Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentleman, Welcome to the six hundred and
fifty eight podcast fifty eight fifty eighth Podcast of Geek. First,
I am the garlic chomping Tress.
Speaker 2: Now I'm joined by I'm the ice cream licking KIRKLM. Batzer.
Speaker 1: Lots of mouth stuff going on with these nicknames, but yeah,
it makes sense with what we're talking about. Like I'm
going assume people know what we're talking about with the
main plot, but just in case, I won't say what
it is because I remember weeks ago, who knows where
he is attacked? Taya's gone, probably gonna press charges on somebody,
not me, but he I had to tell Malt like
at least three times last year, like what this movie
was about, because I think when at first introessted me, Oh,
you're gonna like this a certain genre, You're like, all great,
and then like every six months to be like, oh,
that's a what's the bad guys in this movie? But
just so just in case, if there's somebody does not
know the bad guys in this movie, We're gonna do,
as usual, a non splait breakdown. We'll take a break,
We'll tell you a little bit what's going on? Geek?
First you're gonna add and then we'll get into full spoilers.
But I I not speaking for Kirkling because me and
him not spoken about the movie at all, but I
would say this is one probably you should you know,
just listen non spoilers, and I don't know, I can
see it definitely one maybe you should uh think about
coming back to later. But maybe that's a little minor
spoiler from my thoughts. But mister Pats, I feel like
this movie talk about for quite a while. We've been excited,
especially so what did you think of Ryan Coogler's what
is this? This is his fifth feature debut or not debut,
just fifth feature.
Speaker 3: It's his fifth debuts after Uh yeah, I know, I
was really excited for this one, just us like genre
I'm into.
Speaker 4: I I feel like the trailers were really what sold me.
Like the last I don't know what iteration of the
trailer was, but it just had like that blues undertone
and like the like the soundtrack, and then just you
had Michael B. Jordan like just wheeled in a Tommy gun.
I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's get Arnold. Yeah, I'm so
ready for this movie. And uh yeah, I was really
looking forward to it. And I'm kind of torn on
this one because like I do really love aspects of
this film.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be saying spoilers, so I'm just.
Speaker 4: Gonna I'll say, I think there's a world where this
movie is like an extremely different movie than what it is,
And I honestly think, and I'm gonna pitch this once
we get to the spoilers, I honestly think that would
be a better movie, at least for myself. I don't
know how you feel about it, so we'll see how
we get how it doesn't we get there. I personally
think the third act of this film takes like a
major dive for me, which is like, yeah, I feel
like that's backwards for what you would think if you
if you've seen this movie. I'm just talking to riddles
Net right now. But like I guess, for non spoiler wise,
I did like it, like passing enough for the whole
way through. I think that the start of the film,
like the first half of it, I was one hundred
percent engaged, like I really really liked what they were
setting up here. I think just the story and the
dynamics or relationships I was one hundred percent in on
Michael B. Jordan playing two characters. When you first see
them like together, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be distracting.
I don't know, I just feel like like he's a
talented guy, but like just seeing them standing together, I'm like,
I know, it's.
Speaker 1: Clearly backs of the flash when you're like, these aren't two.
Speaker 4: Amber Yeah, exactly, like I That's what I thought the
first time I saw them. But beyond that point, I
think they did such a good job at just distinguishing
like each brother from just their mannerisms, the way that
he would talk. Funny enough, they have like one wearing blue,
one wearing red, so it's like pretty easy like visual indicator.
So I think they did a really good job, which
is like the twinning aspect. And hats off to Michael B.
Jordan for being able to pull off that performance, like
you literally have to, like do you know they's similar characters,
but like you have to play two different roles in
a film and he's the lead, So like, really really
impressive there. I think Haylie Steinfeld was just fantastic for
how she was used, And yeah, like I I really
don't have any issues with any of the characters. The
Sami character. I can't remember the actor's name, but I
thought he was really good.
Speaker 1: So I think his first film. I'm assuming because they
did the introducing Miles Carton or something. I'll confirm that,
but I think this is guy's first film with it,
So that's a that's a great That's like a bunch
of people are gonna put him on his list in
the future. Yeah, it is. That's this is his first
movie he's ever done, So this is gonna be a
lot of people. I'm not I'm sure he's act and
plays in.
Speaker 2: The next TV film if he wants, well, we'll hit
him up.
Speaker 1: We would be extremely lucky for that. But yeah, no,
I feel like you're gonna see this dude a lot
of stuff coming up.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but yeah, no, I I think I'm just
really conflicted because, yeah, without spoiling what I'm about to spoil,
once we get to that point, I feel like I
just was really really into a movie that it felt
like this was setting up to be and then it
just it just deviates. And I don't think the deviation
is bad, like I think both versions are really good
on their own. I just felt like the mixing of
everything just it it felt too like mixing oil and water.
Speaker 2: It just didn't go together that well for me.
Speaker 4: I think the performance was really good, the execution was
really good, Like this is a really good looking movie.
And yeah, the music was fantastic. I really like just
like what they were setting up with the lore and everything.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I'm just a little bit
conflicted on there.
Speaker 4: I think maybe just breaking it down with you, I
might be able to iron out some of these wrinkles
I have right now because I am conflicted because I
did have a good time throughout the whole the whole thing,
even though I was a little bit.
Speaker 2: Unsure I think at moments.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, with the sake of potentially spoiling anything else,
I think I'll leave it there and I would recommend
this this movie.
Speaker 2: I had a pretty good time.
Speaker 4: I think there was like five people total in my theater,
including myself, so everyone was in pairs, but myself I.
Speaker 2: Was the one loner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went bold too this time. I like went
dead center in the film, which I never do. I'm
going alone, but I I bought my tickets earlier and
then I checked the seats right before I went in,
and I'm like, okay, yeah, there's no like big crowds
all around me or something. I should be pretty safe,
and yeah, sure enough I was. It was all a
couples on the perimeter doing their id the zucchini games
as I was just in the in the dead center
with my popcorn enjoying.
Speaker 2: So Michael B. Jordan action, poor you.
Speaker 1: Lots of a guinea going on there. But yeah, he said,
I'd help you break down. I actually didn't watched them.
I just came to hear your thoughts choking.
Speaker 4: Well, that soccer went went long, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Long soccer.
Speaker 4: And I appreciate you at least coming here with the
part take.
Speaker 1: Walking through it. Detail said, did you do Imax Kirk, No,
we don't got Imax here, knockoff? Was this even in
the extreme screen? Was this one?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: It was in the small one, showings at like the
same like similar timing, and they were like right next
to each other, but not the extreme theater. I don't
even know it's out right now that would be taking
up that slot.
Speaker 1: I guess, oh craft it's Minecraft. Yeah, fuck, we we
have an extreme so it's like bigger and he got Dolby,
but it does. It's not Imax, and I wish, yeah,
Colone was getting bigger and I wish would get one,
but I don't think we will anytime soon. It's such
a shame. So yeah, we don't have that option. We
have that option, it's just four hours away. So we
don't usually do that. If we're gonna do some geek
frist reviews, you.
Speaker 4: Know, all my Imax experiences have been like the Science
World ones where it's just like about penguins or something,
or like a like a school trip. I had one
opportunity to see the Batman when he was coming to Imax,
like like back when it was just I think it
had gotten like re released in Imax and then it
had ended up being like it was playing like the
day after I was leaving, Uh Victoria, I was so choked.
I was so I would have just gone alone if
she wouldn't have wanted to go see a three hour
Batman with me, but see that in Imax.
Speaker 2: That would have been amazing, but what could.
Speaker 1: Have been It's funny. I accidentally, when I was looking
at this guy, Miles cat H, I clicked on Jack
O'Connell right beside his name, but I didn't because I
was talking to you, so I didn't see that I
did that. So as I just talked about him, like
being debuting acting, I see like forty five projects. They
fucking lied to me, But no, it is. Jack O'Connell
was like, you can't say they're introducing somebody who's in
their forty fifth project, like other than the Joke, but
in the debut, right, yeah, just like Ryan Googler's fifth
debut film. But yeah, no, this is a I'll just
say it's It reminds me, it's good. This is gonna
be maybe a stretch for some people, but I don't
think it is, and it'll be more in spoilers. This
reminds me a lot of Django, where Django that's different
because we know Tarantino style and you know it's gonna
get really wacky and out then everything like that Coogler
so far, all he's done, can't say all that's very minimizing.
This guy is one of the best directors out there.
Talk about him for years like Fruitful Station, very good,
character driven piece, Creed that I don't care about the
Rocky franchise. Creed is my favorite movie. He made me
care about that franchise, or at least that section of it.
I still think Black Panther one specifically is the best
Marvel movie, and Black Panther two is not is pretty
damn good considering everything they had to go through to
get there. So this guy like, I know it's always
gonna be quality, but we still don't have like even
It's funny because Tarantino takes this time. Even Tarantino like
what that was like his seventh movies. It's like only
three Coogler movies away from hitting his like uh Django.
But the thing is that Lisa and Tarantino's movies are
all very different, but they have a very similar tone
right where Coogler I feel like we're still like, hey,
who is Ryan Coogler? And I don't mean that in
a bad way of like someone that you know can't
use their talent. He has talent, don't get me wrong.
She's like, okay, only four films, what exactly filmmaker is
gonna be? Because it was like an independent movie, franchise movie,
then two massive blockbusters, and now we're getting into like
a genre whore. I won't even say someone. It's definitely
again a character driven movie. And I think that's the
biggest thing that I'll give this that he like, that's
what all those other movies are, Ryan Coogman. That's what
I care about is character. Character, especially to say the
first two acts is all about and it's a slow burn.
I feel like it takes a time. That's again not
a negative, but it takes its time. With Hey, every
character you meet, you're gonna kind of get like a
little bit of a backstory that reminds you of Tarantino,
that reminds you of like Grand Theft Auto when it's
like you have sixteen people in this game, but you
know about why Bruce he's doing this and why he's
mixed up and everything. But the reason it reminds me
of Jango, and not just because you know that's black
leads and has to do some slavery. You know, like
it's not really a Western, but there's some of those
isms in there. It's just that for and say, the
first two acts as lots of comedic beats, but Jangle
feels like a very drama, almost like Oscar movie. But
then the last act goes crazy. It's full spaghetti western.
You got uh dem you got Oh my god, run DMC.
