Speaker 1: Welcome Friends is podcast podcasting time show JACKI again Ryan
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Speaker 2: On read.
Speaker 3: Someone is playing a deadly game.
Speaker 2: It all began with the scream over nine one one.
Speaker 3: No, he's taken his love of fear. Hella, hello, Sidney,
Speaker 3: one step too far.
Speaker 2: Any here, never ever, ever, under any circumstances say I'll
Speaker 2: be right back. I'll be right back.
Speaker 3: He didn't make the rules, He just kills by them. Squeam.
Speaker 3: Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is
Speaker 3: Zaki Hassan and Brian Hall.
Speaker 2: Yes, do you like scared movies? I like this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a short list, but this is definitely on there.
Speaker 2: I was wondering with this popping up in our feet
Speaker 2: if people are like, oh, the movie film boys don't
Speaker 2: talk about horror movies very often.
Speaker 3: You know. We like to mix things up every once
Speaker 3: in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I would say, I mean, we've been
Speaker 2: doing this for over a decade now, and I feel
Speaker 2: like we watch a lot more in recent years than
Speaker 2: we used to.
Speaker 3: You know, when people ask him what genres I like,
Speaker 3: I tend to say I'm open to anything good in
Speaker 3: any genre, and that applies to horror as well, absolutely,
Speaker 3: and certainly for Scream, which is the subject of our
Speaker 3: commentary track today. The timing is apropos in a multitude
Speaker 3: of ways. Number One, as we speak, we are on
Speaker 3: the eve of the release of Scream seven seven, yeah,
Speaker 3: which is itself nuts. But we are speaking in the
Speaker 3: year that is the thirtieth anniversary of the first film's release.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which lines up nicely. But we have been talking
Speaker 2: about this one for years. I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's nice to finally be here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and who knows, maybe we are beginning another journey
Speaker 3: through an entire franchise.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, I gotta say I did watch two, three,
Speaker 2: and four, Oh wow, after I watched this one. Really Okay,
Speaker 2: I watched this one a little early to prepare, and
Speaker 2: I had a couple of nights where I didn't have
Speaker 2: anything to watch, and I was like, well, I don't
Speaker 2: remember two very well. So I did two, and I
Speaker 2: was like three, then I did four.
Speaker 3: So wow, See, you're more caught up than me, because
Speaker 3: it's been a minute since I've seen those ones. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah it you know, it was what a time
Speaker 3: capsule this movie is.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, and that's what's so weird
Speaker 2: is because they're still coming out. Yeah, and they still
Speaker 2: have you know, major characters and actors appearing in them.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like it's been as long. But then
Speaker 2: when you really think about it, yeah, this is the
Speaker 2: mid nineties. We're talking about thirty years that is.
Speaker 3: You know, this is a discussion I was having that
Speaker 3: somebody and anybody listening, feel free to correct me if
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, but I feel like this is the only
Speaker 3: horror franchise to have lasted this long and maintain a
Speaker 3: single continuity, right, yeah, right, I think this is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'd be happy to know if anyone is different.
Speaker 3: Because there's there's franchises that have lasted longer, but they've restarted,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes multiple times, right right. But Scream is
Speaker 3: what it is, and I think that's why we like it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting into why we like
Speaker 2: this movie, especially not being horror ficionados.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, hey, let's let's do it. So we
Speaker 3: are going to watch nineteen ninety six is Scream the
Speaker 3: first film, not to be confused with the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: one film also called Scream.
Speaker 2: Right, which is actually Scream five.
Speaker 3: That is a scre five of them, as I call it, yeah.
Speaker 2: Which sounds like the way John Lovets would sneeze five.
Speaker 3: Now there there there was like a like an unrated
Speaker 3: cut released on DVD at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I gotta be honest, I'm a little confused
Speaker 2: about which is the major available version because reading about
Speaker 2: the you know, cuts that they had made I feel
Speaker 2: like I saw those cuts in the version I watched,
Speaker 2: which is labeled as rated R. So so.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm watching the one that's available. I don't I
Speaker 3: have not seen it readily available an unrated cut.
Speaker 2: Same. Yeah, I'm watching the one that's you know, off
Speaker 2: of Voodoo, the one from Paramount Plus, and it's labeled
Speaker 2: as being rated R.
Speaker 3: And it's an hour and fifty one minutes and three seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So that's what we're watching. If you got that handy
Speaker 3: you could, you can cue it up and if you
Speaker 3: want to watch along with this. If not, you know,
Speaker 3: we'll try to do our thing to make the conversation interesting.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we pull you in. But either way, we're about
Speaker 3: to do this. I'm ready, all right, So we'll do
Speaker 3: the usual thing. I will count to three, one, two, three,
Speaker 3: and then play ready, Brian.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Here we go, one, two, three, play Dimension films.
Speaker 2: Even that takes me back.
Speaker 3: That's a blast from the past, right yeah, Beck when
Speaker 3: this was a Disney owned franchise.
Speaker 2: Right wow, Yeah, you know it's funny too. By the way,
Speaker 2: So that scream title card that appears right there, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm used to. I've seen so many of the other
Speaker 2: ones now, I'm used to that more kinetic stylize, you know,
Speaker 2: like a slash coming across the screen and the letters
Speaker 2: coming at you. And so I was I haven't watched
Speaker 2: this one in many years, and so seeing that, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that looks like something made in like
Speaker 2: a Microsoft text program. You know, it just looks so
Speaker 2: right aged versus the title cards we get now, which
Speaker 2: is kind of funny. But I gotta say, I think
Speaker 2: the movie itself, I mean, looking at it right now,
Speaker 2: appears pretty ageless to me. Yeah right, I mean even
Speaker 2: not just the look of the film, but even the
Speaker 2: styles we see in it, Like it doesn't feel overtly nineties.
Speaker 2: I feel like a movie, I mean, Clueless is an
Speaker 2: exaggeration of the nineties. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like big Neon colors, or you know, hammer Pants or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that goes to Wes Craven, who who
Speaker 3: had a similar sensibility with the first Nightmare on Elm Street.
Speaker 3: I think I think that one is more ageless than
Speaker 3: some of the other films in that series. Sure, right, right,
Speaker 3: you know, admit it. I mean, that's the only one
Speaker 3: I've seen recently, is hit the original Nightmare on Elm Street.
Speaker 3: Same Actually, yeah, you know, but you know, you dip
Speaker 3: into the other one. The other ones feel much more.
Speaker 2: Eighties sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You know Wes Craven who was trying to get away
Speaker 3: from the horror genre and it kept getting its claws
Speaker 3: into him. You know, isn't that kind of interesting?
Speaker 2: I mean, he is just synonymous with horror. He's on
Speaker 2: the Mount Rushmore of horror.
Speaker 3: That says to direct horror.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, But I mean creating one of
Speaker 2: the most iconic horror icons of all time. But yeah,
Speaker 2: he wanted to make music of the heart, you know,
Speaker 2: with Meryl Street interesting.
Speaker 3: Which he did do after the first two Screams.
Speaker 2: Finally got to do it. He got the whatever cachet
Speaker 2: back that he needed because he was he was I
Speaker 2: think struggling a little bit before this, right like he
Speaker 2: had he had done. I want to say the Wes
Speaker 2: Craven's New Nightmare.
Speaker 3: Which is good. Yeah, that's a good movie.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed that one. You know, It's funny. I saw
Speaker 2: that one recently too, because they were doing like a
Speaker 2: horror series at my local movie theater and they played
Speaker 2: one and New Nightmare, and New Nightmare feels like it's
Speaker 2: walking toward this movie a little bit, and it's metanists
Speaker 2: and you know, the tropes of a horror film playing
Speaker 2: into the plot. But this, this movie is just perfection
Speaker 2: because it's the marriage of an ex horror director and
Speaker 2: I just I don't want to just limit to horror,
Speaker 2: just like thriller director. I mean, this movie really, to
Speaker 2: me feels more like a thriller mystery than a horror film.
Speaker 2: And you've got this incredibly sharp script from Kevin Williamson, right.
Speaker 3: Kevin Williamson really coming out the barrel hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, although he might not feel that
Speaker 2: way because he had written teaching Missus Tingle before this
Speaker 2: and I know what you did last summer before this,
Speaker 2: which people didn't have any interest in. And then one
Speaker 2: night I guess he was home alone and watching movies
Speaker 2: and I think he watched a documentary or something about
Speaker 2: a killer and.
Speaker 3: The Gainsborough Killer I think it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just all fed into his imagination. And
Speaker 2: then he came up with this script which became super hot,
Speaker 2: Big Bidding War, and then this relaunched the slasher genre, right,
Speaker 2: and so then all of a sudden, you know, the
Speaker 2: script for I Know What You Did Last Summer, which
Speaker 2: nobody wanted, became a hot item after this, which I
Speaker 2: had forgotten. I lumped that in with this era, but
Speaker 2: I had forgotten that he was actually a part.
Speaker 3: Of that, right, But but I mean the version that
Speaker 3: was made, he he didn't really have much to do with.
Speaker 3: That's my understanding.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I can see that.
Speaker 3: Like like he did an earlier draft. I could I
Speaker 3: could be wrong, but obviously just just putting putting his
Speaker 3: name on it, you know from the writer's scream that
Speaker 3: that match. Sure? Yeah, right, right now we should talk
Speaker 3: about Drew Barrymore playing Janet Lee role in this movie exactly. Yes, Now, initially,
Speaker 3: what what got what what got this movie rolling was
Speaker 3: the fact that she was interested in in starring in it.
Speaker 3: They wanted her to play Sydney, and her schedule didn't
Speaker 3: allow for it, so so instead she does the cameo,
Speaker 3: which is so much better, right not it not even
Speaker 3: because like I think she would she probably would have
Speaker 3: been just fine as Sydney, but I think I think
Speaker 3: she was a big enough star that whereas with Nev Campbell,
Speaker 3: who was familiar but not as familiar, there was still
Speaker 3: a sense of danger. I think if Drew Barrymore plays Sydney,
Speaker 3: she's you go in thinking she's gonna make it to
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 2: And she was on the poster, yeah, right, Like that's
Speaker 2: her face with her mouth being covered by a hand
Speaker 2: on the poster, so you think this is a Drew
Speaker 2: Barrymore movie, which is brilliant because then, yeah, it lures
Speaker 2: you in with her star power, and I think it
Speaker 2: adds something to this opening like vignette, right. I mean,
Speaker 2: you could put a really talented actress that you don't
Speaker 2: know as well, and I'm sure she would crush it.
Speaker 2: But there's something about having Drew Barrymore's starlight, you know,
Speaker 2: going off in this whole thing that just really makes
Speaker 2: it this movie pop off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that's something they continued to do with
Speaker 3: the sequels, you know, with Jada Pinkett right in the
Speaker 3: next one, and then and then leave Schreiber in the
Speaker 3: beginning of the third one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then in the fourth one they go
Speaker 2: like crazy meta where it's like a movie with then
Speaker 2: a movie with then a movie all with stars, you know,
Speaker 2: these sort of cold opens. But it's interesting too because
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore was also kind of in a interesting part
Speaker 2: of her career, right, Like she had been a child star,
Speaker 2: obviously she was.
Speaker 3: She was in between wild child flashing her boobs at
Speaker 3: Letterman and hey, I love Flowers and Rain.
Speaker 2: Exactly, I mean exactly that, and she was making stuff
Speaker 2: like Poison Ivy, you know, kind of like a Skinemaxy
Speaker 2: sort of movie.
Speaker 3: And she was one of she was one of the
Speaker 3: Amy Fishers, if I'm not mistake.
Speaker 2: Exactly like a made for TV Amy Fisher movie, I believe, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and which we wouldn't associate her with now, you know,
Speaker 2: she's like Drew Barrymore producer mogul, right, yeah, So she
Speaker 2: had this little dip for a moment there, and then
Speaker 2: remember she was like almost you know, she had four
Speaker 2: lines as like a minor henchwoman and Batman forever.
Speaker 3: Yep, just the year before this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then she just popped right back after this
Speaker 2: with wedding singer and ever after and never been kissed
Speaker 2: and you know, never Charlie's Angels. Charlie's Angels of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. I this opening is so iconic, and it's
Speaker 2: funny to also think of it as like classic now
Speaker 2: because I don't think of it as classic because I
Speaker 2: was there right now thirty years later. This is kind
Speaker 2: of classic.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, this is Marilynd Crane in the shower,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, yeah, that level of iconic. And by
Speaker 3: the way, I should say I didn't know until this
Speaker 3: scene in this exchange just now that Jason Boorhees is
Speaker 3: not the killer in the First Friday of the thirteenth,
Speaker 3: because I had not seen that movie.
Speaker 2: I probably learned that from this too. Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that's this is such a I really am excited to
Speaker 2: talk about this moment. But I mean, this is post
Speaker 2: pulp fiction, right, which is in nineteen ninety four where
Speaker 2: dialogue got a little bit more you know, conversational, right,
Speaker 2: So this is like a really fun it's conversational, but
Speaker 2: it's also menacing, you know, it's sort of like the
Speaker 2: best of all the worlds of this moment.
Speaker 3: You got a little Tarantino, little Kevin Smith.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's meta, it's terrifying. It's referencing movies like
Speaker 2: the That was the thing that happened in the nineties, right,
Speaker 2: people characters in movies started talking about movies, right like Clerks.
Speaker 2: I remember watching Clerks and it was revelatory where they
Speaker 2: were talking about star wars in a movie. That's right,
Speaker 2: because I'm like, well, that's what I think about, you know.
Speaker 2: And so that's what's so brilliant about this. It isn't
Speaker 2: just a slasher movie. This is a slasher movie being
Speaker 2: experienced by characters who are familiar with slasher movies.
Speaker 3: That's right, by the way, this bit right here where
Speaker 3: the killer says, what door am I at? You only
Speaker 3: realize on reviewing how devious that is because he's at
Speaker 3: both doors.
Speaker 2: Yes, because there's two of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's definitely. This is one of those movies that really
Speaker 3: does hold up to rewatch is because you start realizing
Speaker 3: all the ways that that Stu and Billy are laying
Speaker 3: out their their scheme.
Speaker 2: That's that's what makes an interest.
