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It seems weird that 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,119 we're getting so many of these, but another example of 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:41,600 how now the truth can be told. Yeah, for some 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:47,359 reason we were unable to learn these things until a 15 00:00:47,399 --> 00:00:52,200 week into the new administration. Here is yet another one. 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:00,200 Two former Politico reporters spoke candidly about efforts made by 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:05,879 their bosses to either slow walk or completely quash their 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:11,879 reporting on the Biden family during their time at that 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:18,400 news outlet, Politico. Indeed, you have two reporters, former political reporters, 20 00:01:18,439 --> 00:01:22,599 I should say, uh Mark Capito who now works for 21 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:29,519 Axios and Tara Palmery who now works for Puck and 22 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:34,359 she does a podcast on the YouTube. And uh So, 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,079 Tara Palmery had Mark capitou In and I think you 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,799 have to say it like that. That's how it's pronounced capito, 25 00:01:43,239 --> 00:01:44,200 or maybe it's capudo. 26 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: Actually I don't know. Sorry, I feel like a fraud. 27 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: So she had Mark on her podcast on her YouTube show, 28 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,280 and they were they were talking about their time I'm 29 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:06,560 over at Politico, and well, the name of the podcast 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:14,039 is called Somebody's Gotta Win. And I don't know if 31 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:19,360 this is you know them? Finally, shall we say, unburdened 32 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:21,800 by what has been right? And so now they are 33 00:02:21,879 --> 00:02:24,599 able to discuss these things because they no longer work 34 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,879 for Politico. They're not worried about getting fired by Politico. 35 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,960 So maybe that's it, or maybe just maybe they're trying 36 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,120 to send this signal to the audience and to the 37 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:39,039 market and to the administration that if it was up 38 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,680 to them, they would have done things differently. 39 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: Another great example when Politico did that terrible, ill fated 40 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,560 headline fifty one intelligence agents or former intelligence agents say 41 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,520 that the Hunter Biden laptop was disinformation or or the 42 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,319 hallmarks of disinformation. Turns out that story was closer to 43 00:02:56,319 --> 00:02:58,840 disinformation because the Hunter Biden laptop appeared. 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 4: To be true. 45 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 5: But then Facebook also all stories down about the Hunter 46 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Biden laptop, and I think Twitter right at the same time, 47 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:04,159 too correct. 48 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: They punished the. 49 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: New York Post. 50 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,159 Speaker 3: It didn't help. I mean Politico, my former employer, and 51 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:10,199 I knew at the time, didn't do itself any favors. 52 00:03:10,719 --> 00:03:11,919 I was covering by it at the time, and I 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,439 remember coming to my editor and saying, Hey, we need 54 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:16,319 to write about the Hunter Biden laptop. And I was 55 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,159 told this came from on high at Politico. Don't write 56 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:21,400 about the laptop, don't talk about the laptop, and don't 57 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:23,759 tweet about the laptop. And the only thing Politico wound 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,240 up writing was that piece that called it disinformation, which 59 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:29,919 charitably could be called misinformation at the least. 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I had a hard time. 61 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:31,319 Speaker 2: You know. 62 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 5: I wrote some pretty serious reporting on Hunter Biden, which 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,199 actually ended up getting him prosecuted, the story on the guy. 64 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: And I remember consulting with me because you did the 65 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:42,479 original report of the gun and you came to me like, 66 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:44,039 how do I write about this? Like I'm like, honestly, 67 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:44,560 I don't know. 68 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was hard to get it figured out. I 69 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:49,120 spent three three months on it. I went to the 70 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:51,520 laptop shop and I did all of the reporting and 71 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:54,280 Delaware and I did all of that, but yeah, I 72 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:56,680 had to be like much, it had to be one 73 00:03:56,719 --> 00:04:00,520 hundred percent nailed down. I had everything, you know, the 74 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,759 police reports, every like. You know, I'm a solid reporter. 75 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:05,719 But I do wonder if it could have it would 76 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:08,039 have been published a little quicker, those different type story. 77 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,719 Speaker 3: Well, since we're spilling tea about the former employer, I 78 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:14,840 still have a copy of the story on my eternal 79 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:20,399 hard drive. In twenty nineteen, a rival presidential Democratic campaign 80 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:24,120 of Joe Biden's gave to me the tax line, the 81 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,319 oppo research the tax line on Hunter Biden for the 82 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:28,639 period of time that he worked at Barisma, and I 83 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,759 wrote what would have been a classic story saying, you know, 84 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,600 the former vice president's son was slapped well with a 85 00:04:35,639 --> 00:04:37,279 big tax lien for the period of time that he 86 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:41,160 worked for this controversial Ukrainian oil concern or natural gas 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,439 concern which is haunting his father on the campaign trail. 88 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,319 That story was killed by the editors, and they gave 89 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,240 no explanation for that either. So that general experience, you know, 90 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,839 obviously the public doesn't know about those things. But as 91 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:57,279 a reporter, having witnessed the way in which the two. 92 00:04:57,079 --> 00:04:59,879 Speaker 5: Weeks it gets we're just getting called like the terrible 93 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,079 in stream media. It's like, you don't understand the process there. 