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Speaker 1: the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, you get the privilege
Speaker 1: of talking to Alisha. Alicia is an individual that I
Speaker 1: had the privilege of meeting at my booth in Sasquatch
Speaker 1: Summerfest out there in beautiful Elkridge organ just a few
Speaker 1: months ago, and she has agreed to come on. She's
Speaker 1: got some really interesting things that have happened to her
Speaker 1: over the years. But Alish, it's a privilege to talk
Speaker 1: to you again, and thank you for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to this.
Speaker 2: It was awesome to meet you at the festival too,
Speaker 2: and it's exciting to share. You kind of helped encourage
Speaker 2: me to set the appointment and do the interview, so
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And it looked like you were making some
Speaker 1: really good connections around the fair. I noticed you were
Speaker 1: talking all sorts of people when I was talking to
Speaker 1: lots of people myself at my booth, so that was
Speaker 1: pretty cool to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great. I just happened to stumble upon
Speaker 2: and meet Jeff Rohn, and I was talking with Tobe
Speaker 2: Johnson quite a bit because I'm in the Cottage Grove area,
Speaker 2: so I wanted to kind of talk his ear off
Speaker 2: a little bit and hear more about the Almon Lab stuff,
Speaker 2: and just met a lot of really great people.
Speaker 1: That is fantastic. That's one of my favorite books. It's
Speaker 1: such an incredible read, and big fan of everything that
Speaker 1: Tobe and those guys do. And I've talked to Jeff
Speaker 1: as well. But that's why I'm saying people, you need
Speaker 1: to go to festivals like this, especially the smaller, newer ones,
Speaker 1: because you're going to get connections that you're not going
Speaker 1: to be able to get on the internet, but that
Speaker 1: to the side, Alicia, that's kind of my plug for
Speaker 1: people to go to festivals in person. It's honored to
Speaker 1: have you on here. I'm going to go ahead and
Speaker 1: put things right over to you. But before we start,
Speaker 1: I am going to say this is going to be
Speaker 1: one of those interviews where it'll be kind of a
Speaker 1: more conversational back and forth, just because we want things
Speaker 1: to flow a certain way, and I always check with
Speaker 1: the individual to see if they'd prefer them just taking
Speaker 1: the reins and going or if we want to have
Speaker 1: more of a conversation. So we're going to go ahead
Speaker 1: and do that. So it might be a little bit
Speaker 1: different than you're used to, but it'll be great. And Alicia,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have you go ahead and start off
Speaker 1: where you'd like to start.
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. So I was born and raised in Astoria, Oregon,
Speaker 2: which is like the top left of Oregon, right at
Speaker 2: the mouth of the Columbia River there, and I when
Speaker 2: I was about nine, I think nine years old, I
Speaker 2: lived with my grandparents off not a lot in our childhood,
Speaker 2: and they decided to sell their house in town and
Speaker 2: purchased a five acre property out in called Spincon, but
Speaker 2: it's technically it's still the Astoria zip code, but it's
Speaker 2: about like twenty or thirty minutes east of Astoria off
Speaker 2: Highway thirty. And we moved out there. And the first
Speaker 2: summer I was out there, I had a sleepover with
Speaker 2: a four eight friend and she came over and spent
Speaker 2: the night, and we stayed up later because it was
Speaker 2: a summer night, and we probably went to bed around
Speaker 2: like twelve or twelve thirty and I could not sleep
Speaker 2: because it was just really hot and we didn't have
Speaker 2: ac and she fell asleep within like the first five
Speaker 2: minutes and was snoring. So between the heat and the
Speaker 2: snoring and probably like a leftover caffeine rush, I could
Speaker 2: just not sleep for the life of me. And it
Speaker 2: wasn't very uncommon for me to just lay in bed
Speaker 2: and kind of be in my head thinking about things,
Speaker 2: and so I know I did that for about like
Speaker 2: an hour and a half or so, and at one
Speaker 2: point I got so fed up with the heat that
Speaker 2: I just grabbed my pillow and decided to lay down
Speaker 2: on the carpet below the only window in my room.
Speaker 2: And I'm laying there, and I guess maybe I should
Speaker 2: kind of describe the property a little bit in the area,
Speaker 2: but so it's kind of like in the shape of
Speaker 2: a squoi and it's a corner lot, so the road
Speaker 2: wrapped around like the left and top side of it.
Speaker 2: We had kind of some neighbors on our right side
Speaker 2: and kind of back behind us, but we had a
Speaker 2: lot of elk and deer and coyotes around. We were
Speaker 2: really familiar with the elk and the deer coming into
Speaker 2: our yard and for some reason, they really like to
Speaker 2: enter in this one specific corner, which was like the
Speaker 2: top right corner, and it would lead from the road
Speaker 2: and they'd have to jump over a drainage ditch into
Speaker 2: our field. Our property was pretty open, like not a
Speaker 2: ton of trees, but if on our road because it
Speaker 2: kind of came to a te so it didn't matter
Speaker 2: if you took a left towards our property or right.
Speaker 2: Either way it would end up at like a gravel
Speaker 2: road with just tons of forest and there'd be you know,
Speaker 2: logging trucks coming in and out during the week, and
Speaker 2: so just a lot of forests land back there. But
Speaker 2: our property itself was pretty open, so going back to
Speaker 2: the story. So I'm laying there and it's probably between
Speaker 2: like one thirty two thirty in the morning, and I
Speaker 2: hear this really loud thump and I immediately woke up
Speaker 2: because I was like almost drifting off to sleep, and
Speaker 2: then the thud sound like woke me up. My eyes
Speaker 2: I opened wide open, and immediately after the thud, I
Speaker 2: started to hear running, and it sounded by pedal to me.
Speaker 2: And with the deer and the elk that would always
Speaker 2: come into our yard, I was familiar with the sound
Speaker 2: of them kind of entering our property because you'd hear
Speaker 2: kind of like a first thud and a second thud,
Speaker 2: like the front hoofs followed by the back hooves. And
Speaker 2: this was just like a single thud, So the thud
Speaker 2: and then running towards the direction of the house. I
Speaker 2: kind of heard it approach it, and it probably got
Speaker 2: like halfway through the field, and I started to hear
Speaker 2: really heavy breathing, and at this point I was kind
Speaker 2: of more like paralyzed in fear a little bit because
Speaker 2: I was realizing that it was heading in the direction
Speaker 2: of the house, and like my open window, and even
Speaker 2: though my blinds were closed, I was just like I
Speaker 2: guess nervous that this thing would somehow know whatever it
Speaker 2: was that I was on the other side of the
Speaker 2: window or something, and little paranoid thoughts. But so it
Speaker 2: booked it past my window, and it was so loud,
Speaker 2: like the footfall was really heavy. The breathing, of course,
Speaker 2: became a lot louder, and it just kind of went
Speaker 2: right past my window. It took a single step on
Speaker 2: our gravel driveway and then it hit the pavement, and
Speaker 2: as soon as it hit the pavement, I heard the
Speaker 2: sound of bare feet slapping on pavement, and that really
Speaker 2: kind of tripped me out because I was like a party.
Speaker 2: Me was thinking, there's a person running through our yard
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, which is strange on
Speaker 2: its own, But why would they not be wearing shoes?
Speaker 2: Was my other thought. And then it continued running, and
Speaker 2: then there was like a short pause followed by another thud,
Speaker 2: and then I continued hearing the running again. So it
Speaker 2: actually I realized it ran just far enough to pass,
Speaker 2: Like we had a bordering treeline behind our house separating
Speaker 2: our property in the neighbor's property, and there was like
Speaker 2: old barbed wire in there too, So this thing whatever
Speaker 2: it was, just ran long enough to pass that tree
Speaker 2: wine and then jumped over the ditch and continued running
Speaker 2: in our neighbor's field, which was like three foot tall
Speaker 2: dry grass, and I could hear it like kind of
Speaker 2: pushing down the tall grass as it was running. And
Speaker 2: the other thing about it was just how fast it
Speaker 2: covered ground. Like I mean, I can't even really guess
Speaker 2: how long it took, but I just remember in the
Speaker 2: moment thinking like, wow, this thing is really fast, really heavy,
Speaker 2: and just had no idea. I had a hard time
Speaker 2: believing it was a person, and I didn't tell my
Speaker 2: friend or my family. I was just kind of like
Speaker 2: freaked out and wanted to forget it sort of a thing.
Speaker 2: But that was the first experience I had at that house.