Speaker 3: Story spoiler to anyone listening to us talk through a
Speaker 3: thirty year old movie. But Stu and Billy are the killers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean you can watch it for the
Speaker 2: first time and try to figure it out, which is
Speaker 2: a one of the biggest components about why I love
Speaker 2: these movies is they're mysteries.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, And but then when you rewatch it, Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: trying to figure out which appearance of ghost face is who? Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: And I think I hadn't remembered this. But later when
Speaker 2: the kids are talking, they say that Stu was dumped
Speaker 2: by Casey, the Drew Barrymore character.
Speaker 3: Ah So, because I.
Speaker 2: Was wondering, like, Okay, this is a great cold open,
Speaker 2: but why are they going after her because she's not
Speaker 2: related to Sydney's family or any of that trauma. But
Speaker 2: it's like, well, apparently he was dumped by her, and
Speaker 2: so I mean this could be like a warm up
Speaker 2: for them or you know.
Speaker 3: Hmm makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also, oh you know.
Speaker 3: Please, Well, the the initial warm up was, of course
Speaker 3: Sydney's mom.
Speaker 2: Well that's good point, good point a year earlier, right, and.
Speaker 3: And real quick, actually, while we're talking about which ghost faces,
Speaker 3: which the ghost face that's about to pop up right
Speaker 3: right here in just a second. That is Wes Craven.
Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, this guy right here, that's Wes Craven.
Speaker 3: Oh funny, he took one on the bean as she
Speaker 3: hits him with the cell the not even the cell
Speaker 3: phone on the court list. Yeah, this scene, this scene
Speaker 3: terrifies me. It really does. Just that sense of like
Speaker 3: they're so close, her parents are so close. Yes, it's
Speaker 3: just it's even now. I mean, I'm a forty six
Speaker 3: year old man, I still find this terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yes, And there's that horrifying nightmare feeling where her parents
Speaker 2: are right there and she's trying to call for them
Speaker 2: but you can't get them ways out. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 2: I mean this the opening, this and the ending of
Speaker 2: the movie are really disturbing. Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like seeing this girl killed just feet away from her parents,
Speaker 2: and just thinking about these kids, these maniacal kids playing
Speaker 2: god and just killing their peers.
Speaker 3: And really messed up.
Speaker 2: And then the last act where they're just maiming each
Speaker 2: other and you're just thinking about it, like they're just kids,
Speaker 2: and they're.
Speaker 3: So they're supposed to be in high school. They look
Speaker 3: like they're you know, thirty two, right, right, but yeah,
Speaker 3: they're supposed to be in high school.
Speaker 2: But like that disturbing element I think is good because
Speaker 2: that's what grounds this movie. Yeah, right, because if it
Speaker 2: was just fun, then I don't think this mystery, this
Speaker 2: take on a horror film would work quite right if
Speaker 2: it was just a romp. Yeah, we need to feel
Speaker 2: bad about all this.
Speaker 3: So that's something really essential, right, is that the longer
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties slasher franchises would go on, the more
Speaker 3: people started rooting for the killer exactly right. You know,
Speaker 3: Freddy Krueger became the star, and it's like, what crazy
Speaker 3: way is Freddie gonna kill people? And I find that
Speaker 3: very discomforting, you know, And and I don't think that's
Speaker 3: the case with Scream, partly because there there is no
Speaker 3: ghost face, right, It's not a person, it's a presence,
Speaker 3: and so you're not really rooting for ghost face, right.
Speaker 2: You know, right, like you just want to figure out
Speaker 2: what's going on and you want to need to survive,
Speaker 2: that's right. Yeah. So yeah, I mean every time I
Speaker 2: watch this movie, the opening upsets me, and even the
Speaker 2: ending I find just really upsetting. Just didn't by the
Speaker 2: way that.
Speaker 3: That bit right there, real quick, all right, I mean
Speaker 3: interrupt he says, drive down to the Mackenzies. That's a
Speaker 3: little call out to the First Halloween where Lorie Strode
Speaker 3: says the same thing, right right right, and then and
Speaker 3: then Kevin Williamson, who wrote Halloween h twenty, which came
Speaker 3: out just a couple of years after this, he has
Speaker 3: he has Laurie say drive down to the Beckers.
Speaker 2: So it's oh funny, Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I just I just feel like that's
Speaker 2: part of what makes the upsetting nature of it and
Speaker 2: making these feel like real kids, and we don't want them,
Speaker 2: we don't feel great about them doing these things. That
Speaker 2: is what makes this more grounded and you know, thrilling
Speaker 2: and vital as we're in urgent, as we're as we
Speaker 2: watch them, you know.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So we got a what's his name? Uh, skeet alrich
Speaker 2: Ye looks a lot like Johnny Deppy.
Speaker 3: Clearly he was cast. It's based on his right, Johnny
Speaker 3: Depp in the First Night right down Street.
Speaker 2: Yep, by the way, this whole door closet conceit where
Speaker 2: they bump into each other, so the you know, person
Speaker 2: can't get in the Sydney's bedroom.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking like, ah, what a bed does you
Speaker 2: know watching these movies, even though it's great, it's brilliant
Speaker 2: for the action sequence. But then my brother and his
Speaker 2: wife bought a house and they have this exact situation
Speaker 2: really because sometimes I'll go over there and like house
Speaker 2: it or dog sit or something, and when I try
Speaker 2: to go in through the back, if their closet doors open,
Speaker 2: that door the garage door will bump into it. And
Speaker 2: every time I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, well, I'll be that's really funny.
Speaker 2: It actually does work that way.
Speaker 3: By the way. One thing that you realize on rewatch
Speaker 3: is the whole reason Billy shows up here when you
Speaker 3: think about it, it's to distract Sydney. Yep, because Stu
Speaker 3: is kidnapping the dad. Oh yeah, right, right, because the
Speaker 3: dad wearing the exact same clothes at the end of
Speaker 3: the movie.
Speaker 2: That's right, because he's supposed to be at a conference.
Speaker 2: And then later they say that he never checked into
Speaker 2: that hotel, so he never made it there.
Speaker 3: So you realize like, oh, yeah, that's kind of brilliant,
Speaker 3: and he's.
Speaker 2: Acting kind of weird.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: You know, you could think he's just brooding teen or something,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, there's like a whole thing going on
Speaker 2: downstairs he's trying to keep her from Yeah, exactly, that's good.
Speaker 2: You know. I wanted to call something out that related
Speaker 2: to the first scene, which is I read this thing
Speaker 2: where you know, Bob Weinstein, who I guess produced this,
Speaker 2: did both Weinsteines produce this?
Speaker 3: I think dimension was more Bob's dominion.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's my understanding too, But I guess after watching
Speaker 2: the dailies from the opening because that was the first
Speaker 2: thing they shot, like the first five days of shooting
Speaker 2: was the Drew Barrymore sequence.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: He criticized Wes Craven's work as workmanlike at best. Okay,
Speaker 2: isn't that amazing? And he also said that he thought
Speaker 2: the mask was flat and not scary, and so he
Speaker 2: demanded that they reshoot the opening scene with different masks
Speaker 2: to figure out which one worked best. But it's funny because,
Speaker 2: as we were saying, I mean, that opening scene is
Speaker 2: iconic and the tension is crazy, and like, I look
Speaker 2: to these movies as an example the way I like
Speaker 2: movies to look. Right, you know what I mean they're
Speaker 2: shot with these anamorphic lenses that give it that, you know, distorted,
Speaker 2: highly cinematic feel that I think add to a lot
Speaker 2: of the tension. Yeah, you know, I think the editing
Speaker 2: is really well done. So it's just ironic all these
Speaker 2: years later that Craven was having to listen to that
Speaker 2: as he was shooting, as he was going on to
Speaker 2: make something that everybody.
Speaker 3: Would it's it's it's similar to the type of notes
Speaker 3: that Bob Zamachus had to deal with while while making
Speaker 3: Back to the Future. Right, you know that in hindsight
Speaker 3: are hilarious, you know.
Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, right right? You know it was kind
Speaker 2: of funny and fortuitous. Was last night I was flipping
Speaker 2: channels on Pluto, if you can even call those channels,
Speaker 2: and a scary movie was on Means Brother's Parody, and
Speaker 2: I watched like the first thirty or forty minutes of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I hadn't seen it in a while. I'd seen
Speaker 2: a chunk of it a couple months ago, but now
Speaker 2: having just rewatched screen, I didn't realize how almost beat
Speaker 2: for beat a movie is riffing.
Speaker 3: It's like a mad magazine parody of this movie.
Speaker 2: You know yet right down to the dialogue in this
Speaker 2: scene where you know, he's wanting to like get more
Speaker 2: physical and she's like, would you settle for pg? Thirteen?
Speaker 2: Like all that, I was like, oh wow, it was.
Speaker 2: It was fun to see it riffed, but it's so
Speaker 2: fresh in my head.
Speaker 3: The intro with the Carmen Electra that's that's the in
Speaker 3: the Drew Barrymore rule. That's right. Scary movie. By the way,
Speaker 3: of course, the original title for this one, which it
Speaker 3: kept fairly late into the process.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think all their rap gifts and everything had
Speaker 2: scary movie printed on them, is what I read. I
Speaker 2: read also that they had a high school set up that.
Speaker 3: They have like Santa Rosa, some kind of high school
Speaker 3: in Santa Rosa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they, you know, were all prepared to shoot there.
Speaker 2: But then I guess us the school read the script.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they wouldn't have in the first place. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: just because of how violent it was. I guess what
Speaker 2: I had read. I don't know how accurate this is,
Speaker 2: but they had been under the impression that it was
Speaker 2: a comedy, okay, and so then looking at it again,
Speaker 2: seeing how violent it was, they pulled out at the
Speaker 2: last minute.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: So did you see this We're in the credits, yep.
Speaker 2: Under the special thanks they put no thanks whatsoever to
Speaker 2: the Santa Rosa City School District governing board.
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, apparently they had like a like a a
Speaker 3: kind of kind of a handshake deal and then yeah,
Speaker 3: it all fell through at the end. Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It is funny to watch these so called high school
Speaker 3: kids and be like, they do not, in any way,
Speaker 3: shape orform look like high school kids.
Speaker 2: No, but it was the style at the time, right.
Speaker 3: That's we'll see. That's I don't watch enough like teen
Speaker 3: movies these days to know if that has changed at all.
Speaker 2: Ye, that's a good question.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Right, one presumes that remained the style.
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know. I mean it used to be
Speaker 2: because of like working hours. Right, Like if you had
Speaker 2: an actor who was over a certain age, you didn't
Speaker 2: have to worry about on set tutoring and they can
Speaker 2: only work X amount of hours a day, and so
Speaker 2: instead of I'm hitting a sixteen year old, hire a
Speaker 2: twenty two year old who looks sixteen.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but I mean nev Campbell does not look
Speaker 3: like a teenager. This. I don't know, maybe I'm maybe
Speaker 3: I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, Yes, yes, And I caught like
Speaker 2: two seconds of the movie Valley Girl the other night
Speaker 2: and I was like, these guys look like they're thirty two. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like even older than the
Speaker 2: characters in this movie, at least they Well I don't
Speaker 2: know how it would have felt back then, but now,
Speaker 2: you know, being in my forties, I think they look
Speaker 2: young in quotes.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this Scary movie. It's just so fick
Speaker 2: because that's the one that's fresh in my mind now.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I look at this scene here and I
Speaker 3: imagine the Scary Movie parody version, Yeah, with Sean Wayns
Speaker 3: and with Shannon Elizabeth. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what an amazing shot though, too, Isn't it like
Speaker 2: that just really utilizes the widescreen there and we get
Speaker 2: all those kids lined up from edge to edge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because sometimes I will talk about
Speaker 2: movies now and we're recording this in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: where I'll hear kids talking younger kids, teens or something,
Speaker 2: and I get a little annoyed with younger characters speak,
Speaker 2: you know, like I would say now. To me, it
Speaker 2: feels like this kind of faux improv attempting to sound
Speaker 2: natural style, like very self aware, where they're always.
Speaker 3: Like okay, mumblecore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, they'll say something like that gives
Speaker 2: me the ick? Did I just say that right now?
Speaker 2: You know, like that kind of thing. But to be fair,
Speaker 2: Zachi our era might have been even more annoying because
Speaker 2: I mean, we really think about it, this movie is
Speaker 2: like stepping into that very knowing, yeah, you know, overly
Speaker 2: flowery sort of dialogue. But Dawson's Creek would just jump
Speaker 2: into the deep end of the pool with it.
Speaker 3: A deep end of the creek. Yeah, and well I
Speaker 3: remember a Dawson's Creek where somebody said to somebody like,
Speaker 3: you know, I see a sense of melancholy on your face.
Speaker 3: And I was like, bullshit, bullshit.
Speaker 2: Nobody says that, right, or even I mean clerks, which
Speaker 2: I still adore clerks, but you know, they talk in
Speaker 2: this really yeah, flowery sort of way that's fun to
Speaker 2: listen to, but you would never encounter people just that's
Speaker 2: not casual conversation.
Speaker 3: I think that to some extent, you sort of have
Speaker 3: to look at it like William speak and Smith speak
Speaker 3: and Tarantino speak and Mammut speak and sork and speak,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like you're just in the
Speaker 3: world of this writer, and this is how characters written
Speaker 3: by this writer speak.
Speaker 2: And when they do go well, it's enjoyable, even as
Speaker 2: like crazy as it might eventually get or heightened. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's hard watching or listening to people imitate it and not.
Speaker 3: Do it well. And here's a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But anyway, I'm using this as a moment to
Speaker 2: call myself out for criticizing dialogue that I'm hearing these days,
Speaker 2: because you know, I was forged in this so I.
Speaker 3: Watched this movie, and certainly on rewatch it occurs to
Speaker 3: me that I don't know that that people referenced movies
Speaker 3: as much as they do in.
Speaker 2: This film in this era.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I mean certainly. Now I think we're like,
Speaker 3: we're way past that, h I mean, back then, movies
Speaker 3: still represented sort of a linguo franca, you know, like
Speaker 3: it was it was like a shared vernacular one. But
Speaker 3: even still, I feel like the folks were like, oh dude,
Speaker 3: it's like remember in Silence of the Lambs when this happened.
Speaker 3: I feel like that was a pretty pretty niche group
Speaker 3: even then.
Speaker 2: Which I kind of dig though, because it I made
Speaker 2: it cool, you know, for people like us who knew
Speaker 2: what they were talking about.
Speaker 3: You know what. Yeah, sure, I'll take that. We we
Speaker 3: weren't dorks, so we were cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah and no, But I agree with you ticket well.
