WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.080 --> 00:00:09.039 Joining you and I now. By the way, Reds Baseball 2 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:11.039 kicks off about six ten the night the Reds are 3 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:13.560 in Atlanta with the Braves. But until then, more important 4 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:17.039 events are transpiring Thursday and Friday. Joining you and I 5 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:19.559 now is the Chief of Police of the City of Cincinnati. 6 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:23.320 Chief Thiji held a news conference last week with Charmaine McGuffey, 7 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:26.600 who's going to join us later and once again Chief 8 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:30.000 of Police Fiji. Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. 9 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.439 And first of all, Chief, can you tell me what 10 00:00:33.479 --> 00:00:36.560 you can about the events that transpire Thursday and Friday 11 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:39.880 and what impact this has had on law enforcement, not 12 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:42.520 just in Cincinnati or Hamley County, but throughout the tri State. 13 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:45.520 Sure, thanks for having me, Bill. 14 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:50.200 So as I reported out at the press conference on Friday, 15 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:56.960 this was the first incident involved the stolen vehicle, where 16 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:02.359 four individuals ran from the car, officers chased him. One 17 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.799 was armed with a firearm and confronted an officer. 18 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:10.239 The officer viewed. 19 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:11.480 That hit was at the. 20 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:18.480 Ryan Hinton's possession of the firearm as a threat, discharged 21 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:24.159 his firearm and unfortunately mister Hinton succumbed to his injuries. 22 00:01:24.879 --> 00:01:27.599 You know, Lie circle the globe before before truth and 23 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:30.359 take his first step. And some are saying in social 24 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:34.280 media that there's not a clear video shot of actually 25 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:39.280 Ryan Hinton pointing his nine millimeter with an extended meg 26 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.280 at the police officer, which was an event that took 27 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.959 place probably in less than two seconds. Is it fair 28 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.799 to say that there's not a direct video or a 29 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:51.879 snapshot of Ryan Hinton actually pointing the weapon at the 30 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:54.359 police officer? Is that fair to say? 31 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:55.719 Yeah? 32 00:01:55.760 --> 00:01:57.959 But you know, I will say, Bill, I think one 33 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:02.040 of the most valuable tools in law enforcement in my 34 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:07.799 career his the body worn camera. It has proven facts 35 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:11.719 for us many many times in law enforcement all across 36 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:15.840 the country. In this incident, we do not have a 37 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:20.840 crystal clear still photo of mister Hinton pointing a firearm 38 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:25.879 at the officer. However, what we do have is mister 39 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:28.159 Hinton running from a vehicle with a. 40 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:29.120 Firearm in hand. 41 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:33.599 He stumbles, he still has the firearm in hand. He 42 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:40.319 runs between the two dumpsters, comes out at the officer's 43 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:45.560 position where the officers positioned, and once mister Hinton was 44 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.960 sustained his injuries, the firearm was still in his possession 45 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:52.520 and was located. 46 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:55.240 Near his body. So while we may not have a 47 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:57.319 crystal clear photo, we. 48 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:02.719 Have the facts prior to his injuries and the facts 49 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:06.319 after his injuries that support he was in fact armed. 50 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:06.840 With a firearm. 51 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:12.680 That along with the officer's interview that said he saw 52 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:15.680 a firearm in mister Hinton's hand, pointed in his direction 53 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.280 and he feared for his life and that's why he 54 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:19.240 fired his weapon. 55 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:21.159 Was there around in the chamber. 56 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.719 That is all still up to for investigation. Bill, That 57 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.960 is all still being handled by our criminalistics and the 58 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:32.800 Hamilton County Prosecutor's Office. I'm not going to comment on that. 59 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:35.000 Was there a second gun in the car that was 60 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.879 stolen the Kia? Was the gun in the possession of 61 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:39.520 Ryan Hinton one of the two guns? 62 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:42.400 That is correct? 63 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:47.159 There was a second stolen firearm that whoever had that 64 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:49.439 one when they ran from the vehicle, they left that 65 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.479 behind inside the stolen Kia. 66 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:52.560 Correct. 