Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to episode eighty eight of Game Spot
Speaker 1: after Dark Game Spots Official video game podcast. I'm your
Speaker 1: host Jake Decker, and joining me this week is Lucy
Speaker 1: James Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: He's saying, only podcast standing up now.
Speaker 1: Actually got a I just I just ordered a stand
Speaker 1: up desk, and I'm very excited to stand up. For
Speaker 1: what it will be, I don't know, but here's the pro tip.
Speaker 2: Make sure or if you can get yourself either a
Speaker 2: map to stand on or a you can get these
Speaker 2: balanced boards which are real good, Like they very slightly
Speaker 2: off the ground and they just activate your legs and
Speaker 2: you're to keep it kind of moving. Otherwise, even stand
Speaker 2: in place software all can be bad because you're not
Speaker 2: actually moving around. He just planted, So it's good to
Speaker 2: have those boards. It kind of like micro trains your
Speaker 2: feet and your muscles around your legs.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I ordered I think they're called uplift desks maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know. You sent me the link. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was like you can buy extra you buy extra
Speaker 1: stuff for it, and one of the extra things was
Speaker 1: a hammock you can put under it, which it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I hey, that'd be kind of cool. But
Speaker 1: also like when everyone's working from home, I don't really
Speaker 1: need a hammock under my desk. You know, it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: I got my bed over here.
Speaker 3: Just speaks to mine who's never had a hammock under
Speaker 3: his desk.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah I haven't.
Speaker 3: When are you missing out?
Speaker 1: Also joining us is Jean luck Syke.
Speaker 4: Hello. I didn't want to speak until you said my name.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the podcast rules and I must follow.
Speaker 1: It until.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about hammock Sunday a desk?
Speaker 4: I would love that if I could. My underneath my
Speaker 4: desk is a horror fine rats mest of cables, so
Speaker 4: I could kind of make a hammock out of them
Speaker 4: if I wanted to sleep.
Speaker 1: In that a cable hammock. That doesn't sound good. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like I'm just watching monitors and
Speaker 1: computers tip over and cameras falling over.
Speaker 3: I have. Twenty nineteen, I traveled a lot, like I
Speaker 3: did three trips back to the UK, I went to Japan.
Speaker 3: I did a couple of other things, and I bought
Speaker 3: a hammock for airplanes for about ten dollars from Amazon,
Speaker 3: and you can attach it under the the table rest
Speaker 3: thing in front of you and you can just like
Speaker 3: you have your feet up, and if you've got a
Speaker 3: spare chair next to you, which were a couple of
Speaker 3: the flights I did, you can kind of lean off
Speaker 3: to the side and just put your feet up a bit.
Speaker 3: Just top tip ten dollars.
Speaker 1: There are a few things better than getting on a
Speaker 1: flight and realizing that no one is sitting next to you,
Speaker 1: or even better, you have a lot of legroom, like
Speaker 1: you're in that weird space between cabins and you just
Speaker 1: have a lot of legroom. It's the best thing, especially
Speaker 1: a special legs are as long as mine.
Speaker 2: Every now and then, like something travels around like Twitter
Speaker 2: or read It or any other like pop culture website,
Speaker 2: which is someone doing something new and horrifying on a plane.
Speaker 2: Remember a little while ago, it was the one of
Speaker 2: people who could like lock people's seats ahead of them
Speaker 2: from reclining or something like that by putting something on it,
Speaker 2: so it's like you could deny them that. That was
Speaker 2: like messed up. The other day, I saw an image
Speaker 2: of some lady sitting in her chair, and she has
Speaker 2: very long hair. But what she had done is she
Speaker 2: had draped the hair over the back of her chair.
Speaker 2: So if the person behind that person is looking at
Speaker 2: her hair, that's coming over. I was like, that is
Speaker 2: genuinely opened the plane door in the air and ejected persons.
Speaker 2: That is horrifying.
Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna talk about that weird video where
Speaker 3: it's like the girl licking something off a toilet seats.
Speaker 1: That I saw. Yeah, don't see that one. Don't think
Speaker 1: I want to see that one either.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Hammockcast.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say big big hank scorpio vibes from
Speaker 3: us at the minute.
Speaker 1: Well, before we get into what we've been playing, I've
Speaker 1: should probably let everyone know that this is my last
Speaker 1: episode of Game Spot after Dark. It has been an
Speaker 1: incredible ride.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like someone and everyone is slowly leaving. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well wait what no?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I've been a game Spot for
Speaker 1: six years now. It is It's long been my dream job.
Speaker 1: It still is in some respect, Like I wake up
Speaker 1: in the morning and can't believe that I not only
Speaker 1: made it here but was able to spend six years
Speaker 1: in games media. I mean, especially considering how much games
Speaker 1: media has changed in the six years I've been here.
Speaker 1: Add on the fact that how much it's changed in
Speaker 1: the last ten fifteen years. It's just it's absolutely wild
Speaker 1: to me. I feel so blessed and so fortunate to
Speaker 1: have worked with all you wonderful people right now and
Speaker 1: over the years. It has just been incredible, and of
Speaker 1: course all the people listening like this show in particular.
Speaker 1: It was a work of love and passion. It's something
Speaker 1: that you know, when I started at GameSpot, like we
Speaker 1: kind of dabbled in podcasts a little bit. We used
Speaker 1: to have podcasts, but we kind of stopped, and it's
Speaker 1: something that I wanted to do for the longest time,
Speaker 1: but I didn't really have the not necessarily the clout,
Speaker 1: but maybe the experience under my belt to or the wait,
Speaker 1: I guess to like push around to get something like
Speaker 1: this started. So when it started, it was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, probably one of my favorite things I've done here,
Speaker 1: and I'm very happy we made it to eighty eight uppisodes.
Speaker 1: I think I think that might be a record for
Speaker 1: GameSpot podcasts as of now.
Speaker 2: GameSpot podcasts, Yeah in the post, so there's two eras well.
Speaker 2: GameSpot has officially had two solid podcasts now the Hot
Speaker 2: Spots back in the day, which went for way more
Speaker 2: than aya podcasts. But many times people have tried to
Speaker 2: make podcasts happen since the hot spot and they just
Speaker 2: haven't done it. So Jake is the first person to
Speaker 2: successfully get a long running GameSpot podcast off the ground.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't just me. I had a lot of
Speaker 1: help from you guys, Lucy and John Luke in particular,
Speaker 1: and Peter Brown was a big help in the early
Speaker 1: days as well. Unfortunately, I was trying to kill it
Speaker 1: every step of the way.
Speaker 3: Peter Brown unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Didn't like it. No no, no, he was. He was
Speaker 1: pushing for it as well. But I feel like once
Speaker 1: we got it started and like kind of got the
Speaker 1: ball really rolling, he had moved on to Sony, But
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's something that, like, I'm like, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't exist also without the people who are listening to it, obviously,
Speaker 1: like all you folks at home who are listening every week,
Speaker 1: sending us questions, chiming in on the discord and whatnot,
Speaker 1: Like all that stuff means the world to me and
Speaker 1: all the folks here. I don't know what's happening with
Speaker 1: GameSpot after Dirk. I imagine it'll still be here, But
Speaker 1: I'm kind of going to pass the torch to Lucy
Speaker 1: and Jean Luke and Timore, and I imagine Michael will
Speaker 1: probably be on a lot more, which should be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun.
Speaker 2: It's still from kind of funny that time host.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's definitely going to continue. It's just
Speaker 3: obviously going to have a Jake shaped hole in it,
Speaker 3: but there's always the door.
Speaker 2: It's going to be what's that game show total wipe
Speaker 2: out where the wall is coming at them with the
Speaker 2: hole in it and they have to make the.
Speaker 3: Oh wait, is that not just called hole in the wall?
Speaker 2: Mightbe hold in the wall, but it's going to be
Speaker 2: Jake shaped hole. Every every person who comes from this
Speaker 2: point on is going to try to fit in a
Speaker 2: shape that is you, and they will always fail and
Speaker 2: get pushing platform.
Speaker 1: I'm taller than what a lot of people think.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. That's the problem.
Speaker 3: When you were talking about saying that you've got a
Speaker 3: standing desk, your posture is so good and you're so tall,
Speaker 3: I kind of always thought you had a standing desk.
Speaker 1: Oh, my posture is not good at least it's not like.
Speaker 3: More looking here, it's like you look like you're standing.
Speaker 1: Oh that's because I've got this thing back here. It
Speaker 1: keeps going back straight. That's a Richard tip. I saw
Speaker 1: him using it and I was like hunched over my
Speaker 1: desk like this, and I was like, hey, Richard, where'd
Speaker 1: you get that? And He's like, I just ordered a
Speaker 1: ball off Amazon and deflated it for like four dollars.
Speaker 2: Okay, Richard's that's as well. It's like it's got a
Speaker 2: humidifier insects burning.
Speaker 3: He's like, compared to the rest of us, he's got
Speaker 3: the best ergonomics I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: He's like his his his desk is in many ways
Speaker 2: is a tempole. Like you go in there and there's
Speaker 2: like KOI pond underneath his desk.
Speaker 1: See, I don't need a coil pond. I just want
Speaker 1: to like stand up straight. I don't want to shrink down.
Speaker 1: And I felt like that was happening, especially because this
Speaker 1: chair that I have isn't the best, and this desk
Speaker 1: isn't the best. Like it's not a real desk. It's
Speaker 1: like a picnic table with a thing over it. Because
Speaker 1: I needed room for monitors and these giant new systems
Speaker 1: and the camp I don't know anyway, anyway, that's the plan.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna right when this ends, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: wipe everything off my desk in one swoop and then
Speaker 1: I don't be it. I'm just kidding. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do that. I don't want anything to happen. Some of
Speaker 1: it I have to return. I don't want my PlayStation
Speaker 1: five to be damaged because if anything happens that, I
Speaker 1: won't be able to get one in a decade, it
Speaker 1: seems so. Yeah, anyway, let's move on to what we
Speaker 1: can play. Lucy, do you want to kick us off here? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So I haven't really Actually, why have I written these
Speaker 3: down when I could talk about the movie that I saw?
Speaker 1: I'mzilla I did? Wait? Was that it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, I saw that too last night.
Speaker 3: So I've been playing through Persona five while I finally
Speaker 3: finished The Casino Palace. I got through all that stuff,
Speaker 3: and I've just started on the Boat Palace. I took
Speaker 3: a bit of a hiatus from it, but now I'm
Speaker 3: back baby, still playing through Discolsium. I finished It Takes
Speaker 3: two with a friend of the pod, Simoncarty. We finally
Speaker 3: he called me out on the ign UK podcast last week.
Speaker 2: He basically issued sounded very bitter as well.
Speaker 3: I felt so bad because I have been really busy
Speaker 3: this week and last week, sorry, and I hadn't been
Speaker 3: able to play with him, and he he calls me
Speaker 3: out on the podcast. I was like, how dare you?
Speaker 3: So we put time together, got some time on Sunday
Speaker 3: and finished it. I really enjoyed it. I still can't
Speaker 3: believe how inventive it is when it comes to its
Speaker 3: boss fights. I also can't believe that it's so detailed,
Speaker 3: like every new section has new mechanics and just a
Speaker 3: buttload of detail like ever in all the environments. And
Speaker 3: it was just very cool, very fun experience. And now
Speaker 3: I'm playing through it with Zach, but I'm playing through
Speaker 3: as the other character, so I gets to see try
Speaker 3: out the other side of that. But I saw Godzilla
Speaker 3: versus Calm with Tam and a couple of other people
Speaker 3: who rented out of cinema, so there was I think
Speaker 3: eight people in an entire cinema masks on the whole time.
