify themselves and we'll return shortly with my

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<v Speaker 2>guest today, Vish Chatterjee discussing his latest book, Astrology Decoded.

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<v Speaker 1>M The Mood.

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<v Speaker 2>Astrologer VIC Strategy is my guest today. He is an

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<v Speaker 2>expert on vedick otherwise known as Hindu astrology, and he's

863
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<v Speaker 2>explaining to us the details the information that has provided

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<v Speaker 2>when you get a chart done in this system of astrology.

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<v Speaker 2>So your goal in this new book, Astrology Decoded is

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<v Speaker 2>to give people pathways what to heal, but also to

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<v Speaker 2>have a better life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to heal and have more consciousness. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 1>noticed how much conversation is taking place today about astrology.

870
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<v Speaker 1>People seem to be obsessed with it. Why are so

871
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<v Speaker 1>many young people, especially millennials and Gen Z they're obsessed

872
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<v Speaker 1>with astrology? Why? Because they want to learn about themselves.

873
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<v Speaker 1>They want to know themselves better, and the most easy

874
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<v Speaker 1>way to access strology right now is Western astrology. Right,

875
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.719
<v Speaker 1>That's what's in the zeitgeist. That's what's in Cosmo magazine,

876
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<v Speaker 1>or talked about in podcasts or in the newspaper or

877
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.199
<v Speaker 1>in all sorts of conversations. Right say, oh, what's your sign?

878
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hear hr executives saying, oh, that's so

879
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and so's a virgo, so and so's Leo. And I'm like,

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00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.320
<v Speaker 1>they're talking about because they want to learn about themselves.

881
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<v Speaker 1>But if I said, hey, there's a more sophisticated system,

882
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<v Speaker 1>the original system of astrology, it's Vadic astrology. Go learn

883
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 1>about that, there's nowhere to turn until this book. It's

884
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<v Speaker 1>too complicated. If I give you an average astrology book,

885
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<v Speaker 1>the Vedic astrology, you're going to be confused. By chapter two.

886
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<v Speaker 1>You'll be like, I don't get this.

887
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<v Speaker 2>I don't it's all over the place.

888
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's too confusing. So my goal was to write

889
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<v Speaker 1>a book that is like the on wrap, the basic

890
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 1>basic understanding that hey, hey everyone, there is another system

891
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<v Speaker 1>out there. It is much more elegant, sophisticated, and beautiful.

892
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 1>It is much more related, and you can take a

893
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<v Speaker 1>bit of a DIY approach to it. You know, I

894
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<v Speaker 1>was an engineer, I'm a DIY. I'm like, what can

895
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<v Speaker 1>I do myself? What can I do without having to

896
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<v Speaker 1>pay for an astrologer, without having to go and learn

897
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:14.360
<v Speaker 1>this system? What can I do to just understand my

898
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<v Speaker 1>life better and how these planets are interacting me on

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<v Speaker 1>a daily basis. So as you read through Astrology Decoded,

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<v Speaker 1>you learn, Oh, Venus is this planet of beauty and

901
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:28.800
<v Speaker 1>love and prosperity. Oh, I'm having difficulty with love in

902
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 1>my life. There must be something going on with Venus

903
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<v Speaker 1>in my life. How do I deal with Venus? Oh?

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00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I can do some more, you know, uh, painting and

905
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 1>art and music which honors Venus and therefore improve that

906
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.400
<v Speaker 1>energy of Venus and improve the love in my life.

