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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Dragon, Eddie Dragon, Welcome to the other side of Midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, Walter. I have to tell you, are.

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<v Speaker 1>We supposed to change your name daily or we use

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<v Speaker 1>a different name every day?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I just like when the repeats or when it's

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<v Speaker 2>coming with my name was mispronounced. But you know, Walter,

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<v Speaker 2>you can call me whatever you like as long as

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<v Speaker 2>you call me on the other side of midnight. Now Eddie.

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie's in New Mexico. It's part of the country you

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<v Speaker 1>know nothing about. He's a broadcaster of note, he owns

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<v Speaker 1>a radio station, something that I certainly don't John Katzimatidis,

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<v Speaker 1>Margot Katsimatidis, they own radio stations, they own multiple radio stations.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic owners. Are you as good as the Katsametides?

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<v Speaker 2>Just read his book and I would probably say not,

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<v Speaker 2>But I will always always aspire to be. We'll say

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<v Speaker 2>it that way. You know. I couldn't help, like these

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<v Speaker 2>these intros that come in and then that little thing

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<v Speaker 2>that talks about I'm ready to freeze my eggs. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't help but think, Walter, like, what's the mail side

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<v Speaker 2>of that? And you know, if you hang a left

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<v Speaker 2>on Lexington, the sperm Bank is tucked right beneath Zucker's

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<v Speaker 2>bagel smoke Fish, Seeds of Peace and Happy Tuna on

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<v Speaker 2>forty first in Lexington, So maybe we get a jingle

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<v Speaker 2>for the local sperm bank as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you usually if you turn a left

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<v Speaker 1>on Lexington you'll be in a head on collision. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be my hunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh is it a one way? I don't think it is,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Please do not present yourself as

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing that all the avenues are one way or

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<v Speaker 1>the other in New York. What are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>do next? Call it Houston Street?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably? I might might might do that, you know. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, the Kate Martin, she looks like Amy klovishh

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not attracted her. I'm a Sophie Cunningham person.

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<v Speaker 2>And that seems to be all talk radio is about

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<v Speaker 2>these last couple of days. Is what's happening in WNBA.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to look up with THEWNBA actually is. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're getting attention. It's like the new WWE

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<v Speaker 2>out there and it's getting a lot of people talking

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<v Speaker 2>about that stuff. But here on Tonight's show, Walter, we

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<v Speaker 2>got to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie is Eddie is a expert on conspiracies and mysteries.

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<v Speaker 1>You like mainline mysteries and conspiracies tonight your feature Tupac Shapur.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what you said, Tupac Shakur. Yeah, all right, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Look forward to hearing this story Eddie. Go ahead, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's late. People are driving home or they're

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<v Speaker 2>laying in bed. This trial is finally coming to pass,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to take you back to this night,

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<v Speaker 2>back in Las Vegas place I used to live, back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, but back to nineteen ninety six. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how long ago this was. And now thirty years later,

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<v Speaker 2>we now have a jury that's finally going to hear

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<v Speaker 2>the story from a witness box instead of just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>rap sheets, stuff that's promulgated on television. Tupac Shakur, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five years old, shot four times in a drive by

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<v Speaker 2>a few blocks off the busiest street in America, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the Las Vegas Strip. Dead just six days later, and

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty seven years, nobody, no arrest, Walter, no trial, nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>And that all changed three years ago in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 2>when Las Vegas police arrested a man named Dwayne Keith D. Davis,

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<v Speaker 2>a former Compton Cripps leader. And get this, they arrested

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<v Speaker 2>him because of things he'd already said out loud on camera.

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<v Speaker 2>He said it in memoirs, podcasts, bragging for years now.

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<v Speaker 2>Jury selection just started yesterday. Evidence starts August seventeenth. He's

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<v Speaker 2>pleading not guilty. He's presumed innocent, right, keep that in

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<v Speaker 2>your head. Well, the whole time that I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 2>is because this case is stranger than fiction and has

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<v Speaker 2>not yet been solved. It's murkier than any true crime

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<v Speaker 2>that you get on dayline or anywhere else, because what

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<v Speaker 2>we actually know what happened. We saw what happened because

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<v Speaker 2>it's been repeated, but we haven't seen anything because there

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<v Speaker 2>is no film, there's no cell phone video. TUPAC and

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<v Speaker 2>death Row records. The boss of that was a manned

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<v Speaker 2>by the name of sug Knight. They flew into Vegas

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<v Speaker 2>that night to watch Mike Tyson, Remember we used to

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<v Speaker 2>do that back in the day, knock out Bruce Selden

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<v Speaker 2>in the first round. Leaving the MGM Grand Tupac's crew

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<v Speaker 2>jumped a guy named Orlando Anderson, that's a Compton Crips

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<v Speaker 2>member accused of jacking a death row chain just earlier