Speaker 2: I think about this sometimes with gifts, right, because it
Speaker 2: used to be, yeah, like you know, dorks like us,
Speaker 2: we would reference really deep cut simpsony things, lines that
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with what we were talking about,
Speaker 2: but the feeling matched. I could send you something completely unrelated,
Speaker 2: but you'd understand the feeling from that scene the Simpsons
Speaker 2: and know what I meant in this moment, you know,
Speaker 2: when I was talking to you. And I couldn't do
Speaker 2: that with as many people. But now we're in the
Speaker 2: age where, like memes and gifts, everybody is now using
Speaker 2: those things in movie quotes and even just still images
Speaker 2: of a certain expression from the.
Speaker 3: Office, people who don't know what it's from.
Speaker 2: Right as shorthand, Like it's like it that became to
Speaker 2: speak now for everybody.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: Isn't that nuts?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 2: This by the way where it was shot. I dated
Speaker 2: someone many many years ago who lived up in Marin
Speaker 2: County where a bulk of this was shot, and we
Speaker 2: passed Stu's house. She was like, oh, yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: house from Scream, and I was like, well, I'll be
Speaker 2: darned like it was. I mean, it is out out there,
Speaker 2: out like really out in the country. And so I
Speaker 2: had forgotten, you know, I remember them being in town,
Speaker 2: but like shots like this, I had forgotten that this
Speaker 2: was the location Scream, like and he's rolling hills.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so when I was watching it again this time,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, that looks exactly like where
Speaker 2: we would visit when we'd go see her family.
Speaker 3: Huh. Incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tamala's Bay up in Marin County.
Speaker 3: Nice, not too far from where I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right.
Speaker 3: So Nev Campbell at the time, I mean, this really
Speaker 3: did launch her movie career. Mm hm. At the time,
Speaker 3: she was best known for Party of Five, right, she
Speaker 3: was what's her name, Julia? I think on that show
Speaker 3: did you watch Party of Five? Were your part? Were
Speaker 3: you a fiver? I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 3: the fans of that show are called.
Speaker 2: No, but I remember it pretty well.
Speaker 3: That was definitely zeitgeisty, right exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I saw the ads every week, you know,
Speaker 2: Matthew Fox. Like when when Loss started, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's the guy from Party of Five.
Speaker 3: That's right. You know.
Speaker 2: Jennifer Love Hewitt came from.
Speaker 3: That, right, she got her start there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much everybody from that show went on to
Speaker 3: have a pretty decent career.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't think of the other who's that actress
Speaker 2: she was in Mean.
Speaker 3: Girls and Lacy Shavert? Yeah right, right, right, Yeah, she's
Speaker 3: done all right, she's she's got a steady litany of
Speaker 3: Hallmark holiday movies that she's in.
Speaker 2: You know, I wonder if that's nice just getting to
Speaker 2: live Christmas all year round, hey man, as long as
Speaker 2: the check clears, Oh absolutely, Or if it's like the
Speaker 2: the you know in The Simpsons when they go to
Speaker 2: Itchy and Scratchy Land and they go to that restaurant
Speaker 2: that's New Year's even kill me? Yeah exactly. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: here we go Sydney's counter.
Speaker 3: Poor Randy Man. I was thinking, like, that guy is
Speaker 3: getting tagged with everything in this movie, right, that's what
Speaker 3: you get for being like a weird movie dork. You
Speaker 3: gotta like you gotta stow that shit a little bit.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the question isn't who am I, it's where
Speaker 2: am I? Man, this guy he's just you know. What's
Speaker 2: interesting though, the voice, even though every movie is a
Speaker 2: different person wearing the mask, right, the cadence is always consistent,
Speaker 2: which is one of those things that I think is, well,
Speaker 2: it's the same guy.
Speaker 3: It's Roger L. Jackson doing the voice in every movie.
Speaker 2: But I just mean, in the reality of the movie,
Speaker 2: it's different people speaking through that voice box, but they're
Speaker 2: all doing the same you know.
Speaker 3: And well, and I think that's sort of the genius
Speaker 3: of how like ghost Face is just an entity exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, I wouldn't change it. I mean, that's what I
Speaker 2: show up for. I want to hear that voice. I
Speaker 2: wonder what that guy can command now, because they're gonna
Speaker 2: do without him.
Speaker 3: That's a good point. Well, he's a voiceover artist's he
Speaker 3: also plays Mojo Jojo and Butch on The Powerpuff Girls.
Speaker 3: Oh so he's done. Okay, he's been in every Scream.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the new one, but I suspect he's
Speaker 3: he's in that one too, right, right, I I should
Speaker 3: say as we record this, uh, you have seen Scream seven?
Speaker 3: I have not? Right, So this is this is a
Speaker 3: flip from how it usually ends up being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't don't step outside, right, Like that's when you
Speaker 3: get the call that's like, hey I'm outside. I'd be like,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't freaking care, you know what.
Speaker 2: I forgot to bring this up. But something I really
Speaker 2: loved is I was rewatching the opening with Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 2: Is she does step outside like she could just run away,
Speaker 2: and I was thinking, oh, wait, how are they gonna
Speaker 2: get her? She has to stay at the house. How
Speaker 2: do they get her to stay at the house? But
Speaker 2: it's she she's losing reception on her phone, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I was like, oh, yeah, those things
Speaker 2: had a base that you could walk away.
Speaker 3: Remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those cordless phones. So that's pretty good, pretty of
Speaker 2: its time, but perfect.
Speaker 3: So as you watch, do you try to game out
Speaker 3: who's who's stew and who's.
Speaker 2: I was this time? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this one is STU. I'm pretty pretty sure, right, because.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure it was mostly mostly a stunt
Speaker 2: man because I think I read that Skeet Alric asked
Speaker 2: to be in the costume for at least one scene,
Speaker 2: But it would be kind of cool if they did
Speaker 2: have who is supposed to be under there under Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a good point, you know, just so you could
Speaker 2: maybe see a different physicality or maybe maybe to your point,
Speaker 2: it's it's better if he's just a presence you.
Speaker 3: Kind of you can kind of game out a little bit.
Speaker 3: My sense based on who the times that we know
Speaker 3: it's Stu versus Billy. Stu is a little more wild
Speaker 3: and nutty, and Billy is a little more like ceremonial.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Interesting. Maybe that's something Wes Craven told, Yeah, the stunt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's and and you know, I'm I'm ready to
Speaker 3: be proven wrong, but that's just sort of at some
Speaker 3: point I stopped trying to follow who's who, but.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, Like if you want to do the math,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you could figure it out out, but it's
Speaker 2: more fun just to.
Speaker 3: Like, like, obviously the guy at the door was not
Speaker 3: Billy because he's right here right. I do love though that,
Speaker 3: Like you talk about how the movie is mostly timeless,
Speaker 3: but yet this right here, that's how dated this movie
Speaker 3: is She's like, you have a cell phone, right, right,
Speaker 3: you must be the murderer. Like that's the that's the
Speaker 3: obvious connection, right. I think one of the cops is
Speaker 3: even like, what are you doing with a cell phone?
Speaker 3: You have one of these cellular phones, youngster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the era where people had pagers.
Speaker 3: People had pagers, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Although even I was late getting on that train because
Speaker 3: I didn't get my first page until probably ninety eight.
Speaker 2: I want to say, you know I never got one.
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, well, how did you orchestrate any drug deals
Speaker 3: without a pager? I know, my god.
Speaker 2: That was that was the thing for people who weren't there.
Speaker 2: In high school in the nineties, that was what teachers assumed.
Speaker 2: If you had a pager on your belt.
Speaker 3: Must have been a must have been uh uh snorting
Speaker 3: those sugar burgers.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, you couldn't. Just what what, what reason would
Speaker 2: you have a pager for unless you were a drug dealer.
Speaker 3: I I recently tried to explain pagers to my students.
Speaker 2: M M.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, like, I don't even know how
Speaker 3: it came up, but they were they were utterly gobsmacked
Speaker 3: by the notion that you would be driving and the
Speaker 3: thing would beep and then you would see who who.
Speaker 3: You would see a number, and then you would have
Speaker 3: to pull over. You would have to find a pay
Speaker 3: phone and dial this number. And I as I said that,
Speaker 3: as I recited that, I was like, yeah, that's pretty
Speaker 3: messed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's I remember even at the time,
Speaker 2: because you could send nine to one to one yep,
Speaker 2: it like you had these little codes. And I remember
Speaker 2: even at the time, I'm like, this just feels like
Speaker 2: I'd rather just be able to send a message. I
Speaker 2: wish I could say pick me up, or I wish I.
Speaker 3: Wish I could send a like a text message of
Speaker 3: some kind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, consisting of text. Yeah, that I would message.
Speaker 2: Love the lens flares in this movie, by the way,
Speaker 2: with the anamorphic lie.
Speaker 3: There's something so filmy about this exactly, And.
Speaker 2: That's what yeah, going back to, Yeah, that opening scene
Speaker 2: and how much I love it and the choices and
Speaker 2: the lenses and everything. Yeah, filmy, this movie is very
Speaker 2: filmy and I love it. Yeah, great uses of lens flares,
Speaker 2: but nothing over the top. I think people started going
Speaker 2: over the top with them, yeah, you know, and they
Speaker 2: stopped losing their magic or whimsy or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But here it just adds just like a heightened reality
Speaker 2: or tension or spookiness or something. It's great. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I was reading about casting choices for this, which I
Speaker 2: thought were kind of interesting. Some I saw in multiple places,
Speaker 2: like they wanted Vince Vaughan to play Billy, which is interesting.
Speaker 2: He Wow, I don't know that I've ever seen him
Speaker 2: look young to me.
Speaker 3: That's right, Like, yeah, because because the following year he
Speaker 3: was in the Lost World, which is the first time
Speaker 3: I saw him, And you can't tell me he's a
Speaker 3: teenager in the Lost World, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So Swingers this year ninety six.
Speaker 3: Swingers would have been either this year or the year before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that he still feels like a I don't
Speaker 2: know young man to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, little, I can't see him playing teenager. I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean, Skeet Aldrich is pushing it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he feels he's still got moody teen face
Speaker 2: to me, or moody movie teen face or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But anyway, one that I and I saw a
Speaker 2: lot about Breckin Meyer and Jason Lee and Seth Green
Speaker 2: Up for Randy.
Speaker 3: I can totally see that.
Speaker 2: Reese Witherspoon for Sydney.
Speaker 3: Jason Lee, I can one hundred percent see him as Randy.
Speaker 2: I mean, he basically plays that character in the Jane
Speaker 2: Sound the Bob movies, right, Yeah, that's right. He's always
Speaker 2: giving exposition and talking about comic books and getting really
Speaker 2: worked up. But the one that was interesting I saw
Speaker 2: was Elizabeth Berkeley for Gale Weathers.
Speaker 3: I can see that.
Speaker 2: I thought so too. But this is a year after Showgirls,
Speaker 2: which basically tanked her career for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I mean ultimately I like the brassiness of Courtney Cox.
Speaker 3: I think Courtney Cox like is Gail at this point.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, But but in you know, in in uteroal,
Speaker 3: you know, as they're planning this out, I I can
Speaker 3: I can see was Berkeley.
Speaker 2: I totally see that version, definitely.
Speaker 3: Who are some of the others for Sydney that you said.
Speaker 2: I only saw. I'm sure there are several others. But
Speaker 2: Reese Witherspoonspoon okay, which makes sense at this time, right,
Speaker 2: she had been in I don't know if she'd done
Speaker 2: Fear by now, but she fear was after this man
Speaker 2: in the Moon and you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: she was like up and coming in this moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, the moon is always my cinematrix for the Wind
Speaker 2: with Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 3: Actually fear it was the same year, so I stand corrected, Okay,
Speaker 3: it was. It was actually earlier than this. It was
Speaker 3: April of ninety six, Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this came out around Christmas time, that's right, right.
Speaker 2: And when it came out, it only made about six million,
Speaker 2: and everybody thought it had flopped, but it had great
Speaker 2: word of mouth and just kept going, just kept going
Speaker 2: and going. I mean, I think about that in this
Speaker 2: day and age, a movie opening with six million and
Speaker 2: finishing around one hundred million.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think at the time it was like
Speaker 3: the most profitable slasher flick ever made, right, you know.
Speaker 3: And I can definitely speak to the word of mouth
Speaker 3: aspect of it, because I mean contrary, I was just
Speaker 3: saying about kids talking about movies. In high school, everybody
Speaker 3: was talking about screen you know.
Speaker 2: I mean I think kids talked about the movies that
Speaker 2: they watched. Yeah, Like I remember talking about Titanic at
Speaker 2: school because that was just like a phenomenon and everything.
Speaker 2: But it's it wasn't like peppered into.
Speaker 3: Like the way it is in this. That's not that that.
Speaker 3: That was not my experience of how people talked same
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean to your point, those people we
Speaker 2: eventually find each other. That's how we found one another.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. It's funny because you're talking about, oh,
Speaker 3: talking about Titanic in high school, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't remember that, and then I realized because I'm
Speaker 3: a year ahead of you. So like by the time
Speaker 3: I was in college when Titanic came out. Oh really,
Speaker 3: so I had a different experience. Yeah. That was Christmas
Speaker 3: of ninety seven, right, yeah, yeah, because I graduated ninety seven,
Speaker 3: so this movie was right smack in the middle of
Speaker 3: my senior year. I remember that so distinctly.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, so you did see this in theaters?
Speaker 3: No, No, I didn't. I watched this on video. Must
Speaker 3: have been after I graduated high school. Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was Gee, you know what, I probably saw it
Speaker 3: a couple of years out because because I I remember
Speaker 3: watching this and Scream two together on video.
Speaker 2: Mm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it would have to have been like ninety nine,
Speaker 3: ninety eight, ninety nine, something like that. Okay, yeah, because
Speaker 3: because Scream two is ninety.
Speaker 2: Seven right, yes, yeah, less than a year later.
Speaker 3: It was like right away, yeah, so it was it
Speaker 3: was I saw both of them on video at the
Speaker 3: same time because I rented them together.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, I that's another thing too, by the way,
Speaker 2: So that Rose McGowan playing Sidney's friend Tatum, is Dewey's sister,
Speaker 2: that's right, you know, and since we lose her in
Speaker 2: this movie, you know, you go on to all the
Speaker 2: other movies, all the other sequels, and it's like, Dewey
Speaker 2: and Sydney are so close, but you can almost forget that.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh yeah, it's like her friend's deceased friend's brother,
Speaker 2: that's their relationship.