I don't know. I was comparing a bunch of people's
name there, but like you just wrap busting out. Well,
Jamie Fox is killing these people, shooting their dicks off.
It gets so over the top. We're like, okay, and
I like that, right, this goes in a different direction.
This is just more of the horror where I think
the first two acts is a character driven crime drama,
Like that's why it's set up, and it feels like
an Oscar movie, and that's why I think Ryan Cougler
one he's gonna be like, no on a few years,
he's gonna win an Oscar because it feels like that.
But then it's okay. But in the third act, we
want to get fucking nuts, and they have a couple
of those times in there. There's something to do with
music in the second act that's like very visually stunning
and like kind of comes out of nowhere but is
really cool. This movie has a lot of that stuff
where there's some really really cool stuff in here, and
I think it's gonna work and not work for many
people and even myself. There's some sort of I don't
know if I know I exactly love this, but overall,
this is a film that I really enjoyed. I love
just just felt like Ryan Cougler, I don't know for
a fact, but just feels like a movie he's probably
had in his head for years. I just feel like
it's just like he's throwing it up there and just
has like every idea visually stunning. Again, we've talked about
this guy for many, many years, but Ludwig, like, this
guy can do no wrong, like he is this generation's
Han Zimmer, just like the music is very like the
music is a character itself too, And that's why it's
like when you go down the songs, you see how
many people or how many songs Ludwig. It's not that
he just did the score. He did the score them
like multiple origional songs. It's like, this guy is so
good and the music has to be so good because
it plays a big role. But that saying, there's lots
going on. There's tons of themes, not even talking about
the big genre stuff, but acting wise, Yeah, Michael B.
Jordan's fantastic. I just had to look it up because
I was like, this movie has a budget of what
is it ninety million? And then flash two hundred twenty million,
probably more than that, And I talked about it before
where it's just not the acting wise, but there were
so many times where why was Ezra Samsite? Neother Ezra
and that Ezra looked low, glossy or cgi and it's
like you have this guy Ryan Coogler, who you know,
won the best out there, but still it's like ninety million.
It's like they look like their brothers, and it's Michael B.
Jordan plays them in a fascinating way because they are
very similar. And I feel like, in the first other
than the colors, I'm like, Okay, what is the differences
of their personality per se? But as the movie goes
on you get to see that. But at first it's Okay,
you gotta you gotta watch out for that color because
if not, eventually they get split up, so that helps too.
But I think that's a great route of their playing
them twins. They grew up together, they've been together their
whole lives, like they haven't, you know, separated. They went
to that's a it's not big splore, Like they go
to war together. They open business together, so all the stuff.
But yeah, it's it's different than I thought it was
going to be, but I still love it. From a
filmmaking point of view, I think this is one where
if you were asked me what I would grate it
on a critique level, it probably be lower than my
enjoyment level, because my enjoyment level is quite high. I
think there's a few moments in here that don't work,
and there's a few things that are the head scratching,
a few things that even certain, like end credits. I'm like, ah,
maybe this could have been like just a part of
the movie in a sense. I don't know. It's the
third act. It I was gonna say, it feels like
he's throwing stuff at the wall. And it's not that
I feel like it's all by design. I think there's
some really great stuff in there, especially like the Last
to Mints, some great stuff. I feel like it's a
lot packed it, and this movie's already long. It's two
twenty so it's not like it's a short movie. It's like, hey, kid,
you only go an hour and a half. He's like, fuck,
let's sort everything. It's not that it takes its time.
The third act gets a huge set piece and tons
of time given to it. It doesn't feel rushed or
anything like that. It's just especially it's say the last
twenty five minutes. There's a lot of movie in here,
and I'm very excited to watch this one again because
this one that I I. Luckily Emma hasn't seen it,
so I'm gonna watch with her, But like, I really
want to watch this again and go, Okay, I know
that I very much enjoyed it and liked it, but
it's a question of how much it's in the same thing.
We've talked about this before, where the first time I
saw Interstellar, I loved it, but not loved it the
same way everybody else. And I think I already like
Sinners more than Interstellar, like the first time I saw it,
But I remember, once we retrospect it, I'm like, I
don't know why I never gave this movie a ten
the first time I watched it. You know, it's somebody
you just need to sit with it. So there's some
stuff that I need to sit with on this, But uh, no,
filmmaking wise top notch. It just feels like a guy's
at the top of this game doing some great stuff
here and performances everyone's great. We talked about Miles guy Delroy,
he's great. He Steinfeld's great. Oh, I got a poll
pr name. I can't remember. She's It's it's that thing again,
like I don't like to be mean or whatnot, but
what is her name? She's a TVA agent or leader
from low key?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 1: Where is she?
Speaker 2: That's her name?
Speaker 1: Was it Atrice? Was that her name?
Speaker 2: Or No?
Speaker 1: Was that someone else? No?
Speaker 2: I don't even see her.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking in the cast. I'm oh, I
wonder if it's my appearance, So she must be down
there a little bit.
Speaker 2: But it just reminds we'll find her.
Speaker 1: It just reminds me of like when we were It's Fun.
We were talking about yere for you before we went
on air here, and it's just like when you see
Zandia in the MC and you're just like, man, you
would never guess this could be one of the best
working actresses around. Same thing with her. I'm not saying
she's bad and Loki, not at all. I think we
liked everything like that, and she was in Deadpool Wolverine,
but it's like in this she's like Grand Canyons above
anything else. So I'm not trying to say the MCU
makes you seem like a bad actor, but it's just
like it's funny where when you got movies that to me,
character is the first point and just like how they connect,
you get to really see people flesh their skills out.
So yeah, I will get her name on some point here,
but yeah, fantastic movie for me. I love it. I
would recommend it. Like I said, I have some not
even issues yet, just some things of like okay I
need to say with that, And I do have my
issues so far more minor stuff where okay, that's maybe
a little convenient or oh why did this happen this way?
So there's a few things, but it's kind of here's
my best way of like again, I could ever get
this film a perfect ten on a critical scale, but
it's one of those things like all the things I
liked about it are so good kind of the stuff
that I might have an issue with are kind of
they're still they're they're down there, you know, they're in
the past, everything like that. So it's funny. I try
to ran now brand the same time. I think it
just got out there great timing. Loved it the whole time.
I couldn't help thinking about how good don't Michael B.
Jordan look compared to Ezra and the Flash. That's what
I thought too, because that's the most recent one. I
feel like we've talked about other twin stuff since then,
but not to this degree where it's they're the two
main characters, right, because that's more tricky, Like there's action
scenes with them side by side. It's like that must
have been tough, but they make it look easy. They
make it look flawless, and not at any point it's like, oh,
Michael B. Jordan's head's kind of floating and that doesn't
look like him. It's just like effortlessly. So I know
he's probably gonna go do Black Panther three to finish
off that trilogy. And I'm not saying don't do then
old thing, finish your Superhill trilogy, but I'm very excited
for what Coogler does after the fact. But yeah, that's
the only thing I'd brace you for. It's like an
Oscar drama, and then the third act it takes like
a big twist where somebody like there here's an example
where we go to spoils that get out. That is
literally a best picture Oscar on me. But in the
first ten minutes. You know, you're watching a horror movie.
It's creepy, it's weird. There's stuff going on that doesn't
make sense or track. But in this movie, I'll just
say that doesn't come into much much later. Like I'd
love to have someone watch this that had no idea
what this movie was, saw no trailer because you you
like that. Even the opening monologue, it's more about like
culture stuff and to do with music. It's not about like, oh,
this supernatural thing. It's so it's I would love this
would have been a movie. I would have loved to
have seen or read this scrip having no idea, and
I could see because I think even Clay and her
discord said there's a certain thing with what the the
enemy is that he actually would have preferred it the
other way of just doing the drama. And uh, I
do get that, but I had a lot of fun here.
So anything else non spoilers.
Speaker 4: Uh win me mosaka Mosaku. I hope I'm saying that
name right. I'm probably not perfect.
Speaker 1: Would you play again?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: She is like not on im D at all, but
she ya any it's weird. I had to google separately
from come.
Speaker 1: On get her on there. Who's her agent? Come on,
she did a great job like this, this was I
guess she's in LOKEI and whatnot. I never think about her,
just like, oh, she's in the show, she good and
everything about it. After this, I'm like, oh, I hope
I see her a lot more. You know.
Speaker 4: I saw her in this, and I'm like, where have
I seen her from? Like I've seen her in something?
But yeah to your.
Speaker 1: Two seasons of the show.
Speaker 4: We're talking at able, Yeah, you know, so it's nice
to see this level of her. But no, I just
want to get right into spoiler so we can get there.
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna do that. So if you've not
seen this movie, now is the time to bow out.
Like we said, Senza, we have maybe different degrees of
how much we enjoyed it, but we both agree definitely
go see the movie and then come back and check
them the non spoilers, you know, go support nice, good
old original, uh bigger picture, and then we'll be right back.
And we're back. So where do you want to start
with Sinners here to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely spoiler marker.
Speaker 4: If you don't want to get spoiled, leave now, because
I want to get right into just the meat and
potatoes of my my grievance with this and kind of
what I was alluding to earlier where I personally feel
like this would have been a better movie without vampires
at all. I I I did clearly, I really did
like the setup of the lore of like the musician
in the beginning, the way that they just had like
the images like coming in when it's like well like
and then the demons are like like drawn to whatever
the terminology it did for it, Like it was just
giving me goosebumps without even like seeing a thread out there.
So I did think that aspect to it was really
really good. So it got me excited for the vampire stuff.
But once we actually got into the movie, I was
just so like into these two brothers that were like
working for the Capone they came back home, they're like
setting up like this business in this town. As as
you already mentioned earlier, like we get time to like
really learn about pretty much every character that's introduced, and
like I was invested in their story. So I even
like a TV series about like about like this. You know,
it's funny, it's similar time era, different part of the world,
but like Peaky Blinders is is very similar to like
this type of era. Obviously it's not in America, but
like still, I was just getting that itch form and
for just like more Peaky Blinders, And that's how it felt.
Just like these two like badass crime guys that came
back home and they obviously have like a whole skill
set and experience and the raidy to just run this town.
And then you get introduced to yeah, like the piece
of shit like the clan members and everything. You're like, okay,
this could be like a threat that they have to
deal with multiple times. It's already set up that well
it's not set up, but it's revealed later on that
that initial guy that was selling was like the leader
of the clan and then he was gonna come back
and murder them anyway. So it's like right there, like
you have your climax right there, even without a vampire threat.