907
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<v Speaker 1>So the idea is to look at everyday activities that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do that attenuate or accentuate those energies and

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<v Speaker 1>improve that area of your life without having to rely on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being beholden to some astrologer telling you what

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<v Speaker 1>you should and should do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. Chapter nine is and I like this. I

913
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.480
<v Speaker 2>want you to talk a little bit about this finding

914
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<v Speaker 2>karmic balance through remedies and rituals. I love that title

915
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<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about remedies and rituals because I

916
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<v Speaker 2>don't think people do enough rituals to begin with. How

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<v Speaker 2>does a ritual help you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>So the Vedic people, these fifteen thousand and ten thousand

919
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<v Speaker 1>year ago culture, they had these cities like the Mayanjaro

920
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<v Speaker 1>and Harapa. They had these sort of communities that they

921
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<v Speaker 1>lived in that were excavated in recent times. And when

922
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<v Speaker 1>they did the excavations, they found that every home had

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<v Speaker 1>these fire pits. Every householder performed these very elaborate fire

924
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<v Speaker 1>rituals and made worship to the deities through fire. And

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<v Speaker 1>these fire rituals have continued for generations even today. In

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<v Speaker 1>my own home, every Sunday, I practiced this ancient fifteen

927
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<v Speaker 1>thousand year old fire ritual and chant the same manthras

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<v Speaker 1>that my ancestors. And what I've understood is the Vedic

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<v Speaker 1>people relied on ritual to shift energies. They did very

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<v Speaker 1>specific rituals to shift energies and have this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>access to deeper consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>Describe that a little bit of is when you say

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<v Speaker 2>changing energy, are they changing it? Through the voice or

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<v Speaker 2>they changing it through intention to change it. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a combination, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Voice, intention, devotion, activation, fire, water, earth, air elements, space

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<v Speaker 1>elements being honored like a combination of things. And so

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<v Speaker 1>that was sort of a known that if you did

939
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<v Speaker 1>certain rituals you could shift karma. You can literally shift

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<v Speaker 1>karma through ritual. That's how they stood it. And then

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00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the religious tradition that then descended from

942
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<v Speaker 1>the Vatic tradition, ritual is everything, and every religion out

943
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 1>there there's ritual involved, right, and in Hinduism, which comes

944
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.440
<v Speaker 1>directly from the Vedic system, there's a ritual. When you're born,

945
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<v Speaker 1>there's a ritual. When you're name, there's a ritual. When

946
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<v Speaker 1>you first eat your rice, there's a ritual when anything.

947
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<v Speaker 1>You get married, there's a ritual. You die, there's a ritual.

948
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<v Speaker 1>But in today's world, we sort of lost track of ritual.

949
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<v Speaker 1>We don't do rituals anymore. But then we come back

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<v Speaker 1>to the corporate world and you realize that all these

951
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<v Speaker 1>high powered executives they have some ritual they do and

952
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<v Speaker 1>it might be the ritual as I get up in

953
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<v Speaker 1>the morning and I go for a run or I

954
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<v Speaker 1>get up in a journal in the morning, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of daily activity that's done to make some shift

956
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<v Speaker 1>in their day. So I start to see the successful

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<v Speaker 1>corporate people all have some kind of rituals. Successful leaders

958
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<v Speaker 1>all kind of have some kind of morning ritual. And

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<v Speaker 1>in the yoga system, yoga is all about your morning

960
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 1>routine and your morning ritual, and how your vada mind

961
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.079
<v Speaker 1>body system is all about your daily morning routine as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And beta astrology also sees when you do daily rituals

963
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<v Speaker 1>they shift things. So I start to thinking, what are

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<v Speaker 1>rituals like? What is a ritual? It's something that you

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<v Speaker 1>do every day with intention, with devotion to activate certain

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00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.039
<v Speaker 1>energies and go from very mundane ritual like a morning

967
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:06.159
<v Speaker 1>walk to more elaborate things like chanting certain manthras to

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<v Speaker 1>certain planets and deities to affect a certain change. And

969
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<v Speaker 1>so then I start experimenting. Right, somebody says, oh, I

970
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<v Speaker 1>have a problem. I'm having this challenge in life, and

971
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I can see what that karma is, and I give

972
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 1>them a ritual to work with that planet. And every

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<v Speaker 1>morning they light a candle, they chant a certain month

974
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<v Speaker 1>thra to that planet. They bring that an aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>that an archetype of that planet to mind. They offer

976
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:33.480
<v Speaker 1>some water, maybe some food or fruits. They do it

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<v Speaker 1>with intention devotion. After a few weeks and months of

978
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:38.760
<v Speaker 1>that ritual, things shift in their life.

