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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity

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<v Speaker 1>slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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<v Speaker 1>the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, you get the privilege

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<v Speaker 1>of talking to Alisha. Alicia is an individual that I

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<v Speaker 1>had the privilege of meeting at my booth in Sasquatch

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<v Speaker 1>Summerfest out there in beautiful Elkridge organ just a few

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<v Speaker 1>months ago, and she has agreed to come on. She's

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<v Speaker 1>got some really interesting things that have happened to her

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<v Speaker 1>over the years. But Alish, it's a privilege to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you again, and thank you for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to this.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome to meet you at the festival too,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's exciting to share. You kind of helped encourage

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<v Speaker 2>me to set the appointment and do the interview, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking forward to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And it looked like you were making some

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<v Speaker 1>really good connections around the fair. I noticed you were

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<v Speaker 1>talking all sorts of people when I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>lots of people myself at my booth, so that was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was great. I just happened to stumble upon

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<v Speaker 2>and meet Jeff Rohn, and I was talking with Tobe

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson quite a bit because I'm in the Cottage Grove area,

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<v Speaker 2>so I wanted to kind of talk his ear off

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit and hear more about the Almon Lab stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and just met a lot of really great people.

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<v Speaker 1>That is fantastic. That's one of my favorite books. It's

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<v Speaker 1>such an incredible read, and big fan of everything that

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<v Speaker 1>Tobe and those guys do. And I've talked to Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But that's why I'm saying people, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to go to festivals like this, especially the smaller, newer ones,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're going to get connections that you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to get on the internet, but that

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<v Speaker 1>to the side, Alicia, that's kind of my plug for

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<v Speaker 1>people to go to festivals in person. It's honored to

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<v Speaker 1>have you on here. I'm going to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>put things right over to you. But before we start,

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to say this is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>one of those interviews where it'll be kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>more conversational back and forth, just because we want things

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<v Speaker 1>to flow a certain way, and I always check with

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<v Speaker 1>the individual to see if they'd prefer them just taking

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<v Speaker 1>the reins and going or if we want to have

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<v Speaker 1>more of a conversation. So we're going to go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and do that. So it might be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>different than you're used to, but it'll be great. And Alicia,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have you go ahead and start off

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<v Speaker 1>where you'd like to start.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, sounds good. So I was born and raised in Astoria, Oregon,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like the top left of Oregon, right at

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<v Speaker 2>the mouth of the Columbia River there, and I when

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<v Speaker 2>I was about nine, I think nine years old, I

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<v Speaker 2>lived with my grandparents off not a lot in our childhood,

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<v Speaker 2>and they decided to sell their house in town and

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<v Speaker 2>purchased a five acre property out in called Spincon, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's technically it's still the Astoria zip code, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>about like twenty or thirty minutes east of Astoria off

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<v Speaker 2>Highway thirty. And we moved out there. And the first

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<v Speaker 2>summer I was out there, I had a sleepover with

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<v Speaker 2>a four eight friend and she came over and spent

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<v Speaker 2>the night, and we stayed up later because it was

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<v Speaker 2>a summer night, and we probably went to bed around

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<v Speaker 2>like twelve or twelve thirty and I could not sleep

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<v Speaker 2>because it was just really hot and we didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>ac and she fell asleep within like the first five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes and was snoring. So between the heat and the

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<v Speaker 2>snoring and probably like a leftover caffeine rush, I could

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<v Speaker 2>just not sleep for the life of me. And it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't very uncommon for me to just lay in bed

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of be in my head thinking about things,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I know I did that for about like

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<v Speaker 2>an hour and a half or so, and at one

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<v Speaker 2>point I got so fed up with the heat that

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<v Speaker 2>I just grabbed my pillow and decided to lay down

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<v Speaker 2>on the carpet below the only window in my room.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm laying there, and I guess maybe I should

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<v Speaker 2>kind of describe the property a little bit in the area,

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<v Speaker 2>but so it's kind of like in the shape of

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<v Speaker 2>a squoi and it's a corner lot, so the road

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<v Speaker 2>wrapped around like the left and top side of it.

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<v Speaker 2>We had kind of some neighbors on our right side

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of back behind us, but we had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of elk and deer and coyotes around. We were

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<v Speaker 2>really familiar with the elk and the deer coming into

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<v Speaker 2>our yard and for some reason, they really like to

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<v Speaker 2>enter in this one specific corner, which was like the

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<v Speaker 2>top right corner, and it would lead from the road

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<v Speaker 2>and they'd have to jump over a drainage ditch into

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<v Speaker 2>our field. Our property was pretty open, like not a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of trees, but if on our road because it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of came to a te so it didn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>if you took a left towards our property or right.

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<v Speaker 2>Either way it would end up at like a gravel

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<v Speaker 2>road with just tons of forest and there'd be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>logging trucks coming in and out during the week, and

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<v Speaker 2>so just a lot of forests land back there. But

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<v Speaker 2>our property itself was pretty open, so going back to

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<v Speaker 2>the story. So I'm laying there and it's probably between

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<v Speaker 2>like one thirty two thirty in the morning, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hear this really loud thump and I immediately woke up

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<v Speaker 2>because I was like almost drifting off to sleep, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the thud sound like woke me up. My eyes

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<v Speaker 2>I opened wide open, and immediately after the thud, I

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<v Speaker 2>started to hear running, and it sounded by pedal to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And with the deer and the elk that would always

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<v Speaker 2>come into our yard, I was familiar with the sound

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<v Speaker 2>of them kind of entering our property because you'd hear

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a first thud and a second thud,

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<v Speaker 2>like the front hoofs followed by the back hooves. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was just like a single thud, So the thud

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<v Speaker 2>and then running towards the direction of the house. I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of heard it approach it, and it probably got

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<v Speaker 2>like halfway through the field, and I started to hear

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<v Speaker 2>really heavy breathing, and at this point I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of more like paralyzed in fear a little bit because

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<v Speaker 2>I was realizing that it was heading in the direction

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<v Speaker 2>of the house, and like my open window, and even

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<v Speaker 2>though my blinds were closed, I was just like I

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<v Speaker 2>guess nervous that this thing would somehow know whatever it

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<v Speaker 2>was that I was on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 2>window or something, and little paranoid thoughts. But so it

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<v Speaker 2>booked it past my window, and it was so loud,

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<v Speaker 2>like the footfall was really heavy. The breathing, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>became a lot louder, and it just kind of went

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<v Speaker 2>right past my window. It took a single step on

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<v Speaker 2>our gravel driveway and then it hit the pavement, and

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as it hit the pavement, I heard the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of bare feet slapping on pavement, and that really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of tripped me out because I was like a party.

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<v Speaker 2>Me was thinking, there's a person running through our yard

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the night, which is strange on

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<v Speaker 2>its own, But why would they not be wearing shoes?

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<v Speaker 2>Was my other thought. And then it continued running, and

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<v Speaker 2>then there was like a short pause followed by another thud,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I continued hearing the running again. So it

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<v Speaker 2>actually I realized it ran just far enough to pass,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we had a bordering treeline behind our house separating

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<v Speaker 2>our property in the neighbor's property, and there was like

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<v Speaker 2>old barbed wire in there too, So this thing whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it was, just ran long enough to pass that tree

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<v Speaker 2>wine and then jumped over the ditch and continued running

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<v Speaker 2>in our neighbor's field, which was like three foot tall

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<v Speaker 2>dry grass, and I could hear it like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>pushing down the tall grass as it was running. And

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing about it was just how fast it

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<v Speaker 2>covered ground. Like I mean, I can't even really guess

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<v Speaker 2>how long it took, but I just remember in the

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<v Speaker 2>moment thinking like, wow, this thing is really fast, really heavy,

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<v Speaker 2>and just had no idea. I had a hard time

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<v Speaker 2>believing it was a person, and I didn't tell my

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<v Speaker 2>friend or my family. I was just kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>freaked out and wanted to forget it sort of a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was the first experience I had at that house.

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<v Speaker 2>And then a couple of years later, I was probably

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<v Speaker 2>like thirteen or fourteen, and this is one that I

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<v Speaker 2>experienced with my mom, And by this time we had

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<v Speaker 2>two dogs, and we had like a small Schnauzer mix

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<v Speaker 2>and then kind of a medium sized pit bull rescue,

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<v Speaker 2>and the two of them were like they would just

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<v Speaker 2>and go running after anything on our property, like didn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if it was you know, big elk or the

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<v Speaker 2>deer or people. They would just take off running. We

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<v Speaker 2>actually had to be careful about letting them outside if

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<v Speaker 2>we had elk in our yard and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But my mom and I went shopping for the day

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<v Speaker 2>and we had probably been gone about like five hours,

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<v Speaker 2>i'd say, and no one else was home. So when

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<v Speaker 2>we got home, first thing, we were like, oh, got

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<v Speaker 2>to take the dogs out because they probably need to go.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we let them out the back porch and

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<v Speaker 2>we start walking out there with them, and we noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that they wouldn't go down off the porch, so we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of decided to walk down off the few steps

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<v Speaker 2>and onto this little tile paver area and it's dark.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember there being any source of light outside

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<v Speaker 2>of like our porch light reaching as far as it did.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can see stars and you know, no moonlight

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<v Speaker 2>or anything, because it was pitch black beyond like the

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<v Speaker 2>porch light. So and as we're walking down the stairs

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<v Speaker 2>off the porch, we're kind of talking. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>were just resuming a conversation we were having in the car,

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<v Speaker 2>and we think the dogs came off the porch and

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<v Speaker 2>are doing their thing, but we're just talking and not

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<v Speaker 2>paying attention and then all of a sudden, in front

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<v Speaker 2>of us, we start to hear something like trudging through

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<v Speaker 2>the BlackBerry bushes, walking through them like it's no problem

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<v Speaker 2>at all, and they'd probably be like, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of waist height BlackBerry bushes. And it's again like heavy footsteps,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was kind of like a boom boom boom sound,

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<v Speaker 2>and my mom's and I both stopped talking, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>do you hear that? And you know what is that?

