1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Hey, Live Bus is Pet Life Radio. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 2: Let's talk pets. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe 4 00:00:10,599 --> 00:00:14,439 we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we 5 00:00:14,519 --> 00:00:17,760 explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the 6 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:21,480 Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,800 share our commitment to making the world a kinder place 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,559 for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,039 of the Human Animal Connection. 10 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: Hello everyone, Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,799 your host and the executive director of the Human Animal Connection. 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,399 We're a nonprofit organization and we do therapy dog and 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,039 therapy donkey work. And I'm so happy to have Danny 14 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:50,320 Domingus with me here today because she is a registered 15 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:55,359 Dietitian nutritionist and a certified pet nutritionist, which is so important. 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,439 And she is founder of Sunbright Wellness where she helps 17 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:04,519 people their pets achieve whole body wellness through nutrition, lifestyle 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,359 and mindset. And her expertise has been featured all over 19 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:12,879 national media and outlets like Oprah Daily, Martha Stewart, Rover, ABC, 20 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,439 Real Simple, Butter Homes and Gardens Wow. And she's passionate 21 00:01:16,439 --> 00:01:22,120 about translating evidence based health into practical, everyday habits. So Danny, 22 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:23,799 welcome to the show. Good to have you. 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: Thank you's so much for having you know, so excited 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:28,840 to be here and have this conversation because I think 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,400 it's such an important one. 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,519 Speaker 2: It really is. I mean, so many people are like 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,280 really wanting to do better by the animals who share 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,680 their lives, and often they're you know, it's hard to 29 00:01:39,719 --> 00:01:42,680 get the right knowledge. Often their veterinarians, you know, Unfortunately, 30 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:46,159 poor veterinarians, they don't get any nutritional education in school. 31 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:48,640 All they get is, you know, the companies that come 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,280 around and give them samples and tell them what they 33 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:52,159 want them to think. 34 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:52,439 Speaker 1: You know. 35 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: But this is so important because oftentimes behavior that's mystifying 36 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:01,319 people are confused about, and it really relates back to 37 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:03,239 what are you eating? I end up saying to people, 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,159 so what are you feeding? What are you feeding? What 39 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,879 are you feeding? And when we make changes, we see 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,759 wonderful behavior changes. So I am totally on board with 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:12,360 what you're doing. 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I'm on board with what you're 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,159 doing because I you know, it's just so amazing what 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,479 you know, nutrition and also behaviors and like working through 45 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:23,800 that together, like what you're doing on your side, and 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,319 then you know, add that nutrition side. Man, it's like 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,719 a force to be reckoned with it. Really when it 48 00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:30,360 comes to animal worlcare, it. 49 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: Really is, and it really is so many people are 50 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:35,599 really struggling. You know, my my dog is scratching, my cats, 51 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,759 not using the litter box, all these things, and we 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,159 find out when we when we find out what they're eating, 53 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:42,080 I say, you know what, maybe it's time for a 54 00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:45,960 change because sometimes people we they don't know there were 55 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:49,319 you know, the labels are confusing on the pet food things, 56 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,520 and so we're really going to be encouraging people to 57 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:57,360 consider homemade if not one fifty percent, twenty five percent, whatever, 58 00:02:57,479 --> 00:02:59,479 you can manage. This is not a cult. We're not 59 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,240 going to turn people who you know, but we're really 60 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,800 into looking at healthy things. So let's start with the 61 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,280 story of your dog, Foxy and how she first came 62 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:11,800 into your life and how she completely changed the direction 63 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:12,599 of your career. 64 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually I didn't really expect myself to 65 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:18,759 even get into pet nutrition. So actually, a couple of 66 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,680 years ago, I was studying for my exam to become 67 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:25,199 a registered dietitian nutritionist, and you know, there's a lot 68 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,240 of studying that goes in with that. I was like, well, 69 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,280 I'm just kind of looking for, you know, a job 70 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,919 that can help facilitate that studying. I ended up getting 71 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,840 recruited for like working at an animal shelter, and I 72 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,039 was like, well, well that's great, Like I can help 73 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,159 animals and then also just study for my exam and 74 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,680 do all of that. So while I was working at 75 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,719 the animal shelter, I was also actually fostering just these 76 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:50,280 medically challenged cases. And since I didn't have any other 77 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:52,680 pets in our home, I really felt like I had 78 00:03:52,719 --> 00:03:55,960 the opportunity to just like create this space where these 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,639 animals could come in and just heal from whatever they 80 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:02,520 had going on in their situation. And like, for example, 81 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,439 I ended up having a dog in my home for 82 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,199 one hundred and fifty days and it was on even 83 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,960 nine to eleven pills a day for medic cool stuff 84 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,919 it was going through. So I was just very thankful 85 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,120 to be able to be able to provide that home 86 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:18,560 for him so that he could just then get adopted 87 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,800 and have you know, an awesome life wherever he went. 