Speaker 3: Well, it's also just that this experience binds the three
Speaker 3: of them together, the four survivors in this movie. And
Speaker 3: then and then Randy punches out in the next one.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, which I mean, I'm sure we'll get to
Speaker 2: that one eventually. But then you get that incredible moment
Speaker 2: in three where it's like, wow, can we bring him
Speaker 2: back for a third one? If he's dead? It's like, well,
Speaker 2: he recorded a video anticipating that not only would the
Speaker 2: problems and two be solved eventually, but there would be
Speaker 2: a third problem because he had to record that in
Speaker 2: the middle of the second problem. It's so funny, but
Speaker 2: it's brilliant and it's something I feel like I reference
Speaker 2: a lot. Like if you're watching this, I'm already dead.
Speaker 2: You know it's it's a brilliant solve. It sticks in
Speaker 2: your mind.
Speaker 3: You know. We should mention how how David Arquette and
Speaker 3: Courtney Cox started dating because of this movie?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, this is where they do you remember there was
Speaker 3: an episode of Friends where all of the actors added
Speaker 3: our Quette to their name.
Speaker 2: Oh, I do remember that now that you just.
Speaker 3: Pick credits because for a while or she was Courtney
Speaker 3: Cox ar ute. People forget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they met on this dated during two,
Speaker 2: and then they married a month before they shot three.
Speaker 2: There you go, and she's credited as Courtney coxar Cutt
Speaker 2: on three.
Speaker 3: Now this right here, first time I saw Leev Schreiber
Speaker 3: was right there. That's not right there, same And it's
Speaker 3: it's interesting because I was trying to because that's basically
Speaker 3: all we see of Cotton in this movie.
Speaker 2: Which I had forgotten. I thought he was going to
Speaker 2: be a bigger.
Speaker 3: Part, right, And I was trying to place it. I
Speaker 3: was like, like, now you'd be like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: you're just gonna have liv Schreiber, like just drop him
Speaker 3: in like that. But he he wasn't anybody back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right? And yeah, I mean how could
Speaker 2: he know also that he'd be brought back for two
Speaker 2: more sequels and play bigger and bigger parts. He's a
Speaker 2: big part of the finale of two.
Speaker 3: I know, but I didn't like what they did with
Speaker 3: him in the third.
Speaker 2: One, right, Yeah, you mean like what they did to
Speaker 2: his character. Yeah, I like what they did. I mean
Speaker 2: not physically, but like just his personality or.
Speaker 3: Well that too, but just killing him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I weirdly saw three first.
Speaker 3: That's the first scream you saw, yes.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't like horror movies, so I'd never watched
Speaker 2: one and two, And then I remember Three came out
Speaker 2: and my friends and I were just like curious. It
Speaker 2: was like the new movie and whatever. And I think
Speaker 2: someone rented it and we watched it in their basement,
Speaker 2: and I think for me, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 2: isn't so much like gory, you know, in Delighting and
Speaker 2: kids being killed kind of a thing that I thought
Speaker 2: it was going to be. I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 2: is like a mystery and it's actually kind of fun.
Speaker 2: And so then I went and rented one and two
Speaker 2: and then discovered that I really.
Speaker 3: Like how interesting. So so watching three first, you were
Speaker 3: not just like out to see.
Speaker 2: You know, three is a weird one. I mean, I
Speaker 2: was with Cotton. That's what made me think about it
Speaker 2: when you brought him up, because he does have somewhat
Speaker 2: of a major role in the opening of that movie exactly,
Speaker 2: and I had no idea the history, you know, who
Speaker 2: he means to everybody else and right, so, yeah, but
Speaker 2: that was a weird one because again, I mean, we
Speaker 2: should save this for three. But Nev Campbell was so
Speaker 2: busy in that moment she could only shoot for like
Speaker 2: twenty days of that movie, and so they basically featured
Speaker 2: all the other characters and Sydney kind of weaves in
Speaker 2: and out of that movie. Right, so I think it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it didn't feel as like I needed to know Sidney's
Speaker 2: history or you know, all that.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating, and yet it did the trick of making
Speaker 3: you want to go back and watch the other two
Speaker 3: So that's something because I enjoyed the.
Speaker 2: Tone so much. Yeah. Yeah, although now after watching all
Speaker 2: of them in a row, like I just did, that
Speaker 2: one is I would say, very different than the first one.
Speaker 2: It's a lot yeah, you know earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I I you know, one thing I've realized
Speaker 3: about the Scream movies is that I think the first
Speaker 3: one is like legitimately great. The other ones are variable quality,
Speaker 3: but I don't dislike any of them same. That's kind
Speaker 3: of where I'm at, Like, even the worst the one,
Speaker 3: I can I find stuff to enjoy, you know. And
Speaker 3: I don't even know. I don't even know what I
Speaker 3: would consider the worst one. But I'm just saying like,
Speaker 3: regardless of the quality, I'm like, I like them all,
Speaker 3: you know. But you know, I also think and I
Speaker 3: was talking about how Scream seven is coming out. I
Speaker 3: was talking to my kids, my students, and I was like, hey, Scream,
Speaker 3: you guys gonna watch it? Nobody like this is like, no,
Speaker 3: this is this is an old man's franchise.
Speaker 2: I was wondering because it had been kind of reinvented
Speaker 2: for five and six with younger like Jenna Ortega, you know, whoever.
Speaker 2: But like that's interesting, Okay.
Speaker 3: I just I feel like movie going in general has
Speaker 3: become so siloed that I don't even know what movie
Speaker 3: going looks like in twenty years. Honestly, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: movie viewing. I should say, I don't know what it
Speaker 3: looks like.
Speaker 2: That's true, and that makes me now kind of understand
Speaker 2: and appreciate why they wouldn't call that Scream five. Why
Speaker 2: would your students go see Scream five even if it
Speaker 2: has actors? They know if it's just called Scream, and like, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe they're you know, five percent more likely to watch it. Interesting.
Speaker 2: It's funny in Scream two. Eventually there's a movie within
Speaker 2: this movie universe called Stab that's about the Woodsborough murders
Speaker 2: from Scream one, and they recreate this scene in Scream
Speaker 2: two with Tory Spelling and Luke Wilson, which is really funny.
Speaker 2: But you know, no, good, no, no, you go ahead,
Speaker 2: I'll come Mack. I was gonna say, Kevin Williamson. It's
Speaker 2: just one of those things where I think he just
Speaker 2: his mind was lit on fire with this concept where
Speaker 2: he didn't apparently he wrote this script in a matter
Speaker 2: of days. It just you know, flowed out of him.
Speaker 2: But then he also came up with five page treatments
Speaker 2: for Scream two and Scream three. That's right, you know,
Speaker 2: he came prepared, and I think the thinking was not
Speaker 2: only did he have the stories, but when he went
Speaker 2: in to the pitch meetings, he wanted to be like, hey,
Speaker 2: you're buying a franchise here, right, You're not just buying
Speaker 2: a smart movie. It's very smart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that that explained, Like, his involvement in the
Speaker 3: third one is fairly minimal. They just took his outline
Speaker 3: and I think, as Aaron Krueger, who wrote the script for.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, he reminds me of Shane Black in a
Speaker 2: way where he just exploded and everybody knew his name
Speaker 2: right away, and he wrote something that's like, oh that
Speaker 2: is so Kevin Williamson. And then with every sequel he
Speaker 2: like had less and less involvement.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So Shane Black and Leath the Weapon, yep. Yeah, no. So,
Speaker 3: so I was going to mention about Nev Campbell, you know,
Speaker 3: like again, it had been a while since I've seen
Speaker 3: this one, and you know we're used to now in
Speaker 3: the latter film, Sydney is much more stoic, and you know,
Speaker 3: she she knows the rules of the game, so to speak,
Speaker 3: and you forget how the vulnerability that she gives to
Speaker 3: Sydney in this one. Yeah, right right, and she's terrific
Speaker 3: in this I really like, I was really appreciating her performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, she has a very she does like anguished
Speaker 2: or tortured. Well, you know, like you really sympathize with
Speaker 2: her when she makes those faces you know about how
Speaker 2: tortured she is.
Speaker 3: That's right about not wanting to sleep with Billy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Henry Winkler, I was about to say, one
Speaker 3: day you are your Arthur Fonzarelli, the next day your
Speaker 3: Arthur Hernbi or whatever his name is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a really interesting character, isn't he. Like, I
Speaker 2: actually don't entirely know what to make of him. I
Speaker 2: think we might have talked over the scene earlier where
Speaker 2: kids are being interrogated, and then I think Sydney goes in, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he like touches her face in this really weird
Speaker 2: way that feels a little inappropriate. Inappropriate. Yeah, And they
Speaker 2: even do a reaction shot of someone I can't remember
Speaker 2: if it's Duey or one of the officers, And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, what's that about.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I was like, there is no
Speaker 3: way a principle could get away with talking to students
Speaker 3: the way he does in the scene that.
Speaker 2: We just saw, like holding scissors to their next Yeah.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? There would be like eight different lawsuits,
Speaker 3: So you wonder if there's like maybe one scene missing
Speaker 3: just to just to sort of make his death and
Speaker 3: not entirely a bad thing, you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know that's interesting. You know what I had
Speaker 2: read is I was thinking on this feeling by the
Speaker 2: way I read. I don't know, I can't beg this up,
Speaker 2: but I read that this cheerleader was Skeet Ulrich's girlfriend Andrew.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was like, she's a bad actress.
Speaker 2: I hope she's not listening, but she did stand out
Speaker 2: to me a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, granted, this reminds me of all the times
Speaker 3: I was being a caddy bitch about people while putting
Speaker 3: my makeup on. So a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: lived experience there.
Speaker 2: But this is that very nineties meta thing too. It's like,
Speaker 2: where'd you hear that Ricky Lake? Yeah, sorry, you're saying, no,
Speaker 2: that's it. Yeah, but doesn't that like hurt your heart.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, Like, yeah, Nev Campbell's so good here. You
Speaker 2: just yeah, you're so on her side, and it's so
Speaker 2: awful having her listen to those people be so catty
Speaker 2: about her. I love the boot thing too, right where
Speaker 2: we get a lot of shots of ghost face boots
Speaker 2: and then later we get a little misdirect where the
Speaker 2: one of the police officers is wearing similar boots.
Speaker 3: Right when he squishes the cigarette.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker 3: What's interesting, though, is that in the opening, in the
Speaker 3: scene near the opening when all of the kids are
Speaker 3: quote unquote kids are sitting on the outside, you know,
Speaker 3: when we see all of them, you just.
Speaker 2: Can't even like, yeah, quote unquote kids.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Billy and Stu are wearing those boots.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, you know, it's funny. Not just say it.
Speaker 2: I did think. Uh, Billy is seated awkwardly like with
Speaker 2: his feed up on the thing, and it's probably you're
Speaker 2: right on purpose to for people who are paying attention
Speaker 2: to notice his boots.
Speaker 3: What I love is that the movie makes it so
Speaker 3: obvious that Billy is the bad guy that you're like,
Speaker 3: there's no way he's the bad guy because it's so obvious.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Yeah, it's funny because they kind of do
Speaker 2: that in two with Jerry O'Connell and he acts very
Speaker 2: weird and there's a lot of like lingering shots on
Speaker 2: him with ominous music, just trying to, you know, make
Speaker 2: you feel a certain way.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: We should talk about the mask, right, like this is
Speaker 2: a mask that already existed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they tried to design one that was kind of
Speaker 3: like it, but just different enough not to like, you know,
Speaker 3: infringe on a copyright, and they did, and it's in
Speaker 3: some shots in this, but ultimately they were like, you know,
Speaker 3: let's just work out an agreement and use the one
Speaker 3: that's already out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was designed by Brigitte Linden in nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: two for fun World, a costume company.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and I guess she said it's called It
Speaker 2: was called the Peanut Eyed Ghost, that's right. And I
Speaker 2: was inspired by the uh that painting the scream.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know what I would say, thanks to
Speaker 3: these films that that costume has has sold and sold
Speaker 3: and sold for thirty plus years.
Speaker 2: Incredible. I mean it's like I don't even want to
Speaker 2: think about whether or not she had any claim to
Speaker 2: that design. Moving forward or that's just something. You know,
Speaker 2: you work for the company and then everything's owned by
Speaker 2: the company, and I know.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, hopefully you're able to take pride in
Speaker 3: your design living on Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I had read somewhere about the woman
Speaker 2: who designed the Nike swoosh. I don't have her name
Speaker 2: in front of me, but she did it, you know,
Speaker 2: for peanuts at the time, because they weren't a huge juggernaut,
Speaker 2: and they did did many years later compensate her, which
Speaker 2: I thought was pretty classy.
Speaker 3: Oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, uh one one one memory
Speaker 3: I have that costume is that Sean Coyle and Paul
Speaker 3: Shiri they were they were living together and they were roommates,
Speaker 3: i should say, and they had a Halloween party and
Speaker 3: and and so. Uh, I didn't have a costume, so
Speaker 3: I went to Toys r US and like just grabbed
Speaker 3: whatever I could and it was the ghost Face costume,
Speaker 3: and and I won least original costume. It's pretty pretty
Speaker 3: proud of that, you know.
Speaker 2: What's funny? Sure? Fine, However, if I was at a
Speaker 2: costume party and I saw someone dressed up like ghost Face,
Speaker 2: that's the person I'd want a picture with.
Speaker 3: Thank you. Ryan In.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, there's just a weird personal
Speaker 2: anecdote that has nothing to do with this movie. But
Speaker 2: I was. I got to go to the Magic Castle,
Speaker 2: which is kind of a cool spot out here in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: There's like all these different rooms and magicians doing you know,
Speaker 2: little shows in each room. You can wander from room
Speaker 2: to room and watch all sorts of cool stuff. And
Speaker 2: I got to go there on Halloween and it was
Speaker 2: they had a costume contest going on, and my friends
Speaker 2: dressed up like Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya Harding. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: this was before I Tanya, So this was like before
Speaker 2: people were kind of recalling that thing.
Speaker 3: They beat the rush.
Speaker 2: They were right ahead of it.
Speaker 3: And see, look at look at how the costume looks
Speaker 3: different there.
Speaker 2: Well, I can see it. I can see it. It's
Speaker 2: not the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that they recognize that because it's close, but
Speaker 2: it's not the same.
