WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:09.519 Welcome Friends is podcast podcasting time show JACKI again Ryan 2 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:13.439 talking about by Now podcast. 3 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:13.880 On read. 4 00:00:19.480 --> 00:00:22.079 Someone is playing a deadly game. 5 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:25.440 It all began with the scream over nine one one. 6 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:31.600 No, he's taken his love of fear. Hella, hello, Sidney, 7 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:33.960 one step too far. 8 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:41.039 Any here, never ever, ever, under any circumstances say I'll 9 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:42.960 be right back. I'll be right back. 10 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:51.880 He didn't make the rules, He just kills by them. Squeam. 11 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:55.159 Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is 12 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.280 Zaki Hassan and Brian Hall. 13 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:02.520 Yes, do you like scared movies? I like this one. 14 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:05.519 Yeah, it's a short list, but this is definitely on there. 15 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.760 I was wondering with this popping up in our feet 16 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:11.879 if people are like, oh, the movie film boys don't 17 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:13.519 talk about horror movies very often. 18 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:16.519 You know. We like to mix things up every once 19 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:17.040 in a while. 20 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:18.840 Yeah, yeah, And I would say, I mean, we've been 21 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:21.560 doing this for over a decade now, and I feel 22 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:24.760 like we watch a lot more in recent years than 23 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:25.239 we used to. 24 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.439 You know, when people ask him what genres I like, 25 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:32.920 I tend to say I'm open to anything good in 26 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:36.359 any genre, and that applies to horror as well, absolutely, 27 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:40.040 and certainly for Scream, which is the subject of our 28 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:44.200 commentary track today. The timing is apropos in a multitude 29 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:46.560 of ways. Number One, as we speak, we are on 30 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:50.239 the eve of the release of Scream seven seven, yeah, 31 00:01:50.280 --> 00:01:53.159 which is itself nuts. But we are speaking in the 32 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.840 year that is the thirtieth anniversary of the first film's release. 33 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:01.359 Yeah, which lines up nicely. But we have been talking 34 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:03.640 about this one for years. I feel like, you know, 35 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:04.959 it's nice to finally be here. 36 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.240 Yeah, and who knows, maybe we are beginning another journey 37 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:10.680 through an entire franchise. 38 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.159 Oh yeah, Well, I gotta say I did watch two, three, 39 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.960 and four, Oh wow, after I watched this one. Really Okay, 40 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:20.680 I watched this one a little early to prepare, and 41 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:22.599 I had a couple of nights where I didn't have 42 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:24.439 anything to watch, and I was like, well, I don't 43 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:26.080 remember two very well. So I did two, and I 44 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:27.159 was like three, then I did four. 45 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.319 So wow, See, you're more caught up than me, because 46 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.560 it's been a minute since I've seen those ones. Okay, yeah, yeah, 47 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:37.719 but yeah it you know, it was what a time 48 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:38.719 capsule this movie is. 49 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:42.560 Oh yeah, definitely. I mean, and that's what's so weird 50 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.520 is because they're still coming out. Yeah, and they still 51 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:50.599 have you know, major characters and actors appearing in them. 52 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:53.400 It doesn't feel like it's been as long. But then 53 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:54.960 when you really think about it, yeah, this is the 54 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:58.439 mid nineties. We're talking about thirty years that is. 55 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:00.360 You know, this is a discussion I was having that 56 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:02.680 somebody and anybody listening, feel free to correct me if 57 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:04.840 I'm wrong, but I feel like this is the only 58 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:10.599 horror franchise to have lasted this long and maintain a 59 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:14.159 single continuity, right, yeah, right, I think this is it. 60 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:18.960 Yeah. I'd be happy to know if anyone is different. 61 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:22.560 Because there's there's franchises that have lasted longer, but they've restarted, 62 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:27.719 you know, sometimes multiple times, right right. But Scream is 63 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.479 what it is, and I think that's why we like it. Yeah. 64 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.199 Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting into why we like 65 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:38.159 this movie, especially not being horror ficionados. 66 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:41.919 Yeah. Yeah, well, hey, let's let's do it. So we 67 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:45.199 are going to watch nineteen ninety six is Scream the 68 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:48.360 first film, not to be confused with the twenty twenty 69 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:50.039 one film also called Scream. 70 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:51.719 Right, which is actually Scream five. 71 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.319 That is a scre five of them, as I call it, yeah. 72 00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:59.360 Which sounds like the way John Lovets would sneeze five. 73 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:08.159 Now there there there was like a like an unrated 74 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.080 cut released on DVD at some point. 75 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:13.520 Yeah, And I gotta be honest, I'm a little confused 76 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:19.360 about which is the major available version because reading about 77 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.839 the you know, cuts that they had made I feel 78 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:24.000 like I saw those cuts in the version I watched, 79 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.199 which is labeled as rated R. So so. 80 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.399 I'm I'm watching the one that's available. I don't I 81 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:37.079 have not seen it readily available an unrated cut. 82 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.639 Same. Yeah, I'm watching the one that's you know, off 83 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:44.439 of Voodoo, the one from Paramount Plus, and it's labeled 84 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:45.240 as being rated R. 85 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.360 And it's an hour and fifty one minutes and three seconds. 86 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:49.639 Yeah, exactly. 87 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.399 So that's what we're watching. If you got that handy 88 00:04:52.399 --> 00:04:54.439 you could, you can cue it up and if you 89 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:56.040 want to watch along with this. If not, you know, 90 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.879 we'll try to do our thing to make the conversation interesting. 91 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:01.920 Hopefully we pull you in. But either way, we're about 92 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:04.399 to do this. I'm ready, all right, So we'll do 93 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.560 the usual thing. I will count to three, one, two, three, 94 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:07.920 and then play ready, Brian. 95 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:08.399 I'm ready. 96 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:15.839 Here we go, one, two, three, play Dimension films. 97 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:17.000 Even that takes me back. 98 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:20.480 That's a blast from the past, right yeah, Beck when 99 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.120 this was a Disney owned franchise. 100 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:26.720 Right wow, Yeah, you know it's funny too. By the way, 101 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.720 So that scream title card that appears right there, yeah, 102 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:31.519 I'm used to. I've seen so many of the other 103 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.639 ones now, I'm used to that more kinetic stylize, you know, 104 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:38.360 like a slash coming across the screen and the letters 105 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.639 coming at you. And so I was I haven't watched 106 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:43.680 this one in many years, and so seeing that, I 107 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:45.199 was like, oh, that looks like something made in like 108 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:49.040 a Microsoft text program. You know, it just looks so 109 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:53.079 right aged versus the title cards we get now, which 110 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:55.680 is kind of funny. But I gotta say, I think 111 00:05:55.720 --> 00:05:58.160 the movie itself, I mean, looking at it right now, 112 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.959 appears pretty ageless to me. Yeah right, I mean even 113 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:05.959 not just the look of the film, but even the 114 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:10.240 styles we see in it, Like it doesn't feel overtly nineties. 115 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.519 I feel like a movie, I mean, Clueless is an 116 00:06:12.560 --> 00:06:15.240 exaggeration of the nineties. But you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 117 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.639 like big Neon colors, or you know, hammer Pants or 118 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:19.399 anything like that. 119 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:26.160 Well, I think that goes to Wes Craven, who who 120 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.680 had a similar sensibility with the first Nightmare on Elm Street. 121 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.480 I think I think that one is more ageless than 122 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.439 some of the other films in that series. Sure, right, right, 123 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:38.639 you know, admit it. I mean, that's the only one 124 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.120 I've seen recently, is hit the original Nightmare on Elm Street. 125 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.000 Same Actually, yeah, you know, but you know, you dip 126 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.399 into the other one. The other ones feel much more. 127 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.000 Eighties sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. 128 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:53.000 You know Wes Craven who was trying to get away 129 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:57.560 from the horror genre and it kept getting its claws 130 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.680 into him. You know, isn't that kind of interesting? 131 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:02.720 I mean, he is just synonymous with horror. He's on 132 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:04.240 the Mount Rushmore of horror. 133 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:07.160 That says to direct horror. 134 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:11.240 That's true, that's true, But I mean creating one of 135 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.680 the most iconic horror icons of all time. But yeah, 136 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.600 he wanted to make music of the heart, you know, 137 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:20.000 with Meryl Street interesting. 138 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:22.600 Which he did do after the first two Screams. 139 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.240 Finally got to do it. He got the whatever cachet 140 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:28.199 back that he needed because he was he was I 141 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:30.360 think struggling a little bit before this, right like he 142 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.560 had he had done. I want to say the Wes 143 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.079 Craven's New Nightmare. 144 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:35.680 Which is good. Yeah, that's a good movie. 145 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:37.600 I enjoyed that one. You know, It's funny. I saw 146 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:39.639 that one recently too, because they were doing like a 147 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.480 horror series at my local movie theater and they played 148 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.879 one and New Nightmare, and New Nightmare feels like it's 149 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.279 walking toward this movie a little bit, and it's metanists 150 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.680 and you know, the tropes of a horror film playing 151 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:58.240 into the plot. But this, this movie is just perfection 152 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:01.319 because it's the marriage of an ex horror director and 153 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:03.319 I just I don't want to just limit to horror, 154 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.639 just like thriller director. I mean, this movie really, to 155 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:09.519 me feels more like a thriller mystery than a horror film. 156 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:15.079 And you've got this incredibly sharp script from Kevin Williamson, right. 157 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.240 Kevin Williamson really coming out the barrel hot. 158 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:22.120 Yeah, you know, yeah, although he might not feel that 159 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.040 way because he had written teaching Missus Tingle before this 160 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.600 and I know what you did last summer before this, 161 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:34.480 which people didn't have any interest in. And then one 162 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.720 night I guess he was home alone and watching movies 163 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.000 and I think he watched a documentary or something about 164 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:42.720 a killer and. 165 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:45.279 The Gainsborough Killer I think it was. 166 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:47.799 Yeah, and it just all fed into his imagination. And 167 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.759 then he came up with this script which became super hot, 168 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:57.039 Big Bidding War, and then this relaunched the slasher genre, right, 169 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.120 and so then all of a sudden, you know, the 170 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:00.799 script for I Know What You Did Last Summer, which 171 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:04.559 nobody wanted, became a hot item after this, which I 172 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.639 had forgotten. I lumped that in with this era, but 173 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.120 I had forgotten that he was actually a part. 174 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.919 Of that, right, But but I mean the version that 175 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:15.559 was made, he he didn't really have much to do with. 176 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:16.480 That's my understanding. 177 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:18.320 Oh okay, okay, I can see that. 178 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:20.240 Like like he did an earlier draft. I could I 179 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.879 could be wrong, but obviously just just putting putting his 180 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:27.080 name on it, you know from the writer's scream that 181 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:30.080 that match. Sure? Yeah, right, right now we should talk 182 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:36.159 about Drew Barrymore playing Janet Lee role in this movie exactly. Yes, Now, initially, 183 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:40.240 what what got what what got this movie rolling was 184 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:42.840 the fact that she was interested in in starring in it. 185 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:47.039 They wanted her to play Sydney, and her schedule didn't 186 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.360 allow for it, so so instead she does the cameo, 187 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:53.159 which is so much better, right not it not even 188 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.320 because like I think she would she probably would have 189 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:58.679 been just fine as Sydney, but I think I think 190 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:04.559 she was a big enough star that whereas with Nev Campbell, 191 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:07.120 who was familiar but not as familiar, there was still 192 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:12.240 a sense of danger. I think if Drew Barrymore plays Sydney, 193 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:14.960 she's you go in thinking she's gonna make it to 194 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:15.320 the end. 195 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.440 And she was on the poster, yeah, right, Like that's 196 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.159 her face with her mouth being covered by a hand 197 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.000 on the poster, so you think this is a Drew 198 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:27.240 Barrymore movie, which is brilliant because then, yeah, it lures 199 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.559 you in with her star power, and I think it 200 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:34.279 adds something to this opening like vignette, right. I mean, 201 00:10:34.279 --> 00:10:37.639 you could put a really talented actress that you don't 202 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.399 know as well, and I'm sure she would crush it. 203 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:44.919 But there's something about having Drew Barrymore's starlight, you know, 204 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.639 going off in this whole thing that just really makes 205 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.159 it this movie pop off. 206 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:56.440 Yeah, you know that's something they continued to do with 207 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:59.039 the sequels, you know, with Jada Pinkett right in the 208 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.159 next one, and then and then leave Schreiber in the 209 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:02.279 beginning of the third one. 210 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:04.759 Yeah, yeah, and then in the fourth one they go 211 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:06.639 like crazy meta where it's like a movie with then 212 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.480 a movie with then a movie all with stars, you know, 213 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.960 these sort of cold opens. But it's interesting too because 214 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:19.440 Drew Barrymore was also kind of in a interesting part 215 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:21.399 of her career, right, Like she had been a child star, 216 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:22.559 obviously she was. 217 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.639 She was in between wild child flashing her boobs at 218 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:29.840 Letterman and hey, I love Flowers and Rain. 219 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:32.960 Exactly, I mean exactly that, and she was making stuff 220 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:36.840 like Poison Ivy, you know, kind of like a Skinemaxy 221 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:37.600 sort of movie. 222 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:39.720 And she was one of she was one of the 223 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:41.480 Amy Fishers, if I'm not mistake. 224 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:44.720 Exactly like a made for TV Amy Fisher movie, I believe, Yeah, 225 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.840 and which we wouldn't associate her with now, you know, 226 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:51.240 she's like Drew Barrymore producer mogul, right, yeah, So she 227 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:53.919 had this little dip for a moment there, and then 228 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:57.360 remember she was like almost you know, she had four 229 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:01.559 lines as like a minor henchwoman and Batman forever. 230 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:02.720 Yep, just the year before this. 231 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:06.559 Yeah, but then she just popped right back after this 232 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.320 with wedding singer and ever after and never been kissed 233 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:14.480 and you know, never Charlie's Angels. Charlie's Angels of course. Yeah, 234 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.519 you know. I this opening is so iconic, and it's 235 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.279 funny to also think of it as like classic now 236 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:24.080 because I don't think of it as classic because I 237 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:27.399 was there right now thirty years later. This is kind 238 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:27.879 of classic. 239 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.279 I mean, I mean, this is Marilynd Crane in the shower, 240 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:33.279 you know. Yeah, yeah, that level of iconic. And by 241 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:35.399 the way, I should say I didn't know until this 242 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.879 scene in this exchange just now that Jason Boorhees is 243 00:12:38.919 --> 00:12:40.519 not the killer in the First Friday of the thirteenth, 244 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:42.240 because I had not seen that movie. 245 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:45.960 I probably learned that from this too. Yeah. Yeah, but 246 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.360 that's this is such a I really am excited to 247 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:52.559 talk about this moment. But I mean, this is post 248 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.360 pulp fiction, right, which is in nineteen ninety four where 249 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:02.279 dialogue got a little bit more you know, conversational, right, 250 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:06.360 So this is like a really fun it's conversational, but 251 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:10.000 it's also menacing, you know, it's sort of like the 252 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.720 best of all the worlds of this moment. 253 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:14.600 You got a little Tarantino, little Kevin Smith. 254 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:20.360 Yeah. Yeah, it's meta, it's terrifying. It's referencing movies like 255 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.840 the That was the thing that happened in the nineties, right, 256 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:28.879 people characters in movies started talking about movies, right like Clerks. 257 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.159 I remember watching Clerks and it was revelatory where they 258 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:34.519 were talking about star wars in a movie. That's right, 259 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.480 because I'm like, well, that's what I think about, you know. 260 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:39.360 And so that's what's so brilliant about this. It isn't 261 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:41.360 just a slasher movie. This is a slasher movie being 262 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:44.039 experienced by characters who are familiar with slasher movies. 263 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.120 That's right, by the way, this bit right here where 264 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:49.519 the killer says, what door am I at? You only 265 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:52.840 realize on reviewing how devious that is because he's at 266 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:53.440 both doors. 267 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:57.639 Yes, because there's two of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 268 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.639 That's definitely. This is one of those movies that really 269 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.039 does hold up to rewatch is because you start realizing 270 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.600 all the ways that that Stu and Billy are laying 271 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.039 out their their scheme. 272 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:11.200 That's that's what makes an interest. 273 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.159 Story spoiler to anyone listening to us talk through a 274 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:16.360 thirty year old movie. But Stu and Billy are the killers. 275 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:18.159 Yeah, so I mean you can watch it for the 276 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.120 first time and try to figure it out, which is 277 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.639 a one of the biggest components about why I love 278 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:24.320 these movies is they're mysteries. 279 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:25.000 Yeah. 280 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:28.360 Right, And but then when you rewatch it, Yeah, you're 281 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:34.559 trying to figure out which appearance of ghost face is who? Yeah, right, 282 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.919 And I think I hadn't remembered this. But later when 283 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:44.320 the kids are talking, they say that Stu was dumped 284 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.360 by Casey, the Drew Barrymore character. 