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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentleman, Welcome to the six hundred and

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fifty eight podcast fifty eight fifty eighth Podcast of Geek. First,

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I am the garlic chomping Tress.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm joined by I'm the ice cream licking KIRKLM. Batzer.

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Speaker 1: Lots of mouth stuff going on with these nicknames, but yeah,

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it makes sense with what we're talking about. Like I'm

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going assume people know what we're talking about with the

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main plot, but just in case, I won't say what

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it is because I remember weeks ago, who knows where

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he is attacked? Taya's gone, probably gonna press charges on somebody,

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not me, but he I had to tell Malt like

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at least three times last year, like what this movie

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was about, because I think when at first introessted me, Oh,

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you're gonna like this a certain genre, You're like, all great,

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and then like every six months to be like, oh,

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that's a what's the bad guys in this movie? But

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just so just in case, if there's somebody does not

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know the bad guys in this movie, We're gonna do,

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as usual, a non splait breakdown. We'll take a break,

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We'll tell you a little bit what's going on? Geek?

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First you're gonna add and then we'll get into full spoilers.

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But I I not speaking for Kirkling because me and

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him not spoken about the movie at all, but I

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would say this is one probably you should you know,

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just listen non spoilers, and I don't know, I can

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see it definitely one maybe you should uh think about

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coming back to later. But maybe that's a little minor

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spoiler from my thoughts. But mister Pats, I feel like

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this movie talk about for quite a while. We've been excited,

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especially so what did you think of Ryan Coogler's what

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is this? This is his fifth feature debut or not debut,

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just fifth feature.

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Speaker 3: It's his fifth debuts after Uh yeah, I know, I

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was really excited for this one, just us like genre

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Speaker 4: I I feel like the trailers were really what sold me.

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Like the last I don't know what iteration of the

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trailer was, but it just had like that blues undertone

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and like the like the soundtrack, and then just you

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had Michael B. Jordan like just wheeled in a Tommy gun.

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I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's get Arnold. Yeah, I'm so

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ready for this movie. And uh yeah, I was really

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looking forward to it. And I'm kind of torn on

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this one because like I do really love aspects of

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this film.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be saying spoilers, so I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Gonna I'll say, I think there's a world where this

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movie is like an extremely different movie than what it is,

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And I honestly think, and I'm gonna pitch this once

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we get to the spoilers, I honestly think that would

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be a better movie, at least for myself. I don't

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know how you feel about it, so we'll see how

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we get how it doesn't we get there. I personally

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think the third act of this film takes like a

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major dive for me, which is like, yeah, I feel

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like that's backwards for what you would think if you

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if you've seen this movie. I'm just talking to riddles

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Net right now. But like I guess, for non spoiler wise,

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I did like it, like passing enough for the whole

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like the first half of it, I was one hundred

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percent engaged, like I really really liked what they were

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setting up here. I think just the story and the

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dynamics or relationships I was one hundred percent in on

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Michael B. Jordan playing two characters. When you first see

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them like together, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be distracting.

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talented guy, but like just seeing them standing together, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Clearly backs of the flash when you're like, these aren't two.

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Speaker 4: Amber Yeah, exactly, like I That's what I thought the

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first time I saw them. But beyond that point, I

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think they did such a good job at just distinguishing

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like each brother from just their mannerisms, the way that

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he would talk. Funny enough, they have like one wearing blue,

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one wearing red, so it's like pretty easy like visual indicator.

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is like the twinning aspect. And hats off to Michael B.

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Jordan for being able to pull off that performance, like

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you literally have to, like do you know they's similar characters,

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a film and he's the lead, So like, really really

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impressive there. I think Haylie Steinfeld was just fantastic for

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how she was used, And yeah, like I I really

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don't have any issues with any of the characters. The

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Sami character. I can't remember the actor's name, but I

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Speaker 1: So I think his first film. I'm assuming because they

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did the introducing Miles Carton or something. I'll confirm that,

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of people are gonna put him on his list in

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the future. Yeah, it is. That's this is his first

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movie he's ever done, So this is gonna be a

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lot of people. I'm not I'm sure he's act and

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Speaker 2: The next TV film if he wants, well, we'll hit

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Speaker 1: We would be extremely lucky for that. But yeah, no,

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of stuff coming up.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, but yeah, no, I I think I'm just

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really conflicted because, yeah, without spoiling what I'm about to spoil,

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just was really really into a movie that it felt

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like this was setting up to be and then it

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just it just deviates. And I don't think the deviation

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is bad, like I think both versions are really good

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on their own. I just felt like the mixing of

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everything just it it felt too like mixing oil and water.

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Speaker 2: It just didn't go together that well for me.

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Speaker 4: I think the performance was really good, the execution was

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really good, Like this is a really good looking movie.

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like what they were setting up with the lore and everything.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I'm just a little bit

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conflicted on there.

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Speaker 4: I think maybe just breaking it down with you, I

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might be able to iron out some of these wrinkles

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I have right now because I am conflicted because I

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did have a good time throughout the whole the whole thing,

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even though I was a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Unsure I think at moments.

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Speaker 4: But uh yeah, with the sake of potentially spoiling anything else,

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this this movie.

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Speaker 2: I had a pretty good time.

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Speaker 4: I think there was like five people total in my theater,

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including myself, so everyone was in pairs, but myself I.

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Speaker 2: Was the one loner.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I went bold too this time. I like went

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dead center in the film, which I never do. I'm

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going alone, but I I bought my tickets earlier and

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then I checked the seats right before I went in,

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and I'm like, okay, yeah, there's no like big crowds

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all around me or something. I should be pretty safe,

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and yeah, sure enough I was. It was all a

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couples on the perimeter doing their id the zucchini games

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as I was just in the in the dead center

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with my popcorn enjoying.

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Speaker 2: So Michael B. Jordan action, poor you.

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Speaker 1: Lots of a guinea going on there. But yeah, he said,

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I'd help you break down. I actually didn't watched them.

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Speaker 4: Well, that soccer went went long, you know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Long soccer.

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Speaker 4: And I appreciate you at least coming here with the

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Speaker 1: Walking through it. Detail said, did you do Imax Kirk, No,

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we don't got Imax here, knockoff? Was this even in

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the extreme screen? Was this one?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: It was in the small one, showings at like the

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same like similar timing, and they were like right next

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to each other, but not the extreme theater. I don't

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even know it's out right now that would be taking

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Speaker 1: I guess, oh craft it's Minecraft. Yeah, fuck, we we

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have an extreme so it's like bigger and he got Dolby,

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but it does. It's not Imax, and I wish, yeah,

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Colone was getting bigger and I wish would get one,

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but I don't think we will anytime soon. It's such

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a shame. So yeah, we don't have that option. We

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have that option, it's just four hours away. So we

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don't usually do that. If we're gonna do some geek

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Speaker 4: Know, all my Imax experiences have been like the Science

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World ones where it's just like about penguins or something,

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opportunity to see the Batman when he was coming to Imax,

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had ended up being like it was playing like the

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day after I was leaving, Uh Victoria, I was so choked.

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Speaker 2: That would have been amazing, but what could.

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Speaker 1: Have been It's funny. I accidentally, when I was looking

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O'Connell right beside his name, but I didn't because I

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did that. So as I just talked about him, like

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being debuting acting, I see like forty five projects. They

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fucking lied to me, But no, it is. Jack O'Connell

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was like, you can't say they're introducing somebody who's in

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their forty fifth project, like other than the Joke, but

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debut film. But yeah, no, this is a I'll just

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say it's It reminds me, it's good. This is gonna

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reminds me a lot of Django, where Django that's different

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because we know Tarantino style and you know it's gonna

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damn good considering everything they had to go through to

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get there. So this guy like, I know it's always

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gonna be quality, but we still don't have like even

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what that was like his seventh movies. It's like only

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three Coogler movies away from hitting his like uh Django.

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right where Coogler I feel like we're still like, hey,

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who is Ryan Coogler? And I don't mean that in

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a bad way of like someone that you know can't

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gonna be? Because it was like an independent movie, franchise movie,

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then two massive blockbusters, and now we're getting into like

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a genre whore. I won't even say someone. It's definitely

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again a character driven movie. And I think that's the

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what all those other movies are, Ryan Coogman. That's what

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a negative, but it takes its time. With Hey, every

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mixed up and everything. But the reason it reminds me

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of Jango, and not just because you know that's black

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leads and has to do some slavery. You know, like

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isms in there. It's just that for and say, the

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first two acts as lots of comedic beats, but Jangle

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feels like a very drama, almost like Oscar movie. But

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then the last act goes crazy. It's full spaghetti western.

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I don't know. I was comparing a bunch of people's

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name there, but like you just wrap busting out. Well,

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Jamie Fox is killing these people, shooting their dicks off.

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I like that, right, this goes in a different direction.

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an Oscar movie, and that's why I think Ryan Cougler

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one he's gonna be like, no on a few years,

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he's gonna win an Oscar because it feels like that.

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But then it's okay. But in the third act, we

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want to get fucking nuts, and they have a couple

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of those times in there. There's something to do with

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music in the second act that's like very visually stunning

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and like kind of comes out of nowhere but is

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really cool. This movie has a lot of that stuff

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where there's some really really cool stuff in here, and

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I think it's gonna work and not work for many

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people and even myself. There's some sort of I don't

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know if I know I exactly love this, but overall,

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this is a film that I really enjoyed. I love

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just just felt like Ryan Cougler, I don't know for

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a fact, but just feels like a movie he's probably

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had in his head for years. I just feel like

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it's just like he's throwing it up there and just

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has like every idea visually stunning. Again, we've talked about

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this guy for many, many years, but Ludwig, like, this

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guy can do no wrong, like he is this generation's

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Han Zimmer, just like the music is very like the

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music is a character itself too, And that's why it's

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like when you go down the songs, you see how

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many people or how many songs Ludwig. It's not that

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he just did the score. He did the score them

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like multiple origional songs. It's like, this guy is so

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good and the music has to be so good because

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it plays a big role. But that saying, there's lots

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going on. There's tons of themes, not even talking about

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the big genre stuff, but acting wise, Yeah, Michael B.

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is it ninety million? And then flash two hundred twenty million,

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probably more than that, And I talked about it before

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where it's just not the acting wise, but there were

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so many times where why was Ezra Samsite? Neother Ezra

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and that Ezra looked low, glossy or cgi and it's

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like you have this guy Ryan Coogler, who you know,

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won the best out there, but still it's like ninety million.

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It's like they look like their brothers, and it's Michael B.

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Jordan plays them in a fascinating way because they are

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very similar. And I feel like, in the first other

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than the colors, I'm like, Okay, what is the differences

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of their personality per se? But as the movie goes

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on you get to see that. But at first it's Okay,

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you gotta you gotta watch out for that color because

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if not, eventually they get split up, so that helps too.

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But I think that's a great route of their playing

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them twins. They grew up together, they've been together their

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whole lives, like they haven't, you know, separated. They went

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to that's a it's not big splore, Like they go

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to war together. They open business together, so all the stuff.

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But yeah, it's it's different than I thought it was

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going to be, but I still love it. From a

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filmmaking point of view, I think this is one where

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if you were asked me what I would grate it

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on a critique level, it probably be lower than my

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enjoyment level, because my enjoyment level is quite high. I

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think there's a few moments in here that don't work,

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and there's a few things that are the head scratching,

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a few things that even certain, like end credits. I'm like, ah,

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maybe this could have been like just a part of

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the movie in a sense. I don't know. It's the

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third act. It I was gonna say, it feels like

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he's throwing stuff at the wall. And it's not that

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I feel like it's all by design. I think there's

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some really great stuff in there, especially like the Last

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to Mints, some great stuff. I feel like it's a

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lot packed it, and this movie's already long. It's two

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twenty so it's not like it's a short movie. It's like, hey, kid,

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you only go an hour and a half. He's like, fuck,

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let's sort everything. It's not that it takes its time.

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The third act gets a huge set piece and tons

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of time given to it. It doesn't feel rushed or

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anything like that. It's just especially it's say the last

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twenty five minutes. There's a lot of movie in here,

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and I'm very excited to watch this one again because

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this one that I I. Luckily Emma hasn't seen it,

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so I'm gonna watch with her, But like, I really

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want to watch this again and go, Okay, I know

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that I very much enjoyed it and liked it, but

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it's a question of how much it's in the same thing.

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We've talked about this before, where the first time I

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saw Interstellar, I loved it, but not loved it the

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same way everybody else. And I think I already like

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Sinners more than Interstellar, like the first time I saw it,

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But I remember, once we retrospect it, I'm like, I

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don't know why I never gave this movie a ten

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the first time I watched it. You know, it's somebody

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you just need to sit with it. So there's some

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stuff that I need to sit with on this, But uh, no,

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filmmaking wise top notch. It just feels like a guy's

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at the top of this game doing some great stuff

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here and performances everyone's great. We talked about Miles guy Delroy,

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he's great. He Steinfeld's great. Oh, I got a poll

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pr name. I can't remember. She's It's it's that thing again,

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like I don't like to be mean or whatnot, but

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what is her name? She's a TVA agent or leader

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from low key?

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Speaker 2: God?

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Speaker 1: Where is she?

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Speaker 2: That's her name?

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Speaker 1: Was it Atrice? Was that her name?

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Speaker 2: Or No?

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Speaker 1: Was that someone else? No?

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Speaker 2: I don't even see her.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking in the cast. I'm oh, I

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wonder if it's my appearance, So she must be down

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there a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But it just reminds we'll find her.

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Speaker 1: It just reminds me of like when we were It's Fun.

