WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.720 It could be the final day of the NBA season. 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:05.360 If for doing Elton John, I'm gonna need a little 3 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:07.360 tiny dance And I know it's cliche, but we need. 4 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:09.240 A little almost famous vibe. 5 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:10.839 On the show Today it could be the final day 6 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:13.720 of the pro basketball season as Oklahoma City is looking 7 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:17.359 to eliminate the Indiana Pacers tonight. The Pacers just took 8 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:21.000 the floor eight minutes ago for their pregame walkthrough, and 9 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:24.280 during that walk through, the status of Tyreese Halliburton will 10 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:26.239 be determined by the medical staff. 11 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:27.960 We probably won't know until Tip. 12 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:34.079 Live in studio injury experts, among other things, Chris Cameronnie, 13 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:36.079 I always get a kick out of guys in our 14 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:38.399 business when there's like an injured player who just played 15 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:42.520 doctor on air or on TV. Strain calf could lead 16 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.560 to a torn achilles, all the things. 17 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:46.159 Do you have any is that what he's doing? Yeah, 18 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:46.719 strain calf. 19 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:48.479 Do you have any hot medical takes for us on 20 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:49.679 tyrees Slliburton's status. 21 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:51.359 Well, I've heard that a strained calf can lead to 22 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:52.000 an achilles. 23 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.719 That's the take today. I've heard that twenty five times today. 24 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:59.159 People are probably just lazy and assuming that a strained 25 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.359 calf that Kevin Durant suffered six or seven years ago 26 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:04.840 in the finals that led to a torn achilles could 27 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.480 potentially do the same thing. I know there is a correlation, 28 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:09.000 so you can't discount that. 29 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:10.599 Sure, sure, but. 30 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.159 My Haliburton take is the Pacers probably need Haliburton to 31 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:16.120 win game six. 32 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.480 Good take, good take, good take. 33 00:01:18.560 --> 00:01:19.280 Is it gonna happen? 34 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:22.439 I don't think so. I mean, I picked Oklahoma City 35 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:22.840 in five. 36 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.400 It's it's a historic season when you look at the metrics, 37 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:28.840 and you know me, I'm a data guy, analytics, let's 38 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:29.280 get into it. 39 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:30.920 Yeah, their net was plus thirteen. 40 00:01:31.239 --> 00:01:32.239 What about their PR? 41 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:35.040 The PR is a little bit dated TK Okay, so 42 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:38.040 you know, okay, yeah, God, God blessed John Hollinger. Okay, 43 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:40.040 but the PR is a little bit dated. Have you 44 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.200 ever been aggregated, by the way. 45 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:48.079 Yes, but not for like online stuff, more just stories 46 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:53.079 I got. I got aggregated up the wazoo when I 47 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:55.280 went and hung out with stone Cold Steve Austin, because 48 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:57.000 like he doesn't give a lot of interviews. 49 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:57.359 Yeah. 50 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:01.159 Yeah, So all of the wrestling blog websites aggregated a 51 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.719 lot of my stuff, and one of my colleagues. Chris Vanini, 52 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:09.199 national writer at The Athletic, is a huge wrestling fan, 53 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:13.000 and he was like, Dude, this aggregated tweet has like 54 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.520 over like a thousand retweets in like an hour, and 55 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:20.719 it was just basically somebody rewriting the most interesting things 56 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:22.120 that Steve told me in our interview. 57 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:25.759 Well, someone who doesn't frequent wrestling blogs, I guess that's 58 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.800 why I was unaware that you were aggregated for Stone Cold. 59 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.800 You have, over the course of your career doing this. 60 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.639 How long have you been doing this in media? Thirteen fourteen, 61 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:38.840 thirteen years. You've interviewed a lot of really fascinating characters. 62 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:40.800 And one of the things I like about your work 63 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:42.599 is you really do think out of the box. So 64 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:46.680 I've heard cliche things say, is there one that stands out? 65 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:49.680 Like instantly, if I say to you, most interesting conversation 66 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.319 you've ever had in your life as a journalist is 67 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:52.680 the record? 68 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:52.919 Yeah? 69 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:54.879 Is there one that stands out if we're talking on 70 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:58.280 the record, honestly, it might be recency biased, but it 71 00:02:58.360 --> 00:03:00.599 might be my days in Hawaii? What's your right? 