Speaker 3: It's just they were like, you know what, the other
Speaker 3: one looks better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're right, it's worth it. It was worth paying. It's
Speaker 2: pretty amazing that as similar as it is, they saw
Speaker 2: that it wasn't good enough. But anyway, my friends they
Speaker 2: won the costume contest out of the whole Magic Castle
Speaker 2: that night.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we got free passes to go to Houdini
Speaker 2: Seance Get out of here wow. Yeah, which is basically,
Speaker 2: you know, they feed you dinner and then someone flips
Speaker 2: the switch and the table shakes for a little bit.
Speaker 3: Hey. You know sometimes that's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But so, okay, I was gonna bring this up earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so the Henry Winkler thing, that was what you were
Speaker 2: talking about, maybe seating that there's something possibly sinister about him.
Speaker 2: I was wondering why they killed him. Oh, we got
Speaker 2: to bring that up, right, hey, Fred.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there there's Wes Craven as Fred the Janitor. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in the rest of as Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of Nightmare and Elm Street
Speaker 2: call outs in this movie.
Speaker 3: Oh a ton, Well, Sydney lives on Elm Street, which
Speaker 3: I don't think is explicitly stated.
Speaker 2: I don't even think I called that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, when she's typing in her address, when she's
Speaker 3: trying to down nine one one, they cut it for pacing,
Speaker 3: but it's it's Elm Street.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, And then they talk about I think Tatum
Speaker 2: says something about only the first one was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and she says, Wes Carper, you think
Speaker 3: it's some kind of West Carpenter movie.
Speaker 2: Right right, which is funny because I can imagine, you know,
Speaker 2: as Wes Craven, you have to decide whether or not
Speaker 2: to go there. But I think it's worth it's fun.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's for us.
Speaker 2: But anyway, reading about his murder, well, first of all,
Speaker 2: I remember back in the day, it was hard watching
Speaker 2: the Fawns get stabbed to death, right, I mean when
Speaker 2: I watched this in the nineties, to me, he was
Speaker 2: he hadn't been in arrested development yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Other things are Berry or all these things. I love
Speaker 2: him from now, so he was still for me kind
Speaker 2: of the Fawns. So it was strange seeing him in
Speaker 2: a movie like this. But anyway, I was like, why
Speaker 2: did why would they kill him? And it turns out
Speaker 2: he wasn't originally killed in the script.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was like too much time had
Speaker 3: gone by without a killing, yes, exactly, and so they're
Speaker 3: like they're like, Fawns, he gotta.
Speaker 2: Go kill the principal. But it it does then motivate everyone,
Speaker 2: leaving Stu's house at the party, it clears everybody out
Speaker 2: because the principal's dead and he's hanging from the gold
Speaker 2: post or whatever it is. And then all right, twisted
Speaker 2: kids are like, well I gotta see that, and so
Speaker 2: they run out.
Speaker 3: Of the us.
Speaker 2: So I guess that's that. And then to your point,
Speaker 2: I wonder if they did make him a little off, Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: We wouldn't, So you don't feel totally bad about it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I think a lot of folks, you know, I
Speaker 3: think when this movie came out was probably at the
Speaker 3: tail end of when people would have been.
Speaker 2: Like, oh Fonsie, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's that. Yeah, have
Speaker 2: a cut and weary thing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I also read about Ghost Face. Look that at first
Speaker 2: they wanted the road to be white. That's right, to
Speaker 2: make it look like a ghost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which like imagine that like yeah, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like even in this shot right here where
Speaker 3: we see like, it just wouldn't be the same. It
Speaker 3: wouldn't work. It would be like you know the ghosts
Speaker 3: in Charlie Brown cartoons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: By the way that that was that was the nineteen
Speaker 3: thirty one Frankenstein that that was showing them that screen.
Speaker 3: I just any anytime the old universal monsters get get
Speaker 3: shown some love, I have to I have to tip
Speaker 3: the hat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which I need to catch up on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, you do need to. I like this
Speaker 3: right here, She's like, what was that wolf with ET's
Speaker 3: mom in it?
Speaker 2: Like you can ride?
Speaker 3: Not not the mom from E T. E T's mom.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, actually I didn't even catch that.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: I'm just laughing about her. The way she referenced d Wallace.
Speaker 2: That's hilarious ET's mom.
Speaker 3: You think Right now, at this moment, Quentin Tarantino is
Speaker 3: watching Matthew Lillard on screen and just grinding his teeth
Speaker 3: and pissing his pants. You know what.
Speaker 2: As much as I enjoys movies, I hope so yearned it.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was like watching Lillard in this, I'm like, he's
Speaker 3: so great being just horrible as stew but it's like
Speaker 3: he has the range, which we know. And then I
Speaker 3: was like just picturing Tarantino just like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I hate I hate Owen Wilson and I hate Paul Dano,
Speaker 3: and you know, Matthew Lillard sucks to him. I'm like, what.
Speaker 2: He's like, what it's like Bart Simpson, you know, with
Speaker 2: clown College is like I don't think any of us
Speaker 2: expected him to say that, Like which.
Speaker 3: I would say, good good company to be included in
Speaker 3: as far as that list of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to be listening to Paul Dan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know this scene is so creepy when you
Speaker 3: know that. It's like especially once Billy shows up, because
Speaker 3: he's right, right, he's right about everything, and Killer A
Speaker 3: and Killer be on either side of him. It's freaking
Speaker 3: terrifying and.
Speaker 2: They're like crowding him. Yeah, you know, yeah, and I
Speaker 2: do love this. I mean this is like quintessential for
Speaker 2: this film, right where it's like the guy who understands
Speaker 2: how horror movies work, he's referencing horror movies and why
Speaker 2: his rationale for why he thinks he knows who the
Speaker 2: killer is. You know, Like that's the thing, like all
Speaker 2: movies do this now, all movies reference other movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they just didn't used to. That is such
Speaker 3: a great point, Like I'm just so used to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like when they went to the movies in the
Speaker 2: movies when we were growing up, they were watching fake movies,
Speaker 2: fake TV shows. But this really was part of the
Speaker 2: thing part of the moment where it kicked it off,
Speaker 2: where it's like, no, no, no, they live in the world
Speaker 2: we live in, and they reference the things we know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so is Randy like the screech of their friend groups?
Speaker 2: You know, I was wondering about that because he.
Speaker 3: It's a very odd friend group. Right.
Speaker 2: He's a fun character, but even when they were at
Speaker 2: the fountain, I felt like he felt a little odd
Speaker 2: man out.
Speaker 3: Why is he there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's good.
Speaker 2: I like Jimmy Kennedy in this. I think he's the
Speaker 2: right man, a geeky, funny guy.
Speaker 3: He found his lane.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know. Something I always like in movies that
Speaker 2: I feel are like real world scary and intriguing to
Speaker 2: me are curfews yep, you know, and like when a
Speaker 2: town has to shut down, like you know, it's like
Speaker 2: kids have curfews sometimes, you know, or like by ten
Speaker 2: pm you have to leave them all or something. But
Speaker 2: like when the whole town it's like no, no, no, all
Speaker 2: the adults, I don't care who you are, like you
Speaker 2: have to be off the streets at this time. I
Speaker 2: always find that like a really scary premise.
Speaker 3: It's, well, you know, when I see because I never
Speaker 3: lived in like a small town like this, you know,
Speaker 3: like suburbs are different. Yeah, yeah, And so this is
Speaker 3: something like exclusive to movies, just the way life is
Speaker 3: so centralized and like everybody knows each other and stuff,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Right where you have the deputy of the town, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know any of the well I mean in
Speaker 2: this city certainly, But even when I was growing up
Speaker 2: in Wheaton, Illinois, right, I didn't know the names of
Speaker 2: any police officers or anything. Right, But here they all
Speaker 2: know who Dewey is. They probably many of them went
Speaker 2: to high school with him, right, Yeah. But it is
Speaker 2: like a great excuse, just plot wise, to get all
Speaker 2: the kids like, all right, well, let's curfew. We'll go
Speaker 2: hang out at one house and watch movies together, right,
Speaker 2: you know. And also, you know, I when I've rewatched
Speaker 2: this a lot of times, it's been in chunks, you know,
Speaker 2: flipping channels. I hadn't really rewatched this all the way
Speaker 2: through in a while, And so it was nice really
Speaker 2: paying attention and appreciating how much plot there is in this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: It was Sydney's mom and the trauma that Sidney experienced
Speaker 2: from that, and then also fingering the wrong guy for it.
Speaker 3: Like cotton literally and figuratively. Wait what because you know
Speaker 3: she's just like she does it with the killer and
Speaker 3: that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true, the wrong two wrong guys. She's wrong about
Speaker 2: two guys in this mood. He yes, yeah, yes, well
Speaker 2: she does stick her finger in his wound exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the wrong guy. He's bad for you, Sydney.
Speaker 3: He is the wrong guy, right.
Speaker 2: I love it is like ice cream cone business. I
Speaker 2: wonder like the guy they both get like business as
Speaker 2: they're talking here, that guy gets a cigarette, he gets
Speaker 2: an ice cream cone.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The chief, by the way, he's he's also it
Speaker 3: plays a similar role in the First Nightmare in Eme Street.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Yeah, so hey shared cinematic universe. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: like you said, we get that close up on his
Speaker 3: boots liket row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like that. But yeah, this did then
Speaker 2: kind of kick off almost like a new genre of horror, right,
Speaker 2: like the slasher film was back, but it was Yes,
Speaker 2: that is true.
Speaker 3: But what's funny is that in hindsight, because definitely that
Speaker 3: was the the you know, the narrative at the time,
Speaker 3: But in hindsight, you're like, well it wasn't even gone
Speaker 3: for that long, really.
Speaker 2: You know, don't you find that? Yeah, when you think
Speaker 2: about sometimes you talk about things being gone for a
Speaker 2: while or even just it feels like things changed very
Speaker 2: quickly in the past. Like you even look at like
Speaker 2: styles in different decades. Yeah, and you're like or even
Speaker 2: like the Beatles or something, you know, like their genre
Speaker 2: of music, and it's like they weren't even a band
Speaker 2: or at least they're a phenomenon for over a decade.
Speaker 2: Like things just moved very quickly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now there be longer gaps between this stuff,
Speaker 2: between sequels. You can get Screamed four like eleven years
Speaker 2: later or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and you know, sometimes those longer gaps
Speaker 3: are good. But certainly when we talk about the slasher
Speaker 3: fad at its peak, I mean, it flamed out I
Speaker 3: would say late eighties. When when was Freddy's Dead? Was
Speaker 3: that like ninety yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe because the New Nightmare was ninety four, Okay.
Speaker 3: So and there was there was a decent gap between
Speaker 3: those two. Yeah, right, and you know Freddy is dead, like,
Speaker 3: so let's arbitrary, let's set that. So say ninety So
Speaker 3: you're talking about six years, which is I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it is a gap, but it's not like a huge gap.
Speaker 3: But your point is well stated, which is like suddenly
Speaker 3: there was this boom between ninety six and two thousand
Speaker 3: where you had all these like teen centric horror flicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just also what I was trying to say,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I said it very well, but
Speaker 2: just like shorter gaps felt longer back then for some reason,
Speaker 2: maybe because we weren't endlessly talking about things.
Speaker 3: That is true. Also we had been around, we had
Speaker 3: been around less, so well.
Speaker 2: That's true too. Yeah, it could be unique to our age.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so you get like, I Know what you
Speaker 2: did last summer, Urban Legend, the Faculty, Final Destination, all
Speaker 2: these sort of like knowing teenager horror movies.
Speaker 3: Right out after this, and and you know, well, I
Speaker 3: mean I guess they did try to bring back I
Speaker 3: know what you did last summer just recently, right, which
Speaker 3: that didn't really play.
Speaker 2: No, you know, and I saw it and I didn't
Speaker 2: hate it, fully acknowledging it's not good. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: just like maybe it's scratched an itch or something where
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I like this tone, but you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody else is really vibing with it
Speaker 2: these days. Even my friends who are like much more
Speaker 2: horror fans than I am, they were like they hated it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, I don't know, really.
Speaker 3: I don't see.
Speaker 2: I had absolutely zero expectation and it was like a
Speaker 2: thing before my eyes for ninety minutes, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it reminded me of a thing that I used to like.
Speaker 2: But my way is good.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a swerve in there with the long
Speaker 3: running character. Yes well, yes, well it doesn't mean anything
Speaker 3: to me because I don't really have an affinity for
Speaker 3: those films. But I was thinking of Zachi, you know,
Speaker 3: a fan of Jim Phelps from the nineteen sixties Mission Impossible,
Speaker 3: totally wondering how fans of those earlier films would react
Speaker 3: to this new one. You know, absolutely right.
Speaker 2: By the way, So it's worth noting. You know Courtney
Speaker 2: Cox here. I love the character of Gail Weathers because
Speaker 2: she has such a complicated She's complicated, like she has
Speaker 2: a weird relationship with Sydney. She was a defender of
Speaker 2: Cotton Weary, which wasn't very popular to the hero of
Speaker 2: our movie. But she was right, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, And like they they're antagonistic, but then they
Speaker 2: become allies. It's a really great character. And as you're
Speaker 2: watching that character Gail enter this house party with all
Speaker 2: these teenagers, they're looking at her like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: it's Gail from TV, but in a funny way. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's Courtney Cox from Friends. Like, oh, that's a good point, right,
Speaker 2: Like you can kind of apply that to this a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: I love how they make sure to highlight Tatum's thho
Speaker 3: are they?
Speaker 2: You know? It's funny. Actually I was thinking about that
Speaker 2: shot because what I I think it's really interesting because
Speaker 2: what I mean basically, yes, like Rose McGown comes here
Speaker 2: into the garage and her nipples are like completely like
Speaker 2: poking through her shirt. And it's funny because it's this
Speaker 2: is a movie that's referencing horror movies. So she is,
Speaker 2: to a comical degree, the typical sexy female victim in
Speaker 2: waiting here. And so this movie is like riding a
Speaker 2: thin line between actually having kind of a titulating image
Speaker 2: or no one intended, and also commenting on it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it's kind of a
Speaker 2: funny brilliant moment.
Speaker 3: Well, that's you know, I think Scream is satire but
Speaker 3: not comedy, right, and and you know that's sort of
Speaker 3: to be able to ride that balance is something, you know.
Speaker 3: It's like in my classes, I screen RoboCop as an
Speaker 3: example of satire and I'm like, it's satire, but it's
Speaker 3: not a comedy, right, but it is, you know, and
Speaker 3: it's like trying to understand that distinction. I mean, this
Speaker 3: movie does that very well.
