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Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A Here at Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs.

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It's The Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy, Hervella, me Rick Weist,

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and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Today we talk

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about architectural garden follies. They're decorative, non essential structures often

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found in gardens or landscapes. They're originals, not mass produced,

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but it's garden ornamentation. At least you could argue that

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because it's there for esthetic purposes. A folly is an

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ornamental structure, sometimes strange, whimsical, built for a purpose pleasure,

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sometimes ruins, sometimes made up ruins a variety of architectural structures,

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and in England, follies and ruins are most often located

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in landscapes, gardens, on private estates. Garden follies began popping

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up on the sprawling grounds of estates throughout England and

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France in the eighteenth century, and the building's often served

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little purpose other than showcasing a land owner's wealth. It

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can also be a gathering hub in a landscape. You

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can use an actual ruin or make one up, and

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we'll talk about it today. In segment four. Stacy when

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we talked to Lisa Roper Chanta Clear Gardens.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm very excited about that. We have a

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guest for the end of the show here who is

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going to talk about contemporary follies, which is not something

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that necessarily happens a lot, at least that we know of.

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I'm sure there's some very wealthy people out there hopefully

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building private gardens and spending lots and lots of money

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on follies. I really hope that's happening as it did

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in eighteenth century England. But the cool thing is there's

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a lot of follies contemporary like at Chanticleaer Gardens and

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vintage antique that you can see across the world, but

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especially in Europe. England is kind of the epicenter of

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the garden folly. And you know, thinking back to my

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garden history classes, the archetype of all folly landscapes is

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a garden called Stowe Stowe, so you might want to

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look that up to start your folly journey. And you know,

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in addition to showcasing the owner's wealth, very often the

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follies were metaphorical. They were intended to kind of create

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a tableau recalling a certain time or a certain type

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of landscape. So the pastoral landscapes of Pousin and Claude

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Lorraine were sort of recreated in reality in these gardens.

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And another thing that's really important about them from a

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gardening perspective is that they were almost always sighted in

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a magnificent way, so that you would look at them

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across the lake. You know, there were definitely some that

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were intended to be discovered as you strolled through the garden,

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but very often, you know, it was some sort of

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Greek temple that wasn't really a temple. And this is

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the important thing. Yes, you could go into it and

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you could experience it, but it was not really a

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temple that was intended for worship. It was a temple

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that was intended to call to mind the you know,

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classical period.

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Speaker 1: But in England a variety of architectural structures you're so right, Stacey,

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fake cottages, temples, abbys, some may be falling into disarray,

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bridges to nowhere, fences that maybe are a backdrop drop

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but don't serve a purpose. But usually some sort of

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structure or building. For myself, I fell in love with

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landscape or garden follies years ago when visiting Monticello and

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Virginia and Thomas Jefferson's garden. So Thomas Jefferson served two

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terms as president. I think it's eighteen oh one to

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eighteen o nine. As he's in his second term, he's thinking,

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I want this pagoda or structure in my garden where

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I can just sit and reflect. And of course the

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one you see there in the garden today was rebuilt.

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But of course Jefferson took extensive notes. He was no

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stranger to Europe for sure, and so something like this

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was very appealing to him. And in the vegetable garden,

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for example, on the mountaintop, thirteen feet by six inch

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square structure with arched entry points on all four sides,

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and you can just picture Thomas Jefferson sitting there in

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his pavilion, and I just fell in love with them

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at that point. But of course they can be Classical Greek, Roman,

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Gothic pagodas, rustic cottages. All of these things are in play.

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And now you know, maybe they were hunting towers or

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lookout posts, but today the beauty of following is, you

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know they're utilized as tourist destinations, wedding venues, even filming location.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're so iconic, you know. I think if you

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do look up the pictures of Stowe. Stourhead is another

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one that's very similar, you would probably recognize these pictures

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is ones that you've seen in the past. But the

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point is, you know, nowadays, if we do need a

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little shade in our garden or want to create something,

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we tend to, you know, go to the box store

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and pick up something that's all over the place. And

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are custom builds that align with the owner's vision and

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they are needlessly ornate and needlessly imaginative, which is what

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makes them so wonderful because they don't have to necessarily

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be there. They don't have to be that way. They

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could have a utilitarian structure, but they chose to go,

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you know, full bore and do something that is truly remarkable.

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Speaker 1: I love a great pergola, and if you think about it,

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you know, pergolas have a long history ancient Egyptians, the

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Roman Empire, they grew grape vines on them, they provided

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some shade. But today a pergola in a landscape isn't

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necessarily there for the function, but rather the looks. And

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I'm working on building one in my landscape where I

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will use all old lumber from a lumber mill and

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rusty iron angles to hold it together. And I'm really

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looking forward to it, and for our gardening friends, I

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personally believe the best plant for a pergola. You know,

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you'll see pergolas that are overpowered by wisteria or trumpet

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vine or, in the case years ago, grape vines. I

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think clematis is the perfect plant for pergola.

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends on your hype, because some clementists don't

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go that high. Yes, but yeah, if you get a

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nice vigorous one that can clamber all over that. Now

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it's funny that you mentioned this, because I also considering

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a pergola. I have to confess it was not going

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to be a folly. We are probably going to buy

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a kit from a box store, but we are going

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to cover it with grapes to put over a dining terrace,

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because that's classic, right, So you know, unless we get

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a whole lot of I guess motivation or inspiration, we're

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going to do it pretty standard. But I like your

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idea of using all of this cookie, old materials. It's

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going to give it a lot of sense of place.

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a sense of place that they are exclusively associated the

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sighting that iconic scene, so closely associated with that specific garden.

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Speaker 1: A gathering hub where you want to hang out. Now, Stacey,

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you know I've got a thing for five gallon pills,

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but I also have a thing for bricks. I love

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to collect bricks. My dad loved to do that too,

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collecting stones for the garden and landscape. So you could

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say I'm a chip off the old patio stone. I've

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got a couple sample bricks here for our YouTube viewers.