And I did like the vampires, like that's kind of
what was getting me excited for this movie. But I
just think that the melding together of everything it just
felt so forced for me, and it's like we're.
Speaker 2: Going along with a movie. In my mind, I'm like.
Speaker 4: Man, like when are they really gonna like have these
vampires like like interact like to the point of like
violence and like full on kind of what I would
have expected most the movie was gonna be, and like
that happens, and then I swear, like ten minutes later,
it's just like the end of the movie, and I'm like, wow,
that that felt really fast. It's I'm sure it's hyperbole.
I'm sure it was more than ten minutes, but that's
just how it felt for me.
Speaker 1: Really, Okay, I felt it took quite a while from
when because to me, the start of the vampire stuff
is when they come to sing and then all yes on.
Speaker 4: So that's when it's like, okay, here we are, Like
I'm moving in my seat, like this is what I've
been waiting for this whole time. But on the other
side of the coin, I've enjoyed everything that we got
up until that point. So now I'm like, well, I
don't want to lose that, But clearly we are because
we're going to the point and overturn, people are starting.
Speaker 2: To die, vampires are they're getting in now.
Speaker 4: And then shortly after, you know, Stack gets uh gets
he gets written into the sunset by by Mary there,
but so yeah, I don't know. I'm just a little
bit conflicted because I did like parts of of like
the the violence at the end, like the action that
that was all good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It just felt like to me, I personally would have
liked the version without the vampires. But I don't know,
because maybe that wouldn't have been as good because you
don't get like the whole lore set up stuff, So
it's tough. I think I might be just asking for
too much here. That was just my thoughts when I
left the theater. I was a little bit conflicted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, I guess because I definitely
can see that so simwhere to because you've said that
you a Clay said that, I'm sure other people will.
I could definitely see that perspective. I guess. I think
what Ryanku was trying to go for is which sounds dumb,
but what if vampires were in real life and it's
the same way, I like, you wouldn't have this build up.
They would just kind of show up, right, And I
think the problem is we tubbled with so much times
where you meet all these characters in a horror movie
just like a regular let's just say Blumhouse, you know
whatever they comes out of her January, the Pool movie, whatever.
But it's just like they introduced you a threat. There's
a quick origin or like you know, opening soon where
it kills something, and then you meet all these characters,
but you don't care about them really ever. Right, Like,
how many horror movies I feel like, have we talked
about a review? There's don't get me wrong, there's many
like your screams, your nightmares, stuff like that, but opposed
to how many movies have great characters and moments and
then how many great care or how many movies have
like something that's creepy that just kills some people? Right,
And that's what I think he was trying to go for, was, Okay,
if I want to do a vampire movie but also
have invested characters. I think if you get to that
point earlier, which I guess, yeah, you have the guy
that does you know, the main I'll get his name there,
because I've never seen this. I've seen I'll take this back.
I'll come back to Jack O'Connell later on. I just
got to get his name here. Remick was his name.
That's the main vampire guy obviously at that one scene
where he meets like the uh uh, the the clan members, right,
But other than that, the first two acts for the
most part, because I can't remember when that part happens,
it is just like a regular movie. So I think
that's what he was just trying to achieve, is how
would this progress in a real world where you're just
all these things are going right, Because, like I said,
if you didn't know this, you would watch this movie
and be so shocked, where so many times it is
even Nostra right, it's Lily Rose depth standing out there
like come to me and then ah, and then it's
like okay, we don't see Anasaratu for another like forty
minutes again, but it's like right away said like okay,
that monster's coming. So I think that's kind of why
he wanted to do in my interpretation of wants to
get invest in the world, the character and their stakes,
even before they get to like the bad stake like
the worst Steaks, it's just the clan members. Yeah, that's
bad money laundering. They even talk about how people in
Chicago might be after them, so I think they just
kind of said up, like okay, this is like the
regularized stakes, but then this is the ultra you know,
break glass, what are we gonna do here? Stakes? Like
this is as bad as it can get. So I
think that's just what he was because I just wonder
if you sprinkle even myself and not that I found
I was waiting for the vampire, but I was waiting
to see how they interlocked it. So I thought that
maybe that's what he was doing, as far as, hey,
you don't need the audience isn't gonna be like, oh
I just saw that vampire kill somebody, and now there's
not killing. Right. If they make you just care about
Steinfeld and the Jordans, then maybe it's like, Okay, I
I don't even like And maybe I even worked that
way for you, right where you're like, oh, I don't
even need the vampire threat. I'm just investing that story.
So but in the other version, then maybe it doesn't
sound like for you the showdown worked from it's like
them versus vampires, where for me it's like I'm invested
all these characters and now it's like, okay, now we're
getting them versus the vampires, where usually it's a bunch
of paper thin two D characters that I really don't care.
Like in this movie when people even when I can't
remember the couple that had the daughter at the grocery
store when the husband went missing, Yeah yeah, I'm like, oh,
he's got to make it out. He's been gone for
a him saw that kale. I'm like, that's gonna be
a happy moment. And then when you just see him
walk up while the other guy's got his neck nod
and I was like, oh no, and then they even
say that thing of like, oh yeah, we're gonna go
find your daughter, right. So that's why for me, I
think that's why the vampire stuff works, because I'm so
invested in multiple characters. When they actually die, I feel
something or I'm mad versus okay, you horror movie b
that I'm invested in our star and everybody else is
just fodder that I don't really care. You know, I'm
invested in even Sammy's like, you know, woman who has
the wife and is having an affair with him and
stuff like oh man, and she has a great moment.
Like I'm invested in all these people. So I think
that's where the vampire stuff worked for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's it's fair and like maybe if you
don't have the vampire threat, this is just a lot
less of an enticing film. It's just like, okay, it's
just absolutely it's just like a Django without tarantinoisms.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not getting ninety million for just a crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah this, Yeah, so I do get that point.
Speaker 4: I think something else that was kind of bugging me
at the end was it's true, it's nice getting time
to introduce these characters and get a little bit attached
to them, to the point that when we're having the
full on shootdown, it's like, oh my god, I don't
want to lose anyone because I know their story now.
I felt like, other than like like who's like the
who's like our main cast, who's like not in like
the final group, Like after after Stack like breaks out
of the room, he leaves, it's like our remain team.
It's it's Lisa Chow right, because at that point I
think Bow or I think Bo might still be there
at that point.
Speaker 1: No, no, he's still in there when he's dead because
he's like, we don't want to be a part of this,
and or she says that to him, He's like, right, yeah,
I can't leave right, We can't leave him right now,
and she's like, we agreed to help him out. We
got a daughter, we gotta go, and he's like yeah, right.
The second she mentions the daughter, he's like, even though
I want to help my friends, we should get the
fuck out of here. So that's when they just think
Stac is dad.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's going Yeah.
Speaker 4: My point is just like I feel like majority of
the characters that we care about are like in that
final room, and it just felt like a lot of
our vampire threats, which by the end was a lot,
like I'm pretty sure they got like pretty much every
single person that left right, like they had a big
circle going on. They were like celebrating the Mayflower Queen.
It looked like at some point when they're dancing around there, Oh.
Speaker 1: God, that's what that seems horrifying, the dance and stuff,
And for me that's oh, it's you take out the
vampire stuff. It's not really creepy at all, but it's
just like this cult creepiness. You got Jack O'Connell just
doing his like Irish shuffle or whatever, Like I guess
I have seen I've heard this guy being a great
actor before I've only seen him in one thing called
uh what is it? Eaton Lake? It's a move with Fastbender.
He's really good. He's like this shit kid who's like
a villain. He's like a little serial killer and he's
like this is when he's like young Young But that's
the only thing I've heard him in. And then I've
always always be in fan guys to see like Jack O'Connell.
Jack O'Connell. He was in Skins too, Okay, that's why
people must love him too. But I'm always like, who
is this guy? After this, I'm like, Okay, I know
who the fuck this guy was, because I thought he
was he was great because he was like a villain.
But he's super charming and charismatic and just even when
like I hate to say it, but when he did
that speech to the end of like why should turn,
I was like, oh, fuck, you sold me, you know,
especially in this time when he's like you have all
this money, you this land, but are you actually free?
Like are they just gonna come back and take it
all from you again? So it's like that's not kind
of like that he was like trying to pitch them of,
like I don't care who you are. I don't care
if you white, black, Asian. It's like, let's just all
be together now. Of course it's like sinister and devils
and stuff. But like I didn't think his pitch was
that he sold me. I was like, you know what,
he might have a point here. It looked like Stack
ended up being pretty happy at the end. I'm just
gonna just gonna say that.
Speaker 2: So that's right, he's gonna hear Halee Steinfeld with him.
Speaker 1: That's why for eternity, for what a deal? What a deal?
Speaker 2: Never aging?
Speaker 1: You know, they're always fuck The sun doesn't matter. I
don't got the.
Speaker 4: Sun, just just closing out my my thoughts for what
I was trying to get across there though, I I
it just seemed like like the big Last Stand, it
was pretty much just zombies or not zombies. I guess
they're vampires, but like it's just a big horde of
vampires that like I didn't know who they were, Like
they were just the people at the party.
Speaker 2: Harry Steinfeld. What do I keep saying? Harry Steinfeld? Harry Steinfeld,
Michael B. Jordan Like corn.
Speaker 1: Bread for sure, corn bread. He was great and like
I like that scene of just like, oh, we make
enough money, maybe a wifle sucker becker and he's like
that's what I'm gonna knock the black red off of you.
And then she's like how much is it? I went
to a first, and then he's like, all right, it's
just then it's like, okay, And even though you're right,
it's on the main cast I because I'm trying to
think there's anyone else in that. So for me, I know,
I was investing the husband, so the four like mister Chow,
so that's for and then I'm not invested because he's
a good guy, but the villain I have up there
because I'm just like want to see what the hell
he does? You know, I don't know. I don't care
if planned couple. But yeah, we got some heroes on
that side that didn't make it. You know.
Speaker 4: It was just tough because it seemed like it was
the build up to like basically Storming the Beaches moment,
where like this is the big they break through. The
movies not end until we're dead or they're dead, Like
this is the last stand moment, and right before it happens,
I'm like, how the fuck are they gonna win? This
like they don't have any guns. They're like, what's well,
I actually it's a life. They have a couple of guns,
it's just not enough to like really do damage. But
I'm like, the second they get through that door, man,
like they're gonna get like one person. That person's gonna
turn to a vampire and then they're gonna turn on them.
