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Gee Rahm, It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.
Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. I'm so excited for this. I'm
so excited for this.
Speaker 3: So all my old neighbors, people who failed me out
of trouble a lot of times. Caroline, who helped me
watch the floor after I had a party and I
couldn't get the floor cleaned.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? I do, yes. And then I
brought the buffer up and it started peeling up the
wax and you're like, well, you're gonna have the buffet
that's down on my hands and knees buffing the floor.
Speaker 4: Hey here, I was thinking about this, and I'm like, what,
who the hell waxes their linoleum floor.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It must have been because my my
at that point, Marge had a cleaning lady. It was Pam.
It was Pam.
Speaker 5: The rich people. I rest my case.
Speaker 6: We haven't even started stepsisters.
Speaker 2: Well, I had I had some I had some gathering
and it was February break it was just small gathering.
It was just perfectly fine, and uh it was and
then the floor got all messed up and I didn't
know how to clean it. So I called Caroline and
she showed she was because.
Speaker 4: We were watching old old videos that we got digitized
from when we were kids just the other day, and
we go through, you know, Kevin got everything, and then
Matt came along, got the hand me downs and I
every like.
Speaker 6: So like the stuff that Kevin got was like like
a pedal race car, you know, new Tanka truck. Yeah,
you know, and yeah, you're gonna be a race car driver.
Speaker 4: And then I came along and I got baby dolls
and a house cleaning kit.
Speaker 2: But your house was always so neat and organized, right
down to the garage.
Speaker 7: There was the Saturday special. What was the Oh you're
not working, we're going to clean the garage on Saturday?
Speaker 2: What? But the garage was always clean. It was always
a facade.
Speaker 7: Everything went out, Yeah, and then my father literally would
get a vacuum shot back and vacuumed the garage floor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 7: Then everything went back in reorganized. We had a huge
chest freezer.
Speaker 2: That we had from some like did you get a
side of beef up the.
Speaker 7: Street because you get a side of beef from Farmer Fresh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, farmer used to do hey at Farmer Farmer, but
your garage was so neat. And then I remember your
dad's fifty birthday party.
Speaker 7: Yeah he doesn't.
Speaker 2: He got drunk and you had a mounted deer's ass.
Do you remember this?
Speaker 7: Yeah? It was It was ours because my roommate Dan,
you remember my room, his hunting group lodge whatever. That
was on the wall of the lodge and the lodge
was getting redone and they were going to throw it out.
So he shows up at college at Geneseo with this thing,
and then he brought it to my dad. You need
this on the garage wall, and it was on the garage.
It was on a garage wall. And in college we
had it in our apartment and we had a pencil
shelved in the in the butt in the butt told
everybody it was a pencil sharpener, got it And the
amount of people that would come to our apartment and
twist the pencil was unbelievable and they're like really, and
they would twist it, twist it, twist it and pull
it out and be like it's not sharp.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going enough. I remember your dad had
a big cut on his head because it fell off
and it knocked like he stumbled into it.
Speaker 7: And then the trip the garage floor. Cement can be
slipping on fiftieth birthday, and he slipped, and we had
a stackable craftsman you know, multi tool toolbox, right, and
he walked into the garage, stumbled into the garage, hit
this thing yep, and the whole thing went over. And
then now instead of being like legos or something on
the floor, there's just three quarter inch wrenches and open
ends and box trenches and screwdrivers. And he did the
into the wall. The thing comes down, hits him and
then cut on his head exactly. I remember sitting vividly
in the kitchen with my mom and I think my
brother was home, you know whatever, and my dad comes
down the hallway with just the head the size of
the hallway and he hadn't had a hangover, and who
knows how long he got up like normal, like seven
point thirty or whatever, and he goes, I don't feel good,
Like have a coke because you have cotton mouth, and
go back to bed and we'll see you sometime later
this afternoon, because you're far removed where I was, and
when he was fifty, I was twenty one. Ok, maybe yeah,
and I'm like, you can really alcohol and hangovers were
much more current. Yes, nice, they were, yes at that time,
and we were just like, just it's too early in
the day to even show your face, like other than
to use the bathroom, just go back to bed.
Speaker 2: Growing up in that in that area, right, very rural,
very spread out. I think it's the largest school district
in New York State per square mile, per square mile, yeah,
per square miles. So you were like two hundred square miles.
I thought Joe were crazy.
Speaker 7: It's something huge. Yeah, it's some big. We talked about
how far and how long you have?
Speaker 4: Two hours on the sports bus.
Speaker 2: Yes, we were like you would.
Speaker 4: Leave at five and we wouldn't get home till seven.
Speaker 2: Right, and they would let you. They would drop you
off at a word store about that and then come
back because like they were going to do a twenty
minute and went to the Doyles like Jameson.
Speaker 7: Hill Road like that, and they were like, we'll be
back in fifteen twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: Then we could get off and get food. And then
the bus would come back and we could get back on.
Speaker 2: So when you growing up, like now you live in Texas,
you and Joe high school sweethearts, married here what what
are you making the face?
Speaker 5: But you just have to when you say high school sweeping.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry, but you're in Dallas, right, Yeah, And
so that's a way different experience for your kids. Was
there anything I thought there were some benefits when I
look back now, I think growing up in the country. Yeah,
I mean my brother refers to it as Appalachia.
Speaker 7: It's very close, it's not far off. I mean like
all day, don't see anybody. Just yes, yeah, ride your
bike for We were just talking about that that I
spent from I don't know, let's say twelve, when your
parents kind of gave you the you can ride on
your bike, and I would be gone all day bicycle,
not come home till seven, eight o'clock. I never remember
being hydrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you literally were like you walked.
Speaker 7: In here and you had me a bottle and you're
like water, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm worried about your hydration.
Speaker 7: Now, we would just be gone all day and maybe
suck a drink out of someone's garden hose or would
take a last stream right. They were like, oh, that
looks pretty clear. I'll drink out of the fact that
you're downstream from the dairy farm. Paid no attention.
Speaker 2: We walked it.
Speaker 4: Remember we got caught on an Easter Sunday.
Speaker 5: Were you with us?
Speaker 4: We were all down by Moody's farm and I feel
like our parents drove there was those big tunnels on
the road and Netty and maybe Chris.
Speaker 7: Were you with us, Kevin I went in all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah we went. We were.
Speaker 4: But that's where the cows.
Speaker 2: It was in the cow pasture. We used to fish
under there. Yeah, when we were kids, we would fishing.
Speaker 7: You didn't think about the fact that there was cows
or whatever. Yeah, we were healthy.
Speaker 2: Look at us down Oh absolutely. Yeah. Well we're still kicking.
I guess that.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you think about it, it's pretty amazing
the stuff we did, and A we're still here.
Speaker 2: And B well when I look at at like even
uh my kids and stuff, I go, boy, I don't
know how I sometimes survived with the stupid ship that
I did. Living in a rural area, you invented stuff
to do, Like there wasn't video games. We didn't have
cable till nineteen eighty nine because it was per square mile.
I don't know if pine Planes got it sooner.
Speaker 5: Well, I was out rich kids. I was out in
the country part of pine Planes, which is even worse
than the city it was. I was in college. It
was a couple of years after you got My parents.
Speaker 2: So there was no cable and you we used to
have my father go on the roof. Yeah, we didn't
have that. We had dad who climbed.
Speaker 7: Up to No, we had the rotor, and I remember,
like the wind would come. Yes, you turned to antenna
to the south because you wanted nine and channel eleven
out of New York City. You wanted it to the
east if you wanted there was a station Hartford, and
then you turned it to the north for the Albany.
Speaker 2: Say you got all those I got nothing. We had
to stations and our antenna was like half Your.
Speaker 4: Parents were teachers and they knew that TV probably I.
Speaker 2: Mean, but instead I went around and did this. And
when I look at my guys like it was, I
don't know if parenting changed, if they were more involved.
I always I always look at things and go was
it Vietnam. That kind of fucked up a generation. And
I don't mean that that way, but think of it
this way. World War two they call it the Greatest generation.
They won the war, they come back, everybody's happy. There's
all this stuff Vietnam. They didn't know why they were there.
People died, lives were screwed up. We shouldn't have been there.
It was the spread of communism. There was no reason.
We had the French fight at first, it didn't work.
And I just think in the psyche of it, he.
Speaker 4: Paid attention and at least that I didn't is that
we were there for Vietnam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was just all this stuff, and
I went, I just wonder if it's like screwed the
psyche of people where there's like fucking guys, do whatever
you're gonna do, it doesn't matter. We used to build
jumps in the driveway when you babysat me, and I
used to jump my bicycle. Absolutely nothing. That's my point
is nothing do this.
Speaker 4: Even in Dallas. They can build a ramp in.
Speaker 2: A s well. Now they've got like my kids have,
Matt one.
Speaker 4: Time, Maggie, this is a suburb of Dallas. But remember
we couldn't find her. They were playing hide and seek
and she wouldn't come out. And as we were panicked,
we're out there in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Maybe she didn't come out, she didn't come out.
Speaker 4: Finally I was.
Speaker 2: How old was she? Five? Six?
Speaker 4: Like we let our kids run in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I let my guys do that stuff too. Like
Jackson built a love Calvin and Hobbes. So he built
a big ramp up to the roof on the it
was a low roof on the side of the garage
in snow, and then the the sledge shot out, so
he jumped off, and of course he breaks a couple
of toes on the wind on the landing.
Speaker 7: You got ten of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a figure at this point. You know, there
was a lot of broken bones with my guys. There
was a lot of a lot of a lot of messes,
a lot of injuries for sports and all that crap.
But I just don't remember, like there wasn't the adventures
in cars that we had. There wasn't. But you weren't
driving that far.
Speaker 7: You were driving.
Speaker 2: You were twelve miles to school and you could drag
race down.
Speaker 4: Who used to beat the school bus. Like the school
bus would go by, and then we'd be like, oh god,
we got to get in front of the well.
Speaker 2: And then there was the little old man with the hat.
Oh oh, he would always be coming up Charlesbury Own.
I don't know who it was, no orthing.
Speaker 4: We're like, old man with the hat, wet buy him?
Speaker 2: Well, I remember the guy. There was a little old
man in the hat. On the Taconic State Parkway and
I'm driving and Chris Bartolomeo goes, get as close to
that car as you can, and I got as clothes
as I could, and he leaned out. Now this is
on the TOCMIC. He leaned out and he knocks on
the window and the old man like looks over and
he gives him the finger and we speed off. And
at this point now I go, if my kids, who
does why?
