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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host. DJ leaves all right,

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we get ready for a weekend and has a heavyweight

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main event in London that has an interesting junior middleweight

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main event in California on Sorry, I had a couple

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of contenda fights that we're gonna go over. We've got news,

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we've got some nostalgia, and we've got the cheery disposition

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of one Dan Rayfield. I am merely the somewhat capable

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host TJ Reeves. It is the Big Fight Weekend preview. Hello,

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Big Dan of the Fight Freation Night, substack and newsletter.

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Good to be back with you, my friend, as we

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rock along here with plenty to go over besides the previews,

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whether it be protests of the Navarate technical decision, whether

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it be looks like Xander Zaiez is gonna fight Jorge Garcia.

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We're gonna tell you about all that here in a

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little bit. Thank you for finding us. We do come

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your way previewing going into the weekend Thursday night into Friday,

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we do our best or recap as well coming off

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the weekend Sunday night into Monday. That I say this

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now rendering the summer months because it's a little bit

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of a relaxation vacation time at least on my timeline,

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not so much you. But you know your little one's

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going to be out of school, not so little one,

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your young man's going to be out of school. My

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twins out of school. So we will do our best

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to try to come your way twice a weekend, but

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some of the time it might only be once a weekend.

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You savages will survive most of the time. We are

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here doing both, So thank you for finding us and

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here on the podfeed, make sure you follow, subscribe, rate us,

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review us. All of that helps. Also find the YouTube page.

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When we're talking nostalgia and other unique content, go find

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subscribing there. Frequently, Dan, people tell us how much they

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enjoy what we're doing. Right, you get that feedback. I

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get that feedback. Help us out, follow and subscribe on

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light button on the YouTube page because those will help

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us as we rock along. I do get occasional feedback

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from people saying you've got too many ads in the

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podcast blah, blah blah, savages, let me help you with

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something as much as is as much as Rayphiel and

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I enjoy banter back and forth, we don't have to

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do this for our own edification and our own benefit

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twice a weekend. There is a financial motivation for part

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of this as well, and that financial motivation is acted

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upon by advertising with what we're doing. I know it

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would be more seamless for some of you if we

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never had an ad, but then you wouldn't have any

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more Dan and TJ. So which do you want? Do

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you want Dan and TJ who are trying to make

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you know enough? That's correct? But would you rather have

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some Dan and TJ and we make enough to you know,

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get a happy meal? Or would you rather just think

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about what Dan and TJ might have to say about this?

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And and by the way, there are several of you

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that have sounded off about you and me in the

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back and forth. So the first thing that you guys

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need to understand is we get along great even though

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we disagree. The second thing is none of this is contrived,

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all right, none of this is rehearsed. D If you

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take this opinion, I'm gonna come at you with it.

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We don't do any of that crap, right, verify that

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we do not contrive this. This ain't the WWE.

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Speaker 2: We do the US show. I don't even know what

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your picks are, so like literally, you know my picks

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as I send them to you. Correct And I never

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know your picks until literally like a few minutes read

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the show starts when I see the graphic.

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Speaker 1: And then you're ready to ridicule me everybody exactly. But

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the back and forth that you're hearing is, as we

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say in the South, genuine. It is genuine, and so

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that's who we are, all right, So let's get to

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it with the previews and then news and a little

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bit more here on the podcast. It is not a

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stellar World Championship weekend. But that doesn't mean because ray

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Ffiels always big on the heavyweights, that doesn't mean that

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we have is you were all. Don't say it's not

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true you're always big on the heavyweights. You're always big

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when there's heavyweight action to be interested.

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Speaker 2: I am not a big heavyweightight fan in general. If

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there's a big heavyweight fight shirt, but in general terms,

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heavyweight are you did you get? Like?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you and I love Soap, the show from

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the late seventies, the ABC comedy and Richard Mulligan, the

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famous character I can't even remember, the character named Burt.

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Burt got alien replaced? Did you get aliens? I replaced

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in the last five minutes, because we've done this for

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three years and by the way, we didn't rehearse this

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and we're already going at it and we haven't even

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know where you're What I am saying to you is

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there has to have been ten previous times when you

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said to me, oh, I'm looking forward to a good

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old fashioned heavyweight sl knocker, or oh, you never know,

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you never know what to expect with the heavyweights, and

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you say, oh, the heavyweight division is just something special.

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is the alien replaced? Rayfield sitting with me now that you're.

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Speaker 2: Just about to find the audio or the video where

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I said it was special. I liked a good heavyweight fight,

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but if you, if I had my preference, I probably

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would opt for other weight classes. To be quite honest

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with you, I mean, unless it's the highest level. If

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we're talking about you know, Fury and who sinking, you

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know those types of huge fights. But yeah, you know whatever.

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Speaker 1: So nonetheless, the upcoming Matchroom Disown main event is Saturday

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night UK time, Saturday afternoon US time. It is Johnny

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Fisher and Dave Allen in a rematch, a scheduled ten rounder.

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So we need to clarify on that. A lot of

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the main events now, even if they're not for a

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world title or twelve rounders. A scheduled ten rounder. So

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tee it up for the audience in the preview mode

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about the rematch and what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're having a rematch because David Allen was a

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huge underdog and Johnny Fisher, who a lot of people

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in England, and Eddie Hearn if you listen to him,

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think he was the next big thing in heavyweight boxing.

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number two. He draws a great crowd, he's got a

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tremendous fan following. I mean, if you think about what

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he had done, like it wasn't that long ago, as

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in February of last year he fought on a card

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in Las Vegast when Eddie brought Connor Ben over here.

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He was fighting a complete nobody. Early on the show

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in a small ballroom in a casino in Vegas, and

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he traveled hundreds of people, it seemed like, from the

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UK for that kind of fight. So he's a draw,

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he's an economic force and they were building him slowly

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but surely, and they stepped them up in a major

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way against Dave Allen, who was, you know, a fun fighter.

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Everybody in the UK love is the guy. He's fought

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a lot of top names. You know, it was usually

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one when he stepped up. He does have seven losses,

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taking some brutal knockouts, but you know, still was considered

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a litmus test for Johnny Fisher. And the reason why

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the rematches happened is because they went the distance in

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a fight that most people thought that David Allen won

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and that Johnny Fisher got a gift. And on top

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of that, David Allen scored a knockdown in round number

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five and had Johnny Fisher ready to go, and he

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was very lucky to escape with a split decision victor

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in that fight. I mean the judges had it ninety

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five to ninety four, two score cards in favor of

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Johnny Fisher. One judge had it ninety six to ninety

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three in favor of David Allen. He is lucky as

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hell and it was really no other thing they could

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really do to put Johnny Fisher in front of the

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paying public again unless he cleaned up the mess. Now,

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the fight that they had the first time around took

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place back in December. That was on the undercard when

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Tyson Fury and Alexander Rusak had their rematch in Saudi Arabia.

