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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Moon. Sider Dick Abriel with you

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<v Speaker 1>on a Thursday edition of our program, still snow and

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<v Speaker 1>ice bound here in the garage with the space heater

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<v Speaker 1>cranked up. Hope you are warm and dry wherever you are.

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<v Speaker 1>This is kind of a crossover day when we have

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<v Speaker 1>a full show on Thursday. There's no women's basketball tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>so we've got the full show for you, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk, of course about Kentucky basketball, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of football in there, but this is the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of day where you're still talking about the game in

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<v Speaker 1>the rearview mirror, but you're looking ahead to the upcoming

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<v Speaker 1>game on Saturday. And now the framework of that game,

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<v Speaker 1>based on how Kentucky came back and beat Texas A

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<v Speaker 1>and M and beat the Aggies by playing Aggie basketball

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ground it out tough defense. And now you've

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<v Speaker 1>got Alabama coming to town, which could end up being

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<v Speaker 1>a track meet. I mean, it could be just like

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<v Speaker 1>the Florida game, because Alabama's defense isn't nearly what A

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<v Speaker 1>and M's defense is, but Alabama may have more athletes,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course A and M was missing its best player.

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<v Speaker 1>So and like I always said, it didn't play four

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<v Speaker 1>on five. They had a guy out there, maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>quite as good as Waye Taylor, but I think A

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<v Speaker 1>and M made adjustments minus Taylor, and it gave other

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<v Speaker 1>guys a chance to get some stuff done. And therefore

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<v Speaker 1>they're jacking up threes and hitting them in the first half.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that doesn't happen if the offense is going through

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<v Speaker 1>one guy primarily in the first half. So anyhow, Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>gets the win and now is in good shape going

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<v Speaker 1>into the game noon. Something you will hear right here

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<v Speaker 1>on six thirty WLAP. Coming up tonight, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Gary Graves. He's been a guest on our

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<v Speaker 1>show before, but always as the Associated Press corresponded here

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<v Speaker 1>in Lexington. Well, he just retired, took a little early retirement,

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<v Speaker 1>as a lot of people do, but he has covered

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky now for about a dozen years, so we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>his thoughts on what he has seen so far this season.

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<v Speaker 1>Also going to talk to Lee K. Howard from WKA.

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<v Speaker 1>He covered the game the other night and shot the

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<v Speaker 1>video for WKYT, meaning he sat on the baseline right

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<v Speaker 1>next to the visiting team, so we'll get his thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on the Cats, how they've developed, and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things he heard and saw from the Texas A and

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<v Speaker 1>M bench during those guys, the shooters and women on

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<v Speaker 1>those baselines. I always have good stories to tell. I

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Also Tim Sullivan, freelance journalist over in Louisville,

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<v Speaker 1>who has worked for newspapers throughout his career in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>San Diego, Louisville, who's with a Courier journal now a

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<v Speaker 1>freelance writer, will get his thoughts and observations on the

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<v Speaker 1>Cats and the Cards over in Louisville. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be interesting Saturday to see if Travis Perry can take

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<v Speaker 1>that next step. And I mentioned him last night. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about Travis, and I said we would get

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<v Speaker 1>more into it tonight. So here we are. Mark Pope

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<v Speaker 1>was asked by Daryl Byrd. Of course literary wrote the

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<v Speaker 1>book on Travis Perry, the publisher of The Cat's Pause

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<v Speaker 1>and the lead columnist. He asked Pope about the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they had to throw Travis Perry and of course

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<v Speaker 1>he's now the number two point guard since Kirk Crisa

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<v Speaker 1>is injured. And you talk about tough minutes and having

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<v Speaker 1>to learn literally on the fly, against a team like

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<v Speaker 1>Texas A and M. But as Pope pointed out, Perry

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<v Speaker 1>was up to it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's terrific, isn't he Against a really complicated defense like

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<v Speaker 2>this is not an easy defense to kind of figure out. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, our guys are pretty good at They're

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good at figuring out what they're seeing, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>About coaching them.

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<v Speaker 2>And when things change as much as they did with

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<v Speaker 2>Texas M, that's the next step for us is to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to really change with the changes. But TP,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean, yeah, it was a big shots,

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<v Speaker 2>really big shots, right. They made us feel a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot better. And he's got no fear and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>going out to play, and you know, it's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Chart his trajectory, you just get to see these little

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<v Speaker 2>steps that he's taking. We all get to say. It's

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of the great things about coaching and being

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<v Speaker 2>fans that are really invested, which is BBN, is you

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<v Speaker 2>actually get to see like the beginning and the middle

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<v Speaker 2>and the growth that we get to prognosticate about where

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<v Speaker 2>they're going and to see these guys grow as special.

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<v Speaker 2>TP is definitely do that. This is a high pressure game,

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<v Speaker 2>is top ten game against one of the best defenses

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<v Speaker 2>in the country, and he was terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>He was terrific, no question about that. Gave them good

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<v Speaker 1>minutes and Perry talked to the media after the game

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<v Speaker 1>just about how he's grown since becoming a Wildcat.

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<v Speaker 3>The reps. Obviously from the beginning of summer till now,

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<v Speaker 3>I've had.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of reps against the best point guards of

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<v Speaker 4>college basketball, against some of the best defenders in college basketball,

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<v Speaker 4>so that goes a long way. But also just getting

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<v Speaker 4>more comfortable in the college game, Like the pace is

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<v Speaker 4>starting to come to me a little bit, just the feels,

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<v Speaker 4>the reads, like I keep saying, the game is slowing

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<v Speaker 4>down for me a little bit, and that's something that's

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<v Speaker 4>big to get more comfortable out there. And then the

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<v Speaker 4>confidence side of it, like like guys are really showing

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of confidence in each other, Like that's something

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<v Speaker 4>we've had all season, and so when you're out there

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<v Speaker 4>and know that everybody on the bench, the coach is said,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone has confidence in here.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes along with our Jack Gibbons on Tom Leach's

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<v Speaker 1>show this morning talking about Travis and Jack made a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting point no surprise, he said he was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. Jack was a little bit relieved when Travis

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<v Speaker 1>got into the game the other night and almost immediately

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<v Speaker 1>committed a turnover. But it I'm paraphrasing, that didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>affect his game. He just kept right on going. You

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<v Speaker 1>saw how well he played, and Jack said that told him.

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<v Speaker 1>Told Jack that Travis has been able to relax more

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<v Speaker 1>and not worry about making mistakes, understand and accept the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that mistakes are going to happen. You just got

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<v Speaker 1>to move on to the next play. And certainly now

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<v Speaker 1>we are seeing that in Travis. Perry and Travis talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how much more comfortable he is with just really

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<v Speaker 1>not thinking, just going out and playing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's something that I was really working on.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just being more confident, being more decisive, and like

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<v Speaker 4>you said, just being quick to pull the trigger.

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<v Speaker 3>That's something that the credits the kur.

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<v Speaker 4>Kurt told me all the time, him and one of

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<v Speaker 4>our gas Austin Folk, just just being able to come

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<v Speaker 4>in and make shots.

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<v Speaker 3>Like sometimes whether whether you.

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<v Speaker 4>Make the shot, miss the shot, take the shot, you

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<v Speaker 4>be ready to kind of bring a spark, bring a

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<v Speaker 4>spark when you're in there and take advantage of the

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<v Speaker 4>opportunities that are given.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Travis Perry, and I'm really curious to see when

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<v Speaker 1>he does get in against Alabama what kind of game

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<v Speaker 1>he has, because this one could be a track meet.

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<v Speaker 1>It absolutely could look like the Florida game because that's

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<v Speaker 1>the way Alabama likes to play. And obviously Kentucky's at

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<v Speaker 1>its best in transition, shooting threes, you know all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's gonna be fun. You'll hear it right here

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<v Speaker 1>on six point thirty WLAP A couple of other UK

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<v Speaker 1>basketball notes. Nick Richards, the guy who didn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>play his last year at Kentucky in the nca Tournament

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<v Speaker 1>because of COVID, has been with the Charlotte Hornets and

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<v Speaker 1>playing well. He's been traded to Phoenix, which is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make a run toward the playoffs. Charlotte wasn't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get there, and they made a trade to bring in

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<v Speaker 1>and he had some pretty good numbers going off the

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<v Speaker 1>bench at Charlotte nine points a game, seven and a

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<v Speaker 1>half rebounds per game in just twenty one minutes per game.

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<v Speaker 1>Phoenix eleventh place in the Western Conference, nineteen and twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're hoping he helps put them over the edge

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<v Speaker 1>and sadly into the playoffs. And by the way, you

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<v Speaker 1>know who had an eye on Nick Richards for a

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<v Speaker 1>while back in September, the Knicks. This is before they

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<v Speaker 1>got Karl Anthony Towns from the Timberwolves. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge deal when they sent Julius Randall, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>looking for big man help, so they were looking at

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Richards. And now he's got a new home in Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 1>So keep an eye on the Suns if you are

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<v Speaker 1>one to be interested. That's a past Wildcat future Wildcats

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<v Speaker 1>Jasper Johnson Malachai Moreno. Two of twelve players named the

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<v Speaker 1>Team USA for the twenty six annual Nike Hoop Summit,

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<v Speaker 1>only Duke had multiple players. That's the only other school.

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<v Speaker 1>Duke head three, but they were selected by the USA

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<v Speaker 1>Basketball Men's Developmental National Team Committee to compete against the

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<v Speaker 1>World team Saturday, April twelfth up in Portland. So great

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<v Speaker 1>experience for both. I want to say rip to Bob Yucker.

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<v Speaker 1>Never met the guy. I've heard stories, obviously, everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>seen him on TV and in Major League the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Picicoro posted a picture of himself with Yuker. Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>of course a long time member of the Reds Network,

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<v Speaker 1>so got to hang out with him a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But Major League was really when Uker. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>had already done the miller like commercials and all, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think the nation fell in love with him all

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<v Speaker 1>over again. And everybody knows this line job. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about that one, but so many of his lines

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<v Speaker 1>in that movie where d libbd and he just went

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<v Speaker 1>up and had fun with it and the producers left

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<v Speaker 1>it in. He was such a vital part of the

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<v Speaker 1>success of that Major League franchise, really the movie franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a great player, two hundred career hitter, but boy

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<v Speaker 1>could he tell stories, especially when he was on with

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Carson making fun of the fact that he just

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't very good, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe my last time at bat, I'd looking the visitors

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<v Speaker 2>doug out and see all the guys sitting there with

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<v Speaker 2>their street cloths on.

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<v Speaker 1>I also love when Carson held up a photo of

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of players celebrating and they were pouring beer

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<v Speaker 1>in the Uker's mouth, and he said, is that a

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<v Speaker 1>celebration after a big win? They said, he said, now

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<v Speaker 1>that's me getting ready to play love that one. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course the knuckleball story. Best way to catch a knuckleball,

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<v Speaker 1>pick it up on a quitch rolling. He was priceless

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<v Speaker 1>and gone at the age of ninety. Rip Bob Buker.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to come on six thirty WLAP Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Big Moonsider. Coming up in a few minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Graves, who just recently retired from the Associated Press.

