WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:08.759 Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans. 2 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:10.759 Troops that have been to war and now they're. 3 00:00:10.519 --> 00:00:13.679 Back and think and be grateful for their service. 4 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:17.800 Sacrifice, love for their country, just unselfishness, all that they 5 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:18.640 do for us. 6 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:22.039 There are some people in this country who take extraordinary 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.679 steps to provide for the freedom and security. We forget 8 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:29.160 that those people exist. We know them as the Army, Navy, 9 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:37.679 Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard. They call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors, 10 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:44.079 devil dogs, and so much more. We call them fathers, brothers, 11 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:49.560 sons and husbands, mothers, daughters, sisters and wives. We call 12 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:54.799 them friend and neighbor. These veterans answered the call. Now 13 00:00:55.439 --> 00:01:02.359 we answer Theirs are the best our country has to offer, 14 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:07.519 and we love them. Today, we honor them and we 15 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:14.879 serve them. David Malsby is your host, and he welcomes 16 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.760 you to this community of veterans. As together we are 17 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:21.040 building the road to. 18 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:25.719 Hope and glad to have you along. On a Sunday afternoon, 19 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:28.920 those of you listening through the KPRC to nine to 20 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.200 five OO on the AM dial here in Houston, Texas, 21 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.000 thank you for joining us. Those of you listening through podcasts. 22 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.280 We truly appreciate you not only listening, but hit that 23 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.280 subscribe button. 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But I am the legal 57 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:25.800 resident liaison. 58 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:30.520 So to John Doe driving around six' ten right, now 59 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:33.120 He i'm not really sure what that. Means so SO 60 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:39.479 i handle the national liaise with the different probations, courts 61 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:44.479 district attorneys to make sure the veterans Of Camp hope 62 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.479 are doing what they're supposed to be doing and where 63 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:51.599 they are supposed to. Be and it's pretty. 64 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:55.240 Amazing we get a lot of small, victories but sometimes 65 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:00.159 guys are facing some cases and they get it an 66 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.800 opportunity to come To Camp hope and change their life 67 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.199 and instead of going to jail and just being thrown 68 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:10.759 in the, slammer the judges and district attorneys see the 69 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:13.599 change in them and they reduce their. 70 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.840 Sentence, yeah and you, know it's one of those things 71 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:21.360 we can't quote, UNQUOTE i guess advertise or market because 72 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:25.279 you can't guarantee what a judge is going to do 73 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.879 in any given, court in any given. Case but we 74 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:36.959 have seen some guys come through not expecting to get 75 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:41.560 their record cleaned, up only to find out once they've 76 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.120 completed the, program the judge did it completely wiped it. 77 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:47.079 UP i, mean it's just been incredible to get to 78 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:48.399 see some of those. Moments it's. 79 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:53.199 Amazing it's amazing these, guys AND i believe every judge 80 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:55.720 and every lawyer they go into the profession because they 81 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:00.600 want to help. People and it definitely doesn't take away 82 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:05.639 what some of us have, done but it may explain 83 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:09.160 it a little. Bit going around with UNDIAGNOSED ptsd and no, 84 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:14.480 treatment you get the, anger maybe the self medication so 85 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.759 it doesn't take it, away but it kind of explains. 86 00:05:16.759 --> 00:05:18.720 It and then we have an opportunity to come To 87 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:22.160 Camp hope and change our lives and put that behind. 88 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:26.399 Us and LIKE i said, that the, testimonies it comes 89 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:28.680 from the guy's. Heart it's not what they, say it's their. 90 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.759 Actions and whenever they go back to their courts and 91 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.439 they speak to the, judge and the same judge that's 92 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.720 trying to help this guy and he actually sees that 93 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:42.720 change in that, person it's amazing to see. It like you, 94 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:44.920 said it doesn't always work. OUT i don't sell, it 95 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.560 but if the guy's willing to, change willing to do the, 96 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.920 work and it's, evident, man it's. 97 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:56.160 Evident. Yeah one of the things always better, choices better. Results, yes, 98 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.839 sir make better, choices things are going to go a 99 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:02.399 little better for. You in, fact here In, houston this 100 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:09.000 is mid two, Thousand somewhere around two thousand and six or, 101 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:16.279 Seven Judge March March Mark carter began the First Felony 102 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:19.399 Veterans court here In. Houston it was one of the, 103 00:06:19.480 --> 00:06:21.680 FIRST i think maybe like a second in the, nation 104 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:23.920 and it took him while because he had to work 105 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:26.000 through the state legislature and get all that set. Up 106 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.399 but he worked really really hard at it because he 107 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:31.800 was seeing guys coming home and getting into trouble pretty. 