Speaker 4: Wait it just how much does that cost? Fifteen dollars
Speaker 4: cheaper than a normal ticket.
Speaker 3: Cheaper than a normal ticket. It was hard, it.
Speaker 2: Was normally was it cheaper? It was also dying.
Speaker 3: Somebody here, is this a bit.
Speaker 1: Or you choking actually dying if you say, goes through, Carl,
Speaker 1: I'm going to end this car.
Speaker 2: It's also safer, like way safer, And it was like
Speaker 2: a way more pleasant.
Speaker 4: Experience when you get a whole road to yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no one in that entire screen except
Speaker 2: people we knew, and even then, because it was dark,
Speaker 2: people we knew couldn't figure out who we were until
Speaker 2: after the movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just like, we're nowhere near any anyone else.
Speaker 3: But it was it was so weird to be back
Speaker 3: in a cinema. But I had I was, you know,
Speaker 3: masclar on the whole time, like I said, because still
Speaker 3: even though it's like obviously people you know and whatever
Speaker 3: and you're still spread apart, I didn't want to. I'm
Speaker 3: still very nervous. I can't wait to get on a
Speaker 3: plane time. I just actually looked and the time and
Speaker 3: I go back to the UK for a little bit.
Speaker 3: I just saw through visa stuff and the section that
Speaker 3: we're sat in still very very empty, so all good,
Speaker 3: But the rest of the plane is very very busy,
Speaker 3: so oh no. Yeah, but Godzilla versus Calm, I have
Speaker 3: not seen Godzilla King of the Monsters. However, my partner
Speaker 3: is a very big Godzilla fan, like he Godzilla's his boy.
Speaker 3: He's seen every movie, He's got the special edition Blu Rays.
Speaker 3: I bought him a Godzilla poster by if you ever
Speaker 3: seen the artist Attack Peter who did this incredible run
Speaker 3: of Godzilla Prince, and I bought him one of those
Speaker 3: last year. He loved Godzilla, and my first of a
Speaker 3: Godzilla movie that I saw, I saw the twenty fourteen
Speaker 3: sixteen one whenever that.
Speaker 1: One came out, twenty fourteen, towenty fourteen, twenty fourteen, twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one, for all of the monster
Speaker 1: movies that led up to Godzilla the.
Speaker 3: Monster Universe, and I remember enjoying it. I don't even
Speaker 3: think I even saw the Matthew Broderck one when I
Speaker 3: was a kid.
Speaker 1: That's good.
Speaker 3: Deeperonogram bit of Jamericua. Love it. But he very kindly
Speaker 3: explained everything that happened in Godzilla kingd the Mosters before
Speaker 3: we went in, so I felt like I had a
Speaker 3: greater understanding, but I still felt like I missed, just
Speaker 3: like a huge amount Kong I've seen Skull Island enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: This is a King Kong movie. This is not a
Speaker 3: Godzilla movie. Is barely in it.
Speaker 2: This is American propaganda. That's why it is American propaganda,
Speaker 2: because the way that movie.
Speaker 3: Unfolds, it's a sad dag is it's the first thing.
Speaker 2: It's a sad dang movie. But they like they are
Speaker 2: puppeteering that. So King Kong, who represents the fragile American ego,
Speaker 2: isn't hurt too bad because everyone knows Godzilla ships on
Speaker 2: King Kong from a height like them.
Speaker 1: It's made it much bigger too, Yeah, King Kong.
Speaker 2: It should not be that size.
Speaker 4: Scales the Empire State Building and like Godzilla is the
Speaker 4: Empire State Building.
Speaker 2: Also, Godzilla has nuclear breath and can fire nuclear lasers.
Speaker 2: It's nukillar and.
Speaker 1: Got an as.
Speaker 4: He's got an ax though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I didn't realize until Zach explained to me
Speaker 3: that the axe is actually made out of a bit
Speaker 3: of a Godzilla. Yeah, it's a bit of a Kaiju.
Speaker 3: I didn't get that at all.
Speaker 1: I just like the thinking, they're like, how can we
Speaker 1: even the plane field here? Godzilla is clearly stronger. I know,
Speaker 1: let's give him an AX, that'll be fine.
Speaker 3: But he needs he needs. Yeah, the ax stuff was cool.
Speaker 3: The so the thing I really loved about is like
Speaker 3: every time Kong and Godzilla respectively, were on screen, I
Speaker 3: was like, yes, I'm into this. I thought the human
Speaker 3: stuff with Kong, the sad dad part of the movie
Speaker 3: with the little kid and the researchers had no idea
Speaker 3: what Alexander Scarsgard was doing there or what his qualifications
Speaker 3: were because he gets up to some mad shit. That
Speaker 3: that part was good. That was a great movie. And
Speaker 3: then the conspiracy theory side of it happened. I was like,
Speaker 3: what the hell is it? So there is a guy
Speaker 3: who runs a com essentially a conspiracy podcast all about Apex.
Speaker 3: Who's the evil people in this, like this Apex corporation.
Speaker 3: He's like reporting from the front lines and he you know,
Speaker 3: talking about the impact of Kaiju and of Kong and whatever,
Speaker 3: and he's like they're up to something, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Millie Bobby Brown's character, so her mum was a baddie
Speaker 3: in the second movie or something like, oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: she was in there.
Speaker 1: Conspiracy stuff like didn't mean any car.
Speaker 3: That even I don't know why they did, like because
Speaker 3: she as a as a teenager, just tracks down this
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory guy and then for some reason, well the
Speaker 3: only reason is because they can't just have a teenage
Speaker 3: girl go and meet a grown man that she's met
Speaker 3: on the internet. So Ricky Baker, well, god, I wish
Speaker 3: I knew backed his name. Ricky Baker from Hunt from
Speaker 3: the Wilder People is there does nothing, and it's so
Speaker 3: weird because the tonal shift is like all the stuff
Speaker 3: with Kong is like, just leave Kong alone. He just
Speaker 3: wants to live. He wants to find his home, his family, yeah, home,
Speaker 3: and then the stuff with the conspiracy theory, it's like
Speaker 3: everything is equip and I it's the fucking Joss Whedon
Speaker 3: effect and I hate it and I'd be sorried to
Speaker 3: invoke the name Whedon, but like, not everything needs to
Speaker 3: be equip or it's just exhausting. And that was like
Speaker 3: this huge fucking pendulum shift in tone and it was terrible.
Speaker 3: It made no sense, but everything else in the movie
Speaker 3: was great. So it's like if you just cut them out,
Speaker 3: it would be so good.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say I don't understand people, like I
Speaker 2: don't understand me Bobby Brown like awful in almost everything
Speaker 2: I've seen, like even Stranger Things. I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Like, you don't understand what she's saying, or you don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand why, Like which, why why are
Speaker 2: people so like into this like a Stranger Things, fine, whatever,
Speaker 2: But in these Godzilla movies absolutely awful. I get out terrible.
Speaker 4: I just find it.
Speaker 3: I just found the characterization really.
Speaker 2: Really I mean weird.
Speaker 3: And it's like May Bobby Brown is I mean good
Speaker 3: for her, like she's a millionaire and like she's also British.
Speaker 2: I think, oh, I take all that back, all.
Speaker 3: Of it done well for herself. But I just think
Speaker 3: that character is just.
Speaker 2: Like that's what I'm saying, like, just get rid of
Speaker 2: that character. Take get rid of Uncle you're famous as.
Speaker 3: Well, Uncle you're famous.
Speaker 4: The only character because I would love for them to
Speaker 4: like make a movie that just doesn't have any like
Speaker 4: human main characters. Well you could have humans in the movie,
Speaker 4: but just like.
Speaker 3: I don't know, show them screaming and running away.
Speaker 4: Or you know, responding to the threat. Like but it's
Speaker 4: just like I it's like they can't trust the audience
Speaker 4: to just like joy the monsters being monsters.
Speaker 1: That is one of the good things about this movie, though,
Speaker 1: at least compared to the Godzilla twenty fourteen Godzilla, this
Speaker 1: King of Monsters I don't I don't remember what they're called,
Speaker 1: is that this one is more focused on the fighting
Speaker 1: of the giant monsters than the other ones. So I
Speaker 1: mean when I watched that movie, I like checked out
Speaker 1: during all of the human stuff. Like I look over
Speaker 1: and be like, ah, now they're in Hong Kong for
Speaker 1: some reason. Yeah, it's okay. But but then like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the scene changes and like you get
Speaker 1: this ultra wide shot of the city and king Or
Speaker 1: and that Godzilla is like swimming through the water and
Speaker 1: you see his you see his scales sticking up or
Speaker 1: his spine sticking up, and you're like, all right, let's go.
Speaker 1: And the fights are fun. And they they fixed that
Speaker 1: thing that the last Godzilla had where everything was like
Speaker 1: really rainy and dark, so you like it was hard
Speaker 1: to see the fights. And this is just like we're
Speaker 1: gonna make it sunny all the time, even if it's
Speaker 1: getting close tonight, Like next scene is going to be
Speaker 1: during the day, just so you can watch them fighting
Speaker 1: the day and like all the shots are really far
Speaker 1: away and like the scale is really cool.
Speaker 3: But then Neon it looked really cool, like Neon. I
Speaker 3: mean this one shot where's all this neon coming through
Speaker 3: fog and just lighting them up and it just looks
Speaker 3: really really good.
Speaker 2: Have you John, Look? Have you seen Shane Godzilla?
Speaker 4: I haven't. I actually been meaning to watch it. Is
Speaker 4: that basically what I'm looking for?
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's got people in it where the
Speaker 2: people are basically office workers and scientists trying to figure
Speaker 2: out how they stop Godzilla. But it's not like army ship.
Speaker 2: It's like a bunch of pencil pushers, point dexters trying
Speaker 2: to be like, what what is this thing? And they're like,
Speaker 2: from a distance, going it looks like it can do this,
Speaker 2: this and this. Maybe if we tried this, and then
Speaker 2: Godzilla is like no, fuck you, and then you're like,
Speaker 2: oh god, We've got to figure out this. And it
Speaker 2: is like the best Godzilla film there is.
Speaker 3: That's another one that I've seen with Zach and it
Speaker 3: starts off and it's also it's way goofier than you
Speaker 3: would expect.
Speaker 2: It's also it's also directed by what's.
Speaker 4: His name again, Stephen gilling right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely, so it's it's and he just reuses
Speaker 2: the soundtrack, saying that there's the entire songs that you're like, Yep,
Speaker 2: this is the Evengelian soundtrack straight up and it's phenomenal. Like,
Speaker 2: I can't recommend that it's on I think it's on Amazon,
Speaker 2: and I think it's on YouTube as well, but make
Speaker 2: sure when you rent it, you rent the Japanese one,
Speaker 2: because there's an English one and a Japanese one.
Speaker 4: Oh, they do that thing where it's like two separate down.
Speaker 2: Two different products. Like that film is a straight up
Speaker 2: like incredible banger. And also like there's a there's like
Speaker 2: versions of Godzilla, and one of them is the dirtiest
Speaker 2: the Godzilla.
Speaker 4: That I've seen.
Speaker 2: You've seen they his eyes are looking to different way
Speaker 2: really is like wiggling his booty is the best.
Speaker 3: He is an icon. I want to get a figure
Speaker 3: of him from my desk.
