WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.040 There's a lot of stuff that's very two thousand and 2 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:04.040 one in here. There's a lot of we're going to 3 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:08.400 get into it, like diet culture and the tanning bed. 4 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:12.320 Transferring your airline tickets to someone else. 5 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:18.760 Why was this book written and who was it written for? 6 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:22.600 Get her at the airport, make dinner, invite fifty people 7 00:00:22.679 --> 00:00:23.800 to a holiday gathering. 8 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:26.000 It was surprising to me. I was like, that's something 9 00:00:26.039 --> 00:00:27.359 I could Is that something I could do? 10 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:30.679 Yes, you could, but you would No human would ever 11 00:00:30.760 --> 00:00:32.159 do it the way Luther Crank did it. 12 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:34.920 Did read a book in the third grade called The 13 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:39.200 Big Orange Spot and it felt very similar to that. 14 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:42.679 Yeah, it's almost one step below like Peter Rabbit. 15 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:50.880 Yeah, hello everyone, and welcome back to Mean Book Club. 16 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:56.520 This week we read Skipping Christmas by that old man 17 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:57.759 who's a lawyer. 18 00:00:57.679 --> 00:00:59.520 John Grisham. 19 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.359 It wasn't written at the top of the outline. It 20 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:06.200 was enough to throw me. Yeah, that old far John Grisham. 21 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:09.640 A classic, a Christmas classic. And this is our big finale. 22 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:16.200 Woo hell yeah, hell yeah, hell yeah. If you guys 23 00:01:16.239 --> 00:01:18.719 haven't listened to us, we are Mean book Club, where 24 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.120 you read New York Times bestsellers that you tell us 25 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:24.560 maybe shouldn't be as always. I'm one of your hosts, 26 00:01:24.599 --> 00:01:31.719 Sarah Burton, I'm Jonas Gravis, I'm Sabrina b Jordan and 27 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:35.560 Clara Morris will be joining us shortly, but we have 28 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:39.319 another aand a big ant. Sabrina, go ahead do the honors. 29 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:44.359 Oh, I would love to introduce our very special guest, 30 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:50.760 Jonathan Fernandez. Jonathan is an Afro Latino actor slash filmmaker 31 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.760 from Brooklyn slash the Poconos. 32 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.000 You you're not from the Poconos. 33 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:59.359 You're from Pennsylvania. I can you know? 34 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:00.920 Okay, that's fair. 35 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:06.959 You've seen Jonathan on Gossip Girl, Lethal Weapon, Younger Girls, 36 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.319 Bull other stuff on stage. 37 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:12.120 In your wildest dreams. 38 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:17.680 Yeah, standing behind you right now? 39 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:19.120 Oh, look behind you. 40 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.599 I'm here everywhere. 41 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:25.319 Oh my god, Jonathan. We're so excited to have you here. 42 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:27.080 So I'm so hyped. 43 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.919 It's really nice to to do this kind of thing 44 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:33.479 in general, but when you're doing with friends, it's even 45 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:34.319 it's very special. 46 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:36.280 We have known you for a long time. I sure 47 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:37.719 get into that. And I also want to say I 48 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:41.400 appreciate the Christmas spirit you brought with the whole Santa outfit. 49 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:42.960 You're wearing it looks really good. 50 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:45.960 Yeah. Well I haven't taken it off in like two months. 51 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:48.120 It's gone a little weird and people have been asking 52 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:48.919 me a question about it. 53 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:51.199 But it's dirty. It's very dirty looking. 54 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.120 It started off as a Halloween costume. I was just like, 55 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:55.319 I don't know, I think I can write this out. 56 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.639 That would be a fun social experience, wouldn't it be? 57 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:02.520 All right? Okay, So, Sabrina, how why. 58 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:03.960 Are we reading Skipping Christmas? 59 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:05.360 Oh, I'll tell you. 60 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:11.280 We're reading Christmas because of STEFFI And she said, Hi, y'all, 61 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.360 hope you're having a good holiday season. I was just 62 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:17.840 discussing the movie Christmas with the Kranks with some friends 63 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.199 and learned that it is based on a New York 64 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:25.759 Times bestseller by John Grisham called Skipping Christmas. This might 65 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.800 be a good one to cover next holiday season. Happy 66 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:32.400 Holidays from Houston, Texas or Houston. 67 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:34.639 I knew it, I y'all, I heard. I knew. I 68 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.400 knew it, had knew. 69 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.719 And I have to say that it wasn't until I 70 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:42.840 was making this outline forty five minutes ago that I 71 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:44.960 knew that this became oh no. 72 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:46.319 Sorry, Christmas with the Cranks. 73 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.039 It was three hours ago, and I learned it became 74 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:49.919 Christmas with the Crank. 75 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:51.680 But no, you put it on. 76 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.319 Oh and tried to watch. You did not figure it 77 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:57.080 out by the name. I said, exactly. Harker's last name 78 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.360 was Crank, Wasn't it yet? 79 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.319 I guess struck you as familiar. 80 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.520 Not even the recommendation from Stephie, which I guess you're 81 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:06.840 hearing for the first time now. 82 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:08.520 No, I mean I guess I heard it when we 83 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:09.639 talked about it months ago. 84 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:11.199 To map out this you forgotten. 85 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:13.879 But I've got to say, Christmas with the Kranks is 86 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.399 not one that really stuck with me. 87 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:18.800 So I've never seen it. 88 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:20.920 I've never seen it. 89 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.720 I will say it definitely is like an like a 90 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:27.079 ben Kenobe versus obi Wan Kanobe situation, where like Luke 91 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:29.040 is like I'm not even the biggest Star Wars fan, 92 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:30.240 where he's like ban Kenobe. 93 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.360 I wonder if that if I wonderful obi Wan bank Knobe. 94 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:33.639 I know. 95 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:37.519 It's all the time. 96 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:41.519 Yeah, yeah, it's gotta be the Crank, Christmas Christmas skipping 97 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:42.279 Christmas Crank. 98 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:44.360 But I was I was similar to that when I 99 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:46.560 was like, Cranks is a very specific surname. I wonder 100 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.199 if it's Christmas and Cranks, but I didn't look it 101 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:49.600 up until the end of the book and I. 102 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.399 Was like, oh, yeah, it is that exact same. 103 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:53.680 And as I was reading, though, I was like or 104 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.600 I was listening, I was like, this is starting to 105 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:59.079 feel like just a movie. I've never seen it, but 106 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:01.920 it felt so much much like like a trailer I've seen. 107 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.199 I was like, it has to be. 108 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:05.639 I didn't know who was in it or anything. I did, 109 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:07.759 well it Well, no, you'll get to it, so bread it. 110 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:11.439 You get to it. But first, how did everyone consume 111 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:12.079 this book? 112 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:13.160 Did you do audiobook? 113 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:14.120 Did you read it? 114 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.439 Did you how did everyone find the time to do 115 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:19.800 the four hour audio book? 116 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.199 Okay, and he really killed me. 117 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:25.000 I did do audiobook, but I was I saw it 118 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.680 was four hours, and then I think I like dawdled 119 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:29.839 a little bit, like I was like four hours easy. 120 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.199 And then I was like, oh shit, we're got to 121 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:36.279 record this. How did I not? It was the first 122 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.040 half of it was slow for me, so it took 123 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:38.480 a while. 124 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:43.480 But yeah, audiobook, yeah, I was audiobook as well. Used 125 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:48.160 the subscription I now have and it was three time 126 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.560 speed two times when I was driving, because you have 127 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:58.199 to multitask in a different way when you're driving. 128 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:00.639 Yeah, it was like not enough time for you. 129 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.120 I know for a fact you were doing this driving 130 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.000 to and from Pittsburgh. You couldn't have spared four you 131 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:07.160 had four hours. 132 00:06:07.240 --> 00:06:07.480 Yeah. 133 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.360 Well, I had another book that I had to listen to, 134 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.120 and I also finished that book on that drive as well, 135 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:14.920 and that book was longer. 136 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.079 What did you listen to that book on same same. 137 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.040 Same Okay, kept least you're consistent, Jonathan. How did you 138 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:23.079 consume this book? 139 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:23.560 So? 140 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:28.079 I consumed the via the og way. 141 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:29.480 Oh it was. 142 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.240 It was told to me by a fire. 143 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:38.439 Old oral cats as well. 144 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:39.800 Yeah, exactly. 145 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.839 Yeah, and so that to interpret a lot from these 146 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:43.639 cave drawings. 147 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:48.879 But the Yeah, it was interesting because it's like even 148 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:50.879 just like two weeks out and I was like, oh man, 149 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.879 it's already kind of like a little late, like I 150 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:55.399 should have started this already, and I had not opened 151 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:56.639 the book. And then when I opened it and look 152 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:58.360 at it that it was like seventy two fonts and 153 00:06:58.360 --> 00:06:59.360 I was like, oh, this is fine. 154 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:01.279 It was. 155 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:01.720 It was. 156 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.399 It was one of our best recommendations in terms of 157 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:08.199 book length, Like we've gotten some that are like killer. 158 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:10.120 And this was yeah, thank you, Steffie. 159 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.560 It's one step below like Peter Rabbit. 160 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:19.439 Yeah, and it was a beautiful Christmas present for us, Stepfie. 161 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:23.360 It really was like, wow, wow, Yeah. 162 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.120 This was a This was a fun one to uh 163 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:27.199 to read and listen to. 164 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.639 I'll see the audiobook narrator, I think did not did 165 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:33.759 not really make any attempt to do many voices. It 166 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:36.600 just felt like everything felt pretty. 167 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:41.079 From Luther Crank's mind, which is. 168 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.240 Like the different usually I feel like I'm like, I'm 169 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.360 guessing this because it's from like two thousand and one 170 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.600 or whenever this book is from. 171 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:50.319 But uh, yeah. 172 00:07:50.720 --> 00:07:51.800 We knew how to do voice. 173 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:54.199 I feel like the audio books weren't a big thing 174 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:56.759 as big of a thing maybe and they were just like, yeah, 175 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.399 just do the same voice for every character whatever. I 176 00:07:59.399 --> 00:07:59.800 will say. 177 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:02.720 I'm I'm not even an actor, but there were certain 178 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:05.600 line deliveries where I was like, really, you're just gonna 179 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:08.160 miss that whole joke, like that whole. 180 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.040 Yes, he was not my most favorite narrator. 181 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:15.160 Narrator, but we'll go, We'll keep going to do us. 182 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:18.199 I used to nu be into audiobooks and then I 183 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.759 had gotten. I started the one for the uh, the 184 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.160 the spy who came in from the cold, And that's 185 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.040 like one of the og spy thrillers written in like 186 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.240 by a guy who was actually a spy, John Lecare, 187 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:33.200 but he's like a pen name because he was a 188 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.080 real ass spi drant time, so he couldn't write under 189 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.200 his own name. Wow, and it was like cold War, 190 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:40.240 Berlin Wall all that stuff. But like the way he 191 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:43.200 read it, and like he actually really highlighted for me, 192 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.480 like how terse and clipped the language of the main 193 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.799 character was because he would like when I was reading it, 194 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:50.919 I was just like reading, but then like hearing him 195 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.159 being like, oh he almost always answers in like one 196 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:55.240 word or like only said, and it just like and 197 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:56.919 he would really lean into that and do the other 198 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:59.559 voices and the like accents from all around the world 199 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:00.240 and stuff like. 200 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.799 This is delightful. I was like super supper into it. 201 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:04.480 Oh that sounds great. 202 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:07.559 And honestly, thanks for the wreck, because I feel like 203 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:10.039 we have to listen to so many bad things. 204 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.320 It hurts us nice to share a good wreck. It's 205 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.120 people ask for them all the time, so we say 206 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:20.759 mush of the author's name. 207 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:25.919 They get it, Sabrina doing to sum it up for us? 208 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:30.080 Or what have you scripted something something? 209 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.320 I had a crazy idea that I think you'll lash 210 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:34.120 out at me for. 211 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:40.159 Yeah, okay, but but we don't have to do it. 212 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:42.919 But I was just thinking, and I think a season 213 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.240 finale is the perfect time to change up the format 214 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:47.879 of how we do things. Okay, go ahead, but okay, 215 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.360 here's just the pitch is, like, what if we did 216 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.200 the other stuff the author and then the book summary, 217 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:56.000 and then like did the summary? 218 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:56.559 Sure? 219 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:58.919 That's a great really sure. 220 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:01.879 Because I feel like this memory really flows into talking 221 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:02.759 about the book. 222 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:04.919 Okay, are we stupid? 223 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:06.279 How did we never do this before? 224 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:08.080 I don't know, do that? 225 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:12.399 Okay? Yeah, of course you're. 226 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:15.879 Listening to it two times to speed other bandwidth. 227 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:18.159 Exactly. 228 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:24.799 Okay, gang, here's what we're pairing with this book. It 229 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.600 is a new Trail brewing co. No idea where that's 230 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.840 from or how you could possibly get it. A sticky 231 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.879 Imperial milk porter. The can is designed to look like 232 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.679 snow is falling along the top, sort of sitting on 233 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:40.159 the eat. 234 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:44.840 It falls on Christmas, you know, just for all the listeners, 235 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:50.080 it seems like beer foam to me, or milk maybe ship. 236 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:51.879 Okay, it's a stretch. 237 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:53.679 It's a stretch where let's let her. Let's let her 238 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:54.519 do the stretch letter. 239 00:10:55.159 --> 00:11:00.200 Because it's brewed with coffee, maple syrup and bakingnose is 240 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.080 snow on the ten percent and it's a sixteen fluid 241 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.399 out so I'm gonna be pretty toast. 242 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:10.600 It's all right. I got some like the. 243 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:11.799 Term baking spice. 244 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.200 What is that? It could it be? 245 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.879 It's a random spice. It is like a bunch of 246 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:22.159 spices together. It's like not mags, and it's. 247 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.799 Like but just like I don't know, just one of them. 248 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:25.039 You're letting people take a lot of liberty with your 249 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.000 recipe if you go like it's cookies, just a yeah, 250 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:28.879 maybe just yeah. 251 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:29.919 You're just trying to keep it hidden. 252 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:33.639 You're like, I'm not telling you what. It's a baking spice, bitch. 253 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:35.679 So yeah. 254 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.519 And the reason we're drinking this is it obviously fits 255 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:40.720 out with the Christmas theme. There's all that snow on 256 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.919 the roof that's not beer foam, and it was in 257 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.679 my mom's fridge and I'm in my mom's house right now, 258 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:51.320 and they have quite the beer fridge. Oh my goodness, 259 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:52.480 anything you. 260 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.000 Could, thank goodness, thank goodness. 261 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:54.600 Wow. 262 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:58.600 I'm mostly very old from parties that it didn't get 263 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:00.759 consumed at years old. 264 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:04.320 But it's there. It's anything you want, all right. 265 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:05.200 That sounds great? 266 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.679 Yeah, so pair it up, folks. 267 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:10.720 Great, pair it squawks. 268 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:11.679 I'm sorry, what. 269 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.799 For me? Okay, okay, go ahead, Sabrina, do the thing 270 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:17.679 you wanted to do now? 271 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:20.600 Yeah, okay. So I'm gonna talk about the author. 272 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:24.080 It's going to be an abridged author summary because we've 273 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:31.360 read this man before. But John grishamish American novelist, lawyer, 274 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:37.399 and former politician known for his best selling legal thrillers. He, 275 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:41.159 according to many Internet websites, is a top ten most 276 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.360 wealthy author, which is something I personally admire, loving money. 