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<v Speaker 2>But in your practice, fish, do you you're seeing somebody's chart,

980
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:48.119
<v Speaker 2>do you recommend a ritual as a way to dispel

981
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<v Speaker 2>problems or for enhancement or for everything? I do?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be very specific, right, so I'll say, Okay, what

983
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:57.639
<v Speaker 1>is the challenge you're having. I'll try to root cause

984
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:00.599
<v Speaker 1>it to a particular planet, and once I root causes

985
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>to that planet, I'll give a ritual for that planet

986
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:05.119
<v Speaker 1>that works for their tradition. Because you know, somebody might

987
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:07.679
<v Speaker 1>be a Catholic, somebody might be a Muslim, somebody might

988
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 1>be atheist. I mean, it might be agnostic. It has

989
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.039
<v Speaker 1>to be something that works with their belief system, right,

990
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>because if the intention isn't there, it's not going to work.

991
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:17.559
<v Speaker 1>Of course, somebody's Indian and they're Hindu, then it's easy

992
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:20.400
<v Speaker 1>to say, okay, you go to Shani Saturn and they

993
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:22.639
<v Speaker 1>know what that means, right. But a lot of the

994
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>people in the yoga tradition already open. So you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having lost obstacles in life, and then you give

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<v Speaker 1>them some Ganesh ritual. Ganesh is the archetype of the

997
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:36.039
<v Speaker 1>remover obstacles. And I start to see these results, right

998
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.159
<v Speaker 1>because I'm the engineer looking like is this going to work?

999
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm giving this ritual. I'm not sure. And then three

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00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:43.119
<v Speaker 1>months later they're like, oh my god, this thing really

1001
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:43.800
<v Speaker 1>cleared up for me.

1002
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:47.039
<v Speaker 2>I thought, wow, that that is so amazing. That's like

1003
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:52.320
<v Speaker 2>pure energetics in motion. I love to hear those things.

1004
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:56.840
<v Speaker 1>The books Surprised every day. I'm surprised every day. I'm like,

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00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 1>oh that worked.

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00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, it's great. The books called Astrology, de Coded,

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Science of India, stages and my guess today

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<v Speaker 2>has been vish Chateterjy. I want to talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit in our final few minutes about the current events,

1010
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.159
<v Speaker 2>and you're welcome to say I would not like to

1011
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Speaker 2>talk about that, but I hope you will talk about

1012
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:27.199
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. We have the presidential election. It's today today, today,

1013
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 2>we're recording this on Tuesday the fifth. What can you

1014
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 2>say about the presidential election? And it's been so just

1015
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:43.599
<v Speaker 2>divisive and our country is just split, you know right now,

1016
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 2>which is very, very unsettling for a lot of people.

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00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:51.599
<v Speaker 2>A lot of my friends are deeply upset just because

1018
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:56.039
<v Speaker 2>of the different characters involved, but also the energy of

1019
00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the United States. We want to talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the way I look at presidential candidates and

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<v Speaker 1>whoever does get elected as a president is a reflection

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<v Speaker 1>of the consciousness of the country. Right at the end

1024
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<v Speaker 1>of the day, the president is a public servant. They

1025
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.599
<v Speaker 1>are serving the public and their reflection of the consciousness

1026
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<v Speaker 1>of the people at the time. And so without looking

1027
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:21.800
<v Speaker 1>at the candidates, we have to look at ourselves and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it about our consciousness that's leading us to

1029
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.480
<v Speaker 1>this situation? And you could say we have a split

1030
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:29.280
<v Speaker 1>consciousness at the moment. We have two sides of our