67 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.000 Social media may say there's some purposeful intent not to 68 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.000 show the moment where the weapon was pointed. As I 69 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.120 understand it, we're dealing for how much time e laughs, 70 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:06.840 from the time the officer said gun, gun, gun, and 71 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:08.960 at that point you're trained to pull out your weapon 72 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.000 at that point because gun gun gun means you're going 73 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:13.759 to be in serious situation. How much time elaps from 74 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:16.319 the time the officer said gun gun gun until the 75 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:19.519 fatal shot was fired into the body of Ryan Hinton? 76 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:21.199 Was it a short period of time? 77 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:23.360 Yeah? 78 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:25.399 Six seconds? 79 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:27.079 Six seconds? 80 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:28.040 That goes quick. 81 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.399 And you referenced this Chief Thiji that I can recall 82 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.199 many years ago, the police in Cincinnati did not like 83 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.959 having body cams because it was saying, this is too 84 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:40.199 intrusive in my life. Isn't it extremely valuable to be 85 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:44.240 able to show the video almost in real time to 86 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:47.120 demonstrate the actions of the police officers. Isn't this a 87 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:51.199 critical element that shows the community that well exactly what 88 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.319 happened instead of words on a page. Anyone can look 89 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.439 at the video camp put themselves in the position of 90 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:59.319 that police officer and say what would you do. Isn't 91 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:02.120 the video cam I'm a critical part of this entire investigation. 92 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:09.600 Absolutely, it is, absolutely, it is critical. It shows as 93 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.399 much of the story as we can tell, and then 94 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:18.000 you have to add to that storyline the witnesses accounts 95 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.720 of what happened, being in this case being the officers. 96 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.040 And Chief Fiji as far as showing the video cam 97 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.720 to the family In the past, that wasn't always done 98 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.160 subject to a grand jury subpoena until all the information 99 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.240 is out. Why did you and the city administration make 100 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:38.720 a decision to show the video of the officer's bodycam 101 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.759 to the family, including Rodney Hinton? Why was that decision 102 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:44.160 made as opposed to waiting. 103 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:49.480 Yeah, so, actually, Bill, this is something that Chief Isaac 104 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.639 started when he was here, and it is a very 105 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:58.519 difficult conversation to have with somebody's loved one to tell 106 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:03.319 them the facts of what occurred and show them the video. However, 107 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.439 as difficult as that conversation is, I think it is 108 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:12.800 extremely valuable so that one the family doesn't start hearing rumors, 109 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.519 that they hear facts from us first, and two that 110 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:20.000 they do not for the very first time see. 111 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:21.920 The footage on the local news. 112 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.319 I would never want to be in that position as 113 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:28.199 a mother or a wife, and I would never want 114 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:31.519 to put anybody else in that position either. The least 115 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.120 I can do for them is meet with them, offer 116 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:37.519 my condolences and tell them what happened. 117 00:06:38.519 --> 00:06:41.759 You know, Monday back. Monday morning quarterbacking is always one 118 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.800 hundred percent accurate Is there any sense that the father, 119 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:49.160 Rodney Hinton. Media reports indicate that he left that meeting 120 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:53.879 the next day quickly in a rage. Can you comment 121 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.920 on whether or not the father expressed outrage at the 122 00:06:57.279 --> 00:06:59.399 killing of a son by the police officer or you 123 00:06:59.439 --> 00:06:59.959 present for them. 124 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:07.399 I was there when mister Hinton left the room. I 125 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.560 did not see him or view him in any type 126 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.240 of a rage. 127 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:13.279 He stepped out. 128 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.439 It was a difficult conversation to hear. You know, his 129 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.399 son was no longer with him, and so it was 130 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:23.519 a very difficult conversation for him to hear, and he 131 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.879 chose to leave the room, which is understandable. 132 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:28.759 Did he express outrage of the police for killing his son. 133 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:34.639 I'm not going to get into that now, Bill, because 134 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.079 this is still an ongoing investigation, and I'll just leave 135 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:38.399 it at that. 136 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.839 Wait, was there you had no sense that this meeting 137 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.360 with the family that something ugly was about you. He 138 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:49.639 didn't express any verbal threats against police when he left 139 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:50.000 the room. 140 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.360 Again, I'm not going to get into anything that occurred 141 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.920 inside that room other than the fact that we shared 142 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:58.800 the video with them in the facts of the incident. 