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<v Speaker 2>And she thought maybe it was an elk and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, I don't hear like the hoofs, and

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, could it be a cougar? And I

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<v Speaker 2>thought no, I think it would be trying to sneak

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<v Speaker 2>up on us if it was a cougar. And it

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<v Speaker 2>just keeps like a really steady pace of approaching us,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it gets as it's getting closer, I start

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<v Speaker 2>to hear deep, heavy breathing and I instantly think back

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<v Speaker 2>and remember that night at the sleepover when that thing

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<v Speaker 2>but again, it was so dark and the porch light

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<v Speaker 2>only illuminated so far. And then my mom is just like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>were the dogs, and because we hadn't heard a peep

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<v Speaker 2>out of them, and we look up and they're still

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<v Speaker 2>with their tails tucked and their hackles up, and they

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<v Speaker 2>and immediately she ran over and like closed the blinds

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<v Speaker 2>to a window that, if it were daylight, would have

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<v Speaker 2>been facing where that thing was walking towards us, Like

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<v Speaker 2>been light, but we couldn't. Yeah, of course it was

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't really talk about it too much after that,

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<v Speaker 2>but she'll still talk about it with me and agree

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<v Speaker 2>that that was weird, and we both kind of question,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what it could have been, but I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of I lean more towards the bigfoot stuff and she's

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<v Speaker 2>open to that. But yeah, both of those things are

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<v Speaker 2>I guess still up in the air. Just didn't sound

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<v Speaker 2>like any animal I could think of. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that the same property as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Or yes, yeah, sorry, that was the same property. Okay, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We were probably out there for like eight years, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say, but yeah, and those were the two

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<v Speaker 2>asked other parts of my family, like my brother lived

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<v Speaker 2>them sharing anything, but yeah, they were interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>You said it was east of Astoria.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if you take Highway thirty and head towards

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<v Speaker 2>like Rainier organ and like we're the bridge is going

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<v Speaker 2>over to long View out that way, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>about like maybe eighteen or twenty miles east of Astoria.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still considered the same zip code, but there's like

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<v Speaker 2>a little sign that says Spincon. But yeah, it's right

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<v Speaker 1>So were you close to Rainier or not too close?

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<v Speaker 2>I think from Spincon Rainier probably would have been another

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty five forty minutes, but yeah, it's from Astoria'd

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<v Speaker 2>probably be more like a forty five to fifty minute

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, So in terms of Bigfoot moving around, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that far away. Big for society will be

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<v Speaker 1>right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of like forest land out there. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you've heard the have you heard there in years

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<v Speaker 1>stuff I've had on this podcast that was that was.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one I ever heard. Was it really really

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<v Speaker 2>gotten hooked?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that was one of my favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there may be more coming to that in a

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<v Speaker 1>few years. We'll see. Oh cool, prass your fingers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So thinking back to that time when you're I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you're pretty young. We just heard that you were around

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen to fourteen in the last account, did you ever

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<v Speaker 1>notice any weird stuff on the property besides hearing the

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<v Speaker 1>sounds the footprints, did you ever see like any weird

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<v Speaker 1>things done to trees or other sounds that didn't make

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<v Speaker 1>sense or just kind of out of place stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, so I didn't really explore much of

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<v Speaker 2>the woods or anything out that way. And like our

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<v Speaker 2>property I mentioned, we didn't really have a ton of trees.

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<v Speaker 2>Other people's properties would, but ours was fairly open. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there were like a lot of young

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<v Speaker 2>trees that were just planted. And I drove past that

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<v Speaker 2>property somewhat in the last recent and last pry three

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<v Speaker 2>years and those trees have already grown. You can't even

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<v Speaker 2>like see the house anymore as you drive by. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't notice any interesting structures or things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But to be honest, I don't think I would have

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<v Speaker 2>an eye for it. It wasn't until I learned about

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff that I like will see at anytime I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out in the woods. But we did have a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a separate living room on the end of the house,

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<v Speaker 2>or one end of the house that was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a TV family room, and the porch kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hugged around that side of the house but had a

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<v Speaker 2>ramp leading up to it, And there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of summer nights that I would fall asleep with the

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<v Speaker 2>TV on like no volume, but leaving the TV on

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<v Speaker 2>for kind of like light. And when I would be asleep,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in the middle of the night, I would

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<v Speaker 2>be woken up to the sound of someone stepping on

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<v Speaker 2>the creaky boards of that ramp, and I would wake

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<v Speaker 2>up and listen, and I wouldn't hear any addition, any

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<v Speaker 2>additional like footsteps leading off or continuing onto the porch.

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<v Speaker 2>It would just be like the creaks of specific boards

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<v Speaker 2>that I knew myself from just walking on it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then there would be no other sound. So that always

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<v Speaker 2>I always wondered about. But aside from that, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>really remember much else. My brother saw a cougar at night,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of backlit by the moonlight one night while he

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<v Speaker 2>was out smoking on the porch, But yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>I asked him, and he didn't seem to remember any

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<v Speaker 2>like strange non wildlife type experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, And did that ever come up in conversations with neighbors, like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we had something weird running around on our property, Do

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<v Speaker 1>you guys ever have anything or anything like that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not that I not that I'm aware of. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if my you know, it's possible that that

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, conversations between my grandparents and my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>but I we only talked to about one neighbor in particular.

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<v Speaker 2>They were on our right and they pretty much kept

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<v Speaker 2>to themselves, but they would let us know if there was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, any sightings of cougars in the area, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if animals, like their pets were getting messed

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<v Speaker 2>with by coyotes or anything. But it was mostly just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of your typical small talk with them. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a couple of horses and a couple of dogs,

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<v Speaker 2>but we didn't really Yeah, it was just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a simple, you know, high neighbor sort of a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Weather's nice kind of talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I totally get it. Kind of similar maybe to

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<v Speaker 1>New England a little bit in a way, which is

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<v Speaker 1>where I grew up. But so abound that time of

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<v Speaker 1>your your life, you had some interesting things happen and

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<v Speaker 1>you're kind of open to well maybe this bigfoot, maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>And then did other things happen pretty close to that

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<v Speaker 1>or was it another multiple year gap between something else?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was probably another another good gap. So like

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<v Speaker 2>my next experience was more like when I was twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one or twenty two age range, I've grown up having

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like paranormal activity stuff, and I moved around

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit in my childhood, so we'd be in

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<v Speaker 2>houses and i'd kind of have more experiences surrounding like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe quote unquote haunted house type of situation or things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, but not as much in the realm of Bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 2>So but when I was, yeah, that age range of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one twenty two, I was working in the service

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<v Speaker 2>industry and befriended this gal and her boyfriend who I

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<v Speaker 2>worked together with, and we decided to go camping together.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you head down one on one from Astoria,

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<v Speaker 2>you can go past Seaside and wind up at that

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<v Speaker 2>junction where it splits off to either stay on one

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<v Speaker 2>on one or take Highway twenty six. That'll go over

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<v Speaker 2>a pass and it kind of spits you out towards

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<v Speaker 2>Beaverton area. And on that pass is a campground called

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<v Speaker 2>Spruce Run. So we decided to go camp that way,

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<v Speaker 2>and they brought their dog with them, but otherwise it

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<v Speaker 2>was just the three of us and we When you

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<v Speaker 2>first pull off of Highway twenty six towards the you

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<v Speaker 2>know the sign for the campground, it kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>road splits and you can go left and up towards

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<v Speaker 2>go to the right and go down into the campground.

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<v Speaker 2>We wanted to go out and check out the lake,

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<v Speaker 2>but we decided to go grab our spot first and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of set up a little bit. So we went

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<v Speaker 2>were driving down in, I noticed off to the left

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<v Speaker 2>that there was a trailhead that kind of hugged and

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<v Speaker 2>paralleled the road of the lake kind of drive up

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and so I made a comment of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, I wonder if that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that trail leads to the lake, maybe we should try

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<v Speaker 2>to hike to it. And it's probably not that long.

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<v Speaker 2>So we decided to do that. After we set up,

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<v Speaker 2>we walked over to the trailhead and there was no

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<v Speaker 2>like signs at that time, so it didn't like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know if the trail had like a name

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. And then there was just kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a blink sign area. But we decided to take the

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<v Speaker 2>truck anyways, and their dog was really excited, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of had the zoomies. You'd run up ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>us and then come back. But then I was leading

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<v Speaker 2>in front, and you know, besides the dog, and every

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<v Speaker 2>like twenty feet probably I was running into cobwebs. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the trail was pretty overgrown. You could tell it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really maintained. And so I remember making a comment

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<v Speaker 2>about partway, you know, about five minutes in or something

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<v Speaker 2>that like, I don't think anyone's taking this trail recently,

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm literally walking into gobwebs, you know, every fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>or twenty feet, And pretty soon it turns into just switchbacks,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the dogs like running up ahead of me

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<v Speaker 2>kind of partially up the next switchback, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>turns around and comes running back and he'll check in

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<v Speaker 2>with his owners. And we get like twenty minutes into

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<v Speaker 2>the hike, and all of a sudden, something like throws

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<v Speaker 2>a decent sized rock up and over our heads, like

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<v Speaker 2>this perfect arch, and it just like wax trees all

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<v Speaker 2>the way down, and I stop and we all look

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<v Speaker 2>at each other and we're just kind of like, what

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<v Speaker 2>was that? And I'm trying to kind of look up

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a bit of like a ridge up above us,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't, you know, I don't see anything, and

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<v Speaker 2>the dogs like all perked up and curious. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think I made a joke of you know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>at that point I had heard about bigfoots throwing rocks,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I think I cracked a joke like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it's a bigfoot. But we were we were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of puzzled, but I was curious and also wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>continue hiking, and so I think we just decided to

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<v Speaker 2>keep going a little farther. I think I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>encouraged it a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>How did the other people in the party react to

422
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:18.319
<v Speaker 1>your joke.