277 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:52.039 And he practiced criminal law for about ten years and 278 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.879 then he served in the Mississippi House of Representatives from 279 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:59.080 nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety. Now, everyone, I would 280 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.519 like you all to guess his political party. 281 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:05.960 Independent, but you. 282 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.120 Looked it up. Okay, you don't get to guests. 283 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:09.879 I'm going to say Republican. 284 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:17.559 Yeah, well you're you're both wrong. No, he's a Democrat. 285 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:20.360 From Mississippi representative. 286 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:21.879 Wow. Yeah, sure. 287 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.320 And it's actually in the eighties when it was like, 288 00:13:25.799 --> 00:13:28.759 you know, I guess that's. 289 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.960 When it started to fall apart for the Democrats in Mississippi. 290 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:34.840 I feel like they were at theirs. It was like 291 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:37.039 the last gasp of breath there. 292 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.320 Well, he became a politician actually because he was appalled 293 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.600 at Mississippi's national image. 294 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:45.840 So I thought that was interesting. 295 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:51.360 Is that where that the this the McConaughey Sam Jackson movie. 296 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.639 Yes, that was in Mississippi. 297 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:57.960 I don't remember if it was based in Mississippi, but 298 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.720 I do know that it was like based on on something. 299 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:02.799 It wasn't a case of his, but it was like 300 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.919 he had heard the girl testify in court when he 301 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:07.559 was an attorney. 302 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.399 What if this movie we're talking about, it's called A 303 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:11.320 Time to Kill? 304 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:13.120 Oh, thank you, thank you. 305 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:19.480 That was his first But I tried to look up 306 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:24.080 some Christmas related facts about John Grisham, and all I 307 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.639 really found was that he's a member of the University 308 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:31.919 Baptist Church in Charlottesville, Virginia, but he opposes a literalist 309 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:36.039 understanding of the Bible and endorses separation of church and state. 310 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:42.000 Very Christmas yeah, interesting, Like his his opinions are interesting 311 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:43.799 to me, Like, it's not surprising that I was sort 312 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:45.480 of like, I think he might be a Republican and 313 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:47.320 Jonathan was like, I think he's a dependent because I 314 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:49.679 feel like he is able to capture like the nuances. 315 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:51.440 It was Sarah, that's it. 316 00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:57.559 It was, Oh my god, your voices are really similar. 317 00:14:57.559 --> 00:14:59.360 It's gonna be hard for people listening to tell. 318 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:03.240 You that's favorite audiobook. 319 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:05.879 Yeah, yeah, I don't know. 320 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:07.720 I feel like he has a good understanding of like 321 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.799 all different types of people. Like obviously he's written political 322 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:14.840 thrillers that sort of touch on like the unjustice of 323 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:16.799 the world and people that have been wronged through the 324 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:19.440 legal system. And then this book was all about like 325 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:24.120 a very clearly Republican neighborhood and he knew it inside 326 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:24.519 and out. 327 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:27.759 Yeah, which is interesting. 328 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.480 I mean, we'll talk about it more later, but part 329 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:35.639 of me wonders if it was commentary on what he'd experienced. 330 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:38.279 But perhaps so. 331 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.559 Anyway, some non Christmas max about him. 332 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:46.519 He was and is really into baseball, and he kind 333 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.960 of wanted to be like a major league player. He 334 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.159 in community college, however, was he wanted to play, but 335 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:57.200 he got benched, and then to him and two of 336 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:04.679 his friends whose names are Logan and Parker Pickle no yes, 337 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:11.759 and John Grisham. They all transferred to another school so 338 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.399 that he could like re up his baseball career. 339 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:15.960 That also did not work. 340 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:21.240 What good friends they packed in their lives grish could 341 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.000 try to get on the baseball. 342 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:24.679 How how did they help them? What did he They 343 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:26.759 just like throw him easy pitches and one was a 344 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.840 pitcher and every time I don't understand what they were doing. 345 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.480 I think potentially they too wanted to be wanted their 346 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.960 little baseball take off and it didn't happen. 347 00:16:37.720 --> 00:16:40.639 Bid things like that. That's too bad, very. 348 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:45.679 Very They're great baseball names, all of them. Parker Pickle, 349 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.559 I mean I draft him. 350 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:49.039 Yeah. 351 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:51.879 Pickle is a game and that you play in baseball? 352 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:53.519 Is it? 353 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.279 Yeah? It's like pickle is or you get in a pickle. 354 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:58.600 And I wonder actually where that's where the phrase comes from. 355 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.559 Where it's like if you runner is caught. This is 356 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.519 actually going to make me seem like I'm the biggest 357 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:06.559 baseball slash jock fan or jock person. 358 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.759 I'm two hundred years old, like I was the first 359 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:10.519 baseball game. 360 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.559 What if this stands yelled at. 361 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:17.799 When there's a runners stuck between a base two bases 362 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:19.839 and you see you've seen it happen before, and you 363 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.960 like they throw it at each other like the to 364 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:25.079 try to tag him. That's in a pickle. 365 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:30.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Parker pickle, I mean practically invented it. 366 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:32.920 Yeah, amazing. 367 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:34.279 He should get royalties. 368 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:40.839 Also, I do think that using the phrase a jock 369 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.440 person will assuage people's concerns that you are. 370 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:48.440 Okay, but you. 371 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:49.440 Are a jock person. 372 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:50.160 I try to. 373 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:52.759 I try to, like any time that I could squeeze 374 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:54.920 in a little bit of masculinity that I don't have, 375 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:58.200 I just try to, like, you know, shoehorn that in. 376 00:17:58.519 --> 00:17:59.920 Is this the time we should mention you were a 377 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:01.000 big ten cheerleader. 378 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:04.880 Yeah, I grew up. 379 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:05.400 I mean I was. 380 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.160 I was a code switched to the max. 381 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:10.200 Like I was a jock and a nerd and artist 382 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:12.759 and I would just like floated through Yeah, I floated 383 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.000 through a lot of different circles. 384 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:16.279 That's impressive. 385 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:21.599 Good one like me too, me too, So the readers 386 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.079 know I puffed my hair. 387 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:29.440 Anyway. John Grisham. He is on the board of Directors 388 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:30.519 of the Innocence Project. 389 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:31.480 That sounds good. 390 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:34.279 That sounds good, Well, I think it. 391 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:39.039 I like Jonah thought he was probably a Republican and 392 00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:41.880 being on the board of directors of the Innocence Project. 393 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.599 I don't know for certain, but I would bet all 394 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:47.920 the money I have that they are not any of 395 00:18:47.960 --> 00:18:48.920 them Republicans. 396 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:54.519 And he thinks, I this is just me. 397 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:57.359 On parts of his Wikipedia page that I liked, he 398 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.680 thinks that the prison population is too high. He cites 399 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:04.920 examples including black teenager and minor drug charges, and then 400 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.400 he goes on to cite those who had viewed child 401 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:09.799 porn online. 402 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:10.599 Okay. 403 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.519 He controversially added that he believed that not all viewers 404 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.079 of child pornography are necessarily pedophiles. 405 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:19.480 I will say that there is. 406 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:22.359 Additional information that part I was like, oh my god. 407 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.160 But then digging a little bit further, he. 408 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.440 Says, what did you find out? Yeah, I don't know if. 409 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.559 He was Basically like, he thinks that there are people 410 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.759 who think that they're watching adult pornography and they're duped 411 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:35.079 and its children. 412 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.480 And it sounds like something that happened to his friend, 413 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:38.680 and his friend tried to be like. 414 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.359 You didn't have no, I didn't have no. 415 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:50.359 All right now, sorry, Park got himself in a que. 416 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:55.960 Yeah, but he did say real pedophiles should be prosecuted 417 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:56.759 to the full extent. 418 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:57.759 Okay, great, Great. 419 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:04.799 It's interesting to like reform or restorative justice for this. 420 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.519 But like it is interesting because like our society often 421 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.119 wants to have it both ways, which with like things 422 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.440 that are less than. 423 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:16.440 Things that are bad, I'll say that. 424 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.599 And so like because it's like, hey, look at all 425 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:23.039 the money that we spend on advertisement for like you know, 426 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.440 fake snow on beer mugs or whatever, and like just 427 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.039 like alcohol and all that stuff. But then also like 428 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.119 the person who is an AA, it's like, well, that 429 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.720 guy couldn't handle it, right, you know what I mean. 430 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:35.720 It's like but it's like you're pushing and like pushing 431 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:37.640 pushing drink as much as possible, but like, oh man, 432 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:39.599 this guy has a you have a problem actually now 433 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:41.960 or like hey, all these casinos and gambling, but it's 434 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:43.599 like if you have a problem it, but nobody cares 435 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:45.599 about that part. And so my point is that like 436 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:47.880 you know, with porn sites and stuff like that, like 437 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.039 so much of it is like you know, barely legal and. 438 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:53.720 Like eighteen plums y, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 439 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:55.200 And then so when you do catch it in different 440 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:57.000 ways that are like, well, I don't even know where 441 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.400 this comes from, and like that doesn't mean that this 442 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.440 is also per and who's like trafficking people slash trading 443 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.440 like actual child pornography and like it has hard drives 444 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:06.359 of it and all that stuff. 445 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:12.640 Yeah, so you're defending Pickle, like what He's like. 446 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:14.400 Hey, remember you guys followed me to a whole different 447 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:16.160 university so we could play ball. Do you guys want 448 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:19.039 to also join the House of Representatives Mississippi. 449 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:24.880 Built Yeah yeah, And they're like yeah, sure, dude, Oh 450 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:25.400 my god. 451 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.200 Yeah no, this is such a complex, nuanced thing and 452 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:32.640 like I'd love to just you know, turn the podcast off, 453 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:34.680 have a big long conversation about it. 454 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.160 Oh, let's do it now. I'm just kidding, Uh, Sabrina, 455 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:41.319 what else? Wait about him? 456 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.599 Oh? So okay. 457 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:48.039 As of twenty twenty, he had written thirty seven consecutive 458 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:50.880 number one fiction bestsellers. 459 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:53.720 He's written more books than that total. 460 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:54.640 That's just hunny. 461 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:59.119 Number ones though consecutive? Wow wow, I know it's almost 462 00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:02.839 like he wasn't right all of them, probably, but probably yes. 463 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:04.000 They're probably, I don't know. 464 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:05.359 I don't know. 465 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:07.440 My friend John Grisham, I think he was. 466 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:10.000 I love how you were, like, we've already done, John, 467 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:12.599 We're on point G on your list now. 468 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:17.400 Yeah, that's a through G were Yeah. 469 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:17.880 Okay. 470 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:20.240 His first novel, A Time to Kill, which was not 471 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:25.079 immediately a bestseller, was published the month I was born. 472 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:30.440 You want to say that, sure, you want to say that? Yeah, 473 00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:33.279 all right, yeah, great, I'm glad. It was published in 474 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:38.039 nineteen ninety eight, yes, nineteen. 475 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:40.480 Ninety eight, twenty five or twenty. 476 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:50.200 Six, I am twenty seventy legal, fairly legal, and then 477 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.519 Ten of his novels have been adapted into feature films, 478 00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:57.319 and six projects have had some form of TV adaptation 479 00:22:57.440 --> 00:22:57.839 as well. 480 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.440 This book was published. 481 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:04.599 On November six, two thousand and one, also the month 482 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:09.839 I was born, and it's a holiday comedy. 483 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:11.720 It was number one. 484 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:12.960 Yeah. 485 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:15.640 Well, so most of his books are like legal thrillers. 486 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:16.440 This one is not. 487 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:18.480 That is audible for that, Okay, Sure. 488 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:21.200 I will say I'm surprised, like especially if he had 489 00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.720 written thirty seven consecutive number one fiction bestsellers, that's not 490 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:27.160 the amount of books he's written. 491 00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:31.839 Yeah, no, he's won more so partially, I think it's 492 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:37.440 because the citation was from twenty twenty and I wasn't 493 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:39.680 going to do the research on the rest of his books. 494 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:42.200 But my poem is going to be that Like that, 495 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:46.640 like ten movies, six TV adaptations, feels like of what 496 00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:48.160 I know of him, or I thought I knew of him. 497 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:50.440 That feels like a low number to the amount of place. 498 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:51.240 That's fair. 499 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.839 I totally agree. I was shocked because. 500 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:56.240 I was looking up. I was like, oh, yeah, movie, movie, movie, movie. 501 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.759 Yeah. I thought basically everything he wrote became a movie. 502 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:04.000 Yeah, but fewer than I hadn't imagined. 503 00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:06.400 Jonathan, maybe can pitch some things, pitch. 504 00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:12.599 The Pelican brief This time it's about underwear. 505 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:16.119 Yeah, I think that's a good start. 506 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:17.519 Pelican briefs. 507 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:20.279 This one from me. 508 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:27.119 This book in particular, was a number one New York Times, 509 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.119 which makes sense of thirty seven consecutive number one New 510 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.160 York Times bestsellers. It's a part of it I did. 511 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:35.359 I did that research into the reverse. So I was 512 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.599 shocked that this one was a number one. But if 513 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:42.160 knowing that basically everything he's doing consecutively is it does 514 00:24:42.240 --> 00:24:42.759 make sense. 515 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:47.039 It was interesting. It stayed so it was the like 516 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:48.279 December that it came out. 517 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:52.079 Basically, it was a number one New York Times bestseller 518 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.039 and it stayed on the list and later, like in 519 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.759 February of the next year, there was another John Grisham 520 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:01.640 book that was number one on the New York Times 521 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.640 bestseller list at the same time. And this is the 522 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:10.000 same time that The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen was another list. 523 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.119 Jonathan, that's another book we did this season. 524 00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:17.480 I've not read it, and well, Jona thinks it's a masterpiece. 525 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:18.720 It's good, it's good. 526 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:22.519 But it's just funny to me that that book was 527 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:25.720 number eight the same week that this book was number ten, 528 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:29.240 which like, yes, this book was lower, but the comparison 529 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:31.240 is so incredible. 530 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:32.519 Okay. 531 00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:38.720 And then yeah, this book was adapted to be the 532 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:40.920 Christmas movie Christmas with the Crank. 533 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:42.279 When did that come out? 534 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.359 And it came out, I want to say in two 535 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:49.920 thousand and four with Tim Allen and Jamie Lee Curtis. 536 00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:53.400 Really picturing Tim Allen the whole time I was reading that. 537 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.720 Yeah, Okay, I was it, but I see it. 538 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.079 Maybe I don't know, I don't quite it wasn't. 539 00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:02.799 It wasn't Santa Claus like he's done so many that 540 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:03.680 he does. 541 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:06.200 It is easier for Christmas. But I didn't feel this. 542 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:07.599 I wasn't picturing him. 543 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:10.720 I wasn't how and Dan Ackroyd as Vic Fromyer. 