Speaker 1: What's up everybody?
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Hobby Hotline. This is episode three ninety one.
We are here on the four Collectors YouTube channel. I
am here with two of the original co hosts. When
I first started getting on this show and doing some
of the hosting. These were two of the guys that
you know I was originally hosting with. We have doctor
Jim Beckett, we have Uncle Rich Klein. Jim, I'll start
with you, how's your week been, what you've been up to?
Speaker 3: Staying busy, stay and busy. But I'm just not shocked.
But three ninety one episodes is a lot. Now, It's
not a lot for you, Adam, because you did daily
for so long, and for me I've done for a while,
but three ninety one is is It's not a you know,
round number or anything, but it's I'm happy. We wouldn't
be doing it if it wasn't for the for the.
Speaker 2: Audience, right exactly. Yeah, and three ninety one only going
once a week. We worked twice a week for a
little bit or now we're back to once a week.
But yeah, my first episode was episode one hundred, I think,
so it's crazy to think that there's been three hundred
more episodes that we've done collectively as a unit. I
think we I think this is probably one of the
only shows where you have this many different types of
you know, voices, and this type of diversity whether whatever
whoever is on the show. You got tons of different
co hosts every week.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Uncle Rich, what's up with you? How you has
your week been?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: My week was fine. I celebrated another trip around the
Sun on Thursday, and I went to a TCG show
yesterday that our friends from the Dallas Card Show put on.
And it was it's almost a pop up four hundred
card show, if you could believe that. And it was
nice and inexpensive to get there, and there was no
I did not have to pay for parking, and it
was five dollars to get in the door. And all
the pretty young ladies at the front that known me
and they said, go see go see Jerica if you want,
and I said, look for five dollars to get in
the door. I'll just add, knowing this question money, I'll
just give you the five dollars. I'll just give you
the five dollars. And everybody started laughing. And I actually
budgeted X amount of money just to bring and I
actually spent the money I brought with me, which which
was a total shock because there were actually baseball card
value boxes there. I didn't go through the other sports,
but you know, if it's not the worst worst afternoon
in the world to spend afternoon going through value.
Speaker 1: Boxes, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I think this past week we jumped between
or were less than fifty days away from the National
So that's another another milestone here as we get into
I guess it's almost national season. I mean, I know
that they've got Fanatics Fest I think is before the
National this year, and the Fanatics Fest is actually going
to be the same weekend as the World Cup final
in Well that's going on in MetLife. You're gonna have
I think it's at one of the convention centers in
the city. You're gonna have bad expst. But speaking of
the World Cup, that's actually going to be our first
topic for today's show. So last night we had the
US men's national team, I mean really kind of dominate.
I watched most of the game. The second half was
there were at times it didn't look as good as
maybe people were expecting. After that first half, three nothing
almost four nothing. If you know, somebody, if polistic doesn't
go outside there. But yeah, it's gonna be exciting. These
players are so ball again. He scored two goals and
he was actually wearing the debut patch that TOPS is using.
I'm not really sure if they've come out with news
about where they're going to be putting the debut patches.
But you know, I'll start I'll go around the horn here,
doctor Jim. Did you know? I know, was it was
a bit late? I think it was a nine o'clock
start there. But did you were able to catch any
of that game last night?
Speaker 3: I had a date last night with oh wonderful woman
in the world, my wife. But here's the thing I
got home and a fact, what happened to the Paraguay
vaunted defense. We're supposed to be so strong and they
got four goals scored on them, So either that means
they're not as good or maybe the US team is
is gonna outperform their expectations.
Speaker 1: That'd be great, Yeah, I hope.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: I mean this is since they announced the World Cup
and then in twenty twenty, because now at this point
it's twenty twenty two. I've been following this US team
and this is one of the better teams that they've had.
Rich I'll kind of ask you the same question, are
you are I mean, what are your thoughts to just
about the World Cup in general?
Speaker 4: Here? I was shocked by the dominance of the USA
team last night. I watched most of the game. It's
rare for me nowadays to actually watch sporting events, but
I watched that and it was the match was so
dominated by USA. And I'm thinking, this is like a
hockey game where they're where you can tell who the
better team is because they are They're controlling the puck
and the other team's defensive zone. They were controlling the
ball the other team's defensive zone. They were just and
fuego as the eis well going. Turned My wonderful wife
walk around hearing us talk about this and screaming, UF
if you caught that, if that got caught on on
the video. And what's interesting is, by the way, there's
a couple other things. The Finances Fest is at the
Javitt Center in New York. It's an insane place. It's
the same weekend as the Big West Coast Card Show,
hosted by Rob Viris and his crew and the Dallas
Card Show. It's going to be this would be a week.
If we were back in Beckett in nineteen ninety two,
we'd be sending people to all three shows to compare
them notes. I shuddered what the budget would have been
at Beckett in nineteen ninety two, that to send people
to those who actually wondered being Dallas. But I shudder
what the budget would have been been to send people
to those shows in those days. But what's interesting is,
especially during the World Cup, sport card interest and since
this is hobby hotline, a sports card interest has really slowed.
I know four years ago when I would sit with
Angela and Stefan at the comm seat table booth at
the Dallas Card Show, and I remember the month before
the show, we had one of our best months ever
at that show, as people were sending in soccer card
after soccer card with like the select Or the Elite
Service to get them on before the whole tournament began.
Speaker 2: Doctor Jim, do you think you turn your speaker down
just a tiny bit? I think that there's some feedback
coming through your computer when I think, like when I
was speaking and then when we're speaking, I could see
your mic going off with this. Let's see, Yeah, I
think yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so at least for now,
we'll see. But yeah, sorry, go ahead, go ahead, Rich, No,
that's fine.
Speaker 4: And it's the interest during the card show, the interest
in carts has really exploded in soccer, and I think
that's great. On the worldwide thing, Fanavis talks about expanding
the hobby. Ten x Soccer is still the most popular
sport in the world. Right, You're gonna tell if you
get a big uptick in soccer, you're gonna get a
lot of the way to ten x, you know. And
I also just saw that PSA is part of dealing
with their backlog. One of their foreign offices starts a
soft opening in July and really a more heavy beginning
in August.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're right about the ten
xing with the foreign market. And I mean there's a guy,
I don't know if you guys are followed Boston Sports Radio,
but there's a guy named Michael Felger, and he is
like a contrarian like everything. Like he's not from Boston,
so like all of his takes are very anti Boston.
Like he always kind of crapping on the team a
little bit. He had to take it. That was very
interesting this past week about the MLS and their deal
when they brought Messi on and the Apple Tea deal
and that I think it's been not so good. It's
good for Apple obviously, but I think for the fans
putting it behind that big paywall really I think hurt
soccer a little bit. And you know, I expected that
deal to help soccer, but I think what ended up
happening was that they just made the sport a little
bit more inaccessible to watch. So the interest I think
actually should be much higher for this World Cup than
it is, especially for most of a lot of the
US players, like you know, not Polisic or McKinney, but
like some of the US players like the goalie for example,
he plays for the New York He plays for New
York FC. So there should be a little bit more interest,
I think in in the World Cup from a soccer
from a card perspective, I think that there could be.
