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Speaker 2: Do do?

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Speaker 3: All right? Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 4: We have Posh Spice, my favorite of the Spice girls,

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with us today, and he is based and he is

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decked out in his traditional Hollywood costumes, I mean Halloween

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costumes that they wear in Serbia, and we are going

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to be what's up, Pasha?

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Speaker 3: You doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very well, as you can see, as you said,

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decked out surrounded by Serbian paraphernalia and all my instruments.

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You can see my piano here. You can see my

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other children there. They're my children. I'm not a dog

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or cat mom or dad, my own instrument dad.

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Speaker 3: That's all good.

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Speaker 4: We love our serves around here, guys, if you would

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hit like and share, we are about to get deep.

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My boy Pash here has actually done some deep dives

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on the Book of Abraham. As you guys know, we've

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had a lot of Mormons call in, We've had a

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lot of Mormon debates. We have not done a deep

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dive on this topic, So why don't you before we

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get started, and I'll have Posh's links below. I did

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adam to the show description to the title, Posh tell

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us first of all about how everybody thinks about the

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Book of Mormon, They think about the Doctrine, Covenant, Pearl

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of Price, etc. And I think this document is part

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of one of those texts. Why is this, first of all,

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such an important one and why do we need to

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really talk about this one?

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Speaker 2: Well, to give you a bit of background as to

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why I even got onto this for those who don't know,

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I've worked for the Crucible, have for room, mister Yana,

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and I hope with like religious debate, research and prep.

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So Andrew calls me up one day, well, Posh going

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after the Mormons. So off I go, like a good soldier,

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start researching, because lord know, someone has to pay me

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to read the rubbishment. Obviously I started doing so, so

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that's some quality engineering right there. Right. So you know

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I knew enough about Mormonism to reject it, but if

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someone asked me to debate, I'd refuse to debate it. You,

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So off I went researching. As you said, there are

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three collections shall we call them our Mormon scriptures, the

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Book of Mormon itself and all of its constituent books,

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the Doctrines and Covenants, which is considered scripture for them,

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and the Pearl of Great Price. As you said, the

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Book of Abraham is part of one of them. That

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would be the pearl great Price. Now, what's so important

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about this is that he made quite a few very

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remarkable statements and so many many errors that can be

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very easily debunked. That is the significance of it. Also

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theologically significant because that's where you get the pre existence

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of the souls. That's the only place in their scriptures

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that I'm aware of that colob is mentioned, for example.

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So it is a very important text, and there are

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very fundamental doctrines that are based on it. So I

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you know, that's one of the things I started researching.

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I read the other ones as well, obviously, but nothing

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compares to how this book, which is about things, compared.

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Speaker 3: Compared to colab.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea how sad it is to throw

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like pop references at me.

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Speaker 3: If you've never heard the Prince song. But wait a minute,

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you've heard the surely the Sinead O'Connor version of it. NA,

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I think compers, do you nope?

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Speaker 2: What this is? This is a conversation I've had many

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and that was her book hit was covering the Prince song.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, but so I know two prince songs,

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completely as I said, it's it's a sad thing to

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Speaker 3: That's okay. I apologize for changing it and tell us

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about the Lords of Colob.

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and as we will get to the book itself, I

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split it into two portions as we talk about it.

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procurement its translation.

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go into that. And that is just simply that, even

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though we are joking, this is actually in Maconkey's Book

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of Mormon Doctrines, there is an entry, an entire entry

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on Colob just to let you know.

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Speaker 3: Here it is right here, and it says I'll read

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Speaker 4: Colob is the first creation. It is the name of

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the planet nearest to the celestial residence of God. So

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God has a body and he lives on a planet

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near Colob. It is the first in the Space Government's hierarchy.

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in Colob equals one thousand years of Earth time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's in the book that is specifically mentioned.

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and so I would split it into the problems of

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the process of procurement and translation. And if we grant

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all of that, like, okay, there's a way to explain it,

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which there isn't. But if we did grant it, then

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there's the problem with the content itself. So, as someone

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who spends most of his nerd stats, you know, you know,

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going into linguistics in history, like things just kept jumping

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out at me that were very basic mistakes but very easily,

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very easily understood to be made by someone in the

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early nineteenth century, especially like because it was barely discovered,

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like the Rosetta stem being unlocked, and the ability to

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translate hieroglyphics was still debated, right, So no one was

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around to correct any of this, so you can see

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how it got its momentum. We like to think, oh, well,

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in you know Trompolier, like in nineteen eighteen twenty four,

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to translating hieroglyphics centers. Well, so now everyone from that

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year onwards, can you know, go and decipher hieroglyphics. No,

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this point, so no one was there to correct our body,

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our pal, our friend Joseph Smith, but he also makes

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some very cardinal errors. We will go to the link

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've got the link pulled up below you.

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Speaker 4: One question before we get into it, though, could you

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summarize briefly if you're able.

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Speaker 3: So they have these three major texts.

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Speaker 4: They've got book Amormon Doctrine, Covenant Prolar Price and this

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Speaker 3: Of which one of Great Price. Okay, what are the what?

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Speaker 4: What are these three books mainly focused on? If you

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are able to summarize. If not, we can move on

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to the right.

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Speaker 2: I can. So basically, the Book of Mormon itself are

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the translated plates that we get from Nephi and all

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the other buddies. Right, that's so like, that's the proper

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so to speak, Mormon Scripture, Doctrines and Covenants are collections

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of predictions and statements that he made. They are classified enumerated.

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adding on. They've been reorganized and reshuffled, but are still

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considered holy scriptures because of the prophecies of Smith. And

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Matthew a compliment, which is a chapter, you know. Then

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also some predictions are there the Book of Abra and

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obviously so it's sort of the left overs that are

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neither belonging to the corpus of the Book of Mormon

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nor just a part of the Doctrines and Covenant. So

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that's a very basic summary of it. We can see

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some through lines. By the way, Now this is a

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stylistic critique, which is a very difficult critique to make

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if you're very good faith. We hear a lot of

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those about the Pouline epistles, for example. You know, they said, well,

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look how differently he writes or speaks in these in

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these different epistles. And no one apparently knows what an

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amanuensis is, because we have Saint Paul writing with his

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own hands and he mentions it because his eyesight wasn't

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very good, so when he wrote himself, he wrote in

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very large letters. But if you have an amanuensis, you know,

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an amanuensis will influence the style because they are trained

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in proper grammar as they would see it. But as

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far as Smith is concerned, what I found hilarious reading

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through the Book of Mormons. You have these like King

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jame Z phrases that appear, and not only do they appear,

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they appear aggressively. So you have so so many verses

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that start with and it came to pass that, and

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it came to pass that I've counted as far as

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five verses in a row starting with that. But that

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is stylistically the problem because obviously that's not how people

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sound like, so he's trying to replicate them. But so

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it's throughout his translations and works, right, And you can

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see how pathetic it is, obviously, because when you don't

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have sufficient knowledge of it, which the people who translated

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the King James Bible did right. They were fancy schmancy

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Englishmen right in the sixteenth century, so they didn't need

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to pretend to speak like that. That's how they were

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educated to talk. But we see this nonsense throughout this

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area even onto, and you know, all sorts of phraseology.

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get to some in the Book of Abraham later on,

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but obviously the entire works that are translated just oose

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with disingenuous nonsense and pretending to be like the Bible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm looking under McConkie's entry. I thought this

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was a fascinating giveaway. He says, well, the prolgrade price

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is the things that were lost in the pentatug.

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Speaker 4: Now get this, watch this bait and switch. He actually

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says that you're gonna love this. So when Conky says.

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Speaker 3: Contrary to higher critics, Moses actually did write the pentatog

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the first five books of Moses, but the present form

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that we have does not contain these secret teachings that

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were originally there that Joseph Smith has restored. So this

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is the great admission once again that he's trying to

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avoid higher criticism. But then he's turning around and being

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a higher critic by saying that the texts are corrupted

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and really what's missing is this secret Book of Abraham.

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Speaker 2: He's actually worse than a higher critic. Jimbob. Jimbob has

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made a huge part of his exchange with Mormons, like

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Joseph Smith adding himself to Genesis because we have and

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you know, adding that prediction about his you know name

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being Joseph. Turns out, no, he interpolated a lot of

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other things. But so while reading through there, through the

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Book of Mormon itself, which is purportedly written most of

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it at least like in six hundred BC, it predicts

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that there will be like these apostles right in like

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six hundred years or so, and they will keep everything pure.

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I didn't write down the exact verse where it says

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that the Gentiles received purely from the Jews, right, so

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we get everything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is an important point because if you go

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the introduction to the Book of Mormon, but it starts

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with the Great Apostasy that the Church died. And that's

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of course, the whole ethos of Mormonism is the restoration.

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Speaker 2: Yes, obviously so, but one part of that is and

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a Mormon, because we discussed this prior to the debate,

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and we talk like, listen, if we received purely from

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the Jews, then we can have a timeline of when

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after the death of the Apostles. That's in first and

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thirteen if I'm not mistaken. But so let's say, obviously,

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whether John is dead or not is for them a question.

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so from the second century onward, we can expect copies

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of Genesis that lack these interpolations, restorations from their world view.

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the Command Community the scenes, and Genesis is the most

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copied book in that collection, and they date from the

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third century BC to the first century. So because the

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Sens are scattered at the destruction of Jerusalem in seventy

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they went in Jerusalem, but that whole campaign sort of

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destroys their semi nomadic existence. But the again, we have

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these preserved until nineteen forty seven, they weren't touched. So

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from the third century BC to the mid twentieth century,

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no one touches them, and their genesis is in accordance

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with ours. It lacks these interpolations. So either the Book

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of Mormon is wrong and it's not the Gentiles that

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have corrupted it, but the Jews as well prior to

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the Gentiles, so Mormonism is wrong, or it's the Genesis

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has been their genesis is tampered with. Therefore it's wrong

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because you're messing with scripture. So it's a catch twenty two.

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There's no way to get out of it.

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Speaker 4: Now, One little interesting side note in Father Digandcaronias is

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put into the chat this link that I was looking

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at here from one University, Young University. Apparently, now the

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Mormons are trying to revise their position on the Great

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Apostasy and alter and update that. But that's nothing surprising,

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because everybody has to keep in mind Mormonism is actually charismatic.

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They believe in ongoing new public revelations, so they can

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revise and rewrite their mistakes like any of the other

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cults to do conveniently, because well, the rating apostles and

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prophets get new revelations that make it all work together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they don't. They're saying, yeah, yeah, but you

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see there's also a big problem, you see have They're

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own nice and they will want to work together and stuff.

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the Church of the Lamb of God and the Church

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of the Devil, the great abominable Church with its priest

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craft and funnily enough, the that's not Nephi. I have

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this Moroni eight nine calls infant baptism an abomination, which

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is an interesting you know time because not even the

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original reformers were against infant baptism. John Calvin was pretty

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insistent on it, right, So it's strange that we find

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this controversy that didn't exist until later on in the

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in the Reformation, in certain circles of it at least.

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So again, one might view that as our nineteenth century Charlatan,

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you know, giving credence to himself or his teaching by

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by creating a fake sixth century BC document that just

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happens to align with him. But yeah, obviously, like a

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lot of these movements, they mostly view the Catholic tressures

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its greatest evil in the world. So that's nothing new.

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But again you can see how it is anachronistic with

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these problems. I have lots of things. One of my

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favorite is that it calls the Virgin Mary exceedingly fair

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and white.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me add that to be eager on what

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the classic Mormon doctrine is. In Maconkey's Mormon Doctrine Book,

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there is an entry on the Great Apostasy.

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Speaker 3: It's just under the Apostasy here, and it says, after

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the time of Our Lord, the loss of the Gospel

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occurred and the nations went into darkness and a moral decline.

