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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. So what do you

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<v Speaker 2>do when it's cold, it's snowing, or it's raining, or

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<v Speaker 2>it's just freezing. If you're living in those sub zero

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the world, You gotta walk. You gotta keep walking.

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<v Speaker 2>What's great about walking? Walking is the ultimate exercises and

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<v Speaker 2>today we're going to be talking about it. It's funny

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<v Speaker 2>because we've had these experts on biohacking. What's biohacking, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting your health back, taking back your weight, your metabolism,

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<v Speaker 2>getting in shape, staying healthy, staying well, extending your life

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<v Speaker 2>the best you can. That's biohacking. It's funny because walking

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<v Speaker 2>is the ultimate bio hack because it doesn't take a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You can do it pretty much anywhere. And the beauty

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<v Speaker 2>of it and I talk about this all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>getting out in nature, connecting with nature. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a very important program and it kind of goes in

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<v Speaker 2>line with our biohacking series, but it's not part of

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<v Speaker 2>the series. It's outside of the series. It just happens

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<v Speaker 2>to fall in place with this new book called Walking Well,

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<v Speaker 2>a New Approach for Comfort, vitality and Inspiration in every step,

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<v Speaker 2>great title, And I got to say that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're always people are always talking about going out and

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<v Speaker 2>pumping iron, reducing your caloric intake, cutting back on alcohol,

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<v Speaker 2>cutting back on eating and sweets and so forth. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the holidays, my friend, and I'm a I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love sweets. What are you supposed to do when someone

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<v Speaker 2>puts an apple pie in your face? What are you

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do when they walk up to you with

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<v Speaker 2>a freshly made eggnog which has rum in it? What

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<v Speaker 2>are you supposed to do when there's gravy on mashed

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<v Speaker 2>potatoes and stuffing and turkey and butter on your vegetables?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you supposed to do? Turn it away? No,

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<v Speaker 2>this is your time to celebrate. It's the holidays. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>tired of these fitness experts telling us that we can't

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<v Speaker 2>have goodies for the holidays. Of all the times of

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<v Speaker 2>the season, of all the months of the year, the

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<v Speaker 2>holidays are a time to rejoice, to enjoy some good food,

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of pie, a candy cane. What the hell

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<v Speaker 2>you know? If we don't get it now, we're never

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get it. We're never gonna get it. We gotta

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<v Speaker 2>have have a time in our lives when we have

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<v Speaker 2>some sweets, we have some good food, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the time. It's the holidays, and so you indulge. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it's all about what is your New Year's resolution. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna stop eating sweets. I'm gonna it's just insane.

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<v Speaker 2>We hurt ourselves, we upset ourselves, we traumatize ourselves with

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<v Speaker 2>these insane rituals. During the holidays, it's time to indulge.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm serious. I had a girlfriend over the other

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<v Speaker 2>day who made me a eggnog and we put some

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<v Speaker 2>rum in it. It was wonderful. Oh yeah, And she

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<v Speaker 2>puts sprinkles, some nutmeg. It was. She whipped it up,

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<v Speaker 2>it was blended. It was almost like a big whip

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<v Speaker 2>whipping cream drink. But it was not quite to that consistency.

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<v Speaker 2>But oh god, did it tastes great. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>time for indulging, So enjoy, enjoy a little bit of goodie.

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<v Speaker 2>So but getting back to walking, I've always been a

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<v Speaker 2>big advocate of walking, and like I mentioned, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting out of nature. But if you don't, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not close to a park or you're not close to

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<v Speaker 2>the woods, walk out around the block, get some air,

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<v Speaker 2>connect and shift. There is something about walking or getting

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<v Speaker 2>out and moving, which is a moving meditation. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk about this. When you are moving, your

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<v Speaker 2>brain can relax a little bit. You're breathing in air.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great exercise. But also the longer you can walk,

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<v Speaker 2>the more ability that you have to shift, to alter,

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<v Speaker 2>to shift into an altered state where you are downloading information,

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<v Speaker 2>you are problem solving, you are moving through trauma, you're

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<v Speaker 2>moving through angst and anger and being upset. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if I've had a tough day, I've gotten in I

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<v Speaker 2>don't rarely have disputes where I'm yelling or screaming. That's

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<v Speaker 2>very rare. I don't think I've ever I can't even

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<v Speaker 2>think of a time where I'm getting to that anger level.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't let it happen. But I do get involved,

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone else in situations where you get upset or

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<v Speaker 2>you're angry, or you're frustrated, and a walk will relieve

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<v Speaker 2>you of that. You don't want to carry that emotion around.

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<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't serve you well, and if you hold

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<v Speaker 2>on to it, it can cause problems illnesses. If you

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<v Speaker 2>hold on anger and frustration and trauma. Long enough, you

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<v Speaker 2>can turn into illness, and they've proven this. But walking

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<v Speaker 2>can help you download data that you need. And right

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<v Speaker 2>now where I'm at, I'm in northern California. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a mile temperature, but it's like in the forties. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>what's freezing, thirty thirty degrees. I just don't do well

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<v Speaker 2>in the cool weather. And so I bundle up and

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<v Speaker 2>try to go for a walk and it feels great.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm downloading material, trying to you know, solving problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Things are coming up, and I'm writing about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>try not to bring my phone, but I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what I do. Have a recording feature on my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>and what I'll do is if something significant comes through,

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<v Speaker 2>like a chapter title or the few first section of

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<v Speaker 2>a book, or an article, or solving an issue, I

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about it. I'll record it. I had this

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<v Speaker 2>happen to me on our recent trip to Mexico. We

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<v Speaker 2>were at Chichiinitsa and the group was hearing a lecture

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<v Speaker 2>from our tour guy, Mimo Gonzalez, and I had been

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<v Speaker 2>there many many times, so I already knew what he

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<v Speaker 2>was going to talk about. So I stepped away, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was walking the length of the Great ball court.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the largest ball court I think in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Is huge, huge, It's not quite as long as a

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<v Speaker 2>football field, but it's close. It's not five hundred yards,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more like three hundred or three and a half

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fifty or more. And so I was

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<v Speaker 2>walking and all of a sudden I heard someone clapping

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<v Speaker 2>and there's an acoustic anomaly in that ball court, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all over that place, not just in the ballcarp

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<v Speaker 2>but they're everywhere in that archaeological park. And all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden I kind of shifted and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, I need to talk about this. I

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<v Speaker 2>need to write about this. This is extremely important. This

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<v Speaker 2>is an engineering that was built into this place. So

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<v Speaker 2>I quickly took out my phone, clicked on the recording app,

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<v Speaker 2>and talked for a little bit about what I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to include in this chapter. And that's the beauty of

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<v Speaker 2>a great example of walking, because I had been walking

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<v Speaker 2>from the entrance and following the group, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was also kind of clicking into this special place,

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<v Speaker 2>and so use that. Think about that when you are

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<v Speaker 2>walking as a download and it's fabulous. It doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be creative. It can be problem solving, or it

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<v Speaker 2>can be an Aha moment, or it can be one

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<v Speaker 2>of a thousand things that you need to hear, or

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<v Speaker 2>you need to experience, or you need to feel. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>today's program is Walking Well, a New Approach for comfort,

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<v Speaker 2>vitality and inspiration in every step, And my guest is

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Gelb. I never want.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to waste my time. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to mist I want to get up this ride. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all forms of exercises that we discussed on a

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<v Speaker 2>regular basis. Of course, there's yoga, tai chi, which are

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<v Speaker 2>the more spiritual in some cases, transitional exercises that are motivational,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're also good for extracting data and getting information

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<v Speaker 2>and we leaving stress and strain. But what you believe

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<v Speaker 2>there is a simple, very easy to do. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>laughing because it's so simple walking. Walking is a very

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental exercise that we don't think a great deal about.