544 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.640 Oh I heard Dan Fackroyd was in it. Oh. 545 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:16.000 Yeah, it was a small role in the film. 546 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:17.559 Okay, big role in the book. 547 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:19.119 Big role in the book. 548 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:24.759 I was picturing Tom Hanks the whole time because I 549 00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.759 felt like the lead character was so similar to the guy. 550 00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.400 And a man called, Oh, yes, that's. 551 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.599 More what I was feeling too, the kind of yeah. 552 00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:35.279 But I guess he really wanted to kill himself. I 553 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:37.559 feel like this guy made jokes about killing himself but 554 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.519 didn't actually wasn't actually ever that close to killing himself. 555 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:41.960 Yeah. 556 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:46.000 When you all read a book, do you often picture 557 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:47.119 movie stars, isn't it? 558 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:49.240 Oh? 559 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:54.359 This was because Tom Hanks is in that movie. And 560 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.480 so when I read the book that time, I didn't 561 00:26:58.519 --> 00:26:59.720 know he was in the movie. Then I watched the 562 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.720 movie afterwards, so that has him in my mind for 563 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:05.480 that character. And then this character reminded me of that character. 564 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:08.799 So I don't always but it's it's a fun thing 565 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.240 to do to think about when you're talking to people. 566 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:13.200 Also helps get people to understand a. 567 00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:17.319 Character, I guess. But all the characters are the characters. 568 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:18.440 All the characters are like me. 569 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:21.240 When I'm reading it, It's like I'm the main girl. 570 00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.000 Yeah, and then I'm like the main boy. 571 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:27.119 Basically just me as a boy, I'm the bad guy. 572 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.519 I didn't. I didn't really, I didn't have. I feel 573 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.960 like some people might really like Luther Crank the main 574 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:35.359 character because I feel like I saw people comedy like 575 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.759 it was like my dad or whatever, and I was. 576 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:43.359 Like, I don't know this person, but I don't know 577 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.599 he was he was. Okay. 578 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:47.759 There's a lot of stuff that's very two thousand and 579 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.960 one in here. There's a lot of we're gonna get 580 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:55.759 into it, like diet culture and the tanning transferring your 581 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.039 airline tickets to someone else. 582 00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.240 Yeah, there's there are few. 583 00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:02.799 Most of it was just like, man, this is dated 584 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.519 in a way that I'm like, we either have not 585 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:07.119 gone past this in a way that we should have, 586 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.319 or like we or just like feels like forever ago. 587 00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:12.759 But that was one where I'm like, yeah, so many 588 00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:17.000 movies like prior to September eleventh, it is like, yeah, 589 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:18.519 their premises just would not work. 590 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.640 No, right, right right the whole. It's also just hard 591 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:26.319 to imagine someone being so rude as to not give 592 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.720 their parents heads up they decided to fly home. 593 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:34.000 A lot to say about that, Okay, all right, Hilaria. 594 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:48.599 Yeah, it sent me on a little like spiral of 595 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.440 trying to I immediately left the spiral, So I don't 596 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.880 have an answer for this, But I was like, how 597 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:59.079 do people know how to buy airline tickets before the internet? 598 00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.559 Which I like the Internet call numbers probably kind of exists, 599 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:04.160 but I was like, did you did a little one? 600 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.680 Did you have to call airport? You look at the schedule, 601 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:09.000 you to call the airline. 602 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.480 That's why the travel agency was such a great uh 603 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.200 uh service, because it's like you had a person who like, 604 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.400 I've used one. I mean now it's a billion years ago, 605 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.440 but like it was really nice being like, hey, where 606 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:21.920 should I go? 607 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:23.200 They're like, well, what are you looking for? 608 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.680 They're like these places, this is the most affordable, and 609 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.279 when you're there. I stayed at this resort and it's lovely. 610 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:29.680 You would like blah bla blah blah, And I went 611 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:31.480 there last year and they just like have done all 612 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:31.920 the things. 613 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.880 Yeah, it's really nice to get that. 614 00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.559 It's way better reading like a a shitty review and 615 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:37.359 like trip advisor. 616 00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:39.039 Yeah, and you have no idea who wrote it and 617 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.119 what their contacts are. But okay, but wait, before we 618 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.119 keep going, I want to just we got to do 619 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:44.599 the summary. 620 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:46.400 Yeah, pushed it back. 621 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.079 Let's go back to you. Ready to go to it, Serena? Yeah? 622 00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:49.759 Hell yeah? 623 00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.119 Okay, Wait, and I got to listeners. Let us know 624 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:55.279 did this work for you? Did it make you mad? 625 00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:59.559 I know how I feel, but I don't want to. 626 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:08.119 Okay, I So here, here are the roles. I thought Clara. 627 00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.680 I would give Clara a little more time, but you're 628 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:12.319 still not here. 629 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:15.119 So the roles are up for grabs. 630 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:21.279 Luther just a standalone role, Norah a standalone roll, Blair 631 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:26.799 and boy scout, and then random persons A neighbors and 632 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:28.440 firemen are paired together. 633 00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:32.519 So I'll do Norah. 634 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:35.400 Oh that's the best role. I think. 635 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:40.279 It was gonna be my role. 636 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.319 But I'll let you have it, all right, Jonathan, I'm 637 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:45.519 gonna let you pick next. 638 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.000 I mean, have a lot, all. 639 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:50.880 Right, good, yeah, good, great? 640 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:52.559 Okay. 641 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:57.240 I can be Blair and boy scouts. 642 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:58.920 And I'll be random person, bully, neighbor and Fireman. 643 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.759 Great, let's gone, we got it and Blake some Christmas music, 644 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.240 some jingles, you got it, put it behind us, Let's 645 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:12.759 do it. Ho ho ho. I can't wait for Christmas 646 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.200 this year, but it will be so lonely with our 647 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:17.920 only daughter off to Peru for the Peace Corps. 648 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.079 I think that we spent too much money on Christmas 649 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:21.559 in general. 650 00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:26.079 I love this. 651 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:27.119 I'm so sorry. 652 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:32.759 No, no, no, there's very grunny. 653 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.799 But I was very just improvise the whole time. 654 00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:42.119 Sorry, Jonathan, we do imbrov. It makes sense that you 655 00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:45.000 assumed we were talking like we were going to do imbrov, but. 656 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:48.519 We didn't tell you where it was. 657 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.200 But I actually am wondering, Sabrina, would you be mad 658 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.200 if we just did this with us? Like you know, 659 00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.480 what is that called gravid water? Where we did like 660 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.920 we read the script but the other day, oh yeah 661 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:01.960 in New York. 662 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:05.359 Yeah, well not grabbed water, but there's one that that 663 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:06.759 Brian Morbido does. 664 00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:13.720 A cat Oh okay, okay, okay, or Sabrina, do you 665 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.319 want to tell them where the script is? You're called 666 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:16.880 you wrote it script? 667 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.480 I mean we can do we can do it either way. 668 00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.640 We'll do any product down later we should do one. 669 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.319 Yeah, I can't have seen, but you know it shows 670 00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:29.480 that you just did gravit water because you were basically 671 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:33.519 word perfect already often when all of us started laughing, 672 00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:38.160 you truth. 673 00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:43.319 Yeah, alright, right, all right, start that Christmas music up again, Blake. 674 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:47.559 Let's go ho ho o. I can't wait for Christmas 675 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.160 this year, but it will be so lonely with our 676 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:54.359 only daughter off to Peru for the Peace Corps. 677 00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.680 More like, ho ho humbug. I have a great idea. 678 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.599 Let's give Christmas aalt again there and go on a 679 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.519 cruise that takes off on December twenty fifth. 680 00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.759 Oh you mean like we would still do our favorite 681 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.279 things like trim the tree, invite our friends over for 682 00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.400 the annual party, get each other kiss, and then cap 683 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.200 it off with a delightful Caribean cruise. 684 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.559 No, I mean we don't do a single fucking merry 685 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.160 little thing. We take these couple of weeks of diet 686 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:22.599 and tan. 687 00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:26.480 Instead, we'll save boo coo box. 688 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.880 Okay, this sounds good, No questions asked. 689 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.759 H Hi, I'm mister crank. You excited to buy Christmas 690 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:36.400 tree from us? 691 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.319 Cute little boy scouts only seventy five dollars. 692 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.000 Buzz off, I'm skipping Christmas. I'll give you three hundred 693 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:44.279 bones in the summer instead. 694 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.480 Hey there, mister crank, can I put you down for 695 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.119 ten fruitcakes from the fireman this year? 696 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.400 Haven't you heard? I'm skipping Christmas? You can put me 697 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:56.200 down for zero? 698 00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.880 How does that sound bad? 699 00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:00.680 It sounds it's bad. 700 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.000 Thank you for choosing our services today. We hope you 701 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.599 have a merry Christmas, sir, I. 702 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.280 Won't because I'm skippy Christmas. 703 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:17.440 Hey, Nora, are you gonna put up Frosty this year? 704 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.679 You're the only house on the whole block that doesn't 705 00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:24.719 have the decorations and it makes us look like shit. 706 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.639 We are a skipping Christmas, and I've been told that 707 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:33.360 means we are not doing a Frosty this year. Y'all 708 00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:34.360 rue the day. 709 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:41.360 Hello, Hi, Mom, it's me. I have great news. 710 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.559 We're coming home tonight for the annual Christmas party. 711 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.280 We Who is we? 712 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.079 Oh? Me an Enrique? Who is Enrique? 713 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:53.920 My fiance? 714 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.360 A South American fiance. 715 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:00.880 Okay, honey, we will see you tonight. 716 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:01.840 We are so excited. 717 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.960 What do you mean we'll see her tonight? 718 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:05.800 You're Christmas? 719 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:10.639 Listen here, you little curmudgely. Fuck our only daughter is 720 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:14.039 coming home and bringing our further son in law with 721 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:18.400 her future son in law. You bitch, you cook your 722 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.599 ass all around this town because we're gonna need a tree, 723 00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:23.880 a turkey, a ton of gifts, and fifty guests in 724 00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:27.519 the next four hours. We're not skipping Christmas. I repeat, 725 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:30.960 we are not skipping Christmas. Now. 726 00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:37.000 USh really great, Jonathan. 727 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.639 The way you played Luther was so frightening and serial killer. 728 00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:47.079 I love Halloween. It was Halloween and Jimmie Lee Curtis 729 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:48.039 would be in a movie. 730 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.519 It was very really coldness that just really penetrated. 731 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:58.079 And there was but honestly, there was so much of 732 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.239 this book where I was fully like I was like 733 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:03.039 Luther's crazy, but like Luther's right because like the people 734 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:06.599 around him are crazier, Like shut the fuck up, stop asking. 735 00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:10.320 Truly truly like that. It's it's it's funny, like this 736 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.400 is probably a longer conversation for some other time, but 737 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:18.079 it's like it's been really interesting to really work on. Like, uh, 738 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:20.159 it's gonna make this I don't know what's gonna make 739 00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:21.760 you sound like I'm not going to qualify it further. 740 00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:26.599 It uh just like when I'm just been so in 741 00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:30.360 tuned with like trying to be like as communicative as 742 00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.760 possible and really like not be uh and just really 743 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.159 like sharing emotions and being like vulnerable like all the 744 00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.559 time with whoever, not being cagey and being like, hey, 745 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.360 I'm gonna take it a face value what you said, 746 00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.000 and I'm gonna receive what you said a face value, 747 00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.760 which not a similar from the Sepeptember eleventh thing. It's 748 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.280 like almost no story would work if people just like 749 00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.440 said like, hey, maybe we shouldn't, like it's a little 750 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:52.920 weird that we're doing this, and be like, yeah, I 751 00:36:52.920 --> 00:37:02.800 think it is weird to end up movie like aftermun. 752 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.760 It's all people not knowing how to communicate correctly. 753 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.079 And there's and there's times where you're just like no, 754 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.960 they're like the writers choosing not to communicate what the 755 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.199 person would say in real life in this situation just 756 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:10.119 so they could get more time out of this like 757 00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:11.000 gag or like. 758 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.920 Yeah, yes, that's definitely happening in this book. 759 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:14.679 Oh yeah, this one. 760 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:16.639 The way it was like. 761 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.480 So the same thing over and over. Yeah, and then 762 00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.960 I was just waiting because I mean we all knew 763 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.400 Blair was coming back right, like, we're just waiting for 764 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.159 that shoe to drop, and I was like, for it 765 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.360 took so long for that shoe to drop that. 766 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.679 I was like, I didn't I didn't know Blair was 767 00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:38.639 coming back. I didn't think about it. 768 00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:41.119 I watch over me. 769 00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:43.480 I mean, the whole movie was or the whole book 770 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.960 was over for her in forty seven minutes. 771 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.000 There was no time to think about whether Blair was 772 00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:48.840 coming or going. 773 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.039 That's the trip to make the trip. 774 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:55.679 Yeah, you're pacing is all over. No, but I tried. 775 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:57.880 I try to do that too, Like I'm you know, 776 00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.320 based on like you know, being like a writer and 777 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.559 an actor. Like I tried to walk into things with 778 00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.760 no preconceived notions. I don't watch trailers and I don't 779 00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.480 read blurbs and stuff like that. Oh so it's really 780 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:11.679 interesting to be like I didn't look anything up about 781 00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:14.840 the book, but like I had read half of it 782 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.320 in one sitting, and I was, you know, like like 783 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.039 what Sabrina just said, like I try not to think 784 00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.239 about what may happen in the future, just as if 785 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.559 I can be surprised. And then but then it started 786 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.480 telegraphing so much then and funny enough, it didn't happen 787 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.320 at the halfway point. It was like maybe like seventy 788 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.199 percent in Yeah, it was. 789 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.119 Like the fire. I couldn't believe how late it happened. 790 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:35.960 I was like, yeah, really, if this happens, it will 791 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.519 happen earlier, because what is interesting about him doing what 792 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:39.039 he's doing. 793 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.440 I think it added to the chaos of the end 794 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.480 of the book, which made it feel like there really 795 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.760 were only four hours until the daughter was coming, because 796 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.360 I was like, there's not much book left. 797 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.079 Yeah, so a lot's gonna happen here. 798 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:57.360 I will say that at one point, when I did 799 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:02.239 allow myself to think alone, I was like, I was like, 800 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.440 wait a second, Like this book camp, the second half 801 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:07.639 of this book cannot be them on this cruise like. 802 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:14.559 That yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. 803 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.599 And they're just like having a greade that they'd learned 804 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.840 all their lessons or like better people now, like you're 805 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:18.920 just enjoying themselves. 806 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.159 Well, every six years, I think we'll do something like 807 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.039 this those other years, people, we're jealous. 