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This dark Ages was an apostasy that was universal darkness

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covered the earth, and then its cites Doctrine and Covenant

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one hundred and twelve twenty three. This darkness still prevails

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except amongst those to whom the Gospel has been restored

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through Mormonism.

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Speaker 2: Right, And there are lots of things that are very strange.

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For example, I tried testing out some arguments on Twitter,

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and I keep asking them a bit because one of

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their claims is, well, you trust you trust Paul, but

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you don't trust Joseph Smith. Right, that's one of the approaches.

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Because is Paul specifically prophesied in the Old Testament? Okay, no,

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not by a name, but guess who is prophesied a

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lot the guy who chose Paul to be, to be

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his emissary, his apostle to the gentiles. And also what

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a lot of because you know how much Heretics and

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Muslims and all sorts of people go for Saint Paul. Recently,

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Andrew debated that liberal Catholic Fugal sang or whatever however

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you pronounce his surname like, he basically says the plastic

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thing that Paul corrupted Christianity. He was Jesus's conservative pr guy,

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and he destroyed Jesus's progressive, pro LGBT, pro abortion, pro

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feminist message, right, because they don't seem to realize, first

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of all, that Saint Paul was dead by the time

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the Gospels were written down, right. We tend to forget

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it because he said, no, he went up and he

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started his church, you know, like, no, he was dead

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by the time mcgobald's written down. He he didn't go

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for an upgrade from being a respected a pharisee into

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being beaten and stoned and healed poorly and having all

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sorts of problems. He didn't go for some material upgrade.

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common it is to attribute all evil. He's like a Zazel,

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attribute all evil to Paul.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, a lot of more men's, a lot of Muslims,

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a lot of the you know, weird cults, higher critics too,

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they all kind of lashed onto that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the thing is they forget that Saint Paul

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was introduced to the apostles behind and not satan Io's right,

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but they stay with him, like saying, Luke goes with him,

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and you know, records like his sermons and stuff. So

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the apostles who did meet Jesus, obviously we're like, yeah,

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this guy is solid, even though he was like the

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most obvious fed you know in the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Right. So, but what they forget to one other point,

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just a little side note. As I think about this.

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Speaker 4: This idea that prophets are prophesied, ah, as I think

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about this in Scripture, I mean, you have the statement

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in Deuteronomy, which we think is a prediction of Christ,

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that I will raise up one of your brethren, you know,

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hear him, you shall hear. I mean, in that sense,

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Christ is a prophet who is prophesied. But none of

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the other prophets are explicitly prophesied. You know, there's no

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prophecy that Ezekiel shall be born that I'm aware of.

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I mean, you have some statements like in Ezekiel where

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it talks about, you know, a virgin will give birth

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and conceive and so forth, but you.

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Speaker 2: Get through whom no one else will enter.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't.

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Speaker 4: Typically have a prediction of prophets. It's a prediction of

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the Messiah, who is the ulter prophet.

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Speaker 2: Right. But what I was asking then is why would

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we expect someone like justice. It's like, give me something, right,

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because from what I'm hearing in the Old and the

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New Testament, there's a pretty important guy coming up and

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he will put things in order. And as far as

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we are concerned, that's the Lord incarnating and establishing the church,

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and you know, his incarnation, life and death and resurrection

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are all very very important for us Orthodox Christians. We

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don't get and that there's a blackout and then there's

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some guy who comes over near the end and fixes things.

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Nothing of the sort. So I think I got Revelations

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fourteen eight, like an angel comes spreads the Gospel throughout

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the world, like okay, and then there are other angels

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mentioned after that, right, So I don't see how we

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get from that too. Well, you're all wrong and have

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been wrong for what more than eighteen hundred years before

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this guy showed up and fixed everything. So we have

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no reason to expect anyone like Joseph Smith. Right. All

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is there because he is in full continuity with what

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was being preached, like he is instrumental, and he's chosen

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for his massive knowledge of all sorts of things and

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his stewardship under GLAMMEO. So you know, we have reasons

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to trust. I have no reason to expect someone to

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come in in eighteen hundred years later and just improvably

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wing it as far as how things go. So we

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are talking about Momonism generally. Now, right, we can start

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at the Book of Abraham. I have my notes here,

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so to get our timeline before we.

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Speaker 3: Do, there was a specific request, could you guys look

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at Doctrine and Covenant one thirty two. I think that's

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the one that has some pretty wild stuff in it.

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Is that the one that talks about the nature of

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God and Adam Adam, God is like Adam? I think?

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Speaker 4: I mean, what is it to the person that's asking here,

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maya gene, what is it about one thirty two that

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you find interesting? And I'll pull it up here?

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Speaker 3: But do you want to get to this?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: This is the supposed papyrus, right? Is that where we're going?

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Now up?

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Speaker 2: Posh, you don't have to open the link yet. That

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those are specifically the fact similes he made of of

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things in the papyrus. I will give a general introduction.

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So did you say one thirty two the door?

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Speaker 4: She says, Doctrine and Covenant one thirty two Mormons cannot

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Mormons cannot handle this chapter.

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Speaker 3: Can you give me a summary of what it is

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that are the specific things in one thirty two and

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I'll mention it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't give you a specific summary. I can

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read the intro that says revelations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, not you.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying, like I'm asking her if she this is,

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like you said, eternal covenant, marriage covenant.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this is the polygamy chapter. Okay, that's why.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. On the on the they have like records, we

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have court records of their multiple marriages, which are provided

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on the website. So they are so strange to me.

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They are very mercurial. Nothing is stable, nothing is set

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in stone, everything is both and and you know who

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knows it is like you're too rigid, you're too autistic

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about it, and it's just rubbish. So you feel free

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to interrupt me if we get no.

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Speaker 3: That's fine. We can add on over here to the

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So it's doctor in Cabinet one thirty two, which is

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the polygamy chapter. But if you want to get to

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the papyrus and all this gibberish nonsense, here go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll give you a basic introduction of how

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things went down, So he purchases through crowdfunding methods. He

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purchases a bunch of papyrie and some mummies and stuff

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in So in eighteen thirty five, A bear in mind

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this is important. This is nine years before his death right,

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so we're pretty well into his prophethood at this point.

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So he has a following and everything established. And what

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he claims is that he finds autographer so penned by

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their own hand, as he would put it, works of

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Abraham and Joseph, the patriarchs. This is important because it

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will allow us to date things. So he goes on

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to translate them, but only finished a portion of what

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was to become the Book of Abraham before his death

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in eighteen forty four. The book was canonized by the

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LDS Church in eighteen eighty and as part of the

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group of scriptures named the Pearl of Great Price. So

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here's the important thing. Purchases them in eighteen thirty five,

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translated and translates it through until death. Doesn't get very far.

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As I said, the book is about a dozen pages long.

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But it's very important that what's called what was supposed

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to be the Book of Joseph never even got translated, right.

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Even the Book of Abraham has been finished as far

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as what was claimed to be there. But they can't

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say this is some side project, this wasn't part of

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the inspired work, because they're ongoing prophecy and profethood and

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the presidency, like the Mormon Pope or whatever. Right, they

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canonized the Pearl of Great Price in eighteen eighty, so

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it's part of their scriptures. Don't let them maneuver around.

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There are some LEDs groups which claim that they reject

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the Pearl of Great Price, or at least the Book

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of Abraham, And as we will see, there's a good

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reason you would want to reject it. But considering how

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they purport, how they pretend, the system works, no two

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ways about it. So what happens is a bit of

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a difficulty on our end to critique, because these papyriti

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exchange hands over time, and they end up in Chicago,

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and most of them are destroyed in the Great Chicago

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Fire of eighteen seventy one. Not all, though, and the

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ones which aren't destroyed end up in the met right,

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the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York in nineteen

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seventy four horribly from Mormons nineteen seventy four, it seems,

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and they end up they inform the LDS Church of

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this in nineteen sixty six and hand it over to

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them in nineteen sixty seven. There are some more applications

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that had to publish. How big of a problem this is.

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But as you know, they're everything and nothing at the

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same time. It's both the most important thing ever and

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completely dismissable and whatever you want to do. So anything

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you'd like to comment so far.

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00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 3: Now go ahead. I'm listening. This is an area I

476
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,519
don't know a lot about.

477
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: Okay, no problem. So the problem was that by this time,

478
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so we're now well into the second half of the

479
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:38,000
twentieth century, and we have lots of Egyptologists, the methods

480
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:43,440
of translating and interpreting hieroglyphics is well established. Huge numbers

481
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,199
of fines which will be important for our facsimiles later,

482
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,880
have been discovered, Their meanings have been deciphered, that even

483
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,000
their functions, like we'll get to what a hypocephalus is,

484
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:59,039
which is like a burial pillar or something, so we

485
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:05,400
know how to translate what survived, So they can't just say, well,

486
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,480
it was all destroyed. All the relevant things were destroyed

487
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,800
in the fire. That's one of the cop outs, the

488
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,440
ones he actually had. They were destroyed in the fire.

489
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What's left these miscellaneous other things. But that's where our

490
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,559
fac similes which are in the book themselves. Right, he

491
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,920
made fac similes. He drew, drew things as exact.

492
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Speaker 3: Is I have that first image in the slide fac

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simile one. Is that what he did there?

494
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I don't know. I think it doesn't exist

495
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,039
on the sight I sent you. But what when we

496
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,320
get to it, you will see he just drew in

497
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a human head.

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Speaker 3: Now that's the very first the first image on the

499
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side that you sent, Is that the head he added?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the superimposition of his facciine onto the

501
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,559
peace of the papyrus that had missed and right, so

502
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:08,840
he didn't literally draw on the papyrus. He edited it

503
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,480
in the fact simile. And what's very funny is that

504
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:16,159
this is a very common depiction of a humor funerary rite.

505
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:21,000
And believe it or not, it's very commonly known now

506
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:25,199
that there's one god that's very commonly associated with the afterlife,

507
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,440
and that's a Nubis. So originally in these depictions, you

508
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,920
would depict a Nubis, but because the head was missing,

509
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,719
he just drew in ahead a human head.

510
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Speaker 3: So last you didn't draw Anubis, yep.

511
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,039
Speaker 2: But he didn't know that this was a common depiction.

512
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,559
It was like, like we have common depictions in the

513
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Orthodox Church, like very common icons, like the most totally

514
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,400
Theodogus with baby Jesus. Like imagine if like an icon

515
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:58,599
was damaged, so there was Yeah.

516
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Speaker 3: Somebody somebody drew in quato from total recall.

517
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, so this is a common image,

518
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,519
but it's understandable that Jesse Smith didn't know it. But

519
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at the same time that's what ends up exposing his Charlotteton.

520
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Speaker 4: Yes, a great point. So you can see here in

521
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the images. The first image is where the original supposed

522
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,159
papyrus that he has is imposed over his drawing and

523
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,880
he's added a human head. But then you'll notice that

524
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,679
this common drawing actually had in Anubis head, which he

525
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,119
didn't know.

526
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see he's got black skin like he is.

527
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,679
That's how a Nubis is depicted, which re emerges as

528
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:49,760
a problem in the third fac simile as well, because

529
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,960
guess what he thinks black skin means a man from

530
00:38:54,679 --> 00:39:00,639
a right. Slightly funnier than that, he thinks it's a slave,

531
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because hey, there's these white ones and there's the black ones,

532
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,280
so obviously the black one is a slave. But it's

533
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:11,639
just again a nupis. But again you can see it's

534
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,320
early nineteenth century American, you know, trying to figure things out,

535
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,480
trying to create a story out of here.