Speaker 2: And then a couple of years later, I was probably
Speaker 2: like thirteen or fourteen, and this is one that I
Speaker 2: experienced with my mom, And by this time we had
Speaker 2: two dogs, and we had like a small Schnauzer mix
Speaker 2: and then kind of a medium sized pit bull rescue,
Speaker 2: and the two of them were like they would just
Speaker 2: and go running after anything on our property, like didn't
Speaker 2: matter if it was you know, big elk or the
Speaker 2: deer or people. They would just take off running. We
Speaker 2: actually had to be careful about letting them outside if
Speaker 2: we had elk in our yard and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But my mom and I went shopping for the day
Speaker 2: and we had probably been gone about like five hours,
Speaker 2: i'd say, and no one else was home. So when
Speaker 2: we got home, first thing, we were like, oh, got
Speaker 2: to take the dogs out because they probably need to go.
Speaker 2: And so we let them out the back porch and
Speaker 2: we start walking out there with them, and we noticed
Speaker 2: that they wouldn't go down off the porch, so we
Speaker 2: kind of decided to walk down off the few steps
Speaker 2: and onto this little tile paver area and it's dark.
Speaker 2: I don't remember there being any source of light outside
Speaker 2: of like our porch light reaching as far as it did.
Speaker 2: So we can see stars and you know, no moonlight
Speaker 2: or anything, because it was pitch black beyond like the
Speaker 2: porch light. So and as we're walking down the stairs
Speaker 2: off the porch, we're kind of talking. I think we
Speaker 2: were just resuming a conversation we were having in the car,
Speaker 2: and we think the dogs came off the porch and
Speaker 2: are doing their thing, but we're just talking and not
Speaker 2: paying attention and then all of a sudden, in front
Speaker 2: of us, we start to hear something like trudging through
Speaker 2: the BlackBerry bushes, walking through them like it's no problem
Speaker 2: at all, and they'd probably be like, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of waist height BlackBerry bushes. And it's again like heavy footsteps,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of like a boom boom boom sound,
Speaker 2: and my mom's and I both stopped talking, and she's like,
Speaker 2: do you hear that? And you know what is that?
Speaker 2: And she thought maybe it was an elk and I
Speaker 2: was like, no, I don't hear like the hoofs, and
Speaker 2: and she's like, could it be a cougar? And I
Speaker 2: thought no, I think it would be trying to sneak
Speaker 2: up on us if it was a cougar. And it
Speaker 2: just keeps like a really steady pace of approaching us,
Speaker 2: and then it gets as it's getting closer, I start
Speaker 2: to hear deep, heavy breathing and I instantly think back
Speaker 2: and remember that night at the sleepover when that thing
Speaker 2: ran through our yard, and it reminded me so much
Speaker 2: of that sound, just like the heaviness of it and
Speaker 2: the breathing, and it wasn't slowing down, and it also
Speaker 2: wasn't speeding up, but it was just like beelining straight
Speaker 2: for us, and we should have been able to see it,
Speaker 2: but again, it was so dark and the porch light
Speaker 2: only illuminated so far. And then my mom is just like, wait,
Speaker 2: were the dogs, and because we hadn't heard a peep
Speaker 2: out of them, and we look up and they're still
Speaker 2: on the porch. They're actually standing at the back door
Speaker 2: with their tails tucked and their hackles up, and they
Speaker 2: look terrified, which is very abnormal for them. They always
Speaker 2: freak out when something's on our property. And we were like,
Speaker 2: this is weird. So my mom just goes get in
Speaker 2: the house and we ran in and she locked the door,
Speaker 2: and immediately she ran over and like closed the blinds
Speaker 2: to a window that, if it were daylight, would have
Speaker 2: been facing where that thing was walking towards us, Like
Speaker 2: we would have been able to see it had there
Speaker 2: been light, but we couldn't. Yeah, of course it was
Speaker 2: pitch black. So it weirded me out that she closed
Speaker 2: the blinds. I mean, I think that was just kind
Speaker 2: of like a mom instinct, like protective thing. But I
Speaker 2: remember thinking, you know, if it was an animal, why
Speaker 2: would you close the blinds, but and that freaked us out.
Speaker 2: We didn't really talk about it too much after that,
Speaker 2: but she'll still talk about it with me and agree
Speaker 2: that that was weird, and we both kind of question,
Speaker 2: you know, what it could have been, but I kind
Speaker 2: of I lean more towards the bigfoot stuff and she's
Speaker 2: open to that. But yeah, both of those things are
Speaker 2: I guess still up in the air. Just didn't sound
Speaker 2: like any animal I could think of. I guess.
Speaker 1: Was that the same property as well?
Speaker 2: Or yes, yeah, sorry, that was the same property. Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: We were probably out there for like eight years, I
Speaker 2: want to say, but yeah, and those were the two
Speaker 2: main kind of experiences we had out there. And I
Speaker 2: asked other parts of my family, like my brother lived
Speaker 2: with us and then my grandparents, and I don't recall
Speaker 2: them sharing anything, but yeah, they were interesting.
Speaker 1: You said it was east of Astoria.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you take Highway thirty and head towards
Speaker 2: like Rainier organ and like we're the bridge is going
Speaker 2: over to long View out that way, I think it's
Speaker 2: about like maybe eighteen or twenty miles east of Astoria.
Speaker 2: It's still considered the same zip code, but there's like
Speaker 2: a little sign that says Spincon. But yeah, it's right
Speaker 2: before NAPA.
Speaker 1: So were you close to Rainier or not too close?
Speaker 2: I think from Spincon Rainier probably would have been another
Speaker 2: like thirty five forty minutes, but yeah, it's from Astoria'd
Speaker 2: probably be more like a forty five to fifty minute
Speaker 2: kind of track.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, So in terms of Bigfoot moving around, it's
Speaker 1: it's not that far away. Big for society will be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of like forest land out there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: there's quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah you've heard the have you heard there in years
Speaker 1: stuff I've had on this podcast that was that was.
Speaker 2: The first one I ever heard. Was it really really
Speaker 2: gotten hooked?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there may be more coming to that in a
Speaker 1: few years. We'll see. Oh cool, prass your fingers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So thinking back to that time when you're I mean
Speaker 1: you're pretty young. We just heard that you were around
Speaker 1: thirteen to fourteen in the last account, did you ever
Speaker 1: notice any weird stuff on the property besides hearing the
Speaker 1: sounds the footprints, did you ever see like any weird
Speaker 1: things done to trees or other sounds that didn't make
Speaker 1: sense or just kind of out of place stuff.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, so I didn't really explore much of
Speaker 2: the woods or anything out that way. And like our
Speaker 2: property I mentioned, we didn't really have a ton of trees.
Speaker 2: Other people's properties would, but ours was fairly open. In fact,
Speaker 2: I think that there were like a lot of young
Speaker 2: trees that were just planted. And I drove past that
Speaker 2: property somewhat in the last recent and last pry three
Speaker 2: years and those trees have already grown. You can't even
Speaker 2: like see the house anymore as you drive by. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so I didn't notice any interesting structures or things like that.
Speaker 2: But to be honest, I don't think I would have
Speaker 2: an eye for it. It wasn't until I learned about
Speaker 2: that stuff that I like will see at anytime I'm
Speaker 2: out in the woods. But we did have a kind
Speaker 2: of a separate living room on the end of the house,
Speaker 2: or one end of the house that was kind of
Speaker 2: like a TV family room, and the porch kind of
Speaker 2: hugged around that side of the house but had a
Speaker 2: ramp leading up to it, And there was a lot
Speaker 2: of summer nights that I would fall asleep with the
Speaker 2: TV on like no volume, but leaving the TV on
Speaker 2: for kind of like light. And when I would be asleep,
Speaker 2: kind of in the middle of the night, I would
Speaker 2: be woken up to the sound of someone stepping on
Speaker 2: the creaky boards of that ramp, and I would wake
Speaker 2: up and listen, and I wouldn't hear any addition, any
Speaker 2: additional like footsteps leading off or continuing onto the porch.
Speaker 2: It would just be like the creaks of specific boards
Speaker 2: that I knew myself from just walking on it, and
Speaker 2: then there would be no other sound. So that always
Speaker 2: I always wondered about. But aside from that, I don't
Speaker 2: really remember much else. My brother saw a cougar at night,
Speaker 2: kind of backlit by the moonlight one night while he
Speaker 2: was out smoking on the porch, But yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: I asked him, and he didn't seem to remember any
Speaker 2: like strange non wildlife type experiences.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, And did that ever come up in conversations with neighbors, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: we had something weird running around on our property, Do
Speaker 1: you guys ever have anything or anything like that?
Speaker 2: No, not that I not that I'm aware of. I
Speaker 2: don't know if my you know, it's possible that that
Speaker 2: was you know, conversations between my grandparents and my mom,
Speaker 2: but I we only talked to about one neighbor in particular.
Speaker 2: They were on our right and they pretty much kept
Speaker 2: to themselves, but they would let us know if there was,
Speaker 2: you know, any sightings of cougars in the area, or
Speaker 2: you know, if animals, like their pets were getting messed
Speaker 2: with by coyotes or anything. But it was mostly just
Speaker 2: kind of your typical small talk with them. And yeah,
Speaker 2: they had a couple of horses and a couple of dogs,
Speaker 2: but we didn't really Yeah, it was just kind of
Speaker 2: a simple, you know, high neighbor sort of a thing.