143 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.959 All right, Chief teats you what message would you give 144 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.600 to the community at large, because these are difficult days. 145 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.639 I would assume the funeral of Ryan Hinton's going to 146 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:10.199 happen in the next few days. I would assume the 147 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.160 funeral of a Deputy Sheriff, Larry Henderson, who gave his 148 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:14.920 life for all of us, is going to be held. 149 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:17.759 What message would the Chief of Police of Cincinnati give 150 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:18.439 to the community. 151 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.800 Yeah, actually I have several messages, Bill. One is I 152 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.199 offer my condolences both to the Hinton family as well 153 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.519 as Deputy Henderson's family. No matter what you think of 154 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.960 these incidents, people lost individuals who they loved and that 155 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:42.159 is extremely unfortunate. The other message that I have is 156 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:48.600 asking for calm in our city, asking for calm, Let 157 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.240 the emotions that your emotions aside and let this play out, 158 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.559 let the investigations play out. And then thirdly, Bill is actually, 159 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.919 you know, these were young individuals in a stolen car 160 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:06.000 with at least one stolen firearm, and you know, the 161 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:10.200 police this is what we've encounter way too often nowadays, 162 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:16.679 way too often, and so I think it's incumbent upon parents, guardians, 163 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:21.639 whomever to know what the youth are getting into. Where 164 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:24.000 are they, what are they doing, who are they with? 165 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.039 And just be more present and try to stop this 166 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:29.559 type of behavior by our youth. 167 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:34.440 Lastly, about a minute remaining, Chief Thji. Wearing the uniform today, 168 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:37.399 it's always difficult. None of us put forth the risk 169 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:40.840 of life or death by wearing a particular uniform, unless 170 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:44.759 you're a police officer, unless you're FBI deputy sheriffs. As 171 00:09:44.759 --> 00:09:47.399 someone that's worn the uniform now for about thirty years, 172 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:50.080 I would assume as we speak this Monday afternoon, you 173 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:53.240 have the uniform arm you have to since I police 174 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:57.559 uniform on your body, do you feel targeted? Do you 175 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:01.000 feel different today than you've felt pre to Friday about 176 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:03.600 being targeted because of the uniform that you wear. 177 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.399 I personally do not feel targeted. 178 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:08.679 Bill. 179 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.919 I am very very proud to put this uniform on 180 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:14.879 it every day. I love what I do for the 181 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:17.879 men and women of CPD and for this city. 182 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:20.399 However, it is. 183 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:24.840 A tough time emotionally for everybody who has some involvement 184 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.360 in this and you know, for our city, this is 185 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:32.399 tragic incidents that happened back to back. It's difficult to 186 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:36.120 handle one tragic incident, let alone two. 187 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:42.879 But you know, our officers are extremely resilient, extremely professional, 188 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.879 and we will take care of public safety business every 189 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:47.960 day moving forward. 190 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:52.639 Chief Thichi, thanks for coming on. Social media is a 191 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.919 blaze with threats against police. I think having your eyes 192 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.279 on a swivel is important today and tomorrow and throughout 193 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.039 the rest of this week, always it should be. But 194 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.639 once again, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, 195 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:05.519 Chief the GI and I appreciate it very much. 196 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.240 Thank you, You're welcome. 197 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.559 Thanks Bill, Let's continue with more. That's the Chief of 198 00:11:10.600 --> 00:11:13.559 Police of course of Cincinnati holding a news conference, and 199 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.600 the city's position these days are to release the body 200 00:11:16.600 --> 00:11:20.279 cam immediately, and of course, when the father saw the 201 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:22.759 video cam within twenty four hours of his son's death, 202 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.320 in my view, he went out seeking to murder a 203 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:30.320 police officer literally ran in Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson. Bill 204 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:37.000 Cunningham News Radio seven hundred WW by Billy Cunningham, and 205 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:40.720 we'll continue to follow the events and involving the murder, 206 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:45.320 the purposeful killing of Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson on Friday 207 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:49.679 at the hands of the father of the perpetrator, who 208 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:53.240 was shot by Cincinnati police officer at being thirty eight 209 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:56.080 year old Rodney Hinton, the father, and I would note 210 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.200 that I have a media availability here put out by 211 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:03.279 the Cochrane Law Firm that the mother and the maternal 212 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.799 grandmother of Ryan Hinton, he's the eighteen year old who's dead, 213 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.879 will address the media alongside their legal team today at 214 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:14.240 three pm. And over the weekend, the attorneys for the 215 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:17.159 state of Ryan Hinton, He's the eighteen year old dead, 216 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.360 issued a statement expressing the family's heartfelt condolences to the 217 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.679 family and colleagues of the officer who was killed in 218 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:28.039 the incident involving Ryan Hinton's father on Friday. And I've 219 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.159 had on before Michael Wright, he's one of the attorneys 220 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.960 with the Cochrane Law Firm. Have a call in to 221 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:35.679 him to join you and I at some point today 222 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:39.000 or tomorrow to talk about the representation of the estate 223 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:42.759 of eighteen year old Ryan Hinton. I'm sure in the 224 00:12:42.840 --> 00:12:45.919 beginning there was a suspicion that the officers had done 225 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:49.279 something wrong, which is always the go to position of 226 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:52.320 many liberals simply have blamed the police officer and a 227 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.440 life and death, split second situation, What decisions were made, 228 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.080 what decisions were not made, and after the News. I'm 229 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.440 going to break down the possible charge against the three 230 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:04.480 that remained, which is Darrell Austin, eighteen years old, and 231 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:09.120 de Anthony Bullocks who's nineteen, and Sincere Grisby who's eighteen, 232 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.159 that was in court this morning. So we're going to 233 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.600 break that down for you later on about what could happen, 234 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.720 what might happen. But also at this point, I think 235 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.639 the new prosecutor's office in Amley County have a big 236 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.399 decision to make, and a little birdie told me they're 237 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.879 going to seek a death penalty specification against the Rodney Hinton, 238 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:29.919 who's the thirty eight year old father of Ryan Hinton, 239 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:34.240 who was in possession of the nine millimeter extended meg 240 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:37.320 weapon that was in his right hand when he was 241 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.720 killed by a police officer in the city of Cincinnati. 242 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:43.120 His name not yet been released, the police officer's name, 243 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:46.200 but one that gets out there in some sense, oh 244 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.840 hell might break loose. I would note that I had 245 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:54.879 met Larry Henderson a couple times at various Sheriff's events. 246 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.240 I often do events of that character with the police 247 00:13:57.320 --> 00:14:01.000 or with Rob Sanders' office, or Charmage mc guffey or 248 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:04.120 sy Lease or Sean Donovan's office or what's happening in 249 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:08.159 Butler County. And I wouldn't note that Larry Henderson had 250 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:11.720 a distinguished thirty three year career Hamny County Sheriff's Department. 251 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:15.799 He had an expertise. He was a trainer. He trained 252 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.320 entire divisions of the office that included hundreds of deputy sheriffs. 253 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.879 He related very well to others. He also was an 254 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.559 academy instructor, a dive team member. He was also part 255 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:32.039 of the SWAT team. Larry Henderson also was on the 256 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:35.679 FBI Task Force and is on the bomb unit. And 257 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:38.879 so it's amazing and so said that Larry Henderson went 258 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.919 through thirty three years of service and the most dangerous 259 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.720 part of the Hamley County Sheriff's Department, which is a 260 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:49.480 bomb unit and the SWAT unit with the FBI, a 261 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:52.840 dive team member, and he met his maker at the 262 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:56.639 hands of a deranged murderer, a cold blood, a killer 263 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.559 named Rodney Hinton, the thirty eight year old father who 264 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:04.039 left the scene of seeing his son killed when the 265 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:06.879 video was shown to seek out to murder a police 266 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:10.639 officer wherever one could be located. Let's continue with more up, 267 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.240 breakdown some of the criminal charges available to all right 268 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:20.840 after the news Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred ww hi, 269 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.080 Billy Cunningham, the Great American And let's continue now. And 270 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.519 I said, let's break down some of the possible charges 271 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.480 that might be happening and what happened in this case. 272 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:30.960 Let's go back to the fact that there may be 273 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:35.200 a video in Northern Kentucky and Edgewood of the key 274 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.080 of being stolen. Is there a video or not? According 275 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.559 to my sources in Northern Kentucky, they're examining it. They 276 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:42.679 don't know the answer to that question. Why is that relevant? 