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<v Speaker 1>He has spent a long time covering the Wildcats and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of other things. Who will talk to Gary?

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<v Speaker 1>Also Lee K. Howard from WKYT and Louisville based freelance

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<v Speaker 1>and the cards. But a lot going on around the

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<v Speaker 1>country last night, As always, let's start in the sec

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sure the results by now. Tennessee destroyed Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Seventy four to fifty six was the final halftime. Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>And I was playing cards with some friends and we

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<v Speaker 1>was a thirteen to one run Tennessee began the second half.

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia got it down to eight at one point and

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<v Speaker 1>antened I looked up at twenty one. I mean, Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>just absolutely destroyed the Bulldogs, who didn't quite get to

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<v Speaker 1>including Kentucky. But Tennessee was hitting, Georgia was not, and

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<v Speaker 1>And you knew this going in. South Carolina was one

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<v Speaker 1>play began to unfold this season. Carolina's own four in

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<v Speaker 1>overall them Commodores. Texas gets its first conference victory in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas was really kicking their butts in the first half.

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<v Speaker 1>We watched some of that game, and then Oklahoma practically

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<v Speaker 1>turned it around in the second half. But Ou is

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<v Speaker 1>Texas was eleven and two. So and you knew this

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<v Speaker 1>as you saw the records pile up that some of

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<v Speaker 1>amazing the SEC is, and by tournament time we may see, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is, but some of that was scheduling, and

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<v Speaker 1>clearly that was the case for Oklahoma and Texas, probably

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina as well. So the surprises in the SEC.

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<v Speaker 1>Last name of the margins of victory. I thought the

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen him play like one half so far this year,

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<v Speaker 1>really good. They beat Kansas seventy four to fifty seven

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<v Speaker 1>in ames by the way, I will say, fifteen and

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<v Speaker 1>one now five and on the Big twelve, Kansas is

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<v Speaker 1>only quote unquote twelve and four, three and two in

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<v Speaker 1>predicted for Kansas, at least not right now. Guess who's

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<v Speaker 1>undefeated after six games in the Big Ten. Michigan State.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Mislo's got a ball club fifteen to two overall,

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<v Speaker 1>six to zero in the league. After beating Penn State

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<v Speaker 1>last night ninety eighty five, and Houston keeps rolling, knocked

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<v Speaker 1>of the other real powerhouses in action last night from

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<v Speaker 1>the top twenty five. And of course Wildcats taking on

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama Saturday afternoon at noon. You'll hear that game right

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<v Speaker 1>here on six thirty WLAP. You know by now that

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<v Speaker 1>the scuzz bucket who was verbally abusing the fan at

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<v Speaker 1>the Philly game. Yes he was a Green Bay Packers fan,

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<v Speaker 1>but didn't matter who she was rooting for. He has

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<v Speaker 1>been banned from lincoln Field for life. We'll see along

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<v Speaker 1>that stands up, and he's been fired from his job.

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<v Speaker 1>But now, naturally, media members, at least a couple of them,

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<v Speaker 1>are questioning what happened. Questioning her fiance, two media types

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<v Speaker 1>now they're saying, we've been manipulated by this dude. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>so what was this guy's role in prompting the Philly

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<v Speaker 1>fan and they said, yeah, what that guy did was terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>But my reaction is, so what, And again not just

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<v Speaker 1>because they're fans of the Packers, So what? They created

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<v Speaker 1>a GoFundMe paid, that's smart. No one's forcing anybody to

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<v Speaker 1>give this guy and his fiance money to go to Philly.

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<v Speaker 1>No one's forcing anybody to watch his YouTube page, and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's forcing the Philly fan to be a part of this.

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<v Speaker 1>It just clicked bait and two media people trying to

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<v Speaker 1>stand and also they're trying to cater to their fan base. Naturally.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there are people out there who will stop

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<v Speaker 1>and pause and say, wait a minute, maybe this isn't fair.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous, is what it is. So is what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>out with the California fires. With regard to State Farm.

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<v Speaker 1>State Farm is canceled. It's commercial for the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they get the full refund on

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<v Speaker 1>their seven million dollar purchase, but they have gotten so

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<v Speaker 1>much flak, so much criticism. It's the largest property insurer

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<v Speaker 1>in California, but it announced in March twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>insurance policies in the state because arising costs, outdated insurance regulations,

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<v Speaker 1>and it said increasing risks of catastrophes, including fires. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just great. So now, according to media which cover advertising

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<v Speaker 1>at age specifically, they've canceled their spot. They had one

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<v Speaker 1>last year. I don't remember it. They had Danny DeVito

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<v Speaker 1>movie Twins. So yeah, they're out. You know who else

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<v Speaker 1>is out? A member of the Ohio State football team,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who apparently made famous from TikTok walk on

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<v Speaker 1>defensive lineman Caden Davis the Ohio State student newspaper. So

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's no longer on the team. The team wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>give a specific reason, and he is a non factor

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<v Speaker 1>they say, in terms of you know, playing time and

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. But apparently he has two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six thousand followers on TikTok and another one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand on Instagram. He gives a behind us scenes look

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<v Speaker 1>at Ohio State football as a player on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 1>and now he's gone. So this is kind of suspicious.

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<v Speaker 1>This is kind of weird. Although apparently he came under

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<v Speaker 1>the trip to Texas for the college football semi final

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<v Speaker 1>at the Cotton Bowl. Some viewers questioned whether he was

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be from Ohio State's Cotton Bowl appearance at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the twenty twenty three season. But now,

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<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, they're not saying why he's gone, and

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<v Speaker 1>it seems kind of suspicious to his fans. One other

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<v Speaker 1>NFL note before we hit the brake. Some of you

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<v Speaker 1>out there are Cleveland Browns fans, probably of a certain

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<v Speaker 1>age because back in the day this was Cleveland Brown's territory,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what you got on television. I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>anybody in this day and age without a tie to

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<v Speaker 1>the team or the area saying, by golly, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to root for the Browns. But they're trying to build

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<v Speaker 1>where they are now. Well, the city has filed a

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<v Speaker 1>the owner, a dome stadium in the suburbs, and the

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<v Speaker 1>suit filed in Cuyahoga County is looking to invoke what's

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<v Speaker 1>Modell was the guy who snuck the Browns out of

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<v Speaker 1>town to Baltimore. But the state loss is any professional

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<v Speaker 1>sports owner who uses a tax supported facility for home

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<v Speaker 1>cannot leave until it gets permission to play elsewhere or

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<v Speaker 1>give six months notice. Given six months notice because they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't move till twenty twenty eight. But they haven't gotten permission,

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<v Speaker 1>have they. So stay tuned, as we say, up next

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<v Speaker 1>to Gary Graves here on the Big Blue Siders six thirty,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Blue Sider, and has promised

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<v Speaker 1>newly retired Gary Graves many many years with the Associated President,

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<v Speaker 1>a good deal of that right here based in Lexington,

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<v Speaker 1>but getting up and down the interstate, covering both UK

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<v Speaker 1>and U of L. And before we went on the air,

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<v Speaker 1>we were chatting about your retirement. You'll stay busy, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're still a fairly young man relatively speaking. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that, like maybe when the NCA tournament rolls around,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll feel like that old fire horse that here's the

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<v Speaker 1>bell and wants to get out and run.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, definitely, definitely for the tournament, and for that matter,

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<v Speaker 5>you might see me on February first for the return

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<v Speaker 5>of a certain head coach to Lexington.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think I think that'll that'll that'll be a

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<v Speaker 5>story around here. I don't know if it's a story

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<v Speaker 5>in Arkansas right now, but we can talk about that later.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm sure the cynics will say just stay there,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But let's let's double back though and talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit gear. As I said, you worked for

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<v Speaker 1>the AP, which serves not just newspapers but broadcast outlets

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But media being what it is in this

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<v Speaker 1>day and age, Gary, where people get, for better or worse,

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<v Speaker 1>accurate or inaccurate, so much information off their their mobile device,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will. I still maintain there is an important

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<v Speaker 1>place in the world for agencies like the AP, which

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<v Speaker 1>still has standards. I was talking to some of the

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<v Speaker 1>younger people saying, you know what, when I was a

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper guy a long time ago, for instance, the Louisville newspapers,

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<v Speaker 1>it had to you know, whatever I wrote had to

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<v Speaker 1>go through three different people to get in the newspaper.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so you were held accountable and there's just

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<v Speaker 1>not as much of that anymore, which fuels to distrust

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<v Speaker 1>of the media. Not always fair because I remind people,

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<v Speaker 1>you're the media now, whoever I'm talking to, because you

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<v Speaker 1>got a phone in your hand, you're a publisher, and

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<v Speaker 1>that has that has just changed the world, hasn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, yeah, you're so right. And for what it's

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<v Speaker 5>worth at the AP, you know, content still goes through

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of sets of eyes before it hits the

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<v Speaker 5>wire as we used to call it. Uh, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Part of this transformation, which led to my occurrence status,

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<v Speaker 5>is that we have become more of a digital or

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<v Speaker 5>we're going to become more of a digital and kind

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<v Speaker 5>of image based platform because anything, I guess advancements you'll

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<v Speaker 5>it's in the case of a lot of print and

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<v Speaker 5>broadcast outlets that uh, you know, shorter, smaller bite seems

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<v Speaker 5>to be effective because you and I we're guilty of

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<v Speaker 5>it as well, that if we have to read past

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<v Speaker 5>two or three screens, then it's kind of lost our innswest.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we want the basics and and part of

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<v Speaker 5>that is because everything is so instantaneous between alerts, between uh,

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<v Speaker 5>social media for for you know, good or bad. It's

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<v Speaker 5>still out there and that's how people have access to it.

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<v Speaker 5>And of course, you know, I mean sports Center still

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<v Speaker 5>serves a purpose and immediacy, so you know, you don't

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<v Speaker 5>have to wait for that that printed project or student

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<v Speaker 5>printed project product on your doorstep the next morning. And

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<v Speaker 5>might might sound really dated with that, but you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I grew up working for a newspaper and delivering it,

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<v Speaker 5>so you know, I'm very old school. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 5>when they used to collect for the newspaper?

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<v Speaker 1>You hated that?

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<v Speaker 5>a cold Saturday evening asking somebody for like four for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and then they said, I don't have it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have four bucks or they'd write you a check.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what, Oh we we were okay, we

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<v Speaker 1>were thirteen fourteen years old, my brothers and me, and

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<v Speaker 1>I promise we'll get back to basketball in a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, sibby, I'll get you next week, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it would build up with some people and

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<v Speaker 1>But we didn't say anywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh we we did. And guess what, you know there

420
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<v Speaker 5>was a check or you know, paper and coins in

421
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<v Speaker 5>my hand within a week.