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<v Speaker 2>And my guest today has written a book called Walking Well,

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<v Speaker 2>a New Approach for comfort, vitality and inspiration in every step.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest today is Michael Gelb. And I'm having Michael

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<v Speaker 2>on the program because this book came across my desk

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, well, what's he What's he writing a

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<v Speaker 2>book on walking? Everybody knows about it. There is so

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<v Speaker 2>much to walking, and we'll learn about this today. Not

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<v Speaker 2>only is it great for relieving stress and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great form of exercise, which we'll learn about. But one

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<v Speaker 2>of the areas that I have discovered and when I

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<v Speaker 2>do my walk, and I try to do a walk

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<v Speaker 2>at least once or twice a week, is the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that it can bring up creativity. It's actually great for

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration and when I have a problem in work, in

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<v Speaker 2>writing or whatever, if I set up kind of an

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<v Speaker 2>idea ahead of time before my walk, I'll get answers,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get information and how does that work? And we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna learn know about that today. So Michael Gelb is

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<v Speaker 2>a pioneer in the field of creative thinking. He's an

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<v Speaker 2>executive coach and also an innovative leadership. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>fifth degree black belt in Aikido and also a teacher

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<v Speaker 2>in taichi. He's an exercise guy, obviously. So he's the

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<v Speaker 2>one who wrote the book, which is actually it makes

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<v Speaker 2>a great deal of sense, doesn't it. So Hey, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on the program,

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<v Speaker 2>Great to be with you. Thanks. All right, the first

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<v Speaker 2>question is, oh, I want to mention also, you co

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<v Speaker 2>wrote this book by with Bruce Fertman, and he's also

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<v Speaker 2>an exercise guy who's study studies movement. But why did

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<v Speaker 2>you guys get together and decide to write this book?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's something that and we'll talk. Obviously there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to this, a lot of dip to this book,

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<v Speaker 2>which is fantastic. But here we are everyone's walking to

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<v Speaker 2>get around and moving, and what was the inspiration? Did

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<v Speaker 2>you have kind of an aha moment like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this has to be written. Talk about that? Yeah, sure, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've known Bruce, Bruce Fertman for more than forty

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<v Speaker 3>years and he's a movement genius, like really truly gifted.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he got a full scholarship to Penn State

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<v Speaker 3>in gymnastics back when Penn State was the leading gymnastics

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<v Speaker 3>program in the country. Wow, just a great gymnast. He

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<v Speaker 3>was really good at helping other gymnasts choreographed their routines.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a natural gift as a coach and a

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<v Speaker 3>teacher as well as a movement artist himself, and he

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<v Speaker 3>became a professional modern dancer, and then he trained as

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<v Speaker 3>an Alexander Technique teacher, which is how I got to

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<v Speaker 3>know him, because I also trained as an Alexander Technique teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>And my very first book is called Body Learning and

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<v Speaker 3>Introduction to the Alexander Technique came out forty three years

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<v Speaker 3>ago and it's still in print. And Bruce was very

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<v Speaker 3>gracious when the book came out in nineteen eighty one,

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<v Speaker 3>he invited me to his Alexander Technique training school in Philadelphia,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was featuring a workshop with one of the

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<v Speaker 3>original teachers who had studied with Alexander, named Marge Barstow,

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<v Speaker 3>who's another amazingly gifted master teacher. So we initially can

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<v Speaker 3>around how do you make movement easier? That's what the

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<v Speaker 3>Alexander Technique is all about. How do you bring more

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<v Speaker 3>grace and poise and comfort and energy and inspiration to

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<v Speaker 3>your life every day?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>So roll the clock ahead, and we both study aikdo

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<v Speaker 3>tai chi, all sorts of different movement modalities. We both

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<v Speaker 3>teach these things, and I guess it was just it's

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<v Speaker 3>only well, guess January of two, twenty twenty three, that's

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<v Speaker 3>where the big epiphany that you asked about happened, because

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<v Speaker 3>and Bruce heard I was coming back to New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 3>He moved there a while ago, and he said he

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<v Speaker 3>I got to tell you, I was skeptical because it's like, Okay, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I've been teaching all this stuff for years,

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<v Speaker 3>So I was skeptical but open minded. So Bruce and

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<v Speaker 3>I all got together and I said, in your basically said,

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<v Speaker 3>Show me what you got. So he gave me this lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought, wow, if we could translate what you've

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<v Speaker 3>don't need a video, you don't need to go on

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<v Speaker 3>a seminar. You can read our book. And if you

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<v Speaker 3>of the first chapter, every step will get easier, and

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<v Speaker 3>then it will just get easier, and we're energizing with

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<v Speaker 3>then we just decided we're going to do this together.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was a fabulous creative collaboration where we pushed

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it comes across well. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to explain, I hope you can explain

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<v Speaker 2>walkie is like breathing for most people, we get up

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<v Speaker 2>and we walk around the house, we get out in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden, we walk around the front yard. But one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that you bring up that's very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>you can, why this is important and some of the

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<v Speaker 2>where you're paying attention to the movement, how you touch

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<v Speaker 3>Great question, It's really important for so many reasons, but

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the most compelling one is that for most people,

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<v Speaker 3>the vast majority of people, their gait declines as they

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<v Speaker 3>get older. They call it walking steadiness, and there's a

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<v Speaker 3>direct correlation with a decline in your walking steadiness, which

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<v Speaker 3>as you walk your two feet on the ground. As

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<v Speaker 3>death from all causes goes up dramatically. As you're walking

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<v Speaker 3>steadiness declines. So, now here's why that's relevant. Whatever age

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<v Speaker 3>you are, if you've ever had an injury, sprained your ankle,

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<v Speaker 3>It could be an emotional trauma, which pretty much everybody's had.

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<v Speaker 3>All of these things can throw off your gait. And

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<v Speaker 3>let's say you broke your leg or sprained your ankle,

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<v Speaker 3>and you got it treated, and now it's officially healed. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the immediate wound or injury might have healed, the bone

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<v Speaker 3>might have healed, the ankle might have healed. But the

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<v Speaker 3>distortion to your gate probably is something you're not aware of,

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<v Speaker 3>and it will therefore be unconscious. And I know this

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<v Speaker 3>not just from studying it academically. I know it from

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<v Speaker 3>watching the people who walk by my window as I've

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<v Speaker 3>been writing the book. And I have to tell you

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<v Speaker 3>I really know it myself because I've been studying movement,

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<v Speaker 3>practicing it how to improve it for my whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>And I had a hip replacement and a knee replaced, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>and the shoulder replacement. And what I what I guarantee

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<v Speaker 3>you is if if if I didn't know what I know,

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<v Speaker 3>I would look like this when I'm talking to say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, walking is good for you, and you'll feel back.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't look like that because each time I

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<v Speaker 3>had these injuries and these traumas, with the go with

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<v Speaker 3>the surgeries. I use everything that's in this book to

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<v Speaker 3>recover and get stronger and more balanced than I was

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<v Speaker 3>before the surgery.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm you know, I'm not saying this from some

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<v Speaker 3>exalted thing of like I'm on some perfect state and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always moving. No, I have been through hell physically,

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<v Speaker 3>and but I've come out of it. And and that's

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<v Speaker 3>part of my passion for sharing all this because I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you something. Here's here's a simple thing. Here's a

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<v Speaker 3>just for free biohacking. You can call it if you

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big term we've been using on the on

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<v Speaker 2>our show, biohacking is. And that's why you're here, friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I'm gonna give just here's one you know,

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<v Speaker 3>even if you don't read the book, even if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't study everything that will change your life forever, forget that.

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<v Speaker 3>Just do this one thing. Start doing this every day.

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<v Speaker 3>Stand on one leg and then stand on the other

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<v Speaker 3>one leg for one minute a day, every day. Because

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<v Speaker 3>here's a really simple truth about walking when you walk

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<v Speaker 3>in a normal gate, you balance on one leg forty

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<v Speaker 3>percent of the time. But if you're not really able

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<v Speaker 3>to balance well on one leg because of injury or trauma,

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<v Speaker 3>unconscious distortion of your gait, your gate's gonna to keep declining.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you specifically consciously focus on balancing on one

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<v Speaker 3>leg every single day, you will strengthen your ability to

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<v Speaker 3>balance on one leg and you will protect your gait

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<v Speaker 3>as you get older. And if you want to try

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<v Speaker 3>the advanced practice, you can try that with your eyes closed.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about gate. Now, gate to me is the

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<v Speaker 2>walking manner, yes, and rhythm and a rhythmatic pattern. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're staying in this pattern, uh, And it's your whole

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<v Speaker 2>body moving in rhythm with your legs, with your feet

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<v Speaker 2>touching the ground right, yes, okay, So and people talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the gate and the gate to me and I

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<v Speaker 2>think you bring this up on the book, is this

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<v Speaker 2>is your sacred rhythm. I'm using the word sacred rhythm,

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<v Speaker 2>we said, And when you are out of this rhythm,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the case of for you and I want

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<v Speaker 2>you just talk about this real briefly. When you have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of friends that not a lot. I have

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<v Speaker 2>few people that are aging that are having a very

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<v Speaker 2>common hip replacement. When you are having a hip replacement,

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<v Speaker 2>you're thrown out of whack. Talk about your recovery, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>and any injury and why it's important probably to get

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<v Speaker 2>back out in exercise walking again, to get back into

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<v Speaker 2>that sacred rhythm.

