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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Studio A here at Proven Winners

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<v Speaker 1>Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>radio and YouTube show with Stacey Hervella, me, Rick Weist,

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<v Speaker 1>and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well Stacey. Around

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<v Speaker 1>here in the North, it's felt like Groundhog Day every

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<v Speaker 1>day for the last two months. Snow, snow, snow, and

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<v Speaker 1>it makes you wonder when spring is going to arrive.

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<v Speaker 1>I love following the adventure in Danville, Vermont, where they

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<v Speaker 1>put a palette out on the ice on the lake.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Joe's Pond. They have an annual ice out.

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<v Speaker 1>It has bricks on it. It's wired with a weather

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<v Speaker 1>proof clock. And when that palette and bricks finally break

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<v Speaker 1>through and sink to the bottom, you know it's spring.

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<v Speaker 1>And they have people who pay a dollar each for

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<v Speaker 1>a ticket. It's a big deal. But when that brick

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<v Speaker 1>goes through the ice, you know at spring.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that, that's a real symbol. We've had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of false spring here exactly in West Michigan. Not

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<v Speaker 3>sure about the rest of our listeners. If I know,

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<v Speaker 3>we have a lot of people in warm climates, so

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<v Speaker 3>you're probably like, yeah, it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It has been less.

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<v Speaker 3>Than great here in Michigan, and really no signs of

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<v Speaker 3>it improving in the near forecast, at least that I've seen, And.

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<v Speaker 1>So you start to question yourself when does spring start.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're on Joe's pond, they know definitively when spring starts.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the North and Midwest, we are anxious for spring,

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<v Speaker 1>and most people will do a few things as spring starts.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll fertilize their lawn and apply an annual crab grass control.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll spray weeds, and in many cases they're winter annual

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<v Speaker 1>weeds like hen bit or chick weed or my good

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<v Speaker 1>friend Harry bittercress, who are going to die anyhow, That's

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<v Speaker 1>always driven me crazy in the garden center industry, people

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<v Speaker 1>need to understand the difference between annual and perennial weeds.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people will have a massive pile of mulch dumped

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<v Speaker 1>on their driveway and then in May they'll head to

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<v Speaker 1>the garden center and try and get it all done

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<v Speaker 1>at once. That's what I see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's pretty accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like maybe two weeks ago it was somewhat

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<v Speaker 3>nice on the weekend. I'm speaking relatively like it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>like oh one of those days you just gotta get outside.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. I saw the.

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<v Speaker 3>People out there pulling up their leaves and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>putting around here and there because it was a bit sunny.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if most people are as organized as

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<v Speaker 3>you make them out to be in that and that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that a lot of times what happens is

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<v Speaker 3>people is people think, Okay, it's nice, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>go outside do some ard work. And you know, they again,

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<v Speaker 3>they start putting around, they get a rake, they pull

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<v Speaker 3>some leaves out of the beds. You know, they go should.

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<v Speaker 2>I cut this? Should I not?

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<v Speaker 3>But then you know, maybe they listen to us, or

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<v Speaker 3>they read an article or you know, see something on

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<v Speaker 3>social media and they're like, oh, shoot, I should have

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<v Speaker 3>been doing X, Y and Z right, and then it's all,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, all hands on deck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's true. And coming up in segment four it

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk to Mike Connor, he's a pollination and be expert.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about cleaning up the leaves, clean up in

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<v Speaker 1>spring effect on native bees. That's coming up in segment four.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know your garden in spring, it's an outdoor

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<v Speaker 1>living room. And I guess my point what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make, and I see people do this is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>don't try and get it all done at once. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>spring is a little over ninety days long, plus garden

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<v Speaker 1>centers greenhouses have gotten very good at the shoulder seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we head well into June, July, into the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>You have plenty of time, so peace yourself. Spring is

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<v Speaker 1>not a weekend. This week's limb a rick. There once

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<v Speaker 1>was a man from ocean whose plant choices weren't well chosen.

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<v Speaker 1>The plants he had grown were outside of his own,

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<v Speaker 1>and now his camellias are frozen. He learned winter over

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<v Speaker 1>exposes and splits your left out new hoses. The azaleas

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<v Speaker 1>are toast his flowers compost. Yes, life ain't a bed

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<v Speaker 1>of roses. But let's get out there in the yard

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<v Speaker 1>and let's kick off spring. So stacy, A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people do feeding. I want to say real shortly. I

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<v Speaker 1>like to feed my shrubs, perennials and plants in spring.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to use a slow release organic fertilizer. But

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people feed their lawns. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do that, use a good quality slow release

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<v Speaker 1>because that grass is going to grow like nuts anyhow.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you just jump you dump a quick release

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<v Speaker 1>nitrogen fertilizer on the lawn, it's gonna cause it to

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<v Speaker 1>grow even faster. And I just think that feeding a

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<v Speaker 1>lawn and fall is more important than feeding it in.

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<v Speaker 3>S I couldn't speak to lawn fertilization, as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it is not my forte quite the opposite. But I

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<v Speaker 3>do agree with you on fertilizing the trees and shrubs

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<v Speaker 3>and perennials if you're going to do that. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>people always ask us if they should fertilize their shrubs,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know my answer, and I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 3>be obtuse or whatever is if you want to, it

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<v Speaker 3>is not necessary in most areas to fertilize landscape plants. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>if you started with something small, you might want to

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<v Speaker 3>fertilize to get because it does indeed boost growth, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's why people fertilize their lawn and greens everything up.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if you are trying to grow for.

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<v Speaker 3>Privacy, so I have a privacy hedge of junipers. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>trying to get established on the back line of my yard,

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<v Speaker 3>and you better believe I went out and fertilized those

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<v Speaker 3>last week when it was a somewhat nice day, because

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna get some rain. So that's like the ideal

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<v Speaker 3>time to do this is if you have a day

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<v Speaker 3>where it's nice enough for you to be out there.

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<v Speaker 3>The ground should not be frozen. And whether you're doing

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<v Speaker 3>your lawn or you know, perennials and shrubs and the like,

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<v Speaker 3>try to pick a nice day ground's not frozen and

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna rain really good the next day to get

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff, you know, working, because all of these slow

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<v Speaker 3>release fertilizers, and when we talk about slow release fertilizers,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not talking about like the little osma code or

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<v Speaker 3>other things like that that you put in your in

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<v Speaker 3>your annual containers that release fertilizer for them all summer.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about a fertilizer that weathers due to rain

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<v Speaker 3>and acidity and the soil and all of that and

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<v Speaker 3>releases those nutrients slowly correct to their plants, rather than

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<v Speaker 3>like here you go, you just got your boost.

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<v Speaker 2>Now deal with it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly my point with the lawn. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying don't feed your lawn, I'm saying, use a

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<v Speaker 1>good quality slow release. My point is not all fertilizers

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<v Speaker 1>are created the same well.

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<v Speaker 3>That is for sure, and there's a lot of confusion.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm a big fan of granular fertilizers. Anyway, as

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<v Speaker 3>we've talked about before, especially for this time of year.

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<v Speaker 3>You know you're fertilizing your annuals, your veget a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit later in the season by all means, mix up

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<v Speaker 3>that liquid stuff. But when we're talking about more of

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<v Speaker 3>this long term sustained growth, I really like a good stony,

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<v Speaker 3>granular slow release for life.