Speaker 2: That's that's really well put. Yeah, yeah, great, great lens
Speaker 2: flares in here, because I love lens flares when they
Speaker 2: add like an air of mystery, you know, or magic
Speaker 2: or something. I think I've always my favorite lens flair's
Speaker 2: ever Isn't Die Hard. When they finally get the safe
Speaker 2: to open, you know, and it's just like this magical
Speaker 2: opening of this thing, you know that they've been trying
Speaker 2: so hard to attain, and so there's just like magic
Speaker 2: in the air as it's happening. And here we've got
Speaker 2: this sort of uneasy thing happening in this really normal
Speaker 2: place a garage, but there's something heightened and creepy about it.
Speaker 2: So you get like a little flourish at the top
Speaker 2: of the screen. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's that's a great observation of these canted angles.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's great. And this is, you know, like to
Speaker 2: your point again where you have the sexy victim in
Speaker 2: the eighties movie, you're like probably rooting for Jason, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, But in this I don't like
Speaker 2: seeing her going through this, Like I'm rooting for her
Speaker 2: to get out of that ground.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, I think that's what it came down to. Aultimately,
Speaker 3: give us, give us characters that we care about. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and Tatum is a kind of a smart ass. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but like not insufferably so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you would enjoy her in your friend group.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Now this now, originally she was supposed to
Speaker 3: have the garage just crush her and then and then
Speaker 3: they see the pet door. Yeah, and they're like, well, no,
Speaker 3: we obviously have to we got to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, oh it's horrible, gripe. Well, I mean yes,
Speaker 3: but it just feels I mean it's such a memorable death. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like her hanging through that door. You're gonna make
Speaker 2: a movie. Let's make a movie, you know.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: But by the way, So seeing her head get crushed there,
Speaker 2: That's why I was confused at the beginning, because I
Speaker 2: had read that was something they had to cut out.
Speaker 2: But in this version you see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know. That's interesting. Yeah. By the way,
Speaker 3: worth mentioning, this is only tangentially related in that Paramount
Speaker 3: is the home base of the screen franchise as of now.
Speaker 3: But as we record this, Paramount has won its bid
Speaker 3: to buy Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2: Oh really is that today?
Speaker 3: That has just happened moments ago. I just got a
Speaker 3: push notification that Netflix has dropped out.
Speaker 2: They dropped out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Paramount is gonna be absorbing Warner Brothers.
Speaker 2: I'll be damned.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We'll have plenty to say about this on a future.
Speaker 2: Yes, I gotta not get lost in thought on that.
Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, now real quick, I want to mention we
Speaker 3: were talking about Gail Weathers before. As much as I
Speaker 3: love the character of Gail Weathers, her haircut in some
Speaker 3: of these sequels is scarier than Ghostface.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean even she a couple of years ago
Speaker 2: is still referencing it. No, really, yeah, I think for
Speaker 2: Halloween or something, she did some sort of Instagram posts
Speaker 2: with like these fake bangs and was like, they're back.
Speaker 3: I think was it the third one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the third one? Oh goodness, gracious, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's not a Jane silent Bob and I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, this isn't exactly it, but I was
Speaker 2: thinking as I was watching three, it reminded me of
Speaker 2: the vibes a little bit of Lethal Weapon four, where
Speaker 2: it's like we're just we're here and we don't care
Speaker 2: if you realize we're having a good time doing this,
Speaker 2: you know, even though we're making a movie, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I mean, not that Lethal Weapon four
Speaker 2: ever got into like goofy cameos or anything. But you
Speaker 2: can just tell those are friends having a good time
Speaker 2: and making a movie. And you get that sense a
Speaker 2: little bit in three. I think Scream three like let's
Speaker 2: let's have fun and the fun.
Speaker 3: Shop through a little bit, yeah, which.
Speaker 2: Is kind of unique to that one because the others,
Speaker 2: I don't think feel that way. And then yes, and
Speaker 2: then you have Chance on the Pop just randomly popping
Speaker 2: into the the movie.
Speaker 3: It's so weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they mistake Gail Weathers for Connie Chung see,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 3: Weird because in the Jay and Silent Bob versus Scream
Speaker 3: is a franchise like in In In one of those movies,
Speaker 3: they stumble on the set of a Scream movie. Oh
Speaker 3: that's right, So what's going on? So do Jay and
Speaker 3: Soundbob exist in two universes?
Speaker 2: They're inter dimensional beings?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're they're they're nexus beings. I kind of
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Kevin Smith, there's your movie. If anything happens
Speaker 2: to them, the universes collapse, they're holding together. They're like Loki.
Speaker 3: Skeet ol Rich. I feel like he should have had
Speaker 3: more of a career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, actually I have his thing open because
Speaker 2: his IMDb I should she's about to have his thing open.
Speaker 2: I was just he was like, man, I walked right
Speaker 2: into that because I don't know what I really see.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, I saw it to my surprise. He
Speaker 2: it plays a thug in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the
Speaker 2: ninety nineteen ninety movie.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Okay.
Speaker 2: He's in as good as it gets, which I kind
Speaker 2: of remember, now that I say it.
Speaker 3: I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 2: The Newton Boys, Chill Factor, remember that.
Speaker 3: I remember Chill I remember watching Chill Factor in an
Speaker 3: empty theater.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he he was on a show which is
Speaker 3: called Jericho. Do you remember that?
Speaker 2: Yes, I think because of you.
Speaker 3: Actually no, you're thinking of Jeremiah, which is at Perry Show.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, is Luke Perry on that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, this is this is a repeat of an
Speaker 3: exact conversation I had with I'm gonna like three hours ago.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, damn it, it's Jericho, not Jeremiah. Get
Speaker 3: your get your Jay starting shows about a post apocalyptic
Speaker 3: society straight, you know, people up, Yeah, damn it. No.
Speaker 3: So it was like it was like a post ap
Speaker 3: like there's a it's a it's like Kansas or something
Speaker 3: after a nuclear attack. Yeah, and he starred and it
Speaker 3: had what's his name, Major Dad.
Speaker 2: Oh Maaney, Gerald McCraney, Jerald McCraney.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So he was on that show that did okay,
Speaker 3: And then he was on Dad. Sorry, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't go with Simon and Simon.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's good, it's good today.
Speaker 3: It's Major Dad. Anyway. He was also on Law and
Speaker 3: Order LA oh I remember that. Yeah, for like half
Speaker 3: a season. Then he killed his ass off, and I
Speaker 3: think he just yeah.
Speaker 2: River Dad, he was in sixty four episodes of Riverdale.
Speaker 3: Sixty four episodes. Who did he play?
Speaker 2: I have no idea Ethnic Jones.
Speaker 3: Oh so he's like related to Jughead?
Speaker 2: Is he Jughead's dad?
Speaker 3: Wow? So him and Luke Perry both there you go.
Speaker 3: So the streams did cross eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this. I just got to point out this, this,
Speaker 2: this wide angle group shot.
Speaker 3: I love that stuff. Yeah, it's it's it's and there's
Speaker 3: so much life in the frame.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, that, exactly that, I mean, you know. Wes
Speaker 2: Craven then went on to do like Red Eye, which
Speaker 2: I think is fun, tight, little ninety minute thriller, and
Speaker 2: he's just, yeah, I wish he had made some more thrillers.
Speaker 2: I wish we'd gotten some more thrillers out of him.
Speaker 2: Red Eye was when was that early Autus five or something? Okay,
Speaker 2: that sounds about right? Yeah, yeah, well this is this
Speaker 2: is the scene here.
Speaker 3: It's what's very funny is that the rules as it
Speaker 3: pertains to horror movies in general are like pretty much bullshit, right,
Speaker 3: sure right, but it doesn't matter because they're the rules
Speaker 3: for this world, you know.
Speaker 2: And he's got enough evidence to back it up that
Speaker 2: we're like, okay, even if he's just talking about one
Speaker 2: movie maybe like Halloween, yeah something, Yeah, but who to
Speaker 2: this day, if someone leaves a room and says I'll be.
Speaker 3: Back, Oh yeah, you have to say it like, oh
Speaker 3: be right, b yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll be right back exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just
Speaker 2: had to see it see Lillard do it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's kind of cool what I like
Speaker 2: about these movies.
Speaker 3: You know what you think about it? Real quick?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stu leaves to get beer, yes, and he comes back.
Speaker 3: That should have been our clue right away.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good man. This continues to grow in my right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, you're right.
Speaker 3: Like the problem is we watch it now and we
Speaker 3: know we know Stu's the killer, right. It's like so
Speaker 3: like so it's hard to put yourself back in the
Speaker 3: state of mind of watching it the first time and
Speaker 3: trying to track the like who is it? You know?
Speaker 2: Actually, that's funny you say that, because I had that
Speaker 2: experience watching it this time where they like Dewey will
Speaker 2: act kind of weird in a scene and I'm like, Dewey,
Speaker 2: you know, like, how could you ever make me believe
Speaker 2: it's Dewey, but it's.
Speaker 3: Like this right here, when he asks Gale to go
Speaker 3: on a walk with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3: If you don't know that that he's not the killer,
Speaker 3: then it's odd, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, in ninety six, you didn't know.
Speaker 3: These people, that's right. He was just a weird guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then he becomes the beloved charming guy.
Speaker 3: That's right, the rest of this, and it becomes the
Speaker 3: dead guy.
Speaker 1: M M.
Speaker 3: I've said before that was that was Han Solo esque
Speaker 3: in terms of when when they when they off to
Speaker 3: Dewey in this in the fifth one, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I know you gotta do it at some point
Speaker 2: if you're gonna have that many sequels. But also I
Speaker 2: wish he was in the new one.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's just some people I just want to
Speaker 2: continue seeing. But what I was gonna say is I
Speaker 2: like that each movie kind of zeros in about a
Speaker 2: film trend, right, Like this one's kind of like about
Speaker 2: the Final Girl, and then the second one is about sequels,
Speaker 2: and the third one, of course is trilogies, and then
Speaker 2: the fourth one is about being online famous, and the
Speaker 2: fifth one I think is about like elevated horror, you know,
Speaker 2: like it is. I just like that there's and then
Speaker 2: the seventh one. I don't think it's a spoiler to
Speaker 2: say it's about bringing the original star back to a series,
Speaker 2: you know, like commenting on that, and.
Speaker 3: So that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that as a conceit for
Speaker 2: each one for them to build off of.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so now who calls and says this about
Speaker 3: the principal?
Speaker 2: That is a good question, like who's hanging about the
Speaker 2: school drinking on the football field or something. Well, because
Speaker 2: if that was part of their plan, right to get
Speaker 2: everyone out of there, then is it are they both occupied? Well,
Speaker 2: I guess it'd be Stu, right because Billity's up there
Speaker 2: with Sydney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if it's like, it can't be Stu on
Speaker 3: the phone because he'd be like, hey, Stu, why are
Speaker 3: you calling me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. Oh, Clerk's shout out there
Speaker 2: at the VHS on the I do love this whole
Speaker 2: conceit of the camera in there. But there's a thirty
Speaker 2: second delight that that's great, very very clever.
Speaker 3: You know there are they are they scared and running
Speaker 3: away or they're just excited to see the principal strung up.
Speaker 2: I think they just want to poke a body with
Speaker 2: a stick. They're just like, yeah, the principal's dead.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it. At one point one of
Speaker 3: them says, Hio Silver, let's go, and I was like,
Speaker 3: what an odd thing? I can I can see that
Speaker 3: reference kind of working in ninety six, but can you
Speaker 3: imagine a kid saying that now?
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, yeah, up, up and away.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't.
Speaker 2: They have a real I mean, obviously they got married,
Speaker 2: are yet and Cox, But like they do have a
Speaker 2: real sweet chemistry. Like I believe this hard as nails
Speaker 2: character Gail Weathers. You can imagine she would have a
Speaker 2: hard time falling for someone as kind of dopey as him, right,
Speaker 2: But they make me believe it.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, Yeah, those cars get.
Speaker 2: Really close to them. I mean, I know there's the
Speaker 2: stunt people in that one shot, but there's that one
Speaker 2: where you can actually see it's them and they're they're
Speaker 2: yeah close.
Speaker 3: I'm like, whoo, that's how we used to do it, Brian,
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: I mean I bring this up a couple of times,
Speaker 2: but I remember watching the movie Used Cars with Robert Zemeckis,
Speaker 2: and I was listening to the commentary, and there's this
Speaker 2: shot where one of the characters I don't remember who
Speaker 2: was like stumbling down a street and the joke is
Speaker 2: this car comes right up to him and turns it
Speaker 2: the last second at high speeds and avoids them. But
Speaker 2: the guy isn't aware at all that had happened. And
Speaker 2: you can hear on the commentary is the meccas is like,
Speaker 2: I can't I can't even look at this. What are
Speaker 2: we thinking? And he's like I can't look I can't
Speaker 2: look at this, and you're like, yeah, back then they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I put Kurt Russell on the road. Well, don't worry.
Speaker 2: The stuff is like trust me, trust me.
Speaker 3: It takes your licks for the sake of the shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's crazy how we're already like in wrap it up
Speaker 3: mode now.
Speaker 2: I know, you know, there's like a I always think
Speaker 2: about this when I watch Back to the Future because
Speaker 2: that movie, for being almost two hours long, flies And
Speaker 2: then when there's that moment where Marty it's nighttime and
Speaker 2: Marty's wearing the suit and he's talking to Doc and
Speaker 2: he's setting up the table, I'm every time I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're here already. Yeah, you know, and that reminds me
Speaker 2: of this right where it's like the party is starting.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, we're here already like this, this is
Speaker 2: the ramp up to the end. But it is it's
Speaker 2: forty minutes long. I mean the quote unquote third act
Speaker 2: I guess of this movie is like forty minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think that. I was thinking about the
Speaker 3: length of the film. I was like, I I think
Speaker 3: it's a it's it's like exactly as long as it
Speaker 3: needs to be. M hm, you know, just under two hours.
Speaker 3: I think ninety minutes you'd be losing a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree, you know, And and I think they pace
Speaker 3: it out really well. And so you know, when you
Speaker 3: think about it in terms of like, oh it's been
Speaker 3: too long without a killing, let's kill let's kill Phonsie,
Speaker 3: you kind of get it. Yeah, Like you know, because
Speaker 3: because there's so much exposition that's being ladled out, it's
Speaker 3: like we got to have a little something here. But
Speaker 3: the movie itself needs to be as long as it is.