Speaker 4: Because you're always hyperactive, even as.
Speaker 2: A kid, as hyperactive as a kid, What are you
talking about? I remember I used to torture you on
the school bus. I mean I tortured you on the
school bo I know.
Speaker 7: What the heck?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: He was a bully.
Speaker 2: I was a bully. I don't really I yes, I do,
I remember, but I thought I did it in a
way like I was making fun of you watching soap operas.
That's what I remember. Didn't you watch soap operas? And
I used to always try to come up with a
storyline and I would lean over the seat and go
did they do that? And you would like get so
fucking mad at me. Excuse me, you would get so
mad at me, and then I and I would just
keep it up. And I remember once you got off
the bus and you turn around and you scream shut
up at the bus, and I was like, I wonder,
this is a terrible thing, Like I shouldn't be that
happy about it. I guess I was not. You were
not me and mean, you were just ball busting. Yeah
it is. I never liked mean mean. I never did mean.
Mean to really hurt somebody made no sense to me.
But to pick on people. I got even picked on
Joe when he was on the track team and stuff.
And you know, I remember I was I would get Joe.
I would get Joe's older brother, and then I would
try to pick on him. On Joe, he would get
me information but I but then the older guys tried
to stick me in the toilet because I would my
mouth never stop. Right, what is it? Adhd you think?
So I do? Okay a little bit. I think, yeah,
I think there probably is, and I always go I
don't know that, certainly. I have found coping mechanisms and
I found a career where I could do a lot
of different things. But I set timers all the time,
which is a cop. So I'll focus on this for
whatever the amount of time and then right, but if
you like, and I have I hate messes, but I'm
very unorganized. So I give myself chances to file things
and do it, and I have to set those I'll
do twenty minutes and I'll lose my mind.
Speaker 4: Set the checklist, see which ones?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess you're right. But I never wanted
to be medicated because I think.
Speaker 4: I don't think any of us were back then.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean I mean as an adult, right,
I'm saying as an adult, I feel like it dulls
your creativity, and don't you And I'll tell you what,
you know, what really worked for me was running as
a kid. I mean that was that really worked. Now
I'm thirty past over weight and I can just about walk,
drink beer instead. Well, I would say that if anybody
had a drinking problem, it was me and I I've
curved that as well. But it took a lot. Took
a lot, and there was a lot. I mean, my
old man was We had all kinds, but he was
always at our All of them drank, yes, well drink
alcohol did not that's true.
Speaker 7: But like your parties, that are like parties. Like my
dad drove the car. Yeah, he drove the car stuck
from the.
Speaker 2: Was about five hundred feet.
Speaker 5: Across one hundred yards.
Speaker 7: He ran over their mailbox because he came from work,
stopped off, had a few beers to stop off.
Speaker 4: Me to Sophie's house.
Speaker 2: Remember Sophie vaguely I do.
Speaker 7: She lived further up the hill, Fancore. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And he would stop off and have a couple of
drinks there, you know, and then you come down and
then see Ted and Ted's outside. Ted's having a scotch.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, Ted, that's.
Speaker 7: Sixty nine scotch. I don't even know if they make
it anymore, but my brain Ted, they'll remembered, had a.
Speaker 2: Unique look, right, His hair was kind of.
Speaker 7: Back top d the tired city cop, that's what it
was a retired cop. He must have retired, like after
twenty years.
Speaker 2: But those boys were always in trouble too, or they were.
They were older than me significantly a lot.
Speaker 7: I mean the youngest one was a year older than me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so they were older, way older. Didn't
one of them hit a horse while drunk?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought one. There was a lot of live show.
Speaker 7: There was a lot of live stops jump all allegedly allegedly.
So let's say there was a lot of venison that
would jump in the road sometimes on your way home
from a party. Yeah, and you never hit it, but
it caused you to veer off, yes, and into the.
Speaker 2: Tree, into the tree.
Speaker 4: Had a situation.
Speaker 2: Wait, he's had You had a problem like that with
them deer?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh for real, those ghosts. What did you hit a tree? Yeah?
But you never I don't remember you. No, No, See
that was the thing because there was a lot of
that that went on in the front.
Speaker 7: Someone was driving radically fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but those were cars. I mean, you go back
there now and I look at these roads, they're cart paths.
Speaker 4: We would go so fast.
Speaker 7: I was just home two weeks ago and on Bullshead road,
and I'm like getting mad, why are you going so slow?
Slate slash bulls heads nothing but curves and hills, and
I'm just wanting to cut to the inside, like Mario Andretti. Yeah,
And I'm like, there's just all I'll call them local
slash city folk up into the northern House. And You're like,
why are we going forty? I know you know the
speed limit is seventy on this road.
Speaker 2: I remember it is. And the trees, No, and the
trees are supposed to be fifteen feet off the road.
I thought, my code, they're not. They're not. They're right there.
And I remember you and I worked at Adams and Kingston.
Speaker 4: She did, I don't remember you worked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I worked in the Delhi you guys, I think
we're in protos.
Speaker 7: I remember, and I handled me.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was great. The Bologney was my favorite.
Speaker 7: I picked up that I can handle.
Speaker 2: All was phenomenal. And if you got the German boloney,
even better, even better.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: And there was no lusteria back then.
Speaker 2: No, well there probably was. Yeah, we had an immune system.
Speaker 7: But we also drank out of the stream.
Speaker 2: This is we ate ra cookie dough and yeah, but
I remember saying to you. We were going home and
I you went on the Taconic and I took Bull's
head and I I raced you. And I was in
your driveway out of my car leaning on it when
you pulled in and coming off of the Taconic, and
I remember you going how fast did you go? And
I swear to God, had anybody like someone checking their mail,
I would have killed them. I was probably doing sixty
five seventy on the car paths coming around the And
I love that, Yes, before, all the time, and even
now like now, I get annoyed right because I go
people are driving and I see this stuff in the speed.
But I still love speed. I drag racing. I love
when I can go down to Empire Drag and get
in a car and go one hundred and twenty miles
an hour and a quarter mile.
Speaker 4: I love that that got a speeding ticket racing mustangs.
Speaker 7: Yes, Oh, but you were so proud, yeah, Like I
remember you calling me a hearing word that you had
beat my record.
Speaker 2: I did the land speed record, but here was the thing.
Speaker 7: Eighty and you were like you got three for eighty
three the King Kings n cliff Bridge.
Speaker 2: Here was the thing that I didn't know there was
We didn't know, right, anybody could go as fast as
we wanted. Who was the guy in your class? And
I think it was your class or Joe's class. No,
not Mike Egan that his dad was a state trooper
and he had a mustache, dark hair that I don't remember.
But this guy, well, this guy wound up doing weekends
in jail because he put on his dad's uniform when
his dad was out, and he went out and pulled
people over and wrote some tickets.
Speaker 5: That sounds really familiar, it doesn't it, do not remember.
Speaker 2: I can't remember his name. He used to take out
the radar gun and we would see how fast we
could go in some places. But the real official was
the ticket, because that was that was the thing. So
I was coming I had my dad's Fierro right, yes,
the worst car.
Speaker 7: Your dad came home with it. And I remember my
dad going, what.
Speaker 2: Is he's a family of five, Like, evidently this.
Speaker 7: Is my commuter car. I guess I have None of
your kids will ever rock? And then you were probably
going to work.
Speaker 2: I was coming back from Adam and I were like,
how fast in the little put in the stones hot
rocks tape and I'm cranking the rolling stones and I'm
flying down just before and I see the cop and
I see him light up and then turn around, and
I go, I so badly want to run him. Wanted
to throw my change into the basket and just fly
over that bridge, which, by the way, I think the
speed limit on the bridge is.
Speaker 7: I just was home and I came across going.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's like a crawl.
Speaker 7: I'm like, what's crawl? Added a light? Like, yes, Cliff
whatever Rose because my mom lives over that right, and
they added a light. Brian Beck, Yeah, so it backs
up across the bridge. Yes, it's you just get there
and you're like, oh, there's just a light thing that
it's been added. We had no lights, no, no stop lights,
no nothing, no four way stops.
Speaker 2: Now, you could have just kept going.
Speaker 7: As far as I'm concerned, it was a I think
I could have.
Speaker 2: I think I could have outrun the cop. I knew
exactly where I was gonna go. I was gonna get
on River Roads and then Ferncliff and Hide.
Speaker 5: I knew exactly you could pull in there and they're
like bushes up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was exactly what I was going to do.
Speaker 7: It was like a TV show, like you knew where
you're Like, I'm pretty sure when I got my ticket,
like I thought, like if I just cut around that
back road around the back of Addlebury just it's like
Addlebury Road or something, I could have just cut up
that road or the road right after it that was
literally a dirt road and like and that literally was
like he'll see my dust and he'll know where I
went because they'll see the dust.
Speaker 2: But we all went to an elementary school that had
a farm and a cow into the playground and it
was on a dirt road and my brother so they
had closed it for a little while and then they
opened it up again. And my brother, Kevin was is
eight years younger than I am, and I picked him
up from school and at the time, the teacher just passed.
She was friends with my mom. And I'm gonna forget.
Speaker 5: Her name, Miss Morrow.
Speaker 2: No did she pass to Do you remember Miss Morrow? Oh? Yeah,
I remember Miss Morrol. We were in school still, Oh
she did? Yeah? Oh no, this was uh, you'll actually
you guys would know the family. And I'm forgetting I think,
But he wrote in his journal, my brother we spun out.
I fishtailed, and I punched it too hard and we just,
I mean, we spun and it was a cloud of
dust and I just took my foot off the gas
and just let the car settle out. And I look
at Kevin. His eyes are as big as saucers. You know,
he's sitting there. He's eight years old. I'm sixteen, and
he writes in his journal at school, my brother drives
like the drives like the dukes of Hazzard River. She
called my parents and told on me. Yeah, there were
a lot of calls to my parents.
Speaker 4: A lot of people would call and you didn't know
that you'd gotten in trouble.