1031
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:33.000
<v Speaker 1>nature that we're unable to resolve. We're just confused about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I look at you know, and again I'm not

1033
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<v Speaker 1>an expert on this. This is called mundane astrology. So

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<v Speaker 1>veta astrology is developed to understand your human journey and

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<v Speaker 1>your human evolution and how do you connect to your

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual nature. But there's a whole system called mundane astrology

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<v Speaker 1>which is taking that astrology the individual and applying it

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<v Speaker 1>to everyday, mundane world events. Yeah, so we can pull

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<v Speaker 1>a chart for the So the chart of the USA

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<v Speaker 1>pretend it's a human being and was born on a

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<v Speaker 1>certain date. And the date that I use is July fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen seventy six, which I most agree with the nation

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<v Speaker 1>was born, and I use the time of six twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four pm, figuring that was the last signature on the

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01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:21.960
<v Speaker 1>document to ratify the document to become a nation, to

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01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 1>birth the nation in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And the time has

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<v Speaker 1>come from some astrologers that looked at major events in

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<v Speaker 1>the US and back triangulated it to a birth time

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<v Speaker 1>that would work for those events to take place at

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<v Speaker 1>those times. Oh. Interesting, that's a technique. It's called birthtime rectification. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So that birth chart gives us a Sagittarius rising for

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<v Speaker 1>the US. And what was that? What's your reaction to that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just listening and smiling because I loved hearing about this,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're actually deifying the United States. It's an entity

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<v Speaker 2>as an.

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<v Speaker 1>Entity, as a as a being, as a being of itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do that for corporations when I have corporate clients,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do the incorporation date of the company and then

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<v Speaker 1>see what the company is going through.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I like this smiley because I'm like excited

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<v Speaker 2>to hear what you have to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So what's interesting is Sagittaris is a religious kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a sign. It's the most religious of all the signs,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you could say it's a nation founded in religion,

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<v Speaker 1>which is true it started out that way. But the ascendant,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a tougher concept. So we have twelve

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<v Speaker 1>zodiac signs aries Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, so on. But then

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<v Speaker 1>in the veding system we also have twenty seven more

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01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:40.960
<v Speaker 1>distant constellations that we use that really help understand sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the mythological side of things. And the ascendant of

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<v Speaker 1>the US is in a location called Mullah, and Mullah

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<v Speaker 1>is a constellation that looks like the root. And Mullah

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<v Speaker 1>is also the word we use for money right in

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<v Speaker 1>American culture, the root of all evils. So you can

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<v Speaker 1>see that it's a company the country that's obsessed with

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01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:05.760
<v Speaker 1>money and getting to the roots of things and establishing

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01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.880
<v Speaker 1>new roots. And you know, the US was an uprooted country.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an uprooting of the old world into the new world.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's there. But the thing is, when Mullah gets activated,

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<v Speaker 1>it creates this really sort of tearing down to the roots.

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<v Speaker 1>And Mullah in the US birth chrire was activated in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of twenty twenty, so it actually was actually

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<v Speaker 1>around October November of twenty nineteen. We had some planetary

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<v Speaker 1>positions of Rahu and kid to go over Mullah and

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01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:42.320
<v Speaker 1>are there these two axes that activated major churning of

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<v Speaker 1>the US. And so what happened around September October November

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, probably when the first cases of COVID were discovered,

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01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.360
<v Speaker 1>that activated a major churning for our country. And so

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01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:58.199
<v Speaker 1>we went through that churning. So you can say, yeah,

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01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.559
<v Speaker 1>there was a disease, there's a pandemic, but there was

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01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:03.599
<v Speaker 1>sort of a crisis of our soul really through that time,

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01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:08.679
<v Speaker 1>and that started this division and churning. Then we have

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01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:13.880
<v Speaker 1>the planet Saturn transiting over where the Moon was when