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We were talking about yere for you before we went

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on air here, and it's just like when you see

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Zandia in the MC and you're just like, man, you

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would never guess this could be one of the best

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working actresses around. Same thing with her. I'm not saying

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she's bad and Loki, not at all. I think we

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liked everything like that, and she was in Deadpool Wolverine,

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but it's like in this she's like Grand Canyons above

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anything else. So I'm not trying to say the MCU

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makes you seem like a bad actor, but it's just

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like it's funny where when you got movies that to me,

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character is the first point and just like how they connect,

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you get to really see people flesh their skills out.

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So yeah, I will get her name on some point here,

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but yeah, fantastic movie for me. I love it. I

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would recommend it. Like I said, I have some not

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even issues yet, just some things of like okay I

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need to say with that, And I do have my

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issues so far more minor stuff where okay, that's maybe

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a little convenient or oh why did this happen this way?

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my best way of like again, I could ever get

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this film a perfect ten on a critical scale, but

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it's one of those things like all the things I

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liked about it are so good kind of the stuff

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that I might have an issue with are kind of

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they're still they're they're down there, you know, they're in

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the past, everything like that. So it's funny. I try

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to ran now brand the same time. I think it

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just got out there great timing. Loved it the whole time.

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I couldn't help thinking about how good don't Michael B.

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Jordan look compared to Ezra and the Flash. That's what

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I thought too, because that's the most recent one. I

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feel like we've talked about other twin stuff since then,

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but not to this degree where it's they're the two

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main characters, right, because that's more tricky, Like there's action

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scenes with them side by side. It's like that must

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have been tough, but they make it look easy. They

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make it look flawless, and not at any point it's like, oh,

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Michael B. Jordan's head's kind of floating and that doesn't

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look like him. It's just like effortlessly. So I know

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he's probably gonna go do Black Panther three to finish

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off that trilogy. And I'm not saying don't do then

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old thing, finish your Superhill trilogy, but I'm very excited

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for what Coogler does after the fact. But yeah, that's

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the only thing I'd brace you for. It's like an

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Oscar drama, and then the third act it takes like

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a big twist where somebody like there here's an example

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where we go to spoils that get out. That is

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literally a best picture Oscar on me. But in the

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first ten minutes. You know, you're watching a horror movie.

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It's creepy, it's weird. There's stuff going on that doesn't

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make sense or track. But in this movie, I'll just

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say that doesn't come into much much later. Like I'd

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love to have someone watch this that had no idea

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what this movie was, saw no trailer because you you

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like that. Even the opening monologue, it's more about like

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culture stuff and to do with music. It's not about like, oh,

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this supernatural thing. It's so it's I would love this

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would have been a movie. I would have loved to

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have seen or read this scrip having no idea, and

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I could see because I think even Clay and her

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discord said there's a certain thing with what the the

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enemy is that he actually would have preferred it the

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other way of just doing the drama. And uh, I

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do get that, but I had a lot of fun here.

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So anything else non spoilers.

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Speaker 4: Uh win me mosaka Mosaku. I hope I'm saying that

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name right. I'm probably not perfect.

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Speaker 1: Would you play again?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: She is like not on im D at all, but

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she ya any it's weird. I had to google separately

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from come.

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Speaker 1: On get her on there. Who's her agent? Come on,

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she did a great job like this, this was I

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guess she's in LOKEI and whatnot. I never think about her,

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just like, oh, she's in the show, she good and

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everything about it. After this, I'm like, oh, I hope

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I see her a lot more. You know.

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Speaker 4: I saw her in this, and I'm like, where have

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I seen her from? Like I've seen her in something?

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But yeah to your.

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Speaker 1: Two seasons of the show.

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Speaker 4: We're talking at able, Yeah, you know, so it's nice

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to see this level of her. But no, I just

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want to get right into spoiler so we can get there.

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Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna do that. So if you've not

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seen this movie, now is the time to bow out.

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Like we said, Senza, we have maybe different degrees of

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how much we enjoyed it, but we both agree definitely

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go see the movie and then come back and check

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them the non spoilers, you know, go support nice, good

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old original, uh bigger picture, and then we'll be right back.

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And we're back. So where do you want to start

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with Sinners here to go?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely spoiler marker.

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Speaker 4: If you don't want to get spoiled, leave now, because

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I want to get right into just the meat and

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potatoes of my my grievance with this and kind of

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what I was alluding to earlier where I personally feel

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like this would have been a better movie without vampires

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at all. I I I did clearly, I really did

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like the setup of the lore of like the musician

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in the beginning, the way that they just had like

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the images like coming in when it's like well like

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and then the demons are like like drawn to whatever

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the terminology it did for it, Like it was just

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giving me goosebumps without even like seeing a thread out there.

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So I did think that aspect to it was really

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really good. So it got me excited for the vampire stuff.

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00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,480
But once we actually got into the movie, I was

473
00:20:24,519 --> 00:20:26,839
just so like into these two brothers that were like

474
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,960
working for the Capone they came back home, they're like

475
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,599
setting up like this business in this town. As as

476
00:20:32,599 --> 00:20:35,359
you already mentioned earlier, like we get time to like

477
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,119
really learn about pretty much every character that's introduced, and

478
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,759
like I was invested in their story. So I even

479
00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,799
like a TV series about like about like this. You know,

480
00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:48,319
it's funny, it's similar time era, different part of the world,

481
00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:51,200
but like Peaky Blinders is is very similar to like

482
00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:54,799
this type of era. Obviously it's not in America, but

483
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,319
like still, I was just getting that itch form and

484
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,480
for just like more Peaky Blinders, And that's how it felt.

485
00:21:01,519 --> 00:21:05,640
Just like these two like badass crime guys that came

486
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,799
back home and they obviously have like a whole skill

487
00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:10,599
set and experience and the raidy to just run this town.

488
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,279
And then you get introduced to yeah, like the piece

489
00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:16,319
of shit like the clan members and everything. You're like, okay,

490
00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:17,920
this could be like a threat that they have to

491
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,160
deal with multiple times. It's already set up that well

492
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,640
it's not set up, but it's revealed later on that

493
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,720
that initial guy that was selling was like the leader

494
00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:28,519
of the clan and then he was gonna come back

495
00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:30,559
and murder them anyway. So it's like right there, like

496
00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:34,079
you have your climax right there, even without a vampire threat.

497
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,279
And I did like the vampires, like that's kind of

498
00:21:37,319 --> 00:21:40,960
what was getting me excited for this movie. But I

499
00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,720
just think that the melding together of everything it just

500
00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:48,279
felt so forced for me, and it's like we're.

501
00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:50,519
Speaker 2: Going along with a movie. In my mind, I'm like.

502
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 4: Man, like when are they really gonna like have these

503
00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:56,640
vampires like like interact like to the point of like

504
00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:58,559
violence and like full on kind of what I would

505
00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:02,319
have expected most the movie was gonna be, and like

506
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,400
that happens, and then I swear, like ten minutes later,

507
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,279
it's just like the end of the movie, and I'm like, wow,

508
00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:08,880
that that felt really fast. It's I'm sure it's hyperbole.

509
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,759
I'm sure it was more than ten minutes, but that's

510
00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:11,640
just how it felt for me.

511
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,839
Speaker 1: Really, Okay, I felt it took quite a while from

512
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,240
when because to me, the start of the vampire stuff

513
00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:19,960
is when they come to sing and then all yes on.

514
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 4: So that's when it's like, okay, here we are, Like

515
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,680
I'm moving in my seat, like this is what I've

516
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,440
been waiting for this whole time. But on the other

517
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,240
side of the coin, I've enjoyed everything that we got

518
00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:31,200
up until that point. So now I'm like, well, I

519
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,240
don't want to lose that, But clearly we are because

520
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,200
we're going to the point and overturn, people are starting.

521
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: To die, vampires are they're getting in now.

522
00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:42,599
Speaker 4: And then shortly after, you know, Stack gets uh gets

523
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:47,720
he gets written into the sunset by by Mary there,

524
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:50,119
but so yeah, I don't know. I'm just a little

525
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,599
bit conflicted because I did like parts of of like

526
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,680
the the violence at the end, like the action that

527
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,920
that was all good.

528
00:22:58,519 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

529
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 4: It just felt like to me, I personally would have

530
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,559
liked the version without the vampires. But I don't know,

531
00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:07,359
because maybe that wouldn't have been as good because you

532
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,200
don't get like the whole lore set up stuff, So

533
00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:11,839
it's tough. I think I might be just asking for

534
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,799
too much here. That was just my thoughts when I

535
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,400
left the theater. I was a little bit conflicted.

536
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, I guess because I definitely

537
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,119
can see that so simwhere to because you've said that

538
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,200
you a Clay said that, I'm sure other people will.

539
00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:26,200
I could definitely see that perspective. I guess. I think

540
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,640
what Ryanku was trying to go for is which sounds dumb,

541
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,759
but what if vampires were in real life and it's

542
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:34,960
the same way, I like, you wouldn't have this build up.

543
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,079
They would just kind of show up, right, And I

544
00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:39,079
think the problem is we tubbled with so much times

545
00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:42,200
where you meet all these characters in a horror movie

546
00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:44,559
just like a regular let's just say Blumhouse, you know

547
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,599
whatever they comes out of her January, the Pool movie, whatever.

548
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,839
But it's just like they introduced you a threat. There's

549
00:23:49,839 --> 00:23:52,559
a quick origin or like you know, opening soon where

550
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,920
it kills something, and then you meet all these characters,

551
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,039
but you don't care about them really ever. Right, Like,

552
00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:59,240
how many horror movies I feel like, have we talked

553
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,599
about a review? There's don't get me wrong, there's many

554
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,799
like your screams, your nightmares, stuff like that, but opposed

555
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,839
to how many movies have great characters and moments and

556
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,680
then how many great care or how many movies have

557
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,160
like something that's creepy that just kills some people? Right,

558
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,960
And that's what I think he was trying to go for, was, Okay,

559
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:20,119
if I want to do a vampire movie but also

560
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,079
have invested characters. I think if you get to that

561
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,079
point earlier, which I guess, yeah, you have the guy

562
00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:27,559
that does you know, the main I'll get his name there,

563
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,960
because I've never seen this. I've seen I'll take this back.

564
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,880
I'll come back to Jack O'Connell later on. I just

565
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,079
got to get his name here. Remick was his name.

566
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,559
That's the main vampire guy obviously at that one scene

567
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:40,799
where he meets like the uh uh, the the clan members, right,

568
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:43,200
But other than that, the first two acts for the

569
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,160
most part, because I can't remember when that part happens,

570
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:47,519
it is just like a regular movie. So I think

571
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:50,400
that's what he was just trying to achieve, is how

572
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,680
would this progress in a real world where you're just

573
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:54,559
all these things are going right, Because, like I said,

574
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:56,720
if you didn't know this, you would watch this movie

575
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,519
and be so shocked, where so many times it is

576
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,440
even Nostra right, it's Lily Rose depth standing out there

577
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,279
like come to me and then ah, and then it's

578
00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:07,079
like okay, we don't see Anasaratu for another like forty

579
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,440
minutes again, but it's like right away said like okay,

580
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,200
that monster's coming. So I think that's kind of why

581
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,759
he wanted to do in my interpretation of wants to

582
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:17,920
get invest in the world, the character and their stakes,

583
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,519
even before they get to like the bad stake like

584
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,319
the worst Steaks, it's just the clan members. Yeah, that's

585
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,119
bad money laundering. They even talk about how people in

586
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,160
Chicago might be after them, so I think they just

587
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,759
kind of said up, like okay, this is like the

588
00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:33,400
regularized stakes, but then this is the ultra you know,

589
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:35,920
break glass, what are we gonna do here? Stakes? Like

590
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,519
this is as bad as it can get. So I

591
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:40,160
think that's just what he was because I just wonder

592
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,640
if you sprinkle even myself and not that I found

593
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:45,480
I was waiting for the vampire, but I was waiting

594
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:48,240
to see how they interlocked it. So I thought that

595
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:50,200
maybe that's what he was doing, as far as, hey,

596
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,039
you don't need the audience isn't gonna be like, oh

597
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,079
I just saw that vampire kill somebody, and now there's

598
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,680
not killing. Right. If they make you just care about

599
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,839
Steinfeld and the Jordans, then maybe it's like, Okay, I

600
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:01,720
I don't even like And maybe I even worked that

601
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,960
way for you, right where you're like, oh, I don't

602
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,599
even need the vampire threat. I'm just investing that story.

603
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,680
So but in the other version, then maybe it doesn't

604
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,680
sound like for you the showdown worked from it's like

605
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,079
them versus vampires, where for me it's like I'm invested

606
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,400
all these characters and now it's like, okay, now we're

607
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,200
getting them versus the vampires, where usually it's a bunch

608
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,319
of paper thin two D characters that I really don't care.

609
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,359
Like in this movie when people even when I can't

610
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,680
remember the couple that had the daughter at the grocery

611
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,720
store when the husband went missing, Yeah yeah, I'm like, oh,

612
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:33,279
he's got to make it out. He's been gone for

613
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,160
a him saw that kale. I'm like, that's gonna be

614
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,160
a happy moment. And then when you just see him

615
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,200
walk up while the other guy's got his neck nod

616
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,799
and I was like, oh no, and then they even

617
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:43,400
say that thing of like, oh yeah, we're gonna go

618
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,920
find your daughter, right. So that's why for me, I

619
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,880
think that's why the vampire stuff works, because I'm so

620
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,240
invested in multiple characters. When they actually die, I feel

621
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,880
something or I'm mad versus okay, you horror movie b

622
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,759
that I'm invested in our star and everybody else is

623
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:00,720
just fodder that I don't really care. You know, I'm

624
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,640
invested in even Sammy's like, you know, woman who has

625
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,519
the wife and is having an affair with him and

626
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:08,359
stuff like oh man, and she has a great moment.