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<v Speaker 3>Beautifully stated, Well, it is a sacred rhythm, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's a natural rhythm, and it's natural for you. So

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<v Speaker 3>your natural gait, your sense of harmony with the earth,

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<v Speaker 3>of the flow of your own body as you move along.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something that makes the difference in every aspect of

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<v Speaker 3>your life. How do you walk through life? It's a

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<v Speaker 3>powerful metaphor. How do you walk into the room, how

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<v Speaker 3>do you walk through your house? You know, some people

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<v Speaker 3>go on a sacred pilgrimage. One of my clients went

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<v Speaker 3>to Santiago de Compo. Stella recently called me up from

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<v Speaker 3>the airport said can you give me some coaching on

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<v Speaker 3>my walking before I do it? Twenty twenty every day

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<v Speaker 3>this is officially sacred walk, but you're right. Our book,

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<v Speaker 3>the idea is to make every walk a sacred walk.

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<v Speaker 3>And what makes it sacred is really allowing your own

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<v Speaker 3>natural flow, your natural rhythm to come forth. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you're having a surgery, obviously do everything your doctor tells you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they get you up walking right away after

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<v Speaker 3>the hip surgery, same day. And the reason for that

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<v Speaker 3>because they used to have you rest and they realize

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<v Speaker 3>it made you much worse. No, you got to get

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<v Speaker 3>out there and start walking. Do what the physical therapist

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<v Speaker 3>teach you. They have a lot of wisdom and knowledge

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<v Speaker 3>to help measure all this and get you fundamentally mechanically

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<v Speaker 2>But what son I teach.

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<v Speaker 3>You takes you to a whole other level that we

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<v Speaker 3>could teach to the physical therapists and to the doctors

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<v Speaker 3>that would improve their gait. And it's based on the

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<v Speaker 3>combination of our study of the Alexander technique of Tai

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<v Speaker 3>Chi I chigong. And really, I got to tell you

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<v Speaker 3>another thing about Bruce. He moved to New Mexico more

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<v Speaker 3>than forty years ago and he lives near this famous slope.

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<v Speaker 3>It's where Jojo O'Keefe used to go to paint her

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<v Speaker 3>amazing paintings. She used to walk along the slope. It's

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<v Speaker 3>four and a half miles going up. Part of what

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<v Speaker 3>got me interested in talking to Bruce in the first

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<v Speaker 3>place about this and making an appointment to actually get

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<v Speaker 3>together with him and show me what you got. He

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<v Speaker 3>said to me. Look, I moved there. I was forty

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<v Speaker 3>years old, he said. Now I'm seventy four, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>walking up this hill with less effort and faster than

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<v Speaker 3>I did when I was forty. I think people might

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<v Speaker 3>be interested in how I figured out how to do that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can talk about you know, what are the

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<v Speaker 3>I'll give you the specifics if you want of what

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<v Speaker 3>people can start thinking about now. Besides practicing standing on

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<v Speaker 3>one leg, that's a more mechanical thing. But the key

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<v Speaker 3>elements in finding your natural gait are the first three

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<v Speaker 3>experiments that we guide the reader.

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<v Speaker 2>To do in the first part of the Bubble. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that, because I wanted you to tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about how we discover our natural rhythm. And this is very,

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<v Speaker 2>very early in the book, where you're having you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're touching the ground, you're moving, and you're feeling your body,

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<v Speaker 2>which a lot of people don't even pay attention to,

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<v Speaker 2>and why this is important for this sacred risk of

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<v Speaker 2>them sacred walk, whatever you want to call it. So

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and give us a sense of how to

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, well, you just you just gave the clue, which

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<v Speaker 3>is if you can feel it, you can heal it.

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<v Speaker 3>But you have to be able to feel it. And

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<v Speaker 3>as you said, most people aren't paying attention. They take

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<v Speaker 3>walking for granted, they take driving for granted. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>most people don't think they need to go on improve

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<v Speaker 3>your driving course. But if you've been out on the road,

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<v Speaker 3>you know they actually do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you know, one thing I want to just stop

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<v Speaker 2>you for a minute, Michael. One thing that you bring

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<v Speaker 2>up that I thought was very interesting and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, But you said, do not walk on

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<v Speaker 2>heels when you're starting out and you're discovering your gait

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<v Speaker 2>or our sacred pattern, walk on flat ground. Why is

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<v Speaker 2>that important in the very beginning when we're introducing these fundamentals.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, one thing I've learned pedagogically, and Bruce will back

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<v Speaker 3>it as easy as possible for people to learn and

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<v Speaker 3>make progress. And say, ah, so set yourself up for

418
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<v Speaker 3>success before you start climbing hills or stairs or going downhill,

419
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<v Speaker 3>which is actually more challenging. Practice these principles on a

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<v Speaker 3>flat surface so that you're minimizing the stress. Because once

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<v Speaker 3>you can apply this on a flat surface, and it

422
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<v Speaker 3>doesn't really take that long for most people to understand

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<v Speaker 3>that there's something wonderful that's gonna emerge as they practice this.

424
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<v Speaker 3>Of course, it's not just like you'll read the first

425
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<v Speaker 3>chapter say Okay, I got it, and now I don't

426
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<v Speaker 3>have to think about it again. I got to tell

427
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<v Speaker 3>you to think about it every step I take. It

428
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<v Speaker 3>has changed my level of mindfulness about my own walking

429
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<v Speaker 3>in a wonderful way because I'm just getting more. I

430
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<v Speaker 3>feel more with every step, get more feedback from the

431
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<v Speaker 3>ground with every step, and I can make adjustments. That's

432
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<v Speaker 3>the real thing, is making adjustments. Most people are you know,

433
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<v Speaker 3>they're pounding the pavement if they know the walking is

434
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<v Speaker 3>a great exercise, which it is. There's tons of research.

435
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<v Speaker 3>They think I got to get my ten thousand steps,

436
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<v Speaker 3>and they're out there striding forward to try to get

437
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<v Speaker 3>those steps and looking at their watch or their device,

438
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<v Speaker 3>how am I doing? And they're not feeling it. They're

439
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<v Speaker 3>not connecting to it. And so what Bruce and I

440
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<v Speaker 3>focus on is much more the quality of those steps.

441
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<v Speaker 3>And when you improve the quality of each step, you'll

442
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<v Speaker 3>want to walk more because it feels better. You won't

443
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<v Speaker 3>have to worry about ten thousand steps. You'll say, I

444
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<v Speaker 3>guess I have to get back from my walk because

445
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<v Speaker 3>I have to actually call somebody or do something else,

446
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 3>because you'll just want to walk more because it feels

447
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<v Speaker 3>so good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take a shit or commercial break to allow

449
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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

450
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<v Speaker 2>with my guest today Michael Gelb discussing his new release

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<v Speaker 2>Walking Well. We'll be right back. My guest today is

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<v Speaker 2>author Michael Gelb, who's written a new book on walking

453
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<v Speaker 2>called Walking Well, a new approach for comfort, vitality, and inspiration.

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<v Speaker 2>In every step, give us a brief hint as to

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<v Speaker 2>becoming aware of how we touch the earth. Give us

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the samples if you can sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they go in sequence, and it's really important to

458
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<v Speaker 3>do them in sequence. So what I'll do is I

459
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<v Speaker 3>will answer what you've asked, and I'm happy to say

460
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<v Speaker 3>all three steps, sure, But don't I you know it

461
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<v Speaker 3>comes with a caveat, which is, don't think you can

462
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<v Speaker 3>just say Okay, I just go through those three steps

463
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<v Speaker 3>and I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, because so the three steps.