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One is Metropolitan Block, Canton, Ohio. The other one is

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a Nelsonville brick. Now, these are historic bricks. They were

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used for paving the streets years ago, and of course

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we don't use them in most places anymore and they

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were discarded, but a lot of people like to reclaim

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these utilize them within their landscape. They're super heavy, they're

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nine pounds each.

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Speaker 2: Nine pounds each, and he hauled them all the way

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to studio A just for our YouTube audience to see.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't easy, but you know. They even have a

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festival in Ohio and Nelsonville. We'll put the link at

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our website. They use a salt glaze process. It was

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taken from the pottery industry to make these bricks. And

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many of these companies were in existence in the eighteen hundreds,

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after the Civil War, all the way up to the

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Gray Depression, when some of them went out of business.

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They developed star bricks that they used for sidewalks. As

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a matter of fact, the Nelsonville Brick Company had Star

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bricks for sidewalks that won first prize at the nineteen

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oh four World's Fair in Saint Louis. Think about the

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Indianapolis five hundred, the brickyard, the finish line. I understand

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they have a stash of these bricks. No one can

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see them, but of course from time to time they

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have to replace a brick along the finish line.

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Speaker 2: Did not know that.

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Speaker 1: So recycling bricks and using them in your landscape, I

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love to do that also for that reason, Stacey, Today,

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instead of a limb or rick, I'm going to give

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you a limb a brick to celebrate these wonderful bricks

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that can be used in Folly's hardescaping with stones and sticks.

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They're all in my bag of tricks. Don't need water,

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won't freeze. I create with the greatest of ease. I

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use bricks simply for kicks. And now you know something

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else about me. I like bricks. We'll see how Stacey

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ties this in and plants on trial. That's coming up

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back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where instead of talking

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strictly about plants today we are talking about garden follies

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and architectural phenomenon of primary eighteenth century England, where very

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wealthy people were designing these beautiful landscape gardens and gardens.

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You know, they did have like conventional flower gardens, but

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we're talking about like the big engineered rolling landscape with

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a man made lake and you know, the amazing sort

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of Greek or Roman temple back there. The oldest follies

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actually date back to the fifteen hundreds. There is a

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very well known garden that you might want to look

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up called Bomarzo or the Sacrobosco in Italy. It's also

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known as the Monster Park because yes, and when you

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see a picture of this you it'll make perfect sense

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to you. They just made these crazy different monsters and

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fantastical sculptures and caves with big monster mouths, and so

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that's kind of one of the earliest examples. And then

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famous one. Is I think perhaps one of the most

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ridiculous ones in my research for the show is the

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Dunmore Pineapple in Scotland, which is a summerhouse with a

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massive pineapple, a massive and when I say a massive

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stone pineapple, I mean I think this thing is probably

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twenty feet tall.

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Speaker 1: I saw that. It's incredible. I'm not in person.

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like I mentioned, stow Stowe, Stour Head, Strawberry Hill, there's

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to get inspired and like we said in segment four,

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we're going to be talking to Lisa Roper from Chanticleer

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on contemporary follies and in public gardens. And most of

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the ones that we I think all the ones that

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we listed are actually public gardens. So that's the great

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almost certainly visit some of these gardens and see them

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for yourself. But let's say you have some sort of

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folly in your yard. And you know, even though we're

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using these examples of these massive scale, very expensive you know,

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and prohibitive, if not from budget but from a space perspective,

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because most of us don't have that much room in

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our gardens to build that kind of thing. It's like

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you said with your pergola, there are different ways that

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we can kind of incorporate this concept of folly, of

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something that is needlessly ornamental, that is just you know,

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it's not strictly utilitarian. It may have a utilitarian purpose

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as well, but it's not strictly utilitarian. There's ways you

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can do that in your yard.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where I hope to put the pergola Stacey is

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in an area where there was an old shed. There

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was a concrete perfect the shed fell apart, going to

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put a pergola in its place, I already have the

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Speaker 2: I mean, that works out perfect. So it's just kind

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of a choice that you make in how you use

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your property. But whether you actually are considering a folly,

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maybe even have a folly, or just kind of want

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a plant that's going to give you folly vibes in

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your landscape. That is today's plant on trial, and it

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is glow stick Japanese.

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Speaker 1: Holly because it rhymes with folly.

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you can also and we'll certainly see this when we

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talk to Lisa about Chanticleer Ruin that there's a mix

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of kind of soft, almost weedy looking plants as well

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as architectural plants. They both help help to play a

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role in kind of setting the folly within the landscape.

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So glow stick Japanese holly is basically what the name says.

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This is a yellow leafed Japanese holly that naturally grows

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with a stick like columnar habit, so it gets to

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be four to six feet tall, but just one one

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foot wide.

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Speaker 1: That's so cool.

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Speaker 2: It is so cool. And the nice thing about this

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plant is that it's golden foliage does not burn in

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the sun. So lots of older, more conventional golden leaf

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hollies they start it starts getting really sunny out there,

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especially if you are in a warmer climate, and that

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yellow foliage either burns, turns brown, or it bleaches out.

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really crucial quality for us here at preven Winter's color

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choice shrubs to find golden foliage that doesn't fade or

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burn or bleach out in the sun. So this doesn't

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it has it in our extensive trials here in Michigan,

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nor did it in our trial gardens in North Carolina

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where it was developed by the one and only ultra

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talented doctor Tom Rainey.

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Speaker 1: Now that would explain why it's such a.

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Speaker 2: Cool exactly, and that helps it to be really easy

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to grow and really easy to use in the landscape.

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It is also an ever green, so it's a broad

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leaf evergreen, and that's another I think really important quality

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of planting around a folly or again the folly vibes,

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is to have this year round beauty. Of course, you're

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going to want to have the deciduous plants too to

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kind of again create that seasonal effect, but having these

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structural architectural plants like glowstick Japanese holly is really really important.