Speaker 2: I agree, there's no nev naive your naive girl, but
Speaker 2: I love that the movie. He's being so dark here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you are like I don't know about this guy,
Speaker 2: but then they subvert it having ghost face come through
Speaker 2: the door say oh, well, I'll be.
Speaker 3: You know, it reminds me of the performance of one
Speaker 3: Brian J. Hall in a movie that he appeared in
Speaker 3: with one Zaki Hassan back in the summer of ninety nine.
Speaker 2: Would that be something freaky?
Speaker 3: The very same something? I can't help but think of
Speaker 3: that film. Well, let me, I'm using air quotes film
Speaker 3: as I watch this, because that was written by our
Speaker 3: friend Sean and and you know that there was a
Speaker 3: spirit of let's put on a show that we had
Speaker 3: back then.
Speaker 2: Do I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 3: We had a youthful verve and passion which has been
Speaker 3: drained out of us by life now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But I mean for people who don't know,
Speaker 2: I mean Zakie and I met in a film class.
Speaker 2: That's right, Zakie and I and Sean and like we
Speaker 2: we were the kids having that film discussion at the
Speaker 2: beginning of Scream Too, making all the references.
Speaker 3: You know, three Randy's talking at each other, that's exactly.
Speaker 2: And we were so inspired by all this stuff that
Speaker 2: we would just instead of thinking, wouldn't it be fun
Speaker 2: if we tried to do something like this. No, we
Speaker 2: like put pen to paper. And then we stayed up
Speaker 2: all night and we got a camera and we shot
Speaker 2: this stuff. And so we did our scream homage at
Speaker 2: our community college.
Speaker 3: We shot this at at College Due Page in Glenn Allen, Illinois. Yep,
Speaker 3: I guess we can say this now. Was at the
Speaker 3: old TV station over there, and we were running around.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like midnight, one am. We're running
Speaker 3: around with knives and guns and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and blood.
Speaker 3: It is bananas. What we did?
Speaker 2: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: And And to the point I was making is my character.
Speaker 3: So it's about characters shooting a movie and there is
Speaker 3: a killer among them m hm. And my character stumbles
Speaker 3: upon them shooting this film and I'm like, hey, you're
Speaker 3: making a movie. Can I be involved? And then you,
Speaker 3: Brian are like you want to die? Right because I
Speaker 3: was going to play the victim, but ah, misdirect, you
Speaker 3: were actually the killer. I was. It was very It
Speaker 3: was very much by the way I love this great
Speaker 3: where he's he's talking, He's saying Jamie, Jamie is.
Speaker 2: Talking to himself right right, talking to Jamie Lee Curtis
Speaker 2: on the screen.
Speaker 3: But it's Jamie Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Jamie Kennedy, Jamie turn around. How did you?
Speaker 3: I love that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, But we have the scene in a little bit
Speaker 3: where where Sid is pointing the gun at Stu and
Speaker 3: Randy and and I was like, oh, this is Sean.
Speaker 3: This is what Sean was like inspired by.
Speaker 2: As I was watching one, two and three, I thought
Speaker 2: of that experience multiple times in like the most loving way.
Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely that was That was a blast.
Speaker 2: It was a blast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much fun.
Speaker 2: You know, it's great thinking about this delay again. You
Speaker 2: get this tension twice, you get the tension of being
Speaker 2: in the room with uh, you know, Randy. But then
Speaker 2: we get a little beat and then we get to
Speaker 2: see them relive that moment, not knowing how it turns
Speaker 2: out in the van. Yeah, but then it's a great
Speaker 2: screws it up for the poor camera guy. And I
Speaker 2: know thirty seconds gave the time for the killer to
Speaker 2: go outside.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I forel bet this guy.
Speaker 2: I like this guy. He you know, he doesn't do
Speaker 2: a lot, but he does enough to give him personality. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's kind of a perfect memorable partner to Gail, like
Speaker 2: who puts up with her stuff a little bit, but
Speaker 2: like pushes back occasionally. This is the stuff I wonder
Speaker 2: about sometimes in movies like this, where did they actually
Speaker 2: write into the script and then there's like gear in
Speaker 2: the back of the vand and so she crawls under
Speaker 2: it and then she's able to or is that stuff
Speaker 2: you kind of find on the day, you know, like,
Speaker 2: oh it said, it's sort of like to your point,
Speaker 2: you're the garage. Yeah, it's like, well we had this,
Speaker 2: but look at that. That's even better.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would assume that there's a fair amount
Speaker 3: of that in this because I think I think Wes
Speaker 3: Craven was that kind of a filmmaker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, which, by the way, I've got I've
Speaker 2: gotta for posterity throw this out there. You were talking
Speaker 2: about Elm Street. Of course, Wes Craven. I grew up
Speaker 2: on Elm Street. You did in Wheaton, Illinois, and Wes
Speaker 2: Craven went to Wheaton College. So in my town, a
Speaker 2: lot of people believe that that was the Elm Street
Speaker 2: that inspired him, and I don't know, because I later
Speaker 2: I kind of dug into it. And apparently he went
Speaker 2: to a school in New York as well that was
Speaker 2: near an Elm Street, So pardon me, wonders if he
Speaker 2: just kept encountering it and to him it just felt like.
Speaker 3: A kind of any town, USA, exactly like Springfield, perfect example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was kind of you know, every time
Speaker 2: I grew up, I never thought about it because that
Speaker 2: was just my address. But when I would give people
Speaker 2: my address and I'd say Elm Street, I'd always get
Speaker 2: a reaction from people.
Speaker 3: Hmm, good flair, it's great. I was just looking at
Speaker 3: that shot.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. By the way, I was reading that the
Speaker 2: original DP was let go from this movie before they
Speaker 2: finished shooting.
Speaker 3: Oh really, why is that?
Speaker 2: Just they were getting a lot of shots that were
Speaker 2: out of focus and unusable and wow, I guess they
Speaker 2: wanted to replace the whole camera crew. And the DP
Speaker 2: was like no, like you'd have to fire me too,
Speaker 2: and they're like okay, And so then they brought in
Speaker 2: Peter Deming, who he would see at this point. I
Speaker 2: think he would go on to become David Lynch's guy. Okay,
Speaker 2: so he would shoot like Lost basically. I think he
Speaker 2: started with Lynch on Lost Highway and then he went
Speaker 2: all the way to the end through the Lost Hiway.
Speaker 3: Was before this right, that was like seventy six sish
Speaker 3: or maybe it's right, am I wrough. I thought Lost
Speaker 3: and Lost Highway was earlier than this, but I could
Speaker 3: be wrong.
Speaker 2: I was thinking ninety seven, but I might be wrong.
Speaker 2: Ninety seven Yeah, yeah, okay. And so then he went on,
Speaker 2: you know, shot Mohun Drive and all those sorts of things,
Speaker 2: and then he shot the rest of the screen movies,
Speaker 2: so obviously that became a good collaboration. And he funny enough,
Speaker 2: he also did all the Austin Powers movies, so that's great.
Speaker 3: So he's he's you know, he's all. He's not doing
Speaker 3: like a Yanush thing where everything looks a certain way.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. And he also shot a little movie called
Speaker 2: Lucky You Urts Hands and Flick, which I worked on,
Speaker 2: and so I actually got to meet him and chat
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 3: And that's where Brian enters the story. Yeah I love that.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was a little starstruck meeting him.
Speaker 3: So it's cool.
Speaker 2: That was very cool, Like I, you know, not often
Speaker 2: you're like familiar with the you know, TP's filmography, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I had so many questions for him. So Dewey, I
Speaker 2: think they kept it when they were filming this little
Speaker 2: they shot options about whether that Dewey was dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, so there's a there's a little bit of
Speaker 3: a Cosmo Renfro in the fugitive situation. Yes, uh. In
Speaker 3: this case, the test audiences really like Dewey, so they
Speaker 3: wanted to make his death less final, right, and so
Speaker 3: they kept him.
Speaker 2: Alive the right decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's that's the tricky thing when it comes to,
Speaker 3: you know, having to decide to kill off long running characters.
Speaker 3: I think that's always sort of fascinating, right, because this
Speaker 3: is something that that Robert Kirkman talked about with the
Speaker 3: Walking Dead television series as compared to the comic book.
Speaker 3: You know, he said that it was relatively easy to
Speaker 3: kill off characters while doing the comic book, but he
Speaker 3: realized it was a lot harder when doing the show
Speaker 3: because because the characters are much more real and you
Speaker 3: form these parasocial relationships, and you know, that's that's that's
Speaker 3: the dilemma again with with the franchise. Like Scream, it
Speaker 3: relies on characters dying, But the longer characters last, the
Speaker 3: less we want to see them die, Like do we
Speaker 3: want to see Sidney Dye in one of these things,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same, right.
Speaker 3: So that's why when she when she booked, you know
Speaker 3: when when for the for the sixth one, they didn't
Speaker 3: pay her for what she wanted and she's like, see, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was like, good, I'd rather know that she's out
Speaker 3: there alive, you know, right, yeah, this right here, this
Speaker 3: is this is something freaky.
Speaker 2: Yes it is. Yeah, that's right. That's so funny. You're
Speaker 2: you're the stew Yeah, that's right. She's like you both.
Speaker 2: That was like such a great twist too. I mean,
Speaker 2: having two killers, yep, it makes it very confusing, but
Speaker 2: it does.
Speaker 3: Add up and then brilliant.
Speaker 2: They kind of continue with that trend, not in three,
Speaker 2: but in two. There's two people. Yeah, kind of a
Speaker 2: master and an apprentice in that one.
Speaker 3: Yeh. Fifth one for sure, yep.
Speaker 2: And fourth one too, fourth.
Speaker 3: One, I'll say. See, I'm trying to remember sixth though.
Speaker 3: I was. I was telling him this morning, I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't remember who the killer is in the sixth one.
Speaker 2: I don't either. I remember. Now I'm realizing if people
Speaker 2: have seen the first one and they're listening to this,
Speaker 2: and like, I'm gonna watch the entire series, We're like, well,
Speaker 2: in the fourth one is Jeff, and then in the
Speaker 2: fifth one Stevie and Nicole, and in the sixth one
Speaker 2: they were just like completely flatly ruining all of them.
Speaker 2: I remember the conceit it's like his daughter, Billy Loomis's daughter,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's the Melissa Brera character, right right,
Speaker 3: which is great because it gave Skeet a new character
Speaker 3: to play. M well, his old character to play. I
Speaker 3: should say it gave him a new gig. So I
Speaker 3: have to imagine he was just as miffed when when
Speaker 3: Melissa Brera got fired, right, because he had a good
Speaker 3: thing going there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And he's quote quoting in Psycho.
Speaker 3: Which is great because he's named after well, two horror characters.
Speaker 3: I guess I was thinking of Sam Loomis from Psycho,
Speaker 3: but also, uh, doctor Loomis, you know, from from Halloween,
Speaker 3: and and you know those are both good guy characters,
Speaker 3: so to some extent you're unconsciously at least you're supposed
Speaker 3: to think him as a good guy. But yeah, he
Speaker 3: you know, it's he says Anthony Perkins in Psycho. He
Speaker 3: doesn't say Norman Bates yes, and and to me that's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's he's uh, he doesn't. The line between reality and
Speaker 3: fantasy is just blurred for him, you know. I like that.
Speaker 2: I like that, you know, And it makes sense too
Speaker 2: that he.
Speaker 3: He's got this weird oedible thing right because his mom
Speaker 3: left and you know, oh.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think about that, but I just mean that,
Speaker 2: like all the references, it adds up right to the
Speaker 2: beginning scene where he's doing movie trivia with Casey. You know,
Speaker 2: it was interesting too. I read that they had to
Speaker 2: keep trimming this movie to get down to an R rating, right,
Speaker 2: Which did you read about that?
Speaker 3: Just just what I know is that that Wes Craven
Speaker 3: kept leaning on the satire aspect to try to get
Speaker 3: them to look at it differently. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically what it came down to was they
Speaker 2: did make the trims, like we referenced earlier. Even that
Speaker 2: cameraman I think had a little bit more. I think
Speaker 2: his thing was he gets his throat slit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he.
Speaker 2: Lingered on him. And for Wes Craven, he thought that
Speaker 2: was more human and sympathetic and like, this is sad,
Speaker 2: this is a sad thing that's happening, but it was
Speaker 2: too horrifying for the MPAA, and so you know, they
Speaker 2: trimmed some of these deaths or gore or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But what ultimately got the NPAA off their back was
Speaker 2: Bob Weinstein said, stop thinking about it as a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Think of it as a comedy, right, and then they're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that's all it takes. Yeah, apparently, But that I mean,
Speaker 2: like I was saying earlier, I do feel like they
Speaker 2: get a little more. They always remain mysteries and character driven,
Speaker 2: but they become a bit more fun as they go along.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like this one does have kind
Speaker 2: of an edginus to it, maybe the most edginus in
Speaker 2: the real world. Like this is disturbing thinking about high
Speaker 2: school students doing this to each other and this is
Speaker 2: really you know.
Speaker 3: That's really like and it really struck me on this rewatching,
Speaker 3: like these are these are high schoolers that's really messed up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, just killing their peers and taking
Speaker 2: their parents, friends, parents hostage and it's really upsetting. But
Speaker 2: I wouldn't change it. That's why I think it's good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just he just struck the right tone perfectly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tricky, you know. I think as the films
Speaker 3: have gone on, and you know, they try to incorporate,
Speaker 3: you know, new ways in which we interface with the media,
Speaker 3: and you know, we've had much there's much more of
Speaker 3: a social media focus and later ones I think I think,
Speaker 3: I think that's an essential ingredient, right, because it's ultimately
Speaker 3: meta commentary about how we our relationship with media, you know.
Speaker 3: But that's the that's the constant challenge, you know, It's
Speaker 3: like how you know, I mean, supposedly they're already planning
Speaker 3: an eighth one, and you know, they'll keep going as
Speaker 3: long as they can, you know, but it's hard. You know,
Speaker 3: it's hard. How do you how do you keep it fresh?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: You know it's interesting too, just thinking of the violence.
Speaker 2: This was in a moment where people were blaming movies
Speaker 2: a lot more for real world violence, and this movie
Speaker 2: kind of touches on it a little bit, but then
Speaker 2: two goes really into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and and what was it like? It was
Speaker 3: ninety nine, Yeah, because it was when the Matrix came out. Remember,
Speaker 3: people were blaming the Matrix for the Columbine shootings.