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<v Speaker 3>Are first, consider what would happen if you let your

466
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<v Speaker 3>feet come down the way they want to without imposing

467
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<v Speaker 3>any idea of how it should come back. And obviously

468
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<v Speaker 3>what you need to do is go for a walk

469
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<v Speaker 3>and explore that, and we guide you on how to

470
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<v Speaker 3>do that, and then write in a journal or a

471
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<v Speaker 3>notebook or talk about it with a friend, and notice

472
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<v Speaker 3>how you feel. Most people feel, Wow, it's kind of

473
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<v Speaker 3>a little awkward, it feels almost a little sloppy, but

474
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<v Speaker 3>it's also kind of liberating.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

476
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so once you go through that exercise and you

477
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<v Speaker 3>reach that aha, that feeling of wow, what's it like

478
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<v Speaker 3>to let my maybe my feet no better than my

479
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<v Speaker 3>analytical brain about what natural walking is? What if I

480
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<v Speaker 3>turn them loose and let them explore? How fascinating. Then

481
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<v Speaker 3>the second step is might be the most powerful one

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<v Speaker 3>of all. What Bruce and I noticed, not just in

483
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<v Speaker 3>other people but in ourselves is it pretty much everybody

484
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<v Speaker 3>braces their foot and their ankle before that foot hits

485
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<v Speaker 3>the ground. They stiffen up, they brace for impact. So

486
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<v Speaker 3>go for a walk, then bring your attention. You know

487
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<v Speaker 3>we have them. Do it first, Just check your right leg,

488
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<v Speaker 3>right ankle, and foot.

489
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<v Speaker 2>Am I bracing even slightly?

490
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<v Speaker 3>Most people will discover, oh my god, I am, and

491
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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing it on my left leg as well. And

492
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<v Speaker 3>then you ask, what would happen if I just gave

493
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<v Speaker 3>up bracing to prepare for impact? What if I didn't

494
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<v Speaker 3>have to brace my ankles at all? And again, you

495
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 3>got to go actually experiment with this. Go for it,

496
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<v Speaker 3>we say on the twelve minute walk, that seems to

497
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<v Speaker 3>be the optimum to really get it. Come back, write

498
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<v Speaker 3>it in your journal, talk about it with somebody else.

499
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<v Speaker 3>And I gotta tell you it's very humbling because we're

500
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<v Speaker 3>the authors. And if we don't monitor it, we'll go

501
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:58.119
<v Speaker 3>back to bracing our ankles too, because we're all dealing

502
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<v Speaker 3>with a lot of stress and there's a lot of

503
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.519
<v Speaker 3>tendency to want to hold on instead of let go.

504
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<v Speaker 2>So are you saying that we're dumping our stress and

505
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<v Speaker 2>our trauma and our fatigue and problems into our gait

506
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<v Speaker 2>And this is where we're having incorrect walking.

507
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<v Speaker 3>Everything everything, every stress, every bit of stress, every negative thought,

508
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.719
<v Speaker 3>every worry, every trauma. Every time you watch the news,

509
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 3>and you recoil from it. The recoil is happening in

510
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 3>your actual body in real time, instantaneously. It's held as

511
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.719
<v Speaker 3>unconscious tension, and it definitely interferes with your gait, It

512
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.519
<v Speaker 3>interferes with your breathing, It interferes with your ability to

513
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 3>feel the joy of life. It doesn't really protect you.

514
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<v Speaker 3>That's the sad part.

515
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<v Speaker 2>It does.

516
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<v Speaker 3>It's a it's an unconscious fear response that is evolutionary.

517
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<v Speaker 3>It's it served for when you were being attacked by

518
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<v Speaker 3>a predator, or if you were afraid of falling out

519
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<v Speaker 3>of a tree and you had to roll up into

520
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<v Speaker 3>a ball so you didn't break everything. It's that that's

521
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<v Speaker 3>exactly we'll do now. But here's the thing that they

522
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<v Speaker 3>don't realize is they do it like they do it

523
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<v Speaker 3>just slightly every time, every time you turn on the news,

524
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<v Speaker 3>every time somebody says something that upsets you, every time

525
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<v Speaker 3>you're frustrated waiting in line at the not getting the service,

526
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 3>whatever it is, you know, whatever it is, not to

527
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<v Speaker 3>mention injury, not to mention real challenges in your life.

528
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<v Speaker 3>Each of these things is held instantaneously in your whole

529
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<v Speaker 3>body as unnecessary tension, and that builds up over the

530
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<v Speaker 3>course of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

532
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<v Speaker 3>But the amazing thing is so you can go to

533
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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of therapies, and I recommend them all because

534
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<v Speaker 3>I think we all need all the help we can get.

535
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<v Speaker 3>So you know, get go, get reky reiki, Go get ralphing,

536
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 3>go get Alexander technique, Go get a massage, meditate, do yoga,

537
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 3>do tai chi, do everything. But walking is something you're

538
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 3>already doing every day. So what if you could turn that?

539
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.679
<v Speaker 3>What if you could turn every step you take into

540
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 3>a healing opportunity? Right, And that's that's what walking Well

541
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<v Speaker 3>is all about.

542
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<v Speaker 2>Right. We want people to obviously to buy the books

543
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<v Speaker 2>so they can learn in the very beginning how to

544
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>measure and correct any problems you're having with walking. But

545
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<v Speaker 2>obviously the goal is to get in in a rhythm

546
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<v Speaker 2>so that when you're walking, you're walking not only to

547
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 2>benefit the physical And this is the beauty of this book.

548
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<v Speaker 2>You bring in the higher levels and you're beginning to connect.

549
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<v Speaker 2>This is what makes your book very special is and

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to talk about this. When we are

551
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<v Speaker 2>walking correctly and in harmony, then it allows us to

552
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 2>release tension and talk about that and then talk about

553
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<v Speaker 2>moving into the higher realms where you're getting inspiration and creativity.

554
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<v Speaker 3>Sure, well, before we go to the higher realms, let's

555
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<v Speaker 3>go to the feet and the earth. So and I know,

556
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<v Speaker 3>let's see the beautiful You're making these beautiful gestures while

557
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<v Speaker 3>you were describing the.

558
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<v Speaker 2>I want to get out for a walk. Me too.

559
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<v Speaker 3>So so just to give everybody the third step that

560
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<v Speaker 3>really does ground this and sets us up for getting

561
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<v Speaker 3>the inspiration and getting more energy and vitality from every step.

562
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<v Speaker 3>So what if I let my feet come down anyway

563
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<v Speaker 3>they want? What if I realize there's absolutely no need

564
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<v Speaker 3>to brace my ankles and my feet in preparation for

565
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<v Speaker 3>the foot to come down on the earth. And that

566
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<v Speaker 3>leads to the real, wonderful physical discovery that human beings,

567
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<v Speaker 3>like bears, we are plantigrades. So your dog or your

568
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<v Speaker 3>cat is a digital grade. They effectively walk on their toes.

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<v Speaker 3>Their paws are their toes. That's the paws are the

570
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<v Speaker 3>names for dog and cat toes. But bears plant to

571
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<v Speaker 3>means soul of the foot, so we grate along with

572
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<v Speaker 3>the whole soul of the foot. That's what a bear does.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why they look so comfortable and relaxed and powerful,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what humans are design to do as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Our whole foot is designed to peel along the ground

576
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<v Speaker 3>with every step. And you can't peel along if you're

577
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<v Speaker 3>bracing your ankle for impact. So you see why there's

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<v Speaker 3>a sequence here. But once you start releasing your ankle,

579
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<v Speaker 3>you eat start peeling along. And we guide people to

580
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<v Speaker 3>actually say peel, peel with every step they take.

581
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<v Speaker 2>And this is.

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<v Speaker 3>A really big experiential epiphany that our readers are having,

583
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<v Speaker 3>which is when I let my foot really peel along

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<v Speaker 3>the ground. We've met many, many people write to us

585
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:48.079
<v Speaker 3>and just tell us in our seminars, I felt more

586
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<v Speaker 3>connected with Mother Earth than I ever have. I felt

587
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<v Speaker 3>the support of the whole earth underneath me.

588
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<v Speaker 2>You know. Tick not Han writes.