808 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:29.039 I did also feel attacked by this book because as oh, 809 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.599 you know, two of you know, my family goes on 810 00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:36.519 pretty much like flies Christmas and goes to Hawaii and 811 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.440 like doesn't do the cruise but does like the Essential 812 00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:44.840 does that, but we also do Christmas like I do 813 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:46.639 all the I don't like, we don't like not do 814 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:47.079 the tree. 815 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.400 You're the trog duns. 816 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:51.880 Yeah, I get, yeah, I get you're right exactly. 817 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.679 But I was just like when he was talking about like, no, 818 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:56.440 we're going to do this and we're not going to 819 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.199 do this stuff, I just kept I was like, that's 820 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.159 a choice, Like it was surprising to me. I was like, 821 00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.199 that's something I is that something I could do? 822 00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.880 Yes, you could, but you would no human would ever 823 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.920 do it the way Luther Crank did it, which was 824 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.440 The book began with Luther writing a letter to everyone 825 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:17.119 in his office explainating that he was skipping Christmas and no, 826 00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:20.239 he would not be attending the office party, and no 827 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.800 he would not be attending the office dinner. And just 828 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:25.559 like this like kind of nasty letter. 829 00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.199 It's like once you go to that, that's also isn't 830 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:29.639 that free? Kind of you know what I mean? 831 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:33.280 Like you couldn't go, But also just like I doubt 832 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.159 it seems like he's a bad man that has zero 833 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:37.039 friends anyway. 834 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.119 I doubt anyone's gonna miss him if he just doesn't 835 00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:39.840 try fairly. 836 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:43.280 It was surprising when they said, like, oh, the closest 837 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:44.840 friends that we have that are in town that we 838 00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.840 would invite normally to the Christmas seve that they had 839 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:48.760 not mentioned the book. And it's like, it doesn't seem 840 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.480 like you had friends, right, And I will say too 841 00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:55.039 that like the if it did feel like a Larry 842 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.360 David thing were like almost always with with Larry, you're like, hey, man, 843 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:01.760 I guess this thing, why do we do that as 844 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.320 a society that makes no sense by all means? Be 845 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.960 upset about this thing and like you know, and you know, 846 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:08.719 go down with this ship. But then he always has 847 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.239 a knack for like becoming the asshole of it where 848 00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:13.320 he takes it too far and just like, well, now 849 00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:15.599 I can't defend you because now you're actually letting the 850 00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:19.119 elevator shut in this person's space, like right, you know, 851 00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:20.360 And that's what it felt with Luther. 852 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:21.960 WHI was just like, Okay, you don't have to do 853 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:22.719 all this other stuff. 854 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.880 But like there's like to say, you're skipping all the 855 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.920 societal things that people that are. 856 00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.559 Also fun for you potentially, Like yeah, just go. 857 00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.119 Or even like tipping people. It's like, yeah, yeah, give people. 858 00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:38.639 It's end of year, like end of year tip. Doesn't 859 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:40.760 you can say it's not skipping Christmas and still give 860 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.360 people an end of year tip for I don't know. 861 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:44.519 It was just crazy. 862 00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:46.320 Yeah, it's not just like, oh, I'm not tipping you 863 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:49.000 for what you're not doing for me in December only, 864 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.360 and so I'm not gonna give you tip at all. Yeah. 865 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:52.559 No. 866 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:54.840 It was a classic example of like there were elements 867 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:56.000 they both wanted to keep. 868 00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.199 They were both kind of like they both were. 869 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.320 Like, let's just buy a tree from the boys else, 870 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:03.000 and they wouldn't do it because they had put on 871 00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.480 this rigid expectation on themselves. And honestly, reading it, I 872 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.800 was like, it's good to remember that you can just 873 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:10.320 do the. 874 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.199 Things you want to do as an adult. Like you 875 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.440 can be like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna go. 876 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:21.400 Vegetarian this year, and then your husband Okay, maybe this 877 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:24.440 is a personal story. Your husband makes a really great 878 00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.280 look at steak on the grill and you're like, you 879 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:27.360 know what, I'm gonna have. 880 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.760 This one steak. I can go back to the oditarian. 881 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.400 Yeah. It's also because it's like I don't. 882 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.400 I mean, hey, holler and the comments and stuff, but 883 00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:43.480 it's like these cats have a fireplace, and like I 884 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.079 feel like the person who hates the most Christmas ever 885 00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:50.519 would still enjoy a Christmas tree by the fire. 886 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.599 Right that it's like and you, I guess they're buying 887 00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:55.960 a Christmas tree, but they could at least, like there's 888 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:58.440 stuff if it was all about money, there are things 889 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.679 that he could have done. You gonna play Christmas music 890 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:02.760 at the very fucking least, you know what I mean, 891 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:04.760 Like they're free things you can do. If it was. 892 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.079 Really say Merry Christmas to people. 893 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.519 The thing of all it was, it was like, yeah, 894 00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.079 it was just like you don't you can say we're 895 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.400 gonna save money this year, we're not getting each other presents, 896 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.119 but you can still like do some other I don't know. 897 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.800 I'm also so glad you mentioned the fireplace, Jonathan, because 898 00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:24.800 at the end of the book, they have four hours 899 00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:28.440 to get ready for Claire's homecoming, and so, as Sabrina said, 900 00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.400 it's like four hours to like get her at the airport, 901 00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.719 make dinner, invite fifty people to a holiday gathering, clean 902 00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.400 the house, put up decorations, and in the midst of 903 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.239 all this in the book, they had them like light 904 00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.239 a fire and they were sitting by the fire as 905 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.039 they like prepared for Blair to come home. 906 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.960 And I was just like that alone. 907 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.280 I am someone who grew up in a house with 908 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:51.519 like a wood burning fire. 909 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.519 The lighting of the fire alone thirty minutes. 910 00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:58.159 Yeah, you have to take care of it. You have 911 00:43:58.159 --> 00:43:59.360 to provide for this. 912 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:04.039 Thing, to get the wood, you have to get the newspaper. 913 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.800 Like it's like such a task. It was just so funny. 914 00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.639 That was this flipped thing that was thrown. 915 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.360 Into the very end. It was like they sat down 916 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:17.159 inside next to the lit fireplace, ating fires indoors. 917 00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.039 There's snow here, so yeah, I guess it's colder. I 918 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:23.920 don't know where this took place. Where the same place. 919 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.079 I don't think they ever said it was like generic 920 00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:29.960 town that gets not as much as Connecticut does. 921 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.400 Yeah, I didn't think that it was quite like Chicago 922 00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.360 or Minnesota or New York, Illinois. 923 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.639 Maybe yeah, it felt maybe New York like a suburb though, 924 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.920 because street had the Christmas decorations. 925 00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.159 Their street was frosty. 926 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.639 So obsessed. I've never heard of that. Is that a thing? Sorry? 927 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:50.880 It's like each I mean, I mean, I'm assuming it 928 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.679 must be, but I've just never seen that where it's 929 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.800 like we as the street are doing the same exact decoration. 930 00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:56.880 I've never heard of that. 931 00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.360 So I haven't heard of that. 932 00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.119 But I did read a book in the third grade 933 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.360 called The Big Orange Spot, and it felt very similar 934 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.599 to that, and the whole idea was that every house 935 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.639 in the street always looked exactly the same. But then 936 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.800 there was this one guy who painted a big orange 937 00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:18.440 spot on his house, and everyone in the neighborhood one 938 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.360 by one went to convince him to eliminate the big 939 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.679 orange spot, and one by one they all realized, Wow, 940 00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.159 we could make our house cool and whatever we want. 941 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.960 And at the end, the house has really cool the 942 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:36.679 street has really cool houses. So that's my exposure to 943 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:38.199 everyone having. 944 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.000 I do know that, like I do know that, like 945 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:42.719 you know, when I've gone to like my parents' house 946 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.159 or the holidays and like the Poconos, Pennsylvania, like there 947 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:51.360 you do see like people there are like competitions and stuff, 948 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:55.119 and like, you know, you could be an Internet sensation 949 00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.159 if you have like your your lights that are like 950 00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.119 you know, in the rhythm or like you know, in 951 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.199 sync with. 952 00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:05.119 Like music that plays from speak speakers or something. 953 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.440 Yeah, and they do them sometimes through like radios, So yeah, 954 00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:09.239 yeah you can. 955 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.920 Put so they do. I know, actually you l I 956 00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:14.199 should say that there's like candy cane Lane, there's like, 957 00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.480 I know a few places that you like drive through 958 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.719 and there's they. I guess there are areas that do lights. 959 00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.159 I guess I just didn't know about this like competition 960 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.719 part of it. But I guess there would be a competition. 961 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:26.960 I guess that makes sense that there'd be a competition 962 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.280 I just as a kid. I didn't ever experience as 963 00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.719 a kid. I guess it seems like a lot of 964 00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:35.440 pressure that I wouldn't be able to live up to. 965 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.000 I hope nobody ever asked me to decorate my house or. 966 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:43.400 I do feel like having like, essentially the same decorations 967 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:50.119 is less attractive than a cohesive theme among all of them. 968 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:57.840 Everyone having a prosty on top of your roof, you'd plus, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 969 00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:58.880 it is a little bit. 970 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.280 It's not classy, No, I don't think, but the candy 971 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:02.920 kne Lane sounded classy. 972 00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:03.880 I vote, that's what I say. 973 00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:07.119 Kendy lay Wonder, But It's. 974 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.519 One of those things too, where it's like I kept on, 975 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.880 I'm sure we'll get into it, but like they racially 976 00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.800 and like ethnically and culturally. This book was really interesting 977 00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.719 because it's like, yeah, it's like they did mention the 978 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.719 one house that like doesn't participate because they're like Pakistani 979 00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.440 or something. And then it's like, yeah, it's like one 980 00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:26.440 of those things where it's like, also, you know when 981 00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.679 your kids are are like move out or like it 982 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.719 changes the whole Christmas vibe and like I saw it 983 00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:35.440 with my parents, it's just like it degraded, degraded. It 984 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.480 sounds like a negative word, but just like more and 985 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.039 more over the years, just like less and less like life. 986 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.800 They were doing it for the kids. Yeah that makes sense. 987 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.840 Yeah, once they're gone and it's like, are you gonna 988 00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.760 like and yeah, he's an older dude and like having 989 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:49.400 to do all this stuff by himself or whatever. It 990 00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.199 is just like it's a lot of it's like not 991 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.280 easy nor super safe to like put all these things 992 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:55.239 up totally. 993 00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:57.119 And this also died many times. 994 00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:59.400 One of my biggest issues with the book, which is like, 995 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.960 so there's another family on the street. There's forty two 996 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.159 houses on the street, and there's another family on the street, 997 00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:09.079 the Sheen family, I think, and basically the sel the 998 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.039 shield and the woman in the family is like dying 999 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:18.199 of cancer, we find out, which is always a tough thing. 1000 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:20.199 To incorporate into a book out of nowhere. 1001 00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.400 Hey, but you got it. You got it at some point. 1002 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:26.199 But they did put their decorations up this year, right, 1003 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:27.679 I'm right right, they didn't have. 1004 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.800 That, they had it. They hadn't the when she went 1005 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.079 through the first battle cancer. 1006 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:35.119 Okay, but they hadn't been Maybe they had somebody else help. 1007 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:36.800 I can't remember this time. 1008 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:41.199 Go ahead, sorry, So they hadn't that time. Then this 1009 00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.239 time around they did. And I think they were like 1010 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:48.840 because of his beef with Luther, it made him, the husband, 1011 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.039 go even extra with what they don't usually do. 1012 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.880 Got ya got yeah? Okay, alrighty. 1013 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:58.480 I think like one of my issues with the book 1014 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.800 was like at the end of the book, basically the 1015 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.400 whole neighborhood comes together to help them throw this party, 1016 00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.599 and the whole time, I'm just like, what about this 1017 00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:10.280 other family. It's like going through this horrible crisis and 1018 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:10.920 they Blair. 1019 00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.039 They're no Blair, They're no Blair. 1020 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:16.440 It was just sort of a funny, like not not funny, 1021 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.400 but it was just this open ended thing for me 1022 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:20.760 of just like what about the Shields? 1023 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:23.000 We do. 1024 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:27.000 Up with them in the end, but I was worried 1025 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:28.239 about them the whole book. 1026 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:29.840 I just want to say. I was like, is there 1027 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:32.639 any community spirit for the Shields plead? 1028 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.800 But Jonathan bringing up the Pakistani family, it was like 1029 00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.079 something that because they kept asking like, how are you 1030 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:41.639 not celebrating Christmas? It's like, well, anybody, like a lot 1031 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:43.840 of people don't even celebrate Christmas. I was like, I 1032 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:46.480 guess they don't even heard of like Jewish people, they 1033 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:47.920 haven't heard of it. Like I don't know. It's just 1034 00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.920 like there's really no one except for this one. And 1035 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:53.920 then it's like how do you treat them? Like they 1036 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.599 must be so other like if this is how you're acting, 1037 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.519 I don't know, they must be so othering. 1038 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.400 I know what I'm like too, where it's just like 1039 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:04.800 I didn't I go there's some seasons where like I 1040 00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:08.119 don't have children, Like there's sometimes where like you don't 1041 00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:10.440 feel it as much, you know, and like you don't 1042 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.760 go all out with this one thing or you don't 1043 00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.159 whatever the season is whether it's like Halloween or whatever. 1044 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.440 And so to be like I have to answer for 1045 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.239 a why I don't feel like participating this way with 1046 00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.239 this is like absurd. 1047 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.719 Yeah, in wild it made me think, like the whole 1048 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.039 neighborhood is evil. 1049 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.599 Like all these poms, they all felt able people well 1050 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.039 like I feel like you at the first place. 1051 00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:37.159 None of them have any depth I mean as characters 1052 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.760 at all. So if it's like funny, it's like a 1053 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.239 it's like a neighborhood of villains that don't have. 1054 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:44.280 A good motivation. 1055 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.599 I mean, even like the cranks, like lying to their 1056 00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.519 daughter and like treating her like she's not even a 1057 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:51.119 human being. 1058 00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.920 It's okay. I understood that a little bit more that 1059 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.159 they were like, let's not we don't want to make 1060 00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:58.599 her feel bad like I just they said that, and 1061 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:01.559 I was like, I know that type of person like that, 1062 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.599 they would just take everything super personally, like I ruined, 1063 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.000 you're not going on that vacation for me? 1064 00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:08.280 I could you? 1065 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:10.480 And it's like I get keeping that from her. 1066 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.039 I have to compliment John grisham To on the detail 1067 00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.599 of she's coming home suddenly unexpectedly to celebrate Christmas and 1068 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.519 not alone she's coming with her fiance and Rique, because 1069 00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.000 at first I was just like, so have cleric come 1070 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.239 on the cruise or like yeah, and then this moment 1071 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:28.239 where it's like and she's bringing her Peruvian fiance. 