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<v Speaker 3>It's been a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Gordon Monson back on the drive on a Thursday. Gordon,

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Thursday, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing fine? Thanks, Vince Taylor. Road Home is always

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<v Speaker 4>close close to the heart, you know. I mean, anybody

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<v Speaker 4>who goes out there and sees the work that's gone,

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<v Speaker 4>I think would be happy to open the.

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<v Speaker 2>Wallet, no doubt, And I always have these memories because

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, they don't do this anymore. But

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, they used to have like a

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<v Speaker 2>competition among the stations as far as who could get

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<v Speaker 2>the most donations, and I think they saw that that

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<v Speaker 2>was probably a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit cringey to do, so we don't do it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>But back in the day, we used to be neck

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<v Speaker 2>and neck with some of the bigger stations, and because

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<v Speaker 2>your buddy Spence Echels would roll in last minute and

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<v Speaker 2>write a big check and give us credit, we always

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<v Speaker 2>shot to the top.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the list.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was kind of remember those days back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, Gorda.

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<v Speaker 4>I do remember those days. It was kind of like

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<v Speaker 4>it was a friendly competition, and we knew we knew

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<v Speaker 4>Spence was coming in with the big hammer, and so

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<v Speaker 4>that always gave us a big boose. So we were

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<v Speaker 4>grateful to him, and he used to bring like his

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<v Speaker 4>entire family down and I have great respect for him.

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<v Speaker 3>For that, no doubt, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Gordon, I want to start with you where

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<v Speaker 2>I started the show today, because I think you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>good with this and the you know, the sports talk

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<v Speaker 2>radio or the sports calumnist topic of culture building is

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<v Speaker 2>not new and sometimes probably hit over the head a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit too much. But there's an article today in

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<v Speaker 2>The Athletic about my hapless, hopeless, pathetic New York Football Jets.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you think it's bad, it's even worse when

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<v Speaker 2>the owner is enlisting the advice of his sons based

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<v Speaker 2>off their Madden video game experience to make personnel decision.

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<v Speaker 2>They have not been to the playoffs in thirteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>They married themselves to an idiot who wants to go

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<v Speaker 2>on Netflix and just smash mushrooms instead of actually be

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<v Speaker 2>a serious person.

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<v Speaker 3>It is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I was thinking about this today from a

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<v Speaker 2>local standpoint, Gordon, about the culture that the Miller's built in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty five ish years owning and operating the

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<v Speaker 2>Utah Jazz, and even though it never led to an

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<v Speaker 2>NBA championship, it was one of the healthiest and most

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<v Speaker 2>enviable cultures in all of pro basketball. When Greg Popovich

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<v Speaker 2>took the job with San Antonio, he said, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to build it the way Jerry built, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Utah Jazz. And look, I'm not saying what Ryan has

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<v Speaker 2>done so far is either good or bad. We don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is different. Over the course of three and

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<v Speaker 2>a half years, Larry, you knew him well, was front.

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<v Speaker 3>Facing, authentic and honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan seems to prefer to do a lot of his

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<v Speaker 2>business behind the scenes and in more of a clandestine way.

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<v Speaker 3>That leads to a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we'll get an occasional puff piece from his

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<v Speaker 2>PR team that they give to ESPN. But we don't

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<v Speaker 2>really know this group the way that we all knew

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<v Speaker 2>the Millers. And again, I want to be clear, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not good or bad, it's just different. But from your seat,

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<v Speaker 2>the way the Millers built this thing up over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of twenty five years juxtaposed to the way that

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan approaches it and his group over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>about three and a half.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, when it comes to culture and you bring up

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<v Speaker 4>the Jets, I mean, it's not who you say you are,

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<v Speaker 4>it's who you are, right, That's what builds the culture, right.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had great respect for Larry and for his

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's funny because if you used to talk

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<v Speaker 4>to him all the time, you know, and he would

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<v Speaker 4>say things that you would think, Okay, that's unusual for

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<v Speaker 4>an owner to say, But you knew where it was

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<v Speaker 4>coming from. It was coming from deep inside that vast