94 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: We also don't understand the dumb decision the man cowardly. 95 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 5: Editors, the man above us when we're trying to do 96 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:09,480 our jobs. You know what I mean, we're just looking 97 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:10,000 for scoops. 98 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: Man. 99 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 3: The big bias is toward a good story. 100 00:05:15,959 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: The big bias is towards a good story. I've heard 101 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,879 this before. By the way, that is not always the case, 102 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,800 but not for all reporters hashtag not all reporters. So 103 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,759 a couple things of note Number one, I mean, there 104 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:34,759 were three, essentially three different stories here that they were 105 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:38,240 talking about, all of them related to Hunter Biden, all 106 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,959 of them quashed or slow walked in the story of 107 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,240 the gun charge that Tara Palmery broke. 108 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: Right. 109 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,399 Speaker 2: But what Capito says, or computo, what he says is 110 00:05:52,439 --> 00:05:59,560 that these orders came down from quote on high at 111 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,439 political I don't know how high up that went. I 112 00:06:03,439 --> 00:06:05,439 don't know if it was just his editor, if it 113 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,439 came from people above his editor. But what he claims 114 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:15,120 the message was from quote on high was don't write 115 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:20,040 about the laptop, don't talk about the laptop, don't tweet 116 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:25,439 about the laptop. And I can tell you I have 117 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:30,199 never been told not to do something like this. In 118 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,959 all my years as a reporter and then as a host, 119 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,959 I've never been told don't talk about a particular topic, 120 00:06:37,879 --> 00:06:41,759 except by my wife. No, I'm kidding, but no, she 121 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,439 does not have to tell me. But seriously, like there's 122 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,120 there's never been an instance that I recall of me saying, hey, 123 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:56,279 I've got this crazy breaking story and some manager says, no, 124 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,439 don't talk about it, don't tweet about it, and don't 125 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:00,079 report on it. 126 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: That's scandalous. 127 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: The other piece of information there that he gave was 128 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:14,800 that a rival Democrat campaign against Joe Biden. So think 129 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:20,040 about the timeline here. This would have been twenty nineteen, right, 130 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,199 maybe even earlier, but it was when there were still 131 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:30,279 Democrats that were trying to be the nominee for the 132 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:34,759 Democrat Party to run against Trump in twenty twenty, and 133 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,399 there was another Democrat campaign that had gotten hold of 134 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,879 the tax lean which they then handed off to Politico, 135 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:53,360 and Politico Mark Capito wanted to do the story. So 136 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,079 a couple things of note there, right, number one, This 137 00:07:56,279 --> 00:07:59,879 wasn't a lead that he generated himself, right, this is 138 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,160 OPO research, came from another Democrat number one. And I'm 139 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,560 not knocking him for that. I mean that happens all 140 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,000 the time. They never tell you usually, I should say, 141 00:08:11,079 --> 00:08:14,240 they usually don't tell you in the reporting that they 142 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,360 were tipped off to this by a Democrat OPO research effort. 143 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,519 Speaker 1: They don't ever really tell you that. 144 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: They just they get the original source documents. If they 145 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,600 get the copy of the tax liene, then they can say, oh, well, 146 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:29,800 this is the tax line and they cite that as 147 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:32,480 the source. And I understand why they do that, but 148 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:37,000 it is also of note. Lo these many years later, 149 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,600 when the truth can be told that it came from 150 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:45,759 a Democrat campaign, and what does this tell. 151 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:50,159 Speaker 1: Me They all knew, they knew. 152 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 2: They knew this stuff about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden 153 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,240 because the tax lien. What made it newsworthy. Isn't that 154 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,000 Hunter Biden isn't paying taxes. I mean that is part 155 00:09:02,039 --> 00:09:06,320 of it, but it's specifically during the time period when 156 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:12,399 he is working for Barisma, the Ukrainian energy company, and 157 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,440 because he's making what was it fifty thousand dollars a 158 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,799 month working for them, quote, working for them with all 159 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:23,679 of his expertise, because as Joe Biden would say, he 160 00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:28,519 guys he which means he's the smartest person Joe Biden knows, 161 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,360 which at this point, like that should have been the 162 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:34,200 clear indication that Joe Biden is in cognitive decline. He 163 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,080 doesn't remember anybody other than Hunter Biden, because how could 164 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,000 he be the smartest person, you know. But anyway, the 165 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:44,679 rival Democrat camp knew that this was a problem, that 166 00:09:44,759 --> 00:09:48,200 this indicated corruption of some kind. It's not just oh, 167 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,279 Hunter Biden not paying taxes. No, Hunter Biden not paying 168 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,759 taxes while being paid fifty thousand dollars a month for 169 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:02,120 sitting on a Ukrainian energy company's board despite having no 170 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:11,039 expertise in that field. And once again that story not covered, 171 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,840 Politico not covering that story like that's that really is. 172 00:10:15,879 --> 00:10:18,919 And then of course, after the news is out about 173 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:21,039 all of this stuff, which is rooted in the Hunter 174 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:25,080 Biden laptop, then we find out, you know, about the 175 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,279 Bearizema deal and all of the money flowing through and 176 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,080 all of this, all of this corruption, and even then 177 00:10:31,639 --> 00:10:36,159 Democrats not coming forward and saying oh no, no, yeah, 178 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:41,600 that's yeah, that's probably true. Like the Bearisma stuff. Yeah, 179 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:44,480 they never came forward. They never they never stood forward. 