And you know, I guess we can go back to
the last time the World Cup was in the US
I think, which I think was ninety two or ninety three,
Is that correct? Ninety four. Okay, yeah, so you know,
doctor Beckett, do you remember back then? Not to age myself,
but I think I was one. I think I was
born ninety three, so I was one years old, so
I wouldn't I was not in the sports card at
one years old. But do you remember what it was like?
Was there was there really any soccer cards at that
time or was it? How much different is it compared
to now.
Speaker 3: Upper Deck put out a lot of soccer cards back
in those days, they had various sets around ninety four.
My big regret, I'm remembering this now, that there were
at least one game and maybe more down at the
Cotton Bowl, and I remember getting offered tickets and not
taking them, but I don't remember the tickets being that expensive.
What we have now, thirty plus years later, is that
tickets are really really expensive. And it's just like the
card in the sports card world. I mean, they're testing
the limits of the of their best customers and the
fans by raising ticket prices, just like box prices and
card prices. They're getting up so high that you really
you want it, but you're just thinking, wow, do I
want to pay this much to sit in the in
the they're no cheap seats. You know, you pay huge
bucks for something that's in the rafter.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And I mean I was going to try
to go to the Norway versus France game that's at
Gillette Stadium or Boston Stadium as it's been called for
the World Cup because they had to take the sponsors off,
which I think is very funny because they also have
all the sponsors on all of the stuff inside the stadium,
but for some reason outside the stadium they're not allowed
to which also again calling it Boston Stadium when Boston's
forty five minutes away. It's you know, that's the case
with a lot of the stadiums. Actually, I know that,
like the Dallas Stadium is in Arlington, which is half
an hour away the uh I think they're calling it
San Francisco Stadium when it's actually in Santa Claro, which
is far away. It's and even same with them calling
it New York and it's at that MetLife. It's just
you know, it's going to be interesting to see how
there's some of that stuff going on. But yeah, I
think the the ticket price for that game, which obviously
would have been in Bappa versus Holland, which are two
of the biggest names in the sport. Those tickets were
like one thousand dollars, So I'm not you know, unfortunately,
I'm not gonna be able to go and I don't
have a thousand dollars laying around to go to the
World Cup. Also, I don't know if either of you
have been to Gillette Stadium. It's like on a road.
It's like off of a road, like it's it's not
easy to get to whatsoever. Like there's gonna be incredible
amounts of traffic around that stadium. So it's gonna be
very interesting to see how that goes. First games at
you know, the Boston Stadium, I guess, but you know,
Rich kind of a similar question, Like the World Cup,
it's driven a lot of fans to be interested. Has
that been interested in maybe cards a little bit more?
Do you remember if it was like that, Like do
you remember if the last World Cup or any of
the other World Cups has really driven fans to buy
more soccer or is it kind of the Has it
been a steady increase over these past couple of years.
Speaker 4: As I said, it's been a steady increase overall in soccer,
and it gets exacerbated during the World Cup. I pointed
out about, you know, the submissions in twenty twenty two
to come see. I'm sure the submissions in twenty twenty six,
especially being here in America and Canada and Mexico, are
even higher and even more intense.
Speaker 3: And I do.
Speaker 4: Remember, as Jen said, the nineteen ninety four upper deck
sets and those sets where they did many different varieties
of those cards. I don't want to call on variations,
but I think they had several different languages on the cards.
They were very active in those days of doing several
different languages on cards. You know basketball as well. So
I think in the last few years there's definitely been
growth in soccer, and I think we're going to see
another push upward. And as a person who has gone
to some MLS games here it's been a while, it's
it's great to see the interest. And recently my wife
wife's cousins son is on an elite soccer sixteen and
under soccer team and they were in a pre national tournament,
I guess competition here here in Dallas at near the
near where they play in Frisco. And I will tell
you that the recruiters, the college recruiters, the foreign recruiters,
these kids. This was a very high level soccer for
sixteen year old and I think that was the max age,
so I think I might have been sixteen and under.
And when we got to the we got to the
match and we pull into the parking lot and I
see somebody and I think that, I think I see
these two guys wearing Clemson used university shirts and I said,
if I remember, you guys have a pretty good team.
And they said, yeah, we've won two national titles in
the last five years. And had okay, let me rephrase that,
you guys have really good teams there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's the type of level of people who
were coming to recruit at those games, right, those matches,
and soccer has truly become one of the most popular
sports in this country. I saw a stat the other
day where now soccer is considered by ten percent of
the American popularis their most popular sport. In third place
baseball is now for which of course is a baseball fan.
That's a little annoying to me, but I understand why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, I think this generation, you know,
I've called them the Golden Generation. I don't know if
that's something that a lot of people agree with, Like
this is one of the better opportunities I think that
we have to win this World Cup. I don't I'm
not even real one hundred percent sure if they can
or not. Like Spain and Germany and all these teams,
they're just those kids are born with the soccer ball
at their feet. So like here in the United States,
we've seen, like with the MLS, they luckily have, you know,
the league itself, like the MLS is I think now
it's thirty years old at this point. So there's an
opportunity for players to go professionally at a young age,
and it's it's driven more players to play that sport
I think than we've seen in a year's past. And
you know, you've got a player like Polisic who at
thirteen years old, the only way for him to play professionally,
really to do it at a profitable level, was to
go over to Germany and play for Dortmund. So and
it's similar with like Wester McKinney and Tyler Adams. I mean,
those players are part of this generation that I think
are going to be uh you know, I think it's
one of our best opportunities to win the World Cup.
We'll see maybe twenty thirty how these players go. But
like this is the prime for a lot of these players,
So I think that this is one of the better
shots that we have. If they play up to the competition,
then you know that's going to be good. I think
one of the problems they had before was they just
didn't play up to the competition, like they would play
down to their uh, they would play down to their opponents.
So that was one thing I was nervous about last night.
And then they scored three goals in the first half
and kind of was stomping them a little bit. I mean, yeah,
they I think that they're going to need to score
a lot of goals in this World Cup because they're
you know, their defenders play up like you know, Anton Robinson,
he plays up on the on the end there. So
they're gonna have to score a lot of goals. We'll
see how it goes. But yeah, well so I mean
we'll kind of move on here from World Cup stuff.
I'll just kick it to doctor Beckett one last time.
Is there anything else you had him out the World
Cup or or anything else? You had there.
Speaker 3: I think FIFA has done some things that people haven't liked,
but the other sports leagues, for their big events are
probably thinking, hmm, that's interesting that you can, you know,
charge that much for tickets and then you can and
you can kind of jerrymander the parking to have approved
tailgaters and then remote parking that's way away, that's still
really expensive. And so I think the leagues are watching
and I hope they don't copy some of those that
might be considered cash grabs. You know that FIFA they
only have once every four years to grab, but they're
really grabbing.
Speaker 2: Right Rich, same same question, or you get to anything
else in the World Cup here.
