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Speaker 1: This is Deaf Dave, and you are listening to the

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best show on the Internet and a force for good

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in the universe, the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Shirley You Can't Be

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Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm a huckleberry.

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Speaker 4: When is this?

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Speaker 2: It is, ladies and gentlemen. We are here to discuss

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two awesome movies three three awesome movies. Three awesome movies

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that involve cowboys.

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Speaker 4: Not many Indians, but Mexican Indians, and some of them.

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You keep calling me names. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Does this mean we are not friends?

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Speaker 2: If I thought we were not friends, I could not

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bear it.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a clote fans.

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Speaker 5: My god.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody. We are here to discuss Tombstone versus

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Young Guns one and Young Guns two. We'll probably have

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a ranking at the end. I know I've got my

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top one in mind, the finishers for a second and

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third place. You're going to be up in the air

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for me. But okay, you remember watching these movies for

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the first time?

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yes, VHS party. As soon as Young

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Guns came out, I picked it up on VHS. I've

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watched it a thousand times. Yeah, Young Guns two, same thing.

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I picked up the CD and then I picked up

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the VHS tape, and then Tombstone was kind of beginning.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we.

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Speaker 4: Were quiet in the DVD era for me, at least

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at that time, but I had it on VHS and

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I watched all three of the all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these were definitely VHS movies for me and I

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Young Guns was kind of that same. I was experiencing

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that at the same time that I was experiencing the diehard,

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you know phase. Like I was like, Okay, these are

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these are my movies right now. And so I don't

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really remember how I saw that one first, but I

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remember when the second one came out. A buddy of

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mine had seen it, and I was like, did you

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like it? He goes, I think it was better than

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the first one. I was like, oh dang, and I

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went I agreed with him. I thought, I thought the

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second one was better than the first one.

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Speaker 4: And give me a final judgment already.

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Speaker 2: No, that's how I felt when I was like, okay, okay, thirteen,

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I mean that's okay, okay. I was thirty years ago,

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Speaker 4: The bon Jovie stuff pushed it over the top for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was a big fact that not as that

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Blaze of Gloria was a killer song.

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Speaker 3: And then I've got a fantastic burned.

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Speaker 2: In my you know, wonderful childhood memories of a snowball

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fight that occurred between me and my friends after we

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saw the movie Tombstone where the quotes were just flying,

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you know, the snowballs were flying, and the quotes were

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flying too with them as well.

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Speaker 4: That's fantastic. I love that.

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Speaker 3: I'm yo Hukaberry.

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Speaker 2: And then you.

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Speaker 4: Know, Daisy, you know, Daisy Law, don't go around here,

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mister I heard you the first time.

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Speaker 3: All right, So enough about us, should.

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Speaker 2: We jump in.

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Speaker 4: Let's jump back in time to the year eighteen eighty one.

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Speaker 2: You're so drunk you can't and nothing. In fact, you're

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probably seeing sample.

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Speaker 4: I have two gums, one fight chobyon.

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Speaker 2: We are on the day after the anniversary of the

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shootout at the Ok Corral one hundred and forty years ago. Yesterday,

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Wyatt and his brothers went to go confront the Clanton's

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and mccloughy's and it did not go well.

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Speaker 4: Thirty bullets, thirty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's not an exaggeration. If anything, thirty seconds

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is probably overestimating. It was probably even less than that.

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Speaker 4: It's incredible, and some folks ended up dead.

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Speaker 2: And you know, why should such a short thing end

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up in the annals of American history for another one

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hundred and forty years. These kind of big deal shootouts

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were not like this, like one gang against another gang

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just typically didn't happen like this. It was usually one

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guy against another guy, you know, the old high noon

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kind of thing. Sure, so that's why it was such

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a big deal. And then also it's really a big

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question at the time, who is in the right? I mean,

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history has certainly painted a certain way, But the truth

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is the Clanton's and mc clary's they didn't have any

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they didn't have any charges. They weren't criminals, they hadn't

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gotten anything against them, whereas the Herbs had some stuff

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Speaker 3: Sure, so, but you know, history.

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Speaker 4: Is a you know, it's interesting because there were two

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newspapers in Tombstone at the time. You know, the newspaper

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we're going to lean on. Our knowledge on this time

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period is based a lot on what the newspapers told us, right,

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and so journalism was not as I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That I would say it was not as anything. The

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fact is that journalism was biased. It was either going

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to be biased. One is. You know, maybe you got

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biased arts the IRPs. Maybe you got biased towards the cowboys.

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we'd sell more papers, get more advertising, and maybe you know,

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we try to get the truth and we just try

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to tell the truth as we believe it to be.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what I was gonna say. That's why it

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is now well, yes it is, Yes, it is. One

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newspaper in Tombstone sided with the Clintons, one side sided

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with Theirs. Yeah, hey, you know what else happened in

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eighteen eighty one?

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Speaker 2: Let me see, Uh, somebody shot somebody.

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Speaker 4: I bet Pat Garrett shot Billy the Kid in the back,

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allegedly allegedly you I'll make you famous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll jump on that when we get to Young

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Guns too. Okay, let's start with young guys. It was

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the first movie made, so let's jump in there. Hey,

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see it right.

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Speaker 4: Came out August twelfth, nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: Now, I couldn't find very much on how this movie

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came to be. This was a studio movie, so obviously

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those things were in play. But yeah, like typically, I've

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got a great story, and I don't have a super

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good story on this one.

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Speaker 3: So here's what'm gonna do.

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Speaker 2: I'm wanna tell you about the writer. Okay, So the

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writer's name was John Fuscous. Is is because should we

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say it now?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: So at the beginning of this year, John Fusco, the

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guy who wrote Young Guns and Young Guns two and

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Emilio Estevez said we are developing Young Guns three.

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Speaker 4: Young Guns three.

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Speaker 3: They're not young anymore. It's just gonna have to be

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guns three.

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Speaker 4: Did you see the movie poster?

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Speaker 3: I did see the movie post to.

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Speaker 4: See how the word young was shot up with bullets.

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Speaker 2: So it's just kind of very creative. So everybody. It

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actually on IMDb it says said to be released in

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August of next year, we have the third part of

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the Young Guns installment.

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Speaker 3: I am excited to see what they're going to do

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Speaker 2: I don't know, with everybody dying, how they can they

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do possibly, And I mean everybody's thirty something years older.

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What how you do it? I don't know how you

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Speaker 4: How's the math work here?

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Speaker 2: Well, how's the fact that most of them died work?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 2: I guess maybe they broached the fact that some of

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them didn't really die. I mean, Charlie didn't really die

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when they had him die, Charlie Javez doc. None of

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them died when they say they died in the movie.

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So maybe that's it. Maybe that's the big reveal at

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the beginning of the movie. Hey, it turns out nobody's

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really dead.