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<v Speaker 1>You too, I agree. So here's a few things that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do. Of course, I love in viral weather.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a meteorologist wannabe. So if you're north of let's

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<v Speaker 1>say a line between Kentucky and Virginia, and you're north

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<v Speaker 1>of that area, get to know soil temperatures because it matters.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes a difference on how quickly things emerge. Insects emerge.

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<v Speaker 1>Also GDD growing degree day accumulation. Don't have time to

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<v Speaker 1>explain it right now, but get to know that, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are great tools on the internet where you can

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<v Speaker 1>track that. I do that all the time. Then get

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<v Speaker 1>edging out of the way. Early springs a great time

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<v Speaker 1>to get edging work done. Clean out your shed. I

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<v Speaker 1>say that, but I won't do it. Sharpen your pruners

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<v Speaker 1>and shovels, divide and move some perennials like ornamental grass yep,

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<v Speaker 1>good time for that for sure, and when you plant

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<v Speaker 1>them in spring, they won't heave out of the ground

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<v Speaker 1>like they might in fall. Stacy, I like to give

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<v Speaker 1>my mulch beds a stir. I joke about the people

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<v Speaker 1>who put a big pile of mulch in their driveway

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<v Speaker 1>and pile it on too deep. By the way, don't

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<v Speaker 1>pile it on to old mulch and pile mulch too

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<v Speaker 1>deep just because you feel that's something you gotta do

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<v Speaker 1>at the outset of the spring. Appropriate amounts of mulch

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<v Speaker 1>are important for plants, and the old mulch I like

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<v Speaker 1>to stir it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, break up that surface tension. I mean the wood

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<v Speaker 3>as it sits does the waxes prevent water from wetting it.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is a good idea to kind of stir

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<v Speaker 3>that around and get some air under there, and you

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<v Speaker 3>keep it from looking too flat.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you have a strategic functional advantage when you understand pruning.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll talk about pruning throughout the spring, but it

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<v Speaker 1>makes a world of difference to know what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a perfect time to set up your irrigation system

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<v Speaker 1>and your needs for the season. In other words, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about we're in spring here. Before you can set

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<v Speaker 1>out annuals, we're still going to get some hard frosts.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the HHH approach that means inspect heads on

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<v Speaker 1>irrigation hoses and hardware in early spring, put soil in

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<v Speaker 1>your containers so they're ready to go when you do

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<v Speaker 1>buy those annuals. And maybe this is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>years where you upsize your hanging baskets. I often recommend

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<v Speaker 1>to people who buy the ten inch hanging baskets upsize

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<v Speaker 1>them into a twelve or fourteen inch basket. They're readily

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<v Speaker 1>available right now in stores. If you go looking for

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<v Speaker 1>them in June, you might not be able to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's for sure, the hanging baskets will sell out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's an idea of some things on your list

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<v Speaker 1>when you're just raring to go.

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<v Speaker 3>In Yeah, I'd say if you're out there inspecting your

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<v Speaker 3>heads in hardware and organizing your shed, I would say

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<v Speaker 3>you indeed have a case of spring fever, and that

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<v Speaker 3>would probably be the way this season appears to be going,

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<v Speaker 3>although I did see that they're predicting a very warm April.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll see what happens. Because March has been, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a little little less time outside than I had been

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<v Speaker 3>hoping for.

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<v Speaker 1>March hasn't been a lion or a land, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>been awful. Yes, we'll see what Stacy has in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And plants on trial coming up next here on the

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<v Speaker 3>welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are

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<v Speaker 3>talking about springtime tasks. And you know, if you're in

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<v Speaker 3>one of the areas that are nice right now, your

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<v Speaker 3>tasks may look a little bit different than us here

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<v Speaker 3>in Michigan, just trying to pass the time until we

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<v Speaker 3>can get outside and do something meaningful. But I did,

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<v Speaker 3>before I launch into today's plan on trial, want to

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we could do multiple shows about pruning, but

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<v Speaker 3>as you have hopefully heard me say before, the thing

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<v Speaker 3>to remember about pruning in spring is when in doubt,

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<v Speaker 3>don't just don't. So if you're out there, you got

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<v Speaker 3>the pruners, you're getting a little you know, over excited

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<v Speaker 3>about everything, and you're clearing it out, and you're wondering,

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<v Speaker 3>Where should I cut this? This is the best thing

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<v Speaker 1>And stay tuned to the Gardening Simplified show as we

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<v Speaker 1>advance into spring, because we're going to have to continue

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, for sure. But I did also want to

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<v Speaker 3>unless you cut them all back and fall that are

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<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't look great, but the plant will be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>And with shrubs, of course, if you cut them at

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<v Speaker 3>the wrong time, you could be removing flowers and that's,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, something that you can live with, but it's disappointing,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we don't want you to be disappointed, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we do have information on every Prooven Winner's Color Choice shrub,

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<v Speaker 3>how to prune it, when to prune it on our

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<v Speaker 3>website at Proven Winner's Color Choice doch, So that is

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<v Speaker 3>perennials go, you know, I've said it before and we're

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<v Speaker 3>segment four. But I am a big believer in not

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<v Speaker 3>over cleaning the garden in spring, letting all of that

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<v Speaker 3>dead stuff. So my solution, of course is just to

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, plants on trial, if there is one shrub

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you, but I looked at your notes here,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's not fair for even if I'm stealing.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, even if I hadn't told you.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, it's for city, of course, you know and

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<v Speaker 3>every and I'm sure I've said this on the show before,

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<v Speaker 3>but it amazes me that Forsythia is one of these

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<v Speaker 3>plants that nobody thinks even for a moment about outside

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<v Speaker 3>of its bloom.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, paying no attention, and then when it's in bloom,

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<v Speaker 2>it is just so unignorable.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody comes to the garden center wanting to buy.

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<v Speaker 3>It exactly, and it's just it's a It's a wild

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<v Speaker 3>thing to go from not thinking about forcythia at all

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<v Speaker 3>to seeing Forsythia literally everywhere. It seems like everyone has

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<v Speaker 3>a forcythia, and I think that's a great testament to

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<v Speaker 3>how tough and durable and easy to grow this plant is.

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<v Speaker 1>But isn't it something when it's in bloom with daffodils

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<v Speaker 1>at the ceme?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's perfection. I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm you know, I do

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<v Speaker 3>have a Forsythia in my yard. It was there when

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<v Speaker 3>we moved in. I'm actually going to cut it back

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<v Speaker 3>to kill it this year. I'm going to kill it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But we didn't want to pull it out entirely because

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<v Speaker 3>am after I'm gonna give it one last balloon. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just for me. It's too big. This

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<v Speaker 3>is this is one of the old fashioned varieties. So

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<v Speaker 3>our plant and a trial today show off sugar baby

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<v Speaker 3>Forcythia is going to change all of that. But let

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<v Speaker 3>me just finish my point here about the massive forcythia

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<v Speaker 3>that I have in my yard that is every bit

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<v Speaker 3>of six feet tall and wide. And you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just not my yard, and my garden is too

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<v Speaker 3>small for something that doesn't do a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean, I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so it's coming out. I don't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna plant in its place, probably give some room

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<v Speaker 3>to some other things that are already kind of muscling

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<v Speaker 3>it out. But I do love the golden color of Forsythia,

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<v Speaker 3>and for me, it's kind of like I can I

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<v Speaker 3>get my fill from everybody else who's got the forcythia.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't necessarily need it in.