Speaker 4: You and Jim have both pointed out about how you
Let's stadium is located in the and some of the
and I'll put in air quotes cash grabs. Remember that
they are not just charging a lot of money park
at Jillette Stadium. If you have to shuttle your way
to Jillette Stadium, they are charging an arm and a
leg for you to get from your remote parking space
Joette Stadium. It's not a free shuttle. It is an
expensive little shuttle. In fact, one of the issues with
New York, and I remember doing this. I could take
the bus from Port Authority to whatever they call Gianny
Stadium now or the Burner, you know, whenever it's the
burn AINO. When I lived in Jersey. I don't know
what the corporate names are now, so I apologize to
the corporate people, but you could take the bus. Well,
they're charging now one hundred dollars for what used to
be a two dollars bus drip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, rights.
Speaker 2: It's the same with the commuter rail from Boston to
Gelette Stadium. I think is it's usually like ten to
fifteen dollars if you're going to like a Patriots game,
and I'm fairly confidence like eighty dollars now, which it's unfortunate,
that's what that's kind of what they're doing. But I mean,
I don't know, it's just I think it's unfortunate. But
when you have an event like this and the demand
is going to be there, I guess it's all you
can say is just kid, that's what capital capitalism is
going to capitalism. You know that if there's money to
be made, people are going to try and make it.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, but Adam, there's also increased cost of services for
those cities and areas and police and all that kind
of stuff, traffic control, all that stuff. So I have
a little bit of sympathy, but when it's five hundred
percent right, I'm wondering.
Speaker 2: Right right, totally? Yeah, I agree, we have. You know,
it's been a pretty heavy sports week rather than a
sports card week necessarily.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: We have Game five of the NBA Finals tonight, and
the Knicks are you know the LA Game four in
NYC that was maybe one of the best NBA Finals
games we've ever seen. With the comeback that they had
and the Game five, it looks like the Knicks could
potentially pull off. I suppose it would be an upset.
I mean, I don't know. The Spurs are good, the
Knicks are good. They're both good teams. So I think
the Spurs probably win this, and then the Knicks I
think will probably end up winning. I think just based
on a three to one deficit, it's hard to come
back from in the NBA Finals. But yeah, so NBA
Finals stuff, it's very very fun, you know, Rich I'll
start with you, what are your kind of overall thoughts
here NBA Finals? And I guess we can, you know,
related to cards, I suppose as well.
Speaker 4: Well, well, there are a couple of things. First, I mean,
I was a dis fan growing up. It's been fifty
three years. That's long enough. Second, when I remember I
was on a family vacation in Maine in like nineteen
seventy's or seventy one, it's the sixth and we've and
the second year of the Tall Boys and Basketball cards.
It was really cool because in that series were NBA
Finals cards where they had recaps of each game. So
even going back to the very beginning, almost of tops
doing NBA cards, they would at least talk about the
NBA Finals. There have been thirty seven or thirty eight
occasions where teams have had three one deficits in the
NBA Finals. The only the Cavaliers in twenty sixteen have
ever pulled off the comeback. So, and I remember I
was monitoring the game slightly the other night and I
saw the scores like seventy five to forty six or
something like that, and I said, okay, we're just going
six or seven.
Speaker 1: And it's right.
Speaker 4: And the next morning I woke up and it was like,
wait a second, OG wins on a tap at the buzzer,
it's like did I miss something? Did I wake up
in an alternate universe? And if that, I mean, I
think Fanatics has already said, like the netting from the
game is going to be on a card. If that
card is not on the TOPS Now and that card
has not sold like ten thousand copies, I'd be shot
that I'd beat that. And that is one of the
great things. And I'll say Pannini instant from when they
were doing it and tops now has done, is you
get instantaneous cards of the of the really iconic moments
of sports. You don't have to wait any more four months,
six months to get the iconic moment.
Speaker 1: It's immedia right exactly.
Speaker 2: And so doctor Beckett kind of similar question here, like
what are your thoughts on the finals? Have you been
kind of following it when then, I guess if you
want to relate it to any card thoughts about the
finals or NBA cards just in general here.
Speaker 3: I'd love to see, actually, I'd love to see a
game six. I just think they're building up the suspense
so we'll see. The Spurs are a young team and
it's just it's a gut punch to lose like that.
So yeah, they're gonna come back strong at home and
then and then game six, Game seven. Could there be
a Game seven? I don't know, you know, I just
I just I'm not done with basketball. I think the drama, well,
it's just the Spurs go up in every game there,
they come out strong and then hold on. So this
this is I wonder. I wonder if an element of
that is coaching or the you know the fact that
all they're young. They got mainly young guys. But I'd
like to see I'd like to see him come out
strong tonight and then for the either way, you can't
lose in one sense, because if it goes back to
New York for a game six, that will be so bonkers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely, especially.
Speaker 3: I mean, any of that stuff is good for the hobby.
Speaker 1: Right totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with what we've seen just in game these
last two games in New York, the celebrities have been
coming out in troves that said courtside there. I don't
know if you guys saw the the Stefan Castle card.
I actually ordered a couple of them. Let's see if
it's in this article. I don't think so, but it
was like the celebrities. There was like Tina Fey, Ben Stiller,
like Spike Lee, like there was like ten all ten
of the celebrities that were in the front row there
or on the back of this card. It's gonna be
very interesting one to see how many of them sell
and if it ends up being like you know, because
we've seen the cards with like Drake in the background.
Then there was the famous card with the Menendez brothers,
and there's been all of these famous cards, and then
you have the one where uh I think it was
there was some other rapper that was on the back
of some John Morant cards. So it's interesting to see.
I would like to see Tops capitalize on that a
little bit more, figure out a way to get more
of the celebrities in the back of these cards, because
I think it adds kind of just a cool element
to to these cards. And I agree with you, doctor Beckett,
I'm not ready to see the NBA. The NBA in
the season. I mean, it's been a really great season. Celtics.
My Celtics obviously didn't do so well, unfortunately losing in
the first round, but actually they were up three to
one and they lost, so that was a. So it
does it can't happen in the playoffs, not it's so
much in the finals, like you said, Rich, But yeah,
it's definitely going to be a I mean it'll be
all these games have been pretty close and good, so
we'll see how how this ends up going for the NBA. So,
I mean kind of a I don't know, did you
guys have any other thoughts on the NBA stuff? I mean,
like we it's it's a go ahead, Jim.
Speaker 3: I just think Michael Rubin fanatics Tops. They've got this
spectacular opportunity to bring into the Tops now some combo
signed h short printed versions that have Taylor Swift or
Been Skiller or Spike Lee, you know, along with O
g Onobi or or a Jalen Brunson. I mean, if
they they've got them, it's like at the the rookie
at the draft, they're they're all right there. They could say,
look can you sign this sign now? Again, it might
have to be a sticker or something like it, but
lining up and having a Jalen Brunson Spike Lee card
or you know that's signed by both to me, I
think you get a lot of pr for that. And
again I'm all about ten Xing as well, and ten
Xing is is being more in the public consciousness.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, just like if we zoom in here, you
got uh, like the the who's who of New York
Knicks fans. You got Tracy Uh, Tracy Morgan is Tracy Morgan.