422
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<v Speaker 1>Well, you were smarter than we were, I can tell

423
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<v Speaker 1>you that, or tougher than we were, cause these are

424
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<v Speaker 1>our neighbors. You know, Hey, missus Wilcox, I need your

425
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.640
<v Speaker 1>money now. You know that kind of thing. Uh, let

426
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<v Speaker 1>me ask you. I've always wanted just when when you

427
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:09.160
<v Speaker 1>were covering the cats. Of course, a lot of your copy,

428
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<v Speaker 1>the AP copy would end up in some of the

429
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<v Speaker 1>smaller papers around the state or not uh, because they

430
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>were they were disappearing, but it would be seen, read

431
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.599
<v Speaker 1>and used around the country. So you basically had to

432
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<v Speaker 1>keep that in mind. You had a much broader audience,

433
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<v Speaker 1>didn't you. You weren't just writing to the BBN. You

434
00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:31.359
<v Speaker 1>couldn't just assume everybody knew what you were talking about.

435
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<v Speaker 1>How did that affect the way you did your job?

436
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<v Speaker 5>I think in a lot of ways that it kept

437
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<v Speaker 5>me objective about the wildcats because of what you just

438
00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:47.640
<v Speaker 5>said that yes, you know, I'm trying to drive the

439
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.599
<v Speaker 5>engine of uh, you know, the train engine of coverage

440
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<v Speaker 5>in Kentucky, but also you know, mindful that it would

441
00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:01.039
<v Speaker 5>go on your larger platforms that you had really be very,

442
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:04.720
<v Speaker 5>very balanced and down the middle. I don't want to

443
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<v Speaker 5>say vanilla, because you know, vanilla is a flavor and

444
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.039
<v Speaker 5>it takes a lot to make vanilla. So even for

445
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.799
<v Speaker 5>that that vanilla that you you had to put a

446
00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:17.119
<v Speaker 5>lot of a lot of elements in there to not

447
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:21.039
<v Speaker 5>sound like a homer, to really emphasize, you know, really

448
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:24.599
<v Speaker 5>what what team won. And I think last year was

449
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<v Speaker 5>was probably one of my I feel like one of

450
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<v Speaker 5>my best seasons in terms of being objective and playing

451
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:34.319
<v Speaker 5>it down the middle, because a lot of times last

452
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:38.279
<v Speaker 5>season it was about the other team and and how

453
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<v Speaker 5>it affected Kentucky. And you know, when they had the

454
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<v Speaker 5>losing streak, and I think you know when they lost

455
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:47.799
<v Speaker 5>in overtime to Florida that that was one of those

456
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.759
<v Speaker 5>those games that all of us I remember, were kind

457
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.559
<v Speaker 5>of saying, what the world just happened here? It's like,

458
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:57.599
<v Speaker 5>was they you know, they they took a hundred points

459
00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.279
<v Speaker 5>and you know, losing overtime or something like that at

460
00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.079
<v Speaker 5>and yeah. We never thought we would see a three

461
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:08.440
<v Speaker 5>game losing streak at home. Yeah. And when I say we,

462
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:09.519
<v Speaker 5>I mean the media, not.

463
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>We, anybody, anybody.

464
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, And so you know that that part was

465
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<v Speaker 5>newsworth in and of it of itself. And that's when

466
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 5>I remember. It's like, that's where I have to remember

467
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 5>that it's not about what goes on here, it's the

468
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:33.680
<v Speaker 5>impact elsewhere because the sec being what it is, what

469
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 5>it was last year, and it is even more that. Yeah,

470
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.559
<v Speaker 5>I think you really do have to look at the

471
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:45.799
<v Speaker 5>big picture because what happens in Tennessee or or Starkville,

472
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, it affects Kentucky. I mean we you know

473
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:50.119
<v Speaker 5>you saw that last weekend.

474
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

475
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

476
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>And man, the league is crazy. There's no question we

477
00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>knew this going in. I think some of it's leveling

478
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<v Speaker 1>off because and I mentioned this earlier in the show

479
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 1>scheduling some of these teams that had gaudy records but

480
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>now are winning, including Arkansas winless in the league. But

481
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:11.599
<v Speaker 1>you kind of saw that coming, didn't you.

482
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:17.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah, I mean between the schedule and you know, again,

483
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 5>I think with the balance of the League that there

484
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 5>was a part of me that thought, I think, you know, overall,

485
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.559
<v Speaker 5>I think Arkansas will be okay.

486
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Really but.

487
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, because you know, just because I think things

488
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:35.880
<v Speaker 5>tend to balance out even in a transitional year. And

489
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 5>and you know, we know Calibery finds a way to

490
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.319
<v Speaker 5>get it done eventually, you know, when they quote unquote

491
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 5>buy in and things start to fall into place. Now

492
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:51.079
<v Speaker 5>having said that, it's go time now because looking at

493
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:54.799
<v Speaker 5>that schedule, there is a real possibility that they could

494
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 5>be one and seven in league play, and and you know,

495
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 5>and and the that you know that that Chicken money,

496
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.519
<v Speaker 5>as I've heard, you know, people are going to start wondering,

497
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 5>you know, was this a good investment? Yea, uh Again,

498
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, you have to look at the big picture

499
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:13.759
<v Speaker 5>and look down the road and understand the position that

500
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 5>you're in with all the all the up people that

501
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.039
<v Speaker 5>you went through last spring, that that led you to

502
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.680
<v Speaker 5>this point. And even though it's working out great for

503
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:26.519
<v Speaker 5>Kentucky right now, but the position that they left in

504
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 5>that your other schools are not so fortunate. And for

505
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 5>that matter, it's like Andy Anfield at.

506
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<v Speaker 1>S m U.

507
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, he's going through a transition there and

508
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 5>you know, in the A c C and with a

509
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 5>new program, and it's just really I think you know,

510
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 5>coaches like Cali Perry figured out, you know, he's just

511
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 5>he's just got to get his players to really buy

512
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.960
<v Speaker 5>in and understand that it's not about just going to

513
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.759
<v Speaker 5>the league or for that matter. And I because I

514
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 5>do think that that is a driver of a lot

515
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 5>of motivation for these athletes. Now, it used to be

516
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:12.279
<v Speaker 5>the NBA, but now I think NIL has really kind

517
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.720
<v Speaker 5>of changed the player's perspective in terms of how they

518
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:20.000
<v Speaker 5>approach the game, be it football or basketball, and they

519
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 5>have to understand that money doesn't come unless you can

520
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 5>help your team win.

521
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 1>It is a different era, a different age. And we

522
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>will talk more about that with Gary Graves, who just

523
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:33.920
<v Speaker 1>retired from the Associated Press, but keeping an eye on

524
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.039
<v Speaker 1>the Cats and the Cards. We'll come back with more

525
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:37.480
<v Speaker 1>in a minute here on the Big Boo and Sider

526
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 1>six point thirty. Welcome back. We're talking with Gary Graves.

527
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 1>He's a buddy, he's a Packers fan. We're going to

528
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit of Packers here in a minute.

529
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 1>But he has just recently retired from the Associated Press.

530
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<v Speaker 1>How many years here in Lexington. I know you were

531
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>on the East coast for quite a while, but how

532
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>many years covering Kentucky in Nuol and whatever?

533
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.640
<v Speaker 5>Twelve plus years? Yeah, I was on my thirtie season,

534
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 5>and you know, and before that it was that was

535
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.279
<v Speaker 5>at the USA Today for eighteen years doing a variety

536
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:12.160
<v Speaker 5>of things. So and I'd had bounced around a couple

537
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 5>of papers that down south, so you know it had

538
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.000
<v Speaker 5>been around, so I think it was it's been like

539
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:19.200
<v Speaker 5>forty eight years.

540
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Amazing, amazing something like that.

541
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

542
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>But anyways, but as you said, a dozen or so

543
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:28.119
<v Speaker 1>years covering the Wildcats and you are stepping away as

544
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>a daily journalist at a time you brought up the

545
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>nil the portal the coach of football coaches are wanting

546
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>to eliminate a lot of the days on the calendar,

547
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and you you were at the weekly Mark Stoops news conferences.

548
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>How many times did he talk about how the calendar

549
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:49.079
<v Speaker 1>has got to be changed, improved whatever? Uh, But you

550
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>know it's going to be I think a tug of

551
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:53.799
<v Speaker 1>war geary with the players because although they really don't

552
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>have any bargaining power, but you know, looking to limit

553
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the number of transfer portal days available might bring a

554
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit of sanity, but I don't know how much,

555
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>do you.

556
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.960
<v Speaker 5>Uh. I think it will bring bring some sanity. And

557
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, just last night I saw a Network Network reporter.

558
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 5>Uh they talked to Oakland's coach about n I L.

559
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.279
<v Speaker 5>And you know, it focused on NIL but everything that

560
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.880
<v Speaker 5>he was saying, and of course they referred to, you know,

561
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 5>the victory over Kentucky in terms of how the landscape

562
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 5>is has changed for for him, even though they won.

563
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 5>And he basically said, I spend my off season trying

564
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 5>to raise money and trying to convince my players to

565
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:47.079
<v Speaker 5>to to stay here because of the portal and because

566
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 5>of NI L. And he says, you know, he says,

567
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:54.119
<v Speaker 5>I lose guys, you know, to other programs because some

568
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.960
<v Speaker 5>school offered them five hundred thousand dollars. And you know,

569
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:04.559
<v Speaker 5>it's mind boggling. And I do think that the transfer

570
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 5>portal freedom. It's good in a sense because you know,

571
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 5>we've always said it was unfair for athletes to remain

572
00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 5>committed to a school when coaches jump all the time.

573
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 5>But it's just become such a free for all that

574
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 5>you really can't become attached to any player in any sport.

575
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.519
<v Speaker 5>You know for longer than that year. You know, we

576
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:32.079
<v Speaker 5>here in Kentucky have gotten used to that, of course,

577
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, with one and done, but it's just so

578
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 5>crazy now. And I think it makes it even more

579
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 5>remarkable because of all the changes as to what Mark

580
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:47.400
<v Speaker 5>Pope has done at Kentucky in a short period of time.

581
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:52.480
<v Speaker 5>If you had told me last April that they would be,

582
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, thirteen three, fourteen and three and really looking

583
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 5>like a team that could make a deep run in March,

584
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 5>I would have said no, you know, because our first

585
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.720
<v Speaker 5>thing was, you know, be careful what you wish for.

586
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.359
<v Speaker 5>You know, all of you that wanted Caliperi out of there.

587
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 5>You know, now you've got a new coach, and you

588
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 5>know I mean, and now it's not going to be

589
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 5>one and done and be careful what you wish for.

590
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 5>But he's making it work. He's making it work.

591
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's amazing to me that it's it's a

592
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>group that is such a veteran group and yet man,

593
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 1>they got to figure it out just like a young group.

594
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.319
<v Speaker 1>But what I love, and I've talked about this a lot.

595
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Jack Gibbons talked about this on the radio early in

596
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the year. He said, It's been really kind of refreshing.

597
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Not a knock at Caliperi, but you know, you got

598
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:46.720
<v Speaker 1>veterans on the floor when you know things aren't going

599
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>exactly the way they should be. But he could hear

600
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.799
<v Speaker 1>them talking to each other and figuring it out on

601
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 1>their own, and lieuis of looking to the bench wide

602
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 1>eye like coach, what do we do call time out?