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Now it is hardy down to USDA Zone five, but

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if you are going to grow glowstick or any Japanese

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holly down in USDA Zone five, even USDA Zone six,

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this is definitely one of those plants that you're going

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to want to make sure you have mulched, good two

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to three inch layer of shredded bark mulch over those

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roots to help protect them and can serve moisture all

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year round, but especially in winter, and if you are

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in those colder areas, you might consider citing them in

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a way that's just a little bit protected from the

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worst of the winter winds now. If you are in

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USDA Zone seven or eight, which which is the heat

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tolerance range of glow stick Japanese holly. No problem, you

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don't have to worry about it. You can just enjoy

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this plant all year round. It's going to do great

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for you. Now, I did kind of want to talk

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about using this plant in the landscape because that fastigit

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or columnar habit that it has makes it super versatile

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in the landscape. And you can imagine a space saving hedge,

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which is how we very often talk about using fastigit

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plants in the landscape, and it.

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Speaker 1: Gives you design options. I see where you're going.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so nice space saving hedge if you want to

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do that. You can also pair them at an entryway

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for that great formal look. As always I like to

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mention as someone who has had to do a professional

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Christmas lighting before, makes a nice structure for you to

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put your holiday lights on if you are so inclined.

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But in the spirit of the Folly conversation, I also

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wanted to throw this idea out there, and again this

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is something that we're going to learn probably from Lisa

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when we talk about Chanticleer, because this is something that

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I saw used to great effect there. So instead of

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just buying all three gallon plants or all one gallon

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plants or whatever, a great way that you can use

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this plant is to buy multiple sizes and mix them

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within your planting. So say you buy, you know, it's

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a great idea one three gallon, you know, maybe one

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two gallon and five one gallons, and then you're kind

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of mixing them within this space. And what that does

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is it kind of calls to mind a natural colony

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of this plant, as though it had spread by seed,

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and all the plants are different ages, and that really

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kind of helps to settle something in and provide that

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lived in, been there a long time kind of look.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I like that approach. And the older I get, Stacey,

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the more and more I appreciate the structure of certain

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plants and then to be able to do that in

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a design that would stand out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's I think it's a thing that

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people don't very often think of. This also works beautifully

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with boxwood or other shapes of Japanese holly, and it's

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just something to consider, you know. I know it's an

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idea that people often struggle with, is okay? I like

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this plant, I want to plant it, but you know,

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they kind of just get at home and boo, put

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it in a straight line. And this is a way

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to kind of again mix things up and create more

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depth and more interest in a really really simple way.

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Also saves money because you're not having to spend all

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of your money on those bigger, more expensive plants, you're

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mixing in some of those smaller ones. Another way you

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can do this is also just to add to it gradually,

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so you know, plant a couple of them, let them

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grow a couple of years, and then come back and

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add those, you know, to one or two gallons, and

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you know, just use time to your advantage as well,

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kind of group them in groups of three, because that

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obviously looks more natural. But that's a really fun way

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again to get that kind of kind of more again

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settled in look in the landscape that people don't necessarily

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always consider so space saving plant. It is moderately dear resistant,

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Speaker 1: Have you I would agree with that, And of course

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hollies that I've grown kind of adapt as far as

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the prickly nature of the leaves are concerned. I don't

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know if that's a fig leaf of my imagination.

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Speaker 3: Or what well.

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Speaker 2: The Japanese holly does not have prickly leaves, so if

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prickly leaves have been keeping you from growing a holly,

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don't worry. It has a very small, spoon shaped generally

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spoon shaped foliage, tiny textural plant, so you don't have

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to worry about any thorns whatsoever. And it is a

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female Japanese holly, so if you have a male Japanese

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holly nearby, like compacta, it will get blackberries and you

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can imagine how amazing this plant is going to look

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with that golden foliage and some blackberries nestled up in there.

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So a very cool plant, whether you have a fall

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or just looking for something interesting and year round interest.

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Glow Stick Japanese Hollie is available now and will be

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also available next spring if you are looking for something inspiring,

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so you can check it out at our YouTube or

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help you with your garden questions, quandaries and conundrums. And

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use our contact form to send us a question. We

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don't get to all of the questions, of course, because

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a some questions are just a little too complicated to

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answer on air, and you know, we don't like to

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just sit here and give you a list of plants

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that you can't even imagine, because that's kind of boring.

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So we answer questions that we try to find are

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of general interest to most people, so if we can't

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answer your question, we do still want to help you,

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so just reach out to us at Perfume Winners, Color

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Choice dot com and you will get an answer from

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one of our horticulturists. So we are here to help you,

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and we're kicking it off with a comment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Comment. We got a picture from a listener who sent

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this to us. Marge needed to send you this picture

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I took on a walk this week. Thought of you

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Rick and your Beatles comment on this weekend show last

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week's show, when I talked about how I hate weeping

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trees that are prone to look like the Beatles, And

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here's a weeping beach that looks like it, she says, old, bloody,

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old bla dah.

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Speaker 2: Life goes And we will have pictures of that on

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YouTube if you want to see it. And you know,

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I think of all the weeping trees out there, it's

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the most tragic to do this to a weeping beach

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because weeping beaches are so majestic.

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Speaker 3: This is for you.

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Speaker 1: It's Stacy's birthday. I'm hijacking our mailbox this week to

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say a happy birthday. And I would say to you, Stacy,

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how many times have you been given a brick for

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your birthday.

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Speaker 2: I have never been given a brick for my birthday.

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Is this is a beauty. This is a beauty. I

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love the glaze. This is fabulous and this will absolutely

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earn a place in my garden. Thank you, Rick.

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Speaker 1: Sorry to call you out like that, but it is

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her birthday and we have to celebrate, and I thought,

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what better. You know, I'm the guy who gave her

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a Macromain long chair. Why not follow it up.

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Speaker 2: We're using it too, so and I will be able

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to sell. Put the brick where I can see it.

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And thank you Rick. Those very very very sweet. But yeah,

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please don't do this to a weeping beach. Of all plants,

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you know, I see people do it to weeping cherries. Okay,

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but weeping beaches are truly majestic, and it's a shame

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to give it a little beetles haircut.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 1: Jeannie writes to us, I'm looking for suggestions on privacy

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plants and others which thrive in beach sand, you wrote

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to the right show, right, Yes, what do you recommend?