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<v Speaker 4>brain of his, and he was honest in what he said.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think there is a great blessing to that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of transparency. Even though every once in a while

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<v Speaker 4>you might hear something you don't like Ryan, I still

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<v Speaker 4>haven't figured out to say the truth. When he first

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<v Speaker 4>came in, I I sat down with him and we

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<v Speaker 4>talked for maybe an hour and a half or so,

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<v Speaker 4>and I did a big kind of Lifetime feature on him.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I do that, I usually feel like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I have a pretty good idea who this guy is.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm still not sure about Ryan Smith. I'm not quite

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<v Speaker 4>sure who he is. And maybe those who are closest

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<v Speaker 4>to him know that. But based on what we've seen,

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<v Speaker 4>certainly out of the culture that's being built with the jazz,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a big old question mark right now. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we've seen what's happened with that team. You and I

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<v Speaker 4>have watched it closely, and we have asked questions, and

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<v Speaker 4>we're still asking questions. You know, if they were going

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<v Speaker 4>to tank, why didn't they tank? I'm a go it's

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<v Speaker 4>really your options are limited in the NBA, as you know, Spence,

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to rebuilding, you don't have a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of choice unless you get extremely lucky. And the Jazz

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<v Speaker 4>have sent mixed messages that way. And so if that's

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<v Speaker 4>what you mean, but building a culture, I think what

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<v Speaker 4>Ryan has built is very much in question right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And also I want to follow up because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be very fair here and you bring up

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<v Speaker 2>a really good point, because we're gonna discuss this rather

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<v Speaker 2>the course of the show. There is a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a different approach with the modern day and age

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<v Speaker 2>of roster construction. What Danny and Justin are tasked with

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<v Speaker 2>is a little bit different than what Scotty Layden was

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<v Speaker 2>tasked with, or Kevin O'Connor or Dennis lindsay. But you

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<v Speaker 2>bring up the luck portion, and not even frank Leyden himself,

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<v Speaker 2>God Bless the legend, would tell you that he knew

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<v Speaker 2>John was gonna be John and Carl was gonna be Carl.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin O'Connor, I doubt knew that, you know, Darren was

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<v Speaker 3>Because he was like a top three guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But Dennis Lindsay has said to me and you as

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<v Speaker 2>well before, no idea Donovan was gonna be Donovan and

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<v Speaker 2>Rudy was gonna be Rudy. You know, the O'Connor stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is different because he drafts Darren early. He hits on that,

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<v Speaker 2>he signs Booze and o'curran. So that's a great group,

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<v Speaker 2>and Kevin did a hell of a job. But you

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<v Speaker 2>referenced luck portion and as of right now, what we

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<v Speaker 2>have as far as the three year sample size of

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<v Speaker 2>talent that has been acquired via draft, I think Walker

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<v Speaker 2>Kesseler is probably the best news. But if you go

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<v Speaker 2>down the list, Taylor Hendrix is hurt, Keyante George looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he's miscast. Bryce Senseiba not unclear if he's even

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<v Speaker 2>a rotational piece. Kyle Philipowski a couple of things here there.

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<v Speaker 2>Isaiah call you're nothing really. Cody Williams is in the

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<v Speaker 2>G League, and all we have as far as the

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<v Speaker 2>data so far is that the team has not won

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<v Speaker 2>anything even close to a high level type situation.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not close to the postseason.

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<v Speaker 2>And Gordon, there's an argument to be made that there's

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<v Speaker 2>like one young player on the team that provides consistent

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<v Speaker 2>hope to the point that you think he's a rotational player.

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<v Speaker 2>So the luck or whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 2>that potentially franken Scott had with John Carl or Dennis

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<v Speaker 2>had with Rudy and Donovan has not manifested itself so far.