603
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, the coach with his history AICs on the

604
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:06.759
<v Speaker 1>sidelines trying to direct traffic or Pope has the luxury,

605
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.039
<v Speaker 1>if you will, of letting these veteran players talk to

606
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>one another and, like I said, figure things out. That's

607
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>been kind of fun.

608
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I think even more so than than you know,

609
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 5>the past regime where he used to refer to you

610
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.400
<v Speaker 5>it being kind of a player driven team. Yes, you

611
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.320
<v Speaker 5>know where you know you say, yeah, guys would take

612
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.400
<v Speaker 5>themselves out, you know, and and and you know if

613
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.119
<v Speaker 5>they needed a breather or something. But what I'm seeing

614
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:40.360
<v Speaker 5>with this team is this communication where they say, Okay,

615
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.320
<v Speaker 5>somebody's got to step up. There's no finger pointing, but

616
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 5>you know, I mean, I can I get this sense.

617
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 5>And there was it was a time out the other

618
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.199
<v Speaker 5>night where they they came out better, and I had

619
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.880
<v Speaker 5>this sense it's like, Okay, here's the situation. Somebody's got

620
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Speaker 5>to step up. If you out a shot, take it,

621
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 5>you know, I mean if if if you've got a foul,

622
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 5>give or something like that, and it can it can

623
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 5>slow the momentum, go ahead and do it, especially against

624
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 5>the you know, an A and M team that really

625
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:17.000
<v Speaker 5>was intent on muddying the waters. And you know, I

626
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.079
<v Speaker 5>mean it got very chippy out there. It looked like

627
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:25.400
<v Speaker 5>a seventies NBA game at times out there, and and

628
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.920
<v Speaker 5>I think that's what's refreshing is that somebody it's always

629
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<v Speaker 5>a different hero every game for them, you know, whether

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's Robinson or or or Williams uh you know,

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<v Speaker 5>for example, or you know, I mean you're Travis Perry.

632
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<v Speaker 5>Uh yeah, I mean, just like a basket here and there.

633
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.840
<v Speaker 5>And it's great to really, uh to see that that

634
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Speaker 5>that kind of support and you know, filling the void

635
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<v Speaker 5>right that. I mean, you know that that is truly

636
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<v Speaker 5>a team. And I think you know, we're seeing it

637
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 5>over over in Louisville too, to an extent. You know,

638
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<v Speaker 5>we could talk about that later too.

639
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's it's what he had in mind when

640
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.440
<v Speaker 1>he cobbled this roster together, and so did Pat Kelsey.

641
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<v Speaker 1>I've only got a couple of minutes, so I am

642
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.119
<v Speaker 1>going to spend that bear with us, folks. We're both

643
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<v Speaker 1>Green Bay Packer fans. But my take on the loss

644
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:23.679
<v Speaker 1>of the Eagles, I was pleasantly surprised at how well

645
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 1>the defense played, especially trying to keep Saquon Barkley in check.

646
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.519
<v Speaker 1>But I was really disappointed with our quarterback. Gary your

647
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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts, your take on the Packers.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I agree. It's like they're the defense presented opportunities

649
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 5>for the offense to take advantage, whether it's field position

650
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 5>or just getting the ball back and really keeping it

651
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 5>from becoming a blowout, and it's like, okay, you know,

652
00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 5>like just just somebody do something, you know, again, like

653
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 5>we're talking about somebody. Somebody's got to step up. And

654
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.360
<v Speaker 5>they just seemed flat, you know, they I don't I

655
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 5>don't know whether you know those those wild card games,

656
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 5>how seriously, you know, guys take them. At this point,

657
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 5>it almost seemed like, okay, we've gotten this far, we're

658
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.920
<v Speaker 5>on a road in a hostile environment. You know, let's

659
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.840
<v Speaker 5>not try to get blown out. But but I don't

660
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 5>think they really tried that hard to win, you I mean,

661
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 5>Jordan Love just just made some mind boggling decisions, uh,

662
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, with with with the ball and and they

663
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.360
<v Speaker 5>didn't play to their strengths. And I can't remember what

664
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.559
<v Speaker 5>point I started to really dial out and say, Okay,

665
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 5>it's been a good year. You know, they were the

666
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 5>number three team in a strong division and you know that.

667
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 5>I mean, if this is as good as it's going

668
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<v Speaker 5>to get get for them this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he's got to step up his game, Jordan Love.

670
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>If the Packers, because they've got a good young team,

671
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>just gotta hold it together. Given another shot next year.

672
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<v Speaker 1>Gary Graves is a veteran journalist just into retirement after

673
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>a long career with USA Today and EAP. Thank you,

674
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.400
<v Speaker 1>my friend. We will talk again soon. Maybe I'll get

675
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you over here to mic Garage. No sin, you have

676
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 1>more free.

677
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<v Speaker 5>Time, Oh yeah, my pleasure, man, anytime, because look, I

678
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.719
<v Speaker 5>want to get ideas on how to set up micarage

679
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:28.280
<v Speaker 5>now that I'm going to be home able to clean

680
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<v Speaker 5>it more often.

681
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 1>I'll let you talk to my wife about that. But

682
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 1>we'll get together.

683
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 5>Thanks man, all right, take care, Thanks for having me.

684
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<v Speaker 1>Hour number two is up next. Lee K. Howard from WKYT,

685
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk to us about shooting video for the Kentucky

686
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Texas A and M game from the baseline under the

687
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.159
<v Speaker 1>basket right next to the A and M bench. He

688
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 1>was there the other night. And we'll talk to Tim Sullivan,

689
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.119
<v Speaker 1>freelance journalist over in Louisville, kipped an eye on the

690
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Cats and the Cards. All of that ahead, Carol the

691
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<v Speaker 1>Big One Sider, six thirty WLAP manager, Welcome back to

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00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>the Big blon Sider, joining us now as a friend

693
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.320
<v Speaker 1>of a former colleague at w k y T.

694
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<v Speaker 5>Lee K.

695
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Howard, you see him anchoring the sports cast each night

696
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 1>at eleven and his stories has coverage of the Wildcats,

697
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and you covered leek. That Texas A and M game

698
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of hits close, see you. We've talked about this before.

699
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Your new Mexico guy who worked in Texas for quite

700
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 1>a while covered A and M. But however, what was

701
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 1>your take on that game? And I guess going in

702
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:12.760
<v Speaker 1>we knew it was going to be kind of physical,

703
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of ugly, and it was a grinder, wasn't it.

704
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.719
<v Speaker 6>It really was, you know, And I think that the

705
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:22.039
<v Speaker 6>fact that it was exactly what we anticipated it to be,

706
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.599
<v Speaker 6>and Kentucky was able to kind of rise to that

707
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.440
<v Speaker 6>challenge and in many ways beat A and M at

708
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.039
<v Speaker 6>their own games. Yeah, says a lot about this team.

709
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.320
<v Speaker 6>And so, like we knew the first of all that

710
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:36.639
<v Speaker 6>the you know, the book is out there against this

711
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.400
<v Speaker 6>Kentucky team, and even the words soft has been floated

712
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:42.280
<v Speaker 6>around that the way to beat this Kentucky team is

713
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.239
<v Speaker 6>to kind of be physical with them and rough them

714
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.320
<v Speaker 6>up a little bit. And that's how A and M

715
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:48.760
<v Speaker 6>plays anyway, and they, you know, the number one team

716
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 6>in the nation and offensive rebounding, so we knew that

717
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.719
<v Speaker 6>was going to be a challenge. And then for Kentucky

718
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 6>to come out and play arguably its best defensive game,

719
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 6>especially you know against the you know, similar level you know,

720
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.960
<v Speaker 6>talent of the season, and then to win the boards

721
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 6>by ten, you know, I mean, that says a lot

722
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 6>really about how this team is. And then you know,

723
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 6>the thing that I like the most about what Mark

724
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 6>Pope said during the postgame kind of to that point

725
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 6>was he he didn't use the word coachable, but he

726
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 6>said every single thing, this may be the team that

727
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:28.679
<v Speaker 6>is the easiest to learn new things.

728
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 5>So to speak.

729
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:33.400
<v Speaker 6>You know, like everything that they've thrown at them this year,

730
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.440
<v Speaker 6>whether it was Okay, they're not doing great on ball

731
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 6>screen defense, or they're not being as physical, or you know,

732
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 6>we've seen some deficiencies in certain games. He says, they've

733
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 6>addressed those things, and these guys want to learn and

734
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 6>they make that kind of adjustment. So, yeah, that was

735
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 6>the most impressive thing I saw about that game the

736
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:51.000
<v Speaker 6>other night.

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<v Speaker 1>You shot the game correct from sitting under the baseline

738
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:57.480
<v Speaker 1>or under the bucket on the baseline, right near the

739
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.239
<v Speaker 1>A and M bench, And I talked to our addy,

740
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Steve Moss a lot about that. He loves to hear

741
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>what they have to say on the bench, you know,

742
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.159
<v Speaker 1>either yelling at the at the other the other team,

743
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:09.599
<v Speaker 1>or the coach, the coach letting the referees have a

744
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 1>piece of his mind. But I'm wondering what it was

745
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 1>like a game that physical. What did you notice when

746
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>you were down there so close to the action.

747
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 6>Okay, that's a really good question, because I don't think

748
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 6>I've ever been asked. You know, you do get a

749
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 6>front row seat to the opposing bench, and every bench

750
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 6>is a little bit different, and there are certainly benches

751
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 6>that are chirpier than others. You know, you have some

752
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.719
<v Speaker 6>that are that are a little bit quieter, and then

753
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.239
<v Speaker 6>you've got a couple where you've got the managers to

754
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 6>the video coordinator guy talking. We made a comment, me

755
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 6>and a couple of people that were sitting on the

756
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.119
<v Speaker 6>floor right next to that bench the other night, this

757
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:51.239
<v Speaker 6>is one of the chirpiest teams we've ever been around.

758
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 6>Really like they they were active, and I think a

759
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 6>lot of that had to do with Wayde Taylor, who

760
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 6>is their best player, probably at least best offensive player,

761
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:04.519
<v Speaker 6>didn't play and you know, he missed a couple of games,

762
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 6>but he was on the bench and kind of leading that,

763
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, that charge on the bench. Yeah, and I

764
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.079
<v Speaker 6>think when you've got kind of a leader on the

765
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 6>bench as opposed to on the court, you know that

766
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 6>his natural like chirpiness, I guess takes over. And so

767
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 6>it was kind of interesting because I mean, you saw

768
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 6>they got a technical foul in the first half early

769
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.239
<v Speaker 6>on for a couple of them almost came out in

770
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.280
<v Speaker 6>front of you know, a bunch of us photographers on

771
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:35.199
<v Speaker 6>the floor. They were, they were that active. So it

772
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.280
<v Speaker 6>was yeah, I mean that's kind of buzz Williams though

773
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 6>as far as like he wants his guys gritty and

774
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 6>into it and that kind of thing. And so yeah,

775
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.039
<v Speaker 6>that's that's certainly was the case.