72 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:02.199 Like? 73 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:08.199 Honestly, like just because for about forty eight hours Trevor 74 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:11.400 and I were basically on the record driving around the 75 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:16.400 Big Island about anything from the University of Utah football 76 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:22.759 recruiting to Dion Sanders to visiting the Middle East and 77 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.400 how you go about making sure you don't have any 78 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:31.520 cultural you know, misguided mis cues all those things. Yeah. 79 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:34.000 I mean, my my brain's been fried since becoming a parent, 80 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.120 so I'll go recency biases definitely, Trevor. But there there 81 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:41.280 are there are other ones. I mean even last year 82 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:44.479 Steve's up there. There's a lot of them. Man, I'm 83 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:45.439 gonna have to circle. 84 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:45.520 Back to. 85 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:53.240 Ye was really good. Yeah. Yeah, Sometimes people are interesting. 86 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:57.840 Sometimes their stories are more interesting. Like a few years ago, 87 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:03.039 I went out to Colorado to do a story on 88 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.919 Trey McBride, who is second. You know, he was the 89 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:09.280 second round pick of the Cardinals and now he's one 90 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:10.960 of the highest paid tight I think he is the 91 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.080 highest paid tight end in the NFL. Went to Colorado 92 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.439 State and he he was raised by two moms, and 93 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.160 that that I don't really don't really have a lot 94 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.279 of historical context for NFL players who were raised by 95 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.560 two moms. So I went out there and spent two 96 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:28.800 days with them. And got to hang out at their house, 97 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.879 go with them while they did meals on wheels and 98 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.360 all the stuff, and it was very very cool. So 99 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.360 there are interesting people and then there are people who 100 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:41.120 have very very cool stories. So sure there's a lot. 101 00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.399 I'm gonna have to circle back because my brain is 102 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:45.000 a little mushy since you. 103 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:50.439 Know, when my phone rings and it's Trevor, Yeah, I go, okay, 104 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:50.959 here we go. 105 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:51.839 What's what's there? 106 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:52.360 Happened? 107 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:56.720 Because you dude, you never know ever, Like truly, I 108 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.959 cannot predict what's about to happen, and every conversation includes 109 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.680 some wild twist and turn. Where are you at? What 110 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.160 are you doing for work? You know, Like I can't 111 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.160 say what he told me as far as what he's 112 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:09.800 going to do next the last time I talked to him, 113 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:11.959 but it's a completely different thing than what he's been doing. 114 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.399 It's it's interesting, like the people like that. A lot 115 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:21.399 of most people would assume that they're usually bloviating or 116 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.319 more often than not, stretching the truth. But in my 117 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.040 time with Trevor, everything that sounded too good to be 118 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.720 true actually was true. There's a lot of people that 119 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.040 are like that. Some people are just very good storytellers. 120 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:37.959 Some people have very interesting lived life experience, so it's like, yeah, 121 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.279 I mean, I know Trevor had a very interesting lived 122 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:44.600 experience working for Deon Sanders, but like the guy got 123 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:49.279 into physical altercation with his assistant coach, like it was 124 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.199 caught on video and like Warren Sapp is narrating it, 125 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:57.279 Like I appreciate people like Trevor who are a DIMA 126 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.879 doesn't in the sports in the sports world because he 127 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:06.560 doesn't necessarily have time for the he what's the word, like, 128 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:11.199 he doesn't necessarily like cow taw to what most people 129 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.800 expect to be like the norm in that he's just 130 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:16.480 going to tell you the truth and what happened, and 131 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.680 he's not gonna like maybe you know, what's the word 132 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.720 I'm looking for here. He's just going to tell you 133 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:28.199 what happened, and that's you generally, what happened. He's just yeah, 134 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:30.920 I mean, like he told me that. You know back 135 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.680 in the day, you know, Utah's sids were always like 136 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.439 shaking in their boots anytime Trevor was requested to talk 137 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:38.959 as a player, because Trevor was just gonna be like, yeah, 138 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:43.399 UCLA's quarterback sucks, right, Yeah, And it's just like, you 139 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:46.040 don't get guys like that in this industry really ever, 140 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:48.319 so when you get them, you have to appreciate what 141 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:49.279 they can offer for you. 142 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.319 Well, it's a dream for people like us because what 143 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:53.319 it's turned. 