Speaker 1: Eddie Dragon, Eddie Dragon, Welcome to the other side of Midnight.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Walter. I have to tell you, are.
Speaker 1: We supposed to change your name daily or we use
Speaker 1: a different name every day?
Speaker 2: No, I just like when the repeats or when it's
Speaker 2: coming with my name was mispronounced. But you know, Walter,
Speaker 2: you can call me whatever you like as long as
Speaker 2: you call me on the other side of midnight. Now Eddie.
Speaker 1: Eddie's in New Mexico. It's part of the country you
Speaker 1: know nothing about. He's a broadcaster of note, he owns
Speaker 1: a radio station, something that I certainly don't John Katzimatidis,
Speaker 1: Margot Katsimatidis, they own radio stations, they own multiple radio stations.
Speaker 1: Fantastic owners. Are you as good as the Katsametides?
Speaker 2: Just read his book and I would probably say not,
Speaker 2: But I will always always aspire to be. We'll say
Speaker 2: it that way. You know. I couldn't help, like these
Speaker 2: these intros that come in and then that little thing
Speaker 2: that talks about I'm ready to freeze my eggs. I
Speaker 2: couldn't help but think, Walter, like, what's the mail side
Speaker 2: of that? And you know, if you hang a left
Speaker 2: on Lexington, the sperm Bank is tucked right beneath Zucker's
Speaker 2: bagel smoke Fish, Seeds of Peace and Happy Tuna on
Speaker 2: forty first in Lexington, So maybe we get a jingle
Speaker 2: for the local sperm bank as well.
Speaker 1: So I think you usually if you turn a left
Speaker 1: on Lexington you'll be in a head on collision. That
Speaker 1: would be my hunch.
Speaker 2: Oh is it a one way? I don't think it is,
Speaker 2: but maybe you're right.
Speaker 1: You're Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Please do not present yourself as
Speaker 1: not knowing that all the avenues are one way or
Speaker 1: the other in New York. What are you going to
Speaker 1: do next? Call it Houston Street?
Speaker 2: Probably? I might might might do that, you know. By
Speaker 2: the way, the Kate Martin, she looks like Amy klovishh
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not attracted her. I'm a Sophie Cunningham person.
Speaker 2: And that seems to be all talk radio is about
Speaker 2: these last couple of days. Is what's happening in WNBA.
Speaker 2: I had to look up with THEWNBA actually is. But
Speaker 2: you know, they're getting attention. It's like the new WWE
Speaker 2: out there and it's getting a lot of people talking
Speaker 2: about that stuff. But here on Tonight's show, Walter, we
Speaker 2: got to talk about.
Speaker 1: Eddie is Eddie is a expert on conspiracies and mysteries.
Speaker 1: You like mainline mysteries and conspiracies tonight your feature Tupac Shapur.
Speaker 2: Is that what you said, Tupac Shakur. Yeah, all right, we.
Speaker 1: Look forward to hearing this story Eddie. Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 2: You know it's late. People are driving home or they're
Speaker 2: laying in bed. This trial is finally coming to pass,
Speaker 2: and I want to take you back to this night,
Speaker 2: back in Las Vegas place I used to live, back
Speaker 2: in the day, but back to nineteen ninety six. That's
Speaker 2: how long ago this was. And now thirty years later,
Speaker 2: we now have a jury that's finally going to hear
Speaker 2: the story from a witness box instead of just you know,
Speaker 2: rap sheets, stuff that's promulgated on television. Tupac Shakur, twenty
Speaker 2: five years old, shot four times in a drive by
Speaker 2: a few blocks off the busiest street in America, that's
Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Strip. Dead just six days later, and
Speaker 2: for twenty seven years, nobody, no arrest, Walter, no trial, nothing,
Speaker 2: And that all changed three years ago in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: when Las Vegas police arrested a man named Dwayne Keith D. Davis,
Speaker 2: a former Compton Cripps leader. And get this, they arrested
Speaker 2: him because of things he'd already said out loud on camera.
Speaker 2: He said it in memoirs, podcasts, bragging for years now.