Speaker 2: Weather's nice kind of talk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally get it. Kind of similar maybe to
Speaker 1: New England a little bit in a way, which is
Speaker 1: where I grew up. But so abound that time of
Speaker 1: your your life, you had some interesting things happen and
Speaker 1: you're kind of open to well maybe this bigfoot, maybe not.
Speaker 1: And then did other things happen pretty close to that
Speaker 1: or was it another multiple year gap between something else?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was probably another another good gap. So like
Speaker 2: my next experience was more like when I was twenty
Speaker 2: one or twenty two age range, I've grown up having
Speaker 2: kind of like paranormal activity stuff, and I moved around
Speaker 2: quite a bit in my childhood, so we'd be in
Speaker 2: houses and i'd kind of have more experiences surrounding like
Speaker 2: maybe quote unquote haunted house type of situation or things
Speaker 2: like that, but not as much in the realm of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: So but when I was, yeah, that age range of
Speaker 2: twenty one twenty two, I was working in the service
Speaker 2: industry and befriended this gal and her boyfriend who I
Speaker 2: worked together with, and we decided to go camping together.
Speaker 2: And if you head down one on one from Astoria,
Speaker 2: you can go past Seaside and wind up at that
Speaker 2: junction where it splits off to either stay on one
Speaker 2: on one or take Highway twenty six. That'll go over
Speaker 2: a pass and it kind of spits you out towards
Speaker 2: Beaverton area. And on that pass is a campground called
Speaker 2: Spruce Run. So we decided to go camp that way,
Speaker 2: and they brought their dog with them, but otherwise it
Speaker 2: was just the three of us and we When you
Speaker 2: first pull off of Highway twenty six towards the you
Speaker 2: know the sign for the campground, it kind of the
Speaker 2: road splits and you can go left and up towards
Speaker 2: the lake, which is called Lost Lake, or you can
Speaker 2: go to the right and go down into the campground.
Speaker 2: We wanted to go out and check out the lake,
Speaker 2: but we decided to go grab our spot first and
Speaker 2: kind of set up a little bit. So we went
Speaker 2: down and we found our camp spot, and when we
Speaker 2: were driving down in, I noticed off to the left
Speaker 2: that there was a trailhead that kind of hugged and
Speaker 2: paralleled the road of the lake kind of drive up
Speaker 2: or whatever, and so I made a comment of that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, I wonder if that, you know,
Speaker 2: that trail leads to the lake, maybe we should try
Speaker 2: to hike to it. And it's probably not that long.
Speaker 2: So we decided to do that. After we set up,
Speaker 2: we walked over to the trailhead and there was no
Speaker 2: like signs at that time, so it didn't like, I
Speaker 2: don't even know if the trail had like a name
Speaker 2: or anything. And then there was just kind of like
Speaker 2: a blink sign area. But we decided to take the
Speaker 2: truck anyways, and their dog was really excited, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of had the zoomies. You'd run up ahead of
Speaker 2: us and then come back. But then I was leading
Speaker 2: in front, and you know, besides the dog, and every
Speaker 2: like twenty feet probably I was running into cobwebs. And
Speaker 2: then the trail was pretty overgrown. You could tell it
Speaker 2: wasn't really maintained. And so I remember making a comment
Speaker 2: about partway, you know, about five minutes in or something
Speaker 2: that like, I don't think anyone's taking this trail recently,
Speaker 2: because I'm literally walking into gobwebs, you know, every fifteen
Speaker 2: or twenty feet, And pretty soon it turns into just switchbacks,
Speaker 2: and so the dogs like running up ahead of me
Speaker 2: kind of partially up the next switchback, and then he
Speaker 2: turns around and comes running back and he'll check in
Speaker 2: with his owners. And we get like twenty minutes into
Speaker 2: the hike, and all of a sudden, something like throws
Speaker 2: a decent sized rock up and over our heads, like
Speaker 2: this perfect arch, and it just like wax trees all
Speaker 2: the way down, and I stop and we all look
Speaker 2: at each other and we're just kind of like, what
Speaker 2: was that? And I'm trying to kind of look up
Speaker 2: because there's a bit of like a ridge up above us,
Speaker 2: and I don't, you know, I don't see anything, and
Speaker 2: the dogs like all perked up and curious. But I
Speaker 2: think I made a joke of you know, I think
Speaker 2: at that point I had heard about bigfoots throwing rocks,
Speaker 2: and so I think I cracked a joke like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a bigfoot. But we were we were kind
Speaker 2: of puzzled, but I was curious and also wanted to
Speaker 2: continue hiking, and so I think we just decided to
Speaker 2: keep going a little farther. I think I kind of
Speaker 2: encouraged it a bit.
Speaker 1: How did the other people in the party react to
Speaker 1: your joke.
Speaker 2: I think they just kind of laughed a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean they were they'd be open minded to chatting
Speaker 2: about subjects like that, but I don't know if they
Speaker 2: personally were, you know, in that boat of believing in them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I remember them just kind of
Speaker 2: giggling at it, and I think they were more concerned
Speaker 2: that it was a person maybe up there, like camping
Speaker 2: out or like, you know, maybe like a homeless person
Speaker 2: living up there. But I was like, oh, it's probably
Speaker 2: you know, it's probably nothing, or maybe it wasn't a rock.
Speaker 2: I remember us kind of trying to talk through it
Speaker 2: of like maybe it's not a big of a deal.
Speaker 2: But I in my head, I was like curious and
Speaker 2: kind of hoping that it was a rock thrown by bigfoot.
Speaker 2: So I was encouraging them to keep going, and we
Speaker 2: went probably i think like one and a half more switchbacks,
Speaker 2: and a second one was thrown. So I immediately looked
Speaker 2: up the ridge or hill side again and I could
Speaker 2: see where I think it came from, because this bush
Speaker 2: was kind of shaking pretty like rapidly, and I pointed
Speaker 2: it out and they're like, oh yeah, and I could
Speaker 2: see on their faces they were weirded out, And I
Speaker 2: mean I was a little weighted out, but I was
Speaker 2: kind of more excited and curious than afraid. But at
Speaker 2: this point, the dog actually turned around and started descending
Speaker 2: the trail without us, like he wasn't having any of it.
Speaker 2: And I think at this point in the trail we
Speaker 2: were also wanting to know like how much farther it was,
Speaker 2: and it started to seem like it was taking longer
Speaker 2: than it should because the road leading up to it
Speaker 2: is very short, like it shouldn't take that long to
Speaker 2: kind of get to but this, yeah, the second time
Speaker 2: that the rock was thrown, it did the same exact thing,
Speaker 2: like the same exact perfect arch. It was way up
Speaker 2: over our heads and then hit multiple trees as it
Speaker 2: came down. But when I looked up where I think
Speaker 2: that it kind of came from, there were you could
Speaker 2: see that that wasn't a part of the trail, like
Speaker 2: the switchbacks were about to stop, and like maybe it
Speaker 2: continues farther off to the right or something, because you
Speaker 2: couldn't see. It was just all overgrown, and it didn't
Speaker 2: make sense to me that a person would be hiding
Speaker 2: up there and just like throwing rocks at people. And
Speaker 2: I think at this point too, I was still running
Speaker 2: into cobwebs, maybe a little less, but there was still
Speaker 2: quite a few as we continued up there, and so
Speaker 2: we just kind of decided, Okay, like something is either
Speaker 2: maybe not wanting us up there or is messing with us.
Speaker 2: And because I could tell they were a little uncomfortable
Speaker 2: and the dog was like ready to leave, we decided
Speaker 2: to go back down to the campground and drive up
Speaker 2: to the lake instead, And so we went and we
Speaker 2: did that, came back, had some food and things, and
Speaker 2: I remember when the boyfriend was taking the cooler out
Speaker 2: of the car, he was making a comment that the
Speaker 2: cooler was really heavy, and my friend his girlfriend was
Speaker 2: kind of laughing, like, you know, why did you pack
Speaker 2: so much? And we were only going to be there
Speaker 2: for one night, but he's a cook and so he
Speaker 2: got really into bringing lots of good food. And then
Speaker 2: my friend and I worked at a beer growler station,
Speaker 2: so we had like heavy thirty ounce you know, jars
Speaker 2: of craft beer in there, and then like the ice
Speaker 2: and all that. So it was probably like a thirty
Speaker 2: five pound or so cooler when he was taking it out.