180 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,200 And dare I say, to quote a line from Biden, 181 00:10:47,759 --> 00:10:51,919 they never put country above their party. Here's a great idea. 182 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,799 How about making an escape to a really special and 183 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:58,039 secluded getaway in western North Carolina. Just a quick drive 184 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,879 up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is your connection. 185 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:04,279 Whether you're celebrating an anniversary, a honeymoon, maybe you want 186 00:11:04,279 --> 00:11:06,840 to plan a memorable proposal, or get family and friends 187 00:11:06,879 --> 00:11:09,799 together for a big old reunion, Cabins of Asheville has 188 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,639 the ideal spot for you where you can reconnect with 189 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,879 your loved ones and the things that truly matter. 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Yes, I 207 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:20,360 had a question about reporters, and this is sort of 208 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:23,960 a generic question, but with your experience, I understand about 209 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:28,639 you know, not killing a story, but how much impact, 210 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,480 Like say, if you work for I don't know that 211 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,960 can be political or whatever. Does your job or your 212 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,039 future or your family impact what you do bring to 213 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,200 the table. Is that an issue? 214 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: Sure? 215 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:43,279 Speaker 3: Oh? 216 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 217 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 218 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? 219 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 2: I mean so every day, Like when I was working 220 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,360 at a TV station, every day we were responsible for 221 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:57,519 bringing three to five story ideas to the meeting and 222 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,840 then you know, the everybody would sit around the whole 223 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,639 staff would sit around and decide whether that was something 224 00:13:03,639 --> 00:13:06,720 that was worth pursuing. And so if you've got you know, 225 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,720 three reporters on staff, and you know a couple of 226 00:13:10,759 --> 00:13:14,960 assignment editors or whatever and there or people working on 227 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,600 the assignment desk, and they're bringing ideas and so yeah, 228 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:20,200 you get all of these different story ideas that get 229 00:13:20,279 --> 00:13:22,960 kicked around in that meeting and every like, I don't 230 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,799 know how all of the shops do it, but yeah, 231 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,679 management has the editors have the final call as to 232 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,519 whether or not to pursue something or whether something you've 233 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,000 written actually gets published. 234 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 6: So so a true reporter would be unbiased and bring 235 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:43,559 the story, but the editor would then reflect the bias 236 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:47,840 of the of the radio station or what everybody. 237 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,039 Speaker 2: So every everybody has bias. Everyone has bias. It's a 238 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,720 human condition. So the thing and when it starts with 239 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,600 story selection, because when I, like, when I would show 240 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,360 up and I would have these story ideas, I was 241 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:06,960 bringing different story ideas that I thought were newsworthy, right, 242 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:10,279 And that's a subjective call. I thought a story would 243 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,799 be newsworthy, and somebody sitting right next to me with 244 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:16,120 the same level of experience they may think it does not, 245 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,759 and then we would have a debate about whether or 246 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:23,120 not this was, you know, newsworthy, and if so, when 247 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:28,440 do you devote resources to covering it? How much resources 248 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,799 get devoted to it, that kind of thing. So, yeah, 249 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,080 everybody's got bias, and that's why you want newsrooms that 250 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:39,240 have ideological diversity. You want people coming in with different 251 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:44,000 perspectives on how they answer that question of what is news. 252 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 6: But it sounds like the reporters have very little to 253 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,320 do with the problem that we see when we see 254 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:58,000 bias in the media. No, when it gets above that, no. 255 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: No, no, because again, all different level have different different 256 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:07,559 layers of operations. So at local levels you rarely have 257 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,960 editors at all. Like a lot of uh, you know, 258 00:15:12,039 --> 00:15:14,879 a lot of news organizations at the local levels have 259 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:18,639 been cutting editor positions and that sort of thing. So 260 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,159 a lot of times what a reporter reports just goes 261 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,960 right out. And so no, and again, if I show 262 00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:26,840 up and if you have a staff, for example, if 263 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:28,720 I show up to the news meeting and I've got 264 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,480 three ideas and I'm the only reporter on staff, well 265 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,559 then I'm the only one presenting ideas and I'm directing 266 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:36,240 that coverage. 267 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,799 Speaker 1: Now, the editors aren't right, I'm. 268 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:42,159 Speaker 2: The one giving them the story leads and they've got 269 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:44,399 nobody else to go send to do this, so I'm 270 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,600 my story gets picked. 