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<v Speaker 2>My own yard.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I borrowed, borrowed sceener. The borrowed scenery is sufficient.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I did want to continue to grow for

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<v Speaker 3>Scythia in my yard, I would indeed pick today's plan

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<v Speaker 3>on trial show off sugar Baby forcythia. Why it is

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<v Speaker 3>hands down the smallest forcythia on the market. It reaches

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<v Speaker 3>just one and a half to two and a half

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<v Speaker 3>feet tall and wide.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>That is very tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>That's small.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean for most forsythias are gigantic, right, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>people make room for them. They still make a great

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<v Speaker 3>privacy heads. There's still a place for those larger ones.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think as a lot of us find ourselves

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<v Speaker 3>want to accommodate and plants that give us maybe longer

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<v Speaker 3>seasons of interest compared to Forsythia, or we move to

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<v Speaker 3>smaller areas and we just love forsythia with like a

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<v Speaker 3>condo or apartment or something like that. This is a

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<v Speaker 3>great choice for you. And because it is so small,

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<v Speaker 3>it is a plant that can grow in places where

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<v Speaker 3>other forcythia can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, instead of using it as a fountain dation plant

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<v Speaker 1>against your house, how about putting it in a perennial guard.

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<v Speaker 3>in containers. And I would also encourage you, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>garden center. Go ahead and plant it temporarily in a

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<v Speaker 3>container with pansies and bulbs and all of that fun stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and then just plant it in your garden when you're

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Forcythia's in containers at corkin Hoff in the

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<v Speaker 1>Netherlands with bulb plants. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's such a great combination. And then you know, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you're investing a bit into the forcythia, but you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to plant it out in your yard, so it's a

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<v Speaker 3>really great choice. You can also plant it. This is

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting choice for planting, say on either side of

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<v Speaker 3>your steps, because also, unlike those larger forcythia's, a show

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<v Speaker 3>of sugar Baby has a very tidy habit, so regular

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<v Speaker 3>forcythia's kind of can be a little bit messy, no rangey.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that about them because I like things to

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<v Speaker 3>look a little bit while and sometimes when I see

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<v Speaker 3>a little like ouch that looks like it hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>Or it hurts. In the right setting, it can work

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<v Speaker 3>But the nice thing about show off sugar Baby is

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to worry about that because it does

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<v Speaker 3>just naturally grow as this very dense, little kind of

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<v Speaker 3>column of golden flowers. So it has the structure that

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<v Speaker 3>you need for these more formal applications, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>going up to your front door on either side of

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<v Speaker 3>your garage. Of course, in perennial gardens, You can also

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<v Speaker 3>the front of landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the size is a great way to get everything

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<v Speaker 3>you love about Forcythia two areas that you normally wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>have grown it. Now, there's another big advantage of a

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<v Speaker 3>small Forcythia like show off sugar Baby, that I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to share with our listeners, and that is it is

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<v Speaker 3>hardy to USDA Zone five, but we have heard reports

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<v Speaker 3>of people in colder climates being successful with it because

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<v Speaker 3>it is so small that it's usually covered by snow

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<v Speaker 3>in those colder you know, zone four areas. If you

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<v Speaker 3>it is a Forcythia that you can actually potentially grow

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<v Speaker 3>because the snow provides all that insulation during the coldest

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<v Speaker 3>part of the winter when those buds would potentially be

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<v Speaker 3>susceptible to cold damage. It's got that nice fluffy white

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<v Speaker 3>coat on and it's able to bloom and survive. And

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<v Speaker 3>I have heard this even in places as cold and

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<v Speaker 3>exposed as Edmonton.

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<v Speaker 2>Alberta is. Yeah, so love it another word.

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<v Speaker 3>Way to kind of use plant sizes and these unique

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<v Speaker 3>that a little bit. These heat tolerant through usda is

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<v Speaker 3>own eight. I think it's funny that people tend to

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<v Speaker 3>think of Forsythia as more of a hardy plant, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually more heat tolerant than it is hardy. It's

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think a lot of people realize. Did you

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<v Speaker 3>know that, botanically speaking, for Scythia is related to olives.

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<v Speaker 1>I did know that, and I find that interest.

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<v Speaker 3>It is interesting because you know, again we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>heartiness and heat tolerance, and of course olives are not

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<v Speaker 3>the least bit heat tolerant, and for Cynthia looks nothing

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<v Speaker 3>really like an olive, but it is in the oly

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<v Speaker 3>ace the or the olive family, and so it's not

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<v Speaker 3>only unlike olives, but it's also unlike other plants that

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<v Speaker 3>are in the oly ace that we grow in our

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<v Speaker 3>gardens that are grown for fragrance. So Lilac is in

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<v Speaker 3>the oly ac jasmine privet fringe tree, Osmanthus ke and

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<v Speaker 3>sorry was looking at me like trying to trying to

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<v Speaker 3>place the plant, and so I wanted to get that

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<v Speaker 3>in their beautiful plant. It's such an amazing fragrance on

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy. I mentioned in the first segment pruning, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have a strategic advantage when you know when to prune.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the old and Forcythia's out there, this is

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<v Speaker 1>one that where people will take a little off the

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<v Speaker 1>top and then you have the naked branches below and

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<v Speaker 1>the tuft on the top. Yeah, so pruning's key. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>pruning is.

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<v Speaker 3>Key especially with those older varieties that do tend to

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<v Speaker 3>be a little rangy. Now because for Cynthia blooms so

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<v Speaker 3>early in spring, you have to think about this logically

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<v Speaker 3>and know that means it blooms on old wood.

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<v Speaker 2>It's set.

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<v Speaker 3>It's flower buds that you're about to see last summer,

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<v Speaker 3>because otherwise when would I have a chance to create

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<v Speaker 3>flower buds when it's still kind of cold and crummy. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So if you want to prune Forcythia, you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>do that immediately after it flowers in spring, when the

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<v Speaker 3>last bloom falls there. You can do it a little

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<v Speaker 3>earlier if you don't mind missing out on a couple

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<v Speaker 3>and that will give it the whole summer to recover.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you have one of those older ones, those

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<v Speaker 3>big rangy ones that is kind of bare at the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom with just the flowers on the top. Consider giving

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<v Speaker 3>it a rejuvenation pruning cutting it back to just stumps hard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Pune it back to just stumps and get a freshly

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<v Speaker 3>sun life and start to appreciate your Scythia again like

431
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<v Speaker 3>it deserves.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna have all of this in the YouTube version,

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<v Speaker 3>or of course in the show notes at Gardening Simplified

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<v Speaker 3>on air dot com. So check it out there if

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<v Speaker 3>you want more information about show off sugar Baby for Cythia.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna take a little break.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back.

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<v Speaker 3>dot Com. Greetings gardening friends, and welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 3>Gardening Simplified Show, where it is our pleasure to help

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<v Speaker 3>you solve your garden questions, quandaries and conundrums, which I'm

451
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<v Speaker 3>sure sure you have.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me just go.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to how I started the previous segment, which is

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<v Speaker 3>the thing I want you to keep in mind as

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing your spring chores and clean up. When in doubt,

456
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<v Speaker 3>don't you can ask us a question. No, but I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I kind of should need a T shirt. Yes,

458
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<v Speaker 3>I mean it's it's kind of It's somewhat good life

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<v Speaker 3>advice anyway, so even if it's not in the context

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<v Speaker 3>of gardening. You know, there's certain cases where when in doubt,

461
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<v Speaker 3>you should, but there's a lot of cases where when

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<v Speaker 3>in doubt don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good point because my nature has been to

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<v Speaker 1>jump in with both feet and then figure it out

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<v Speaker 1>as I go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, me too.

