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<v Speaker 2>Hey forty seven Here fift five KRC Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Wednesday, com Please to welcome back to the fift

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<v Speaker 1>five CARC Morning Show. Formerly did the Politics Extra Common

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<v Speaker 1>column in the Cincinni Inquiry. He then shifted over to

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<v Speaker 1>sports his pasth Today we were talking about the intersection

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<v Speaker 1>of Politics and Sports. Welcome back to the fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>KRCY Morning Show. Jason Williams. Good to have you on today.

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<v Speaker 4>What is up? Brian? Great to be back with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Always always enjoyed being on Todd KRC.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the subject matter and that you were on

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<v Speaker 1>my rundown, and I thought I hadn't read the article

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<v Speaker 1>yet and immediately said I knew exactly where Jason's going

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<v Speaker 1>to land on this, and I was right, Rise up,

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<v Speaker 1>Hamilton County taxpayers, Wise up, Wake up, begins your column.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bengals want to want to unveil this this stadium

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<v Speaker 1>remodeling project for pay Corpse Stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I reading this? Is this figure accurate?

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<v Speaker 1>One point two five billion with a B in upgrades?

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<v Speaker 4>That would be accurate in terms of what the proposal

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<v Speaker 4>the commissioners rolled out yesterday. And I'll tell you, Brian,

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<v Speaker 4>I can you know, I'm no public finance expert or

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<v Speaker 4>development expert or anything like that, but I can get

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<v Speaker 4>you an easy, easy, two hundred and fifty million dollars

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<v Speaker 4>out of that by spending about a minute looking at

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<v Speaker 4>this proposal. And I immediately went to this because I've

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<v Speaker 4>been harping on this in my columns on the radio,

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<v Speaker 4>that it's time for the Bengals to build their own

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<v Speaker 4>practice facility somewhere else, just like every other team in

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<v Speaker 4>the NFL. Almost every other team. I believe there's only

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<v Speaker 4>three NFL teams that only that practice right next to

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<v Speaker 4>their stadium. Everyone else practices out in a suburb or

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<v Speaker 4>rural area out away from the home stadium. And so

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<v Speaker 4>that that's one thing like as part of this, now

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<v Speaker 4>that this is this is the state. We thought this

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<v Speaker 4>was the stadium upgrade, right, Brian, Why is then? Why

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<v Speaker 4>is in there then a two hundred and forty nine

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<v Speaker 4>dollar practice facility plus a new team headquarters that's outside

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<v Speaker 4>of the stadium. They see where the current practice fields are,

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<v Speaker 4>they would be building them a whole new, palatial, state

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<v Speaker 4>of the art practice and team team complex where all

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<v Speaker 4>the team corporate offices are. That to me is that's

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<v Speaker 4>that's excess right there. That is something the county should

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<v Speaker 4>absolutely not The county shouldn't be planning that. The county

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<v Speaker 4>let let alone spend any money planning it, let alone

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<v Speaker 4>pay any money for it. That's something the Bengals can

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<v Speaker 4>now you know that that would be on them. They

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<v Speaker 4>can go find their own spot. They can go to

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<v Speaker 4>the suburbs. There's plenty of green space or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>developable land in Warren County and Butler County, even in

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<v Speaker 4>Hamilton County somewhere else. But you would then have to

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<v Speaker 4>work with that local jurisdiction, whether it's the county and

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<v Speaker 4>Warren or Butler or Claremont, or even a Northern Kentucky

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<v Speaker 4>county or specific city of the jurisdiction, for example Blue Ash.

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<v Speaker 4>You would work with those places on a tax incentive,

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<v Speaker 4>and it would be like for them, you know, it

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<v Speaker 4>would be like, you know, the economic development thing where

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<v Speaker 4>you're bringing hey whatever. I don't know how many employees

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<v Speaker 4>the Bengals have, but whatever, seventy five employees. Hey, we're

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<v Speaker 4>bringing seventy five new jobs to the area. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>we always hear about those announcements. So that's how they

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<v Speaker 4>That's how it probably should be a pro I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not advocating for another tax subsidy necessarily, but I

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<v Speaker 4>am advocating for this getting off the books of Hamilton

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<v Speaker 4>County tax stayers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well agreed, and I guess if they if they negotiated

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<v Speaker 1>a deal with some other county negotiator to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals on this practice field. They could also negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>terms of condition to allow them to use that facility

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<v Speaker 1>for their own local purposes, like you know, maybe have

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<v Speaker 1>a high school football game there, or a soccer game

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<v Speaker 2>So and that's what the.

