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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to an airwave media podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, this is Blake Smith from Monster Talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Why why are you calling at this at this time?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you told me you'd help me inject some science

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<v Speaker 2>content into my episode about Kaiju, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>ask for your thoughts about some claims that many people

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<v Speaker 2>have been making that in nineteen fifty four, the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Tokyo was attacked by a giant radioactive mutati dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody's claiming that it's just that's just a film.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay? Well what about the claims at nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five that same monster returned to attack Japan? Yet again,

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<v Speaker 2>also just a film. Well, can you address the many

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<v Speaker 2>sightings of a giant moth that engaged in battle with

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<v Speaker 2>this same giant radioactive dinosaur beasts sixty four?

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<v Speaker 3>Again, that is just it's a film, Blake.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay. What about the alleged incident that took place

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty two when this mysterious reptile was forced

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<v Speaker 2>into combat with what many claimed was a giant eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was based on an actual incident, a thing

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<v Speaker 3>that actually happened in ninety fifty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, no, not really?

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<v Speaker 3>That was also just a film.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I called you for some science and I had

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<v Speaker 2>to say, this is not very helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>You said you were going to ask something sensible about

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<v Speaker 3>Big four or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay, here's when it sounds very scientific. How

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<v Speaker 2>about the alleged case of a giant three headed monster? Then?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't think you're getting it. Just a film?

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<v Speaker 2>Dang it. Now, who am I going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>help me talk about Godzilla? Giant monsters for the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before. A

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<v Speaker 2>giant hairy creature.

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<v Speaker 4>Part eight, Part mat in Luckness, a twenty four a

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<v Speaker 4>mile long bottomless lake in the Highlands of Scotland.

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<v Speaker 5>Get the creature known as the Luckness Monster.

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<v Speaker 2>Monstertal. Welcome to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters.

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<v Speaker 2>As you may have guessed based on the intro, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a special episode about Godzilla and other giant monsters.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Blake Smith and together with Karen Stoles Know, we

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<v Speaker 2>examined the legends and facts behind legendary monsters, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>we like to take a look at purely fictional creatures

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what we're doing today. A special thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>Darren Nash of the tetrapod Zoology blog and the tet

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<v Speaker 2>Zoo podcasts. Darren wrote a wonderful piece on the biology

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<v Speaker 2>of Godzilla back in twenty ten, and I'll put a

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<v Speaker 2>link to that in the show notes. Because of the

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<v Speaker 2>length of this episode, I'm going to keep the intro short,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is a topic I really love and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you enjoy listening to it. I want to give

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<v Speaker 2>a quick reminder that we're a podcast created by science

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<v Speaker 2>advocates and skeptics, but we love monsters and we always

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<v Speaker 2>like to remind people that anybody can have a weird experience,

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<v Speaker 2>even hardcore skeptics. To really illustrate this point, my co

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<v Speaker 2>host Karen has put together an anthology of real life

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<v Speaker 2>stories of at occurrences by some of the most prominent

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<v Speaker 2>skeptics out there. I really encourage you to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon and check it out a link to her book,

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<v Speaker 2>Would you Believe It? Mysterious Tales from people you would

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<v Speaker 2>least expect. It is available in paperback and e reader. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>One note, As sometimes happens, we had some issues with

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<v Speaker 2>the audio and I had to recover from a backup

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<v Speaker 2>copy and the interview was spread across two recording sessions,

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<v Speaker 2>which ended up with wildly varying audio quality the two segments.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done my best to minimize that, but apologize to

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<v Speaker 2>any audio files out there. Morenstertle. Today we're talking to

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Keller and Ed Gotchassky. Michael is the co editor

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<v Speaker 2>of Monster Attack Team magazine along with the founder Edward Holland,

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<v Speaker 2>and the upcoming co host of an Area forty two podcasts.