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,000 And so kind of in my role at the animal shelter. 89 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,680 I ended up transitioning to working more with rural animal 90 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,319 shelters and helping decrease euthanasia rates. And so in part 91 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,560 of that process, I would go down to like border 92 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,319 towns and then really just either try to help transport 93 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,079 animals to different animal shelters that really just had a 94 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:45,439 better outcome of being adopted, or just you know, providing 95 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,560 resources that I could to help with that process of 96 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,639 decreasing those rates. And one little dog that came well, 97 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:54,680 I guess he's not little anymore, but one dog that 98 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:58,199 came through one of the border town shelters was this 99 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,279 dog named Foxy. So I ended up transferring her to 100 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:04,720 another animal shelter, and we quickly found out that she 101 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,720 had a medical issue that and I'm not sure how 102 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,240 much you know about rural animal shelters, but there's not 103 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,040 many veterinarians on staff, or you don't have a lot 104 00:05:13,079 --> 00:05:16,279 of resources. So when a medical issue that big kind 105 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:21,160 of princess itself, it's usually euthanasia or like them paying 106 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:25,240 out of pocket to help this animal. So for Foxy, 107 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,439 there was this wonderful volunteer that was at the shelter 108 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:31,800 that ended up driving her three hours commute to a 109 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,079 veterinarian and found out she had this medical issue that 110 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:37,560 was not cancerous, but they ended up treating it with 111 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,160 six rounds of chemotherapy. So after those six rounds of 112 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:44,600 chemo therapy, they asked if I could actually foster her, 113 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,399 And since I didn't have any dogs at the time, 114 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:48,439 I was like, well, yeah, sure, she's such a cute 115 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,160 talk like yeah, I'll help her with this process of 116 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,920 just providing a space outside of allowed shelter to just 117 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,639 really yeal and recover. And she came into our home 118 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,600 and one day she was just laying on the on 119 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:02,360 the ground and she just didn't look well, like she 120 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:03,879 had lost a lot of weight, she had lost a 121 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:06,800 lot of fur. She looked like seriously that she was 122 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,839 like ten years old, when really she was maybe a 123 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,680 year old. W I was just petting her on the 124 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,720 ground and I was like, man, you know, as you know, 125 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,279 becoming a human dietitian, I was like, I really do 126 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,079 believe in the healing power of food, Like maybe what 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,879 foods can I help with like Foxy and like helping 128 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,560 her heal on that process. And that was my light 129 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,639 bulb moment for me that I was like, wait a minute, 130 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,279 there is a whole nother round that for pet nutrition 131 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,079 that I don't even know about. And then when I 132 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,360 ended up adopting her, you know, and having to go 133 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:37,040 to the pet store myself and like pick foods, I 134 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,319 just realized how little I knew about pet food in general. 135 00:06:40,439 --> 00:06:42,519 And that kind of started me on this trajectory of 136 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,399 becoming a certified pet nutritionist so that I could become 137 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,839 knowledgeable myself, but then now also helping other people. 138 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wonderful. So what did you begin with Foxy? 139 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,120 How did you begin the journey of transitioning into healthy 140 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,759 foods and what happened when you did? 141 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, so essentially did choose to adopt her because she 142 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,839 is my I actually took a lot of pride and 143 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,000 like as a foster that I'm like, I'm never gonna 144 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,839 foster fail because I want to have this home open 145 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,399 for all of these medically you know, challenged situations. But 146 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,360 she was just my souldogs. So we ended up adopting her, 147 00:07:15,439 --> 00:07:18,120 and and honestly, I thought I would like go into 148 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,560 the pet food dial because you know, I essentially at 149 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,600 that time, had you know, four years of nutrition education, 150 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,920 my bachelor's two years in my master's degree, did an 151 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,600 entire year of internship, so you know, you're looking at 152 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,639 seven years of nutritional education that I'd be like, I'm 153 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:34,639 going to be in and out five minutes. I'm gonna 154 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:37,160 look at them pet fit bobal, I will take this 155 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,160 away and we'll be it'll be good to go, will 156 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,560 be so just fantastic, and I'll feel really good about 157 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,160 the food I'm feeding her, because they gave me kibble 158 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:48,639 at that time to supplement until I ended up adopting her. Yeah, 159 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:51,360 thirty minutes later and still standing in that pet food 160 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,199 aal being like right happening. I was so confused. I 161 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:57,560 didn't know at that time that they didn't include like 162 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,000 carbohydrate numbers and that if you really wanted the accurate number, 163 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,360 you'd have to essentially call the company, get a certain number, 164 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:08,000 do a whole calculation to just find out how much 165 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,560 carbs are in this in this cable. And that just 166 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,639 really honestly irritated me because I'm like, yes, I have 167 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,240 all of this nutrition education and I can't even read 168 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,480 a pet food label. How are other people going about this? 169 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,399 And I just I was very frustrated at that moment. 