Speaker 7: Your parents gave you like the leashed. It was like
six inches of you know, how much will we go
with this lie until we'll just catch it? So like
we remember, like I had a car, and then you
had a winter car. You had like a nice car,
like a Mustang. Yeah, summer car, my winter car. So
you'd go buy exactly right, you'd go buy a fifty
dollars Pinto from somebody your dad knew that was getting
rid of it because it was a Pinto and we
hate it. And I'm like, okay, here's fifty dollars, I'll
buy it, and you drove it in the winter time
because you don't want to ruin your good summer carr,
good car, your prom car, you know whatever. And my
brother had one. He had like a Vega, and he
I remember he had bought the Vega from mister Peppy.
It was a Vega station wagon and it was red
with like white.
Speaker 5: Pinstripes sat I remember him driving that car.
Speaker 7: So it sat in our driveway but didn't have plates
on it because it wasn't registered.
Speaker 2: So who took it?
Speaker 7: I had to take it because I know where the
keys are and my brothers, you know wherever, and we
live in.
Speaker 2: No one cared.
Speaker 7: No one cares, or you thought no one cared. I
get I get in the car and I'm like, I'm
gonna say he's three years older than me, so he's
like seventeen and I'm fourteen. I get in the car
and I start ripping down the road in this Vega
down Willowbrook Road, down past the Commons, down past the Moodies,
and doesn't I think it was Sylvia calls my mom
because Sylvia is just being Sylvia, and she was like,
I don't think she called to be like to turn
me in. I think she was calling to say, I
didn't realize Matt got his license, like.
Speaker 6: You know, because you don't really know passive aggressive, like
you don't really maybe.
Speaker 7: I don't know if she Sylvia's daughter baby sat so
that she had a pretty good.
Speaker 2: General Well, their son was also killed at a motorcycle.
Speaker 7: I mean literally, like you know, hair on fire as
fast as a Vega would go down a dirt road,
ripping by their house and she's out there gardening or something,
and then you know, anybody take the cars out of
the driveway. Now, the question is always posed by your parents.
Speaker 2: Now there's ring, doorbell, whithing.
Speaker 7: And the answers is, of course you're a fourteen or
fifteen year old kid, and no, I didn't take the car.
Why would I do that. I don't have my license yet.
And then they'd be like, really, that didn't work so
well for somebody, because Sylvia said that you were going
by her house in the red vega, and I'm like, well,
I had to move it. You didn't make I just
thought I'd drive to the end of the road, come back,
and then the next step would be so you had
to move it all the way to the end of
the Wallerbrook Road and do a doughnut and come back.
And then you're like my.
Speaker 2: Dad us always say to me, my job isn't to
ruin your good time, it's to keep you alive.
Speaker 7: And it's a valid point.
Speaker 2: It was a valid point, you know. But even your
mom had called my parents a few times. Oh yeah,
I got the call that I'm hanging out with the
wrong crowd. And then because her mom was a teacher,
no I know. And then there was the I'm camping
with Chris Bartolomeo. We're staying out in the woods and
we would have no at his house, and there would
be at your house Stissing Mountain Road, and we were
camping off in the woods there and we would have
his cousins buy us beer and stuff.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so we were drawnking, we're a statute limitations
running out.
Speaker 2: So your mom didn't. So but here's what happened. So
it was the end of the year, and so you're
I call my parents, but it was long distance. So
my parents put in an eight hundred number, so there
was call Home America. There was an eight hundred er.
So I called them and said, hey, can I stay
another night and my father's like, uh, missus Fleming called
and I said, oh really, he goes, yeah, I says
she needed to scrape points together to get you through
the regions. And I went, oh good, and I said
so can. I say what do you what are you doing?
And I said nothing, We'll be there to get you.
And then I was like getting I mean, I remember
him driving down one and I made some smart ass
comment and he's like trying to hit me from the
front seat and I'm just moving my legs back because
he was so mad. When I graduated, he said to me,
I don't know whether to shake your hand or kick
your ass. That's what my father said to me, little
bit of both, yeah, because he said dumber than you.
You practically had to drool, and you got an award
and you got nothing, nothing. And then just recently on
a phone conversation, he said to me, you know, there
were a lot of people who didn't realize that you
were Katie and Kevin's older brother because you were never
in school at the same time. We were never in
the same building. Because I was five years older than you.
Were always gone, so I was always gone. And he said,
and when they found out. They were very surprised. And
that's not a compliment.
Speaker 7: And I can totally hear your dad.
Speaker 2: It was always he was always like the always has
always with me. There was always the sing always.
Speaker 4: At the end of the sentence that we were in
a school district that was so big that we had
two different area codes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did, and it was cost money to call.
I got in trouble for having like the bill, and
he was existence, oh, up the phone billing.
Speaker 5: Yea, this is where.
Speaker 7: Your father I had come out with the thing. And
he'd have the bill and in his hand and yellow
a yellow legal pad page page alene page, and he'd
be like, I put new ball joints in your car.
That was two hundred and ten dollars or whatever. And
at the end of the month it was like a
ledger and he's like, I know you work, where's your money?
Speaker 2: Wow? And you're so, you know what, Yeah, but I
don't know that that's a bad Did he charge you
rent in high school? But if you when you.
Speaker 7: Because the rent after college if you still lived at home, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that makes it a week a week. Yeah, I
think mine was two hundred a month or something. So yeah,
pretty much the same, but it included food.
Speaker 7: Yes, borrowing a rental car, cable, well, you know everything
like you think back, like man that included a laundry.
Mom would be like, oh, I threw your laundry. And
as long as I was doing and now you know,
you'd be like, I wish someone would.
Speaker 2: Do my life. I wish we would do Andre. I
was all that stuff. I couldn't pay the rent once
because I got arrested for a fake ID how he
didn't get arrested.
Speaker 7: They looked like they looked like like a library.
Speaker 2: No, I know this was I was working at allegedly
at w Allegedly I was working at WPDH for the
summer midnight to six. So it's eight o'clock in the
morning and I'm driving home and I had overdue inspection
and I get pulled over and it says license and registration.
When he the trooper walked up, no he saw. He goes,
why do you have two licenses? I go, I don't
have two licenses. He goes, yes, you do. And so
then he says to me, we can do this the
easy way or the hard way. You can show me
the license, or I can arrest you here and have
your car impounded, So I gave him the license and
then he so I figured, like honesty is the best policy.
And by the way, I'm about two weeks from my
twenty first birthday. Nope, follow me to the troop K headquarters.
I go there. They handcuffed me to the desk. I
had fingerprint, mugshot. And my parents are in Arizona hiking
the grand can my brother and sister. So did you
call Tom to get you out? No? I think I
got out of my own. No. Tom was one where
I had a lot of parties. I and and they
people here. People people just stay. So like you know,
a couple of my buddies, Chris Brenner, Uh, Jeff Cott,
I went to.
Speaker 4: A party at your house or I stopped by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you were really drunk, probably like.
Speaker 4: You made a pass at me drunk.
Speaker 2: Look at that.
Speaker 5: And Ieart.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't recall. And I was very drunk at
the time, just like the Pink Floyd. I was very
drunk at the time.
Speaker 5: You're forgiven.
Speaker 2: I was, uh yeah, But so these guys came into
the nothing was locked and my parents were away and
I was not going to have a party. So word
got out my parents were gone, and I think it
was Marty Cassi and his buddies. They came in. They
drank all the beer that was in the house, and
then they set the cans up on the wood burning
stove downstairs and got my bb gun and they shot
holes in all this stuff and then they laughed. And
I come home to this mess. I'm like, oh my god.
So then I get a call. Hey, man, we were
looking for it. I said that wasn't having any parties.
I just wasn't going to do it this time. So
I needed to call your dad to replace the beer
I saw.
Speaker 7: I remember going to a liquor store for you, yes,
being like that was the I'm like, we'll just buy
the cheapest, yes, whatever, whatever, whatever, Like we don't need
to buy stolen goose. We can buy three feathers, three
feather and put that in there. And yeah, I won't know,
because how often will he really be like he might He.
Speaker 2: Didn't have a discerning palate. It was fine, It was fine.
Speaker 7: It wasn't like any of those that it was basically moonshine. Yeah,
but he did like and You're like.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was so much. You saved me a ton
of money. And then but the problem was I got
my parents came home early, and there's the beer on
the front steps waiting for me to put it away,
and I had to explain, and uh, I just gave
up at that point. But I mean I did all.
I think out of everybody at this table, I probably
did the worst amount it.
Speaker 5: We were like National Honor Society.
Speaker 2: Yes, you all were National Honor Society. Were you National
Honor Society too? Oh?
Speaker 1: I was not.
Speaker 2: You were at National No.
Speaker 7: I was busy at the library.
Speaker 4: At the library, the library, oh god, reading forever by.
Speaker 2: I didn't. Uh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I definitely was a national I was not in
the Nationalist like everybody. All the people I hung out
with were, and somehow I was.
Speaker 4: But you said you graduated top ten in your class.
Speaker 5: I did, but you didn't make the top twenty the people.
Speaker 2: I don't even think I was top ten in my class.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's with ten people in the class I got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't. You were eleven? Was like number one?
Or were?
Speaker 5: I was top ten?
Speaker 2: But I thought you gave a speech at graduation.
Speaker 7: Oh, I thought you were one of the gave a
speech on the evils of pine planes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were there evils a pine plane. Like sometimes I
look back and I think that there was a real
we grew up in an area of real halves and
have nots, And sometimes I really.
Speaker 5: Feel it's with the summer and when the summer.
Speaker 2: But I mean there was some real like real haves
and have nots, And at times I felt like even
the teachers sometimes treated the kids that were called scumbags.
To forgive me, it's not a very kind turn, but
they were even treated and dismissed as scumbags, like they
weren't even going to give their effort, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was definitely like like you could tell like
yeah they were, they weren't given the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 4: They were like looking back on it, that's horrible, it
is horrible. And like I remember that I always came in.
Speaker 2: Like ship, Yeah, Frank. I smelled Frank all the time.
And Frank was like wiry because I remember getting in
a fight with Frank. I forget his last name, yeah,
and he was a wiry kid and like strong and
farm strong and farmers strong, and I remember getting I
remember having him punch me and I'm like this ain't
gonna go.
Speaker 7: Strong is very real. Yeah, especially if you like you said,
did hey.
Speaker 2: Hey all summer? When you you did that, you sweat
your ass off.
Speaker 7: That's up in silo or throw silos down. You're like,
these guys are strong. Yeah, because I did hey at
Freddy's at the Moody's for Clarence Nap.
Speaker 2: I didn't do Nap. I only did fred.
Speaker 7: Because Clarence paid the best.