536
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Speaker 4: It's funny you said that because there's a very similar

537
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,639
accusation about Crowley as well, that when he was trying

538
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,599
to construct the Egyptology for his cult, because it was

539
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,920
prior to Rosetta Stone, he got all these things wrong,

540
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:35,400
and so it's not the Egyptian deity that he was,

541
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,239
you know, channeling and and speaking with, because he got

542
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,039
a lot of things wrong.

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Speaker 2: That's understandable. But again, Charlatan's are Charlatans, and there's only

544
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:51,159
so many ways you can take it right. But he

545
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:57,440
relied on the ignorance of people around him. And we

546
00:39:57,559 --> 00:39:59,880
will get to his mistakes in the content, which i

547
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,199
I think are worse than the mistakes in the process

548
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:06,079
because they go all the way down to well, it

549
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:08,679
doesn't have to mean that this was what was on

550
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,559
the papyary, because God could have used these papyri to

551
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inspire him to write this translation, which then wouldn't be

552
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,440
a translation but this book. So God gave him the

553
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:26,119
real book through fake papyri. That's one of the curbs.

554
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,639
I don't know what to do with that. You know,

555
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,760
there are simply some arguments I here, I'm starting to

556
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:42,360
doubt you. People aren't allowed to do so let's go

557
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,599
through my notes further on the problem was they turned

558
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:50,440
out to be nothing but funerary or burial Egyptian texts

559
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,239
and had nothing to do with Abraham or Joseph. The

560
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,199
oldest ones could be dated to around three hundred BC,

561
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,000
destroying any notion that they were autographic, i e. Written

562
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,920
by Abraham or Joseph themselves. The text reported to be

563
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,320
from Joseph were never translated, but were discovered to be

564
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,239
portions of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. So, just

565
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,800
to be clear, even the Egyptian Book of the Dead,

566
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,039
I think that's the fifteenth century BC, so even that's

567
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,960
too late not to mention third century BC. And then

568
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:27,800
some Mormon women on Twitter started telling me, yeah, but

569
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,719
it's not Actually there's no Book of the Dead. There's

570
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,800
a Book of Breathing. Like first of all there too,

571
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,320
and they're like the same thing, but from about a

572
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,400
millennium later. Again, just throw something out, just find a

573
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,880
cop out. They will take it because they're all so nice. Right,

574
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So that's the fruit of the spirit. Every debate. I

575
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:55,519
participated in one debate rather hilariously substituting for Andrew, and

576
00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,639
it was Jimbob and myself against two Mormons. I just

577
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,360
lost is at one point. And I don't know what

578
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,199
to do with people who will accept anything and just say,

579
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,639
we'll look at the fruits of our church, like, look

580
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,880
at how nice we are, like the families, the number

581
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,440
of children, like, okay, that's great. By the way, I'm

582
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,400
not going to say that's a bad thing. But if

583
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,559
you're going to do that on the based on lies,

584
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:28,440
I'm not going to accept that that's from God, that

585
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:30,800
you can lie people into it. And by the way,

586
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,000
there are plenty of bad things done by the Mormon

587
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:41,320
Church and Mormons Mitt Romney, but again they never accept that,

588
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,519
as you know, proving that they are wrong, but the

589
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:47,960
fact that they are nice. But we don't have Mormons

590
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,320
in Serbia, I don't think so. At least I know

591
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,000
people chase Jehovah's witnesses with like shovels and stuff. I'm

592
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:59,039
not joking about that, by the way, not even slight.

593
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Speaker 3: Well, some of the countries have banned these groups because

594
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,320
they're also used by the CIA openly. So the yes

595
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as Mormons, et cetera, are part of you know, reconnaissance, spying, espionage,

596
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,519
soft power.

597
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Speaker 2: That here is the idea that people think the literal

598
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:22,880
Satanists will eat their children. So yeah, chasing them with

599
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,280
shovels and axes and stuff, or threatening with guns. That's

600
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:33,599
all fun and games. That's properly some European religious debate. Okay,

601
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,840
So moving on, this shows that Smith was openly deceiving people,

602
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,039
pretending to translate these funerary texts into the so called

603
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,880
Book of Abraham and purely inventing the contents, including the

604
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,199
claims of multiple gods, the planet colon, and other such nonsense.

605
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:55,280
Were it legitimate, the book would have Predatedmoses and therefore

606
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,559
Genesis by centuries. Now this is important. They will claim

607
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,519
that Moses used the Book of Abraham in part as

608
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inspiration for writing Genesis because there are overlapping claims like

609
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:14,920
Genesis one and I think two are somewhat exist in

610
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:19,199
some variation, right, So he obviously didn't just copy Genesis

611
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,480
one and two into it, but he like reworded certain things,

612
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:28,280
added these indications that there are multiple gods and that

613
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,199
everything is eternal. So it's not creation ex nihilo, et cetera,

614
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,320
et cetera. But the claim is that this is you know, proof,

615
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,000
because if this is from Abraham, it predates Moses, and

616
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:42,639
look at the similarities. Therefore, Moses must have used this

617
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in his in his writing of Genesis.

618
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Speaker 3: So do that what you will.

619
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Speaker 2: Again, this is all very schizoid to me.

620
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:58,119
Speaker 3: Do you want to discuss the interpretation that he gives

621
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:03,679
to these images on this funerary papyrus versus versus? How

622
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,719
it's understood now.

623
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: We're getting into that right now, So let me read

624
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:12,320
up my my notes on this. So some images found

625
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,719
on the papyri were incomplete, and Smith produced facsimiles that

626
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,519
direct copies of them by drawing things in. One important

627
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:22,719
example is a facsimile allegedly representing a pagan priest about

628
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,760
to sacrifice Abraham, with the Angel of God's presence there

629
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,400
to stop it. However, this turned out to be a

630
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,199
pretty common depiction of Anubis, whose iconic head is missing

631
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,199
from the papyrus. Joseph Smith had and drew in a

632
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,639
human head embalming someone whose name is Whore, and the

633
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,760
angel is a representation of Or's spirit. Other item items

634
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,920
on the image were also completely made up, such as

635
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,159
the four knopic jars, the ones. Okay, basically, just this

636
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,079
is a you can open up the the fac similes

637
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,800
and we'll read from there, rather than yeah there, okay,

638
00:45:58,840 --> 00:45:59,440
I don't.

639
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:03,559
Speaker 3: See it, so you won't see it. It's on the livestream.

640
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's I'll open it up on my end.

641
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,559
So are you showing like the enumerated one, yes, the

642
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:20,639
first fac simile, right, So if you go down there,

643
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:25,119
scroll down a bit, you will see side by side

644
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,159
comparison of what Jesse Smith claimed to be in the

645
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:37,559
picture versus what what Egyptologist can say very confidently is there.

646
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,760
So would you like to read some of these or

647
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I mean I can.

648
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.

649
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,079
Speaker 4: So basically, Joseph Smith says that the number one the

650
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,119
bird there is the angel of the Lord from Genesis

651
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:55,320
and in modern egypt Egyptian interpretation from scholars, that is

652
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,239
the soul of the disease. The bar of the disease.

653
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,320
He says that this is Abraham fastened on the altar.

654
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,360
Number two modern egyptology says, no, this is the deceased

655
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named Hoor.

656
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: Number three.

657
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Speaker 4: Is the idolatrous priest of Elkanah, and it is not

658
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,079
supposed to be a Nubis, as you can see here

659
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:25,639
in the originals. Yes, number four, it says the altar

660
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:34,480
sacrifice of these idolatrous priests. The gods are Elkanah, lib Na, Machmakrah, Khorash.

661
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: And Pharaoh.

662
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 4: Yes, this is a common funeral buyer or a lion couch,

663
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,239
So it's not a as you can see, it's not

664
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an altar. It's a couch that's a lion.

665
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 2: Now, they would put them on there and start dissecting,

666
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and that's what Anubis is, you know, that's part of

667
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:55,719
his job.

668
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Speaker 4: He makes up you gods Libnam, Macmacra Kharash. They are

669
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actually the jars containing the organs of the deceased, and

670
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:17,360
they're the the sons of Horace named Kebbe, Sanuf, Duamotef

671
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Happy and m Setie.

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00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:24,199
Speaker 2: The idology, huh, I'm saying, well, don that's that's a

673
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,119
very good pronunciation.

674
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Speaker 4: Nine the idolatrous god of Pharaoh, which is the it

675
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:33,639
looks like an alligator.

676
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very hot to see anything, but yeah, that's yeah.

677
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,599
Speaker 3: Modern egyptology says that's horace.

678
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,079
Speaker 4: Number ten. This is supposed to be Abraham in Egypt. Uh,

679
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,559
which I guess is the whole the whole.

680
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Speaker 3: Image, right, so he he, I don't understand what's Abraham

681
00:48:56,199 --> 00:48:56,760
in Egypt there?

682
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,519
Speaker 2: I think it's a piece of writing there, he says,

683
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says Abraham.

684
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: Oh, I see, so the writing is supposed to say

685
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,800
Abraham in Egypt. But actually that is a libation table

686
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,079
that bears wine, oil and offerings common in Egypt. Okay,

687
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:15,199
I see it's a little table.

688
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: I see.

689
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 4: Number eleven This is design to represent the pillars of Heaven,

690
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:24,760
so the Egyptians understood it, according to Joseph Smith. But

691
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,599
rather it is actually a palace facade called a serek,

692
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:33,199
which is the pillars that you see at the bottom

693
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,559
is supposed to represent the palace.

694
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Speaker 3: It's not a it's not the pillars of heaven. And

695
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then twelve is.

696
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Speaker 4: The waters were there crocodile is swimming? It says, this

697
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,239
is just water that a crocodile swims in.

698
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: But Joseph Smith thought it was the firmament.

699
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so you can see. I think this is

700
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:05,519
a very common depiction, which is why we are so

701
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:10,599
confident in our understanding of it. It's not something isolated

702
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:15,119
and he just makes everything up so we will get

703
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:19,440
to contest. But this el kanar, libna, marmakra, korache and

704
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,079
it's just rubbish. I went to some Mormon side that

705
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:28,079
attempts to explain it. So, oh, well, you know, there

706
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,079
was like a like a like a hill near this place,

707
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,079
and if you read it upside down or something, so

708
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,800
you know, put it through like ten lenses and you

709
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,960
get something sort of similar to marmakra and then you

710
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:45,280
can back. But no, there isn't. Not to mention the

711
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:51,239
fact that Egyptians didn't practice human sacrifice, that's not well

712
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:52,199
out of their religion.

713
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 4: There are some instances of that at certain stages, but

714
00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:00,440
normally they did not. There are some there is common, yes, common,

715
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:02,480
But I do have a book a scholar that argues

716
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:06,440
that that's a misconception that it did happen, but it

717
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:07,079
wasn't common.

718
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's fair enough. Obviously, have mystery schools. I

719
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,400
think you have basically invented those more or less. But

720
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:23,320
it's not a normal part of Egyptian religious practices, and

721
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:28,760
they are pretty decently documented. That pantheon is pretty decently documented,

722
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:33,599
so we would be aware of these gods, you know

723
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,639
what they would be called. Maybe maybe you know Elkanah

724
00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:43,360
is another name for Isis or something, right, But again, nothing,

725
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,760
we just have nothing. He does, like you watch a

726
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,159
lot of films, makes up a lot of names, yeah,

727
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:54,360
but but they are not connected. We'll get to one

728
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,599
name later on and I will nerd out a bit linguistically,

729
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:03,360
but he does basically the thing. You know how in

730
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,199
every film, like aliens.

731
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: Have to have a z an X and a Y

732
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,280
and then they have a lot of these for sure.