271 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,759 Speaker 6: So, you know, it seemed like if you didn't have 272 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:53,039 an editor, then that would probably that wouldn't be necessarily 273 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,159 a good thing either that it falls on the editor 274 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,360 a lot, because without an editor then you, you know, 275 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,519 you're sort of not somehow bridled in what you say 276 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,639 or bring to the table. 277 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there, look there, Yeah, there are pros 278 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,600 and cons to all these different models, right, there are 279 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,240 pros and cons. The pro as you just kind of 280 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:18,600 laid out or indicated there, is that with editors you've 281 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:21,559 got more of an opportunity to fact check and to 282 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:25,639 clarify and to try to remove some bias that may 283 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:28,759 be evident in the words that the reporter chooses, that 284 00:16:28,879 --> 00:16:31,679 kind of thing, because that's you know, the biggest areas 285 00:16:31,679 --> 00:16:36,159 of bias in journalism is number one, what stories get covered, 286 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:39,080 and then number two how they are covered and that 287 00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:41,679 and you can look and get a pretty good idea 288 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:45,639 by the words that are chosen in the piece. And 289 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,600 it's most evident if you find adjectives when you find adjectives, 290 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,639 words that describe other things. That's usually where you can 291 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:57,039 detect the bias of the reporter because they are they 292 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,480 are characterizing something based on it or you using an 293 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:02,919 adjective to convey a certain thing. 294 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: And so yeah. 295 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,599 Speaker 2: So in a model where you've got editors, they can 296 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,920 go in there strip that stuff out and they can 297 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,079 make the product better. But on the other hand, they 298 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,680 could actually, as we heard in this story with Politico, 299 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,400 they can they can quash a story that is newsworthy. 300 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,240 But Politico, for whatever reason, did not want that story 301 00:17:21,279 --> 00:17:24,839 about the Hunter Biden laptop to be reported. They did 302 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,319 not want that story to gain traction in the public 303 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,119 eye before the election. So you know, there's by and 304 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,799 here's the other thing too, there's bias also on the 305 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,480 on the reporter's behalf here Mark Capito, because it's only 306 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:42,920 now five years later that he finally comes out and 307 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,079 says this. He could have said this at the time, 308 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,440 but he went along with it, right, So what was 309 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:50,519 his bias? What were his incentives? It was to keep 310 00:17:50,519 --> 00:17:54,039 his job, right, So people make these types of decisions 311 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,960 all the time. All right, Dean, I appreciate the call. 312 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,240 I got to run good to hear from you. 313 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: Happy Monday. 314 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 2: All right, I hope you had a happy holiday season. 315 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,960 But tell me if something like this happened at your house. 316 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:08,880 Your family and friends are gathered around, maybe y'all are 317 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,440 in the living room, You're laughing, swapping stories, reminiscing, and 318 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,279 then somebody says, hey, Dad, remember those old VHS tapes? 319 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,960 Did you ever get them transferred? And then the room 320 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,799 gets all quiet. All eyes are on Dad, who says, oh, 321 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,920 you know, well, I've been meaning to but I just 322 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,920 having gotten around to it. 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So do what I did. 333 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,720 Trust the experts at Creative Video, conveniently located in Mint Hill, 334 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:04,799 Right off I four eighty five and online at create 335 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:10,200 a Video dot com. Ex political reporters reveal editors quashed 336 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:14,960 or slow walked negative Biden stories quote with no explanation, 337 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,160 and they've now decided to tell us. I mean it's 338 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:25,200 been five years. Mark Capito appearing on Somebody's Gotta Win 339 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:32,160 podcast by Tara Palmery, both of whom are former Politico reporters, 340 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,119 and they talked about three different incidents, all related to 341 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,559 Hunter Biden. Two of Capito's stories were quashed by editors, 342 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,319 and one by Palmery was allowed to go to print, 343 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,680 but it took three months to get approvals. And that 344 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,359 was the story about the gun. And this is interesting 345 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:56,039 how Hunter Biden had lied on his application to get 346 00:19:56,079 --> 00:20:02,359 the gun. And she then after they discussed this on 347 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,440 her podcast, Fox News reached out and she talked with 348 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:11,920 him and she said, quote, I certainly had to push 349 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,640 very hard to get that reporting published, Like it was 350 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,160 a constant, Hey, when are we going to do this? 351 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: Hey, when are we going to get this out there? Hey? 352 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: When are we going to do this? Because it was 353 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,039 so difficult, Like it was kind of a known feeling 354 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:29,319 that like it's going to be difficult to report stuff 355 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:33,559 that's really tough on the Biden administration and family. It's 356 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:42,839 just like a culture. The culture at Politico was don't 357 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:48,680 report on the Biden family. And I think she said 358 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,319 when the culture is that a reporter has to push 359 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,920 so hard that it just creates a feeling that there's 360 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,160 