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Speaker 4: Wow, and they're still avenging John Tunstall.

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Speaker 2: If you guys needs to help out with the script,

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you can preach us at Shirley Podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So John Fusco was born in Connecticut. He actually

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was a musician. He left high school and decided to

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travel the American South as a blues musician and blue

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collar worker. He was trying to find some great old

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blue songs so he could do the Led Zeppelin thing.

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I guess, steal some blue songs, make them some rock songs.

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Speaker 4: Wait a minute, he packed up his guitar and he

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just took off.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he traveled around for a while. He

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ended up being a part of a band. In seventy nine,

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he joined and toured with the Dixie Road Ducks from

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Northern Virginia, but soon he left both of those and

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went to school to pursue screenwriting. He went to NYU

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and he had writing mentors that you a couple of

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them are going to recognize, Waldo salt Ring, Lardner Junior

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and Lorenzo Simple.

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Speaker 3: Really yep.

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Speaker 2: He ended up winning back to back honors in the

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National Screenwriting Competition in his junior and senior year. He

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won the top prize, which was a Nissan Centro. So

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that's pretty cool. And he got a contract with the

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William Morris Agency and his thesis became the movie that

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I've talked about before, the other Ralph Mancio movie of

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the eighties, Crossroads, of course, about blues in the South.

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Speaker 4: I kin watched it. I've never seen Crossroads.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you do need to.

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Speaker 4: I pride myself on being like an eighties movie gurer,

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but I've never seen that.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it's like Devil went down to Georgia eighties style.

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It really is. It's good. It's such a good movie.

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You got checked out.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, the final scene of Crossroads is a battle

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of guitar playing that takes place in Hell.

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's interesting there you go, Okay, keep going.

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Speaker 3: And so then he wrote young Guns.

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Speaker 2: That's all I've got. I mean, I don't know what

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to say, like, I can't find anything else. I don't

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know how Christopher Kane was picked to direct it, but

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we can talk about Amelia Stevez. He's part of the

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brat pack. He had done The Outsiders, he had done

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Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 4: He had done a movie called That Was Then This

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is Now, uh huh with Christopher Kane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that may have been how he got hooked

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on because it seemed like Emelio Estevez was kind of

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a driving force on this, although he wasn't the first

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one that they wanted to play the part.

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Speaker 4: They wanted Sean Penn as Billy the.

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Speaker 3: Kid, not crazy. That'd have been a different movie.

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Speaker 4: Listen, Emilia Estavez may not be the greatest actor ever

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walk down the street. Yeah, he is a perfect Billy

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the Kid.

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Speaker 2: You know why Sean Penn didn't get the job, right, No,

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he's in jail for punching out a photographer.

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Speaker 4: Is that right too? Busy. Uh too busy being married

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to Madonna at that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so wow for defending her honor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember those days. Yeah, punched out a photographer.

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Before we get into cast too far, I just listen.

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We are doing historical movies today. Okay, we're not college professors.

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We are just two guys with.

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Speaker 1: Well I mean you are you are? Oh? Yes, I am.

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Oh that's right, it's me. I can't. I always forget

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which one of us was which.

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Speaker 4: If you want a really good podcast on Billy the Kid,

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Chris Weimer does to America.

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Speaker 2: Is Infamous America.

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Speaker 4: And Legends of the Old West, and they are fantastic.

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Speaker 2: They are really good man, and our friend Dan lefeb

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has had him as a guest on his two episodes

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on these movies, the Tombstone episode yep and the Young

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Guns two. But check those out if you want an

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Speaker 4: So I'm just going to cover a brief history on

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these characters. Okay, all right, So we really don't know

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tons of hard evidence about Billy the Kid, Okay, probably

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the most famous Old West outlaw.

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most people think he was born in New York City.

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mom got married at a young age, she married a

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guy named Antrim, so he took the name Henry Antrim.

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uh huh, which I thought this was interesting. So his

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whole life he was known as Henry the Kid right right,

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Billy Bonnie. And it took a newspaper to finally put

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the three magic words together. I believe it was the

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Las Vegas, New Mexico Gaza or something. I can't remember

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the actual newspaper they finally put together Billy the Kid.

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Speaker 3: And man that's magic title?

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Speaker 4: Is that incredible? Billy the Kid? Okay, So he was

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born in New York City, traveled through Indiana, they made

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their way to Wichita, and they ended up in Silver City,

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New Mexico. There was a silver boom, Silver City, New Mexico. Right,

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Billy's mother died from a lung infection at the age

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of forty five, and essentially at that point he was

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a teenager he became an orphan, fell in quickly with

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the bad crowd, as teenagers often do, was arrested early,

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I think eighteen seventy five for stealing laundry from a clothesline,

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stealing from a chinaman as well.

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Speaker 2: Clark Kent got away with it. Okay, sorry, go ahead, right.

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Speaker 4: So, because he was friends with the sheriff's son, right,

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and we his parents do this sometimes you watch after

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your kid, and because your kid is hanging with us

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other you want to make sure that kid is on

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the straight and arrow. So the sheriff boughty Man put

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him in jail and in essentially a way to scare

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him straight. Right, So Billy wasn't really in as much

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trouble as he perceived he was. And so when he

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was let out for exercise, somebody turned their back. And again,

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this is not the prison of today, right, when you've

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got to feed prisoners and take care of them, they

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would just assume you left. Right, Well, somebody turned their

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back and he shimmeed up a chimney and up and

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over the wall and out and gone, oh wow, okay,

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I mean, skinny teenager crawled up at chimney and out

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to freedom. So again hanging out with the wrong crowd,

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stealing horses from soldiers. You know, this is post Civil war,

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I mean just post Civil war. So he's playing cards

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one night with a guy they called Wendy k Hill

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like blows like the wind. Wendy calling Wendy because he

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liked to tell these long, elaborate stories. I thought he

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was full of crap. Yeah, right, Well, he started giving

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the kid a hard time and calling him. He called him,

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we know, he called him a pimp and a son

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of a bitch, and he was holding him down. They

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got in a scuffle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had his knees. He's saying he was.

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Speaker 2: Hacking on him.

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Speaker 4: He's hacking on it. So he had him down, he

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had his knees on his shoulders and was slapping him

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and embarrassing him.

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the kid who is like seventeen at this moment.

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Speaker 4: And so what happens. He gets a hold of a

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pistol somehow and shoots this guy and he commits his

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first murder right self defense.

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Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, once.

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Speaker 4: Again, he takes off, probably probably gets cleared and self defense.

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But you know you're young, you're seventeen. You're like, crap,

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I just shot a guy. I'm gone right, Okay, so sheriff.

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So he takes off. That happened in Arizona. He bails

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on Arizona, goes to New Mexico. Okay, So when he

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ord in New Mexico, it's right as the Lincoln Wars

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are getting ready to happen.