Speaker 2: Trying to quick though this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like whoa, yeah, it's so funny to me because
Speaker 5: in Godzilla vers is that Godzilla his face is like
Speaker 5: so tidy.
Speaker 3: And they basically show these shots where he does the
Speaker 3: Paddington hard stare into the camera but it's Godzilla and
Speaker 3: his face is so tidy that it's like, oh, he's
Speaker 3: so cute.
Speaker 2: But yeah, go team Godilla for life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I kind of liked that it
Speaker 1: was a movie about Kong in a sense, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought that was like a good way
Speaker 1: to kind of blend in the human story to it.
Speaker 1: But it still doesn't really solve the fact that I
Speaker 1: didn't like the human story and I just wanted monsters fighting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at least from the outside from what you guys
Speaker 4: have described, it sounds like, yeah, I would I would
Speaker 4: have for like, you just make Kong the main character
Speaker 4: because like I mean, look compared to like Godzilla, I
Speaker 4: don't think I think you can. Kong works as a
Speaker 4: more empathetic like character you can relate to because he's
Speaker 4: you know, he's an ape and more expressive. So like
Speaker 4: I think it sounds like making him the main character works.
Speaker 4: But then yeah, it's like just get just.
Speaker 2: Get that stuff with the little girl is good, Like
Speaker 2: I think she's the human stuff is there's a little
Speaker 2: girl who connects with Kong.
Speaker 4: Well that's always like that's always what I think Kong, like, like,
Speaker 4: Kong is a character like, you know, he always has
Speaker 4: like the woman that he needs to you know, protect
Speaker 4: and stuff. So having that element in there, I assume
Speaker 4: it is probably pretty important to like Kong identity as
Speaker 4: a character.
Speaker 2: The k to be clear that the movie is fun
Speaker 2: and it's worth for It's very fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the one.
Speaker 3: The last thing I'll say is that there is a
Speaker 3: female character in it who is immediately set up to
Speaker 3: be the bitch. And she she says stuff like I'm
Speaker 3: just here to keep you on track, and she says
Speaker 3: like other just god awful, cringe and shit like that,
Speaker 3: and I just I just want to say to any screenwriter,
Speaker 3: you can do better than women can be assertive, but
Speaker 3: they do not need to be a caricature like she was.
Speaker 2: They clearly, they clearly wanted that character to be a villain,
Speaker 2: and they didn't do any of the like new Ones
Speaker 2: intelligent work to make a villains. But they were like,
Speaker 2: how can we make people hate her immediately? And they
Speaker 2: just did that. Also, like they cut to Lance Riddick
Speaker 2: who says one line and then yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 2: do is he literally he looks like he They pushed
Speaker 2: him into the room and said say something and he
Speaker 2: went okay, and then they leave him. I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: he's in the openings.
Speaker 1: In the opening, it just like cuts to him at
Speaker 1: one point and he's like he's like okay, my gods
Speaker 1: all and then it just like I was like, wait
Speaker 1: what and then it just moves on line.
Speaker 2: I wonder you never see him again.
Speaker 4: Friends with the director and the director was like, get
Speaker 4: a camerao.
Speaker 1: And so apparently he has been in other movies with
Speaker 1: this direction. Learned that through Uh I watched Red Letter
Speaker 1: Media's review. I've talked about that, so I so I
Speaker 1: imagine that's why I was in it, But like I
Speaker 1: wish he had because he's such a great actor that
Speaker 1: doesn't get enough screen time. I feel like in a
Speaker 1: lot of things.
Speaker 2: Also, they were like big edits to the movie and
Speaker 2: the script, well you.
Speaker 3: Can you can tell. So my one of my favorite
Speaker 3: things that I've ever learned about the movie making process
Speaker 3: is how to look at credits and so if it's
Speaker 3: something like if there's an and, if there's an amand,
Speaker 3: it means the two writers work together. If it's an
Speaker 3: and that's been rewritten by an extra person. So that's
Speaker 3: how you can tell apart it's either I can't rememb
Speaker 3: which way around the and and the ampersand is. But
Speaker 3: it's like that's the way you tell. And this one
Speaker 3: had two people working together to write the script and
Speaker 3: then it had someone else to rewrite it, and I
Speaker 3: feel like that's where the two two years gone.
Speaker 1: I know. Also, like a lot of it is in
Speaker 1: contracts too, Like depending on what your contract is determines
Speaker 1: if you're going to be above the line or below
Speaker 1: the line. And if you're in the opening credits, you're
Speaker 1: above the line. And I imagine I don't know whoever
Speaker 1: his agent is is like, yeah, he'll he'll say that line,
Speaker 1: just put him in the beginning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I was gonna say, like, that's
Speaker 3: why Game of Thrones, which is weirdly back in the
Speaker 3: news this week because it's been ten years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, Skyrin is going to be ten years old too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, So this was an issue that they would
Speaker 3: have and I remember, in particular, a certain character who
Speaker 3: you believe is dead gets revealed that he's not only alive,
Speaker 3: but is back as a character because he's in the
Speaker 3: main opening credits, And it is like a union thing
Speaker 3: that they have to be credited in such a way,
Speaker 3: and I was like, remember I remember tweeting at the time.
Speaker 3: I was like, if you don't want this huge things,
Speaker 3: but I will just fucking skip the opening credits.
Speaker 1: Should be skipping the opening credits anyway. It's good, But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm excited for the Snyder cut
Speaker 1: of this film, the four hour, the Zilla cut.
Speaker 3: I still haven't seen it, but like.
Speaker 1: I heard, you want to Honestly, I heard in the
Speaker 1: the Snyder cut, Godzilla has a lot more screen time.
Speaker 1: It's more about him. And they also had a lot
Speaker 1: of Mathraa in there too that they just cut. They
Speaker 1: just left on the floor.
Speaker 2: And it's like a lot of slow mode shots of Godzilla.
Speaker 1: It's also for three too.
Speaker 3: The only thing, the only bit of the Snider cut
Speaker 3: I've actually seen is the hot dog scene with the Flash,
Speaker 3: and that just makes me want to watch it.
Speaker 2: It's atrocious that scene. It's like Flash goes from being like, oh,
Speaker 2: this guy is uh, this guy's kind of quirky to
Speaker 2: being like, no, this guy's wrong, and he's like touching
Speaker 2: that girl who he's literally met a minute ago in
Speaker 2: a very creepy way. It's very weird.
Speaker 1: And then she disappears that.
Speaker 2: Because she was clearly meant to be in it more
Speaker 2: and I expect she'll be in the next movie because
Speaker 2: she's she's a key character that next. But Snyder cut,
Speaker 2: I had a lot of fun watching it. If you
Speaker 2: are able to alter your mind state in a fun
Speaker 2: way and watch it, it's.
Speaker 1: Sean Luke does not seem impressed.
Speaker 2: Watch the Snyder cut.
Speaker 4: That's not I like, I take edibles with everything. You
Speaker 4: gotta give me something stronger if I'm gonna watch the
Speaker 4: Snyder cut.
Speaker 2: Watch the great Yeah, honestly that it works in a
Speaker 2: way that there's just enough stupid things that you want
Speaker 2: to have some level of awareness and the ability to
Speaker 2: process something so you can laugh and then assess why
Speaker 2: it was ship. But by the end of it, you'll
Speaker 2: be like, you know what, I kind of enjoyed that
Speaker 2: I was one.
Speaker 3: That's all I want from stuff at the minutes. Have fun.
Speaker 2: It's good fun. I watched it in one setting, and
Speaker 2: there's a very few things that will compel me to
Speaker 2: stay there for four hours, but that one strung me
Speaker 2: along just enough with some fun ship that was like,
Speaker 2: I'm into this also, like it is.
Speaker 4: Very iron rand, like oh he is a Snyder is
Speaker 4: a huge Iron Rand fan.
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, he's massively Iron Randy and like he's a
Speaker 2: huge fan of that, and it is so clear, it
Speaker 2: is so good.
Speaker 4: Apparently it's like dream movie is to make like The Fountainhead.
Speaker 4: I think it's the fountain Head. Oh boy, yeah it is, yeah,
Speaker 4: And I was like really, like that's the like can
Speaker 4: you imagine like all the Snyder fans who are like
Speaker 4: into like his like you know, big spectacle like slow mo,
Speaker 4: and they all go watch The fountain Head four hours
Speaker 4: fountain Head.
Speaker 3: That objectivist literature.
Speaker 4: When you when you try to read.
Speaker 2: When you know is like proclivity for Ryan Randy and
Speaker 2: kind of like thinking you understand why his movies are
Speaker 2: are the way they are is very much why he frames,
Speaker 2: why he frames characters certain ways, and why certain characters
Speaker 2: have absolutely no depth and are almost like cast aside
Speaker 2: for other characters. It's because some characters fit into that
Speaker 2: view and others don't, and the ones that don't get
Speaker 2: chucked aside. Sorry Cyborg. In the original cut and.
Speaker 3: In this cut, but even in this cuts got way
Speaker 3: actually good because I was reading the Hollywood Reporter stuff
Speaker 3: about him, about his the actors experiences, ray Fish's experiences
Speaker 3: on the Justice League, and it sounds like a fucking
Speaker 3: first of all disgrace but also an absolute nightmare. And
Speaker 3: like all this stuff, the other stuff is becoming about,
Speaker 3: like reggae, John Page and the Crypton stuff, because like
Speaker 3: he was going to be Superman's Black Superman's grandfather, but
Speaker 3: they refused him because he was black. So that's like,
Speaker 3: this is all this big Hollywood report.
Speaker 2: I was like, the cyberwork stuff is infinitely better in
Speaker 2: this and the character is way interesting, but he also
Speaker 2: gets used for the same kind of like worldview. Also,
Speaker 2: have you seen that clip or that article about his
Speaker 2: the Cyborg catchphrase that they had an entire meeting about
Speaker 2: the use of the word boo yah? Yeah, teen Titan
Speaker 2: Cyborg is saying boo yah all the time, and it's
Speaker 2: like iconic. The minute I.
Speaker 1: Hear a production company have a meeting about whether or
Speaker 1: not a character should watch a or say a catchphrase,
Speaker 1: I immediately just lose interest. It's probably a big reason
Speaker 1: why I'm not super into the Marvel movies anymore, just
Speaker 1: because every scene I just picture someone in a meeting
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, here's what we have, Like on a
Speaker 1: white worms like no, just let the writers write please love.
Speaker 4: To bear on a fly on the wall in that meeting, Like,
Speaker 4: I hope somebody, somebody, some intern in there, like recorded
Speaker 4: the whole thing and has it somewhere.