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Speaker 2: Well, honestly, I would say, you know I'm going to

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give you an answer, but my answer is going to

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be based on the advice that I'm about to give you,

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which is go to the beach and see what grows.

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So if you're out here in West Michigan, you know,

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you go to any of our state parks or county

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parks like Rosy Mound Park out here in Grand Haven

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and see what's growing. And the number one plant that

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you are going number one evergreen that you're going to

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see growing is juniper. Yes, and that is a true

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testament because those are growing wild. And if something is

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growing wild, of course that means it's adapted to those conditions,

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and not that many plants really are going to be

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doing great in a truly sandy situation. I think juniper

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is a massive exception to that. They seem to love it.

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Speaker 1: I agree with juniper, and I'm going to suggest ornamental

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grasses to help myself and my neighbors use them. We

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don't cut them back in winter. We wait until spring

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to cut them back. So there are a number of

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grasses miscanthus that will get tall enough to provide you

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some privacy.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a great point too. I didn't think about

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that at my mind immediately when to evergreens, But of

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course Anyone who goes to the beach is going to

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notice our abundance of beach grass. So grass obviously is

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well suited. So and the nice thing is, you know,

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if you live in a colder climate, which I assume

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that you do, you're out here in West Michigan, you

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know you don't necessarily need that winter privacy. You're probably

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not in your yard. And in which case, you know,

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in the grass, leaving it standing still does provide good privacy.

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You just kind of have that window in late winter

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through about mid spring where you're waiting for it to

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actually start growing and filling in. The nice thing about

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the junipers as an option, and it's true with the

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grasses as well, lots of different colors and sizes. And

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with the junipers you can get big plants that are

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going to take up a ton of space as well

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as fastigiit plants that will take up less space, just

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like we were talking about with glow stick Japanese holly,

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which I would not recommend for planting in beach sand.

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It will not be happy and neither will you. But

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visit your garden center, take a look at both of

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these options. Don't be afraid to mix and match, because

474
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they also can work very well altogether, especially giving you

475
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that kind of beechy vibe.

476
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Speaker 1: Right, No, I agree, it'd be great, Lisa writes to us. Help.

477
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,759
I bought a clearance, oh the best kind, a clearance

478
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,960
three to four foot ember waves arbor Vite, all proud

479
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,359
of myself thinking I got a great deal. When I

480
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,880
brought it home, I was disheartened to discover that the

481
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,640
main leader had been tipped. Do I return it and

482
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,240
buy another for two or three times the price, or

483
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:30,400
take my chances that the leader will sort itself out

484
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,599
without looking wonky? Also, do the ember waves really get

485
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,519
eight feet wide? Thanks so much for your timely advice.

486
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: All right, I want to answer this with a hot take.

487
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, my hot take.

488
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,319
Speaker 2: My hot take is the backing news is that leaders

489
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:54,480
on most plants are overrated. Not all plans, not all plans,

490
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,920
and some plants it's extremely crucial. But I think people

491
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,960
get a little bit too freaked out by the lack

492
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:05,519
of a leader, and that almost any plant that is

493
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:09,400
inclined to form a leader will regrow one if it

494
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,240
loses one. Now, certainly, some really large trees like pines

495
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,440
and spruces, losing their leader is not necessarily catastrophic because

496
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,920
one of the reasons that I have this opinion is

497
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,599
seeing the plants in Japan and when we were talking

498
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:27,359
about our vacation episode, you know, all of the thousands

499
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,079
and thousands of pines at the Imperial Palace in Tokyo

500
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,680
have all lost their leaders. They've specifically been pruned to

501
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,519
not have their leader. What great character, and they look beautiful.

502
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,240
And so I think with arborvidy, and this is not

503
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a plant I'm familiar with. This isn't a proven winter's plant,

504
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,480
So I'm sorry, I can't answer you for sure weather

505
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,759
or not it gets eight feet wide, but I would

506
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,720
trust that it would get at least that wide. And

507
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:50,240
I know that can be hard to believe when you've

508
00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,720
got that cute little plant in front of you, but

509
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,079
it probably will and I would definitely account for that width.

510
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,759
But I believe that, yes, your plant will form a

511
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,279
new You can also kind of force it to form

512
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,519
a new leader by choosing a branch and starting to

513
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trim towards that. But most plants that have this inherent

514
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:14,039
tendency to have a leader will form a new one.

515
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Speaker 1: I can't add anything to that. Stacy. Other than to say, Lisa,

516
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,279
you bought it on clearance, I would accept compliments on

517
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:23,079
its character.

518
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: You enjoy it, and it will grow in a pyramidle form.

519
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,880
It's just going to take a little while. And this

520
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,799
happens to me with a juniper. I had a fastigiit

521
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,920
juniper that was a seed grown juniper. It lost its

522
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,240
leader from a really heavy snow and ice load and

523
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:39,839
it had this big, horrible looking hole in it for

524
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,079
like two months, and then a new leader emerged and

525
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:45,880
now you can't even tell it ever lost it. So

526
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,000
you can trust the plant. If it's really really important

527
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,759
to you, then by all means go back and get

528
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:53,440
the more expensive plants. But I think you can trust

529
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that this one will will recover.

530
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Speaker 1: I love it. Tina writes to us, I need help

531
00:29:57,559 --> 00:29:59,880
figuring out what's going on with my three year old

532
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:05,160
royal star magnolia. The shrub tree seems healthy. I've seen

533
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,440
two different explanations from different extensions. One says insect go all,

534
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:15,920
the other says seed pods help. I'm in southeast Minnesota.

535
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:18,079
Speaker 2: And we have pictures of this on YouTube, So join

536
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,000
us on YouTube if you want to see a picture

537
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,519
of that and I wanted to answer Tina's question today

538
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,759
because this is not you know, there's certain questions that

539
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:29,079
you always get as a horticulturist, right every year, right now,

540
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,319
what is this plant with the pink stems and the

541
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:34,319
purple berries and it's pokeweed? Why is at my hydrange

542
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:36,400
of blooming? There's things you can predict. And this year

543
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,880
I've had more questions on magnolia seed pods than I've

544
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,920
ever had before. And the answer, Tina, is that those

545
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,480
are simply the seed pods. Agreat they are just the

546
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,559
seed pods. And the reason that they look so funky,

547
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:51,559
and you'll certainly see this if you look at her pictures,

548
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,759
and the seed pods on my magnolia look exactly the same.