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This time they're doing it in the Copper Box in London,

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so they'll be obviously a bigger crowd. You know, Johnny

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do they call him, the Romford Bull? I guess Romford's

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like an area of London where he is from, so

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it's his hometown. You know. David Allen is also from England,

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but not from literally in London. So Johnny Fisher will

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be the huge crowd favorite. I'm sure he sold a

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ton of tickets for this fight, and you know, at

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the end of the day, what they probably will do.

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Whether you're a Johnny Fisher fan, a Dave Allen fan,

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you don't give a shit whatever, or you do like

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seeing heavyweights, they're probably going to put on a rumble,

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But the reality is Johnny Fisher if he really wants

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to be taken seriously as even a potential future heavyweight contender,

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and he got to win this fight and do it impressively.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, do you believe I know what you

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just said there? Do you believe this is just much

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more hype for him? You haven't seen it yet to

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this point. You really have to see it not only

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on Saturday, but you got to see it against somebody

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even more legitimate than Dave Allen, who's who was retired

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not long ago as well and is now back out

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of that retirement. From a Fisher standpoint, you got to

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see much more than even Saturday, right, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Just want to see an improvement. You want to see

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him understand what happened in the first fight in December

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and make sure he when he If he's able to win,

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there's no controversy. I'm not even saying he doesn't have

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to get a knockout. I've never been a big believer

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in Well, if he doesn't get a knockout, you know,

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you know, he must be nothing. There's plenty of guys

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that go through their careers and are not necessarily big

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knockout punchers. The main thing is you want to see

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improvement and you want to see him score a win

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where there's not controversy. If you're a supporter of his,

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you know, and if Dave Allen that happens to win

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the fight this time and they actually give him the decision,

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you know, it's going to call it the question the

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future of where Johnny Fisher is gonna go. I'm not

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gonna say the guy's got to retire or anything like that.

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I'm just saying it will give you a very good

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insight that he's probably not going to the top. He's

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only twenty six years old, so it's not like he's

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an old guy. But for a Dave Allen like, getting

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the fight last time was a gift for him in

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terms of just the payday, the opportunity and then performing

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the way he did was obviously big for him with

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the you know, the loss certainly didn't hurt his reputation

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or people's interest in his career. You know, once he

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got six seven losses, another loss not gonna do much

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and didn't get knocked out, but he's lost when he

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stepped up. I mean just as an example, he had

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won two fights in a row, but they were like

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four round fights. The last time he fought like a

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known guy quote unquote, when Fraser Clark, who was the

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Olympic medalist, who was a younger fighter, a younger in

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terms of his experience, he's older in terms of his age.

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He was only seven to oh and Fraser Clark took

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him out in six rounds. And then obviously Fraser Clark,

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you know, had his own problems when he fought against

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more well known guys than just absolutely you know, got

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obliterated in the fight with Fabio Wardley. In the second fight,

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he did really well in the first fight. They got

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to draw. But I'm making the point though, that David

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Allen has fought a much higher level of opponent than

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Johnny Fisher has, and so this was considered a huge

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step up for him because he had fought absolutely nobody

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in his first you know, a bunch of fights, and

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when he did stake a step up, a modest step up,

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I might add, he kind of flamed out. He didn't

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you know, you know, yeah, I guess he got the

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official decision, but a lot of people thought he'd lost.

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He got knocked down, he got beat up, and it

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was a bad night at the office, even though he

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got to win. So the object of this fight, besides

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of course what he'll do I'm sure entertaining the fans,

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is to go out there and you know what, sweep

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this mess up show that you know, he might have

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just had a bad night back in the December, you

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know that I can still make a name for myself

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do something in this heavyweight division, and that starts with

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taking care of a fighter of the level of a

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Dave Ballen. It's not disrespect because Dave Allen's an honest

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fighter and he's come, you know, to do a great

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effort every time I've ever seen him. But he's not

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the most skillful or talented guy out there. And so

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now Johnny Fish shirt's on him, baby, see what he

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can do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So again, that's Saturday afternoon US time primetime in

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the UK on his own for the Matchroom show later

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on in the night. Again, there's not a world championship

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fight that we have of relevance, but we do have

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a relevant junior middleweight contender fight, and that is Sir

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correct here not a twelve round main event. But interesting

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here that we know Boachuk from the fight with Virgil

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Orties that took place back last August, the Hotly Contestify,

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Am I not the correct that you were there for

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that one? Maybe I was not there for that you

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were not there, but nonetheless a tremendous battle that ended

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up being a majority draw as it turns out with Ortiz.

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So now he's fighting Michael Fox in this main event.

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This is the Tom Loffler three sixty Promotions card on

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UFC Fight Pass, so we give him props here for

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this main event. So tell me more about the California

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main event. The junior middleweights here in action.

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Speaker 2: Well, Tom Laffert, you know, does these cards on a

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regular basis. He has a deal with the UFC Fight

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Pass to put on his events every few months, and

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he's been doing a good job building up some of

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the fighters that he works with and putting on competitive

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fights on top of that. And for Boachuk, they didn't

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have a spot for him on one of the bigger

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shows at the moment, but he just can't leave the

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guy in the shelf. So Thomas fulfilling his promotional obligation

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to bring him back. As I mentioned about the first

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fight we talked about with Johnny Fisher and David Allen

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when they fought the first time, it was on the

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undercard of Usik and Theory number two and Sady Heavy

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back in December. Bochuk has been out of the ring since.

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He also fought on that undercard back in December. So

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they're back. They're the heavyweights in Bowchuck are on the

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same schedule, so to speak. But he did fight on

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that undercard. Remember in that card, he was originally supposed

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to fight Israel Madromov, which a lot of people were

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very excited about, and then Najamov got supposedly the chest

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infectioner bronchitis or what have you, and he pulled out

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and he ended up going into a different fight that

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was later on, So he ended up fighting on that card.

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They filled They filled in with Ishmael Davis for Boachuk.

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They still allowed it to be a WBC Final Junior

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middle with eliminator. So Boachuk won that fight and he

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did so in dominating fashion, and so he's sitting there

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as the mandatory in the WBC for the Junior Middleway title,

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which currently is held by Sebastian Fondora, although Fondora is

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gonna fight the rematch with Tim Zufers So in Bochuck,

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I don't believe the mandatory is quite due yet anyway,

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but nonetheless, in that fight back in December, it was

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Bochuk you know, basically beat up on Ishmael Davison. You know,

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he retired on his stool after round number six. He

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was really you know, taking it to him, and so

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now he's just trying to get back on the groove.