733
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so because that's all alieny and stuff, they're like

734
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:19,719
ziclax and you know, stuff like that. So he's doing

735
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,519
the apparently the nineteenth century version of that, I mean,

736
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:28,400
Mama Crofts silence like something exactly like in at least

737
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,400
like like a fantasy opic gene or something maybe not

738
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:40,199
sci fi per se. Right, So we can go through

739
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:40,960
the other two.

740
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,679
Speaker 3: If you like. Well, the next image is showing the

741
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:52,039
other common depictions with a NuBus doing the same basic

742
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:58,239
funeral rite. So it's not a human sacrifice ritual. It's

743
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,960
a burial passage to the underworld ritual.

744
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. And this circle, as you see, this is what

745
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:12,480
we call a hypercephalus, which people meaning under and carefulos

746
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:13,920
meaning noggin.

747
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:18,159
Speaker 3: So are you talking about his magic schedule here? This

748
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:18,880
big circle?

749
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,679
Speaker 2: It's not his, that's an Egyptian practice.

750
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,639
Speaker 3: The circle is the vaccimily two.

751
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: Yes, So they're these circular things that can be made

752
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,079
of papyrus all the way up to gold if you're

753
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:35,960
rich enough. But that's going to be. Hypercephalus means like,

754
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,039
as I said, under your noggin, right if your head.

755
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,920
So it's like a pillow, and it's a type of

756
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,159
it is type of situl matric. But it's like an

757
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:49,760
amulet that's supposed to help you navigate the afterlife.

758
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: Oh, I gotcha.

759
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,559
Speaker 2: So again this is a very common thing. It's not

760
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:58,199
some some far off thing that no one has ever seen.

761
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:04,599
We have lots of these, right, would you like to

762
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:06,920
go read through them again or should.

763
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:10,119
Speaker 3: We just write? So the list has here. Joseph Smith

764
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:10,679
says that.

765
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 4: It's really hard to see, so I'm just going to

766
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,760
kind of summarize, and I'll put the link in the

767
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,199
chat if you guys want to see the details of this.

768
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 3: It's a little too much to try to expect.

769
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,519
Speaker 2: Okay, I can read it. I have the site open

770
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:31,199
so I have access to it. Just scroll through it

771
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,800
on the video so people see what we see. So

772
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,599
Jesster smith interpretation of one. Number one, which is at

773
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,480
the death center of this says, this is Colob, the

774
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:45,719
residence of God. But this is actually the god Nun

775
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:53,599
according to Egyptologists. Number two. Let's see what number two is.

776
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:58,159
This little picture above the center, so it stands next

777
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:04,079
to Colob, called by the Egyptians all blish Oliblish. But

778
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,719
this is Amon Ray, God with two faces representing the

779
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,920
rising in the setting sun. So Ray, this is amon Ra.

780
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,760
You've probably heard that pronunciation, although people have switched to

781
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,599
the proper pronunciation being Rah, and now people call him Ray.

782
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:23,679
A moon is still a moon. So number three is

783
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,400
to the right of number two and says God sitting

784
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,440
on his throne clothed with power and authority. And this

785
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:35,000
is Horace Ray riding in his boat. So this is

786
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:43,679
this combination of Horrce and Ray. Number four, this was

787
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:49,800
somewhere off. I don't know who, well, just Smith number that.

788
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,519
That's why it doesn't make any sense. So even I

789
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:54,159
can't see where number four is.

790
00:55:58,039 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 4: It's fine, like people can go look at this, and

791
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:02,800
he's kind of work through like some of the high points,

792
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,079
because there's a lot of these. It goes all the

793
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,119
way down to like twenty three. So basically it's another

794
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:10,239
situation where he just sort of renames everything that we

795
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,360
now know in modern Egyptology has nothing to do with

796
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,960
the gibbers that Joseph Smith came out with.

797
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: And if you notice, you will see a lot of

798
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:25,079
things are empty on the left side, like twelve through sixteen,

799
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,000
eighteen through twenty one, and twenty three, twenty two to

800
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:33,280
three just says, you know, no annotation given, but you

801
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,039
will see a lot of things that he didn't translate,

802
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:42,440
so Egyptologists modern Egyptologists can translate. But he just writes

803
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,519
this one little thing to encompass all of them, so

804
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,320
he misses out on a lot of these small inscriptions,

805
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:55,280
so he doesn't make up everything for everything. Some he

806
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:58,920
just sort of skips over, which you think it would

807
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,320
be important if we got something from Abraham. You wouldn't

808
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:09,119
just half asked, not if you're Joseph Smith apparently, So, yeah,

809
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,159
you have all sorts of things that are just he

810
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:16,679
makes up names all the time, including like the four deities.

811
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:22,519
But what you will see is all sorts of very

812
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:28,679
common deities of Egypt being represented. And we have number seven,

813
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:33,960
for example, the god nin and if it palic god,

814
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:37,480
that is a sexually aroused male deity. And I don't

815
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:44,840
think the you know, the patriarch Abraham was into into

816
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,400
drawing pagan deities with you know, their dogs at attention.

817
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:57,119
But yeah, so this is in the final facsimile you

818
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,440
can see. That's at the very end of the translation

819
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:06,320
of the Book of Abraham. This one is much smaller,

820
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,840
so I can read through these. So we see one

821
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,000
this is this seated figure on the throne, and Joseph

822
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,000
Smith wrote that this was Abraham sitting on Pharaoh's throne

823
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,239
by the politeness of the king, which a crown upon

824
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,679
his head, representing the priesthood as emblematic of the grand

825
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:30,519
presidency in heaven, because that's you know, they're all presidents

826
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:33,920
with the scepter of justice and judgment in his hand.

827
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:38,880
But this is Osiris writing about the figure recitations by

828
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,599
A Ciris foremost of the Western as the ataf crown

829
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:45,840
also identifies him as Osyrus. So you know, if you

830
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:48,320
have ever seen a depiction of O Cyrus, he always

831
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:53,079
has the attaph. He always has that very distinctive crown

832
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:58,159
on his head. Number two, which is this pharaoh, this pharaoh,

833
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,599
this figure to the very legs, says king Pharaoh, whose

834
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:05,280
name is given in the characters above his head. This

835
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,519
figure is a female lot writing above the figure Ice

836
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:15,760
is the great, the God's mother. So he misgendered worse

837
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,559
of all, what of all the things he did with

838
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:21,760
his deceptions and and all sorts of nonsense with women,

839
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:27,519
he misgenders deities. That's that's horrible. Number three, I.

840
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: Mean, this is obviously a woman. It's kind of.

841
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think so. But I don't know if we're

842
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,400
going to spend any time trying to make sense of

843
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:42,599
Joseph Smith, will we will. We will be here for

844
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,639
quite a while and probably go mad in the process.

845
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,440
But so the three is this little like piece of

846
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:55,000
furniture in front of a Cyrus to his right. If

847
00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:58,800
we're looking at the picture, so signifies Abraham in Egypt

848
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,679
as a given Also in ten affeximbly. Number one. That's

849
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:07,480
but this is again a libation table with wines, and

850
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:10,800
you know a common thing you would have in Egypt.

851
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:15,039
Number four is the Prince of Pharaoh, king of Egypt,

852
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,559
has written above of his head.

853
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 4: Ohbs crash, So let me bring posh spiceberker. Okay, I

854
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,239
don't know what happened, ohbs crashed.

855
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:35,719
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Okay, back, I don't know if I don't

856
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:37,840
know if I continued or you.

857
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:40,239
Speaker 3: So we were at I think we were at the

858
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,880
number four another woman.

859
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the misgendering, the second misgenderin crashed is right.

860
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,320
So this is the my art, and I wanted to

861
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,920
say my art is very important. She's also one of

862
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,760
the better known gods because of we have all sorts

863
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,840
of writings about my art and justice. This is in

864
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,840
fact also I think etymologically very tied into the word

865
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,599
justice in Hebrew. Because Hebrew is a what we call

866
01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:11,960
on Afro Semitic language. A lot of words come from Egyptian,

867
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:18,039
especially like seraph means serpent, right, and they're the throne

868
01:01:18,039 --> 01:01:22,239
guardian serpents. If you look at a throne of a pharaoh,

869
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,880
or like his headgear, it's all serpentine because it's invoking

870
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:33,199
these serpentine guardian throne guardian spirits. So we have schu

871
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,559
len In number five, one of the kings principal waiters,

872
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:41,480
as represented by the characters above his hand. So this

873
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:45,639
is this fifth person. This is a deceased individual wearing

874
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,920
the traditional cone of perfumed Greece and lotus flowers flower

875
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,119
on his head. Writing above the figure the Osiris whaw

876
01:01:54,440 --> 01:02:00,519
justified forever. And number six what I mentioned is all

877
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:04,119
in law a slave belonging to the prince, says, not

878
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:07,239
a slave. This is as guide of the dead who

879
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,559
is there to support the disease.

880
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 3: So he thought that because the character was black, that

881
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,079
it was a slave, but it's actually just a newbis.

882
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:20,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now again, you might be inclined to think that

883
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,119
this is the case because he is in early nineteenth

884
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:28,159
century America, so he would associate black skin with being

885
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:32,840
a slave. But no, apparently God just inspired him to

886
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,559
read this wrongly and name this figure a slave for

887
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,639
pretty normal contemporaneous reasoning.

888
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 3: Man, it's just so odd that anyone would believe this.

889
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:51,920
But hopefully you guys, I mean, everything's fine, right, Everything's

890
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,440
back to normal. You can hear us? Good? All right,

891
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:55,719
go ahead, Pasha, you're up.

892
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,519
Speaker 2: Okay. So that's our facts similies that ended up in

893
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:06,440
the book right again, obvious mistakes from our perspective, from

894
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,679
his perspective. Who's going to actually read this? Probably was

895
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:17,239
the thinking. But yeah, so I have some notes here

896
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,320
like this alone proves Joseph Smith to be a fraud.

897
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,599
These documents were acquired in eighteen thirty five. It was

898
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:25,360
only in eighteen twenty two that the French orientalist Jean

899
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,039
Francois Champollon created the key to interpreting hieroglyphics et cetera,

900
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:34,840
et cetera. So now that we have these things unlocked,

901
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:40,360
we're pretty good on being able to interpret what's left

902
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,800
of the papyri. But this will conclude our first half

903
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,800
of the critique, and that is the critique of the process.

904
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:49,719
Speaker 3: I want to remind everybody that you can support the

905
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,119
stream via superchats.

906
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:54,079
Speaker 4: Super jests are done through stream labs or through YouTube natively.

907
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:57,039
I will split the super chats with POSH. So if

908
01:03:57,079 --> 01:03:58,960
you'd like to support the work and the research, it's

909
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:04,199
not free, please do so by your generous super chats

910
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,159
through stream labs and I will read them here in

911
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:09,519
a moment. We got a couple before we get to

912
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:14,280
this next part. Here, an Athanacious says for seven, thank

913
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:19,199
you so much for defending orthodoxy and debunking heterodox clowns.

914
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Athanasia. Appreciate that DC woodworking.

915
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: Posh.

916
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:25,199
Speaker 3: Where have you been.

917
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:30,639
Speaker 2: I've been working for the Crucible, and I want to

918
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,920
do more streams on geopolitics. But I always give it

919
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,480
like five to six days, and there has not been

920
01:04:37,519 --> 01:04:41,360
five to six days without a monumental, well changing event

921
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,559
in the last two years. I think, so. I never

922
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,239
it always would result in a hot take, and by

923
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,320
the time I process things, you know that now there's

924
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:50,800
an event.

925
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like things are happening to fairst.

926
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a site on the news cycle is measured

927
01:04:57,679 --> 01:05:00,760
in minutes. I think I Other than that, I do

928
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:07,280
plan a big stream on dispensationalism, but because I've really

929
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,960
gathered a lot of things to try and create a package,

930
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:13,480
like I can't do what you do, which is a

931
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:17,679
lot of research on like the background figures and everyone involved.