1072 00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:28.880 Who's never. 1073 00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.519 Christmas Christmas, he's never seen Snow You're just like, okay, 1074 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.639 all right, that's so good writing. As far as I'm concerned, 1075 00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.960 I see why frantic, like we got to fix this? 1076 00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.199 Is it fine if we're jumping around like Timeline ones? 1077 00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:45.840 Totally? 1078 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.599 Oh yeah, I don't think this book is complicated enough 1079 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:49.599 that we need to. 1080 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:53.760 Know about Okay, because now that like the now that 1081 00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.719 and do you guys come up like for real? It 1082 00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:01.000 was wild because like all right, so they they're like 1083 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.400 everybody's like rushing to make this party happen for Blair. 1084 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.039 So the parents can't go pick her up at the airport, 1085 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.639 so they have the police go and pick them up there. 1086 00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.639 And and then when something that really bothered me was 1087 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.679 that like when it got into the head like it 1088 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.960 or the the perspective of the writer got into the 1089 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:24.480 head of Enrique when he got off the plane and 1090 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.440 saw that the cops were taking them home, and and 1091 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.719 the and it said like quote like as a South American. 1092 00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:34.679 Is what it said, like in the in the book, 1093 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:38.719 that he didn't feel super comfortable going you know, going 1094 00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:40.719 into like cop car like or in this in the 1095 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.199 United States or like in a new foreign country or whatever. 1096 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.519 And I'm like, okay, cool, However, this guy's a fucking 1097 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.960 medical doctor. 1098 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.559 Yeah yeah, and like he doesn't. 1099 00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:54.760 And so that means like whether wherever he got his education, 1100 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.679 whether I mean later on they said it was in London, 1101 00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:57.639 but if it wasn't, yeah, you. 1102 00:52:57.559 --> 00:52:58.920 Know, I feel like they were trying to be like 1103 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.960 he's like an anglifier. Though he's an anglifier, oh for sure. 1104 00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:04.400 And even before they really dug into that where it's 1105 00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:05.960 like all you knew what he was, that he was 1106 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:08.519 a doctor, and so like he's automatically going to like 1107 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.519 look at the world very differently and for them to 1108 00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:14.559 still make him try to seem like a third class 1109 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:16.559 citizen or someone from the third world or whatever, it's like, 1110 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.039 but he's a doctor, so he's not going to be 1111 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.719 like and he's married or he's going to marry this person. 1112 00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.920 So it'd be like, hey, is this normal. 1113 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.199 She's like no, It's like okay, so we're just gonna 1114 00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:26.840 get into this car because that's what's happened. But he's 1115 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.679 not gonna be afraid of doing this because why would 1116 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:33.159 he like his he's not a peasant or something that's like. 1117 00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.559 Yeah, yeah, that's like I'm gonna get i'm doing this, 1118 00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:37.920 I'm illegal in this country or you know, I don't know. 1119 00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.559 Also, highly educated man that's like studied abroad in London. 1120 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.679 It's like he's if he has a question about something, 1121 00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:45.679 he's probably just gonna ask it and be like. 1122 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:46.920 Yeah, Like he's not. 1123 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.320 Just gonna be like and then the police won't say anything, 1124 00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:50.920 right Yeah. 1125 00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.360 Also his name was like the police had a sign 1126 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.480 that said their name, so it's not like they're just 1127 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:57.400 waltzing into some the back of a cop car. Like 1128 00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:58.280 it that makes makes sense. 1129 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:00.400 I do think it would have been a more fun 1130 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.000 touch if it had been a fire truck. 1131 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:02.719 That's just me. 1132 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.480 I think that would have been cute and fun. Since 1133 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:11.119 we're also talking about the reception of Enrique. Also we 1134 00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:14.000 already know that Luther is raised. The whole town is 1135 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.400 racist because they like can't accept that like someone would 1136 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:21.000 celebrate Christmas. But there's also that awful moment where they 1137 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:24.639 see Enrique, and I think the line is Luthor goes uh. 1138 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.239 He looked at his looked at his skin color. 1139 00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:29.639 He wasn't nearly as dark as he. It was like 1140 00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.199 he wasn't dark at all. That's what it was. 1141 00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:33.320 He wasn't. 1142 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.280 Lighter than Luthor. 1143 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.760 I had been channing for months at a time and 1144 00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:43.119 his Mediterranean skin really, yeah, it was. 1145 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:45.920 It was fucked up. I'm saying. It was like, oh, 1146 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.159 it's in regue. But like we're gonna also go to 1147 00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:52.360 lengths to tell you like he's yeah, he's he's you know, 1148 00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:57.400 he's not white, but like you know, skin's so light, yeah, lighter. 1149 00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.840 Feel comfor you guys, can all feel comfortab That's one of. 1150 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:05.760 My questions was like is the racism authorial or is 1151 00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.400 it a commentary on Luther as a person, because I do. 1152 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:11.480 Think sounds like a John Grisham apologist. 1153 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.000 No, but I think to a big degree, like the 1154 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:18.079 whole book is a critique on all of these people, 1155 00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.400 Like he's not trying to make any of these people 1156 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:24.199 look like good people. He's not necessarily trying to make 1157 00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.880 them look like bad people, although they are. They're like 1158 00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:30.559 it's about Christmas and they're just trying to like sell 1159 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:33.360 their fruitcakes and stuff. But everyone is like so selfish 1160 00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:36.400 and so out of touch, and I do think that 1161 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:37.760 that is on purpose. 1162 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.280 That's why the thing with Enrika did it makes sense 1163 00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:43.960 to me when it's like from his perspective, why would 1164 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:49.039 he be otherizing himself when he's like a highly educated. 1165 00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:52.760 Person of it's that's almost like too, like he was 1166 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.400 being too liberal or like he was like trying to 1167 00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.119 be like, well, have you ever thought about how a 1168 00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.800 police make someone from South America feel like? 1169 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:03.719 I don't, Like he was like, sir, I'm a doctor, 1170 00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:08.079 you exactly. And then also but it was funny too 1171 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:09.960 with like the skin tone thing. I was like, I 1172 00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:11.519 couldn't the way he had written. 1173 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:14.719 I couldn't understand if he was saying, like like when 1174 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.159 Luther was like, oh, he's not him and the wife 1175 00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:18.679 were like, he's not dark at all, and then in 1176 00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:20.360 his head he was like, in fact, he's like two 1177 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.159 shades lighter. I was like, I couldn't tell if they 1178 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.400 meant that it was good or bad, Like I didn't 1179 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:26.239 understand what they I felt like. 1180 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:27.960 At first, I didn't know if I thought he was 1181 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:31.280 like thought that they were worried that they would they 1182 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.480 were like darkening their skin and be like offensive, like 1183 00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:35.920 they were doing like blackface or something that was confused. 1184 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.960 I just had the joke, but I don't think that 1185 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:39.559 was it. 1186 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.079 I think it was like just yeah, I felt like 1187 00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.119 it was like I took it from the dark and 1188 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.239 he wasn't as dark as we were because we've been 1189 00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:47.920 the tanning BDS. 1190 00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:53.519 I felt I took it as they like were racist. 1191 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:57.440 Yeah, you have a South American fiance and. 1192 00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.079 They're like have this vision of a darker person in 1193 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.239 their head. It felt like the like I don't know 1194 00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.960 if this was real, but when the news was reporting that, 1195 00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.840 like the Queen or somebody had asked how dark people 1196 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:15.119 thought the baby with Megan Markle and her husband Harry 1197 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:15.920 would be? 1198 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.760 Is it Harry? I don't know Markle is the important 1199 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:21.679 and beautiful. 1200 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:37.960 I thought it was Prince Charles, by the way, not 1201 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:38.719 the Queen. 1202 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:41.320 I think it's the queen or somebody. 1203 00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:43.239 I don't know, but that's how I took it, is 1204 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:45.480 that they were like, how dark do we think this 1205 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.239 baby's going to be? They were like, how dark do 1206 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:48.239 we think in Riguez. 1207 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:50.039 That's how I took it as well. 1208 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:53.039 But now that you're saying, was it the authorial voice 1209 00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.039 or was it the character Serena. That's interesting, and I 1210 00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:56.519 think one thing that makes it hard for me is 1211 00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.639 that was written in two thousand and one, So some 1212 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.159 of this stuff I was like, I guess that's just 1213 00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:05.480 how the author and people and the character thought. And 1214 00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:09.800 another example for me that stood out was he agreed 1215 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.000 to do something. Oh, he was like, and then I'll 1216 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:16.800 I'll clean. Oh, he agreed to take care of the 1217 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:19.039 cat for a family across the street at the end 1218 00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.960 of the book. And he's like, oh, I'll take care 1219 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.239 of the cat, said Luther, knowing perfectly well. 1220 00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:26.400 His wife would take on the chore. And I was 1221 00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:28.119 just like, oh, what a dick? 1222 00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:30.000 Yeah, what did so? 1223 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:33.079 But again I'm like, but is it is he supposed 1224 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:35.719 to be a dick or is this just like, of 1225 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.679 course in two thousand and one the wife would take 1226 00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:39.400 on the chorea. 1227 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.840 Right, well, they were well they also were just like So. 1228 00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.000 This is something I think about a lot with like 1229 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.599 any kind of like family dynamic, especially like sitcoms, even 1230 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.239 to the state which Tim Allen is in many of 1231 00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.639 these of just like it's just like they're so nasty 1232 00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:58.760 to each other, yes, you know, and like uh, and 1233 00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.039 even when things were like end of fine, it just 1234 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:03.360 like they didn't. It was like almost surprising when they 1235 00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:04.480 were like dancing around. 1236 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:07.960 The like the one sweet moment to try to make it. 1237 00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:09.280 Almost felt like it was out of characters. 1238 00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.480 I was like, at some point it was just like, 1239 00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.239 you haven't done shown anything else that they like kind 1240 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.760 of like each other and so so it was just 1241 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.039 weird to be like, Okay, here's a sweet moment, but 1242 00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:21.880 I'm like, you haven't had any other sweet moments like 1243 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:22.679 that even a little bit. 1244 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:24.719 Yeah, well, I guess I relate to that. 1245 00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:30.199 No, it was over the top sad depiction of like 1246 00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.559 what a marriage could become, like what a failed marriage 1247 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:34.800 could become. 1248 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.559 To lay the trap of like convincing her to do 1249 00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.800 the cruise and stuff, I couldn't just be like, hey, 1250 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.159 this is where we're at, like like we do it 1251 00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:45.960 for the kid. The kid has gone what do you 1252 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:47.519 think it was funny? 1253 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:49.840 He's going to play the music and everything. Yeah. Yeah. 1254 00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:56.159 Also I looked I did the right I did the 1255 00:59:56.199 --> 01:00:00.360 inflation rate and in today's dollars, the sixty the six 1256 01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:03.400 dollars that they spent on Christmas in what would have 1257 01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:06.559 been two thousands, I guess yeah, in today's money would 1258 01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:08.800 be eleven and twenty seven dollars. 1259 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:11.000 I'm great to look at what we would spend we 1260 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:13.400 spent on Christmas. But I also felt from this book 1261 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:15.519 that I was like, oh, I don't do nearly enough 1262 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.719 charity or whatever, Like I don't buy from the boy Scouts, 1263 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.639 you know what I mean. Or I don't buy well, 1264 01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:24.159 I don't know if I want to buy, like the 1265 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:28.599 police calendar, but you know what I mean. Like, I'm like, oh, 1266 01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.079 I supposed to like I know, the like you know, 1267 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:36.519 giving people the gardener, the trash, like giving people tips 1268 01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.480 and bonuses. But I was like, am I supposed to 1269 01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:40.320 be doing all this stuff? Fuck me, I haven't been 1270 01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:43.039 doing all this? Yeah, good question. 1271 01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:46.039 The thing too with the sorry were gonna say some 1272 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:47.480 na it. 1273 01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:48.480 Was gonna be so dumb. 1274 01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:51.719 I was just gonna say, inspired by this, Like I 1275 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:56.039 rent in my apartment and they every time there's maintenance, 1276 01:00:56.320 --> 01:01:00.920 we had maintenance today, every time there's maintenance, I'm like, 1277 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:03.280 I don't pay these people, so like the people who 1278 01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:04.480 pay them should tip them. 1279 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.079 And then I started to think, like, oh my god, 1280 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:08.079 is that totally wrong? 1281 01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.760 And then I was thinking about this one guy who 1282 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.440 comes all the time and he's just so great and 1283 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:14.519 he like fixes everything. 1284 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:16.199 And again I'm like. 1285 01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:20.519 It's a battle because maybe things he's not responsible for 1286 01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:21.559 things needing to be fixed. 1287 01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:23.719 That's my building's problem. 1288 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.320 But then, inspired by the spirit of Christmas, we we 1289 01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:30.920 gave him a tip today as though it were like 1290 01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:33.920 an end of your tip, because we never do. 1291 01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:35.679 You don't know if it would be the end of 1292 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:37.920 the year. You don't know if he's coming back. Yeah, 1293 01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:39.360 I have the same thing for the right I'm like, 1294 01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:41.639 are they tippy? I give a tip, But I'm like, 1295 01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:42.679 is this a double tip? 1296 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:43.280 Whatever? 1297 01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.039 I guess that's fine. I guess I shouldn't double. I 1298 01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:48.119 shouldn't think about that. Yeah, but I don't know. 1299 01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:49.800 I don't know the protocol all the time. 1300 01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.199 But he should, you know, Luther Crank should you know? 1301 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.199 But like, I've always been sensitive about like cop stuff 1302 01:01:57.199 --> 01:02:00.559 in general as a as a black man's a yeah, well, 1303 01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.239 I guess you said that in the beginning after Latino, 1304 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.400 But like, uh, it's really. 1305 01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:08.519 Interesting to see how like the like when they like the. 1306 01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.559 Fun and games that they have, when like Luther gets 1307 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:13.119 arrested by the cops, and it's like a misunderstanding because 1308 01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.719 it was like he's the he's burglarizing the. 1309 01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:17.320 Yeah, but he had the keys. 1310 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:19.039 Yeah yeah, yeah, but he had the keys, which he 1311 01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:19.960 just forgets to say. 1312 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:21.599 And I was like, I wonder how much of this 1313 01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:23.719 is just like a privileged thing to be like I 1314 01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:25.719 don't even need to talk about the evidence I have 1315 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:28.800 because I shouldn't even be in the situation like yeah 1316 01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:31.519 yeah yeah, whereas immediately be like, I have the keys. 1317 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:32.639 The guy called the guy call the. 1318 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:36.239 Guy yeah yeah yeah yeah. Such a different, such a 1319 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:37.159 different interaction. 