I don't know if that's Michael Ruben or not. It
might be potentially. Then you got obviously Ben Stiller. Unfortunately,
my guy Timothy Shalmy was the guy with these orange
pants here, and he's being blocked I think by the
image or by the player. But yeah, the amount of
celebrities on this card is like pretty pretty wild. And
I don't know if they had any plans to do
any celebrity stuff with this card specifically, but if they
go into like you said, if they go back to
New York, I think that they have to set something
up here, you know. I think, like you said, doctor Beckett,
like they should probably set something up where they know
who the celebrities are and they could do some sort
of NBA celebrity front rows set. I mean that would
be I think that would be really cool.
Speaker 3: And the photographers can h the access for photography at
NBA is very controlled and that these are expert photographers.
You you could get the field of vision to be
more prominent for these celebrities. You know, you're just like
what you're showing there. You could you could more lock
in and like I said, i think for Michael Rubin
and fanatics, I'm not sure there's rules that it's not
illegal if the Players Association is okay with you know,
having other featured people in a basket on a basketball card,
especially if it's going to expand the market. So I'd
love to see that. I'd love to see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I totally agree, And yeah, so I'll be rich.
Any any final thoughts here on the LA Finals or
NBA cards.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if you saw, but there was
recently a Yasil Pueek Tops Now World Series card PSA
ten that sold for like sixty thousand dollars because Kobe
Bryant's very visible on the back and one thing you
have to understand, and Brian rape For is out recently,
Vanessa Brant is not putting Kobe appear on any cards
right now. So right now, Koch, the universe of Kobe
Bryant's cards as big as it is is closed and
that's very interesting. So that shows just how popular these
fan backgrounds can be on a card. Also, one thing
about Wenby, I don't think in this case tops the
NBA can lose whichever team wins the title the next
to compare in New York, one of the major media
markets still in the world. It's great and the Knicks
have very personable players as their key things. And if
the Spurs pull off the comeback, Wenby reminds me and
I mentioned this reason of a very young lu Au Sender.
What people forget about Luel Cinder because most of the
video we've seen a Luel Sinder is with the Lakers
when he was a little bit older, but a very
young Lueuse Cinder. I remember watching NBA games on ABC
Louel Cinder fast breaks. Luel Sender was a very good
ball handler. He was a life young. Wemby has the
same skills a young Luele Sitter had, and even he
can shoot from way downtown Bank. I mean, I've seen
him five footers in the NBA. That's that range astounding
at any any any in the fact that he's seven
to five doing that, and I think it's just a
mature right now. But I'll point out the one possible
downside is we all for Orlando when they had all
those young guys at Shaq at Penny of Finals, Houston
beats them. They never got there again. So there's always
that pet I mean, I don't want to say, I
don't want to be the naysayer that this could be done,
but some of the history is there one and done
the other history there's a learning curve NBA and getting
to the finals so quickly, the Major and then the
next step. So either either is that's terrible, but you know,
either for the Spur and I'm excited for top. There's
as you pointed out, with the select MSG, and there
are very specific rules by the way the select at MSG.
They have to stay the whole game. They are not
allowed to leave early. You and I were at a
game and we decide when these when these Spurs were
up twenty nine, we wanted to leave the celebrities. That's
actually part of the contract they signed to be in
celebrity role the hemisphere.
Speaker 3: Okay, thought question. Let's assume that the Spurs win Game five,
so they go back to New York for Game six.
Do you think there will be a bigger riot if
they win the Knicks or if they lose. Either way,
I think there's gonna be madness in the streets. And yeah,
I have some concern about that win or lose, I
think people are gonna go nuts because, like Rich said,
the fifty three years of pent up.
Speaker 2: Demand, right, Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of
one of the cool things about having a team in
the Championship where the stadium is in the middle of
a big city like that, because you know, if you
have also it's maybe different because maybe not NFL so
much because obviously it's in a different place, but like
when you have the games in the middle of the city,
I think it uh creates an environment that is much
more interesting to follow from a fan perspective, like fans
watching fans, like in the streets like that, because you know,
for San Antonio, I don't know, at that stadium, I
mean it's not in New York City, obviously, it's not
like how MSG is in New York City, But like
the stadium being so easily walkable too, I think really
makes really makes for an interesting, cool environment. And I think, yeah,
I think someone said in the chat here that they're
gonna They're probably gonna riot one way or either way, unfortunately,
And I think too, I think both like I think
both of you guys mentioned this, the players getting back
to the NBA Finals is very hard. I think Lebron
and maybe Curry were the last two players where you
expected them to be in the finals every year. But
the past five years the matchup has been different, and
no team that's been in the finals the past five
years has gone back in any of the matchups. So
you know, you had you got, you had Celtics, Celtics MAVs,
you had the Bucks, Bucks and Sons you had last
year with Indiana and Oka see in the New York
and San Antonio. This year, I think it's I think
it's driving fans to watch the games more too. I
know that I've seen some of the statistics of just
that these are some of the most watched games we've
seen in like years. But uh, yeah, I think it's
I think it's definitely gonna be fun to I think
that this finals is gonna go down as probably one
of the better, more interesting ones in terms of the
interest in just the two teams. I think, in my opinion,
it might just be that you know, it's Wemby versus
New York. I think that's maybe one of the things
that's been been the most interesting here. But so from
a so those are kind of nie the sports topics,
We're going to get into a little bit of sports cards.
One of the big sports card stories this past week
was the release of Top Series two for baseball. And
you know, I'll ask you Rich this first. I know
we were kind of talking about this before the show,
a little bit about seria. You know, what were your
thoughts about series to any any insight here? What were
you kind of thinking this week when this product released.
Speaker 4: Way back in twenty eighteen seventy, Top Series two for
about ten was the redheaded step child of the hobby.
Top Series one was always the most popular the release
each because there is a whole group of people who
every year buy something from Tops because they did that
as they get growing up and they still buy Tops
and what did they buy Top Series? I mean, and
you still see that before Tops one, you'll see MLB
Network they break the packs up, the million card rips.
We've had all these things about the Top Series one
release that don't come out. Top Series I realized the
world had gene circ When our former teammate at Becket,
Dave'sill came up to domc Off we had in Dallas.
We're I'm looking at the checklist. This will be like
the last many years, this will be forty forty five
to fifty dollars. Not so much. You know, box prices
were starting to explode, And then I think I was
the same. I couldn't buy a heritage, you know. I
waited for Herod's from seventy five to one T five
like that, and it was the same thing basically happened
where I expected it. Looking at the check this forty
five dollars and I'd have a good old time by
fifty or fifty five at an LCS not so much.
And now people look forward to Top series two like
it else, the Tops of all the little things. They've
been to it, and this is stuff at Reddit and
for that Tops it's now a very popular product to get.
I think it's actually still printed lesson. So I think
there's actually some hidden value in Tops, which I never thought.
But even at these levels, I think they're hidden value.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And they added I think this they have
the short prints for JJ Weatherhole and Kevin McGonagall, and
those were two of the top five prospects going into
the season, along with Connor Griffin. And Connor Griffin he's
going to be in update. He's gonna Top Update later
on the year. Didn't unfortunately, didn't make his debut in
time for this product, but did make it in time
four TOPS Update. The other cool thing that they're adding.