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<v Speaker 3>This is why I'm giving this advice well ground well

468
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<v Speaker 3>and also like it's fine. Here's the other corollary I

469
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<v Speaker 3>think to that, which is like, it's fine to ignore

470
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<v Speaker 3>that advice if you're willing to live with a consequence

471
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<v Speaker 3>but I've definitely dealt with so many gardeners over the

472
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<v Speaker 3>years who have prune something wrong and they just cannot

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<v Speaker 3>stop beating themselves up over it. And you know that's

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<v Speaker 3>hard because it's like, Okay, well, you've learned a great lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>You're obviously not gonna let this happen again. But if

476
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<v Speaker 3>you're like, hey, I don't know what's gonna happen, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm willing to accept the consequences of this not blooming

478
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<v Speaker 3>or you know, having its growth scented or whatever, then

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<v Speaker 3>by all.

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<v Speaker 1>Means, do Isn't it fair to say you want to

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<v Speaker 1>use as a general rule of green thumb if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to prune it, prune it right after it's done.

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<v Speaker 3>Blooming as a general guideline, especially for spring, especially for

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that blooms in spring.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but speaking of pruning, uh, you know, we talk

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. I think when most people talk about pruning

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<v Speaker 3>the immediately like hyde rangees, you know, like, do I

489
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<v Speaker 3>prune my headrange? Don't I prune my hydrange it didn't bloom.

490
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<v Speaker 3>I prove my hydrange it did bloom. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>People get real confused.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why we have so very many resources on pruning

493
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<v Speaker 3>hydrangees and when to prune them and how to know

494
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<v Speaker 3>if and when you should prune them. And one of

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<v Speaker 3>the hydrangs that we generally recommend having regular pruning on

496
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<v Speaker 3>is panicle hydrangers. Right, beautiful, easy to grow a plant,

497
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<v Speaker 3>not imperative to prune them, but you will find generally

498
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<v Speaker 3>that you kind of improve the overall habit of the

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<v Speaker 3>plant and the blooming if they are prune regularly. And

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<v Speaker 3>we just put a video on on this so I

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<v Speaker 3>can link that in YouTube and the show notes. But

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<v Speaker 3>I had a listener writ in a listener named Margaret,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe she is in Pennsylvania, and she says, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>watching your Limelight hydrange' show again, and I felt the

505
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<v Speaker 3>need to show mine. It is planted at the top

506
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<v Speaker 3>of a huge raised bed and has two offsprings that

507
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<v Speaker 3>I made to make a cave like structure in a

508
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<v Speaker 3>secret garden. This was purchased as a quart size plant,

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<v Speaker 3>so a four and a half inch container four and

510
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<v Speaker 3>a half inches twenty four years ago. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 3>are listening to us on podcasts or on radio, you

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<v Speaker 3>need to get over to YouTube or the show notes

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<v Speaker 3>and see a picture of Margaret and her Winmelight Hydrangea

514
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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'll paint a.

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<v Speaker 3>Quick picture for you here. It's probably what you say,

517
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<v Speaker 3>twenty five feet tall. I'm going to say that about

518
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<v Speaker 3>twenty five feet tall and about is wide.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty five feet tall, twenty five feet why, twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>years old, twenty five years old, quarter of a century.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean it must have thousands and thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>blooms on it. I've seen a lot of limelights that

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<v Speaker 3>haven't regularly been pruned. Not everyone has a space that

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<v Speaker 3>Margaret does, but wow, what an absolutely stunning specimen.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it's a kick in the plants. Yes, so Margaret's

526
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<v Speaker 1>a baby bloomer just like me.

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<v Speaker 3>So you definitely want to take a look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's just something too, you know, kind of bear

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<v Speaker 3>in mind as you think about if you're planting, you know, pruning,

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<v Speaker 3>what's it going to look like in the long term?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have the space to let this thing go unpruned?

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<v Speaker 3>And wow, a limelight can be just spectacular unpruned. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of one of those things where is that

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<v Speaker 3>strictly necessary maybe nice to have in most situations, but

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<v Speaker 3>you make your own decisions based on what you need.

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<v Speaker 1>Great job, Margaret. Linda writes to us, have just come

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<v Speaker 1>across your on air show today and I'm hooked. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much, Linda. I do have a question. Two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago I had four crape myrtles removed stumps, grounded,

540
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<v Speaker 1>way too close to my house and hard to maintain.

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<v Speaker 1>The following spring, they began creeping back up. Strangely, the

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<v Speaker 1>new shoots grow in a circle and very thick at

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<v Speaker 1>each remaining soil mound. I have sprinkled, sprayed two four

544
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<v Speaker 1>D charcoal starter fluid burning them, salt vinegar roundup. Wow,

545
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<v Speaker 1>they keep coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>He's trying it all, i'd think. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>My question is if I plant something in that spot,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think all of the chemicals I've sprayed has

549
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<v Speaker 1>damaged the soil so that it will kill anything I

550
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<v Speaker 1>plant there? And do you have suggestions as to what

551
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<v Speaker 1>might finally do a way with these shoots? Thanks?

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<v Speaker 3>Love your show, Right, okay, so you know take it away, right,

553
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<v Speaker 3>So crape myrtles and I feel like we've been talking

554
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<v Speaker 3>about crape myrtle quite a bit lately for a variety

555
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<v Speaker 3>of reasons, and crape myrtles are definitely a Southern plant,

556
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<v Speaker 3>but they are hardy and then people expected. And one

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<v Speaker 3>of the reasons that we are able to grow them

558
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<v Speaker 3>successfully up here in USDA Zone six, especially shrubby varieties

559
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<v Speaker 3>like our center Stage series, is because they can grow

560
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<v Speaker 3>from their roots. They can grow from the ground. So

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<v Speaker 3>if we have a very harsh winter here, they grow

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<v Speaker 3>up from the roots. Now, what that means for you

563
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<v Speaker 3>as a Southern gardener is that they can grow up

564
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<v Speaker 3>from the roots.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure if your tree service there didn't do a great

567
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<v Speaker 3>job grinding the stumps, because normally, when a stump is

568
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<v Speaker 3>properly ground, everything should be gone to the point where

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<v Speaker 3>this would not happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just still sitting here shell shocked. I wanted to

571
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<v Speaker 1>make sure I read this right. Using charcoal starter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she was burning it, trying to burn them barbecued

573
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<v Speaker 3>close to the house too. So so okay, a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of things there. So the the shoes that you're seeing

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<v Speaker 3>are coming from roots that are still in the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I say roots, I don't mean like little

577
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<v Speaker 3>tiny hair roots like a running perennial. I mean there

578
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<v Speaker 3>is a portion of the woody plant, like the trunk

579
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<v Speaker 3>or something still in the ground. Yeah, yeah, and so

580
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<v Speaker 3>you need to dig back to that and you can

581
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<v Speaker 3>take a little hatchet and try to ax that out.

582
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<v Speaker 3>You could also, you know, trying to use an herbicide

583
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<v Speaker 3>on this, I think is going to be really difficult

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<v Speaker 3>because the shoots that are coming out are not big

585
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<v Speaker 3>enough to absorb enough chemical to translocate into the remaining

586
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<v Speaker 3>part of the plant and actually, you know, kill the plant.