549
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,839
The seed pods of the numerous magnolias in our trial

550
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,240
garden look the exact same. Because the magnolia seed pod

551
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,279
looks a little bit like a pickle, is made up

552
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:09,160
of numerous individual ovaries, and so when that's flowering, and

553
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,039
if you look at the center of a magnolia flower,

554
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,319
you will actually be able to see that. So each

555
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,079
of those, actually probably the whole thing, is considered an ovary,

556
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,839
and each of those are considered individual fruitlets in there.

557
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,240
But when you have like some bumps and it's kind

558
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,720
of twisting and turning in one side is bumpy, it

559
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:28,039
simply means that that is where it got pollinated. So

560
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,359
not every single flower within that inflorescence actually was pollinated.

561
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,160
Only the ones that were pollinated start to swell, and

562
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:42,240
it gives it that weird, contorted, twisted Look. Now, as

563
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,559
you were saying, Rick before the show, if you break

564
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:47,079
that open, it'll be red red orange inside at this

565
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:47,839
time of year.

566
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Speaker 1: And I would break one or two open and take

567
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:50,680
a look.

568
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you let them open naturally, which they

569
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,759
will do in the coming weeks. It's very cool because

570
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:59,960
the magnolia seeds come out on this little silken threat.

571
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,759
It's really beautiful and you can kind of pull them

572
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:06,079
off and you can pull the thread out. It's really long.

573
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:08,039
I don't know. It's one of my favorite things about Magnolia's.

574
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:10,240
I love it. They also have a really good kind

575
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,000
of resinous smell. Now, the other question that I got

576
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:16,319
about magnolia seed pods earlier this year was from someone

577
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,920
who was worried their magnolia was dying because the seed

578
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,000
pods were dropping, and I told her, no need to worry.

579
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,960
It's just that they didn't get fertilized at all. So

580
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,039
in about midsummer, any fruits on the magnolia that did

581
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:32,000
not have any fertilization happening, the plant just drops them.

582
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,720
So you have that drop earlier in the season. Now

583
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,039
you have the maturity and they will be bursting open

584
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,640
probably in another four to six weeks.

585
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Speaker 1: Great description, yep, so enjoy them.

586
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Speaker 2: It is part of the show on a Magnolia. We're

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going to take a little break. When we come back.

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We've got our guest Lisa Roper from Chanticleair Garden. Simpley

589
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Proven Winners, color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and

594
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welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show where I am

595
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,160
so very very excited to have a guest Lisa Roper

596
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from Shanta Clear Gardens, which is in Wayne, Pennsylvania, not

597
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:30,119
far from Philadelphia and honestly one of the best public

598
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,519
gardens in the entire United States, certainly top ten in

599
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:37,000
the world. If you are a plant lover, this is

600
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,200
a place that you have to see because they truly

601
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,559
elevate horticulture to an art. The science is still very

602
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,759
much there, but the planting at Chanticleer is really done

603
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,880
in a way that really can't be matched for artfulness

604
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,279
and just with an appreciation for plants and their gestures,

605
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:57,960
and it's fabulous. It's open to the public April through

606
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,000
November and you should definite only visit. And with that

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I am going to bring in Lisa, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: So tell our listeners, since we are based in Michigan

610
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and many of our listeners are also based here, that

611
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,760
we have listeners across the country in Canada, tell them

612
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,440
a little bit about Chanticleer, Okay.

613
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Speaker 3: Chanta Clear is a pleasure garden that's open to the

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public since nineteen ninety three. It was the former home

615
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,880
of the Rosengarden family. They had a chemical company in Philadelphia,

616
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,840
later merged with merk and they were famous for producing

617
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,480
large quantities of quina. The main house, built in nineteen

618
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:47,199
thirteen as a summer residence, but eventually the family moved

619
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,280
there and the son and the daughter as they grew up,

620
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,480
each got their own house. When I entered the scene

621
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in nineteen ninety Ada Frozen Garden Junior, the son was

622
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:06,000
still alive. He had set up a board and left

623
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,559
an endowment, and by the time I started two months later,

624
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,599
he had passed away. But that's how we came to

625
00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,440
be open to the public. We are still a private foundation,

626
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so it.

627
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Speaker 2: Was already in process as a garden where he passed away.

628
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Speaker 3: That is correct. Chris Woods, a gardener from England, had

629
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been hired as the director. I think I actually started

630
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as a gardener and he had a vision for this place.

631
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,760
Chris had just put out a book on perennials. He's

632
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,519
an incredible plantsman and designer and he just envisioned this

633
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,519
very creative garden and set out to start doing it

634
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:52,679
in nineteen ninety.

635
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Speaker 2: Well, and that's amazing because I was reading about you.

636
00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:00,280
You have been there since the beginning as a horticulturist.

637
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Speaker 3: Since early, very early on, Yes, since nineteen ninety. I

638
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:08,840
got to see that the master plan go in and

639
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,599
the garden open to the public and as the years

640
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have gone by, It's grown, our visitation has grown, and

641
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,559
the matter of staff has grown, and the gardens have grown. Well.

642
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Speaker 2: I can't lie. I am like a serious fangirl because

643
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:28,280
Lisa Roper is like the ultimate horticulture cool girl. I

644
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,960
was looking at her Instagram. Not only is she an

645
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,559
amazing plants person with incredible knowledge and an eye for design,

646
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:38,360
but you've traveled all over the world studying plants, looking

647
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,960
at plants like I mean. And we'll give out your

648
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,880
Instagram handle so people can follow you at the end

649
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,920
of the segment. But one of the reasons that Lisa,

650
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as a horticulturist at Chanticleer is the one who is

651
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,159
joining us today is because she is the gardener in

652
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,000
charge of the ruined garden at Chanticleer. So with that,

653
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:01,519
since we're talking about garden follies and I think the

654
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Chanticleer ruin is such an incredible example of a modern

655
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,519
day or contemporary folly, can you tell us a little

656
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,159
bit about how that came to be?