They did this for series one with that Mickey Mantle
the right in nineteen fifty two. They are going to
do I believe it was a Hank Aaron and a
Jackie Robinson gradive redemption for in series two. I think
that they did something along the lines of it was
the top seventy five baseball cards of all time. Then
they picked some of the best cards and they're doing
greative redemptions here. So you know, doctor Becket, I'll ask
you this question, is Series two is that enough for
someone like you to buy into Series two? Like, like,
what did you think about when you saw the you know,
the graded redemption concept that TOPS was coming out with.
Speaker 3: I think they're doing things that are trying to drive
interest in the product, and it is a separate product.
Series two for twenty twenty six Tops is a separate product,
but is it a separate set? Not really a separate set.
And yet when we were doing our price guides back
in the day, and when COMC is listing these is
sometimes they listed is list the you know, the car
the base cards there is as series two instead of
just twenty twenty six Tops. You know, when they're coming out,
it matters. But a few years later, whether something was
from five years ago, whether it was series one or
series two, you could tell by the number, and sometimes
they have different inserts. But like Rich was saying that,
if you're wanting to put away like Rich does for
his nephew, I think or is you want to buy
the whole set, and the whole set is is series one,
Series two and probably the extended So but again the
marketing of it is this is series two. It's out
right now, it's got this great stuff in it. Jump in.
That's not the way a hobby anymore. So I wouldn't
you know, I'm really I have nothing against it. If
I got it. It makes a lot of sense to
do it that way because it keeps something fresh on
the shelves and with a different player composition, you you know,
you could get. I mean, there's stuff in there that
you couldn't get in series one. So I think it's
a good idea, but it's I don't don't. I don't
hobby in the moment that much. I guess. I guess
that The way I would say it is that I
appreciate what's going on on the court on the field,
and I watch with interest, but I don't run out
and buy immediately. And if something is a brand new product,
I'm more likely to let it percolate. You know, when
I go to a show, if I see stuff interesting,
you know in the dollar boxes, I'll jump all over that. Newer,
the better there. But I've got to know if it's new.
It's the reason I haven't seen it is not just
because it just came out. It's because it has it
has to be a little bit tougher. Rich is always
admonished and not go for the base cards unless they're
sps or SSPs or back variations or things like that.
But so I read.
Speaker 4: About the base cards. It's buying quantity. If you're buying
a card of a base card and a value box,
I'm fine with it. When you look at the Huggins
and Scottwalk and it's ninety eight percent base cards. That's
what I tell you not to buy though.
Speaker 3: Rich, Rich, that was fourteen years ago. I have learned
by mistake, thank you very much. And I made an
additional mistake a few years ago. But my frequency of
mistakes is getting better.
Speaker 4: But I will point out one thing seeing the seering
broken out is the fresh the businesses because those get
discatch sent in because we want it comps very fresh
material and the and the way you get fresh material
is by doing a discount thereof and that that is
Jim is correct. It is part of the same set
you know when you buy. When I buy from my
great nephew, the factory set Series one in series two
is the sumpt is in there and the last three
prices on those sets, so it's very But Series one
in series two is broken up because that update has
always been broken because the numbering has.
Speaker 3: But com you know, it's not just the discount, it's
half off, and not only that, they have windows which
are a little bit confusing for me. So I've I
stay away from that, Rich, even though it's a fabulous
deal to get half price. Ingestion on I don't know
is it is it this year's sets or things that
have been out less than three months, it's I don't.
I don't have the I don't. I always think it's
this year's cards, which again would would mean series one,
Series two. They've all come out in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: I talked about the four that you sat and this
is for Jim. You sat on Zoom meeting about what
cards should be in the seventy five, Greatest and Redemption
during that meeting, and remind did they also say they
were great twenty five, twenty five seconds, certainty five up
or did they just talk about.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't talk about that. That was It was
mainly to try to get the top, you know, the
seventy five, the top ten, and there was actually a
lot of time spent on the bottom ten. So it
was very fascinating in it. And I wasn't silent, but
I was one voice out of many, and it was
interesting and no one person was going to agree with everything,
but yeah, it was. It was in a list like that,
you're trying to have what it's not just done by value.
They were trying to have something for everybody and so
to spread it out, Yeah, that would.
Speaker 1: Make sense right, yeap.
Speaker 2: And so we're moving a little bit towards the latter
half of the show. Here we are within this past week.
Maybe I mentioned this before. Maybe I mentioned this before
the show. I forget we are fifty days less now,
less than fifty days away from the national So I
think it's good to, you know, remind people to get
yourself prepared, start thinking about the cards that you want
to buy, start thinking about, you know, what you're going
to be doing up the show, all these types of things,
and I think it's good to bring things back to
just collecting in general, and maybe not mentioned maybe not
talk about so much of the news. So you know,
doctor Beckett, I'll ask you this question about when you
are going to shows. I think this is something I've
been wondering for a while. Is like, you know, you
have seen millions, hundreds of me I don't know how
many cards you've seen in your lifetime. I mean, uh,
more than maybe potentially anybody really, So like when you're
going through either dollar boxes or you're going through people's showcases,
like what are some of the cards that you're looking
out for that you like to buy? That are you
know that are up to the standard of like the
Doctor Beckett collection, Like what are you kind of looking for?
Speaker 3: It's hard to explain. I mean I think Rich understands that.
It's basically, you know, I don't want base basic cards,
you know, I don't want I don't even want you know, uh,
good cards of great players, if they're they're very very common.
I've said, anything that's in the dollar box is probably
because it's not gradable, and it's not what not able,
So not something that's going to grab somebody. And so
I'm looking for the other stuff that's it's it's probably
more lower lower, lower supply and lower demand, Adam, and
that that's funny. Lower supply means I'm you're not going
to see it very often. Lower demand is the reason
why it's in the dollar box. Is if it's high
demand and low supply, it's wow. I mean it'll it'll
be a big price. Yeah yeah, And that's fun. So
I'm looking for things I haven't seen. Rich does that
to a different degree with his eye for the vintage stuff.
I'll do some vintage, but I already have I already have.
I actually yes, I have gone my manipulated you know,
through my dexterity or handled millions of vintage cards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: It never gets told, but it's it's still in the
in the dollar box, I'm looking for stuff that I haven't.
Speaker 2: Seen, right right, Yeah, that's yeah, that's cool. That's I mean,
I'm kind of in a similar boat there with the
dollar box stuff. It's just kind of like random stuff
that I think is cool. I mean, like, I come
from the graphic design world, where like that's what I
got my my bachelor's degree in. Then I'm got my
master's in marketing, and so the graphic design was really
what drove me into sports cards, and then the market
kind of followed as a secondary thing, but it was
kind of all that stuff is just very interesting to me. So,
you know, Rich, I kind of ad one of the
same question for you, Like if so, go ahead, doctor.
Speaker 3: Let me finish. I mean, don't assume that that means, Adam,
I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: Beautiful cards, right right.