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<v Speaker 2>But is it only luck or is it a failure

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<v Speaker 2>to do your job as a talent evaluator.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's a little bit of both. And as

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<v Speaker 4>was the case when I did the show with you

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<v Speaker 4>for all those years, I can't say it any better

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<v Speaker 4>than you just did. I think you put a rap

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<v Speaker 4>on it perfectly, and I think that is an issue.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny you bring up Frank, and I remember Frank saying, Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>if we knew, if we knew these guys doctor Malone

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<v Speaker 4>was going to be as good as they ended up being,

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<v Speaker 4>we would have moved up to draft them. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>they did not know, but they did get lucky. And

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<v Speaker 4>when I talked to Phil Johnson about this, I'll never

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<v Speaker 4>forget what he said. He said he hit the luckword hard,

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<v Speaker 4>and I do believe there is a part of that.

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<v Speaker 4>But in a market like ours here, and this may

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<v Speaker 4>or may not be fair, it isn't fair. Let's come

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<v Speaker 4>right out and say it. You got to be smarter

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<v Speaker 4>than the rest of the guys. You've got to be

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<v Speaker 4>smarter in order because you can't make up for your

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<v Speaker 4>mistakes by being a destination team. And so these guys

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<v Speaker 4>have to get their picks right. There are there is

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<v Speaker 4>talent available later in the draft, as mister uh uh

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<v Speaker 4>As the joker himself in Denver has proved that there

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<v Speaker 4>are there is talent out there, it's just hard to get.

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<v Speaker 4>And the Jazz have to be smarter. They have to

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<v Speaker 4>be smarter than they've been, both from a philosophical standpoint

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<v Speaker 4>and from a selection standpoint. Everybody praised them when they

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<v Speaker 4>got all the draft picks for Rudy and all this stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>and okay, but what are the draft picks turning into Spence?

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<v Speaker 4>Not so great so far as you pointed out. So

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I know there are those on the inside

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<v Speaker 4>who say that what the Jazz were with the elevated

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<v Speaker 4>Rudy it wasn't gonna work moving forward. Well, it would

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<v Speaker 4>have been a whole lot better, a whole hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a life here for people that are listening that

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<v Speaker 2>may be workover at the old spot.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the Utah Jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>In this job, you have to be agnostic, and Gordon,

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<v Speaker 2>you taught me as much as anybody did about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I care about the Utah Jazz.

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<v Speaker 2>I want nothing more than in five years from now

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<v Speaker 2>to and again, I want to be clear about today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it's good or bad, It's just different.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to be proven wrong, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>if the starting front court Gordon in three years is Lowry,

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<v Speaker 2>Markin and Cooper Flag and aj Debantza all eat some crow, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>happily so right, absolutely absolutely all right Away from that

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment, over to some college football. Since since

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<v Speaker 2>you and I last spoke, Isaac Wilson, who hit the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal to potentially look at playing at other places,

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<v Speaker 2>ends up back where he started. And I gotta say, Gordon,

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<v Speaker 2>I give him a lot of credit for wanting to compete.

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<v Speaker 2>remember that he hurt his knee, and so will he

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And it does feel like Devin Dampier is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the starting quarterback no matter what. But what are

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<v Speaker 4>Well, let me start a little broader than that, and

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<v Speaker 4>at the end of the season. He said, essentially, Hey man,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to go out and we're going to sign

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<v Speaker 4>of guys. What did he say? I think he said

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<v Speaker 4>they were looking at you get forty some guys and

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<v Speaker 4>half of those would come through the transfer. What are

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<v Speaker 4>they at now about ten? You know? And so they

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<v Speaker 4>do that. You compare that with like BYU, what is

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<v Speaker 4>BYU gotten so far in the transfer one? I think

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<v Speaker 4>they've gotten one new guy, you know, and it came

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<v Speaker 4>from Utah Ryan to tight End yep. So, so the

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<v Speaker 4>youths are going about their business exactly the way. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, forget everybody they wanted to, but they're doing

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<v Speaker 4>what Kyle said they would do. As far as Isaac

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<v Speaker 4>Wilson goes, you know, Isaac is a really interesting case.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure you know. Zach Wilson was crazy for football,

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<v Speaker 4>and I hope I'm not misstating that. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 4>that Isaac Wilson is crazy for football so his brother was.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just the way it seems to being one of

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<v Speaker 4>the whispers I've heard around him. Does he have talent, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he has talent, has a live arm, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>like guys who are willing to compete for their job.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone's making a big deal over this damn pier guy,