627
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,880
Like I'm invested in all these people. So I think

628
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,759
that's where the vampire stuff worked for me.

629
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's it's fair and like maybe if you

630
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,160
don't have the vampire threat, this is just a lot

631
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,160
less of an enticing film. It's just like, okay, it's

632
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,559
just absolutely it's just like a Django without tarantinoisms.

633
00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: You know, he's not getting ninety million for just a crime.

634
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah this, Yeah, so I do get that point.

635
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:31,799
Speaker 4: I think something else that was kind of bugging me

636
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,160
at the end was it's true, it's nice getting time

637
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,640
to introduce these characters and get a little bit attached

638
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,599
to them, to the point that when we're having the

639
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,559
full on shootdown, it's like, oh my god, I don't

640
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,599
want to lose anyone because I know their story now.

641
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,799
I felt like, other than like like who's like the

642
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,480
who's like our main cast, who's like not in like

643
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:57,400
the final group, Like after after Stack like breaks out

644
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,519
of the room, he leaves, it's like our remain team.

645
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,839
It's it's Lisa Chow right, because at that point I

646
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,319
think Bow or I think Bo might still be there

647
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,200
at that point.

648
00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: No, no, he's still in there when he's dead because

649
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,839
he's like, we don't want to be a part of this,

650
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,440
and or she says that to him, He's like, right, yeah,

651
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,319
I can't leave right, We can't leave him right now,

652
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,480
and she's like, we agreed to help him out. We

653
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:21,680
got a daughter, we gotta go, and he's like yeah, right.

654
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,000
The second she mentions the daughter, he's like, even though

655
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,400
I want to help my friends, we should get the

656
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,000
fuck out of here. So that's when they just think

657
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:27,839
Stac is dad.

658
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,759
Speaker 2: Okay, what's going Yeah.

659
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: My point is just like I feel like majority of

660
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:35,920
the characters that we care about are like in that

661
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,000
final room, and it just felt like a lot of

662
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,400
our vampire threats, which by the end was a lot,

663
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,160
like I'm pretty sure they got like pretty much every

664
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,319
single person that left right, like they had a big

665
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:51,400
circle going on. They were like celebrating the Mayflower Queen.

666
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:54,960
It looked like at some point when they're dancing around there, Oh.

667
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,559
Speaker 1: God, that's what that seems horrifying, the dance and stuff,

668
00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:01,559
And for me that's oh, it's you take out the

669
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,680
vampire stuff. It's not really creepy at all, but it's

670
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,000
just like this cult creepiness. You got Jack O'Connell just

671
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,000
doing his like Irish shuffle or whatever, Like I guess

672
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,720
I have seen I've heard this guy being a great

673
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640
actor before I've only seen him in one thing called

674
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,559
uh what is it? Eaton Lake? It's a move with Fastbender.

675
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,000
He's really good. He's like this shit kid who's like

676
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:24,480
a villain. He's like a little serial killer and he's

677
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:26,640
like this is when he's like young Young But that's

678
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,039
the only thing I've heard him in. And then I've

679
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,640
always always be in fan guys to see like Jack O'Connell.

680
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,519
Jack O'Connell. He was in Skins too, Okay, that's why

681
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,200
people must love him too. But I'm always like, who

682
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,559
is this guy? After this, I'm like, Okay, I know

683
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,200
who the fuck this guy was, because I thought he

684
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,160
was he was great because he was like a villain.

685
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,079
But he's super charming and charismatic and just even when

686
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:49,759
like I hate to say it, but when he did

687
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:51,599
that speech to the end of like why should turn,

688
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,119
I was like, oh, fuck, you sold me, you know,

689
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,920
especially in this time when he's like you have all

690
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,640
this money, you this land, but are you actually free?

691
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,400
Like are they just gonna come back and take it

692
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,279
all from you again? So it's like that's not kind

693
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:06,880
of like that he was like trying to pitch them of,

694
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,799
like I don't care who you are. I don't care

695
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:11,039
if you white, black, Asian. It's like, let's just all

696
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:13,319
be together now. Of course it's like sinister and devils

697
00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:15,640
and stuff. But like I didn't think his pitch was

698
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,079
that he sold me. I was like, you know what,

699
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,039
he might have a point here. It looked like Stack

700
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:20,839
ended up being pretty happy at the end. I'm just

701
00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:22,519
gonna just gonna say that.

702
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: So that's right, he's gonna hear Halee Steinfeld with him.

703
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,319
Speaker 1: That's why for eternity, for what a deal? What a deal?

704
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Never aging?

705
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: You know, they're always fuck The sun doesn't matter. I

706
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:33,680
don't got the.

707
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 4: Sun, just just closing out my my thoughts for what

708
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:39,039
I was trying to get across there though, I I

709
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:42,400
it just seemed like like the big Last Stand, it

710
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,640
was pretty much just zombies or not zombies. I guess

711
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,559
they're vampires, but like it's just a big horde of

712
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,119
vampires that like I didn't know who they were, Like

713
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,640
they were just the people at the party.

714
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: Harry Steinfeld. What do I keep saying? Harry Steinfeld? Harry Steinfeld,

715
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,559
Michael B. Jordan Like corn.

716
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,279
Speaker 1: Bread for sure, corn bread. He was great and like

717
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,039
I like that scene of just like, oh, we make

718
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,519
enough money, maybe a wifle sucker becker and he's like

719
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:10,519
that's what I'm gonna knock the black red off of you.

720
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,880
And then she's like how much is it? I went

721
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,799
to a first, and then he's like, all right, it's

722
00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:15,880
just then it's like, okay, And even though you're right,

723
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,319
it's on the main cast I because I'm trying to

724
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,160
think there's anyone else in that. So for me, I know,

725
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,240
I was investing the husband, so the four like mister Chow,

726
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:27,000
so that's for and then I'm not invested because he's

727
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,640
a good guy, but the villain I have up there

728
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,079
because I'm just like want to see what the hell

729
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:32,000
he does? You know, I don't know. I don't care

730
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,680
if planned couple. But yeah, we got some heroes on

731
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,680
that side that didn't make it. You know.

732
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,599
Speaker 4: It was just tough because it seemed like it was

733
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,920
the build up to like basically Storming the Beaches moment,

734
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,480
where like this is the big they break through. The

735
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,119
movies not end until we're dead or they're dead, Like

736
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,079
this is the last stand moment, and right before it happens,

737
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:52,079
I'm like, how the fuck are they gonna win? This

738
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:55,200
like they don't have any guns. They're like, what's well,

739
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,000
I actually it's a life. They have a couple of guns,

740
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:00,759
it's just not enough to like really do damage. But

741
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,640
I'm like, the second they get through that door, man,

742
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,319
like they're gonna get like one person. That person's gonna

743
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,319
turn to a vampire and then they're gonna turn on them.

744
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,920
And it's just it just didn't seem like it was

745
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,440
gonna be a realistic, like final stand for what I

746
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,480
would have expected to happen, because I figured they would

747
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,920
have just got wiped out instantly, Like that's just not entertaining.

748
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,759
Plus there's whole time left on the clock.

749
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,799
Speaker 1: But this rolls credit as they're all like they're all

750
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:23,480
happy together.

751
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah see.

752
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,599
Speaker 1: And that's why I compare to Jangle because that's the

753
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:28,880
same thing where it's like Djangle goes in this mansion

754
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,359
and he takes on like thirty people and same thing.

755
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680
He doesn't win, right, they capture him. But I think

756
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,279
it works better there because it's like more comedic. So

757
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,039
it's just like, ah, this is more dramatic, right, so

758
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,160
you're you're not really thinking that way. But that's why

759
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,599
that third act reminded me of Django going in there

760
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,599
and just like like how many bulls does he have?

761
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:48,960
How many guys are in this mansion? But Jangle's going

762
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,599
through he's like jumping through doors. Yeah, he's jumping through

763
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:55,640
the doors like he's just destroying people. I had issues

764
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,039
with that scene overall, because I agree. I love the

765
00:32:58,039 --> 00:33:02,519
bill Up. I love when you can tell Missus show's

766
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,960
like she's gonna fucking invite them and you're just like,

767
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,000
oh my god, like don't in. They're like they're all

768
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,759
getting that feeling. She's making Maltov cocktails, like what are

769
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,160
you doing? And then when she's just like get the

770
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,519
fuck in here. A great shot of Jack O'Connell when

771
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,920
it's like there's like it's just him on the beach

772
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,119
and there's like smoke behind him and he just smiles

773
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,599
and his eyes, which I appreciate because not to the

774
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,200
same degree but in Taylor and Kirklan can notify. This

775
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,200
is when we were doing Adrenochroma, I was like, one

776
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,319
of my inspirations for Hunter was the wolf from Put

777
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,279
Some Boots, and Ryan Coogler said that's what his one

778
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:38,160
of the inspirations for the Eyes when he saw put

779
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,119
Some Boots he's like I want the vampires to have

780
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,960
those eyes. But that shot when she says come in

781
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,519
the fucking here and he's just smiling, it's like that

782
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,880
sigh of relief, like oh good, I'm gonna sit here

783
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,799
all night, and then boom. My problem was like, yes,

784
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,839
it was the way they I wish they did something

785
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:59,279
where because she throws that cocktail and he just like

786
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,839
throws that out of like doesn't do anything. I wish

787
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,440
there was a way where it in my head to

788
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,680
make that seem a bit better. You throw that cocktail

789
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,480
and that kind of keeps some of them out right,

790
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,199
like obviosly's not gonna kill them, but maybe then only

791
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,239
a few come in at instead of this being like

792
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,039
I'll say it's like I'll be nice. I'll say it's

793
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,639
like twenty four people. Let's say like two dozen vampires.

794
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,119
So and there's like, oh see, Michael B. Jordan, he's

795
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,239
worth like five guys, but like Delroy is a drunk,

796
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,440
you know, I don't know, Sam, he's not a fighter.

797
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,800
Michael B. Jordans keeps both Michael B. Jordans beat him

798
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,320
the fuck up multiple times in this movie, like handing

799
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,679
him this and that and stuff like that. But so

800
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,639
the built this scene is great, and my issue was

801
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,639
like there's I feel like there's multiple shots where they

802
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,920
show the vampires jumping onto people and they're attacking people

803
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,920
that like that have not been in this barn before,

804
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,599
like like other good guys that like where were they,

805
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,639
like i'd have This is why I legitimately this can't

806
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,199
go against my critiques because I have to rewatch it.

807
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,760
I just remember vampires jumping on people, being like, I

808
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,800
don't think they were with our crew, Like this doesn't

809
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,039
make sense, So that's more of a memory thing. But

810
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,559
there's stuff like, okay, when you said Annie was the

811
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:06,320
girl from looking right at the character name, so great scene.

812
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,960
They set that up right, hey if you And that

813
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,840
was all what a heartbring reveal. I didn't even clock that.

814
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,400
I should have went the small rock and I just

815
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,679
have a small baby when they do the light yours

816
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,320
babies when he goes to see her, and there's more

817
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,000
about her with the voodo stuff. I going aain too.

818
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,440
But there's like that little memorial stuff. At first I

819
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,559
thought that might be his dad's right, because they set

820
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,719
up that his dad they killed his dad or his

821
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,280
dad died or whatever, it's like okay. But then the

822
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,639
second you know they get that they obviously they have

823
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,920
a connection. Still they make love and then later on

824
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,360
when they reveal they had a kid together and she

825
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,760
says like, hey, I got some way from me on

826
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,760
the side. You do too, and they should have flashedback.

827
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,199
It's the rock with the little hand form, like holy shit.

828
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,519
And then she's like, don't let me become one of

829
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,320
those things. So when he kills her, he's killing her great,

830
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,960
see I'm not shouldn't laugh, Like fantastic acting by them both.

831
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,119
But then for some reason, Haley's signing film returning like

832
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,800
we gotta get out of here, we gotta go. The

833
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,400
sun's not coming up at all, Like where do you

834
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,960
gotta go? There's in that scene, there's multiple kind of

835
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,800
plot armor. Elma, I wish like just do something here

836
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,920
and something that like I shouldn't laugh, but like so

837
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,960
missus child, she throws a cocktail. Great, she runs, takes

838
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,559
down one and then herself get sets on fire and

839
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,519
we just got multiple shots going and she's on fire

840
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,719
killing one vampire. I know, granted, but at least like

841
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,079
make her sacrifice take down a couple because here's the

842
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,920
thing too. Her whole plot is I gotta I guess

843
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,360
she just wants to kill him, right, But it's just

844
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,880
like I gotta get back to my daughter or some

845
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,000
of my daughters. It just feels like, yeah, you killed

846
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,079
your husband, but it's just for me. It was funny

847
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,440
when they kept going back to her and it was

848
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:41,239
just one of them. But still the same time, it's

849
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,400
very intense, like it shot very well. It's very dramatic

850
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,960
and like kind of emotional times like that. But I

851
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,519
just thought, like, oh, this is all you got. Like

852
00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,559
everyone else is fighting multiple vampires and here you are

853
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:53,000
just burning yourself alive.

854
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 4: It's like she started this whole fucking thing, like like

855
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,400
she's killing all these people.