Speaker 2: I think we got our milk from Clarence. We used
to get it pre pasture from Clarence.
Speaker 7: Wrong.
Speaker 2: Clarence was the guy across from Moody's, Clarence Nap. Yeah,
that's where we would go.
Speaker 7: Moodies was with a glass jar, and you used to
go down and just open a tank of.
Speaker 2: Fresh gass and you left your money and after money,
and then it really is like separate and you get
the top. I literally would go.
Speaker 7: To drink of milk and you'd have to take the
glass jar out. And this is probably why I'm at
burn Gary. Glass milk in the jar, but you had
to shake it up or else you were drinking the
butter off the top it would separate. You could skim
it off, skim it off, but it was in the jar.
So we would just shake the heck out of it.
Speaker 2: And then make it and then be like, oh now
it's back to we had one of the old fashioned
you had milk contained like this silver milk container that
we that.
Speaker 4: We had in a decorative one of those milk care
still in my house.
Speaker 2: Do you really it was decorative? Well, decorative like farm decorative.
There was that whole time.
Speaker 7: Mine is red with cow uh emblems on it.
Speaker 2: I redid it.
Speaker 7: I redid it so it was more authentic.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, guys, because at Lisa is a
principal at a school, a school by the way, that
I think is great that it survived. It's over forty years,
I believe right, forty five years and you're an educator
all that time in one building, good or bad. I
almost feel like there's the transition with the same people.
I had an opportunity to do to our Lady of Lords.
I got in there, and I always think that I
probably would.
Speaker 7: Have done that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what was really funny is like I
had pretty good SAT scores, so I got it. I
got in everywhere.
Speaker 4: He had eight HD or still does I had. He
could he was smart, but he couldn't apply himself.
Speaker 2: No So when I was going to college, I got in,
but every school like Boston University, said why don't you
come and take a summer course to see My father's like,
you will drink your way out of school and you
get one shot on my dime. And I went, okay,
that was it. So that that was my thing. But yeah,
so I got into Lord's and I wanted to play sports,
and my father's like, I'm not driving all the way
back in the Buckemchie every night to pick you up.
And that was it. It was over. There was no discussion.
Speaker 7: It was just that's the nature of the beast. Yeah, well,
I mean I don't.
Speaker 2: That was I don't want to come get you. So
that was it. I didn't play winter sports because they
were I watch what my brother and sister do. My
I have a seven year old nephew who's on a
like some elite race team. They have a place up
at a mountain somewhere and they're all up everywhere everywhere,
and I watched my sister. My my niece is into
synchronized swimming and she just did the Junior Olympics. She's
out in Oregon for the Junior Olympics. My parents would
do ship they do anything. Leave me alone, Let me
live in peace and then die. That's all I want
to do. That's what he was swimming from. Huh, why
did they play for you to go to the they did?
I didn't go. Didn't go because he didn't want to
come and get me. They've working pay for me.
Speaker 7: Asked what by p PCs to go to lords?
Speaker 1: I was not?
Speaker 7: This was this is usually a lot of people went
to lords after PCs said.
Speaker 2: Often like no, like was it gonna work for me? Lords? Was? No?
You had to take it an admission test because I
remember this. You brought the guy's name up. Egan, Michael
Eagan did not get in.
Speaker 7: Oh he didn't. Sure you were nice about it.
Speaker 2: I didn't say a fucking word because he was he was.
He was a little bit of a bully. Do you
remember the worse than me? But do you remember the
gym that his mom opened? His mom opened a gym
right on mainstream pipeplanes? Come on, Joe, you gotta remember.
It was all the belts and stuff and it would
just jiggle you. So you don't remember that. And it
was a big window, just like the one here right
Chris Bartolomeo and I used to sit and watch these.
We would laugh harrassed off at these fat ladies sit
there and getting jiggled like it was. It was I
think it lasted two months and it was gone. But
it was all this equipment that they were like old
school bad. It looked like I remember being a fat
Yes it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: Somebody had one in their basement. Glorious like they because
like their dad was super in the city and people
would leave stuff in the apartment and he would have
to go and bring it up, and they bring it
all up state. Were like little kids. Has got this
big weather with the offset you know wheel so that
it would jiggle and we'd all be in there, you know.
We thought it was the greatest thing, and we would
have it like around there, around, you know, because it
was like set up for adults, and we're like, you know,
seven year old kids, like I don't know what could
possibly go wrong with having a bunch of kids play
with a belt around or not.
Speaker 4: We were just there when we came up in Memorial Day.
And I bet it's still there. I bet you were
at Nettie's stop by Neti's mom's house.
Speaker 2: She still she's still there.
Speaker 4: She's still doing well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how old is she? She has ninety right, ninety two,
I'm guessing. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We were talking about my dad takes care of her,
all right, his dad, Her dad's.
Speaker 2: Like the mayor, did you? It wasn't you. I was
thinking of somebody who went to Germany as a foreign
exchange student, and I remember being so impressed because we
didn't it was French and Spanish was offered. It might
have been Nicole, and I remember her being at your
house talking to Missus Nettie in is that her names
glorious missus laurious in German and like fluent. Had to
be Nicole, right, because she went yeah, And I remember going, man,
I want to learn it. I always thought the greatest
thing you could do for your mind was learn another language.
Speaker 4: I think that toolo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I one of my boys studies doing lingo.
I get the seven hundred day streak or whatever game.
Yes they did. That's what we need, we need to gain.
Speaker 7: I'm not fluent in French despite my two years of
solid Missus Francis.
Speaker 2: And Missus Francis and she dated mister Mitchell. They held
hands once I saw them.
Speaker 4: But I know think dated mister Mitchell. Mister I think
mister Mitchell didn't date women.
Speaker 2: Well, I remember seeing them holding hands.
Speaker 7: Well once there was Missus Fry.
Speaker 2: They went out once or twice. I think you're right.
Speaker 7: Missus Francis was married to mister francisintendent, and he.
Speaker 2: Was from There's a lot of ancestual chick going on there,
but he.
Speaker 7: Was like the superintendent. You'll know this because Elisa's mom
was like having an insider for snow days. Oh, because
you're laid in.
Speaker 2: Bed, Yes, and you listened to the radio.
Speaker 7: One to one point five w pd H and it
went alphabetical.
Speaker 2: Yes it was, and you'd go you'd wait for the peace.
Speaker 7: You'd wait for the peace, and he'd go pine Bush, Yes,
and then they'd go red Hook. How is that possible
to every school district.
Speaker 2: Around us, I know? And we had the most miles
to cover, right, And.
Speaker 7: Mister Francis was from like the rumor was he was
from like up north, like Mesino, like this thing snow,
I'll show you snow. Then can school.
Speaker 2: And so it was over.
Speaker 7: But then there would be a ring, because you know,
we had the wall phone ring going, yes, please be,
please be. Anne Fleming and my mom would be like oh,
and it'd be like this and there's gonna be no
school today, and we were like, your mom would come
in all like I'm gonna have to work today, but
you guys can be home.
Speaker 4: You can stay home and beat the crap out of your.
Speaker 7: Of course he had bruises, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: But that was the last time because no I listened
in on a phone call and he was talking to
a girl and he found out and then he came
beat me and.
Speaker 7: He got a pound them. I'm sorry. I'dn't have to
pound on you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you have little brothers, and well they
were so significantly younger that I never pounded on. Probably
no I used to play nail Chucky and we used
to when he was learning to walk. We used to
take stuffed animals and pop out from around corners, me
and Mike Murray and throw them and try to sweep
his legs out, and I remember getting them hors Kevin.
My mother was freaked out because Kevin didn't walk. He
would just scoop because every time and he would pull
his toys and stuff, and every time he started to walk,
we would pop out nailhim with the stuffed animal. I
could take that red fox by its little tails, a
little stuff fox, and I would whip it right out
of his legs. So, yes, I did, I did my fish.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's normal siblings stuff.
Speaker 2: It's was that one I remember.
Speaker 4: I feel like that was the last one.
Speaker 2: That was the last one. Beat. But I would think
for you, like you grew up your kids grew up
here correct and but a very different environment and almost
totally different my kids so, but but maybe better. I
don't know, it's healthier different, yes, different.
Speaker 7: What I mean. So they went local school, you know,
in big school graduate with four or five hundred kids.
Speaker 2: That was Penfield, right, Yeah, and you know my daughter
did really well. Your daughter was brilliant.
Speaker 7: She's a PhD student state in Pennsylvania. It's my sister
was like, okay, so I don't know where the genie.
Evidently all that time I spent in the library rubbed off, yes,
there you go.
Speaker 2: Person.
Speaker 7: But they would come down state and I would go
visit the microcosm of Stanfordville, Pine Plains whatever, and like
I'll just use Sissing Lake. So we went and met
some of my friends from my class. Hey, so and
so I was going to be assisting Lake and I'd
go there and my kids are like, what are you
like a celebrity because like everybody like I ran into
like mister Mellinger and like and this is your you know,
your gym teacher. He's like, well and you know his
daughter's there. And people were like, like people know your name.
It was small and they were your teacher or whoever. Like,
we went somewhere to dinner and the hostess was my
friend's daughter who knew me. And so we walked into
there was the Bengal Whaling Company when that was open,
and my friend's daughter was there and she's like, oh
my god, hugs, could you like we haven't been somewhere
where somebody doesn't know you. And I go, that's the
benefit of the small town. Like there's lots of not
good stuff, you know, like the weird. Like my wife
calls it incestuous. Everybody dated everybody because you only had
a small people date from you know or whatever, and
you didn't like think about it, like you making a
pass it her doesn't make Joe want to reach across
the table, you know what I mean? Like that we
were all idiots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't I don't remember that, but I know
I was. I was drunk a lot.
Speaker 4: But we went to Pine and Plains Memorial Day Parade
this year this shear, Yeah, just because we thought, well,
we'll drive up and see we get there. You know,
it's like people on the four corners. I literally turn
around the four corners, the only four four corners, and
we're trying to find the best place to stand. And
I turn around, Hi, it's john Sorocco. Oh well yeah,
And then across the street, Joe's like, I know those
people want I mean, everyone knows that your mom.
Speaker 2: Still lived there.
Speaker 5: Oh no, she's been going for a while. She's back back.
Speaker 2: Where she grew up a camp in Canada. Okay, all right,
we were just there last week. We're in Canada, southern Ontario, Okay,
so fairly close to those are like a three hour
ride from here, I think five. Okay at least where
do you live now? Oh so that's a commute back.