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Speaker 2: So the Lincoln Wars I'll throw in with this, all right.

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So you've got John Tunstall, you've got Alex McSween, and

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you've got the Murphy Dolan gang. Yes, right, Jack balances Murphy.

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You don't really see Dolan. You get him like a

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little glimpse of him in the back. But the truth

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the movie. For one, John Tunstall was like twenty three

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years old. He was younger than Doc, he was younger

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than Charlie, he was younger. Yeah, he was younger than

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everybody except for Billy the kids. So he wasn't like

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this old mentor. He was a guy from England who

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had come across to make his fortune, and he happens

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to run into Alex McSween.

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Speaker 4: It's fascinating story. So they are in Santa Fe, New Mexico,

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in a hotel restaurant and he overhears Alex McSween saying

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the words that, boy, if somebody really had some grit,

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they could go down to Lincoln County and make a

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lot of money, run cattle and you know, competing against

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the Murphy Dolan Gang.

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Speaker 2: McSween had been the attorney for the Murphy Dolan Gang. Yes, like,

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so he was like, oh, well, I can help out

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because I know all the ins and outs of their organization.

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I can tell you in today's world that will get

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you in big trouble as a lawyer.

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what it was. So he knew the secrets of the

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Murphy Dolan Gang, he knew how crooked they were, and

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he was like, I would like to get someone who's

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a decent person in charge here and taken over this thing,

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and I know how their game works, so I can

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help you out. So it was really him that was

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kind of pushing John Tunstall into doing this.

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Speaker 4: John Tussell had some family money, yeah, and he did

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have some fortitude. Yeah, right, he had the balls to

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go against the Murphy Dolan gang. Yeah, and he was

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quoted as saying that he wanted fifty cents of every

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dollar spent in New Mexico. So John Tussell, it wasn't

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that he wasn't ambitious or even greedy, right, He just

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wasn't willing to murder people.

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and that sort of thing, which was different than McSween.

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McSween was anti violence completely like he, which is, you know,

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ironic that he would be gunned down in the front

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yard of his house while his house was burning. Tunstall

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was one who would take up the fight, but wasn't

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one to go instigate.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So it is interesting before we really go any further,

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almost everybody, at least the main people are based on

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real people in Young Guns and Tombstone. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The historical accuracy of these movies, given that they are

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really good and Hollywood movies, right, is really pretty impressive.

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Speaker 4: It is impressed.

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cool things going on back in the eighteen eighties and

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we got the benefit of being able to capture it

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via Hollywood. Okay, guys, we're going to take a brief break.

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We're coming to you with our Shirly showcase. We have

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a special Patreon member who is joining us today to

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tell us her opinion on one of our prior episodes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's Torontonian. Her name is Addie and this is

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what she has to say.

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Speaker 6: Hey, guys, this is Addie from Toronto, Ontario and I

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really love your podcast, so thank you for asking me

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to be a part of it. This is really exciting.

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I've listened to your podcast for a few weeks now,

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maybe a month, but I really love it. I listen

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to it every week. It's a great way to break

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up the work day. It gives me a little bit

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of joy in an otherwise boring work day. So thank

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you guys for that. Your podcast is just kind of

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really chill and fun and I love listening to you

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guys talk. You guys are very knowledgeable and funny, and

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it sounds like listening to two old friends sit around

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and talk and laugh and it just gives you a

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really good feeling. So I really love your podcast, so

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keep doing what you're doing. So I've chosen your Bill

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and Ted episodes, both of them, because I have to

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talk about all three movies, and yeah, I just love

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those movies so much. They're near and dear to my heart.

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I got into Excellent Adventure when I was about fifteen sixteen,

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which was two thousand and five, two thousand and six,

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so kind of way after the movies came out, but

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they're still nostalgic to me and remind me of being

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a teenager. I love them so much. I've made my

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friend in high school dress up as Bill me as

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Ted because that's how much I love the movies, and

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still one of my favorite Halloween costumes of all time.

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I don't know how I'm gonna pick. It's impossible to

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rank these movies because they're all so good. I love

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them so much. Excellent Adventure, obviously, is where we meet

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Bill and Ted, and you meet these two lovable characters

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who are just pure fun and they're sweet and they're

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nice and they just want to have a good time.

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They're not like those typical rebellious rage against the machine,

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range against the man rocker dudes. They just want to

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have a good time. They want to make music. They're vibing,

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they're chilling, they're just living their life, and they also

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have to save the world, so I guess there's a

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little bit of conflict there, and it's just a fun time.

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And then you have Bogus Journey, which to me, I think,

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while it is a complete departure from Excellent Adventure, I

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think they take the formula from Excellent Adventure change it

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into something completely different while also remaining true to them,

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which I don't know if that makes any sense, And

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I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion, but

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I do love Bogus Journey. I love William Sadler as Death.

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He is absolutely hilarious. And I also love God gave

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rock and roll to you, one of the greatest songs

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and forever will remind me of Bill and Ted. And

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then you have Faced the Music, which honestly I think

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is fun, nostalgic. It was a good throwback. It was

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completely for the fans, and I think it was a

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great way to close off the trilogy. I think Alex

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Winter and Keanu Reeves did an amazing job and they

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just brought Bill and Ted back to life while finally

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closing off their story in a satisfactory way. And I

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just loved it. And that's it. I mean. As for

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my ranking, I think I can only rank them in

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the way they came out as one, two, and three.

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But they're all so good and it really is truly

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impossible to rank them. But yeah, I guess the only

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appropriate way to end this is to say, be excellent

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to each other and party on. Dudes. Thank you guys

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for everything you do. I can't wait to listen to more.

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Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, I love it.

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Speaker 4: I love that's she called us fun and chill.

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Speaker 1: I'd like fun, I like chill, I like being described

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as such.

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Speaker 3: It is good.

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Speaker 1: We really really appreciate the warm words that you had

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for us.

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Speaker 2: Addie. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: I think it's awesome that somebody is so young likes

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these eighties and nineties movies that we love.

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the late eighties and still is digging on the stuff

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that we grew up with. It's totally awesome.

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Speaker 4: I know it's fantastic.

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Speaker 7: Addie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: We love hearing from you. Looking forward to interacting with

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you in the future.

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Speaker 1: And guys, if you want to be an executive producer

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like Addie, be sure and check out our Patreon page.

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It's patreon dot com. Slash Shirley Podcast. You can be

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a Patreon member for as little as five bucks a

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month and get some maybe cool prizes if you go

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up from there. So definitely check that out. Thanks Addie.

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All right, let's get back to it.

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Speaker 4: So, Yes, William H. Bonnie actually lived, Jose Chavez, real

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person Joside, Doc Scurlock, real person, Charlie Bowdrey, Dirty Steve

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even was a real person with a real name.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So when Billy arrives in Lincoln County, the Murphy

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Dolan store is the most powerful thing.