108 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.240 Quickly there was no way for him through his court 109 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:37.879 system at the time to help, them and he was 110 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.360 seeing it like they just need a little bit of. 111 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:43.680 Help but he got that set, up and we've had 112 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.120 a lot of guys come through our. Program we now 113 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.519 have Two veterans courts here In. Houston we've had a 114 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:50.519 lot of guys come into our program through one of. 115 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:54.600 Those so truly to appreciate those judges who are able 116 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:56.439 to do. That we don't have a lot of time, 117 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.759 here but just real, quick we Got, chris if you 118 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:01.839 want to introduce yourself and when we come back from the, 119 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:03.279 break we'll kind of get into your. Story. 120 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:07.720 Yep, CHRIS Us army four two or Combat vet did 121 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:11.040 one FOR oif and one and three back to back 122 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:13.199 to back rotations over and our acts starting to know 123 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:17.360 three with the initial, push. 124 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:20.120 Got the frequent flyer. Card it's pretty, good just so much, 125 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.800 fun So i'll just keep doing. 126 00:07:22.839 --> 00:07:24.839 It, yeah we didn't have a. 127 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:28.519 Choice, YEAH i, KNOW i. Know for for you, know 128 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:32.040 those kind of stories just they hurt my heart just 129 00:07:32.040 --> 00:07:35.759 hearing them like that's that's. Insane, anyway we're going to 130 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:38.800 get Into chris's story a little bit after a quick. 131 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:40.800 Break we'll be back with More road To Hope radio 132 00:07:40.920 --> 00:08:07.040 in just a, moment and welcome Back road To. Hope. 133 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:10.360 Ray i'm glad to have you along as we get 134 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:13.279 into this. Story. One we're not a war story, show 135 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.560 so don't but still we'll touch on just a little 136 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.480 bit Of chris's time four, tours you, know and all 137 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.319 that that comes with. That so we will get into 138 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.040 that just a little, bit but not. Much but between 139 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:30.000 that and talking about the reintegration and coming home and 140 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:34.440 some of those. Issues we do know and understand that 141 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:37.960 these can be triggering to some as they hear some 142 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.360 of these, stories and we want to make sure everybody 143 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:45.720 has our. Number this is Our Combat Trauma Crisis support. 144 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:49.600 Line eight seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy. 145 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.440 Three give that to you. Again there's a lot of 146 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:56.720 sevens in. There eight seven seven seven one seven seventy 147 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.080 eight seventy. Three now here's what you need to know 148 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:04.639 and understand about. That it has answered twenty four to 149 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:09.039 seven three sixty five by a combat. VET i want 150 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.279 you to know and understand that a combat vet is 151 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.799 going to answer the. Phone eight seven seven seven one 152 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:17.159 seven seventy eight seventy. Three it's not a psych it's 153 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:19.600 not someone just reading answers off the. Screen it's someone 154 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.000 who's been, there done, that come through our, program and 155 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:27.960 received a good amount of additional training on suicide prevention 156 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.559 and other such. Things so they are qualified to answer the. 157 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:34.799 Phone but you just need to know it's somebody that 158 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:36.879 truly does. Understand how many times do you think you've 159 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.440 had what we commonly call the bad phone around our? Place? 160 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.360 OH i think it's about every, month once a, month 161 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:49.840 and anywhere between two and thirteen fifteen, calls and, man 162 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:54.080 it's it's it's the nicest. Thing once you tell the guy, like, hey, 163 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:57.600 MAN i hear. You i'm a, marine and you can 164 00:09:57.679 --> 00:09:59.440 just hear it in their, Voice you're, like, oh thank. 