285 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:48.559 Ah So, because I. 286 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.159 Was wondering, like, Okay, this is a great cold open, 287 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:51.759 but why are they going after her because she's not 288 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:55.320 related to Sydney's family or any of that trauma. But 289 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:58.879 it's like, well, apparently he was dumped by her, and 290 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:00.840 so I mean this could be like a warm up 291 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:02.639 for them or you know. 292 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:04.320 Hmm makes sense. 293 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:06.960 Yeah, also, oh you know. 294 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:10.679 Please, Well, the the initial warm up was, of course 295 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:11.679 Sydney's mom. 296 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:16.639 Well that's good point, good point a year earlier, right, and. 297 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:19.480 And real quick, actually, while we're talking about which ghost faces, 298 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:23.440 which the ghost face that's about to pop up right 299 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.759 right here in just a second. That is Wes Craven. 300 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:32.960 Oh really yeah, this guy right here, that's Wes Craven. 301 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:36.399 Oh funny, he took one on the bean as she 302 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:38.759 hits him with the cell the not even the cell 303 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:43.279 phone on the court list. Yeah, this scene, this scene 304 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:45.799 terrifies me. It really does. Just that sense of like 305 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:49.159 they're so close, her parents are so close. Yes, it's 306 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.879 just it's even now. I mean, I'm a forty six 307 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:54.679 year old man, I still find this terrifying. 308 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:58.679 Yes, And there's that horrifying nightmare feeling where her parents 309 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:00.720 are right there and she's trying to call for them 310 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:03.559 but you can't get them ways out. Yeah, and you know, 311 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.799 I mean this the opening, this and the ending of 312 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:10.000 the movie are really disturbing. Yeah, you know what I mean, 313 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.679 like seeing this girl killed just feet away from her parents, 314 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:17.200 and just thinking about these kids, these maniacal kids playing 315 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:19.360 god and just killing their peers. 316 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:19.960 And really messed up. 317 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:22.360 And then the last act where they're just maiming each 318 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.399 other and you're just thinking about it, like they're just kids, 319 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:24.919 and they're. 320 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:27.000 So they're supposed to be in high school. They look 321 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:31.759 like they're you know, thirty two, right, right, but yeah, 322 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:33.200 they're supposed to be in high school. 323 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.360 But like that disturbing element I think is good because 324 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.559 that's what grounds this movie. Yeah, right, because if it 325 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.320 was just fun, then I don't think this mystery, this 326 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.000 take on a horror film would work quite right if 327 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:53.759 it was just a romp. Yeah, we need to feel 328 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:54.559 bad about all this. 329 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:58.879 So that's something really essential, right, is that the longer 330 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:04.839 the nineteen eighties slasher franchises would go on, the more 331 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.759 people started rooting for the killer exactly right. You know, 332 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.599 Freddy Krueger became the star, and it's like, what crazy 333 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:13.839 way is Freddie gonna kill people? And I find that 334 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:19.359 very discomforting, you know, And and I don't think that's 335 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.279 the case with Scream, partly because there there is no 336 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.119 ghost face, right, It's not a person, it's a presence, 337 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.759 and so you're not really rooting for ghost face, right. 338 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.480 You know, right, like you just want to figure out 339 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:36.119 what's going on and you want to need to survive, 340 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.519 that's right. Yeah. So yeah, I mean every time I 341 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:42.880 watch this movie, the opening upsets me, and even the 342 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:46.359 ending I find just really upsetting. Just didn't by the 343 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:47.119 way that. 344 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:48.400 That bit right there, real quick, all right, I mean 345 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.279 interrupt he says, drive down to the Mackenzies. That's a 346 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:56.519 little call out to the First Halloween where Lorie Strode 347 00:17:56.519 --> 00:17:59.400 says the same thing, right right right, and then and 348 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.799 then Kevin Williamson, who wrote Halloween h twenty, which came 349 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.000 out just a couple of years after this, he has 350 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.119 he has Laurie say drive down to the Beckers. 351 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:11.880 So it's oh funny, Yeah, I like that. 352 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:14.480 Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. 353 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:16.799 No, no, no, no, I just I just feel like that's 354 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:20.480 part of what makes the upsetting nature of it and 355 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:22.839 making these feel like real kids, and we don't want them, 356 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:25.799 we don't feel great about them doing these things. That 357 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:31.039 is what makes this more grounded and you know, thrilling 358 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:34.000 and vital as we're in urgent, as we're as we 359 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:34.720 watch them, you know. 360 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:35.599 Right. 361 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:42.279 So we got a what's his name? Uh, skeet alrich 362 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.079 Ye looks a lot like Johnny Deppy. 363 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.480 Clearly he was cast. It's based on his right, Johnny 364 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.039 Depp in the First Night right down Street. 365 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.599 Yep, by the way, this whole door closet conceit where 366 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:56.519 they bump into each other, so the you know, person 367 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:57.880 can't get in the Sydney's bedroom. 368 00:18:58.240 --> 00:18:58.440 Yeah. 369 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:00.319 I remember thinking like, ah, what a bed does you 370 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.519 know watching these movies, even though it's great, it's brilliant 371 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:07.359 for the action sequence. But then my brother and his 372 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.839 wife bought a house and they have this exact situation 373 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:12.400 really because sometimes I'll go over there and like house 374 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:14.039 it or dog sit or something, and when I try 375 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:16.920 to go in through the back, if their closet doors open, 376 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:20.039 that door the garage door will bump into it. And 377 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:20.920 every time I'm. 378 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:22.799 Like, well, I'll be that's really funny. 379 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:24.200 It actually does work that way. 380 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:27.480 By the way. One thing that you realize on rewatch 381 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:29.799 is the whole reason Billy shows up here when you 382 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:32.839 think about it, it's to distract Sydney. Yep, because Stu 383 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.279 is kidnapping the dad. Oh yeah, right, right, because the 384 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:39.400 dad wearing the exact same clothes at the end of 385 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:39.880 the movie. 386 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:43.079 That's right, because he's supposed to be at a conference. 387 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:46.039 And then later they say that he never checked into 388 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:48.039 that hotel, so he never made it there. 389 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.440 So you realize like, oh, yeah, that's kind of brilliant, 390 00:19:51.640 --> 00:19:52.119 and he's. 391 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.039 Acting kind of weird. 392 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:53.680 Yep. 393 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:59.039 You know, you could think he's just brooding teen or something, 394 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:01.200 but like, yeah, there's like a whole thing going on 395 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:05.640 downstairs he's trying to keep her from Yeah, exactly, that's good. 396 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:08.440 You know. I wanted to call something out that related 397 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:13.960 to the first scene, which is I read this thing 398 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.720 where you know, Bob Weinstein, who I guess produced this, 399 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:18.359 did both Weinsteines produce this? 400 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.200 I think dimension was more Bob's dominion. 401 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.079 Okay, that's my understanding too, But I guess after watching 402 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:28.359 the dailies from the opening because that was the first 403 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:30.559 thing they shot, like the first five days of shooting 404 00:20:30.599 --> 00:20:31.799 was the Drew Barrymore sequence. 405 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:33.039 Okay. 406 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:40.119 He criticized Wes Craven's work as workmanlike at best. Okay, 407 00:20:40.279 --> 00:20:42.440 isn't that amazing? And he also said that he thought 408 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.599 the mask was flat and not scary, and so he 409 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:50.240 demanded that they reshoot the opening scene with different masks 410 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:52.720 to figure out which one worked best. But it's funny because, 411 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:54.599 as we were saying, I mean, that opening scene is 412 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:58.519 iconic and the tension is crazy, and like, I look 413 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:02.079 to these movies as an example the way I like 414 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:04.680 movies to look. Right, you know what I mean they're 415 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:07.839 shot with these anamorphic lenses that give it that, you know, distorted, 416 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.319 highly cinematic feel that I think add to a lot 417 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:13.319 of the tension. Yeah, you know, I think the editing 418 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:16.599 is really well done. So it's just ironic all these 419 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:18.680 years later that Craven was having to listen to that 420 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:21.119 as he was shooting, as he was going on to 421 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:22.640 make something that everybody. 422 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:25.759 Would it's it's it's similar to the type of notes 423 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:29.279 that Bob Zamachus had to deal with while while making 424 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:32.960 Back to the Future. Right, you know that in hindsight 425 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:34.480 are hilarious, you know. 426 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.880 Right right, yeah, right right? You know it was kind 427 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.079 of funny and fortuitous. Was last night I was flipping 428 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:46.200 channels on Pluto, if you can even call those channels, 429 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:50.240 and a scary movie was on Means Brother's Parody, and 430 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.960 I watched like the first thirty or forty minutes of it. Yeah, 431 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:55.640 and I hadn't seen it in a while. I'd seen 432 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.799 a chunk of it a couple months ago, but now 433 00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:02.799 having just rewatched screen, I didn't realize how almost beat 434 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:05.000 for beat a movie is riffing. 435 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.720 It's like a mad magazine parody of this movie. 436 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.759 You know yet right down to the dialogue in this 437 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:14.119 scene where you know, he's wanting to like get more 438 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:16.440 physical and she's like, would you settle for pg? Thirteen? 439 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.920 Like all that, I was like, oh wow, it was. 440 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:21.319 It was fun to see it riffed, but it's so 441 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:22.319 fresh in my head. 442 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:27.359 The intro with the Carmen Electra that's that's the in 443 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.839 the Drew Barrymore rule. That's right. Scary movie. By the way, 444 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:33.279 of course, the original title for this one, which it 445 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:35.759 kept fairly late into the process. 446 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:38.799 Yeah. I think all their rap gifts and everything had 447 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:46.200 scary movie printed on them, is what I read. I 448 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:51.440 read also that they had a high school set up that. 449 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:55.200 They have like Santa Rosa, some kind of high school 450 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:55.920 in Santa Rosa. 451 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.400 Yeah, and they, you know, were all prepared to shoot there. 452 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.480 But then I guess us the school read the script. 453 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.799 I don't know why they wouldn't have in the first place. Yeah, right, 454 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.319 just because of how violent it was. I guess what 455 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.279 I had read. I don't know how accurate this is, 456 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.039 but they had been under the impression that it was 457 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.519 a comedy, okay, and so then looking at it again, 458 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:17.440 seeing how violent it was, they pulled out at the 459 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:18.119 last minute. 460 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:18.680 Yep. 461 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:21.160 So did you see this We're in the credits, yep. 462 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:25.039 Under the special thanks they put no thanks whatsoever to 463 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:27.440 the Santa Rosa City School District governing board. 464 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:30.480 Yep. Yeah, apparently they had like a like a a 465 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:35.200 kind of kind of a handshake deal and then yeah, 466 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:41.039 it all fell through at the end. Yeah, yeah, it is. 467 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:43.839 It is funny to watch these so called high school 468 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:45.680 kids and be like, they do not, in any way, 469 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:47.359 shape orform look like high school kids. 470 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:50.039 No, but it was the style at the time, right. 471 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.680 That's we'll see. That's I don't watch enough like teen 472 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.279 movies these days to know if that has changed at all. 473 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:57.599 Ye, that's a good question. 474 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:01.000 I don't know. Right, one presumes that remained the style. 475 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:05.279 Right, I don't know. I mean it used to be 476 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:10.400 because of like working hours. Right, Like if you had 477 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:12.559 an actor who was over a certain age, you didn't 478 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:17.240 have to worry about on set tutoring and they can 479 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.720 only work X amount of hours a day, and so 480 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:22.079 instead of I'm hitting a sixteen year old, hire a 481 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:23.880 twenty two year old who looks sixteen. 482 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:29.240 Right, Yeah, but I mean nev Campbell does not look 483 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:31.680 like a teenager. This. I don't know, maybe I'm maybe 484 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:32.400 I'm wrong. 485 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:37.160 You know, it's funny, Yes, yes, And I caught like 486 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:39.640 two seconds of the movie Valley Girl the other night 487 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.279 and I was like, these guys look like they're thirty two. Yeah, 488 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:45.039 you know what I mean, like even older than the 489 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.599 characters in this movie, at least they Well I don't 490 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:51.559 know how it would have felt back then, but now, 491 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:54.279 you know, being in my forties, I think they look 492 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.079 young in quotes. 493 00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:58.119 Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, exactly. 494 00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:04.400 Yeah, I mean this Scary movie. It's just so fick 495 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:06.240 because that's the one that's fresh in my mind now. 496 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:08.680 So yeah, I look at this scene here and I 497 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:13.880 imagine the Scary Movie parody version, Yeah, with Sean Wayns 498 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:17.519 and with Shannon Elizabeth. Right. 499 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:21.279 Yeah, what an amazing shot though, too, Isn't it like 500 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.279 that just really utilizes the widescreen there and we get 501 00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:26.480 all those kids lined up from edge to edge. 502 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.240 Yeah, it's great. 503 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:38.359 You know, it's funny because sometimes I will talk about 504 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:41.000 movies now and we're recording this in twenty twenty six, 505 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.519 where I'll hear kids talking younger kids, teens or something, 506 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.920 and I get a little annoyed with younger characters speak, 507 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.319 you know, like I would say now. To me, it 508 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.880 feels like this kind of faux improv attempting to sound 509 00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:59.839 natural style, like very self aware, where they're always. 510 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.519 Like okay, mumblecore. 511 00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.319 Yeah, like you know, they'll say something like that gives 512 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.640 me the ick? Did I just say that right now? 513 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.160 You know, like that kind of thing. But to be fair, 514 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:14.920 Zachi our era might have been even more annoying because 515 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:17.519 I mean, we really think about it, this movie is 516 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:23.480 like stepping into that very knowing, yeah, you know, overly 517 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.599 flowery sort of dialogue. But Dawson's Creek would just jump 518 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:28.160 into the deep end of the pool with it. 519 00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:31.200 A deep end of the creek. Yeah, and well I 520 00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:35.039 remember a Dawson's Creek where somebody said to somebody like, 521 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:38.920 you know, I see a sense of melancholy on your face. 522 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:42.799 And I was like, bullshit, bullshit. 523 00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.720 Nobody says that, right, or even I mean clerks, which 524 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.440 I still adore clerks, but you know, they talk in 525 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:55.000 this really yeah, flowery sort of way that's fun to 526 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.440 listen to, but you would never encounter people just that's 527 00:26:58.480 --> 00:26:59.559 not casual conversation. 528 00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:02.480 I think that to some extent, you sort of have 529 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:06.519 to look at it like William speak and Smith speak 530 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.400 and Tarantino speak and Mammut speak and sork and speak, 531 00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.079 you know what I mean, Like you're just in the 532 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:15.839 world of this writer, and this is how characters written 533 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:17.240 by this writer speak. 534 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:22.240 And when they do go well, it's enjoyable, even as 535 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:27.039 like crazy as it might eventually get or heightened. I think, Yeah, 536 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.960 it's hard watching or listening to people imitate it and not. 537 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.240 Do it well. And here's a lot of that. 538 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.039 Yeah. But anyway, I'm using this as a moment to 539 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:39.759 call myself out for criticizing dialogue that I'm hearing these days, 540 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:43.160 because you know, I was forged in this so I. 541 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:47.680 Watched this movie, and certainly on rewatch it occurs to 542 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:55.519 me that I don't know that that people referenced movies 543 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.359 as much as they do in. 544 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.880 This film in this era. 545 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.160 Yeah, sure, I mean certainly. Now I think we're like, 546 00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:09.000 we're way past that, h I mean, back then, movies 547 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:12.039 still represented sort of a linguo franca, you know, like 548 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:16.240 it was it was like a shared vernacular one. But 549 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.279 even still, I feel like the folks were like, oh dude, 550 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.160 it's like remember in Silence of the Lambs when this happened. 551 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.160 I feel like that was a pretty pretty niche group 552 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:26.920 even then. 553 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:31.519 Which I kind of dig though, because it I made 554 00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.680 it cool, you know, for people like us who knew 555 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:34.759 what they were talking about. 556 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.519 You know what. Yeah, sure, I'll take that. We we 557 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.000 weren't dorks, so we were cool. 558 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:43.079 Yeah and no, But I agree with you ticket well. 559 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.519 I think about this sometimes with gifts, right, because it 560 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:49.400 used to be, yeah, like you know, dorks like us, 561 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.960 we would reference really deep cut simpsony things, lines that 562 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.640 had nothing to do with what we were talking about, 563 00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.279 but the feeling matched. I could send you something completely unrelated, 564 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:00.559 but you'd understand the feeling from that scene the Simpsons 565 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:02.720 and know what I meant in this moment, you know, 566 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.960 when I was talking to you. And I couldn't do 567 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:06.839 that with as many people. But now we're in the 568 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:12.759 age where, like memes and gifts, everybody is now using 569 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.720 those things in movie quotes and even just still images 570 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.039 of a certain expression from the. 571 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.480 Office, people who don't know what it's from. 572 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.960 Right as shorthand, Like it's like it that became to 573 00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:25.240 speak now for everybody. 