856
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think there's parts of the scene. I

857
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,239
think the filmmaking of the scene is great, like shots, wise, music,

858
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,000
build up, everything like that. But I think there's some

859
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,639
uh of the writing or just story beats that didn't

860
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:14,920
make sense for me, and that's that's probably I still

861
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,920
like that portion, but it's probably the weakest part for

862
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,360
me because there's a couple times that took me out

863
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,440
of like they said, I don't remember that guy. Why

864
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,000
she doing this? Why did Michael B. Jordan, Haley Steinfeld

865
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,480
just run off in the middle of this attack like

866
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,559
they had them did the rights. Michael B. Jordan just

867
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,159
sitting there crying, like just pounce on your brother and

868
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:32,239
you got I know, it just felt very even though

869
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,119
I love. At some point they get up and they

870
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,000
open this door and it's just great, like music cute.

871
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,880
It's almost a jump scare and it's Remick and he's

872
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,280
like sermy and he just jumps so and he grabstanding

873
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,039
by the face. He's like, oh my. So that's the thing.

874
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:45,960
It's like every time there's like I have something that's

875
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,840
an issue, there's like three things that I love in

876
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,360
the scene.

877
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,679
Speaker 2: So no, it's it's totally fair.

878
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,519
Speaker 4: I was right there with you though, with the uh

879
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:56,000
Michael by Jordan Haley just like get up and run away.

880
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:57,559
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck is happening here?

881
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

882
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:03,119
Speaker 4: The whole goal is to like take these people, but

883
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:06,280
they're they're just gonna bow out here, recoup, and then

884
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,000
they just like, well, I guess I'm a little fuzzy

885
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:12,440
on what happens after that, because at what point does

886
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:12,840
Michael B.

887
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: Jordan get Michael B. Jordan and then like with the

888
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,519
steak and then.

889
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,039
Speaker 1: Well, that's the top, so that's when they get upstairs.

890
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:22,800
It's him, Sammy and I can't remember the lady.

891
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,519
Speaker 2: Who was the Perlene I think is her name?

892
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,199
Speaker 1: Was it Pearlene? Yeah, because that's another actress I was.

893
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,800
I have to look up and see because I know

894
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,920
her from somewhere. Yeah, Pearline, they're all together. She gets bit.

895
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,280
But yeah, when that door opens, here he goes, oh, Sammy,

896
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,800
it's those two up top, Michael, and so I don't

897
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,320
know where Seinfeld went in that moment, uh, but yeah,

898
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,760
it's they were up there. And then that's when you

899
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,320
didn't get the reveal that Smokes didn't kill Stack and

900
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,519
that that like off seconds later on. So yeah, it's

901
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,039
up top when they're trying to make their escape, Michael

902
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,280
B Jordan bat you know, Stack and Remick was just

903
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,960
sitting up there waiting for an open to strike.

904
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 4: So okay, yeah, it was a little bit. I mean,

905
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,039
there's just so much going on in those serios. I

906
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:10,480
also just what's his name, the harmonica piano player? Something

907
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:14,440
Slim Dealt the Slim I think is his name. I

908
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,559
loved him throughout the whole movie. I like, he was great, Yeah,

909
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,760
does he get bit in the fight? Like why does

910
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,320
he sacrifice himself there? I was so confused. And then

911
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,320
he like slices his arm and he's like, gon't get it,

912
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,079
and he's just like sprints or the vampires.

913
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:31,079
Speaker 2: I keep saying zombiously.

914
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: I did think he was gonna blow something up, but

915
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:35,360
I think he was just trying to get the Horde

916
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,440
onto him because they're still hungry vampires, right.

917
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: And then okay, but like thirty second delay and then

918
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,400
they just go up the stairs because there's like t

919
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:44,760
many floors.

920
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,119
Speaker 2: I just I was chuckling on myself in that.

921
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:50,159
Speaker 4: Moment because he like, he's like, everybody go upstairs, and

922
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:51,840
they're like no, like come with us. He's like, no,

923
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,159
I got this, and he just slices his arm and

924
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:58,280
then yeah, less than a minute later, we're upstairs again.

925
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,639
Speaker 1: But I I didn't know this. The girl that plays

926
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:06,599
what is it their pearline, she's the fucking Bella Reale

927
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,199
from the Batman, like the one that's running for mayor,

928
00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:14,639
the new mayor. She gets shot. Yeah, I don't remember

929
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:16,639
who she was, but she's the in the She's the

930
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,920
in the woman can't really like. But she's also in

931
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,360
eggar Wright's Running Man that comes up next to Glenn

932
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,400
pal so she's breaking out big time. But now, yeah,

933
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:27,719
I didn't even clock. I just whole movie. I'm like,

934
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,920
I've seen this one before. Yeah is that? And that

935
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,039
makes sense because I've watched The Batman multiple times and

936
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:33,719
that was actually the only second thing she ever did

937
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,039
was The Batman, So I've seen it so many times.

938
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,800
I was like, where is this person? But yeah that

939
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,320
I liked her a lot. I'm again looking forward to

940
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,360
see what all she does in the future. I liked

941
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,360
their lot lots of affairs going on here. You know,

942
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Haley Steinfield's married, Pearline's married. But I like right away

943
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,320
where they're flirting at the train station, she's like, you know,

944
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,440
I'm married, don't get any ideas, and she walks away

945
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,239
and there's just like that glance between the two and

946
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,880
happily yeah, yeah, yeah, happily Yeah. I love the love

947
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,360
making scene for the I thought was good dramatic wise,

948
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,719
but also just comedy wise of you know, listen to

949
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,000
my cousin. You see what he's getting that.

950
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,199
Speaker 4: It's what's her name? Like, yeah, missus Chow is like,

951
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,519
and then she's just Missus. Chow also like that actress.

952
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,239
She was fantastic for me the whole film. I I like,

953
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,440
she doesn't do that much like on her own, but

954
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:23,840
just like the way that she like lifts every scene

955
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,360
that she she's in was just fantastic. I think both

956
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,480
her and mister Chowd they just felt like very real

957
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,440
type of like just well written people are like like

958
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:35,880
characters for not being your mains. Like they just felt

959
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,840
very very realistic. I love the scenes like early on

960
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,480
when they're when they're dealing with smoke, and like like

961
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:48,079
with the daughter, dynamic and just excellent filmmaking. The way

962
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:51,159
that like they they have, Like the camera follows missus

963
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,719
Oh no, it's the daughter at that point, it goes

964
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,599
to the one store hands and then they switch and

965
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,000
then it follows her back. It's just like, man, this

966
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:59,320
is just such a well crafted piece of cinema.

967
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: Here second she out of that restaurant, I'm like, oh,

968
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,119
they're doing a Wanner right here. It's like not a

969
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:04,679
bad thing, but you could just feel like the way

970
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,639
they set up the camera and everything went around, I'm like, oh,

971
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:08,679
they're gonna do Wonner and they did. I was gonna say,

972
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,840
did you ever end up seeing Babylon a couple of

973
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,559
years ago with Margot Robbie and other Nipple, the actress

974
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:16,719
that plays missus Chaw. She's in there is Margot Robbie's

975
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,920
girlfriend for like a segment of the field. Like no,

976
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,599
I like from a like a segment meaning maybe like

977
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:24,159
act too. But yeah, if you ever watched that, that's

978
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,800
something to keep right because yeah, she's really good. Yeah,

979
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,000
there's just a lot of really good people in this

980
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,679
goddamn movie, you know. So yeah, I didn't have the

981
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,119
same problem with the Delta Swim, but I'm not saying

982
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:36,840
here again it's like the Michelle thing. I wish the

983
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,320
sacrifice meant a little bit more of, you know, instead

984
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,880
of just the husband take up multiple instead of just

985
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:45,480
like because it wasn't a moment where they need to

986
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,400
get away per se, like of course they need to

987
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,360
get away, but just something where That's why I thought,

988
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,079
because he had the liquor and he was by the liquor,

989
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,920
I thought he was like lighting that place up. So

990
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,079
it's like, okay, this makes sense, get them on you

991
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:57,559
then boom power keg and at least are on fire.

992
00:42:57,559 --> 00:42:59,400
They're running around, like I could see that that's a

993
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,760
good diversion of him, like these vampires on fire, but

994
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,880
that didn't like he bought them sometime of course, but

995
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:09,719
uh uh, but yeah, great character Tellroy Linda Lindo is like,

996
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,159
he's such a really great character actor. But from the

997
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,920
moment we meet him, I can't say he's the heart

998
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,400
of a movie because that's probably God, what's the cousin Sammy? Sam?

999
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,159
That's probably Sammy. But if it's like number two and

1000
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,000
even it's tough not to say it for smokes that

1001
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,280
there's multiple characters have that. But all the way from

1002
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,719
we meet him outside to him telling his story and

1003
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,079
tell him like get off the corner because it's my spot,

1004
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:34,079
and how he's not gonna leave his job to like

1005
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:36,119
the story with his dad and the story about his

1006
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,880
slave years, and all the way through like man, and

1007
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,639
he just seemed like a guy you'd want to hang

1008
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,400
out with, you know, when he relieves a corn right

1009
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,559
off his post and everything like that. He's just cracking

1010
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:48,480
jokes and just but but the second he gets serious,

1011
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:50,119
I like that. Other than at one point he said

1012
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,760
he shoot himself. I didn't need that joke. That didn't. Uh,

1013
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,000
that didn't work for me because he's with the vampires,

1014
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,239
but on that he cracks and he's completely serious and yeah,

1015
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,639
great character here.

1016
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 4: So yeah it uh it just makes his send off

1017
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,639
that much harder for me to swallow. You just fantastic

1018
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,039
moments throughout the whole film for him, and as you

1019
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:14,039
already mentioned, just like when they're driving, it's Sammy Stack

1020
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,639
and himself for driving, and they go across they like

1021
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:19,079
come across the chain gang, you know, working on like

1022
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:20,639
on the side of the road there, and then that's

1023
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:22,440
when he like goes into just a little more backstory.

1024
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: And just.

1025
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,119
Speaker 4: Like that, I feel like that is like where like

1026
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,760
a director like Coogler is just like shining so much

1027
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,119
more as opposed to someone else that just does like

1028
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:37,840
a generic action movie because like you just don't get

1029
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,280
those like really powerful scene because like that doesn't have

1030
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,440
any to do with vampires, you know what I mean. So,

1031
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,079
like so in the early film, when we're getting all

1032
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:49,280
this like supplement for these characters, all all the backstory,

1033
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,360
I'm just like, man, like I want to watch a

1034
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,000
twenty four episode season of these guys and just like

1035
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,960
their adventures. I love all these characters, so and then

1036
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,679
and then we get to the third act and just

1037
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,480
vampires now, and we're just gonna this is how we

1038
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:02,760
kill off every character it's in this movie. And I

1039
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,960
think it was just like that more than what happened

1040
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,800
with the vampires is what I just am upset about. Yeah,

1041
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,360
but it was the decision that was made.

1042
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,119
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, no, it's it. It's a vampire movie,

1043
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:18,400
so that's where it's yeahs now going back right.

1044
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: And I also very wish I didn't see the trailer

1045
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,599
before this one, especially.

1046
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: Trailer with the Michael B. Jordan turn.

1047
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, I couldn't remember what trailer was specifically, but

1048
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,159
I'm like, man, if I got like going into this

1049
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,079
movie and then I learned a little bit more vampires,

1050
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,360
and then I'm like, man, hopefully nothing happens to either

1051
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,079
one of these brothers, and you don't know which one

1052
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,199
it could be, but it's like, well, it's stack kids,

1053
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,199
It's shown in the fucking trailer, So I'm just waiting

1054
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,079
for that moment to happen the whole movie. Yeah, Yeah,

1055
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,639
that was pretty agreed. The other one, too, that really

1056
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,599
bugged me was the trailer scene that got me really

1057
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,400
really hyped is Michael B. Jordan rocking that Tommy gun?

1058
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,079
And he doesn't fucking have that gun through the whole film.

1059
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:57,119
So I'm like, was that just like a fake scene

1060
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:58,800
that they added the trailer? And then of course at

1061
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,880
the end him and Sammy pulling out this crate. I'm like,

1062
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,039
for fox sakes, he's gonna pull up the Tommy gun here,

1063
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:05,800
He's gonna light up some some clan members, which is great,

1064
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,480
you know, they deserve it, but like, fuck it just yeah,

1065
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,079
a little a little upset about that one. So trailer

1066
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,440
not to the level for no way home for me,

1067
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,880
but uh or far way far away from far far

1068
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,119
far from home. Yeah, shouts out to that one, that

1069
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:21,280
that one scarred me for life.

1070
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, the first one was just more teaser,

1071
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,599
and then that one gave me way too much a

1072
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:27,360
way if I has Kougar would have been pissed at

1073
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,960
least Michael B. Jordan part right, I get the Tommy

1074
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,039
gun one because it's like Michael B. Jordan, he's looking

1075
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:35,159
shot yet in the theater. Get him on there, you know,

1076
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,920
so uh and yeah that that was an interesting scene,

1077
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,280
Like this scene this movie reminds me of you know,

1078
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,079
Returning the King. You got like five different endings here,

1079
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,960
but that scene alone is great where yeah, they had

1080
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,239
this meeting with uh uh maybe or maybe not member

1081
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,920
of the clan. He's that doesn't work down here, calls

1082
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,960
them boys. Oh no, that's just the way we speak.

1083
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Don't worry, like I don't mean anything by it. But

1084
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,199
he shows up with again it's like the vampires like,

1085
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,239
and I'm seeing him out of clan members where I'm like,

1086
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,960
how is Michael by Jordan gonna get out of this?

1087
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:05,039
And it's not just like they're there. They're there with

1088
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,239
guns like they have a lot of but it's.

1089
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: Red Redemption one, you know it is.