932
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,119
That's a skill set I have not acquired, and I'm

933
01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:27,719
just happy to crib your but I but you know,

934
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,519
I always go on Twitter just to throw out Recently

935
01:05:31,519 --> 01:05:36,000
I've started asking everyone, you know what maybe I shouldn't

936
01:05:36,039 --> 01:05:40,199
talk about. I don't know how comfortable you are with

937
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:45,360
the topic itself being on YouTube, But as just say,

938
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I've been testing out some arguments because no one apparently

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knows what's the difference between pagan sacrifices and biblical sacrifices.

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Why in Isaiah eight one I mentioned always one eighteen

941
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because it used the word judge, like judge the fatherless,

942
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And I keep trying to say, do you think that

943
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means they're going, look at us fatherless guy over there. No,

944
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that's not what judge means. And that's not what judge

945
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judge not less you be judged means. But the first

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chapter of Isaiah, God keeps saying I'm full of your sacrifices.

947
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But he says, stop them, like if they're an abomination

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to me, if your heart's not in it. Right in

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the pagan world, if your God is unhappy, you ramp

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up the sacrifices in quantity and quality, right. But God,

951
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,719
the God of the Bible, he doesn't care about it.

952
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Like you mentioned fifty one. He says, you know, a

953
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humble and contrite heart is what God wants, and you

954
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know in the Old Testament, sacrifices a part of it.

955
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But all of this is I'll just go ranting on

956
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for an hour if you just let me say.

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Speaker 3: All right, no one says far If you'd like a

958
01:06:56,199 --> 01:07:00,440
good cross examination of Mormon history, the channel Dan Votel

959
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on YouTube as many good dget videos.

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Speaker 4: I mentioned this content to Jim Bob no One. Dan

961
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Vogel has books on the Book of Abraham as well.

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Counterdocks five dollars. They're revising all of their history because

963
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new Mormon apologists want to reinterpret the Church fathers as

964
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now Mormons, and this is a new form of Mormon apologetics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is a standard deception. I mean

966
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so dom that really it only dupes other dumb people. So,

967
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:29,800
Schim Ebert ten dollars. Do you think the Left Behind

968
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,119
series was a psyop? Well, I mean to a degree

969
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in that it was promoted by the establishment. And you

970
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know Tim Lahay, you know, is a participant in this,

971
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you know, evangelical zioe worship phenomenon. To what degree he

972
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was personally given money to push this, It's hard to say.

973
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I don't know.

974
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Speaker 4: That, but I would not be surprised allegedly, that's my opinion.

975
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And Schimabhert says, so many of us grew up where

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Protestant Bible studies use this as a book to justify

977
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their belief you exactly, I grew up with the same stuff.

978
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They also have a lens for is of Jesus to

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read into the text of Revelation. Absolutely, that's what we

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covered earlier today. Over Lord ten dollars. I'm an ex Mormon.

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In the morning leadership tells the members not to look

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at any information outside of that church, and because that

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of that, it is a cult.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I've had many debates discussions with you know, Mormon missionaries

986
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walking around and my first encounter with Mormon missionaries twenty

987
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years ago.

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Speaker 2: I or more.

989
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Speaker 4: I remember saying, I'll watch you guys's Mormon propaganda video

990
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if you guys will come over and watch a Mormon

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critique video with me. And they had to ask their

992
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higher ups, and the higher ups told them no, they

993
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couldn't watch them.

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01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 2: Not worth it. Well, you know, as I said, I

995
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participated in one of these debates just by substituting for Andrew.

996
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But I've also talked to a lot of about this

997
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with Jimbob because he had he's had multiple and it's

998
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:08,399
so fun. The first debate was Andrew against some guy

999
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,279
who's really a nice guy. I think he's some type

1000
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of chaplain. Obviously in America you can't have a single

1001
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:21,119
faith chaplain, but whatever the case, like really a decent guy.

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And I said to Andrew prior to the debate, listen

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what he will do. He will expect you to either

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01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:31,000
watch the cartoon that you and Jimbob reviewed at least once,

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01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:36,600
if not multiple times. Or secondly, he'll expect like you

1006
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watched the episode of South Park the dumb dum dum

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dum dun So. Yeah, and I brought him all of

1008
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,920
these arguments that were completely from their own scriptures and

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01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:57,600
he was just left their bewildered. But they're so unprepared.

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01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,119
They just expect you to talk about them magic and

1011
01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:07,079
maybe mentioned colab and how you know the Native Americans

1012
01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:09,039
are cursed for a dollar. Try they used to be

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01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:14,920
white quite if you will. So they expect these very

1014
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:18,880
they're low hanging fruit, like they are still correct, but

1015
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they want to say that this is just low hanging fruit,

1016
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and you don't actually read it and et cetera, et cetera.

1017
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,439
But but it's very very poor apologetics on there, and

1018
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,600
it's mostly just well, you know, I believe the Spirit

1019
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:35,079
speaks to me, and that's what they told Jimbob last

1020
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:37,880
time and the time before that, and the time Jimbob

1021
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,520
and I were debating, so you know, it's it's it's nuts.

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01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so the next couple of react, We've got

1023
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No One two dollars. No, he did that? Excuse me,

1024
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,359
Lori Costello ten dollars. I hope these people will leave

1025
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:52,439
all this Mormon stuff.

1026
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Speaker 4: Well, Mormons are making a massive propaganda push everywhere, especially

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01:10:57,039 --> 01:11:00,600
on the Internet, in the last couple of years. So hopefully, yeah,

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01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,359
we can, with God's grace, you know, help people leave

1029
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:04,600
this this nonsense.

1030
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Speaker 3: JB.

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01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 4: Peltier, This Paul guy freaking rules the apostles moral artist.

1032
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Speaker 3: Five dollars. What is the etymology of the word Mormon?

1033
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,279
Good question. What does the actual word refer to?

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01:11:22,119 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 2: But now you've got me stumped. So there is I

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believe an angel?

1036
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we know about my own eye. But yeah, Ormond,

1037
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:35,479
let's see what we get.

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Speaker 2: So it derives from the Book of Movement.

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Speaker 3: Nice job, Uh, it's probably within the book. Maybe is

1040
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,039
there something within the book?

1041
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:06,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called the Book of Mormon, so so right,

1042
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:10,039
and there there's constituent books you'll nephies and et cetera.

1043
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,680
But I think it's just like a self contained word.

1044
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There's no etymology.

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Speaker 3: Uhre's here's a Mormon website claiming that the word means

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more good.

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Speaker 2: Is mon short for money.

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01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm not kidding that this is this is what this

1049
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Mormon website church news.

1050
01:12:34,079 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 2: I've seen enough Mormon etymology. That's why I gave up

1051
01:12:39,079 --> 01:12:46,560
at some point. There's he keeps ending aya to like names,

1052
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:50,880
so a right, depending on the word like Isaiah and

1053
01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:55,880
Jeremiah pronounced differently in English, but it's the same ending.

1054
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,720
So she has like mosaica, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's like you know what gibberish more good

1056
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:10,479
or yeah, LORI, let's you know you did that randall

1057
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,279
five dollars randal seven. How can I have a thoughtful

1058
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:16,279
conversation with the LDS missionaries if they don't know that

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01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:19,600
the king fall At discourse teaches that God was once

1060
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,479
a man. I mean, if they're not willing to go

1061
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,279
look it up, then you're not going to be able

1062
01:13:24,319 --> 01:13:25,680
to say anything to them.

1063
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,520
Speaker 3: I mean, if a person's mind is closed, they're not

1064
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,079
going to care.

1065
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 4: So you know, if you can, I think detect pretty easily.

1066
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,479
If somebody is open to questioning things, and people that

1067
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,199
are not open open to questioning, you might as well

1068
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:42,640
just move on.

1069
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 2: Yes, as Orthodox, we should be very much aware like

1070
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:51,920
our idea of theosis. More consequently, we have the idea

1071
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,880
of demonosis. As father Stephen de Young, I'm still pushing

1072
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,000
that term because it's a pretty good term. You either

1073
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,199
synered eyes with God or with demons, and that transforms you.

1074
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,239
But at the same time, if you have a family life,

1075
01:14:06,319 --> 01:14:09,159
that will transform you. And these people are usually very

1076
01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:13,880
deep in these groups, and I seriously doubt every moment

1077
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,079
you know, once they close the door and go from

1078
01:14:16,119 --> 01:14:19,239
a happy pace to start beating their children, you know,

1079
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,880
with a stick. Right. So if you're very deep into

1080
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,680
a community and you're a very small minority, obviously maybe

1081
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,399
in until you have majorities and stuff, but nationwide you're

1082
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:39,920
very you know, self enclosed and self sufficient, so you

1083
01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:44,239
don't want to leave. So you're emotionally and spiritually connected

1084
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:47,119
to this. So you have to understand it's not just

1085
01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:51,479
that people are stupid, because this is just what we've

1086
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,520
covered so far, is so full of nonsense, very easily

1087
01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:01,840
provable nonsense, and they will keep making things up. And

1088
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:05,039
I think it's like a battered wife syndrome or something.

1089
01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:09,199
Speaker 4: All right, let's move on to the next section there.

1090
01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:11,239
For those that are curious, you can follow Pash right

1091
01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:13,560
here on X at the parsh redneck.

1092
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Speaker 2: Thank you, So I will read the header for the

1093
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,640
Book of Abraham in the Pearl Grade Price says a

1094
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,840
translation of some ancient records that have fallen into our

1095
01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:30,520
hands from the catacombs of Egypt, purporting to be the

1096
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,119
writings of Abraham while he was in Egypt. Call the

1097
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:40,079
Book of Abraham written by his own hand upompapyrus. Now,

1098
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:45,279
maybe this doesn't jump out at people immediately, but what

1099
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:47,039
do you think is already a mistake? Here?

1100
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:49,119
Speaker 3: Say it again.

1101
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: So this may not jump out to people as it

1102
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,399
did to me, But do you already notice a mistake

1103
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,279
of having a Book of Abraham while Abraham was in Egypt?

1104
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,239
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's something obvious. What is it?

1105
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,319
Speaker 2: He doesn't get the name Abraham until after he leaves.

1106
01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:13,239
Speaker 3: Oh, Abram versus Abraham.

1107
01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:15,399
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so he would have been Abraham at this

1108
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:18,000
point in Genesis twelve when they're and I think it's

1109
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:24,760
in Genesis seventeen Versus five and fifteen where Abram becomes

1110
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,279
Abraham and Sarai becomes Sarah. He goes from the Great

1111
01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:31,439
Father to the Father of nations. She goes from my

1112
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:38,680
princess to princess. Right. Now, here's the thing. Sarah is

1113
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,720
mentioned in the Book of Abram, but she is SARAHI

1114
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:46,960
in the Book of Abraham. So I don't know what

1115
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:51,600
to do with that fact, because the point where Abraham

1116
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:57,359
is Abraham but Sarah is Sarai is just between the

1117
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,880
verses in between Genesis five and Genesis.

1118
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:03,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. But obviously the sun gets its light from colobs all.

1119
01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:05,159
None of this matters.

1120
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:11,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm so confused, like either they should both

1121
01:17:11,159 --> 01:17:13,880
be with their own names or the new names. But

1122
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:19,279
Abraham gets his new name anachronistically, but Sarah Sarah Sarai keeps.

1123
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,319
Speaker 3: Those are texts are all corrupted.

1124
01:17:21,399 --> 01:17:24,399
Speaker 4: So you can just do the Muslim thing where you say, well, here,

1125
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,159
since it's a problem with my system, then the Bible's

1126
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:30,000
corrupted and everywhere else that backs up my system.