574 00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:25.960 That's a good point. 575 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:26.799 Isn't that nuts? 576 00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:31.440 Huh? 577 00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.440 This by the way where it was shot. I dated 578 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.039 someone many many years ago who lived up in Marin 579 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:42.039 County where a bulk of this was shot, and we 580 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.720 passed Stu's house. She was like, oh, yeah, that's the 581 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:46.200 house from Scream, and I was like, well, I'll be 582 00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.400 darned like it was. I mean, it is out out there, 583 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.680 out like really out in the country. And so I 584 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:56.240 had forgotten, you know, I remember them being in town, 585 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:58.799 but like shots like this, I had forgotten that this 586 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.640 was the location Scream, like and he's rolling hills. 587 00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:03.359 Yeah. 588 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:04.960 And so when I was watching it again this time, 589 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.559 I was like, oh, yeah, that looks exactly like where 590 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:09.200 we would visit when we'd go see her family. 591 00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:10.359 Huh. Incredible. 592 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.920 Yeah, Tamala's Bay up in Marin County. 593 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.319 Nice, not too far from where I am. 594 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:17.720 Yeah, right right. 595 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.400 So Nev Campbell at the time, I mean, this really 596 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.960 did launch her movie career. Mm hm. At the time, 597 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:31.160 she was best known for Party of Five, right, she 598 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.799 was what's her name, Julia? I think on that show 599 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:35.359 did you watch Party of Five? Were your part? Were 600 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:36.720 you a fiver? I don't know, I don't know what 601 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.759 the fans of that show are called. 602 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:40.880 No, but I remember it pretty well. 603 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:46.000 That was definitely zeitgeisty, right exactly exactly. 604 00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.519 I'm sure I saw the ads every week, you know, 605 00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.440 Matthew Fox. Like when when Loss started, I was like, oh, 606 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:53.599 it's the guy from Party of Five. 607 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:54.680 That's right. You know. 608 00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.079 Jennifer Love Hewitt came from. 609 00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.279 That, right, she got her start there. 610 00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:58.640 Yeah. 611 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.160 Yeah, pretty much everybody from that show went on to 612 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:03.440 have a pretty decent career. 613 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.039 Yeah. I can't think of the other who's that actress 614 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:07.759 she was in Mean. 615 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.720 Girls and Lacy Shavert? Yeah right, right, right, Yeah, she's 616 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:13.279 done all right, she's she's got a steady litany of 617 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.519 Hallmark holiday movies that she's in. 618 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.599 You know, I wonder if that's nice just getting to 619 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:24.839 live Christmas all year round, hey man, as long as 620 00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.240 the check clears, Oh absolutely, Or if it's like the 621 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:29.279 the you know in The Simpsons when they go to 622 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:31.400 Itchy and Scratchy Land and they go to that restaurant 623 00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:42.440 that's New Year's even kill me? Yeah exactly. Yeah, So 624 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.440 here we go Sydney's counter. 625 00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:46.799 Poor Randy Man. I was thinking, like, that guy is 626 00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.000 getting tagged with everything in this movie, right, that's what 627 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.680 you get for being like a weird movie dork. You 628 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.359 gotta like you gotta stow that shit a little bit. 629 00:31:55.640 --> 00:32:02.039 Right, Yeah, the question isn't who am I, it's where 630 00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.519 am I? Man, this guy he's just you know. What's 631 00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.039 interesting though, the voice, even though every movie is a 632 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:13.240 different person wearing the mask, right, the cadence is always consistent, 633 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.000 which is one of those things that I think is, well, 634 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.119 it's the same guy. 635 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.880 It's Roger L. Jackson doing the voice in every movie. 636 00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.759 But I just mean, in the reality of the movie, 637 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.400 it's different people speaking through that voice box, but they're 638 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.359 all doing the same you know. 639 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.440 And well, and I think that's sort of the genius 640 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.839 of how like ghost Face is just an entity exactly. 641 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.079 Yes, I wouldn't change it. I mean, that's what I 642 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.319 show up for. I want to hear that voice. I 643 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.279 wonder what that guy can command now, because they're gonna 644 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:45.799 do without him. 645 00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:50.400 That's a good point. Well, he's a voiceover artist's he 646 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.400 also plays Mojo Jojo and Butch on The Powerpuff Girls. 647 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:58.319 Oh so he's done. Okay, he's been in every Scream. 648 00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:00.799 I haven't seen the new one, but I suspect he's 649 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.599 he's in that one too, right, right, I I should 650 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:06.759 say as we record this, uh, you have seen Scream seven? 651 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.880 I have not? Right, So this is this is a 652 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.279 flip from how it usually ends up being. 653 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:13.359 Yeah, it's true, isn't it. 654 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:22.599 Yeah, don't don't step outside, right, Like that's when you 655 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.599 get the call that's like, hey I'm outside. I'd be like, 656 00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:26.680 I don't. I don't freaking care, you know what. 657 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:28.559 I forgot to bring this up. But something I really 658 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.119 loved is I was rewatching the opening with Drew Barrymore. 659 00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:36.160 Is she does step outside like she could just run away, 660 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.039 and I was thinking, oh, wait, how are they gonna 661 00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:39.400 get her? She has to stay at the house. How 662 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:41.200 do they get her to stay at the house? But 663 00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:44.960 it's she she's losing reception on her phone, you know 664 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.319 what I mean. I was like, oh, yeah, those things 665 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.799 had a base that you could walk away. 666 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:49.440 Remember that. 667 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:53.400 Yeah, those cordless phones. So that's pretty good, pretty of 668 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.640 its time, but perfect. 669 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:58.319 So as you watch, do you try to game out 670 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:00.079 who's who's stew and who's. 671 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:01.559 I was this time? Yeah? 672 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.200 Yeah, so this one is STU. I'm pretty pretty sure, right, because. 673 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.119 You know, I'm sure it was mostly mostly a stunt 674 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:12.639 man because I think I read that Skeet Alric asked 675 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.079 to be in the costume for at least one scene, 676 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:16.800 But it would be kind of cool if they did 677 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.119 have who is supposed to be under there under Yeah, 678 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:22.679 that's a good point, you know, just so you could 679 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.960 maybe see a different physicality or maybe maybe to your point, 680 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.039 it's it's better if he's just a presence you. 681 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.760 Kind of you can kind of game out a little bit. 682 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.960 My sense based on who the times that we know 683 00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:37.079 it's Stu versus Billy. Stu is a little more wild 684 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:41.960 and nutty, and Billy is a little more like ceremonial. 685 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:46.480 Hmm. Interesting. Maybe that's something Wes Craven told, Yeah, the stunt. 686 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.079 Yeah, that's and and you know, I'm I'm ready to 687 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.440 be proven wrong, but that's just sort of at some 688 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.559 point I stopped trying to follow who's who, but. 689 00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:58.760 Right, right, right, Like if you want to do the math, 690 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.039 I'm sure you could figure it out out, but it's 691 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:01.840 more fun just to. 692 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:04.679 Like, like, obviously the guy at the door was not 693 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:10.559 Billy because he's right here right. I do love though that, 694 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:14.639 Like you talk about how the movie is mostly timeless, 695 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.039 but yet this right here, that's how dated this movie 696 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:20.920 is She's like, you have a cell phone, right, right, 697 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.760 you must be the murderer. Like that's the that's the 698 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.760 obvious connection, right. I think one of the cops is 699 00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.519 even like, what are you doing with a cell phone? 700 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.320 You have one of these cellular phones, youngster. 701 00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.519 Yeah, this is the era where people had pagers. 702 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.039 People had pagers, that's right. 703 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:38.679 Yeah. 704 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.400 Although even I was late getting on that train because 705 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.280 I didn't get my first page until probably ninety eight. 706 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.760 I want to say, you know I never got one. 707 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.719 Really, yeah, well, how did you orchestrate any drug deals 708 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.199 without a pager? I know, my god. 709 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:56.800 That was that was the thing for people who weren't there. 710 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.679 In high school in the nineties, that was what teachers assumed. 711 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.119 If you had a pager on your belt. 712 00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:04.599 Must have been a must have been uh uh snorting 713 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:05.760 those sugar burgers. 714 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.599 Well yeah, you couldn't. Just what what, what reason would 715 00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:11.800 you have a pager for unless you were a drug dealer. 716 00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.679 I I recently tried to explain pagers to my students. 717 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:16.119 M M. 718 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.400 I was like, yeah, like, I don't even know how 719 00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.159 it came up, but they were they were utterly gobsmacked 720 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:24.159 by the notion that you would be driving and the 721 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.480 thing would beep and then you would see who who. 722 00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:29.360 You would see a number, and then you would have 723 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.800 to pull over. You would have to find a pay 724 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:38.079 phone and dial this number. And I as I said that, 725 00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:40.320 as I recited that, I was like, yeah, that's pretty 726 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:40.800 messed up. 727 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.280 Yeah, I mean it's it's I remember even at the time, 728 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.519 because you could send nine to one to one yep, 729 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.639 it like you had these little codes. And I remember 730 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.440 even at the time, I'm like, this just feels like 731 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.599 I'd rather just be able to send a message. I 732 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:55.480 wish I could say pick me up, or I wish I. 733 00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.039 Wish I could send a like a text message of 734 00:36:58.119 --> 00:36:58.559 some kind. 735 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:03.920 Yeah, yeah, consisting of text. Yeah, that I would message. 736 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.320 Love the lens flares in this movie, by the way, 737 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:08.599 with the anamorphic lie. 738 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.800 There's something so filmy about this exactly, And. 739 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.199 That's what yeah, going back to, Yeah, that opening scene 740 00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:16.920 and how much I love it and the choices and 741 00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.000 the lenses and everything. Yeah, filmy, this movie is very 742 00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.719 filmy and I love it. Yeah, great uses of lens flares, 743 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.480 but nothing over the top. I think people started going 744 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.159 over the top with them, yeah, you know, and they 745 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:35.199 stopped losing their magic or whimsy or whatever it is. 746 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.199 But here it just adds just like a heightened reality 747 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:47.199 or tension or spookiness or something. It's great. Yeah, you know, 748 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.239 I was reading about casting choices for this, which I 749 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.320 thought were kind of interesting. Some I saw in multiple places, 750 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.239 like they wanted Vince Vaughan to play Billy, which is interesting. 751 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.719 He Wow, I don't know that I've ever seen him 752 00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:02.599 look young to me. 753 00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:08.119 That's right, Like, yeah, because because the following year he 754 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:10.440 was in the Lost World, which is the first time 755 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.039 I saw him, And you can't tell me he's a 756 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.000 teenager in the Lost World, you know what I mean? 757 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:18.400 So Swingers this year ninety six. 758 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.519 Swingers would have been either this year or the year before. 759 00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.000 Yeah, because that he still feels like a I don't 760 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:24.880 know young man to me. 761 00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.639 Yeah, little, I can't see him playing teenager. I mean, 762 00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:29.800 I mean, Skeet Aldrich is pushing it, you know. 763 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.079 Yeah, but he feels he's still got moody teen face 764 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:37.119 to me, or moody movie teen face or something. 765 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:37.480 I don't know. 766 00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.440 Yeah, But anyway, one that I and I saw a 767 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.039 lot about Breckin Meyer and Jason Lee and Seth Green 768 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:44.000 Up for Randy. 769 00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:46.480 I can totally see that. 770 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:48.440 Reese Witherspoon for Sydney. 771 00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:50.880 Jason Lee, I can one hundred percent see him as Randy. 772 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.199 I mean, he basically plays that character in the Jane 773 00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:55.840 Sound the Bob movies, right, Yeah, that's right. He's always 774 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.000 giving exposition and talking about comic books and getting really 775 00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:02.239 worked up. But the one that was interesting I saw 776 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.440 was Elizabeth Berkeley for Gale Weathers. 777 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:06.760 I can see that. 778 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.559 I thought so too. But this is a year after Showgirls, 779 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:13.159 which basically tanked her career for a while. 780 00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:14.400 Yeah yeah, but. 781 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.239 I mean ultimately I like the brassiness of Courtney Cox. 782 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.599 I think Courtney Cox like is Gail at this point. 783 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:26.320 So yeah, yeah, But but in you know, in in uteroal, 784 00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.280 you know, as they're planning this out, I I can 785 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.559 I can see was Berkeley. 786 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.039 I totally see that version, definitely. 787 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.639 Who are some of the others for Sydney that you said. 788 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.679 I only saw. I'm sure there are several others. But 789 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:44.480 Reese Witherspoonspoon okay, which makes sense at this time, right, 790 00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.760 she had been in I don't know if she'd done 791 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.599 Fear by now, but she fear was after this man 792 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:52.400 in the Moon and you know what I mean, like 793 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:53.880 she was like up and coming in this moment. 794 00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:54.239 Yeah. 795 00:39:56.360 --> 00:40:01.239 Man, the moon is always my cinematrix for the Wind 796 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:02.239 with Reese Witherspoon. 797 00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:06.320 Actually fear it was the same year, so I stand corrected, Okay, 798 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:10.039 it was. It was actually earlier than this. It was 799 00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:11.840 April of ninety six, Okay. 800 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:18.000 Yeah, so this came out around Christmas time, that's right, right. 801 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.239 And when it came out, it only made about six million, 802 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.280 and everybody thought it had flopped, but it had great 803 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.960 word of mouth and just kept going, just kept going 804 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.079 and going. I mean, I think about that in this 805 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.800 day and age, a movie opening with six million and 806 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.360 finishing around one hundred million. 807 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.480 Yeah, and I think at the time it was like 808 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:41.519 the most profitable slasher flick ever made, right, you know. 809 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:44.079 And I can definitely speak to the word of mouth 810 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.199 aspect of it, because I mean contrary, I was just 811 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:49.000 saying about kids talking about movies. In high school, everybody 812 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.280 was talking about screen you know. 813 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.280 I mean I think kids talked about the movies that 814 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.159 they watched. Yeah, Like I remember talking about Titanic at 815 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.679 school because that was just like a phenomenon and everything. 816 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.000 But it's it wasn't like peppered into. 817 00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:07.119 Like the way it is in this. That's not that that. 818 00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:09.559 That was not my experience of how people talked same 819 00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:10.320 you know. 820 00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:13.639 But yeah, I mean to your point, those people we 821 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.960 eventually find each other. That's how we found one another. 822 00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.320 That's the thing. It's funny because you're talking about, oh, 823 00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.280 talking about Titanic in high school, and I was like, 824 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:22.440 I don't remember that, and then I realized because I'm 825 00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.039 a year ahead of you. So like by the time 826 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.679 I was in college when Titanic came out. Oh really, 827 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.280 so I had a different experience. Yeah. That was Christmas 828 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.800 of ninety seven, right, yeah, yeah, because I graduated ninety seven, 829 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:37.559 so this movie was right smack in the middle of 830 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.480 my senior year. I remember that so distinctly. 831 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:44.119 Wow. Okay, so you did see this in theaters? 832 00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:50.119 No, No, I didn't. I watched this on video. Must 833 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.280 have been after I graduated high school. Yeah, yeah, it was. 834 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.679 It was Gee, you know what, I probably saw it 835 00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.519 a couple of years out because because I I remember 836 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.599 watching this and Scream two together on video. 837 00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:04.920 Mm. 838 00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.760 Yeah, so it would have to have been like ninety nine, 839 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:11.079 ninety eight, ninety nine, something like that. Okay, yeah, because 840 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:12.599 because Scream two is ninety. 841 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.159 Seven right, yes, yeah, less than a year later. 842 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.000 It was like right away, yeah, so it was it 843 00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:20.760 was I saw both of them on video at the 844 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.239 same time because I rented them together. 845 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:28.079 Okay, yeah, yeah, I that's another thing too, by the way, 846 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:33.719 So that Rose McGowan playing Sidney's friend Tatum, is Dewey's sister, 847 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.079 that's right, you know, and since we lose her in 848 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:39.519 this movie, you know, you go on to all the 849 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.119 other movies, all the other sequels, and it's like, Dewey 850 00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:44.800 and Sydney are so close, but you can almost forget that. 851 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:48.159 It's like, oh yeah, it's like her friend's deceased friend's brother, 852 00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:49.840 that's their relationship. 