And it's just it just didn't seem like it was
gonna be a realistic, like final stand for what I
would have expected to happen, because I figured they would
have just got wiped out instantly, Like that's just not entertaining.
Plus there's whole time left on the clock.
Speaker 1: But this rolls credit as they're all like they're all
happy together.
Speaker 2: Yeah see.
Speaker 1: And that's why I compare to Jangle because that's the
same thing where it's like Djangle goes in this mansion
and he takes on like thirty people and same thing.
He doesn't win, right, they capture him. But I think
it works better there because it's like more comedic. So
it's just like, ah, this is more dramatic, right, so
you're you're not really thinking that way. But that's why
that third act reminded me of Django going in there
and just like like how many bulls does he have?
How many guys are in this mansion? But Jangle's going
through he's like jumping through doors. Yeah, he's jumping through
the doors like he's just destroying people. I had issues
with that scene overall, because I agree. I love the
bill Up. I love when you can tell Missus show's
like she's gonna fucking invite them and you're just like,
oh my god, like don't in. They're like they're all
getting that feeling. She's making Maltov cocktails, like what are
you doing? And then when she's just like get the
fuck in here. A great shot of Jack O'Connell when
it's like there's like it's just him on the beach
and there's like smoke behind him and he just smiles
and his eyes, which I appreciate because not to the
same degree but in Taylor and Kirklan can notify. This
is when we were doing Adrenochroma, I was like, one
of my inspirations for Hunter was the wolf from Put
Some Boots, and Ryan Coogler said that's what his one
of the inspirations for the Eyes when he saw put
Some Boots he's like I want the vampires to have
those eyes. But that shot when she says come in
the fucking here and he's just smiling, it's like that
sigh of relief, like oh good, I'm gonna sit here
all night, and then boom. My problem was like, yes,
it was the way they I wish they did something
where because she throws that cocktail and he just like
throws that out of like doesn't do anything. I wish
there was a way where it in my head to
make that seem a bit better. You throw that cocktail
and that kind of keeps some of them out right,
like obviosly's not gonna kill them, but maybe then only
a few come in at instead of this being like
I'll say it's like I'll be nice. I'll say it's
like twenty four people. Let's say like two dozen vampires.
So and there's like, oh see, Michael B. Jordan, he's
worth like five guys, but like Delroy is a drunk,
you know, I don't know, Sam, he's not a fighter.
Michael B. Jordans keeps both Michael B. Jordans beat him
the fuck up multiple times in this movie, like handing
him this and that and stuff like that. But so
the built this scene is great, and my issue was
like there's I feel like there's multiple shots where they
show the vampires jumping onto people and they're attacking people
that like that have not been in this barn before,
like like other good guys that like where were they,
like i'd have This is why I legitimately this can't
go against my critiques because I have to rewatch it.
I just remember vampires jumping on people, being like, I
don't think they were with our crew, Like this doesn't
make sense, So that's more of a memory thing. But
there's stuff like, okay, when you said Annie was the
girl from looking right at the character name, so great scene.
They set that up right, hey if you And that
was all what a heartbring reveal. I didn't even clock that.
I should have went the small rock and I just
have a small baby when they do the light yours
babies when he goes to see her, and there's more
about her with the voodo stuff. I going aain too.
But there's like that little memorial stuff. At first I
thought that might be his dad's right, because they set
up that his dad they killed his dad or his
dad died or whatever, it's like okay. But then the
second you know they get that they obviously they have
a connection. Still they make love and then later on
when they reveal they had a kid together and she
says like, hey, I got some way from me on
the side. You do too, and they should have flashedback.
It's the rock with the little hand form, like holy shit.
And then she's like, don't let me become one of
those things. So when he kills her, he's killing her great,
see I'm not shouldn't laugh, Like fantastic acting by them both.
But then for some reason, Haley's signing film returning like
we gotta get out of here, we gotta go. The
sun's not coming up at all, Like where do you
gotta go? There's in that scene, there's multiple kind of
plot armor. Elma, I wish like just do something here
and something that like I shouldn't laugh, but like so
missus child, she throws a cocktail. Great, she runs, takes
down one and then herself get sets on fire and
we just got multiple shots going and she's on fire
killing one vampire. I know, granted, but at least like
make her sacrifice take down a couple because here's the
thing too. Her whole plot is I gotta I guess
she just wants to kill him, right, But it's just
like I gotta get back to my daughter or some
of my daughters. It just feels like, yeah, you killed
your husband, but it's just for me. It was funny
when they kept going back to her and it was
just one of them. But still the same time, it's
very intense, like it shot very well. It's very dramatic
and like kind of emotional times like that. But I
just thought, like, oh, this is all you got. Like
everyone else is fighting multiple vampires and here you are
just burning yourself alive.
Speaker 4: It's like she started this whole fucking thing, like like
she's killing all these people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think there's parts of the scene. I
think the filmmaking of the scene is great, like shots, wise, music,
build up, everything like that. But I think there's some
uh of the writing or just story beats that didn't
make sense for me, and that's that's probably I still
like that portion, but it's probably the weakest part for
me because there's a couple times that took me out
of like they said, I don't remember that guy. Why
she doing this? Why did Michael B. Jordan, Haley Steinfeld
just run off in the middle of this attack like
they had them did the rights. Michael B. Jordan just
sitting there crying, like just pounce on your brother and
you got I know, it just felt very even though
I love. At some point they get up and they
open this door and it's just great, like music cute.
It's almost a jump scare and it's Remick and he's
like sermy and he just jumps so and he grabstanding
by the face. He's like, oh my. So that's the thing.
It's like every time there's like I have something that's
an issue, there's like three things that I love in
the scene.
Speaker 2: So no, it's it's totally fair.
Speaker 4: I was right there with you though, with the uh
Michael by Jordan Haley just like get up and run away.
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fuck is happening here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: The whole goal is to like take these people, but
they're they're just gonna bow out here, recoup, and then
they just like, well, I guess I'm a little fuzzy
on what happens after that, because at what point does
Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan get Michael B. Jordan and then like with the
steak and then.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the top, so that's when they get upstairs.
It's him, Sammy and I can't remember the lady.
Speaker 2: Who was the Perlene I think is her name?
Speaker 1: Was it Pearlene? Yeah, because that's another actress I was.
I have to look up and see because I know
her from somewhere. Yeah, Pearline, they're all together. She gets bit.
But yeah, when that door opens, here he goes, oh, Sammy,
it's those two up top, Michael, and so I don't
know where Seinfeld went in that moment, uh, but yeah,
it's they were up there. And then that's when you
didn't get the reveal that Smokes didn't kill Stack and
that that like off seconds later on. So yeah, it's
up top when they're trying to make their escape, Michael
B Jordan bat you know, Stack and Remick was just
sitting up there waiting for an open to strike.
Speaker 4: So okay, yeah, it was a little bit. I mean,
there's just so much going on in those serios. I
also just what's his name, the harmonica piano player? Something
Slim Dealt the Slim I think is his name. I
loved him throughout the whole movie. I like, he was great, Yeah,
does he get bit in the fight? Like why does
he sacrifice himself there? I was so confused. And then
he like slices his arm and he's like, gon't get it,
and he's just like sprints or the vampires.
Speaker 2: I keep saying zombiously.
Speaker 1: I did think he was gonna blow something up, but
I think he was just trying to get the Horde
onto him because they're still hungry vampires, right.
Speaker 4: And then okay, but like thirty second delay and then
they just go up the stairs because there's like t
many floors.
Speaker 2: I just I was chuckling on myself in that.
Speaker 4: Moment because he like, he's like, everybody go upstairs, and
they're like no, like come with us. He's like, no,
I got this, and he just slices his arm and
then yeah, less than a minute later, we're upstairs again.
Speaker 1: But I I didn't know this. The girl that plays
what is it their pearline, she's the fucking Bella Reale
from the Batman, like the one that's running for mayor,
the new mayor. She gets shot. Yeah, I don't remember
who she was, but she's the in the She's the
in the woman can't really like. But she's also in
eggar Wright's Running Man that comes up next to Glenn
pal so she's breaking out big time. But now, yeah,
I didn't even clock. I just whole movie. I'm like,
I've seen this one before. Yeah is that? And that
makes sense because I've watched The Batman multiple times and
that was actually the only second thing she ever did
was The Batman, So I've seen it so many times.
I was like, where is this person? But yeah that
I liked her a lot. I'm again looking forward to
see what all she does in the future. I liked
their lot lots of affairs going on here. You know,
Haley Steinfield's married, Pearline's married. But I like right away
where they're flirting at the train station, she's like, you know,
I'm married, don't get any ideas, and she walks away
and there's just like that glance between the two and
happily yeah, yeah, yeah, happily Yeah. I love the love
making scene for the I thought was good dramatic wise,
but also just comedy wise of you know, listen to
my cousin. You see what he's getting that.
Speaker 4: It's what's her name? Like, yeah, missus Chow is like,
and then she's just Missus. Chow also like that actress.
She was fantastic for me the whole film. I I like,
she doesn't do that much like on her own, but
just like the way that she like lifts every scene
that she she's in was just fantastic. I think both
her and mister Chowd they just felt like very real
type of like just well written people are like like
characters for not being your mains. Like they just felt
very very realistic. I love the scenes like early on
when they're when they're dealing with smoke, and like like
with the daughter, dynamic and just excellent filmmaking. The way
that like they they have, Like the camera follows missus
Oh no, it's the daughter at that point, it goes
to the one store hands and then they switch and
then it follows her back. It's just like, man, this
is just such a well crafted piece of cinema.