Speaker 3: I like ugly cards too. In fact, sometimes low demand
cards are are are ugly, But if they're low supply
and low demand because they're ugly, I may still pick
them up because you know they're they're low.
Speaker 2: Supply, right, Maybe the unique, more unique right.
Speaker 3: Not every insert concept works equally well, some are body
or or.
Speaker 1: You know, primitive right exactly?
Speaker 2: You know, Rich, I guess I'll kind of ask you
a similar question, like when you're going to shows, Like
you said, you just mentioned that you were you were
at a show recently like this past week or actually
maybe either maybe yesterday.
Speaker 4: It was yes today afternoon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what was it that you were like looking for?
I know you had mentioned to us before the show
that you spent your whole budget at the show, So like,
what was it that you were looking for or were
you looking for anything? And you kind of were just
going with the flow.
Speaker 4: I go with blows. I don't look for things. Specifics
is so wide. I stayed. I stayed in the baseball
and I could have done and the best I'm going
to put in again air quotes bargain and I read
and I was fighting myself when I found there was
a twenty twenty six Heritage All Star that you know,
just because they used the same as twenty as nineteen
seven the tops and I knew there was an All Star.
No variation of Riley than when I'm going through the boxes,
Oh that's the All Star variation. Okay, I'm buying that,
and I you know, and I think Beckett I priced that.
So that's very fresh and the bargain. The box had
a nice and the guy had a nice bold way
of a card, and I found twenty five cards and
he had broken the down cards cost me theeen dollars
and the Beckett book value, which I think is the
real value, and that is ten dollars. So I was
very happy with that card. I figured at this point everything.
But that's something I knew, you know, I get that
because Jim and I both have the ability to know
what we've not seen, and I recognized the meiate that's
a different design. Okay, that's that's a good card to me.
And both of us look for stuff we have and
sometimes we're wrong, and that's okay because when you're in
the value bock cost is minimal. In fact, I actually
had two pol yesterday. Our friends and you've gone to
his he has garage sales at his house. He's got
a nice house, he's rentings, full of bits with everything,
and we've both gone to his house during his garage
sale to buy car. And you know, he had a
box and some of this was a dollar you know
I'm looking okay, okay, it's a dollar. And I knew
there were some two thousand and seven gouty short ins
of Hall of Fame. They booked five or six dollars,
but I knew they were shorter. And he goes to me,
by the way, rich, any two dollars bar so, And
I bought those, even though the percent isn't great. It's like, okay,
I know those are shorter cards. I'm okay, yeah, And
that's what I And that's what you mean by go
with the flow. It's not like I'm looking for county
short prints from two thousand and eight. When I walk
into the Hall of Famers, they were short of it
was out of the brew. And I bought some other
things like them, thinking okay, this is the type of
stuff I like to buy it it's it's okay, it's
a base card, but it's a short print. And I
bought some of The guy who Jim and I knows
worked with done a lot of autographs, and he looked
through what I bought and I bought like in his
base because I didn't think I had one, And I
bought some Yamamoto based run I didn't have and they
are a sixty six. I don't buying BAS cards when
they're very solective. I don't want to buy huge lots
of base I've gotten enough BAS cards over his donat.
I don't like sports, but I will deal with very
spec you know, Jim talked about this. He ended up
with a pallet of the cards from Nationals and but
he did very well with them and people. I had
two people I standing and the other guy asked me
how you buy? Why why are you buying? And I
explained the return on investments very good. Plus you know
with the inventory that it makes your eBay lots. You
know it's just up the eBay lot, and that it's
actually a good business model. And he's figured it out
what how to make it. I can't make it work
as well as he can, but he knows how.
Speaker 3: To make it. So it's a return on enjoyment too.
Speaker 1: Yes, I and h less Again.
Speaker 3: I want to give a shout out to Rich because
it was almost it was almost exactly a year ago.
I think I think it was last may Or June.
Rich said there's a garage sale that you've got to
come to. He told me who it was, and so
I went to the address. It was a twenty minute drive.
I get there and not only is the garage completely
the garage, it was completely full of cards, the two
car garage that there were tables out into the driveway. Okay, however,
here's the punchline. It was like a three or four
bedroom house. Every bedroom was full of cards.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the kitchen was full of cards. It was it
was a house of cards. Literally. I don't you he
couldn't rent it out. I mean it's it's it's a
storage house for his for his his cards and there
everything was priced a little bit high, you know, but
but he made deals and so that was that was fascinating,
Thank you, rich. But he it must not have been
that successful because he hasn't done it for the next year.
Speaker 4: And I don't think Raymond's worked more than Raymond. Raymond
was alerting me, our friend, Raymond was alerting me. And
if Raymond works.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and if anybody also, if anybody has any questions.
But if anybody has any questions here as we wrap up,
just drop him in the chat. Oh sorry, go ahead, Rich.
Speaker 4: No, it's just a cool house. Because everything it seems weird,
but everything will organized.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, yeah, yeah, if if like I said,
like I was just saying, if you if any other
questions we're wrapping up here, make sure you drop dropped
some question in the chat. I thought this was an
interesting one that I kind of want to expand upon
a little bit. So, I mean, I'll ask you doctor
Beckett this, like, so you know, we've seen obviously whatnot
and I think TikTok shop and eBay Live and fanatics live,
a lot of the dollar auctions and these singles markets
are kind of I don't know, I don't I don't
know if I don't want to say necessarily driven by
a lot of these like cards that you can find
in dollar boxes. Like so I want to expand upon
this question here. Do have you seen a change in
cards that you're finding in those dollar boxes or like
what have you seen a change? I mean, I guess
that's maybe the question there for view doctor Beckett.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, people are smart. These live selling platforms really work, yea.
And if you're buying for a dollar or less and
you're starting something at ninety nine cents and you know
they're paying the postage and they're they're bundling and they're
having fun with it. Yeah, they're that stuff is not
in there as much a few years ago, three four
years ago, for sure, that was in there, that deal
that Rich was talking about, uh from from four years ago.
There was a lot of that stuff in there because
I bought I bought out the guy's whole whole thing,
and so there were a lot of bass cards in there.
But there are base cards of good players, and yes,
that does sweeten my my eBay. Lots that are by player,
but they're not tough cards, but they're they're nice looking,
they're good. But that not happening anymore. That's not happen anymore.
Those cards. In fact, if it would be there on Thursday,
it won't be there on Sunday. And so there's a
lot of people that frequent the dollar boxes that go
by go by the player. And that's a tough way
to do it because you know, you're you know, well,
you just have to think I want these players. If
I see it, I'll pick it up. And a bunch
of people do that, but I don't. I don't. I mean,
I'm more likely to pick out the obscure.
Speaker 2: Guy, right, Yeah, yeah, I think another another interesting go ahead.
Speaker 4: You know, when we who has value dollar box of
why Dallas cards show the other Kevin. So I'm alerting
Gym to that, so he knows to be a canon.
Uh is he usually doesn't see a card for a
year after it comes out because he only buy. He
isn't by waiting and then when it comes to and
that's his value. He almost never has a current card.