1127
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,079
Speaker 3: The Bible's true and good, and I use it as

1128
01:17:32,119 --> 01:17:34,479
a source world wide. Eighteen seventy three five dollars, Jay,

1129
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,640
I only have a Greek church near me? Is that okay?

1130
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,399
Speaker 4: Should we be worried about this some new to orthodoxy? No,

1131
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,000
you don't have to worry about that until there's an

1132
01:17:43,079 --> 01:17:49,359
actual excommunication. Yeah, yeah, Rip says for two dollars, here's

1133
01:17:49,359 --> 01:17:51,359
two dollars. It's the GDP of all Serbia.

1134
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:57,039
Speaker 2: Ooh, the amount of law Jim, Bob and Andrew have

1135
01:17:57,159 --> 01:18:02,720
created about Serbia is is outstanding too. It's so fun,

1136
01:18:03,039 --> 01:18:05,239
like eating salted weasel for Christmas.

1137
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard you.

1138
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 2: Guys.

1139
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 4: Also then take the weasel pelt and you actually brew

1140
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,319
some kind of beer from that pelt.

1141
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 3: Correct.

1142
01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love that. But yeah, I appreciate doubling

1143
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:30,640
our GDP. Rip. I know who he is. So, as

1144
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,399
I said, so we have this discrepancy. As you said,

1145
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:36,239
the only thing you can do is say somehow corruption.

1146
01:18:36,399 --> 01:18:40,680
But again, it would be slightly more defensible if they

1147
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,880
were either both pre or post rename.

1148
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,319
Speaker 4: Now, didn't Abraham at one point go to Serbia? Is

1149
01:18:47,399 --> 01:18:53,199
that part of the He was a sub Actually everyone

1150
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:57,159
was until you know, the Great fall when.

1151
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 3: Well that everybody has this out of Africa theory, but

1152
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,920
we all know that our origins are all actually Serbia.

1153
01:19:03,399 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: Yes, near the Daniel, we actually have some of the

1154
01:19:06,039 --> 01:19:11,760
oldest geological and archaeological finds that is actually true, like

1155
01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:19,680
the venture culture near Belgrade and near me I think

1156
01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:22,880
near where I live, I think we found like the

1157
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,119
oldest archery ring.

1158
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 4: Do you have any megalists that you could say or

1159
01:19:27,039 --> 01:19:32,239
naphelim ufo experimentation sites to create serbs.

1160
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 2: And no, because we absorb them all. We just absorbed

1161
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:44,119
their powers. That's why we're also tall and we get

1162
01:19:44,199 --> 01:19:47,920
deep voices and stuff. No, you have to go to

1163
01:19:48,039 --> 01:19:50,640
Bosnia for the pyramids and stuff. If you're aware of that,

1164
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,039
that that that's a funny fun one together.

1165
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 3: So you've got the Google says you have Lipinsky Veer,

1166
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,640
a mesolithic Neolithic settlement. That's not a megalith though.

1167
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: No, as I said, we we we we we we

1168
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are very good at hiding like our past. We don't

1169
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:13,680
want to boast too much like about we we My

1170
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:18,720
bishopric is centered in the birthplace of Emperor Constantine. You

1171
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,880
know where we're We're too too big to fail.

1172
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:30,560
Speaker 4: Here's a website for some weird website called the Megalith Portal,

1173
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:34,439
and it looks like an old GeoCities website and they've

1174
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,239
got a bunch of pictures of pots and buildings. So

1175
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,119
this guy's arguing that you do have megaliths.

1176
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm not aware of megaliths per se, but again, lots

1177
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:52,399
of archaeology. So we had problems that there was this

1178
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,760
there's this hill in the middle of my home city

1179
01:20:55,319 --> 01:20:58,920
and they wanted to put up you know, lamps around,

1180
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:02,640
like the track that goes around people that often go

1181
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:08,359
running there, and it was so jep buildings.

1182
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I'm trying, I'm

1183
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:13,640
trying to refute you in in all fun, but it

1184
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,039
looks like you're right. None of these are actually megaliths,

1185
01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:17,600
are just archaeology sites.

1186
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 2: Well, there is a mountain called stall st O L

1187
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,439
which is pretty flat at the top, so maybe that

1188
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,119
was that's a remnant of something.

1189
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 3: Me too, says ask Posh about Jovanka Joelic.

1190
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: Jovanka. What's the surname.

1191
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 3: Yelick Jeelic, Yelick j o L.

1192
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 2: Not sure, let me look it up.

1193
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,399
Speaker 3: That's okay, I mean, we got a.

1194
01:21:52,359 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, we're asking it.

1195
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 3: It's basically Mila Joviovic. So how's that?

1196
01:21:57,079 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 2: Let's see No, no, so I couldn't connect her name

1197
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,520
and her face. So there's this woman who claims like

1198
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:11,359
everyone's claims, okay, and she goes on like our conspiracy

1199
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,680
podcast networks and she's just like a regular woman and

1200
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,760
she just keeps spouting things about UFOs and what.

1201
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 3: Crazy woman? Now is Milo Joovic Serbian?

1202
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:29,399
Speaker 2: I think half I think on her father side, which

1203
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,199
explains the surname. But I think she's half Italian or something.

1204
01:22:34,079 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 3: All right, So getting back down, I'm sorry.

1205
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 4: We're having fun, which is fine, We're getting back to

1206
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,319
the problems here. What is this section here called the

1207
01:22:44,319 --> 01:22:46,800
philosophy of a Future State? Is that where we're at,

1208
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,279
where we're at light of colo future state?

1209
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 3: What's next?

1210
01:22:51,079 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 2: So you can ignore the rest of these from the

1211
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,119
website I sent you with the facsimiles, right, that's where

1212
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:03,399
we are. Yeah, So the rest of the material there

1213
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,800
isn't very heavy. Will go off of the notes I have.

1214
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,279
So one is we already went through like it's an

1215
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:14,439
achronistic for Abraham to be called Abraham while he is

1216
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:19,760
in Egypt. But there is then also a problem if

1217
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:24,760
this was written by Abraham himself. The book starts within

1218
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,239
the land of the Chaldeans at the residence of my

1219
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:31,439
father I Abraham, And apparently he never says I without

1220
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:36,640
adding Abraham, because that's how people write, right, saw that

1221
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,439
it was needful for me to obtain another place of residents,

1222
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:45,439
et cetera, et cetera. Here's the problem. The Kaladeans won't

1223
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:52,359
inhabit that place for at least fourteen hundred years. There

1224
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:57,439
are obviously some variations on dating when exactly Abraham was around,

1225
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,159
but if we go with two thousand years like BC,

1226
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,119
we're about twelve hundred years from Caldians.

1227
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,359
Speaker 3: Now I mentioned this too, but also I mean, that's

1228
01:24:09,399 --> 01:24:16,359
a great historical blunder. But I mean ancient texts citing

1229
01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:17,119
the king James.

1230
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:23,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah, So he goes by ear

1231
01:24:23,279 --> 01:24:27,920
of Chaldeans or Caldians. Right now, this would be known

1232
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:33,880
as such only after they would settle there, right, the Kaladians,

1233
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,119
who will return later on to give us some pretty

1234
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:40,039
funny etymology. But you know, we have things in the

1235
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:45,199
Bible where place names get updated, like these toponyms. So Dan,

1236
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,319
there are manuscripts out of the Bible which say Dan,

1237
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:54,039
which is now Heliopolis. Obviously that name change would not

1238
01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:59,000
occur until after the Greeks conquered the place with Alexandria

1239
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,800
and conquests, so it doesn't change anything. And there are

1240
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,000
things in the Bible that get updated over time. So

1241
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:11,479
Moses didn't speak what we know as Biblical Hebrew. He

1242
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:14,279
would have spoken an earlier version of it that is

1243
01:25:14,399 --> 01:25:20,279
called Paleo Hebrew, and we have now I only dabble

1244
01:25:20,359 --> 01:25:23,600
with Hebrew. I focus much much more on Indo European language,

1245
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:33,640
and specifically European languages. But we we have like works

1246
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,399
like the Song of the Scene, which is very very

1247
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,760
archaic in its construct So that is the least change

1248
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,439
run because poetry tends to remain pretty stagnant in its form,

1249
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,359
very difficult to translate, very difficult to update and maintain

1250
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:54,399
its structure and stuff, unlike pros or just regular records.

1251
01:25:55,319 --> 01:25:59,720
So I've heard from people who are experts in some

1252
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:04,560
languages and ancient Middle Eastern languages who say, yeah, we

1253
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,159
have these pieces like the Song of the Sea, which

1254
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:11,000
are exceedingly difficult to translate, even if your your Biblical

1255
01:26:11,079 --> 01:26:16,119
Hebrew is excellent. So obviously these things get updated over time,

1256
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:21,239
and we are left with certain holders like mentioning Caldes,

1257
01:26:21,279 --> 01:26:26,039
even though again they would be after Moses himself. But

1258
01:26:27,159 --> 01:26:31,640
if we were, if we have records of Abraham himself,

1259
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:36,239
why would he speak of the Kaldeans or the Kaldese

1260
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,439
more than a millennium before they would inhabit the land

1261
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:44,439
and he claims to be from that land. Right, So

1262
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,279
we have just gone through the title header and the

1263
01:26:48,359 --> 01:26:52,119
first sentence, and this is where we are with massive

1264
01:26:52,359 --> 01:26:53,560
historical mistakes.

1265
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:59,079
Speaker 3: We've got to move a little bit quicker. Okay, what's

1266
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:02,439
next in terms of we've got the anachronisms here with

1267
01:27:04,319 --> 01:27:06,279
you know, Chaldeans. What's next?

1268
01:27:07,279 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 2: Okay? Obviously we have a Kna Lebnar, Mamacran, Korash nowhere

1269
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,159
to be found. Now here's one. Pharaoh is mentioned as

1270
01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:19,239
a proper noun, the name of the first ruler of Egypt.

1271
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,319
This is nonsense, not to mention that the rulers of

1272
01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:25,439
Egypt didn't really use the title pharaoh, which means the

1273
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:29,119
great house after the royal palace. It was an epithet

1274
01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:32,479
of honor, first used in the eighteenth dynasty, starting from

1275
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,960
the mid sixteenth century BC, so even if it were

1276
01:27:36,039 --> 01:27:39,520
a title, it would be centuries after Abraham. He's also

1277
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,800
seen as a god, but not as the god king,

1278
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,880
but like a regular one, which is strange in multiple ways.

1279
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:51,319
So Pharaoh is said to be this first ruler, was

1280
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:55,359
just and righteous in all of that. I'm seeing a

1281
01:27:55,399 --> 01:27:59,039
discontinuity between that and like having priests of Pharaoh. Like

1282
01:27:59,359 --> 01:28:04,319
we looked at the facsimiles earlier. But as I mentioned

1283
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:08,640
in my note that like the Egyptian kings didn't call

1284
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,119
themselves pharaohs. We call them pharaohs because of the Bible, right,

1285
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:15,239
because the Bible calls them that. But that is the

1286
01:28:15,359 --> 01:28:19,920
name of the royal palace, and it was used from

1287
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:25,359
the sixteenth century, not even consistently up until much later.

1288
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,880
So again in anachronism, because he saw the word pharaoh

1289
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,840
and wanted to do something with it.

1290
01:28:33,319 --> 01:28:36,600
Speaker 3: And what he did was is this where they come up?

1291
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:41,039
The Mormons had this made up idea of reformed Egyptian, Yes.

1292
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: Which no Egyptologist knows what it is. So it's just

1293
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,399
performed Egyptian. What is it? What time period? Can we

1294
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:56,840
get anything? Nope? Just trust me, Bro. So that's because

1295
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,359
we're moving on now. I want to go through this

1296
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,199
fun little part and we will be using a whiteboard.