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Speaker 4: They actually have a deal with the army. Remember this

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is or just after the Civil War and they are

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running every So Tunstallomic's wing came to town to put

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them out of business. Guess what, that's not gonna be

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Speaker 3: Let off fly around here, get read.

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00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 4: Yes, So, like the movie, Murphy Dolan assassinated John Tunstall.

475
00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, New Year's Day, New Year's Day.

476
00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:25,839
Speaker 4: And the group of young men. It's not this father

477
00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:30,759
son relationship, right, or even teacher student relationship.

478
00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: Right, it's boss and regulators regularly. I mean they were

479
00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:34,880
already the regulators.

480
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,519
Speaker 7: Yes, we worked for mister Tunstall as regulators. We regulate

481
00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:41,559
any stealing of his property. We're damn good too. Mister

482
00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:45,160
Tunstell's got a soft spot for runaways. There looks vagrant types,

483
00:22:46,039 --> 00:22:48,960
but you can't be any geek off the street. Gotta

484
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,480
be handy with the steel, if you know what I mean,

485
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:51,240
or you keep.

486
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,279
Speaker 2: It's just after that happened, they became the deputized regulators, got.

487
00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 4: To be handy with the steel, if you know what

488
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:58,000
I mean.

489
00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:03,079
Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk about that line.

490
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 4: I know we can. So after his death, the regulators

491
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,000
got warrants and instead of like arresting people, they used

492
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,440
it as like hunting licenses, like yeah, we're.

493
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:17,319
Speaker 2: Gonna go kill these guys, and speaking about historical accuracy,

494
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,720
Dick Brewer was really like, no, we need to arrest

495
00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:21,160
these guys.

496
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,519
Speaker 3: We don't need to just gun him down.

497
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 2: And Billy and basically everybody else was like, nope, we're

498
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:26,599
taking these guys out.

499
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 3: They killed our boss. We're taking them out.

500
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 4: That great scene in Young Guns where they catch Baker

501
00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:35,000
and Martin, they actually capture them at the at the

502
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,359
river Benda. We don't really know exactly what happened at

503
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,599
that moment. Three guys ended up dead.

504
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: Baker yep.

505
00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:44,599
Speaker 4: McCloskey yeah, and Martin.

506
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: Right, And McCloskey was the guy who had been deputized

507
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,240
with him as one of the regulators. But Billy, we

508
00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,000
don't know what happened. But in the movie, Billy says

509
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,680
he's a trader. I know, he's a trader with the

510
00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:00,680
Murphy Dolan gang. Oh yeah, and you see him, you know,

511
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,640
shoot the guy in the forehead point blank. It's pretty

512
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:05,039
it's intense too.

513
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:05,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all that.

514
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 4: That's not what you did. Yeah, what do you do?

515
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: What do you do?

516
00:24:10,319 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 4: He knows what he did that scene when he blows

517
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,759
that guy at the back of his head up right. Yeah,

518
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,960
they used a little squib yeah, and ground hamburger meat

519
00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:23,960
gruesome murder. Yes, And so later on in the movie

520
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,680
when Alex McSween gets shot, they don't use any squibs

521
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,160
because they're afraid it is gonna be rated r.

522
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, worse, Yeah, like they were. There was

523
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,000
so much blood that they thought they were not going

524
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,039
to get any no kids watching this movie.

525
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,279
Speaker 4: Okay, So over to Tombstone, over Tombstone.

526
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 7: And hell's come on with me, Hell coming.

527
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,759
Speaker 2: With me over to Tombstone. So again we've got I'll

528
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:51,000
start with our writer again, because from what I've read,

529
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,200
he is really the guy behind why this movie was

530
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,440
so good. Okay, he's his name's Kevin Jarry. He started

531
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,720
out as an actor on like Flipper, like as a kid. Really, yeah,

532
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:07,400
he was one of the actors on Flipper. But he

533
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,839
was totally into Old West and Civil War history, huge

534
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,799
historical you know, just dove into that, and so he

535
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,440
decided to start writing things. And one of the first things,

536
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,400
one of the first screenwriting jobs that he has is

537
00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:24,720
with a movie that you and I both have talked

538
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,279
about before. Okay, Rambo First Blood Part two. Oh yeah,

539
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,519
but Rambo, Right, But when we talked about it, it

540
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,279
wasn't Kevin Jarry who had written it. It was yeah,

541
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,039
it was James Cameron exactly. And so I was like,

542
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,440
what okay. And then even when I had read about

543
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,920
James Cameron's script, Sylvester Stallone was like, yeah, no, none

544
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,400
of that was actually James Cameron stuff. I pretty much

545
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,839
did all of that. So it sounds like Kevin Jarry

546
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,880
wrote something, and then James Cameron tried to make that better.

547
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,279
And then Sylvester Stallone said this is still crap and

548
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:56,720
readd the whole thing anyway.

549
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:57,839
Speaker 4: That's kind of his mo o.

550
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: But yes, yeah, But interestingly, the director on Rambo First

551
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,480
Blood Part two, yes is George Cosmotos. Yes, who will

552
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,720
come up here in just a little.

553
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,319
Speaker 4: Bit, right, right, So who directed Tombstone?

554
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

555
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 4: That is a good question.

556
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:16,519
Speaker 3: We will get to that in just a minute.

557
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay. So Kevin Jari then does another script for

558
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,400
this movie called Glory, which ends up being a huge

559
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,400
success historically accurate and a huge success. It's like the

560
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,839
breakout movie for Denzel Washington. It made Matthew Broderick a

561
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,720
real actor instead of just one of the kid actors.

562
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,880
I mean, it was really well received. And so he's

563
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,599
kind of riding that ladder up. And so he's like, Okay,

564
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,880
the next movie I want to do is Dracula.

565
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 4: Really yeah?

566
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:45,839
Speaker 2: What? Yeah?

567
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: He's like, I really want to get it right.

568
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,319
Speaker 2: I want to get as much historically accurate as I can.

569
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:53,839
And so he's like he's diving into the history of

570
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:58,359
flat Dampaler, He's going to transylvan. He spends years developing

571
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,279
the script, and I think think he meets Winona writer

572
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,960
at some point he's like, hey, I think you'd be

573
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,680
great in this movie that I'm writing right now about Dracula.

574
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:08,640
WHOA And she's like, oh, that sounds great. And then

575
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,519
later on she says something to Francis Ford Coppola, who's like, oh, no, no,

576
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,200
he'll be in that one, being the one that I'm making.

577
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,799
Oh and so they and this is something that happens

578
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:22,240
a lot in Hollywood. They will make two movies about

579
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,640
the same event at the same time, and it's really

580
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,119
a race to the box office.

581
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: Does that sound familiar right now?

582
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:31,599
Speaker 4: Yeah? It absolutely happened with Tombstone.