Speaker 3: And even when he buys collections, he's letting the smoke
clear a little bit, yeah, which which is actually that's
what I do with hockey. You know, if I get hockey.
When I bought some hockey collections, I just set him
aside for it, because hockey, you know, you gotta let
let it percolate and see what young stars emerge and
then bring it out gradually, Right, Phil.
Speaker 4: The funniest and phantoms and sports is our friends. And
one of the things is okay, See Kevin is one
of three Kevins with value boxes at the Dallas card show. Kevin,
you're thinking of Kevin, Yeah, this is a third Kevin's
the Kevin who had the pod that's there any valuable,
the Kevin who and there's a third Kevin who's local
to Dallas. It's just it's amazing. There were three guys
at the battles cards.
Speaker 2: All value Yeah right, yeah, like yeah small small. Sometimes
you know, we we forget how small the world is.
Sometimes where it just happens that, you know, the three,
like you said, three Kevin's all are doing kind of
the same thing. I thought this was also another interesting
question here, And you know this is maybe I don't
know if they're referencing any specific card. I know that
like the Brunts and Silver has got it's more than
Luca right now, Like the PSA ten Jalen Brunson Silver
Prison Rookie is more than what Lucas is. So how
do you determine whether or not to sell a card
that has exponentially exploded in a market like this? I mean,
you know, I don't necessarily have as much experience buying
and selling cards, but if you see a card going
up in price, I think it's you know, you probably
want to sell it. And I mean, doctor Beckett, I'll
maybe I'll ask you this question, like I don't know,
like the the selling of cards, is there like a
percentage that you look at where you say, if this
card goes up amount, I'm going to sell it? Or
is it again. Is it maybe just similar to your
dollar box, where it's just like you're just kind of
going with the flow and it's just the feel of things.
Speaker 3: Guys again newsflast year. I am a hobbyist now, so
I don't really think about that. I buy cards, I
sell cards. I don't strategically. I guess I have some
stuff that I've had for a long time that I
don't want to sell. But it's not because it hasn't
gone up. It's not because I think it's just because
I like the card. So I am a hobbyist. If
you're in business, though, the philosophy's of business. More people
now want to get in and get out of stuff,
want to take the profit. And that's not the way
it was fifty years ago, but it is the way
it is now. You see a lot more velocity of
sales being important. But I don't think that's the industry.
To me. The hobby is I just got this card.
I'm enjoying it. You know, eventually I'll sell it. I
have no coffin cards. They're going to be eventually sold.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then you know, like you said, you had fans
in the stand sports says sell it when it's hot.
I think that's you know, you can never You're never
going to lose money in the sports card industry selling
selling a card that went up. Also, want to give
a shout out to Jeremy Lee saying, what's saying hello
to everybody in the chat?
Speaker 1: Rich?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess kind of similar question to you,
is it like, uh are you are you kind of
similar to doctor Beckett where you are just kind of
feeling it. If you want to sell a card, you
want to sell it. If not, it's not not something
where you're like, there's a percentage that if it goes up,
you're going to sell it.
Speaker 4: Well, I've never I've never been that. Oh, for all
I talked about, I was always a collector. I was
never one of these guys out you know and somebody
with five hundred eighty Jeffrey. I never did that type
of market back. I'm not doing it today, but there
are some First. Let me give a shout out, Jim.
That was such a fun interest and fun discussion you
had with Jeremy Lee and father's part of your father's
I really enjoyed listen to the full backstory of both
of them. I had no idea Jeremy's rate. Jeremy's dad
is very very well accomplished on his own. Apparently he's
very well accomplished in the medicals. So the apple really
didn't fall far from with Jeremy.
Speaker 3: I got the second half of that coming on Monday
because we talked for an hour and I whittled it
down to thirty or thirty five minutes, and I probably
cut to aggressively, but I know I've captured the essence.
But you know, I had spent the weekend with Jeremy
and Harvey when I was up at the Toronto Sports
Expo and got to know Harvey a little better, and
I thought, this is perfect, you know for the father
son tradition that I've done for the last six years.
So that was great. So they were good sports and
I've got more coming after that, rich colleting some people
you will know. So that's been a fun series.
Speaker 4: The Friday episode. When I saw the Friday episode, Okay,
I know it's good because I believe in Jeremy Lee,
who said when the episodes are more than fifteen minutes,
those are the really good one. So we have that.
I'm looking forward with a Monday and then when we
were talking about there's an old standard you sell an
upmarket into it. And one of the Rob Virus has
said in the you know Burbank and has forty two
in cards and doing just fine with I think he
says he's got thirty five million. Is that he bought
aggressive and he had the money in his family. His
dad was great. But he bought aggressively during the ninety
five strike because he figured the market would come back.
And my friend Teddy Straka said he made his business
and he really developed during the same time again put
capital into it instead of selling. He got aggressive as
I can buy these cards, really let me and because
the market will come back, but it's slow or not.
And so it's the same principles selling to market. I mean,
there are certain exceptions. You don't buy Wander Franklin right
because Wander's career is basically done, you know, and it's
a sad store. But that's that's an example where I
don't think you know the overall level. If you have
the player the great right you see twenty two, twenty three,
and then the major slide down, it might be still
worth it. If there are a top prospects to buy
the card. And so you have that and so it's
the same principle. I've never really done that, but that's
one of the joys of value box. Do you see
who's cold? Oh you're not.
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Not enymore at least yeah, right, yeah. I think that's
kind of one of the Probably an interesting thing that
you've seen, doctor Beckett, is the players that have come
and gone from those dollar boxes. I mean, I bet
you probably at one point that were Joheotani's in there,
but when he was on the Angels, not so much
when he's been on the Dodgers, because since he's been
on the Dodgers, he's I think he's won the MVP
or at least been in the MVP conversation every year.
So it's probably interesting to see the differences, is the
differences in the quality of players that are in there.
And you know, like you, like you said, doctor Beckett,
like with the rise of the live selling platforms, all
of those players who maybe made it into dollar boxes
are now just I mean, because essentially that's what you
sort of are on these live platforms, is you're kind
of looking through dollar boxes. I mean, if they're doing
these fifteen second auctions, I mean, for you you're probably
flicking through the cards pretty quickly, but like the fifteen
seconds on one card, you know, there's a chance that
you could get somebody good or you know, maybe you're
just getting whatever you're looking for. But it's you know,
it's it's definitely probably an interesting change in players that
have been in those boxes.
Speaker 3: No, Adam, it's a it's a fifteen millisecond right, yes,
price live selling platform. When I go to the dollar box,
it's fifteen milliseconds, and I just make a pile these
I want and usually have a pre arranged deal. If
I get a huge pile I get, I get an
additional discount, and so yeah, it's it's very impulsive. So
I'm not timing the market. I'm just saying, is this
a good deal right now? I'm not worried about well,
this show is a little bit worse than the last one,
or boy, things have really gone up. It's just it
is what it is, and so it's it's my version
of what except I'm not bidding. I'm only bidding. I'm
only bidding in the sense there's a guy on my
left and a guy in my right, and one of
them is looking at stuff that I haven't seen yet
and might take some stuff that I would have wanted. Yeah,
but frequently they don't because guys, there's different.