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<v Speaker 6>And we'll put links to that in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Monster Attack Team dot com and then the Area forty

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<v Speaker 2>two podcasts. I assume we'll be available in whatever podcast

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<v Speaker 2>aggregator you use, but again when that goes live, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get the show notes updated to have the active link

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<v Speaker 2>for that. And Ed is the publisher of Japanese Giants magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the author of the illustrated Encyclopedia of Godzilla. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a producer and writer of the documentary Bringing Godzilla down

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<v Speaker 2>to Size. He has provided DVD commentary for Coho Films

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<v Speaker 2>along with Steve Rifle, and is the co author, again

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<v Speaker 2>with Steve Rifle, of Ashiro Honda, A Life from Godzilla

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<v Speaker 2>to Karrosawa, which is due to be polished in October

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen. Thank you for joining us on Monstar.

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<v Speaker 7>Guys pleas to be here. Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a big topic, obviously, and it's one

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<v Speaker 2>that I've been wanting to talk about for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of time on monshok we deal

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<v Speaker 2>with cryptids, but we do like to talk about folklore

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<v Speaker 2>and pop culture monsters as well. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>hard to overstate the impact of giant monsters on pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just they're everywhere. They're in advertising, they're in stories,

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<v Speaker 2>they're in movies, they're in aletry.

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<v Speaker 5>Around two that I'm calling it all the way back

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<v Speaker 5>to mythology.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, that's a very good point. Yeah, it's excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I kind of want to focus on the

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<v Speaker 2>impact of Japanese cinema, but it's really a global phenomena,

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<v Speaker 2>as you say, and it's.

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<v Speaker 8>It's gone with the Japanese, didn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it depends on how you classified. I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of think of King Kong as the first giant

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<v Speaker 2>monster movie, although I think The Lost World actually predates that. Well.

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<v Speaker 5>King Kong, I think was the first giant monster movie

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<v Speaker 5>where the monster was unique. Lost World was just dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, the plot of it, the plot of the

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<v Speaker 5>Lost World did was almost exactly the same as King Kong,

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<v Speaker 5>except instead of having a giant ape, you had and

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<v Speaker 5>a patosaurus that filled that role and it didn't get

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<v Speaker 5>hooked up with any blonde checks.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, the first question is what is a kaiju or

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<v Speaker 8>what archaiju?

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<v Speaker 5>If I'm not mistaken, I think the literal translation of

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<v Speaker 5>the Japanese word kaiju is strange creature, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>colloquially it means monster. And if you had a diet

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<v Speaker 5>to that, die kaiju that means giant monster. I'll welcome

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<v Speaker 5>edge and put on that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there's there's any number of ways that

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<v Speaker 1>you can translate that particular word, but yeahs as Mike

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<v Speaker 1>has pointed out, the popular translation is.

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<v Speaker 7>Really weird creature.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, in the case of monster movies in Japan,

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<v Speaker 1>and kaiju has been the word that is attached to

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<v Speaker 1>this particular genre.

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<v Speaker 5>There's also another word that has not been made as

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<v Speaker 5>popular over here, but is used in Japan called kai jin.

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<v Speaker 5>That's ji n as opposed to jayu, and that's used

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<v Speaker 5>for monsters that are of the same size.

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<v Speaker 7>As human beings.

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<v Speaker 5>In the television shows such as Common Writer and other

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<v Speaker 5>superhero shows, they use the word kai jin, But we

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<v Speaker 5>don't really use that over here yet.

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<v Speaker 2>From a historical perspective, do I guess when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about I assume Godzilla is the first of these, but

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<v Speaker 2>I might be wrong on that. So if Godzilla was

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<v Speaker 2>the first of the giant Japanese monsters, were they calling

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<v Speaker 2>them kaiju back then?

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<v Speaker 5>Or oh yeah, yeah, that word was used from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>Supposedly there were two movies about King Kong that came

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<v Speaker 5>out in nineteen thirty three, or they'reabouts in Japan that

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<v Speaker 5>are now completely lost forever and that nobody has any

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<v Speaker 5>hope of ever see again. I have seen supposed synopsis

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<v Speaker 5>of those that have come to light recently where it

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<v Speaker 5>turns out that there may not have been monsters in

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<v Speaker 5>them at all, just some guy in a monkey suit

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<v Speaker 5>playing King Kong. But I that that's the extent of

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<v Speaker 5>what I know about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've only seen I've only seen a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>from one, and no footages have her surface on these

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm aware of.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it will though, that's one of it. That's like

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<v Speaker 2>the the Thomas Edison version of Frankenstein's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>famous lost cinema and I think a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>that footage is still around.