583
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. We had Tombstone come out and then what

584
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:35,920
like six months later, Whyetarup came out?

585
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, whyet arb with Kevin Costner and Dennis Quaid as

586
00:27:39,319 --> 00:27:40,039
Doc Hollywood.

587
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Doc Hollywood, Doc, Doc Hollywood is agreed movie.

588
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: I can't believe.

589
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,599
Speaker 2: It's what Michael Jus performances. I think I liked it

590
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,240
best when he said, you're a daisy if.

591
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:03,519
Speaker 4: You do Doc Holliday, Yeah, thank you very much. So

592
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,960
what podcast am I on here?

593
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: And so he is devastated, right like the Francis Ford

594
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,079
Coppola is making Dracula, and basically the studio says sorry,

595
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,920
we're pulling the play. I mean he was in like

596
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,519
Middle Europe at the time doing research and I like

597
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:23,960
to pulling the plug. And so, like.

598
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: Years of his time down the dream suck.

599
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: So he comes back devastated, but he rallies and says, Okay,

600
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,400
I'm gonna do an Old West script. That's what I

601
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,680
want to do right, and I.

602
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,279
Speaker 3: Want to do it right.

603
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,519
Speaker 2: I want to get it historically accurate. And so he

604
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,839
enlists the help of a guy named Jeff Moray and

605
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:43,559
another guy named Jim Dunham. All Right, He's like, I

606
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,039
want to get this as close to right as I can,

607
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,279
and again spends months years getting this script developed. And

608
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:55,359
while he's talking, Jim Dunham says to him, he says, Hey,

609
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:58,400
I don't know if you've read the Walter noble Burns

610
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,920
book called Tombstone, but if you're gonna cover the confrontation

611
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,279
scene between Doc Holliday and Johnny Ringo, be sure to

612
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:08,200
use the line I'm your huckleberry. That's my game.

613
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: Okay.

614
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: So that line came from the book Tombstone by Walter

615
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:12,480
noble Burns.

616
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: Interesting.

617
00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then later Kevin asked Jeff, He's like, you know,

618
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:18,559
I'm trying to find the motivation on these guys. I

619
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,079
can get the facts, but I'm not sure about the motivation.

620
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,000
And I can't figure out why Wyatt liked Doc. And

621
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,920
Jeff said, I think it's because he made him laugh.

622
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,559
Speaker 4: I think that's genius. Oh yeah, the Alchemist's performance is

623
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Doc Howell? Would they as Doc Holliday is phenomenal? Why

624
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:42,880
whatever do you mean?

625
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 7: Maybe Pops is not your game laughter?

626
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: I know, let's have a spelling contest.

627
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: And he's hilarious.

628
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, I mean he makes you laugh. He's saying

629
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:01,400
things in this deadband way without his and he's hysterical.

630
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: If you haven't seen have you seen the documentary called

631
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,720
val I haven't seen it yet. Oh it's fantastic. And

632
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,839
in fact, I went back after watching that documentary, I

633
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,880
watched Tombstone and the Doors and Top Gun. Oh yeah,

634
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,440
his range is amazing.

635
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tragedy.

636
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: So another guy who's of importance, this is this is

637
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,960
some good stuff here that you remember the character Texas

638
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:26,759
Jack Vermilion. He's the guy with like the longer hair

639
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,319
when the Yeah. Okay, so that actor's name is Peter Shariko. Okay,

640
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,319
but he's also a Western historian, like they stuck him

641
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,440
in this part, but really he's more he's more behind

642
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,000
the scenes kind of guy. And so his job was

643
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:44,799
to get the guns for all of the characters. And so,

644
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,400
like they because of what happened with Dracula, Kevin Jarry

645
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,480
didn't want anybody to know what kind of script he

646
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,279
was working on because he didn't want anybody to come

647
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:53,359
in and steal.

648
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:54,039
Speaker 3: It out from under him.

649
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:55,519
Speaker 4: Again like Kevin Costner.

650
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,279
Speaker 2: Exactly, okay, and so he's like keeping things secret, but

651
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:01,359
he has to, you know, get things from different people.

652
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
He's looking for guns in the situation, and finally he

653
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,480
gives Peter Shirako an idea of that they're making a

654
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,000
movie about the shootout at the OK Corral right Oka.

655
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,720
He's like, I need the guns for these guys, and

656
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,599
he's like, okay, no problem. I know that Doc Holliday

657
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,000
carried a seven and a half inch colt and Kevin

658
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:20,799
Jarr's like, uh.

659
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,079
Speaker 3: No, it's too big.

660
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,319
Speaker 2: He's like, what I thought you said you want to

661
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,680
be historically actor. He goes, I do, but I also

662
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,400
wanted to be able to twirl the gun a little bit,

663
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,799
and that's too big right, and he's like, okay, well

664
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:33,079
that was also Ringo's gun.

665
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: He's like, oh yeah, I want Ringo to do a

666
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,880
lot of twirling.

667
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: So can you change both of those two like a

668
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,680
four and a three quarter inch or something like that.

669
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: He's like, all right, fine, as what we do.

670
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:43,839
Speaker 2: And so that's what they end up with is the

671
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,079
shorter guns they can do their fancy twirling right. And

672
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:48,279
then it happens again like he's like, okay, well, what

673
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,480
gun is Sheriff bi Han going to have. He's like, listen,

674
00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:54,640
he was a dapper guy. I think that probably he's

675
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,279
going to get the most recent gun that's out there

676
00:31:57,359 --> 00:31:59,160
for sheriffs at the time, since he's a sheriff and

677
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,480
there was.

678
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: This four sheriff's model.

679
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,359
Speaker 2: And Jerry again says, no, I want him to have

680
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,240
like a dainty gun.

681
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: I want like those tiny guns. He's like fine.

682
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:11,039
Speaker 2: So he goes to this place in Orange County called

683
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:14,279
Little John's, which has the old West guns, you know,

684
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,519
like the high end guns that you can get, and

685
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,599
the guy John that Little John's John is like, hey,

686
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:21,599
we got we've got an auction coming up. You should

687
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,119
check it out. I think there'd be some stuff you'd

688
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,200
be interested in. He's like okay, He's like, here's the catalog.

689
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,640
He starts flipping through the catalog. They have the original

690
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:33,240
be hand gun, Like the actual gun that Sheriff Behn

691
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,640
owned is coming up for auction and it's the exact

692
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,000
model that Peter Sireko was trying to convince Kevin Jarr

693
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,160
to use. So he's like, I need to take this,

694
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,759
and he drives all the way back to Jarr's house

695
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:46,799
and he just holds it open for him in front

696
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:49,400
of him, and Jarr's like, okay, we can use that gun.

697
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: Wow, that's fantastic.

698
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So who did We've touched it already. You

699
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,319
know who Kevin Jarry wanted to play wi at.