165 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.120 Goodness you know they don't have to explain, anything they 166 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:02.440 can just. 167 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:02.799 Talk. 168 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.919 Yeah it means the. World so just eight seven seven 169 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.240 seven one seven seventy eight seventy. Three even if you're 170 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:11.639 not of, that please put that in your. Phone you 171 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.799 never know who you might come across that could use 172 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.279 that number and you'd be kicking yourself because you, know 173 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:19.240 oh what was that number? Again so go ahead and 174 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:21.039 put on the phone eight seven seven seven one seven 175 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.120 seventy eight seventy. Three before we get back Into chris's, 176 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:26.440 story just real, quick a lot of things go wrong 177 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.679 at THE Ptsd foundation Of america And Camp. Hope we 178 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:35.279 encourage you to check out the WEBSITE ptsdusa dot, org 179 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:38.080 but also our social. Media look. This people ask me 180 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:40.200 all the time how CAN i? Help and of course 181 00:10:40.240 --> 00:10:42.960 every nonprofit in the world needs. Money we get something 182 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:47.000 from the electric company every single, month surprising to me 183 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.039 justin it's not a thank you note for taking care 184 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:51.679 of our. Bets it's a very large. Bill and you, 185 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:53.440 know if you ever run, business you know and understand 186 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.120 there's a lot of expense in doing what we. Do 187 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:01.639 but everyone can follow us on social Media, Facebook, instagram 188 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.080 x formerly know, This, twitter all those HANDLES PTSD. Usa 189 00:11:06.320 --> 00:11:10.159 just Think Post Traumatic Express DISORDER PTSD. Usa if you'll follow, 190 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:17.039 us reshare READ i don't know that is it? 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Fundraiser other folks do in 202 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:59.840 fundraisers that benefit. Us the, big the largest crawfish boil 203 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.320 in the world happened a few years ago right here In. 204 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:06.600 Houston few friends of. Ours they Had Guinness book Of 205 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.519 World records out to verify. It fifty two THOUSAND i 206 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:13.840 believe it was fifty two thousand. POUNDS i don't know 207 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.120 how many semi trailers load it. Was it was, crazy 208 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:19.279 fifty two thousand pounds of crawfish that they boiled in 209 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:23.960 a six hour. Period here's the cool. Thing you can 210 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:27.840 come and there's a six hour time. Frame It's may the, 211 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:30.159 third and we'll have all this if you look for 212 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:33.440 us On facebook for the show road To Hope radio On. 213 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:36.879 Facebook we'll post the. Link but you can buy the 214 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:40.080 wristbands right. Now it's thirty bucks if you wait and 215 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:43.039 buy it. THERE i think it's thirty. Five but here's the. 216 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.679 Deal thirty. Bucks you've got a six hour time period 217 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:49.639 where you can eat as much crawfish as you can 218 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:52.080 possibly put. Down and there's going to BE i think 219 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:55.440 somewhere around sixty different cook, teams so you can check 220 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:56.519 every single one of them out. 221 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:56.759 If you want. 222 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:59.679 TO i can't eat that much food, anymore SO i 223 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:03.399 always kind of. Wait let the guys go stroll, around, 224 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:05.480 comebacks all, right which ones were the, best and Then 225 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:09.440 i'll go to one of. Those, yeah six hours all 226 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:12.720 you can. Eat plus there's there's live, music there's A 227 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:17.519 they've got to. Now they do a complete like fair for. 228 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:20.440 Children there's all kinds of rides and all kinds of 229 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:23.240 fun things for the family. Do but you get a to, 230 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:27.240 Eat you get your crawfish fixed taken care of that. 231 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:29.480 Day all you can eat thirty bucks is the deal 232 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.080 of the. Day plus they raise a lot of money 233 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:34.720 for THE Ptsd foundation Of. America, again if you just 234 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:36.559 look For road To Hope radio On, facebook we'll have 235 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:38.919 a link there and all the information how you can 236 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:42.159 be a part of That may the Third. Saturday all, Right, 237 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:47.840 Chris so we were talking a little bit ago about 238 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:51.440 the legal. Issues you were kind of nodding your head 239 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:55.840 the part of your. Story, yes, Okay so let's let's 240 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:01.200 back up for a. Minute originally From, oklahoma, right originally From, 241 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.519 dallas but From. Dallas then you were In oklahoma From, 242 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.480 dallas and you went to high school in The dallas. Area, 243 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:11.039 correct all? Right what was life like For chris when 244 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:11.919 he was in high? School? 245 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:19.480 DIFFERENCE i was always the, yeah not. BUBBLY i kind 246 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:23.000 of was, sheltered saying to myself quite a, bit and 247 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:26.440 then ended up graduating in ninety eight and going to 248 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:26.759 buy my. 249 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:31.600 Business, okay anything siding star football. 250 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:34.960 PLAYERS i played, football but it wasn't no, star SO 251 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.200 i gave gave that up AND i went to the baseball. Field. 252 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:41.879 OKAY i ended up playing that for seven years where 253 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:46.720 down In dallas for who? For with The soto at, 254 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.639 first and then back with my community, college which Was Mountain. 255 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:56.679 View uh Mountain. View, No, No so what position were you? 256 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.679 PLAYING i normally played the, field, okay? Outfield? 