587
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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not sure that's going to help. I will

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<v Speaker 3>say I have heard that if you cut backsuckers like

589
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<v Speaker 3>these in late summer that will stop them because the

590
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<v Speaker 3>hormone levels in the plant are such that it won't

591
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<v Speaker 3>keep trying to grow back. If you can try waiting

592
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<v Speaker 3>until summer. Otherwise, I think you're gonna have to, like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, get a little hatchet and start trying to

594
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<v Speaker 3>hatch it out whatever part they're coming from. So don't

595
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<v Speaker 3>just cut them back when you see them, trace it back,

596
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<v Speaker 3>you know, dig away the soil, trace it back to

597
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<v Speaker 3>whatever part of the plant is in there. I wouldn't

598
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<v Speaker 3>be surprised if it's the whole stump, especially since these

599
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<v Speaker 3>are coming up in a circle. It sounds like the

600
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<v Speaker 3>tree was cut off and the stuff that's left is

601
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<v Speaker 3>all is where it's coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you were to apply some sort of herbicide,

603
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<v Speaker 1>remember it's taken in systemically by the plants, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>not let's call it poisoning the soil. What you're doing

605
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<v Speaker 1>is the plants taking it in systemically, meaning if you

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<v Speaker 1>do try this again in the future, falls the best

607
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<v Speaker 1>time to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, fall is a good time to do it, so

609
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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to worry about the herbicides that you

610
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<v Speaker 3>applied making the soil unhospitable for something else, the salt potentially,

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<v Speaker 3>because of course salt is not a friend to the soil.

612
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<v Speaker 3>But the good thing about salt and soil is that

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<v Speaker 3>it leaches out very, very easily and quickly. So if

614
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<v Speaker 3>you live in a rainy climate and or you have irrigation,

615
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<v Speaker 3>unless you went absolutely bonkers crazy with the salt, it

616
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<v Speaker 3>will already be leached out. So I don't think you

617
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<v Speaker 3>need to worry about that vinegar. I don't know same

618
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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing. I would think that any moisture, you know,

619
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<v Speaker 3>regular irrigation or rainfall is going to take care of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so. I just have never heard charcoal starter,

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<v Speaker 1>lighter fluid.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I wouldn't recommend that, especially being so close to

623
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<v Speaker 3>your house. But you know, eventually you can exhaust the plant,

624
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<v Speaker 3>but it is going to take some work. But like

625
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<v Speaker 3>I said, I think if it were me, I would

626
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<v Speaker 3>sharpen up that hatchet, try to trace it down, and

627
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<v Speaker 3>just get all your aggressions out trying to chop up

628
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<v Speaker 3>whatever's left in the soil there.

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<v Speaker 1>I could go for a good burger right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I'm hungry. I didn't need lunch.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>David asks, I want to plant Miscanthus gigantis grass as

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<v Speaker 1>screening the spring. What should I do to my unworked

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<v Speaker 1>soil for the rhizomes very aggressive plant? I grow them

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<v Speaker 1>in beach sand I would say, you know, David doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what kind of soil he has. If it's

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<v Speaker 1>a heavy clay soil, that can be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a problem because the roots are too wet and

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<v Speaker 1>it can kind of keep the plant from not growing

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<v Speaker 1>as aggressively as you want it to. So just work

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<v Speaker 1>in organic matter into the soil and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know what I wanted to say about David's question,

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<v Speaker 3>and to a lot of people in Michigan, who have

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<v Speaker 3>clay soil, which is just wild that you know, grow

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<v Speaker 3>gardening out here on the lake shore sand all day

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<v Speaker 3>long and you just go a little bit inland and

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<v Speaker 3>it's clay city. But I have a tip for people

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<v Speaker 3>who have clay soil that is difficult to dig in,

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<v Speaker 3>and then is start with a smaller plant. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you can get smaller plants like mail order or

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps your garden center sells them. If you have clay soil,

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<v Speaker 3>and especially if you're trying to plant something big with

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<v Speaker 3>a dense root system like an ornamental grass and especially Misscanthus,

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<v Speaker 3>there is no forgiveness. You're going to need to make

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<v Speaker 3>that hole every bit as deep as it needs to be,

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00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 3>which can make because you can't squish it down like

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<v Speaker 3>some things you can kind of collapse the route and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, get it in there. Not so with them

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<v Speaker 3>as canthus. So start with a smaller plant so you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to dig as big of a hole. But overall,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you need to really do too much

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<v Speaker 3>at all. They'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I say, just prepare the area, the general area

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<v Speaker 1>work in organic matter. We've always said, Stacey, don't dig

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<v Speaker 1>a hole and put some soil in it, plant in it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're creating a bathtub. Yes, spare the general.

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<v Speaker 3>Area and starting small is just I think a great

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<v Speaker 3>way to deal with gray soil so you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to dig quite so much, or you know, move out

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<v Speaker 3>to the lake shore. That's a great solution as well.

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<v Speaker 3>All Right, we're going to take a little break. When

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<v Speaker 3>we come back, we've got Mike Connor talking about pollinators

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show today for segment four,

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<v Speaker 1>branching news and interview with Mike Connor, honey Tree Arborus Services,

681
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<v Speaker 1>former grower of pollinator friendly trees. But Mike is an arborist,

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<v Speaker 1>a certified arborist, a beekeeper. I know he's a speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>much sought after and soon to be an author. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>is well, I'm gonna say Honey Tree Nursery has this

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<v Speaker 1>goal of basically getting people to plant pollinator trees and

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<v Speaker 1>care for trees. I think, Mike, your motto always was

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<v Speaker 1>plant a tree, save a bee, or something like that, Right, Mike, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>My t shirt. That's right there, you go, and a tree,

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<v Speaker 4>save a bee.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's a good reminder for all of us, Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>as we enter spring and trees start to bloom, just

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<v Speaker 1>how important trees are. Many people think clover and other plants,

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<v Speaker 1>but boy, a tree is a pretty effective way of

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<v Speaker 1>providing pollen. Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just reading to report put out at Kentucky

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<v Speaker 4>State University several years ago where they said that the

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<v Speaker 4>most important spring plant for pollinators is red maple. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>by far, it produces more flowers per cubic meter than

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<v Speaker 4>almost any other plant in the springtime, and it's actively

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<v Speaker 4>visited by honey bees, by native bees. I recently saw

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<v Speaker 4>them being visited by what are called cellophane bees from

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<v Speaker 4>one of our native bees. They're already out, they're already

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<v Speaker 4>building up beehives, and they're so important for our early

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<v Speaker 4>spring build up.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Mike. That makes sense to me because in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning when I get up, I just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>I'm groggy and I kind of just wander off to

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<v Speaker 1>the the coffee pot. I have one thing in mind,

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00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a cup of coffee. And I would think that bees

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<v Speaker 1>as they wake up in spring, they're they're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>some flowers. And if red maple is gone to work

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<v Speaker 1>early in spring, wow, it's a great resource.

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<v Speaker 4>It really is. Rick and red maples are of a

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<v Speaker 4>range that consists from Maine to Florida and all the

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<v Speaker 4>way over to the Mississippi River, and then the cultivarts

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<v Speaker 4>go beyond that, so it's ubiquitous. It's a really important tree.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, it's a shame because red maple is

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<v Speaker 3>so beautiful. It's native and has much better fall color

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<v Speaker 3>than any of the maples that are more widely planted.