700
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,839
Speaker 4: Ar Kevin Costner. Yeah, that's what I mean, what happened

701
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:01,359
with that thing?

702
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,599
Speaker 2: Okay? So Costner had been in Silverado in eighty five,

703
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,680
which is I mean, you look at the eighties, there

704
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,359
are very few Western movies that are inequality, right, but

705
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,200
Silverado is one of them, and it was Kevin Costner's

706
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,079
breakout performance, right, and then obviously he ends up doing.

707
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: Very well in the genre.

708
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: Later on he moves on to baseball.

709
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,279
Speaker 2: Well, but I mean, he's still he's got open range,

710
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:24,640
he's got dances with wolves. I mean, it's he's good

711
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,720
at doing the cowboys stuff.

712
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,039
Speaker 4: He is doing. It's baseballs and cowboys.

713
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: Cowboys reminds me when he shows up to one of

714
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,599
the producer's house, he's in the bomber jacket and the

715
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:37,880
baseball cap and it's supposed to be talking about a

716
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,039
wider script, and all he's got is a bottle of

717
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,680
Stowy vodka. He's like, please tell me, you guys have

718
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,079
some orange juice. And all he did was sit there

719
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,279
and make screw drivers all day. You scarved it all

720
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,720
sidebar anyway, So he calls up Kevin Costner, and there

721
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:54,799
are a lot of conflicting stories about how this actually

722
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:58,160
all played out, but the clear thing is that Kevin

723
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,119
Costner says, no, no, thank you. What we get from

724
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:06,079
both Kevin Costner and from Kevin Jarre is Kevin Costner

725
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,440
had already been working on a script. He had this

726
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,280
idea for like a big mini series about Wyatar's life,

727
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,079
and so he was like, I don't want to do this.

728
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,960
I want to do mine. Mine's good and yours is okay, right,

729
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,239
which he also said he didn't read it, so it

730
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,280
didn't really make any sense.

731
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 3: But anyway, he's out.

732
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,079
Speaker 4: Before you move on from Kevin Costner, gohead. You know

733
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,400
what role Kevin Costner stole from Kurt Russell.

734
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Yes, we've talked about it in our previous episode on

735
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:32,840
Bulderham Versus Major League.

736
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: I find that fascinating. Kurt Russell really wanted the part

737
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,119
of Crash Davis in Bull Durham, right, Kevin Costner took it, right.

738
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,599
Speaker 2: Kurt Russell was a professional baseball player, I know, I know,

739
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:45,119
and he did get the part.

740
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,519
Speaker 4: Kevin Costner was not the best player in his high

741
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,760
school team, right, and so you got to think that

742
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,480
there's some satisfaction Kurt Russell taking over this movie and

743
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,039
just killing Kevin Costner at the movie theater.

744
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: Apparently it was Apparently on the set there were two

745
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,760
things you didn't talk about in front of Kurt Russell.

746
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,119
Speaker 3: One was machine Rain and the other was Kevin Costner.

747
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:09,519
Speaker 2: Really yeah, Now.

748
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 4: They ended up doing two thousand miles to Graceland.

749
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly how about that they made up?

750
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,679
Speaker 2: I guess you know, I became drinking buddies or whatever

751
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:23,679
would bury the hatchet. So Kevin Jari has written this epic, awesome,

752
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:29,079
historically accurate script and he is slated to direct.

753
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so.

754
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,519
Speaker 4: This is interesting. We're getting into it now, right.

755
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,639
Speaker 2: So he's picking out people, right. One of the actors

756
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:38,519
that gets the script is a guy that we've talked

757
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:43,599
about also, Michael Bean. Yeah, and so he Michael Bean's like,

758
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,280
I would like to be Doc Holliday please because that

759
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,119
looks like an awesome part, right, And they're like, okay,

760
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,320
we'll let him know, and they're like, okay, Val.

761
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: Kilmer is probably going to do that. When he's like, well, crap, okay,

762
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,199
I'm not.

763
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: A wait the guy who Vlkilmer is against the guy

764
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,280
who Doc Hollidays against Johnny Ringo. Can I have that part?

765
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,199
Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, again, you can have that part.

766
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:01,599
Speaker 2: Okay.

767
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,599
Speaker 3: So he meets with Kevin Jari and this is interesting.

768
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: Kevin Jari tells him that, like, this is like a

769
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,519
piece that he's writing for his girlfriend.

770
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 3: Lisa's ayt Like, He's like, I want her to.

771
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,159
Speaker 2: Be Josie her. She was in some movies with Rob

772
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,559
Low and James Spader. She was kind of, you know,

773
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,440
on the fringe of being somebody interesting. But he wanted

774
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,119
her to be play the part.

775
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: Of Josie in this one.

776
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he tells that to Michael Bean. Michael Bean's like, yeah,

777
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,519
this is great. This guy's got passionate about the script.

778
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,480
I'm excited to be a part of it. And he

779
00:36:32,559 --> 00:36:35,079
ends up writing to Tucson with Powers Booth and he says,

780
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:38,159
Powers Booth is hilarious. Just told stories the whole time,

781
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,360
told about how when they were shooting Extreme Prejudice he

782
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,639
lost the weekend with Nick Nolty. And when he says that,

783
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:48,760
he's like, I was. It was Friday afternoon. I was

784
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,800
going to his trailer to say bye, you know, have

785
00:36:51,840 --> 00:37:00,440
a good weekend, bye bye, well bye, And he says

786
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,039
in the next thing that I knew it was Monday morning.

787
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:04,639
They were knocking on the trailer door and he was.

788
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:06,079
Speaker 3: Up ready to go to this film again.

789
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,599
Speaker 4: Why does that not surprise me at all?

790
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: So Michael Bean arrives at the reading, right, they are

791
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,320
all there and tuson to do the reading together. He's

792
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,119
pretty much the whole cast is there, and he says

793
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,679
he and Bell Kilmer are sizing each other up from.

794
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: The get go, right, Yeah, but he says, I.

795
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,559
Speaker 2: Had not taken the time, or I hadn't found the

796
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,840
time to learn the correct pronunciation of the Latin, right,

797
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,960
he said, Val not only knew how to pronounce it,

798
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:35,960
he knew what it all meant. Ah, And he was like, yeah,

799
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,360
I'm losing this battle. And like as soon as he

800
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,320
has that thought, somebody projectile vomits all over the table.

801
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,639
Speaker 3: And reading it's over.

802
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: He's like, okay, I got some time to catch up here.

803
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,159
So at the beginning, Kurt Russell is saying, hey, this

804
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,599
is a great script, but it's too long. We need

805
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:58,840
to cut twenty pages of this, and Kevin Jarry was like, no,

806
00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,639
we're not going to cut it.

807
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: I've got this. This is my dream piece, this is

808
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,639
my whole life.