589
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<v Speaker 3>A walk as though you're kissing the earth with every step,

590
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<v Speaker 3>and Bruce and I say, yes, but make it a big, long,

591
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<v Speaker 3>juicy kiss. It's not a quick one. It's a nice

592
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<v Speaker 3>kiss of the earth. And then you realize something else

593
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<v Speaker 3>that is profoundly inspirational and really transformational. Even though it's

594
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<v Speaker 3>a good metaphorical advice that we tell you to stand

595
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<v Speaker 3>on your own two feet, you know it means support

596
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<v Speaker 3>yourself and life and be empowered and be independent. Good advice,

597
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<v Speaker 3>but not at all possible physiologically or anatomically. You cannot

598
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<v Speaker 3>stand on your own two feet. Your feet are part

599
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<v Speaker 3>of you. You stand on the earth. So feel the

600
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<v Speaker 3>support of the earth with every step that you take.

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<v Speaker 3>Let your the sole of your foot spread out and luxuriate.

602
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<v Speaker 3>With every step that you take. Not only will you

603
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<v Speaker 3>feel more supported, but you'll also realize that the power

604
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<v Speaker 3>in walking comes from behind you and underneath you. So

605
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<v Speaker 3>what you realize is the way you go forward is

606
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<v Speaker 3>not by striding forward, which is what I see people

607
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:15.320
<v Speaker 3>who are walking for exercise doing out my window. All

608
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<v Speaker 3>the time. They're straining and striding forward, they're pounding the pavement,

609
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 3>they're striking the ground, and they're further traumatizing themselves and

610
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<v Speaker 3>the earth, although the earth can take it, but they can't.

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<v Speaker 3>With every step, but instead, you start to feel the peel.

612
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<v Speaker 3>You feel that the power is coming from behind you.

613
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<v Speaker 3>It's your back foot peeling off the ground that actually

614
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<v Speaker 3>moves you forward. And then if you release your ankle,

615
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 3>your foot just gently caresses the earth right underneath you.

616
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<v Speaker 3>Because now you're getting the power from the other foot,

617
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<v Speaker 3>which has become the backfoot. So it's your back foot

618
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<v Speaker 3>that is the source of the power. You don't stride forward,

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<v Speaker 3>you let the earth propel you forward, and that's where

620
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<v Speaker 3>it becomes. The next epiphany is when you put all

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<v Speaker 3>this together. When you put these first three lessons together,

622
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<v Speaker 3>people feel like they're walking happens effortlessly, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>the next that's the real breakthrough. Uh. You know the

624
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<v Speaker 3>word walk to walk, it comes from Welsh and Middle

625
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<v Speaker 3>English origins and it means to roll along. Really that's

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<v Speaker 3>what Yes, that's what it feels like when you're walking, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you feel like it's just happening underneath you and it's effortless,

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<v Speaker 3>and that freeze you up for the inspiration, the aha,

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<v Speaker 3>the problem solving, the connection with nature, the feeling of

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual oneness. But it's grounded in feeling supported and connected

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<v Speaker 3>to the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to mention that this book has been broken

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<v Speaker 2>into three sections. Comfort, which is what we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>right now, Vitality, which is what we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>into shortly, and then fascinating enough inspiration and what Michael

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<v Speaker 2>and Bruce have done is give us the framework so

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<v Speaker 2>that we can and, as Michael is describing, give us

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of this ability which is innate in us

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<v Speaker 2>to get the most out of it, so that we

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<v Speaker 2>are connected fully body, mind and spirit in our walking daily.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's move into vitality for a minute, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about one area that you get into

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<v Speaker 2>with a great deal of detail, which is brief breath.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about that, well, it's really important. I can't get

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<v Speaker 2>a row without it. But when we walk, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's more even. I mean, it's almost unconscious. It is unconscious,

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<v Speaker 2>but to be aware of it also is important too,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Well, one of my favorite AHAs in the breathing

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<v Speaker 3>section is everybody familiar with apnea, which is an interference

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<v Speaker 3>with your breathing. Sometimes some people suffer from sleep apnea,

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<v Speaker 3>where they have problems with their breathing when they're sleeping,

653
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<v Speaker 3>but most everybody suffers from some kind of apnea in

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<v Speaker 3>their daily life, some interference with breathing, chronic sinus issues,

655
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<v Speaker 3>mouth breathing, gasping for breath, shortness of breath. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just pausing to really enjoy the beauty of an easy, full,

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<v Speaker 3>happy breath, because it really is one of life's most

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<v Speaker 3>exquisite effortless pleasures is just Bruce and I like to

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<v Speaker 3>think of it as when you discover what we call, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't call it. It's there's a name for it. It's oopnia.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really fun word, and it means natural, healthy breathing.

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<v Speaker 3>So apnea is interferenced with your breathing. Oopnia is healthy,

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<v Speaker 3>natural breathing. There's actually a word oopnia.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear something like Willie Wonka's chocolate factory.

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<v Speaker 3>I was so happy when I found that word.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta tell you it's a real word.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. And and so then how do you access it? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>both Bruce and I feel like natural breathing feels like

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<v Speaker 3>you're being breathed. There's no effort, you don't have to do.

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<v Speaker 3>You actually don't have to do all kinds of breathing exercises.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've studied lots of different forms of breath work.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of them are great, and I'm not saying don't

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<v Speaker 3>do them. What I'm saying is you may not need them.

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<v Speaker 3>Because one of the wonderful things that happens when you

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<v Speaker 3>start walking naturally is it naturally starts to regulate your breathing.

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<v Speaker 3>When you find that natural, sacred rhythm, you're inviting the

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<v Speaker 3>natural sacred rhythm of your own inhalation and exhalation. There

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<v Speaker 3>is one practical thing, and I love both Bruce and

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<v Speaker 3>I love giving really practical advice. A lot of stuff

680
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<v Speaker 3>is very subtle, and you have to study it and

681
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<v Speaker 3>feel it and take your time and write in your journal.

682
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<v Speaker 3>But there's a couple things I like to tell people

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<v Speaker 3>you can just either do or stop doing. So we

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<v Speaker 3>already said. One thing you can do is stay on

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<v Speaker 3>one leg every day. Another thing you can do is

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<v Speaker 3>keep your mouth closed and breathe through your nose. They

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<v Speaker 3>might say, well, I have sinus problems and blah blah blah. Yeah,

688
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<v Speaker 3>but what happens is if you just make it a

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<v Speaker 3>practice whenever you remember to gently close your mouth and

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<v Speaker 3>invite the air in through your nostrils. The more you

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<v Speaker 3>invite that, the easier it gets. Now in the book,

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<v Speaker 3>we give some practices you can do to acupuncture points

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<v Speaker 3>that help open the flow and the sinuses. We have

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<v Speaker 3>a great practice on how to flare your nostrils like

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<v Speaker 3>a horse. But the most beautiful, simple, elegant practice is

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<v Speaker 3>just walk with your lips together and let the air

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<v Speaker 3>come in through your nose, invite it in and then

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<v Speaker 3>let it out again. And in the beginning especially, don't

699
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<v Speaker 3>walk so fast. People are getting exercised. They're walking so

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<v Speaker 3>fast that they start panting and they're breathing through their mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't walk that fast if you can't keep your mouth closed.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's you know, the science behind this is overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 2>We interviewed.

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Brown and Patricia Gearbarg, both very accomplished medical doctors authors.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the founders of Breath Body Mind. And it was

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<v Speaker 3>also really blessed to interview Patrick McCown, who wrote The

707
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<v Speaker 3>Oxygen Advantage and you know these you know where the

708
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<v Speaker 3>James Nester is best selling book on breathing, Well, those

709
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 3>are his two main sources. And they both become friends

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<v Speaker 3>of mine, so I know you I know Richard Brown

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<v Speaker 3>and Patricia Gerberg personally, spend time with them, go to

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00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.639
<v Speaker 3>their home. Patrick McCown was so gracious, I'd zoomed with

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<v Speaker 3>him a number of times. But if I sum up

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<v Speaker 3>some it all up, you can go back, because you

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<v Speaker 3>can go in the book. There are the references if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to read the science behind why this is

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<v Speaker 3>so much better for you. We've got it. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to just the simplest thing you can stop

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<v Speaker 3>doing is stop breathing through your mouth when you're walking,

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<v Speaker 3>keep your lips closed. Then if you want to practice

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<v Speaker 3>one actual breathing exercise when you're not walking, that will

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<v Speaker 3>help regulate everything and give you the most benefit with

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<v Speaker 3>the least effort. That's coherent breathing, which both Brown, gerk

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<v Speaker 3>Bard and also Patrick McCown all advocate, which is very

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<v Speaker 3>simply allowing the inhill for five point five seconds proximately

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<v Speaker 3>and the exhale for five point five seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's it. Now you can do.