277 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:47.960 Because if one person heisted the Kia and picked up 278 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.480 the other three, did the other three know or of 279 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.519 reason to believe that the key had been stolen? Because 280 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.600 grand theft is one thing, rsp Receiving stolen properties another 281 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.559 Many times a thief is in possession of stolen property, 282 00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:04.000 but he's not the one that stole it. Be new 283 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.639 or should have known he was in possession of stolen property. 284 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:08.759 That's a different issue. Do we know to answer that question? 285 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.480 The answer is no, we don't know. Do we have 286 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:15.039 a video in Edgewood, Kentucky of four individuals stealing the 287 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.039 Kia one, two or three, we don't know. And then 288 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:20.879 the clothing Allegedly it happened within a few hours of 289 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.639 the theft, and so the clothing would probably be the same. 290 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:25.480 So you don't need a clear shot of a face 291 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:28.360 if you have a certain kind of clothing or marks 292 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.519 on the body of a thief that was wearing blue 293 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:33.840 jeans and they have a sweater on short sleep, so 294 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.440 you can hook that up. That takes a little bit 295 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:39.559 of time. So stay with me on this. So let's say, 296 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:42.759 and for some reason, Kias and Hundi's are are the 297 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.519 items of choice to steal because of their easy self 298 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:50.039 ignition system, which I think has been corrected. I hope 299 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:52.440 it's been corrected. But if you're a thief, if you're 300 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:54.720 a crook and you want to use that car for 301 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:59.720 shall we say, future ventures, which is running into a pawnshop, 302 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:02.200 are using it in some other sort of armed robbery, 303 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:05.000 they can't identify you as the perpetrator through the car. 304 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:07.759 But those who do these things understand they can't keep 305 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.160 the car for a long time. You can't like drive 306 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.759 around the car for a week or two anticipating no 307 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:15.200 one's going to pull you over, because those license plate 308 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.680 and the readers are everywhere right now in which you 309 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.279 can determine that. So is it reasonable assume, therefore, that 310 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.720 those who stole hoisted this Kiya in Edgewood, Kentucky had 311 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.519 the intent on Thursday to commit some other offense and 312 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:31.759 use that vehicle to commit it, whether it was a robbery, 313 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:35.000 a burglary, drive by shooting, a drug deal, or running 314 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:38.839 into a pawnshop and hoisting a bunch of guns out 315 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.839 of that pawn shop. That's a reasonable assumption to make. 316 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:46.319 Those in this business do not steal the cars and 317 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:49.799 then drive them around for weeks or months. No, they're 318 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:53.160 used to commit other offenses. So can we make a 319 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:58.200 reasonable assumption that either Ryan Hinton or Jarrell Austin or 320 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:01.880 de Anthony Bullocks or since here Grigsby they're all eighteen 321 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:04.720 or nineteen years old, knew each other. Of course, good 322 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.759 investigation will demonstrate the relationship they had to each other. 323 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:09.839 Number two, who was the one of the four that 324 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:13.400 actually stole the car? Stole the Kia from Edgewood, Kentucky? 325 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.839 All three or not? Did all three get picked up 326 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:20.720 later by the thief or not? And what was the 327 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:23.880 intent to use that Kia to do what the joy 328 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.759 ride to commit an armor robbery, and that was in 329 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.599 furtherance of a greater felonious conspiracy. You got that issue 330 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.319 sitting out there. In this particular case, the Edgewood, Kentucky 331 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.519 owner had a tracking device on his Kia. He hit 332 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.680 nine to one one. They put it out and it 333 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:43.680 was located because of a tracker and the parking lot 334 00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:47.079 of an East Price Hill condominium project, as I understand 335 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.240 them from the topography