809
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let this happen, right, And what ends

810
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:09,119
up happening is Kevin Jarry is making like this john

811
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,679
Ford esque super long, stately and slow, old kind of

812
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,559
western right, and it sucks. Yeah, he's doing these long

813
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,039
shots and I mean not only long in time, but

814
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,840
like far away, so you don't have coverage, you can't

815
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,280
do good. You don't have your editing options to do this,

816
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:33,039
and so that's frustrating the producers. And then he is

817
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,400
being like My Way or the Highway to everybody, cast

818
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,559
and crew, and he's a first time director. This is

819
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:41,800
the first movie he's ever directed, and he's.

820
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:45,679
Speaker 4: Like, Kurt Russell, shut up, shut up, you can go

821
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,119
to him.

822
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: You think sorry. After like four weeks, everybody is despising

823
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,639
Kevin Jarry, and Michael Bean says, like, four weeks in,

824
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,679
I pull into my trailer. I'm like, listen, dude, Filmmaking

825
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,320
is a collaborative art, right, you can't just not listen

826
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,320
to everybody. But he said it was too late, fired

827
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,960
him on Friday, and so the last thing that he

828
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:14,079
sees is Kevin Jari with like this soul crushing look

829
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,159
on his face in the hotel with his bags packed

830
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:18,159
out the door.

831
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's fascinating, though I've never heard that story.

832
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:26,639
Speaker 2: So your original question, who directed it? Well, once this

833
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:27,960
is done, they don't even know if the movie's going

834
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,599
to keep going or not. Right, they've been shooting for

835
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,719
four weeks. They decide they're not going to use any

836
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,719
of Kevin Jarr's shots. They're going to start basically over

837
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,360
from scratch, and so Kurt Russell and one of the

838
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,239
producers named Jim Jacks, they get together and start working

839
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,800
on the script, and they cut out the twenty pages.

840
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,079
Speaker 3: And Kurt Russell has said, what.

841
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 2: I did to maintain the script and still cut out

842
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,920
these huge chunks was to cut my own part.

843
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.

844
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: But like Robert Burke, he was fifth built, like he

845
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:02,760
was built above Paxon and Sam Elliott. What. Yeah, but

846
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,440
you don't hear any lines from him because they cut

847
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,679
all of those parts, and so that became a little

848
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:10,719
bit strange. They brought in the guy we talked about

849
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,480
a little while ago, George Kaus Mottos, Huh, Well, people

850
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:18,559
just said he was a jackass, like he was overbearing.

851
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:22,480
They actually had to pay, like the studio had to

852
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:27,280
pay forty thousand dollars in fines because of his abusive conduct.

853
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:32,679
Michael Bean said he saw he saw this happen, like

854
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,079
when they were shooting the opening wedding party scene. Yes,

855
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,360
because Mottos says to one of the Hispanic extras standing

856
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,800
next to Michael Bean, tell that Mexican with the big

857
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,320
tis to take two steps forward.

858
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 4: This guy got in trouble.

859
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,639
Speaker 2: What are you talking about, right? Yeah, And he says

860
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,440
what has been said that is true is that he

861
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:59,679
didn't really direct this. Michael Bean said, he had said

862
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,360
three words to the guy. He said hello to him

863
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,480
at the beginning and at the end he said off

864
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,800
like it was not a good relationship that this guy

865
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,239
had with the cast. But Kurt Russell was really the

866
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,559
guy doing this stuff. If you look at the Wikipedia page,

867
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:16,039
you're not going to get this information.

868
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: What you're going to get.

869
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: From Wikipedia was I'm quoting here the new director brought

870
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,480
a demanding and hard nosed sensibility.

871
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he didn't.

872
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 4: This is fascinating.

873
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,079
Speaker 3: He was a jerk.

874
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 4: I really wanted you to say that, Michael Bean. His

875
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,039
last two words were well back.

876
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,559
Speaker 2: So when posed with the question of Michael Bean, he

877
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,360
was like, did Kurt Russell really direct this? And Michael

878
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,639
Bean said, well, he indirect me, And I don't mean

879
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:46,840
that insensitively.

880
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,119
Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's a bad guy.

881
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:51,199
Speaker 2: The film wouldn't have happened but for him getting involved

882
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,280
and taking over and leading, right, he said, But he

883
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,039
understood that we were all quality actors and he let

884
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:59,480
us do our job, and that's how this movie got made.

885
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 4: Cast of Tombstone is really I mean.

886
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: Super strong, it's top notch.

887
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you got Kurt Russell, you got Val Kilmer,

888
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,719
You've got Powers Booth and Michael Bean. You've got Dana Delaney.

889
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,119
You've got Stephen Lange, underrated bad.

890
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: Guy, Bill Paxson, Sam Elliott, Charlton Heston, Charlton Heston, Charlton

891
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,800
freaking Hasten. Oh, Johnny Ringo had a scene with Charlton

892
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,159
Helston's character Henry Huker, but it was filmed by Kevin Jari,

893
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,000
so they had to cut it.

894
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 4: Well, I got some names for you, okay. So the

895
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,840
cast is phenomenal, right, I mean the brothers, I mean

896
00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:36,800
Kurt Russell, Bill Paxon, Sam Elliott. I mean I believe

897
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,360
that those guys would walk down and club me with

898
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,280
the heel of their gun. You know, absolutely all right.

899
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,239
So one of the original thoughts about casting Doc Holliday. Yeah,

900
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,360
William Dafoe, that an entire how about that? You know

901
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,559
why he didn't get no? Because Buena Vista was too

902
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,920
scared because he had just kind of recently been in

903
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:01,159
Last Temptation of Christ. For those of you who hasn't

904
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,719
seen that or don't remember that, that was very controversial

905
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,400
movie about the life of Jesus. Right, Mickey Rourke was

906
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:12,280
discussed to play Johnny Ringo. Okay, at that time I

907
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,480
could see it. Maybe Robert Mitcham was supposed to be

908
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:18,320
old Man Clinton, like the Robert Mitcham.

909
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:20,519
Speaker 2: Right, well, Robert Mitcham was the one that had done

910
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:23,639
the narrating, right well, yeah, it was that was him

911
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:24,440
narrating the beginning.

912
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:26,679
Speaker 4: The reason why he's the narrator and not in it

913
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,559
is because he told off the horse and broke his back.

914
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: Oh gosh.

915
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,599
Speaker 4: H And also longtime Western actor Glenn Ford was supposed

916
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:37,440
to be Marshall White.

917
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: Hmmm.

918
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 4: I mean, you talk about Rob Mitcham and Glenn Ford

919
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:48,159
and Charlton heston the cast, freaking unbelievable. But I wanted

920
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:51,360
to point out Michael Bean and Bill Paxton had been

921
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,960
in the Lords of Discipline together. Yeah, and they had

922
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,119
also been in Terminator.