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<v Speaker 3>There's all sorts of other patterns you can do, and

729
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<v Speaker 3>there's box breathing, and there's whim Hoff breathing, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of you know, pranayama. You're doing it through

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<v Speaker 3>your all good. I've done it all I practice I

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<v Speaker 3>actually I practice a lot of it, and it's all

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<v Speaker 3>really good. But what's the simplest that will have the

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<v Speaker 3>most immediate benefit in your life, in the vitality that

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<v Speaker 3>you feel every day. The simplest thing is keep your

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<v Speaker 3>mouth closed whenever you remember, breathe through your nose and

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<v Speaker 3>then if you want to practice something, practice coherent breathing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a short commercial break to allow

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<v Speaker 2>our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly

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<v Speaker 2>with my guest today, Michael Gilb discuss I seen his

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<v Speaker 2>new book Walking Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Gaze up on the Sky Christmas on mind somewhere from

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<v Speaker 3>a plaza pie above, there's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Song of travel. My guess today is Michael Gelb, who's

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<v Speaker 2>written a book called Walking Well. We all walk, we

746
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<v Speaker 2>all get outside and do our exercising, but this is

747
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<v Speaker 2>a different way to look at motivation for walking and

748
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<v Speaker 2>some of the inspiration you can get from taking a

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<v Speaker 2>daily walk. As we come to the conclusion of our

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<v Speaker 2>time together, I want to talk about the inspirational aspect

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that you tap some of the Eastern

752
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<v Speaker 2>philosophy here where through the movement of walking, we're also

753
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<v Speaker 2>when we're in rhythm in our walk, we're also able

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<v Speaker 2>to tap the higher levels of consciousness. And you give

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<v Speaker 2>great examples of Leonardo da Vinci and many of the

756
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<v Speaker 2>great thinkers, artists and scientists of human experience walking for

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<v Speaker 2>their inspiration. I want you to talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about that and give us a sense of how that's

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<v Speaker 2>achieved and at what point if you can during the walk,

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<v Speaker 2>we achieve those stants of higher levels of consciousness.

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<v Speaker 3>So if one tried to write a book about geniuses

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<v Speaker 3>throughout history from all walks of life who didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>to walk, it would be a very very small book,

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<v Speaker 3>because you look through the history of genius, which I

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<v Speaker 3>have done throughout my career, and they all say walking

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<v Speaker 3>is the thing. Walking is the way. If you want

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<v Speaker 3>to get a great idea, go for a walk. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're frustrated, if you have a challenge or a problem,

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<v Speaker 3>go for a walk. The ancient Latin phrase is solvetour ambulando,

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00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 3>solve it while walking. Hippocrates said that walking is the

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<v Speaker 3>best medicine. But of course, when we started this project

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<v Speaker 3>and we're going to write a book about it, having

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<v Speaker 3>previously written a number of books about Leonardo da Vinci,

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<v Speaker 3>including How to Think Like Leonardo da Vinci, I went

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<v Speaker 3>back to Leonardo's notebooks and I said, okay, what did

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<v Speaker 3>Leonardo write about walking? Because people generally consider it to

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<v Speaker 3>be maybe the great genius in human history, and so

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<v Speaker 3>not only does he advocate walking, especially walking in nature,

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<v Speaker 3>as the best means for getting inspiration, which he says

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<v Speaker 3>in multiple places in the notebook, and he tells a

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<v Speaker 3>student take a break, go for a walk when you're

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<v Speaker 3>struggling with a technical issue when a painting. But the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that really rocked my world in a most wonderful

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<v Speaker 3>way was to discover that it was Leonardo da Vinci

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<v Speaker 3>who invented the pedometer, right, it's not wild, And then

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<v Speaker 3>Thomas Jefferson, who came up with a pretty good idea

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<v Speaker 3>of life libert in the Pursuit of Happiness. Jefferson said

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<v Speaker 3>that walking is by far the best form of exercise.

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<v Speaker 3>And Jefferson invented a pedometer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was his, the one that clipped onto the

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<v Speaker 2>belt and every bit a movement calculated a step or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a very inventive guy at Jefferson, as was

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<v Speaker 3>as was Leonardo. But it's also poets and authors and musicians, philosophers.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to find.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really hard to find a great genius who didn't say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I got my best idea as well walking. But here's

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that's true, even if you haven't read our book.

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<v Speaker 3>So but seriously, you go for a walk anyway if

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<v Speaker 3>you because even if you don't walk as well as

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<v Speaker 3>you will after you read our book, walking is still

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<v Speaker 3>one of the best ways to get a breakthrough idea.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been guiding my clients to walk for inspiration since

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of my career. However, something really powerful, really important.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody knows now that besides verbal intelligence and mathematical intelligence,

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<v Speaker 3>there's also kinesthetic intelligence, in other words, body intelligence. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody like Lebron James has a very advanced kinesthetic intelligence,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is something you can develop. You can develop

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<v Speaker 3>like if you start peeling when you walk, you'll feel more.

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<v Speaker 3>Your kinesthetic sense will be sharpened. We can take you

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<v Speaker 3>through and in the book we have meditations to feel

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<v Speaker 3>your body more so you strengthen your kinesthetic and your

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<v Speaker 3>propriceptive sense too. They go together. Kinesthetic is your sense

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<v Speaker 3>of weight, position and movement. Appropriateception is knowing where parts

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<v Speaker 3>of your body are. So if I close my eyes

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<v Speaker 3>and I try to touch my nose with my index fingers,

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<v Speaker 3>I can do that. It's my kinesthetic sense that moves

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<v Speaker 3>my fingers lets me know where to go, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>my pro perceptive sense that lets me know that they're

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<v Speaker 3>my fingers and where and that it's my nose, it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know. The word pro perceptive is the same root

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<v Speaker 3>as proprietary. It means that's how you know, it's yours.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's here's the real aha, the sense that is

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<v Speaker 3>responsible for your real gut feeling, for your knowing it

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<v Speaker 3>in your heart of hearts, feeling it in your blood,

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<v Speaker 3>in your bones. Which is what people always say when

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<v Speaker 3>they get a breakthrough idea with their intuition. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>interroceptive sense. It's the interroceptive sense. It's the inner literal

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<v Speaker 3>sense from your gut, from your bones, from your heart,

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<v Speaker 3>and from your blood. And when you walk well, when

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<v Speaker 3>you find that natural, sacred rhythm, you are more in

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<v Speaker 3>touch with your gut. You're more in touch with your heart,

833
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.840
<v Speaker 3>You're more in touch with your bones, You're more in

834
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 3>touch with your with your blood. So it's not that

835
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:10.519
<v Speaker 3>you have to get some inspiration from somewhere way out there. No,

836
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:17.079
<v Speaker 3>you're quieting the noise, you're quieting the interference patterns. You're

837
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 3>letting go of the unnecessary, unconscious tension, so your own

838
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:29.320
<v Speaker 3>true inner wisdom can shine forth. And that that's the

839
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 3>real source of inspiration.

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00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow. The books called walking Well a new approach for comfort,

841
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.880
<v Speaker 2>vitality and inspiration in every step. And my guess has

842
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:46.599
<v Speaker 2>been Michael gilb talk about walking meditation. This is something

843
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.800
<v Speaker 2>that I that I've never understood quite well because when

844
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:52.199
<v Speaker 2>I meditate, and I meditate it on a regular basis,

845
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I have to be quiet and still my mind. But

846
00:58:56.320 --> 00:59:00.280
<v Speaker 2>as somebody who's written about walking, do you have a

847
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:04.599
<v Speaker 2>an approach to walking meditation? Is that a mindset that

848
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:09.000
<v Speaker 2>you begin as you enter the certain state of walking.

849
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's simply setting an intention and a theme for

850
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:19.199
<v Speaker 3>a particular walk. So the simplest one could just be

851
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:25.039
<v Speaker 3>feeling the earth with every step, just for example. Another

852
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:29.960
<v Speaker 3>one could be keeping my mouth closed and enjoying the

853
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:34.039
<v Speaker 3>feeling of breath as I walk. Another one which I

854
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.199
<v Speaker 3>love is listening to the sound of the birds as

855
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:39.920
<v Speaker 3>I walk. And there's a lot of research showing that

856
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:44.440
<v Speaker 3>just birds song transforms you from a stressed state into

857
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:49.000
<v Speaker 3>a state of happiness. It's one of the simplest, most beautiful.