423
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 2>I think they just kind of laughed a little bit.

424
00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:26.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean they were they'd be open minded to chatting

425
00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:30.680
<v Speaker 2>about subjects like that, but I don't know if they

426
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>personally were, you know, in that boat of believing in them.

427
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think I remember them just kind of

428
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.319
<v Speaker 2>giggling at it, and I think they were more concerned

429
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:43.279
<v Speaker 2>that it was a person maybe up there, like camping

430
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:47.039
<v Speaker 2>out or like, you know, maybe like a homeless person

431
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>living up there. But I was like, oh, it's probably

432
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's probably nothing, or maybe it wasn't a rock.

433
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:56.839
<v Speaker 2>I remember us kind of trying to talk through it

434
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:00.799
<v Speaker 2>of like maybe it's not a big of a deal.

435
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 2>But I in my head, I was like curious and

436
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:06.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of hoping that it was a rock thrown by bigfoot.

437
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:12.319
<v Speaker 2>So I was encouraging them to keep going, and we

438
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:16.440
<v Speaker 2>went probably i think like one and a half more switchbacks,

439
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.119
<v Speaker 2>and a second one was thrown. So I immediately looked

440
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:24.720
<v Speaker 2>up the ridge or hill side again and I could

441
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>see where I think it came from, because this bush

442
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 2>was kind of shaking pretty like rapidly, and I pointed

443
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:36.920
<v Speaker 2>it out and they're like, oh yeah, and I could

444
00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.799
<v Speaker 2>see on their faces they were weirded out, And I

445
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.480
<v Speaker 2>mean I was a little weighted out, but I was

446
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of more excited and curious than afraid. But at

447
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:50.720
<v Speaker 2>this point, the dog actually turned around and started descending

448
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.440
<v Speaker 2>the trail without us, like he wasn't having any of it.

449
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 2>And I think at this point in the trail we

450
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.440
<v Speaker 2>were also wanting to know like how much farther it was,

451
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and it started to seem like it was taking longer

452
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 2>than it should because the road leading up to it

453
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.400
<v Speaker 2>is very short, like it shouldn't take that long to

454
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of get to but this, yeah, the second time

455
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:15.640
<v Speaker 2>that the rock was thrown, it did the same exact thing,

456
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:18.240
<v Speaker 2>like the same exact perfect arch. It was way up

457
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>over our heads and then hit multiple trees as it

458
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:25.920
<v Speaker 2>came down. But when I looked up where I think

459
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.079
<v Speaker 2>that it kind of came from, there were you could

460
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.400
<v Speaker 2>see that that wasn't a part of the trail, like

461
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:36.279
<v Speaker 2>the switchbacks were about to stop, and like maybe it

462
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.720
<v Speaker 2>continues farther off to the right or something, because you

463
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see. It was just all overgrown, and it didn't

464
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.279
<v Speaker 2>make sense to me that a person would be hiding

465
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.759
<v Speaker 2>up there and just like throwing rocks at people. And

466
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.559
<v Speaker 2>I think at this point too, I was still running

467
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>into cobwebs, maybe a little less, but there was still

468
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.720
<v Speaker 2>quite a few as we continued up there, and so

469
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 2>we just kind of decided, Okay, like something is either

470
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe not wanting us up there or is messing with us.

471
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 2>And because I could tell they were a little uncomfortable

472
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>and the dog was like ready to leave, we decided

473
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.720
<v Speaker 2>to go back down to the campground and drive up

474
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 2>to the lake instead, And so we went and we

475
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 2>did that, came back, had some food and things, and

476
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 2>I remember when the boyfriend was taking the cooler out

477
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 2>of the car, he was making a comment that the

478
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.599
<v Speaker 2>cooler was really heavy, and my friend his girlfriend was

479
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of laughing, like, you know, why did you pack

480
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 2>so much? And we were only going to be there

481
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.720
<v Speaker 2>for one night, but he's a cook and so he

482
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.200
<v Speaker 2>got really into bringing lots of good food. And then

483
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 2>my friend and I worked at a beer growler station,

484
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 2>so we had like heavy thirty ounce you know, jars

485
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:58.119
<v Speaker 2>of craft beer in there, and then like the ice

486
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.279
<v Speaker 2>and all that. So it was probably like a thirty

487
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 2>five pound or so cooler when he was taking it out.

488
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 2>And anyway, so I'm making that note because when we

489
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 2>went to bed that night, I was woken up at

490
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>some point, you know, middle of the night to hearing

491
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 2>that cooler being dragged across the gravel on the ground.

492
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't like I didn't hear any other sound

493
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 2>of like something trying to open the cooler or scratch

494
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.440
<v Speaker 2>at it. I didn't hear any footsteps or something like scamping,

495
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 2>like scampering around the camp. It was literally just the

496
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:43.000
<v Speaker 2>like it happened three times. You would hear it drag

497
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>across the cooler, it would pause, and then it did

498
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.319
<v Speaker 2>it again, and then there was kind of a longer pause,

499
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and then it happened one more time, and I stayed

500
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>awake listening because I was like, if it's you know,

501
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 2>a small animal, I think you'd hear more or any

502
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:01.640
<v Speaker 2>animal to hear more noises. If it was like a

503
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>bear or something, you probably you're like sniffing or you know,

504
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.000
<v Speaker 2>something like that. And there was no other noise. It

505
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>was literally just something. And it almost reminded me of

506
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.519
<v Speaker 2>like a paranormal type experience where an inanimate object is

507
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 2>like being moved, but you don't like hear any other

508
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:23.559
<v Speaker 2>noises to kind of logically explain it. It reminded me

509
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:28.160
<v Speaker 2>of that in a way. So, you know, little things

510
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>that were just weird enough to make you question or yeah, wonder,

511
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

512
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>That is that's extremely weird. Yeah, I feel like we

513
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>are missing some foundation foundational information you because you alluded

514
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>to it, really and I just I don't know if

515
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you're you're if you're not comfortable with this, that's fine,

516
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>because is I do will be right back after these messages.

517
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 1>But what kind of stuff was also happening when you

518
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>were younger?

519
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, so, like I said, I moved around a lot,

520
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I'm totally comfortable getting into it. I just

521
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't know how much I should kind of keep it

522
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>strictly to bigfoot stuff, but or being out in the woods.

523
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So I remember being woken up a lot from like

524
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:49.119
<v Speaker 2>deeper sleeps and just having an overwhelming presence feeling in

525
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>the room. I was terrified of sleeping alone and like

526
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:55.559
<v Speaker 2>in the dark. Even if I was like sleeping with

527
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 2>my mom, there had to be a night light because

528
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:01.079
<v Speaker 2>I would get woken up so often. I like noises,

529
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 2>and not just not just your typical like floorboard creaking

530
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 2>or the house settling, you know, like wood expansion or

531
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>whatever it was. It would sound more like tapping or knocking,

532
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 2>or or it would be something that I didn't hear.

533
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>It would just be an overwhelming sense of like a

534
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>presence of something in the room. Might even be kind

535
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.440
<v Speaker 2>of hyper focused on, like a certain corner, but not

536
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff that you know, could probably be chopped up to

537
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:38.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, kids fear and wild imaginations. But I woke

538
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.880
<v Speaker 2>up in my grandma's house before they sold their house

539
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 2>and we moved out to Spencent. They had a pink

540
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.240
<v Speaker 2>house up on the hill in Astoria, and one morning

541
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 2>everyone was downstairs eating breakfast and I was sleeping in

542
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I must have been like five or six, probably, But

543
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I woke up to the door just like slowly being

544
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 2>pushed open, which wasn't something that a breeze could do

545
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>because it was a really tall, like shaggy carpet and

546
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 2>it would require some effort to kind of push it open,

547
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 2>and that freaked me out. I booked it and ran downstairs,

548
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:25.759
<v Speaker 2>and then I used to see like shadows in the

549
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 2>corner of my eyes that I would just kind of

550
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 2>brush off or ignore because I don't know. I think

551
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I avoided for most of my childhood trying to understand

552
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:46.119
<v Speaker 2>or explain things that would happen. But that's because it

553
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.359
<v Speaker 2>was like too scary for me to really try to

554
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.799
<v Speaker 2>understand or think about. I was pretty easily spooked as

555
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:55.400
<v Speaker 2>a kid, Like I had to be careful of what

556
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 2>I watched and things like that because it would just

557
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 2>kind of linger for me, or it would feel so real.

558
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Even if it was just like a you know, a

559
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:07.240
<v Speaker 2>made up movie or something, it would feel very real.

560
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>And I've also always just had a very open mind

561
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 2>when it came to the possibility of things existing like

562
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot or you know, aliens, ghosts, you know, forest creatures,

563
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.559
<v Speaker 2>things like that, and I kind of feel like because

564
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 2>I've had an open mind to it, that I've naturally

565
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 2>been like approached or like exposed to experiencing more because

566
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, and that's just like my theory on

567
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>it is because I'm if other people tell me stories

568
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.679
<v Speaker 2>or things that they believe, and I just kind of like,

569
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I listen to them and you know, take them by

570
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:56.840
<v Speaker 2>their word if they if they seem authentic and without judgment,

571
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>and like, wow, you know, I personally don't know if

572
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 2>I believe in that specific thing, but I'm willing to

573
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:06.599
<v Speaker 2>hear it and hear them out and not discredit them

574
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.280
<v Speaker 2>for it. So I think a lot has to do

575
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 2>with my just open mindedness to the possibilities has made

576
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>me experience a lot more. And that stuff really vamped

577
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:23.480
<v Speaker 2>up more in like my teenage years and my early

578
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:28.079
<v Speaker 2>to mid twenties, and I still get little things here

579
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and there, usually when I'm by myself, but yeah, it's

580
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 2>something I'm more used to now and I've kind of

581
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:41.440
<v Speaker 2>overcome the fear and became more curious about things. And yeah,

582
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 2>so if that kind of explains it, I.