923
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: This is I'm gonna tell this story now. This is

924
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,039
actually the fifth movie that they were in together. Fifth, yeah,

925
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,880
he said. But Michael Bean said it was weird. They

926
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,920
would faction off like the Irpsy. The actors playing the

927
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,400
IRPs would go do their own thing, and the actors

928
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,679
playing the cowboys would go do their own They they

929
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,400
formed their own clicks. He's like, I've been in this

930
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,639
five movies with Bill Paxson and we barely spoke the

931
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,119
entire time, Like we had dinner one night and ended

932
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:24,480
it early.

933
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 4: That's crazy, man, that's crazy.

934
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: But I mean I can see it, like the I

935
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,199
can see the camaraderie of the Cowboys.

936
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: I can see the brotherly love of the IRPs. That

937
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:35,320
something to it, you know, hang out.

938
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Speaker 2: With the people that you're supposed to be close with

939
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,440
in the movie to create that yond.

940
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,199
Speaker 4: It's kind of like the Greasers and the Soshi, right,

941
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,119
the Jets and the Shark. So those five movies are

942
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:48,719
Lords of Discipline, Yeah, Terminator, Yeah, Aliens splashback to her

943
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:54,000
Aliens episode, Yeah, Navy Seals and Tombstone yeah boom. All right,

944
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:55,960
you ready talk cast on young Guns.

945
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,559
Speaker 2: So before we move on to the casting of young

946
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:01,320
Guns and Young Guns too, I got a couple of

947
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,559
interesting cast members for you. Are you ready for this?

948
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

949
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the part of Billy Claiborne in Tombstone played

950
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:12,159
by Wyatt Earth the Third. And I know you don't

951
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:16,159
know this because I asked you beforehand, Ed Ed Bailey

952
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,239
the guy at the beginning, Yes, why Ed? Does this

953
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:30,119
mean we are not friends. Yeah, played by mister frank Stallone.

954
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: I did not even recognize him.

955
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:34,679
Speaker 2: I know, right.

956
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,039
Speaker 3: I saw that and I was like, who was frank

957
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:37,679
Stallone in this?

958
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,079
Speaker 2: And I'm like him, I'm like, oh my gosh, if you,

959
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:42,920
you know, take away the feathered hair and you stick

960
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:43,679
a mustache on.

961
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, when you sus you said that, I'm like,

962
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:48,159
absolutely in a great part.

963
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,679
Speaker 3: This is a great job.

964
00:45:50,320 --> 00:46:00,559
Speaker 5: Que the More than Over music or Frank Stallone.

965
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,199
Speaker 2: All right, that's all I got.

966
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: That's all I got on a cast, so we can

967
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:06,440
keep going.

968
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 4: All right.

969
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: I will have to say, it's interesting that we just

970
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:12,639
did that and we did not talk about Dana Delaney

971
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:13,039
at all.

972
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,559
Speaker 4: Let's hey, okay, let's talk about Dan Lane.

973
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: Okay. Now, remember this part was supposed to go to

974
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:22,599
Kevin Jerry's girlfriend Lisa's name. Obviously that didn't happen. They

975
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,320
mixed that idea.

976
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:29,559
Speaker 4: Okay, you have Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Charlton Asta, Yeah,

977
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:33,440
Stephen Lane, Powers Booth, Michael Ban, Bill Pass. The cast

978
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:37,280
was outstanding. What do you think about Dan Delaney?

979
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 2: So what i I'm I'm reading, I'm going back to

980
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:45,519
when I texted you. Okay, So so last night at

981
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,000
I'm sorry. This morning at two of five am, I

982
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:53,519
texted you, I'm really thankful for the love story parts

983
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,760
of Tombstone, so that I know when I can get

984
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,719
up to leave and get something to eat or look

985
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,880
up something on IMDb. Awful.

986
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 4: The love story I told you is really an anchor

987
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,440
around the neck of Tombstone.

988
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: It really is.

989
00:47:08,639 --> 00:47:13,559
Speaker 4: It doesn't sink the movie, but it drags. I don't

990
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:15,000
think they have any chemistry at all.

991
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:18,599
Speaker 2: I'm in the I'm in the kitchen microwaving, and I'm like, better, look,

992
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:22,480
it's still not over. I got I got out on

993
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:26,480
her stage performance. I got out on the accidental meeting

994
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:27,679
as they're riding horses.

995
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,519
Speaker 4: So I saved myself the agony of that. By the way,

996
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,320
we forgot to mention Billy zaying yeah, and Jason Priestley Jason.

997
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: Priestley what, Yeah, So Jason Priestley, there's something there. I'm

998
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,599
gonna touch that real quick since she s brought it up.

999
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: So Jason Priestley was friends with the cowboys and had

1000
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,519
gotten deputized by the sheriff right right, Well, his character

1001
00:47:47,679 --> 00:47:51,760
is Billy Breckinridge. Billy Breckinridge wrote a book about white art,

1002
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,639
and it was not a flattering book like it was

1003
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,599
the other side, and his widow did everything she could

1004
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:00,360
to stop it, but it became one of the most

1005
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,920
famous books about Wyatt Arp and it was not a

1006
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,519
rosy colored picture of him. Woo yeah wow.

1007
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,199
Speaker 4: Back to Dana Delaney, Yes, sorry, okay, they gave us

1008
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,519
nothing with her. You and I talked.

1009
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,119
Speaker 2: About there's no passion at all in this thing, no

1010
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:18,519
passion at all. And you've got a little bit of

1011
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,039
like sexiness when she's in there taking the photograph.

1012
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,639
Speaker 4: Is there sexiness?

1013
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 2: You have a little bit of an attempt at sexiness

1014
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,159
whenever she's in there taking the photograph right before the

1015
00:48:29,159 --> 00:48:30,840
shootout at the OK Corral.

1016
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 4: Which let's just talk about. Yeah, to me, that was

1017
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,400
very interesting that actually happened.

1018
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like she's in that dark lacy thing. Yes,

1019
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:41,480
you sent me a picture today.

1020
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:43,519
Speaker 4: You can look it up on the internet. Yes, you

1021
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,079
get better look of Josie Erp than you do Dan

1022
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,840
de Delaney, absolutely, And Josie Rp was bringing the heat

1023
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,360
back then many a woman.

1024
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 3: I can see why he was like distracted, was sure, yeah, sure.

1025
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 4: So Dana Delaney can be sexy in this movie so

1026
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,159
much nothing now nothing.

1027
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,679
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, we're gonna have to stop now. We will

1028
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,480
come back next week for part two of Tombstone Versus

1029
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,639
Young Guns one and two. Be sure to tune in

1030
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,039
hit your subscribe button so that you don't miss the

1031
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:16,280
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1032
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,559
into some of the coolest facts behind each business.

1033
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Speaker 4: When we come back, Hell's coming with us. You don't

1034
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:25,519
help come in with me.