1090
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: But Michael Jordan wins. He pretty much he kills them

1091
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,239
at least you know where rip to John Marston, but

1092
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:18,639
he's like just in the bush of a sniper in

1093
00:47:18,639 --> 00:47:20,880
the dirties hell the Tommy gun. Yeah, he kills them all,

1094
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,920
gets a cigarette. But that's where like again with it

1095
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,639
on the Spiritual Sensus movie when they talked about earlier

1096
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:28,000
and he's like, oh, you know, I got some way

1097
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,880
from me on their side when he sat down, he

1098
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,440
just looked over and saw her holding like their child

1099
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,960
that they lost. I didn't actually choke up, but he

1100
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,440
got me like, man, this is like a this is

1101
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,039
a fucking powerful ending right here, Like this is good stuff.

1102
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:42,679
Which again they're like, you don't get that in like

1103
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,079
a vampire slasher movie. Like again, I will walk that

1104
00:47:47,199 --> 00:47:49,880
back Golden Geek's Winner. I do think nos Ratu did

1105
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,599
that right. I'm not saying people, I'm saying but nos

1106
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,000
Fratt too. I think ended in a way like that

1107
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:55,880
where it's like, oh, this is very powerful, deep ending

1108
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,840
with how you know, nos rot who's taken care of

1109
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,599
so again, other than I'll take out Rob Ergers nos Ratu,

1110
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,440
these type of movies you don't get like a huge

1111
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,880
character moment like that that makes sense and it's touching

1112
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,800
and it's it's he's on a suicide mission there, you know,

1113
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,800
because when he sits down, he's rolling his cigarette and

1114
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,880
he rips off that thing that I can't remember what

1115
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,559
they called it.

1116
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: I think it was the mojo in the mojo.

1117
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they've kind of establishes whatever she is, girlfriend, wife,

1118
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,760
love or whatever, the person he wants to be with

1119
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,679
is dabbling some sort of voodoo, you know, something, some

1120
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,760
magic and everything like that. So She's given him this mojo,

1121
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,039
even to the point where later on Stack tries to

1122
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,480
bite Smoke and it doesn't work. It's almost like a

1123
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:41,480
cross on his neck that's like stopping him from doing that.

1124
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,840
But when he rips off that that thing, it's like,

1125
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,239
oh man, he of course he wants to kill these

1126
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,440
CLAM members, but he's just looking to die. He's looking

1127
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,039
for a reason to die here. And yeah, no, I

1128
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,159
thought that was great. I don't know how I feel

1129
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,840
about now with the other endings we've gotten, but I

1130
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,760
need to again, that's somewhere I need to sit on

1131
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,360
because I think it's a powerful moment. And then off

1132
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,000
Steel to Ankratz Layer. You got like another moment later on,

1133
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:05,320
but uh, and then you got another moment with Samy.

1134
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,199
There's a lot, Like I said, there's lots of stuff

1135
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,800
going on, but I thought that was a grate full

1136
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,400
circle for that character. So yeah, it was a great

1137
00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:13,880
end for me.

1138
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then like really really beautiful touching scene.

1139
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: I loved it.

1140
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 4: And then I just I hated how it like quickly

1141
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,960
shoots back to that remaining member.

1142
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,159
Speaker 2: He's like, I got money.

1143
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1144
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 4: It's like, what why even have him speak in this moment,

1145
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,880
like just fucking let like he should have bled out already.

1146
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: It should have just been Michael B.

1147
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,039
Speaker 4: Jordan's seeing his is what could have been and then

1148
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:36,880
just fade away, Like I feel like that would have

1149
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,840
been such a better moment. Uh, even even the part

1150
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,400
when uh he shoots him, then he asked him for

1151
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,039
a cigarette, and then he's like fuck off, you know,

1152
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,119
he says a racial slur, whatever the fuck he says

1153
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:50,280
to him, and then like a second later, he just

1154
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,519
like pulls out a cigarette. He's like, here you go. Yeah,

1155
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,199
it just seems so clunky. I'm splitting hairs here.

1156
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: It's not a big thing.

1157
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,599
Speaker 1: But he did do that at the beginning though, right

1158
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:59,320
because he did say kind of like he was gonna

1159
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,760
sell him the place, and then they kind of looked

1160
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,800
at him sideway it's like, okay, well, you know it's

1161
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,599
yours if you want it, but I just need the money.

1162
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:06,920
So I think they're just trying to say that like

1163
00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:11,360
he's he's he's a racist piece of shit, but he's

1164
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,400
still cowered at the like anytime he gets pressed, like okay, no,

1165
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,639
I'll like you doesn't matter that you're not white. I'll

1166
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:18,559
come to you, But I did appreciate him just getting

1167
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:20,239
fucking just loaded up.

1168
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:21,079
Speaker 2: With that's fair.

1169
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: You didn't miss not a single one of those missed. Uh,

1170
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:28,239
tough way to go out.

1171
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: So cool.

1172
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: Uh.

1173
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 4: We kind of heard about Steinfeld a little bit. I

1174
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,360
was really just intrigued. I think by the setup I

1175
00:50:37,519 --> 00:50:39,440
saw her in the trailers. I didn't know what was

1176
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,400
her inclusion was gonna be, but I like everything in

1177
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,599
the first act, Like, I was just totally loving the

1178
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,800
backstory there. How there was there was history like built up,

1179
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,760
some some tension, but some history, like how she kind

1180
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,400
of like they detail why she's so close with everyone

1181
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,840
in this community. And yeah, I was totally just in

1182
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,320
aged and under the false narrative that she was really

1183
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,760
not gonna kick the bucket that early. But man, she

1184
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,519
goes out to see the fucking the trio playing their

1185
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:13,840
little fiddles there, and yeah, it's quite a way to go.

1186
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,559
I really like how it was shot too, how she

1187
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,679
like almost gets out of there and then it like

1188
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:20,679
he just like leaps and then it cuts like, oh man,

1189
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,840
just really really great because you don't really see a

1190
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,760
lot of like the takedowns from the vampires. It's like

1191
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,840
like quick shot and then you just see them later on,

1192
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,679
and then of course it's like, okay, Cornbread, there's no

1193
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,079
way he fucking got out of that situation, you know

1194
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:36,159
what I mean, like like he's coming up to the door.

1195
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure had somewhere. But they did a

1196
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:42,039
good job of just building the tension with that.

1197
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 4: But yeah, with with Haley's character there, I was I

1198
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,360
was pretty surprised to see her go that early, and

1199
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,039
it was I mean, that's really just what gets us going.

1200
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:55,480
And then of course Stack he takes one last ride,

1201
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:57,599
and yeah, at.

1202
00:51:57,559 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: Least as a human though I'm sure he's taking more

1203
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,199
rides and the past, like it's true fifty seventy years

1204
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,519
and whatnot. But yeah, one because in case we never

1205
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,880
talked about love the corn bread where it's the fireflies

1206
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,440
and you kind of see the eyes there. That was

1207
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,719
a great moment there, And I liked that character to

1208
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,719
these fun comedic relief that not like feeling like comedice

1209
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,960
relief like oh here he comes there, like very natural

1210
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,760
situational humors. That worked. Steinfeld. That's what confused me because

1211
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,800
I knew again Becausetralia's I knew she was becoming a

1212
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,119
vampire at some point, so obviously later on I did

1213
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:30,360
figure it out because I'm just like, hey, well vampires,

1214
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,280
it can't be in daylight, but you never know vampire

1215
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,119
rules and what they're doing, right, And she was weren't

1216
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,119
happy when I saw the train station. I'm like, Okay,

1217
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,400
she already a vampire or she like affiliated with these

1218
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,159
vampires and stuff like that, because I'm trying to make

1219
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:43,239
the connection of what I've seen in marketing and everything,

1220
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,320
because all we've seen is hers vampire and her looking

1221
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,039
really hot, right, And that's one thing where, don't get

1222
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,199
me wrong, they got her saying some wild shit in

1223
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,719
here about steel and pussy and you know, you fucked

1224
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,559
me so good, Like she's got a dirty mouth. But she,

1225
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,519
for the most part, i'd say, for Act one and

1226
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:02,280
a half too, is like I won't say prim and proper,

1227
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:08,039
but like a a nice younger woman who like, yeah,

1228
00:53:08,159 --> 00:53:10,840
can be crass, can't throw it down, but she is

1229
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,360
more just, uh, i'd say, approachable and more regular where

1230
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,679
once that happens everybody, But in the marketing, I just

1231
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,119
feel like they kept showing her dancing and looking really hot,

1232
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,239
like just a sex pot, right, But like that's what

1233
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,039
i'd say, is she's not a sex pot character until

1234
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:27,239
she becomes a vampire. Yeah, And that's where from an

1235
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,119
acting standpoint, like that too, because I feel like you

1236
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:32,199
see the more normal regular, the person you could, you know,

1237
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,480
have a heartfelt feeling towards She's just lost her mother,

1238
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,320
she is married. But this is a guy that said,

1239
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,840
like a very confusing conversation I was trying to figure

1240
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,159
out where you know. She's like, oh, you said you

1241
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:44,440
love me. He's like, well, you didn't listen to what

1242
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,119
else I said. And she's like, well, yeah, he told

1243
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:47,920
me to leave me to fuck her alone. And he's like, yeah,

1244
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,360
she'd listen to that. But then later on we hear

1245
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,519
some they're talking again and she's made something might be

1246
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,719
Jordan said like he'd be back for so sounds like

1247
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,360
they had a very rocky relationship at some point. But

1248
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,599
you know, I can look past some of the okay,

1249
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,760
what's going on here because that happens with many people.

1250
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,960
But that's what I enjoyed was the differences of her

1251
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,440
as with the vampire, because like, we we get to

1252
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,320
see that with Stack a bit, but I feel like

1253
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,079
he disappears. Steinfeld's the most you get to see with

1254
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:19,000
okay before Vampire and after Vampire, And like I said,

1255
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,880
I was not really expecting any of this character. I

1256
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,079
wasn't expecting my Michael B. Jordan's character to have like

1257
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:25,960
a one that got away or anything like that, especially

1258
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:28,000
from her, so and I thought they had good chemistry

1259
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,280
and uh yeah, very great moment of the sex scene

1260
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,159
into that because you just don't know when it's gonna happen.

1261
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:35,920
At one point, she like pushes his neck back, but

1262
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,920
she just kisses him and just like such like a

1263
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:42,360
good like she's drooling and they established it earlier because

1264
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,920
Remick he's drooling when he's about to bite her and

1265
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,760
that goes away, but she's drooling and then Michael Jordan's

1266
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,599
kind of like what the fuck's going on? But then

1267
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,760
she like turns into a sex scene I want something

1268
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,320
like yeah, and then they started doing it's like yeah.

1269
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,119
I was like, oh that was so good though, because

1270
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:58,079
he has no idea. He's just like in your fork

1271
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:00,400
moment of like oh, oh I love this person again

1272
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,760
because again she's married. And you know, I bought because

1273
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,119
I did not see that coming. I love that they

1274
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,519
tied up to that. These two brothers, they worked for

1275
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,760
al Capone, you know, one of the biggest gangsters. She's

1276
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,719
the one that found out because they say like, oh,

1277
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,039
we got liquor from cameras the Irish and someone else.

1278
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 2: The Italian wine, and then they had Irish beer.

1279
00:55:20,679 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's holy like you have this really rich stuff.

1280
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,880
Haley Seinfeld figure out that they pretty much just stole

1281
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,679
from multiple mobs, but then pinned it on each other

1282
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,800
and then they got out of there, right, so I

1283
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,840
bought the reasoning for both of them. Where Smoke was

1284
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,440
more centric on the cousin, kind of talking like he's

1285
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,880
telling him to go to buy you all stuff, it

1286
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,199
really just felt like he was trying to say, like,

1287
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,159
they don't want him around here because their life right

1288
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:45,400
like almost if it ever catches up to them, they

1289
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,559
don't want to be responsible for their cousin getting gunned

1290
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,079
down or anything like that. Smoke didn't phrase it that way.

1291
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,840
He was almost making it like, you know, talking down

1292
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,119
to him, but I feel like he meant that way.

1293
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:58,400
And then with Stack and Hay Seinfeld's character can't remember

1294
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:05,719
what was her name? Oh boy, Hay's character, Yeah, that's

1295
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,719
fucking time to be It's mery, Okay, and then with

1296
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,960
her I bought that too. Of Hey, they wanted to

1297
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,280
go out make a name for themselves, become free, get

1298
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,239
a bunch of money, and they couldn't be together. Whether

1299
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,000
it was because the crime, whether it's because the way

1300
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,000
people see her, which that's something that they only touched

1301
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:22,960
a little bit about this, but it is like a

1302
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:25,559
you know, I'm not trying to be like, oh, explain

1303
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:27,440
how it is. I just go from my experience of

1304
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,599
like with Kyle, he is a black dad and a

1305
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:33,199
white mom, and I had many conversations about that where

1306
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:36,039
when you have that or if people consider you like

1307
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,400
light skin, that can be like a form of racism

1308
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,480
within the race, like within that community of you know,

1309
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,199
everybody is with each other, but then it's like, oh,

1310
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,159
but you're not black enough, right, like you don't you know.

1311
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,079
And I'm not saying I'm not saying people whatever their

1312
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:50,960
experience is with that, but that's what they touched upon

1313
00:56:51,039 --> 00:56:53,320
this movie is multiple characters being like, oh, you don't

1314
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,239
really belong here. She's like, well, I'm half black, like

1315
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,679
my father was half black, Like I have that there.