170 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, well, that's a great story. Seven years of 171 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,680 nutritional training and you can't get through a label and 172 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,519 no one else can either, you know, and the labels 173 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,840 are are you know, I don't, well, maybe deliberately deceptive, 174 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:40,679 I'm going to say it, because you know, they keep 175 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,159 more information from us than they give us on those labels, 176 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,799 and you'd have to be, you know, work for the 177 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:49,279 company to really know what's really going on with those labels. 178 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,879 So this is one of the reasons why I really 179 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,200 encourage people to consider making some homemade foods. There's many 180 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,000 foods that we humans eat that are really good for 181 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,759 the animals who sure lives, and we can make a 182 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:04,000 single meal that we can enjoy and the animal can 183 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,000 enjoy too. So it doesn't have to be like some 184 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,720 like I am like clueless in the kitchen. But I 185 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,879 can make home mid kibble, you know, I can make 186 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,120 I can boil up some ground b or some ground turkey, 187 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:16,200 and you know these different things. I got the other 188 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:18,480 day hand little craving for beats, you know, beats in 189 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,279 the cooked beats, and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna 190 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:25,120 have one, and they're gonna have one, and they loved it. 191 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,639 It's just like, you know, not gonna give it to 192 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,120 them every day. I don't have it every day, but 193 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,960 whatever you've got around. I mean, with the exception of 194 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,360 a very short list like onions and caffeine and alcohol, 195 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:37,080 very it's really a small list of things that they 196 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,840 can't have macadamia that smedala whatever. But yeah, so this 197 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,320 is wonderful. So tell us the story about how you 198 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:49,000 began to pay attention to the connection between digestion, skin conditions, 199 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,960 the energy levels. What did you begin to notice when 200 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,559 you started doing work with animals? 201 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is like such a And maybe it was 202 00:09:57,159 --> 00:09:59,200 just because I didn't know this much because I didn't 203 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,159 really like own my my own personal dog. It was 204 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:03,240 always like my parents' dogs, right, And I was like, oh, 205 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,799 you know, you take care of them. And now I'm 206 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,200 like very cognitive of like Foxy and like really paying 207 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,879 attention to her symptoms. And then even just like how 208 00:10:12,919 --> 00:10:16,039 the diet changes, so like, and I guess I'll kind 209 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:18,480 of finish my story is that even you know, being 210 00:10:18,519 --> 00:10:21,600 at that pet food you know Aisle, right, I did 211 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,840 into choosing one, and then once I learned more, I 212 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,799 decided to home cook for my pet and I make 213 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,840 sure it's nutritionally balanced, that it's f cokerangulated, all of 214 00:10:29,879 --> 00:10:32,519 those types of things. And you know, I don't spend 215 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,919 probably more than like one to two hours in an 216 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,240 a ten day period prepping her food. So I think 217 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,759 that can also be a barrier for you know, individuals 218 00:10:40,759 --> 00:10:42,200 that they're like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to 219 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,600 be in the kitchen for five hours cooking for my pet, 220 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:46,320 and that's not always necessarily the case. 221 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: We definitely recommend, you know, batch cooking, so you can 222 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,480 make food for the week, in some cases, food for 223 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:54,360 the month, depending upon what you're making. You can freeze things, 224 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:58,559 you can refrigerate things, and it's just as convenient when 225 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,000 you're doing that, when you're thinking ahead that way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. 226 00:11:02,039 --> 00:11:04,159 Speaker 3: And so I even noticed when I did end up 227 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,200 transitioning Foxy over to home cook food, that her fur 228 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,759 grew back so much, which I know those part of 229 00:11:10,799 --> 00:11:13,440 the chemo, but like she hardly had any hair on 230 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,320 her tail, and now like her longest strands like four inches, 231 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:20,039 Like she has a really like like fluffy tail, and 232 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,639 her like fur was so soft, and like the energy 233 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,879 that came from switching that food and being really cognitive 234 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,000 of what I'm feeding her, she was like just like 235 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:32,360 a different type of puppy after like you know, transitioning. 236 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:37,159 So when I'm specifically working with pet parents now with 237 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:39,440 their pet and figuring now, I actually really take a 238 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,200 holistic approach. And this is really the same that I 239 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,399 do for my human clients. Is that you know, when 240 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,480 there's typically a symptom that's being presented, like let's just 241 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,200 say an ear infection or you know, diarrhea or whatever 242 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:54,200 that is, it's usually linked to something. So it's kind 243 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,559 of like instead of just treating that symptom of like, okay, 244 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,279 chronic ear infection, put eardrops in it, Okay, you're good 245 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,240 to go, I really look at the whole picture and say, like, well, 246 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,919 what is the root cause that is even causing that 247 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:07,879 symptom in the first place, And then if we can 248 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,159 use food to help balance out whatever organ is inbalanced, 249 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,240 then theoretically the symptoms should go away on its own 250 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,960 because you're fixing that root problem. It's kind of like 251 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,120 a weed, right, if you like just pull it up 252 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:21,200 at the ground, you know, just like at ground level 253 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:23,200 or cut it off, it's going to keep growing back 254 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:26,240 because the root has not been taken out in that process. 