Speaker 2: Well, and then they were shooting three. They started right
Speaker 2: after Columbine, so that movie did get toned down as
Speaker 2: a result.
Speaker 3: I remember that of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, that's why that one is probably the least
Speaker 2: uh because gory you you could say that's true.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, like there was this moment where it seemed
Speaker 3: like Hollywood was trying to trim as sales a little
Speaker 3: bit in terms of going into like like really hardcore horror.
Speaker 3: So there was like this dip and then and then
Speaker 3: in the following decade we started getting into the torture porn. Yes, right,
Speaker 3: stuff with like saw and you know whatever, hostile and whatnot.
Speaker 3: You know, right, So it's like there was this momentary pullback.
Speaker 2: Then it's like ah, yeah, yeah, like a pendulum. Then yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly the way to the other.
Speaker 3: Side, all the way to the other Sideah. And then
Speaker 3: and then you get your human centipedes. Yeah, somehow we
Speaker 3: ended up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we failed as a race, a human race
Speaker 2: for a while, but you know, we got it back.
Speaker 2: We got it back in.
Speaker 3: I love this. He stabbed him so much. He's feeling woozy.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because again, like this is like a
Speaker 2: masterclass in balancing tones because that's funny and also really
Speaker 2: really upsetting. Yeah, you know, like the part where he's like,
Speaker 2: my parents are going to kill me. It makes me
Speaker 2: laugh and also makes me really uncomfortable, you know, like
Speaker 2: just thinking about him as a kid. You know, he's
Speaker 2: acting all tough and big and whatever and in charge here,
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, as he's dying,
Speaker 2: he's a kid and worried about what his parents are
Speaker 2: going to think about this, right you know? Well I
Speaker 2: love that too, by the way, where he's like, Houston,
Speaker 2: we have a problem, you know, because they're missing the gun.
Speaker 2: And I mean if this came out in ninety six,
Speaker 2: they probably shot it months after Apollo thirteen had come out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so that's probably something they had just heard,
Speaker 2: but who knew that'd be something that would live on
Speaker 2: in people's memories for that.
Speaker 3: That's a great point, right right, look at that. You
Speaker 3: got to take the safety off, man, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: If there's one thing Scream taught me is that when
Speaker 3: I've got the serial killer dead to rights, make sure
Speaker 3: the gun safety is off.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was reading an interview, well I read an interview
Speaker 2: and I listened to a podcast with Matthew Lillard and
Speaker 2: he was talking about his earlier roles. So I had
Speaker 2: actually seen him before this in Hackers. Do you remember that? Ah, yes,
Speaker 2: that's right, And he plays a really quirky guy in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't see that until later. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: But he was saying, when I look at Hackers, and
Speaker 2: when I look at you know, Scream, especially like the ending,
Speaker 2: I just see this kid overacting, you like, trying too
Speaker 2: hard to be memorable. And he is, like, he has
Speaker 2: a quote, he's like, we were crazy if I ever
Speaker 2: saw somebody do that on and said, be like, dude,
Speaker 2: bring it down fifty eight percent. But I disagree, Like,
Speaker 2: I think he's doing it perfectly, you know. And I
Speaker 2: think the reason it works it adds a strange sort
Speaker 2: of levity to all the awfulness that we're seeing right now.
Speaker 2: It also makes him super unique and interesting and different
Speaker 2: than Billy. And I think why it works too is
Speaker 2: that feels like Matthew Lillard, Yeah, that's good point, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like I think sometimes people try
Speaker 2: to play like, oh, I'll play the crazy guy, but
Speaker 2: they don't have that crazy in their eye. Right, Like
Speaker 2: the first thing they came to mind, was Timothy Shalomey
Speaker 2: playing Wonka. I just never kind of bought like Wonka's
Speaker 2: like a little unhinged. I never quite bought schalome playing
Speaker 2: like a fanciful unhinged guy.
Speaker 3: It just felt like, you don't buy him as a
Speaker 3: child murderer.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I mean, Like he's he's trying
Speaker 2: to do a type that I don't feel like is
Speaker 2: inherent inside of him. Lillard is playing something that comes
Speaker 2: naturally to him. So it just feels kind of fun
Speaker 2: to watch.
Speaker 3: That's right, He's like as is. It's it's like sideshow
Speaker 3: Bob writing the letter with his blood, you know, and
Speaker 3: he's passing out. That's where Stu is.
Speaker 2: Right right, you had been the phone dick. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's it. My parents are gonna be so mad at me.
Speaker 3: And then this, this house ends up becoming like a
Speaker 3: like a hallowed location in in the Scream verse because
Speaker 3: because we come back to it and Scream five, and
Speaker 3: from what I can see in the trailers, it's in
Speaker 3: the in the it's in the seventh one.
Speaker 2: Yep yep used in a pretty unique way. And then
Speaker 2: in three, Sydney visits the set of stab that's right,
Speaker 2: and she gets to see her house and Stew's house
Speaker 2: as these facades. But it's a really creepy moment for
Speaker 2: Oh I read by the way that umbrella gag there
Speaker 2: that they just did ye that the stunt person missed
Speaker 2: the pad that was under Ulrich's shirt. Oh really did
Speaker 2: like stab them with that thing?
Speaker 3: Holy moly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, she didn't really have to put
Speaker 2: that costume.
Speaker 3: I was about to mention that. I was like, is
Speaker 3: there a reason that seems like extra effort?
Speaker 2: It's cool, it's cool imagery.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're gonna make it into a moment,
Speaker 3: I guess, but in.
Speaker 2: Real life, like why obscure your vision?
Speaker 3: But even in the movie, it's not really a moment,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a visual for two seconds.
Speaker 3: Like if it was if it was a thing where
Speaker 3: he opens the door and he sees ghost face and
Speaker 3: he has a momentary ooh you.
Speaker 2: Know yeah, yeah, make more of a moment out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that would be there, you know. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: think of the ways I want to go. Having a
Speaker 3: giant old tube TV dropped on my head. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say that's like a top six ways I don't want
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. It's such a horrifying image seeing
Speaker 2: this guy in a bloody sweater with a tube TV
Speaker 2: that's sparking over him and he's like shaking and convulsing,
Speaker 2: and it still is. But it does make me think
Speaker 2: of how far we've come where this was probably like
Speaker 2: really really intense pushing NC seventeen back in ninety six,
Speaker 2: but like just TV itself and streaming like Game of
Speaker 2: Thrones have gotten so you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: the line is always pushed.
Speaker 3: Now it's just good, clean fun.
Speaker 2: You know what that also makes me think of is
Speaker 2: that movie.
Speaker 3: As she sticks her finger in his wound and we're
Speaker 3: just seeing air of popcorn, laughing.
Speaker 2: Gross point blank. Do you remember that movie where jhene
Speaker 2: Cusy plays a hitman who goes to and he puts
Speaker 2: a tube he throws a tube TV on top of
Speaker 2: Dan Aykroyd. Yep, And I remember that like upsetting.
Speaker 3: Also, well, I'm glad we don't got those types of
Speaker 3: TVs anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank god, thank god we've got the flat screen
Speaker 2: going on now.
Speaker 3: Thank goodness for that. Hopefully this this commentary track does
Speaker 3: not turn out to be my moment of irony where
Speaker 3: I'm like, one way, I definitely don't want to go,
Speaker 3: and then you're listening to this like thirty years from now.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh man, right, that's really unfortunate and accurate.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Was that Pat and Oswald bit where he's talking about
Speaker 2: in the movie where it's like, you know, you see
Speaker 2: Chuck Berry passing guitar as a six year old be like,
Speaker 2: what's that? Yeah, we can kind of smile because we
Speaker 2: know that that's going to be one of the most
Speaker 2: important things in his life. For you. Yeah, this thirty
Speaker 2: years from now is are listening and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I hope the old tube TV bit doesn't happen to me.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows somehow.
Speaker 3: Ever, since I heard that, I always think about that.
Speaker 3: It's like, is this my moment of irony?
Speaker 2: In a right moment of irony? Yes, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Because he talks about it. It's like, you know, you
Speaker 3: have the mo It's it's not Chuck Berry. It's like
Speaker 3: Paul McCartney, That's what it is. Yeah, And it's like,
Speaker 3: oh see, because he's Paul McCartney and he's you know,
Speaker 3: but it's like you know, he's like, I hope my
Speaker 3: Paul mccarton, or he's like, I hope my moment like
Speaker 3: that is where I when I was in grade school
Speaker 3: and I drew a picture of a rhinoceros wearing a dress,
Speaker 3: and my teacher's like, what do you think you are?
Speaker 3: Oswalt's some kind of comedian, and he's like, oh, see's
Speaker 3: funny because he's a comedian. You know. He's like, I
Speaker 3: hope that's my moment of irony and not. Oh so
Speaker 3: that's the guy who when he was forty, he fell
Speaker 3: into the rhino enclosure and he got asked right by
Speaker 3: the rhino. It's right, right, right, man, It's just ironic,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's true. I remember you playing that for
Speaker 2: me many many years ago, and I've always thought about that.
Speaker 2: What is my ironic moment? I don't realize I'm living.
Speaker 3: Now now. Just here, she says something out of a
Speaker 3: scary movie, which we would have been like, hey, she
Speaker 3: said the thing, but of course yes, it's not the thing.
Speaker 3: What's funny is that the movie that became scary movie
Speaker 3: originally had a title that was like I know what
Speaker 3: you screamed last summer or some freaking thing.
Speaker 2: Last Halloween yeah or something yeah, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And because it was like it was like, don't
Speaker 3: be a menace to South Central while drinking your juice
Speaker 3: in the hood. It was like that, but instead they
Speaker 3: called it scary movie. And those movies have gone on
Speaker 3: and done just fine.
Speaker 2: And there's going to be a new one this year.
Speaker 2: Oh there is. I forgot about that. Yeah, I want
Speaker 2: to say August, Wow, look at that. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: wains are back.
Speaker 3: We got your scream here, you got your scary there.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: It's like nineteen the nineties never left.
Speaker 2: Is basically yay, where's hammer I've said. I just told
Speaker 2: someone recently, like I all this nineties stuff coming back,
Speaker 2: and you know, the jeans and everything were are the
Speaker 2: hammer pants? And you know, I said that to someone
Speaker 2: in there, like would you seriously wear hammer pants if
Speaker 2: they came back? And I was like, yes, I would.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 3: You know, we thank you for that.
Speaker 2: One more tid that I had that I have to share.
Speaker 2: I thought this was kind of funny speaking of scary movie.
Speaker 2: So I think it increases with each movie, but there's
Speaker 2: whenever a victor, you know, a potential Victims is running
Speaker 2: away from ghost Face. They're always throwing flower vases at
Speaker 2: his head or beer bottles at his crotch or like,
Speaker 2: you know, like crazy things, and it becomes almost funny,
Speaker 2: like how much he's getting beaten up, and they do
Speaker 2: play for laughs in Scary Movie where she like throws
Speaker 2: a piano down the stairs and he's like running away.
Speaker 2: But apparently they were clocking that in this one, that
Speaker 2: it was starting to become kind of funny. Yeah, how
Speaker 2: clumsy he was or how often he's getting knocked down,
Speaker 2: and so there were extra things he was hit with.
Speaker 2: Apparently Sydney beat him over the head with a picture
Speaker 2: from the wall, okay, and so they cut that out.
Speaker 2: So they found the moment where it was not comic.
Speaker 3: Where the sublime became ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly exactly interesting.
Speaker 3: So I thought that, by the way, that that credit
Speaker 3: sequence that we just saw, there's something freaky vibes right there.
Speaker 2: Dude, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, I always
Speaker 2: think of Predator for some reason. That's the movie I
Speaker 2: think of where you have the end credits and it
Speaker 2: doesn't just say the character's name, you see a little
Speaker 2: clip of them from the movie you just watched, right,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of in slow mo or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at that phone voice, Roger Jackson, my man
Speaker 3: getting second billing.
Speaker 2: He earns it. That makes an impression.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to imagine Scream without his voice. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So what do you think, Well, you know, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you kind of what we started this discussion at where
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, you and I don't come at
Speaker 3: this as horror fans, but we do come at it
Speaker 3: as Scream fans. And I think that's a fascinating sort
Speaker 3: of nether space to find yourself in. You know. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think partly, like I just feel the sense of
Speaker 3: like it just takes me back. It takes me back
Speaker 3: to when this movie came out, and just that whole
Speaker 3: era of not just my life, but like pop culture,
Speaker 3: you know, And so I'm glad that these films. My
Speaker 3: sense is that they do somewhat live on, even though
Speaker 3: I said before that, like, you know, my students don't
Speaker 3: feel any desire to watch the new one, you know,
Speaker 3: but I think for me it plays in a very
Speaker 3: specific way because I lived through that era and I
Speaker 3: was closer in age to the characters in the movie,
Speaker 3: you know, sure, sure, yeah, And that's you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to seeing the new one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to watching it again.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts revisiting? I mean you said you
Speaker 3: saw this not during its initial release, you saw it
Speaker 3: after three came out. Yes, so you were already like
Speaker 3: twenty at that point.
Speaker 2: No, I just enjoyed them.
Speaker 3: Now you're pushing fifty.
Speaker 2: Oh how do I look at them now? Yeah? To me,
Speaker 2: this movie completely holds up. I mean on a story level,
Speaker 2: on a character level, and on a filmmaking level. I
Speaker 2: still find the filmmaking kinetic.
Speaker 3: They shout out to Greg Nicotaro there doing the makeup
Speaker 3: effects see of course of Walking Dead Fame.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, nice, But no, you know what I mean. They
Speaker 2: to me, they remain propulsive and kinetic and cinematic and
Speaker 2: thrilling and fun and scary, and I care about the
Speaker 2: characters and I still find it, you know, fun, you know,
Speaker 2: So I to me, I think this movie completely holds up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the sequels have their own, you know, different personalities,
Speaker 2: and they hold up maybe differently, but this one I
Speaker 2: just feel like it was a great movie. Then I
Speaker 2: think it's still a great movie.
Speaker 3: Now, well, there we go. I think that's a good
Speaker 3: place to leave this discussion. Yeah, but hey, if those
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Speaker 3: My name is Zachi Hason. This has been our commentary
Speaker 3: track for Scream. We will catch you next time. Thanks everybody,