776
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.440
<v Speaker 1>We mentioned you coming to this part of the country

777
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>from that part of the country. Uh, basketball will never

778
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>catch up with football. I realized that. You know, I

779
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.800
<v Speaker 1>lived in Texas for a couple of years, but there

780
00:44:56.920 --> 00:45:01.719
<v Speaker 1>is so much more awareness and appreciation for basketball now,

781
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe now more than ever in that part of the world.

782
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Do you see it that way? And why do you

783
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 1>think that is?

784
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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, as far as A and M is

785
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.760
<v Speaker 6>concerned and now Texas and everything, I mean, the SEC

786
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:21.400
<v Speaker 6>I think is that it's peak right now of where

787
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.480
<v Speaker 6>it's been as a conference as a whole, you know,

788
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:29.360
<v Speaker 6>in in the sport. And so I think that you know,

789
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.400
<v Speaker 6>just by being in this conference, you're going to see

790
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 6>teams out west have to elevate their game. And you know,

791
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 6>I don't know that. You know, football is always going

792
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 6>to be football, and you know, from the NFL to

793
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:46.360
<v Speaker 6>college football, that's that's what drives the dollars, that's what

794
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.400
<v Speaker 6>people tune in to watch. But basketball is not far behind,

795
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, and no one understands that better than people

796
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.800
<v Speaker 6>in this state because basketball has always been at a

797
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.079
<v Speaker 6>level that is the rivals football, whether you want to

798
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:04.199
<v Speaker 6>say football, basketball, whatever, not in a lot of states

799
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 6>can say, you know, it is football. You know there's

800
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.599
<v Speaker 6>there's not a rival. So yeah, so it is. It

801
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 6>is interesting, you know, and Kentucky fans probably get that

802
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 6>better than anybody. Maybe Kansas or North Carolina. You could

803
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.360
<v Speaker 6>throw and you know people in those states could could

804
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 6>kind of see the same way. But yeah, and just

805
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 6>with the SEC this year, with nine ranked teams in

806
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.960
<v Speaker 6>the top twenty five and projected twelve to make the

807
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.000
<v Speaker 6>NCAA tournament, it's absurd, you know how good the competition is.

808
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 6>And I think it's great. I mean it's it's great

809
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:41.159
<v Speaker 6>for everybody involved, watching, playing, coaching, you know, covering in

810
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 6>the media.

811
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:43.679
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's it's it's great to be a part of it.

812
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Things are leveling off though. I mean, these teams that

813
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.239
<v Speaker 1>had gaudy records now that have won zero or one

814
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:53.360
<v Speaker 1>game in the SEC. That was kind of predictive because

815
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.679
<v Speaker 1>you knew they start beating up on each other. But

816
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, one of my theories about basketball, and I

817
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>know you've been alecxing it for quite some time. But

818
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I really believe that the growth of March Madness, which

819
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 1>of course is on w k YT, has been forever.

820
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>You see schools, especially the Cinderella schools, that for a

821
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 1>weekend or two or two solid weeks are making headlines

822
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 1>because they become destinies, darlings, and you know, schools you

823
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 1>never even think about are suddenly making headlines. And I

824
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.599
<v Speaker 1>wondered if like school presidents and chancellors and board members

825
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>are saying, hey, why aren't we in on that, let's

826
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>play better basketball. Maybe we can get some of that publicity,

827
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.679
<v Speaker 1>you know. And now you see schools spending more money

828
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:44.599
<v Speaker 1>on facilities, coaches, and now nil uh players. Yeah exactly

829
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 1>do you do you see.

830
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Any of that?

831
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense?

832
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it absolutely does. And I think that's that, you know,

833
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 6>that's the magic of college basketball in the tournament. And

834
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:59.199
<v Speaker 6>I'm not for necessarily expanding to allow more, but there's

835
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.760
<v Speaker 6>enough right now sixty eight teams. And you know, I

836
00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:04.440
<v Speaker 6>was forward to play in games they added several years

837
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.400
<v Speaker 6>ago or hover long ago that was in Dayton, to

838
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 6>give a few more of those usually mid major teams

839
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:14.280
<v Speaker 6>or double teams a chance. But you know, maybe that's

840
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.440
<v Speaker 6>one thing that some of these these schools with the

841
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.920
<v Speaker 6>transfer portal, they they see an opportunity that you know,

842
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:25.039
<v Speaker 6>maybe we can compete, you know, we can win our

843
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:29.000
<v Speaker 6>league and have a shot. Yeah, and you know, and

844
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:33.480
<v Speaker 6>I think just in general, the talent across the country

845
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 6>is a whole lot more spread out, you know, in

846
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 6>the last five six years than it was a decade

847
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.320
<v Speaker 6>or so ago. You know, your your blue bloods are

848
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:42.840
<v Speaker 6>still your blue bloods, but you you know, you still

849
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 6>have talent spread out, and you see that every year

850
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.199
<v Speaker 6>because honestly, if unfortunately for those smaller schools, if you

851
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:53.320
<v Speaker 6>have one of those Jenni Brooms or you know, those

852
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 6>guys on they usually get plucked by a power five,

853
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 6>power four school. But at least that exist and so

854
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:03.320
<v Speaker 6>so yeah, the parody of college basketball will never be duplicated.

855
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.400
<v Speaker 6>I love what college football is doing because at least

856
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 6>having twelve teams you get a little bit of parody.

857
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.880
<v Speaker 6>I think that goes to sixteen pretty soon. But I

858
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 6>think that's football saying, hey, we see the magic of

859
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.400
<v Speaker 6>the basketball in CAA tournament and what that can do.

860
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.960
<v Speaker 6>And they've tried to you know to their scale, try

861
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.239
<v Speaker 6>to duplicate that a little bit. But yeah, I think

862
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:29.840
<v Speaker 6>college basketball as a whole is only growing in popularity

863
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.960
<v Speaker 6>and it's always been popular, but you know, it's it's

864
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.760
<v Speaker 6>the magic of the tournament. It's the magic of you know,

865
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.280
<v Speaker 6>what teams can do lot and where these kids came

866
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 6>from Fairleigh, Dickinson and wherever in the world to compete.

867
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:43.840
<v Speaker 6>So I think, yeah, it's it's at a really good spot.

868
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Right now is Lee K. Howard from w KYT. We'll

869
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:48.360
<v Speaker 1>talk more sports with him on the other side of

870
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the break here on a big New Insiders six thirty.

871
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.039
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back with chatting with Lee K. Howard, anchor reporter

872
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.599
<v Speaker 1>from WKYT. And of course you can see the Wildcats

873
00:49:56.639 --> 00:50:00.360
<v Speaker 1>play whenever CBS has a game, and the INSA coming

874
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:03.599
<v Speaker 1>up in March. By the excitement for Mark Pope, I

875
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>can't imagine. Of course, it'll be predicated on how well

876
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the team is playing going into the SEC tournament and

877
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 1>all but you and Brian and Steve Moss and everybody

878
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.639
<v Speaker 1>over there. You got to be loving because I think

879
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 1>the Big Blue Nation was starting to approach the NCAA

880
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.280
<v Speaker 1>tournament with a sense of dread toward the end of

881
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the John Caliperio era. But now it's it's going to

882
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 1>be crazy, I think come tournament time.

883
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.559
<v Speaker 6>Yes, you know, you know Pope has earned so much

884
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:37.800
<v Speaker 6>equity right now from the fan base that you know,

885
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 6>you don't want to say that nothing would be considered

886
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.119
<v Speaker 6>a failure because obviously, you know, losing out the first

887
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 6>weekend of the tournament, nobody would want to see that,

888
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 6>or poor showing at the SEC tournament. But you know,

889
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.519
<v Speaker 6>at this point, I think everybody since the moment he

890
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.480
<v Speaker 6>was hired, there was a bit of a hesitation of like,

891
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:56.960
<v Speaker 6>we know, we like this guy, he's one of our own.

892
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.400
<v Speaker 6>We know that, you know that things could be looked up,

893
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.079
<v Speaker 6>but there was always like a little bit of a

894
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 6>hesitation of like, okay, but can he do it on

895
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.719
<v Speaker 6>the court. And no matter what happens from this point on,

896
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.400
<v Speaker 6>and they're gonna look, I'm pretty they're gonna lose some

897
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.480
<v Speaker 6>games in SEC. They're not running the table here. I mean,

898
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.840
<v Speaker 6>they've lost to Georgia, but like, there's some really really

899
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 6>tough games on this schedule still to go before we

900
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:23.320
<v Speaker 6>get to any sort of tournament. But to have top five,

901
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 6>top twenty five, really five top fifteen wins already on

902
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:31.960
<v Speaker 6>your schedule, and you know this, this team has proven

903
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.239
<v Speaker 6>so much at this point that you know it's gonna

904
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 6>be hard for this season to be viewed as a

905
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 6>failure no matter what happens, just because of what they've

906
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 6>been able to do so far. So, you know, and

907
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:48.599
<v Speaker 6>it's funny, you're you're you were part of the media,

908
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 6>you still are for much longer than me, and you're

909
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 6>not supposed to technically, like you know, cheer for you know,

910
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 6>a team or whatever, you know, and you can still

911
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 6>do your job, but you find yourself just wanting Pope

912
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 6>and these guys to succeed so much. You know, you

913
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.960
<v Speaker 6>want to see them, you know, many of them with

914
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 6>their backstories of this wasn't ever a place they ever

915
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.119
<v Speaker 6>thought that they should be or they would be to

916
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 6>now like not only are they here, their succeeding and

917
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 6>they're doing it together, and it's it's just there's a

918
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:21.920
<v Speaker 6>different level of joy and like as you as you

919
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 6>mentioned a second ago, there was this hesitation of like okay,

920
00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 6>what but what's going to go wrong?

921
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:27.360
<v Speaker 5>Right?

922
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.239
<v Speaker 6>Like we're up, we're up seven in this game, but

923
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:33.079
<v Speaker 6>there's still eight minutes to play. This can still this

924
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 6>can still go terribly wrong once you start trying to

925
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.679
<v Speaker 6>dribble the the air out of the ball, right, But

926
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:43.119
<v Speaker 6>now it's like, okay, we're down seven, and now what's

927
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.119
<v Speaker 6>this team going to do and what is Mark Pope

928
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 6>going to adjust to make them? You know out outside

929
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.719
<v Speaker 6>of the Georgia game, we've seen them really kind of

930
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:52.599
<v Speaker 6>adjust each game.

931
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, the Ohio State, you know, there was a

932
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 1>little bit that's true, but you know, but yeah, they

933
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:03.000
<v Speaker 1>did make an hotest run. But yeah, it has been interesting,

934
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, watching these guys learn together and you know,

935
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.000
<v Speaker 1>seeing a guy like Travis Perry getting minutes because Kirk

936
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.960
<v Speaker 1>creases down. So uh uh, you're right. You know, you

937
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.000
<v Speaker 1>institutionally you try to maintain your objectivity because that's how

938
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>you you can be truer to the story. But you

939
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>you wind up rooting for the people themselves, don't you.