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<v Speaker 3>Silver maple and norm maple. I'm looking at you, but

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<v Speaker 3>how do those compare? I mean, do they still have

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<v Speaker 3>some value? Like you know, I have a massive silver

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<v Speaker 3>maple in the eastman Or Parkway in front of my house.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't plant it, of course, it was there for

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<v Speaker 3>some reason. All of the trees, every single tree that

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00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 3>was ever planted in my yard was the worst possible choice.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what the previous owners were thinking, but

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<v Speaker 3>there is a massive silver maple, and of course it's

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<v Speaker 3>covered in flowers. So does that still have some benefit,

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<v Speaker 3>just not as beneficial as a native species.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, actually, silver maple is very beneficial to the early

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<v Speaker 4>pollinators because it's the very first tree to bloom in

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<v Speaker 4>the spring. It comes out before the red maple. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>the red maple depends on the gree days. It has

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<v Speaker 4>to have a few degree days under its felt before

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<v Speaker 4>it opens up, but the silver maple does not. It

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<v Speaker 4>just has to have a chilling period. Once that chilling

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<v Speaker 4>period has been accomplished, then the very first or second

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<v Speaker 4>warm day above fifty five, those flowers open, and the

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<v Speaker 4>flowers at the top of the tree open first, and

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<v Speaker 4>then the side of the tree, and then the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>of the tree. And the pollinators are out there as

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<v Speaker 4>early as late February gathering nectar and pollen from those

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<v Speaker 4>silver maples. And little note, the silver maples don't really

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<v Speaker 4>care about the bees. They're not insect pollinated, pollinated by

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<v Speaker 4>the wind. But the silver maples and the red maples

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<v Speaker 4>produce nectar because it's are you ready for this, it's

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<v Speaker 4>an ana freeze and it keeps that ana freeze around

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<v Speaker 4>the ovaries, so they don't freeze, and they're able to

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<v Speaker 4>be fertilized, they're able to develop, and the honeybees are

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<v Speaker 4>taking advantage of that pollen and nectar as their own resource.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. I had no idea. I never heard that before.

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<v Speaker 1>That is interesting, very interesting. So, Mike, in our first

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<v Speaker 1>segment I mentioned GDD growing degree day accumulation a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing for people to understand, and it's interesting you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the silver maples and the red maples along that line.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as emergence of these native insects is concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of confusion on how we should clean

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<v Speaker 1>up our yards. Should we rank up to leave, should

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<v Speaker 1>we prune everything back? How much disturbance should there be?

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<v Speaker 1>As a pollinator and be expert, what's your advice on that?

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<v Speaker 4>My absolute advice is be lazy, hold off. Don't get

764
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<v Speaker 4>excited about cleaning up your perennial gardens early in the spring.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very important that we leave those perennial gardens intact

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<v Speaker 4>because those stems that are two years old are serving

767
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 4>as a nursery and they're holding area for our overwintering

768
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.159
<v Speaker 4>native bees. Sixty percent of all the native bees that

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<v Speaker 4>we have in the United States are ground dwelling, and

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<v Speaker 4>when you rake that up and you kill that up

771
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:34.360
<v Speaker 4>before those bees get a chance to emerge, you can

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<v Speaker 4>kill those pollinators in your perennial garden, and during really

773
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 4>cold weather, those bees will return to some of those

774
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 4>locations and escape the wind and escape the rain and

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00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 4>the freezing temperatures. So my advice to people, and I

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00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 4>know a lot of people will appreciate this, is don't

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00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:58.800
<v Speaker 4>clean up your perennial garden. Don't be anxious to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>The later you can wait, the better. The very first

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<v Speaker 4>ones to come out of our native bees are what

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00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:10.880
<v Speaker 4>we call the cellophane bees, and they're out gathering pollen

781
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.719
<v Speaker 4>and nectar right now and they are taking that back

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00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 4>to the holes in the ground and they are feeding

783
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 4>their larvae, and they'll be gone in two weeks. So

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<v Speaker 4>I would recommend that we wait at least until the

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<v Speaker 4>vinka the vinca in our area are in bloom before

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<v Speaker 4>we start to rake and destroy those natural nesting areas

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<v Speaker 4>for the bees.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was right in the first segment, Stacy Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>I told people to clean out their shed and work

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<v Speaker 1>on their or hoses, and irrigation equipment.

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<v Speaker 4>First, sit out, drink another cup of coffee. Yeah, don't

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<v Speaker 4>be so anxious. And it's not just the bees, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's the chrystmases. I'm sorry, Yeah, the chrystmases and the

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00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 4>cocoons that are out there for our other pollinators. When

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<v Speaker 4>they take those up too early, then we're destroying those

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<v Speaker 4>native natural pollinators that we have in the garden.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know they're so well camouflaged. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of years ago we found a cocoon here

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<v Speaker 3>on the grounds at the nursery, and you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>looked it would be easy for someone who wasn't looking

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<v Speaker 3>for it to have just you know, tossed it out.

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<v Speaker 3>But instead we got to watch this amazing moth emerge.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when I was a kid, we were big

804
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<v Speaker 4>into bugs, and when we found those cocoons, we would

805
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 4>put those behind the screen in the house, and so

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<v Speaker 4>when those hatched out, the females would attract males by

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00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 4>the dozen, and at kids, we could see those those

808
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.719
<v Speaker 4>male bees all fluttering around to come to visit the female,

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00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.000
<v Speaker 4>and then of course we let the female go. But

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<v Speaker 4>what a great science experiment, what a great introduction to

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<v Speaker 4>nature for kids. You find those cocoons, put them in

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<v Speaker 4>a screen cage, and when they hatch, that protect them

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<v Speaker 4>from birds. And when they hatch them the males and

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<v Speaker 4>hopefully you've got a female, we'll come around to visit

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<v Speaker 4>and say hi and let them all go and we

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<v Speaker 4>can perpetuate that generation for another year.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I think everything that you're saying is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, people here all the time now with social

819
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<v Speaker 3>media and everything, you know, leave the leaves and blah

820
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.360
<v Speaker 3>blah blah, and and the bees, and they think that

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<v Speaker 3>they're helping honey bees because of course most people when

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<v Speaker 3>they think bees, they're thinking of honey bees. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're talking about all of these you know, vital and

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<v Speaker 3>really interesting you know ecologies that exists, you know, right

825
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<v Speaker 3>in our own backyards, and so many of us just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of plow them over without thinking. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>for all of these catchy phrases like leave the leaves,

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<v Speaker 3>there's not a whole lot of information there as to

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<v Speaker 3>why and what's the you know, what's the joy and

830
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<v Speaker 3>what's in it for us as homeowners and gardeners. And

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it's so good to hear about all

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<v Speaker 3>of these interesting things that you enable when you just

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<v Speaker 3>give everything a little bit more time and space before

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<v Speaker 3>you you know, humanize it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, that's right. I'm a firm believer of that.

836
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<v Speaker 4>Hold off a little while on cleaning up your spring debris,

837
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.639
<v Speaker 4>because that's what's best for the native pollinators. Now for

838
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 4>our honey bees, now that's another topic, because honey bees,

839
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.199
<v Speaker 4>of course, they're the ones that are out there doing

840
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.199
<v Speaker 4>the bulk of the pollination. They're the ones that are

841
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.960
<v Speaker 4>coming through the winter as a colony of five thousand

842
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.719
<v Speaker 4>or more bees ready to get out there and pollinate,

843
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 4>as opposed to our native bees which are emerging as

844
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 4>a colony of one, and our queen bees and our

845
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 4>honey bee hives will be producing right now maybe a

846
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.280
<v Speaker 4>thousand new babies a day, and they're all going to

847
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.719
<v Speaker 4>mature and then get out there to pollinate our gardens

848
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:42.480
<v Speaker 4>and our crops. But they are the major force for pollination.