144 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.600 Into because he sorry to interrupted, because he doesn't expect 145 00:06:56.600 --> 00:07:01.560 any sort of reciprocation, which is which is maybe where 146 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.600 you were going in this day and age where it's 147 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.600 kind of like scratch my backs, I'll scratch yours, which 148 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.959 is not how my job goes. And I mean Trevor's proman. 149 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:12.000 He played in the NFL for like six years. He 150 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.800 played here. He knows how it goes. Whereas a lot 151 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:16.959 of people who either make it to that level or 152 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:22.680 even don't generally are operating in a realm of may 153 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:26.120 maybe mistrust because it's it's not easy to trust people 154 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:28.399 that you don't know that well or entrust them with 155 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:32.120 your story or your word. But Trevor is the type 156 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.240 of person that will just tell you and move on 157 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:38.399 like he's not thinking about it. As soon as I 158 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:40.519 filed my story. It wasn't one of those things where 159 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:42.240 it's like, oh, I wonder if Trevor's going to be 160 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.439 pissed about what's in the story. Yeah, it was like 161 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:46.120 the next time I heard from him, it wasn't even 162 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.600 like you even talk about it. 163 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:49.879 He probably wasn't even on his radar, correct, right? Who 164 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:54.680 would play Trevor in the biopic Chris Pratt? No? 165 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.360 God, no, come on, how dare you? 166 00:07:57.560 --> 00:07:59.720 I just try to think of like action because I 167 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:01.519 alway used to kill Trevor Bigg. 168 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:02.839 Trevor and I. 169 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:04.759 Did a ton of radio back in the day together, 170 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.839 a lot of pref and post game football, uh, you know, 171 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.399 for both Utah and BYU. And he would roll in 172 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:12.519 studio for an hour at the old station, and he 173 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:15.600 still rolls in here when he's in town. And he 174 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.079 would tell me these stories off air that were so 175 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:23.759 wild yet to your point true that they actually happened. 176 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:25.959 And I started telling I'm like, you're Batman, dude, Like 177 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.199 you're a real life bat You're the real life Batman. 178 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.240 It's it's wild to consider all the nutty things our 179 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:32.759 guy has really got himself into. 180 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.279 The problem is is guys who are funny generally aren't 181 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.639 six or five. Keanu Reeves, Yeah, Kian is not funny enough, 182 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.480 like was like stoner funny, like this built head we're 183 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:49.440 gonna have to circle back on let's take let's table, 184 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.320 let's table it. I like that, right, it might come 185 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:51.519 to me. 186 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:54.240 But what I was gonna say is the reason Trevor 187 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.440 is such a breath of fresh air. And I don't 188 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.519 really know when to pinpoint this as far as when 189 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:03.679 it happened, but like I have stopped following athletes on 190 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.240 social media, like I don't need to follow Steph where 191 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.759 it's like all right, game time, or Donovan like Cavot, Like, 192 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.559 you don't get anything interesting from most of these athletes. 