Google Earth, there is one way 336 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.599 up the hill and one way out, so when you 337 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:57.400 go in there, you may have certain aspects of privacy 338 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.119 because there's no way in, only one way in and 339 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:05.279 way out. And these four individuals when they parked there 340 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:08.000 for an hour or two, god knows what they were doing, 341 00:19:08.039 --> 00:19:13.039 probably smoking pot or whatever, had apprehensions that the police 342 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.599 units rolled up there because of the tracker device, so 343 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.519 they were specifically looking for that vehicle and it showed 344 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:22.440 to be in an East Price Hill parking lot, which, 345 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.200 by the way, is committing a crime across state lines 346 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:28.440 therefore becomes an FBI becomes a federal matter. You go 347 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:31.400 when you go across state lines to commit offenses. Some 348 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:33.559 were committed one state, some were committed in the other. 349 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.640 There's going to be multiple charges filed. If these four 350 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.079 individuals all were involved in the heightst of the vehicle 351 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:41.599 in Edgewood, that's different than if only one had done it. 352 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:43.640 But I regressed just to bit. Let's go into the 353 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:47.920 parking lot and thinking of what the prosecutor's office and 354 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.160 the police are now thinking. Is the following When the 355 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.880 four individuals were there and the police cars rolled up, 356 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.640 the police did not have their weapons drawn until the 357 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:01.119 word gun, gun gun had been had been expressed by 358 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.519 one of the police officers. From start to finish, the 359 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:08.440 whole event took about six seconds from the time you 360 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.759 hear one CPD officer yell gun, gun gun. When that happens, 361 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:15.880 that is the message to his fellow officers, pull out 362 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:20.480 your service weapon because the alleged perpetrator is armed. And 363 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:22.839 how did they know he had a gun Because as 364 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:24.680 he got out of the car, that is Ryan Hinton, 365 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.119 you can see in the video that he tripped and fell. 366 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:30.119 He might have followed because the extended meg of the 367 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:34.480 nine millimeter hit his hip and so he fell. At 368 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.480 that point, Ryan Hinton had a quick decision to make. 369 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:43.000 Number one, he was involved in grand theft auto at 370 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.200 a maximum, receiving stolen the property at a minimum. Number two, 371 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:50.039 he was in possession of a nine millimeter I would 372 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:54.440 think illegally. You just heard Chief Thiji say that one 373 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:57.960 of the two weapons found there was illegal and the 374 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:59.839 other one might have been there still going through at 375 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.720 to determine zero numbers, et cetera. So when the four 376 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.799 exited the car, there were two guns in the car 377 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.559 and only one was taken by one of the so 378 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.039 called defendants that was Ryan Hitton. He had to make 379 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.960 a decision. Number one, am I going to run? In 380 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.279 today's world, if the four or any of them would 381 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:24.720 have got out of the car put their hands up, 382 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:26.400 that would have been the end of it. They'd be 383 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:28.160 out of prison, they'd be out of jail within the 384 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.720 next six to eight hours. Nothing would have come of it, 385 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.400 zero zilch nod. It would not have occurred because in 386 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.160 today's world, auto theft is not considered to be that 387 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.160 big a deal. But they made the decision not to 388 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:46.200 do that because they had consciousness of guilt. That means 389 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:50.880 that likely the three who are still alive knew they 390 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.319 had committed some felonious act the result of which they 391 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:55.599 wanted to have scowned the jurisdiction. Get the hell out, 392 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:59.279 And so one might say what Number one, Ryan Hinton 393 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:03.400 made the decision when he left the car not to surrender, 394 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:06.319 But he made the conscious decision to pick up a 395 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:10.200 deadly weapon with him, that is the nine millimeter with 396 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.880 an extended mag One can reasonably assume that was and 397 00:22:14.079 --> 00:22:18.160 that was his his weapon, his handgun. And so when 398 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:20.720 he left the car, he made the decision number one 399 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:23.640 not to surrender. Number two, he made the decision to 400 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:29.000 take with him an armed handgun with an extended meg 401 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:34.640