583
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 1>Don't know that that really makes sense any weird dreams

584
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 1>or or any weird communication or anything like that.

585
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually have a specifically with bigfoot. I was

586
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>debating whether I should add it or not into the stories.

587
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>But when I was young, or probably like between five

588
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>and seven, I would have a reoccurring dream about a

589
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:15.000
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot like watching me through a window, and it was

590
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.480
<v Speaker 2>always a square window. Weirdly enough, I should probably look

591
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 2>into like the symbology of you know, like dream symbolism

592
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.079
<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff. But I would always be alone,

593
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.039
<v Speaker 2>and typically in like my Grandma's house would be the setting.

594
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>But I'd be in the living room like watching TV

595
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:36.880
<v Speaker 2>alone with nobody else home, and then suddenly I'd get

596
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.280
<v Speaker 2>the feeling that I was being watched, and I would

597
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 2>look up, and sure enough it would be that square

598
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.440
<v Speaker 2>window with just the shoulders and the head of a bigfoot.

599
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 2>And I would immediately book it to the next room

600
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 2>over and find a hiding spot where I felt like

601
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I was out of view and for a moment feel

602
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 2>safe and like I wasn't seen. And then the feeling

603
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.519
<v Speaker 2>would come back around and I'd feel it again, and

604
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 2>I'd look up and where on a wall there wasn't

605
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.639
<v Speaker 2>a window before that same square window like manifested in

606
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 2>the dream, and that same exact Bigfoot would be right there,

607
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and it was always during the daytime. I wish I

608
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>could like think of or remember more details about like

609
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.159
<v Speaker 2>the face, but I in my dream, I would always

610
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of book it as soon as I saw, like

611
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the silhouette, and so I don't have much like memory

612
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>of the specifics of what it looked like or anything.

613
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and that one. I probably had that dream

614
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 2>like six or eight times, and it would just always

615
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>play out the same way, like maybe the house was

616
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 2>a little different, but the same exact thing would happen

617
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>every time. And I told my mom about it the

618
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 2>other day, asking her, you know, when she might think

619
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.159
<v Speaker 2>I was exposed to, like the idea of Bigfoot existing,

620
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.639
<v Speaker 2>because I don't remember, you know, I never saw Harry

621
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and the Henderson's until I was like twenty three, so

622
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and of course Bigfoot's marketed and used all over the

623
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 2>place now, But back then, I mean that would have

624
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.800
<v Speaker 2>been like the mid to late nineties, it wasn't as

625
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 2>common to see that, you know, silhouette or be exposed

626
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.639
<v Speaker 2>to the idea of Bigfoot. And you know, like I said,

627
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.800
<v Speaker 2>she was careful about what I would watch or see

628
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>as a kid, so she she couldn't think of a

629
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 2>time when maybe I would have learned about the possibility

630
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 2>of them. So I kind of tripped out at the

631
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 2>thought of, like, whoa, what if I was having these

632
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 2>dreams before I even knew they existed. But I can't

633
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.079
<v Speaker 2>like confirm or deny that.

634
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<v Speaker 1>That's that's super super interesting And thank you for sharing that,

635
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>because that's that's pretty personal. Well this all is. But yeah,

636
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 1>any questions I asked you, you can shut me down.

637
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Do you have a religious background at all?

638
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I do not. There's been times when like my mom

639
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:18.920
<v Speaker 2>or grandparents would attend church, like Christian churches, and I

640
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>went to church a little bit as a kid, but

641
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't super enforced and it wasn't something that stayed.

642
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>And then personally, I've dabbled in a lot more like

643
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.760
<v Speaker 2>spirituality stuff. But I'm now at a point in my

644
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 2>life where, you know, if I kind of go through

645
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 2>phases where I feel more connected to spirituality and other

646
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 2>times I don't. It kind of just depends what I

647
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 2>do or how I'm feeling. But it's not like a

648
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like an everyday thing, or I don't

649
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>take it super seriously. I just kind of have a

650
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>openness to the possibilities of all of it. I guess.

651
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you say dabble with stuff is like meditation.

652
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Stuff, I thought, yeah, meditation like divination like tarot cards

653
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 2>and pendulums. There was a time in my twenties where

654
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I was really into that stuff, and now it's just

655
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, yeah, I know about it and I

656
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:26.400
<v Speaker 2>have it, but I don't always use them or mess

657
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 2>with those things. I just kind of when it feels

658
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.599
<v Speaker 2>right or when I feel like utilizing them.

659
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:35.679
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like you're probably a type of person where

660
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 1>you're sensitive to different things, maybe even able to get

661
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>vibes about certain people that around you.

662
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps, Yeah, I think some of my own personal like

663
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.159
<v Speaker 2>like social anxieties or things like that, like mental health stuff,

664
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.639
<v Speaker 2>tend to get the way of Like when I'm around

665
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.239
<v Speaker 2>other people, I don't feel as sensitive to you know them.

666
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I think I can pick up on, you know, whether

667
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I think someone's being honest or authentic with me, But

668
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 2>I definitely don't pick up on you know, I don't

669
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.519
<v Speaker 2>claim to have any specific like gifts, I guess if

670
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.800
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense, But based off of you know, reading

671
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.920
<v Speaker 2>about the different types like Claire buoyance or whatever, things

672
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.639
<v Speaker 2>like that. A lot of my experiences have been audible,

673
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 2>and I tend to hear things that people other people

674
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>don't and so if anything, kind of leans more towards

675
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>like the Claire audience side of things. But I don't

676
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 2>like claim any of those as a label.

677
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>If yeah, that's that's really interesting. So you never have

678
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 1>like you're around someone who don't know and it's like, oh,

679
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it really should talk to them for

680
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 1>some reason, and.

681
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I haven't. I haven't had that. I mean, I'll

682
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 2>be drawn towards people if I feel like they give

683
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 2>off good energy or good vibes, whatever you want to

684
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.159
<v Speaker 2>call it. But I tend to think like I just

685
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 2>end up stumbling upon like being at the right place

686
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.199
<v Speaker 2>at the right time and meeting people like I actually

687
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.159
<v Speaker 2>view the festival as kind of that, because that was

688
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.559
<v Speaker 2>the first time I attended one of those things, and

689
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I was a little nervous to get out there and

690
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, be put myself. I don't. I don't go

691
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>out too much and I've got a pretty small circle

692
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>and just kind of do my thing. So getting out

693
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:42.880
<v Speaker 2>in the public or bigger events sometimes can like I

694
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.519
<v Speaker 2>can talk myself out of going, but I made myself

695
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.920
<v Speaker 2>go and it ended up being amazing.

696
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, absolutely, Well thanks for thanks for backtracking a

697
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:59.880
<v Speaker 1>little bit and going over some of the foundational stuff. So, yeah,

698
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.159
<v Speaker 1>year we were last talking about the Campsite incident in

699
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.159
<v Speaker 1>your in your early twenties, and.

700
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Then oh, I actually do have a little like side

701
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:19.679
<v Speaker 2>note spin off experience to that. So I can't remember

702
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.320
<v Speaker 2>what year that was, but so when I was around

703
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 2>like twenty one two, and that was probably in the springtime,

704
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, like late spring or early summer.

705
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, that following December, my parents were living in

706
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 2>central Oregon at the time in Redmond, and we went

707
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 2>to their house around Christmas time and my brother and

708
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.840
<v Speaker 2>I and one of my good friends at the time,

709
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 2>we decided to go hike at Smith Rock. And we

710
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 2>instead of going up and over you know the big

711
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 2>rock stuff, like the kind of the main trail, I

712
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>forget what the actual trail name is called, but there's

713
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.280
<v Speaker 2>also you can kind of go down to the left

714
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.039
<v Speaker 2>and just follow down along the flat canyon area. So

715
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 2>we decided to do that one and I was telling

716
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:14.000
<v Speaker 2>them the story about the rock throwing the Spruce Run

717
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>campground and we're in like a single file line. My

718
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.119
<v Speaker 2>brother's leading my friends in the middle, and then I'm

719
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in the back. And at the time, no one was

720
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 2>like around us. I think we were on a part

721
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 2>of the trail that maybe other people weren't either at

722
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.199
<v Speaker 2>yet or just wasn't like a high traffic time. It

723
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 2>was just mostly felt like it was us. We didn't

724
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 2>pass that many people. So anyways, I'm like kind of

725
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:43.639
<v Speaker 2>telling this story as we're walking along, and my friend

726
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.679
<v Speaker 2>in the middle just asked me, like, you know, I

727
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.679
<v Speaker 2>can't remember how she worded it, but she was essentially

728
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>asking me if I thought that there was something more

729
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:58.320
<v Speaker 2>to them, like intelligence or you know, stranger about them,

730
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 2>something like more complex, and you know, I immediately answered with, like, yeah, definitely,

731
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.280
<v Speaker 2>like that was kind of where I was leaning towards.

732
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:16.800
<v Speaker 2>And right after I said yes, absolutely, I we heard

733
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>this PLoP right behind us and we turn around and

734
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:28.400
<v Speaker 2>this like flat, larger rock was thrown from somewhere and

735
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.039
<v Speaker 2>was just dropped perfectly centered in the path behind us,

736
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 2>like we had just walked through there. We knew that

737
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 2>that rock wasn't there before, and we all heard like

738
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 2>the PLoP of it landing behind us, and I turned

739
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 2>around and saw it, and we all looked at each

740
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:48.320
<v Speaker 2>other and they're like, that was weird, and we look around.