See fish skills even more developed. There's I mean, you
got a dunkin Donuts? I'm sure, yes, Starbucks was.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Like Joe's dad invented the computer, yes, you know,
dad helped and the poor little rich kids on the
other side of the down the IBM country Club.
Speaker 6: I don't remember there being, says the man who's three
houses houses?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rich one. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, just because you miser it away doesn't.
Speaker 2: Mean you don't very smart.
Speaker 7: Right there now, who's there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sometimes I look back and I go, boy, it was
a charming place to grow up to group it was,
And then you know, you don't agree. I have opinions, Yeah,
what are What are your opinions? Because I'm curious because
Pine Plains was like huge compared to Clinton Corners. Where
we were was so rural and spread out. And by
the way, I still remember the Watsh's phone number. I
used to call him.
Speaker 4: Frank six five one seven four. Ye, you were too,
six six five eight three nine.
Speaker 7: I could go into the high school and go to
locker nine oh one, and it's ten.
Speaker 4: They changed the lockers.
Speaker 2: I can't remember that. But why was thirty?
Speaker 6: Because it was a small town and right like, you
had class sizes that were like ninety kids and there was,
you know, one English teacher, so everybody got the same
level of teaching brought to them.
Speaker 2: And if you were my.
Speaker 5: Grade had zero no, my grade had zero ap.
Speaker 4: Classes you got A because your mom was a math teacher.
Speaker 5: Your class, they didn't offer you.
Speaker 2: I don't remember them having offer AP on.
Speaker 7: Anything, mister Kimball, not my mom. No, but I know
I feel like I got shortage somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: It was no AP class.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had no AP so it was like I
went to that allowed in did you pass it? When
I got passed the class, but.
Speaker 4: I didn't get the credit.
Speaker 7: Sorry, Joe, go ahead, I'm trying to talk.
Speaker 6: No, when I got first semester at college, like like
the kids in my other classes, Yeah, I'm taking math.
I'm like, you know, first semester junior level math, and
there're skipped all these other grades and they're taking puck math,
which was the calculus that the hockey players had to stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Where were you RPI, Yeah, which is a great school.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it was I was ill prepared for that place.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's interesting because you know one of my boys
was uh, took AP challenged the AP for a class
he didn't even take and got a four out of
five just because he had that opportunity and stuff and
took I mean it was in an AP English class
where they were reading a book in class and discussing it.
But you had to read two more books and write
three papers a paper for each book in one semester
of high school. And these kids, I mean it was
a prep school and they went to college. It was
it was way different, way different. Yeah, and it's all
about that's like for a prep school. It's all about
like having a lot of work. There was a tonne
of work, a lot of work and.
Speaker 5: Either either like if it it's easy for you find,
but you still needed to do the work. You got
how to do the work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was in a we were in a
pretty good school district here, you know, one that's always
in the top of the state. And he was one
of these guys that they would go, you can hand
it in late, don't worry about it, Jordan and blah blah.
And I used to say it was his mom. We
got to tighten the margins to this guy because he's
got a ton of potential, but he also has me,
and that's going to be and that was always my problem.
Like do you remember this. I think it was after
you left. You were because we were junior senior high school,
so this was sixth grade for me and just to
give you a little insight as to your point of ADHD,
which I I never really thought about it. I never
really did your mom My mom is definitely.
Speaker 4: Eighty h no no what like she never thought maybe
Billy has Swear to God.
Speaker 2: They were emotionally absente.
Speaker 7: I just dream, yes, but he's got a short run. Yeah,
I never said, little lady, because somebody stares out the window.
He doesn't really have a good long attention span. Billy
likes to do lots of stuff code for.
Speaker 4: Billy likes to talk a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy talked a lot. Billy.
Speaker 7: Billy found the best job.
Speaker 2: Yes, I could. So then I just remember they gave
out the academic awards and Danielle Campanello won an academic
award for the week, and I went, if she could
get it, I can definitely get it. So the next
week I got it because they were also handing out
the Good Citizen Award, and I'm like, anyway, good citizen.
Once I got it. Once, I just think all I
needed to do was prove that I could do it.
That was it, and that was my biggest problem. And
then in school I would be tuned out from basically
the end of September to march, and now I'm like, oh, fuck,
you know what am I gonna do? Now? I think
I failed the Chemistry regions twice. And one of the
reasons I failed it twice was I failed it my
parents went away on vacation. My punishment was that I
had to buy my plane ticket to meet them and
take the regions again. And I had parties the entire
week my parents, and then I took the regions and
I got a lower grade and my mother grou was
so mad that I didn't get a READI diploma like
they were. They were just I mean, my father, I
don't know how to do it. It doesn't I just.
Speaker 7: Had I had my forty year reunion and we're going
through boxes and pictures and I can show you tons
of pictures and people. I'm like, no one cares if
you had a regions.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 7: No, Now, like I have a region's diploma and you know,
the PPCs diploma, but I don't want to ask you that.
Speaker 2: No they don't. But I think looking back now, you know,
as an old man, and I start to think to myself,
those were the things that built self esteem. National honor
Society was a nice way you feel good about yourself.
You can build on that. And with my son who
was on the spectrum and had an I P and
now on his own took off, wanted to live in
New York City. That's his dream. Pushed. I would always say,
I just need to get him a win because even
the best coaches, we didn't really have those, and pine
planes would yell at you when you won and not
when you were losing. Right, it was mister Mallinger was fantastic.
Speaker 7: He was great age but well he got invited to
her like we the best part of the reunion was
to see old teachers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: When when Guy Lounge walked in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had big side burns and he grew them back.
Speaker 7: Because I had thrown out a challenge and I grew
chat and I said, whoever shows up with sideburns, I'll
buy your drinks all night. Well, so we went at
the and he walks in and he's like, I'm looking
for you, and he goes he points to him and
I I had I told these guys I had had
them on Friday when we came down. I came for
the Friday festivities. I had big white side burns and
my friend Dominica and Brian Cooon and everybody were like,
they're awesome, and I go, I don't want to offend
them because I think he's just a great guy. So
I shaved him off before.
Speaker 2: How would that be offensive him? Because the lottery is
the highest form of prey or imitation, excuse his highest
form of flat.
Speaker 7: Totally regret that I shaved him off because he showed
up and he was like soaper, the mutton chops, the
big mutton chops.
Speaker 2: But he was it was like it was a Civil
warrior actor was happening.
Speaker 7: I had taken pictures of mine before I shaved him off,
and I go, he goes. I would have never been
a funder, you know, he goes. I didn't want to
making funny. I don't puble funny because I'm not a bully.
Speaker 5: Allegedly, do we really bully?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: Definitely bullied.
Speaker 7: How many redhead faced kids you know we're bullies.
Speaker 2: Every single one of them, because.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like if you look in movies, it's always the
redheaded freckle kid who's the bully.
Speaker 2: And you didn't bullyve me.
Speaker 7: You bullied your sister for her, Yes, it's your sister.
Speaker 2: This is amazing that you're you've stayed friends, I mean
active friends, right because your son is having No no, no, no, no,
no no no, I'm not talking about talking about you
a Lisa and Caroline just in that because you're all
here to celebrate the fact that you're going to be
a grandfather in a month. It was a baby shower, right,
and I think that's I think that's amazing. But I
think it's amazing that Alisa's gold. Yes, I think that's
really really cool to see you. And no, nobody does,
not even his wife. I was going to see you. No,
I know, I know that. Let's just say this added bonus.
I mean, I mean that's kind of nice. But but
I mean and you and Joe and like just that
history you have and the history you've built, like two beautiful,
bright kids. Right. Cameron's doing he works for Apple, yes
see in living in California.
Speaker 4: He was in California at headquarters.
Speaker 2: But he's back. Yeah, didn't like California. He wants to
go where's headquarters for Apple?
Speaker 5: Fortina? Oh okay, yeah, yeah, he was out there for
a little bit. The rotation he had brought him back here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, l A is uh here Cooper Tino was probably sorry,
probably nice. But I went out and interviewed in LA
and I don't like l a man. The traffic was
so bad. I had a guy who was.
Speaker 5: Supposed to meet well, because I would always go to
Santa Monica.
Speaker 2: For what Santa Monica is nice? You're right, it's like
it's Santa Monica. And some of the little offshoots were
almost like small towns Burbank. Burbank was great, right because
it was right there. But once you but you're not
going to live in Burbank probably and you're gonna have
to commune.
Speaker 6: And well, my whole thing with like La in California,
like getting back to like like where do we miss
being in Pine Plains? Was watching like all these movies
and TV shows, like they're all out in these cool
white skies and you know, out of the beach all
the time. And so that's why I'm like, oh, Santa Monica,
this is exactly what California is.
Speaker 5: I love it here.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm moving.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't look at the house prices.
Speaker 2: Because I think a shack is like two million D right.
I mean I knew somebody who was living up in
uh not Beverly Hills. What's the one right on the
well anyway, one of these places and their their place
was so small and it was two and a half
million dollars. This is asked.
Speaker 5: Our daughter was in La Fort summer.
Speaker 2: And she was Shelly.
Speaker 6: It was Hollywood, Hollywood and Librea like Sketchy is under
selling it is but it was like super expensive the
apartment she was in, this tinty little thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I always was like if I.
Speaker 4: Was of our daughters, texting me.
Speaker 5: Okay, well we'll do that after you.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 7: Didn't you know how important we are right there?
Speaker 4: She needs to go to urgent care again again?
Speaker 2: What you didn't she fall? That was like a really scary,
scary scary thing because the head is and I don't
I hope I'm not bringing somebody, no, yes, here And
I remember thinking, I remember the whole story about it,
and I'm going man, because you know people, I knew
a guy who fell, well, a comic fell off. Uh,
stepped off a curb to take a phone call and
slipped and fell and hit his head and wound have
been like a rehab for a long time.
Speaker 4: She she was just it was in Charlotte.
Speaker 2: She had a layover yeah.
Speaker 4: We we landed in Buffalo and literally the somehow someone
got in contact. Anyway, that was a couple of years ago.
She's fine, she's good. I mean, she takes they the
diagnosis was epilepsy, that she had a seizure.
Speaker 2: So really, yeah, okay, any sense any Caesar sense? No, no, no, no, nothing.
So that's great.