193 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.639 Now that's not a blanket statement. That's true for all 194 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:16.279 of them. 195 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.000 But whether it's a coach or a player sitting down 196 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.720 with a journalist like you, doing an interview with a 197 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.559 radio host like me, or addressing the media post game, 198 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:29.600 it's rare that you get something that is anything other 199 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.480 than boiler plate cliche, walk the company line. 200 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:33.519 But you know why that is. 201 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:34.759 But it didn't used to be that way. 202 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:39.840 Yeah, I mean it used to be that beat writers 203 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:45.759 reporters were entrusted with the word of the athlete because 204 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:48.600 there wasn't social media. The Internet really hadn't taken off. 205 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:51.440 And even like within the last I would say, the 206 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:55.679 last five to seven years, that's changed. Even as Twitter started, 207 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:59.480 you were still you still hadn't seen the marketing, the 208 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:04.320 monits monetization of the social media platforms my story and 209 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.600 my own words. And that's fine. You I don't necessarily 210 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:13.440 get frustrated that athletes no longer give give the scoop 211 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:15.799 to you know, a writer. A lot of these guys 212 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.759 are writing the players tribune stuff, and oftentimes they're they're 213 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.519 very very good. Sometimes you know, they come on the 214 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:26.440 fourth of July in consecutive years. Sometimes you know, your 215 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.320 Fourth of July is ruined and key time Gordon too big, 216 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:33.080 but we need to bring back a little too big, 217 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:38.360 Yeah we do. But yeah, it that that that is 218 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.240 a reality check topic. 219 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:40.919 I like that. 220 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.519 We could we could spend hours and hours on that. 221 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:44.200 Yeah. 222 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.480 Yeah, it's just interesting and consider any other So Trevor 223 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.960 Riley certainly good answer the question from a local standpoint. 224 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:55.440 I mean, I don't mean to butter you up. You're 225 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:56.159 very good at your job. 226 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.919 So you get good things from Kyle when you sit 227 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.679 down with Kyle. You get good things from you know, 228 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.559 our local players and coaches when you have access to them. 229 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.000 Is there any other whether it's Jazz or BYU or 230 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:11.039 even RSL or the University of Utah. Any other notable 231 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.679 interviews or stories you've done that really stand out, or 232 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.080 characters kind of like in the elk of Trev. 233 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:21.080 Quinn's The Quinn Profile. I did. I think the year 234 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.559 after it was not the year that they beat Okay, 235 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.440 see when they had Paul George and Russ and Carmelos 236 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.320 the year after, so they were still kind of on 237 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:31.799 their upward trajectory. 238 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:34.519 The reason you know that so well is because Ricky 239 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:36.039 Rubio played for the jazz and. 240 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:39.080 Pop people confused me for you. Sorry, man, you just 241 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:39.840 look like it when. 242 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.440 I when I would go to the ZBBC, fans were 243 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:45.960 waiting outside asking for interviews, and one time somebody like 244 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:49.440 basically almost stepped out in front of my crappy rusty 245 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:50.279 Sue Brew and it was. 246 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:52.440 Like Ricky and I was like, come on, man, didn't 247 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:53.559 you have a Rubio kit? 248 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:54.399 Yeah? 249 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.320 I was gifted a Rubio kit. 250 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:58.320 Yeah do you want? I mean, you know who gave 251 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.440 it to me? I would guess it was fault. It's 252 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.039 not Antonio Daniel's Vancouver kid. But oh, by the way, 253 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:08.639 real quick, before you continue Trav had no frame of reference. 254 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.919 We were talking about because we we're gonna play wassats soon, 255 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.200 whether you know we're gonna get up and. 256 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:15.279 Was, yeah, you didn't respond to the text. 257 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:17.519 I had a busy couple of days. But okay, I 258 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:19.279 had a busy couple of days. But so I was. 259 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:21.720 I was talking to Trav about it because Trav was 260 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.200 doing the finals and for our listeners, Travis Heenderson, the 261 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:29.840 supremely talented executive producer of Jazz Broadcast Games, is currently 262 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:31.399 broadcast in the NBA Finals. 263 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.200 Our guy could do what he does. 264 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:37.480 Like, people at our market don't know how talented Travis 265 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.200 Sanderson is. Like, he is a gem to have here. 266 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:42.879 So he's currently doing the finals. But we're going back 267 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:46.279 and forth about our wash at weekend, and he didn't 268 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.879 know the antonio. He didn't know the context. He's like, 269 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.759 is he gonna wear that antonio? Daniel Daniel Jersey again. 