Speaker 1: Lanes right right, Yeah, I'm not really.
Speaker 3: Competing against anybody, and that's wouldn't you rather buy? Would
you rather have less competition?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right, right, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I guess this this this question. I
feel like with our show. I feel like, hopefully our
show is a place where people can come and you know,
share positivity within the hobby. I think, you know, it
is tough. I mean, I think it's you know, when
there's news or when there's things in the hobby, it's
like everybody, you know, you're never gonna make everybody happy
within the industry, and I think the loudest voices that
sometimes can be the most negative. Unfortunately, I think positivity
sometimes is not is not as loud as the negativity
at times. So you know, I'm hoping that this show
can be one of those places that people can come
andind of the you know, talk about cards and enjoy
enjoy stuff. Rich Sorry, Wretch, I think I cut you
off there with.
Speaker 4: The same value box and there'll be some cross but
about ninety to what I pull out he and pulling
out and about right. That's what he's saying, you know.
And that's the thing. There's you know, the old saying,
different stroke of folks, but different cards for different folks too.
And that's just in the most of us in the
value box world. It's amazing. There's a cadre of us
at the Dallas most of us, and most of us
stay out of each other's right. Nobody is super hyper aggressive,
and usually if they're hyper aggressive, they calm down because
they realize the rest of us aren't.
Speaker 2: Going to tolerate right exactly exactly the hobby right.
Speaker 4: You have to be the positive if you know them.
You know the old saying contenters. Yes, negativity is great,
but I hear wax packs, hero whatever really good. He
does a Sunday around the hobby show. But he always
specifies at the very beginning of if I'm telling you
something negative about the industry, that that does not mean
that the hobby needs to be bad. If you enjoy
the hobby doing X y ors, this is just what's
going on the industry. Your hobby level is different than
the industry. We didn't have any industry week. I think
the positive show about being, and you know, negativity sells
positivity self. You know, it's not sure, we're not sugarcoating it,
but to know good in the hobby, the hobby overall.
I went to CC as I said a TCO last night.
I will tell you most of the PTCG show are
friendlier than most sports car and it was fun and
I chat with a few of them. I'll say, no, no,
I'm a sports car guy. I'm just here to learn
a little more about just to get a told drifted.
But then they're fine with Okay.
Speaker 3: Adam, let me speak to the negativity thing that Phil
Pierce brought up, and that is that negativity. I welcome
negativity if it's from somebody that's talking about their experience
where they were personally burned, and if I was part
of that, then I'd want to know. But the negative
ants where the person didn't have any skin in the
game is that this shouldn't be that way or something
like that. That's different. That's different, and that's that's discouraging
people instead of saying if your negative, if your negativity
is I did this and I got a bad deal
and I just I just want to vent. Okay, if
there's enough specifics there where people can learn from that,
then that's fine, that's fine. But a lot of the
negativity is anonymous negativity about rumors and things like that,
and that I think that's what's not helpful.
Speaker 2: Right, And well, I don't I don't mean to do
necessarily self promotion here, but I do feel like, you know,
if I am being negative in some type some type
of comment, some type of content, necessarily it's I think
that most of the time the negativity, at least from
my perspective, I try to at least give a solution
or something how I would fix the thing that was
wrong with whatever happened. I mean, I don't know. I
mean I think that there are you know, if if
you search for different content creators, you're gonna find people
who were pups, You're gonna find people who are negative.
I think it's, you know, unfortunately, it's just it's an
industry where there's so much news and there's so much
stuff going on all the time that you know you'll
find I don't know, it's tough. It definitely is tough
to find sometimes, but you know, it's it's you can
find it, I guess, And it's kind of maybe it's
harder to find at times, but I think that there
are people who, you know, I think all of us
on the panel here are you know, more towards the
positive side of things, and rather than the negativity. We
try to at least you offer a solution or we
offer some sort of different perspective on things. I think
then maybe some of the things that are just you know,
everything is bad, everything stinks, it's you know, it's sometimes
there's stuff like that, but I think you know, it's
not always left for sure.
Speaker 4: Give an example from when I worked for if somebody
came to the Beckett booth or to Beckett sucks, Bechtt
is killing the hobby, the first response is you tell
us how we're doing it right. All they said, you
guys are just bleeping bleeping, we would ignore them. But
if the guys say, you guys are bleeping me because
you don't stand Jason like Jason Terry was, Grant Hill
should not be going to have a down arrow he's
going to be rookie. That is a specific thing we
could really deal with. You know. If it was a
specific thing that was okay because they were saying, here's
your app and do a deeper dive. If you have
to say, okay, you guys, this is why we have
the hehicle, evidence why that card should have gone down
or why not? Always very but if it's you guys
are killing the hobby. No, no, no, the hobby is still
here thirty two years later. We obviously did not give
a hobby off right right.
Speaker 3: But to my earlier point, that person that's criticizing about
Grant Hill as a stash of Grant Hill. So a
lot of times if you were if you were to
declare your personal biases before you went into your negativity,
then you'd have context. You say, Okay, well that's unfortunate,
but that's not the We have an empirical price guide.
If it's selling for a lesson the air, the eras
go down. So we're kind about a time, So let's
leave some stuff for next Saturday.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely here So yeah, we'll we'll just
go back around the horn one more time. Anything anything
you want to promote doctor Beckett, anything you're looking to
what you got coming up for the week, you know,
anything you're looking to promote here.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got Jeremy in the audience. I just want
I want to promote my Monday podcast with Jeremy and
his dad. It's gonna be a lot of fun. And
as I think Mookie knows that Greg Miller is up
on deck after that with his dad Michael, so nice.
And then I've got a couple more so I'll just
tease that. So I rarely promote, but since I'm preaching
to the choir here, right, I'll let her rip. But thanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, definitely go check definitely go check out
doctor Jen's podcast. Rich anything that you got coming up,
anything you want to promote.
Speaker 4: Next Saturday, our next our synagogue, Labor Day remote next
Saturday from the Last Empire. They're having their grand opening
and I do a weekly and Lawrence the owner had
a showcase the two showcase of PSA of cards just
for ps A A. I don't want to get in.
That's not the cards there were, and those cards mostly
at the at the of the grand open Saturday. Plus
there's not that far from the meander my way up
then Jim, there'll be a card show. There'll be at
least one perth of value that I know there will
his value box pretty good, he does. His value boxes
have been Raymond, I'm sure there with his value and
I think that will be fun. And then the grand opening.
I haven't tried to see how far away, but if
it's a Denton card show and there's a store opening
in Denton, it can't be that far. So that would
make a fun hobby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep. And we'll be back here for episode
three ninety two on four Collectors Hobby Hotline. Like I said,
three ninety two, make sure you come back here. If
you want to find my content, it's just Adam Drew
Palmer on you know, any platform, any content platform you
can think of, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, all those places.
Speaker 1: So I want to.
Speaker 2: Say thank you to everybody for watching. Thank you everybody
and comments. We will see you all next week. Thank
you so much. I have a good one.
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