not an interest in that type of reporting. And ultimately, 361 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:01,359 you know, we were to be published and to get 362 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,920 our editors to support our work. This last line is 363 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,240 important and it's something you should always keep in mind 364 00:21:08,279 --> 00:21:14,039 about reporters, talk show hosts, writers of any kind. Is 365 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:20,519 that the reason why reporters report is they want people 366 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:26,480 to read them. They they want people to read the 367 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,000 words they have written. I want people to hear the 368 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,480 things I am saying. Otherwise I would just, you know, 369 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,519 talk to myself in the shower. I mean I do already, 370 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:38,200 but like that would suffice for me. But it's weird, 371 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,759 and Christy has been asking questions. But this way, I can, 372 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,880 you know, get paid, and then I have a cover 373 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,880 story for why I just talk. So there's a reason 374 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,519 why people write this stuff, and it is because they 375 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,559 want to be published. They would prefer more people read 376 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:01,039 what they are writing than fewer. So that's their incentive, 377 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,319 So always keep that in mind. Their incentive is to 378 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,359 have people read what they write. And if you are 379 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,319 working at Politico and you get a really big story 380 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,480 about how Hunter Biden lied on his form, his federal 381 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:20,039 form to purchase a firearm and then threw the gun 382 00:22:20,079 --> 00:22:23,319 into the dumpster and like that whole thing, that was palmery. 383 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,079 She got that story, and it took three months for 384 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,160 Politico to clear it. She said she first obtained the 385 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,839 police report shortly after Biden's inauguration. So this is late 386 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,160 January twenty twenty one, so four years ago, but her 387 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,599 story wasn't published until late March, three months later. 388 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:44,839 Speaker 1: Quote. 389 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,559 Speaker 2: I just think if it was a Trump kid, it 390 00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:50,720 would have been published much sooner, she said. I just 391 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:55,839 had to work really hard to like, you're like, hey, 392 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,000 what's going on with the story? Hey, what's going on 393 00:22:58,079 --> 00:22:59,920 with the story? Like, what's going on with the story? 394 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,799 So she's describing here in her way, I guess she's 395 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,880 badgering her editors. I wrote the story, it's all checked out, 396 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,680 it's solid reporting. Why are you taking so long to 397 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,240 publish it? And you heard in that clip that I 398 00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:22,039 played she was bragging that it was her story that 399 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:25,319 got the federal charges rolling against Hunter Biden in the 400 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:31,839 first place. That's the power of the media, right, She said. 401 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,480 We gave the White House a lot of time to respond, 402 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,079 like a week or so, and I don't know if 403 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,160 that would have been the case for a Trump story. Okay, well, 404 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:41,400 let me just tell you that would not be the 405 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,000 case for Trump. Okay, you're not getting a week to respond. 406 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,359 The former Politico journalist went on to cite the honeymoon 407 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,160 phase of the Biden administration as being a factor behind 408 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,519 the slowed pace of her story. 409 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,759 Speaker 1: She said, quote, I. 410 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,599 Speaker 2: Think a lot of people there, including reporters, wanted to 411 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,880 get on the good side of the new administration. This 412 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,960 is another important incentive if you are covering the White House, 413 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,200 or you have a news operation that has somebody if 414 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,359 you're not the White House correspondent, but you've got a 415 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,720 colleague who is you both work for Politico. I ran 416 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:21,039 into this all the time. This is a constant thing 417 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,240 here at WBT. When I was a reporter, I would 418 00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:29,799 have potential interview subjects that would refuse to do interviews 419 00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:34,359 with me as a reporter because of things the hosts 420 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,920 would say, and now, in the position I am in, 421 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:40,359 I am sure that some of the things I say 422 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,880 probably make it more difficult for reporters to get interviews 423 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:51,920 with people that I criticize. Okay, drag Okay, all right, Okay, fine, 424 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,839 I dragged them. Okay, Still like I get that. I 425 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,599 get that. So when a new administration comes in and 426 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,319 you've got this quote honeymoon phase and Politico is trying 427 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:12,279 to what play nice, suck up, that's what they're doing, right, 428 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,880 I'll do these I'll do these glamour pieces on caringe 429 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:25,920 Jean Pierre as the first lesbian female spokesperson from a 430 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,400 Caribbean country, or something like that. Like, I'll do those 431 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,359 stories in order to get access to do other stories 432 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,000 or get comments like I'm a friendly It's okay. Reporters 433 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:41,160 are always walking this line, right, They're always walking this line, 434 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,960 and some of them get corrupted very easily, very quickly, 435 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,000 because they don't recognize what the higher principle is. Right. 