741
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.639
<v Speaker 2>I think there was to our right more of like

742
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a big.

743
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Rock face wall, big so society who will be right

744
00:45:54.480 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>back after these messages, So there.

745
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Was nobody, you know, on our right, and then on

746
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 2>our left was like a moving kind of little like

747
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.639
<v Speaker 2>ravine area and the water was kind of loud. But

748
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.320
<v Speaker 2>on the opposite side of the running water there is

749
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.599
<v Speaker 2>another trail, but it's a little bit farther out and

750
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:33.000
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing but you know, like maybe knee hide rocks

751
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 2>and sagebrush, and there was nobody over there. And we

752
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.719
<v Speaker 2>looked in front of us, behind us, and no one

753
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.280
<v Speaker 2>was around us at that time. But also even if

754
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.320
<v Speaker 2>somebody did throw, like a human throw a rock from

755
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 2>the other side, that water was pretty loud, and I

756
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>couldn't imagine that from there that they could really hear

757
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.760
<v Speaker 2>us that well. And like the story I was telling

758
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 2>and just the timing of it was really interesting. So

759
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.320
<v Speaker 2>that felt almost like a confirmation to when I answered

760
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:13.159
<v Speaker 2>that question to her, I was like, oh, that was funny. Yeah,

761
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.679
<v Speaker 2>So that was just a little kind of spin off

762
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:18.719
<v Speaker 2>of that story, just the timing and everything.

763
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's so weird because I've had multiple interviews recently

764
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and some of them got really deep, and there have

765
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 1>been other people that have said a similar variant of

766
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 1>what you just said, where it's like they were saying

767
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.199
<v Speaker 1>something in the exact second after they stopped saying it,

768
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 1>there was some physical like something fell or a tree

769
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.159
<v Speaker 1>was pushed over. That's a wild way. Yeah, it's a

770
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 1>very interesting thing that you just mentioned, because it's something

771
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.639
<v Speaker 1>that I'm starting to hear from other people that are

772
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.400
<v Speaker 1>also very open to certain things like you are saying.

773
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if there's a connection there, but yeah.

774
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I don't know. I mean, just based

775
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.000
<v Speaker 2>off of my own experience, that's kind of where my

776
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>head leads and what I kind of theorized, but of

777
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.480
<v Speaker 2>course we all have our own individual experiences. During that

778
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 2>time too, I was listening to and watching different YouTube

779
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.400
<v Speaker 2>channels where I was kind of learning more about people's

780
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.800
<v Speaker 2>encounters and things more beyond just like the flesh and

781
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 2>blood idea of them. So that was kind of already

782
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>on my mind, and it seemed like once I would

783
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:34.599
<v Speaker 2>learn something new, and I was like exposed to a

784
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:39.039
<v Speaker 2>new idea or like maybe thing that people assumed that

785
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>they did, like rock throwing or the tree knocky and

786
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.960
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff. It was like as soon as I

787
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 2>had read or listened to something that talked about it,

788
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:55.639
<v Speaker 2>I would experience it or yeah, like encounter that. So

789
00:48:56.119 --> 00:49:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of I always lead back to the

790
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.360
<v Speaker 2>idea that you know, we kind of we tend to

791
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.159
<v Speaker 2>perceive things based off of what we know. You know,

792
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like if you don't know that something is a

793
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Speaker 2>possibility or exists, it's like your brain might not pick

794
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.719
<v Speaker 2>up on that or even see it, like you'd walk

795
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 2>right past it, or you chalk it up to a

796
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 2>bird making a noise or whatever. So yeah, just trying

797
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 2>to like learn and listen to more people's encounters makes

798
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.960
<v Speaker 2>me want to get out and kind of try to

799
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 2>experience more things.

800
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think there's something to that, definitely. Yeah, Yeah,

801
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I think when you're you're studying different things like this,

802
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.599
<v Speaker 1>you are going to be familiar with certain things that

803
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.400
<v Speaker 1>if you had just heard a weird bird in the

804
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.480
<v Speaker 1>woods that didn't really sound like a bird, you'd probably

805
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's just a weird bird. But then yeah, if

806
00:49:56.920 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 1>you're maybe familiar with bigfoot stuff, you might be thinking

807
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:04.039
<v Speaker 1>some other stuff too, So I totally get it. You

808
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.519
<v Speaker 1>also had some some things happen after that. Correct.

809
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's kind of my most recent experience that I had,

810
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and again it's a more like audible experience, but it

811
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:22.639
<v Speaker 2>was my first time going out with kind of the

812
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>newer knowledge and ideas and possibilities about them. And after

813
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.280
<v Speaker 2>learning that, I had been wanting to go out and

814
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.840
<v Speaker 2>find an area where I could try to maybe i'd like.

815
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 2>People use the word habituation. I think I learned that

816
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:45.079
<v Speaker 2>from listening to your podcast, but basically something like that,

817
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.320
<v Speaker 2>where I'd go and I try to bring gifts and

818
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.280
<v Speaker 2>see if I could, you know, maybe stir things up.

819
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing too was the method of people

820
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 2>going out and just talking out loud in the woods.

821
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 2>And it felt very strange to me to like try

822
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to do that, and you know, I kind of laughed

823
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.119
<v Speaker 2>at myself or felt silly for doing it, but that

824
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:11.920
<v Speaker 2>was kind of my intention, was to go out and

825
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 2>find a spot and try those things. And at the

826
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 2>time I was living in Venitas before I moved out

827
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 2>to Cottage grove. I was twenty nine, so this was

828
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 2>spring of twenty twenty three, and I decided to head

829
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>west towards like the sayus Law National Forest. And I

830
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 2>was driving around for quite a while and nothing was

831
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.880
<v Speaker 2>really you know popping out or there wasn't like the

832
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.679
<v Speaker 2>perfect turnoff the area, and I wasn't really sure exactly

833
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.360
<v Speaker 2>what I was looking for. I just kind of you know,

834
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:51.880
<v Speaker 2>winging it. And then I noticed this gate that's blocking

835
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:56.840
<v Speaker 2>off this cement bridge and I noticed it was going

836
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:00.320
<v Speaker 2>over the bridge was you know, over the saius Law River.

837
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 2>So I decided to just pull out. And I was like, oh,

838
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:06.599
<v Speaker 2>I just want to see the water and maybe experienced

839
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 2>in like nice nature spot for a second. So I

840
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.519
<v Speaker 2>just got out and took a break and parked my

841
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.519
<v Speaker 2>car in front of the gate, and I walk around

842
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.039
<v Speaker 2>the gate and onto the bridge, and there's a bunch

843
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 2>of like old leaf debris, pine needles, you know, like

844
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.559
<v Speaker 2>little twigs and stuff that had fallen. And so I

845
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.960
<v Speaker 2>could tell that it wasn't like they hadn't used. I

846
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 2>assumed it was kind of like leading towards like a

847
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 2>logging operation road or something, but didn't seem like anyone

848
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.079
<v Speaker 2>had driven across it for a while, and then on

849
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 2>the opposite side was kind of some overgrown grass that

850
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:51.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe had old tire mark tread lines. But yeah, So

851
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I start walking on the bridge and I get about

852
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.000
<v Speaker 2>like five or six feet in and I hear this

853
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 2>knock from underneath the bridge. But it sounded metallic, like

854
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.440
<v Speaker 2>something knocked on. Like the first thing that popped in

855
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.239
<v Speaker 2>my head was like the metal support of beam underneath

856
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.320
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. And because it definitely came from

857
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 2>below me, and it was definitely like a tin kind

858
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:22.320
<v Speaker 2>of knocking sound, and I stopped and listened for a

859
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.639
<v Speaker 2>second and was like, hm, maybe that was just kind

860
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.719
<v Speaker 2>of something settling and making a noise. I don't know,

861
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.719
<v Speaker 2>So I kept walking. I stopped in the middle for

862
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:37.920
<v Speaker 2>a second, and then I continued towards the other end

863
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 2>of the bridge, and just before I reached the end

864
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.039
<v Speaker 2>of the bridge on the opposite side, I heard it again,

865
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 2>except funny enough, it didn't sound like a perfect little knock.

866
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:55.159
<v Speaker 2>It sounded like something tried to slap the metal beam

867
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 2>or whatever it was with like its finger, and like

868
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.159
<v Speaker 2>didn't hit it just right, so it was like it

869
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.400
<v Speaker 2>didn't come out. It was like quieter, and it almost

870
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.400
<v Speaker 2>sounded like a misfire knock. If that makes sense, I

871
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:12.199
<v Speaker 2>don't know, because I don't know, And maybe that was

872
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:14.480
<v Speaker 2>intentional the way it sounded, but it sounded to me

873
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:18.639
<v Speaker 2>like I could hear the like fingers smacking it, but

874
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 2>not as you know, loud as they intended to kind

875
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 2>of thing. And then I so at that point I

876
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:30.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, that's weird those noises, and I started

877
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 2>to walk very quietly, like as quiet as I could,

878
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:37.599
<v Speaker 2>across the debris back to my car in case, you know,

879
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.519
<v Speaker 2>I had the idea of like, oh, maybe there's a

880
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 2>person under there. I should maybe be conscious of that.

881
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:43.559
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm a girl out in the woods

882
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.079
<v Speaker 2>out here all by myself without any cell phone service.