Speaker 1: Here second she out of that restaurant, I'm like, oh,
they're doing a Wanner right here. It's like not a
bad thing, but you could just feel like the way
they set up the camera and everything went around, I'm like, oh,
they're gonna do Wonner and they did. I was gonna say,
did you ever end up seeing Babylon a couple of
years ago with Margot Robbie and other Nipple, the actress
that plays missus Chaw. She's in there is Margot Robbie's
girlfriend for like a segment of the field. Like no,
I like from a like a segment meaning maybe like
act too. But yeah, if you ever watched that, that's
something to keep right because yeah, she's really good. Yeah,
there's just a lot of really good people in this
goddamn movie, you know. So yeah, I didn't have the
same problem with the Delta Swim, but I'm not saying
here again it's like the Michelle thing. I wish the
sacrifice meant a little bit more of, you know, instead
of just the husband take up multiple instead of just
like because it wasn't a moment where they need to
get away per se, like of course they need to
get away, but just something where That's why I thought,
because he had the liquor and he was by the liquor,
I thought he was like lighting that place up. So
it's like, okay, this makes sense, get them on you
then boom power keg and at least are on fire.
They're running around, like I could see that that's a
good diversion of him, like these vampires on fire, but
that didn't like he bought them sometime of course, but
uh uh, but yeah, great character Tellroy Linda Lindo is like,
he's such a really great character actor. But from the
moment we meet him, I can't say he's the heart
of a movie because that's probably God, what's the cousin Sammy? Sam?
That's probably Sammy. But if it's like number two and
even it's tough not to say it for smokes that
there's multiple characters have that. But all the way from
we meet him outside to him telling his story and
tell him like get off the corner because it's my spot,
and how he's not gonna leave his job to like
the story with his dad and the story about his
slave years, and all the way through like man, and
he just seemed like a guy you'd want to hang
out with, you know, when he relieves a corn right
off his post and everything like that. He's just cracking
jokes and just but but the second he gets serious,
I like that. Other than at one point he said
he shoot himself. I didn't need that joke. That didn't. Uh,
that didn't work for me because he's with the vampires,
but on that he cracks and he's completely serious and yeah,
great character here.
Speaker 4: So yeah it uh it just makes his send off
that much harder for me to swallow. You just fantastic
moments throughout the whole film for him, and as you
already mentioned, just like when they're driving, it's Sammy Stack
and himself for driving, and they go across they like
come across the chain gang, you know, working on like
on the side of the road there, and then that's
when he like goes into just a little more backstory.
Speaker 2: And just.
Speaker 4: Like that, I feel like that is like where like
a director like Coogler is just like shining so much
more as opposed to someone else that just does like
a generic action movie because like you just don't get
those like really powerful scene because like that doesn't have
any to do with vampires, you know what I mean. So,
like so in the early film, when we're getting all
this like supplement for these characters, all all the backstory,
I'm just like, man, like I want to watch a
twenty four episode season of these guys and just like
their adventures. I love all these characters, so and then
and then we get to the third act and just
vampires now, and we're just gonna this is how we
kill off every character it's in this movie. And I
think it was just like that more than what happened
with the vampires is what I just am upset about. Yeah,
but it was the decision that was made.
Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, no, it's it. It's a vampire movie,
so that's where it's yeahs now going back right.
Speaker 4: And I also very wish I didn't see the trailer
before this one, especially.
Speaker 1: Trailer with the Michael B. Jordan turn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, I couldn't remember what trailer was specifically, but
I'm like, man, if I got like going into this
movie and then I learned a little bit more vampires,
and then I'm like, man, hopefully nothing happens to either
one of these brothers, and you don't know which one
it could be, but it's like, well, it's stack kids,
It's shown in the fucking trailer, So I'm just waiting
for that moment to happen the whole movie. Yeah, Yeah,
that was pretty agreed. The other one, too, that really
bugged me was the trailer scene that got me really
really hyped is Michael B. Jordan rocking that Tommy gun?
And he doesn't fucking have that gun through the whole film.
So I'm like, was that just like a fake scene
that they added the trailer? And then of course at
the end him and Sammy pulling out this crate. I'm like,
for fox sakes, he's gonna pull up the Tommy gun here,
He's gonna light up some some clan members, which is great,
you know, they deserve it, but like, fuck it just yeah,
a little a little upset about that one. So trailer
not to the level for no way home for me,
but uh or far way far away from far far
far from home. Yeah, shouts out to that one, that
that one scarred me for life.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, the first one was just more teaser,
and then that one gave me way too much a
way if I has Kougar would have been pissed at
least Michael B. Jordan part right, I get the Tommy
gun one because it's like Michael B. Jordan, he's looking
shot yet in the theater. Get him on there, you know,
so uh and yeah that that was an interesting scene,
Like this scene this movie reminds me of you know,
Returning the King. You got like five different endings here,
but that scene alone is great where yeah, they had
this meeting with uh uh maybe or maybe not member
of the clan. He's that doesn't work down here, calls
them boys. Oh no, that's just the way we speak.
Don't worry, like I don't mean anything by it. But
he shows up with again it's like the vampires like,
and I'm seeing him out of clan members where I'm like,
how is Michael by Jordan gonna get out of this?
And it's not just like they're there. They're there with
guns like they have a lot of but it's.
Speaker 2: Red Redemption one, you know it is.
Speaker 1: But Michael Jordan wins. He pretty much he kills them
at least you know where rip to John Marston, but
he's like just in the bush of a sniper in
the dirties hell the Tommy gun. Yeah, he kills them all,
gets a cigarette. But that's where like again with it
on the Spiritual Sensus movie when they talked about earlier
and he's like, oh, you know, I got some way
from me on their side when he sat down, he
just looked over and saw her holding like their child
that they lost. I didn't actually choke up, but he
got me like, man, this is like a this is
a fucking powerful ending right here, Like this is good stuff.
Which again they're like, you don't get that in like
a vampire slasher movie. Like again, I will walk that
back Golden Geek's Winner. I do think nos Ratu did
that right. I'm not saying people, I'm saying but nos
Fratt too. I think ended in a way like that
where it's like, oh, this is very powerful, deep ending
with how you know, nos rot who's taken care of
so again, other than I'll take out Rob Ergers nos Ratu,
these type of movies you don't get like a huge
character moment like that that makes sense and it's touching
and it's it's he's on a suicide mission there, you know,
because when he sits down, he's rolling his cigarette and
he rips off that thing that I can't remember what
they called it.
Speaker 2: I think it was the mojo in the mojo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they've kind of establishes whatever she is, girlfriend, wife,
love or whatever, the person he wants to be with
is dabbling some sort of voodoo, you know, something, some
magic and everything like that. So She's given him this mojo,
even to the point where later on Stack tries to
bite Smoke and it doesn't work. It's almost like a
cross on his neck that's like stopping him from doing that.
But when he rips off that that thing, it's like,
oh man, he of course he wants to kill these
CLAM members, but he's just looking to die. He's looking
for a reason to die here. And yeah, no, I
thought that was great. I don't know how I feel
about now with the other endings we've gotten, but I
need to again, that's somewhere I need to sit on
because I think it's a powerful moment. And then off
Steel to Ankratz Layer. You got like another moment later on,
but uh, and then you got another moment with Samy.
There's a lot, Like I said, there's lots of stuff
going on, but I thought that was a grate full
circle for that character. So yeah, it was a great
end for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then like really really beautiful touching scene.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 4: And then I just I hated how it like quickly
shoots back to that remaining member.
Speaker 2: He's like, I got money.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: It's like, what why even have him speak in this moment,
like just fucking let like he should have bled out already.
Speaker 2: It should have just been Michael B.
Speaker 4: Jordan's seeing his is what could have been and then
just fade away, Like I feel like that would have
been such a better moment. Uh, even even the part
when uh he shoots him, then he asked him for
a cigarette, and then he's like fuck off, you know,
he says a racial slur, whatever the fuck he says
to him, and then like a second later, he just
like pulls out a cigarette. He's like, here you go. Yeah,
it just seems so clunky. I'm splitting hairs here.
Speaker 2: It's not a big thing.
Speaker 1: But he did do that at the beginning though, right
because he did say kind of like he was gonna
sell him the place, and then they kind of looked
at him sideway it's like, okay, well, you know it's
yours if you want it, but I just need the money.
So I think they're just trying to say that like
he's he's he's a racist piece of shit, but he's
still cowered at the like anytime he gets pressed, like okay, no,
I'll like you doesn't matter that you're not white. I'll
come to you, But I did appreciate him just getting
fucking just loaded up.
Speaker 2: With that's fair.
Speaker 1: You didn't miss not a single one of those missed. Uh,
tough way to go out.
Speaker 2: So cool.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: We kind of heard about Steinfeld a little bit. I
was really just intrigued. I think by the setup I
saw her in the trailers. I didn't know what was
her inclusion was gonna be, but I like everything in
the first act, Like, I was just totally loving the
backstory there. How there was there was history like built up,
some some tension, but some history, like how she kind
of like they detail why she's so close with everyone
in this community. And yeah, I was totally just in
aged and under the false narrative that she was really
not gonna kick the bucket that early. But man, she
goes out to see the fucking the trio playing their
little fiddles there, and yeah, it's quite a way to go.
I really like how it was shot too, how she
like almost gets out of there and then it like
he just like leaps and then it cuts like, oh man,
just really really great because you don't really see a
lot of like the takedowns from the vampires. It's like
like quick shot and then you just see them later on,
and then of course it's like, okay, Cornbread, there's no
way he fucking got out of that situation, you know
what I mean, like like he's coming up to the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure had somewhere. But they did a
good job of just building the tension with that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, with with Haley's character there, I was I
was pretty surprised to see her go that early, and
it was I mean, that's really just what gets us going.
And then of course Stack he takes one last ride,
and yeah, at.
Speaker 1: Least as a human though I'm sure he's taking more
rides and the past, like it's true fifty seventy years
and whatnot. But yeah, one because in case we never
talked about love the corn bread where it's the fireflies
and you kind of see the eyes there. That was
a great moment there, And I liked that character to
these fun comedic relief that not like feeling like comedice
relief like oh here he comes there, like very natural
situational humors. That worked. Steinfeld. That's what confused me because
I knew again Becausetralia's I knew she was becoming a
vampire at some point, so obviously later on I did
figure it out because I'm just like, hey, well vampires,
it can't be in daylight, but you never know vampire
rules and what they're doing, right, And she was weren't
happy when I saw the train station. I'm like, Okay,
she already a vampire or she like affiliated with these
vampires and stuff like that, because I'm trying to make
the connection of what I've seen in marketing and everything,
because all we've seen is hers vampire and her looking
really hot, right, And that's one thing where, don't get
me wrong, they got her saying some wild shit in
here about steel and pussy and you know, you fucked
me so good, Like she's got a dirty mouth. But she,
for the most part, i'd say, for Act one and
a half too, is like I won't say prim and proper,
but like a a nice younger woman who like, yeah,
can be crass, can't throw it down, but she is
more just, uh, i'd say, approachable and more regular where
once that happens everybody, But in the marketing, I just
feel like they kept showing her dancing and looking really hot,
like just a sex pot, right, But like that's what
i'd say, is she's not a sex pot character until
she becomes a vampire. Yeah, And that's where from an
acting standpoint, like that too, because I feel like you
see the more normal regular, the person you could, you know,
have a heartfelt feeling towards She's just lost her mother,
she is married. But this is a guy that said,
like a very confusing conversation I was trying to figure
out where you know. She's like, oh, you said you
love me. He's like, well, you didn't listen to what
else I said. And she's like, well, yeah, he told
me to leave me to fuck her alone. And he's like, yeah,
she'd listen to that. But then later on we hear
some they're talking again and she's made something might be
Jordan said like he'd be back for so sounds like
they had a very rocky relationship at some point. But
you know, I can look past some of the okay,
what's going on here because that happens with many people.