1316
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,440
But even there's that great moment of when Remick and

1317
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,159
his little clam people are out there and like, oh,

1318
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,119
you can't come in. This is just for you know,

1319
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,000
people of ourll ill get to that, and he's like, well,

1320
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,639
how'd she get in? You know, and it's just like

1321
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:10,320
they're like, oh, like cause she's just like a couple

1322
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,719
of scenes ago talked about how people she is black

1323
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,159
and she's in this community, but people don't really accept

1324
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:19,760
her because she's not. She is more fierce skinned looking

1325
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,679
right z. Yeah. So then right away Remitt calls her

1326
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:25,119
out and you know, I'll see and he's like, oh,

1327
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:27,840
she's family, but she's like, oh, man, like hit right

1328
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,000
to the bone. So they didn't go too deep on that,

1329
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:31,639
but I appreciate that because I felt like, like we

1330
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:34,880
were talking about with Delta, I feel like that just

1331
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,400
gave me more little like three D demension, three third

1332
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,039
dimensional if I can say that, right of for the character,

1333
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:45,119
like what they're going through, right, it's not just oh,

1334
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:46,800
she's in love of Michael B. Jordan, Like you could

1335
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,960
easily do that right of long lost love, but it's like, oh,

1336
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,480
she feels like that way, but then she also has

1337
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,639
her own struggles on the side going on here, and

1338
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,760
she also lost her mom, so they just like layer

1339
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,920
all these characters with multi things where it's like, Okay,

1340
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,320
I have an idea of who Mary is now and

1341
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,639
what her struggle have been in this life and uh

1342
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,960
but yeah she also was just again poor. I wonder

1343
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,880
what Mary and uh god, what was a perme line?

1344
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,519
Was her character? Yeah? Per line? I wonder pearline. I

1345
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:13,599
wonder what their husbands think. You know, their wife's just

1346
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:17,159
went out, went from them, come back and not good stuff.

1347
00:58:17,239 --> 00:58:23,199
Speaker 2: So yeah, mess when they go check out the juke joint.

1348
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these clan members might be Jordan's. It's tough time,

1349
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:30,840
all these ash everywhere. But I digress. Let's say break,

1350
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,280
We'll be right back, and we're back. Where do you

1351
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,239
want to go next? Here?

1352
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,119
Speaker 2: Any characters we haven't touched upon?

1353
00:58:40,239 --> 00:58:43,679
Speaker 4: Yes, I guess they like the start of the movie

1354
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:49,440
starts with Sammy and his his father and they're Tarantinoism.

1355
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:51,519
Speaker 1: Start at the end, we're getting back to the beginning.

1356
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: You know, I really like the opening. I thought it

1357
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:54,719
was really good.

1358
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,079
Speaker 4: Get you it did like I didn't really react, even

1359
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:01,840
though it did get me, Like it got me internally,

1360
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,239
but I didn't jump physically, if that makes any sense.

1361
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:07,159
Speaker 1: I jumped because I was not it. I was not

1362
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,760
expected at Oh if people for some reasons don't watch

1363
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,079
the movie. Samy shows up, he's holding a guitar, his

1364
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:15,159
face just fucking slashed to god knows whatever, and he's

1365
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:17,079
going to a church. We don't know at this point.

1366
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:19,320
By this point as fall as the pastor. But as

1367
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,519
he's walking up, it's just like a big jump scare

1368
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:26,239
and flash of Jack O'Connell's remickage. And then the other

1369
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,880
ones didn't get me because I knew, okay, this is

1370
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,440
what they're doing with that first one. I was expecting that.

1371
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:31,800
I just know he's walking into church and he's talking

1372
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,840
to his dad or my Son'm like, okay, what's gonna happen?

1373
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,320
Then they just fucking got me. And yeah, before I

1374
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,559
forgot you mentioned that I absolutely loved the Jack O'Connell

1375
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:41,519
getting handy Steinfeld think he's like, oh, she's a way,

1376
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,960
and just to see him like flow, because again, you

1377
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,320
don't know what vampires do at all media Some fly,

1378
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,840
some disappear, some turn to bat So when it's like okay,

1379
00:59:49,079 --> 00:59:50,480
I know they're gonna get her, but house and then

1380
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,920
just like that little levitation of boom cut. There's another

1381
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,440
one it might have been with Cornbread too, where someone

1382
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,480
was saying something and they used it wasn't a jump scare,

1383
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,360
but they timed the sound to like Michael B.

1384
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: Jordan push through the door, Yeah, clever something.

1385
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, clever editing throughout. So yeah, it's back to Sammy

1386
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,039
and the church going from Yeah.

1387
01:00:09,039 --> 01:00:11,599
Speaker 4: I just thought it was a really really great setting

1388
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,440
the tone. It's funny because this is when I'm like

1389
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,159
going to the theater to see a vampire movie, and

1390
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:17,679
then everything after this, I'm like, I don't even want

1391
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:18,599
the vampire movie anymore.

1392
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: This is good stuff.

1393
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,159
Speaker 4: But I thought it was really a tone setter, especially

1394
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,679
for what's gonna happen later on. And it's always interesting

1395
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,199
when you get like an event like this happens, like

1396
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,679
let's just say any movie it starts, I guess. Another

1397
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:35,079
example that's just Randy popped my head is the First

1398
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,360
Strangers movie when it starts with like the phone call

1399
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:40,000
of like the chaos, yeah, and then and then the

1400
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:42,519
movie is before all of this chaos. Then you're like, Okay,

1401
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:44,960
something terrible is gonna happen. And then especially when they

1402
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,679
give us like the one day earlier, I'm like, Okay,

1403
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,440
this is the this is the set timeframe for this

1404
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,840
entire movie. It's gonna all happen in one day. So

1405
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,480
it's just I don't know. I I guess I just

1406
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:58,920
like adventures like that, and it's kind of a reoccurring

1407
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,199
thing I've noticed with vampire movies. I can't name many,

1408
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:04,079
but another one that comes to mine is from Dust

1409
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:07,880
Till Dawn. That's like another very similar just timeframe window

1410
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,880
where I guess it's in the name though of the title.

1411
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: Nostros had that too, right with the whole like they

1412
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,400
have like I'll be back in the third night or whatever.

1413
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,199
It was right, like, it didn't start that way, but

1414
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,400
midway nos Rot Duo gives his timeline of like I'm

1415
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,159
gonna be back on this scene, better be fucking me.

1416
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,159
Speaker 2: You know, they're very punctual and they're very like to

1417
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:25,320
their rules. These vampires. You know, they don't enter unless

1418
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:25,920
you invite the men.

1419
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back. I guess. I guess it's

1420
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,159
started with the Draguline novel. And that's fine, right because

1421
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:35,239
you know that. But for that, like, if I make

1422
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,400
a vampire movie, I don't think I'm putting that in there.

1423
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,119
I think it's the dumbest thing ever. It's just like

1424
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,679
they can do anything they want. They can fly, they

1425
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:45,239
can eat, but it's like they can't walk in a

1426
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,360
room unless you say you're invited, Like can they not

1427
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,079
go anywhere? Then? Like can they not go to McDonald's

1428
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:51,960
unless they ask the fucking chef that they're like, hey,

1429
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,239
can we come in? Like yeah, sure? Like it's just

1430
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,519
like the dumbest thing. And that's one point where I'd

1431
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,559
say a minor critique. I get why they had to

1432
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:03,480
do it, but felt almost like a I won't say

1433
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,639
scary movie, but a calmedy or a movie that took

1434
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:10,239
place in our day when something I was fine with. Okay,

1435
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,480
I can't remember what the first six Oh it was,

1436
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:16,000
hey Cipher, right, she's fucking eating him and everything like that.

1437
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:17,880
She gets shot like five times and then she just

1438
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,159
gets up and runs away, right, So I was like, okay, this,

1439
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,760
you know. And then oh Annie just says like, oh

1440
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,760
there's an evil in her, right, evils come back like that?

1441
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,199
That tracks for me. They she's into voodoo, doesn't know

1442
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:31,960
exactly what it is, but just knows it has like

1443
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,840
the devil's work, right, And then they talk about, oh

1444
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,159
you should, you know, move the Stack's body because some

1445
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,519
mad's gonna happen. They never do. I hate it in

1446
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:41,159
a good way. I hated people kept putting their eyes

1447
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:44,039
against that door because he just fucking stabbed. Right, get

1448
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,000
your eyeway from that hole. It never happened, but I

1449
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,960
thought for sure one of these characters was gonna get it,

1450
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,599
and I think that was the point of the scene.

1451
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:53,599
But anyway, so I think I can't remember when it happened.

1452
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:56,800
I think, does Stack get out of there before Cornbread

1453
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,039
comes back? Or no? I think it's after right, Stack's

1454
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,840
ran away or sax. No, he's still yeah, because he

1455
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,760
breaks out the room, he runs, and then corn Bread

1456
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:06,239
comes back.

1457
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 4: I think, right, yeah, yeah, because that's when like shit

1458
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:13,119
really gets going because he grabs his arm goes to shoot.

1459
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: Oh great scene when they's like, oh, just give me

1460
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,960
the money, and Michael B. Jordan's still kind of yeah.

1461
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,519
Oh no, I think Stack is still dead at this

1462
01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:21,960
point because he's just given him money for the night, right,

1463
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,880
because why would he be like he just saw his Yeah,

1464
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,280
he just saw his brother come back life. So I

1465
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,400
think he's still like, hey, weird. Shit's happening, but I

1466
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,880
know what's up corn Bread, and like Shiem says, like,

1467
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,360
why aren't you coming here? My problem with all this

1468
01:03:33,559 --> 01:03:35,679
was this happens, Like I said, great scene, he grabs

1469
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:37,480
the arm. You just see like this quick cut of

1470
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:40,119
corn Bread's face from the vampire gun shot to the head.

1471
01:03:40,119 --> 01:03:44,000
He gets out of there right close the door. And

1472
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:48,840
then we get to Anne, who just like just vampire

1473
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,159
exposition one oh one. It feels like it's a kid

1474
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,880
in twenty twenty. That's like watch a bunch of vampire movies,

1475
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,599
like they're like vampires. Yeah, what do we need? Well,

1476
01:03:57,639 --> 01:03:59,800
we got wood steaks, we got the clove of garlics,

1477
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,679
and you know, don't get me wrong, this is where

1478
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:03,840
I'll have to educate myself more. Maybe at this point

1479
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,679
already in nineteen thirty two, the myth of the vampire,

1480
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,280
like even like when when was like TRACKL was written

1481
01:04:09,559 --> 01:04:12,519
so long? All right, how long original novel? Like when

1482
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:13,239
did that come out?

1483
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: Very long time ago? Yeah, it's interesting even before.

1484
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:20,559
Speaker 1: Eighteen ninety seven.

1485
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, But you know what, this movie takes.

1486
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:25,639
Speaker 1: Place in nineteen thirty two. So to me, I don't care.

1487
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,519
Maybe people will say I'm wrong. But without social media

1488
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:31,039
and in and everything like that like that, that's only

1489
01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:33,800
like under forty years. I don't know if it's so

1490
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,039
well known that these are like garlic U Sun like

1491
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:41,320
that she knew everything. I get it, the idea as well,

1492
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,920
she's into that stuff, she would know. I guess it's

1493
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,239
just again speaking like Nonsparachi, the juxtaposition of we gotta

1494
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,960
find a professor like Will Nafoe knows everything and he

1495
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:52,440
takes days to keep looking into this, where she just, yeah,

1496
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,199
I know this, this this. It felt too easy, and

1497
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:57,760
I wish there was almost a way that they just

1498
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,840
did it, Like I get the invite you thing in

1499
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,119
because that's like a it was a good tension biller,

1500
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:05,159
and I thought those scenes were great, but the actual

1501
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:07,280
weapons of the steaks and the gar like and you know,

1502
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,039
I guess the garlic gave us that scene of them

1503
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,440
all going around and trying and like, you know, I

1504
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:14,440
thought that was funny enough. What did the blood end

1505
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:16,440
up being? Again, I can't.

1506
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 4: Remember, Uh, like a bottle of something because you lifted

1507
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:23,280
something up and it's like, oh, it came from this,

1508
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,719
but I can't remember exactly what it was. Yeah, So

1509
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,559
the poor fucker. Man, you just get knocked out, you

1510
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:32,280
get dragged out in the yard. It's like, come on, man,

1511
01:05:32,679 --> 01:05:35,760
I'm sorry. He has like no idea what's going on right,

1512
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,880
Like he's like, I'm sorry, but my tab like he's

1513
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,760
not saying anything vampire related, and then fucking cornbread takes

1514
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:42,559
a jump out of them.

1515
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. But like I said, yeah, that that for me

1516
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,280
didn't feel natural. Oh this is vampire. Here's everything noble vampire.

1517
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,880
It's like, Okay, that's feels like this should be like

1518
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,440
a modern day movie now. So I wish there was

1519
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:53,679
a way they could have tweaked that a bit.

1520
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 4: But I think in the moment, I was one hundred

1521
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,119
percent agreements with you. It's just like, oh, can we

1522
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:03,360
just like check box ree stereotypical like vampire rule right

1523
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,920
in here. But this is also a world that vampires

1524
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,800
are are real. I don't know how common they are.

1525
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,039
But like she's also kind of like a witch doctor

1526
01:06:11,079 --> 01:06:14,199
type thing, so like she you know, she's she's given

1527
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:17,639
like prescription medicine out to these these little children painter

1528
01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:21,039
with fake money. So I I think I just kind

1529
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,639
of let it let it go there. But the yeah,

1530
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,519
the execute, it's like Okay, at some point we're gonna

1531
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:28,920
have to detail the rules of vampires for anyone that

1532
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,159
doesn't know what a vampire is.