1320 01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.960 Yeah, this was if this couple, the couple was like 1321 01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:43.880 if they were the Pakistani couple and or they were. 1322 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.800 Like uh oh yeah, they would they would be because 1323 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:50.119 you knew the cop also didn't really think he was burglarizing, 1324 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.679 like he was just fucking with him, Whereas yeah, it 1325 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:56.239 would be a completely different like no, I really yeah. 1326 01:02:56.360 --> 01:03:00.000 Also the whole the whole book would be like the 1327 01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.800 they would be otherwise so quickly We're just like, this 1328 01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:04.679 is yet another thing that they're trying to like not 1329 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:05.800 be like us with. 1330 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.880 Ye yeah, and they were, they would not make the 1331 01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:12.760 skipping Christmas decision like like that like it would be no, 1332 01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:13.280 they would. 1333 01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:15.320 Be like they're like, yo, for the path of least resistance. 1334 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:16.400 It's like we still have to put. 1335 01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:22.639 The frost Yeah, exactly, the frosty, like we do these things. 1336 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.440 Yeah, well, the. 1337 01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:29.239 Cruise leaves on Christmas. I mean I get that the 1338 01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:29.920 whole point. 1339 01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:35.119 Look, it is the commercialization of Christmas, blah blah blah. 1340 01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.960 But like it's not like you're missing the whole season, 1341 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.079 right exactly, Like. 1342 01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:44.880 The day you're leaving is when all the stuff is done, 1343 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:46.239 right exactly. 1344 01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:50.679 Yeah, true, it. 1345 01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:52.320 Just made it was just so they could give it 1346 01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:55.159 to someone else at the end. But I I agree 1347 01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:57.480 because I was like, there's absolutely no reason why I 1348 01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:59.679 can't do both. But then I'm like, Okay, the money 1349 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:01.920 save part I get. But then it was like it 1350 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.280 didn't even make sense because just like you pointed out 1351 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:07.320 in the summers, Abrena, like often he'd be like, oh, 1352 01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:10.719 police officer, I'll buy all of your I'll date it, 1353 01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:14.440 donate money to buy your like baseball uniforms for the 1354 01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:15.840 orphans or I don't even remember. 1355 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:17.039 But it was like, so you're not. 1356 01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:20.159 You're all like you're an accountant, you're trying to save money. 1357 01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:21.800 But like, that's not saving money. Why don't you just 1358 01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:24.400 buy the fucking thing and don't say you're gonna buy them? 1359 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:25.079 Yeah you. 1360 01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:26.199 I thought. 1361 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:32.800 He was promising a lot of later spending and I 1362 01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.760 really thought that that was going to be wrapped up 1363 01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:39.480 and like, uh, that was gonna be a point that 1364 01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:42.320 was made. It was like, Oh, I ended up spending 1365 01:04:43.039 --> 01:04:45.119 just as much money on Christmas this year because we 1366 01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:48.159 bought the cruise. I promised to spend three hundred dollars 1367 01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:49.800 in the Boy Scouts in the summer. 1368 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:50.920 Blah blah blah. 1369 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:53.639 And I mean maybe I missed it in the three 1370 01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:55.440 and two time speed that I was listening, but I 1371 01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.360 feel like they never did circle back to that. But 1372 01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.320 maybe maybe John Gersham was just like, my readers are 1373 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:02.320 smart and they'll get it. 1374 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:04.840 I also felt like he could have gone they could 1375 01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:07.039 have gotten something other than smoked her out. I didn't 1376 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:07.519 believe it. 1377 01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:10.559 Well, that's the thing, that's what this was. Was really 1378 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.559 funny about this or interesting about this book. And it's 1379 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:17.920 actually I'm gonna give John Grisham his flowers right now. 1380 01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:21.199 Even when I was just like, oh, I hate this, 1381 01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:23.079 I hate this book, I hate this prime, I hate 1382 01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:25.639 like how annoying these people are They're so nasty each other, 1383 01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:28.639 like everything about it, Like it just feels like, you know, 1384 01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:31.000 the neighbors are so nasty and all this stuff. But 1385 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:34.559 then like Grisham is a good writer, Like he's gonna 1386 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:37.440 make solid observations and he's gonna have solid like turns 1387 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:40.079 of phrases which I forgot until they would happen, and 1388 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:41.599 I'm like, oh, yeah, there's actually this is a really 1389 01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.679 funny line or like you know, thinking about how it's 1390 01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:48.599 like I actually laughed out loud when like he goes 1391 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:51.440 when Luther goes through the house to with Spike, the 1392 01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:55.400 one the neighborhood kid, to take the tree, and he's like, 1393 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:57.639 don't break anything, and immediately he breaks the first thing. 1394 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:01.760 To be like don't break anything. I was like, that's 1395 01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.280 that's funny. So it's like interesting to have like those things. 1396 01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:10.440 Where it's like it's a worse this is the simplest 1397 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:12.320 statement of the year, but like a worst writer would 1398 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:13.280 have made a worst book. 1399 01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:15.159 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 1400 01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:16.679 I had the true. 1401 01:06:16.519 --> 01:06:19.880 Exact same experience as you, Jonathan. I was like, I 1402 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.480 hate this, hate the characters. I hope my life is 1403 01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:26.239 never like this. God Damn, that's a good choice for 1404 01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:26.800 the book. 1405 01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:32.159 Like everything was like textbook the right move to make 1406 01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:33.079 as an author. 1407 01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:36.239 You're just like, yeah, all right, plot wise, yeah I 1408 01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:37.159 could see why. 1409 01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:39.840 Well that would make a fun movie, huh. 1410 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.039 Like you agree, but I do. I did think the opening, 1411 01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:46.159 like the until like the third act where everything happened. 1412 01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:48.920 I did find it like slow and like I feel 1413 01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:51.320 like I could have I thought he was really trying 1414 01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:55.920 to like spread that out. Please talk about the dieting 1415 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.960 and the tanning. I mean, I'm not going to criticize 1416 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:00.920 youngers from too much for that because I honestly think 1417 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.480 it is a reflection of the time. Like two thousand 1418 01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:06.519 and one, did you guys know, like you know tanning, 1419 01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:07.880 but did you guys do tanning? Bets? 1420 01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:10.599 I did, and it's oh yeah, he's insane. Like the 1421 01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:13.800 seventh grade before. 1422 01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:15.119 We went on the vacation, we did it. 1423 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.280 Tanned for prom and spring break. 1424 01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:23.320 I just as before vacation so you didn't get burned, 1425 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:24.480 which was. 1426 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:25.880 It was like its like you're going to prom, like 1427 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:28.440 you're going you've been in winter all day or all 1428 01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:31.440 season long, the in Pennsylvania, Like why are you getting 1429 01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:32.400 tanned for your dress? 1430 01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:34.480 Yes, it's like you kidding. 1431 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.480 We never did spray tans. It was always the tanning bed. 1432 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:38.960 I didn't even know boy. 1433 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:41.400 But the funny thing is, I actually that was one 1434 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.400 thing I took issue with the veritas of the book. 1435 01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:48.320 I was like, tanning beds are fucking awesome, and the 1436 01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:50.559 only reason I don't do them is for skin cancer. 1437 01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:54.639 But like the way they described them was like they're sweaty, 1438 01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:56.280 you have to clean them with a windows. You just 1439 01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:59.679 have to get it done. It's like that twenty minutes 1440 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:06.920 that bed was heaven on. Yeah, it was chemicals in 1441 01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.079 your in your brain. 1442 01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:10.679 It's smelled coconuts so good. 1443 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:13.679 You know, I thought your. 1444 01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.720 Skin, your skin get turned up if you're like maybe 1445 01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:18.520 if you're like fourteen, you have some macnie. 1446 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:20.119 That's hilarious. 1447 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:22.920 But also it's funny that she talked. He talked to 1448 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:25.880 the I was surprised this curmudgeally old man was doing 1449 01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:28.760 it because it was like he even asked about skin 1450 01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.159 cancer and the woman was like, no, and it's in 1451 01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.720 my head. I'm like, no, it definitely is. You're definitely cancing, 1452 01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.000 Like it's definitely like not. But he was like it was. 1453 01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:41.279 It was hard to imagine an old man doing that, 1454 01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:43.880 Like my my dad would never choose to go to 1455 01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:45.000 a tandy bed, do you know what I mean? 1456 01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:47.880 So I wonder imagining that character doing it. 1457 01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:49.520 I wonder how much of it was because of like 1458 01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:53.199 like accountants are so logical that it's like I feel 1459 01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:55.039 like he can maybe done because it's like, no, this 1460 01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:58.439 is the thing that I should do practical or practicality wise. 1461 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.000 But I agree with you. I was, but then he 1462 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:03.199 would be he's more man than he has accountant. 1463 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:06.279 Yeah. 1464 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:10.439 But like also when he was describing their dinners, they'd 1465 01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:13.119 be like boiled chicken and cottage cheese. 1466 01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:13.840 Oh. 1467 01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:17.720 I was just I was laughing so hard because like 1468 01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:22.720 you love cottage fats, I do. I love cottage cheese 1469 01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:27.359 because my algorithm fed it to me as being like, 1470 01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:32.000 this is the health answer to all of your problems, 1471 01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:35.920 cottage cheese, and so then I was like, yeah, I'll 1472 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.399 have cottage cheese all the time. And then seeing it 1473 01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:41.479 in this book, I was like, oh my god, I 1474 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:45.520 forgot that that was a fad in the nineties too, 1475 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:47.439 and now it's back at it. 1476 01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:49.399 I need to tell used to read it. Your memory 1477 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:49.880 was wrong. 1478 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:52.119 Also, it wasn't chicken and cottage cheese, which would have 1479 01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.600 made sense. It was plain pasta noodles and cottage cheese. 1480 01:09:55.960 --> 01:09:58.560 And I was just like, the pasta is the problem? 1481 01:09:58.640 --> 01:09:59.720 Really? Did we not know that? 1482 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:00.760 Two thousand and. 1483 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:06.319 Yeah, there's protein pasta. Maybe maybe that's now that's. 1484 01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:08.319 Something else, something else I had That was a friction 1485 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:11.279 point for me was at the was that the travel 1486 01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:14.239 agent's female travel agent's name was Biff. 1487 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:16.880 Yeah, I remember that. 1488 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:18.560 I didn't notice. 1489 01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:19.520 Ridiculous. 1490 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.279 I was like, how could that possibly be? There's two 1491 01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:23.439 very famous Biffs. 1492 01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:25.399 One is Biff Tanner from Back to the Future and 1493 01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:28.520 then also Biff and uh that's the that's of a salesman. 1494 01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:31.880 And it's like hilarious that there's just like this woman 1495 01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:33.760 travel agent named Biff. 1496 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:36.119 Is like, I can't believe this. I will not believe this. 1497 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:37.239 I won't believe this character. 1498 01:10:37.399 --> 01:10:39.840 Yes, that's a very that's a good one. 1499 01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:43.479 She was just I love that, And is John Grisham hilarious? 1500 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:45.760 Is that? 1501 01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:48.439 One of the sweet moments in the book too, was 1502 01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:50.680 when like a bunch of bullshit was happening in uh 1503 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:53.880 Wild and Back or whatever the accountant firm was called, 1504 01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:55.960 and then he was just like having a glass. 1505 01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:57.359 Of wine with Biff down on the first floor. 1506 01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:57.319 Of the. 1507 01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:00.920 Wait wasn't no dialogue. 1508 01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:08.319 There was another secretary called docs Dogs Yeah dogs yeahary names. 1509 01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:10.800 Also, so a lot of mall work because you know, 1510 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.760 like the Tanning slum was in the mall, no reason 1511 01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:15.119 to keep going to the mall. 1512 01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:16.279 And seeing everyone at the mall. 1513 01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:17.840 Damn, I loved malls. 1514 01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:18.960 Well me too. 1515 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:20.239 It's the same. 1516 01:11:20.439 --> 01:11:22.039 And it's one of those things too where it's like 1517 01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:25.960 in when we mentioned the smoke trout, it's funny to 1518 01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.479 me because it's like they were going to great lengths 1519 01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.439 to try to make it the best like facsimile of 1520 01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:35.640 like a regular Christmas Eve dinner, but the smoke trout 1521 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.199 is not regular Christmas Eve dinner. But I guess it's 1522 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.159 more regular than it would be had to gone to 1523 01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.439 like a Chinese food place, right, because that would have 1524 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.800 been like way more ringing alarm bells than like the trowel, 1525 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:49.439 which is hilarious. 1526 01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:53.079 And actually, to be honest, when I heard smoke trout, 1527 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:57.079 I was like, yes, oh my god, what a wonderful 1528 01:11:57.119 --> 01:11:58.479 addition to the Christmas. 1529 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.319 I couldn't imagine it. I don't think it's anything ever. 1530 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:00.960 I think gets home. 1531 01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:04.199 Hey, try the smoke. Try this the canned smoke trout 1532 01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:05.880 from Trader Joe's. It's unbelievable. 1533 01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:07.560 All right, all right, I'll try it. 1534 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:09.079 I'll get in there, I'll try it. 1535 01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:13.399 I believe that unbelievable accurately describes how I'd feel, but 1536 01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:15.960 I can't say in what direction I would not be. 1537 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:18.479 I never tried it, so I guess it's very good. 1538 01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:20.520 But that's what's funny too, where it's just like it's 1539 01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:24.479 interesting to like get to that point of like how 1540 01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:26.920 much are we trying to make it seem like we're 1541 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.880 still having this party all for Blair? But it's like 1542 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.439 you don't have to, Like I feel like it's one 1543 01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:35.239 of those things outside before. It's like I feel like 1544 01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:38.319 if they they could have just been like, hey, uh, 1545 01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:40.800 because you weren't going to be here, we decided to 1546 01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:42.920 like kind of downsize and just be us and if 1547 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.840 you want to, we could just have a cozy Christmas 1548 01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:47.239 like and she wouldn't be like what the fuck like 1549 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:48.239 going whatever. 1550 01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:51.159 That's very true, but like I guess in her call, 1551 01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:53.600 she's like I told him about this, this and this, 1552 01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.560 so excited, but like to me, when she did that 1553 01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:59.239 I was like, why would she assume it's like her 1554 01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:01.560 parents tumb alone that they would do everything the same, 1555 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:04.960 Like it's crazy that she didn't call ahead to be 1556 01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:08.159 like I was. I know, I wasn't going to come 1557 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:10.840 back for Christmas, but looks like we're gonna try it. 1558 01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:12.760 I'm going to try to come just head like it's 1559 01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:14.479 just crazy to me. There was no heads up. 1560 01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:16.840 I would say, I think Blair when she goes back 1561 01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:18.359 to Peru is going to die. 1562 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.640 She just seems like really naive how to navigate the world. 1563 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:26.960 So like, I think this is probably the last like 1564 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:28.840 happy Christmas for this family. 1565 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.119 Why do you think she married a doctor? She's straight? 1566 01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:35.560 Yeah, yeah, but it is funny to think about, like 1567 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:41.039 how like the I did like the choice of Grisham 1568 01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.720 saying or Luther rather being like, why is everybody losing 1569 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:47.439 their mind? She's only been gone for a month. 1570 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:48.880 Yes, that was fun. 1571 01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:52.000 Yeah, there was another fun observation that someone was like, 1572 01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:54.079 oh man, I can't make the party, but god, I 1573 01:13:54.119 --> 01:13:56.640 want to see Blair, like I missed her. And it's 1574 01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:59.079 like he makes the observation of like the man hadn't 1575 01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:03.239 seen Blair years, but sure, yeah, we'll get dinner. 1576 01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:08.439 One of my favorite parts is when Noura invited the 1577 01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:10.600 uh the man grocery store. 1578 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:12.039 What was the deal with that? 1579 01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:15.039 I feel like such a big. 1580 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:17.640 That wasn't a buch of a ba. I just found 1581 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:20.960 it relatable to be like I should know you. You're 1582 01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:23.279 talking to me like we know each other and you 1583 01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:25.840 know Blair and I'm gonna he was like on a 1584 01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:28.960 hemlock and I'm gonna hope that it comes to me, 1585 01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:30.279 but it never came. 1586 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:31.960 Like I relate to that so. 1587 01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:34.960 Much, but at the being like, oh, he's just like 1588 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:36.319 they never knew and he I thought. 