But that's what I enjoyed was the differences of her
as with the vampire, because like, we we get to
see that with Stack a bit, but I feel like
he disappears. Steinfeld's the most you get to see with
okay before Vampire and after Vampire, And like I said,
I was not really expecting any of this character. I
wasn't expecting my Michael B. Jordan's character to have like
a one that got away or anything like that, especially
from her, so and I thought they had good chemistry
and uh yeah, very great moment of the sex scene
into that because you just don't know when it's gonna happen.
At one point, she like pushes his neck back, but
she just kisses him and just like such like a
good like she's drooling and they established it earlier because
Remick he's drooling when he's about to bite her and
that goes away, but she's drooling and then Michael Jordan's
kind of like what the fuck's going on? But then
she like turns into a sex scene I want something
like yeah, and then they started doing it's like yeah.
I was like, oh that was so good though, because
he has no idea. He's just like in your fork
moment of like oh, oh I love this person again
because again she's married. And you know, I bought because
I did not see that coming. I love that they
tied up to that. These two brothers, they worked for
al Capone, you know, one of the biggest gangsters. She's
the one that found out because they say like, oh,
we got liquor from cameras the Irish and someone else.
Speaker 2: The Italian wine, and then they had Irish beer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's holy like you have this really rich stuff.
Haley Seinfeld figure out that they pretty much just stole
from multiple mobs, but then pinned it on each other
and then they got out of there, right, so I
bought the reasoning for both of them. Where Smoke was
more centric on the cousin, kind of talking like he's
telling him to go to buy you all stuff, it
really just felt like he was trying to say, like,
they don't want him around here because their life right
like almost if it ever catches up to them, they
don't want to be responsible for their cousin getting gunned
down or anything like that. Smoke didn't phrase it that way.
He was almost making it like, you know, talking down
to him, but I feel like he meant that way.
And then with Stack and Hay Seinfeld's character can't remember
what was her name? Oh boy, Hay's character, Yeah, that's
fucking time to be It's mery, Okay, and then with
her I bought that too. Of Hey, they wanted to
go out make a name for themselves, become free, get
a bunch of money, and they couldn't be together. Whether
it was because the crime, whether it's because the way
people see her, which that's something that they only touched
a little bit about this, but it is like a
you know, I'm not trying to be like, oh, explain
how it is. I just go from my experience of
like with Kyle, he is a black dad and a
white mom, and I had many conversations about that where
when you have that or if people consider you like
light skin, that can be like a form of racism
within the race, like within that community of you know,
everybody is with each other, but then it's like, oh,
but you're not black enough, right, like you don't you know.
And I'm not saying I'm not saying people whatever their
experience is with that, but that's what they touched upon
this movie is multiple characters being like, oh, you don't
really belong here. She's like, well, I'm half black, like
my father was half black, Like I have that there.
But even there's that great moment of when Remick and
his little clam people are out there and like, oh,
you can't come in. This is just for you know,
people of ourll ill get to that, and he's like, well,
how'd she get in? You know, and it's just like
they're like, oh, like cause she's just like a couple
of scenes ago talked about how people she is black
and she's in this community, but people don't really accept
her because she's not. She is more fierce skinned looking
right z. Yeah. So then right away Remitt calls her
out and you know, I'll see and he's like, oh,
she's family, but she's like, oh, man, like hit right
to the bone. So they didn't go too deep on that,
but I appreciate that because I felt like, like we
were talking about with Delta, I feel like that just
gave me more little like three D demension, three third
dimensional if I can say that, right of for the character,
like what they're going through, right, it's not just oh,
she's in love of Michael B. Jordan, Like you could
easily do that right of long lost love, but it's like, oh,
she feels like that way, but then she also has
her own struggles on the side going on here, and
she also lost her mom, so they just like layer
all these characters with multi things where it's like, Okay,
I have an idea of who Mary is now and
what her struggle have been in this life and uh
but yeah she also was just again poor. I wonder
what Mary and uh god, what was a perme line?
Was her character? Yeah? Per line? I wonder pearline. I
wonder what their husbands think. You know, their wife's just
went out, went from them, come back and not good stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, mess when they go check out the juke joint.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these clan members might be Jordan's. It's tough time,
all these ash everywhere. But I digress. Let's say break,
We'll be right back, and we're back. Where do you
want to go next? Here?
Speaker 2: Any characters we haven't touched upon?
Speaker 4: Yes, I guess they like the start of the movie
starts with Sammy and his his father and they're Tarantinoism.
Speaker 1: Start at the end, we're getting back to the beginning.
Speaker 2: You know, I really like the opening. I thought it
was really good.
Speaker 4: Get you it did like I didn't really react, even
though it did get me, Like it got me internally,
but I didn't jump physically, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 1: I jumped because I was not it. I was not
expected at Oh if people for some reasons don't watch
the movie. Samy shows up, he's holding a guitar, his
face just fucking slashed to god knows whatever, and he's
going to a church. We don't know at this point.
By this point as fall as the pastor. But as
he's walking up, it's just like a big jump scare
and flash of Jack O'Connell's remickage. And then the other
ones didn't get me because I knew, okay, this is
what they're doing with that first one. I was expecting that.
I just know he's walking into church and he's talking
to his dad or my Son'm like, okay, what's gonna happen?
Then they just fucking got me. And yeah, before I
forgot you mentioned that I absolutely loved the Jack O'Connell
getting handy Steinfeld think he's like, oh, she's a way,
and just to see him like flow, because again, you
don't know what vampires do at all media Some fly,
some disappear, some turn to bat So when it's like okay,
I know they're gonna get her, but house and then
just like that little levitation of boom cut. There's another
one it might have been with Cornbread too, where someone
was saying something and they used it wasn't a jump scare,
but they timed the sound to like Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan push through the door, Yeah, clever something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, clever editing throughout. So yeah, it's back to Sammy
and the church going from Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just thought it was a really really great setting
the tone. It's funny because this is when I'm like
going to the theater to see a vampire movie, and
then everything after this, I'm like, I don't even want
the vampire movie anymore.
Speaker 2: This is good stuff.
Speaker 4: But I thought it was really a tone setter, especially
for what's gonna happen later on. And it's always interesting
when you get like an event like this happens, like
let's just say any movie it starts, I guess. Another
example that's just Randy popped my head is the First
Strangers movie when it starts with like the phone call
of like the chaos, yeah, and then and then the
movie is before all of this chaos. Then you're like, Okay,
something terrible is gonna happen. And then especially when they
give us like the one day earlier, I'm like, Okay,
this is the this is the set timeframe for this
entire movie. It's gonna all happen in one day. So
it's just I don't know. I I guess I just
like adventures like that, and it's kind of a reoccurring
thing I've noticed with vampire movies. I can't name many,
but another one that comes to mine is from Dust
Till Dawn. That's like another very similar just timeframe window
where I guess it's in the name though of the title.
Speaker 1: Nostros had that too, right with the whole like they
have like I'll be back in the third night or whatever.
It was right, like, it didn't start that way, but
midway nos Rot Duo gives his timeline of like I'm
gonna be back on this scene, better be fucking me.
Speaker 2: You know, they're very punctual and they're very like to
their rules. These vampires. You know, they don't enter unless
you invite the men.
Speaker 1: I'd have to go back. I guess. I guess it's
started with the Draguline novel. And that's fine, right because
you know that. But for that, like, if I make
a vampire movie, I don't think I'm putting that in there.
I think it's the dumbest thing ever. It's just like
they can do anything they want. They can fly, they
can eat, but it's like they can't walk in a
room unless you say you're invited, Like can they not
go anywhere? Then? Like can they not go to McDonald's
unless they ask the fucking chef that they're like, hey,
can we come in? Like yeah, sure? Like it's just
like the dumbest thing. And that's one point where I'd
say a minor critique. I get why they had to
do it, but felt almost like a I won't say
scary movie, but a calmedy or a movie that took
place in our day when something I was fine with. Okay,
I can't remember what the first six Oh it was,
hey Cipher, right, she's fucking eating him and everything like that.
She gets shot like five times and then she just
gets up and runs away, right, So I was like, okay, this,
you know. And then oh Annie just says like, oh
there's an evil in her, right, evils come back like that?
That tracks for me. They she's into voodoo, doesn't know
exactly what it is, but just knows it has like
the devil's work, right, And then they talk about, oh
you should, you know, move the Stack's body because some
mad's gonna happen. They never do. I hate it in
a good way. I hated people kept putting their eyes
against that door because he just fucking stabbed. Right, get
your eyeway from that hole. It never happened, but I
thought for sure one of these characters was gonna get it,
and I think that was the point of the scene.
But anyway, so I think I can't remember when it happened.
I think, does Stack get out of there before Cornbread
comes back? Or no? I think it's after right, Stack's
ran away or sax. No, he's still yeah, because he
breaks out the room, he runs, and then corn Bread
comes back.
Speaker 4: I think, right, yeah, yeah, because that's when like shit
really gets going because he grabs his arm goes to shoot.
Speaker 1: Oh great scene when they's like, oh, just give me
the money, and Michael B. Jordan's still kind of yeah.
Oh no, I think Stack is still dead at this
point because he's just given him money for the night, right,
because why would he be like he just saw his Yeah,
he just saw his brother come back life. So I
think he's still like, hey, weird. Shit's happening, but I
know what's up corn Bread, and like Shiem says, like,
why aren't you coming here? My problem with all this
was this happens, Like I said, great scene, he grabs
the arm. You just see like this quick cut of
corn Bread's face from the vampire gun shot to the head.