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01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:18.239
<v Speaker 1>the US was born. So when you have a birth chart,

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<v Speaker 1>wherever the moon is, the moon represents the mind, the psychology, mind,

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01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.599
<v Speaker 1>and emotions, and that's the birth start. Then today in space,

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<v Speaker 1>Saturn's moving around and today's Saturn happens to be right

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01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.079
<v Speaker 1>over the moon. And when this happens in a human being,

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01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.519
<v Speaker 1>it causes a major crisis for the human being where

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01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:41.079
<v Speaker 1>you are literally pushed into a corner and you have

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<v Speaker 1>no choice but to look up and look for salvation.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're in that period right now where Saturn is

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01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:49.440
<v Speaker 1>going over the moon and causing us to have major

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01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:54.840
<v Speaker 1>emotional instability, major emotional trauma, major questioning of who are we?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the question we're facing Today's who are we

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01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:01.280
<v Speaker 1>as a nation is being determined today November fifth, would

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01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Saturn literally directly over our natal moon. Saturn is at

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01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.280
<v Speaker 1>eighteen degrees of Aquarius right now, and our moon was

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01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.800
<v Speaker 1>at seven degrees of aquarius when we were born. And

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<v Speaker 1>Saturn is going retrograde meting. It's like intense power backwards

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01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.159
<v Speaker 1>into that. So we are in for a ride, is

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01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:24.039
<v Speaker 1>what I can say. And it doesn't alleviate until probably May.

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<v Speaker 1>Of what I see is until at least April May

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01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:31.760
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty five. This sort of really difficult Saturnian

1115
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:35.920
<v Speaker 1>reckoning of karma. Right, we've done some bad things as

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01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.679
<v Speaker 1>the nation. That Kara's coming due now, and that karma

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01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.239
<v Speaker 1>has been coming due for four or five years and

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01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.199
<v Speaker 1>we'll start to feel some relief after May of twenty

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01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty five. Is what I see. As far as the

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<v Speaker 1>charts go, I would say, Donald Trump has an extremely

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01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:53.719
<v Speaker 1>strong chart, like he's got a good hand of cards,

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01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:57.199
<v Speaker 1>but he's playing them terribly, And Kamala Harris has a

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01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.679
<v Speaker 1>weaker hand of cards, but she's playing them excellently in

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01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:02.800
<v Speaker 1>an excellent way. So you kind of see this kind

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01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:04.960
<v Speaker 1>of interesting with a poker game where you have some

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01:05:05.079 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 1>of your good hand of cards where that plays them

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01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:08.599
<v Speaker 1>awfully and somebody who has not such a great hand

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<v Speaker 1>but it's playing them marvelously, and that's why they're neck

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01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and neck like there. It's like Kamala is like compensating

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01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.400
<v Speaker 1>for some weaknesses in her chart in a brilliant way,

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01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:20.320
<v Speaker 1>and Trump isn't leaning into some great things in his chart,

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01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.960
<v Speaker 1>so he's kind of you know, there end up even here,

1133
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:29.480
<v Speaker 1>but we'll see what happens today. Kama has a little

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01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.719
<v Speaker 1>bit more connection to the US chart at the moment,

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01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:35.159
<v Speaker 1>so she has just like an inch ahead, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you compare the two charts, but again, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of free will involved here. You can do

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01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:44.519
<v Speaker 1>a lot to overcome things, but either way, I see

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01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.639
<v Speaker 1>us in a lot of turmoil until at least May,

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01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:50.320
<v Speaker 1>so I think it's a time to do extra meditation,

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01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:54.679
<v Speaker 1>extra yoga practice, be resilient, realize that this is just

1142
01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.960
<v Speaker 1>a karmic thing that we're all going through, and find

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01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.960
<v Speaker 1>a way to have love and compass for your friends,

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01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:03.360
<v Speaker 1>no matter where they are on the spectrum, because at

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01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.679
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, we're all sitting in our

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01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:09.360
<v Speaker 1>own information, our own consciousness, our own processing of things.