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You know, you can't sit around and just wait for

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the title shot. You gotta stay busy. It's the worst

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thing in the world as the inactive. We've seen that

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happen with so many fighters where they take a long layoff,

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they come back and they just don't look as good

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as they should because they've got talent, but at atrophies

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if you just don't fight. So they're not going to

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do that with Boachuk. So he's back in action in

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this main event on this card against Michael Fox, a

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credible veteran, not a world beater. He's twenty four and

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four never been stopped though. So Michael Fox is known

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for having you know, a pretty good chin. Obviously he'd

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never been stopping before and Bochuck, you know it was

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a very hard puncher. He's got twenty fi four knockouts

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and twenty five wins. So you know, what's the old saying.

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You know what's gonna happen when the when the rubber

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hits the road? You know the uh, you know we're

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gonna We're gonna see is Botchuck what kind of power

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he really has? If Michael Fox can take the heat.

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Fox is a south baff For what that's worth. He's

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won two low level fights in row, just uh, you know,

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six to eight round fights against you know one it is.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting that he was fighting a twelve round

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main event for for the secondary w b A title.

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What at welterweight back in twenty twenty one, he's now

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been at uh junior middleweight? What the last two fights?

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Am I correct? Or at least the last.

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Speaker 2: Say the last No, No, he's been a well he's

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a welterweight. I mean he fought he fought slightly over

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the weight in the last fight.

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Speaker 1: But the fight was a six round fight. What do

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we make of that? We won a six round decision.

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Speaker 2: Do what as I was saying before you interrupted me,

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is that the opponent that he was fighting in his

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last two fights, one guy in the last fight, which

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was in November, was three wins, five losses and two draws. Now,

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Michael Fox is from uh the DC, Maryland area, and

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there's a regular club show that takes place at the

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Maryland Life Casino and Hanover, Maryland, and so he fought

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on that card against a guy who was three five

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and two. That was a matter of stay busy in

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my local area, bringing a few ticket buyers. He won

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the six round decision. Before that, you know, he had

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fought in July, he fought another guy that was eighteen

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and twelve with two draws, one a decision there. But

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those were like the easy fights quote unquote, because before

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that he fought Edges Kavalawskis, who was a world class fighter,

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a former two time Olympian who fought Terren s Croft

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for the welterweight title. Actually just fought last weekend in

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in Africa and a WBC eliminator and lost that fight,

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but scored two knockdowns against the SOCO. In that fight.

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Fought Gabriel my Estra, who fought the upset minded Luke

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Santa Maria, who's pulled a bunch of upsets and lost

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three fights in a row, all by decision, two to

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ten rounders and a twelve rounder. So now he's back

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in a real fight. You know, he should be the

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big underdog against Boltchuk. But like I said to me,

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the biggest interesting thing about the fight not only to

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see how Botschuk looks after, you know, coming back from

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that last victor in December, but can he score be

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the first man to ever score a knockout against Michael Fox?

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I mean, if you're ever gonna do it a guy

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that's got twenty four knockouts and twenty five wins against

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a guy that's got four losses but never been stopped.

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That you know, if I can find one intriguing thing

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about this weekend of fights, that might be it, because

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that is sort of the thing I am most interested in.

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And if if Bochuk wins, he maintains his position as

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the WBC's mandatory challenger in that weight less and obviously

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if Fox wins, it's a tremendous upset. He won't assume

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that role necessarily as the mandatory, but it would be

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a huge feather in his cap and so you know,

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on a otherwise very very low profile weekend, Let's say

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at least the two fights we're talking about, they are

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interesting in some capacity. The heavyweight should be fun. Fisher is,

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in my opinion, not to be too dramatic his career

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as a perceived potential contenders on the line, and Botchuk

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obviously is risking his position against a capable but not

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great fighter.

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Speaker 1: And Fox is a crafty South paond at least he's

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fought a couple of fights. And since you love to

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have fun with me, I love the two minute giatribe

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that didn't explain why he was off for eighteen months

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from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty four. Was that

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new injury? Why Fox Fox didn't fight a fight for

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eighteen months from twenty twenty two into the middle of

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twenty twenty four. Was that an injury?

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Speaker 2: Well, I know a lot about boxing, let's go I

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don't know the schedules and the intimate details of why

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a journeying ish fighter has been off eighteen months. Could

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have been an injury, could have been a promotional thing.

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But he did come back after that. Maybe he just

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was pissed off about losing the Kavalawskas the way he did.

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He lost every single round and got knocked down two times.

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He did come back, like I said, he got the

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two you know, softer type wins and now he's taking

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another step up. So it is what it is. By

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the way, he didn't ask me that question anyway.

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Speaker 1: No, but usually you answer questions before I asked him.

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Sometimes clarify on the UFC fight Pass, because I'm not

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completely familiar with that. Is it a subtle price to

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pay if you just want to watch this fight and

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you're not already subscribed? How do they work that with

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the UFC much.

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Speaker 2: It's like having ESPN Plus or Disown or any of

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the streaming services. You pay a monthly subscription price, or

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you know, I guess you can buy it for an

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annual fee. And they have lots of UFC programming. But

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they do have you know, they do have this deal

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with Tom Loffler where they put Tom probably puts on

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i't know, maybe I don't know, six or eight shows

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a year and that's part of that package. So if

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you've heard of like we've discussed, I think the junior

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middleweight prospect Callum Walls, Schmierland, who trains with Freddie Roach,

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who's gained some popularity, who's done cards in the Madison

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Square Garden Theater on Saint Patrick's Day, and that sort

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of thing. Like he's a guy that's built his whole

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career on UFC fight Pass. My problem, and I don't

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have a problem with UFC Fight Pass. To me, the

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more the merrier in terms of there's a platform that

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will pay a license fee to put on boxing events,

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and the UFC fight Pass people, you know, they pay

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tom you know, a small fee, but enough to do

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these types of shows. The problem is, if you're a

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box I don't know anybody that's gonna buy UFC fight

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Pass just to see just for that fight, right, just

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for those shows, you know. And yes, of course there

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are some UFC fans who also like boxing, so it's

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maybe a nice diversion. I just feel like, you know,

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if you want boxing fans to see your product, it's

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got to be done in front of boxing fans. So

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they put on a nice show. That's fine, but the vast,

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vast majority of boxing fans don't ever see it. They

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might see a clip on social media or YouTube, but

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very rarely do they see those fights. I don't subscribe

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to US. I see UFC Fight Pass because I'm just

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not going to pay for a service so I can

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watch a club boxing show, you know, once every once

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in a while, Right, it's not worth it for me.