436 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,079 You may be ingratiating yourself and pretending to be friends 437 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:55,680 with people and all of that, but as in the 438 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:02,359 documentary Almost Famous, you are the enemy. She says, I 439 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,720 could understand the reluctance to put a piece out like 440 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:08,839 that within the first few months, but she also suggested 441 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,319 her bosses would not run the story unless she was 442 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,160 able to link it to a federal agency. She said 443 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,200 it had to be about the fact that the Secret 444 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,599 Service was involved. I just think the fact that you know, 445 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,319 the president's son is getting in a domestic dispute that 446 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,200 involves a gun being thrown into a dumpster next to 447 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,359 a school is pretty shocking, and the police had to 448 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,000 be involved. I think the editors preferred the Secret Service 449 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:38,599 angle because it increased the gravity of the situation, the 450 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,640 fact that the Secret Service may have been improperly used 451 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:44,079 to cover up what could have been a crime if 452 00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,000 the gun was found and used by somebody else, The 453 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,720 blanket fact that he lied on the gun form, which 454 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:53,279 I had, She said, I had that I had the 455 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,079 gun form, and I pointed out that. 456 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: He lied on it. 457 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:59,319 Speaker 2: But in the piece we downplayed it and said although 458 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,000 many people lie on gun forms and are not prosecuted 459 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,400 for it, which is true, she says, but it's not 460 00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:07,880 like the headline was, you know, hunter Biden lies on 461 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,480 gun form. That's a felony. That was not the headline, 462 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,519 even though she said, I had the gun form in 463 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:15,279 which he lied. 464 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 6: Right. 465 00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:21,319 Speaker 2: So Politico directs the focus, They write the narrative to 466 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:30,200 soft pedal the gravity of the actual story because there 467 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,319 was no evidence at that point of like what the 468 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,680 Secret Service had done. We knew they got involved, but 469 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,960 to what extent we didn't know. But the thing that 470 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,359 you did know was Hunter Biden lied on that form. 471 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,000 You did know that you had a police report, you 472 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,319 had the form, right, you had his book dead to 473 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,440 right all. You had the whole story buttoned up or 474 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,200 buttoned down, whichever way you prefer. 475 00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: But Politico, well, let's make it about this other thing. 476 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: And I get it, that's a part of the story too, 477 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,119 But is that the excuse they used to slow walk 478 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,640 the story in the hopes of maybe killing it or 479 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,160 getting past the initial honeymoon phase of the Biden administration. 480 00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:12,559 Speaker 1: All right, if you're. 481 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: Listening to this show, you know I try to keep 482 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:16,000 up with all sorts of current events, and I know 483 00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:18,480 you do too, And you've probably heard me say get 484 00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:22,480 your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's how 485 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,079 you detect media bias, which is why I've been so 486 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,799 impressed with ground news. It's an app, and it's a 487 00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:31,680 website and it combines news from around the world in 488 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,039 one place, so you can compare coverage and verify information. 489 00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:38,599 You can check it out at check dot ground dot 490 00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,759 news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast 491 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,799 description too. I started using ground News a few months 492 00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:47,440 ago and more recently chose to work with them as 493 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,640 an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories 494 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,920 get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows 495 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,799 you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. 496 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,680 See for yourself check dot ground dot com news slash pete. 497 00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:04,440 Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen percent off 498 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,720 any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited 499 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,039 access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps 500 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:13,880 my podcast, but it also supports ground News as they 501 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,359 make the media landscape more transparent. All right, let's head 502 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,680 over and talk with John. Hello, John, Welcome to the show. 503 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,799 Speaker 4: Hey Pete, Hey, let's show sir. Well, this has kind 504 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:28,039 of been a long running battle, you know. I remember 505 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,799 back had to be in the late seventies, early eighties. 506 00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:37,079 It was pre Fox, pre all the conservative stuff. There 507 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,119 was a book written called Spiked, and it was a 508 00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,680 couple of reporters had written a book about how their 509 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:48,559 editors would spike their stories that were not didn't fit 510 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,799 that narrative that they wanted. And there was a group 511 00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:55,960 of investors, I think Jesse Helms was involved with that, 512 00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:00,200 to try to buy CBS to get some of that 513 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,599 information out, you know, because that then there was only 514 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,720 three networks and PPS, so there really was a whole 515 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,480 lot out there as far as the over the air news. 516 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:13,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. 