Speaker 2: And anyway, so I'm making that note because when we
Speaker 2: went to bed that night, I was woken up at
Speaker 2: some point, you know, middle of the night to hearing
Speaker 2: that cooler being dragged across the gravel on the ground.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like I didn't hear any other sound
Speaker 2: of like something trying to open the cooler or scratch
Speaker 2: at it. I didn't hear any footsteps or something like scamping,
Speaker 2: like scampering around the camp. It was literally just the
Speaker 2: like it happened three times. You would hear it drag
Speaker 2: across the cooler, it would pause, and then it did
Speaker 2: it again, and then there was kind of a longer pause,
Speaker 2: and then it happened one more time, and I stayed
Speaker 2: awake listening because I was like, if it's you know,
Speaker 2: a small animal, I think you'd hear more or any
Speaker 2: animal to hear more noises. If it was like a
Speaker 2: bear or something, you probably you're like sniffing or you know,
Speaker 2: something like that. And there was no other noise. It
Speaker 2: was literally just something. And it almost reminded me of
Speaker 2: like a paranormal type experience where an inanimate object is
Speaker 2: like being moved, but you don't like hear any other
Speaker 2: noises to kind of logically explain it. It reminded me
Speaker 2: of that in a way. So, you know, little things
Speaker 2: that were just weird enough to make you question or yeah, wonder,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: That is that's extremely weird. Yeah, I feel like we
Speaker 1: are missing some foundation foundational information you because you alluded
Speaker 1: to it, really and I just I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're you're if you're not comfortable with this, that's fine,
Speaker 1: because is I do will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: But what kind of stuff was also happening when you
Speaker 1: were younger?
Speaker 2: Well, so, like I said, I moved around a lot,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm totally comfortable getting into it. I just
Speaker 2: didn't know how much I should kind of keep it
Speaker 2: strictly to bigfoot stuff, but or being out in the woods.
Speaker 2: So I remember being woken up a lot from like
Speaker 2: deeper sleeps and just having an overwhelming presence feeling in
Speaker 2: the room. I was terrified of sleeping alone and like
Speaker 2: in the dark. Even if I was like sleeping with
Speaker 2: my mom, there had to be a night light because
Speaker 2: I would get woken up so often. I like noises,
Speaker 2: and not just not just your typical like floorboard creaking
Speaker 2: or the house settling, you know, like wood expansion or
Speaker 2: whatever it was. It would sound more like tapping or knocking,
Speaker 2: or or it would be something that I didn't hear.
Speaker 2: It would just be an overwhelming sense of like a
Speaker 2: presence of something in the room. Might even be kind
Speaker 2: of hyper focused on, like a certain corner, but not
Speaker 2: stuff that you know, could probably be chopped up to
Speaker 2: you know, kids fear and wild imaginations. But I woke
Speaker 2: up in my grandma's house before they sold their house
Speaker 2: and we moved out to Spencent. They had a pink
Speaker 2: house up on the hill in Astoria, and one morning
Speaker 2: everyone was downstairs eating breakfast and I was sleeping in
Speaker 2: I must have been like five or six, probably, But
Speaker 2: I woke up to the door just like slowly being
Speaker 2: pushed open, which wasn't something that a breeze could do
Speaker 2: because it was a really tall, like shaggy carpet and
Speaker 2: it would require some effort to kind of push it open,
Speaker 2: and that freaked me out. I booked it and ran downstairs,
Speaker 2: and then I used to see like shadows in the
Speaker 2: corner of my eyes that I would just kind of
Speaker 2: brush off or ignore because I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: I avoided for most of my childhood trying to understand
Speaker 2: or explain things that would happen. But that's because it
Speaker 2: was like too scary for me to really try to
Speaker 2: understand or think about. I was pretty easily spooked as
Speaker 2: a kid, Like I had to be careful of what
Speaker 2: I watched and things like that because it would just
Speaker 2: kind of linger for me, or it would feel so real.
Speaker 2: Even if it was just like a you know, a
Speaker 2: made up movie or something, it would feel very real.
Speaker 2: And I've also always just had a very open mind
Speaker 2: when it came to the possibility of things existing like
Speaker 2: Bigfoot or you know, aliens, ghosts, you know, forest creatures,
Speaker 2: things like that, and I kind of feel like because
Speaker 2: I've had an open mind to it, that I've naturally
Speaker 2: been like approached or like exposed to experiencing more because
Speaker 2: I don't know, and that's just like my theory on
Speaker 2: it is because I'm if other people tell me stories
Speaker 2: or things that they believe, and I just kind of like,
Speaker 2: I listen to them and you know, take them by
Speaker 2: their word if they if they seem authentic and without judgment,
Speaker 2: and like, wow, you know, I personally don't know if
Speaker 2: I believe in that specific thing, but I'm willing to
Speaker 2: hear it and hear them out and not discredit them
Speaker 2: for it. So I think a lot has to do
Speaker 2: with my just open mindedness to the possibilities has made
Speaker 2: me experience a lot more. And that stuff really vamped
Speaker 2: up more in like my teenage years and my early
Speaker 2: to mid twenties, and I still get little things here
Speaker 2: and there, usually when I'm by myself, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: something I'm more used to now and I've kind of
Speaker 2: overcome the fear and became more curious about things. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so if that kind of explains it, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know that that really makes sense any weird dreams
Speaker 1: or or any weird communication or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have a specifically with bigfoot. I was
Speaker 2: debating whether I should add it or not into the stories.
Speaker 2: But when I was young, or probably like between five
Speaker 2: and seven, I would have a reoccurring dream about a
Speaker 2: bigfoot like watching me through a window, and it was
Speaker 2: always a square window. Weirdly enough, I should probably look
Speaker 2: into like the symbology of you know, like dream symbolism
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But I would always be alone,
Speaker 2: and typically in like my Grandma's house would be the setting.
Speaker 2: But I'd be in the living room like watching TV
Speaker 2: alone with nobody else home, and then suddenly I'd get
Speaker 2: the feeling that I was being watched, and I would
Speaker 2: look up, and sure enough it would be that square
Speaker 2: window with just the shoulders and the head of a bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And I would immediately book it to the next room
Speaker 2: over and find a hiding spot where I felt like
Speaker 2: I was out of view and for a moment feel
Speaker 2: safe and like I wasn't seen. And then the feeling
Speaker 2: would come back around and I'd feel it again, and
Speaker 2: I'd look up and where on a wall there wasn't
Speaker 2: a window before that same square window like manifested in
Speaker 2: the dream, and that same exact Bigfoot would be right there,
Speaker 2: and it was always during the daytime. I wish I
Speaker 2: could like think of or remember more details about like
Speaker 2: the face, but I in my dream, I would always
Speaker 2: kind of book it as soon as I saw, like
Speaker 2: the silhouette, and so I don't have much like memory
Speaker 2: of the specifics of what it looked like or anything.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and that one. I probably had that dream
Speaker 2: like six or eight times, and it would just always
Speaker 2: play out the same way, like maybe the house was
Speaker 2: a little different, but the same exact thing would happen
Speaker 2: every time. And I told my mom about it the
Speaker 2: other day, asking her, you know, when she might think
Speaker 2: I was exposed to, like the idea of Bigfoot existing,
Speaker 2: because I don't remember, you know, I never saw Harry
Speaker 2: and the Henderson's until I was like twenty three, so
Speaker 2: and of course Bigfoot's marketed and used all over the
Speaker 2: place now, But back then, I mean that would have
Speaker 2: been like the mid to late nineties, it wasn't as
Speaker 2: common to see that, you know, silhouette or be exposed
Speaker 2: to the idea of Bigfoot. And you know, like I said,
Speaker 2: she was careful about what I would watch or see
Speaker 2: as a kid, so she she couldn't think of a
Speaker 2: time when maybe I would have learned about the possibility
Speaker 2: of them. So I kind of tripped out at the
Speaker 2: thought of, like, whoa, what if I was having these
Speaker 2: dreams before I even knew they existed. But I can't
Speaker 2: like confirm or deny that.
Speaker 1: That's that's super super interesting And thank you for sharing that,
Speaker 1: because that's that's pretty personal. Well this all is. But yeah,
Speaker 1: any questions I asked you, you can shut me down.
Speaker 1: Do you have a religious background at all?
Speaker 2: I do not. There's been times when like my mom
Speaker 2: or grandparents would attend church, like Christian churches, and I
Speaker 2: went to church a little bit as a kid, but
Speaker 2: it wasn't super enforced and it wasn't something that stayed.
Speaker 2: And then personally, I've dabbled in a lot more like
Speaker 2: spirituality stuff. But I'm now at a point in my
Speaker 2: life where, you know, if I kind of go through
Speaker 2: phases where I feel more connected to spirituality and other
Speaker 2: times I don't. It kind of just depends what I
Speaker 2: do or how I'm feeling. But it's not like a
Speaker 2: you know, it's like an everyday thing, or I don't
Speaker 2: take it super seriously. I just kind of have a
Speaker 2: openness to the possibilities of all of it. I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say dabble with stuff is like meditation.