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Speaker 1: All right? That leads us thin to the news. And

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wait a minute, Big Dan did Turkey Ala Sheik not

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say in the ring on the Saturday of Cinco de

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Mayo weekend September twelve, Canello Crawford in the stadium those

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were his words. In the stadium in Las Vegas, meaning

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Allegiance Stadium, all thought. But now, wait a minute, what's

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going on here? Where it may not be on the

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Friday night and supposedly according to the reporting from a

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ring magazine, it may not even be in Las Vegas,

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if that's to be believed. Well, what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna use when you say the phrase reporting from

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ring magazine? Yeah, rocket respect. Anything that is quote unquote

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reporting from ring magazine as it relates to a Turkey

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event is not real reporting. That's the boss telling them

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what to write, basically because he owns the publication. I'm

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not knocking that, but you just always have to keep

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that in mind when you're reading the ring about events

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related to Turkey al Sheik, just because they're not going

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to write anything that he's not going to approve of, obviously,

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so just get that out of the way. So if

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they wrote it, he said it. The answer to the question, though,

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is I have no fucking idea, As you said. He

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got in the ring with Terrence Crawford and Canelo overs

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facing off against each other and announced that the fight

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was going to be the Friday night in the Allegiance

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Stadium in Las Vegas. Obviously that's the big stadium. Now,

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my reporting has said that that fight was headed to

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Netflix through their deal with TKO. They were going to

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bring that fight to Netflix, not to a pay per view,

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which was obviously a huge deal for boxing fans, and

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Netflix is ready to back up the truck and pay

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a tremendous license fee to put on that event for

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their subscribers because as we have talked about before, as

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it relates to Jake Paul and Mike Tyson and now

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this upcoming fight between Katie Taylor and Amana Torano for

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their third fight, Netflix is in the business of doing

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tenth pole events and obviously, Terrence Crawford against Canel Alvarez

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is a ten pole event. And now he has switched

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the date, supposedly. I'm not sure. I believe that it

474
00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:38,920
will actually be switched, and maybe we'll see it go

475
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,799
back to where it was. But now we're saying it's

476
00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:45,559
a Riad season event, meaning not TKO, and it's going

477
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,640
to be on the thirteenth, which is the Saturday, which

478
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,200
makes more sense in my opinion, and he put out

479
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,759
a list of potential cities to hose it. I think

480
00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:56,559
Las Vegas, Los Angeles, New York, Las Vegas. I mean,

481
00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:58,039
why are we trying to reinvent the wheel?

482
00:22:58,079 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: Here?

483
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,839
Speaker 2: Here's the bottom line to my knowledge, that Teamobile Arena

484
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,200
is available on Saturday the thirteenth, and in boxing of

485
00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:09,240
the last decade or so since Team Oblerin has been opened,

486
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,160
the biggest possible fights for the biggest possible gates take

487
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,440
place on a Saturday night on normal pay per view

488
00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:18,960
in the Teamobile Arena. If they want to put it

489
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,160
on Netflix, obviously that'd be great too. So I'm not

490
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,640
sure why we're trying to reinvent the wheel. I can't

491
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,240
fathom that the fight would go to New York City,

492
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,440
there's not a venue large enough gate wise. It doesn't

493
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,480
make sense there for either fighter. Los Angeles, yeah, they

494
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,480
have great first class arenas. You could do the fight

495
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,640
at the Crypto Arena. But I know my boxing business

496
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,440
as well as anybody, and I can promise you this,

497
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,279
there is no venue in the state of California, much

498
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,079
less in Los Angeles where they can achieve a gate

499
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,279
large enough even close to what they would do in

500
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:50,640
Las Vegas at the Team Mobile.

501
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: Now for an event like this right now Turkey.

502
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,799
Speaker 2: Obviously, if you take a look at the amount of

503
00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:57,319
money that is being spent on the different events that

504
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,480
he is doing, involving Ring magazine as well as the

505
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:02,960
reas and events, they're clearly not designed to earn a

506
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,960
profit because the amount of money that is being spent

507
00:24:06,039 --> 00:24:08,599
on the event or persons and all the other expenses,

508
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,000
and then you just even look at even rough out

509
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,240
what the revenue is, they don't come close to matching.

510
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,319
I mean, he put on an event in Times Square

511
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:19,720
where just on the purses had to be in the

512
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,000
thirty million dollar range. And when I tell you other

513
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:24,759
than they announced on the Ring Social that it did

514
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:27,160
two hundred and sixty five thousand pay per views that

515
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,880
had to be worldwide because there's no fucking way it

516
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,759
did that in the United States. So the only revenue

517
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,440
that there was for that event was whatever the pay

518
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,960
per view did in their take on it. And then

519
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,000
you know, I'm assuming that that video game and some

520
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:41,720
of the other they had some money from sponsors, but

521
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:44,119
not even close to cover the kind of money that

522
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,279
was paid on person. So the money may not be

523
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,480
the most important thing. But again, by all accounts, you know,

524
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:52,519
Canel Alvarez and Terrence Crawford are going to earn between

525
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:54,880
the two of them, you know, well into the nine

526
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,119
figures for this fight, and that's just that fight. That

527
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,000
does not include the undercard and all the other expense

528
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,480
to go on top of making a massive event. So

529
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,680
I think when it's all said and done and listen,

530
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,079
if Turkey comes up with some other interesting thing to do,

531
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:13,599
you know, so be it. But logically speaking, it belongs

532
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,079
at the Team Mobile Arena on Saturday the thirteenth.

533
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: Did you say logic that sometimes that doesn't always.

534
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: Or maybe they go back to the original plan and

535
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,119
it does happen on the Friday night in the stadium,

536
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,519
But here's an interesting thing about it. I found it

537
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,039
very fascinating that they that when Turkey made that announcement,

538
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,119
he very specifically said it would not be that I

539
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,839
forget if he mentioned TKO, but he said it would

540
00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,519
be a re ed season event, after previously announcing that

541
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:43,720
my good friend Dana White and TKO would be handling

542
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,680
the fight. So perhaps we don't know the details. Perhaps

543
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,000
there's some type of issue going on between Turkey and

544
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:53,359
his team and the folks at TKO and Dana. I mean,

545
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,839
maybe it's not the best way to get off to

546
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,640
the start of a new relationship because they haven't really

547
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,839
even started other than to make them an announcement, all right,

548
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,880
so we'll find out. And the other thing about it, though,

549
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:06,720
DJ here's the thing. Uh UFC has their Mexican pay

550
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,200
per view. Uh that's taking place in Mexico on the Saturday.