517 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: But you know, well look yeah, look at how remember 518 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:22,839 Matt Drudge his his Yeah, he was launched to stardom 519 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,960 because he covered the story about Monica Lewinsky. When was 520 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,720 it the Washington Post refused yep, Yeah, And the Washington 521 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,839 Post refused to run the story, and somebody handed it 522 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,920 off to Drudge, and Drudge put it up on his website, 523 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,079 which at that point people were like, what's a website, 524 00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,039 you know, And so he published that thing onto his 525 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:51,119 website and boom, you know, launched into stardom. 526 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,599 Speaker 4: Correct. That's another good example. That's why conservatism libertarians are 527 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,720 kind of very real, kicky and choosy about who they 528 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,119 listen to and you know, where they go to get 529 00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:05,359 their information. Yeah, and and of course the internet's kind 530 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:08,240 of you know, flipped everything upside down, and you know, 531 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,839 you can go on an app like say Pluto and 532 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,400 there's probably six or seven conservative news sits on there 533 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,759 that you could watch too. I mean, there's there's a 534 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:20,039 lot of information out there now that wasn't there back 535 00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,480 in the late seventies and early eighties, and that's why 536 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,359 they were trying to get money to give it to 537 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,440 buy CBS to kind of get that information out. 538 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:28,799 Speaker 6: Yeah. 539 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,279 Speaker 4: Like I said, I think Jesse Helms was involved with 540 00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:33,359 that group, but that kind of fell through. 541 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,319 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not aware. It wouldn't surprise me. 542 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,319 Speaker 2: He came out of a he came out of television, 543 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:39,759 so that wouldn't surprise me at all. 544 00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:41,799 Speaker 1: And he was a calist too. Yeah. 545 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, he was a media guy. Yeah, that's right. 546 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,279 He was a media guy and a great senator too. 547 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,200 I wish he was still with us, but he's not. 548 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true, he is not. John. I appreciate 549 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,960 the call, sir, Thank you. 550 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:54,759 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you. 551 00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, take it easy. 552 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: So look, pros and cons to the old model at 553 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,480 the time, right there, you know, three major networks, handful 554 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,880 of major newspapers, and they would all cover the same thing. 555 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,400 Limbaugh talked about this all the time. He talked about 556 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,640 how you know, when it came to like the fairness doctrine, 557 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,799 Limbaugh would famously say, I am equal time, and that's 558 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,559 a reference to this very thing. Now, there is a 559 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,440 benefit to that in that it limits, you know, fake information, 560 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,680 like legitimately false information. It will limit some of the 561 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,920 stuff that is demonstrably false. Nowadays, you've got websites that 562 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,680 will promote really any kind of information you're looking for. 563 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:43,519 And then you know, you're also faced with this limitless 564 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,920 menu of media outlets to read and to try to 565 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,599 discern what is and is not true. And when you 566 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,599 have an entire nation that is getting sort of the 567 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,759 same talking points and the same stories, it does create 568 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,400 a cohesion. There's no out that there are quote some 569 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,079 benefits to that kind of model. Now, there are a 570 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:08,319 lot of downsides though, and that's the trade off. As 571 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440 Thomas Soule says, right, no solutions, only trade offs, in 572 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,119 that if the narrative that is being shared by the 573 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,480 entire society is itself not true, or is masking some 574 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:24,519 greater scandal or protecting some corrupt people or whatever, then everybody. 575 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,599 Speaker 1: Is under that same delusion. Right. 576 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: So, look, all of these news organizations are the same 577 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,680 at their core as social media and the Internet, which 578 00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:37,319 is they are all news aggregation. 579 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,519 Speaker 1: In the world. 580 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,559 Speaker 2: There are limitless stories, and you are relying on a 581 00:33:45,559 --> 00:33:50,519 particular publication to go out find a handful of them 582 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,799 in this vast universe of stories that could be reported, 583 00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:57,359 and you are reading a particular site or newspaper. 584 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,039 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, nobody does that anymore. 585 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 2: But you're reading a site, you're watching a program or whatever, 586 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:09,639 and you're trusting that they're pulling stories content that matters, 587 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,159 and they're doing it in an objective or as close 588 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,599 to an objective way as. 589 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: Fair away as they can. 590 00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 2: And now with the tools that we have available, we 591 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:25,400 can be our own aggregators. The problem is deciphering what 592 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,239 is and isn't true that's getting into your feeds. This 593 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,800 is why I have said for fifteen years, get your 594 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,159 news from multiple sources. You have to be able to 595 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,000 see where the stories come from, how they get covered, 596 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,760 different angles to the story that aren't covered in one 597 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,559 particular publication versus another. Because the bias that we know 598 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:57,440 exists at CBS, NBCMSM, all those biases exist in every outlet. 