He gets out of there right close the door. And
then we get to Anne, who just like just vampire
exposition one oh one. It feels like it's a kid
in twenty twenty. That's like watch a bunch of vampire movies,
like they're like vampires. Yeah, what do we need? Well,
we got wood steaks, we got the clove of garlics,
and you know, don't get me wrong, this is where
I'll have to educate myself more. Maybe at this point
already in nineteen thirty two, the myth of the vampire,
like even like when when was like TRACKL was written
so long? All right, how long original novel? Like when
did that come out?
Speaker 2: Very long time ago? Yeah, it's interesting even before.
Speaker 1: Eighteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, But you know what, this movie takes.
Speaker 1: Place in nineteen thirty two. So to me, I don't care.
Maybe people will say I'm wrong. But without social media
and in and everything like that like that, that's only
like under forty years. I don't know if it's so
well known that these are like garlic U Sun like
that she knew everything. I get it, the idea as well,
she's into that stuff, she would know. I guess it's
just again speaking like Nonsparachi, the juxtaposition of we gotta
find a professor like Will Nafoe knows everything and he
takes days to keep looking into this, where she just, yeah,
I know this, this this. It felt too easy, and
I wish there was almost a way that they just
did it, Like I get the invite you thing in
because that's like a it was a good tension biller,
and I thought those scenes were great, but the actual
weapons of the steaks and the gar like and you know,
I guess the garlic gave us that scene of them
all going around and trying and like, you know, I
thought that was funny enough. What did the blood end
up being? Again, I can't.
Speaker 4: Remember, Uh, like a bottle of something because you lifted
something up and it's like, oh, it came from this,
but I can't remember exactly what it was. Yeah, So
the poor fucker. Man, you just get knocked out, you
get dragged out in the yard. It's like, come on, man,
I'm sorry. He has like no idea what's going on right,
Like he's like, I'm sorry, but my tab like he's
not saying anything vampire related, and then fucking cornbread takes
a jump out of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But like I said, yeah, that that for me
didn't feel natural. Oh this is vampire. Here's everything noble vampire.
It's like, Okay, that's feels like this should be like
a modern day movie now. So I wish there was
a way they could have tweaked that a bit.
Speaker 4: But I think in the moment, I was one hundred
percent agreements with you. It's just like, oh, can we
just like check box ree stereotypical like vampire rule right
in here. But this is also a world that vampires
are are real. I don't know how common they are.
But like she's also kind of like a witch doctor
type thing, so like she you know, she's she's given
like prescription medicine out to these these little children painter
with fake money. So I I think I just kind
of let it let it go there. But the yeah,
the execute, it's like Okay, at some point we're gonna
have to detail the rules of vampires for anyone that
doesn't know what a vampire is.
Speaker 2: So it just kind of felt, okay.
Speaker 4: Let's get through this skip skip cut scene please, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, any other characters in any other moments we
haven't talked about, that's our note there. Finale's pretty good
with you know, in the water. I think Remick is
looking crazy. His nails are huge, and his teeth popping off,
and then you get the guitar to the head and
then they stab him and he's burned up for a
long time. You know, he's uh, he was gone there.
So yeah, but I enjoyed the killing of Remick and
all the other people that are standing there burning and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it was it was a good sequence.
What do you think I thought about it?
Speaker 1: I say, what do you think about that music scene?
When we got all the eras of music?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a little bit unsure about all the details.
But I can't like, I can't, I can't do anything
but like credit the actual execution of the scene, all
those moving parts, and like just yeah, very different style.
Speaker 2: You got twerkers in there, you got.
Speaker 4: DJs, so it got to a point where I was like,
it is a little bit like I don't even know
the right term for it, just a little I don't
eve think cheesy is the right way, because like that's
what they wanted to do, and like it's not really cheesy.
It was just like a lot of mixing of everything
all at once, especially for a movie that doesn't really
feel like a back to the future film where I'm
gonna be seen like a Jimi Hendrix type character in
this film. Uh, but I I couldn't help, but like, yeah,
just just tip my hat to like the actual execution
of it, because there's just so many moving parts and
it's going around, and it's just doubling down on the
idea of like the whole lower and mythos that was
introduced at the earlier like like when it's like a comic,
like it's it's it's like an anime. Yeah, And so
I loved it. And then like the last part of
when they cover it at the very start of the
film is when it goes to the window and it's
like those red eyes looking in like the thread is
out there. And then and then in that scene it
goes to the vampires and like them just being drawn
to it. So I ended up really really liking it,
even though in the moment when that guy just comes
out with the electric guitar and he's looking like he's
straight out of the eighties, I'm like, whoa, what is
going on here? And then yeah, we just keep getting
more and more and it's all from the future, like
there is things from the past and make different cultures
and stuff look like like a more I don't know,
like first Nation headdress thing. They had some African like,
yeah people in there.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just you could probably use is
the tipping point for the movie, right. I feel like
that's because after that, that's when you get them knocking
and wanted to come in, and you just play some music,
which they play like the most like white version of
like what going on, Like they're kind of laughing about it.
But that's what I almost not trying to like to
defend it because I liked it more but I and
I don't think it really works that way, but in
the way of almost like that gets you the supernatural point,
like it's all it's a pretty much a crime film,
relationship drama, character drama. Then that musical thing happens and
it's like, okay, now vampires. You know, it's almost like,
oh yeah, that was fucking weird. Just you wait, you know,
so I take that as like the here, here's the
change over. So no, that's fair.
Speaker 4: I I yeah, it's it's so it's it's like funny
the song that they chose. But I I sure just
love the scene of them all at the door and
they're just like what the fuck is going on here?
And they're like, come on, we can plain for you,
and they're just like killing it. They're all in sync.
They're doing like the same dance moves, which really just
doubles down that they're like a hive mine. Yes, like
they're just so in unison even their there dance move
and movements. And actually another thing, I'm gonna credit that,
and like they got ninety million dollar budgets, so it's
something that we can never achieve. But man, just the
lighting in all of these nighttime sequences, like especially when
Hailey Steinfeld was out there to like just inquire on
what's going on with them, see if they're decent people,
and they offer her a goal. This is before you know,
he floats and chomps her, but like just the lighting
is like perfect because you're able to like hide the eyes,
but like still like highlight the features of them. And
the one guy that's not Remick, like the other male
guy when he's like singing his last portion and the
camera Maybe it's just my eyes, but I swear it
was like slowly zooming in on him, and it just
made his features look more more animalistic, like like it
made him look more like a vampire. So I was
like waiting for his eyes to switch there or something.
I was waiting for him to like chomp. Never ended
up happening, but I just thought it was such a
great build up for It's like a moment where like
the viewers know more than what the person in the
situation knows, and you're just like cringing because you're like,
oh my god, like when are they gonna chop? When
are they gonna chomp? And then she goes and like
sits down next to them. I'm like, it's over for you.
Speaker 2: Fuck, this is.
Speaker 1: All I know, very very bold. Yeah no, And that's
there's another thing. The credit. This is a movie that
has many outside scenes at night. Never at any point
it was like, oh, what's going on here, it's all, well,
that looks good off so there by like a club.
So it's like they show that they're street lamps or
anything like that doesn't matter. Many movies can have lights
and it still looks like that. But like you talk
about that scene, but there's multiple others where it's like, oh,
we're night time and I can see everything going on
and it's fucking great.
Speaker 4: You know, So man just lights when they like get
power to their shack, Like right before the party.
Speaker 2: Starts, you got buddy on a ladder with his.
Speaker 4: Fucking metal hook that he's just like hitting the power
line and like you okay, so someone the works electrically.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just like, man, that is so dangerous on so
many levels, but like that's just what.
Speaker 2: You fucking did back then, you know, you just you
just make it work. But yeah, that's hopefully had some
some rubber gloves on hers. I doubt it.
Speaker 1: I think he learned now.
Speaker 2: Does he blocks it all? He's like, oh ship, and
then he's like we're good.
Speaker 4: And then he just gets back down from his ladder.
Like that guy had no idea what he was doing.
Speaker 1: We're shadowing for him. All those handburns you can get
some real bad burns at twelve am or whatever one
am when the sun comes up.
Speaker 4: You know, I wrote down, Uh, you know, it was
a nice moment when Smoke goes to meet Annie there
and then they're just reminiscent and then it gets start
starts get heated. Like at no point I thought it
was gonna like turn to a full on sex scene
until she like just fucking zoom in grab his crotch,
like a very like detailed shot where he's like.
Speaker 1: Your body hasn't forgotten me.
Speaker 4: At the point, like I don't know if Michael G.
George is like one hundred percent in with what's going on.
He's just like doesn't after that's happening. But then yeah,
it was game time. He de robed right away. But
I I just appreciated the zoom in crotch graph.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's some of those kids don't come back to
that little shack because I don't think there's any locks there.
But yeah, no, I don't know how long they've been gone,
but it doesn't matter. You know, we've gone from some
woman and they grabbed your crotch and say, yo, boy,
I didn't forget me. That's it. It came over for you.
You know, you're you're falling your knees there, So yeah,
I didn't think it was going that way either. I thought, okay,
I kiss maybe somewhere, and I thought, okay, we could
get to a sex scene. But just right there, it
was like okay, fair enough. So yeah, anything else, sir.
Speaker 2: No, I it's all my notes.
Speaker 1: Sure we'll talk about this again. Because not to give
away his full score, but Tear dropped a full perfect
score in this letter box.
Speaker 2: He was a little interested.
Speaker 1: So I feel like at least who knows, you know,
cut back to last year in March when Dune came out,
you know, thought we talked about it, so you never
know we're gonna be But at least there's definitely I
think multiple categories. I would have this in, you know, acting,
all around visuals. Yeah yeah, one of like the villain
score for me is like I think for the year
so far, I can't think of a film we've talked
about he reviewed so far that like like, if we're
to end right now, this takes score like easily.
Speaker 4: So I saw Ludwig was executive producer for this as well. Yeah, man,
he's risen up.
Speaker 1: Eh, he's moving up in the world.
Speaker 2: Not just a composer anymore. He's making movies.