257 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:01.960 Correct? 258 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:07.639 Okay all? Right got a gun for an arm had, yeah, yes, 259 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.799 yeah well this is all past tense for, yeah all, 260 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:15.519 right so? Baseball uh and in, college when did You 261 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.240 when did you decide to go to the. 262 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:24.320 Army after my second semester. Started WHILE i was in, 263 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.840 COLLEGE i had found out that you're allowed to walk 264 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.360 out of school in, college SO i continued to walk 265 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.519 out quite. Often so my father gave me an, ultimatum 266 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.799 AND i chose the higher, route which was joined The 267 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:38.320 United States. 268 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:39.240 Army what year was. 269 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.759 This this was back in the end of ninety, eight 270 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:43.720 beginning in ninety, nine so. 271 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:48.159 Pre nine to, eleven, Correct so you join the, army you, 272 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:51.960 know there's always an, opportunity but we weren't really nothing hot going, 273 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.279 on at least at the. Time. Correct then nine to eleven? 274 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:57.200 Happens what happens to? 275 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:02.159 YOU i remember that day watching it happen on THE, 276 00:16:02.200 --> 00:16:06.120 tv and we were immediately put on. Lockdown we were, 277 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.440 told if you're, married call your, spouses have him bring your. 278 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:12.200 Bags if you're singling in the, barracks get, escorted pack 279 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:14.120 your bags and everyone get. Back and then we were 280 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:14.559 sitting on the. 281 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:18.240 Tarmac by the, way why did you join the army 282 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:19.639 versus any other. 283 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:23.159 Brand, well my dad was In vietnam in The. NAVY 284 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:25.399 i wasn't so much of a fan of The Air. 285 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:30.360 Force army just kind of had WHAT i needed and you, 286 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:32.000 KNOW i like the recruiter quite a bit so and 287 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:32.600 it didn't do me. 288 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:36.360 Wrong what was what was your? JOB i was. 289 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.879 A nineteen kilo tank commander and patuons are on THE 290 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:39.639 m ONE a one. 291 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:44.559 Abrams all, right so your first deployment was. 292 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.320 That was For operation and During freedom in two thousand and, 293 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:49.080 one and that was over In. 294 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:52.720 Kuwait so right after you guys were. 295 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:56.320 Rolling, yeah we actually hadn't met with the Commands Army 296 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.480 major of The, Army Jack. Tilly he had came out 297 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.200 there and ripped up our orders to go across the 298 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:04.200 border at that. Time instead be looking for may have 299 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.119 three and sure, enough may HAVE o. Three we were 300 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:08.960 sitting right there going across the. 301 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:17.680 Border goodness stirs up lots of, memories uh for me 302 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.960 just watching on the, news but for you guys having 303 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.519 to lude through. It So i've heard, yeah goodness all 304 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:29.119 right again the phone. Number you are a vetting, crisis, 305 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.720 NO a veteran in crisis eight seven seven seven one 306 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:35.559 seven seventy eight seventy. Three, again a combat that's going 307 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:39.200 to answer the. PHONE ptsdusa dot org for all of, 308 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:42.079 information not only for our interim housing, program can we 309 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:44.319 Call Camp, hope but also for our support groups both 310 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:47.519 for veterans and for family. Members PTSD usa dot. 311 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:48.160 Org we'll be right. 312 00:17:48.200 --> 00:18:11.680 Back all, Right, well welcome you. Back justin AND i had, 313 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.200 said The Marine corps veteran staff member At Camp hope's 314 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:16.960 three years you've been on stuff. 315 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:18.759 Now, YEAH i graduated three years. 316 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:23.200 Ago that's. Awesome this MONTH i love those. Stories, yeah 317 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:25.279 it just hit. Me actually TODAY i was, like, Whoa, 318 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.680 YEAH i was getting ready for. Graduation, yeah which that reminds. 319 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:31.200 Me let me find this real QUICK i should have 320 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.559 had that on tap, here BUT i saw a date 321 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:41.000 on my. Phone let me find it here real. Quickly 322 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:46.599 MAYBE i won't find. It i'll look for it doing the, 323 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.000 break we'll move, on but we'll find. It it's an 324 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:55.640 anniversary day for the show. Anyway so first deployments right 325 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:00.839 after nine to, eleven you're into a right Or kuwait 326 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:08.640 and four? Total? Correct and you said the three In. 327 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.000 Afghanistan we're back to back to. Back those those are All, iraq, 328 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:14.000 correct Gotcha, Okay, yeah they were back to. 329 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.799 Back we actually changed our own name To Operation. 