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<v Speaker 1>We all, I think for the most part, mean well

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01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:15.639
<v Speaker 1>like we all want to see this nation continue forward

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01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:19.079
<v Speaker 1>in the future as the beacon of hope and light

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01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:22.000
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the planet. And I think everyone's

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01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:26.440
<v Speaker 1>picking their horse based on that same desire to be

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01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:27.239
<v Speaker 1>a beacon of hope.

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<v Speaker 2>It just seems like one group is forgetting the foundations

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01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 2>of how we were built, you know, a nation of

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01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:43.559
<v Speaker 2>immigrant immigrants, and this divisive thinking it seems to be

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01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the way. I just don't see this as what the

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01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:50.440
<v Speaker 2>founding fathers were interested in. And it seems like we're

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01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:56.519
<v Speaker 2>backtracking and trying to develop a different type of personality

1159
01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and that's just not who we are.

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01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's also part of our our own karma.

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01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.679
<v Speaker 1>To face this struggle and divisiveness is part of the

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01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.559
<v Speaker 1>pain we have to go through, right, and so we

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01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:11.000
<v Speaker 1>have to just recognize that, you know, our history hasn't

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01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:13.320
<v Speaker 1>all been clean and good. It's had a lot of

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01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.880
<v Speaker 1>problems along the way, and now we're kind of due

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01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:19.880
<v Speaker 1>for reckoning. So whatever happens, we're facing the karma that

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<v Speaker 1>we're due.

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<v Speaker 2>Fish. This has been very insightful. I can talk with

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01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:28.360
<v Speaker 2>you for hours. I really enjoyed it. The book just

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01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:32.440
<v Speaker 2>came out. You can get it on Amazon or wherever

1171
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:35.679
<v Speaker 2>you get your books. Astrology de coded, give us your

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01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:39.400
<v Speaker 2>website if you have one, and also where people can

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01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.119
<v Speaker 2>hear more and learn more about you. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the website is vishchattergy dot com and if you

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<v Speaker 1>go there, there's actually a birth chart calculator you can use.

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01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:50.760
<v Speaker 1>So from there you can order the book. Obviously, please

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01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:53.440
<v Speaker 1>support me by ordering the book, but there's also a

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01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:55.840
<v Speaker 1>birth tart calculator, so you can calculate a chart and

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01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.079
<v Speaker 1>then use the book to help decode your own chart.

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<v Speaker 1>And my hope for you is that you start to

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01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:04.440
<v Speaker 1>understand your birth chart, start to understand the energies of play,

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01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:08.159
<v Speaker 1>and take an active DIY role in improving your life

1183
01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:13.480
<v Speaker 1>through all the practices between yoga, meditation, understanding your mind

1184
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:17.680
<v Speaker 1>body constitution, understanding your astrology chart, and really develop yourself

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01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Speaker 1>into you know, some movement towards those ancient and enlightened

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01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:24.399
<v Speaker 1>beings that we all, you know, look up to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well fish strategy. I really appreciate your time and we'll

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01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:30.560
<v Speaker 2>have to have you come back. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I love it, Cliff, Thank you very much. Thank

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01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.159
<v Speaker 1>you for having me on the show on the Destiny Podcast,

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01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and thank you for your audience to listen to this

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01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:40.000
<v Speaker 1>and learn. Thank you for your attention.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting, you know, that was the first

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01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.439
<v Speaker 2>time I've heard an astrologer refer to the earlier epoch

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01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:57.359
<v Speaker 2>tetra yoga and the beings, the advanced beings that were

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01:08:58.640 --> 01:09:01.479
<v Speaker 2>that were around the time, that could use their minds

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01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:06.399
<v Speaker 2>to travel the galaxies, to travel the Earth, to communicate,

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01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:12.279
<v Speaker 2>and they obviously were so sophisticated, and they must have

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<v Speaker 2>had some kind of machinery, some kind of devices, but

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01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:19.239
<v Speaker 2>maybe not that they could detect the influence the the

1201
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:24.720
<v Speaker 2>gravitational energetics from different planets in our solar system and

1202
01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:29.319
<v Speaker 2>perhaps beyond our solar system that we're influencing earth lanes.