255 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so what what's focks to eating? 256 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: Now? 257 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 2: What's take us through a week of feeding foxy? 258 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: Wow? 259 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: So I'm very much like cognitive making tuggers, and it's protein, 260 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,000 you know enough, you know, grains and vegetables, and I 261 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,440 kind of rotate based off of like what her like her, 262 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,159 So I do a lot of also Chinese medicine and 263 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,759 what I do so I really tailor it too, Like 264 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:53,919 if she is you know, kind of maybe more internally hot, 265 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,960 then I'll do a lot of more like foods that 266 00:12:56,039 --> 00:12:58,759 would help kind of cool that situation down. So I 267 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,039 kind of change it based off of like what is 268 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,320 going on with her body at that time. But I 269 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,679 mean typically you're looking at well and also a challenge 270 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,200 that she is sensitive to bold beef and chicken. So 271 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,159 I've had kind to be creative, you know, doing like pork, 272 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,960 I'll do like some type of grain depending on what 273 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,480 that looks like, whether that's right now. I've been really 274 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:21,120 into like just using quenoa and then like a lot 275 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,080 of cucumber and oh goodness, what else I put broccoli 276 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,600 in it as well, and then making kale. So I 277 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,600 kind of just like keep mixing it up each time 278 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,519 that I do. But then I have like a whole 279 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,799 vitamin mixture that you know, I do before like with cooking, 280 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:37,639 and then also after to make sure it's nutritionally balanced. 281 00:13:38,279 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's excellent. 282 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:39,279 Speaker 5: Yeah. 283 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have been there's been 284 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,200 a kind of a marketing campaign that will oh, no 285 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,919 grain and you know, this is very unhealthy, these these 286 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,080 no grain diets. This is a marketing hype. That's it's 287 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,720 awful because and what we've been seeing is is higher 288 00:13:54,759 --> 00:13:57,279 cases of cardiac problems and dogs that we weren't seeing 289 00:13:57,279 --> 00:14:00,320 before than no grain trend. So it's really sportant for 290 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,440 people to understand that healthy grains and moderation. Everything in moderation, 291 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,759 but the healthy grains are an important aspect of a 292 00:14:06,799 --> 00:14:09,080 dog's diet. And I don't know about you, but I 293 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,759 recommend people cook the vegetables not raw. I find that 294 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:16,919 dogs they can't really break down the like a raw, 295 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,000 like a braw piece of broccoli, So go ahead and 296 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:22,000 cook it. Doesn't that be cooked to oblivion, or you 297 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,080 could also pureate it. But the vegetables are very good, 298 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,840 but they need to be cooked. They need to not 299 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:29,320 be in the raw state. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. 300 00:14:29,399 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely one of those like it is a 301 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,080 little bit harder in their digestion. And even with that 302 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,120 whole like grain situation that it's like, you know, it's 303 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:39,279 like a fad diet in the in the pet world, 304 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,919 which is really unfortunate because I think that the marketing 305 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:45,600 on all of these foods are very much like taking 306 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,200 prey to just people who just didn't know. And there's 307 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,960 a lot of time you now, even when I look 308 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,519 back on like just what I didn't know about pet nutrition, 309 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:54,720 it's like giving myself that grace right of like, well 310 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:57,919 I just didn't know to kind of look back on 311 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,879 how some of these marketing and actually take advantage of that. 312 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,960 And then really it's at the detriment of the pet 313 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,240 right they're the ones stuff grain in this, which is 314 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,000 just really irritating. 315 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again those labels, I'm being able to say 316 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:15,039 blueberries and that maybe there's one blueberry and a fifty 317 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:18,080 pounds bag, you know, and people are, oh great, I'm 318 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,240 giving blueberries, you know. But let's talk for a minute 319 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,440 about the horrible kibble because I'm always on a campaign. Now, 320 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,759 if you're not ready, to eliminate it a one hundred percent. 321 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,639 You can eliminate it somewhat, or you know, as much 322 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:32,600 as you can manage, you can make your own of course. 323 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:35,799 But let's talk about kibble. What are your thoughts about kibble? 324 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,639 Speaker 3: Oh, so that's a controversial question. 325 00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:40,799 Speaker 4: You know. 326 00:15:41,039 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: I think there are kibbles that are better than others. 