Speaker 4: Then she's out in Boston. She moved up to Boston
in April.
Speaker 2: What's she doing there?
Speaker 5: Living her best life?
Speaker 2: She saved. It's just weird. It's weird because you know, like,
you remember everybody, how we were when we were together.
Now to think that you have grown children, you're going
to be a grandfather, it's weird. It's just weird because
nobody seems any older than when.
Speaker 7: That's what came up at the reunion was like when
you run into somebody who you know since your little kid,
like Maddie Salvia, mister Teachers, his son was in my class,
and he comes in with his wife and he's like,
you can call me Maddie, and I go, no, I can't,
mister Salvia. You're mister Alan. You're oh yeah, yeah, right,
even when they tell you you can, because and I said,
I that's the weirdest. It is weird because Michelle Rusick
was there and her parents came.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking she was so hot.
Speaker 7: Still looks good.
Speaker 2: Though she wore the shortest shorts of the track team
she did. There was always a little cheek hanging out.
I was there for it. I was right there. We
would run last. I knew what asked. I was behind
and I was probably seventh grade then.
Speaker 7: And she looks great in her parents showed up and
her parents look great. But he's like, you can call
me Mike, and I can't. I can't, You're just mister Us.
And he's like, no, no, no, it's a weird.
Speaker 2: It is weird.
Speaker 7: And I said, the weird thing is you guys were adults.
I've known you since I'm five years old.
Speaker 2: I know, but we're better adults than us. That's what
I always. I feel like I'm a terrible adult. I
like I'm a kid, like a kid adult, just different adults.
Speaker 7: So that's what I told, like mister Salvi, I said,
I go, well you were an adult, you were mister Salvia,
and I go, we were kids and he's like, well,
you don't want me to call you mister Walsh. And
I go, no, but you still look the same to me.
Its in you missus Salvia couldn't recognize us because she
knew us as five year old. Yes, you already knew
you as adults. So when I see you again, you're
still mister Salvia. But I'm now not little Matt Walsh, redhead,
curly head kid running around with your son. I'm an adult, bald.
Speaker 2: Guy, Matt Wall psycho running around with.
Speaker 7: And it was just like, I go, so, you guys
look great, and we all got old, you know what
I mean? Like you guys to me, in my in
your brain.
Speaker 4: They look the same, but I think adult, Like that
generation of adults were adults. Like you look back in
the fifties and the sixth they all looked grown up.
Speaker 2: They you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I just saw the whole movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was Pop trying to
figure out how old.
Speaker 7: How old my grandfather was, And we just had a
whole bunch Joe digitized a whole bunch of home movies.
And remember my grandfather Pop at our house all the time,
lived with us at the end, and you look at
him and I'm like, Okay, I'm having my third birthday?
How old was Pop? And you look at him and
you're like, he looks like he's you know, like seventy
thirty three. It's like that we did a thing this
you probably noticed, like the Wilfred Brimley factor. Yes, like
Brimley Coon, Like, yeah, he was forty nine when he
filmed Coon. And I'm like, I'm fifty eight already, and
I'm like, you know, how could he have looked that
old at forty nine? And then you look at Paul
Rudd and Paul Rudd's forty nine, same age. You look
at a picture of no way impossible.
Speaker 4: But your mom like, so, I feel like your parents
were always the grown ups, you know what I mean?
I mean your parents were more of the to me.
Speaker 7: They were younger.
Speaker 2: They were the.
Speaker 4: Younger, but they were like they were cool because they
would show up in Halloween costumes wearing me and my shadow.
Speaker 2: That probably wouldn't fly, probably wouldn't have all. They were cool.
Fer your dad.
Speaker 4: Your dad used to sing and being the music teacher,
your dad used to come over and sing seventy six
trombones when he got drunk aund the house.
Speaker 2: He would march around with missus latch and he would
get on his knees because it would make him the
same fight and they would marching around. But I remember
playing the piano for him, I'm sure sure, encouraging him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was like a lot of drunking going on back.
Speaker 2: A ton and like this is like they glorified alcohol
to the point where I just had half house.
Speaker 7: Somebody she fell off the bo It might have been your.
Speaker 2: Dad, Yeah, had.
Speaker 7: All gone on his shoulders and she fell on the
fell on the juke box and like literally like mester
backup was like laid up from the sharp edges of
We had a Worlitzer jukebox. I remember the we had
like we had the basement to.
Speaker 2: Go in the bathroom, take off my under shirt, come
out and do a dance with I had this.
Speaker 4: There was like like one of those you know table
lamps that had us.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was spotlight and I would follow you. Yeah,
it was a spotlight. We did a whole damn the
whole thing over. I didn't dance. I was a spotlight.
Speaker 7: There was probably musical accompany.
Speaker 2: I was like anything that I could get attention to
being on stage. It was all good.
Speaker 7: It was all good. Like we had the pinball machine
and box, and so the parties were always.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, it was always over there. I
think we rest our case. I think you lost this
one on the rich kids stuff. Three in the winter cars,
the summer car, pinball machine, shoe box, the whole thing.
And you had videos and your dad had a friend
who would copy movies for you guys, but he would
splice in porn. There's something that's not exactly what you mean.
So was it in a friend of your dads, mister Watson.
Speaker 7: Back when you look like you were contacting Jupiter. Yes,
we had no cable. You mentioned he would make VHS
tapes of mt V.
Speaker 4: Something happened, and I bet you were there. We were
watching something and all of a sudden, like the groove.
Speaker 2: Tube came, he.
Speaker 7: Spliced it in. He would record over it and sometimes
you remember, and he would record us six hours or
whatever you record of MTV. Because we didn't have cable,
we were like being less, like a third world nation.
The world was passing us by right north.
Speaker 2: We got the Losing Teams t shirts.
Speaker 7: We would get these tapes and we would have patriots.
Everybody sat in our basement going, this is what.
Speaker 4: A sudden something happened.
Speaker 2: I remember that tape was like.
Speaker 7: The tape You're like, was that just a naked dude
running mind at the end of m TV.
Speaker 2: There are people, Yes, there was, Yeah, there was.
Speaker 7: I remember, I'm gonna go over to walls and watch them.
Speaker 4: I truly thought that memory was like my like I
was home alone and I discussed it, but maybe you were.
Speaker 2: There with I don't know.
Speaker 7: It was because we literally had no cable and you
didn't watch and like.
Speaker 4: I feel like there was a movie called the Groove
Groove Tube.
Speaker 7: Is not a porno by the way, like R rated movie.
Speaker 2: Now, there were some sexies and there was a guy.
Know what was happening with that tube?
Speaker 7: Which actually had Chevy Chasing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it.
Speaker 7: dB a movie and it's like a bunch of skits.
I didn't know that, but because I recorded it. At
the end, it's very end. There was a cut sceneor
it was like the World Olympics of sex. Oh okay,
Chevy Chase in the movie. I have a very good memory.
I'm really good at trivia, and they were like commentating
on her like these German judge just gave him a four,
you know kind of thing, and you look at it now,
but like, I'm sure when you guys were watching it,
it was like you're like, holy smokes. Yeah, yeah, Joe
would record six hours of whatever. No, not this Joe.
Joe was busy out chopping wood.
Speaker 2: I remember Caroline called me up. I was in tenth grade.
She called me up, and she asked me if I
would go to the prom. Now I had already not
not not not not with you. You gave me the
choice of three different people who would I go to
the prom with?
Speaker 7: So she was simping for it, Yes, she was.
Speaker 2: It was it was Stacey grow and I wound up
going and I didn't want to go, and I had
already been asked by Lorie. Alfonso's friends offered me seventy
five dollars to go with her, to go with Laurie,
to go with Laurie.
Speaker 4: To pay you to go.
Speaker 2: They offered me seventy five dollars, and I said no.
I said no, Well, don't forget that she was Laurie
caw Alfonso, Oh no, and then put the picture in
them anyway, So, uh so bully my father, Yeah, but
my father found out that you had somehow Again, the
parents talked and found out that you had asked me,
So he like basically braided me a little bit, and
not in a good way. He said, listen, do you
know how hard it is for a girl to ask
someone to go to the prom? You absolutely will go.
You will be a gentleman. You will walk into that
room like she's the only person in the room, and
you will. You will do this. And remember we went
and then was like shop for your dad. Yeah, my
father was. We were rated.
Speaker 4: I was, you know, I feel like we ended up
at Stacy's house.
Speaker 2: We did after the problem, Like we weren't allowed to
go to anywhere nowhere because because Caroline would walk around,
go where's the because they would say, where's the prom party?
And Caroline, I remember my mother going some field, some field.
It's not gonna have it in some field, and I'm.
Speaker 4: Going I said, we were gonna have the party in
some field?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because everything was in a field of pine.
Speaker 7: Plant was ten parties in a field are real? Like
if Hollywood, like were to make an eighties.
Speaker 2: Movie about our rural yes, not John.
Speaker 7: Hughes in a big Chicago high school, like you literally
all parked your car and drank from a cag Yes,
And it was one beer or a Matt's beer ball,
not open with a steak night because you didn't have
a cag and we were like all idiots. And then
we'd all drive around.
Speaker 2: So because we lived in a rural area. Now, I
snuck out of my house once and ran down just once.
But I remember running down Charbial Drive and worried that
cars were coming up they were gonna see me, and
I rememb I put on I was going to meet
the crush. I had the biggest crush in Tara Oh.
So it was Tara Oh. Yeah, and Jane Mintayo were
coming to They were going to meet me and take
me to a party. And this party was in a field.
And it was end of school because there was regions
and tests and all this stuff. This was the chemistry.
When then I failed the first time. So I sneak
out of the house. I run down Charwill. I jump
over not just a rock wall, but a barbed wire fence.
I'm hiding, and then I'm running. I put your car on,
now your car and sweat. I have a cloud like
pig pen. And I get in the car and in
the back seat was Tom Hart and Mattts. Scotts and
I remember getting in and they're like all looking at
me because I had I was just like this mushroom
cloud of your car. And then we went to the prom,
so I have not the problem. We would drove out
to this field, had a party, and then drove all
the way to the Pleasant Valley Diner and then back.
And I think I got home, crawled back in the
window to my bedroom at like five am, six point thirty.
My mother's banging on the door. You got to get
up and start studying for that regions. And I remember,
my why are your eyes so much I've been studying
all night. Just kill me. I need a break.