Speaker 2: Stuff, I thought, yeah, meditation like divination like tarot cards
Speaker 2: and pendulums. There was a time in my twenties where
Speaker 2: I was really into that stuff, and now it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, I know about it and I
Speaker 2: have it, but I don't always use them or mess
Speaker 2: with those things. I just kind of when it feels
Speaker 2: right or when I feel like utilizing them.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're probably a type of person where
Speaker 1: you're sensitive to different things, maybe even able to get
Speaker 1: vibes about certain people that around you.
Speaker 2: Perhaps, Yeah, I think some of my own personal like
Speaker 2: like social anxieties or things like that, like mental health stuff,
Speaker 2: tend to get the way of Like when I'm around
Speaker 2: other people, I don't feel as sensitive to you know them.
Speaker 2: I think I can pick up on, you know, whether
Speaker 2: I think someone's being honest or authentic with me, But
Speaker 2: I definitely don't pick up on you know, I don't
Speaker 2: claim to have any specific like gifts, I guess if
Speaker 2: that makes sense, But based off of you know, reading
Speaker 2: about the different types like Claire buoyance or whatever, things
Speaker 2: like that. A lot of my experiences have been audible,
Speaker 2: and I tend to hear things that people other people
Speaker 2: don't and so if anything, kind of leans more towards
Speaker 2: like the Claire audience side of things. But I don't
Speaker 2: like claim any of those as a label.
Speaker 1: If yeah, that's that's really interesting. So you never have
Speaker 1: like you're around someone who don't know and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I feel like it really should talk to them for
Speaker 1: some reason, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't. I haven't had that. I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: be drawn towards people if I feel like they give
Speaker 2: off good energy or good vibes, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it. But I tend to think like I just
Speaker 2: end up stumbling upon like being at the right place
Speaker 2: at the right time and meeting people like I actually
Speaker 2: view the festival as kind of that, because that was
Speaker 2: the first time I attended one of those things, and
Speaker 2: I was a little nervous to get out there and
Speaker 2: you know, be put myself. I don't. I don't go
Speaker 2: out too much and I've got a pretty small circle
Speaker 2: and just kind of do my thing. So getting out
Speaker 2: in the public or bigger events sometimes can like I
Speaker 2: can talk myself out of going, but I made myself
Speaker 2: go and it ended up being amazing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely, Well thanks for thanks for backtracking a
Speaker 1: little bit and going over some of the foundational stuff. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: year we were last talking about the Campsite incident in
Speaker 1: your in your early twenties, and.
Speaker 2: Then oh, I actually do have a little like side
Speaker 2: note spin off experience to that. So I can't remember
Speaker 2: what year that was, but so when I was around
Speaker 2: like twenty one two, and that was probably in the springtime,
Speaker 2: I want to say, like late spring or early summer.
Speaker 2: But anyways, that following December, my parents were living in
Speaker 2: central Oregon at the time in Redmond, and we went
Speaker 2: to their house around Christmas time and my brother and
Speaker 2: I and one of my good friends at the time,
Speaker 2: we decided to go hike at Smith Rock. And we
Speaker 2: instead of going up and over you know the big
Speaker 2: rock stuff, like the kind of the main trail, I
Speaker 2: forget what the actual trail name is called, but there's
Speaker 2: also you can kind of go down to the left
Speaker 2: and just follow down along the flat canyon area. So
Speaker 2: we decided to do that one and I was telling
Speaker 2: them the story about the rock throwing the Spruce Run
Speaker 2: campground and we're in like a single file line. My
Speaker 2: brother's leading my friends in the middle, and then I'm
Speaker 2: in the back. And at the time, no one was
Speaker 2: like around us. I think we were on a part
Speaker 2: of the trail that maybe other people weren't either at
Speaker 2: yet or just wasn't like a high traffic time. It
Speaker 2: was just mostly felt like it was us. We didn't
Speaker 2: pass that many people. So anyways, I'm like kind of
Speaker 2: telling this story as we're walking along, and my friend
Speaker 2: in the middle just asked me, like, you know, I
Speaker 2: can't remember how she worded it, but she was essentially
Speaker 2: asking me if I thought that there was something more
Speaker 2: to them, like intelligence or you know, stranger about them,
Speaker 2: something like more complex, and you know, I immediately answered with, like, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 2: like that was kind of where I was leaning towards.
Speaker 2: And right after I said yes, absolutely, I we heard
Speaker 2: this PLoP right behind us and we turn around and
Speaker 2: this like flat, larger rock was thrown from somewhere and
Speaker 2: was just dropped perfectly centered in the path behind us,
Speaker 2: like we had just walked through there. We knew that
Speaker 2: that rock wasn't there before, and we all heard like
Speaker 2: the PLoP of it landing behind us, and I turned
Speaker 2: around and saw it, and we all looked at each
Speaker 2: other and they're like, that was weird, and we look around.
Speaker 2: I think there was to our right more of like
Speaker 2: a big.
Speaker 1: Rock face wall, big so society who will be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages, So there.
Speaker 2: Was nobody, you know, on our right, and then on
Speaker 2: our left was like a moving kind of little like
Speaker 2: ravine area and the water was kind of loud. But
Speaker 2: on the opposite side of the running water there is
Speaker 2: another trail, but it's a little bit farther out and
Speaker 2: there's nothing but you know, like maybe knee hide rocks
Speaker 2: and sagebrush, and there was nobody over there. And we
Speaker 2: looked in front of us, behind us, and no one
Speaker 2: was around us at that time. But also even if
Speaker 2: somebody did throw, like a human throw a rock from
Speaker 2: the other side, that water was pretty loud, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't imagine that from there that they could really hear
Speaker 2: us that well. And like the story I was telling
Speaker 2: and just the timing of it was really interesting. So
Speaker 2: that felt almost like a confirmation to when I answered
Speaker 2: that question to her, I was like, oh, that was funny. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that was just a little kind of spin off
Speaker 2: of that story, just the timing and everything.
Speaker 1: So it's so weird because I've had multiple interviews recently
Speaker 1: and some of them got really deep, and there have
Speaker 1: been other people that have said a similar variant of
Speaker 1: what you just said, where it's like they were saying
Speaker 1: something in the exact second after they stopped saying it,
Speaker 1: there was some physical like something fell or a tree
Speaker 1: was pushed over. That's a wild way. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: very interesting thing that you just mentioned, because it's something
Speaker 1: that I'm starting to hear from other people that are
Speaker 1: also very open to certain things like you are saying.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if there's a connection there, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I don't know. I mean, just based
Speaker 2: off of my own experience, that's kind of where my
Speaker 2: head leads and what I kind of theorized, but of
Speaker 2: course we all have our own individual experiences. During that
Speaker 2: time too, I was listening to and watching different YouTube
Speaker 2: channels where I was kind of learning more about people's
Speaker 2: encounters and things more beyond just like the flesh and
Speaker 2: blood idea of them. So that was kind of already
Speaker 2: on my mind, and it seemed like once I would
Speaker 2: learn something new, and I was like exposed to a
Speaker 2: new idea or like maybe thing that people assumed that
Speaker 2: they did, like rock throwing or the tree knocky and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. It was like as soon as I
Speaker 2: had read or listened to something that talked about it,
Speaker 2: I would experience it or yeah, like encounter that. So
Speaker 2: and I kind of I always lead back to the
Speaker 2: idea that you know, we kind of we tend to
Speaker 2: perceive things based off of what we know. You know,
Speaker 2: It's like if you don't know that something is a
Speaker 2: possibility or exists, it's like your brain might not pick
Speaker 2: up on that or even see it, like you'd walk
Speaker 2: right past it, or you chalk it up to a
Speaker 2: bird making a noise or whatever. So yeah, just trying
Speaker 2: to like learn and listen to more people's encounters makes
Speaker 2: me want to get out and kind of try to
Speaker 2: experience more things.
Speaker 1: I think. I think there's something to that, definitely. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think when you're you're studying different things like this,
Speaker 1: you are going to be familiar with certain things that
Speaker 1: if you had just heard a weird bird in the
Speaker 1: woods that didn't really sound like a bird, you'd probably
Speaker 1: think that's just a weird bird. But then yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're maybe familiar with bigfoot stuff, you might be thinking
Speaker 1: some other stuff too, So I totally get it. You
Speaker 1: also had some some things happen after that. Correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's kind of my most recent experience that I had,
Speaker 2: and again it's a more like audible experience, but it
Speaker 2: was my first time going out with kind of the
Speaker 2: newer knowledge and ideas and possibilities about them. And after
Speaker 2: learning that, I had been wanting to go out and
Speaker 2: find an area where I could try to maybe i'd like.
Speaker 2: People use the word habituation. I think I learned that
Speaker 2: from listening to your podcast, but basically something like that,
Speaker 2: where I'd go and I try to bring gifts and
Speaker 2: see if I could, you know, maybe stir things up.