327 00:15:43,519 --> 00:15:46,200 I will say that like any human diet as well. Right, 328 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,639 there's I think when we classify fast food, I think 329 00:15:49,679 --> 00:15:51,919 there's fast food that you know, I would probably choose 330 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,759 one over the other. Kind of the same thing in 331 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:57,240 this pet industry. When I started like learning more about 332 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:59,639 the pet nutrition labels and all of that type of stuff, 333 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:03,879 I was really surprised that a lot of like you know, 334 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,039 and actually this is something I do educate a lot 335 00:16:06,039 --> 00:16:08,039 of my clients on, is that they're like, well, I've 336 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:11,159 been feeding the same bag of kibble this entire time, 337 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:13,759 and then when we go and then they started having 338 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:16,600 a reaction like skin or you know, diarrhea or whatever 339 00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:18,759 that looks like. But when we start looking at the 340 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:21,559 ingredient list and it just says meat meal, they don't. 341 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,879 But they can like advertise all they want that it's 342 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:26,440 going to be chicken or beef. But because they don't 343 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,440 classify on the ingredient list what type of protein that is. 344 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,600 One batch may be chicken, one batch may be beef, 345 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:34,960 the next one may be fish. It's kind of whatever 346 00:16:35,039 --> 00:16:37,759 it is. They don't have to possify what meat that is. 347 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:40,080 And I think that's, you know, one of those things 348 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,000 that you know, as a pet parent, you're like, well, 349 00:16:43,039 --> 00:16:45,159 I didn't do anything wrong because I'm feeding the same 350 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:47,600 thing over and over. But that's probably one of those 351 00:16:47,639 --> 00:16:50,080 diets or those kibbles that i'd be like, maybe stick 352 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,840 away from because they don't tell you what's actually in 353 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,240 the food, but they're labeling it as chicken, which that 354 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:57,440 is just not fair. 355 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very small percentage of something like twenty percent, 356 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,000 and they're allowed to write the word chicken on it, 357 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:05,960 But what about the other eighty percent of ingredients that 358 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,960 are in that kibble? And you know, I just want 359 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,559 to remind people that in order to make kibble because 360 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:12,400 so many well, first of all, they have a lot 361 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,599 of toxic ingredients in it, so they have to heat 362 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,240 it to six hundred degrees over a long period of time. Now, 363 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,000 there's nothing alive at the end of that kibble making process, 364 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,839 so it's nutritionally dead. You know, it may have started 365 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:28,319 out of having a few ingredients that were protein at 366 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:31,680 some point. But you know, this is the problem with 367 00:17:31,799 --> 00:17:34,839 kibbl is that people think that it cleans their teeth, 368 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,559 which is not true. Yeah, and you know, I mean 369 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:42,920 truth with buy I buy a very expensive brand of kibble. 370 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,799 It's ninety dollars a bag, but they're only getting a 371 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:49,920 tablespoon of kibble and it's only for psychological purposes there. 372 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,279 I have no illusions that there's any nutrition in that kibble, 373 00:17:53,559 --> 00:17:55,559 but it's just something that you know, they like to 374 00:17:55,599 --> 00:17:58,559 crunch on something. So but you know, I think so 375 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:59,839 in other words, it doesn't have to be one hundred 376 00:17:59,839 --> 00:18:03,400 percent and you can work on reducing kibble because you know, 377 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,920 they've been I don't know if you followed the pet industry, 378 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,319 the recalls that have been going on. I mean, it's 379 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,839 just extraordinary. What the public does not hear. It doesn't 380 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,039 make the news, but you know, literally every day things 381 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:18,480 are being recalled, voluntarily recalled, even you know, I mean, 382 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,519 it's horrific what's going on. I mean, roadkill. And one 383 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:25,640 of the reason is why they know that they've found phenobarbital, 384 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,400 which is the drug use in euthanasia, is being found 385 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,799 in pet food. So, you know, animals that have been 386 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,680 killed in not so great shelter situations and ending up 387 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,039 in pet food, and just you know, it's really really 388 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:41,119 horrific what's going on on the commercial pet side. And 389 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:43,640 so I don't want to dwell too much on the 390 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,880 horror of it, but let's we're gonna take a little 391 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:47,200 break when we come back and want to hear a 392 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,440 story about how nutrition changed the lives of the pets 393 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,640 that you've been working with. Yeah, absolutely, well back in 394 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,240 just a moment. 395 00:18:55,279 --> 00:19:04,599 Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere, take a bite out of your competition. 396 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,799 Advertise your business with an ad in Petlife radio podcasts 397 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:12,119 and radio shows. 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Now back to the. 411 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:17,799 Speaker 5: Show, Let's Talk pets on Petlife Radio dot com. 412 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,759 Speaker 2: Welcome back to The Human Animal Connection, where I'm speaking 413 00:20:20,759 --> 00:20:24,400 with Danny Dimingz and she is a certified pet nutritionist, 414 00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:27,200 and I want to hear some stories about how nutrition 415 00:20:27,279 --> 00:20:29,799 has really turned the lives around for the people and 416 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:31,480 the animals who share their lives with them. 417 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my gosh, so many stories. And this is 418 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,359 like such a passion I have, you know, And why 419 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,440 I love what I do is that I get to 420 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,000 see these amazing transformations that maybe just like the you know, 421 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,839 just not knowing right and then putting on a path 422 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,880 that you feel just better about. And so the first 423 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,960 story I have is actually of a client came to 424 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,640 me with their pet, specifically a dog, and the situation 425 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,519 was essentially that they thought the adoption was coming from 426 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,079 from a more reputable source, and it ended up not 427 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,640 being as clean as they had been. The whole adoption 428 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,559 process was a little bit more muddy than she expected. 