330 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:21.759 Extension how long were those three? 331 00:19:21.759 --> 00:19:25.039 Deployments six months? Piece SO i was over there three oh, 332 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:25.880 four came back in. 333 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:32.240 Five, Okay so you were hitting it really hard with 334 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:37.160 those four. Deployments. Correct since you're At Camp, hope obviously 335 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:42.559 THERE'S ptsd involved in there. Somewhere when did you first 336 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:46.000 notice something was? Up maybe you didn't understand what it, 337 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.759 was but something's not quite, right or did somebody else 338 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:51.759 have to help you understand? It something wasn't quite. 339 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:59.319 Right WHEN i was introduced to, addiction m you, know it's. 340 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:02.240 It had always thought everything was okay and going, through 341 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.680 but THEN i kind of noticed my own. REACTIONS i 342 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:08.039 would evaluate myself AND i would know, that like the 343 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:10.720 conduct THAT i was performing or WHAT i was doing 344 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:13.759 was uncharacteristic of. Me so there was something deeper going. 345 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:17.000 On SO i had to chose to get that looked 346 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.839 at on several different, aspects AND i landed At camp. 347 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.160 Op, now okay and time. Again when you got out 348 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:25.319 of the army twenty ten, ten you but your last 349 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:29.680 apponment was back five? Correct, okay but you were still 350 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:33.839 in until? Ten? Correct all, Right so when did you 351 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:36.640 not when did the addiction become apparent to, YOU. 352 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:41.759 I would say about ten years ago. 353 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.160 And at, all so another five years ish, correct after 354 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:46.680 you got out of the. 355 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:50.799 Army i'm sure it was there prior TO i just 356 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:52.160 didn't pick up on. 357 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:59.440 It. Yeah so, yeah in addition to the, addiction at 358 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:01.079 least the story REASON i here all the, time you, 359 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:08.200 know it begins with it's the coping mechanism that you're. Using, absolutely, 360 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:12.880 so whether it's hypervigilance or the night terrors or, whatever 361 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:16.319 what were some of those things you were, experiencing some 362 00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:18.039 of the things we now call symptoms OF. 363 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:21.400 Ptsd THAT'S i, mean you're pretty much at the nail 364 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:25.559 on the. HEAD i JUST i drink too. Whenever you, 365 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:30.079 know my addiction of alcohol and my, OTHERS i did 366 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:32.920 it to, escape you. KNOW i just didn't want to 367 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:34.640 think of the activity in front of me or what 368 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:38.759 was going. On SO i would partake and whatever my 369 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:42.160 addiction was at that time and just to forget about. 370 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.079 It but THEN i learned quickly that when you wake, 371 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:46.240 up it's still. 372 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:46.480 There. 373 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:50.839 Yeah JUST i think it's one of the things people 374 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:56.480 have to understand Because i've had we've now been out Of. 375 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:02.400 Afghanistan what a little over two. Years i've had people ask, me, 376 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:09.039 well we're not a war, anymore which is. Okay still 377 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:10.920 some people in PLACES i don't want to be right 378 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:13.000 now doing THINGS i don't want to, do but call 379 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:16.039 what everyone call. It But i've had people ask, well 380 00:22:16.119 --> 00:22:18.000 the needs should be kind of going, away, right because 381 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:22.319 we're not like oh, no, no, no, yeah, no it 382 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.400 doesn't work that. Way, no for the guys that and 383 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:28.640 gals that went, there went, overseas for the country that 384 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.000 they're we're still fighting that war very much. 385 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:36.240 So and you may not see. It it's not. Publicized 386 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:40.000 oh the war is, over but man It Like chris was, 387 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:41.759 saying it took him five years to figure it, OUT 388 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.240 i think it took me about ten fifteen years until 389 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:47.519 those thoughts and feelings started coming. OUT i could only 390 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:52.359 self medicate for so long before these emotions came, out 391 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:54.559 AND i couldn't hide them. 392 00:22:54.559 --> 00:23:00.920 Anymore. Yeah so the point is simply that the symptoms 393 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.680 OF ptsd do not necessarily show up. Immediately it can 394 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.960 take a. WHILE i remember one of the First Korean 395 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.519 war vets THAT i spoke to on behalf of The. 396 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:15.759 Foundation his story. Was you, know he had gone To, korea, 397 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.079 fought came, home went to, work you, know got, married 398 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:23.759 raised his, kids lived his, life didn't have any, issues 399 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:29.960 retired and within a month he was at the. Viagoing 400 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:34.079 what in the world diagnosed him WITH ptsd fifty something years, 401 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:39.000