Speaker 2: And the other thing too was the method of people
Speaker 2: going out and just talking out loud in the woods.
Speaker 2: And it felt very strange to me to like try
Speaker 2: to do that, and you know, I kind of laughed
Speaker 2: at myself or felt silly for doing it, but that
Speaker 2: was kind of my intention, was to go out and
Speaker 2: find a spot and try those things. And at the
Speaker 2: time I was living in Venitas before I moved out
Speaker 2: to Cottage grove. I was twenty nine, so this was
Speaker 2: spring of twenty twenty three, and I decided to head
Speaker 2: west towards like the sayus Law National Forest. And I
Speaker 2: was driving around for quite a while and nothing was
Speaker 2: really you know popping out or there wasn't like the
Speaker 2: perfect turnoff the area, and I wasn't really sure exactly
Speaker 2: what I was looking for. I just kind of you know,
Speaker 2: winging it. And then I noticed this gate that's blocking
Speaker 2: off this cement bridge and I noticed it was going
Speaker 2: over the bridge was you know, over the saius Law River.
Speaker 2: So I decided to just pull out. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just want to see the water and maybe experienced
Speaker 2: in like nice nature spot for a second. So I
Speaker 2: just got out and took a break and parked my
Speaker 2: car in front of the gate, and I walk around
Speaker 2: the gate and onto the bridge, and there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of like old leaf debris, pine needles, you know, like
Speaker 2: little twigs and stuff that had fallen. And so I
Speaker 2: could tell that it wasn't like they hadn't used. I
Speaker 2: assumed it was kind of like leading towards like a
Speaker 2: logging operation road or something, but didn't seem like anyone
Speaker 2: had driven across it for a while, and then on
Speaker 2: the opposite side was kind of some overgrown grass that
Speaker 2: maybe had old tire mark tread lines. But yeah, So
Speaker 2: I start walking on the bridge and I get about
Speaker 2: like five or six feet in and I hear this
Speaker 2: knock from underneath the bridge. But it sounded metallic, like
Speaker 2: something knocked on. Like the first thing that popped in
Speaker 2: my head was like the metal support of beam underneath
Speaker 2: or something like that. And because it definitely came from
Speaker 2: below me, and it was definitely like a tin kind
Speaker 2: of knocking sound, and I stopped and listened for a
Speaker 2: second and was like, hm, maybe that was just kind
Speaker 2: of something settling and making a noise. I don't know,
Speaker 2: So I kept walking. I stopped in the middle for
Speaker 2: a second, and then I continued towards the other end
Speaker 2: of the bridge, and just before I reached the end
Speaker 2: of the bridge on the opposite side, I heard it again,
Speaker 2: except funny enough, it didn't sound like a perfect little knock.
Speaker 2: It sounded like something tried to slap the metal beam
Speaker 2: or whatever it was with like its finger, and like
Speaker 2: didn't hit it just right, so it was like it
Speaker 2: didn't come out. It was like quieter, and it almost
Speaker 2: sounded like a misfire knock. If that makes sense, I
Speaker 2: don't know, because I don't know, And maybe that was
Speaker 2: intentional the way it sounded, but it sounded to me
Speaker 2: like I could hear the like fingers smacking it, but
Speaker 2: not as you know, loud as they intended to kind
Speaker 2: of thing. And then I so at that point I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, that's weird those noises, and I started
Speaker 2: to walk very quietly, like as quiet as I could,
Speaker 2: across the debris back to my car in case, you know,
Speaker 2: I had the idea of like, oh, maybe there's a
Speaker 2: person under there. I should maybe be conscious of that.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm a girl out in the woods
Speaker 2: out here all by myself without any cell phone service.
Speaker 2: So I slowly start to walk back towards my car,
Speaker 2: and when I hit almost the end of the bridge
Speaker 2: again it happens and it's another more of a knock sound,
Speaker 2: but it was even quiet, so I couldn't And at
Speaker 2: this point I think I was recording on my phone
Speaker 2: and I tried to pick it up, but I it
Speaker 2: didn't pick up the knocking noises. And then I'm standing
Speaker 2: at my car and thinking, you know, if it was
Speaker 2: a person that I was trying to like scare me
Speaker 2: out of here, there'd probably be more noises than just
Speaker 2: the knocking, and you know, like maybe if they were
Speaker 2: trying to really get me out of this area. And
Speaker 2: then I had the idea of like, oh, maybe those
Speaker 2: were you know, like knocks to tell me that I
Speaker 2: found a spot. You know, like maybe that's what that
Speaker 2: just was. I don't know, so, and I didn't feel
Speaker 2: in danger or anything, like, it's really peaceful out there.
Speaker 2: So I decided to just go back on the bridge
Speaker 2: and grab my phone and to lean over the edge
Speaker 2: of the bridge in the middle and to try to
Speaker 2: record with my camera like both sides underneath to see
Speaker 2: if somebody or something was down there. So I like
Speaker 2: really carefully grabbed my phone, just like really hoping I
Speaker 2: wasn't about to, you know, drop it in the water,
Speaker 2: and I pan it from one side to the other
Speaker 2: and pull it back up, open my camera roll and look,
Speaker 2: and there's nothing down there, Like there's nobody, and the
Speaker 2: water's fairly high. There's like a little bit of a
Speaker 2: ledge where somebody could stand, but it's kind of steep,
Speaker 2: so I couldn't imagine someone hiding under there without you know,
Speaker 2: struggling with balance. And you know, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: that clay type soil too, so it'd be kind of slick,
Speaker 2: and I just I couldn't imagine how someone would be
Speaker 2: down there hanging out. But and then there was a
Speaker 2: lot of overgrown brush on both sides. I'm sure you
Speaker 2: could kind of move your way down there underneath the bridge,
Speaker 2: but there was no obvious, like even game trail leading
Speaker 2: down there, and you'd make quite a bit of noise
Speaker 2: walking around in it. There's just like a lot of
Speaker 2: crunchy leaves and little twigs on the ground. So aside
Speaker 2: from the knox, I didn't hear anything else, so I
Speaker 2: kind of just said, Okay, maybe that was confirmation that
Speaker 2: I found my spot. So I went back to my
Speaker 2: car and I grabbed some gifts quote unquote, I just
Speaker 2: kind of brought like I had some old stones or
Speaker 2: crystals that I didn't really need anymore, and I think
Speaker 2: I grabbed a couple of seashells, and then I had
Speaker 2: apples and ausie bites, which are really good. They're kind
Speaker 2: of like a healthy snack or whatever. I just kind
Speaker 2: of grabbed things that I had at home, and I
Speaker 2: decided to set them on kind of the ledge on
Speaker 2: the side of the bridge there and them, and I
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I guess now would be a good
Speaker 2: time for me to attempt to talk out loud if
Speaker 2: there's like anything out here. So I start talking out
Speaker 2: loud and I feel totally ridiculous, and I'm doing this
Speaker 2: from so I yeah. I went back on the bridge
Speaker 2: and I'm standing in the middle of the bridge kind
Speaker 2: of talking in the direction of my car and the
Speaker 2: road and that direction. And as I'm talking, I just
Speaker 2: kind of like introduced myself and I was like, I
Speaker 2: you know that I believe in them existing out here,
Speaker 2: and that you know that it's hard for me to
Speaker 2: be out in the woods by myself because I had
Speaker 2: an idea I had to like just be authentic, and
Speaker 2: so I was like, I'm a little bit fearful, So
Speaker 2: this is like a lot for me to come out
Speaker 2: in the woods alone. And you know, it just was
Speaker 2: kind of silly. I cut out that part of my
Speaker 2: recording because I can't like listen back to it. It
Speaker 2: just sounds ridiculous. But as I was talking, I just
Speaker 2: got this really strong just I guess the best I
Speaker 2: can explain. It is like my whole body was just
Speaker 2: like zinging, just like I don't even know if I
Speaker 2: would call it like vibration or something. It just felt
Speaker 2: like my whole almost like an adrenaline rush, and it
Speaker 2: felt like something was very close and like listening to me,
Speaker 2: and it was just all over, like my whole body
Speaker 2: just took over and this like feeling of like I
Speaker 2: don't I don't even know how to really describe it.
Speaker 2: I had never felt anything that strong before and it
Speaker 2: took me off guard and I had to kind of
Speaker 2: like take a deep breath and nothing. I wasn't hearing
Speaker 2: anything around me. I just had that moment of feeling that,
Speaker 2: you know, physical sensation. And so it was also getting
Speaker 2: dark at this point. The sun wasn't fully set yet,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of tree canopy, so as it
Speaker 2: was starting to move that direction, it got darker and
Speaker 2: darker pretty quick, and I didn't think I was ready
Speaker 2: to be in the dark in the woods by myself,
Speaker 2: So I was like, I better wrap this up, and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not hearing anything, And in the moment,
Speaker 2: I didn't really take very seriously the physical sensation that
Speaker 2: I felt. I just tried to kind of move through it,
Speaker 2: and so but in my recording, I I after I
Speaker 2: was done talking, I was trying to wrap it up,
Speaker 2: and I kind of dorkishly said like, oh, like you
Speaker 2: live in a really beautiful place. And then I took
Speaker 2: this big like saw, like trying to calm myself down.