1297
01:29:05,039 --> 01:29:08,359
Because Egypt is alleged to have been discovered by a woman,

1298
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:13,399
daughter of Egyptus, who was a daughter of Ham. The

1299
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:20,880
name is said to be Chaldean forbidden. Now here's the thing.

1300
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,560
First of all, we have the language of the Kaladeans, which,

1301
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,640
as we said, not really a thing, especially not at

1302
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:32,840
that point, but it says it's Egyptus. So what we

1303
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:35,960
have him doing is basically trying to create like a

1304
01:29:36,039 --> 01:29:42,319
fake Latin word, and he writes it as a ship

1305
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:48,399
tests so just smacks an oose at the end of

1306
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:53,000
Egypt and his or her I can't remember anymore daughter

1307
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:58,239
or discovers the land, and it means forbidden in Egypt

1308
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:04,199
in a Chaldean. Here's the problem Egypt. The name itself

1309
01:30:04,359 --> 01:30:09,079
is Greek Egyptos, right, which means I think that what

1310
01:30:09,359 --> 01:30:14,000
was the gate of Tar or something? Right? I write

1311
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:32,560
the Greek one us. Okay, Now, what the Romans did

1312
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,680
was they took this name. There are alternative etymologies, but

1313
01:30:37,119 --> 01:30:39,520
one thing we know about the ancient Greeks is their

1314
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:44,600
etymologies are not exactly reliable. But apparently this is like

1315
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,479
the House of Tar or the Gate of Tar, because

1316
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:51,399
there was a big temple of tar and the border.

1317
01:30:51,479 --> 01:31:01,039
But what the Romans did, Yeah, trus is this so

1318
01:31:01,279 --> 01:31:04,640
this is how you would write it in Latin. So

1319
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:09,399
he didn't even get the Latin one correctly. He got

1320
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,119
the etymology incorrect because he said, first of all a

1321
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:15,520
language that he would not have even heard of in

1322
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:21,520
his day, treated it as a fake Latin word, and

1323
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,439
translated it in a way that makes no sense.

1324
01:31:25,159 --> 01:31:28,279
Speaker 3: The chat is said, the chat is fixated on Serbian

1325
01:31:28,359 --> 01:31:30,359
four K equals one for four P.

1326
01:31:33,239 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 2: There's a joke that if you want to watch Slavic videos,

1327
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:37,760
you have to go with one forty four P. That's

1328
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,600
the true Slavic experience.

1329
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 3: That you guys actually in your eyes see things at one.

1330
01:31:45,399 --> 01:31:49,119
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, as you see, I'm wearing spectacles now,

1331
01:31:49,399 --> 01:31:53,960
and that's because I have astigmatism. And that's my orthodox

1332
01:31:54,159 --> 01:32:01,119
protest against the schemata. Okay, so it's a stigmataismology I get.

1333
01:32:02,399 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, IQ, we got like one hundred and fifty

1334
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,960
IQ word jokes being played here, and the audience is

1335
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,720
over here trying to figure out, like what bitcoin is

1336
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:12,520
like we got.

1337
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:17,279
Speaker 2: IQ like my count.

1338
01:32:19,039 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 4: Your IQ is your pixel definition exactly one exact word, guys.

1339
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:28,960
Remember As a side note, yes, because bitcoin has dipped significantly.

1340
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1347
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which they didn't used to do.

1348
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Speaker 2: That.

1349
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 3: You can now sell if you need to.

1350
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 4: But hey, discount prices today and this is the time

1351
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:02,479
when smart money he goes all in. I'm not telling

1352
01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:06,079
you what to do because I'm not your register financial advisor,

1353
01:33:06,119 --> 01:33:08,960
but we have a significant dip, so it's a good time.

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1356
01:33:18,319 --> 01:33:21,319
I'm happy to see Posh back. It gives me great

1357
01:33:21,399 --> 01:33:28,239
joy to watch how he skins his weezl weight. It's

1358
01:33:28,279 --> 01:33:33,079
great joy because of the weasel skinning shack that he

1359
01:33:33,159 --> 01:33:36,199
has in Serbia. Okay, he makes beautiful tiny winter socks

1360
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:37,800
for all the goats.

1361
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,279
Speaker 3: At his village.

1362
01:33:39,159 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 4: Yes, and actually, for those that don't know, the weasels

1363
01:33:42,399 --> 01:33:47,079
they actually run inside little motors or hamster wheels, and

1364
01:33:47,159 --> 01:33:51,960
the weasels power the dial up AOL Internet. And I

1365
01:33:52,039 --> 01:33:56,279
know that only because it's the same setup that Tristan

1366
01:33:56,359 --> 01:34:00,279
has down in Ecuador. It's the same setup for it's

1367
01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:05,000
not called dial up, it's actually called roll up because

1368
01:34:05,079 --> 01:34:07,760
they have to they have to roll the Internet in

1369
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:12,479
those hamster wheels, weasel wheels and so. But then when

1370
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,800
the weasels die because they get heart attacks a lot

1371
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,079
of time, Posh can actually skin them and brew a

1372
01:34:18,319 --> 01:34:22,680
local I p A from those weasel skins.

1373
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 3: So thank you for that.

1374
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:29,119
Speaker 2: I'd appreciate if you stopped, you know, leaking the Serbo

1375
01:34:29,319 --> 01:34:36,279
Ecuadorian power generation secrets. Other than that, yeah, like we

1376
01:34:36,359 --> 01:34:40,279
are very We're very much into we are now very

1377
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:44,920
conservative in terms of the environment. Just to go against

1378
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,840
Bill Gates. So now I like it. I like it. Yes,

1379
01:34:50,199 --> 01:34:52,720
whatever Bill Gates says we do, we do the opposite.

1380
01:34:53,319 --> 01:34:57,279
Speaker 4: You guys do produce beautiful women out of this out

1381
01:34:57,279 --> 01:34:59,800
of these uh you know, village operations. I don't know

1382
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,760
how do it, But you guys do produce some babes there.

1383
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:04,319
Speaker 3: Thank you guys.

1384
01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 4: Welcome everybody from the Crucible. Shout out to Jimbob, Shout

1385
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:12,159
out to Injuring the Crucible. Let's see no one says

1386
01:35:12,199 --> 01:35:15,680
for two dollars, actually Mormon is a profit listed in

1387
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:17,760
the Book of Mormon. I don't know why that wasn't

1388
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,159
coming up on the websites, but thank you for that.

1389
01:35:21,359 --> 01:35:24,640
And shout out to all the weasels powering that dial

1390
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:26,439
up internet that Pasha's.

1391
01:35:26,039 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 3: Got over there in Serbia. Now where are we at?

1392
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 4: Let's see apologize. I keep getting distracted by all these

1393
01:35:34,039 --> 01:35:35,720
awesome Serbian lord.

1394
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:41,199
Speaker 2: Were talking about the name for Egypt, so again this

1395
01:35:41,359 --> 01:35:43,880
tickled my brain. You know, I know Latin and Greek,

1396
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,479
so this really just jumped out at me. Had me

1397
01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:54,520
a hollering in terms of laughter. But additional information for

1398
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:58,680
people interested. So Egyptians would have called the lamb keem it,

1399
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:03,359
which means the black land, and no not the kangs

1400
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:07,399
type of black, but just like fertile soil around the

1401
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:13,319
rever nile. And as far as what people like the

1402
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:18,079
Chaldeans or anyone, so Abraham would have spoken obviously something

1403
01:36:19,119 --> 01:36:24,479
some type of Acadian right, and in these lands, including

1404
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:30,039
like every Semitic language, it is some variation of misro

1405
01:36:30,319 --> 01:36:36,520
mesiro missiro, which means the borderlands of frontier right for

1406
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:40,840
those of you who don't know, like the Arabs like

1407
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:46,640
they call them misro, I think right. Semitic languages are

1408
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:49,439
very rigid in terms of their consonants, so they're very

1409
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:55,119
very easy to understand amongst each other, like European languages

1410
01:36:55,319 --> 01:37:01,760
just scatter into a million different variations. But you know

1411
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:10,960
the song from Polp fiction, that's a Greek song called

1412
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:16,439
meaning like the Egyptian girl, Egyptian woman, whatever, So you

1413
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:22,680
can look that up. M I s I h are.

1414
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:25,119
Speaker 3: L o u.

1415
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 2: That's how you would spell it. It's a lot slower

1416
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:29,920
than the film.

1417
01:37:30,199 --> 01:37:33,319
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, check out, check out this babe right here, Like,

1418
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:36,960
I don't know what you're talking about. But I'm over

1419
01:37:37,039 --> 01:37:40,439
here looking up the women that Serbia produces.

1420
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 2: I can't see the screw.

1421
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,239
Speaker 4: I'm starting to think that maybe maybe the Weasels have

1422
01:37:46,359 --> 01:37:49,760
taken over because I'm over here thinking about Okay, you

1423
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,960
guys made a Meala Djovavic or two, and now I'm

1424
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,439
saying like I don't know, like, what's the women in

1425
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:57,359
your in your village?

1426
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:58,319
Speaker 2: Like is it? Is it?

1427
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,239
Speaker 3: Mila Djoviovic's are got weasels? What's where we at here?

1428
01:38:02,399 --> 01:38:03,920
Because that's what matters right now.

1429
01:38:05,079 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of them are taller than me and

1430
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,640
I'm six foot one, so not how are they? Why

1431
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:09,920
are they?

1432
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 3: Is that the n thing that we're talking about earlier?

1433
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's what I'm thinking. We have like this

1434
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:25,279
girl at the gym legitimately six foot five, but yeah,

1435
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:32,920
so very tall and we'll stab you. But oh yeah,

1436
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:37,279
Eastern European women great looks. Do you know? Doctor?

1437
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:42,199
Speaker 3: I'm about to post my Olga Ravasi doctor Olga Ravasi interview.

1438
01:38:42,359 --> 01:38:44,760
Did you do you know her? She seems a little intimidating.

1439
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,319
She could probably take you out as she had to.

1440
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm aware of that. I've you know, given up. Okay,

1441
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:54,039
I will make it.

1442
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 3: Let's be honest.

1443
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,680
Speaker 4: Have you experienced domestic spousal abuse from the Serbian women

1444
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:02,199
that have that's what we're concerned about.

1445
01:39:03,319 --> 01:39:06,359
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know it was. I was going to

1446
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:11,359
get emotional. Well, the men, we are always so drunk,

1447
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,119
we don't feel pain, so yeah, they beat us, but

1448
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:20,079
it never works, so they get to let out some steam.

1449
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:24,199
We can absorb it fairly easily because we're all built

1450
01:39:24,279 --> 01:39:25,760
like Urkhai. Apparently.

1451
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:28,359
Speaker 4: Okay, well, Mud says, for five dollars, the women in

1452
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:33,600
Pasha's village don't have a beard, unlike the village next door,

1453
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:34,479
so it's a plus.

1454
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:35,119
Speaker 3: So that's good.

1455
01:39:36,279 --> 01:39:41,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say I have a bear. I respect

1456
01:39:41,159 --> 01:39:45,159
all my masculinity points into the voice. So that's the

1457
01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:48,479
choice I made, and I am left looking like a mongolia.

1458
01:39:50,199 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 4: Mud says again, Serbo Ecuadorian power structure sounds like a

1459
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:55,520
finish metal band.

1460
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:59,079
Speaker 3: It is a finished metal band, in fact, and they

1461
01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:03,119
only lies stre their concerts in one on a weasel

1462
01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:03,600
dial up.