849
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 4>But we need to preserve all of our pollinators, not

850
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.679
<v Speaker 4>just the honey bees, but also our native bees, butterflies

851
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 4>and of course hummingbirds and things like that. I find

852
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:57.519
<v Speaker 4>promoting the planting of trees for bees because most of

853
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 4>our trees that we promote our good for our native

854
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:04.800
<v Speaker 4>beast and our honey bees. Some of our native trees

855
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 4>are not good for honey bees, they're good for our

856
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 4>native bees. So I like to promote trees that are

857
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 4>beneficial to both natives and honey bees. That would be

858
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 4>things like our lindens and our pulip trees and cornisimonum,

859
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 4>and those types of things are so productive for both species.

860
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 4>So we don't have to be exclusive and say I

861
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 4>like one more than the other. Let's provide enough forage

862
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 4>for both of those.

863
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. We're talking to Mike Connor Honey Tree Arborist Services,

864
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and Mike is a beekeeper, a certified arborist, a speaker,

865
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:43.280
<v Speaker 1>soon to be author. And I'd love to talk to

866
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you about that book at some point, Mike, because I

867
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:47.639
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people are going to be very

868
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>interested in this book. You write with your experience. I mean,

869
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.280
<v Speaker 1>you've been doing this be thing for I'm going to

870
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:55.800
<v Speaker 1>call you out here because I'm in the same group

871
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:57.880
<v Speaker 1>with you. How long have you been doing this, Mike.

872
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll let you do the math. I've got my

873
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 4>first hive of bees in nineteen sixty six. Wow, I

874
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:08.199
<v Speaker 4>was twelve years old and I ordered it through Sears catalog.

875
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I've got.

876
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 4>Bees ever since. And at my peak I had about

877
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.920
<v Speaker 4>two hundred hives of bees. And now it's more back

878
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 4>to a hobbyist observational status. And two of my daughters

879
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.320
<v Speaker 4>are interested in carrying on bees now, and I'm really

880
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 4>excited about that.

881
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Love that is great.

882
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.039
<v Speaker 3>Now, so I have heard, and you know, maybe you

883
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 3>can reassure our listeners because you know, even as much

884
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.320
<v Speaker 3>as people hear about bees being beneficial, most people think

885
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.159
<v Speaker 3>bees stinging. Don't want to encourage them.

886
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Now, is it.

887
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 3>True that most of our native bees, like the celphane

888
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 3>bees that you mentioned, et cetera, are not singing.

889
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 4>They rarely, rarely sting, and if they do sting, it's

890
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.920
<v Speaker 4>almost negligible, it's a small pinch. I think that the

891
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 4>many times I run into cellophane bees, you can take

892
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.000
<v Speaker 4>them with your hands. I'm not recommending you do this.

893
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.280
<v Speaker 4>You can get them in your hands, you can them

894
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.199
<v Speaker 4>out of the air, you can look at them, examine them.

895
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:04.719
<v Speaker 4>And I've never been stung. I even think if you

896
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.800
<v Speaker 4>stood on one barefoot, that it would be rare to

897
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 4>be stung by a sellof ae B or one of

898
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.519
<v Speaker 4>these early native bees. It just is not a major factor.

899
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.760
<v Speaker 4>Most of these large bumble bees that we have flying around,

900
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 4>they don't want to sting you. If you grab one

901
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.559
<v Speaker 4>in your hand, well then that could be the exception.

902
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 4>But rarely will you be stung by a native bee. Rarely.

903
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 2>So that's you know, it's win win.

904
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 3>So you're helping these creatures that need our help, that

905
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.719
<v Speaker 3>are really being you know, their populations are being damaged

906
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 3>by our own practices, and you don't even like they're

907
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:42.360
<v Speaker 3>all benefit, no harm, They're all beneficial.

908
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.800
<v Speaker 4>I don't see any harmful sides to these native bees

909
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:47.239
<v Speaker 4>at all. Mike.

910
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to quickly ask you something that I'm passionate about,

911
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.039
<v Speaker 1>and that is diversity in the landscape. We're talking about

912
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:57.679
<v Speaker 1>early spring things like red maple, but it's important to

913
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.840
<v Speaker 1>have diversity in the landscape because this bee thing, so

914
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>to speak, is a season long thing. It's not just

915
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:06.280
<v Speaker 1>early spring.

916
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh, Rick, I'm so glad you asked that. There's a

917
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 4>springboard for me to jump onto a new topic. Springboard

918
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:17.000
<v Speaker 4>that is that, Oh boy, our native bees rarely fly

919
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 4>more than a thousand feet in their entire life.

920
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Think about that.

921
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.480
<v Speaker 4>They have got to have the diversity within a thousand feet.

922
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.679
<v Speaker 4>There are exceptions to that. Some of our bumblebees, for instance,

923
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.159
<v Speaker 4>a native bee will fly further than that, but most

924
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 4>of our native beasts will fly less than a thousand

925
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 4>feet in their entire life. That means you need a

926
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:40.639
<v Speaker 4>diversity of flowers from spring until fall to hit most

927
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 4>of those major groups of native bees. Our native bees

928
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 4>usually only live about two weeks, that you know, and

929
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:50.960
<v Speaker 4>then they're replaced by another native fee and then another

930
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:54.599
<v Speaker 4>native different species, a different genus. But if we don't

931
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:59.760
<v Speaker 4>provide a continuous supply of food for these bees, then

932
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 4>we're going to miss out on some of the genuses

933
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.840
<v Speaker 4>and species that are available in our area. So I

934
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:09.320
<v Speaker 4>recommend the diversity always continuous bloom if we can do that.

935
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.519
<v Speaker 4>And then we get into things like the honeybee, which

936
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:14.360
<v Speaker 4>is you know, they just have to have a lot

937
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 4>of resources because they're raising a lot of babies, and

938
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:21.840
<v Speaker 4>so no one plant provides all of the essential amino

939
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.559
<v Speaker 4>acids they need for the protein to raise those babies,

940
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:28.360
<v Speaker 4>but combinations do, such as red maple and pussy wallow.

941
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.400
<v Speaker 4>Those two provide a balanced diet. A lot of our

942
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 4>fruit trees will provide a balanced diet, but not one individually.

943
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 4>So we need to have that diversity not only in

944
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 4>the trees, but in our forbes and then are smaller.

945
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.719
<v Speaker 4>What are ornamentals that we plant in our landscape because

946
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.639
<v Speaker 4>we need that we need that diversity of pollen for

947
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.239
<v Speaker 4>the essential amino acids.

948
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 1>What a great sales pitch for plants on trials?

949
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes, indeed, yeah, And I'm absolutely I'm wondering, you know

950
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 3>how So I think you know, what you're saying can

951
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:02.719
<v Speaker 3>resonate with a lot of people, but they kind of

952
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:04.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know where to start. And you know, Rick and

953
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.239
<v Speaker 3>I have talked about many times how certain plants in

954
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 3>the garden center industry end up getting prioritized simply because

955
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:11.920
<v Speaker 3>they look great when people are in the garden center.