657
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Speaker 3: Yes, this idea occurred to Chris Woods in the early nineties.

658
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As I said, he's British, and of course in Europe

659
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,719
there are lots of follies and ruins, and in America,

660
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,199
sincewits so new, there aren't. But he envisioned turning the

661
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,360
house that was Adolf rosen Garden Junior's house into a folly.

662
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:35,880
He wanted it to feel like an old, crumbling house

663
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that's been overtaken by vines and trees and so on.

664
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And I'd say in the early nineties he started talking

665
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about it. We went and visited ruins in Italy and

666
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England to get inspirations. In fact, I remember going to

667
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,000
Nympha in Italy, which is a beautiful ruined garden, very

668
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,920
romantic but in the and he built it with the

669
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,800
help of landscape architect Marabard, and they he envisioned it

670
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,559
very green and textural and not romantic in Flowery. And

671
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that's what happened, except the structural engineers recommended that instead

672
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of ruining the house, the stonehouse that was there, that

673
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we build the new ruin up from the footprint so

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it would just be more structurally sound. And that happened

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in nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: And were you, and since you've been a part of Chanticleer,

677
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you know, since its inception, were you a part of

678
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that design process? What did that look like.

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Speaker 3: So I was not in those days. I was in

680
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the Asian Woods. That was my primary garden for eleven years,

681
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and a woman named Laurel Varan, who has since moved

682
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to Michigan, gardened it first. So I think I would

683
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say that, you know, I don't think she was that

684
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,280
involved in the architect actual design of the ruin, but

685
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she was very involved in the planting up of the ruin,

686
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and you know, sort of teested certain things, like, for example,

687
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there are wall pockets in the ruin where soil is,

688
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and she first put ferns in them since it's kind

689
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of shady there, but even with drift irrigation, they didn't thrive.

690
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So in the end she found succulents to be a

691
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,760
better choice, and so she gardened there for about thirteen

692
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years before I came on the scene and took it over.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I feel like now it would be

694
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a good time to mention that one of the other

695
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things that makes Chantic Clear truly unique among public gardens

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is that it is considered a pleasure garden. That's kind

697
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,519
of your tagline, and you don't do labels.

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Speaker 3: For the most part, we do not. We do label

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Woody plants, but they're usually discreete so you have done

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for them. But what we do is put out plant lists,

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and each garden area has a beautiful plantless box where

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they're located that was made by one of the gardeners

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out of stained glass and metal or wood, each one different.

704
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Eric Sue is our plant recorder and he's responsible for

705
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keeping track of all these plants and putting the list together.

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Speaker 2: So what does the plant box in the ruined garden

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look like?

708
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 3: It is a stained glass box. I have never made

709
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,559
any of them. We all have different projects in the

710
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:35,760
winter time, and Joe Henderson, the pond gardener, does a

711
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,599
lot of them. But I think Laurel did come too.

712
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,159
So it's a beautiful stained glass little box hung on

713
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,440
the stone wall of the ruin.

714
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: So can you kind of paint? Since we are a podcasts,

715
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,679
there's going to be a YouTube version, and I know

716
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,880
Adriana will have some photography of her own that she

717
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,880
can share. I have some photography from years ago when

718
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,880
I last visited Chanticleer, So can you kind of just

719
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,880
paint like a basic picture for our audio listeners of

720
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,519
what the chant clear ruin looks like?

721
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, as I said, it's built in the footprint

722
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,360
of the house, so there are various rooms that correspond

723
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,360
to what the house had. When you enter it from

724
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,000
the Sparrobolus meadow, going up the hill, you walk into

725
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:21,480
a outdoor like sort of courtyard first where there are

726
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:29,199
large sculptures of acorns and a stone stone oak leaves.

727
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,840
And then you walk into the dining room and there

728
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,880
is the black granite water table, which was an inspiration

729
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,239
from a garden in Italy called Villa Lante that Chris

730
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,159
took us to, and around on the floor around the

731
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,320
water table is a carpet made out of stone and tile.

732
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,239
The tile from the roof, which was terra cotta, was

733
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,119
recycled to use as the sort of carpet pattern in

734
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:03,000
that dining room. And then from there you would walk

735
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:08,559
into the library where stones carved into books by an

736
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:12,760
artist named Marcia Donahue who did the acorns are also

737
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,840
and these are kind of stacked and lying around, and

738
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,480
if you look closely, they have different words in them,

739
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,280
many of which are puns that reflect the garden or

740
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,719
the ruin or people. And then the last big room

741
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,199
is where the faces fountain is, so there are two

742
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,840
water features in this ruin. The faces fountain is about

743
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,960
waist high, and it has these just beautiful marble faces

744
00:42:41,039 --> 00:42:44,960
of pink and black stone, and there's waterfall kind of

745
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,920
going over them.

746
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,559
Speaker 2: So it's almost like everything that you described is it's

747
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,559
like follies within a folly. You know, all of these

748
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:56,199
extra kind of visual puns and everything within something that's

749
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,800
already a folly. That's kind of amazing.

750
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: And the other thing is the walls are clothed in

751
00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:06,119
espaliers and vine for the most part. I mean, there

752
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,599
are a few shrubs in the ruin as well, but

753
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,840
a lot of spaliers, which are trained shrubs or trees

754
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:17,079
against they're trained against the wall, and then vines running

755
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:21,199
up the wall. So that's that's kind of the green

756
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,480
part of the ruin. There are some beds in it

757
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:27,800
where some planting pockets inside too, So.

758
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: I did want to move on and talk about the

759
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:32,360
planting and the kind of plants that are in it,

760
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,719
because I know one of the things about Chanticleer is

761
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,119
that you know, the gardeners of each of the section

762
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,760
have substantial autonomy to you know, design it and include

763
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,320
the plants that they envision for the area. And of

764
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,719
course the ruin is, you know, so very different than

765
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,320
than the rest of the garden. So sort of what

766
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,519
is the what are the primary plants and the planting

767
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:59,119
strategy that you put into being the horticulturist for the ruin.

