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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday, com Please to welcome back to the fift
Speaker 1: five CARC Morning Show. Formerly did the Politics Extra Common
Speaker 1: column in the Cincinni Inquiry. He then shifted over to
Speaker 1: sports his pasth Today we were talking about the intersection
Speaker 1: of Politics and Sports. Welcome back to the fifty five
Speaker 1: KRCY Morning Show. Jason Williams. Good to have you on today.
Speaker 4: What is up? Brian? Great to be back with you.
Speaker 4: Always always enjoyed being on Todd KRC.
Speaker 2: And you know what.
Speaker 1: I saw the subject matter and that you were on
Speaker 1: my rundown, and I thought I hadn't read the article
Speaker 1: yet and immediately said I knew exactly where Jason's going
Speaker 1: to land on this, and I was right, Rise up,
Speaker 1: Hamilton County taxpayers, Wise up, Wake up, begins your column.
Speaker 1: The Bengals want to want to unveil this this stadium
Speaker 1: remodeling project for pay Corpse Stadium.
Speaker 2: Am I reading this? Is this figure accurate?
Speaker 1: One point two five billion with a B in upgrades?
Speaker 4: That would be accurate in terms of what the proposal
Speaker 4: the commissioners rolled out yesterday. And I'll tell you, Brian,
Speaker 4: I can you know, I'm no public finance expert or
Speaker 4: development expert or anything like that, but I can get
Speaker 4: you an easy, easy, two hundred and fifty million dollars
Speaker 4: out of that by spending about a minute looking at
Speaker 4: this proposal. And I immediately went to this because I've
Speaker 4: been harping on this in my columns on the radio,
Speaker 4: that it's time for the Bengals to build their own
Speaker 4: practice facility somewhere else, just like every other team in
Speaker 4: the NFL. Almost every other team. I believe there's only
Speaker 4: three NFL teams that only that practice right next to
Speaker 4: their stadium. Everyone else practices out in a suburb or
Speaker 4: rural area out away from the home stadium. And so
Speaker 4: that that's one thing like as part of this, now
Speaker 4: that this is this is the state. We thought this
Speaker 4: was the stadium upgrade, right, Brian, Why is then? Why
Speaker 4: is in there then a two hundred and forty nine
Speaker 4: dollar practice facility plus a new team headquarters that's outside
Speaker 4: of the stadium. They see where the current practice fields are,
Speaker 4: they would be building them a whole new, palatial, state
Speaker 4: of the art practice and team team complex where all
Speaker 4: the team corporate offices are. That to me is that's
Speaker 4: that's excess right there. That is something the county should
Speaker 4: absolutely not The county shouldn't be planning that. The county
Speaker 4: let let alone spend any money planning it, let alone
Speaker 4: pay any money for it. That's something the Bengals can
Speaker 4: now you know that that would be on them. They
Speaker 4: can go find their own spot. They can go to
Speaker 4: the suburbs. There's plenty of green space or you know,
Speaker 4: developable land in Warren County and Butler County, even in
Speaker 4: Hamilton County somewhere else. But you would then have to
Speaker 4: work with that local jurisdiction, whether it's the county and
Speaker 4: Warren or Butler or Claremont, or even a Northern Kentucky
Speaker 4: county or specific city of the jurisdiction, for example Blue Ash.
Speaker 4: You would work with those places on a tax incentive,
Speaker 4: and it would be like for them, you know, it
Speaker 4: would be like, you know, the economic development thing where
Speaker 4: you're bringing hey whatever. I don't know how many employees
Speaker 4: the Bengals have, but whatever, seventy five employees. Hey, we're
Speaker 4: bringing seventy five new jobs to the area. You know,
Speaker 4: we always hear about those announcements. So that's how they
Speaker 4: That's how it probably should be a pro I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm not advocating for another tax subsidy necessarily, but I
Speaker 4: am advocating for this getting off the books of Hamilton
Speaker 4: County tax stayers.
Speaker 1: Well agreed, and I guess if they if they negotiated
Speaker 1: a deal with some other county negotiator to deal with
Speaker 1: the Bengals on this practice field. They could also negotiate
Speaker 1: terms of condition to allow them to use that facility
Speaker 1: for their own local purposes, like you know, maybe have
Speaker 1: a high school football game there, or a soccer game
Speaker 1: or whatever, or a concert.
Speaker 2: So and that's what the.
Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys do with their practice facility out Maya, several
Speaker 4: miles away from where their stadium is.
Speaker 2: Well, and that makes sense, I guess.