Speaker 2: And right after I took that big exhale, something in
Speaker 2: the woods across the road in front of my car
Speaker 2: let out what sounded to me in the moment like
Speaker 2: a really deep sigh, and it was very loud, and
Speaker 2: it completely caught me off guard because it sounded, I mean,
Speaker 2: it sounded perfectly like a sigh, almost like it mimicked
Speaker 2: my sigh. And I even heard pitch changed, like it
Speaker 2: was like a who, like you heard three tones change beig.
Speaker 1: So a society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And of course I can't do it justice, but it
Speaker 2: I just I was in shock, and weirdly enough, I
Speaker 2: recognized I mean, you can't say you recognize the voice,
Speaker 2: but like I've listened to stuff from like a lot
Speaker 2: of audio from Sasquatch, Ontario or Mike I can't think
Speaker 2: of his last name, but the like the tone of
Speaker 2: the the voice or sound. I guess it reminded me
Speaker 2: a lot like that like that at the moment I
Speaker 2: heard it, it like clicked in my brain. It was
Speaker 2: like that was one of them. And I immediately just
Speaker 2: like my stomach dropped and I was just kind of
Speaker 2: in shock, and I was like, oh crap, like that
Speaker 2: came from closer to where my car is, and I
Speaker 2: have to walk that direction and it's getting really dark now,
Speaker 2: like I'm I'm scared, and so I just out loud
Speaker 2: said like okay, like thank you, I need to walk
Speaker 2: back to my car now, so if you could please
Speaker 2: just give me some space. And so I just like
Speaker 2: my whole body is now shaking out of fear, and
Speaker 2: I'm like trembling, and I'm walking back to my car
Speaker 2: and I and I get in the car and I
Speaker 2: lock the door and I turn on my car and
Speaker 2: I immediately just start leaving because I couldn't handle it.
Speaker 2: It was such a weird physical reaction, like my hands
Speaker 2: were on the steering wheel and just like like shaking.
Speaker 2: I couldn't calm myself down. I was like okay, like
Speaker 2: it's okay, We're in the car. It's safe, and you know,
Speaker 2: like realizing, you know, you kind of asked for this,
Speaker 2: this is what we came out here to experience. But
Speaker 2: I just I didn't expect such a physical reaction to it.
Speaker 2: And I really didn't think about that part of this
Speaker 2: experience until I started listening to like more things on
Speaker 2: your podcast or some other people and listening or hearing
Speaker 2: other people mention the physical reactions or yeah, responses that
Speaker 2: they get from interactions. That was a piece that I
Speaker 2: never really thought about, I guess, but yeah, that I
Speaker 2: just kind of took away from it. You know. I
Speaker 2: had the recording and I shared it with like my
Speaker 2: mom and my sister, but of course it does not
Speaker 2: do it justice because it's so I was on the
Speaker 2: bridge with my phone recording and this thing. I'm not
Speaker 2: good at judging distance as far as like, you know,
Speaker 2: how many feet away, but you know, I was in
Speaker 2: the middle of the bridge, and then there's the gate,
Speaker 2: my car a road, and then it was a little
Speaker 2: set back in the woods just on the other side
Speaker 2: of the car or on the other side of the road,
Speaker 2: and so it's a lot quieter, and I had to
Speaker 2: kind of try to enhance the recording. I called it
Speaker 2: the si Use law. Who, because in the recording it
Speaker 2: sounds almost like a who instead of a sigh, but
Speaker 2: in person, I heard like it seemed so much more
Speaker 2: drawn out, like a longer sound, and I heard the
Speaker 2: pitch tone like three times, Like it doesn't do it justice.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I have the recording of it, and it
Speaker 2: was the most intense thing I think I've experienced the date,
Speaker 2: and I've been a little too afraid to go back
Speaker 2: by myself since then, but I want to muster up
Speaker 2: the courage to go back out there because that's what
Speaker 2: I was hoping for. It's just you just don't expect yourself,
Speaker 2: you know. It's like until you experience something like more
Speaker 2: than you ever thought you would, it's like it just
Speaker 2: doesn't really set in that you know how that can
Speaker 2: affect you, and trying to like overcome the fearful side
Speaker 2: of it and stay and collected or to return even
Speaker 2: and try to experience more. So, Yeah, it's kind of wild.
Speaker 1: That's that's absolutely wild. And it's another example of where
Speaker 1: something responded to you almost immediately, which is really really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I didn't think about it that way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, is that the audio that you had sent
Speaker 1: over to me?
Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: Should we should we try to put it in? Are
Speaker 1: you okay with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Totally fine. Maybe just like heads up to people
Speaker 2: if they have hadphones on the white noise can be
Speaker 2: a little bit loud, but yeah, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good call on that. I'm gonna play it through
Speaker 1: three times. It's it's quick, but you can always rewind
Speaker 1: as well. So here we go.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Knowing the context of that sound now is incredible, just
Speaker 1: thinking of the story you just told.
Speaker 2: Wow, it was. Yeah. When I listened to that audio,
Speaker 2: I'm like, because it just doesn't do it justice. You know.
Speaker 2: I had to like I have to like sit in
Speaker 2: my brain and think, Okay, this is how it sounded
Speaker 2: in the moment, like remember that because that bool Just
Speaker 2: thinking about that will give me chills. And I even
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't have phone service out there, but
Speaker 2: I found a single bar. On the drive home, I
Speaker 2: couldn't make it home before I had to call my
Speaker 2: mom and I told her what happened. And as I
Speaker 2: was telling her, I got like emotional, which was so weird,
Speaker 2: Like it just popped up out of nowhere, Like I
Speaker 2: just started getting emotional, like and it wasn't really the
Speaker 2: fear it just like I think I was in just
Speaker 2: complete shock, and it was like things I've heard, you know,
Speaker 2: through other people that put out content or whatever, and
Speaker 2: it was like I heard that in real life, and
Speaker 2: I think I was just in awe that that happened
Speaker 2: to me. It seems like something that very few people
Speaker 2: get to hear, and yeah, I was just in shock.
Speaker 1: It is. It's very strange when as humans we you know,
Speaker 1: start to look for certain things. And maybe there's an
Speaker 1: old saying that has been said to me over the
Speaker 1: last few years and maybe even you too, where it's
Speaker 1: like be careful what you wish for. When that actually
Speaker 1: when things start to change and you start to experience things,
Speaker 1: it is a thing where it gets you get very
Speaker 1: emotional and it is hard to deal with, especially in
Speaker 1: the moment. I had some things happen out in Oakridge,
Speaker 1: and it's really hard to control how you respond in
Speaker 1: that moment. So yeah, I totally I totally get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it can take you, Yeah, I can take
Speaker 2: you off guard. And I think it might have even
Speaker 2: been in like Tobe's book or an interview he was saying,
Speaker 2: but someone that he went out with and they were
Speaker 2: trying to walk in the direction of a sound, and
Speaker 2: this guy he was with was typically kind of like
Speaker 2: a tough, manly man, and how he just like was
Speaker 2: immediately just had so much fear rush over him, almost
Speaker 2: to the point of tears, and he was like upset,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, my gosh, that's I mean.
Speaker 2: I wasn't like upset, but I was just the same thing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, other people are experiencing like
Speaker 2: physical reactions to this, and that's just the side of
Speaker 2: it that I didn't really think about before. So it's yeah, really.