1589 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:38.159 I don't think they ever figured it out because then 1590 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:40.319 he was just like hanging out with Enrique. It's just 1591 01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:43.800 like they related to each other because he had some background. 1592 01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:46.279 And worked in Peru and like no Spanish and no 1593 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:48.359 Peruvian folk songs and stuff. 1594 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:50.880 Yeah, I was like, Okay, well, I guess good thing 1595 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:52.520 invited him. But no, I don't think there was like, 1596 01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:54.279 oh we knew that or we knew him. 1597 01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:57.119 I wish I thought that was going to be one 1598 01:14:57.159 --> 01:15:00.279 more big story move because of the way was like, 1599 01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:02.079 so there was so much patting to that was just 1600 01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:04.640 like yeah, yeah, I thought for sure, he's gonna be 1601 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:06.600 somebody who should not have been there because he either 1602 01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:10.560 was like a guy who had previously like ruined Luther's 1603 01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:13.439 career or something like that, or like or that. 1604 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.039 Would have been John, that would have been that would 1605 01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:16.880 been so good. 1606 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:19.039 Or was like the or was the guy who like 1607 01:15:19.439 --> 01:15:20.920 this this would not be in this book but like 1608 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:23.800 took Blair's virginity and she couldn't remember that, you know, 1609 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:26.119 or like her first boyfriend or something. 1610 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.159 That yeah, yeah I could see that, yeah. 1611 01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:34.840 Jesus her pickle, but something like that that was just like, oh, 1612 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:36.800 this guy should not be here, Like how could I 1613 01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:37.720 not have remembered him? 1614 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:40.520 I wish that it had that had come up? I do. 1615 01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:43.560 I wish that would have been better. You know, you 1616 01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:45.560 will have to John. 1617 01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:48.880 Grisham sudden yeah, like yeah, John at John Grisham dot com, 1618 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:50.159 be like, hey, just read your folk. 1619 01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:52.680 I know. 1620 01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:55.359 I think if anyone said the email you can. 1621 01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:58.359 Let me start this by saying the subject line is 1622 01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:01.399 like I didn't hate it, I would love. 1623 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:03.199 I would love to get that email. 1624 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:15.319 All right. 1625 01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:17.720 I think we got to do final thoughts if there's 1626 01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:19.840 any big thing anything, but like I think we got 1627 01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:22.000 to wrap up we're getting getting towards. 1628 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:24.039 All right, all right, all right, do you have anything, 1629 01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:27.039 uh Sabrina? Did you have, like a ask the aucers 1630 01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:30.239 or what did you feel like something we should Yeah, 1631 01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:33.279 I do have an ask. This is an improvised segment. 1632 01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:37.680 There you go, Jonathan, This segment where uh Sabrina is 1633 01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:40.560 going to be an interviewer and we will each play 1634 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:42.359 the author and answer the question, and then she will 1635 01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:44.600 reveal what the actual author said. 1636 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:49.159 Okay, and I will also elect a winner among three. 1637 01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:52.720 Okay, all right, John? 1638 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.199 Do you ever want to skip Christmas? 1639 01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:04.800 Me? No, I I've never wanted to skip Christmas, you know, 1640 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:08.560 the holiday spirit and such. But I've definitely wanted to 1641 01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:13.039 get the commercialism and the you know, capitalism out of it, 1642 01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:15.119 you know, the money, because you spend a lot of 1643 01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:17.239 money on Christmas. But I think the spirit is something 1644 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:22.399 I always want to keep with me. Also, sometimes pedophiles 1645 01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:24.039 aren't actually pedophiles. 1646 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:27.520 Thank you, thank you. 1647 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:28.159 John. 1648 01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:32.119 Do you ever want to skip Christmas? 1649 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:34.399 No? 1650 01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:39.239 I absolutely love Christmas. I just think it's a joyful holiday. 1651 01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:43.920 The cheer, the shopping, the gift giving, and actually reminds 1652 01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:48.159 me there was a brutal crime committed against Santa Claus 1653 01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:55.840 nineteen ninety six. And actually the person that committed the 1654 01:17:55.880 --> 01:17:58.720 crime is still at large, but an innocent man went 1655 01:17:58.760 --> 01:18:02.880 to jail or that crime. I'd love to spend a 1656 01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:04.560 little more time getting into the details of that. 1657 01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:06.239 If you have about three hours. 1658 01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.279 Think think we don't have three hours. But thank you. 1659 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:15.720 I like that. I like that because it assumes that 1660 01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:21.000 that's what you're supposed to be talking about, asking asking 1661 01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:22.119 questions off base. 1662 01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:25.239 Remember, I'm here to promote a different book entirely. 1663 01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:27.680 I'm here for the nice project. 1664 01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:36.760 John, John, do you ever want to skip Christmas h 1665 01:18:37.000 --> 01:18:39.000 M all the time? 1666 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:46.439 Because because I am actually Jewish, and it was and 1667 01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:51.640 it used it used to be Grishansky and then we 1668 01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:53.239 have to change it for a lot of a lot 1669 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:56.800 of familial reasons. And I shouldn't even be telling you 1670 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:59.880 this because we're also in witsac in the witness of protection. 1671 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:04.760 I would say, stop stop talking, stop talking. 1672 01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:07.479 You know well, you know sometimes you know true. There's 1673 01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:09.880 a lot of good stories in truth. And I'm actually 1674 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:11.000 writing a new book about it. 1675 01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:16.359 Feels like you're about to live in so I just 1676 01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:17.800 want to I want to stop you there. 1677 01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:23.920 Well, thank you, thank you, so much. 1678 01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:29.279 I think the closest was Sarah until she diverted into 1679 01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:30.239 the pedophelia. 1680 01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:33.760 Sometimes I guess what's the answer. 1681 01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:38.920 So the real answer is every year. Yeah, I'd love 1682 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.640 to skip Christmas. Well not every year, but at some 1683 01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:44.479 point during the whole Christmas season, you get sick of 1684 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.520 all the excess and the commercialism and all the stuff 1685 01:19:47.560 --> 01:19:49.520 we pour into Christmas and we lose sight of the 1686 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:52.279 big picture. And every year I'd say there should be 1687 01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:54.359 a better way to do this, and I think about it. 1688 01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:56.920 Sure it'd be nice to skip it, but you can't 1689 01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:05.199 skip Christmas, right. I transcribed that from a YouTube video. 1690 01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:07.560 She was doing researched very good. 1691 01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:11.439 I was doing research very good. 1692 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:13.560 How about some hate reads? 1693 01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:19.279 All right, wads we do in? 1694 01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:23.199 I put it an improv act out, but it is good. 1695 01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.039 Right, let's do some good. Just let's hear what the 1696 01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:26.720 people think. 1697 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:31.359 Okay, K says I almost missed out on one of 1698 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:33.159 the funniest holiday books. 1699 01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:34.399 I can't believe. 1700 01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:38.359 I borrowed this last year and returned it after listening 1701 01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:41.800 to just one chapter. For some strange reason, I just 1702 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:42.479 didn't get it. 1703 01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:42.720 Then. 1704 01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:46.279 As crazy as it may sound, this quote d NF, 1705 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:48.319 which I assume means do not fuck. 1706 01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:49.359 Not finished last year. 1707 01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:53.920 We all know, we all know different version of the 1708 01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:54.359 same thing. 1709 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:56.800 I did not fuck. 1710 01:20:57.079 --> 01:20:57.560 That's true. 1711 01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:02.439 Last year is now proudly on my favorite shelf. I 1712 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:05.560 laughed so hard that I was in tears. I didn't 1713 01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:08.920 know John Grisham can be so funny. This is what 1714 01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:13.439 the holiday is all about. Love love this book, heart 1715 01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:16.119 Emoji Christmas, Kate. 1716 01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:21.159 You said, ka, I think K tried LSD for the 1717 01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:25.880 first time in the last year and has into it 1718 01:21:26.119 --> 01:21:27.159 changed everything for her. 1719 01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:30.000 Good for her, good for K good it really? 1720 01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:33.399 Yeah, you know what my favorite comedy is Skipping Christmas. 1721 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:34.039 The book. 1722 01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:42.439 Special shelf space just for it, and she almost skipped it. 1723 01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:45.680 Wow, Wow, she almost skipped Skipping Christmas. 1724 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:48.960 Also, whenever you ever revisit, like, I haven't books that 1725 01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:51.479 I only start a little bit of because they're dense 1726 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:53.479 or whatever, it's like watching the I watched the pilot 1727 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:57.039 of the Wire four times and then it's like, but. 1728 01:21:57.159 --> 01:22:01.079 Usually if you hate it, why would you ever go 1729 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:01.840 back to that book? 1730 01:22:02.039 --> 01:22:03.000 Yeah? I know you wouldn't. 1731 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:06.520 What inspired her to go back I don't know. 1732 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.039 Maybe enough people loved it and they kept talking about 1733 01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:10.159 and she wanted to be. 1734 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:13.479 Everyone was talking about enough. 1735 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:18.279 This wanted to. 1736 01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:30.680 Sherry says, who hasn't at some point thought about skipping Christmas. 1737 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:33.640 There's so much time and effort that goes into a 1738 01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:40.880 festive and merry holiday season. The planning, cooking, baking, buying, hiding, wrapping, decorating, well, 1739 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:46.039 the lists. He is seemingly endless each December. This fun 1740 01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:49.640 read makes one think about who we celebrate Christmas, for 1741 01:22:50.119 --> 01:22:55.640 ourselves or others. The various festivities really illustrate both sides 1742 01:22:55.640 --> 01:22:57.920 of the coin, but in the end, it seems that 1743 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:01.399 it's all about making a nice days lash season for everyone. 1744 01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:07.600 Christmas tree emoji, present emoji, Santa emoji, snowflake emoji, church emoji. 1745 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:11.760 People really like the Christmas one. Yeah, I guess there's a. 1746 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:14.000 Lot of emojis. 1747 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.880 I did another one, but it was just about how 1748 01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:22.600 this woman had watched Christmas. Christine also okay, the two 1749 01:23:22.760 --> 01:23:25.520 themes that I saw in the reviews a lot of women, 1750 01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:31.960 a lot of emojis. Christine had seen Christmas with the 1751 01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:37.359 Cranks numerous times and finally dove into the book and said, 1752 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:41.880 it's the book is very similar. I am reading it now. 1753 01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:42.359 I am. 1754 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:46.039 The book is very similar to the movie, but of 1755 01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:49.079 course the book is so much better. Why because you 1756 01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:51.239 can see inside of Luther's mind. 1757 01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:54.039 Luther is wonderful. 1758 01:23:56.000 --> 01:24:00.840 That was crazy, big Luther fan. Well, maybe Luther's better 1759 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:02.039 in the book than he is in the movie. 1760 01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:02.359 I don't know. 1761 01:24:02.399 --> 01:24:04.760 I haven't seen the movie. 1762 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:07.680 He is so okay. 1763 01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:10.159 When I copy and pasted this, I was like, that's 1764 01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:11.840 a crazy thing to say. 1765 01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:15.039 Luther sucks. And then I was like, but the book 1766 01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:16.960 is a lot better than the movie. And it is 1767 01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:20.159 because you could just see him. But there's mind that's hilarious. 1768 01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:22.079 Well, it's like, I'm not the biggest word. 1769 01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:24.119 I'm not a fan of Tamelan at all, but like 1770 01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:27.520 I do know, I mean, people have like there's a 1771 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:31.159 thing about him that people like and so and I 1772 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.880 know that like Tim the Toolman, Taylor was like also 1773 01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:37.640 really annoying and frustrating and so like, but people still 1774 01:24:37.720 --> 01:24:39.520 liked him because he was funny. So I can imagine 1775 01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:42.920 that in the movie he would have made Luther way 1776 01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:43.399 more charming. 1777 01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:46.800 Also, is probably way younger than the fifty five that Luther. 1778 01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:53.319 Was, you know, having just watched the movie, he could 1779 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:54.880 have been fifty. 1780 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:58.479 There's no way he was five in two thousand and four. 1781 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:04.600 I will say visually he might have for fifty five. 1782 01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:08.760 Listen, this is coming from someone who as a shame. 1783 01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:11.439 I think, well, I don't want to say a shame. 1784 01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:14.399 I don't want to put the man down. I had 1785 01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:15.239 a celebrity crowd. 1786 01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:16.600 Oh wait, wait, how old? 1787 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:18.600 What year? What year? 1788 01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:21.000 Think he was born? Actually, Jonathan? Jonathan? 1789 01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:23.720 What you actually? I think I would say he's born 1790 01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:31.039 in nineteen I would say he was launched. He had 1791 01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:33.199 a successful stan of career by the time. He's probably 1792 01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:36.720 a catching, a characterizing star, or a rising star when 1793 01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:38.680 he was like twenty five, which would be like eighty five. 1794 01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:41.319 So I didn'd say he was born in nineteen sixty five. 1795 01:25:41.479 --> 01:25:44.760 Ish nineteen fifty three. 1796 01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:52.159 Oh, my father, I'm just going to get to June thirteenth. Sorry, 1797 01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:53.119 he was fifty exactly. 1798 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:56.000 Wow almost when the movie came out. 1799 01:25:56.239 --> 01:26:04.199 Holy shit, wow shock never mind good good for him world. 1800 01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:08.319 He was he was pasted. What I crushed on. 1801 01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:12.000 To crush? Did you have a crush on John Goodman? 1802 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:13.960 Am I making that up? No? 1803 01:26:14.079 --> 01:26:21.199 He was my okay, fair, what why that's that? 1804 01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:22.840 You know that? 1805 01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:23.199 That person? 1806 01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:26.760 Well, it was it was me. 1807 01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:31.399 No, I've heard other people say it, wait what wait, no, no, no, Sabrina, 1808 01:26:31.479 --> 01:26:34.000 You've been saying it, and then you made other people 1809 01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:34.399 say it. 1810 01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:35.079 What's happening. 1811 01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:40.039 Yeah, I'll I'll find the like side by side image 1812 01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:40.720 that I did. 1813 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:44.359 It was like when everyone was doing their. 1814 01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:51.720 Uh that was mine. I'll find the picture and I 1815 01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:55.720 will send it and you'll you'll all say like, no, no, 1816 01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:58.119 but you'll think to yourself. 1817 01:26:57.720 --> 01:26:59.720 I'm gonna be completely honest. 1818 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:03.119 We Jonathan was just talking about being honest and candidate 1819 01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:04.000 at the end of this podcast. 1820 01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:06.199 I think we should all be honest when we see it. 1821 01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:07.319 How does it make us feel? 1822 01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:11.159 We'll be honest? 1823 01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:16.880 Wait, did you were Was he your crush during Home Improven? Yes, 1824 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:20.920 which is hilarious because one of the most famous teenage 1825 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:24.039 Charthurrobs of all time Taylor. 1826 01:27:25.319 --> 01:27:32.239 Well, interestingly, one of my first crushes was Simba Child Simba. 1827 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:34.439 Play by Jonathan Taylor Thomas. 1828 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:37.439 So it's like I had a crush on Jonathan Taylor Thomas, 1829 01:27:37.439 --> 01:27:40.880 but it was specifically the cartoon. 1830 01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:44.039 Line did you always go after the dads? You know? 1831 01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:45.000 In high school? 1832 01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:48.840 You were always like In fact, it is strange that 1833 01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:51.359 I had a crush on Tim Allen, and not just 1834 01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:55.840 because he is a Republican and was busted for dealing cocaine, 1835 01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:59.359 but because when I was a child. I'm sure I've 1836 01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:04.560 told this story before. I I had such intense crushes 1837 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:13.199 on like boys my age, and I remember thinking that 1838 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:20.239 adult men were so heinously unattractive, and I started to 1839 01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:25.680 fear I was going to be a Pickle file. I 1840 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:27.399 was afraid that I was going to be a pedophile 1841 01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:31.880 because I thought that adult men were so repulsive in 1842 01:28:31.960 --> 01:28:34.159 terms out I just had age appropriate crushing. 1843 01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:36.800 Yeah, I think, yeah, I will say that's normal, but 1844 01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:41.279 an interesting fear to have interesting fear to What did 1845 01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:48.680 you read that this podcast today? If we're we're back 1846 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:50.720 with Pickle all right, let's do our let's do our 1847 01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:53.880 hate rates. So, Jonathan, we do these out of five. 1848 01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:57.279 We rate them in terms of the world of mean 1849 01:28:57.279 --> 01:29:00.239 book club books. So we're not comparing it to shake spear. 