1533
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:33,039
Speaker 2: So it just kind of felt, okay.

1534
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,559
Speaker 4: Let's get through this skip skip cut scene please, Like.

1535
01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:41,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, any other characters in any other moments we

1536
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:46,239
haven't talked about, that's our note there. Finale's pretty good

1537
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,360
with you know, in the water. I think Remick is

1538
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,840
looking crazy. His nails are huge, and his teeth popping off,

1539
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,280
and then you get the guitar to the head and

1540
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,519
then they stab him and he's burned up for a

1541
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:59,159
long time. You know, he's uh, he was gone there.

1542
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:03,559
So yeah, but I enjoyed the killing of Remick and

1543
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:05,960
all the other people that are standing there burning and stuff.

1544
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it was it was a good sequence.

1545
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,519
What do you think I thought about it?

1546
01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,079
Speaker 1: I say, what do you think about that music scene?

1547
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,639
When we got all the eras of music?

1548
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:24,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a little bit unsure about all the details.

1549
01:07:24,119 --> 01:07:26,960
But I can't like, I can't, I can't do anything

1550
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,639
but like credit the actual execution of the scene, all

1551
01:07:29,679 --> 01:07:33,280
those moving parts, and like just yeah, very different style.

1552
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: You got twerkers in there, you got.

1553
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,119
Speaker 4: DJs, so it got to a point where I was like,

1554
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:41,440
it is a little bit like I don't even know

1555
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:44,800
the right term for it, just a little I don't

1556
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,440
eve think cheesy is the right way, because like that's

1557
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,039
what they wanted to do, and like it's not really cheesy.

1558
01:07:49,079 --> 01:07:51,119
It was just like a lot of mixing of everything

1559
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:53,079
all at once, especially for a movie that doesn't really

1560
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,679
feel like a back to the future film where I'm

1561
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,480
gonna be seen like a Jimi Hendrix type character in

1562
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:02,000
this film. Uh, but I I couldn't help, but like, yeah,

1563
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:04,599
just just tip my hat to like the actual execution

1564
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:06,239
of it, because there's just so many moving parts and

1565
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:08,360
it's going around, and it's just doubling down on the

1566
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,960
idea of like the whole lower and mythos that was

1567
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,400
introduced at the earlier like like when it's like a comic,

1568
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:20,239
like it's it's it's like an anime. Yeah, And so

1569
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,399
I loved it. And then like the last part of

1570
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,720
when they cover it at the very start of the

1571
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,800
film is when it goes to the window and it's

1572
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,800
like those red eyes looking in like the thread is

1573
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,319
out there. And then and then in that scene it

1574
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:33,800
goes to the vampires and like them just being drawn

1575
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,800
to it. So I ended up really really liking it,

1576
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,760
even though in the moment when that guy just comes

1577
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,600
out with the electric guitar and he's looking like he's

1578
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,479
straight out of the eighties, I'm like, whoa, what is

1579
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,760
going on here? And then yeah, we just keep getting

1580
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,039
more and more and it's all from the future, like

1581
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:50,840
there is things from the past and make different cultures

1582
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,520
and stuff look like like a more I don't know,

1583
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,279
like first Nation headdress thing. They had some African like,

1584
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:58,840
yeah people in there.

1585
01:08:59,239 --> 01:09:01,520
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just you could probably use is

1586
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,399
the tipping point for the movie, right. I feel like

1587
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,560
that's because after that, that's when you get them knocking

1588
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,479
and wanted to come in, and you just play some music,

1589
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,039
which they play like the most like white version of

1590
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:13,920
like what going on, Like they're kind of laughing about it.

1591
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,880
But that's what I almost not trying to like to

1592
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,800
defend it because I liked it more but I and

1593
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,439
I don't think it really works that way, but in

1594
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,960
the way of almost like that gets you the supernatural point,

1595
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:27,399
like it's all it's a pretty much a crime film,

1596
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,680
relationship drama, character drama. Then that musical thing happens and

1597
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,079
it's like, okay, now vampires. You know, it's almost like,

1598
01:09:33,079 --> 01:09:35,720
oh yeah, that was fucking weird. Just you wait, you know,

1599
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,960
so I take that as like the here, here's the

1600
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:41,199
change over. So no, that's fair.

1601
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 4: I I yeah, it's it's so it's it's like funny

1602
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,319
the song that they chose. But I I sure just

1603
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:49,359
love the scene of them all at the door and

1604
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,319
they're just like what the fuck is going on here?

1605
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:52,800
And they're like, come on, we can plain for you,

1606
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,600
and they're just like killing it. They're all in sync.

1607
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,279
They're doing like the same dance moves, which really just

1608
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:00,199
doubles down that they're like a hive mine. Yes, like

1609
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:03,000
they're just so in unison even their there dance move

1610
01:10:03,079 --> 01:10:06,840
and movements. And actually another thing, I'm gonna credit that,

1611
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,600
and like they got ninety million dollar budgets, so it's

1612
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,720
something that we can never achieve. But man, just the

1613
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,840
lighting in all of these nighttime sequences, like especially when

1614
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,039
Hailey Steinfeld was out there to like just inquire on

1615
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:19,760
what's going on with them, see if they're decent people,

1616
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,479
and they offer her a goal. This is before you know,

1617
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,800
he floats and chomps her, but like just the lighting

1618
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,800
is like perfect because you're able to like hide the eyes,

1619
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:33,640
but like still like highlight the features of them. And

1620
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,319
the one guy that's not Remick, like the other male

1621
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,800
guy when he's like singing his last portion and the

1622
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,640
camera Maybe it's just my eyes, but I swear it

1623
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,159
was like slowly zooming in on him, and it just

1624
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:50,920
made his features look more more animalistic, like like it

1625
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,680
made him look more like a vampire. So I was

1626
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,199
like waiting for his eyes to switch there or something.

1627
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,479
I was waiting for him to like chomp. Never ended

1628
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,039
up happening, but I just thought it was such a

1629
01:10:59,039 --> 01:11:01,960
great build up for It's like a moment where like

1630
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,439
the viewers know more than what the person in the

1631
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,880
situation knows, and you're just like cringing because you're like,

1632
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,640
oh my god, like when are they gonna chop? When

1633
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:09,960
are they gonna chomp? And then she goes and like

1634
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,560
sits down next to them. I'm like, it's over for you.

1635
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,520
Speaker 2: Fuck, this is.

1636
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: All I know, very very bold. Yeah no, And that's

1637
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,279
there's another thing. The credit. This is a movie that

1638
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:21,239
has many outside scenes at night. Never at any point

1639
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:23,279
it was like, oh, what's going on here, it's all, well,

1640
01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:26,239
that looks good off so there by like a club.

1641
01:11:26,359 --> 01:11:28,079
So it's like they show that they're street lamps or

1642
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:30,239
anything like that doesn't matter. Many movies can have lights

1643
01:11:30,279 --> 01:11:32,000
and it still looks like that. But like you talk

1644
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:33,960
about that scene, but there's multiple others where it's like, oh,

1645
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,399
we're night time and I can see everything going on

1646
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:37,600
and it's fucking great.

1647
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:42,119
Speaker 4: You know, So man just lights when they like get

1648
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,720
power to their shack, Like right before the party.

1649
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,239
Speaker 2: Starts, you got buddy on a ladder with his.

1650
01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 4: Fucking metal hook that he's just like hitting the power

1651
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,840
line and like you okay, so someone the works electrically.

1652
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:55,039
Speaker 1: You know.

1653
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 4: It's just like, man, that is so dangerous on so

1654
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,800
many levels, but like that's just what.

1655
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:00,520
Speaker 2: You fucking did back then, you know, you just you

1656
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,720
just make it work. But yeah, that's hopefully had some

1657
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,159
some rubber gloves on hers. I doubt it.

1658
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,119
Speaker 1: I think he learned now.

1659
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 2: Does he blocks it all? He's like, oh ship, and

1660
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,039
then he's like we're good.

1661
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 4: And then he just gets back down from his ladder.

1662
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,199
Like that guy had no idea what he was doing.

1663
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: We're shadowing for him. All those handburns you can get

1664
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,600
some real bad burns at twelve am or whatever one

1665
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:23,960
am when the sun comes up.

1666
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 4: You know, I wrote down, Uh, you know, it was

1667
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,760
a nice moment when Smoke goes to meet Annie there

1668
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:39,039
and then they're just reminiscent and then it gets start

1669
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:42,640
starts get heated. Like at no point I thought it

1670
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,760
was gonna like turn to a full on sex scene

1671
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:48,920
until she like just fucking zoom in grab his crotch,

1672
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:51,399
like a very like detailed shot where he's like.

1673
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 1: Your body hasn't forgotten me.

1674
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 4: At the point, like I don't know if Michael G.

1675
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,000
George is like one hundred percent in with what's going on.

1676
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:02,960
He's just like doesn't after that's happening. But then yeah,

1677
01:13:03,159 --> 01:13:06,279
it was game time. He de robed right away. But

1678
01:13:06,359 --> 01:13:09,399
I I just appreciated the zoom in crotch graph.

1679
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's some of those kids don't come back to

1680
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,279
that little shack because I don't think there's any locks there.

1681
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:15,960
But yeah, no, I don't know how long they've been gone,

1682
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,560
but it doesn't matter. You know, we've gone from some

1683
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,720
woman and they grabbed your crotch and say, yo, boy,

1684
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,159
I didn't forget me. That's it. It came over for you.

1685
01:13:23,159 --> 01:13:28,279
You know, you're you're falling your knees there, So yeah,

1686
01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:30,119
I didn't think it was going that way either. I thought, okay,

1687
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:32,560
I kiss maybe somewhere, and I thought, okay, we could

1688
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,159
get to a sex scene. But just right there, it

1689
01:13:34,199 --> 01:13:38,640
was like okay, fair enough. So yeah, anything else, sir.

1690
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,079
Speaker 2: No, I it's all my notes.

1691
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 1: Sure we'll talk about this again. Because not to give

1692
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,840
away his full score, but Tear dropped a full perfect

1693
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,000
score in this letter box.

1694
01:13:52,039 --> 01:13:53,279
Speaker 2: He was a little interested.

1695
01:13:53,319 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: So I feel like at least who knows, you know,

1696
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,119
cut back to last year in March when Dune came out,

1697
01:13:59,159 --> 01:14:01,199
you know, thought we talked about it, so you never

1698
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:02,920
know we're gonna be But at least there's definitely I

1699
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,319
think multiple categories. I would have this in, you know, acting,

1700
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:11,159
all around visuals. Yeah yeah, one of like the villain

1701
01:14:11,359 --> 01:14:13,960
score for me is like I think for the year

1702
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:16,600
so far, I can't think of a film we've talked

1703
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,880
about he reviewed so far that like like, if we're

1704
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,199
to end right now, this takes score like easily.

1705
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 4: So I saw Ludwig was executive producer for this as well. Yeah, man,

1706
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:26,640
he's risen up.

1707
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,199
Speaker 1: Eh, he's moving up in the world.

1708
01:14:28,399 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 2: Not just a composer anymore. He's making movies.

1709
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: And did you see the Nolans, Emma Thomas and Christopher Nolan,

1710
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:37,119
They the thank yous. Yeah, I think his Coogler went

1711
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:39,800
to them because he was filming with different cameras this

1712
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,560
time with film and and in imax. You should go

1713
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,039
watch at some point. There's a very cool twelve minute

1714
01:14:45,079 --> 01:14:50,479
video of him just being full on educated, masterful filmmaker

1715
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,000
of just bringing down all the different films and how

1716
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:54,920
they play differently in each type of film and how

1717
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,239
they're set up. Very nerdy ship. Yeah it's Coogler. Yeah,

1718
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,600
very nerdy ship. But it's like, oh man, this guy

1719
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,319
knows what he's doing. But yeah, he talked to Nolan

1720
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:07,079
about some of that stuff. So yeah, well if that's it, Uh,

1721
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,880
what would you give this for a fund rating? Yeah?

1722
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 4: This is a tricky one because I I definitely have

1723
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:19,159
issues with it, like even my separate movie idea theory,

1724
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:22,119
like like Separate, I still do have like some issues

1725
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,439
on like the technicality side of it. We've broken down

1726
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,119
pretty much all of them, well most of them at

1727
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:30,800
least probably forgetting something. But but like at the end

1728
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,359
of the day, I still I did really have a

1729
01:15:32,359 --> 01:15:32,960
good time with this.

1730
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 2: I I definitely want to rewatch this.

1731
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 4: Film, just like man, it's I I really love Michael B.

1732
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:40,119
Speaker 2: Jordan.

1733
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,319
Speaker 4: I feel like I like don't curd him enough because

1734
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:45,600
every time I see him in something, he's just so spectacular.

1735
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:48,079
And that's just like the standard I expect now, but

1736
01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:51,520
like seeing two Michael B. Jordan's in here and playing

1737
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,159
different characters, like, man, this guy is this guy is

1738
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:54,800
so talented.

1739
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: I want to see any more things but.

1740
01:15:59,399 --> 01:16:02,039
Speaker 1: Crazy three guys just evolving, you.

1741
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 4: Know, absolutely, maybe it'll be Michael A. Jordan here pretty

1742
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:10,840
soon he'll he'll get bumped up the tier. And yeah,

1743
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,159
like music was fantastic. Really loved the lore and set

1744
01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:15,079
up and the way that they.

1745
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:16,279
Speaker 2: We kind of talked around it.