883
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.119
<v Speaker 2>So I slowly start to walk back towards my car,

884
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.400
<v Speaker 2>and when I hit almost the end of the bridge

885
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:58.960
<v Speaker 2>again it happens and it's another more of a knock sound,

886
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 2>but it was even quiet, so I couldn't And at

887
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:05.840
<v Speaker 2>this point I think I was recording on my phone

888
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.280
<v Speaker 2>and I tried to pick it up, but I it

889
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't pick up the knocking noises. And then I'm standing

890
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.960
<v Speaker 2>at my car and thinking, you know, if it was

891
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 2>a person that I was trying to like scare me

892
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 2>out of here, there'd probably be more noises than just

893
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the knocking, and you know, like maybe if they were

894
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to really get me out of this area. And

895
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:33.599
<v Speaker 2>then I had the idea of like, oh, maybe those

896
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:37.719
<v Speaker 2>were you know, like knocks to tell me that I

897
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.199
<v Speaker 2>found a spot. You know, like maybe that's what that

898
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:45.199
<v Speaker 2>just was. I don't know, so, and I didn't feel

899
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 2>in danger or anything, like, it's really peaceful out there.

900
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 2>So I decided to just go back on the bridge

901
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.119
<v Speaker 2>and grab my phone and to lean over the edge

902
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.119
<v Speaker 2>of the bridge in the middle and to try to

903
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:03.119
<v Speaker 2>record with my camera like both sides underneath to see

904
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:06.400
<v Speaker 2>if somebody or something was down there. So I like

905
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.639
<v Speaker 2>really carefully grabbed my phone, just like really hoping I

906
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:12.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't about to, you know, drop it in the water,

907
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.559
<v Speaker 2>and I pan it from one side to the other

908
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.280
<v Speaker 2>and pull it back up, open my camera roll and look,

909
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 2>and there's nothing down there, Like there's nobody, and the

910
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:27.800
<v Speaker 2>water's fairly high. There's like a little bit of a

911
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.320
<v Speaker 2>ledge where somebody could stand, but it's kind of steep,

912
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:35.440
<v Speaker 2>so I couldn't imagine someone hiding under there without you know,

913
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 2>struggling with balance. And you know, it's kind of like

914
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:42.639
<v Speaker 2>that clay type soil too, so it'd be kind of slick,

915
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and I just I couldn't imagine how someone would be

916
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.000
<v Speaker 2>down there hanging out. But and then there was a

917
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of overgrown brush on both sides. I'm sure you

918
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.039
<v Speaker 2>could kind of move your way down there underneath the bridge,

919
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.840
<v Speaker 2>but there was no obvious, like even game trail leading

920
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:03.920
<v Speaker 2>down there, and you'd make quite a bit of noise

921
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.159
<v Speaker 2>walking around in it. There's just like a lot of

922
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.559
<v Speaker 2>crunchy leaves and little twigs on the ground. So aside

923
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.440
<v Speaker 2>from the knox, I didn't hear anything else, so I

924
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of just said, Okay, maybe that was confirmation that

925
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I found my spot. So I went back to my

926
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:28.599
<v Speaker 2>car and I grabbed some gifts quote unquote, I just

927
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of brought like I had some old stones or

928
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:36.800
<v Speaker 2>crystals that I didn't really need anymore, and I think

929
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:41.719
<v Speaker 2>I grabbed a couple of seashells, and then I had

930
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 2>apples and ausie bites, which are really good. They're kind

931
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.400
<v Speaker 2>of like a healthy snack or whatever. I just kind

932
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 2>of grabbed things that I had at home, and I

933
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.639
<v Speaker 2>decided to set them on kind of the ledge on

934
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.519
<v Speaker 2>the side of the bridge there and them, and I

935
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:03.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, I guess now would be a good

936
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.800
<v Speaker 2>time for me to attempt to talk out loud if

937
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.440
<v Speaker 2>there's like anything out here. So I start talking out

938
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:14.079
<v Speaker 2>loud and I feel totally ridiculous, and I'm doing this

939
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:19.360
<v Speaker 2>from so I yeah. I went back on the bridge

940
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.320
<v Speaker 2>and I'm standing in the middle of the bridge kind

941
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 2>of talking in the direction of my car and the

942
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>road and that direction. And as I'm talking, I just

943
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of like introduced myself and I was like, I

944
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:41.880
<v Speaker 2>you know that I believe in them existing out here,

945
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:48.159
<v Speaker 2>and that you know that it's hard for me to

946
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.159
<v Speaker 2>be out in the woods by myself because I had

947
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 2>an idea I had to like just be authentic, and

948
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.159
<v Speaker 2>so I was like, I'm a little bit fearful, So

949
00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:58.639
<v Speaker 2>this is like a lot for me to come out

950
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:01.280
<v Speaker 2>in the woods alone. And you know, it just was

951
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of silly. I cut out that part of my

952
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:06.639
<v Speaker 2>recording because I can't like listen back to it. It

953
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.599
<v Speaker 2>just sounds ridiculous. But as I was talking, I just

954
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:16.280
<v Speaker 2>got this really strong just I guess the best I

955
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:18.599
<v Speaker 2>can explain. It is like my whole body was just

956
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:23.719
<v Speaker 2>like zinging, just like I don't even know if I

957
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.519
<v Speaker 2>would call it like vibration or something. It just felt

958
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:30.639
<v Speaker 2>like my whole almost like an adrenaline rush, and it

959
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:36.599
<v Speaker 2>felt like something was very close and like listening to me,

960
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.320
<v Speaker 2>and it was just all over, like my whole body

961
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.320
<v Speaker 2>just took over and this like feeling of like I

962
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.639
<v Speaker 2>don't I don't even know how to really describe it.

963
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I had never felt anything that strong before and it

964
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.480
<v Speaker 2>took me off guard and I had to kind of

965
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:59.199
<v Speaker 2>like take a deep breath and nothing. I wasn't hearing

966
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:05.320
<v Speaker 2>anything around me. I just had that moment of feeling that,

967
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:10.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, physical sensation. And so it was also getting

968
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 2>dark at this point. The sun wasn't fully set yet,

969
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.079
<v Speaker 2>but there's a lot of tree canopy, so as it

970
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 2>was starting to move that direction, it got darker and

971
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.480
<v Speaker 2>darker pretty quick, and I didn't think I was ready

972
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:25.679
<v Speaker 2>to be in the dark in the woods by myself,

973
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.679
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, I better wrap this up, and

974
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not hearing anything, And in the moment,

975
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really take very seriously the physical sensation that

976
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:40.679
<v Speaker 2>I felt. I just tried to kind of move through it,

977
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:47.159
<v Speaker 2>and so but in my recording, I I after I

978
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:49.800
<v Speaker 2>was done talking, I was trying to wrap it up,

979
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:53.039
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of dorkishly said like, oh, like you

980
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:58.280
<v Speaker 2>live in a really beautiful place. And then I took

981
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.760
<v Speaker 2>this big like saw, like trying to calm myself down.

982
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:07.519
<v Speaker 2>And right after I took that big exhale, something in

983
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.639
<v Speaker 2>the woods across the road in front of my car

984
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 2>let out what sounded to me in the moment like

985
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:19.480
<v Speaker 2>a really deep sigh, and it was very loud, and

986
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:25.960
<v Speaker 2>it completely caught me off guard because it sounded, I mean,

987
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.039
<v Speaker 2>it sounded perfectly like a sigh, almost like it mimicked

988
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:33.679
<v Speaker 2>my sigh. And I even heard pitch changed, like it

989
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:38.679
<v Speaker 2>was like a who, like you heard three tones change beig.

990
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.280
<v Speaker 1>So a society will be right back after these messages.

991
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.880
<v Speaker 2>And of course I can't do it justice, but it

992
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I just I was in shock, and weirdly enough, I

993
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 2>recognized I mean, you can't say you recognize the voice,

994
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:17.880
<v Speaker 2>but like I've listened to stuff from like a lot

995
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:23.880
<v Speaker 2>of audio from Sasquatch, Ontario or Mike I can't think

996
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:27.119
<v Speaker 2>of his last name, but the like the tone of

997
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 2>the the voice or sound. I guess it reminded me

998
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot like that like that at the moment I

999
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 2>heard it, it like clicked in my brain. It was

1000
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:41.159
<v Speaker 2>like that was one of them. And I immediately just

1001
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.519
<v Speaker 2>like my stomach dropped and I was just kind of

1002
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:48.440
<v Speaker 2>in shock, and I was like, oh crap, like that

1003
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.599
<v Speaker 2>came from closer to where my car is, and I

1004
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.400
<v Speaker 2>have to walk that direction and it's getting really dark now,

1005
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:59.760
<v Speaker 2>like I'm I'm scared, and so I just out loud

1006
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.440
<v Speaker 2>said like okay, like thank you, I need to walk

1007
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:05.639
<v Speaker 2>back to my car now, so if you could please

1008
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.719
<v Speaker 2>just give me some space. And so I just like

1009
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:12.679
<v Speaker 2>my whole body is now shaking out of fear, and

1010
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm like trembling, and I'm walking back to my car

1011
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:18.400
<v Speaker 2>and I and I get in the car and I

1012
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:20.599
<v Speaker 2>lock the door and I turn on my car and

1013
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I immediately just start leaving because I couldn't handle it.

1014
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:26.920
<v Speaker 2>It was such a weird physical reaction, like my hands

1015
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:31.079
<v Speaker 2>were on the steering wheel and just like like shaking.

1016
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:34.679
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't calm myself down. I was like okay, like

1017
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it's okay, We're in the car. It's safe, and you know,

1018
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:41.639
<v Speaker 2>like realizing, you know, you kind of asked for this,

1019
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:43.679
<v Speaker 2>this is what we came out here to experience. But

1020
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:49.239
<v Speaker 2>I just I didn't expect such a physical reaction to it.