768
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: You know, if I think about it, most of the

769
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,400
plants that are there were put in before I took over,

770
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,960
and I have just been gardening it, and I think

771
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,320
that they're very successful. I would say the key plant,

772
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,239
if there is a our signature plant, would be a

773
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:26,639
Acer davidii, which is a Asian maple with striped bark.

774
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,639
And this is espaliered on one wall above the water table.

775
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,559
It's also just growing as a tree in some of

776
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,800
the planting pockets. It has beautiful bark and some fall

777
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,199
color as well. That would be the signature inside the ruin.

778
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,400
But the plant that feels most like a ruin is

779
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,079
actually mostly outside the ruin, although there's one inside, and

780
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:54,679
that is a leaping spruce pica AB's pendula. And these

781
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,760
plants have been the central leader has been trained up

782
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,480
as high as we can train them, and then they

783
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,840
weep both and they have so much character. They're all

784
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,719
different from each other, and they look kind of like

785
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:10,000
these creatures, these doctors' creatures walking up the path towards

786
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:10,440
the ruin.

787
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:14,679
Speaker 2: So they're almost like the ghosts haunting haunting the ruin.

788
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,400
So one of the planting kind of ideas that I

789
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,800
picked up when I last visited Chanticleer, And as I recall,

790
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,199
there were oak trees, small oak trees of kind of

791
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,679
different ages popping up, and so I was wondering, you know,

792
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,119
with the acorn sculptures that you referenced as part of it,

793
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:37,639
sort of what is the significance of the oaks and

794
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:39,800
the acorns within the ruined garden.

795
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:44,119
Speaker 3: The idea is to keep those oaks juvenile and just

796
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:48,400
have them like a forest kind of coming up and

797
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:51,559
maybe looking like they're you know, like the house has

798
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,280
gotten deserted and the forest is growing up. In the beginning,

799
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,079
Laurel used to replant these every year and then have

800
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:01,719
them come up and then dig them out and plant

801
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,400
a new one. But now we found a technique that's

802
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,360
much easier. We just cut them back, like polard them

803
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,079
to the ground and let them shoot up again when

804
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:11,599
they're getting too big.

805
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: That is so smart, and I was wondering that from

806
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:16,239
the last time I visited it, and I still remember that,

807
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:17,920
even though it was you know, a good fourteen or

808
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,000
fifteen years ago. Was like, are they replanting this every year?

809
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,159
Or are they kind of compassing at tillarding it?

810
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 3: She probably was replanting it, but I have to tell

811
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,199
you one of them got away from me and it's

812
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,719
now now a tree.

813
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: These things happened, Things happened.

814
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, Lisa. I love American history

815
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:42,880
and I've always enjoyed my visits to the Philadelphia area,

816
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,599
and I think a visit to chant Clear would just

817
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:49,360
be an exclamation point. Such a beautiful place, so much

818
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:55,000
romance involved. I think about the early twentieth century people

819
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,960
getting on the train and escaping the heat and the

820
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:01,519
smells of Philadelphia to get out there. But you mentioned

821
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:04,079
an interesting thing at the outset of this interview, and

822
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:08,480
that is with the original family, were they involved in

823
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:10,679
the production of quinine?

824
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 3: Their company was, Yes, that's what their company did.

825
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: See. That's so fascinating to me because the times that

826
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:24,360
have gone to Philadelphia. The City Tavern closed during COVID

827
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,679
and I don't think has reopened. But it's where George

828
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Washington dined when he was passing through Philadelphia during his

829
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,960
inauguration as president, and so it was amazing to sit

830
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,920
in city tavern there and have a meal. But the

831
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,400
interesting thing to me, Lisa, is that George Washington had

832
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,599
a real thing for quinine, and many people would argue

833
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:57,519
that we won the Revolutionary War because of quinine. When

834
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:02,000
General Cornwallis was in South Carolina and took the fight

835
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,800
to South Carolina, mosquitoes became a serious problem, and the

836
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,880
American soldiers had the advantage over British soldiers in that

837
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:17,480
they had the availability of quinine, and many people believe

838
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:21,440
it's that that won the Revolutionary War for us. So

839
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,639
I know, I went down a completely different path from ruins,

840
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,440
but I love what you're doing there and chant to

841
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:30,119
clear gardens, and I just think it gives me goose

842
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,519
bumps to go to an area like that.

843
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you another little thing. There's a plant

844
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,400
I grow outside of the gravel guard, outside of the

845
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,960
ruin in the gravel garden, which I also take care of,

846
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,079
and that's Parthenium integrifolium. Its common name is false quinine.

847
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:51,159
And I do remember back in the nineties that Chris

848
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:54,920
would introduce that plant to Shanicker because of the history.

849
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,119
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, yeah, there's great history to that.

850
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: I love that happened when it's just like kind of

851
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,639
a little inside joke for the people who know, of

852
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,199
course about the original owners of the property. And I'm

853
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:12,960
out Parthyu as well. So I wanted to ask because

854
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,360
I think this is something that when people do visit

855
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,039
Chanticleer probably sticks with them. I mean, of course, the

856
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,039
ruin is definitely one of the most dramatic parts for

857
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:24,280
someone who maybe doesn't have such an eye for plants,

858
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,960
and it's just kind of taking in the whole experience.

859
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:30,920
But is the stone living room Was that put in

860
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,400
at the same time as the ruin?

861
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:38,119
Speaker 3: No, that's that's different. Now. Stacy's talking about a couch

862
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,679
and two stone chairs that are in the gravel garden

863
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,039
adjacent to the ruin, and those were put in by

864
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:51,840
craftsmen and gardener Doug Randolph. He started as a full

865
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,199
time gardener here in the nineties and he then transitioned

866
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,320
to be a part time gardener and craftsman and he

867
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,440
built a lot of of our wooden furniture then, but

868
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:09,039
he also carved these this furniture after actually learning how

869
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:13,039
to use air tools from Marcia Donahue, the sculptor who

870
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,119
gave us all those wonderful sculptures I mentioned, and so

871
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,960
he made them. And he also made a remote stone

872
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,920
remote with little polished stones as the buttons.