Speaker 2: Jury selection just started yesterday. Evidence starts August seventeenth. He's
Speaker 2: pleading not guilty. He's presumed innocent, right, keep that in
Speaker 2: your head. Well, the whole time that I'm talking about
Speaker 2: is because this case is stranger than fiction and has
Speaker 2: not yet been solved. It's murkier than any true crime
Speaker 2: that you get on dayline or anywhere else, because what
Speaker 2: we actually know what happened. We saw what happened because
Speaker 2: it's been repeated, but we haven't seen anything because there
Speaker 2: is no film, there's no cell phone video. TUPAC and
Speaker 2: death Row records. The boss of that was a manned
Speaker 2: by the name of sug Knight. They flew into Vegas
Speaker 2: that night to watch Mike Tyson, Remember we used to
Speaker 2: do that back in the day, knock out Bruce Selden
Speaker 2: in the first round. Leaving the MGM Grand Tupac's crew
Speaker 2: jumped a guy named Orlando Anderson, that's a Compton Crips
Speaker 2: member accused of jacking a death row chain just earlier
Speaker 2: that year. It's on surveillance day, but Tupac and Shakur
Speaker 2: through punches right by the elevators, kicking and punching. There
Speaker 2: is video of that. Hours later, they're rolling in a
Speaker 2: ten car convoy night driving Tupac Sugar in that black
Speaker 2: BMW when a white Cadillac pulls up at the red
Speaker 2: light on Flamingo and Coveal and somebody in a backseat
Speaker 2: opens fire. Seven shell casings will coover, no usable fingerprints
Speaker 2: in all this. Tupac hit four times, one collapses his lung,
Speaker 2: Knight grazed in the head. Tupac dies six days later,
Speaker 2: and his mother making the final call to take him
Speaker 2: off of life support. Now, now here's why this case
Speaker 2: has rotted for thirty years. And this isn't unique, by
Speaker 2: the way. It's not because there weren't leads. It's because
Speaker 2: none of these guys would actually talk about this Sugar night.
Speaker 2: He's the one man in that car who actually might
Speaker 2: have seen the shooter's face. Walter waited three days to
Speaker 2: even speak to police, Okay, and then he said I
Speaker 2: heard nothing or I heard something, heard anything, but I
Speaker 2: saw nothing. He told ABC News this year, I don't
Speaker 2: get paid to sell the homicides. That is still his
Speaker 2: answer nearly thirty years later. And it's darker than that
Speaker 2: because of the four men prosecutors say we're riding in
Speaker 2: that Cadillac, only the guy that's being prosecuted or on
Speaker 2: the stand, Keith D. Davis, is actually alive today. All
Speaker 2: the rest Orlando Anderson long presumed to be the actual shooter.
Speaker 2: He was the guy that was seeing being kicked on
Speaker 2: the ground by Tupac was gunned down in an unrelated
Speaker 2: shooting back in nineteen ninety eight, never charged. An investigator
Speaker 2: by the name of Greg Katting built a list of
Speaker 2: people to reinterview years later, and guess what, Nearly every
Speaker 2: single name on it turned out to be dead. So
Speaker 2: how did they ever charge anybody? It's because this idiot
Speaker 2: Keith de simply couldn't stop talking. He confessed his role
Speaker 2: in a federal task force back in two thousand and
Speaker 2: eight under a deal that legally protected him, but then
Speaker 2: he kept describing it anyway. Twenty eighteen documentary A twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen Vlad TV interview three point six million views, that
Speaker 2: TV interview had and then yeah, they came forward. And
Speaker 2: in his own memoir he comes forward yet again, something
Speaker 2: called Compton Street legend bragging. None of that was even
Speaker 2: protected in the Las Vegas sheriffs finally had to say, hey,
Speaker 2: we have it. We can arrest this man. Mister Davis's
Speaker 2: own words have reinvigorated our case. Now, you know, for
Speaker 2: the misfits out tonight, you know, I love a good
Speaker 2: conspiracy angle. In this case has three big ones. Thirty
Speaker 2: one East Coast retaliation, Biggie Small's Sean Combs financed the
Speaker 2: bounty on Tupac. Combs you know where he's at, just
Speaker 2: up the road, denied it forcefully calling it pure fiction.
Speaker 2: And all of Vegas police say he's never even been
Speaker 2: a suspect. And then there's a second one, rogue federal agents. Interesting,
Speaker 2: no corroboration. But theory three, and this is the one
Speaker 2: that I have thought about, probably the most, you know,
Speaker 2: you think about who was in the car. Sug Nut himself,
Speaker 2: death row records, He actually claimed he was the real target,
Speaker 2: pointed fingers as his ex wife, his own former security
Speaker 2: and he actually had an insurance policy on Tupac for
Speaker 2: thirty to fifty one million. No red evidence has ever
Speaker 2: backed that up, and people who were physically standing there
Speaker 2: that night have flat out rejected it. For the prosecution's
Speaker 2: real problem no weapon, no getaway car, no footage of
Speaker 2: the actual shootings in nineteen ninety six, the whole case
Speaker 2: rides on a man both sides admit has lied about
Speaker 2: his story before, and the judge has already ruled his
Speaker 2: memoir counts his own words. Prosecutors even found a polaroid
Speaker 2: matching a suit he described wearing that knight. So you
Speaker 2: compare this to Biggie's murder, also unsolved thirty years later.
Speaker 2: Jmaster Jay, you've got all the guys. It's the same case.
Speaker 2: In Tupac's case, one man finally couldn't stay quiet. Now
Speaker 2: we've got a trial coming forward. Whether that's enough to
Speaker 2: convict him, we will see Walter.
Speaker 1: Eddie Dragon from New Mexico, our expert on conspiracies and mysteries,
Speaker 1: great broadcaster, Thank you for being our friend.
Speaker 2: Eddie