853 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.320 Well, it's also just that this experience binds the three 854 00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:58.039 of them together, the four survivors in this movie. And 855 00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:02.039 then and then Randy punches out in the next one. 856 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:05.159 Yes, yes, which I mean, I'm sure we'll get to 857 00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.079 that one eventually. But then you get that incredible moment 858 00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:09.519 in three where it's like, wow, can we bring him 859 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.039 back for a third one? If he's dead? It's like, well, 860 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.800 he recorded a video anticipating that not only would the 861 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.079 problems and two be solved eventually, but there would be 862 00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:19.400 a third problem because he had to record that in 863 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.760 the middle of the second problem. It's so funny, but 864 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.840 it's brilliant and it's something I feel like I reference 865 00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.119 a lot. Like if you're watching this, I'm already dead. 866 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.519 You know it's it's a brilliant solve. It sticks in 867 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:31.960 your mind. 868 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:38.880 You know. We should mention how how David Arquette and 869 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:42.199 Courtney Cox started dating because of this movie? 870 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:43.119 Yeah? 871 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.639 Right, this is where they do you remember there was 872 00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:48.880 an episode of Friends where all of the actors added 873 00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:49.960 our Quette to their name. 874 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.559 Oh, I do remember that now that you just. 875 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.239 Pick credits because for a while or she was Courtney 876 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:56.559 Cox ar ute. People forget. 877 00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.360 Yeah, I guess they met on this dated during two, 878 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.920 and then they married a month before they shot three. 879 00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.840 There you go, and she's credited as Courtney coxar Cutt 880 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:06.440 on three. 881 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.239 Now this right here, first time I saw Leev Schreiber 882 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.760 was right there. That's not right there, same And it's 883 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.519 it's interesting because I was trying to because that's basically 884 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.360 all we see of Cotton in this movie. 885 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.519 Which I had forgotten. I thought he was going to 886 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:22.239 be a bigger. 887 00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.840 Part, right, And I was trying to place it. I 888 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.159 was like, like, now you'd be like, wait a minute, 889 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:29.440 you're just gonna have liv Schreiber, like just drop him 890 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.119 in like that. But he he wasn't anybody back then. 891 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.599 Yeah, right, right right? And yeah, I mean how could 892 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.679 he know also that he'd be brought back for two 893 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.760 more sequels and play bigger and bigger parts. He's a 894 00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.199 big part of the finale of two. 895 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.639 I know, but I didn't like what they did with 896 00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:44.519 him in the third. 897 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:49.719 One, right, Yeah, you mean like what they did to 898 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.199 his character. Yeah, I like what they did. I mean 899 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:54.719 not physically, but like just his personality or. 900 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.079 Well that too, but just killing him. 901 00:44:57.199 --> 00:44:59.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 902 00:44:59.440 --> 00:44:59.880 Yeah, yeah. 903 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:06.159 But yeah, I weirdly saw three first. 904 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.920 That's the first scream you saw, yes. 905 00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.199 Because I didn't like horror movies, so I'd never watched 906 00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:13.280 one and two, And then I remember Three came out 907 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.119 and my friends and I were just like curious. It 908 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.280 was like the new movie and whatever. And I think 909 00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.159 someone rented it and we watched it in their basement, 910 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:23.039 and I think for me, I was like, oh, this 911 00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:27.960 isn't so much like gory, you know, in Delighting and 912 00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.400 kids being killed kind of a thing that I thought 913 00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:31.280 it was going to be. I was like, Oh, this 914 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.639 is like a mystery and it's actually kind of fun. 915 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:36.480 And so then I went and rented one and two 916 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.440 and then discovered that I really. 917 00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.239 Like how interesting. So so watching three first, you were 918 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.679 not just like out to see. 919 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.960 You know, three is a weird one. I mean, I 920 00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:49.760 was with Cotton. That's what made me think about it 921 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:53.440 when you brought him up, because he does have somewhat 922 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.840 of a major role in the opening of that movie exactly, 923 00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.920 and I had no idea the history, you know, who 924 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:04.199 he means to everybody else and right, so, yeah, but 925 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.400 that was a weird one because again, I mean, we 926 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.679 should save this for three. But Nev Campbell was so 927 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.760 busy in that moment she could only shoot for like 928 00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:16.960 twenty days of that movie, and so they basically featured 929 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.360 all the other characters and Sydney kind of weaves in 930 00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:22.039 and out of that movie. Right, so I think it, Yeah, 931 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.599 it didn't feel as like I needed to know Sidney's 932 00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:27.559 history or you know, all that. 933 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.800 That's fascinating, and yet it did the trick of making 934 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:31.199 you want to go back and watch the other two 935 00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:32.920 So that's something because I enjoyed the. 936 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.639 Tone so much. Yeah. Yeah, although now after watching all 937 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.719 of them in a row, like I just did, that 938 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:40.639 one is I would say, very different than the first one. 939 00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:42.920 It's a lot yeah, you know earlier. 940 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:47.119 Yeah, it's I I you know, one thing I've realized 941 00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:51.280 about the Scream movies is that I think the first 942 00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.800 one is like legitimately great. The other ones are variable quality, 943 00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:58.400 but I don't dislike any of them same. That's kind 944 00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:00.400 of where I'm at, Like, even the worst the one, 945 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:06.480 I can I find stuff to enjoy, you know. And 946 00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:08.119 I don't even know. I don't even know what I 947 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:09.800 would consider the worst one. But I'm just saying like, 948 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.079 regardless of the quality, I'm like, I like them all, 949 00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:19.199 you know. But you know, I also think and I 950 00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.480 was talking about how Scream seven is coming out. I 951 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.880 was talking to my kids, my students, and I was like, hey, Scream, 952 00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:27.960 you guys gonna watch it? Nobody like this is like, no, 953 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.679 this is this is an old man's franchise. 954 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:33.840 I was wondering because it had been kind of reinvented 955 00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:38.559 for five and six with younger like Jenna Ortega, you know, whoever. 956 00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.280 But like that's interesting, Okay. 957 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.639 I just I feel like movie going in general has 958 00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:47.159 become so siloed that I don't even know what movie 959 00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.920 going looks like in twenty years. Honestly, you know, you know, 960 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:52.920 movie viewing. I should say, I don't know what it 961 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:53.320 looks like. 962 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:57.559 That's true, and that makes me now kind of understand 963 00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.239 and appreciate why they wouldn't call that Scream five. Why 964 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.519 would your students go see Scream five even if it 965 00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:06.880 has actors? They know if it's just called Scream, and like, okay, 966 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:11.760 maybe they're you know, five percent more likely to watch it. Interesting. 967 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:16.199 It's funny in Scream two. Eventually there's a movie within 968 00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.599 this movie universe called Stab that's about the Woodsborough murders 969 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:24.440 from Scream one, and they recreate this scene in Scream 970 00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:32.079 two with Tory Spelling and Luke Wilson, which is really funny. 971 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:35.079 But you know, no, good, no, no, you go ahead, 972 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.880 I'll come Mack. I was gonna say, Kevin Williamson. It's 973 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:41.480 just one of those things where I think he just 974 00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.679 his mind was lit on fire with this concept where 975 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.400 he didn't apparently he wrote this script in a matter 976 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.199 of days. It just you know, flowed out of him. 977 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.440 But then he also came up with five page treatments 978 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.880 for Scream two and Scream three. That's right, you know, 979 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.760 he came prepared, and I think the thinking was not 980 00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:59.840 only did he have the stories, but when he went 981 00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.880 in to the pitch meetings, he wanted to be like, hey, 982 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:05.000 you're buying a franchise here, right, You're not just buying 983 00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:06.519 a smart movie. It's very smart. 984 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:11.079 Yeah, but that that explained, Like, his involvement in the 985 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:15.360 third one is fairly minimal. They just took his outline 986 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.239 and I think, as Aaron Krueger, who wrote the script for. 987 00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.840 It, yeah, he reminds me of Shane Black in a 988 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.719 way where he just exploded and everybody knew his name 989 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.840 right away, and he wrote something that's like, oh that 990 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.960 is so Kevin Williamson. And then with every sequel he 991 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:32.760 like had less and less involvement. 992 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:40.159 Yeah. So Shane Black and Leath the Weapon, yep. Yeah, no. So, 993 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.199 so I was going to mention about Nev Campbell, you know, 994 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.840 like again, it had been a while since I've seen 995 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.800 this one, and you know we're used to now in 996 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:53.119 the latter film, Sydney is much more stoic, and you know, 997 00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:55.679 she she knows the rules of the game, so to speak, 998 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.880 and you forget how the vulnerability that she gives to 999 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.880 Sydney in this one. Yeah, right right, and she's terrific 1000 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.480 in this I really like, I was really appreciating her performance. 1001 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:09.960 Yeah, Yeah, she has a very she does like anguished 1002 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:14.039 or tortured. Well, you know, like you really sympathize with 1003 00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.079 her when she makes those faces you know about how 1004 00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:16.800 tortured she is. 1005 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:20.239 That's right about not wanting to sleep with Billy. 1006 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:21.199 Yeah. 1007 00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:26.000 Yeah, So Henry Winkler, I was about to say, one 1008 00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.920 day you are your Arthur Fonzarelli, the next day your 1009 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.800 Arthur Hernbi or whatever his name is. 1010 00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:35.760 Yeah, he's a really interesting character, isn't he. Like, I 1011 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.000 actually don't entirely know what to make of him. I 1012 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:40.480 think we might have talked over the scene earlier where 1013 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.920 kids are being interrogated, and then I think Sydney goes in, Yeah, 1014 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:46.639 and he like touches her face in this really weird 1015 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:53.800 way that feels a little inappropriate. Inappropriate. Yeah, And they 1016 00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:56.519 even do a reaction shot of someone I can't remember 1017 00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.719 if it's Duey or one of the officers, And I 1018 00:50:58.760 --> 00:50:59.760 was like, oh, what's that about. 1019 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:03.039 Well, first of all, I was like, there is no 1020 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.800 way a principle could get away with talking to students 1021 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:07.760 the way he does in the scene that. 1022 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.559 We just saw, like holding scissors to their next Yeah. 1023 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:12.679 Are you kidding me? There would be like eight different lawsuits, 1024 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.760 So you wonder if there's like maybe one scene missing 1025 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.360 just to just to sort of make his death and 1026 00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.480 not entirely a bad thing, you know. 1027 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:24.639 Oh, you know that's interesting. You know what I had 1028 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.960 read is I was thinking on this feeling by the 1029 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.679 way I read. I don't know, I can't beg this up, 1030 00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:34.000 but I read that this cheerleader was Skeet Ulrich's girlfriend Andrew. 1031 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.559 Okay, I was like, she's a bad actress. 1032 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.800 I hope she's not listening, but she did stand out 1033 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:41.480 to me a little bit. 1034 00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.639 Yeah. Now, granted, this reminds me of all the times 1035 00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:48.119 I was being a caddy bitch about people while putting 1036 00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:52.559 my makeup on. So a lot of a lot of 1037 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:53.800 lived experience there. 1038 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:56.679 But this is that very nineties meta thing too. It's like, 1039 00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:03.159 where'd you hear that Ricky Lake? Yeah, sorry, you're saying, no, 1040 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:07.599 that's it. Yeah, but doesn't that like hurt your heart. 1041 00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:10.960 Oh absolutely, Like, yeah, Nev Campbell's so good here. You 1042 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.519 just yeah, you're so on her side, and it's so 1043 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.920 awful having her listen to those people be so catty 1044 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:21.760 about her. I love the boot thing too, right where 1045 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.159 we get a lot of shots of ghost face boots 1046 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:26.880 and then later we get a little misdirect where the 1047 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.639 one of the police officers is wearing similar boots. 1048 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.760 Right when he squishes the cigarette. 1049 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:34.760 Yeah, it's good stuff. 1050 00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.760 What's interesting, though, is that in the opening, in the 1051 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.119 scene near the opening when all of the kids are 1052 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:42.920 quote unquote kids are sitting on the outside, you know, 1053 00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.599 when we see all of them, you just. 1054 00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:49.960 Can't even like, yeah, quote unquote kids. 1055 00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:53.519 Yeah, but Billy and Stu are wearing those boots. 1056 00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:56.880 Oh interesting, you know, it's funny. Not just say it. 1057 00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:02.079 I did think. Uh, Billy is seated awkwardly like with 1058 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:04.400 his feed up on the thing, and it's probably you're 1059 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.480 right on purpose to for people who are paying attention 1060 00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:08.920 to notice his boots. 1061 00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:12.039 What I love is that the movie makes it so 1062 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:14.599 obvious that Billy is the bad guy that you're like, 1063 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:16.960 there's no way he's the bad guy because it's so obvious. 1064 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:20.639 Yes, yeah, Yeah, it's funny because they kind of do 1065 00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.840 that in two with Jerry O'Connell and he acts very 1066 00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:25.719 weird and there's a lot of like lingering shots on 1067 00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.880 him with ominous music, just trying to, you know, make 1068 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:29.840 you feel a certain way. 1069 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:30.599 That's right. 1070 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.440 We should talk about the mask, right, like this is 1071 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.760 a mask that already existed. 1072 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:45.199 Yeah, they tried to design one that was kind of 1073 00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.000 like it, but just different enough not to like, you know, 1074 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:52.960 infringe on a copyright, and they did, and it's in 1075 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.920 some shots in this, but ultimately they were like, you know, 1076 00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:57.800 let's just work out an agreement and use the one 1077 00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:58.800 that's already out there. 1078 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:04.079 Yeah. It was designed by Brigitte Linden in nineteen ninety 1079 00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.880 two for fun World, a costume company. 1080 00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:08.639 Yeah. 1081 00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:11.400 And yeah, and I guess she said it's called It 1082 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:15.039 was called the Peanut Eyed Ghost, that's right. And I 1083 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.119 was inspired by the uh that painting the scream. 1084 00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.320 Yeah. And you know what I would say, thanks to 1085 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.639 these films that that costume has has sold and sold 1086 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.400 and sold for thirty plus years. 1087 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:33.559 Incredible. I mean it's like I don't even want to 1088 00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:36.480 think about whether or not she had any claim to 1089 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.760 that design. Moving forward or that's just something. You know, 1090 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:41.679 you work for the company and then everything's owned by 1091 00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.239 the company, and I know. 1092 00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:46.199 Well, you know, hopefully you're able to take pride in 1093 00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.320 your design living on Yeah. 1094 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:49.960 Well, you know, I had read somewhere about the woman 1095 00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:52.159 who designed the Nike swoosh. I don't have her name 1096 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:53.880 in front of me, but she did it, you know, 1097 00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:58.280 for peanuts at the time, because they weren't a huge juggernaut, 1098 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:04.199 and they did did many years later compensate her, which 1099 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:05.400 I thought was pretty classy. 1100 00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:10.199 Oh that's good. Yeah, yeah, uh one one one memory 1101 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:14.159 I have that costume is that Sean Coyle and Paul 1102 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.679 Shiri they were they were living together and they were roommates, 1103 00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.440 i should say, and they had a Halloween party and 1104 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.880 and and so. Uh, I didn't have a costume, so 1105 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:29.159 I went to Toys r US and like just grabbed 1106 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.800 whatever I could and it was the ghost Face costume, 1107 00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:37.880 and and I won least original costume. It's pretty pretty 1108 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:41.480 proud of that, you know. 1109 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:45.159 What's funny? Sure? Fine, However, if I was at a 1110 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.800 costume party and I saw someone dressed up like ghost Face, 1111 00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:49.440 that's the person I'd want a picture with. 1112 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:51.880 Thank you. Ryan In. 1113 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:57.400 I'm just saying, you know, there's just a weird personal 1114 00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.480 anecdote that has nothing to do with this movie. But 1115 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.800 I was. I got to go to the Magic Castle, 1116 00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.239 which is kind of a cool spot out here in Hollywood. 1117 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:10.119 There's like all these different rooms and magicians doing you know, 1118 00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:12.199 little shows in each room. You can wander from room 1119 00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:13.840 to room and watch all sorts of cool stuff. And 1120 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:15.920 I got to go there on Halloween and it was 1121 00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.800 they had a costume contest going on, and my friends 1122 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.760 dressed up like Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya Harding. Oh okay, 1123 00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.239 this was before I Tanya, So this was like before 1124 00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:28.440 people were kind of recalling that thing. 1125 00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:30.360 They beat the rush. 1126 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:31.400 They were right ahead of it. 1127 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:33.400 And see, look at look at how the costume looks 1128 00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:33.760 different there. 1129 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:36.800 Well, I can see it. I can see it. It's 1130 00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:37.320 not the same. 1131 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:37.920 Yeah. 1132 00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:39.840 I love that they recognize that because it's close, but 1133 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:40.559 it's not the same. 1134 00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.199 It's just they were like, you know what, the other 1135 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:42.880 one looks better. 