551
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:14,160
So that means if Turkey moves his event with Canelo

552
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,759
and Crawford to Saturday, to some degree, he's competing against

553
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:20,640
supposedly the people who are his partners.

554
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: No, supposedly he is competing against him.

555
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,799
Speaker 2: Obviously if they're still partners, I'm saying, right, So that's interesting.

556
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,359
I mean, the bottom line is Canelo and Crawford are

557
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,720
They're still fighting in September, and.

558
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: And by and by the way, I know we could

559
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,079
be considered bias. Canella Crawford's bigger than any UFC anything.

560
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,160
Oh right, yeah, period, absolutely, So stay tuned. Last chapter like.

561
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 2: This DJ one more thing about it. In a perfect world,

562
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,440
which this is not, this fight would be on Saturday

563
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,680
in the T mobile on Netflix without a pay per

564
00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:54,440
view surge Archer, all the great fans around the.

565
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,079
Speaker 1: World, Stay tuned, Stay tuned. It may be that, uh,

566
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,960
while we're here, let's talk about the other news, including

567
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,880
a couple of you found out something. So they had

568
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,680
the Thursday press conference for the Ring magazine to his

569
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,440
own pay per view that will actually be at Louis

570
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:15,319
Armstrong Tennis Stadium in Queens, and that is going to

571
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,240
have a double header of Shakur Stevenson and William Zapeta

572
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,359
for the lightweight title, and Edgar Berlanga and Hams of

573
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,680
Sharaz are going to fight in a super middleweight showdown.

574
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,400
So we do know that's confirmed right July twelve, and

575
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,000
it's also yeah.

576
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: There's also other fights that they announced. It's actually a

577
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,720
very solid cart. They also had announced original and these

578
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,079
are still on the card. They're just not getting the

579
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,079
hype yet because the focus has been on the two

580
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,240
main fights with Berlanga Sharaz and Stevenson Zepeda. But they

581
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,720
also are having Alberto Pueo defending the WBC one to

582
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:49,000
forty title against the former title holder, Sabrill Mattias. And

583
00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:51,200
they got a very interesting light heavyweight fight on there

584
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:53,839
David Merle against Iman Katiyev, who may not be the

585
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,160
most well known guy, but an outstanding up and comer

586
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,759
Olympic Olympic medalist, and also the japan East prospect that

587
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,720
fought his pro debut in the Times Square card a

588
00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:06,559
Rato Sutsumi. He'll be in his second professional fight on

589
00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:08,839
the under card. But the focus of their news conference

590
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,119
that took this that took place this week in New

591
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,240
York was on the two main fights. And the Louis

592
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,559
Armstrong Stadium was formerly and now I broke that a

593
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:21,799
couple of days ago before that it's never hosted boxing before.

594
00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:24,039
For people who don't know what it is, it is

595
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:26,000
one of the three stadiums that is part of the

596
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,200
US Tennis Center in a flushing New York and Queens.

597
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,000
It's sort of right near where the New York Mets

598
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:34,000
play at City Field. There's three stadiums there. There's the

599
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,000
big one, which is the Arthur Ashe Stadium, which holds

600
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,400
like twenty thousand. That's where they played the US Open.

601
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: That one now has a retractable roof. They've even put

602
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,200
a retractable roof on it in case it rains on that.

603
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,079
Speaker 2: Not yet not. So that's the main stadium where they

604
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,640
do the US Open final. The Louis Armstrong Stadium, which

605
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,839
is kind of next to it. That's a fourteen thousand

606
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,720
seats stadium. You can fit more for boxing because I

607
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,680
remember you can put seats and stuff on the floor

608
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,599
because the ring doesn't take up that much space. That

609
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,759
has a retractable roof. That's where this is taking interesting. Okay,

610
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:03,000
So that one is the one that happens, and then

611
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,279
they have a smaller one called the Grand Stand that

612
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:07,279
holds about seven or eight thousand. That is also one

613
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,839
of the other places. So those those stadiums host matches

614
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,359
throughout the US Open, but they decided to go with

615
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,759
the Louis arms intersting. It's not as big as the

616
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:18,039
big one. It has the retractable roof, which has to

617
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:20,240
be a very attractive part of the reason why they're

618
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,720
going there. It will be very picturesque. I'm a little

619
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:25,720
concerned about boxing fans who are used to going to

620
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,000
certain places in New York to you know, it's a

621
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,160
little circuitous to get there compared to going to a

622
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,759
place like Barclay Center or the Madison Square Garden, which

623
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:37,440
are very easily accessible by many many of the train lines.

624
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,440
Not so much with this stadium. But you know, I mean,

625
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,519
one thing I'll say for Turkey, I'll give them the

626
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,400
A plus for innovation because they did do whatever you

627
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880
thought about how it turned out with the Times Square

628
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,279
thing that was interesting. This card was actually being discussed

629
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:54,599
for a Central Park until they ended up deciding to

630
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:56,680
go to the Louis Armstrong Stadium. So you know, there

631
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,400
is the desire and the political will, if you will,

632
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,000
to try something a little bit out of the box,

633
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,519
and so for their sakes, hopefully we'll be successful. I

634
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,480
hope the fans turn out for because it's a good card.

635
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,559
I'm a little disappointed it's on pay per view. Once again,

636
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,839
everything is on pay per view. It seems like uh

637
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,240
and it's also you know, uh again good fights. But

638
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:19,079
again maybe I'm aging myself and you two TJ. If

639
00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:22,400
this was the the old the old third days, let's say,

640
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,039
of our what we know was the HBO Showtime era,

641
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,680
this would be an excellent like main event, doubleheader type

642
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,519
show on World Championship Boxing, your Showtime Championship Boxing, not

643
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:33,640
a pay per view card.

644
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: Uh, stay tuned.

645
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: Uh And and by the way, they did talk good

646
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,920
shit though at the press covers.

647
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was some good back and forth, including uh

648
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,839
Shakur and Zapeida, which I think is going to be

649
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:47,759
a highly entertaining fight. More time to talk about that.

650
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,559
And by the way, more news here that you have

651
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,680
found out about Turkey Ali Chic and what's up here

652
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,759
with whether or not Ryan Garcia and and Devin Haney

653
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:59,279
will fight next after let us not forget Garcia lost

654
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:04,039
his fight with Roley Romero. So is that rematch could

655
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:06,680
put or what are you finding out? What do we

656
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,079
know about that?

657
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: I don't think it's totally could put now, he called in.