1021
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 2>And I really didn't think about that part of this

1022
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.159
<v Speaker 2>experience until I started listening to like more things on

1023
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:05.199
<v Speaker 2>your podcast or some other people and listening or hearing

1024
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:09.960
<v Speaker 2>other people mention the physical reactions or yeah, responses that

1025
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:14.920
<v Speaker 2>they get from interactions. That was a piece that I

1026
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:20.320
<v Speaker 2>never really thought about, I guess, but yeah, that I

1027
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.119
<v Speaker 2>just kind of took away from it. You know. I

1028
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:24.599
<v Speaker 2>had the recording and I shared it with like my

1029
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.639
<v Speaker 2>mom and my sister, but of course it does not

1030
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:31.159
<v Speaker 2>do it justice because it's so I was on the

1031
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.840
<v Speaker 2>bridge with my phone recording and this thing. I'm not

1032
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:37.800
<v Speaker 2>good at judging distance as far as like, you know,

1033
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:40.159
<v Speaker 2>how many feet away, but you know, I was in

1034
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the bridge, and then there's the gate,

1035
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:46.400
<v Speaker 2>my car a road, and then it was a little

1036
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:48.920
<v Speaker 2>set back in the woods just on the other side

1037
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.360
<v Speaker 2>of the car or on the other side of the road,

1038
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and so it's a lot quieter, and I had to

1039
01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:01.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of try to enhance the recording. I called it

1040
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.400
<v Speaker 2>the si Use law. Who, because in the recording it

1041
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:10.079
<v Speaker 2>sounds almost like a who instead of a sigh, but

1042
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:13.760
<v Speaker 2>in person, I heard like it seemed so much more

1043
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.280
<v Speaker 2>drawn out, like a longer sound, and I heard the

1044
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:22.840
<v Speaker 2>pitch tone like three times, Like it doesn't do it justice.

1045
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:27.159
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, I have the recording of it, and it

1046
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.960
<v Speaker 2>was the most intense thing I think I've experienced the date,

1047
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:34.639
<v Speaker 2>and I've been a little too afraid to go back

1048
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:37.840
<v Speaker 2>by myself since then, but I want to muster up

1049
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.199
<v Speaker 2>the courage to go back out there because that's what

1050
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:45.199
<v Speaker 2>I was hoping for. It's just you just don't expect yourself,

1051
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.039
<v Speaker 2>you know. It's like until you experience something like more

1052
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:52.280
<v Speaker 2>than you ever thought you would, it's like it just

1053
01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:54.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really set in that you know how that can

1054
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:58.400
<v Speaker 2>affect you, and trying to like overcome the fearful side

1055
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 2>of it and stay and collected or to return even

1056
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:08.880
<v Speaker 2>and try to experience more. So, Yeah, it's kind of wild.

1057
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:13.480
<v Speaker 1>That's that's absolutely wild. And it's another example of where

1058
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:18.159
<v Speaker 1>something responded to you almost immediately, which is really really cool.

1059
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I didn't think about it that way.

1060
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.079
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, is that the audio that you had sent

1061
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:24.639
<v Speaker 1>over to me?

1062
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is.

1063
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Should we should we try to put it in? Are

1064
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you okay with that?

1065
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Totally fine. Maybe just like heads up to people

1066
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:39.239
<v Speaker 2>if they have hadphones on the white noise can be

1067
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:43.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit loud, but yeah, yeah, go for it.

1068
01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good call on that. I'm gonna play it through

1069
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 1>three times. It's it's quick, but you can always rewind

1070
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:53.199
<v Speaker 1>as well. So here we go.

1071
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Man.

1072
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Knowing the context of that sound now is incredible, just

1073
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.119
<v Speaker 1>thinking of the story you just told.

1074
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Wow, it was. Yeah. When I listened to that audio,

1075
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, because it just doesn't do it justice. You know.

1076
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I had to like I have to like sit in

1077
01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:20.320
<v Speaker 2>my brain and think, Okay, this is how it sounded

1078
01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:23.400
<v Speaker 2>in the moment, like remember that because that bool Just

1079
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 2>thinking about that will give me chills. And I even

1080
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:29.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, I didn't have phone service out there, but

1081
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:31.800
<v Speaker 2>I found a single bar. On the drive home, I

1082
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.400
<v Speaker 2>couldn't make it home before I had to call my

1083
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:36.800
<v Speaker 2>mom and I told her what happened. And as I

1084
01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:42.159
<v Speaker 2>was telling her, I got like emotional, which was so weird,

1085
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Like it just popped up out of nowhere, Like I

1086
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:48.239
<v Speaker 2>just started getting emotional, like and it wasn't really the

1087
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:50.800
<v Speaker 2>fear it just like I think I was in just

1088
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:54.639
<v Speaker 2>complete shock, and it was like things I've heard, you know,

1089
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:58.400
<v Speaker 2>through other people that put out content or whatever, and

1090
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:02.039
<v Speaker 2>it was like I heard that in real life, and

1091
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I think I was just in awe that that happened

1092
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:08.719
<v Speaker 2>to me. It seems like something that very few people

1093
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:13.239
<v Speaker 2>get to hear, and yeah, I was just in shock.

1094
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:23.319
<v Speaker 1>It is. It's very strange when as humans we you know,

1095
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:27.399
<v Speaker 1>start to look for certain things. And maybe there's an

1096
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:29.319
<v Speaker 1>old saying that has been said to me over the

1097
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.199
<v Speaker 1>last few years and maybe even you too, where it's

1098
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:37.079
<v Speaker 1>like be careful what you wish for. When that actually

1099
01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:40.119
<v Speaker 1>when things start to change and you start to experience things,

1100
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:44.640
<v Speaker 1>it is a thing where it gets you get very

1101
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.680
<v Speaker 1>emotional and it is hard to deal with, especially in

1102
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the moment. I had some things happen out in Oakridge,

1103
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:59.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's really hard to control how you respond in

1104
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.720
<v Speaker 1>that moment. So yeah, I totally I totally get it.

1105
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it can take you, Yeah, I can take

1106
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:11.159
<v Speaker 2>you off guard. And I think it might have even

1107
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:15.399
<v Speaker 2>been in like Tobe's book or an interview he was saying,

1108
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:18.640
<v Speaker 2>but someone that he went out with and they were

1109
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:21.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to walk in the direction of a sound, and

1110
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:24.319
<v Speaker 2>this guy he was with was typically kind of like

1111
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.520
<v Speaker 2>a tough, manly man, and how he just like was

1112
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:30.640
<v Speaker 2>immediately just had so much fear rush over him, almost

1113
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:32.880
<v Speaker 2>to the point of tears, and he was like upset,

1114
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:36.279
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh, my gosh, that's I mean.

1115
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:39.039
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't like upset, but I was just the same thing.

1116
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.760
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, other people are experiencing like

1117
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.279
<v Speaker 2>physical reactions to this, and that's just the side of

1118
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:52.520
<v Speaker 2>it that I didn't really think about before. So it's yeah, really.

1119
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Interesting having experienced that. Now, what is your viewpoint towards

1120
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.319
<v Speaker 1>that area. Is it that you want to go back

1121
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot? Or like man, maybe maybe.

1122
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Not, or I do. The timing was a little bit

1123
01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:12.079
<v Speaker 2>unfortunate because I just kind of started a new career

1124
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:17.439
<v Speaker 2>and then I moved also down to Cottage Grove, So

1125
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:21.560
<v Speaker 2>at the time I was only like, probably I was

1126
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:24.239
<v Speaker 2>less than an hour away from the spot, and now

1127
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm probably more like an hour and a half hour

1128
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and forty five minutes, so it's not as easy to access,

1129
01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:35.319
<v Speaker 2>like time wise and stuff for me. But I want

1130
01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:37.479
<v Speaker 2>to make a point to go back out there because

1131
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I felt like, you know, I didn't feel like I

1132
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.479
<v Speaker 2>was in danger or anything. I just knew it was

1133
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:47.359
<v Speaker 2>my own fear bubbling up to the service. So a

1134
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.640
<v Speaker 2>part of me also wanted to work on trying to

1135
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I could do that, but other

1136
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.520
<v Speaker 2>than just getting out there, but trying to work on,

1137
01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:59.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, staying I guess grounded and not let my emotions,

1138
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:03.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, take over and make me want to leave

1139
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of a thing. But I know I would love

1140
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:12.720
<v Speaker 2>to go out there and continue like gifting and maybe

1141
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:17.399
<v Speaker 2>trying to car camp overnight there. And I'm not opposed

1142
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:20.079
<v Speaker 2>to like bringing a friend with me or like I've

1143
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:23.840
<v Speaker 2>been back out there since then with my mom, and

1144
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I brought my sister out there one time, and we've

1145
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:34.520
<v Speaker 2>heard some interesting stuff. But like, I tend to not

1146
01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:37.479
<v Speaker 2>mention this one as much because of course it's easy

1147
01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:41.079
<v Speaker 2>to you know, our brains can sometimes see things or

1148
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:43.079
<v Speaker 2>mess with us a little bit. But then one of

1149
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.079
<v Speaker 2>the nights I brought my mom back out there with me,

1150
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:47.720
<v Speaker 2>and it was dark, but there was a little bit

1151
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:52.920
<v Speaker 2>of moonlight kind of shining through you know, the forest

1152
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:55.800
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, and We're standing out there and I'm

1153
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:58.600
<v Speaker 2>looking in the direction of this, like I can see

1154
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:03.760
<v Speaker 2>the outline of like this big trunked tree, and just

1155
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to the right of it, I'm like squinting my eyes

1156
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.439
<v Speaker 2>and looking because I noticed like a shape and I

1157
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.479
<v Speaker 2>just perfectly see like this head shoulders and then straight

1158
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.399
<v Speaker 2>down and I'm looking and I'm like, there's no way,

1159
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Like I think my mind's playing tricks on me, because

1160
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:25.720
<v Speaker 2>if that is something, it is massive, like really big,

1161
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:31.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's not very that was probably less than fifty

1162
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:34.000
<v Speaker 2>feet from us. If I was guessing, I'm not the

1163
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.159
<v Speaker 2>best of that. But and so I didn't say anything

1164
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:39.079
<v Speaker 2>to my mom. I just said, hey, can we go

1165
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:42.000
<v Speaker 2>sit in the car for a second, because in case

1166
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:46.680
<v Speaker 2>it was something, I instantly just got freaked out. And

1167
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.359
<v Speaker 2>then we sat in the car and listened for a bit.