1136 00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.760 Yeah, they're right, it's worth it. It was worth paying. It's 1137 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:50.159 pretty amazing that as similar as it is, they saw 1138 00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.119 that it wasn't good enough. But anyway, my friends they 1139 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.599 won the costume contest out of the whole Magic Castle 1140 00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:55.960 that night. 1141 00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:57.079 Wow. 1142 00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.519 So yeah, we got free passes to go to Houdini 1143 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:03.880 Seance Get out of here wow. Yeah, which is basically, 1144 00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:05.920 you know, they feed you dinner and then someone flips 1145 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:07.599 the switch and the table shakes for a little bit. 1146 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:10.400 Hey. You know sometimes that's fun. 1147 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:13.480 Yeah. But so, okay, I was gonna bring this up earlier. Yeah, 1148 00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.719 so the Henry Winkler thing, that was what you were 1149 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:20.679 talking about, maybe seating that there's something possibly sinister about him. 1150 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:25.400 I was wondering why they killed him. Oh, we got 1151 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.440 to bring that up, right, hey, Fred. 1152 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:32.480 Yeah, so there there's Wes Craven as Fred the Janitor. Yeah, 1153 00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:35.199 in the rest of as Freddy Krueger. 1154 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:38.519 Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of Nightmare and Elm Street 1155 00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:39.400 call outs in this movie. 1156 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:41.920 Oh a ton, Well, Sydney lives on Elm Street, which 1157 00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:43.440 I don't think is explicitly stated. 1158 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:44.719 I don't even think I called that. 1159 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:49.000 Yeah. Yeah, when she's typing in her address, when she's 1160 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.079 trying to down nine one one, they cut it for pacing, 1161 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.360 but it's it's Elm Street. 1162 00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:56.239 Oh okay, And then they talk about I think Tatum 1163 00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.320 says something about only the first one was good. 1164 00:57:59.280 --> 00:58:02.519 Yeah, that's right, and she says, Wes Carper, you think 1165 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:04.559 it's some kind of West Carpenter movie. 1166 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.679 Right right, which is funny because I can imagine, you know, 1167 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:10.719 as Wes Craven, you have to decide whether or not 1168 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.599 to go there. But I think it's worth it's fun. 1169 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:14.840 I don't think it's for us. 1170 00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:19.480 But anyway, reading about his murder, well, first of all, 1171 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.039 I remember back in the day, it was hard watching 1172 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.639 the Fawns get stabbed to death, right, I mean when 1173 00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:26.400 I watched this in the nineties, to me, he was 1174 00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:28.360 he hadn't been in arrested development yet. 1175 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:29.880 Yeah, that's right. 1176 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:31.679 Other things are Berry or all these things. I love 1177 00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.440 him from now, so he was still for me kind 1178 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.760 of the Fawns. So it was strange seeing him in 1179 00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:39.239 a movie like this. But anyway, I was like, why 1180 00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:44.400 did why would they kill him? And it turns out 1181 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.519 he wasn't originally killed in the script. 1182 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:49.400 Yeah, I think it was like too much time had 1183 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.920 gone by without a killing, yes, exactly, and so they're 1184 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:54.679 like they're like, Fawns, he gotta. 1185 00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:00.360 Go kill the principal. But it it does then motivate everyone, 1186 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:03.199 leaving Stu's house at the party, it clears everybody out 1187 00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.280 because the principal's dead and he's hanging from the gold 1188 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.480 post or whatever it is. And then all right, twisted 1189 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:10.320 kids are like, well I gotta see that, and so 1190 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:11.400 they run out. 1191 00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:11.519 Of the us. 1192 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.119 So I guess that's that. And then to your point, 1193 00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:18.360 I wonder if they did make him a little off, Yeah, so. 1194 00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:22.159 We wouldn't, So you don't feel totally bad about it, Yeah, 1195 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:24.000 because I think a lot of folks, you know, I 1196 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.840 think when this movie came out was probably at the 1197 00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:28.760 tail end of when people would have been. 1198 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:36.679 Like, oh Fonsie, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's that. Yeah, have 1199 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:37.760 a cut and weary thing. 1200 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:39.239 You know. 1201 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.559 I also read about Ghost Face. Look that at first 1202 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.760 they wanted the road to be white. That's right, to 1203 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:47.679 make it look like a ghost. 1204 00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:52.440 Yeah, which like imagine that like yeah, you know what 1205 00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.280 I mean, Like even in this shot right here where 1206 00:59:54.280 --> 00:59:55.679 we see like, it just wouldn't be the same. It 1207 00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:58.320 wouldn't work. It would be like you know the ghosts 1208 00:59:58.320 --> 00:59:59.960 in Charlie Brown cartoons. 1209 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:02.199 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1210 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:08.960 By the way that that was that was the nineteen 1211 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.960 thirty one Frankenstein that that was showing them that screen. 1212 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:15.320 I just any anytime the old universal monsters get get 1213 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.000 shown some love, I have to I have to tip 1214 01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:17.360 the hat. 1215 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:19.480 Yeah, yeah, which I need to catch up on. 1216 01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.519 Yeah, that's right, you do need to. I like this 1217 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.280 right here, She's like, what was that wolf with ET's 1218 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:25.920 mom in it? 1219 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:26.840 Like you can ride? 1220 01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:30.639 Not not the mom from E T. E T's mom. 1221 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:34.039 Oh oh, actually I didn't even catch that. 1222 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:34.400 That's true. 1223 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.880 I'm just laughing about her. The way she referenced d Wallace. 1224 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:43.800 That's hilarious ET's mom. 1225 01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:46.559 You think Right now, at this moment, Quentin Tarantino is 1226 01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:49.559 watching Matthew Lillard on screen and just grinding his teeth 1227 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.440 and pissing his pants. You know what. 1228 01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:58.880 As much as I enjoys movies, I hope so yearned it. 1229 01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:00.440 I was. 1230 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.440 I was like watching Lillard in this, I'm like, he's 1231 01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.400 so great being just horrible as stew but it's like 1232 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.880 he has the range, which we know. And then I 1233 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.880 was like just picturing Tarantino just like, yeah, you know, 1234 01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:14.480 I hate I hate Owen Wilson and I hate Paul Dano, 1235 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.400 and you know, Matthew Lillard sucks to him. I'm like, what. 1236 01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:22.719 He's like, what it's like Bart Simpson, you know, with 1237 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:24.480 clown College is like I don't think any of us 1238 01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:28.840 expected him to say that, Like which. 1239 01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:30.920 I would say, good good company to be included in 1240 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:32.400 as far as that list of people. 1241 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:34.320 Yeah, I want to be listening to Paul Dan. 1242 01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:41.280 Yeah, you know this scene is so creepy when you 1243 01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:44.079 know that. It's like especially once Billy shows up, because 1244 01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.320 he's right, right, he's right about everything, and Killer A 1245 01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:49.760 and Killer be on either side of him. It's freaking 1246 01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:50.599 terrifying and. 1247 01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:57.000 They're like crowding him. Yeah, you know, yeah, and I 1248 01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.760 do love this. I mean this is like quintessential for 1249 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.400 this film, right where it's like the guy who understands 1250 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:06.000 how horror movies work, he's referencing horror movies and why 1251 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.920 his rationale for why he thinks he knows who the 1252 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.280 killer is. You know, Like that's the thing, like all 1253 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.079 movies do this now, all movies reference other movies. 1254 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.639 Yeah, but they just didn't used to. That is such 1255 01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.360 a great point, Like I'm just so used to it. 1256 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:23.920 Yeah, like when they went to the movies in the 1257 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.960 movies when we were growing up, they were watching fake movies, 1258 01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:32.000 fake TV shows. But this really was part of the 1259 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:34.000 thing part of the moment where it kicked it off, 1260 01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:35.400 where it's like, no, no, no, they live in the world 1261 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.159 we live in, and they reference the things we know. 1262 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:42.880 Yeah, so is Randy like the screech of their friend groups? 1263 01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.000 You know, I was wondering about that because he. 1264 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:46.719 It's a very odd friend group. Right. 1265 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:48.800 He's a fun character, but even when they were at 1266 01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:50.639 the fountain, I felt like he felt a little odd 1267 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:51.039 man out. 1268 01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:54.360 Why is he there? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's good. 1269 01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:56.199 I like Jimmy Kennedy in this. I think he's the 1270 01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:59.559 right man, a geeky, funny guy. 1271 01:02:59.840 --> 01:03:01.000 He found his lane. 1272 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:06.960 Yeah. You know. Something I always like in movies that 1273 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.599 I feel are like real world scary and intriguing to 1274 01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.440 me are curfews yep, you know, and like when a 1275 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:17.039 town has to shut down, like you know, it's like 1276 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:19.760 kids have curfews sometimes, you know, or like by ten 1277 01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:21.400 pm you have to leave them all or something. But 1278 01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:23.840 like when the whole town it's like no, no, no, all 1279 01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:25.239 the adults, I don't care who you are, like you 1280 01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:26.719 have to be off the streets at this time. I 1281 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.079 always find that like a really scary premise. 1282 01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:36.280 It's, well, you know, when I see because I never 1283 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.480 lived in like a small town like this, you know, 1284 01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:42.800 like suburbs are different. Yeah, yeah, And so this is 1285 01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:46.280 something like exclusive to movies, just the way life is 1286 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.119 so centralized and like everybody knows each other and stuff, 1287 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:50.400 you know. 1288 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:52.920 Right where you have the deputy of the town, Like 1289 01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:54.400 I don't know any of the well I mean in 1290 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:56.119 this city certainly, But even when I was growing up 1291 01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.199 in Wheaton, Illinois, right, I didn't know the names of 1292 01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:00.320 any police officers or anything. Right, But here they all 1293 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.920 know who Dewey is. They probably many of them went 1294 01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:09.920 to high school with him, right, Yeah. But it is 1295 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:12.760 like a great excuse, just plot wise, to get all 1296 01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:14.599 the kids like, all right, well, let's curfew. We'll go 1297 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.320 hang out at one house and watch movies together, right, 1298 01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:24.400 you know. And also, you know, I when I've rewatched 1299 01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.199 this a lot of times, it's been in chunks, you know, 1300 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.400 flipping channels. I hadn't really rewatched this all the way 1301 01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:35.800 through in a while, And so it was nice really 1302 01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:38.880 paying attention and appreciating how much plot there is in this. 1303 01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:40.599 Oh yeah, for sure. 1304 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:45.400 It was Sydney's mom and the trauma that Sidney experienced 1305 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:49.039 from that, and then also fingering the wrong guy for it. 1306 01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:57.559 Like cotton literally and figuratively. Wait what because you know 1307 01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.480 she's just like she does it with the killer and 1308 01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:00.559 that's true. 1309 01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.000 That's true, the wrong two wrong guys. She's wrong about 1310 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.400 two guys in this mood. He yes, yeah, yes, well 1311 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.239 she does stick her finger in his wound exactly. 1312 01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:14.519 Yeah, yeah, the wrong guy. He's bad for you, Sydney. 1313 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.280 He is the wrong guy, right. 1314 01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:20.159 I love it is like ice cream cone business. I 1315 01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:23.519 wonder like the guy they both get like business as 1316 01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:25.480 they're talking here, that guy gets a cigarette, he gets 1317 01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:27.159 an ice cream cone. 1318 01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:29.960 Yeah. The chief, by the way, he's he's also it 1319 01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.679 plays a similar role in the First Nightmare in Eme Street. 1320 01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:38.719 Oh interesting, Yeah, so hey shared cinematic universe. Yeah, and 1321 01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:40.559 like you said, we get that close up on his 1322 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:42.119 boots liket row. 1323 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:49.920 Yeah, yeah, I like that. But yeah, this did then 1324 01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:55.039 kind of kick off almost like a new genre of horror, right, 1325 01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:58.880 like the slasher film was back, but it was Yes, 1326 01:05:59.000 --> 01:05:59.719 that is true. 1327 01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:02.880 But what's funny is that in hindsight, because definitely that 1328 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.119 was the the you know, the narrative at the time, 1329 01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:07.039 But in hindsight, you're like, well it wasn't even gone 1330 01:06:07.119 --> 01:06:08.679 for that long, really. 1331 01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:12.800 You know, don't you find that? Yeah, when you think 1332 01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:16.159 about sometimes you talk about things being gone for a 1333 01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:19.559 while or even just it feels like things changed very 1334 01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:21.280 quickly in the past. Like you even look at like 1335 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.320 styles in different decades. Yeah, and you're like or even 1336 01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:26.519 like the Beatles or something, you know, like their genre 1337 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:28.679 of music, and it's like they weren't even a band 1338 01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.559 or at least they're a phenomenon for over a decade. 1339 01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:33.000 Like things just moved very quickly. 1340 01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:34.440 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1341 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:38.079 Yeah, and now there be longer gaps between this stuff, 1342 01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.199 between sequels. You can get Screamed four like eleven years 1343 01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:42.119 later or something. 1344 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:46.000 Yeah, you know, and you know, sometimes those longer gaps 1345 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:49.880 are good. But certainly when we talk about the slasher 1346 01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:54.320 fad at its peak, I mean, it flamed out I 1347 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:57.000 would say late eighties. When when was Freddy's Dead? Was 1348 01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.599 that like ninety yeah? 1349 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:04.159 Maybe because the New Nightmare was ninety four, Okay. 1350 01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:06.159 So and there was there was a decent gap between 1351 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:09.760 those two. Yeah, right, and you know Freddy is dead, like, 1352 01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:12.760 so let's arbitrary, let's set that. So say ninety So 1353 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:14.639 you're talking about six years, which is I mean, yeah, 1354 01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:16.840 it is a gap, but it's not like a huge gap. 1355 01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:20.840 But your point is well stated, which is like suddenly 1356 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.239 there was this boom between ninety six and two thousand 1357 01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:29.400 where you had all these like teen centric horror flicks. 1358 01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:32.960 Yeah, and just also what I was trying to say, 1359 01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:34.119 I don't know if I said it very well, but 1360 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:37.159 just like shorter gaps felt longer back then for some reason, 1361 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.559 maybe because we weren't endlessly talking about things. 1362 01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:43.719 That is true. Also we had been around, we had 1363 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:45.360 been around less, so well. 1364 01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.360 That's true too. Yeah, it could be unique to our age. 1365 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:48.679 But yeah, so you get like, I Know what you 1366 01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:52.239 did last summer, Urban Legend, the Faculty, Final Destination, all 1367 01:07:52.239 --> 01:07:55.840 these sort of like knowing teenager horror movies. 1368 01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:59.559 Right out after this, and and you know, well, I 1369 01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:01.320 mean I guess they did try to bring back I 1370 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:03.280 know what you did last summer just recently, right, which 1371 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:05.039 that didn't really play. 1372 01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:07.880 No, you know, and I saw it and I didn't 1373 01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:11.840 hate it, fully acknowledging it's not good. Yeah, but it 1374 01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:14.840 just like maybe it's scratched an itch or something where 1375 01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:16.680 I was like, oh, I like this tone, but you know, 1376 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:19.039 I don't think anybody else is really vibing with it 1377 01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:21.960 these days. Even my friends who are like much more 1378 01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:24.199 horror fans than I am, they were like they hated it, 1379 01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:26.079 and I was like, well, I don't know, really. 1380 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:27.640 I don't see. 1381 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.920 I had absolutely zero expectation and it was like a 1382 01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:33.560 thing before my eyes for ninety minutes, and I was like, yeah, 1383 01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:35.319 it reminded me of a thing that I used to like. 1384 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:37.960 But my way is good. 1385 01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:40.760 I mean, there's a swerve in there with the long 1386 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:44.880 running character. Yes well, yes, well it doesn't mean anything 1387 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:46.359 to me because I don't really have an affinity for 1388 01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:50.119 those films. But I was thinking of Zachi, you know, 1389 01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:53.279 a fan of Jim Phelps from the nineteen sixties Mission Impossible, 1390 01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:56.520 totally wondering how fans of those earlier films would react 1391 01:08:56.520 --> 01:08:59.119 to this new one. You know, absolutely right. 1392 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:02.520 By the way, So it's worth noting. You know Courtney 1393 01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.359 Cox here. I love the character of Gail Weathers because 1394 01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:09.439 she has such a complicated She's complicated, like she has 1395 01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:13.600 a weird relationship with Sydney. She was a defender of 1396 01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:17.279 Cotton Weary, which wasn't very popular to the hero of 1397 01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:19.840 our movie. But she was right, right, you know what 1398 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:22.720 I mean, And like they they're antagonistic, but then they 1399 01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:27.520 become allies. It's a really great character. And as you're 1400 01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:32.039 watching that character Gail enter this house party with all 1401 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:33.960 these teenagers, they're looking at her like, oh my gosh, 1402 01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:36.279 it's Gail from TV, but in a funny way. I mean, 1403 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:40.680 that's Courtney Cox from Friends. Like, oh, that's a good point, right, 1404 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.079 Like you can kind of apply that to this a 1405 01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:43.520 little bit. 1406 01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:47.760 I love how they make sure to highlight Tatum's thho 1407 01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:48.479 are they? 1408 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:50.359 You know? It's funny. Actually I was thinking about that 1409 01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:54.119 shot because what I I think it's really interesting because 1410 01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:56.920 what I mean basically, yes, like Rose McGown comes here 1411 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.319 into the garage and her nipples are like completely like 1412 01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.720 poking through her shirt. And it's funny because it's this 1413 01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:07.760 is a movie that's referencing horror movies. So she is, 1414 01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:12.880 to a comical degree, the typical sexy female victim in 1415 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.560 waiting here. And so this movie is like riding a 1416 01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:20.199 thin line between actually having kind of a titulating image 1417 01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:24.039 or no one intended, and also commenting on it. Yeah, 1418 01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:25.439 you know what I mean, Like it's kind of a 1419 01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:26.840 funny brilliant moment. 