956
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 3>So you know, a lot of landscapes kind of end

957
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 3>up really just centering these plants that look great in

958
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.960
<v Speaker 3>that spring moment when they're in the garden center. So

959
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 3>what are you know, some of the things that people

960
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.599
<v Speaker 3>can look for. Is is it a matter of bloom time,

961
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:27.519
<v Speaker 3>is it bloom shape, is it shrubs, perennials, Is it

962
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 3>just kind of trying to combine all of these. Is

963
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:34.599
<v Speaker 3>there some sort of you know, secret recipe so to speak,

964
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:35.880
<v Speaker 3>that we can be working towards.

965
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.840
<v Speaker 4>You know, you can buy list You can get lists online. Unfortunately,

966
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 4>and I mean this with all of sincerity, most of

967
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:46.559
<v Speaker 4>those lists are not accurate. And I'm not trying to

968
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.920
<v Speaker 4>be a know it all here, but most of those

969
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 4>lists are based on somebody else's list or on somebody

970
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 4>else's personal opinion on what's valuable for pollinators. I think

971
00:49:56.480 --> 00:50:00.800
<v Speaker 4>that if you plant plants with a diversity of color, shape,

972
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:05.519
<v Speaker 4>and blooming time, that you generally match what those bees need. Now,

973
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.360
<v Speaker 4>that doesn't mean you only have to plant natives. And

974
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 4>I know I'm going to get in trouble here. I'm

975
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:12.719
<v Speaker 4>sorry for that. But there are a lot of good

976
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:17.760
<v Speaker 4>native oars and cultivars and even non invasive plants that

977
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.039
<v Speaker 4>we can put into our gardens that help fill those

978
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:21.119
<v Speaker 4>gaps here here.

979
00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, Mike, you're preaching to the choir there.

980
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:27.719
<v Speaker 4>Buddy, all right, we need to fill those gaps. So

981
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 4>there's nothing else that's native filling those gaps such as

982
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 4>early spring and late fall and early spring in late fall,

983
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:39.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, I promote the trees. There aren't a lot

984
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:43.679
<v Speaker 4>of plants out there that are providing large quantities of

985
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.079
<v Speaker 4>nectar or pollen in the spring, but we can plant

986
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 4>things trees shrubs that do that. We can plant trees

987
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.800
<v Speaker 4>and shrubs in the fall that help fill that gap.

988
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 4>Of course, one of my favorites is seven Sons, but

989
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.880
<v Speaker 4>I think that's my personal preference there. I love those

990
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 4>trees we can do. In terms of cultivars. When we

991
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 4>look at butterfly bush, I think that proven winners not

992
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.559
<v Speaker 4>giving you a plug here, But you guys have some

993
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:13.840
<v Speaker 4>varieties of butterfly plants that are even more productive than

994
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.480
<v Speaker 4>the native plants, and I think we should embrace that.

995
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:20.519
<v Speaker 4>We should plant those, We should acknowledge that that there

996
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 4>are some things that are better than just the native plants,

997
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 4>and they're better for our pollinators, and they're better for

998
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 4>our environment and for our gardens, and they're pretty as

999
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.880
<v Speaker 4>long as they don't become invasive, and they're not invasive.

1000
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.159
<v Speaker 4>That's what I tell people. I'm not necessarily a native person,

1001
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:40.679
<v Speaker 4>gets me in trouble, but our honeybees are not native.

1002
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:44.039
<v Speaker 4>Our honey bees aren't native, and they need to have

1003
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 4>some of the resources from our non native plants as

1004
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:49.000
<v Speaker 4>long as they're not invasive.

1005
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I agree. I mean, what is it people? Do you

1006
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 1>know in meetings they pound on the table or whatever.

1007
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Mike thumbs up to you, buddy, I agree, well.

1008
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I agree to you.

1009
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.639
<v Speaker 3>And what's interesting is that it sounds you know, you

1010
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.079
<v Speaker 3>can frame this in a way that insects like their

1011
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.679
<v Speaker 3>gardens very much like we do. Colorful and with lots

1012
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:14.400
<v Speaker 3>of flowers. And so if a garden is looking good

1013
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 3>to you as a gardener, you know, for a long

1014
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:19.800
<v Speaker 3>period during the season from spring until fall, with a

1015
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 3>good diversity of flowers and different things coming and going,

1016
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.199
<v Speaker 3>than chances are that's also going to look pretty good

1017
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 3>to our native insects as well.

1018
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.960
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, you've got it, you understand it. That's correct,

1019
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.760
<v Speaker 4>and that's for our native bees. And then again, put

1020
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:37.760
<v Speaker 4>on my other hand as a beekeeper, in that is

1021
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 4>that our honey bees need large resources of flowers that

1022
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 4>are all blooming at once, such as a flowering tree

1023
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.880
<v Speaker 4>or a large metal, not a small metal. Honey Bees

1024
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:51.199
<v Speaker 4>don't profit from a small pot of flowers. Their needs

1025
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:55.000
<v Speaker 4>are too large. They need to gather a large quantity

1026
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 4>of nectar over the season and a lot of pollen.

1027
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.719
<v Speaker 4>We need to have plants they're out there, or meadows

1028
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:04.559
<v Speaker 4>they're outer there that are providing large quantities of nectro

1029
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.320
<v Speaker 4>and pollen at one time. And that's what I push.

1030
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:09.920
<v Speaker 4>And that's what a tree is. A tree is a

1031
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.320
<v Speaker 4>meadow in the sky. And if we have a tree

1032
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.800
<v Speaker 4>that's in bloom, a flowering crab apple, or a flowering

1033
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:19.599
<v Speaker 4>maple that's in bloom, or Sepphora japonica or seven sons.

1034
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.639
<v Speaker 4>Now we have a medal that's sitting in your yard

1035
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.800
<v Speaker 4>that has a very small footprint, maybe only a couple

1036
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:28.760
<v Speaker 4>square feet, but it's a metal going up and that

1037
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.199
<v Speaker 4>metal going up can be planted next to a metal

1038
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 4>on the ground and we get double the flowers available

1039
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.119
<v Speaker 4>for our pollinators.

1040
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.519
<v Speaker 1>His name is Mike Connor. He's a certified arborist and beekeeper,

1041
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:46.360
<v Speaker 1>a speaker, and Mike, I'm always inspired after talking to you,

1042
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.519
<v Speaker 1>I sincerely mean that I can see why you're all

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<v Speaker 1>the buzz. Can you share with people your website?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, my website is Honeytree Nursery dot com and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't even mind if you a personal question contact me

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<v Speaker 4>via email, which is Honeytree nursery at Yahoo dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy to answer questions, love to do it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'll even take some flack from people. That's fine. I

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<v Speaker 4>have broad but if you give me flack, give me

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<v Speaker 4>facts like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that a lot. Mike, you are a joy,

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you what. Thanks so much for joining us

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<v Speaker 1>on the Gardening Simplified Show today.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for the invitation. I do appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a pleasure, Mike.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I am so inspired to get out there. If

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<v Speaker 3>only it were warm enough to see an insect.

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<v Speaker 1>He does that to me every time I'm fired up.

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<v Speaker 3>I am too, so thank you so much to Mike

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<v Speaker 3>from Honeytree Nursery. Thank you, Rick, thank you, thank you Adriana,

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<v Speaker 3>and thanks so much to all of you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope you have a wonderful week ahead.