1746
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 4: I didn't say specifically, but I really like just the

1747
01:16:18,039 --> 01:16:20,199
look of the vampires in this movie with with the

1748
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:21,359
distinct eyes.

1749
01:16:22,279 --> 01:16:25,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big bad wolf. I so, yeah, there is

1750
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:27,199
a tricky score for me. I think right now I'm

1751
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,479
gonna give it an eight point three. I don't know.

1752
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,119
I I think eight point five is a little bit

1753
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:33,319
too high with just how.

1754
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:38,399
Speaker 4: Jarring the step from the regular film to the vampire

1755
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,920
side for me was maybe on a rewatch.

1756
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 2: I won't think that too much.

1757
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 4: Obviously, it changes when you just know what's going to

1758
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,479
be happening, And I don't know, maybe I'll be able

1759
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:52,359
to see the transition from from the two stories a

1760
01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:54,880
little bit better on another viewing, but yeah, I don't know.

1761
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,840
I still think it's a really, really solid film.

1762
01:16:58,119 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: Definitely wasn't what I was expecting.

1763
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 4: I honestly coming into this because like i'd seen the trailer,

1764
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,800
I didn't rewatch the trailers. I thought like like Stack

1765
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:08,159
was gonna be like the leader of the vampires, and

1766
01:17:08,199 --> 01:17:10,239
like it was gonna be like a headhead showdown, like

1767
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:11,520
Smoke versus Stack.

1768
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,119
Speaker 2: I didn't know all the details.

1769
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: How it was gonna work, but I thot poster behind us,

1770
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,720
he's looking pretty evil there, but it's literally just like

1771
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,680
his color scheme. That's what he wears, his red. You

1772
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,119
know he's not that evil. Even oh we fuck, we

1773
01:17:22,119 --> 01:17:24,479
didn't even talked about the end credit thing. We even

1774
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,760
talk about. Yeah, the movie ends. We've got that nice

1775
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,640
moment Michael B. Jordan sees his family and then we

1776
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,600
see Sammy, who you know, his father's like, oh, that guitar.

1777
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,960
Now he gets back in the vehicle, drives away. He's

1778
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,399
gonna become a fucking musician. Everything right, Maybe he goes

1779
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,720
to buy you. And then we get the credits and

1780
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,000
that's like they show Sammy. Yeah, we can talk about

1781
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,159
the full ending where he's now. It's I think he

1782
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:49,640
was like ninety nineteen three, so he's now an older gentleman.

1783
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,800
But he's playing a club. It's his club or whatever,

1784
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,119
his gig because there's a poster they're kind of marketing,

1785
01:17:55,159 --> 01:17:57,439
like the scratches on his us on his face on

1786
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,960
the album cover, and he's sounding great, and he's sits

1787
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:02,239
at the end of the show and the bartender somebody's like, oh,

1788
01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:04,640
there's two people in your ass for you, like I

1789
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,640
understand the show and the me and greets kind of

1790
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,560
over so show someone. He's like, nah, no, sen them

1791
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,000
go ahead. And then and in my theater that only

1792
01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:14,600
had seven people, three of the people which were girls,

1793
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,840
they like erupted like oh my god, because it was

1794
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,640
like a they come to the doors. Michael B. Jordan

1795
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:23,479
as Stack and then Haley Steinfeld is Mary. They've been

1796
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,760
alive now for sixty years, but they have an age

1797
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,680
in their vampires and they give a whole backstory of

1798
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,199
how they're alive and yet da da da, And you know,

1799
01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:33,960
Stack's like, the only deal I made was which is again,

1800
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:35,680
this is why I was like, I might take the

1801
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,760
vampire deal, because at first, when Stack becomes a vampire,

1802
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,760
it's like very much like, oh, Remit could be controlling

1803
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,520
him or he's completely crazy. But where he is now,

1804
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,319
he seems pretty control of his emotions because like that

1805
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,199
the same night he like made a deal with his brother, like, fine,

1806
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,640
if you let me go, I won't hurt our cousin.

1807
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,119
That's like the way I looked at them. They looked

1808
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:58,039
so crazed. At no point I thought the vampire's gonna

1809
01:18:58,039 --> 01:18:59,239
be like, yeah, I can make a deal with you.

1810
01:18:59,319 --> 01:19:00,960
But I guess so, so that's what it's again, this

1811
01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:03,720
vampire deal. Don't know if that bad, but yeah, he said.

1812
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:06,119
Stack said to Smoke, I'm not gonna hurt him, you know,

1813
01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:08,279
i' let him love his life up, love the detail.

1814
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:09,800
He sniffed, and he's like, oh, you know how much

1815
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,920
time left? And he like gives him the offer though

1816
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,920
that they could do that, and uh, then they just

1817
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,720
kind of reminisced that they that was the last like

1818
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,600
they consider that the greatest day of their lives, their

1819
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,880
last best day of lives, because like they're all together.

1820
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,199
Stack's like I could see the sun. But again, you know,

1821
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:26,439
Michael or you got Haley Seinfeld just putting a fucking

1822
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,880
screensaver like the internet. Yet Internet is gonna change the world.

1823
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,640
They can just put a fucking ambience in the sun

1824
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,520
and be like, oh, look at this. But uh yeah,

1825
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,479
they're all ninety swagged down like Haley Seinfeld talked about

1826
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,760
before they got her completely sex spot. She has like

1827
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,520
a top tied up her lower back.

1828
01:19:42,119 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 2: Showing lollipop and like the big yeah, he's pretty much.

1829
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: You're just like these characters are fucking non sought for

1830
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,600
the past, you know, seven years. But uh yeah, it was.

1831
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:54,399
It was strange because I do I like that little

1832
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,520
it's very much like an epilogue, and you made the

1833
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,880
joke about it feeling like a chat cheep pet Taylor

1834
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,119
and Kirk because it did go on for while. I

1835
01:20:01,159 --> 01:20:02,840
don't know how I feel with the placing of it

1836
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,760
because I love that ending with smoke. At the same time,

1837
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:08,159
you couldn't do like the epilogue and then go back

1838
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:09,880
to smoke right, that would feel weird, So I kind

1839
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:10,880
of get why you want to do that. So I

1840
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,039
don't know if it would have been better just to

1841
01:20:12,119 --> 01:20:14,119
end it that way. So I don't know. This is

1842
01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:16,760
one I gotta sit on. But the overall scene I

1843
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,399
did like because I liked the idea of them still

1844
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,359
kicking around and just like a full kind of not

1845
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:23,039
and I like that they didn't like turn and like

1846
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,560
kill them. They did like keep their deal like okay,

1847
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,079
and it was just to like say goodbye to a

1848
01:20:28,119 --> 01:20:29,840
family member and then they're gonna go back on to

1849
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:32,199
fucking I guess in the nighttime. But I did like

1850
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,039
the scene. Just have to think about it more as

1851
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:36,439
far as the placing. And then we had another end

1852
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,319
credit was just you know, the sam Is singing, which

1853
01:20:39,399 --> 01:20:40,319
you know, fine.

1854
01:20:40,119 --> 01:20:42,279
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't say for that one. I stayed

1855
01:20:42,279 --> 01:20:43,319
for the juicy one.

1856
01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy about that.

1857
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1858
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,399
Speaker 4: Plus at that point I was the only guy in

1859
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:48,800
the theater and I'm like, I don't want to scare

1860
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:53,199
the fucking here, and I'm just I'm just standing here alone.

1861
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:55,239
I did like the scene. I think it was a

1862
01:20:55,239 --> 01:21:01,039
little bit just like perplexed on why like the vampires

1863
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:03,159
or I guess specifically Stack would.

1864
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 2: Have like.

1865
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 4: Stuck true to the deal he made with with Smoke.

1866
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,840
I don't know, Like I guess he's just very honorable.

1867
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,039
It's just to your point, like they just seem so

1868
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:16,359
blood craze that like like, yeah, you better not fucking

1869
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,880
come back and kill us, you know, or that's that

1870
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:20,880
like it just seemed a bit of a stretch and

1871
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:25,159
then yeah, and I just think for how the vampires

1872
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:27,800
were shown before that, I wouldn't have believed that a

1873
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,720
vampire like would stay to that. But maybe it was

1874
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,680
just tied to to Remiic and just that he was

1875
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,439
kind of the leader. And then because he died, maybe

1876
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:36,479
they just have more free will.

1877
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: Now.

1878
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly.

1879
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,159
Speaker 4: It's a little bit fuzzy there, but I did like

1880
01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:43,399
the sequence, and I did like how because something that

1881
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,840
like is mentioned, like it's it's kind of minor, but

1882
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,640
it is mentioned in the film that like just the

1883
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,920
effect that like the music has on the vampires as well,

1884
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,359
Like that's what Remick says, right, like he wants Sammy yeah,

1885
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:59,439
to get these like well like memories or just like taken.

1886
01:21:59,239 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: Back to people.

1887
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: Wants he wants the songs.

1888
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 4: She's clearly very passionate about his own music, is his

1889
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,640
Irish music. So yeah, and then of course just how

1890
01:22:09,079 --> 01:22:13,079
uh Stack and Uh and Mary are just kind of

1891
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:16,840
like reacting to that moment when uh, yeah, it's just

1892
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,600
given a little bit of a little bit of blues again. Yeah,

1893
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,119
you know, the good old stuff is. As I said, So,

1894
01:22:22,359 --> 01:22:26,159
I did like the sequence. I love the the outfits too.

1895
01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:29,359
Speaker 1: It was just kind of fun to fucking like Stack like,

1896
01:22:30,119 --> 01:22:33,479
oh yeah, like the knuckles, like like the ones, yeah,

1897
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,399
like life, Yeah he has that and just says Stack.

1898
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:37,479
It's like awesome.

1899
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:38,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1900
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,640
Speaker 4: No, I did appreciate And I was just surprised by

1901
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,560
the length. I don't think I've seen an end credit

1902
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:48,439
scene that long in a really long time. And you know,

1903
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,199
there's a couple pople in my theater that you completely

1904
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,800
missed that whole scene. So I definitely think it's an

1905
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,079
okay end credit. But they could have done like and

1906
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,880
director and then like play that sequence, you know, like

1907
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:03,840
like not wait that long. I'm glad it wasn't right

1908
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,520
at the end credits. I would have been really really

1909
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,920
bad because almost nobody would have seen this, and this

1910
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,800
is like a pretty important epilogue to the to the tail,

1911
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,880
I feel. But yeah, and uh, eight point three, I

1912
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,239
think is if I have already said that number.

1913
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is a tough one for me too,

1914
01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:23,159
because I think critically i'm somewhere in the nine nine

1915
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:26,399
point five. But you know, you can say I'm biased

1916
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:29,840
and I'm a coogler just like Sucker. But I'm going

1917
01:23:30,039 --> 01:23:32,239
getting to the ten as well, because for me, it's

1918
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:36,720
it's the positives outweigh the nagas I had, and most

1919
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,199
natives are nitpicks or like, okay, that could have been

1920
01:23:40,199 --> 01:23:41,760
done a little bit better, But it's just because all

1921
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,960
the other stuff is so good. This looks so good.

1922
01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:46,279
This is where it's like, I'm a big defender of it.

1923
01:23:46,399 --> 01:23:49,279
Chapter two you got an aspara too. There's many other ones, right,

1924
01:23:49,319 --> 01:23:51,479
But like, I want to get to the state, and

1925
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,520
I think we're getting there. And there's tons of films

1926
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,199
that probably I haven't even seen, that are like this,

1927
01:23:55,279 --> 01:23:57,319
but I love that we were getting a state of

1928
01:23:57,359 --> 01:24:00,600
you know, some big budget horror films that are drama

1929
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,520
and we really care about what's going on and it

1930
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,399
isn't just like a schlock fest of violence and Gore

1931
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,560
and I love that. Don't get wrong, don't stop making those.

1932
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,159
Go make your terrifiers. I'll watch those two. But for

1933
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:12,800
a while, I feel like there was an error or

1934
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,840
an era. I mean, it's like the past ten fifteen

1935
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:19,279
years before I don't know, maybe post COVID around then

1936
01:24:19,279 --> 01:24:20,760
i'd have to really track it. I just felt like

1937
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:22,680
there was a time where those were very few and

1938
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,960
far between. It feels like we're getting back to that.

1939
01:24:25,079 --> 01:24:27,920
And to me, it's just like Brian Kugle just like

1940
01:24:28,119 --> 01:24:30,279
just flexing on a lot of stuff. There's it's just

1941
01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:33,039
a masterclass of filmmaking. And I can't wait to see

1942
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:35,520
what he does. And like I said, maybe when I

1943
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,840
rewatch this, I'll feel more strongly on that score, like yeah,

1944
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,159
I'm a hundredercent right, I mean, my critical i'd pick

1945
01:24:40,199 --> 01:24:41,720
that up, or maybe I might go back to you.

1946
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,119
You know what, Actually I would talk it for this,

1947
01:24:44,119 --> 01:24:46,199
this and this, But for me, it's just like coming

1948
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:48,760
off of it, how much I enjoyed about it, I

1949
01:24:49,159 --> 01:24:52,319
gotta go that route. So yeah, no, I'm glad we

1950
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:53,479
did this. It was a good time. Like I said,

1951
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,039
we'll definitely talk about this Golden Geeks because uh, I

1952
01:24:56,079 --> 01:24:58,279
know terror will talk about it and don't have to watch.

1953
01:24:58,319 --> 01:25:00,800
We'll see what happens there, and yeah, we'll be back

1954
01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:03,800
next week with other casts and promise you I'll not

1955
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:04,800
be boring.

1956
01:25:05,239 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 4: Bye.