1420 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:30.680 Well, that's you know, I think Scream is satire but 1421 01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:35.279 not comedy, right, and and you know that's sort of 1422 01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:37.279 to be able to ride that balance is something, you know. 1423 01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:40.399 It's like in my classes, I screen RoboCop as an 1424 01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:42.399 example of satire and I'm like, it's satire, but it's 1425 01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:44.800 not a comedy, right, but it is, you know, and 1426 01:10:44.840 --> 01:10:46.920 it's like trying to understand that distinction. I mean, this 1427 01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:48.079 movie does that very well. 1428 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:54.159 That's that's really well put. Yeah, yeah, great, great lens 1429 01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:57.600 flares in here, because I love lens flares when they 1430 01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:01.760 add like an air of mystery, you know, or magic 1431 01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.520 or something. I think I've always my favorite lens flair's 1432 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.600 ever Isn't Die Hard. When they finally get the safe 1433 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.760 to open, you know, and it's just like this magical 1434 01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:14.119 opening of this thing, you know that they've been trying 1435 01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:16.399 so hard to attain, and so there's just like magic 1436 01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:18.479 in the air as it's happening. And here we've got 1437 01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:22.880 this sort of uneasy thing happening in this really normal 1438 01:11:22.920 --> 01:11:26.239 place a garage, but there's something heightened and creepy about it. 1439 01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:29.079 So you get like a little flourish at the top 1440 01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:32.039 of the screen. You know, I don't know. 1441 01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:38.840 Yeah, No, that's that's a great observation of these canted angles. 1442 01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:43.680 Yep, it's great. And this is, you know, like to 1443 01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.239 your point again where you have the sexy victim in 1444 01:11:46.279 --> 01:11:50.399 the eighties movie, you're like probably rooting for Jason, you 1445 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:52.279 know what I mean, But in this I don't like 1446 01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:55.039 seeing her going through this, Like I'm rooting for her 1447 01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:55.960 to get out of that ground. 1448 01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:00.399 That's right. Yeah, I think that's what it came down to. Aultimately, 1449 01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:07.600 give us, give us characters that we care about. Yeah, 1450 01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:11.760 you know, and Tatum is a kind of a smart ass. Yeah, 1451 01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:13.399 but like not insufferably so. 1452 01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:17.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you would enjoy her in your friend group. 1453 01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:23.399 Yeah exactly. Now this now, originally she was supposed to 1454 01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:27.079 have the garage just crush her and then and then 1455 01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:31.520 they see the pet door. Yeah, and they're like, well, no, 1456 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:34.439 we obviously have to we got to do that. Yeah, 1457 01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:39.840 I mean, oh it's horrible, gripe. Well, I mean yes, 1458 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:43.920 but it just feels I mean it's such a memorable death. Yeah. 1459 01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:47.840 Yeah, like her hanging through that door. You're gonna make 1460 01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:49.279 a movie. Let's make a movie, you know. 1461 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:50.119 Yep. 1462 01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:53.079 But by the way, So seeing her head get crushed there, 1463 01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:54.640 That's why I was confused at the beginning, because I 1464 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:56.920 had read that was something they had to cut out. 1465 01:12:57.079 --> 01:12:58.760 But in this version you see that. 1466 01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:05.720 Yeah, so I don't know. That's interesting. Yeah. By the way, 1467 01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:10.159 worth mentioning, this is only tangentially related in that Paramount 1468 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.279 is the home base of the screen franchise as of now. 1469 01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:16.520 But as we record this, Paramount has won its bid 1470 01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:17.760 to buy Warner Brothers. 1471 01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:19.840 Oh really is that today? 1472 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:22.319 That has just happened moments ago. I just got a 1473 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:24.720 push notification that Netflix has dropped out. 1474 01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:26.199 They dropped out. 1475 01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:31.079 Yeah, so Paramount is gonna be absorbing Warner Brothers. 1476 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:32.079 I'll be damned. 1477 01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:35.159 Yeah. We'll have plenty to say about this on a future. 1478 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.960 Yes, I gotta not get lost in thought on that. 1479 01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:45.960 Wow. Okay, now real quick, I want to mention we 1480 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.560 were talking about Gail Weathers before. As much as I 1481 01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.840 love the character of Gail Weathers, her haircut in some 1482 01:13:50.880 --> 01:13:53.239 of these sequels is scarier than Ghostface. 1483 01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:00.239 Yeah. I mean even she a couple of years ago 1484 01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:05.680 is still referencing it. No, really, yeah, I think for 1485 01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.119 Halloween or something, she did some sort of Instagram posts 1486 01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.239 with like these fake bangs and was like, they're back. 1487 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:11.600 I think was it the third one? 1488 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:16.239 Yeah, the third one? Oh goodness, gracious, yeah. 1489 01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:17.560 That's not a Jane silent Bob and I remember that. 1490 01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.800 Yes, I mean, this isn't exactly it, but I was 1491 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:22.840 thinking as I was watching three, it reminded me of 1492 01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:26.680 the vibes a little bit of Lethal Weapon four, where 1493 01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.680 it's like we're just we're here and we don't care 1494 01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.560 if you realize we're having a good time doing this, 1495 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.000 you know, even though we're making a movie, you know 1496 01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:37.680 what I mean. I mean, not that Lethal Weapon four 1497 01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.359 ever got into like goofy cameos or anything. But you 1498 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:42.880 can just tell those are friends having a good time 1499 01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:45.319 and making a movie. And you get that sense a 1500 01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:49.640 little bit in three. I think Scream three like let's 1501 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:51.199 let's have fun and the fun. 1502 01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:53.359 Shop through a little bit, yeah, which. 1503 01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:55.399 Is kind of unique to that one because the others, 1504 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:57.159 I don't think feel that way. And then yes, and 1505 01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:59.720 then you have Chance on the Pop just randomly popping 1506 01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:00.439 into the the movie. 1507 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:01.319 It's so weird. 1508 01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:04.920 Yeah, and they mistake Gail Weathers for Connie Chung see, 1509 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:05.439 which is. 1510 01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:09.720 Weird because in the Jay and Silent Bob versus Scream 1511 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:16.680 is a franchise like in In In one of those movies, 1512 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:19.359 they stumble on the set of a Scream movie. Oh 1513 01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:23.600 that's right, So what's going on? So do Jay and 1514 01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:25.479 Soundbob exist in two universes? 1515 01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:27.880 They're inter dimensional beings? 1516 01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:32.000 Yeah, they're they're they're they're nexus beings. I kind of 1517 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:32.279 like that. 1518 01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:35.960 Hey, hey, Kevin Smith, there's your movie. If anything happens 1519 01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:41.000 to them, the universes collapse, they're holding together. They're like Loki. 1520 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.079 Skeet ol Rich. I feel like he should have had 1521 01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:51.840 more of a career. 1522 01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:55.560 Yeah, you know, actually I have his thing open because 1523 01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:59.079 his IMDb I should she's about to have his thing open. 1524 01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:01.000 I was just he was like, man, I walked right 1525 01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:07.439 into that because I don't know what I really see. 1526 01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:09.399 Oh you know, I saw it to my surprise. He 1527 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:11.960 it plays a thug in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the 1528 01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:14.159 ninety nineteen ninety movie. 1529 01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:15.880 Oh interesting, Okay. 1530 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:17.359 He's in as good as it gets, which I kind 1531 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:18.520 of remember, now that I say it. 1532 01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:20.239 I don't remember that at all. 1533 01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:22.680 The Newton Boys, Chill Factor, remember that. 1534 01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:25.079 I remember Chill I remember watching Chill Factor in an 1535 01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:25.760 empty theater. 1536 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:26.960 Yeah. 1537 01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:30.359 Yeah, and he he was on a show which is 1538 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:31.720 called Jericho. Do you remember that? 1539 01:16:32.199 --> 01:16:33.439 Yes, I think because of you. 1540 01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:37.840 Actually no, you're thinking of Jeremiah, which is at Perry Show. 1541 01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:39.960 I was gonna say, is Luke Perry on that? Yeah? 1542 01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:42.159 Okay, Yeah, this is this is a repeat of an 1543 01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:44.600 exact conversation I had with I'm gonna like three hours ago. 1544 01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:48.760 I'm like, no, damn it, it's Jericho, not Jeremiah. Get 1545 01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:52.079 your get your Jay starting shows about a post apocalyptic 1546 01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:57.199 society straight, you know, people up, Yeah, damn it. No. 1547 01:16:57.279 --> 01:16:58.800 So it was like it was like a post ap 1548 01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:01.039 like there's a it's a it's like Kansas or something 1549 01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:04.760 after a nuclear attack. Yeah, and he starred and it 1550 01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:06.840 had what's his name, Major Dad. 1551 01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:09.600 Oh Maaney, Gerald McCraney, Jerald McCraney. 1552 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:11.640 Yeah. Yeah, So he was on that show that did okay, 1553 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:14.960 And then he was on Dad. Sorry, yeah, I don't know. 1554 01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:16.359 I didn't go with Simon and Simon. 1555 01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:18.319 No, No, it's good, it's good today. 1556 01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:21.000 It's Major Dad. Anyway. He was also on Law and 1557 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:24.520 Order LA oh I remember that. Yeah, for like half 1558 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.199 a season. Then he killed his ass off, and I 1559 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:27.439 think he just yeah. 1560 01:17:27.640 --> 01:17:30.880 River Dad, he was in sixty four episodes of Riverdale. 1561 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:32.159 Sixty four episodes. Who did he play? 1562 01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:34.560 I have no idea Ethnic Jones. 1563 01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:37.000 Oh so he's like related to Jughead? 1564 01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:39.640 Is he Jughead's dad? 1565 01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:43.239 Wow? So him and Luke Perry both there you go. 1566 01:17:43.319 --> 01:17:46.279 So the streams did cross eventually. 1567 01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:49.279 Yeah, look at this. I just got to point out this, this, 1568 01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:51.520 this wide angle group shot. 1569 01:17:51.560 --> 01:17:55.680 I love that stuff. Yeah, it's it's it's and there's 1570 01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:56.800 so much life in the frame. 1571 01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:04.079 Yes, exactly, that, exactly that, I mean, you know. Wes 1572 01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:07.159 Craven then went on to do like Red Eye, which 1573 01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:12.399 I think is fun, tight, little ninety minute thriller, and 1574 01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:15.800 he's just, yeah, I wish he had made some more thrillers. 1575 01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.079 I wish we'd gotten some more thrillers out of him. 1576 01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:22.880 Red Eye was when was that early Autus five or something? Okay, 1577 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:25.960 that sounds about right? Yeah, yeah, well this is this 1578 01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:26.760 is the scene here. 1579 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:31.199 It's what's very funny is that the rules as it 1580 01:18:31.239 --> 01:18:35.119 pertains to horror movies in general are like pretty much bullshit, right, 1581 01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.760 sure right, but it doesn't matter because they're the rules 1582 01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:40.319 for this world, you know. 1583 01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:42.520 And he's got enough evidence to back it up that 1584 01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:45.079 we're like, okay, even if he's just talking about one 1585 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:49.520 movie maybe like Halloween, yeah something, Yeah, but who to 1586 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:51.760 this day, if someone leaves a room and says I'll be. 1587 01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:53.600 Back, Oh yeah, you have to say it like, oh 1588 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:54.800 be right, b yeah. 1589 01:18:54.680 --> 01:19:02.359 I'll be right back exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just 1590 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:07.960 had to see it see Lillard do it. But yeah, 1591 01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:10.319 but you know, it's kind of cool what I like 1592 01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:11.199 about these movies. 1593 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:12.920 You know what you think about it? Real quick? 1594 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:13.119 Sorry? 1595 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:17.199 Yeah, Stu leaves to get beer, yes, and he comes back. 1596 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:19.520 That should have been our clue right away. 1597 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:25.199 Oh that's good man. This continues to grow in my right, Yeah, 1598 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:26.399 you're right, you're right. 1599 01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:29.399 Like the problem is we watch it now and we 1600 01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:31.600 know we know Stu's the killer, right. It's like so 1601 01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:34.840 like so it's hard to put yourself back in the 1602 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:37.239 state of mind of watching it the first time and 1603 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:39.720 trying to track the like who is it? You know? 1604 01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:41.680 Actually, that's funny you say that, because I had that 1605 01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:44.600 experience watching it this time where they like Dewey will 1606 01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:47.640 act kind of weird in a scene and I'm like, Dewey, 1607 01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:49.880 you know, like, how could you ever make me believe 1608 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:50.720 it's Dewey, but it's. 1609 01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:52.880 Like this right here, when he asks Gale to go 1610 01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:53.600 on a walk with him. 1611 01:19:53.680 --> 01:19:54.840 Yeah, exactly right. 1612 01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:57.439 If you don't know that that he's not the killer, 1613 01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:58.520 then it's odd, you know. 1614 01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:02.119 Yeah, but yeah, in ninety six, you didn't know. 1615 01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:04.720 These people, that's right. He was just a weird guy. 1616 01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:08.920 Yeah. Yeah. And then he becomes the beloved charming guy. 1617 01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:10.600 That's right, the rest of this, and it becomes the 1618 01:20:10.640 --> 01:20:11.079 dead guy. 1619 01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:11.600 M M. 1620 01:20:15.560 --> 01:20:18.479 I've said before that was that was Han Solo esque 1621 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:21.359 in terms of when when they when they off to 1622 01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:24.399 Dewey in this in the fifth one, you. 1623 01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:26.920 Know, I know you gotta do it at some point 1624 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:30.119 if you're gonna have that many sequels. But also I 1625 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:31.359 wish he was in the new one. 1626 01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:32.000 Yep. 1627 01:20:32.159 --> 01:20:34.000 Yeah, Like there's just some people I just want to 1628 01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:39.479 continue seeing. But what I was gonna say is I 1629 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:43.520 like that each movie kind of zeros in about a 1630 01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:46.720 film trend, right, Like this one's kind of like about 1631 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:50.479 the Final Girl, and then the second one is about sequels, 1632 01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:52.960 and the third one, of course is trilogies, and then 1633 01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:55.880 the fourth one is about being online famous, and the 1634 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:58.600 fifth one I think is about like elevated horror, you know, 1635 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.239 like it is. I just like that there's and then 1636 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:02.920 the seventh one. I don't think it's a spoiler to 1637 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.439 say it's about bringing the original star back to a series, 1638 01:21:07.479 --> 01:21:09.560 you know, like commenting on that, and. 1639 01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:11.319 So that's interesting. 1640 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:13.159 I like that. I like that as a conceit for 1641 01:21:13.199 --> 01:21:14.640 each one for them to build off of. 1642 01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:26.520 Yeah. Yeah, so now who calls and says this about 1643 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:27.159 the principal? 1644 01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.840 That is a good question, like who's hanging about the 1645 01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:35.479 school drinking on the football field or something. Well, because 1646 01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:39.960 if that was part of their plan, right to get 1647 01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:43.640 everyone out of there, then is it are they both occupied? Well, 1648 01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:45.279 I guess it'd be Stu, right because Billity's up there 1649 01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:45.760 with Sydney. 1650 01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:48.880 Yeah, but if it's like, it can't be Stu on 1651 01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:50.279 the phone because he'd be like, hey, Stu, why are 1652 01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:50.760 you calling me? 1653 01:21:51.079 --> 01:21:54.239 Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. Oh, Clerk's shout out there 1654 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:57.239 at the VHS on the I do love this whole 1655 01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:59.359 conceit of the camera in there. But there's a thirty 1656 01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:02.000 second delight that that's great, very very clever. 1657 01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:12.159 You know there are they are they scared and running 1658 01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:14.920 away or they're just excited to see the principal strung up. 1659 01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:16.600 I think they just want to poke a body with 1660 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:21.239 a stick. They're just like, yeah, the principal's dead. 1661 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:23.520 I was thinking about it. At one point one of 1662 01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:25.760 them says, Hio Silver, let's go, and I was like, 1663 01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:28.960 what an odd thing? I can I can see that 1664 01:22:29.079 --> 01:22:31.359 reference kind of working in ninety six, but can you 1665 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:33.279 imagine a kid saying that now? 1666 01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:37.880 No? Yeah, yeah, up, up and away. 1667 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:41.000 You know, I don't. 1668 01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.279 They have a real I mean, obviously they got married, 1669 01:22:46.560 --> 01:22:49.119 are yet and Cox, But like they do have a 1670 01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:53.239 real sweet chemistry. Like I believe this hard as nails 1671 01:22:53.319 --> 01:22:57.039 character Gail Weathers. You can imagine she would have a 1672 01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.720 hard time falling for someone as kind of dopey as him, right, 1673 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:02.079 But they make me believe it. 1674 01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:07.319 Yeah you know, Yeah, those cars get. 1675 01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:09.279 Really close to them. I mean, I know there's the 1676 01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:12.680 stunt people in that one shot, but there's that one 1677 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:14.359 where you can actually see it's them and they're they're 1678 01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:14.880 yeah close. 1679 01:23:14.920 --> 01:23:18.279 I'm like, whoo, that's how we used to do it, Brian, 1680 01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:19.039 That's right. 1681 01:23:19.079 --> 01:23:20.720 I mean I bring this up a couple of times, 1682 01:23:20.720 --> 01:23:24.399 but I remember watching the movie Used Cars with Robert Zemeckis, 1683 01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:26.800 and I was listening to the commentary, and there's this 1684 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:28.560 shot where one of the characters I don't remember who 1685 01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:30.880 was like stumbling down a street and the joke is 1686 01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:33.319 this car comes right up to him and turns it 1687 01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:36.319 the last second at high speeds and avoids them. But 1688 01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:38.960 the guy isn't aware at all that had happened. And 1689 01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:41.000 you can hear on the commentary is the meccas is like, 1690 01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:43.319 I can't I can't even look at this. What are 1691 01:23:43.319 --> 01:23:45.920 we thinking? And he's like I can't look I can't 1692 01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:48.920 look at this, and you're like, yeah, back then they're like, yeah, 1693 01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:51.439 I put Kurt Russell on the road. Well, don't worry. 