858
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:55.559
<v Speaker 3>Or you can walk along and just listen to all

859
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.880
<v Speaker 3>the other sounds you hear, or the colors that you see,

860
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:00.360
<v Speaker 3>or say I'm going to look at you aides of

861
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:05.400
<v Speaker 3>green today, or my theme today will be trees. And

862
01:00:05.440 --> 01:00:08.800
<v Speaker 3>by the way, you can also you can also just

863
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:13.039
<v Speaker 3>to be you know, I got to confess. Sometimes I

864
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:17.880
<v Speaker 3>just put on soul music and I go for a

865
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:24.320
<v Speaker 3>dancing walking meditation, but I still am sure that I'm

866
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:30.719
<v Speaker 3>umbracing my ankles and peeling along, and then I'm more

867
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.800
<v Speaker 3>in touch with the earth and I have more rhythm

868
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.440
<v Speaker 3>in my step, and it's just a wonderful way to

869
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.159
<v Speaker 3>be happy. So we put all these All of these

870
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:44.639
<v Speaker 3>are in the book and many more actually different themes.

871
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:47.000
<v Speaker 3>And the most profound one is the one that we

872
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:49.280
<v Speaker 3>begin the book with and we end the book with,

873
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:54.480
<v Speaker 3>and that is something we were initiated into from.

874
01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:01.360
<v Speaker 2>An original American source. H N.

875
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 3>Scott Mamma Day, the Pulitzer Prize winning author and poet

876
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:11.840
<v Speaker 3>who in one of his books shared the sacred chant

877
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.800
<v Speaker 3>of what we call the in English the Navajo people,

878
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:22.559
<v Speaker 3>but they're really the DNA people. And it's about walking

879
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.079
<v Speaker 3>in beauty. It's about making every walk a sacred walk.

880
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:29.679
<v Speaker 3>It's about feeling connected with the earth, about making your

881
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:34.800
<v Speaker 3>life more beautiful through walking. So the final meditation in

882
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:39.079
<v Speaker 3>the book, we guide you through this sacred chant.

883
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.480
<v Speaker 2>It's called the Night chant.

884
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:48.400
<v Speaker 3>And it's it's it's very powerful, and it's it's it's

885
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:49.639
<v Speaker 3>the climax of the book.

886
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:54.039
<v Speaker 2>And we so are you. Are you chanting in your

887
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:58.599
<v Speaker 2>head as you're walking, You're kind of rolling this sound

888
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:03.199
<v Speaker 2>and it becomes just part of your whole cycle of walking.

889
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:06.119
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's like a mantra. Like a mantra. It's a

890
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:10.519
<v Speaker 3>it's a Native American mantra, but it's got a lot

891
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:13.360
<v Speaker 3>of mojo. And of course you could just take a

892
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:16.519
<v Speaker 3>line from it, or two lines from it, or you

893
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.480
<v Speaker 3>could take your favorite mantra and you could coordinate it

894
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.960
<v Speaker 3>as you walk. You know, oh, nahma, shivayah, whatever works

895
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.960
<v Speaker 3>for you. Because the other great thing about this too

896
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:32.039
<v Speaker 3>is you're your own best teacher. Truly. Our job is

897
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:36.400
<v Speaker 3>to provide you with these periments that we've been doing

898
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:39.320
<v Speaker 3>for our whole career and then put it into walking

899
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:41.800
<v Speaker 3>so that you can get more out of every step

900
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:44.320
<v Speaker 3>you take and every breath as well.

901
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:49.960
<v Speaker 2>What's a good routine? In the book you say you

902
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:54.480
<v Speaker 2>suggest walking every day, But what's a what's a routine?

903
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.199
<v Speaker 2>If you can't walk every day for whatever reason.

904
01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:04.800
<v Speaker 3>That you feel is important, Well, that needs to be

905
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:09.159
<v Speaker 3>calibrated by each individual for themselves. Having said that, what

906
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:11.519
<v Speaker 3>I would recommend is if you possibly can take a

907
01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:16.199
<v Speaker 3>walk before breakfast, before breakfast, before breakfast, get outside and

908
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:23.320
<v Speaker 3>get some sun. It helps to set your circading rhythms.

909
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:28.360
<v Speaker 3>It starts your day with the serotonin boost that you

910
01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:32.079
<v Speaker 3>need to be alert and function well throughout the day.

911
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:35.199
<v Speaker 3>And it helps to regulate you for when you go

912
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:36.920
<v Speaker 3>to sleep at night, so you get a more natural

913
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.639
<v Speaker 3>melatonin production when the lights go out and there's darkness.

914
01:03:41.559 --> 01:03:45.000
<v Speaker 3>And the other great time to walk is after dinner.

915
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:48.320
<v Speaker 3>This is a tradition in many cultures around the world,

916
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:55.400
<v Speaker 3>the post prandile stroll. So it turns out that a

917
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:59.880
<v Speaker 3>gentle walk after dinner really helps to regulate your digestion,

918
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:06.239
<v Speaker 3>and so that's optimal, but that might not work with

919
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:10.079
<v Speaker 3>your schedule, So figure out what works for you. The

920
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.840
<v Speaker 3>other thing about it is don't be limited to the

921
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:16.840
<v Speaker 3>thought that I'm going on an official walk. This is

922
01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:21.239
<v Speaker 3>an official walk. Okay, I have my smart device and

923
01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:24.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm counting my steps. Part of what you'll get out

924
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:28.920
<v Speaker 3>of the book is no walking into your kitchen.

925
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Walk.

926
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:33.119
<v Speaker 3>You know, there's all this advice in these books to

927
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:36.000
<v Speaker 3>tell you to walk more like park your car further

928
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:41.519
<v Speaker 3>away from the front entrance and walk. Don't worry about

929
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Shortney walk every week. So we advocate that as well.

930
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:46.760
<v Speaker 3>But when you walk well, you're gonna want to do

931
01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:48.599
<v Speaker 3>that instead of thinking, oh my god, I don't want

932
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:50.320
<v Speaker 3>to have to walk that far, and any think oh

933
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:53.440
<v Speaker 3>I get to walk that far. Great, You'll want to

934
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:56.400
<v Speaker 3>do it so you don't have to worry about a regiment.

935
01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.679
<v Speaker 3>That's the beauty of this. When you walk well, when

936
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:03.000
<v Speaker 3>you talk naturally, when you're in the process of finding

937
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:06.920
<v Speaker 3>your own sacred rhythm, you're just gonna want to walk.

938
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.000
<v Speaker 3>You're not gonna have to make it as an exercise.

939
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.639
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have to say, let me do something else

940
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:15.400
<v Speaker 3>besides walking, because it feels so good.

941
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to stop. Wow. Yeah.

942
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

943
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:24.920
<v Speaker 2>It becomes a part of your existence. As we close,

944
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.880
<v Speaker 2>you have a chapter, it's chapter nine called walking for Transformation.

945
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I have to ask you about that. I didn't get

946
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:36.039
<v Speaker 2>a chance to really look at that chapter. But what

947
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:39.280
<v Speaker 2>is the transformation? I mean I can kind of get

948
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:41.719
<v Speaker 2>a sense of it, but there there more to the

949
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:44.239
<v Speaker 2>obvious physical benefits.

950
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's thank you for saying that, because it starts

951
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:54.880
<v Speaker 3>with the physical benefits. And my master's degree is in

952
01:05:55.039 --> 01:06:01.800
<v Speaker 3>psycho physical re education. Bruce and I come from a

953
01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:11.360
<v Speaker 3>perspective where physical and mental and emotional and spiritual aren't separate.