873
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just another fun take on the folly, I think,

874
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,719
even though this one does have some use, it definitely

875
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,400
has a lot of folly vibes.

876
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love whimsy, as Shanna Claire, I have to say.

877
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,360
And he used some of the micas shifts that was

878
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,599
used in the ruin to relate the furniture to the ruin.

879
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stacey shared some pictures with me. You're talking about whimsy.

880
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,519
The drinking fountains, My word, those are amazing.

881
00:50:55,639 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the drinking fountains, the furniture, the hand raise,

882
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,360
the fence is most all of it is made in

883
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:07,519
our woodshop and metal shop by gardens in the later time.

884
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: So I know we've been talking for a while. So

885
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,639
we always ask our guests this question, and it is

886
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,320
of course the most unfair question you could possibly ask

887
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,519
a horticulturist. But you know, for you, Lisa, with your

888
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:25,599
incredible experience and range of knowledge and travels, we have

889
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:28,719
to ask what's your favorite plant. It could be just

890
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,239
at this moment, it could be in general. However you

891
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,039
want to answer that, But we want to know what's

892
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:34,800
your what's your top pick today?

893
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: Maybe I want to say right now. Leaptrice asked bra

894
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,639
this is not the into ruin. It's in the gravel

895
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:50,599
garden and it's about to open. It has like little

896
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,320
button like flowers about five and five and a half

897
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,960
feet tall. I love it because the monarch's nectar on it,

898
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:02,159
and I grow a lot of different leatris or gay

899
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,199
feather in the gravel garden. Did you mean for the

900
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,000
ruin though.

901
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:08,079
Speaker 2: Oh, I've just been in general. It doesn't have to

902
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:08,960
be related to the ruin.

903
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in the ruin. I do put a gave

904
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:17,679
attenuata in the wall pockets and I love them. And

905
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:20,559
they were actually influenced by a trip to Madera where

906
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:23,159
I saw I forget if it was a savaria or

907
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,400
some succulent growing in walls and with you know, the

908
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:30,760
big bouquet almost of a succulent, and so I kind

909
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,639
of copied that idea with a gave attenuata and I

910
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,559
plant them out in May and they stay until you know,

911
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,280
it gets too cold.

912
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: And it is such an amazing place. Now, you know,

913
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,159
I feel like, Lisa, you've done such an amazing job

914
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:50,039
of painting the picture of the ruin. And you know,

915
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,960
when when I know people who are headed to Philadelphia,

916
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,760
they usually say, I can't wait to visit Longwood and Lisa,

917
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,039
I know you're an alum of Longwood, which is of

918
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:03,119
course amazing. They have an incredible professional horticulture program. But

919
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,079
I always tell people, you know, Longwood's great, but Chanta

920
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,719
Clear is where you should be spending your time.

921
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and you know, we have a lot of

922
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,280
crossover with Longwood as well. The students come and work,

923
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,840
volunteer to work with us on weekends and exchange for that,

924
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,559
I think we help subsidize their trip. And so there's

925
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:29,280
a lot of back and forth between the two and

926
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,760
many and not only I, but other horticultures that Shanna

927
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,679
Clear studied it Longwood and.

928
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: You're less than an hour drive apart, So why not.

929
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:44,599
Speaker 3: You're absolutely then they're so different. You know, Longwood's such

930
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,079
a large, grand garden and Shannon Clear's more intimate and

931
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:52,519
maybe more easily envisioned to take something and put it

932
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:56,159
in your home guarden. You know, the same idea, right.

933
00:53:56,199 --> 00:53:59,599
Speaker 2: I'm lucky to have visited in multiple seasons, and it

934
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:03,079
is there's always been so many moments that have just

935
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,800
you know, from a horticultural perspective, from a plant design perspective.

936
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,599
I'm really just in awe of your talent and vision

937
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,519
and that of all of the horticulturists at Chanticleer.

938
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,639
Speaker 3: Thank you.

939
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:21,159
Speaker 2: You do an amazing job. So let that be a

940
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:24,679
recommendation for our listeners. If you are going to Philadelphia

941
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,280
and you only have time to visit one single garden,

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I would humbly recommend Chanta Clear if you can visit

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to you go ahead and add Long or any of

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the other great gardens in the area area inspiring Lisa,

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Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Can I just have one thing that you mentioned the

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visitation or we Since COVID, we have a reservation system

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for your car, okay, so do you check the website

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before you come. And that's at most days but not

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all so okay.

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Speaker 2: Good to know. So that is a good pro tip

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if you are driving to Chanta Clear. Now I know

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what I want to leave our listeners with something so

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they can if they're not planning a trip to Philadelphia

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anytime too soon, can take a look at what you

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are doing. So what is your Instagram It's etc.

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Speaker 3: E P H E D E r A all right,

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and that is a plant that I grow in the

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gravel garden.

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Speaker 2: And so you can also follow Lisa and all of

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the other horticulture's work at Chanticleer at Chanticleer Garden on Instagram,

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and Lisa, you take a great number of the photos

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that are shared on the social media posts.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I photographed the garden weekly and the photographs I

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make the content basically, and then they're used by our

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web guide to put on Facebook and Instagram, although some

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of the other we have Instagram takeovers by some of

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our very talented interns and other staff. So you will

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run into those two well.

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Speaker 2: They are definitely worth following and so much inspiration on

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those accounts, whether you're looking for plants or photography or

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just inspiration for your next trip to visit gardens. So Lisa,

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thank you so very much for your time with us

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in all of your amazing work at Chanticleer and sharing

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your talents in photography and planting design.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, and I look forward to seeing people

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come to the garden and introduce themselves to me.

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Speaker 2: I hope they do it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Lisa, Well Stacey. That was fantastic and I'm

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inspired and i can't wait to do a little folly

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work in my landscape.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what you do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Stacy, thank you Adriana, and thanks most of

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all to you for watching us on YouTube, looking for

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the podcast wherever you get your favorite podcasts, and listening

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to the radio version of our show. Have a great week.