Speaker 4: I remember going to your house maybe it was after
the prom, and your dad answered the door and he
said something about.
Speaker 5: Like he's trying to hold his.
Speaker 2: Toothpicks in his eyes. He thought he was funny, and I.
Speaker 4: Was like, what the hell's wrong? Who holds her eyes open?
Speaker 2: Why were we at his house? I don't know. I
think the next morning or something.
Speaker 4: We had to check in every hour, and like truly
we sat Stacy used to have like a hot touch
right in like a sun room all night.
Speaker 2: Long before and we had to call every hour.
Speaker 4: I had to call every hour still say.
Speaker 2: So there was still here. Well, then my senior prom.
I think it was the Osofskis Katosafskis starts to her
parents that my parents were having the party. So the
Ososki's call my parents and my mother goes, we're having
the party and I go what and she's like, I go, no,
we're not. And she's like yeah. Now I got Tara
to come back and go with me to my senior prom.
So she's a freshman in college. We all go to
the prom and then we went to the Ryancliff Hotel.
Speaker 4: Oh, you could get in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time. I used to have Nathan Briggs
would go in. He would put on a shirt and tie,
go up to the bar and talk about what a
shit day Yet at IBM you get a picture of
beer and we'd played pool. We were in there all
the time, drinking it. Like again, miles from where we lived,
on these dark roads, Like I would go crazy if
my kids were there, and then my parents. So now
I pull up to my house after that and there's
all these people. There was somebody's dad standing under the
basketball who in my driveway drinking beers with the kids,
like his daughter was a year younger than me. She
was he was sitting there drinking with everybody my father's
dumping beers and getting rid of stuff. Todd Yukamb became
Todd Pukem that night because he was puking everywhere. It
was like a mess. I remember being so embarrassed. And
then the next day we went to Stissing Lake and
then I got really drunk.
Speaker 7: I don't think I remember that name. He had an
older brother.
Speaker 2: I wanted to say, yeahs were talking about all's boys.
Well you went out with chrysal Bruto. Come on, he
was like two years younger than you. No, he was
a year younger than me. He was a year behind me.
Look at that. Look at you robbing the cradle at
the time pine Planes Robbing the Cradle said, there was
a small, small, small running out and around did Yeah
you got your closet that never let good job, congratulations. Yeah,
that was a win. That was a win. That might
have been the best to come out of Pine playing.
I'm saying, of all the guys, you know, I like
to think I had some chance in there, but no,
Joe had it all. Joe had it all. That was it.
So when you look back and he regrets on going
to a city versus a country type. I kind of
like here in Fairport. I like it here because it's
small town. It's nice, and there's a ton of ship
to do. Now Fairport's getting too big. The practice the
cannery is just crazy. It's blown up and there's no
real there's no parking and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: There's a limo, there's a golf cart limits from the parking.
I was like, waitte, I can give this guy a
dollar and they'll drive right car.
Speaker 2: But there was something about growing up and that was
there was a charm to it. And yet uh sadness.
I feel like because you were so isolated, I don't anywhere.
Speaker 7: No, we're isolated because all your friends were just as isolated.
Speaker 5: Had I like that.
Speaker 4: I've known Alisa since I was three years old.
Speaker 2: Our kids don't have that, No, they don't, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like we found a nursery school picture in those videos
and we're trying to figure out who's who. Yeah, you know,
like missus Mead remember the Meads?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do. We have stories Martha Sue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have stories that go back to then when
she showed up to bring us to nursery school, and
she showed up with the big yellow feather hat.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't like I have this member of a big bird.
Speaker 4: But like very I think like a lot, Like our
kids don't have friends.
Speaker 7: From four years We just bo talked about that that
like we went to nursery school. You're you met kids
at four point or whatever, and we would go to
nursery school and rich kid okay, just the rich kids.
We would go. Our limo driver would take us point.
But like and then you saw these kids on Sundays
at church and Sunday school. So you all these kids
and you grew up with them from the age of
five when you started kindergarten toil the age of eighteen.
Speaker 2: And you didn't just.
Speaker 7: See them five days a week for school, No, you
saw them six days minimum and probably also on Saturday
after you rode your bike.
Speaker 2: To the wreck the wreck or whatever.
Speaker 7: You saw them every day in the summertime. And my
kids don't have that. Her kids don't have My.
Speaker 2: Kids don't have that either. They didn't have it. Yeah,
there is something that's the thing.
Speaker 7: That's the thing that's like my wife doesn't get She's like,
I don't know why you want to go see them.
I like, because I grew up with them. It's like
seeing your brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after forty years, the most formative years of your
life were spent with these people. That's why I think
what you and Joe have is really unique and no,
what a nice history in that you've known each other.
Speaker 4: I will say through every half those memories like yes,
because if I had a husband I met in college
or your college, I couldn't go, oh, don't you remember
when this happened or that happening book?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 7: Like Ann, She's She's like, my wife's like, I don't.
Speaker 4: Even Last night the four of us were sitting around,
She's like, are you talking about Bye blade stuff again?
Speaker 2: Because I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to talk. I don't like that my
wife sounds.
Speaker 2: Does anybody That's how you always made her sound? I
don't know. It seems like anybody remember the Pine Mall?
Oh yeah, we were just talking about it. It's like
an arts center.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, they redid it, but there was remember they
were like cal.
Speaker 5: Was it the Coons?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, somebody like.
Speaker 2: That ideas is Arcadia, But it was like the older Arcadia, Yeah,
because I remember that was where I had my first
beer outside my house. It wasn't chocohol. Well, you didn't
know the right right people. Charles McLachlin. I love Charles.
He was great when they took the Governor off the
golf cart and I worked forty miles an hour about that.
Speaker 5: I worked there with them. With those guys, were they
not the most fun? They were so much fun.
Speaker 6: I remember I have these vivid memories with Charles and
like we'd pull up to the gas station after school
and is he had like a black money car lower
or something.
Speaker 5: It was like that was a cool car. Yeah, he
was a beater, but it was really cool. He's like
pulling out like the forty eight cents.
Speaker 2: Yeah worth of gas. Yeah. It was just like I
remember sticking one of those things that would explode in
his cigarette and he's driving down the road and I'm
in the car with them, and all of a sudden,
he goes boom, like one of those poppers. Yeah, but
you stuck it in a cigarette and blew the tobacco. Yeah,
cigarette loads and then it blew tobacco over. I thought
we were gonna die because he's like but I love
those guys. He was a big, tall guy and he
had a beer called Old German and he leaned against
the bathroom door so no one could get in because
I think it was a unisex bathroom. I think it
was one for both, and he leaned against the people
were bagging. He goes, hang on, we're chugging this beer.
And then he goes, what do you think, Like, oh,
it tastes great, tastes like Heineken. I had no idea,
but that was the thing that was the first beer out,
and I think I was four tea was cool like that.
Speaker 4: It was dark and there was a cheap box, but it's.
Speaker 2: The closest thing. Like you go New York State, people
think New York City. You know, then you got Buffalo
even rochesters we grew up in.
Speaker 7: People are stupefied when I go, well, we grew up
south of Albany. They're like, isn't it all Like I'm like, no,
it's super rural farm country south of almost to Connecticut,
skip school, go to bash Bush Fall.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know, like I go, we it was not.
Speaker 7: It was mostly weekenders coming up out of the city
and people whose dads invented the computer for IBM.
Speaker 2: And then right and my parents were teachers. Your parents
were bankers, right, and then.
Speaker 7: You know, local slash professionals versus rich kids at them.
Speaker 2: Then there were something. Then there was just something. You
didn't know what they did. You know what the stuff bunks,
you get your quarter of.
Speaker 7: Wood, cord wood dumped in your driveway.
Speaker 2: I mean we even had things like my father traded
a car for a quarter woods. There was like a
bar it was chickens, yeah, and it was it was
the bombards up the street. And my father kept saying, hey,
you got the car, where's the wood, where's the wood?
And he got so pissed he didn't it was supposed
to be chopped and split. He sent big logs and
dumped them at the end of the driveway. Yeah, so
that was like my mother's like, so I remember.
Speaker 4: I remember one time your grass got so high in
your yard. Someone started mowing it and just sat there.
Speaker 7: That was my dad was like, your dad, Bill just
gave up trying to up to your waist.
Speaker 2: I think we were away on vacation. We came back
and it was just done and now you had it
was like it was like a mullet. We had a
mullet lawn right party business up run partying near.
Speaker 4: The house and next to your house. You and I
used to go in the woods and like there were
like we'd find refrigerators, remember.
Speaker 2: That, ye, Like I don't know if it was a
dump no, no, no, no no, that was my dad.
He would just dump ship the they don't he'd dumped
more sh It was a landfill over there. There were
paint cans and because he built the house, we found
we're going to build the whole house over there.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was my dad dumping everything over there. He
was Yeah, that was just his way.
Speaker 4: Like I truly thought, like someone must have used this
as a landfill.
Speaker 2: Well that he did. He did it as a land But.
Speaker 4: If you went back behind your house through the woods, you'd.
Speaker 2: Come out on steps set and they had that's for
the little house on the prairie tree.
Speaker 4: Because kid same thing with her house. If you went
through her woods and the morm woods, you'd find that
big field tree and it looked like that little prairie
where they opened running.
Speaker 2: I used to love to go back there. There was
a pond and I used to go fish they're all
done and catch yeah. Yeah, oh, I didn't ice skate.
I used to go and fish there a lot. And
I remember trying to skip school once and waving the
bus on and the garage was just set back, and
Marge caught me, and she because the bus did a
loop and they came down. Everybody's laughing at me, and
she's made me get on the bus and go to school.
And I was so pissed. It was like I couldn't
get a I got away with a lot of shit,
like a ton like when I look back, because I go,
you guys were really all you were good. I mean
I was standing on the hoods of cars, surfing, surfing
on top of surfing on top of the car, which
you go, you right, you would die.
Speaker 4: Did you play Mailbox Mailbox Base?
Speaker 2: I didn't because I always thought that was mean. And
your mom's house got hit a lot. Your mailbox got
hit a lot because people it was your mom and
they would come through. I didn't like that game. I
didn't like destruction of property like that game.
Speaker 7: We did the Tommy had a ranchero. Yeah, and we
did back in the truck. Oh yeah. Maherrow is basically
the mullet.
Speaker 2: Yes, they used to have seats in them.