940
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:25.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, you grow, you go to like these folks,

941
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:29.119
<v Speaker 1>and uh, they're very likable, they.

942
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 6>Really are, you know, And I tell people all the time, like,

943
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 6>I can I can do my job and be objective

944
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 6>at the same time, I try to believe me if

945
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.039
<v Speaker 6>if something went wrong with the program or they weren't winning.

946
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:40.440
<v Speaker 6>I'm not going to paint this, you know, rosy picture

947
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 6>of everything's going perfectly. You know, it's our job to

948
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 6>have a voice that's a little bit bigger maybe than others.

949
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 6>I mean with social media, everybody has a voice now, right,

950
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 6>but we we have a little bit more of a platform.

951
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:54.480
<v Speaker 5>In many ways.

952
00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:59.920
<v Speaker 6>And you know, you can you know I've told someone before,

953
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.159
<v Speaker 6>are like, because I didn't grow up a Kentucky fan, right,

954
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:04.599
<v Speaker 6>I grew up a Texas Tech fan of all things.

955
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:08.320
<v Speaker 6>But when you are immersed in a culture of being

956
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:10.960
<v Speaker 6>around these kids, whether it's the basketball team or the

957
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 6>swimming team or the rifle team or whatever, you find

958
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:20.559
<v Speaker 6>yourself somewhat rooting for these athletes because the large majority

959
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 6>are really good people, right, and so you want them

960
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:25.679
<v Speaker 6>to do well. You want this to succeed. I think

961
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.239
<v Speaker 6>that's a natural inclination. And if they don't, you know,

962
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:33.519
<v Speaker 6>you report that as well. And so, but just from

963
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:37.079
<v Speaker 6>a fan standpoint, I think everybody just connects with this

964
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 6>particular Kentucky basketball team really well. They've got their collection. Yeah,

965
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.679
<v Speaker 6>you mentioned Travis Perry and Trent Noen. Those guys are

966
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.199
<v Speaker 6>going to be natural for people to gravitate toward because

967
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.599
<v Speaker 6>of their upbringing. But just you know an Anley Almanor

968
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.760
<v Speaker 6>who grew up in New York with a Kentucky poster

969
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:57.599
<v Speaker 6>on his wall. You know, that's kind of a cool deal,

970
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.360
<v Speaker 6>you know, like okay, you know, and then you know,

971
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:03.599
<v Speaker 6>who knows when Amari Williams from Nottingham, England ever even

972
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:08.400
<v Speaker 6>knew what Kentucky basketball was, but people have embraced him

973
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:11.480
<v Speaker 6>and he's loving it, you know. And so yeah, there's

974
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 6>just so many great personalities on this team. And then

975
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 6>their response. They're so openness to the fans and the

976
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 6>BBN and you know, just even the lap around the

977
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 6>rep arena at the end of the game. You know,

978
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 6>it's just they are making a concerted effort to be

979
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.440
<v Speaker 6>connected to the fan base, and so it's natural for

980
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:32.840
<v Speaker 6>the fans to be connected to them.

981
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:35.800
<v Speaker 1>A few minutes left with Lee K. Howard from WKYT

982
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and all these things, these wonderful things we're saying about

983
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Mark Posts program, you could say virtually the same about

984
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Kenny Brooks's program as well. And they've got you know,

985
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.519
<v Speaker 1>kids are transferred in from Virginia Tech, but you know,

986
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 1>kids from overseas who might have known what Kentucky was,

987
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.000
<v Speaker 1>but now you talk about putting UK women's basketball back

988
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:58.599
<v Speaker 1>on the map has been pretty impressive.

989
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, I jokingly said to Kenny Brooks and said,

990
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:04.519
<v Speaker 6>how mad are you at Mark Pope for coming in

991
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:06.880
<v Speaker 6>and stilling your thunder? And and you know it's like

992
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.360
<v Speaker 6>because because let's you know, let's pretend nothing ever happened

993
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:14.039
<v Speaker 6>to the men's programs. The women's program would be all

994
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.679
<v Speaker 6>of the headlines, you know, with the way that they're

995
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:18.440
<v Speaker 6>doing it, and uh, you know, I saw the other

996
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:22.639
<v Speaker 6>day it was like there's there are three women's SEC

997
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.480
<v Speaker 6>programs undefeated, and it was your usual suspects of South

998
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.480
<v Speaker 6>Carolina and LSU and then oh yeah, Kentucky. You know,

999
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:35.400
<v Speaker 6>you know, just the way that Georgia Amore has been

1000
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:38.079
<v Speaker 6>able to, you know, run that team. And then I

1001
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:41.639
<v Speaker 6>tell you that Clara Strack and she's young, she's got

1002
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 6>so much potential. And then you know, just even like

1003
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:48.320
<v Speaker 6>Amelia Hassett, the other Australian girl, that's just they you know,

1004
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:51.199
<v Speaker 6>you go into these matchups in Kentucky for the longest time,

1005
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 6>even when Matthew Mitchell had it rolling and he had

1006
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:57.400
<v Speaker 6>some really good teams, they were always undersized. Y they

1007
00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:59.559
<v Speaker 6>just beat you. They beat you defensively, they beat you

1008
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.480
<v Speaker 6>with forty minutes of dread they did. But this, but

1009
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.119
<v Speaker 6>man Kenny Brooks has put together probably one of the

1010
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 6>tallest teams in the SEC. And it's they're so much

1011
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 6>fun to watch.

1012
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they really are. And Georgia Amore worth the price

1013
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of admission, you know, and what a luxury to have

1014
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:18.880
<v Speaker 1>her on the court. And I heard a story you

1015
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>might have heard the same anecdote that, uh, there were

1016
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:24.320
<v Speaker 1>some people in the SEC who thought, oh, Kentucky's got

1017
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:26.800
<v Speaker 1>a new coach. Okay, that's fine. But then when they

1018
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:31.679
<v Speaker 1>heard Georgia Aymore was coming, now they've got their attention, like, oh,

1019
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 1>they've got her. Well, now we've got to pay attention

1020
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 1>to Kentucky. And you can see why.

1021
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:38.559
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, you know.

1022
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:42.119
<v Speaker 6>And and unfortunately Kentucky only gets her for one year,

1023
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.639
<v Speaker 6>but I think it's important that we got her for

1024
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.800
<v Speaker 6>this one year to kind of establish things. And with

1025
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 6>the success that he's having now he's already got a

1026
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.280
<v Speaker 6>couple in his recruiting class. But you know, players are

1027
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 6>going to want to come and play to be the

1028
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 6>next Georgia Amore, you know, just like it happens on

1029
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.440
<v Speaker 6>the men's program. And you know, I just think it's

1030
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.880
<v Speaker 6>so vital for both of these coaches. We were talking

1031
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.599
<v Speaker 6>about Pope as well, but to establish themselves in year

1032
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:13.159
<v Speaker 6>one and it's just that, yes, that's great for this year,

1033
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:15.840
<v Speaker 6>but I hope people are also seeing the bigger picture

1034
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:22.079
<v Speaker 6>of you're establishing your legacy, your your program, not for

1035
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:24.880
<v Speaker 6>just this year, but for the years going forward. And

1036
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.159
<v Speaker 6>so like what Kenny Brooks has been able to do

1037
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.119
<v Speaker 6>with this group, and so many of them will be

1038
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.199
<v Speaker 6>back and he'll lose a few, like you know that

1039
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.559
<v Speaker 6>are that are you know daisire law Uh Lawrence? I

1040
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:38.880
<v Speaker 6>believe she's a Yeah, she's a senior as well. And

1041
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.400
<v Speaker 6>but you mean you're gonna have some coming in and

1042
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:46.440
<v Speaker 6>I just the trajectory of both of these programs. It's

1043
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:50.800
<v Speaker 6>it's just such a different feeling around those facilities than

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00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 6>it was a year ago.

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00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.960
<v Speaker 1>It's fun right now, and it's been fun like this before. Uh,

1046
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.199
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you've got to got to be vigilant

1047
00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:59.800
<v Speaker 1>because you never know when it won't be fun. But

1048
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.480
<v Speaker 1>right now, enjoy it while we can and enjoy Lee K.

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00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Howard's coverage for WKYT, and I'm sure we will speak again.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you maybe Saturday. That's going to be a

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00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 1>good one. Kentucky Alabama, but I've.

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00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:14.320
<v Speaker 6>Heard Alabama's pretty good.

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00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.519
<v Speaker 1>They're pretty good, brother, and they got beat the other

1054
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:19.000
<v Speaker 1>nice that they're going to be angry coming in. Thank you, sir,

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00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 1>my best of the missus and stay.

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00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.039
<v Speaker 6>Warm, okay, thank you Dick.

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00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.559
<v Speaker 1>And of course Lee k is married to the wonderful

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00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Christian Kennedy, an anchor for WKYT, and as I mentioned earlier,

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00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.559
<v Speaker 1>he is a New Mexico native but went to I

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00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:38.239
<v Speaker 1>think West Texas State and he covered Texas Tech when

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00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I think when Bob Knight was there, covered basketball there.

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00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:46.159
<v Speaker 1>So he's told us some stories, very interesting. But I

1063
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:49.719
<v Speaker 1>enjoy talking to photographers videographers who get to shoot from

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00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the baseline. Boy, do they have stories to tell. More

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00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 1>stories coming up with Tim Sullivan, freelance writer over in

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00:59:55.280 --> 00:59:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Louisville here on six thirty WLAP welcome back to the

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00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Big Blue Sider joining us sounds a long time friend

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01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.559
<v Speaker 1>of the show and a guy who has covered sports

1069
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.079
<v Speaker 1>from coast to coast in this country, and that is

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01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Tim Sullivan, who has gone from Cincinnati, San Diego to Louisville.

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01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Freelance writer now in Louisville as he keeps an eye

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01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:16.400
<v Speaker 1>on all things sports and Tim, welcome back. We haven't

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01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.480
<v Speaker 1>chatted in a while. Are you staying warm over there?

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01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 7>No, I'm staying inside though, so I'm trying to avoid

1075
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:27.800
<v Speaker 7>the snow and the ice.

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01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 1>Had a boy good to hear. Well, I know you've

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01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:33.199
<v Speaker 1>been checking out both the Cats and the Cards from

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01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the other end of the interstate. And as a as

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01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:38.840
<v Speaker 1>a journalist, as a guy who's told a lot of stories,

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01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:41.840
<v Speaker 1>what do you think of the way this Kentucky story

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01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:45.119
<v Speaker 1>is unfolding with You know, we talked a while back

1082
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:47.400
<v Speaker 1>about Mark Pope coming in, but you know the fact

1083
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that he had to cobble this team together and now

1084
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:54.079
<v Speaker 1>they are one of the better teams in the country,

1085
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:55.559
<v Speaker 1>to the surprise of a lot of people.