1694 01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:53.640 The stuff is like trust me, trust me. 1695 01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:57.000 It takes your licks for the sake of the shot. 1696 01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:01.960 Yeah. 1697 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:04.560 It's crazy how we're already like in wrap it up 1698 01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:05.359 mode now. 1699 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:08.399 I know, you know, there's like a I always think 1700 01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:10.479 about this when I watch Back to the Future because 1701 01:24:10.520 --> 01:24:14.640 that movie, for being almost two hours long, flies And 1702 01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:17.720 then when there's that moment where Marty it's nighttime and 1703 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:19.760 Marty's wearing the suit and he's talking to Doc and 1704 01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.680 he's setting up the table, I'm every time I'm like, oh, 1705 01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.199 we're here already. Yeah, you know, and that reminds me 1706 01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.000 of this right where it's like the party is starting. 1707 01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:30.520 I'm like, oh, we're here already like this, this is 1708 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:33.000 the ramp up to the end. But it is it's 1709 01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:35.520 forty minutes long. I mean the quote unquote third act 1710 01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:37.880 I guess of this movie is like forty minutes. 1711 01:24:40.600 --> 01:24:45.439 Yeah, it's I think that. I was thinking about the 1712 01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.680 length of the film. I was like, I I think 1713 01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.159 it's a it's it's like exactly as long as it 1714 01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:54.479 needs to be. M hm, you know, just under two hours. 1715 01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:57.800 I think ninety minutes you'd be losing a lot. Yeah, 1716 01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:00.640 I agree, you know, And and I think they pace 1717 01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:04.560 it out really well. And so you know, when you 1718 01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:06.960 think about it in terms of like, oh it's been 1719 01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:10.279 too long without a killing, let's kill let's kill Phonsie, 1720 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.439 you kind of get it. Yeah, Like you know, because 1721 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:17.800 because there's so much exposition that's being ladled out, it's 1722 01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:19.720 like we got to have a little something here. But 1723 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:22.039 the movie itself needs to be as long as it is. 1724 01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:29.640 I agree, there's no nev naive your naive girl, but 1725 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:34.319 I love that the movie. He's being so dark here. Yeah, 1726 01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.560 so you are like I don't know about this guy, 1727 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:40.760 but then they subvert it having ghost face come through 1728 01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:42.239 the door say oh, well, I'll be. 1729 01:25:43.239 --> 01:25:45.359 You know, it reminds me of the performance of one 1730 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:50.560 Brian J. Hall in a movie that he appeared in 1731 01:25:50.720 --> 01:25:54.920 with one Zaki Hassan back in the summer of ninety nine. 1732 01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:58.479 Would that be something freaky? 1733 01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:04.880 The very same something? I can't help but think of 1734 01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:08.399 that film. Well, let me, I'm using air quotes film 1735 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:12.760 as I watch this, because that was written by our 1736 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:16.520 friend Sean and and you know that there was a 1737 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:18.760 spirit of let's put on a show that we had 1738 01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:19.199 back then. 1739 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:20.760 Do I mean that's the thing. 1740 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.560 We had a youthful verve and passion which has been 1741 01:26:23.600 --> 01:26:24.960 drained out of us by life now. 1742 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:28.000 Yeah. Yeah, But I mean for people who don't know, 1743 01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:30.680 I mean Zakie and I met in a film class. 1744 01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:33.960 That's right, Zakie and I and Sean and like we 1745 01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:36.199 we were the kids having that film discussion at the 1746 01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:39.520 beginning of Scream Too, making all the references. 1747 01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:43.199 You know, three Randy's talking at each other, that's exactly. 1748 01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:45.119 And we were so inspired by all this stuff that 1749 01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:47.920 we would just instead of thinking, wouldn't it be fun 1750 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:50.000 if we tried to do something like this. No, we 1751 01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:52.399 like put pen to paper. And then we stayed up 1752 01:26:52.399 --> 01:26:54.520 all night and we got a camera and we shot 1753 01:26:54.560 --> 01:26:58.800 this stuff. And so we did our scream homage at 1754 01:26:58.800 --> 01:26:59.760 our community college. 1755 01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:05.159 We shot this at at College Due Page in Glenn Allen, Illinois. Yep, 1756 01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:06.920 I guess we can say this now. Was at the 1757 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:10.039 old TV station over there, and we were running around. 1758 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:12.119 I mean it was like midnight, one am. We're running 1759 01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:14.439 around with knives and guns and whatnot. 1760 01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:15.920 Yeah, yeah, and blood. 1761 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:18.600 It is bananas. What we did? 1762 01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:20.680 I know, I know. 1763 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.880 And And to the point I was making is my character. 1764 01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:27.079 So it's about characters shooting a movie and there is 1765 01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:30.119 a killer among them m hm. And my character stumbles 1766 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.359 upon them shooting this film and I'm like, hey, you're 1767 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:34.439 making a movie. Can I be involved? And then you, 1768 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.600 Brian are like you want to die? Right because I 1769 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:40.520 was going to play the victim, but ah, misdirect, you 1770 01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:45.479 were actually the killer. I was. It was very It 1771 01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:49.520 was very much by the way I love this great 1772 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:52.920 where he's he's talking, He's saying Jamie, Jamie is. 1773 01:27:52.880 --> 01:27:55.439 Talking to himself right right, talking to Jamie Lee Curtis 1774 01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:56.039 on the screen. 1775 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:57.319 But it's Jamie Kennedy. 1776 01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:00.600 Jamie Kennedy, Jamie turn around. How did you? 1777 01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:02.000 I love that? 1778 01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:03.239 Yeah? 1779 01:28:03.319 --> 01:28:05.079 No, But we have the scene in a little bit 1780 01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:07.760 where where Sid is pointing the gun at Stu and 1781 01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:11.319 Randy and and I was like, oh, this is Sean. 1782 01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:13.920 This is what Sean was like inspired by. 1783 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:17.239 As I was watching one, two and three, I thought 1784 01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:21.359 of that experience multiple times in like the most loving way. 1785 01:28:21.479 --> 01:28:23.479 Oh. Absolutely that was That was a blast. 1786 01:28:23.479 --> 01:28:24.159 It was a blast. 1787 01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:25.239 Yeah, so much fun. 1788 01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:30.359 You know, it's great thinking about this delay again. You 1789 01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:34.159 get this tension twice, you get the tension of being 1790 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:39.319 in the room with uh, you know, Randy. But then 1791 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:40.920 we get a little beat and then we get to 1792 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:42.960 see them relive that moment, not knowing how it turns 1793 01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:45.960 out in the van. Yeah, but then it's a great 1794 01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:49.720 screws it up for the poor camera guy. And I 1795 01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:52.359 know thirty seconds gave the time for the killer to 1796 01:28:52.359 --> 01:28:52.880 go outside. 1797 01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:54.600 Oh man, I forel bet this guy. 1798 01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:56.359 I like this guy. He you know, he doesn't do 1799 01:28:56.399 --> 01:29:01.119 a lot, but he does enough to give him personality. Yes, 1800 01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:08.920 he's kind of a perfect memorable partner to Gail, like 1801 01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:10.920 who puts up with her stuff a little bit, but 1802 01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:18.920 like pushes back occasionally. This is the stuff I wonder 1803 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:22.119 about sometimes in movies like this, where did they actually 1804 01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:25.119 write into the script and then there's like gear in 1805 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:26.720 the back of the vand and so she crawls under 1806 01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:28.399 it and then she's able to or is that stuff 1807 01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:32.000 you kind of find on the day, you know, like, 1808 01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:33.960 oh it said, it's sort of like to your point, 1809 01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:37.399 you're the garage. Yeah, it's like, well we had this, 1810 01:29:37.479 --> 01:29:39.159 but look at that. That's even better. 1811 01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:42.840 I mean, I would assume that there's a fair amount 1812 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:44.720 of that in this because I think I think Wes 1813 01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:46.439 Craven was that kind of a filmmaker. 1814 01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:49.640 Yeah, yeah, well, which, by the way, I've got I've 1815 01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:51.880 gotta for posterity throw this out there. You were talking 1816 01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:54.479 about Elm Street. Of course, Wes Craven. I grew up 1817 01:29:54.520 --> 01:29:57.640 on Elm Street. You did in Wheaton, Illinois, and Wes 1818 01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:02.000 Craven went to Wheaton College. So in my town, a 1819 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.520 lot of people believe that that was the Elm Street 1820 01:30:04.520 --> 01:30:10.000 that inspired him, and I don't know, because I later 1821 01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:12.479 I kind of dug into it. And apparently he went 1822 01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:15.399 to a school in New York as well that was 1823 01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:18.720 near an Elm Street, So pardon me, wonders if he 1824 01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:21.640 just kept encountering it and to him it just felt like. 1825 01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:27.319 A kind of any town, USA, exactly like Springfield, perfect example. 1826 01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:29.640 Yeah, but that was kind of you know, every time 1827 01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:31.359 I grew up, I never thought about it because that 1828 01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:33.319 was just my address. But when I would give people 1829 01:30:33.319 --> 01:30:35.439 my address and I'd say Elm Street, I'd always get 1830 01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:36.399 a reaction from people. 1831 01:30:41.199 --> 01:30:46.000 Hmm, good flair, it's great. I was just looking at 1832 01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:46.720 that shot. 1833 01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:48.479 You know. 1834 01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:50.399 It's interesting. By the way, I was reading that the 1835 01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:54.600 original DP was let go from this movie before they 1836 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:55.279 finished shooting. 1837 01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:56.840 Oh really, why is that? 1838 01:30:57.840 --> 01:30:59.720 Just they were getting a lot of shots that were 1839 01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:03.520 out of focus and unusable and wow, I guess they 1840 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:06.600 wanted to replace the whole camera crew. And the DP 1841 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:09.800 was like no, like you'd have to fire me too, 1842 01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:12.680 and they're like okay, And so then they brought in 1843 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:18.560 Peter Deming, who he would see at this point. I 1844 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:23.239 think he would go on to become David Lynch's guy. Okay, 1845 01:31:23.239 --> 01:31:25.159 so he would shoot like Lost basically. I think he 1846 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:27.640 started with Lynch on Lost Highway and then he went 1847 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.880 all the way to the end through the Lost Hiway. 1848 01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:33.000 Was before this right, that was like seventy six sish 1849 01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:37.600 or maybe it's right, am I wrough. I thought Lost 1850 01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:39.319 and Lost Highway was earlier than this, but I could 1851 01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:39.600 be wrong. 1852 01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:41.279 I was thinking ninety seven, but I might be wrong. 1853 01:31:41.960 --> 01:31:44.920 Ninety seven Yeah, yeah, okay. And so then he went on, 1854 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:46.840 you know, shot Mohun Drive and all those sorts of things, 1855 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:49.520 and then he shot the rest of the screen movies, 1856 01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:53.640 so obviously that became a good collaboration. And he funny enough, 1857 01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:57.880 he also did all the Austin Powers movies, so that's great. 1858 01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:01.640 So he's he's you know, he's all. He's not doing 1859 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:04.159 like a Yanush thing where everything looks a certain way. 1860 01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:07.359 Yes, exactly. And he also shot a little movie called 1861 01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:11.119 Lucky You Urts Hands and Flick, which I worked on, 1862 01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:13.640 and so I actually got to meet him and chat 1863 01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:14.119 with him. 1864 01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:19.079 And that's where Brian enters the story. Yeah I love that. 1865 01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:19.600 That's great. 1866 01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:22.399 But yeah, I was a little starstruck meeting him. 1867 01:32:22.640 --> 01:32:23.439 So it's cool. 1868 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:26.319 That was very cool, Like I, you know, not often 1869 01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:31.920 you're like familiar with the you know, TP's filmography, and yeah, 1870 01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:37.039 I had so many questions for him. So Dewey, I 1871 01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:39.960 think they kept it when they were filming this little 1872 01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:44.000 they shot options about whether that Dewey was dead. 1873 01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:46.640 Yeah. Right, so there's a there's a little bit of 1874 01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:52.359 a Cosmo Renfro in the fugitive situation. Yes, uh. In 1875 01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:55.039 this case, the test audiences really like Dewey, so they 1876 01:32:55.039 --> 01:32:59.119 wanted to make his death less final, right, and so 1877 01:32:59.159 --> 01:32:59.760 they kept him. 1878 01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:01.119 Alive the right decision. 1879 01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:07.079 Yeah, That's that's the tricky thing when it comes to, 1880 01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:12.039 you know, having to decide to kill off long running characters. 1881 01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:15.319 I think that's always sort of fascinating, right, because this 1882 01:33:15.439 --> 01:33:18.880 is something that that Robert Kirkman talked about with the 1883 01:33:18.920 --> 01:33:25.760 Walking Dead television series as compared to the comic book. 1884 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:28.800 You know, he said that it was relatively easy to 1885 01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:30.920 kill off characters while doing the comic book, but he 1886 01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:33.159 realized it was a lot harder when doing the show 1887 01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:36.000 because because the characters are much more real and you 1888 01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:41.560 form these parasocial relationships, and you know, that's that's that's 1889 01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:46.399 the dilemma again with with the franchise. Like Scream, it 1890 01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:50.960 relies on characters dying, But the longer characters last, the 1891 01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:53.760 less we want to see them die, Like do we 1892 01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:55.960 want to see Sidney Dye in one of these things, 1893 01:33:56.159 --> 01:33:57.279 you know, I don't. 1894 01:33:57.560 --> 01:33:58.720 Yeah, same, right. 1895 01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:02.119 So that's why when she when she booked, you know 1896 01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:04.640 when when for the for the sixth one, they didn't 1897 01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:06.479 pay her for what she wanted and she's like, see, yeah, 1898 01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:08.560 I was like, good, I'd rather know that she's out 1899 01:34:08.560 --> 01:34:17.159 there alive, you know, right, yeah, this right here, this 1900 01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:18.520 is this is something freaky. 1901 01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:24.880 Yes it is. Yeah, that's right. That's so funny. You're 1902 01:34:24.920 --> 01:34:31.800 you're the stew Yeah, that's right. She's like you both. 1903 01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:34.760 That was like such a great twist too. I mean, 1904 01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:38.399 having two killers, yep, it makes it very confusing, but 1905 01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:38.880 it does. 1906 01:34:38.760 --> 01:34:40.359 Add up and then brilliant. 1907 01:34:40.359 --> 01:34:43.199 They kind of continue with that trend, not in three, 1908 01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:46.279 but in two. There's two people. Yeah, kind of a 1909 01:34:46.319 --> 01:34:47.720 master and an apprentice in that one. 1910 01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:53.479 Yeh. Fifth one for sure, yep. 1911 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:56.199 And fourth one too, fourth. 1912 01:34:56.039 --> 01:34:57.680 One, I'll say. See, I'm trying to remember sixth though. 1913 01:34:57.760 --> 01:34:59.600 I was. I was telling him this morning, I was like, 1914 01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:03.279 I don't remember who the killer is in the sixth one. 1915 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:08.359 I don't either. I remember. Now I'm realizing if people 1916 01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:09.800 have seen the first one and they're listening to this, 1917 01:35:09.840 --> 01:35:11.880 and like, I'm gonna watch the entire series, We're like, well, 1918 01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:13.680 in the fourth one is Jeff, and then in the 1919 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:16.920 fifth one Stevie and Nicole, and in the sixth one 1920 01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:23.439 they were just like completely flatly ruining all of them. 1921 01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:27.920 I remember the conceit it's like his daughter, Billy Loomis's daughter, 1922 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:28.920 but I don't remember. 1923 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:33.279 Yeah, so that's that's the Melissa Brera character, right right, 1924 01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:36.960 which is great because it gave Skeet a new character 1925 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:39.359 to play. M well, his old character to play. I 1926 01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:41.680 should say it gave him a new gig. So I 1927 01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:44.000 have to imagine he was just as miffed when when 1928 01:35:44.000 --> 01:35:47.880 Melissa Brera got fired, right, because he had a good 1929 01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:48.560 thing going there. 1930 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:57.479 Yeah. Yeah, And he's quote quoting in Psycho. 1931 01:36:00.199 --> 01:36:04.760 Which is great because he's named after well, two horror characters. 1932 01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:07.079 I guess I was thinking of Sam Loomis from Psycho, 1933 01:36:07.960 --> 01:36:12.399 but also, uh, doctor Loomis, you know, from from Halloween, 1934 01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:15.279 and and you know those are both good guy characters, 1935 01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:19.960 so to some extent you're unconsciously at least you're supposed 1936 01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:24.039 to think him as a good guy. But yeah, he 1937 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:27.359 you know, it's he says Anthony Perkins in Psycho. He 1938 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:31.560 doesn't say Norman Bates yes, and and to me that's like, yeah, 1939 01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:35.520 he's he's uh, he doesn't. The line between reality and 1940 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:38.600 fantasy is just blurred for him, you know. I like that. 1941 01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:41.039 I like that, you know, And it makes sense too 1942 01:36:42.079 --> 01:36:43.760 that he. 1943 01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:45.119 He's got this weird oedible thing right because his mom 1944 01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:46.239 left and you know, oh. 1945 01:36:46.159 --> 01:36:47.760 I didn't even think about that, but I just mean that, 1946 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:49.680 like all the references, it adds up right to the 1947 01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:57.439 beginning scene where he's doing movie trivia with Casey. You know, 1948 01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:02.640 it was interesting too. I read that they had to 1949 01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:06.199 keep trimming this movie to get down to an R rating, right, 1950 01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:10.239 Which did you read about that? 1951 01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:15.600 Just just what I know is that that Wes Craven 1952 01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:18.640 kept leaning on the satire aspect to try to get 1953 01:37:18.640 --> 01:37:20.439 them to look at it differently. But I don't know. 1954 01:37:20.760 --> 01:37:23.119 Yeah, that's basically what it came down to was they 1955 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:27.119 did make the trims, like we referenced earlier. Even that 1956 01:37:27.199 --> 01:37:29.039 cameraman I think had a little bit more. I think 1957 01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:30.760 his thing was he gets his throat slit. 1958 01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:32.079 Yeah, but he. 1959 01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:35.960 Lingered on him. And for Wes Craven, he thought that 1960 01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:39.399 was more human and sympathetic and like, this is sad, 1961 01:37:39.439 --> 01:37:41.680 this is a sad thing that's happening, but it was 1962 01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:47.000 too horrifying for the MPAA, and so you know, they 1963 01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:51.439 trimmed some of these deaths or gore or whatever it is. 1964 01:37:51.680 --> 01:37:54.960 But what ultimately got the NPAA off their back was 1965 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:58.359 Bob Weinstein said, stop thinking about it as a horror movie. 1966 01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:02.159 Think of it as a comedy, right, and then they're like, oh, okay, 1967 01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:13.439 that's all it takes. Yeah, apparently, But that I mean, 1968 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:16.640 like I was saying earlier, I do feel like they 1969 01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:20.880 get a little more. They always remain mysteries and character driven, 1970 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:23.560 but they become a bit more fun as they go along. 1971 01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:27.159 But I do feel like this one does have kind 1972 01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:30.680 of an edginus to it, maybe the most edginus in 1973 01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:33.960 the real world. Like this is disturbing thinking about high 1974 01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:36.880 school students doing this to each other and this is 1975 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:38.319 really you know. 1976 01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:41.439 That's really like and it really struck me on this rewatching, 1977 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:44.119 like these are these are high schoolers that's really messed up. 1978 01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:48.960 Yeah, you know, yeah, just killing their peers and taking 1979 01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:53.479 their parents, friends, parents hostage and it's really upsetting. But 1980 01:38:53.560 --> 01:38:56.760 I wouldn't change it. That's why I think it's good. Yeah, 1981 01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:59.520 it's just he just struck the right tone perfectly. 