954
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:16.679
<v Speaker 3>It's part of what the people, the wonderful, brilliant people

955
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:25.519
<v Speaker 3>from the Hoffman work call the quadrinity spirit, mind, emotion, body,

956
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.599
<v Speaker 3>and you can work with the whole system. We can

957
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:34.599
<v Speaker 3>work intellectually and get ideas. That's why we wrote a

958
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:37.679
<v Speaker 3>book with we hope is logical and make sense and

959
01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:42.280
<v Speaker 3>is backed up by references and science. And the idea

960
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:45.039
<v Speaker 3>of the book is you read it, you say, oh, yeah,

961
01:06:45.079 --> 01:06:47.800
<v Speaker 3>that makes sense. Let me try that, and then you

962
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:53.000
<v Speaker 3>do something with your body. You do that with your body,

963
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.400
<v Speaker 3>and you're going to feel something. It's called pleasure. It's

964
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:01.960
<v Speaker 3>called joy, it's called happiness, it's called gratitude. It's called connectedness.

965
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

966
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:07.320
<v Speaker 3>When I feel that connectedness and I'm in this natural

967
01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:13.400
<v Speaker 3>rhythm with my body, I feel connected to everything. That's

968
01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:18.599
<v Speaker 3>what people call spiritual. When the separation between my seeming

969
01:07:18.840 --> 01:07:28.280
<v Speaker 3>separate self and the whole universe disappears, that's enlightenment, that's nirvana.

970
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:35.000
<v Speaker 3>So instead of seeking that directly, because I can tell

971
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:36.639
<v Speaker 3>you it doesn't work. I tried.

972
01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Seak it in directly by.

973
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 3>Just bringing presence to this moment to the next step,

974
01:07:57.519 --> 01:07:59.880
<v Speaker 3>and you may just be surprised at how could it

975
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:01.079
<v Speaker 3>really be that simple?

976
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Could it be that easy? Fantastic walking? Well? Uh, for

977
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.719
<v Speaker 2>those of you who want to get a copy, it

978
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:13.760
<v Speaker 2>just came out, I should say it came out in

979
01:08:13.880 --> 01:08:18.520
<v Speaker 2>mid September. It's available on Amazon and wherever you get

980
01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:22.720
<v Speaker 2>your books. Did you do an Amazon Did you do

981
01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.000
<v Speaker 2>an audible version where you narrated the book?

982
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:29.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes, there is an audible There is a an audible version.

983
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.520
<v Speaker 3>It is on audio because a lot of people want

984
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:32.960
<v Speaker 3>to listen to it while they're walking.

985
01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.199
<v Speaker 2>That's what I was gonna say. It's a perfect tool

986
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:37.479
<v Speaker 2>for you know, getting your exercise as well.

987
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:38.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

988
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:40.880
<v Speaker 2>And I will mention to our listeners that you can

989
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:45.840
<v Speaker 2>also go to Michael's web page. It's Michael Gelb g

990
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:51.479
<v Speaker 2>E l b dot com Michael Gelb, and I would

991
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:55.600
<v Speaker 2>imagine you have more information on that website. And do

992
01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:58.560
<v Speaker 2>you have any videos or zoom presentations that people can

993
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:00.960
<v Speaker 2>also see and get a sense of who want to

994
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:01.880
<v Speaker 2>go beyond the book?

995
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:06.239
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So there's Michael Gelb dot com which is a

996
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:08.640
<v Speaker 3>great place to start. And there's a link to everything

997
01:09:08.720 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Speaker 3>on Michael gelb dot com. Okay, we also have another

998
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:19.880
<v Speaker 3>website which we specifically created to support people who are

999
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:23.840
<v Speaker 3>reading the book, where we have actually created it's all free,

1000
01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:30.039
<v Speaker 3>free videos illustrations that go with the book, and that

1001
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:34.399
<v Speaker 3>is Walkingwell dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh excellent, okay, fantastic. Hey, well, real pleasure having you

1003
01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:42.279
<v Speaker 2>on the program, Michael. I enjoyed it. I think our

1004
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:45.560
<v Speaker 2>listeners get a sense of the importance of walking because

1005
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:49.600
<v Speaker 2>such an innate thing. We all walk, but do we

1006
01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:56.319
<v Speaker 2>walk well? Which is a perfect title. So hey, continued

1007
01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:59.640
<v Speaker 2>success and thanks for joining me. My pleasure. Thank you.

1008
01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:13.920
<v Speaker 2>It's funny. It's simple as walking is. There are ways

1009
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:18.239
<v Speaker 2>to make it even more rewarding and impactful. And I

1010
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:21.359
<v Speaker 2>was looking at the first part of this book and

1011
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:25.359
<v Speaker 2>it's about part of a chapter, it's about half a chapter,

1012
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:28.279
<v Speaker 2>three or four pages where he describes how to set

1013
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.880
<v Speaker 2>your foot down in a manner where you get the

1014
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:37.479
<v Speaker 2>full effect, you get the full healing benefit material to

1015
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:41.880
<v Speaker 2>do a good walk, to walk correctly, to walk more impactfully.

1016
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:46.039
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't think, I thought, well, what the hell

1017
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:48.680
<v Speaker 2>is he talking about? Well, I'll tell you it's important.

1018
01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I actually, you know, did a little half balock walk

1019
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:56.039
<v Speaker 2>with this technique. It makes a difference to pheil I

1020
01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:59.359
<v Speaker 2>walk on the tip of my feet. It's weird, how

1021
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I and I've always kind of walked like that since

1022
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid, and people used to tell me

1023
01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:10.119
<v Speaker 2>it's because your parents pulled you, always being pulled forward,

1024
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:13.399
<v Speaker 2>come on, come on, And I wasn't able to walk,

1025
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:17.439
<v Speaker 2>so I developed this odd gate, I guess you could

1026
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:19.720
<v Speaker 2>call it. But I've had a chance to read this

1027
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:23.760
<v Speaker 2>book portions of it at least, and there's a correct

1028
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:26.079
<v Speaker 2>way to walk, so check it out. Walking well a

1029
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.279
<v Speaker 2>new approach for comfort, vitality, and inspiration in every step.

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01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:33.920
<v Speaker 2>It's not a huge read, but it's a kind of

1031
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:41.119
<v Speaker 2>well designed and I appreciated Michael coming on the program. Hey,

1032
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I still have a spot left in our upcoming Easter

1033
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 2>Island Rephnui Tour March fifteenth through the twenty third. You know,

1034
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:51.399
<v Speaker 2>if you're a couple, if you have a girlfriend, boyfriend,

1035
01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:54.159
<v Speaker 2>if you're in a relationship, or you just want to

1036
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:57.359
<v Speaker 2>bring a friend along, come out and join us. We

1037
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.399
<v Speaker 2>are pretty much full. We had one person that dropped

1038
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:04.039
<v Speaker 2>out because there are schedule. They had a conflict, but

1039
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:07.640
<v Speaker 2>we're packed. We're only taking nineteen people. It would be

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one with a partner, and it's with Ed Barnhard.

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<v Speaker 2>He has surveyed the island a few years ago, just

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<v Speaker 2>before COVID, and he knows a lot of spots that

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<v Speaker 2>are not widely known by the locals or by other

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<v Speaker 2>tour groups. And that's because he's done a survey of

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<v Speaker 2>the island and use some high tech to unveil some

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<v Speaker 2>unique areas of that special place. So come out and

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<v Speaker 2>join us. For more information, go to Earthacients dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>Forward slash tours. Make it a Christmas present, Make it

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<v Speaker 2>a gift to yourself to join a small group of

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<v Speaker 2>people in an intrimate look at a fascinating place with

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<v Speaker 2>those massive moi. Those moi are multi ton sculptures. We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know really who carved them. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other really odd aspects of that island that Ed will

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<v Speaker 2>present to us. Come out and join us March fifteenth

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<v Speaker 2>to the twenty third, twenty twenty five and make it

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<v Speaker 2>a gift to yourself, or just join us for the excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>Earthagents dot com Forward slash Tours all right, that's it

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<v Speaker 2>for this program. And I think my guest today Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Gail presenting his new book Walking Well as Always, a

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<v Speaker 2>team of Gail Tour in Hollywood, Mark Foster in London,

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock

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<v Speaker 2>all right, take care of be well and we will

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I don't want to waste my time. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to waste my mind. I want to get off

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<v Speaker 1>this right. I want to make it burn.

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<v Speaker 3>Give me jeez, I a mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I ready to go go alone, go any oder the mouth.

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<v Speaker 3>You let me alone alone, ohlone.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hate you, don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Aware your task gorpen my heart. I'm good, I said

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<v Speaker 3>to hell, and you might be another we had d