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<v Speaker 4>and Kyle has always talked about the usefulness of a

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<v Speaker 4>dual threat quarterback. But can Isaac Wilson be that? I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. I don't know. I don't think he's as

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<v Speaker 4>his care factor crazy for football? I'm not sure of that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not convinced of that either. But what we saw

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<v Speaker 4>this last season isn't really fair to him. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>right near the beginning of a season and expect him

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<v Speaker 4>to be completely polished. So you wait to see I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't be surprised if we see a whole lot more

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<v Speaker 4>of Isaac Wilson at Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, according to their dad, I have in front of

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<v Speaker 2>me ten ten additions to the transfer portal from the

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<v Speaker 2>youth so far. Cameron Calhoun announced that he's had to

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<v Speaker 2>di Alabama, which is a big time gut punch, and

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<v Speaker 2>there are a bunch of other players still in the

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<v Speaker 2>transfer portal that have not landed in a spot. You

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<v Speaker 2>reference Carson Ryan, who's headed to bring him young and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll get to the BYU side of this in

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<v Speaker 2>just a moment. But Gordon, I haven't talked to you

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<v Speaker 2>about the dynamic. I mean, it's a statement and a

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<v Speaker 2>testament to the power of the game of college football,

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<v Speaker 2>in the product of college football that a business that

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<v Speaker 2>is that is run by a confederacy of dunces continues

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<v Speaker 2>to bring in the consumer numbers.

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<v Speaker 3>That it does.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that the transfer portal is open when

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<v Speaker 2>coaches are trying to win national championships. Can you imagine

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<v Speaker 2>if the NFL playoffs are about to start. Lamar Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, I'm out, just so you know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's so it's beyond stupid, and it's it's even dumber

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<v Speaker 2>that the idiots in the room haven't done anything about this.

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<v Speaker 3>And every time I hit like I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Horrible for these coaches that are in the twelve team

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<v Speaker 2>CFP or even in the Alamo Bowl like Brigham Young

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<v Speaker 2>that have to run a practice and then finish practice

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<v Speaker 2>and go to damage control to make sure their players

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<v Speaker 2>are going to actually play for them. Like, what's your

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<v Speaker 2>thought on this dynamic of essentially having free agency during

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's chaotic. They need to do something about that.

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<v Speaker 4>And at least the teams that are in the College

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<v Speaker 4>Football Playoff have something to play for, you know. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean when Deion Sanders said that his stars were going

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<v Speaker 4>to play against BYU and the Alamo Bowl, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people were shocked by that. He's to

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<v Speaker 4>be said, We'll see if it actually happens that way.

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<v Speaker 4>But with these bowl games, be I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>call a meaningless, but it seems like that's what they've

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<v Speaker 4>turned into. Unless you're in the playoff. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a player, I may be looking at for my

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<v Speaker 4>best interests in front of of the Team's interesting you're

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<v Speaker 4>playing and you know, the tidy Bowl down in some

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<v Speaker 4>small town in the South somewhere. But I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, look, you could find some way to organize this,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's a whole lot of organizing that needs to

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<v Speaker 4>take place in college football and college basketball for that

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<v Speaker 4>matter these days, and maybe revenue sharing will help that,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's not going to solve it. There's going and

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<v Speaker 4>with all the things that are out there that are

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<v Speaker 4>about to be added to the college game, with more

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<v Speaker 4>money pouring in and pouring in, it's like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like the fools are getting richer and richer because

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<v Speaker 4>there's more and more money being invested all right over.

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<v Speaker 2>To the BYU side of things. According to the data

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<v Speaker 2>have in front of me. Maybe I should just ask Crittle.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is Chase Roberts coming back? Okay, okay, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>a BYU host next to me. I should just tap

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<v Speaker 2>into his knowledge. Eleven BYU players in the PORTALASA now.

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<v Speaker 2>The one player they picked up was Carson Ryan. But

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<v Speaker 2>Chase Roberts did some meat after practice and it said

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to announce his intention via social.