599 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:05,039 They're just different biases, that's all. So back to this story. 600 00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,239 This is from Fox News, by the way, and this 601 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,400 is an interview with Tara Palmery, and she said that 602 00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,880 Politico felt like it would be worthy of being published 603 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:18,119 the story about Hunter Biden buying the gun, lying on 604 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:21,079 the form. It had to rise to that occasion that 605 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,679 a federal department was involved and they misused power. Basically 606 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,280 like the crime itself was not important, was not worthy 607 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,320 of just running that story on that alone, She says, 608 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,760 in fairness, they wanted to make sure the story was 609 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,880 buttoned up, but they also felt like it needed to 610 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,360 be elevated beyond the crime, the obvious crime which we 611 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,880 had from the form. We had to nail down that 612 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,599 element of the secret service part and that took more time. Now, 613 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:48,280 a spokesperson for Politico had released a statement pushing back 614 00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:54,039 on Palmary's comments and Mark Kapito's comments by touting how 615 00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:57,760 its journalists quote led the way on wide ranging reporting 616 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,079 on the business dealings of Joe Biden's closest relatives but 617 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,679 not Joe Biden, as well as its verification of the 618 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,920 Hunter Biden laptop after it didn't matter, and suggesting the 619 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,239 former staffers have a case of false memory is what 620 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,599 the that to politicos maligning their two former reporters. They 621 00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:23,519 have false memories. The spokesperson called their claims quote bullpoop, 622 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,400 but he didn't say poop or she. 623 00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:28,639 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a hear g our. 624 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 2: Editors uphold rigorous standards, ensuring every story is thoroughly vetted 625 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,559 and buttoned up before publishing. This approach reflects our unwavering 626 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:41,559 commitment to accuracy and accountability, principles that have guided us 627 00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,440 and will continue to do so. Right, but then, why 628 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,119 didn't you do the Hunter Biden story? 629 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 3: No? 630 00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,559 Speaker 2: In fact, what Capito what he was responding to, is 631 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:53,960 he said that they did. The first story that Politico 632 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,519 did do was on the letter from the fifty one 633 00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:03,360 intelligence officials that said the material from the Hunter Biden 634 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,599 laptop had quote all the ear marks of a Russian 635 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,400 intelligence operation. That's the first time. That's how they covered 636 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,760 the story. That's what Politico did. Remember, NPR famously did 637 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,760 that editor's note when they said, you know, we tell 638 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,000 our audience things that matter basically, and we're not going 639 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:27,440 to waste your time with this false disinformation from Russia, Russia, Russia, 640 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,280 and it wasn't true. And by the way, the intelligence 641 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,519 agencies knew it wasn't true, or they, you know, the well, 642 00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:38,079 the fifty one people who signed that letter, they they 643 00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:40,280 knew that the Hunter Biden laptop was real. 644 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:41,119 Speaker 1: They had it. 645 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,679 Speaker 2: They had already confirmed its authenticity. They knew this, but 646 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,320 Politico just, I guess, couldn't confirm it. That's what I'm 647 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,519 to believe. I guess right. They just couldn't get that 648 00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:51,440 part buttoned up. 649 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,159 Speaker 1: Now. 650 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 2: Fox News contributed Joe Kancha compared reporters speaking out about 651 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,000 the Hunter Biden laptop scandal to those who waited to 652 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,679 address the former press sid It's mental decline, as well 653 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,400 as the legitimacy of the COVID lab leak theory. Ooh, 654 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:07,480 some news on that too. It completes what has become 655 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:08,840 a trend. 656 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: In the media. 657 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 2: He says, Yeah, only after the fact, can it be told. 658 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,960 We got the New York Times last week or I 659 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,000 guess now two weeks ago, finally confirming that which we 660 00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,119 all saw with our own eyes about Joe Biden's mental infirmity. 661 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,159 But now it can be told and the lab leak theory. 662 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:31,679 Now it can be told. We'll get to that in 663 00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,320 the next now, all right, that'll do it for this episode. 664 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,679 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. 665 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 2: I could not do the show without your support and 666 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,679 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 667 00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:43,119 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 668 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:44,880 them you heard it here. You can also become a 669 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,559 patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecallanershow dot com. Again, 670 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,360 thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything 671 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,360 while I'm gone.