429 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,400 So this dog ended up coming to her and for 430 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,440 two years she dealt with diarrhea with this with this 431 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,480 little puppy, so its entire life was dealing with diarrhea. 432 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,759 So she comes to me and was like, hey, this 433 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:23,920 is what's going on. And so we ended up looking 434 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,519 at like all of the different elements and a holistic 435 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:28,759 approach and kind of looking at the food and the 436 00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:32,119 kibble that she was feeding, and so I really much 437 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,480 I pretty much advise. I'm like, well, let's try like 438 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,559 home cooked food to just see if we can get 439 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:38,400 some of that diarrhea and get a little bit more 440 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,119 fiber into their just to kind of help the situation. 441 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,559 And so since this, you know, puppy has really been 442 00:21:44,599 --> 00:21:47,240 dealing with this for two years, Like, I didn't really 443 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:50,559 expect it to be a fast turnaround. Typically that usually if 444 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,599 you've been dealing with something that long, it takes the 445 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,400 system a little bit of time to kind of come 446 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,160 on board with it. So after about two months after feeding, 447 00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:01,599 you know, just home cooked meal, specific designed for this dog. 448 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,480 That the diary has now officially gone away, so that 449 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:08,319 has been like, Yeah, and even when I think about 450 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,480 it from like a whole perspective of like, man, the 451 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:14,079 disruption of the pet owner's life and you know that family, 452 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,039 like how much she had to deal with and it 453 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,359 usually happened at night, so she's getting up multiple times 454 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,640 per you know, in the middle of the night to 455 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,279 clean up you know, everything off of the carpet and 456 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:26,599 all of that. And I think they had white carpets, 457 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,720 so that was a whole nothere. And then to finally now, yes, 458 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,720 you know, the home cooking is a little bit more 459 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:36,839 of a time consuming situation. But when I think about 460 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:39,759 how much effort she went into, you know, financially of 461 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,839 going to veterinarians, doing all this blood work, going to 462 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,400 all of these specialists and not really having an answer 463 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,640 to now switching the food to Yeah, it's like how 464 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,000 much money is she staying in the long run versus 465 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,440 like spending maybe a little bit more time prepping the food. 466 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a beautiful story, wonderful, so exciting, it's so 467 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,759 exciting the possibilities. You know, this much that we can do, 468 00:23:01,799 --> 00:23:03,920 we can't fix everything, of course with food, but we 469 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,880 can fix a lot. Yeah, So tell us a little 470 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,839 bit about how how Foxy's journey has been. So you've 471 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,640 been on this on this homemade journey with Foxy. So 472 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,559 how many years has Foxy been on homemade? 473 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,799 Speaker 3: So I guess it's been about two years now that 474 00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:22,960 I've really tailored the diet to her. And and I 475 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,039 think this is actually I was even just having a 476 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:28,599 consultation with a cat parent just actually last weekend, and 477 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,279 we were essentially talking about how, you know, when we 478 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,759 do end up trying to transition to like home cook 479 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:37,200 or something, it's like giving yourself grace in that moment. 480 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,559 I think even for me as a pet owner of 481 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:41,920 not you know, being ignorant to like not knowing too 482 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,640 much about like the pet industry nutrition that like when 483 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,839 I first, you know, started feeding Foxy kibble until I 484 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,720 learned more that I actually, because of the label being 485 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,839 as confusing as it was, that I was unintentionally underfeeding 486 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,000 her a cup or day of kibble according to you 487 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,599 like what she actually needed in calories when I started 488 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,440 calculating it out. And I think that's one of those 489 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,640 other things that a lot of people don't realize that. 490 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:09,880 On the back of the label, it's like here's a 491 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:12,680 you know, the starting amount of how much calories you 492 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,359 should have, but it doesn't take into account age breed, 493 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,440 like are they spay or neutered, or their activity level. 494 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,079 And so based off of what I was feeding for Foxy, 495 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,160 I was like, oh my gosh, I'm starving my dog 496 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,920 and I didn't even know it. And this is what's 497 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,000 actually the same thing that happened with this cat parent 498 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,119 after we kind of looked at how many calories this 499 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,440 cat needed, that they just were unintentionally underfeeding their cat 500 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,880 and wondering why I was so hungry. And so I 501 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,279 think through that process of not only learning like the 502 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:45,279 calorie aspect of it and even you know that, that 503 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:49,119 gives me more knowledge to then feed Foxy appropriately. And 504 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,279 so once I started feeding her to write amount of 505 00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:54,079 food and even the foods that really served her, it's 506 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,880 like she has energy for days. So it's one of 507 