658
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:11,240
He was not in New York for the press conference

659
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,559
that they had on Thursday in Manhattan to you know,

660
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:17,519
to do the kickoff press convers for this card with

661
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:21,880
Berlanga and and Shiraz and Shakur and Zapeida. But they

662
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,039
had at one point when they were doing the main program,

663
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:28,039
uh Turkey called into Wade Plemons, who was the host

664
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,319
of the proceedings, and had him on the speaker on

665
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,720
the cell phone, and he, you know, greeted the folks

666
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:35,279
that were there and talked about the fights a little bit,

667
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:37,200
and then talked about some other fights and was still

668
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,000
talking about the prospect of doing Garcia and Haini and

669
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,920
talking about other fights that the wins in the in

670
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,359
the fights on his upcoming card could lead to. But

671
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,119
a couple of days before that, I had reached out

672
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:50,000
the Turkey and messaged him and said, just could you

673
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,839
clarify basically, are you still planning to go through to

674
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,640
do the Garcia and Haini rematch even though obviously Ryan

675
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:00,319
had lost, and you know, obviously the other fight was

676
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,200
not the very good fight either, even though Hany was

677
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,680
the winner. You know, is what are you thinking about?

678
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,440
And he was like, look, I don't know. We should

679
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,240
know for sure in a couple of weeks. I'm paraphrasing

680
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,359
what he said. Basically, it was like, you know we might.

681
00:32:10,759 --> 00:32:13,279
He used the word delete the rematch, I mean, not

682
00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,359
do the rematch, and talked about the possibility of doing

683
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,119
some other fight for Ryan as sort of like a

684
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,319
lesser tune up fight to just kind of get him

685
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:23,400
back on track. So I think, right now the jury's out,

686
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,599
I kind of hope they don't do the rematch next.

687
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:27,880
I mean, the first fight was nothing spectacular to begin with.

688
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,799
Number one, The two fights that they fought in the

689
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:32,759
interim on the same card with each other one year

690
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:36,319
later were both unwatchable. I'm not sure what's going to change.

691
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,680
And you put that fight now in Saudi Arabia, you

692
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,680
make it even less interesting to the American public, which,

693
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,559
of course, if there's going to be anybody interested, it's

694
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:45,480
the American public, right And you want to put it

695
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,839
as a main event on pay per view, and there's

696
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,839
other fights you could do. I'm not saying don't ever

697
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,640
do the rematch. I'm just saying, you know what, maybe

698
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,319
the best thing is to let it lie for a

699
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:54,400
little while. These are not old you know, guys that

700
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,119
are that are not going to be fighting for a while.

701
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,079
They're still in their twenties. I mean, if you go

702
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:01,119
a couple more fights and then let the the rematch happened.

703
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,839
Speaker 1: Naturally, we keep it real. There is zero buzz for

704
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,440
that rematch right now for those two performances. We know

705
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,240
that that's the reality. So do something else and then

706
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:12,440
come fight each other. Especially Garcia's got to get the

707
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,559
stink off of him after losing, all right, so let's continue.

708
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:19,960
There is more of an update after we came off

709
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,119
the weekend and the Emanuel Navarate technical decision over Charlie

710
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,359
Schwarez to keep his Wborez.

711
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,039
Speaker 2: Where do you get them?

712
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: All right? So, uh, the Filipino fighter Suarez, Uh, there

713
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,480
will now be a hearing as we talked about it's

714
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:43,160
coming in June, and tell me more about uh what

715
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,119
we've learned here, including Bob Aarm saying, hey, I already

716
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,599
have a slot here for the potential rematch. Go ahead

717
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,359
with the latest.

718
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,079
Speaker 2: So there was never a doubt that the that the

719
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,440
Suarez people are gonna do a formal petition to the

720
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,240
commission to try to overturn the result. Obviously we all

721
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,680
saw the replay after they went off the air, and

722
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,759
after that the the uh, the main card ended in

723
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:09,119
the decision had been announced where they did find footage

724
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,239
on the ESPN cameras of a punch landing and causing

725
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,519
the cut on never At Day's high. So anyway, I

726
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:18,800
I texted with Andy Fosster, who was the executive director

727
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,400
of the California Commission, and asked him, you know, if

728
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,280
they had actually final you know, if the Suarez people

729
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,719
had actually put in the protest. He said, yes, they had,

730
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,519
and they would be on the agenda for their upcoming

731
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,599
meeting on June second, So he'll have his day in

732
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,559
court and the Commission will review the fight. Now, he

733
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,760
did say to me specifically asked him, like, what are

734
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,280
the possibilities, And one is to leave the result as

735
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,880
it is, which is a technical decision victory in favor

736
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,440
of never At.

737
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: That which, by the way, I interrupt, I believe that's

738
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,960
what they should do. They should stand by their guys,

739
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,760
stand by the call, stand by the policies, and leave it.

740
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,679
But you disagree with that, I believe that.

741
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,599
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're not on the commission. The second option

742
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,599
is to make it no contest. The third option is

743
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,800
to overturn and the result and make it a victory

744
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,000
in favor of Suarez. I asked him why would if

745
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,079
there's a possibility to change the result, what would be

746
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,880
the delineation between if you see the punch and it

747
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,199
this makes you decide we should change the result? Why?

748
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,480
What would make it a no contest? And what would

749
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,239
be the threshold to make it a win. He didn't

750
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,880
want to get into those details. I'm not really sure

751
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,320
why there would be a difference, because if you're going

752
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,639
to change it, I would think you know, you do

753
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:28,639
it there. It shouldn't be a choice of both it.

754
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:30,960
I would think it'd either be you leave it or

755
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,360
you make it a win. I'm not I don't really

756
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,559
quite get the no contest part because the video evidence

757
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,199
is so clear, but be that as a may he'll

758
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,639
have his day in court. Meanwhile, I talked to Bob

759
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:40,760
Aaron obviously he's the boss man of top Rank. He

760
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,159
promotes both fighters Suarez and Navarette, and asked him if

761
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,679
he wanted to do the rematch, because remember, just because

762
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,920
whatever the commission does, if they change the result, if

763
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,880
they leave it, if they make it a no contest,

764
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,000
whatever it is, and the WBO, whose title was at stake.

765
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,000
Gustavo Oliveri, who was the president of the WBO, stated

766
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,960
very specifically that they're not doing anything until they see

767
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,320
what the California Commission has to say. And as I've

768
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,800
said many times, remember the Commission has the right to

769
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,159
discuss what happens in terms of a result the organization.

770
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,599
They're the ones that control the belt and the ratings

771
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,440
and whether they ask for a rematch in terms of

772
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,960
their title. So they're not going to make that decision.

773
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,440
But the point I asked about when I talked to

774
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,199
aarm was and this is what he told me, isays,

775
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,760
whatever the Commission does and whatever the WBO does that

776
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,960
does not between we can't just ask to do a rematch.