1463
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah that and again the cleanest form of energy. Maybe

1464
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,720
maybe you know we're so tall because we don't get

1465
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:14,840
like the five G radiation and the rest of like

1466
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,760
the power generation radiation that you get because it's so natural.

1467
01:40:19,239 --> 01:40:21,279
Speaker 3: I like how this is just totally turned into like

1468
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,640
comedy hour, which is fine because that's what I love

1469
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:23,840
to do.

1470
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 2: People asked you when you were going to get funny.

1471
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:32,680
Speaker 4: Dean says, Posh, we need updates on whether you have

1472
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,239
decided to like peanut butter.

1473
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:43,159
Speaker 2: I don't like it. It's I feel like I'm eating

1474
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:51,079
like like plaster or something. Yeah, it just sticks to

1475
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:55,359
the top of your mouth and stuff like why I

1476
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,079
always wondered why you would eat like that with jam,

1477
01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:00,359
Like in Serbia, we don't really mix wheat and sour.

1478
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,319
Speaker 3: Well, I don't like peanut butter with jam. I agree

1479
01:41:03,359 --> 01:41:07,359
with that. But yeah, peanut butter is pretty good. I mean, okay,

1480
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:08,279
fair enough.

1481
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,079
Speaker 2: Maybe in like a candy bar, it can work like

1482
01:41:12,199 --> 01:41:16,199
the one mixed with with like a biscuit or something

1483
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:19,079
and some chocolate. I don't really eat sweet, but when

1484
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:22,319
I was a child, I really didn't mind that. So

1485
01:41:23,039 --> 01:41:24,079
that's the best I can give you.

1486
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,560
Speaker 4: All right, how much more? I'm gonna have to go

1487
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,159
pretty soon. So what's start? Where are we at with

1488
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:31,720
your Mormon expose?

1489
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:35,960
Speaker 2: So I can speed through a lot of this. So

1490
01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:38,199
it says it speaks of the people of the earth

1491
01:41:38,279 --> 01:41:42,159
being blessed in Abraham seed. Even with the Gospel, there

1492
01:41:42,279 --> 01:41:47,239
is a problem, like they treat gospel like like it's

1493
01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:50,319
some word you can put in the words of in

1494
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:56,960
the mouth of Abraham. But gospel or in modern Greek

1495
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:02,319
me is a specific it's a technical term. And it's

1496
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,319
the good news. Isn't like, hey, you want some money

1497
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:10,680
or something you inherited something from like a dead aunt, whatever. No,

1498
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,079
it is the good news. You would send a herald

1499
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:18,159
of like an emperor or an important general or senator

1500
01:42:18,319 --> 01:42:21,239
in Rome, I was going to visit some city, he

1501
01:42:21,279 --> 01:42:24,640
would send a herald and he would read out his

1502
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:30,359
yuan gelia. It's usually found in the plural, so his accomplishments.

1503
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:33,840
So when we speak of the Gospel of Christ, it

1504
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,600
is his victory over death and sin, and it is

1505
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:40,399
an announcement that He's coming. That's why people ask what

1506
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,600
do I do to be saved? When you know the king,

1507
01:42:44,279 --> 01:42:48,399
this king you speak of, is coming. Right, So it

1508
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:52,640
makes no sense because in this Book of Abraham it

1509
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:56,560
says which pertains to like salvation and blessings and stuff

1510
01:42:56,640 --> 01:43:07,760
like yeah, sure, but we are so detached that hell

1511
01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:14,760
even you know Judea that is I would argue this

1512
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:22,279
is also a huge anachronism in this book. Okay, yeah,

1513
01:43:22,359 --> 01:43:27,319
so the and Thummim. Throughout Mormonism we see the seer

1514
01:43:27,399 --> 01:43:31,439
stones the thummim, and there, I don't know what you do,

1515
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,399
you like put them in front of your eyes next

1516
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:36,560
to your eyes, and you like get visions and stuff.

1517
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:40,960
But that's not what the ur and Thummim were. The

1518
01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:43,920
Thummim and as far as I know, we don't get

1519
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,399
that until we get the high priestood with Aaron. And

1520
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,680
the description of what the high priest has is ephod

1521
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:55,640
and like all the gemstones, et cetera, et cetera. But

1522
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,800
with these two stones, we don't know how exactly they

1523
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:04,680
were used. But their function was when no solution could

1524
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:09,600
be reached, like they're trying to make a decision on something,

1525
01:44:10,039 --> 01:44:13,159
they would cast the Urim and Thummim, and however they

1526
01:44:13,239 --> 01:44:17,279
would read the way they landed is they would say, well,

1527
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,319
God has you know, pushed over to this and it's

1528
01:44:20,319 --> 01:44:22,239
sort of like we don't know who're going to go

1529
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,319
to restaurant A or B, so you like flip a coin.

1530
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:30,159
That's what the seer stones were. They were not magic

1531
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:34,279
stones that you use to give yourselves a vision or

1532
01:44:34,319 --> 01:44:38,439
to translate things. So obviously this is again again this

1533
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,560
isn't just in the Book of Abraham, but it is

1534
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:44,680
mentioned in the Book of Abraham, and again they are

1535
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:48,640
part of the High Priest that we get with Aaron.

1536
01:44:51,319 --> 01:44:55,039
So this is a shorter one. In this book, Abraham

1537
01:44:55,239 --> 01:44:57,479
is told by God to say Sarah was his sister,

1538
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:00,960
but in Genesis twelve this is not the case. In fact,

1539
01:45:01,039 --> 01:45:05,000
this shows that Abraham doesn't fully trust God to protect him,

1540
01:45:05,079 --> 01:45:08,640
so he lies. So in the biblical corpus, God doesn't

1541
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,640
tell this to Abraham. So throughout the Bible we have

1542
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:16,439
a reticence on the part of a lot of our protagonists,

1543
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:17,159
so to speak.

1544
01:45:17,359 --> 01:45:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, very similar to to Islam in that you know,

1545
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,159
the Qur'an, for example, mixes up a lot of the

1546
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:25,960
Biblical stories and gets them backwards.

1547
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 2: Yes, So one thing I wanted to contact you about.

1548
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,800
I don't think I did say, but I think I

1549
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:36,079
realized why they think Ezra is the son of Allah,

1550
01:45:37,279 --> 01:45:41,520
because Ezra funds that founded like the synagogue system. And

1551
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:46,960
I think from this half formed idea of Christianity and

1552
01:45:47,039 --> 01:45:51,880
Judaism that Muhammad had, I think, well, Christians they go

1553
01:45:52,399 --> 01:45:57,000
to church once a week to worship the Son of God.

1554
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:02,079
So Jews go to sin agogue once a week and

1555
01:46:02,199 --> 01:46:06,039
they worshiped the Son of God. And Ezra founded this

1556
01:46:06,199 --> 01:46:10,439
synagogue system. I think he somehow like reverse engineered it

1557
01:46:11,079 --> 01:46:13,720
into an idea of Ezra being the son of That's

1558
01:46:14,039 --> 01:46:17,640
literally the only explanation I could find as to why

1559
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,880
Jews would purport to believing that Ezra is the son.

1560
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 3: Of allan Mormons Jews, I mean muscles.

1561
01:46:28,039 --> 01:46:30,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Muslims would claim the Jews believe.

1562
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1563
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 2: So but we see again these half formed thoughts that

1564
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:42,399
just shatter into into nonsense. Yeah, and I have some

1565
01:46:42,640 --> 01:46:45,640
smaller things like this is where we get colar, eternal matter,

1566
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,720
eternal souls, multiplicity of God. This is the book you

1567
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,520
would go to to find this. And again it's supposed

1568
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:59,439
to serve as some type of like pre genesis or

1569
01:46:59,520 --> 01:46:59,960
like I found.

1570
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is the only text that mentions coll

1571
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,479
op So this is really the formative like sci fi

1572
01:47:06,039 --> 01:47:08,399
space text part of Mormonism too, right.

1573
01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:11,079
Speaker 2: Yes, and you would see why he would want it

1574
01:47:11,279 --> 01:47:13,279
to be in this text because it would be the

1575
01:47:13,399 --> 01:47:17,560
oldest text we had, Right, It was from Abraham himself,

1576
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:22,720
So we're almost not at least, but around a thousand

1577
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:26,720
years away from from Moses and stuff. So if you

1578
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:32,439
want to give credence to the nonsense you're trying to create,

1579
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,920
you would put it in the earliest possible book.

1580
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,399
Speaker 3: We have a Serb in the chat claiming that you

1581
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:40,399
are not Serbian? Is there any way that you could

1582
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:41,479
refute that?

1583
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, popilius sum mania many unitsy balis try beating that

1584
01:47:57,319 --> 01:48:02,319
no one just sounded like the equivalent of cottnight, Joe.

1585
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:06,359
It's like a very mean song over here.

1586
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 3: So hard time. Does that prove to you that Posh

1587
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:12,960
is actually Serbian? I don't know why he's so convinced

1588
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:13,359
that you're not.

1589
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:18,159
Speaker 2: Maybe he sees this as a try hard and I

1590
01:48:18,199 --> 01:48:23,279
also have these two Greek hats over here, so it

1591
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:24,199
might be betraying.

1592
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,399
Speaker 3: He said, w TF. Now he doesn't know what to say.

1593
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:30,479
He's he's mystified.

1594
01:48:31,359 --> 01:48:34,319
Speaker 2: I overserved him at that point.

1595
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:39,319
Speaker 3: All right, where are we at? We're getting towards the conclusion.

1596
01:48:39,399 --> 01:48:41,359
Speaker 2: We're pretty much at the end. There's there's a lot

1597
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:43,960
I can with a lot of smaller points I can make,

1598
01:48:45,159 --> 01:48:49,039
but that's basically it. Especially if if you've got to go.

1599
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:52,520
Speaker 4: I thank you so much, guys. Everybody be sure and

1600
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,760
follow Pasha. I've got him linked right here on the page.

1601
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:57,920
You can see I put his links in the chat

1602
01:48:57,960 --> 01:48:59,399
as well if you want to follow him on X

1603
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,560
And also, as you said, he's a researcher for the

1604
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:06,000
crucible and shout out to all those guys in Jim

1605
01:49:06,039 --> 01:49:09,520
Bob and welcome and let's see remember to head on

1606
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:11,640
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1607
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:17,479
the internet. Choq dot com, cchoq dot com and they

1608
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1609
01:49:20,199 --> 01:49:24,560
getting in the gym, getting fit, becoming a toxic masculine

1610
01:49:25,159 --> 01:49:28,560
bad boy right there. And then you can pull those

1611
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:33,760
serbian weasel women that we saw earlier and you'll be

1612
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:36,119
able to fend them off when they attack you because

1613
01:49:36,119 --> 01:49:36,920
they're eight feet tall.

1614
01:49:37,079 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 3: So you either pull a meal ajoviovich or you pull

1615
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:41,520
a X.

1616
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:47,279
Speaker 4: Brutalizer beating and what's the word I'm looking for a

1617
01:49:48,399 --> 01:49:55,319
domestic abuse situation. That's Pasha's X. You can handle these

1618
01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:58,000
women with chalk dot com. Use a promo co jif

1619
01:49:58,039 --> 01:49:59,760
for zero to get forty percent off all of your

1620
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:05,880
based serbian power juice so that the women don't beat

1621
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:07,960
you up. Posh, what are you gonna leave us with?

1622
01:50:08,079 --> 01:50:11,199
Thank you so much for this research, No problem.

1623
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:14,520
Speaker 2: Chalk dot com be as tall as a serbian woman.

1624
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,600
Speaker 4: Talk dot com making you more Serb women than the

1625
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:21,920
Serb women, so that you can handle the Serb women.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Posh, everybody, have a great night

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and we will talk to you and see you soon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.