1982 01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:04.960 Yeah, it's tricky, you know. I think as the films 1983 01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:08.039 have gone on, and you know, they try to incorporate, 1984 01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:11.800 you know, new ways in which we interface with the media, 1985 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:13.199 and you know, we've had much there's much more of 1986 01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:15.479 a social media focus and later ones I think I think, 1987 01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:19.199 I think that's an essential ingredient, right, because it's ultimately 1988 01:39:19.239 --> 01:39:23.920 meta commentary about how we our relationship with media, you know. 1989 01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:27.479 But that's the that's the constant challenge, you know, It's 1990 01:39:27.479 --> 01:39:30.680 like how you know, I mean, supposedly they're already planning 1991 01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:32.880 an eighth one, and you know, they'll keep going as 1992 01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:35.880 long as they can, you know, but it's hard. You know, 1993 01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:39.079 it's hard. How do you how do you keep it fresh? 1994 01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:39.439 You know? 1995 01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:44.960 You know it's interesting too, just thinking of the violence. 1996 01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:48.399 This was in a moment where people were blaming movies 1997 01:39:48.439 --> 01:39:52.399 a lot more for real world violence, and this movie 1998 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:54.439 kind of touches on it a little bit, but then 1999 01:39:54.439 --> 01:39:56.079 two goes really into it. 2000 01:39:57.720 --> 01:40:01.359 Yeah, well, and and what was it like? It was 2001 01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:03.840 ninety nine, Yeah, because it was when the Matrix came out. Remember, 2002 01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:07.960 people were blaming the Matrix for the Columbine shootings. 2003 01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:12.079 Well, and then they were shooting three. They started right 2004 01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:15.800 after Columbine, so that movie did get toned down as 2005 01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:16.279 a result. 2006 01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:17.600 I remember that of that. 2007 01:40:17.720 --> 01:40:21.359 Yeah, wow, that's why that one is probably the least 2008 01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:25.279 uh because gory you you could say that's true. 2009 01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:27.800 Right, Like, like there was this moment where it seemed 2010 01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:31.000 like Hollywood was trying to trim as sales a little 2011 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:34.760 bit in terms of going into like like really hardcore horror. 2012 01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:38.479 So there was like this dip and then and then 2013 01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:44.520 in the following decade we started getting into the torture porn. Yes, right, 2014 01:40:44.880 --> 01:40:48.520 stuff with like saw and you know whatever, hostile and whatnot. 2015 01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:52.800 You know, right, So it's like there was this momentary pullback. 2016 01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:56.640 Then it's like ah, yeah, yeah, like a pendulum. Then yeah, 2017 01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:57.880 exactly the way to the other. 2018 01:40:57.760 --> 01:40:59.880 Side, all the way to the other Sideah. And then 2019 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:05.439 and then you get your human centipedes. Yeah, somehow we 2020 01:41:05.560 --> 01:41:06.239 ended up there. 2021 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:12.399 Yeah, well we failed as a race, a human race 2022 01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:14.119 for a while, but you know, we got it back. 2023 01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:15.760 We got it back in. 2024 01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:21.199 I love this. He stabbed him so much. He's feeling woozy. 2025 01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:21.680 I know. 2026 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:24.119 It's so funny because again, like this is like a 2027 01:41:24.239 --> 01:41:28.439 masterclass in balancing tones because that's funny and also really 2028 01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:31.720 really upsetting. Yeah, you know, like the part where he's like, 2029 01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:33.960 my parents are going to kill me. It makes me 2030 01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:37.560 laugh and also makes me really uncomfortable, you know, like 2031 01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:40.640 just thinking about him as a kid. You know, he's 2032 01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:43.039 acting all tough and big and whatever and in charge here, 2033 01:41:43.079 --> 01:41:44.920 but at the end of the day, as he's dying, 2034 01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:46.800 he's a kid and worried about what his parents are 2035 01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:49.960 going to think about this, right you know? Well I 2036 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:51.399 love that too, by the way, where he's like, Houston, 2037 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:54.079 we have a problem, you know, because they're missing the gun. 2038 01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:56.239 And I mean if this came out in ninety six, 2039 01:41:56.319 --> 01:42:01.319 they probably shot it months after Apollo thirteen had come out. Yeah, 2040 01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:03.800 you know, so that's probably something they had just heard, 2041 01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:06.119 but who knew that'd be something that would live on 2042 01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:07.399 in people's memories for that. 2043 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:13.479 That's a great point, right right, look at that. You 2044 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:16.239 got to take the safety off, man, I know, I know. 2045 01:42:18.079 --> 01:42:20.439 If there's one thing Scream taught me is that when 2046 01:42:20.479 --> 01:42:23.079 I've got the serial killer dead to rights, make sure 2047 01:42:23.079 --> 01:42:24.680 the gun safety is off. 2048 01:42:24.760 --> 01:42:25.119 That's right. 2049 01:42:26.119 --> 01:42:26.319 You know. 2050 01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:28.640 I was reading an interview, well I read an interview 2051 01:42:28.640 --> 01:42:31.720 and I listened to a podcast with Matthew Lillard and 2052 01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:34.640 he was talking about his earlier roles. So I had 2053 01:42:34.720 --> 01:42:38.640 actually seen him before this in Hackers. Do you remember that? Ah, yes, 2054 01:42:38.720 --> 01:42:40.720 that's right, And he plays a really quirky guy in that. 2055 01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:43.079 Yeah, I didn't see that until later. Yeah, okay. 2056 01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:45.399 But he was saying, when I look at Hackers, and 2057 01:42:45.399 --> 01:42:47.920 when I look at you know, Scream, especially like the ending, 2058 01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:52.479 I just see this kid overacting, you like, trying too 2059 01:42:52.560 --> 01:42:56.319 hard to be memorable. And he is, like, he has 2060 01:42:56.359 --> 01:42:58.600 a quote, he's like, we were crazy if I ever 2061 01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:00.600 saw somebody do that on and said, be like, dude, 2062 01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:05.640 bring it down fifty eight percent. But I disagree, Like, 2063 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:09.399 I think he's doing it perfectly, you know. And I 2064 01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:13.039 think the reason it works it adds a strange sort 2065 01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:16.000 of levity to all the awfulness that we're seeing right now. 2066 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:19.680 It also makes him super unique and interesting and different 2067 01:43:19.680 --> 01:43:23.000 than Billy. And I think why it works too is 2068 01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:26.720 that feels like Matthew Lillard, Yeah, that's good point, you 2069 01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:29.000 know what I mean. Like I think sometimes people try 2070 01:43:29.079 --> 01:43:31.319 to play like, oh, I'll play the crazy guy, but 2071 01:43:31.359 --> 01:43:34.560 they don't have that crazy in their eye. Right, Like 2072 01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:36.520 the first thing they came to mind, was Timothy Shalomey 2073 01:43:36.600 --> 01:43:41.119 playing Wonka. I just never kind of bought like Wonka's 2074 01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:44.960 like a little unhinged. I never quite bought schalome playing 2075 01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:46.840 like a fanciful unhinged guy. 2076 01:43:46.920 --> 01:43:49.199 It just felt like, you don't buy him as a 2077 01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:50.199 child murderer. 2078 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:53.840 Yes, you know what I mean, Like he's he's trying 2079 01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:55.319 to do a type that I don't feel like is 2080 01:43:55.359 --> 01:43:58.640 inherent inside of him. Lillard is playing something that comes 2081 01:43:58.720 --> 01:44:00.800 naturally to him. So it just feels kind of fun 2082 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:01.239 to watch. 2083 01:44:01.920 --> 01:44:10.840 That's right, He's like as is. It's it's like sideshow 2084 01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:13.720 Bob writing the letter with his blood, you know, and 2085 01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:16.079 he's passing out. That's where Stu is. 2086 01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:29.640 Right right, you had been the phone dick. So yeah, 2087 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:31.720 that's it. My parents are gonna be so mad at me. 2088 01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:40.600 And then this, this house ends up becoming like a 2089 01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:47.279 like a hallowed location in in the Scream verse because 2090 01:44:47.359 --> 01:44:49.720 because we come back to it and Scream five, and 2091 01:44:50.960 --> 01:44:52.479 from what I can see in the trailers, it's in 2092 01:44:52.520 --> 01:44:54.560 the in the it's in the seventh one. 2093 01:44:55.039 --> 01:44:58.680 Yep yep used in a pretty unique way. And then 2094 01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:03.359 in three, Sydney visits the set of stab that's right, 2095 01:45:03.399 --> 01:45:05.800 and she gets to see her house and Stew's house 2096 01:45:06.199 --> 01:45:10.800 as these facades. But it's a really creepy moment for 2097 01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:13.159 Oh I read by the way that umbrella gag there 2098 01:45:13.199 --> 01:45:15.600 that they just did ye that the stunt person missed 2099 01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:19.319 the pad that was under Ulrich's shirt. Oh really did 2100 01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:21.680 like stab them with that thing? 2101 01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:22.800 Holy moly. 2102 01:45:23.039 --> 01:45:27.279 Yeah. By the way, she didn't really have to put 2103 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:27.760 that costume. 2104 01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:29.319 I was about to mention that. I was like, is 2105 01:45:29.319 --> 01:45:31.319 there a reason that seems like extra effort? 2106 01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:34.199 It's cool, it's cool imagery. 2107 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:36.600 I mean, if you're gonna make it into a moment, 2108 01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:39.239 I guess, but in. 2109 01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:40.800 Real life, like why obscure your vision? 2110 01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:43.880 But even in the movie, it's not really a moment, 2111 01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:44.560 you know what I mean? 2112 01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:47.760 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's a visual for two seconds. 2113 01:45:47.800 --> 01:45:50.800 Like if it was if it was a thing where 2114 01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:53.399 he opens the door and he sees ghost face and 2115 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:55.199 he has a momentary ooh you. 2116 01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:57.479 Know yeah, yeah, make more of a moment out of it. 2117 01:45:57.560 --> 01:45:59.520 Yeah, like that would be there, you know. Yeah. I 2118 01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:02.079 think of the ways I want to go. Having a 2119 01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:06.000 giant old tube TV dropped on my head. I'm gonna 2120 01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:07.880 say that's like a top six ways I don't want 2121 01:46:07.920 --> 01:46:08.119 to go. 2122 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:12.479 You know, it's funny. It's such a horrifying image seeing 2123 01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:15.680 this guy in a bloody sweater with a tube TV 2124 01:46:15.800 --> 01:46:18.840 that's sparking over him and he's like shaking and convulsing, 2125 01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:22.119 and it still is. But it does make me think 2126 01:46:22.119 --> 01:46:25.199 of how far we've come where this was probably like 2127 01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:29.319 really really intense pushing NC seventeen back in ninety six, 2128 01:46:29.359 --> 01:46:32.640 but like just TV itself and streaming like Game of 2129 01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:35.600 Thrones have gotten so you know what I mean, Like 2130 01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:36.880 the line is always pushed. 2131 01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:38.560 Now it's just good, clean fun. 2132 01:46:41.720 --> 01:46:43.119 You know what that also makes me think of is 2133 01:46:43.159 --> 01:46:44.000 that movie. 2134 01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:47.479 As she sticks her finger in his wound and we're 2135 01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:49.159 just seeing air of popcorn, laughing. 2136 01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:54.399 Gross point blank. Do you remember that movie where jhene 2137 01:46:54.439 --> 01:46:57.199 Cusy plays a hitman who goes to and he puts 2138 01:46:57.239 --> 01:46:59.159 a tube he throws a tube TV on top of 2139 01:46:59.239 --> 01:47:03.319 Dan Aykroyd. Yep, And I remember that like upsetting. 2140 01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:06.760 Also, well, I'm glad we don't got those types of 2141 01:47:06.760 --> 01:47:07.600 TVs anymore. 2142 01:47:07.720 --> 01:47:10.159 Yeah, thank god, thank god we've got the flat screen 2143 01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:10.720 going on now. 2144 01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:14.880 Thank goodness for that. Hopefully this this commentary track does 2145 01:47:14.960 --> 01:47:16.760 not turn out to be my moment of irony where 2146 01:47:16.760 --> 01:47:18.600 I'm like, one way, I definitely don't want to go, 2147 01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:20.520 and then you're listening to this like thirty years from now. 2148 01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:26.000 It's like, oh man, right, that's really unfortunate and accurate. 2149 01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:26.279 You know. 2150 01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:29.399 Was that Pat and Oswald bit where he's talking about 2151 01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:31.920 in the movie where it's like, you know, you see 2152 01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:34.359 Chuck Berry passing guitar as a six year old be like, 2153 01:47:34.399 --> 01:47:37.399 what's that? Yeah, we can kind of smile because we 2154 01:47:37.439 --> 01:47:38.520 know that that's going to be one of the most 2155 01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:42.079 important things in his life. For you. Yeah, this thirty 2156 01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:44.000 years from now is are listening and it's like, well, 2157 01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:46.479 I hope the old tube TV bit doesn't happen to me. 2158 01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:48.560 Everybody knows somehow. 2159 01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:51.560 Ever, since I heard that, I always think about that. 2160 01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:53.159 It's like, is this my moment of irony? 2161 01:47:53.239 --> 01:47:55.319 In a right moment of irony? Yes, that's what it is. 2162 01:47:55.359 --> 01:47:57.159 Because he talks about it. It's like, you know, you 2163 01:47:57.199 --> 01:47:58.840 have the mo It's it's not Chuck Berry. It's like 2164 01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:01.600 Paul McCartney, That's what it is. Yeah, And it's like, 2165 01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:03.760 oh see, because he's Paul McCartney and he's you know, 2166 01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:06.560 but it's like you know, he's like, I hope my 2167 01:48:06.680 --> 01:48:09.640 Paul mccarton, or he's like, I hope my moment like 2168 01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:14.239 that is where I when I was in grade school 2169 01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:17.840 and I drew a picture of a rhinoceros wearing a dress, 2170 01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:19.840 and my teacher's like, what do you think you are? 2171 01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:22.000 Oswalt's some kind of comedian, and he's like, oh, see's 2172 01:48:22.000 --> 01:48:23.960 funny because he's a comedian. You know. He's like, I 2173 01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:26.000 hope that's my moment of irony and not. Oh so 2174 01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:27.840 that's the guy who when he was forty, he fell 2175 01:48:27.880 --> 01:48:30.359 into the rhino enclosure and he got asked right by 2176 01:48:30.359 --> 01:48:33.359 the rhino. It's right, right, right, man, It's just ironic, 2177 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:33.680 you know. 2178 01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:36.319 It's like, that's true. I remember you playing that for 2179 01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:38.640 me many many years ago, and I've always thought about that. 2180 01:48:39.319 --> 01:48:44.079 What is my ironic moment? I don't realize I'm living. 2181 01:48:46.600 --> 01:48:48.880 Now now. Just here, she says something out of a 2182 01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:51.279 scary movie, which we would have been like, hey, she 2183 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:53.840 said the thing, but of course yes, it's not the thing. 2184 01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:58.920 What's funny is that the movie that became scary movie 2185 01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:01.079 originally had a title that was like I know what 2186 01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:04.039 you screamed last summer or some freaking thing. 2187 01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:06.479 Last Halloween yeah or something yeah, yeah, something like that. 2188 01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:09.600 Yeah, And because it was like it was like, don't 2189 01:49:09.600 --> 01:49:11.640 be a menace to South Central while drinking your juice 2190 01:49:11.640 --> 01:49:14.159 in the hood. It was like that, but instead they 2191 01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:16.279 called it scary movie. And those movies have gone on 2192 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:17.520 and done just fine. 2193 01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:19.399 And there's going to be a new one this year. 2194 01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:23.319 Oh there is. I forgot about that. Yeah, I want 2195 01:49:23.359 --> 01:49:26.319 to say August, Wow, look at that. Yeah, and the 2196 01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:27.199 wains are back. 2197 01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:30.199 We got your scream here, you got your scary there. 2198 01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:31.359 Yep, yep. 2199 01:49:31.439 --> 01:49:33.880 It's like nineteen the nineties never left. 2200 01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:41.680 Is basically yay, where's hammer I've said. I just told 2201 01:49:41.680 --> 01:49:45.039 someone recently, like I all this nineties stuff coming back, 2202 01:49:45.119 --> 01:49:47.840 and you know, the jeans and everything were are the 2203 01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:51.359 hammer pants? And you know, I said that to someone 2204 01:49:51.399 --> 01:49:53.399 in there, like would you seriously wear hammer pants if 2205 01:49:53.439 --> 01:49:56.079 they came back? And I was like, yes, I would. 2206 01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:01.159 That's all. 2207 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:02.920 You know, we thank you for that. 2208 01:50:03.239 --> 01:50:08.760 One more tid that I had that I have to share. 2209 01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:12.840 I thought this was kind of funny speaking of scary movie. 2210 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:16.800 So I think it increases with each movie, but there's 2211 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:19.479 whenever a victor, you know, a potential Victims is running 2212 01:50:19.479 --> 01:50:22.000 away from ghost Face. They're always throwing flower vases at 2213 01:50:22.000 --> 01:50:24.359 his head or beer bottles at his crotch or like, 2214 01:50:24.479 --> 01:50:29.560 you know, like crazy things, and it becomes almost funny, 2215 01:50:29.720 --> 01:50:31.560 like how much he's getting beaten up, and they do 2216 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:33.800 play for laughs in Scary Movie where she like throws 2217 01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:37.319 a piano down the stairs and he's like running away. 2218 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:40.359 But apparently they were clocking that in this one, that 2219 01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:43.399 it was starting to become kind of funny. Yeah, how 2220 01:50:43.439 --> 01:50:45.920 clumsy he was or how often he's getting knocked down, 2221 01:50:46.000 --> 01:50:48.640 and so there were extra things he was hit with. 2222 01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:52.840 Apparently Sydney beat him over the head with a picture 2223 01:50:52.920 --> 01:50:56.760 from the wall, okay, and so they cut that out. 2224 01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:01.159 So they found the moment where it was not comic. 2225 01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:03.000 Where the sublime became ridiculous. 2226 01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:04.800 And that's exactly exactly interesting. 2227 01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:07.279 So I thought that, by the way, that that credit 2228 01:51:07.439 --> 01:51:11.000 sequence that we just saw, there's something freaky vibes right there. 2229 01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:14.960 Dude, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, I always 2230 01:51:14.960 --> 01:51:16.880 think of Predator for some reason. That's the movie I 2231 01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:18.800 think of where you have the end credits and it 2232 01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:22.079 doesn't just say the character's name, you see a little 2233 01:51:22.119 --> 01:51:25.039 clip of them from the movie you just watched, right, 2234 01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:26.880 you know, kind of in slow mo or something. 2235 01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.760 Yeah, look at that phone voice, Roger Jackson, my man 2236 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:33.239 getting second billing. 2237 01:51:33.880 --> 01:51:36.199 He earns it. That makes an impression. 2238 01:51:36.600 --> 01:51:40.640 Yeah, it's hard to imagine Scream without his voice. Mm hmm. 2239 01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:46.520 So what do you think, Well, you know, I'll tell 2240 01:51:46.520 --> 01:51:49.199 you kind of what we started this discussion at where 2241 01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:51.159 it's like, you know, you and I don't come at 2242 01:51:51.159 --> 01:51:53.600 this as horror fans, but we do come at it 2243 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:56.560 as Scream fans. And I think that's a fascinating sort 2244 01:51:56.600 --> 01:52:01.079 of nether space to find yourself in. You know. Sure, Yeah, 2245 01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:05.439 I think partly, like I just feel the sense of 2246 01:52:05.479 --> 01:52:07.479 like it just takes me back. It takes me back 2247 01:52:07.520 --> 01:52:09.039 to when this movie came out, and just that whole 2248 01:52:09.079 --> 01:52:12.880 era of not just my life, but like pop culture, 2249 01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:17.439 you know, And so I'm glad that these films. My 2250 01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:19.960 sense is that they do somewhat live on, even though 2251 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:23.840 I said before that, like, you know, my students don't 2252 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:26.239 feel any desire to watch the new one, you know, 2253 01:52:28.399 --> 01:52:32.279 but I think for me it plays in a very 2254 01:52:32.319 --> 01:52:35.520 specific way because I lived through that era and I 2255 01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:37.880 was closer in age to the characters in the movie, 2256 01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:42.600 you know, sure, sure, yeah, And that's you know, I mean, 2257 01:52:42.760 --> 01:52:44.319 I'm looking forward to seeing the new one. 2258 01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:46.479 Yeah, I'm looking forward to watching it again. 2259 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:53.000 What are your thoughts revisiting? I mean you said you 2260 01:52:53.039 --> 01:52:57.479 saw this not during its initial release, you saw it 2261 01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:01.920 after three came out. Yes, so you were already like 2262 01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:04.520 twenty at that point. 2263 01:53:05.119 --> 01:53:06.640 No, I just enjoyed them. 2264 01:53:06.800 --> 01:53:07.960 Now you're pushing fifty. 2265 01:53:08.079 --> 01:53:11.239 Oh how do I look at them now? Yeah? To me, 2266 01:53:11.359 --> 01:53:14.920 this movie completely holds up. I mean on a story level, 2267 01:53:15.039 --> 01:53:19.399 on a character level, and on a filmmaking level. I 2268 01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:21.560 still find the filmmaking kinetic. 2269 01:53:22.279 --> 01:53:24.840 They shout out to Greg Nicotaro there doing the makeup 2270 01:53:24.880 --> 01:53:27.479 effects see of course of Walking Dead Fame. 2271 01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:30.760 Oh nice, nice, But no, you know what I mean. They 2272 01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:34.920 to me, they remain propulsive and kinetic and cinematic and 2273 01:53:34.960 --> 01:53:38.319 thrilling and fun and scary, and I care about the 2274 01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:44.920 characters and I still find it, you know, fun, you know, 2275 01:53:44.960 --> 01:53:47.239 So I to me, I think this movie completely holds up. 2276 01:53:47.840 --> 01:53:48.760 Yeah. 2277 01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:52.760 I mean the sequels have their own, you know, different personalities, 2278 01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:56.600 and they hold up maybe differently, but this one I 2279 01:53:56.680 --> 01:53:59.279 just feel like it was a great movie. Then I 2280 01:53:59.359 --> 01:54:00.600 think it's still a great movie. 2281 01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:05.079 Now, well, there we go. I think that's a good 2282 01:54:05.119 --> 01:54:08.920 place to leave this discussion. Yeah, but hey, if those 2283 01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:12.479 of you listening tell us your thoughts on screen, the 2284 01:54:12.520 --> 01:54:14.560 original and the franchise. Let us know what you thought 2285 01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:16.640 about our thoughts on the film. You can email us 2286 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:19.520 at moviefilmpodcast at gmail dot com. You can also hit 2287 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:22.880 like on our Facebook page Facebook dot com slash moviefilm 2288 01:54:22.880 --> 01:54:25.520 podcast and message us there. As always, please go to 2289 01:54:25.560 --> 01:54:27.880 Apple Podcasts and leave review, leave a star rating. If 2290 01:54:27.920 --> 01:54:30.359 you're listening to this show on YouTube, please hit like 2291 01:54:30.479 --> 01:54:33.239 and subscribe to that page and leave comments there because 2292 01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:35.520 we do read those on the show. 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