Speaker 1: Interesting having experienced that. Now, what is your viewpoint towards
Speaker 1: that area. Is it that you want to go back
Speaker 1: a lot? Or like man, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: Not, or I do. The timing was a little bit
Speaker 2: unfortunate because I just kind of started a new career
Speaker 2: and then I moved also down to Cottage Grove, So
Speaker 2: at the time I was only like, probably I was
Speaker 2: less than an hour away from the spot, and now
Speaker 2: I'm probably more like an hour and a half hour
Speaker 2: and forty five minutes, so it's not as easy to access,
Speaker 2: like time wise and stuff for me. But I want
Speaker 2: to make a point to go back out there because
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, I didn't feel like I
Speaker 2: was in danger or anything. I just knew it was
Speaker 2: my own fear bubbling up to the service. So a
Speaker 2: part of me also wanted to work on trying to
Speaker 2: I don't know how I could do that, but other
Speaker 2: than just getting out there, but trying to work on,
Speaker 2: you know, staying I guess grounded and not let my emotions,
Speaker 2: you know, take over and make me want to leave
Speaker 2: sort of a thing. But I know I would love
Speaker 2: to go out there and continue like gifting and maybe
Speaker 2: trying to car camp overnight there. And I'm not opposed
Speaker 2: to like bringing a friend with me or like I've
Speaker 2: been back out there since then with my mom, and
Speaker 2: I brought my sister out there one time, and we've
Speaker 2: heard some interesting stuff. But like, I tend to not
Speaker 2: mention this one as much because of course it's easy
Speaker 2: to you know, our brains can sometimes see things or
Speaker 2: mess with us a little bit. But then one of
Speaker 2: the nights I brought my mom back out there with me,
Speaker 2: and it was dark, but there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of moonlight kind of shining through you know, the forest
Speaker 2: a little bit, and We're standing out there and I'm
Speaker 2: looking in the direction of this, like I can see
Speaker 2: the outline of like this big trunked tree, and just
Speaker 2: to the right of it, I'm like squinting my eyes
Speaker 2: and looking because I noticed like a shape and I
Speaker 2: just perfectly see like this head shoulders and then straight
Speaker 2: down and I'm looking and I'm like, there's no way,
Speaker 2: Like I think my mind's playing tricks on me, because
Speaker 2: if that is something, it is massive, like really big,
Speaker 2: and it's not very that was probably less than fifty
Speaker 2: feet from us. If I was guessing, I'm not the
Speaker 2: best of that. But and so I didn't say anything
Speaker 2: to my mom. I just said, hey, can we go
Speaker 2: sit in the car for a second, because in case
Speaker 2: it was something, I instantly just got freaked out. And
Speaker 2: then we sat in the car and listened for a bit.
Speaker 2: I calmed down and I was like, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 2: to get back out, like I'm kind I've kind of recentered,
Speaker 2: and I go back to that same spot and I
Speaker 2: look for that tree. In that spot where I saw
Speaker 2: a head and shoulders. There was nothing there. It was
Speaker 2: like an open spot back lit by the moonlight, and
Speaker 2: there was so in that moment, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I did see the silhouette of something there. But
Speaker 2: I can't be totally for sure if my eyes were
Speaker 2: just adjusting and playing tricks, but I was almost certain
Speaker 2: that I saw a silhouette there.
Speaker 1: And I mean that's the other weird thing, because it's
Speaker 1: like we get to the point where we're like, we
Speaker 1: want to see stuff like that, but then when it happened,
Speaker 1: we're like our logic side tries to kick in really
Speaker 1: hard and it's like, yeah, there's no way that this
Speaker 1: is actually happening. It's got to be this or it's
Speaker 1: got to be a bear. And it gets really really weird,
Speaker 1: the back and forth between what I call like the
Speaker 1: logical side and the bigfoot side.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because it's good to keep that, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it can become kind of a gray area sometimes.
Speaker 1: So your mom didn't didn't say anything, though, sounds.
Speaker 2: Like she no. She heard some you know, we'd hear
Speaker 2: like stick breaks and sounded like something walking around us
Speaker 2: in the woods. But she got creeped out because in
Speaker 2: the distance we actually heard barred owls and I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've heard them go off, but they tend
Speaker 2: to almost sound a little bit like a monkey, and
Speaker 2: it sounded like babies in a nest and I instantly
Speaker 2: knew what it was when it went off, but that
Speaker 2: freaked her out and she's like, what is that like?
Speaker 2: And I tried to tell her. I was like, it's okay,
Speaker 2: like those are barred owls. And she went and sat
Speaker 2: in the car for a minute. But she was able
Speaker 2: to like come back out and hang out for a bit,
Speaker 2: and she's she's fun to go and listen with. She'll
Speaker 2: just kind of be quiet and listen to all the
Speaker 2: sounds with me. And yeah, she's a fun one to
Speaker 2: go big flitting with.
Speaker 1: And so this is a this is a pretty recent
Speaker 1: thing though, So this is like now we're we're pretty
Speaker 1: much this all is happening current day.
Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, I have I think the last
Speaker 2: time I went out was maybe in May, and I
Speaker 2: just wanted to go out there and see if like
Speaker 2: the area had changed, and I have a dog now,
Speaker 2: so I brought my dog out with me and nothing,
Speaker 2: you know, it kind of looked the same. It looked
Speaker 2: like they were utilizing that road again because the bridge
Speaker 2: was totally cleaned off, but the gate was still closed.
Speaker 2: And then I didn't really pick up on any noises
Speaker 2: out there, and I think that's pretty normal for the daytime.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like the bird sounds. But no,
Speaker 2: my plan is to maybe do an overnight car camp
Speaker 2: out there if I can make it, and I'll probably
Speaker 2: bring a friend with me, just so that I'm not
Speaker 2: like is easily freaked out and try to work on that.
Speaker 2: It feels a little safer when you're camping in your
Speaker 2: car versus a tent.
Speaker 1: Right, But yeah, I think that's that's a smart idea too, Definitely,
Speaker 1: just to have that other person with you. Does your
Speaker 1: dog react in any weird ways When you're out there.
Speaker 2: With the dog, he'll perk up to sounds and things,
Speaker 2: but he didn't out there. He was just kind of
Speaker 2: more interested in sniffing around. And there was a moment
Speaker 2: where he was kind of looking across the other side
Speaker 2: of the bridge towards like the woods that way, uh,
Speaker 2: and he was focused on something for a minute, and
Speaker 2: I kind of watched over there with him, but I
Speaker 2: didn't see anything, and I didn't hear anything. But maybe
Speaker 2: he was picking up on stuff that I just couldn't
Speaker 2: see or hear. But yeah, another time I've been there,
Speaker 2: I actually heard this sound. It was the daytime, just
Speaker 2: sitting on the bridge from like almost below us. It
Speaker 2: kind of sounded like it's a weird thing to hear,
Speaker 2: but like I literally pictured it in my head as
Speaker 2: I listened to it. It was another metallic sound, but
Speaker 2: it sounded like somebody had put rocks inside of a
Speaker 2: like metal cage kind of thing, like a you know,
Speaker 2: kind of a woven mesh metal cage thing, and we're
Speaker 2: just like shaking it almost like a Morocca kind of
Speaker 2: thing where you just heard like the but like rocks
Speaker 2: falling into each other and stuff inside of it is
Speaker 2: what it sounded like to me. I heard it three
Speaker 2: times and I thought that was a peculiar kind of
Speaker 2: out of place sound. But yeah, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that was. And there weren't other people around us. We
Speaker 2: were just pretty much just us and the birds out there, So.
Speaker 1: That is very interesting. You mentioned you're done in Cottage Grove.
Speaker 1: Have you ever to Tobe about any places you might
Speaker 1: be able to check out down there in Cottage Grove
Speaker 1: since who's really really familiar with.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, definitely, and and Jeff too. I'm just like
Speaker 2: my time is like tends to be limited to the
Speaker 2: weekends and Jeff and I have actually gone out into
Speaker 2: the woods and we haven't had too much happen. We
Speaker 2: did kind of a daytime trip out into the woods,
Speaker 2: and we did an evening I think it was last Sunday,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of just turned into us like sharing
Speaker 2: our own personal stories and you know, talking about the topics.
Speaker 2: But hopefully, like you know, some we'll get some stuff
Speaker 2: down the line. But I just I'm limited because I
Speaker 2: drive like a Prius and so my car does not
Speaker 2: really handle some of the back roads that well. So
Speaker 2: I kind of either have to like hit your ride
Speaker 2: and line it up with one of them or with Jeff,
Speaker 2: or wait till I have kind of a four wheel
Speaker 2: drive option. But yeah, and I plan on making it
Speaker 2: too tobes puting together that the Olympic Strange Days. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard about that, but I'm planning
Speaker 2: to attend that as long as I can find either
Speaker 2: hitch a ride or find a rig that I could
Speaker 2: drive because those roads get pretty gnarly. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: planning to get out into the woods more and kind
Speaker 2: of just dive a little deeper into all of this
Speaker 2: because it's you know, when I have my free time.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to be doing.
Speaker 1: Alicia, thank you for coming on the show and sharing
Speaker 1: what you've experienced over the last few years. Definitely keep
Speaker 1: us in the loop with what goes on in the
Speaker 1: future in this area that you've found. It sounds very
Speaker 1: interesting and there could be some really cool things that
Speaker 1: happen from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I will. Hopefully maybe in a year from
Speaker 2: now or something, I'll have plenty of activity or experiences
Speaker 2: to share with you. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Her and I can get on here. We can tell
Speaker 2: our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's
Speaker 2: too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give
Speaker 2: them the courage to come out. And I feel so
Speaker 2: bad about it.
Speaker 1: Who cares what anybody's thinks.
Speaker 2: I know what I saw, I know what's out there.
Speaker 2: That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please
Speaker 2: let them know. If you ever see one of these things,
Speaker 2: you need you tell because if you don't, and shame
Speaker 2: on you, you know, shame on you.