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01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 7>You know, I had a conversation with a Kentucky fan who,

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01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:08.239
<v Speaker 7>uh was was critical when I suggested that Pat Kelsey

1088
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:13.159
<v Speaker 7>might be the national coach of the year, and he said, well,

1089
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:15.440
<v Speaker 7>you know, look at what Mark Pope has done. I said, well,

1090
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:19.840
<v Speaker 7>you know, what he's done is undeniably impressive, and you know,

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01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:26.360
<v Speaker 7>to put an entire roster together in a single season

1092
01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:29.599
<v Speaker 7>and get them to play as well as they have

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01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 7>is you know, certainly to his credit. But you know,

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01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.679
<v Speaker 7>I don't think that he was starting from the same

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01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:41.800
<v Speaker 7>base that Kelsey was. I mean, the Louisville program was

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01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:48.840
<v Speaker 7>really in tatters when when Kenny Paine left. Uh, you know,

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01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:53.519
<v Speaker 7>with all the traditions, the resources support, the history of

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01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:58.039
<v Speaker 7>blah blah blah that that Kentucky has. I have to

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01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:00.559
<v Speaker 7>give Kelsey a little edge because you know, he didn't

1100
01:02:01.719 --> 01:02:04.679
<v Speaker 7>he didn't have all that. You know, obviously there's a

1101
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 7>lot of history with the Louisville program, but it's become

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01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:12.599
<v Speaker 7>a little more remote of wait, and you know, if

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01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:16.119
<v Speaker 7>the two of those coaches finished one two in either

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01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:21.760
<v Speaker 7>order in the Coach of the Year voting, you know,

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01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:23.519
<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't object that.

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01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:27.840
<v Speaker 7>I think sometimes we get a little myopic around here

1108
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.000
<v Speaker 7>and we think that you know, everything our balls around

1109
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:31.039
<v Speaker 7>those two programs.

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01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:33.679
<v Speaker 5>There is a there are forty.

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01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:40.840
<v Speaker 7>Nine other states, not counta Canada ann but you know,

1112
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 7>it's tremendously impressive and I think it's revitalized basketball within

1113
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:52.079
<v Speaker 7>the state and both fan bases I think are extremely

1114
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.360
<v Speaker 7>pleased with their new guy.

1115
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:58.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And you know what I find really fascinating as well,

1116
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the latest chapter for Kentucky and you've you're a career

1117
01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 1>media guy, is you know how many times have we

1118
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:09.960
<v Speaker 1>heard coaches and players say, we don't pay attention to

1119
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.639
<v Speaker 1>what's being said in the media the fan, we don't

1120
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 1>hear the noise. We tune it out. And yet the

1121
01:03:15.639 --> 01:03:20.320
<v Speaker 1>storyline was becoming, Hey, this Kentucky team, they're talented, they're fun,

1122
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.119
<v Speaker 1>but they're a little soft, you know, because of the

1123
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:27.760
<v Speaker 1>three losses, it seemed like they were physically beaten, maybe

1124
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:32.119
<v Speaker 1>a little intimidated, and they flat out admitted tim after

1125
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 1>this win the other night, that it was important to

1126
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:36.800
<v Speaker 1>them to show that they weren't. They said, you know,

1127
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:40.440
<v Speaker 1>they basically admitted, we heard it and we wanted to

1128
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:44.199
<v Speaker 1>respond to it. I've been around for a while as

1129
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:47.000
<v Speaker 1>you have. I don't know that I've ever heard coaches

1130
01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:48.920
<v Speaker 1>or players admit to that. You know what I mean.

1131
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.639
<v Speaker 7>Well, I think the culture of sports has changed to

1132
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:57.079
<v Speaker 7>a large extent because of social media, and it's it's

1133
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:03.199
<v Speaker 7>very difficult for young kids to avoid the noise, as

1134
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:08.079
<v Speaker 7>they describe it. You can insulate yourself to a certain

1135
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:11.920
<v Speaker 7>extent but uh, you know, if you're on X or

1136
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:16.760
<v Speaker 7>Twitter or whatever it's called today, you're going to get

1137
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:22.719
<v Speaker 7>quite a lot of amateur advice, and it's it's not

1138
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:28.480
<v Speaker 7>always gentle. So you know, I think that in this

1139
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:36.000
<v Speaker 7>environment thing, and you know, coaches will will sometimes say,

1140
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.760
<v Speaker 7>you know, I don't want you guys on social media,

1141
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:42.039
<v Speaker 7>but you know you're going to hear about it one

1142
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:46.239
<v Speaker 7>way or another, you know, either directly or you know

1143
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 7>someone in your family say what this guy said about

1144
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:53.679
<v Speaker 7>you or that, And you know that's so much different

1145
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:58.320
<v Speaker 7>than uh, you know what most of the the athletes

1146
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:03.119
<v Speaker 7>that I've covered, you know, for decades, the experience that

1147
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:03.840
<v Speaker 7>they've had.

1148
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:08.960
<v Speaker 5>The ability to weather that to deal with it.

1149
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:11.840
<v Speaker 7>You know, I think it to some extent it toughens

1150
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:17.679
<v Speaker 7>these guys up responding to it as as Kentucky has

1151
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:20.559
<v Speaker 7>and acknowledging it. I think it's pretty healthy.

1152
01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:25.559
<v Speaker 1>As you watch this Kentucky team, are you surprised at

1153
01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:28.679
<v Speaker 1>what you see? Because there have been so many different

1154
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.599
<v Speaker 1>they've they've they've won track meets, they've won grind them outs,

1155
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, and they've had come from behind wins. What's

1156
01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:39.840
<v Speaker 1>been your experience as you watch this season unfold.

1157
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:43.480
<v Speaker 7>Well, I you know, I think that any team that

1158
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:47.559
<v Speaker 7>has been assembled as Kentucky's has is going to have

1159
01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:51.159
<v Speaker 7>some growing pains, Yeah, just because of a lack of

1160
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:52.639
<v Speaker 7>familiarity with each other.

1161
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:53.559
<v Speaker 5>And this was.

1162
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:59.360
<v Speaker 7>I think a big problem during the Calipari era, where

1163
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:03.400
<v Speaker 7>who is turning over the roster every year and you know,

1164
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:08.599
<v Speaker 7>was starting from scratch with the freshman dominated team. I

1165
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:13.760
<v Speaker 7>think the transfer portal has changed that to a certain

1166
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:19.199
<v Speaker 7>extent and you get an opportunity to deal with, you know,

1167
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:25.039
<v Speaker 7>a more seasoned roster than maybe we've seen at UK

1168
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 7>in recent years. But there's just a purific amount of

1169
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.920
<v Speaker 7>talent there. And you know, when in doubt, I always

1170
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:36.400
<v Speaker 7>always go with the more talented team and think, you know,

1171
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:40.960
<v Speaker 7>eventually they'll figure it out. And their ability to play

1172
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:46.480
<v Speaker 7>different styles and adapt, you know, I think is really

1173
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.519
<v Speaker 7>going to leave them in good stead when when the

1174
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.920
<v Speaker 7>tournament comes around. I you know, last time I looked,

1175
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:57.039
<v Speaker 7>the SEC had five or six of the top ten

1176
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:02.440
<v Speaker 7>country and that's you know, uh, and we always hear

1177
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:04.760
<v Speaker 7>about you know, s he speak football and what a

1178
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:09.599
<v Speaker 7>grind it is to get through a season. Well, uh,

1179
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.559
<v Speaker 7>the same is true in basketball, and maybe right now

1180
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:18.639
<v Speaker 7>to a greater extent in basketball, and and I saw

1181
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:22.119
<v Speaker 7>Tennessee early in the season that was very impressed. I

1182
01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:27.760
<v Speaker 7>really haven't seen Auburn, but ah, you know, I think

1183
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.519
<v Speaker 7>that the depth of that league and the talent at

1184
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:34.360
<v Speaker 7>the top is you're going to see a lot of

1185
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:36.679
<v Speaker 7>very high seeds in Mark.

1186
01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:41.079
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned Caliperry. How surprised are you with the way

1187
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:46.599
<v Speaker 1>his team has started a SEC play, Well, you.

1188
01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:50.360
<v Speaker 7>Know, somewhat but not entirely.

1189
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:50.760
<v Speaker 5>But I.

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01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.159
<v Speaker 7>Can't read his mind. And I you know, I think

1191
01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:59.599
<v Speaker 7>Arkansas is a different animal than Kentucky and you don't

1192
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:06.719
<v Speaker 7>have quite the same expectations or uh, I guess, uh,

1193
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:11.800
<v Speaker 7>you know ceiling that that you do. And you know,

1194
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.280
<v Speaker 7>I think there's there were questions towards the end of

1195
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:21.279
<v Speaker 7>his tenure in Lexington about you know, whether whether he

1196
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:26.079
<v Speaker 7>had lost a step or was motivated, was able to

1197
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:32.640
<v Speaker 7>use his formula with you know, freshman dominated teams, uh

1198
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:39.840
<v Speaker 7>to compete with more experienced teams in this transfer portal

1199
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:45.279
<v Speaker 7>anile era. And I think he's smart enough to adapt.

1200
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:50.319
<v Speaker 7>But uh, the SEC, as I just said, is is

1201
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:53.640
<v Speaker 7>not a place that that you want to get your

1202
01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:58.720
<v Speaker 7>training wheels on because you're you're operating with a high

1203
01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:02.439
<v Speaker 7>level of competition and if you're not ready to go,

1204
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:03.920
<v Speaker 7>feel it.

1205
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:07.439
<v Speaker 1>We're talking with freelance writer Tim Sullivan. He's over at

1206
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:09.279
<v Speaker 1>the other end of the interstate and Louisville. Will come

1207
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:12.520
<v Speaker 1>back and talk more college basketball in just a minute

1208
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.720
<v Speaker 1>here on a Big Blue Sider. We're talking with Tim Sullivan,

1209
01:09:15.800 --> 01:09:18.239
<v Speaker 1>freelance journalist over in Louisville. He's kept an eye on

1210
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:20.239
<v Speaker 1>the Cats and the Cards, and we talked about the

1211
01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:24.800
<v Speaker 1>two coaches, Kelsey and Pope off the top. How from

1212
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:26.760
<v Speaker 1>a guy who's only been able to look in on

1213
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:29.880
<v Speaker 1>TV a little bit, Tim, how has Kelsey done this?

1214
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Because he's got some talent on his roster, but it's

1215
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:36.600
<v Speaker 1>not exactly guys where the NBA scouts are knocking his

1216
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:39.359
<v Speaker 1>door down. So what's been the secret to his success

1217
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:39.760
<v Speaker 1>so far?

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01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.560
<v Speaker 7>Well, I think a lot of it is some of

1219
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:50.960
<v Speaker 7>the players they brought with him from College of Charleston

1220
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:56.920
<v Speaker 7>Blanket for a second there, you know, And he's been

1221
01:09:56.960 --> 01:10:01.960
<v Speaker 7>able to withstand some pretty serious injuries at once. They

1222
01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:06.000
<v Speaker 7>were very depleted, and you know, I thought that they

1223
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:10.239
<v Speaker 7>were improved, but I I certainly didn't expect them to

1224
01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:13.359
<v Speaker 7>be going on a seven game winning streak and and

1225
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:18.760
<v Speaker 7>winning UH at pitt and beating North Carolina, and UH,

1226
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:24.880
<v Speaker 7>I had thought to that. I think he's got so

1227
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:26.479
<v Speaker 7>much energy and it's.