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,200 those things that man, their personality can change. And I 508 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,559 mean I even think about it from a human perspective 509 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,200 that it's like, if you have like a chronic gut ache, 510 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,480 you're not really gonna feel well and you might be 511 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:12,200 more irritable or have a behavior that is not necessarily 512 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,000 your true personality just because you aren't feeling well. So 513 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:18,720 it's kind of the same with pets and like even behaviors, Right, 514 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:20,720 we've got to take that into account that if a 515 00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:25,079 behavior is showing up, it might be nutritionally related because 516 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,279 like their gut hurts or they just can't communicate what 517 00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:30,599 that is. So if really we can maybe put those 518 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:32,799 two together and be like, hey, maybe this behavior is 519 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,400 related to this fix that root cause that they might 520 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,640 be a different personality once they start feeling better. 521 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just amazing to see what can happen when 522 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,519 the body comes back into balance, that other things can 523 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,720 begin to heal, their own natural healing system can kick in. 524 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:51,519 You know, it's it's just an extraordinary journey. And you know, 525 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:54,119 I want to just remind people that if you're gonna 526 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,000 you're thinking about this journey, it doesn't have to be 527 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:59,079 It shouldn't be one hundred percent overnight. We're talking about 528 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:02,000 a gradual process. You can ease into it. You know, 529 00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:04,680 just maybe twenty percent of home cooked or twenty five 530 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,480 percent to begin for the first week and see how 531 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,839 the animal's doing. And gradually increase to a level that's 532 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,880 good for you. And again, you know, Danny and I 533 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,799 both agree that doesn't have to be one hundred percent. 534 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:18,599 You do the best that you can with the resources 535 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,240 that you have. And sometimes I open a can, but 536 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,079 it's not the can that you're going to see on 537 00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:25,359 the shelf. You know, I am willing to pay a 538 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,680 premium price and it's going to be maybe a tablespoonful 539 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,400 out of that can, and the rest is going to 540 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,440 be that homemade meat that I've made or some other elements. 541 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,559 And I just got a bread machine and they love 542 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:40,960 the crust. You know, It's just it's just they like 543 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,960 to sit there and watch me eating. You can leave 544 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,640 it me a piece? Is that piece for me? You're 545 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,079 not gonna eat that last piece, are you? 546 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 3: They almost become like bougie once you give them like 547 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,079 this home cooks me all, they're like kind of stick 548 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:53,440 their nose about anything else. 549 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 2: You're like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. 550 00:26:57,319 --> 00:26:57,599 Speaker 1: Great. 551 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 2: So for people who are looking to get star, what 552 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,279 are some simple tips to ease into homemade that you 553 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:04,160 would like to offer? 554 00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you really like hit it on the 555 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,200 head right there, essentially of like you know, it's not 556 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,400 an all or non situation. If you want to go 557 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:14,359 all home cook, that's great, and I think there's benefits 558 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,119 to that, but like there's also great you know, meeting 559 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,400 you where you're at, and there are some kibbles that I, 560 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,359 like I said, would recommend more than others. And so 561 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,039 it's just it's kind of like even in my human 562 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,920 clients that sometimes it's a matter of like if we 563 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:30,799 even take one fast food meal and put that into 564 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,119 a home cooked meal, you're doing one percent better than 565 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,480 you were before. Or even like hey, maybe instead of 566 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:38,200 those fries, get aside a side salad or a broccoli. 567 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,079 It's like these small changes can really change the trajectory 568 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,559 over a long period of time of what you're actually 569 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240 helping them with their health and wellness, and they're really 570 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,519 overall longevity of life, and because they don't live as 571 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:51,119 long as us, we want them to live as long 572 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,799 as possible. So I guess it's just really in that 573 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,599 moment of like giving yourself grace as you're learning these things, 574 00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,160 and also just like finding out what they like as well. 575 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,839 I think a lot of the time, you know, like 576 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,680 I feed I think I actually fed Foxy beats. This 577 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,079 was a while back, and I was kind of like, 578 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,839 is she gonna eat it or not? And she ate it? 579 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,039 But then I give her like something else and she 580 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,720 like spit that out. So I think in those moments 581 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:17,039 that it's like give that time and space to that 582 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,599 moment and then like kind of meet yourself whether you're 583 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,440 at either financially or even just time energy, right of 584 00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:26,319 like how much time can I invest into home cooking 585 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,720 or what that even looks like, and just yeah, provide 586 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,960 that extra nutrition for them. 587 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, wonderful, wonderful. Well, it's such an exciting world, you know. 588 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,039 I