Speaker 1: I need to know anyway. I have been playing Disco
Speaker 1: Lisium Final Cut still. I like I said last week,
Speaker 1: I am playing as the worst detective ever, and I
Speaker 1: have seen some scenes in that game that are brutal,
Speaker 1: like not what I was. I don't know that game
Speaker 1: is like that game is a hard m I would
Speaker 1: say it's very mature. There are a lot of mature themes.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of not violence, but like a lot
Speaker 1: of violent concepts that are put in front of you,
Speaker 1: a lot of like a lot of tough stuff to
Speaker 1: deal with. But like when you play just like as
Speaker 1: an absolute terror there you can get yourself into some
Speaker 1: very messed up situations very quickly. One in particular, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw this, but dude, you
Speaker 1: know kunos that girl behind the fence. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know what I'm talking about, but there's there's
Speaker 1: a point where you have the option to shoot down
Speaker 1: the you can try to shoot down the and you
Speaker 1: can inspect it, and there's an option to aim the
Speaker 1: gun at Kunos because she's yelling at you the entire time,
Speaker 1: and you can pull the trigger. Oh no, there's like
Speaker 1: a for me. There was like a three percent chance,
Speaker 1: and I did it and I hit and the game
Speaker 1: just ended.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 1: Neither did I. And I found it because I was like, I,
Speaker 1: of course, like what Finally, to be fair, I could
Speaker 1: not get the body the entire first day. Finally I
Speaker 1: go up to the body the second day, and one
Speaker 1: of the reasons I got it was because I had
Speaker 1: like a plus two, like you've waited long enough, you
Speaker 1: need to do this, So it just let me access
Speaker 1: the body after this time. And I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I'm going to shoot down the body with
Speaker 1: a gun, because that's what I would do as this
Speaker 1: terrible detective I am. And she just belittles you and
Speaker 1: yells at you the entire time, and you have the option,
Speaker 1: and if you miss, which I imagine will happened most people,
Speaker 1: you just you just entirely locked out of Kuno's story.
Speaker 1: You don't get to talk to him anymore. Like but
Speaker 1: but that took me by surprise. I'm like writing a
Speaker 1: script for what it's like being the worst Detective. But
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about that, just because it's
Speaker 1: like I don't even know how to I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to get into that break that down. I
Speaker 1: don't want to break that down.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: The origins of that game is like this big tabletop
Speaker 3: thing that they, as the developers, were running. And obviously
Speaker 3: one of the great things about tabletop games like D
Speaker 3: and D is it's like it's just up to the
Speaker 3: player what they want to do. So they would have
Speaker 3: had to have included something in that on that like
Speaker 3: because there will always be a player in this case,
Speaker 3: totally Jake Deca, it's going to go for that.
Speaker 1: It's very much like like it just implies a lot
Speaker 1: of it though, Yeah, because I had a three percent
Speaker 1: chance and I did it twice. In the second time,
Speaker 1: I got lucky quote unquote got lucky. But like it
Speaker 1: doesn't actually say you hit or it doesn't say any
Speaker 1: of that. The game just ends. It was like success
Speaker 1: game over, like cop is Cop is like arrested and
Speaker 1: sent to prison and like all right, so but yeah,
Speaker 1: other than that, I still haven't gotten any of the
Speaker 1: new stuff yet. I've been going through it pretty slowly.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to make a lot of progress
Speaker 1: when my character is an actual idiot and like cannot
Speaker 1: do anything. I can't do any checks, Like I've had
Speaker 1: to save scum a couple times just so I can
Speaker 1: get through certain areas, but everywhere I go, it's just
Speaker 1: I just blow every single opportunity, which would suck probably
Speaker 1: in most games, but it's pretty entertaining in this game,
Speaker 1: because when you fail to check, it's like some elaborate
Speaker 1: fail state where you rationalize it all in your head,
Speaker 1: and then your character does something really stupid and then
Speaker 1: you lose morale and you have to take drugs to
Speaker 1: boost your morale again, and then you just have to
Speaker 1: recover from it and walk away, and then you can
Speaker 1: come back maybe a day later when you level up,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you want to try again. But it's
Speaker 1: it's really funny. It's it's one way to play that game.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend it, I don't think. I think I
Speaker 1: would still try to speck into a certain role, but
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't be afraid to totally ignore some attributes
Speaker 1: in favor of other ones, just you can see how
Speaker 1: different things are depending on the kind of detective you play.
Speaker 2: Nice. But yeah, at least a patch today, so.
Speaker 1: They did, I was downloading it before.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious. I hope that fixes some of it.
Speaker 1: Like we said last week, I've been running into a
Speaker 1: lot of bugs, not a ton of bugs, but enough
Speaker 1: bugs where it's kind of annoying. Like I keep getting
Speaker 1: UI stuck on the screen. I'll quit the game, reload
Speaker 1: the game, and I'll have just weird bits of UI
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be there. Like I said last week, characters
Speaker 1: don't talk sometimes. I had one bug where I went
Speaker 1: into a dark area with a flashlight, but the flashlight
Speaker 1: wasn't lighting anything up even though it flashlight was on.
Speaker 1: It's just really weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't have anything beyond the tech stuff.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 3: I think that last patch, not the one today, but
Speaker 3: the one from last week did do a lot. But
Speaker 3: I'm making my way through pretty slowly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But also, like my repetitive strain has got so bad
Speaker 3: in my right arm. I genuinely think it's because my
Speaker 3: desk is I moved my desk around. I just haven't
Speaker 3: put it back in the right place and I'm just
Speaker 3: getting like the burning pains down my arm for a bit.
Speaker 3: So I've just been playing it one handed. This is
Speaker 3: what I've been playing a lot of that and Personas
Speaker 3: because I can play in one handed.
Speaker 1: I actually finished Persona five Royal last week. Cagey Kelly
Speaker 1: and I finished it. I forgot how long that ending is.
Speaker 1: It's like a bunch of different endings. They're all very good,
Speaker 1: and the Royal stuff was excellent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just got to the new Royal
Speaker 2: stuff and I'm not going to say what happens. Please
Speaker 2: don't because Lucy has isn't there yet.
Speaker 1: I will say is not either, but it's big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say, holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's like an hour into the new stuff. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I guess this is fine, and then something happens and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh whoa, yeah that changes stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting. It's weird too. I'm glad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad. It's very like unexpected in terms of
Speaker 2: narrative like experimentation, and I'm glad that I stuck through
Speaker 2: the Sheto stuff and all the other boring stuff that
Speaker 2: comes not boring.
Speaker 4: But like you've you've seen it twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I already seen it twice, and like this
Speaker 2: is my third play through of it. I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 2: but I'm glad I did it.
Speaker 3: Lovely platinum as well, by the way, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think I might go back and try
Speaker 1: to get it.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's very like you don't have to max out
Speaker 3: or your confidence, you don't have to completely compendium. You
Speaker 3: basically just play through and most of the trophies are
Speaker 3: just to encourage you to go to like the jazz
Speaker 3: club and you know, do stuff. It makes it like
Speaker 3: the hardest one, not even hard, but it's like it's
Speaker 3: to max out all your skills, but you've got so
Speaker 3: much free time that I did that very early on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. I'm very happy I finally finished it.
Speaker 1: Took a very long time, but it was definitely well
Speaker 1: worth it. I just really liked all the new stuff
Speaker 1: they added. I thought they did a great job incorporating
Speaker 1: that into the story in a very meaningful way that people,
Speaker 1: I mean people already are enjoying. But like, I'm very
Speaker 1: excited to hear what you guys think once you've finished it,
Speaker 1: especially considering how much you guys love the original. I
Speaker 1: mean myself as well. But what they do is really
Speaker 1: cool and it makes me very excited for more Persona
Speaker 1: In some way or another. Maybe it's just time for
Speaker 1: me to play three.
Speaker 2: Those three is hard to play three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like talking about it with with Evan
Speaker 4: who was asking about playing it, and it's like, the
Speaker 4: problem with three is there is no definitive version of
Speaker 4: that game in the same way where it's like fours
Speaker 4: clear like go with you know, Royal for five and
Speaker 4: go with like Golden for four.
Speaker 2: It's like the fes right.
Speaker 4: So so so there's three versions. Here's the original, there's Fez,
Speaker 4: which is the same game, but they added an epilogue
Speaker 4: plus uh some extra extra stuff. There's like some stuff
Speaker 4: you can do with Elizabeth the Velvet Room Attendant. And
Speaker 4: that's the version of the PS two version of play.
Speaker 4: They also made a PSP version that came out after four,
Speaker 4: and it incorporates a lot of the like positive changes
Speaker 4: that Foe had. You can like it's like a three
Speaker 4: you cannot directly control your party members, which going back
Speaker 4: to that, now.
Speaker 2: Wow, then the amount of the amount of like yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't I can't stop this car crash from happening
Speaker 2: moments that game had you could just see like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I exactly how this is gonna go. I need you
Speaker 2: to do this one specific thing, and I just know
Speaker 2: you're not gonna do it. And they always have to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 4: I've had the worst horror story where when I when
Speaker 4: I originally tried to beat that game, I was up
Speaker 4: until like one am. On the final boss. I get
Speaker 4: him down to literally one hit and the boss charms Yukari,
Speaker 4: who's my healer, and she diarram full heels the boss
Speaker 4: and I just sat there, no sp all my items gone,
Speaker 4: and I just literally cried. I just cried and I
Speaker 4: shut it off. I was like, I cannot do this.
Speaker 4: But but for as much as a as portable makes
Speaker 4: like positive changes like you can directly control your party members,
Speaker 4: they add a whole new alternate female protagonist, which is
Speaker 4: like legitimately like it's a whole nother game, Like all
Speaker 4: the social links are completely different. It's like actually like
Speaker 4: really really awesome. It's on the PSP, so the presentation
Speaker 4: is severely limited. It's basically like a visual novel. Yeah,
Speaker 4: whether it's just like static images and you're moving a
Speaker 4: cursor on you know, to talk to people and it's fine,
Speaker 4: like it was really good back then, but like you
Speaker 4: are missing a lot of that presentation, and so it's
Speaker 4: like it's so tough because if it was if that
Speaker 4: had come out on the Vita instead like Golden had,
Speaker 4: it had been like unequivocally like that's the version of play.
Speaker 4: But it's like the missing presentation is does does subtract
Speaker 4: a lot from the game. So I don't know. I
Speaker 4: always have a hard time recommending which version. But it's
Speaker 4: still a great game and you should play it no
Speaker 4: matter what.
Speaker 2: Right, No, before Sony goes on and bunks all the
Speaker 2: PlayStation stores.
Speaker 4: Oh, we'll get to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Actually, why don't we talk about that right now,
Speaker 1: Johann Lee, because I see you've been downloading some PS
Speaker 1: three games.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was thinking about, like what if I've been playing,
Speaker 4: and I realized I haven't been playing anything. I've just
Speaker 4: been downloading stuff off my PlayStation three. So I pulled
Speaker 4: out my PlayStation three and I'm like, all right, let's
Speaker 4: let's let's do this. And then I realized I ran
Speaker 4: out of space because I the PS slim I have
Speaker 4: I think only had like one hundred and sixty gigs space.
Speaker 4: So I went and bought a terabyte hard drive, swapped
Speaker 4: that in, downloaded everything I had only took up like
Speaker 4: two hundred gigs, and so I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: let's go. So I've been slowly buying things that I
Speaker 4: didn't have. I bought all of the Ratchet and Clank
Speaker 4: games on PS three, so I bought like the all
Speaker 4: the Future trilogy stuff, Tools of Destruction, Crack, and Time
Speaker 4: Quest for Booty, and then I bought the HD collection,
Speaker 4: which was like, I think, like the first three, and
Speaker 4: then I bought Deadlocked, which I guess they did an
Speaker 4: HD remaster that was a PSN exclusive, so that is
Speaker 4: one that you can only play on the PS three
Speaker 4: and once the store goes down, it'll be gone. But
Speaker 4: I haven't actually played any yet. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do that next week. I'm taking the week off, so
Speaker 4: I was like, maybe I'll maybe I'll do some Russian Clank.
Speaker 4: But yeah, just just trying to, you know, prepare myself
Speaker 4: for the PS three apocalypse when all those games are gone,
Speaker 4: trying to get when are they going. I think in June, June,
Speaker 4: July time, still some time, but yeah, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: trying to get that. I'm trying to get like some
Speaker 4: some PS two and some PS one games, you know,
Speaker 4: Like even though I like have a PlayStation one and
Speaker 4: I can like play metal Gear on it, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I should get metal Gear Solid on this again, I
Speaker 4: should get like Person of two on it, like.