1168
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I calmed down and I was like, Okay, I'm going

1169
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.520
<v Speaker 2>to get back out, like I'm kind I've kind of recentered,

1170
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and I go back to that same spot and I

1171
01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:59.880
<v Speaker 2>look for that tree. In that spot where I saw

1172
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:05.560
<v Speaker 2>a head and shoulders. There was nothing there. It was

1173
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:08.239
<v Speaker 2>like an open spot back lit by the moonlight, and

1174
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:11.159
<v Speaker 2>there was so in that moment, I was like, Okay,

1175
01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.520
<v Speaker 2>maybe I did see the silhouette of something there. But

1176
01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't be totally for sure if my eyes were

1177
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.000
<v Speaker 2>just adjusting and playing tricks, but I was almost certain

1178
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:24.279
<v Speaker 2>that I saw a silhouette there.

1179
01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:27.560
<v Speaker 1>And I mean that's the other weird thing, because it's

1180
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.520
<v Speaker 1>like we get to the point where we're like, we

1181
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:34.000
<v Speaker 1>want to see stuff like that, but then when it happened,

1182
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:39.560
<v Speaker 1>we're like our logic side tries to kick in really

1183
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.520
<v Speaker 1>hard and it's like, yeah, there's no way that this

1184
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.000
<v Speaker 1>is actually happening. It's got to be this or it's

1185
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.399
<v Speaker 1>got to be a bear. And it gets really really weird,

1186
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:52.119
<v Speaker 1>the back and forth between what I call like the

1187
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:54.359
<v Speaker 1>logical side and the bigfoot side.

1188
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, because it's good to keep that, but like, yeah,

1189
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:03.119
<v Speaker 2>it can become kind of a gray area sometimes.

1190
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:08.279
<v Speaker 1>So your mom didn't didn't say anything, though, sounds.

1191
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Like she no. She heard some you know, we'd hear

1192
01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:17.000
<v Speaker 2>like stick breaks and sounded like something walking around us

1193
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.079
<v Speaker 2>in the woods. But she got creeped out because in

1194
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the distance we actually heard barred owls and I don't

1195
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:28.199
<v Speaker 2>know if you've heard them go off, but they tend

1196
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:32.520
<v Speaker 2>to almost sound a little bit like a monkey, and

1197
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:36.359
<v Speaker 2>it sounded like babies in a nest and I instantly

1198
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.039
<v Speaker 2>knew what it was when it went off, but that

1199
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.439
<v Speaker 2>freaked her out and she's like, what is that like?

1200
01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:43.199
<v Speaker 2>And I tried to tell her. I was like, it's okay,

1201
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.800
<v Speaker 2>like those are barred owls. And she went and sat

1202
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.119
<v Speaker 2>in the car for a minute. But she was able

1203
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:52.239
<v Speaker 2>to like come back out and hang out for a bit,

1204
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.720
<v Speaker 2>and she's she's fun to go and listen with. She'll

1205
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:57.640
<v Speaker 2>just kind of be quiet and listen to all the

1206
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:02.439
<v Speaker 2>sounds with me. And yeah, she's a fun one to

1207
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:04.399
<v Speaker 2>go big flitting with.

1208
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.640
<v Speaker 1>And so this is a this is a pretty recent

1209
01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:11.079
<v Speaker 1>thing though, So this is like now we're we're pretty

1210
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:13.079
<v Speaker 1>much this all is happening current day.

1211
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:18.279
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like, yeah, I have I think the last

1212
01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:22.279
<v Speaker 2>time I went out was maybe in May, and I

1213
01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:24.079
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to go out there and see if like

1214
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the area had changed, and I have a dog now,

1215
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:31.079
<v Speaker 2>so I brought my dog out with me and nothing,

1216
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:32.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, it kind of looked the same. It looked

1217
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:36.399
<v Speaker 2>like they were utilizing that road again because the bridge

1218
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:40.600
<v Speaker 2>was totally cleaned off, but the gate was still closed.

1219
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:43.760
<v Speaker 2>And then I didn't really pick up on any noises

1220
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:46.880
<v Speaker 2>out there, and I think that's pretty normal for the daytime.

1221
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:50.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of like the bird sounds. But no,

1222
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:54.760
<v Speaker 2>my plan is to maybe do an overnight car camp

1223
01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:56.560
<v Speaker 2>out there if I can make it, and I'll probably

1224
01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:59.960
<v Speaker 2>bring a friend with me, just so that I'm not

1225
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.840
<v Speaker 2>like is easily freaked out and try to work on that.

1226
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:06.039
<v Speaker 2>It feels a little safer when you're camping in your

1227
01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:07.199
<v Speaker 2>car versus a tent.

1228
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, But yeah, I think that's that's a smart idea too, Definitely,

1229
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:14.720
<v Speaker 1>just to have that other person with you. Does your

1230
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:17.600
<v Speaker 1>dog react in any weird ways When you're out there.

1231
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:23.479
<v Speaker 2>With the dog, he'll perk up to sounds and things,

1232
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:25.720
<v Speaker 2>but he didn't out there. He was just kind of

1233
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:30.399
<v Speaker 2>more interested in sniffing around. And there was a moment

1234
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:32.960
<v Speaker 2>where he was kind of looking across the other side

1235
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:36.039
<v Speaker 2>of the bridge towards like the woods that way, uh,

1236
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and he was focused on something for a minute, and

1237
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I kind of watched over there with him, but I

1238
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:44.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't see anything, and I didn't hear anything. But maybe

1239
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:48.279
<v Speaker 2>he was picking up on stuff that I just couldn't

1240
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:53.880
<v Speaker 2>see or hear. But yeah, another time I've been there,

1241
01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I actually heard this sound. It was the daytime, just

1242
01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:01.640
<v Speaker 2>sitting on the bridge from like almost below us. It

1243
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:06.479
<v Speaker 2>kind of sounded like it's a weird thing to hear,

1244
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:09.119
<v Speaker 2>but like I literally pictured it in my head as

1245
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:11.560
<v Speaker 2>I listened to it. It was another metallic sound, but

1246
01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:15.800
<v Speaker 2>it sounded like somebody had put rocks inside of a

1247
01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:20.119
<v Speaker 2>like metal cage kind of thing, like a you know,

1248
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:23.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of a woven mesh metal cage thing, and we're

1249
01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.640
<v Speaker 2>just like shaking it almost like a Morocca kind of

1250
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:30.800
<v Speaker 2>thing where you just heard like the but like rocks

1251
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.159
<v Speaker 2>falling into each other and stuff inside of it is

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<v Speaker 2>what it sounded like to me. I heard it three

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<v Speaker 2>times and I thought that was a peculiar kind of

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<v Speaker 2>out of place sound. But yeah, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>that was. And there weren't other people around us. We

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<v Speaker 2>were just pretty much just us and the birds out there, So.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very interesting. You mentioned you're done in Cottage Grove.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever to Tobe about any places you might

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<v Speaker 1>be able to check out down there in Cottage Grove

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<v Speaker 1>since who's really really familiar with.

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<v Speaker 2>It, Yeah, definitely, and and Jeff too. I'm just like

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<v Speaker 2>my time is like tends to be limited to the

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<v Speaker 2>weekends and Jeff and I have actually gone out into

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<v Speaker 2>the woods and we haven't had too much happen. We

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<v Speaker 2>did kind of a daytime trip out into the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>and we did an evening I think it was last Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of just turned into us like sharing

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<v Speaker 2>our own personal stories and you know, talking about the topics.

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<v Speaker 2>But hopefully, like you know, some we'll get some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>down the line. But I just I'm limited because I

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<v Speaker 2>drive like a Prius and so my car does not

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<v Speaker 2>really handle some of the back roads that well. So

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of either have to like hit your ride

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<v Speaker 2>and line it up with one of them or with Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>or wait till I have kind of a four wheel

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<v Speaker 2>drive option. But yeah, and I plan on making it

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<v Speaker 2>too tobes puting together that the Olympic Strange Days. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've heard about that, but I'm planning

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<v Speaker 2>to attend that as long as I can find either

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<v Speaker 2>hitch a ride or find a rig that I could

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<v Speaker 2>drive because those roads get pretty gnarly. But yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>planning to get out into the woods more and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just dive a little deeper into all of this

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<v Speaker 2>because it's you know, when I have my free time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I want to be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Alicia, thank you for coming on the show and sharing

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<v Speaker 1>what you've experienced over the last few years. Definitely keep

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<v Speaker 1>us in the loop with what goes on in the

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<v Speaker 1>future in this area that you've found. It sounds very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting and there could be some really cool things that

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<v Speaker 1>happen from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely, I will. Hopefully maybe in a year from

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<v Speaker 2>now or something, I'll have plenty of activity or experiences

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<v Speaker 2>to share with you. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>you there, and again, thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Her and I can get on here. We can tell

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<v Speaker 2>our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's

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01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:25.159
<v Speaker 2>too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give

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<v Speaker 2>them the courage to come out. And I feel so

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<v Speaker 2>bad about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares what anybody's thinks.

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<v Speaker 2>I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please

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<v Speaker 2>let them know. If you ever see one of these things,

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<v Speaker 2>you need you tell because if you don't, and shame

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<v Speaker 2>on you, you know, shame on you.