remember I did I have one podcast I interviewed 589 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:43,240 a veterinarian. He was a holistic veterinarian in the fifties, 590 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:46,440 and so he was way ahead of his time, and 591 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:50,640 he recognized that post surgical that the animals would get 592 00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:54,680 much better faster if he gave them real, homemade human food, 593 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,160 and this began him on his journey. And another veterinarian 594 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,799 I talked to who was in medical school in the seventies, 595 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,359 and he said, when he was in medical school in 596 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:07,319 the seventies, one in what was it now, it was 597 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,200 like one in a hundred dogs would get cancer. And 598 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,559 he was always older age dogs with never younger dogs. 599 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,200 And now it's like one in four. I mean, it's 600 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,839 like it's so insane the difference. And I remember, I 601 00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:24,079 think was Alexandra Horowitz talked about so many dogs actually 602 00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,680 live in the wild around the world, and you know, 603 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,279 they're getting scraps and eating dead things and like every 604 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,519 you know, eating this, God knows what they're eating, right, 605 00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:33,599 and they live longer than the dogs that are on 606 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,319 commercial pet food. And they've been some studies with the 607 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,559 wild dogs. They would offer them kibble. These are dogs 608 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,880 that are on the street fighting for their food every day. 609 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,200 Offer them kibble, and most of them turned it down. 610 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,599 The lower brands, you know, they're really the grocery store brands, 611 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,799 those great big bags. 612 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 5: You know. 613 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: So everybody, you know, of course, do the best that 614 00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:59,319 you can. You know, we recognize that everybody has different considerations. 615 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,160 But if you can just you know, every once so while, 616 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,359 if you're making a hamburg or make one for your dog. 617 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,319 Speaker 3: On and even just looking back on the ingred An 618 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,960 list that it's like, if your kibble does say meat meal, 619 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:14,759 then maybe consider switching to one that at least states 620 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,200 the protein so you're a little bit closer to like, hey, 621 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,640 I know there's actually chicken in it. And then because 622 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,640 marketing is very deceiving for pet food and the pet 623 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440 food industry is that they can also put like chicken 624 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,160 flavor and not have any chicken in the actual product. 625 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:33,720 So it's just very aware of what that is. And 626 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,759 I actually teach a lot even with my pet clients now, 627 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,839 of like going through the label and being like, well, hey, 628 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,480 maybe you should even if it does say chicken, there's 629 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:44,319 like chicken meal or chicken buy product, and all of 630 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,079 those are actually different parts of the animal. And so 631 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:50,200 it's really being aware of like, well, what is actually 632 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,759 being put into this kibble, and that I feel good 633 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,759 at all feeding to my pet? 634 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Well how can people get a hold 635 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,599 of you? Do you do consultations online? You all over 636 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:02,799 the world or how do you work? Yeah? 637 00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:05,519 Speaker 3: So if you so, Yes, I do consultations and all 638 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:07,440 of those are virtuals so that I can work with 639 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,400 as many people as possible. So if you go to 640 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,759 www dot Sunbright Wellness dot com, you can like sign 641 00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,240 up for any service there that I do, whether it's 642 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,839 like calorie count and just figuring out how much calories 643 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,160 your pet needs all the way to if you want 644 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,119 a home cook, then I make sure that's nutritional any 645 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,160 balanced for your pet, and really finding foods that will 646 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,039 help support their nutrition or whatever is going on in 647 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,400 their health situation. And even if it's like reviewing your 648 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,000 current like kibble and seeing if that's actually going to 649 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,279 be appropriate at that time, or maybe even finding a 650 00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,640 kibble more appropriate for what's going on with the situation. 651 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:44,880 So I kind of do a lot of different things, 652 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,759 but I am but eventually I'm actually trying to put 653 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,119 both humans and pet nutrition together and as like a 654 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,559 program itself, so that it's like, hey, your pet can 655 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,559 be your accountability partner for not only if you're going 656 00:31:56,599 --> 00:31:58,400 to make broccoli for yourself, might as well make some 657 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,519 broccoli for your doggar you know, your cat or whatever 658 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:04,359 that is. And kind of writing that together and that 659 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,200 incentives fantastic. 660 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,039 Speaker 2: Well, Danny's been delightful to have you on this show. 661 00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:11,240 Thank you for the good work you're doing for people 662 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,160 and the animals who share their lives. 663 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for all the work you're doing, and 664 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,960 thank you so much for having me on the podcast 665 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Out of Blas. 666 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: Thank you all right, bye. So now we'll see you 667 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,880 in the next episode. 668 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to The Human Animal Connection Show. 669 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,640 Please visit our website, The Humananimalconnection dot org. 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