270 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:54.840 I'm like probably, Like he's like, where did he get that? 271 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.480 I'm like your boy over here. It's a great story too. 272 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:00.519 It's a great story. I can't believe you found it 273 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:01.519 in such good condition. 274 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.559 Yeah, like it's I mean, it's got to be at 275 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.519 least twenty years old and it fits you. It's great, Like, 276 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.320 like I said, it's in great condition. It's on a 277 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:11.279 hangar in my closet. 278 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:11.759 That a guy. 279 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.960 It was literally the only one online. I did a 280 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:16.799 bunch of eBay. It was eBay. Yeah, I found it 281 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.679 on eBay. But for our listeners, ck, you were in 282 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:22.440 studio with Amy, I think, yeah. It was during COVID, 283 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:25.320 during COVID, so stuff was weird. Yeah, yeah, we both 284 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:26.080 had man buns. 285 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.919 Yeah, and we were You talked about like I dropped 286 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.159 like in Antonio Daniel's reference, and you were like, if 287 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:34.679 you can name the first team that Antonio Daniels played for, 288 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:36.399 I'll give you a hundred bucks. And I was like, 289 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:38.720 if I can name him, I'll take a jersey. And 290 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:40.000 then that's close? 291 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:40.399 Was it? 292 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:42.519 So? What happened was No, you brought up the fact 293 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:47.559 Jazz fans were mad that Antonio Daniels had something critical 294 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.000 to say about Donovan's and my thing was like, why 295 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:52.440 do we care what Antonio Daniel says? And I said 296 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:53.840 to the two of you, if you can name the 297 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:57.600 team that drafted Antonio Daniels, I'll give you one thousand dollars. 298 00:13:57.919 --> 00:13:59.759 That's how convinced I was you weren gonna be able 299 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:01.799 to do I should have taken there, and you didn't. 300 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.600 Even pump fake boom Vancouver Grizzlies. And then because you're 301 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:08.679 a gentleman, you said, I will accept an Antonio Daniel's 302 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:10.000 jersey instead of a thousand dollars. 303 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:11.639 It's the best jersey in the history of the NBA. 304 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:15.399 It's a great jersey and segue. Antonio Daniels also played 305 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:17.919 for the Seattle SuperSonics. He did, who once upon a 306 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.559 time where the Seattle SuperSonics before they were the Oklahoma 307 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:21.080 City Thunder. 308 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:22.480 Yes, yes, yes he did. 309 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.120 Since you brought that up real quick, we got a 310 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.039 couple of minutes here in this segment before we break. 311 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.639 I think the NBA is going to approve expansion this year. Really, 312 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:31.480 I think in the off season. I don't know this 313 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.320 to be true, but the more and more I read 314 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:34.960 into it, the more and more I talk to people, 315 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:38.639 there's a lot of momentum to get a team back 316 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:41.039 in Seattle and then have one in Las Vegas. 317 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:44.480 I think that is going to be approved this offseason. Now. 318 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.399 The undercurrent of the Vegas team is that Lebron wants 319 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:49.639 to be an owner, and so a lot of people 320 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:53.000 believe that Adam Silver is kind of brokering that deal 321 00:14:53.080 --> 00:14:55.120 behind the scenes. And Lebron has one year left on 322 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:57.799 his contract. He got his kid a job in the league, 323 00:14:57.879 --> 00:14:59.879 so I think he's probably ready to step aside, and 324 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.200 and then he'll probably be the face of the Vegas 325 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.799 NBA franchise. I don't know what the Seattle situation is 326 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.159 going to look like, but it was announced yesterday ck 327 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:12.360 that the La Lakers were sold. And when you dig 328 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:15.639 into this, and then you look at the new owners 329 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:20.399 in Dallas, and you look at the new owners in Phoenix, Ishpia, 330 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:26.240 and potentially Lebron and his crew in Vegas with deep 331 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.039 pocketed investors, and I would imagine plenty of titans of 332 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:33.360 industry up in Seattle. So whoever gets that organization. The 333 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.440 reason I'm bringing it up is the Lakers were sold 334 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.000 to a gentleman who currently owns the. 335 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:42.120 Dodgers, and man, where's his name here? 336 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:42.639 Mark Walter? 