777
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,320
So they're going to do a rematch, he said, an

778
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,440
immediate one. And his idea and he was very specific,

779
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:36,400
like I'm not saying this is a done deal if

780
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,679
I can pull it off. What he would like to

781
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719
do is take the rematch to Manila in the Philippines,

782
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,960
which is Suarez's hometown, and do the fight in October,

783
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,519
when it will be the fiftieth anniversary of a fight

784
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,559
that Bob promoted, which is a thriller in Manila, one

785
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:51,199
of the most famous fights in the history of the sport,

786
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:53,519
the third fight between Joe Fraser Muhamma Ali for the

787
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:55,800
heavyweight championship. They did that fight at a place called

788
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,960
the Aarneta Coliseum. It's on the outskirts of Manila. They

789
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,280
have refurbished that building and Bob would like to do

790
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,880
this remap be Navarette and Suarez in that building to

791
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,320
help celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of that fight. And I

792
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,800
thought that was a pretty ingenious idea, and we'll see

793
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:10,639
if he can pull it off.

794
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,079
Speaker 1: Okay, so stay tuned on whether Navarate cares to do

795
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:17,320
that as well. Oh, he addressed that, by the way,

796
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,920
is it financially worth his while to go ahead and

797
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,840
have that rematch, because you would think you would think

798
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,440
that's a big component of yes.

799
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: Well as so I asked Bob about that exact fact,

800
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,719
so he sort of read my mind. He said, there,

801
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,639
I'm going to quote from the exact quote that he

802
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,079
gave me and that I wrote in my story that

803
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:34,719
you can read on my substack. There's only one thing

804
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,960
that will make him inclined, and that's m O E

805
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,920
m O n E y. He actually spelled out the

806
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,079
word money, and he said, we'll get neutral officials. The

807
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,440
first fight was a great hilacious fight, and you know,

808
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,159
so he wants to do their match, and obviously if

809
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:50,199
they they're gonna have to pay Navarete probably to go

810
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:55,760
and do it in Suarez's hometown. But you know Navarrete,

811
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,000
if you watched him of all these years, you know

812
00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:59,000
he's a warrior. I don't think he's gonna shrink from that.

813
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,280
As long as the money's right, he'll do it, I'd imagine,

814
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,360
particularly if the WBO orders it.

815
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: Well. A couple of more things here. Speaking of the WBO,

816
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,840
their vacant WBO Junior Middleweight title fight was headed to

817
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,920
the purse bid, but it's now been settled that Xander

818
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:21,639
Zyaz and Jorge Garcia will fight. And what have we

819
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,400
learned about when this is going to be tell me more?

820
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: Well, this is happening because, as we discussed the previous week,

821
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,719
Sebastian Fandora elected to do the rematch against Tim Zuo

822
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,000
and not to comply with his WBO mandatory was Xander Zia,

823
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,320
So therefore he has been stripped of that title, and

824
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,400
so Zias was going to fight for the vacant title.

825
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,840
The next guy up as Jorge Garcia, who if folks

826
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,920
are not that familiar with him. It was maybe like

827
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,760
a month or so ago where he scored a very

828
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,599
big upset win against Charles Conwell to put himself in

829
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,559
a great position. And so without any moss or fuss

830
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:55,519
or purse bids even getting scheduled, the promoters who are

831
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,360
top ranked for Xander and Jorge Garcia is now promoted

832
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,719
by zan for Promotions in Golden Boy, who had an

833
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,719
option after the Conwell fight. They all worked everything out.

834
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,880
So this fight's going to take place for the vacant title,

835
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:08,559
and what I am told is it will be July

836
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,239
twenty sixth. The site is still not ann ount, not

837
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,400
determined yet. The top rank is out there looking around

838
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,119
to see what they can come up with in terms

839
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,920
of a site, and the significant factor of that is

840
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,280
it's going to be that July twenty sixth card, unless

841
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,880
there's a dramatic eleventh hour change, that will be the

842
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,199
final Top Rank on ESPN Plus card now that the

843
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,920
contract is due to expire on July thirty first, So

844
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,280
sort of bittersweet, I guess from that standpoint, And.

845
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: Again, what's going to happen to Top Rank boxing with

846
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,000
another outlet, and as some are saying, is boxing ever

847
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:43,840
going to be on linear TV after this or will

848
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,239
it only be a streaming property from here on out?

849
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:52,559
Depending stay tuned. One more item and the bevy of

850
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,320
female stars, star fighters, and in this case even a

851
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:02,199
star MMA fighter continues for MVP promotions with Hall of

852
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,360
Famer Holly Holme having agreed to MVP and she is

853
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,719
now going to come obviously into the fold and fight

854
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,679
for them. Tell me more about home coming into the

855
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,199
Fold here with Jake Paul's Most Valuable Promotions TJ.

856
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: This one really came out of the blow. There's not

857
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:21,400
a lot of things that can announce that they are

858
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,400
completely shocking. This was like where did this come from?

859
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,199
Like this was way out of nowhere. So Holly Holm

860
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,360
has been one of the top women boxers for a

861
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,559
long time, but not since two thousand and thirteen. I mean,

862
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,800
she won a ton of titles when women's boxing was

863
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,039
nowhere near the level it is today. But at that

864
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,559
time she was one of the best in the sport.

865
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,800
But she found greater options and greater money to move

866
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,360
to MMA. She became a very big name in a UFC.

867
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,960
She won a world title in UFC at one hundred

868
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,360
and thirty five pounds as a boxer. She'd been fighting

869
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,199
more as a welterweight as a as a junior welterweight.

870
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,400
But remember, and I don't follow MMA closely, but when

871
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,679
I was writing little bit about this situation, I recalled

872
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,239
and I saw some of the notes about it. She

873
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,400
had fought a massive fight in UFC against Ronda Rousey,

874
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,000
so I mean she's well known for that.

875
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:14,039
Speaker 1: She is famous where the kick that basically dispelled the

876
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:18,360
myth of Ronda Rowsey being under indestructible. I remember stopped

877
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,920
her with one thunderous kick and uh and Ronda Rousey

878
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,639
again the aura, like the indestructible aura was over. So

879
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,000
that Home is obviously well known for that moment.

880
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: She busted Douglas ter basically.

881
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,679
Speaker 1: Yes, with away an MMA kick.

882
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,679
Speaker 2: So so she wasn't fought in boxing in for a

883
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:42,320
long time. Right, She's she's signed with MVP. She's going

884
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,440
down to one hundred and thirty five pounds in boxing.

885
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,599
She did fight at one thirty five as a UFC fighter.

886
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,760
She's gonna fight Yolanda Vega, who is a Mexican fighter,

887
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:53,920
twenty nine year old who was undefeated. Home is forty

888
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,039
three years old and hasn't had a boxing match at

889
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,280
a very long time, but not like she didn't fight.