1850 01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:04.199 Whatever you think is like your best literature you've ever read. 1851 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:06.840 It's kind of just like of these New York Times 1852 01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:10.840 bestseller type of books. What are we giving it out 1853 01:29:10.880 --> 01:29:15.000 of five? So anybody want to go first? 1854 01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:16.399 Yeah, I'll go. 1855 01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:19.399 It's just so hard for me to like not rate 1856 01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:20.760 somebody compared to Shakespeare. 1857 01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:25.079 I mean, also, it's just my mind. It's on top 1858 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:26.960 of my mind. I'm like running through quotes. 1859 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:30.199 You know, how much would you hate? How much would 1860 01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:31.399 you hate the person who is like, oh, who's your 1861 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:31.920 favorite author? 1862 01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:34.920 Likespeare William Shakespeare? 1863 01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:37.279 I mean to be insane, but probably something I said 1864 01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:41.640 in like eighth grade when I read my mind, maybe. 1865 01:29:42.199 --> 01:29:43.399 Like is that just as bad? 1866 01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:52.199 I was Johnte Aligary for a long time. Whoa and 1867 01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:55.560 people would be like, oh, you like the Inferno. I'd 1868 01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:59.239 be like peasant, I like the Divine Comedy and the Inferno. 1869 01:29:59.079 --> 01:29:59.960 Is only a third. 1870 01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:03.960 I was. 1871 01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:12.439 I think, yeah, I made a few friends. Okay, So 1872 01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:15.800 my journey with this book. As I was listening to it, 1873 01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:19.359 I was like, why was this book written? 1874 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:22.079 And who was it written for? 1875 01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:26.520 I like, I can't imagine that it has a target audience. 1876 01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:29.199 I don't know why I wrote it. And then as 1877 01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:29.760 the book. 1878 01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:34.159 Went on, I gotta tell you I I was. I 1879 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:40.479 was so moved by John Grisham's words, so I guess well, 1880 01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:43.840 and also not to mention, this book was real short. 1881 01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:49.399 So it's given a three point five from me. It was, 1882 01:30:52.279 --> 01:30:53.560 Oh my gosh, which emojis? 1883 01:30:53.560 --> 01:30:59.720 Would I use? Three point five hard eyes spaghetti plate 1884 01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:01.520 from Getty Plain? 1885 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:02.079 Interesting? 1886 01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:05.159 Yeah, three point five? 1887 01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:10.279 Okay, you're making this is. 1888 01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:13.439 This is probably right right down the middle for me. Look, 1889 01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:17.119 it's an it's I bunted like this is. It was 1890 01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:19.039 a good pitch, an easy hit. 1891 01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:24.279 The book was short. Uh, it wasn't too. 1892 01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:28.479 Awful like we've read just some god awful, really horrible, offensive, 1893 01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:30.319 mind numbing books. 1894 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:30.800 This one. 1895 01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.039 Look, end of the day, I said, with pelican. 1896 01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:36.199 Brief, I'll say again, John Grisham's a good writer, you know, 1897 01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:37.720 he's just just a readable writer. 1898 01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:39.439 So let's let's call it a three. 1899 01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:44.840 But I know that I did dislike it immensely from 1900 01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:45.520 start to finish. 1901 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:46.479 If that makes sense. 1902 01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:52.479 Okay, that'd be a devastating thing to hear as the author. 1903 01:31:57.359 --> 01:31:59.039 Yes, like she did say like I was a good writer, 1904 01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:00.000 like I'm a readable rite. 1905 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:02.279 That's cool, I am doing it in English mostly, and 1906 01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:05.439 like then okay, but it's like I did hate all 1907 01:32:05.479 --> 01:32:08.199 of it. 1908 01:32:08.279 --> 01:32:10.159 But end of the day, this made my life worse, 1909 01:32:10.239 --> 01:32:11.359 and I'm sorry I read. 1910 01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:15.600 It three Yeah, it was fine. I know I'm having 1911 01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:18.000 a lot of trouble landing where I want to land. 1912 01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:21.239 I think I can tell you, like if you love 1913 01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:25.199 Christmas and you're nostalgic for a time, or like everyone 1914 01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:29.479 on your block being you know, a Christian white person 1915 01:32:29.560 --> 01:32:35.319 that decorates their house and super into Christmas and you 1916 01:32:35.359 --> 01:32:37.439 live in the Northeast or something. I don't know, Uh, 1917 01:32:37.640 --> 01:32:39.039 this is gonna be five out of five for you 1918 01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:41.800 because in the end that's who wins. And it's like 1919 01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:45.479 poking fun, but like just lightly. And then you know, 1920 01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:49.159 in the end all those bad people were actually good 1921 01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:51.279 because they helped get ready for the party. So I 1922 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:53.000 could say that being a five out of five or 1923 01:32:53.039 --> 01:32:53.840 someone like that. 1924 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:56.199 I'm gonna give it. 1925 01:32:57.079 --> 01:32:59.359 I'm gonna give it a three out of five because 1926 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:05.640 it was short, and again Grisham wrote, well, there are 1927 01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.640 some parts I like, the plot worked, but it was like, 1928 01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.159 really for four hour audiobook, the first two hours were 1929 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:16.720 excruciatingly slow for me. And of course there was some 1930 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:21.119 you know, there was the you know, fucked up diet 1931 01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:24.640 culture and racism and stuff, but it felt very two 1932 01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:27.239 thousand and one, So I don't even I'm not even 1933 01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:31.119 knocking it so much on that. Yeah, they're gonna five 1934 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:31.359 for me. 1935 01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:32.479 It was fine. 1936 01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:36.880 I think that this book is I don't know if 1937 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:38.960 I've said this about a book before, but I think 1938 01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:43.960 it does benefit from reading it versus audiobook because like 1939 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:46.640 when you see how it like it moves, especially because 1940 01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:48.640 like it's like because the fonts so big that there's 1941 01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:52.319 like four words of page, you just. 1942 01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:53.000 Like are flipping. 1943 01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:55.800 It really is flipping quickly, so it feels like you're 1944 01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:57.880 making good Well yeah, it makes you feel like you're making 1945 01:33:57.920 --> 01:33:59.640 a lot of progress very quickly. So like even if 1946 01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:02.560 it does feel like plot slow or like writing slow 1947 01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:04.920 or whatever, it is just like, oh, I'm already a 1948 01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:05.720 third through this book. 1949 01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:08.399 Somehow I feel like nothing is like I just started it. 1950 01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:14.840 But I do think that, like as compared two books 1951 01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:19.239 that I as compared to Billy Shakes, I think that 1952 01:34:19.359 --> 01:34:23.000 like for what it is, like you were like, basically 1953 01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:24.840 it's this is a Malcolm of like what Sarah said 1954 01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:27.239 and what Jona said, where it's like, yeah, I also 1955 01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:28.279 did dislike it. 1956 01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:29.600 For I went from like. 1957 01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:32.600 Not liking it to not liking it a little less 1958 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.479 to then really not liking it, but then being like, 1959 01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:40.119 you know what, but I did enjoy it. It's still 1960 01:34:40.279 --> 01:34:44.039 was somehow entertaining journey. Yeah, and it's like it still 1961 01:34:44.039 --> 01:34:45.800 has some stuff that I actually did laugh at. And 1962 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:48.159 I'm a hyper critical person, especially when it comes down 1963 01:34:48.159 --> 01:34:51.000 to like cultural stuff and like racial stuff and ethnic 1964 01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:56.560 and America like americanas especially, also doing things that you 1965 01:34:57.399 --> 01:34:59.760 think you have to do socially that you really don't 1966 01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:02.039 want to do, and the only reason you do those 1967 01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:03.880 things is to say face or because someone is gonna 1968 01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:06.760 talk shit on you. Like that's like, yeah, the hardest 1969 01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:11.079 thing for me to stomach in real life. And yet yeah, 1970 01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:13.399 there's some people for this book. This book would be 1971 01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:16.159 like for all the Harmark ladies that are watching Hallmark 1972 01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:19.720 Christmas movies in July love it, like, you know, so 1973 01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:21.479 it's really funny to see how relative it is. And 1974 01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.640 he is not a bad writer, so it's just like 1975 01:35:27.239 --> 01:35:31.319 it'd be really interesting to see maybe like the first 1976 01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:34.640 draft of this book was you know, like before edited 1977 01:35:34.720 --> 01:35:36.680 or something, so we could be even more critical about it. 1978 01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:39.119 I want Christiam to come out with like a crime 1979 01:35:40.199 --> 01:35:45.159 novel like legal, you know, thriller, but for Christmas. I 1980 01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:48.840 would love him to marry different yea, yeah, I would 1981 01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:49.439 love to see that. 1982 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.000 Yeah, I'd love that. 1983 01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:52.680 Yeah. 1984 01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:55.920 Oh, man, we'll never know what Clari said. 1985 01:35:56.239 --> 01:35:58.800 She never joined some just not that. 1986 01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:03.680 Lara, Well we missed you. We'll we'll see you next season. 1987 01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.039 This is our big ender, this is our big season. 1988 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:09.880 Yeah, still have to do you have to. 1989 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:15.560 Do sorry little, we do a little. 1990 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:19.880 And uh we'll skip Prettiest Princess, but I want to know, Jonathan, 1991 01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:24.760 we won't to skip that, Jonathan. Where can people catch you? Like, 1992 01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:26.560 do you have stuff you want to plug? Do you 1993 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:27.600 want to talk about anything? 1994 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:28.279 Oh? 1995 01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:28.680 That's good? 1996 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:33.640 Yeah yeah, yeah, I man, And stuff's real weird right now. 1997 01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:35.520 So I'm kind of like waiting on so many things 1998 01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:39.600 that like actually happen or green full Green Lights Full budget. 1999 01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:41.520 Come out November, so if that helps. 2000 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:42.079 That's true. 2001 01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:45.239 Even then, I don't know, things are real weird. Uh 2002 01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:47.840 could be in Yeah, I have a couple of things 2003 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:50.479 I'm really excited about doing that are just like they're 2004 01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:53.079 just in a holding pattern like some movie stuff. Like 2005 01:36:53.119 --> 01:36:56.319 otherwise it's like doing stuff at UCV again, which has 2006 01:36:56.359 --> 01:37:00.399 been really fun. I have a show. Uh yeah, I 2007 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:01.960 mean that that's kind of like an ongoing thing so 2008 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:04.319 that you catch me doing sketch comedy at UCUD in 2009 01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:08.279 New York I also have. There's a few short stories 2010 01:37:08.279 --> 01:37:11.600 I write. I started writing pros and uh, there's a 2011 01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:14.239 few short stories I hope to get published this year. 2012 01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:17.960 And I just started writing a romanticy novel because guess what, 2013 01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:19.199 so everybody else. 2014 01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:20.439 Yeah, thank you? 2015 01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:23.279 Oh my god, Hey, well you get that? Well, I mean, 2016 01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:26.000 we'll definitely, we'll set it out, we'll talk about it, 2017 01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:26.680 we can do a bonus. 2018 01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:29.319 That'll be amazing. And then you as long as I 2019 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:32.359 get a review that says d N about my romantic, 2020 01:37:35.279 --> 01:37:37.600 you've made it romantic. 2021 01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:39.760 Oh my god, Wait what is can you tell? Can 2022 01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:41.560 you give us a little like tease about what? 2023 01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:41.920 Yeah? 2024 01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:43.439 Well, I don't yeah, And I don't know the best 2025 01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:46.279 way to tease it yet because I don't know how 2026 01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:46.800 much of it is. 2027 01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:48.560 Just like I'm trying to keep this type of the chest. 2028 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:49.319 So it's still like a. 2029 01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:52.399 Surprising romanticy, is there fucking. 2030 01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:55.279 I mean, yes, there hasn't iound that part. I haven't 2031 01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.720 that part yet, but I will say that there's no fairies. 2032 01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:00.159 It's not medieval. 2033 01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:03.760 A little bit. Okay, well, now you're not selling me 2034 01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:04.359 what's going on? 2035 01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:06.760 Yeah, So it's like, but it is, it's a lot 2036 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:08.000 of mythology. 2037 01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:11.199 Oh okay, really excited for this. 2038 01:38:12.560 --> 01:38:14.760 There's going to be like if you need any test 2039 01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:17.600 readers for the fucking yeah, we're really. 2040 01:38:17.439 --> 01:38:17.840 Going to read. 2041 01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:20.039 Well, yeah, it's gonna be I'm actually exploring a lot 2042 01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:23.479 of like ethnicity stuff and like lineage stuff through this, 2043 01:38:23.720 --> 01:38:26.720 and it's gonna be a lot of like Norse mythology 2044 01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:29.600 as well as Mayan mythology, which is never really tough. 2045 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:31.000 Yeah that. 2046 01:38:31.239 --> 01:38:35.359 I am so excited about this, Like I'm not over 2047 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:36.000 selling this. 2048 01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:37.960 I can't wait to read it. I think it's going 2049 01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:38.600 to be really good. 2050 01:38:38.840 --> 01:38:39.319 Yeah, thank you. 2051 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:41.560 Like it's one of those things where I've loosely told 2052 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:44.039 people like, oh this is these are the four or 2053 01:38:44.039 --> 01:38:46.720 five main beats, and everybody it just immediately feels fun 2054 01:38:46.840 --> 01:38:47.800 and I'm like, great. 2055 01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:49.720 Great, I got that's good. 2056 01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:52.359 We've read a lot of romanticies over the years for 2057 01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:56.720 the podcast, and then sometimes you know, work becomes pleasure 2058 01:38:56.760 --> 01:39:04.119 and you read a few more and. 2059 01:39:01.079 --> 01:39:01.840 Then if it comes to. 2060 01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:04.640 Your life something amazing. 2061 01:39:04.239 --> 01:39:06.399 We get it. Well, Yeah it's a good. Yeah, jump in, 2062 01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:10.439 jump in the water's warm exactly. All right, all right, 2063 01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:12.319 let's do our little of the cast. 2064 01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:16.399 We're just gonna name the second last someone, all right, 2065 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:18.680 a little of the cast. 2066 01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:23.520 Great, so real quick, I'll just start. It's Sabrina because 2067 01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:30.159 she moved summary later, but I told you last, So okay, 2068 01:39:30.199 --> 01:39:30.880 I'll go next. 2069 01:39:30.920 --> 01:39:33.920 It's Sabrina. She's insisting we're gonna do another segment after this. 2070 01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:36.920 It's we've gone on such a long time. The podcast 2071 01:39:37.000 --> 01:39:37.279 is over. 2072 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:39.199 It's you. You're the little fucker. 2073 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:44.199 We're gonna do it, Sabrina. I'll I'll vote. 2074 01:39:46.079 --> 01:39:49.359 It's such a hard decision between Johnna and Sarah. 2075 01:39:49.520 --> 01:39:57.039 Just too no, he did nothing wrong. I think I'm 2076 01:39:57.119 --> 01:40:01.880 gonna have to go with Sarah because I. 2077 01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:06.199 Think move in the summary was brilliant, genius and you 2078 01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:10.079 should recognize that respect my brilliance. 2079 01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:15.000 I'm gonna go with Sabrina because I think she's doing 2080 01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:18.159 herself a massive disk service with the John Goodman stuff. 2081 01:40:20.560 --> 01:40:23.359 Wow, it's the nicest little Frida. 2082 01:40:24.119 --> 01:40:28.520 You're gonna see the photo photo and you'll untext to 2083 01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:29.119 us tonight. 2084 01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:30.439 She wasn't so bad. 2085 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:31.119 It's so weird. 2086 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:34.399 We'll put it up all right, all right, and then 2087 01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:35.520 pretty little fun. 2088 01:40:36.720 --> 01:40:39.840 Jesus, we're doing okay, and we have one final segment 2089 01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:41.920 and it's you have to vote for who the prettiest 2090 01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:42.720 princess of the cast? 2091 01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:44.800 No, nobody, you, only you can right. 2092 01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:49.319 Well, And unfortunately, because of how the very complicated rules 2093 01:40:49.359 --> 01:40:53.000 around it, only someone who was an original pretty princess 2094 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:55.880 can be voted. Johnna was in the original episode where 2095 01:40:55.880 --> 01:40:58.039 it happened, but she got herself kicked out of the 2096 01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:03.000 running somehow. So I'm I'm gonna be the prettiest princess. 2097 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:09.520 Okay, great princess, sure whatever, All right, guys, please mean 2098 01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:12.199 book club on all the socials. Please join our patreoon. 2099 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:15.319 Become a patron of the mean arts we are. This 2100 01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:17.600 is the last big finale of the season. We will 2101 01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:20.479 have some bonus EPs coming out, maybe some Christmas theme, 2102 01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:26.520 who knows, maybe Christmas is the Craig hint. But yeah, yep, yep. 2103 01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:32.000 But please start sending us your book reres so we 2104 01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:33.319 can start planning for next season. 2105 01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.680 And yes, we'll see then anybody. 2106 01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:40.680 I mean, last word, thank you, Jonathan, You're so funny. 2107 01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:42.399 I've missed. 2108 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:47.399 Yeah, this was such a great. 2109 01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:50.640 Yeah, this is great, and you're all very very smart 2110 01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:53.199 and funny and it's. 2111 01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:56.920 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, but not enough people say that. 2112 01:41:57.039 --> 01:41:59.119 I think I would love to see a lot more 2113 01:41:59.720 --> 01:42:02.560 like you know, five star reviews of our podcast. 2114 01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:03.760 Let's say this is important. 2115 01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:06.960 This is important work, yeah, especially as everything else on fire. 2116 01:42:07.159 --> 01:42:08.479 This one, this is very much not. 2117 01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:09.439 This is important. 2118 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:12.840 Yeah, well hell yeah. 2119 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:15.479 We do recommend some books to be burnt, but. 2120 01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:18.520 That's not that we can live for now. 2121 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:19.159 Not this one. 2122 01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:20.000 This one didn't. 2123 01:42:20.159 --> 01:42:22.000 This one's fine, all right. 2124 01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:25.000 Thanks for listening everybody, Thanks Steffy for the rack, and 2125 01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:26.880 we'll see you guys next season. 2126 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:46.479 Bye bye bye