Speaker 7: Those were the super So we would stand in the
back of his car holding onto two ropes that went
down to the tie hooks. And the game was to
see if you could get someone to fall out, not
just fall just fall out, fall out of course, and
you like we did the Rockford file moves because we
just watched TV. You had nothing else to do. So
we'd be like, I could do that with her car
and you would be cold spring road full Jim Rockford
forty fifty miles an hour and reverse to the floor
and just cut the weed.
Speaker 2: I'm just very glad that you could verify all the
stories I've told.
Speaker 7: Nobody thought about it, like we didn't think I'm probably
gonna die.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, like, well, why we're sending young men
to war because we.
Speaker 7: Like I remember my friend Jim had a truck and
we were towing a lawnmower in a trailer and I
would jump out of the back of the trailer, oh
and then back again like we were stunt men. It
was not like you didn't think I could probably fall
out die though. The smart idea and luckily there was
no phones, there was no stuff.
Speaker 2: The worst would have been if you could have recorded
that stuff, it would because I totally would have done
it would recorded. Everything would have been bad.
Speaker 7: So it's all just hearsay and you remember.
Speaker 2: When yes, and the memory sometimes get sweeters to get older.
Speaker 7: Of course, the fishy caught has always been about so
the stories. But your stories, I'm going to guess are
all true because we all can verify. There was like
we had parties at our house that you know were epic, but.
Speaker 2: They were family parties those but we had parties, parties,
just kidding.
Speaker 7: My parents were in Virginia, Yes, they came back. They
came back, and my brother and I had a party
and we had a gravel driveway. So everybody started the
burnouts in the driveway. Yes, because that way you can
get the real you just launching rocks, Like there's an
eighty mile an hour burnout coming out of your driveway,
you know that goes two hundred feet up the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I used to like to come in on my
bike and skin because there was that good like oil
and gravel.
Speaker 7: Right, And so my parents come back and my Dad's like,
why are there so many burnouts out of our driveway?
And my brother and I are trying to explain a story.
We're like, uh, just a clutch problem. You're like, you know,
I mean the stories were and like your parents must
just go wow, are you bad?
Speaker 2: Lying yes, that there is no way you can you alive?
Speaker 7: Like how bad could it have been because you're all
still here and I haven't heard any stories of somebody dying,
but like you're trying to explain away and you think
you're like, I'm smarter than my dad and you can't be.
You're just like, no, like you know, we all did it.
Everyone hammered on a car, did burnouts, all that stuff,
and you're like, how did you guys?
Speaker 2: Not just well there was a ton that didn't there,
but I mean a ton that didn't survive as.
Speaker 7: One of the there's always some there's always a sad story.
Yes there was, and that you know that you hear
of and you're like, like it happened to me, loo
could possibly?
Speaker 2: God? What could go wrong? So well, I'm so happy
that you guys agreed to come in. Thank you. And
I'm very glad because some of the stories I tell
I always think that they sound made up and insane.
Insane is the right word because who would live in
this place and how could this all happen? And I
was a little more adventurous probably than That's what I
don't like.
Speaker 4: I don't some of the stories you tell them, Like
what the hell? Where was I in the sand pit
with Joe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were like behind the wreck. Yeah you'd go parking. Yeah,
you guys were doing it. I was just I don't know, watching.
Speaker 7: The center stage.
Speaker 2: I was just telling somebody I go man. I mean,
I remember I tortured her on the bus, but I
just in a playful wafe. Yes, Bill, harass was the worst.
Speaker 7: Had like an hour for somebody to work on their game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the boys was good.
Speaker 4: Goose us grab parts of our We were all assaulted on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I learned what goosing was in fifth grade.
I remember pinching Becky balls.
Speaker 5: But you did it all the time.
Speaker 2: What I don't think I did.
Speaker 5: We were just saying that all the stories were true.
Speaker 4: Like Carl Blanketberg would grab your asses were walking by.
We were all sexually assaulted on.
Speaker 2: When you think about that, I'm just here for an apology. Bill, Well,
you know what I do owe you that I that
I think it even out though your mom got me
in a lot of trouble the Fleming household. She was
always very kind to me, very nice, you know. But
your mom had such a stern face. You can never
tell what like if you were in trouble or not
tell me about it, right, I would think she's going
to be listening to She doesn't my computers.
Speaker 5: You need to com that's true, you do.
Speaker 4: Do you remember helping me get a car out of
my garage? Was him or it was Keith Stanley, but.
Speaker 2: I think we got you in on that. Yeah, Keith
lives up here.
Speaker 4: Alisa decided to try to drop the stick shift.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I do remember this. I do remember this,
and oh god, the grinding, and I remember coming up
hearing it. I could hear it from I was right
on the corner of char Will. I could hear it.
Speaker 5: And there were skid marks on the garage floor.
Speaker 7: Ye, your dad, Joy, Yes, you had the horizon.
Speaker 4: We had two of them.
Speaker 7: We had like two of them in a row.
Speaker 2: Like what, I don't know why.
Speaker 4: You just wanted to take it out.
Speaker 2: She just wanted drive, Yeah, and then forget about it.
Speaker 4: And then it's half out of the garage and I
couldn't get it back in so I called Keith Stanley
and you I think yeah.
Speaker 2: And then there was also the the Hoffins lived down
the street and Jacky Jack was in my class and
then they had twin brothers that was in my brother
Kevin's class, so eight years and they got on the
bus once and they were in all new stuff. It
was before Christmas. There were like a new backpacks and
new stuff and they were like crying. My brother goes, guys,
nice jacket man, and he go, why are you Dad
got drunk and insisted it was Christmas and made us
someone off kiss. That was the kind of stuff that
was going on behind closed doors in our small town.
Like can you imagine if anybody knew now, you'd have
like crisis intervention, you'd have somebody that he'd be out
of the house. That was That was like the normal
normal stuff. And you know, I see this stuff on
TikTok like jen x and go yeah. Maybe it was
a whole generation. I don't know it was.
Speaker 4: I think it was everywhere in small so.
Speaker 7: Much freedom because your parents weren't around right, so you
literally would.
Speaker 2: Just be my mother will come up with I don't
know even where I was, Where was I was, I
even around. I go, yeah you were, but you just
didn't care.
Speaker 7: And like you would have to have, like we would have.
Head lts came over because my brother almost burned the
house down.
Speaker 4: I thought Kevin got caught.
Speaker 7: Ken put a log in. It was too long for
the wood burning stove, because we're all saving the planet
by not using oil, and you had the wood burning stove.
Everybody had stow and he rather than get a log
to fit, I'll just burn this one, left the door,
left the door with the log out. And when the
log burned, it never burns and falls in. It burns
and falls out because that side just yeah, a little
bit of a little bit of physics. And sure enough
the carpets on file and my brother and I are
throwing club soda and shipped the time and put the
fire out, and the burn is just because it's like
the polyester rugs, it's just like melting like almost like
a gasoline fire like low like a low.
Speaker 2: Like you know.
Speaker 7: So we get the thing out and we had to
have the neighbor over and he like cuts all the
carpet out and puts in a big slate hearth while
my parents are away. Wow, you kids are all set there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I remember the slate hear I didn't know he did.
Speaker 7: The slate heart He was a really crash guy like
he just like we fixed that.
Speaker 2: He was used to it with son.
Speaker 7: You know one of those I know a guy.
Speaker 2: He was the guy.
Speaker 7: He was the guy who can fix that rug you
lit on fire. You know anything you could break. I
know somebody who kicked the hole.
Speaker 2: You're going to be a grandfather with the best stories.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: None of them are going to come out. They got
to eventually, they gotta come out. But have a granddaughter.
Oh do you know you know the general did they
do a gender reveal and all that?
Speaker 7: No, the gender reveal was I said, I don't need
to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes it's surprises.
Speaker 7: I grew up. I didn't know what my kids were.
You just get what yet I did, but you know,
and you could have but it wasn't very accurate. But
now they know, yeah they do. They can immediately.
Speaker 2: It's like a three D.
Speaker 7: Yeah. My son was like, uh, it's a girl. Well
that was what four seconds next for the But I
mean it's good because now you.
Speaker 2: Know, yes it is, and it gives you a chance
to prepare and they're.
Speaker 7: Able to prepare and know what they're what they're getting
in a month.
Speaker 2: That's that's uh, that's exciting.
Speaker 7: We're excited. We're super excited.
Speaker 2: I think it's great that everybody came up for it.
I think that's amazing. I really do. Grandchild right, yeah,
the next generation. Yeah, are their bets on who's next?
Who's when the baby? I know when the baby is
gonna be born. That makes sense. But I'm saying what
kid is next?
Speaker 7: Well, I would say getting there in April? Okay, all right,
And that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2: Your nephew is he's drumming, Jesse.
Speaker 7: He just drummed.
Speaker 2: What's the band, Young the Giant, Young the Giant.
Speaker 7: So he's their drum tech. Yeah, and the drummer got sick.
Speaker 2: I saw him on the Jumbo. This is amazing, right, So.
Speaker 7: He got to play a full set because he's a
drum tech and he knows the songs and he's been
playing drums forever. Your grandfather, his grandfather on his mother's
side was Charlie was the drummer. He's been playing drums forever.
And they're like, you know the songs well enough to
that's amazing. Hours hours notice hour two hours. He's like, okay,
we need you to play tonight, and he got to
play the whole set. So it's pretty big.
Speaker 2: I think that's very big.
Speaker 7: Yeah, probably coming local. I think in September. Oh here,
I think Sarah.
Speaker 2: I think Saratoga is doing something that has a great
lineup this year. So it's that's such a beautiful spot.
Speaker 4: There are they still touring with?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they start back up.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's impressive. Look at that. Everybody's doing all that.
It's like that generation did so much better. They had
cooler ship and they're playing drums. Yeah, your daughter is
going to be a doctor and a doctorate. Right, Yeah,
that's great. That's the way I always like. I always
say I'm the dumbest one of my family. I have
a bachelor's. That's it. Everybody has a master doctor. It's
Katie's got linguistics and it's crazy all right. For Alica,
I'm very sorry for all past I am truly sorry.
There's the apology it is. I apologize Caroline for complete
apologize for I don't even remember if I hit on you,
I'm grabbing butts, I don't remember.
Speaker 6: Joe.
Speaker 2: I apologize for any mean stuff I said on track,
and I blame Max because we always played bullshit and
you let me jump bikes in the driveway when I
was a kid. Always years important, Yes they are. They
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