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<v Speaker 5>But the whole movies, the whole movie has been found.

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<v Speaker 7>It's on YouTube. You can see it neat.

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<v Speaker 2>So I knew they had recovered some of it far

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<v Speaker 2>that had gone. And what was the lot Cheney one?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that like London after midnight?

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<v Speaker 7>I think after midnight?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah no, but yeah, that's completely lost.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they did a Turner Classic Movies did a

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<v Speaker 2>presentation where they basically put it together with a series

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<v Speaker 2>of production stills and made sort of a here's what

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<v Speaker 2>it would have looked like, which was pretty interesting. Why Godzilla,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, is what I'm curious about. I mean, where

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<v Speaker 2>does this come from? And how did it impact Japanese culture?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know how it impacted the American culture,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe just talk about the story of Godzilla, how

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<v Speaker 2>it came to be and the American distribution and why

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<v Speaker 2>there's a difference in the versions.

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<v Speaker 7>Well as far as the first film.

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<v Speaker 1>The popular story that has been put forth by the

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<v Speaker 1>producer Tomyo Vi Tanakos that he came up with it

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<v Speaker 1>while he was on a plane coming back from Indonesia,

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<v Speaker 1>where one of his major co productions with the Indonesian

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<v Speaker 1>government had fallen through, and he was suddenly without a

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<v Speaker 1>big blockbuster that he was looking to produce for that

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<v Speaker 1>for that time period of nineteen fifty three, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>flying out over the over the ocean back to Japan

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<v Speaker 1>and looks down at the ocean and he comes up

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea of, you know what if some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of giant creature from under the ocean were to appear,

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<v Speaker 1>And you.

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<v Speaker 7>Know, this is kind of like his popular myth that

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<v Speaker 7>he created.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically, you know, at that time, the Beast from

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thousand Fathoms had just come out in America and

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge success. So, you know, being one of

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<v Speaker 1>the top producers at Toho in Japan at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's he's very well aware of the box

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<v Speaker 1>office trends of what's.

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<v Speaker 7>Going on.

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<v Speaker 1>In the world of cinema, and so I think he

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<v Speaker 1>took a look at that and said, well, why don't

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<v Speaker 7>The same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the same time, I believe King Kong had

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<v Speaker 1>just been reissued in Japan around that time and had

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<v Speaker 1>done very well, So it seemed like the time was good.

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<v Speaker 7>Timing was good for a giant monster film. If I'm

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<v Speaker 7>not mistaken.

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<v Speaker 5>The Beast from twenty thousand Fathoms was made because King

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<v Speaker 5>Kong had just come on television in the US in

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen fifty two for the first time, and that ended

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<v Speaker 5>up being a big hit.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you have any remembers of that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I hadn't heard that story before, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be at least bit surprised at that, So that.

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<v Speaker 7>Was correct me.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm wrong, that's the version. That's the Harry Housen

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<v Speaker 2>film that was based on the Lighthouse short story by Bradberry.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that those two had been huge fans

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<v Speaker 2>But that was still a story about an ancient creature

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there was Okay, Oh was it atomic bombs at

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<v Speaker 5>As a matter of fact, I've heard, and well directly

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<v Speaker 5>I had heard him say that himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, okay, well anyway, that's that topic story that

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<v Speaker 1>around the time that they were looking to produce the film,

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<v Speaker 1>it caused a huge uproar in Japan at that time

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<v Speaker 1>that Japanese citizens again were subject to the effects of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that kind of book that also Tanaka seized

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<v Speaker 1>on that there was some a topical event that they

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<v Speaker 7>At the time. So they, you know, they put together

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<v Speaker 1>So Sobria was was signed to the project, and they

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<v Speaker 1>fact that those two had worked together successfully, Handa seemed

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<v Speaker 1>of people wanted to go. Thought, Handa thought that this

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<v Speaker 8>What about the American takes on Kaiju? What can you

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<v Speaker 8>Pacific Rim.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of them do freely reference the Japanese films

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<v Speaker 5>as influences, especially in Pacific Rim where they used to

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<v Speaker 5>They go out of their way to use the word kaiju,

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<v Speaker 5>so that it's a very it's very in your face

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, with giant robots too. So I don't know enough

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<v Speaker 2>about Japanese culture. Is there a special name for giant

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<v Speaker 2>robot movies as opposed to giantlanster movies?