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01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:34.359
<v Speaker 2>And this is what makes astrology so fascinating and so

1204
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:38.239
<v Speaker 2>problematic for certain people in the scientific community because they

1205
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:41.840
<v Speaker 2>just cannot explain it, you know, you can't tell them

1206
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:50.039
<v Speaker 2>this is energies at work, energies influencing physiology, and a

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01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:56.439
<v Speaker 2>few energies influencing body, mind and spirit. That's just that's just,

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01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's the problem with our current reality

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01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:05.720
<v Speaker 2>and the scientific community. They are locked in matter. They

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01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:09.880
<v Speaker 2>can't leave matter, they can't leave the physical and this

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01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.960
<v Speaker 2>is the problem. And when we start talking about younger

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01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:20.239
<v Speaker 2>scientists who are dialed in, who are programmed for understanding

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01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:27.600
<v Speaker 2>toleric energy, earth bound and planetary cosmological energy, then you

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01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:30.680
<v Speaker 2>have a whole different breed of scientists that are evolving.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've said it from the very first day I

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01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:38.199
<v Speaker 2>launched this website that some some kid, a young scientist

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01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:43.800
<v Speaker 2>is going to develop a tool for scanning pyramids, temples

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01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:49.520
<v Speaker 2>and other relics that could be buildings or statuary from

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01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:52.840
<v Speaker 2>the previous epoch. And I think they're slittered these epoch,

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01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:58.239
<v Speaker 2>these early edifices are scattered everywhere, and to be able

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01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:01.439
<v Speaker 2>to hold the device up to a temple and it

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01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:05.960
<v Speaker 2>begins spinning out data because it's been imprinted with data. Wow,

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01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.159
<v Speaker 2>and that's what our ancestors did, except they didn't likely

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01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:13.840
<v Speaker 2>do it with machinery. They were trained how to use

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01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:17.560
<v Speaker 2>their brains, how to access this data through their brains.

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<v Speaker 2>So just fascinating, just amazing, just really really fun to

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01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:26.039
<v Speaker 2>have a Visha on the program. In fact, his readings,

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01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:28.680
<v Speaker 2>his charts are a little spendy at over three hundred dollars.

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01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:32.239
<v Speaker 2>But I'm going to treat myself to a Christmas present

1230
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:34.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'll tell you what it says. I'll give you

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01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:38.960
<v Speaker 2>some hints. I won't read the whole thing because that's private, private,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will talk about a few things, especially with

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01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:46.560
<v Speaker 2>my relationships. Maybe she can he, he can provide me

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01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:53.039
<v Speaker 2>with some details. So real fun and yeah, check out

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01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:56.439
<v Speaker 2>his website for more details on what's going on with

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01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.119
<v Speaker 2>his the new book. The book just came out. He

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01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:02.039
<v Speaker 2>was on he was on Coast to Coast with George

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<v Speaker 2>Norri yesterday and he is making the rounds. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Astrology Decoded. Real fun. Hey, if you're enjoying Earth Anxious

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<v Speaker 2>These are thank yous from various authors and produce and

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<v Speaker 2>thank Venish for joining me today as always a team

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<v Speaker 2>of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this

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<v Speaker 2>thing happen. Thank you, thank you, thank you. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>take care of you well and we will talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you next time.

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<v Speaker 3>Give him any minute, Giant said the Naughty Dog, Saganny Go,

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how I can expire? Does you anything? Bag

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<v Speaker 3>and Johnya Sarah the way, don't God, God, You're the

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