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<v Speaker 2>that year. It's on surveillance day, but Tupac and Shakur

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<v Speaker 2>through punches right by the elevators, kicking and punching. There

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<v Speaker 2>is video of that. Hours later, they're rolling in a

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<v Speaker 2>ten car convoy night driving Tupac Sugar in that black

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<v Speaker 2>BMW when a white Cadillac pulls up at the red

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<v Speaker 2>light on Flamingo and Coveal and somebody in a backseat

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<v Speaker 2>opens fire. Seven shell casings will coover, no usable fingerprints

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<v Speaker 2>in all this. Tupac hit four times, one collapses his lung,

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<v Speaker 2>Knight grazed in the head. Tupac dies six days later,

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<v Speaker 2>and his mother making the final call to take him

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<v Speaker 2>off of life support. Now, now here's why this case

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<v Speaker 2>has rotted for thirty years. And this isn't unique, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way. It's not because there weren't leads. It's because

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<v Speaker 2>none of these guys would actually talk about this Sugar night.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the one man in that car who actually might

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<v Speaker 2>have seen the shooter's face. Walter waited three days to

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<v Speaker 2>even speak to police, Okay, and then he said I

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<v Speaker 2>heard nothing or I heard something, heard anything, but I

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<v Speaker 2>saw nothing. He told ABC News this year, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get paid to sell the homicides. That is still his

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<v Speaker 2>answer nearly thirty years later. And it's darker than that

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<v Speaker 2>because of the four men prosecutors say we're riding in

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<v Speaker 2>that Cadillac, only the guy that's being prosecuted or on

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<v Speaker 2>the stand, Keith D. Davis, is actually alive today. All

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<v Speaker 2>the rest Orlando Anderson long presumed to be the actual shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the guy that was seeing being kicked on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground by Tupac was gunned down in an unrelated

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<v Speaker 2>shooting back in nineteen ninety eight, never charged. An investigator

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<v Speaker 2>by the name of Greg Katting built a list of

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<v Speaker 2>people to reinterview years later, and guess what, Nearly every

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<v Speaker 2>single name on it turned out to be dead. So

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<v Speaker 2>how did they ever charge anybody? It's because this idiot

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<v Speaker 2>Keith de simply couldn't stop talking. He confessed his role

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<v Speaker 2>in a federal task force back in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>eight under a deal that legally protected him, but then

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<v Speaker 2>he kept describing it anyway. Twenty eighteen documentary A twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen Vlad TV interview three point six million views, that

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<v Speaker 2>TV interview had and then yeah, they came forward. And

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<v Speaker 2>in his own memoir he comes forward yet again, something

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<v Speaker 2>called Compton Street legend bragging. None of that was even

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<v Speaker 2>protected in the Las Vegas sheriffs finally had to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we have it. We can arrest this man. Mister Davis's

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<v Speaker 2>own words have reinvigorated our case. Now, you know, for

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<v Speaker 2>the misfits out tonight, you know, I love a good

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy angle. In this case has three big ones. Thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one East Coast retaliation, Biggie Small's Sean Combs financed the

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<v Speaker 2>bounty on Tupac. Combs you know where he's at, just

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<v Speaker 2>up the road, denied it forcefully calling it pure fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of Vegas police say he's never even been

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<v Speaker 2>a suspect. And then there's a second one, rogue federal agents. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>no corroboration. But theory three, and this is the one

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<v Speaker 2>that I have thought about, probably the most, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you think about who was in the car. Sug Nut himself,

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<v Speaker 2>death row records, He actually claimed he was the real target,

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<v Speaker 2>pointed fingers as his ex wife, his own former security

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<v Speaker 2>and he actually had an insurance policy on Tupac for

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<v Speaker 2>thirty to fifty one million. No red evidence has ever

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<v Speaker 2>backed that up, and people who were physically standing there

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<v Speaker 2>that night have flat out rejected it. For the prosecution's

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<v Speaker 2>real problem no weapon, no getaway car, no footage of

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<v Speaker 2>the actual shootings in nineteen ninety six, the whole case

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<v Speaker 2>rides on a man both sides admit has lied about

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<v Speaker 2>his story before, and the judge has already ruled his

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<v Speaker 2>memoir counts his own words. Prosecutors even found a polaroid

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<v Speaker 2>matching a suit he described wearing that knight. So you

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<v Speaker 2>compare this to Biggie's murder, also unsolved thirty years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Jmaster Jay, you've got all the guys. It's the same case.

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<v Speaker 2>In Tupac's case, one man finally couldn't stay quiet. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we've got a trial coming forward. Whether that's enough to

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<v Speaker 2>convict him, we will see Walter.

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<v Speaker 1>Eddie Dragon from New Mexico, our expert on conspiracies and mysteries,

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<v Speaker 1>great broadcaster, Thank you for being our friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Eddie