Speaker 1: And did you see the Nolans, Emma Thomas and Christopher Nolan,
They the thank yous. Yeah, I think his Coogler went
to them because he was filming with different cameras this
time with film and and in imax. You should go
watch at some point. There's a very cool twelve minute
video of him just being full on educated, masterful filmmaker
of just bringing down all the different films and how
they play differently in each type of film and how
they're set up. Very nerdy ship. Yeah it's Coogler. Yeah,
very nerdy ship. But it's like, oh man, this guy
knows what he's doing. But yeah, he talked to Nolan
about some of that stuff. So yeah, well if that's it, Uh,
what would you give this for a fund rating? Yeah?
Speaker 4: This is a tricky one because I I definitely have
issues with it, like even my separate movie idea theory,
like like Separate, I still do have like some issues
on like the technicality side of it. We've broken down
pretty much all of them, well most of them at
least probably forgetting something. But but like at the end
of the day, I still I did really have a
good time with this.
Speaker 2: I I definitely want to rewatch this.
Speaker 4: Film, just like man, it's I I really love Michael B.
Speaker 2: Jordan.
Speaker 4: I feel like I like don't curd him enough because
every time I see him in something, he's just so spectacular.
And that's just like the standard I expect now, but
like seeing two Michael B. Jordan's in here and playing
different characters, like, man, this guy is this guy is
so talented.
Speaker 2: I want to see any more things but.
Speaker 1: Crazy three guys just evolving, you.
Speaker 4: Know, absolutely, maybe it'll be Michael A. Jordan here pretty
soon he'll he'll get bumped up the tier. And yeah,
like music was fantastic. Really loved the lore and set
up and the way that they.
Speaker 2: We kind of talked around it.
Speaker 4: I didn't say specifically, but I really like just the
look of the vampires in this movie with with the
distinct eyes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big bad wolf. I so, yeah, there is
a tricky score for me. I think right now I'm
gonna give it an eight point three. I don't know.
I I think eight point five is a little bit
too high with just how.
Speaker 4: Jarring the step from the regular film to the vampire
side for me was maybe on a rewatch.
Speaker 2: I won't think that too much.
Speaker 4: Obviously, it changes when you just know what's going to
be happening, And I don't know, maybe I'll be able
to see the transition from from the two stories a
little bit better on another viewing, but yeah, I don't know.
I still think it's a really, really solid film.
Speaker 2: Definitely wasn't what I was expecting.
Speaker 4: I honestly coming into this because like i'd seen the trailer,
I didn't rewatch the trailers. I thought like like Stack
was gonna be like the leader of the vampires, and
like it was gonna be like a headhead showdown, like
Smoke versus Stack.
Speaker 2: I didn't know all the details.
Speaker 1: How it was gonna work, but I thot poster behind us,
he's looking pretty evil there, but it's literally just like
his color scheme. That's what he wears, his red. You
know he's not that evil. Even oh we fuck, we
didn't even talked about the end credit thing. We even
talk about. Yeah, the movie ends. We've got that nice
moment Michael B. Jordan sees his family and then we
see Sammy, who you know, his father's like, oh, that guitar.
Now he gets back in the vehicle, drives away. He's
gonna become a fucking musician. Everything right, Maybe he goes
to buy you. And then we get the credits and
that's like they show Sammy. Yeah, we can talk about
the full ending where he's now. It's I think he
was like ninety nineteen three, so he's now an older gentleman.
But he's playing a club. It's his club or whatever,
his gig because there's a poster they're kind of marketing,
like the scratches on his us on his face on
the album cover, and he's sounding great, and he's sits
at the end of the show and the bartender somebody's like, oh,
there's two people in your ass for you, like I
understand the show and the me and greets kind of
over so show someone. He's like, nah, no, sen them
go ahead. And then and in my theater that only
had seven people, three of the people which were girls,
they like erupted like oh my god, because it was
like a they come to the doors. Michael B. Jordan
as Stack and then Haley Steinfeld is Mary. They've been
alive now for sixty years, but they have an age
in their vampires and they give a whole backstory of
how they're alive and yet da da da, And you know,
Stack's like, the only deal I made was which is again,
this is why I was like, I might take the
vampire deal, because at first, when Stack becomes a vampire,
it's like very much like, oh, Remit could be controlling
him or he's completely crazy. But where he is now,
he seems pretty control of his emotions because like that
the same night he like made a deal with his brother, like, fine,
if you let me go, I won't hurt our cousin.
That's like the way I looked at them. They looked
so crazed. At no point I thought the vampire's gonna
be like, yeah, I can make a deal with you.
But I guess so, so that's what it's again, this
vampire deal. Don't know if that bad, but yeah, he said.
Stack said to Smoke, I'm not gonna hurt him, you know,
i' let him love his life up, love the detail.
He sniffed, and he's like, oh, you know how much
time left? And he like gives him the offer though
that they could do that, and uh, then they just
kind of reminisced that they that was the last like
they consider that the greatest day of their lives, their
last best day of lives, because like they're all together.
Stack's like I could see the sun. But again, you know,
Michael or you got Haley Seinfeld just putting a fucking
screensaver like the internet. Yet Internet is gonna change the world.
They can just put a fucking ambience in the sun
and be like, oh, look at this. But uh yeah,
they're all ninety swagged down like Haley Seinfeld talked about
before they got her completely sex spot. She has like
a top tied up her lower back.
Speaker 2: Showing lollipop and like the big yeah, he's pretty much.
Speaker 1: You're just like these characters are fucking non sought for
the past, you know, seven years. But uh yeah, it was.
It was strange because I do I like that little
it's very much like an epilogue, and you made the
joke about it feeling like a chat cheep pet Taylor
and Kirk because it did go on for while. I
don't know how I feel with the placing of it
because I love that ending with smoke. At the same time,
you couldn't do like the epilogue and then go back
to smoke right, that would feel weird, So I kind
of get why you want to do that. So I
don't know if it would have been better just to
end it that way. So I don't know. This is
one I gotta sit on. But the overall scene I
did like because I liked the idea of them still
kicking around and just like a full kind of not
and I like that they didn't like turn and like
kill them. They did like keep their deal like okay,
and it was just to like say goodbye to a
family member and then they're gonna go back on to
fucking I guess in the nighttime. But I did like
the scene. Just have to think about it more as
far as the placing. And then we had another end
credit was just you know, the sam Is singing, which
you know, fine.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't say for that one. I stayed
for the juicy one.
Speaker 1: I wasn't happy about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Plus at that point I was the only guy in
the theater and I'm like, I don't want to scare
the fucking here, and I'm just I'm just standing here alone.
I did like the scene. I think it was a
little bit just like perplexed on why like the vampires
or I guess specifically Stack would.
Speaker 2: Have like.
Speaker 4: Stuck true to the deal he made with with Smoke.
I don't know, Like I guess he's just very honorable.
It's just to your point, like they just seem so
blood craze that like like, yeah, you better not fucking
come back and kill us, you know, or that's that
like it just seemed a bit of a stretch and
then yeah, and I just think for how the vampires
were shown before that, I wouldn't have believed that a
vampire like would stay to that. But maybe it was
just tied to to Remiic and just that he was
kind of the leader. And then because he died, maybe
they just have more free will.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly.
Speaker 4: It's a little bit fuzzy there, but I did like
the sequence, and I did like how because something that
like is mentioned, like it's it's kind of minor, but
it is mentioned in the film that like just the
effect that like the music has on the vampires as well,
Like that's what Remick says, right, like he wants Sammy yeah,
to get these like well like memories or just like taken.
Speaker 2: Back to people.
Speaker 1: Wants he wants the songs.
Speaker 4: She's clearly very passionate about his own music, is his
Irish music. So yeah, and then of course just how
uh Stack and Uh and Mary are just kind of
like reacting to that moment when uh, yeah, it's just
given a little bit of a little bit of blues again. Yeah,
you know, the good old stuff is. As I said, So,
I did like the sequence. I love the the outfits too.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of fun to fucking like Stack like,
oh yeah, like the knuckles, like like the ones, yeah,
like life, Yeah he has that and just says Stack.
It's like awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I did appreciate And I was just surprised by
the length. I don't think I've seen an end credit
scene that long in a really long time. And you know,
there's a couple pople in my theater that you completely
missed that whole scene. So I definitely think it's an
okay end credit. But they could have done like and
director and then like play that sequence, you know, like
like not wait that long. I'm glad it wasn't right
at the end credits. I would have been really really
bad because almost nobody would have seen this, and this
is like a pretty important epilogue to the to the tail,
I feel. But yeah, and uh, eight point three, I
think is if I have already said that number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is a tough one for me too,
because I think critically i'm somewhere in the nine nine
point five. But you know, you can say I'm biased
and I'm a coogler just like Sucker. But I'm going
getting to the ten as well, because for me, it's
it's the positives outweigh the nagas I had, and most
natives are nitpicks or like, okay, that could have been
done a little bit better, But it's just because all
the other stuff is so good. This looks so good.
This is where it's like, I'm a big defender of it.
Chapter two you got an aspara too. There's many other ones, right,
But like, I want to get to the state, and
I think we're getting there. And there's tons of films
that probably I haven't even seen, that are like this,
but I love that we were getting a state of
you know, some big budget horror films that are drama
and we really care about what's going on and it
isn't just like a schlock fest of violence and Gore
and I love that. Don't get wrong, don't stop making those.
Go make your terrifiers. I'll watch those two. But for
a while, I feel like there was an error or
an era. I mean, it's like the past ten fifteen
years before I don't know, maybe post COVID around then
i'd have to really track it. I just felt like
there was a time where those were very few and
far between. It feels like we're getting back to that.
And to me, it's just like Brian Kugle just like
just flexing on a lot of stuff. There's it's just
a masterclass of filmmaking. And I can't wait to see
what he does. And like I said, maybe when I
rewatch this, I'll feel more strongly on that score, like yeah,
I'm a hundredercent right, I mean, my critical i'd pick
that up, or maybe I might go back to you.
You know what, Actually I would talk it for this,
this and this, But for me, it's just like coming
off of it, how much I enjoyed about it, I
gotta go that route. So yeah, no, I'm glad we
did this. It was a good time. Like I said,
we'll definitely talk about this Golden Geeks because uh, I
know terror will talk about it and don't have to watch.
We'll see what happens there, and yeah, we'll be back
next week with other casts and promise you I'll not
be boring.
Speaker 4: Bye.