Speaker 1: Metal Gear Solid four. Yeah, that's the only way you
Speaker 1: can play that game, right Or is it on PS four?
Speaker 4: No? I mean is it on Uh? I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's on PS now, but I don't count PS
Speaker 4: now because it's a streaming service.
Speaker 1: It's like I think you mentioned in a meeting too,
Speaker 1: how once this happens, you'll be able to play more
Speaker 1: metal Gear games on a x Box than you will
Speaker 1: on a PlayStation yah, which is wild to think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, if you like think about it, because I
Speaker 4: was like thinking about it and I was like, how
Speaker 4: many it is on now? Okay, so at least you
Speaker 4: can play it on now, But like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: that's not the same. That's not the same. That's the
Speaker 4: streaming service. It's that doesn't feel like a good solution
Speaker 4: for that. But yeah, if you like think about like
Speaker 4: what metal Gear games can I play right now on
Speaker 4: a modern PlayStation system. PS four, PS five, it's Ground Zeros,
Speaker 4: Phantom Pain Survive.
Speaker 2: Does that really count? No?
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't count, just like PS now, it does
Speaker 4: not count. And that's it. That's all you can play.
Speaker 4: And then it's like, well, you go over to the Xbox.
Speaker 4: You could play Ground Zeros, you could play five, you
Speaker 4: can play Lay two and three. I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 4: can play peace Walker. It's like, damn man, like Xbox
Speaker 4: got more respect on metal Gear than Sony does right now,
Speaker 4: which I don't know, maybe that's not entirely someboy's fault
Speaker 4: also as well, but I just love that. I think
Speaker 4: that to me puts into perspective like how how important
Speaker 4: and serious this can be, because I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people you see it's it's such a bummer. You
Speaker 4: see so many comments being like, oh, who cares, We're
Speaker 4: all just old games. And I think people have this
Speaker 4: perception that it's like the games that are going to
Speaker 4: be left behind are games that no one cares about
Speaker 4: because it's like, oh, well, the games that really mattered
Speaker 4: got poureded. We're on other platforms like Uncharted. You know
Speaker 4: they have the Uncharted. You can still play in PS
Speaker 4: four and Last of Us, but it's like, Nope, can't
Speaker 4: play Metal Yourself four anymore if you don't have PS three,
Speaker 4: can't play Like it's like that's a big game. That's
Speaker 4: a big deal, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 2: That game has a monkey wearing a diaper, smoking a
Speaker 2: cigarette that sells your guns to be preserved.
Speaker 1: Teach you how to cook eggs too, Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Funny sunny does that. But also it doesn't it drink
Speaker 2: loads of coke Coca cola. Yes, yeah, I think as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's got a sea machine in his back.
Speaker 1: I was just talking about generally, But yeah, the monkey
Speaker 1: does not teach you how to cook eggs, although that
Speaker 1: was cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drebons monkey needs to be video game history and
Speaker 2: the fact that people can't easily access the game that
Speaker 2: that monkey is in.
Speaker 1: So crime Crime is a podcast is a podcast in
Speaker 1: the game to which we've talked about this podcast.
Speaker 4: The Metal Gear Solid Integral Podcast, which I don't know
Speaker 4: if they ever made more than one episode for that,
Speaker 4: but I thought.
Speaker 1: There were more throughout there was one area.
Speaker 4: There are a couple. All I would do is I
Speaker 4: just liked I would just pull up the little in
Speaker 4: game iPod and I would just put on a Sea
Speaker 4: Breeze from Metal three, which is like cool jazz and
Speaker 4: I would just like listen to that while I snuck
Speaker 4: through Q Seeds.
Speaker 2: Really really want to get up close with Snake's ass.
Speaker 2: That is the game to do it with because he
Speaker 2: will like, oh my god, they put some effort into
Speaker 2: animating him, like crawling from crowd Yeah he does that,
Speaker 2: slither Yeah does that? Weird? Say, slithers like a snake
Speaker 2: And when he does that, you will see his yeeks
Speaker 2: in glory.
Speaker 4: For those of you who were you know, sad about
Speaker 4: uh nerf and snakes button, you know, uh brothers. Yeah,
Speaker 4: now you're solid for game. Now you're solid for that's
Speaker 4: the game. You gotta play it.
Speaker 1: Sony put no respect on Snake's ass either. I hate
Speaker 1: to see it. It does make it does put into perspective,
Speaker 1: Like I think this is a lot worse because Xbox
Speaker 1: seems to have a very different approach right now, and
Speaker 1: I imagine part of it is just because the Xbox
Speaker 1: library is so much smaller than the PlayStation library, it's
Speaker 1: a little easier for them to corral those games. But still,
Speaker 1: it's just like crazy to turn on my PlayStation or
Speaker 1: my Xbox and play Black, which came out on Xbox
Speaker 1: Games that I never thought I play again, but it
Speaker 1: was available on game Pass, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll play a little bit of it and then go
Speaker 1: over to PlayStation. And it's just kind of like, can't
Speaker 1: really can't really play any of these older games. There's
Speaker 1: just kind of a bummer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sony believes in generations.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the the disrespect on the p S three generation
Speaker 4: is a massive, massive bummer and it's a shame that that, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, Sony doesn't seem interested in doing anything to
Speaker 4: preserve it. So it's up to the community, the matyrs,
Speaker 4: the less than savory legal means to keep some of
Speaker 4: those games alive, which are is, you know, not perfect,
Speaker 4: but I'm I'm hopeful that at least, you know, the
Speaker 4: community will keep those games alive the best they can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Sean Luke, did you want to talk about
Speaker 1: Oblivion too, Yes, because.
Speaker 4: That's the other game I've been playing. We've just been
Speaker 4: playing Oblivion pretty much like every night. We're like sixty
Speaker 4: hours in or something like that.
Speaker 1: Are you doing the story or you guys just uh
Speaker 1: doing whatever the hell you want.
Speaker 4: We did like a little bit of the story we're like, ah,
Speaker 4: we should do some of the stories we did, like
Speaker 4: the Kavach stuff, and you know, now everyone always says
Speaker 4: like it's you the hero of Kavach every time we
Speaker 4: run into somebody. But we like left Martin over at
Speaker 4: the Blades that were like, all right, let's go do
Speaker 4: the entire Major's guild and all the thieves guilds. So
Speaker 4: we we did the arena last night. We did all
Speaker 4: of the arena.
Speaker 1: Love that Champion of the Arena.
Speaker 4: I love the Owen. I think is the guy the
Speaker 4: the what's it called, like the blood Works?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, guy, he is great. Like I love how he's
Speaker 4: just such a piece of shit to you. He's like
Speaker 4: he's like who are you. He's like, you know, like
Speaker 4: you're nothing, like get out of here, and he just
Speaker 4: like thinks nothing of you. And then like as you
Speaker 4: keep winning more and more fights, he just gets like
Speaker 4: really pumped on you and just becomes like your biggest
Speaker 4: hype man and you're like, ah, you're yeah, oh, and
Speaker 4: like you're great. Uh I was. I was talking about
Speaker 4: it with my partner and we were like, even though
Speaker 4: like every character is just voiced by like again like
Speaker 4: the same ten voice actors. There's like a couple characters
Speaker 4: that they just put like the extra special love into,
Speaker 4: like Owen or the the the Gray Fox. He always
Speaker 4: says Capital every time you do something for him, like
Speaker 4: even though it's like this is the exact same voice
Speaker 4: as the billion other imperials I just talked to, Like,
Speaker 4: you're putting the effort into this specific one and it
Speaker 4: kind of stands out, trying.
Speaker 3: To make this guy stand out.
Speaker 1: To see you guys, you've ever heard some of the
Speaker 1: filler lines that I think people found in the coat
Speaker 1: that did. Those are really good.
Speaker 3: That one because I watched your Oblivion piece. I've been
Speaker 3: recommended a bunch of oblivion stuff recently as that one
Speaker 3: is it.
Speaker 1: And then that got there's that video like Todd Howard's
Speaker 1: the best voice actor ever.
Speaker 3: That's the one I got. That's the one I got.
Speaker 3: My second favorite Todd Howard video, third favorite Howard video
Speaker 3: after the Todd Howard Who video that Rob made it
Speaker 3: E three. But also there is a subreddit called gay
Speaker 3: for Todd, which but it's just people making memes about
Speaker 3: Todd Howard and sometimes they do things like mods are
Speaker 3: Asleep post Pete Hines. There was one video that someone
Speaker 3: made and it's Todd Howard talks to you in the bathroom.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Oh my god. I love that video.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so good.
Speaker 6: It's so good, just like such a weird video and
Speaker 6: a guy putting on a really bad Todd Howard impression
Speaker 6: and it's just talking to you.
Speaker 2: And it's the effort to like make just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: make it sound muffles coming from like beond the bathroom.
Speaker 3: It's also are muffled. And then they do a thing
Speaker 3: where they open the door and it gets momentarily loud again.
Speaker 3: It's like it's such a it's such a weird little
Speaker 3: corner of the internet. But anyway, Todd Howard means.
Speaker 1: Howard means are good. Uh two more, what are you
Speaker 1: up to?
Speaker 2: I'll keep it quick because Howard. But let's go. I
Speaker 2: have been playing so Apple have like shadow dropped thirty
Speaker 2: new games onto the Arcade platform and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of bangers in there. Yeah, including the mobile game from
Speaker 2: Platinum Games, Demon or whatever it is that looks like
Speaker 2: Okami World.
Speaker 4: It is a good I don't have Apple and I
Speaker 4: love Okamie and I saw it and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, personally, if you want if you're going in there
Speaker 2: looking for Okami.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I know it's not Okami, but I love
Speaker 4: that art style. It's so so beautifore.
Speaker 2: I've played a little bit and it's kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Like I'm enjoying it so far.
Speaker 4: So I wanted you to tell me it was bad
Speaker 4: because I can't play it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's five dollars for a month of
Speaker 2: Apple Arcade, so you could like do do a month
Speaker 2: and don't.
Speaker 4: I don't have an iPhone though, like when when I
Speaker 4: play around.
Speaker 3: John Luke, doesn't Georgia have an iPhone.
Speaker 4: It's a pretty old one though. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it would run.
Speaker 3: But she's in our family plan, so Georgia would have
Speaker 3: our Apple.
Speaker 4: You could try it. It might just self destructure her phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's there's a bunch of games in there
Speaker 2: that are like old games that are speaking about preservation. Again,
Speaker 2: Apple doing a pretty good job better than Sony anyway.
Speaker 2: They've kind of like brought back old classic phone games
Speaker 2: to and in like new versions to make sure that
Speaker 2: they're still available. Like Rains Is Back, Cut the Rope,
Speaker 2: His Back, Fruit, and Ninja's Back. They've like updated so
Speaker 2: they're not Do Threes Monument.
Speaker 3: Valley that's on Xbox Game Past.
Speaker 2: But the game that I've been addicted to is Tycho
Speaker 2: or Tuxagen. Hell yeah, Tap tap pop. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: version of Tycho drum Master on there, and it's fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. It's brilliant like it is. It is really
Speaker 2: fun play it on your phone. I tried it on
Speaker 2: an iPad, I think, and it's very hard to hold
Speaker 2: up an iPad for extended periods of time while tapping.