337 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:45.000 Mark Walter, thank you? So Mark Walter is currently the 338 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:48.320 owner of the Dodgers. He tried to buy the Clippers, 339 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:51.759 he was outbid by Steve Balmer. Steve Balmer has a 340 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:54.960 net worth of one hundred and thirty billion dollars. This 341 00:15:55.080 --> 00:16:00.200 Mark Walter Gentleman allegedly or reportedly has a network that 342 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:02.440 is in that cul de sac one hundred and thirty 343 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:08.000 billion dollars. The money that's coming into Like, I don't 344 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:09.440 know Qualtricks financials. 345 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:14.559 When Ryan bought the team, the number I saw was. 346 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:16.639 Do wasn't it well less than two? 347 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:20.000 I think Qualtricks the Qualtrics valuation I think was twenty 348 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:20.799 twenty four billion. 349 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:22.120 About the Jazz sale. 350 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.000 The Jazz sale, Ryan paid eight hundred million for it. 351 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.600 And then I think with investors, let's see porter, will 352 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.519 you look up what Ryan bought the Jazz war please? 353 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:34.720 So I think it was approaching to it was over one, right, 354 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:37.240 so one point four one point five maybe closer to 355 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:37.519 the two. 356 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.200 Ryan himself wrote a check for eight hundred million. 357 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.360 And again I don't really know the financials of Qualtrics 358 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.919 or Ryan, but Ryan, his brother, his dad at the time, 359 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:49.480 moved tragically has passed, and one of their business partners 360 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.879 I believe, split it four ways. Obviously Ryan has investors 361 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:58.879 other than his own bank account. But there's this movement 362 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:03.159 and momentum in the NBA now where even if you 363 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:06.279 have five six billion dollars. One point six billion dollars 364 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:10.119 was the price tech like when so Ryan put up 365 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:11.960 half of that. So when Ryan took over the team, 366 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.720 the narrative was, well, Okay, we've got a tech rich 367 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:17.480 bro that has deeper pockets than the Millers. I don't 368 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:20.759 know if that's the case anymore. Like there's a world 369 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.240 now where Ryan is no longer this guy that has 370 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:26.839 such deep pockets, Like, if there are one hundred and 371 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:31.640 thirty billion dollars, you'll pay whatever you want to for 372 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:34.759 your NBA team. I mean, Mark, the guy that just 373 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:39.160 bought the Lakers owns the Dodgers. Their payroll is one 374 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:42.559 hundred and forty million dollars more than whoever is in second. 375 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:44.240 I think it might be the Angels. The Yankees are 376 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:47.240 actually in fourth. There's like this movement now where these 377 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.759 guys have monopoly money and it might even make the 378 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.079 playing field more uneven if they don't give a rip 379 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.759 about luxury tax or second apron. 380 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:57.839 Yeah. I don't know how much that affects the Jazz though, 381 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:59.480 because at the end of the day, the Jazz are 382 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.920 never going to outbid anybody for free agents. So like 383 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:09.119 that that might affect the the New York, Chicago, Dallas, LA. Markets. 384 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.160 Maybe it'll affect the Vegas market if that comes to fruition. 385 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:14.519 But for Salt Egg, for the jazz, that's never going 386 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.839 to affect the people working for them here because you 387 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:20.599 have to be able to strike the lottery four or 388 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:24.359 five times in a decade in order to build a contender. 389 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:27.920 And I didn't mean. I didn't mean to use the 390 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:30.200 word lottery in such a painful year for the jazz, 391 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:34.240 So apologies for the jazz fans listening. But like I always, 392 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:36.559 and it's lazy, but I always think of the Spurs, 393 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:38.880 and I think of the Spurs after David Robinson, you 394 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.640 think of I think, I think you have to get 395 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.200 a you know, a top three pick or the first 396 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:47.240 pick would be great. You get Tim Duncan, and then 397 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.200 from there they build a dynasty out of a bunch 398 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:54.519 of dudes that people either didn't rate, underrated, or just 399 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.680 never really have even around. So it's doable. But I 400 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:02.920 don't know how much monopoly money that billionaires are spending 401 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:05.480