890
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,920
She was in UFC for a long time, so she

891
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,760
was doing that that particular sport. So anyway, there they

892
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,400
announced that they signed Home and they signed Vega, who's

893
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,639
ten and oer with only one knocked out, So they're

894
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,280
going to fight each other in a ten rounder. It's

895
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,000
going to take place on the undercard when Jake Paul

896
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,880
and Julio Cesar Chavas Junior have their main event on

897
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,760
his own pay per view June twenty eighth. And the

898
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,159
reason why this came up this week was because they

899
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,360
did a press conference in Los Angeles for the main

900
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,559
event on Wednesday, and at that press conference Holly Holm

901
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,960
and Vega were introduced and showed up and then they

902
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,480
made that formal announcement. So that's quasi interesting. And again

903
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,039
we discussed this at times about Manny Pacio coming back,

904
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,360
about how he's going to fight in July and he's

905
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,039
going to have been inducted into the Hall of Fame

906
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:45,559
just a few weeks earlier. Holly Holm was already inducted

907
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,199
into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in the women's

908
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,519
category in twenty twenty two and she's coming back to

909
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:54,239
but that was nine years after her last boxing match, right,

910
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,440
He's suddenly going back to have a boxing match this

911
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,440
coming June, so that was a little surprising. But as

912
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:01,800
a lighter, she was a hell of a fighter.

913
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: For just like Bob Aram spelled it, will spell it

914
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,239
again m O N E Y for the female fights.

915
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: But also it's also a big thing in terms of

916
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:16,679
just m VP's overall obvious what they're doing in boxing.

917
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: Their initiative with women's boxing, they.

918
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,079
Speaker 2: Are looking to basically, you know, corner the market. So

919
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:24,760
they're never going to corner the market because you know,

920
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Dimitris Salida and his team, They've got a lot of

921
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:30,840
quality female boxers also including Claressa Shields. They signed franchion

922
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,440
Cruise and they have some others as well. But MVP

923
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:35,400
has based on and.

924
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Matt Rooms got obviously fighters as well over in Europe.

925
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: In the UK, Matroom doesn't really have any the top

926
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,039
women right now other than Katie Taylor, and Katie Taylor's

927
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,559
fighting on these designe cards with UH or not the

928
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,800
Zone cards, but with the m v P cards rather

929
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,199
in the Toronto fights, they did the Tyson UH by

930
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,320
Caul fight. They were on the undercard. Matroom was very

931
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,800
limited in that they didn't They were basically barred from

932
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,159
being involved in any way. Same thing pretty much with

933
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:00,880
the third fight. I guess, so, yeah, she's with them,

934
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,400
but Mattrim's women's ranks are very thin. They promote Beatrice

935
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,840
fiar Ferira was very good but MVP. Now they have

936
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,719
Home and Vega for what that's worth. They also promote

937
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,840
Amanda Serrano. They've been on a signing bage recently. They

938
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,519
announced the signing of Savannah Marshall, Chantel Cameron. They promote

939
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,800
the undisputed thirty pound champion, a Liisa Bombgarner, the outstanding

940
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,679
banaway champion, Dina Thorsland. They have Shadaiza Green. They promote

941
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:28,800
Eli Scani who's a unified champion. I believe it's one

942
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,679
hundred and twenty two pounder. So their wheelhouse right now

943
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is definitely the top women's boxing matches.

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Speaker 1: All right, lots there there is some nostalgia, and again

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we have continued to do this. We want to push

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people to go to the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page

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and watch Dan and I reliving the nostalgia of actually

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a couple of tremendous anniversaries two decades ago. It was

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twenty years ago on Wednesday, May fourteenth, two thousand and five,

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when Saint Petersburg, Florida's Ronald Winky Wright The wink upset

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Felix Trinidad in one of the more dominant performances of

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Winki's career, certainly a shocking, stunning upset. So we're talking

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about that on the YouTube page and also as we

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do this podcast on Thursday, the fifteenth of May. It

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was twenty one years ago now, in two thousand and

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four that Orlando, Florida, now living in North Tampa, Florida,

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Antonio Tarvor the Magic Man KOed Roy Jones with an

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unlikely one punch second round knockout. So we want them

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to go relive all of your remembrances of these and

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you're in my back and forth of the Winkie right

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upset of Trinidad by decision and boom goes a dynamite

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from Antonio Tarvor. Right. Then you to go find it

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on the YouTube page.

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Speaker 2: Right, hej you got any excuses tonight?

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Speaker 1: That's one of the great moments from that Tarvor Any questions? Yeah,

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I got a question, right, that's what he says exactly

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any excuses tonight Roy and then and then he lived

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up to it with the knockouts. So go back and

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relive the nostalgia on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.

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Do us a favor, subscribe to it, hit the like button,

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comment on the videos. A lot of you are finding

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those with the nostalgia pieces. So both of those anniversaries

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are midweek as we released the podcast in the weekend.

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May fourteenth from two thousand and five is the Winkie

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Right win. May fifteenth, on Thursday is the win for

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Antonio tarvar the shota. Arguably the biggest moment of Tarbar's career,

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that knockout of Roy Jones.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's arguable. I think it's not

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even close. It's by way. I mean, he did have

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three fights against Troy, but that was the biggest knockout

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in all the biggest moment of all of them.

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Speaker 1: So there we go again. We circle back that we'll

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be on bet us handicapping the Johnny Fisher Dave Allen

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Heavyweight main event for Mattroom, as well as the Bulletchuk

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Michael Fox main event in California. The Junior middleweight showdowns.

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Will have that on the bet Us TV platforms at

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one Eastern time on Friday. Depending on when you're hearing

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us on this podcast. You can obviously see on YouTube

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on social media the bet Us Show later in the

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day on Friday. A lot of people watch later in

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the day or on Friday night or on Saturday, but

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check us out live be there live on Friday. Other

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than that, are we good for this weekend? My friend?

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I think they probably are for all the action and

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the activity. We will next come your way with a

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recap pod off the weekend. Follower, subscribe to this podcast feed.

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It helps us on Apple spreakers, Spotify, rate us and

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review us. Many of you did that over the last

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two or three weeks. Keep doing that. It helps us out.

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Big Dan, have a good weekend. I will talk to

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you on the bet Us Show next, my friend Live

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Friday at one Eastern time. Yes, sir, there is Dan Rayfield.

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I'm merely TJ Reeves. We are good for another edition

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of the Fight Freaks Unit or another edition, excuse me,

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of the Big Fight Weekend preview Fight Freaks U Nite

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off the weekend kids on this feed. Bye for now.