Speaker 2: But like really simple Taycho Tyco drum Master, Tychogen, like
Speaker 2: a simple rhythm game, just really good song selection in there.
Speaker 2: You just tap it on the You tap either on
Speaker 2: the drum or on the outside of the drum to
Speaker 2: kind of like hit the right beats, and you've got
Speaker 2: certain like tap fasts when I hold it down, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. But really what really makes it is
Speaker 2: the song selection.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask what I have.
Speaker 2: It's got Cruel Angels thesis.
Speaker 4: Of course you have to have that on there.
Speaker 2: You have to have that. Yeah, it's got we Are
Speaker 2: from the opening form one piece. It's got the what
Speaker 2: the Hell's my Little Pony? Theme?
Speaker 4: Okay, on that yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's got yep, it's got a headshell. It's got
Speaker 2: uh give me Chocolate by baby Metal, Okay, which is great.
Speaker 2: It's got a lot of good songs. Honestly, the best
Speaker 2: song in there is the tutorial song, which is just incredible,
Speaker 2: Like it is the coolest intro to a game I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. It's just like they it's like this very joyous,
Speaker 2: very happy group of singers who are singing to you
Speaker 2: and to show you how to play the game. And
Speaker 2: like they're singing the instructions and how to play the game,
Speaker 2: and by the time you're done, you're just gonna feel
Speaker 2: like overwhelmingly happy. Like it's just such a good thing.
Speaker 2: You go in to that game just like absolutely buzzing,
Speaker 2: and it's got like online multiplayer, and it's got a
Speaker 2: bunch of other like leaderboards. It's really really fun. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think like that game alone is worth paying like
Speaker 2: for a month of Apple Arcade for for and then
Speaker 2: just you can knock that out really fun. There's a
Speaker 2: few others on there that are quite good as well.
Speaker 2: Clap Golf is basically everybody's golf spell Towers on there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you recommended that to me. Earlier today is it.
Speaker 2: Spell Spell Tower. So there's there's a bunch of zach
Speaker 2: Gage games on there, so Spell Toower, really bad Chess,
Speaker 2: and then I think it's like Flip Flops and Flip
Speaker 2: Flops Solitaire. I think it is like that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: zach Age makes a bunch of really cool games like
Speaker 2: simplifying or remixing games that you know the rule sets to,
Speaker 2: or teaching you games like good is what about teaching
Speaker 2: how to play in a really fun intuitive way. And
Speaker 2: then there's a bunch of other games on there, like Fantasian,
Speaker 2: the new game from is It Good?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Soker Gucci such good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Because we've had so many emails from a
Speaker 2: former Final Fantasy person is now making X game. I
Speaker 2: think like I've lost track of them.
Speaker 4: That's the former Final Fantasy guy, yeah, Misster Final Fantasy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And then there's like Cozy Grove Round Garden,
Speaker 2: but a bunch of really good fun games like thirty.
Speaker 2: Like if you were ever thinking about should I try
Speaker 2: out Apple Arcade, now is the time to do it
Speaker 2: because you can jump in grab a few games, even
Speaker 2: if it only is for a month, you'll get your
Speaker 2: fill out of it and then you're good and then
Speaker 2: beyond that, I've been playing Outriders. Outriders is a fun game.
Speaker 2: I don't think I like playing single player. It kind
Speaker 2: of is can be frustrating at times when there's certain
Speaker 2: area arenas that you go into where you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't it didn't really make it clear that there
Speaker 2: was going to be an elite enemy here, and I'm
Speaker 2: just clearly not equipped for this. Yeah, which sucks, but
Speaker 2: I'm excited to try and play it with some people,
Speaker 2: hopefully soon. I really enjoying the gameplay loop a lot.
Speaker 1: I was watching I think Cardi posted a gameplay clip
Speaker 1: of him like rolling around a lot and I looked
Speaker 1: at it and I was like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: can't follow any of this and what's happening. I'm sure
Speaker 1: i'd build up to it, but I watched that for
Speaker 1: like ten seconds. It's like, I think I'm sick and
Speaker 1: stowed it away, but I downloaded on my Xbox, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to try it. At some point. I got
Speaker 1: to the character creator and was like, I can't do
Speaker 1: this right now, and then put it away. But one
Speaker 1: of these days you can.
Speaker 3: You can change that. I think at any point.
Speaker 1: You can change your character totally.
Speaker 4: You can't change what your character looks like. You can't
Speaker 4: change your class though, And that is my big recommendation
Speaker 4: is because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which class is right for me?
Speaker 4: Which class is right for you? We haven't sint video
Speaker 4: up on GameSpot dot com or YouTube diarahmoslast game Spot.
Speaker 4: I literally just finished editing that right before the podcast. Uh,
Speaker 4: but I would it's very good. It's very good. Uh Jordan.
Speaker 4: Jordan did a lot of the heavy lifting on the
Speaker 4: video for that, so shout out to Jordan. But I
Speaker 4: would say, like a lot of my complaints I had
Speaker 4: about how I felt about the game, I think are
Speaker 4: not entirely but like a lot of it was related
Speaker 4: to my specific class. Like I picked the Pyro, and
Speaker 4: I that is just apparently not the class to play
Speaker 4: if you're playing that game single player. Like I was
Speaker 4: watching Jordan play the Technomancer, which is basically the vanguard
Speaker 4: for Mass Effect two, where you're just like zipping around
Speaker 4: with a shotgun, and I was like, Oh, that's that's
Speaker 4: what a fun class looks like. I should have I
Speaker 4: should have picked this, But you can't change so uh yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe go go look at a video and or our video,
Speaker 4: specifically to determine, uh, which class you should play, because yeah, Tam,
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I'm I'm I'm struggling to get through
Speaker 4: it a single player. I was trying to convince my
Speaker 4: partner to play it with me. I was like, look,
Speaker 4: I have it on it. I have it on PS five.
Speaker 4: It's free on game Pass. You could just you can
Speaker 4: play it on there. It's cross play, we can play together. Please,
Speaker 4: I need someone to play it with me. I'll play
Speaker 4: with you if you want. If you need someone.
Speaker 2: I'm done. Yeah. I think I play like in very
Speaker 2: short bursts because that game, I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: can't do long sessions of it after a while. Maybe
Speaker 2: it is a symptom of playing in single player but
Speaker 2: off roarms, like it feels like trying to walk a
Speaker 2: run up hill right now. I just can't be asked,
Speaker 2: so like I do one mission at night or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: I think it's good for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think once, once we get a couple more
Speaker 2: people in, I think it will be more bet at all.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, long session of al Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have played a lot. Maybe I can catch up.
Speaker 2: No, if you want to catch up, now is the
Speaker 2: time to do it. I've done maybe three missions, so
Speaker 2: it's fine. Cut.
Speaker 4: The game is also apparently pretty good about like allowing
Speaker 4: you to go back and like join and play with
Speaker 4: my previous okay.
Speaker 3: Stuff, because you can change your world too.
Speaker 4: Because like I don't really care about the story, like
Speaker 4: I'll just like i'd replay that stuff because it doesn't
Speaker 4: really matter, Like you could just change the world tier
Speaker 4: and pop in wherever you want.
Speaker 2: A friend of the show Blessing was streaming it the
Speaker 2: other day and I like, he sent me an invite,
Speaker 2: so hopped into his game and I got wrecked constantly
Speaker 2: in his game. I was like, whoa, this is not
Speaker 2: scaling at all, Like I couldn't I took I could
Speaker 2: take like one bullet and then I was down. But
Speaker 2: there was one point where I was down, so I
Speaker 2: was doing the Gears of War crawling animation, but like
Speaker 2: I pressed the button and the character just popped up
Speaker 2: on its feet and just started running around like sonic,
Speaker 2: like real fast, and I could control them. So everyone
Speaker 2: was like, but I was clearly still dead, but I
Speaker 2: was instead of just being like hobbling on the floor,
Speaker 2: I was like sprinking around but in everyone's way because
Speaker 2: they're like, well, you should be dead stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to check that game out. I mostly
Speaker 1: just because the conversation around it is so interesting, Like
Speaker 1: some people who have really liked it, some people have
Speaker 1: really hated it, but everyone just seems kind of not
Speaker 1: confused about what it is, but just kind of surprised
Speaker 1: at what it actually is at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: For better or worse too, you know, I think.
Speaker 3: I mean the thing that got me that I genuinely
Speaker 3: was so taken it back by, and I believe it
Speaker 3: was snow Big Mike from kind of Funny posted a
Speaker 3: picture of the inventory screen and he posted it with
Speaker 3: is this Outriders or Destiny? Because it is exactly Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was. I remember when I played the demo
Speaker 3: and I got to the infantry screen and I saw
Speaker 3: that and went, wow, they're not even trying. That's way
Speaker 3: too similar.
Speaker 4: It's also really slow that menu at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I tweeted about this, but like, why why do
Speaker 2: helmets in modern sci fi games all look like bins
Speaker 2: designed heads like it? It's just I'm so sick of
Speaker 2: bin Head with hood on top. Characters.
Speaker 3: Didn't bin Head go for Parliament in the UK?
Speaker 5: Lord Bucketead you Lord Buckethead legend.
Speaker 3: And then and there was actual Buckethead who played guitar.
Speaker 1: For peak British culture right there.
Speaker 3: No Buckethead was Buckethead was yours?
Speaker 1: Lord Buckethead was Lord Buckethead.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say Buckethead over here wore a KFC
Speaker 3: bucket and played guitar. Who did he play with? I
Speaker 3: said that, I want to say, like the guns and Roses,
Speaker 3: but I think that's bucket Head guitar.
Speaker 1: I've never heard about this before.
Speaker 2: Lord Buckehead is. If you've never seen Lord bucket just
Speaker 2: google Lord Buckethead.
Speaker 4: Version of what you think he's. He's the UK version
Speaker 4: of Vermin Supreme. I think we've had this exact conversation before.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I just love Lord.
Speaker 3: Bockehead guitar player. Buckethead played with guns and Roses and
Speaker 3: continued to work at Michael Jackson Tribute. Interesting.
Speaker 2: Interesting, but we've a Phil Hornshaw did our review.
Speaker 3: He also played with Vigo Mortenson on Vigo Mortenson's album
Speaker 3: at All, which I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Wait, what there we go, We've got something to do
Speaker 2: this evening.
Speaker 1: Everyone.
Speaker 4: That's the pile of celebrities who have bands that we
Speaker 4: didn't know about.
Speaker 3: Seriously.
Speaker 2: So Phil Hornshaw dipped our review for Outriders and he
Speaker 2: finalized it today and he gave it an eight out
Speaker 2: of ten. If you'd like to read that, please, you
Speaker 2: can go to GameSpot dot com and see see you there.
Speaker 2: And there's also a video which was edited by one
Speaker 2: Jean Luke. Great work on that. So if you're of
Speaker 2: the if you're if you fear words on pages, prefer
Speaker 2: moving pictures, YouTube dot Com, Forward, Slash game Spot.
Speaker 1: I fear words on pages, yeah, especially when I have
Speaker 1: to read them out loud. All right, anyway, let's move
Speaker 1: on to ye to move on to listener questions. All right,
Speaker 1: and we are back with listener questions. If you've got
Speaker 1: a question for us, you can email us at after
Speaker 1: Dark podcast at readventures dot com, or you can join
Speaker 1: our discord by d ming any one of us, although
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I could still bring people into
Speaker 1: the discord, but probably probably message John Luke tomorrow, Lucy.