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<v Speaker 4>Dallas Cowboys do with their practice facility out Maya, several

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<v Speaker 4>miles away from where their stadium is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that makes sense, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Could it not be that the Bengals could just build

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<v Speaker 1>the damn thing next to pay Course stadium and pay

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<v Speaker 1>for it themselves. Going back to your argument, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not the stadium upgrade, I would think, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>not read the multi page original contract we entered into

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<v Speaker 1>with the Bengals here in Hamilton County, but I would think.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm as a lawyer, the wheels are spinning

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<v Speaker 1>in my head based upon that. It's like, well, wait

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<v Speaker 1>a minute, no, that is not the stadium. That is

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<v Speaker 1>not a stadium upgrade. It's like the railroad money can't

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<v Speaker 1>go for anything except existing infrastructure. This is something completely

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<v Speaker 1>separate from the stadium.

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<v Speaker 4>That's exactly right. And I mean, that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>stuff right there that's like if I were, which I

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<v Speaker 4>actually am. I live in Hamilton County and the Hamilton

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<v Speaker 4>County voter and talkspayer like, I'm pretty kicked off about

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<v Speaker 4>that because it's like, all right, the stadium is one thing,

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<v Speaker 4>but then you're going to start getting all this stuff

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<v Speaker 4>outside the stadium and develop mobile, you know, projects around

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<v Speaker 4>the state. No, no, no, no, Like to me, that's

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<v Speaker 4>where you draw the line. I get it. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a premium that you have to pay to be

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<v Speaker 4>an NFL city, and certainly we've paid a very very

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<v Speaker 4>high premium here, higher than most places over the last

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four years of the life of the stadium. And

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<v Speaker 4>for for I don't know, I feel a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>slapped in the face against speaking as a taxpayer. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm blessed fortunate to have a column as well,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's a great responsibility with that, and I take,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, great pride in doing that column. But I

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<v Speaker 4>just I looked at that and I'm just that was

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<v Speaker 4>the first thing I went to Brian was like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>here's here's the pork. Here's the pork. The pork in

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<v Speaker 4>this project that can be splashed right out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that still leaves one billion. Assuming that argument holds water,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, no, we're cutting out two hundred fifty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars from the project, it's still a billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Hamilton County taxpayers are largely the ones that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a responsibility for this. But pivoting over,

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<v Speaker 1>as you point out in your column, the state will

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<v Speaker 1>also help put part of a foot the bill for

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<v Speaker 1>part of this subsidy. That means blots out of Hamilton

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<v Speaker 1>County and Ohio, Warren County, Butler County folks out there,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be responsible for a chunk too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, if you can, if you can look

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<v Speaker 4>at it like and this is generally what's happening in

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<v Speaker 4>Buffalo and Tennessee and the general it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>around that forty range as to what the the private side,

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<v Speaker 4>which you know people want to they want to they

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<v Speaker 4>want to separate out. Well, the NFL is going to

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<v Speaker 4>put this in and the Bengals are going to put

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<v Speaker 4>this in. And look at it more like that's the

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<v Speaker 4>private side, that's the Bengals side of things. The NFL

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<v Speaker 4>and the Bengals are one and the same in this way,

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<v Speaker 4>whatever whatever the non public money is, so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>that can be around forty percent. Then you divvy up

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<v Speaker 4>the other sixty between state and local. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>it's generally probably would be feasible over a long period

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<v Speaker 4>of time, but uh, it certainly. It's just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>it's just kind of crazy to think that this stadium

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<v Speaker 4>cost what four hundred and fifty five million I think

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<v Speaker 4>to build, and now we're gonna pump again pump a

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<v Speaker 4>billion dollars into it. And again I know that not

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<v Speaker 4>all that is the stadium specific. Of course, they had

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<v Speaker 4>to put all those bells and whistles of the development

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<v Speaker 4>that was pretty ridiculous and access by the county to

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<v Speaker 4>do that, and I'm sure it was their way of

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<v Speaker 4>trying to, you know, appease the Bengals and like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because the Bengals for years have wanted all

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff around the stadium. It's like, nah, like you're

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<v Speaker 4>gonna get You're gonna get a hold basically a whole

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<v Speaker 4>new stadium, and then you you let you let the

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<v Speaker 4>private sector or the county worry about how things go

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<v Speaker 4>outside the stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's important elections have consequence at Lisha East and

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<v Speaker 1>East Street House. Stephanie Dumas currently responsible for negotiating the

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<v Speaker 1>new lease agreement. And of course you would think going

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<v Speaker 1>forward it would specify any upgrades relate solely to a stadium. Anyhow,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Williams, thanks for standing on top of this and

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<v Speaker 1>bring them our attention. Get in touch with your commissioners,

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<v Speaker 1>telling them to protect your best interest. And you know, interestingly, Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I didn't even get to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed are these upgrades to the actual stadium even

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<v Speaker 1>really necessary? I leave that. I leave you with that point, Jason.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be reading what you write. Keep up the great work,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, and thank you for the teacher. We'll talk soon.

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