Speaker 1: Could it not be that the Bengals could just build
Speaker 1: the damn thing next to pay Course stadium and pay
Speaker 1: for it themselves. Going back to your argument, this is
Speaker 1: not the stadium upgrade, I would think, and I have
Speaker 1: not read the multi page original contract we entered into
Speaker 1: with the Bengals here in Hamilton County, but I would think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm as a lawyer, the wheels are spinning
Speaker 1: in my head based upon that. It's like, well, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, no, that is not the stadium. That is
Speaker 1: not a stadium upgrade. It's like the railroad money can't
Speaker 1: go for anything except existing infrastructure. This is something completely
Speaker 1: separate from the stadium.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. And I mean, that's the kind of
Speaker 4: stuff right there that's like if I were, which I
Speaker 4: actually am. I live in Hamilton County and the Hamilton
Speaker 4: County voter and talkspayer like, I'm pretty kicked off about
Speaker 4: that because it's like, all right, the stadium is one thing,
Speaker 4: but then you're going to start getting all this stuff
Speaker 4: outside the stadium and develop mobile, you know, projects around
Speaker 4: the state. No, no, no, no, Like to me, that's
Speaker 4: where you draw the line. I get it. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a premium that you have to pay to be
Speaker 4: an NFL city, and certainly we've paid a very very
Speaker 4: high premium here, higher than most places over the last
Speaker 4: twenty four years of the life of the stadium. And
Speaker 4: for for I don't know, I feel a little bit
Speaker 4: slapped in the face against speaking as a taxpayer. And
Speaker 4: you know, I'm blessed fortunate to have a column as well,
Speaker 4: and it's a great responsibility with that, and I take,
Speaker 4: you know, great pride in doing that column. But I
Speaker 4: just I looked at that and I'm just that was
Speaker 4: the first thing I went to Brian was like, no,
Speaker 4: here's here's the pork. Here's the pork. The pork in
Speaker 4: this project that can be splashed right out of it.
Speaker 1: Well, that still leaves one billion. Assuming that argument holds water,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, we're cutting out two hundred fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars from the project, it's still a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: And the Hamilton County taxpayers are largely the ones that's
Speaker 1: going to be a responsibility for this. But pivoting over,
Speaker 1: as you point out in your column, the state will
Speaker 1: also help put part of a foot the bill for
Speaker 1: part of this subsidy. That means blots out of Hamilton
Speaker 1: County and Ohio, Warren County, Butler County folks out there,
Speaker 1: they're going to be responsible for a chunk too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you can, if you can look
Speaker 4: at it like and this is generally what's happening in
Speaker 4: Buffalo and Tennessee and the general it's you know, it's
Speaker 4: around that forty range as to what the the private side,
Speaker 4: which you know people want to they want to they
Speaker 4: want to separate out. Well, the NFL is going to
Speaker 4: put this in and the Bengals are going to put
Speaker 4: this in. And look at it more like that's the
Speaker 4: private side, that's the Bengals side of things. The NFL
Speaker 4: and the Bengals are one and the same in this way,
Speaker 4: whatever whatever the non public money is, so you know,
Speaker 4: that can be around forty percent. Then you divvy up
Speaker 4: the other sixty between state and local. You know, I
Speaker 4: it's generally probably would be feasible over a long period
Speaker 4: of time, but uh, it certainly. It's just kind of
Speaker 4: it's just kind of crazy to think that this stadium
Speaker 4: cost what four hundred and fifty five million I think
Speaker 4: to build, and now we're gonna pump again pump a
Speaker 4: billion dollars into it. And again I know that not
Speaker 4: all that is the stadium specific. Of course, they had
Speaker 4: to put all those bells and whistles of the development
Speaker 4: around there, and I just I don't know, I think
Speaker 4: that was pretty ridiculous and access by the county to
Speaker 4: do that, and I'm sure it was their way of
Speaker 4: trying to, you know, appease the Bengals and like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, because the Bengals for years have wanted all
Speaker 4: that stuff around the stadium. It's like, nah, like you're
Speaker 4: gonna get You're gonna get a hold basically a whole
Speaker 4: new stadium, and then you you let you let the
Speaker 4: private sector or the county worry about how things go
Speaker 4: outside the stadium.
Speaker 1: Well, it's important elections have consequence at Lisha East and
Speaker 1: East Street House. Stephanie Dumas currently responsible for negotiating the
Speaker 1: new lease agreement. And of course you would think going
Speaker 1: forward it would specify any upgrades relate solely to a stadium. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: Jason Williams, thanks for standing on top of this and
Speaker 1: bring them our attention. Get in touch with your commissioners,
Speaker 1: telling them to protect your best interest. And you know, interestingly, Jason,
Speaker 1: you and I didn't even get to the point where
Speaker 1: we discussed are these upgrades to the actual stadium even
Speaker 1: really necessary? I leave that. I leave you with that point, Jason.
Speaker 1: I'll be reading what you write. Keep up the great work,
Speaker 1: my friend, and thank you for the teacher. We'll talk soon.
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