Speaker 1: They'd probably be better at that. But you know, if
Speaker 1: no one's respawning to you and you desperately need to
Speaker 1: get in there to ask a question, you can hit
Speaker 1: me up and all, make sure you get in.
Speaker 4: The second you leave, I'm banning you from that discord.
Speaker 1: Okay, never mind, don't hit me up. I won't be
Speaker 1: able to do that anyway. First question here comes from Maria.
Speaker 1: Do you want to read this one? Lucy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, honor any games you like to play in unconventional
Speaker 3: or unintentional ways. I have a friend that has put
Speaker 3: well over one hundred hours into Skyrom without touching a
Speaker 3: single story quest. He simply explores. He simply enjoys exploring
Speaker 3: the world and role playing his character. Meanwhile, I'm about
Speaker 3: to turn into a mass murderer in diosonder too because
Speaker 3: I have zero patients and I'm absolutely pans stealth, but
Speaker 3: I'd still like to see where the story goes. Also
Speaker 3: shouts to Maria for using the British spelling of dishonored.
Speaker 2: Good work, great work, I.
Speaker 1: Mean I I thanks to Dirty Lardy. I play a
Speaker 1: lot of games as poorly as I possibly can, because
Speaker 1: people like to watch that and their fun to their
Speaker 1: fun videos to make so I see the side of
Speaker 1: a lot of games that people don't necessarily see. I mean,
Speaker 1: even John Luke and I and we did status party
Speaker 1: on the Citadell we played Effect in a way that
Speaker 1: I don't think many people played mass Effect because we
Speaker 1: made it to that final party, and I'll never forget
Speaker 1: when all of our surviving squad mates walk in and
Speaker 1: it was like three people.
Speaker 4: I had to make like a spreadsheet to like mathematically
Speaker 4: figure out the Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we covered up like in one of the meeting rooms.
Speaker 1: We covered up every single whiteboard in there with just
Speaker 1: just plotting out our three game adventure of how we
Speaker 1: were gonna kill everyone, and then a fun bonus, you
Speaker 1: can also commit genocide in that game with the entire
Speaker 1: like what was it the Korean race?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because that was the thing. It wasn't just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: we're gonna kill everyone. It was like the death has
Speaker 4: to be the worst possible death each character could get.
Speaker 4: So I think like Rex, I like murdered on in.
Speaker 2: Three yeahs was rough.
Speaker 1: We let him live just so we could.
Speaker 4: So we could betray him, kill his entire race, and
Speaker 4: then kill him.
Speaker 2: I love the idea that at the end of this trilogy,
Speaker 2: in the climactic moments appear and they're like, this is
Speaker 2: way worse than anything we could have done.
Speaker 1: I think, But yeah, I'm looking back at that. I
Speaker 1: just remember. I think Sean U came up with the
Speaker 1: title Baldoin Shepherd commits genocide or something like that. We've
Speaker 1: really done it this time. I'm amazed they kept us
Speaker 1: around for this long.
Speaker 4: Peaked four years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's like moments where you know, when you
Speaker 2: play fighting games, you eventually start to do stupid things
Speaker 2: like oh, I'll fight this person against you, but I
Speaker 2: won't jump even once, or I'll never use this kind
Speaker 2: of punch, or I'll never use this. So I did
Speaker 2: a lot of that against my younger brothers or friends.
Speaker 4: That I will see I would be. I would be
Speaker 4: the friend that they would do that too, so mad disrespects.
Speaker 2: So I did a lot of that, I guess, like yeah,
Speaker 2: other than that, like I usually if there's a stuff game,
Speaker 2: I will do it in a clean hands approach always.
Speaker 3: So I I am like I play things very traditionally,
Speaker 3: but I love watching let's play series of people doing
Speaker 3: things the quote unquote wrong way one beyond like dirt
Speaker 3: Ya he's had his party on the citadel and even
Speaker 3: I guess prepare to try in a in a weird
Speaker 3: because like Rory is obviously so or he was so
Speaker 3: inexperienced with Soul's games. It's it's wild. I've actually been
Speaker 3: going back and watching some of the early episodes and
Speaker 3: he controls the camera and moves and he's so twitchy.
Speaker 3: It's like he's playing a first person made Evil seven.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, if I can't Sometimes I can't watch
Speaker 2: it because he's like he's just constantly nudging that stick
Speaker 2: and I'm like, click stop. You know, there's no need
Speaker 2: to do this.
Speaker 3: But one one series that has always stuck with me
Speaker 3: that I really really enjoyed was Skyrim Rags to Riches
Speaker 3: on CVG that Andy Kelly did, where he basically just
Speaker 3: had a very plain and simple GNRD character that starts
Speaker 3: with nothing, just kind of ignores the main quest and
Speaker 3: all he has to do is just like try and
Speaker 3: make as much money as possible. And he had a dog.
Speaker 3: Did he call the dog cabbage?
Speaker 2: Yes? I know he was obsessed with cabbage.
Speaker 3: He was obsessed with cabbage.
Speaker 2: Remember if he got a dog and called it cabbage
Speaker 2: like he was just he was a cabbage like kleptomaniac.
Speaker 2: He would like if there was a cabbage, he needed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: His name was, His name was Olaf. The character and
Speaker 3: I can't remember what his his dog was called, but
Speaker 3: it was it was really good. I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 3: Also Top five scarey Mods of the Week with seven
Speaker 3: Cam and Kevin van Nord.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a good one. There were like some
Speaker 4: good I remember there was I forget exactly how it worked,
Speaker 4: but there was like an old obliving mod where it
Speaker 4: would spawn one uh invisible, unkillable zombie that would just
Speaker 4: hunt the player down. And it also made it also
Speaker 4: uh turned off like all of the like there's certain
Speaker 4: game NPCs in the game that like can die for
Speaker 4: like quest reasons. It disables that so anyone could die,
Speaker 4: and it just turns it into this like surreal horror
Speaker 4: game where you're just desperately trying to avoid the zombie
Speaker 4: and it's just killing everyone in its path, and like eventually,
Speaker 4: like the whole world is just dead.
Speaker 1: Literally it follows.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, this was like years and years ago before
Speaker 4: that movie. I remember that mod.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Yeah, I mean I feel like Skyrim
Speaker 1: Oblivion are perfect playgrounds for that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys ever messed around with that. A new Start, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's called a new start. That I
Speaker 1: forget what it's called, but there's a modern Skyrim that
Speaker 1: basically just lets you pick how you want to start
Speaker 1: that game, so you don't need to be the Dovid Well,
Speaker 1: I think you're still the Dovia Ken, but you don't
Speaker 1: need to be like, oh you cross the border. You
Speaker 1: can like spawn an I'm a homeowner, or I just
Speaker 1: got off the boat for Moro and and now I'm
Speaker 1: in Like it's like a nice little setup to each
Speaker 1: of these settings, which is pretty.
Speaker 3: Coo me zoid big hold on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some great soccer mods, uh that do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, arguably you have to mod Stalker to actually
Speaker 4: play that game because the vanilla version that game is
Speaker 4: so unplayable. But there's a there's a cool version where
Speaker 4: it's like perma death and you will it'll like randomly
Speaker 4: put you in like one of the factions with a
Speaker 4: different like goal and identity, and you just like see
Speaker 4: how far you can get as that character before you die.
Speaker 4: I love I love games that do stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Like I think my big one that I always do
Speaker 4: is like I always try like no hud and and
Speaker 4: just like yeah because because I'm I'm mostly because I'm
Speaker 4: just like curious, like how well you can actually still
Speaker 4: play the game without it, Like, you know, does the
Speaker 4: game have like the proper especially open world games like
Speaker 4: the proper signage and like directions from NPCs to be
Speaker 4: able to like know where I'm going without just following
Speaker 4: the compass. Most games don't pass that test, unfortunately, but
Speaker 4: there are a few that do, like like Red Dead
Speaker 4: and which your three to some extent, I would say
Speaker 4: passes that, like I always love the Wild Breath of
Speaker 4: the Wild, Dishonored, and Dishonored is really fun to play
Speaker 4: with no hud. Yeah, like I really like doing doing
Speaker 4: stuff like that?
Speaker 1: All right? Uh to more? Do you want to read
Speaker 1: the next question here? I do? Yes.
Speaker 2: Are there any games you guys played through in your
Speaker 2: personal time despite them feeling like a big chore? If so,
Speaker 2: why did you stick with them? Thanks and keep up
Speaker 2: the good work, Gray Fox from Discord.
Speaker 3: I think there's definitely bits that you play through of
Speaker 3: games because you hear that it gets so much better
Speaker 3: after ten hours, Like I would, I would say that
Speaker 3: the opening ten hours of Persona five are a chore
Speaker 3: because it's it's very handholdy and it's like the story
Speaker 3: stuff is interesting, but obviously it's so much set up,
Speaker 3: and so I would say that those that can be
Speaker 3: a chore, especially like because I at least early and
Speaker 3: this is you know, not necessarily a bad thing, but
Speaker 3: like i'd played it in preview, so I already played
Speaker 3: that opening. I actually I actually had like a copy
Speaker 3: from Japan ahead of it coming out in the West,
Speaker 3: and so I'd already played a bit in Japanese before
Speaker 3: realizing that that was a stupid idea because I don't
Speaker 3: speak a lick of Japanese. And so I think replaying those,
Speaker 3: especially in close succession by the time I got code
Speaker 3: for a version in English, was like, oh, this is
Speaker 3: a chore. Now I can see. I can see that
Speaker 3: the cracks, like or at least the lines in the
Speaker 3: matrix teaching me exactly specific things. And so I think
Speaker 3: I think in some cases, I think every game definitely
Speaker 3: has lulls. It's not even though it was a big chore,
Speaker 3: it's just you know, repeating yourself. I suppose.
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't really stick with games if
Speaker 2: I'm finding them to be ature, just like I'll just
Speaker 2: like bounce off of them. Yeah, games almost like I
Speaker 2: can't I can't do this. I'm done because there's always
Speaker 2: something else to be doing these days. Like when I
Speaker 2: was younger, maybe I would stick for it just to
Speaker 2: be like I want to be knowledgeable, but these days,
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's too many things that I could be
Speaker 2: doing right now that will immediately be more fun later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I near Atama. I felt like a chore.
Speaker 1: I ended up enjoying it, but that was that was
Speaker 1: pretty tough for me to get through it. And technically
Speaker 1: I didn't even finish it. I just did the first
Speaker 1: ending and I know there's more, and I started it
Speaker 1: but then but then I like died during that starting thing,
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes in on my on the second campaign,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and it put me back at the beginning.
Speaker 1: I walk around as this, I don't want to spoil anything,
Speaker 1: but there's something you do at the very beginning of
Speaker 1: that second run through that is incredibly slow. You just
Speaker 1: walk incredibly slowly as a character and you move water
Speaker 1: from one spot to a next, and I had to
Speaker 1: do that again. I was like, now, I'll come back
Speaker 1: to this later.
Speaker 4: It's the most Yoko Taro moment of that game, well,
Speaker 4: one of the whole game. But yeah, I yeah, I
Speaker 4: remember that game has this really brutal opening where if
Speaker 4: you die at any point, it kicks you back to
Speaker 4: the beginning because you haven't had to chose the hard save.
Speaker 4: H I love that game, but oh my god.