1228
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:28.199
<v Speaker 5>It has.

1229
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:34.239
<v Speaker 7>Translated to to the fans, and I think the team

1230
01:10:34.319 --> 01:10:37.479
<v Speaker 7>has responded to him in a way that you know,

1231
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:41.560
<v Speaker 7>they really didn't for either Kenny Payne or or Chris

1232
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:42.199
<v Speaker 7>mack and.

1233
01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:43.720
<v Speaker 2>H.

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01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:49.479
<v Speaker 7>There is a an energy around the program that that

1235
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:53.880
<v Speaker 7>I really haven't felt since UH, since Fristino left. But

1236
01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:59.960
<v Speaker 7>you know, I I think that this team is probably

1237
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:04.840
<v Speaker 7>we UH looking at it, you know, maybe six or

1238
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:08.439
<v Speaker 7>seventh seeded at this point. And at the start of

1239
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:10.479
<v Speaker 7>the season, I thought, well, you know, if they get

1240
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:13.640
<v Speaker 7>in the tournament, that would be a tremendous feat. But

1241
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:17.840
<v Speaker 7>you know, the expectations are higher now. You win seven

1242
01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:20.479
<v Speaker 7>in a row, you're going to get people's attention. And

1243
01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:27.399
<v Speaker 7>you know, I think that they are on an upward

1244
01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:32.159
<v Speaker 7>trajectory that that I think most of us would have

1245
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:34.439
<v Speaker 7>thought it would have taken a couple of years. But

1246
01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:37.439
<v Speaker 7>you know, the great thing about the transfer portal is

1247
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:44.239
<v Speaker 7>that you can revise things very quickly. You have the

1248
01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:49.000
<v Speaker 7>ni own money in place and in the system that

1249
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:52.319
<v Speaker 7>that appeals to too high end talent.

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<v Speaker 1>I was texting back and forth with my brother dead

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01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:58.880
<v Speaker 1>or night. He went to Louisville, played in the pep

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01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:01.479
<v Speaker 1>band many back when they were going to the Final

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01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:03.640
<v Speaker 1>four in the early eighties, so a long time fan.

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<v Speaker 1>But he said, very simply, he said, it's fun again.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't tell you how weird it was. Having

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01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:12.600
<v Speaker 1>covered several Kentucky Louisville games in the Young Center, tim

1257
01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:15.680
<v Speaker 1>to tune in a Louisville game and you know, the

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01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:18.720
<v Speaker 1>last couple of years and the Young Center almost empty,

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01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:22.199
<v Speaker 1>and now you turn it on and it's not quite

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01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:23.640
<v Speaker 1>the same. But it's getting there, isn't it.

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01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:24.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:30.359
<v Speaker 7>You know, I thought that it wouldn't take a lot

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01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.680
<v Speaker 7>to bring fans back, that they were hungry for a

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01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:41.239
<v Speaker 7>team that they, you know, felt confident in and wanted

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01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:45.439
<v Speaker 7>to root for. And what else is there to do.

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<v Speaker 7>We don't have you know, the NFL or the NBA

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01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:57.199
<v Speaker 7>yere and you have a big arena that has looked

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<v Speaker 7>rather empty for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>Is but.

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<v Speaker 7>The attendance figures are on the f swing and they're

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01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:08.279
<v Speaker 7>not you know, they're not Kentucky figures at this point,

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01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.960
<v Speaker 7>and they may never be but uh, you know, for

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01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:16.119
<v Speaker 7>years and years this was the most profitable college basketball

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01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:21.039
<v Speaker 7>program in America, and I think it can be that

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01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:26.840
<v Speaker 7>again or close to it. Uh, if the the trajectory

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01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:32.279
<v Speaker 7>continues like this, and you know, and you're gonna they've

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01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:35.159
<v Speaker 7>benefited from what is a relative down here in the

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01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:40.119
<v Speaker 7>A C c UH that that has certainly helped. But

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01:13:41.840 --> 01:13:45.239
<v Speaker 7>you know, just the idea that this new coach has

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01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:49.600
<v Speaker 7>won more games and three months and Kenny paigned it

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01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:55.479
<v Speaker 7>in two years, uh, has has energized people and restored

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01:13:55.520 --> 01:13:59.960
<v Speaker 7>a lot of the the faith and the the excitement

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01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:06.479
<v Speaker 7>that has existed around this program traditionally dating back to

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01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:08.159
<v Speaker 7>the early days of Denny Crown.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they've lost since that set back to Kentucky. So, yeah,

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01:14:13.000 --> 01:14:15.199
<v Speaker 1>March is coming quickly. That's going to be really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a few minutes left with Tim Sullivan. I

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01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:18.640
<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask you. I don't know if you saw

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01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:23.319
<v Speaker 1>this story, but the new president, Charlie Bakerly he's not

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01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.399
<v Speaker 1>that new anymore, but he talked to day or two

1291
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:31.880
<v Speaker 1>ago about changing the transfer portal. And at the coach's convention,

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01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:38.279
<v Speaker 1>the coach is unanimously voted to eliminate December and April

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01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:42.640
<v Speaker 1>in terms of transfer portal windows and just set up

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01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:47.199
<v Speaker 1>a ten day transfer portal window from January two to

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01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the twelfth, which could make for a chaotic scene. But

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01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.960
<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, they got to do something tim

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01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:57.720
<v Speaker 1>because this has kind of gotten out of hand, hasn't it.

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<v Speaker 7>Well yeah, uh At the same time, I think that

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01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:07.920
<v Speaker 7>you know, this is kind of the payback for years

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01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:14.079
<v Speaker 7>and years trying to deny rights that that almost anyone

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01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:19.239
<v Speaker 7>else in American society has other than you know, college

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01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:24.840
<v Speaker 7>athletes until very recently, and you know, the the ability

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01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:29.479
<v Speaker 7>to put quote guardrails on the system and you know,

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01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:36.920
<v Speaker 7>have structure that that reduces the you know, the ability

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01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.479
<v Speaker 7>of athletes to move freely.

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01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:42.199
<v Speaker 5>I think is.

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<v Speaker 7>Is kind of a slippery slope because of of the

1308
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.520
<v Speaker 7>likelihood that it would face a court challenge, and if

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01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:54.399
<v Speaker 7>you look at the recent history, the n C double

1310
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:56.039
<v Speaker 7>A has not done very well in court.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh so uh, you know, I think that as long as.

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<v Speaker 7>You don't violate the rights of these athletes, and you

1313
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:14.239
<v Speaker 7>can come up with a changes that are acceptable or

1314
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:20.560
<v Speaker 7>at least they're not going to cause open revolts. I

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01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:24.399
<v Speaker 7>don't know that doing in January makes a lot of sense.

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01:16:24.520 --> 01:16:32.399
<v Speaker 7>But greater minds than mine are working on this, you know.

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01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:39.199
<v Speaker 7>But I think ultimately, until the universities decide that they're

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01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:44.039
<v Speaker 7>going to allow these athletes to be employees and unionize

1319
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:49.000
<v Speaker 7>and do collective bargaining, you're going to have a system

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01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:57.319
<v Speaker 7>that is somewhat chaotic and inherently so, I don't think

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01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 7>that that limiting athletes to it and a window makes

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01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.920
<v Speaker 7>a lot of sense, because you're you're kind of forcing

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01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:09.600
<v Speaker 7>them into rush decisions, not you know, not that a

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01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:12.960
<v Speaker 7>lot of stuff isn't going on under the table and right,

1325
01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:17.960
<v Speaker 7>you know, ahead of ahead of time. But that's that's

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01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:19.600
<v Speaker 7>the sort of thing you want to avoid. I mean,

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01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:23.039
<v Speaker 7>there should be a certain amount of transparency, and I

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01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:28.239
<v Speaker 7>think there should be a reasonable opportunity for athletes to

1329
01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:31.920
<v Speaker 7>make informed decisions and not you know, with a gun

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01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:32.479
<v Speaker 7>to their heads.

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01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like you said, it's not like they're going

1332
01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:37.159
<v Speaker 1>to suddenly come up on January second to say I

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01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:40.359
<v Speaker 1>guess I'll transfer. Where can I go? But it's amazing

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01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:43.399
<v Speaker 1>to me, Tim the numbers of kids who jump into

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01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the portal with no locked in landing area. You know,

1336
01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:50.359
<v Speaker 1>when the music stops, theres nowhere to sit down. And

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01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:51.279
<v Speaker 1>that's dangerous.

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01:17:52.520 --> 01:17:53.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it sure is.

1339
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:57.239
<v Speaker 7>And you know they're always going to be case studies

1340
01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:00.119
<v Speaker 7>of guys who go into the in the portal and

1341
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:04.399
<v Speaker 7>they and they have nowhere to land, and uh, that's

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01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:07.560
<v Speaker 7>that's really unfortunate. But you know that that's I think

1343
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:13.880
<v Speaker 7>almost inevitable. Uh, when you have a limited number of

1344
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:21.159
<v Speaker 7>scholarships available. Uh uh, you know, coaches competing for the

1345
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.479
<v Speaker 7>same high end guys and maybe the the guys who

1346
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.159
<v Speaker 7>are frustrated where they are. And I shouldn't say just guys,

1347
01:18:29.199 --> 01:18:32.600
<v Speaker 7>because you know we're seeing some women's athletics as well. Yeah,

1348
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:39.600
<v Speaker 7>you know that not everybody is coveted and and sometimes

1349
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:42.800
<v Speaker 7>if you're frustrated where you are, it's because of your

1350
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:45.800
<v Speaker 7>own ability and not you know, not because the coach

1351
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:46.680
<v Speaker 7>has an end for you.

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01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 1>He is Tim Sullivan and you can follow him on

1353
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Twitter or x Tim Sullivan seven to one four and

1354
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Tim will check back with you closer to tournament time.

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01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:57.560
<v Speaker 1>It should be really interesting this year.

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01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:04.239
<v Speaker 7>Well, I think that in Kentucky this year you're going

1357
01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:08.880
<v Speaker 7>to see a lot more interest than there normally is,

1358
01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:12.960
<v Speaker 7>and there's normally quite a lot, which speaks well for

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01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:13.880
<v Speaker 7>both programs.

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01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Sounds good to me. Thank you, brother, stay warm over.

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01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:20.079
<v Speaker 7>There, all right, Dick, thanks for calling and that'll do it.

1362
01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:22.199
<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much to my guests, thank you for listening.

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01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:24.560
<v Speaker 1>That said, good night from the garage in Lexington.

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01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Don't want to meet the team? Clements. Did I meet

1365
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:33.399
<v Speaker 3>the team? You sure did that in your face, Strawberry.

1366
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.119
<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, are you kenming? Griffy Jr.

1367
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:37.520
<v Speaker 1>No, sorry, didn't mean to get your hopes up.

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<v Speaker 3>Nat