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<v Speaker 3>Media this week. You know, we have this really.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun matchup with Chase against Travis Hunter coming up in

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<v Speaker 2>the Alamo Bowl that we all kind of want to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>And Chase I love what he said this week. He

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<v Speaker 2>said I'm gonna find him and follow him. So he

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<v Speaker 2>has to cover me. So that's kind of the white

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<v Speaker 2>whale out there right now. BYU again one edition. Eleven

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<v Speaker 2>players have left and we're waiting on Chase Roberts. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Klonie, well, how do you think he's traversing

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<v Speaker 3>But it's an awesome Bowl game.

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna get like six mil I think is a

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<v Speaker 2>payout and Kilanie's got to deal with the same stuff

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, a lot of people are wondering where are all

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<v Speaker 4>the transfers for BYUYU had a pretty good year. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if the need is as great for them

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<v Speaker 4>as it is for some other teams to make a

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<v Speaker 4>whole lot of moves. But Chase Roberts is a guy

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<v Speaker 4>you've got to hold on to. If this guy sticks around,

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<v Speaker 4>he's going to be in a very strong receiving core.

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<v Speaker 4>He's going to be the star.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, the star.

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<v Speaker 4>They will utilize him in a way that they utilized

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<v Speaker 4>him a lot this last year, nothing compared to what

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<v Speaker 4>he'll be next season if he stays at BYU. And

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<v Speaker 4>if I'm Jake Ritz laugh, I'm talking to him, avag

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<v Speaker 4>I'll give you the ball every other down. Come on

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<v Speaker 4>back because I need you to come back. And I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of agree with Ben. I think he will come back.

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<v Speaker 4>But we've all been shocked before. But he's a clutch receiver,

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<v Speaker 4>he's got great size. He's a guy that I think

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<v Speaker 3>So it was announced.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I talked to you about this, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course it's BYU, so we don't know all the details.

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<v Speaker 2>Kilanie given his extension, and you know I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about this, and because you know him well, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get your thoughts on it. The one job I

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<v Speaker 2>think Kilanie might leave BYU four is USC and Lincoln

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<v Speaker 2>Riley's buyout is like seventy million.

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<v Speaker 3>Dollars or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is just insane. That's nature of college football coaching.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, Colonie just got extended. But do you think

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<v Speaker 2>if that job came open and the powers to be

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<v Speaker 2>at Southern cal decided to call down to provo, Colonnie

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<v Speaker 2>answers the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he answers the phone. I'll say it this way,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm not going to quote Klaney in any way here,

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<v Speaker 4>but I do know him well and I think he's

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<v Speaker 4>been somewhat pissed off about the amount that he's gotten

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<v Speaker 4>in the past. I did not know the details of

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<v Speaker 4>this particular extension. My guess would be that it was

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<v Speaker 4>enhanced substantially. But I'll go back and quote what gorbe

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<v Speaker 4>Chow said many years ago when I was talking to him,

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<v Speaker 4>and of course he was the offensive coordinator down at Troy.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, quote, USC gets what USC wants, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>so I think Klane would pick up the phone and

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<v Speaker 4>see what that is all about. Although I see right now,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that's not the US, see that I remember it.

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<v Speaker 4>They seem to be in some more a pile of

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<v Speaker 4>turmoil right now. They have players who are abandoned that program,

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<v Speaker 4>and so if I'm the powers that be a USC,

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<v Speaker 4>I would be very interested in a guy like Kolani Sataki.

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<v Speaker 4>They need to do something because what they're doing right

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<v Speaker 4>now is very much hanging in the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Gordo, I got to say, I got your family Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>card in the mail last night, so thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody looks like they're thriving and doing well. So I'll

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<v Speaker 2>set you loose, but happy holidays to you and List

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<v Speaker 2>and the girls, and you know, only love from this direction.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys hope you know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they do know that there's nothing but that admiration

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<v Speaker 4>in our family for you. And I'll say that on

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<v Speaker 4>a professional level and on a personal level, nothing but

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<v Speaker 4>love in this direction too, Spence, thanks for having

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<v Speaker 3>Me on Okay Gordo, Happy holidays.