Speaker 1: All right. Next question here is from mister Blue and
Speaker 1: the Hey Folks Quick question this time. Has any game
Speaker 1: ever made you want to speed run it? If so,
Speaker 1: which game and why? Any from software game? I'll never
Speaker 1: be good enough to speed run it, but yeah, the
Speaker 1: second time you play through those games, I feel like
Speaker 1: you start to see how the world is put together
Speaker 1: and different routes you can do, and you immediately just
Speaker 1: start thinking of different ideas in your head, and like
Speaker 1: maybe not even so much speed running, but like just
Speaker 1: racing friends through that game, and like figuring out which
Speaker 1: path gets you which weapon the quickest you can do
Speaker 1: this and that like that that that stuff so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: For me, I think as well, Dishonored speed runs are
Speaker 3: so fun.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them out there as well, so
Speaker 2: you can see people. For me, as Securer, like I
Speaker 2: I think the Securar is the most fun that I
Speaker 2: have playing a game fast like it maintains it's it's
Speaker 2: what makes it fun at a speed, Like a lot
Speaker 2: of games that I mean, like I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: sequence breaking and that kind of stuff, Like I'm talking
Speaker 2: about just doing stuff fast. A lot of games, like
Speaker 2: when you do do that speed run starting, you're kind
Speaker 2: of ripping out what makes them interesting and what makes
Speaker 2: them enjoyable. But with secular speed runs that don't do
Speaker 2: like sequence break or I'm going to jump into this
Speaker 2: out of bounds and that kind of stuff, you're just
Speaker 2: playing the game quicker because you're showing that you're just
Speaker 2: really good at it and you understand it. So like
Speaker 2: learning how to beat a boss super quickly is very
Speaker 2: very rewarding, very very.
Speaker 3: Some of your clips have been insane.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're taking out that first stage of the
Speaker 1: uh the Guardian ape fight in like ten seconds. I
Speaker 1: was like so much fun, and then like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that when I finally try to do
Speaker 1: that challenge.
Speaker 2: It's good. It's a good time, man. It's it's that's
Speaker 2: the game that I'm like, I fucking coming to this
Speaker 2: for a really long time. I'd have a good good
Speaker 2: time with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same thing I would say for me reson eval.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's kind of the same thing, like specifically
Speaker 4: like the original games and like seven, like the because
Speaker 4: like tomor said, it's the same thing where it's it's
Speaker 4: less sequence breaking and more just getting really good at
Speaker 4: knowing like exactly like I need to go exactly here
Speaker 4: and pick up this item and then go right over here,
Speaker 4: and just like something about that like memorization and like
Speaker 4: mastery of like perfectly dodging you know, like an enemy
Speaker 4: and using as like little ammunition as possible, and never
Speaker 4: saving and like that, especially the saving because if you're
Speaker 4: playing on like the original games or like Madhouse for seven,
Speaker 4: like it's that added stress of like if I die,
Speaker 4: this whole run is over. And I think that's like
Speaker 4: a super cool, fun challenge. I've never actually done it,
Speaker 4: but I one day, one day, I would like to
Speaker 4: try that with a reson evil.
Speaker 1: Last question here Kevin from West Hartford, Lucy, do you
Speaker 1: want to or Jean Luke do you want to read
Speaker 1: this one? You haven't read one yet?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 3: Teachers picking on you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, after your dark crude. There is a great
Speaker 4: discussion in the discord this week. Go check out the
Speaker 4: amazing discord. Uh just ask me or Jake or Lucy. Amazing.
Speaker 4: There's a great discussion the Discord this week about pacing
Speaker 4: yourself and planning your time your game time. I know
Speaker 4: your job changes how you play games, but ideally, do
Speaker 4: you plan out or schedule your games? Are there any
Speaker 4: rules to try to follow when it comes to playtime
Speaker 4: or what you are playing? Shout outs to at gre
Speaker 4: Ninja trainer Dan for the great topic. Thanks.
Speaker 2: I wish God, I wish I would better about planning
Speaker 2: that stuff. I think I do what a lot of
Speaker 2: people do is like I'll sit in front of the
Speaker 2: TV and be like, Okay, what should I play? And
Speaker 2: then I'll like think about it for an hour, and
Speaker 2: then I'll start a game and I'll be like not
Speaker 2: feeling it. Maybe I'll switch to something else, and like
Speaker 2: that's the worst way to do it. I wish I
Speaker 2: was better about dedicating myself to a game. I used
Speaker 2: to be, but these days I'm just like the problem
Speaker 2: is you're constantly chasing this feeling of satisfaction and feeling
Speaker 2: like your time is meaningful, and the kind of cruel
Speaker 2: trick of it is you never give yourself enough time
Speaker 2: with one game to reach the stage like The way
Speaker 2: you get that is by committing and playing a bunch
Speaker 2: of a game and then coming out like four or
Speaker 2: five late hours later, or even like a couple of
Speaker 2: days later in smaller chunks, and being like, I'll play
Speaker 2: a good chunk of this game. And in the pursuit
Speaker 2: of that, most I end up just bouncing from think
Speaker 2: to thing, just hoping I can get some sort of
Speaker 2: satisfaction like it immediately out of it. And that's not
Speaker 2: how games work. So I don't do that. I don't
Speaker 2: pace myself, and I don't look I'm better about it
Speaker 2: these days, but only only slightly. I should be better
Speaker 2: about sticking with things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm best at it. When there's an
Speaker 1: embargo that we need to hit and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: finish the game by a certain time, and then I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got this many days to finish the game, this
Speaker 1: many days to write whatever features are working on in
Speaker 1: this many days to edit for embargo. But like most
Speaker 1: games I play casually, I don't really think about that
Speaker 1: too much unless it's something that I want to finish
Speaker 1: by a certain time, like the Persona five Strikers. The
Speaker 1: reason that took so long was because I was very
Speaker 1: slow in playing through that game, and I should have
Speaker 1: done a much better job of like scheduling my time
Speaker 1: and figuring out when to play that game, but it
Speaker 1: just just didn't happen.
Speaker 3: I don't schedule mind. I have my big, essentially spreadsheet
Speaker 3: of everything that I'm playing, but it's more like I
Speaker 3: get anxious if there's a list of things in my
Speaker 3: head that it's like, oh, I know that someone's told
Speaker 3: me to read that book or watch that show, and
Speaker 3: so it's more of a list of things that I
Speaker 3: want to watch and play, things that I am watching
Speaker 3: and playing, and things that I've finished. And it's it's
Speaker 3: kind of nice because I also juggle between a lot,
Speaker 3: and so having a list of like, oh, I forgot
Speaker 3: that I was in the middle of this, I'll go
Speaker 3: back to it. That's pretty much what I use it for.
Speaker 3: But I don't schedule out, you know, like oh, it's
Speaker 3: nine o'clock, I've got my one and a half hours
Speaker 3: of game time to go. I don't do any of
Speaker 3: that because.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I try and stop playing games at like ten thirty
Speaker 3: to give myself time to unwind and like fall asleep
Speaker 3: by about half eleven, so that would probably be the
Speaker 3: only schedule that I would keep myself to unless it's
Speaker 3: a really bloody good bit then.
Speaker 1: Sleeps out the window. Yeah all right, Actually did everybody
Speaker 1: answer that question?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So all right. Well that's been episode eighty eight of
Speaker 1: Game Spot after Dark. Thank you all so much for listening,
Speaker 1: and thank you guys for joining. It has been an
Speaker 1: absolute pleasure to host this show and hang out with
Speaker 1: you guys. Uh you guys here with me right now,
Speaker 1: and you guys listening means the world. And I'll stay
Speaker 1: in the GameSpot discord, so stay in touch. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think we're going to be playing some games later today,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure we'll still be having fun.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna miss you.
Speaker 2: Friend of the Show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he needs he you need a you need
Speaker 3: a more grand title Friend of the Show.
Speaker 1: I'll let you guys think on it. If I don't
Speaker 1: like it, I will let you know though.
Speaker 2: Host.
Speaker 1: Oh, it just doesn't have much of a ring too. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Before we go, Lucy anything you're plug and where can
Speaker 1: people find you?
Speaker 3: This week we did we're trying something out with Console crew.
Speaker 3: We put it out earlier in the week and it's
Speaker 3: more reactive. So we put it out on Tuesday when
Speaker 3: all of the E three stuff was happening in the
Speaker 3: ESA announcing and so Tam Jordan and I got together
Speaker 3: to quickly talk about that and like what it means
Speaker 3: that Xbox is there in PlayStation isn't. So that's, you know,
Speaker 3: part of the reason why we haven't covered it on
Speaker 3: the podcast today. But if you want to go hear
Speaker 3: us talk about it. Look at look at us talk
Speaker 3: about it. That's weird. But there is a is a
Speaker 3: video that's on YouTube at com slash game spot. Watch
Speaker 3: us talk about it, watch us talk about it, sound off,
Speaker 3: just watch. Other than that, I'm working on a bunch
Speaker 3: of mass effects stuff. You know me, I'm on Twitter,
Speaker 3: Lucy James.
Speaker 1: Gabs timor how about you.
Speaker 2: I'm on Twitter tomorrow. Hey, I'm basically doing the same
Speaker 2: thing that Lucy just said, as well as working on
Speaker 2: reviews after ejected reviews editor.
Speaker 1: Don't make this stick.
Speaker 2: After after Kelly left kind of been handling reviews, so
Speaker 2: film's reviews up for that. We've got a review for
Speaker 2: balin Wonderworld from freelancer David wild Goose, and we'll have
Speaker 2: some more coming in Other than that, it's pretty much,
Speaker 2: you know, doing things behind the scenes, getting stuff ready
Speaker 2: for later in the year, making moose cracked smoke chocolate eat.
Speaker 1: John Luke you can find I'm not going to acknowledge it.
Speaker 3: I don't understand what he just said.
Speaker 2: Some people will get their reference four.
Speaker 1: Good job, John Luke.
Speaker 4: You can find me at John sip on Twitter. You
Speaker 4: can check out that Outriters class tip that I mentioned
Speaker 4: as t mor said the review. The finalized version of
Speaker 4: the review should be up as well. Also, I did
Speaker 4: a video on the El Gatto light strips, the the
Speaker 4: other half of that El Gatto wave panel video I did,
Speaker 4: so now you got to see me talk about the
Speaker 4: light light strips.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's good. Video's not done yet, but I'm
Speaker 4: sure it's great. You should check it out otherwise, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll like with Lucy and Tam I'm gonna be doing
Speaker 4: hopefully massifixt stuff in the coming weeks, all right.
Speaker 3: I said el Gato. I can only hear it in
Speaker 3: auto from the Simpson's voice, so it's like, my name
Speaker 3: is el Gato.
Speaker 1: You can find me at Jacob Deck and I am
Speaker 1: trying very hard to get this, this Disco Elysium video
Speaker 1: done before Friday. There's a hard deadline though, because I
Speaker 1: get locked out of the system Friday. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 1: you do make sure I finished that in time. I
Speaker 1: wrote the script and super fast and immediately just started
Speaker 1: recording vo and then I think I might like send
Speaker 1: it to QA just to make sure it's like sound.
Speaker 1: And then I mean it makes sense, it fits, it
Speaker 1: fits the game. In the video, it's me rambling about
Speaker 1: how great this game is and how ridiculous it is
Speaker 1: and and just all the absurdity in that game. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm hoping the disjointed rambles will work out.
Speaker 1: If they don't, you can get mad at me your
Speaker 1: own personal mind pretty much. But anyway, that's it. I
Speaker 1: I won't see you next week, but they will.
Speaker 4: Oh how did you do that?
Speaker 1: Oh? I'm sorry. I was about to say it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta I can't say that because
Speaker 1: it's not sure