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<v Speaker 5>No, but to two other words, Well, at least one

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<v Speaker 5>other word that might be important would be tokasatsu, which

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<v Speaker 5>And that would not just cover the kaiju aga or

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<v Speaker 5>monster movies, but also space operas and anything. Any type

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<v Speaker 5>of Japanese sci fi and movies with giant robots would

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<v Speaker 5>be considered tokusatsuega, and television shows would be called tereby tokasatsu.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay. And so you said that there were some American

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<v Speaker 8>films that had that similar theme of radiation created creatures.

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<v Speaker 8>What are some of those ones them?

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<v Speaker 5>About the giant ants from radiation? I think the Deadly

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<v Speaker 5>Mantis was caused by radioactivity or was awoken. We've already

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<v Speaker 5>mentioned The Beast from twenty thousand fathoms, and there was

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<v Speaker 5>a British film called The Giant Behemoth which was radioactive, okay.

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<v Speaker 8>Were they influenced by any events that took place in

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<v Speaker 8>the States or just the Japanese style films.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was just the Cold War and the

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<v Speaker 5>duck and cover culture that was going on at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the fifties that they were still doing atomic

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<v Speaker 1>bomb testing in the desert in the Southwest, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much directly referenced in especially in them that that's

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<v Speaker 1>really the reason why these mutated ants were created. But

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<v Speaker 1>just the fact that the atomic age was just something

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<v Speaker 1>that was really in the news and there was testing,

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<v Speaker 1>and the.

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<v Speaker 1>Where people were feeling the nuclear threat that became. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that became a very easy cook for science fiction filmmakers

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<v Speaker 7>And radiation was kind of like the magic ingredient to.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain way a lot of the giant monsters and science

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<v Speaker 5>I think that had something to do with finding vegetation

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<v Speaker 5>that was extremely large that happened after some of these

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<v Speaker 5>atomic tests, and I believe that's where that idea came from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been actually trying to track that down with

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more precision, and I unfortunately haven't found

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<v Speaker 2>a case zero if you will, but I'd like to.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think you can draw a really nice story

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<v Speaker 2>of where you've got these twenty thousand fathoms with a

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear bomb, and then Godzilla and then in the same

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<v Speaker 6>Is absolutely radiation based giantism.

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<v Speaker 2>And once that's become established as a successful trope, movies

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<v Speaker 2>after that don't really have to explain it. They just say, oh, radiation,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody's oh, of course, radiation, right.

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<v Speaker 8>They paved the way.

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<v Speaker 5>Another one would be The Amazing Colossal Man and it's yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>War of the Colossal Beast.

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<v Speaker 2>My son is a huge giant monster fan, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a pretty extensive collection of these films, including some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty obscure ones.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and started right, Oh, absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta be a good parent, right, It's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that they're gonna like monsters when they grow up,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're sure going to be educated about them, so

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The one of the things that I found really interesting though,

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<v Speaker 2>is that we had the good opportunity to go see

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<v Speaker 2>the original I'm going to call it go Jira.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, that's one of mine. That's one of my pet

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<v Speaker 5>peeves right there. Explain Oh, I'm sorry I said before

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<v Speaker 5>when I mentioned that was one of my pet peeves.

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<v Speaker 5>What I was referring to was the pronunciation of Godzilla's

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<v Speaker 5>Japanese name, because everybody always says gojurra, but that that's

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<v Speaker 5>not correct. It's it's Gojira with the accent on the

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<v Speaker 5>go rather than the jurra.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>The word Gojira was made from the Japanese words gorira, gorilla,

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<v Speaker 5>and kujira, which is well, so God's Gojita is literally

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<v Speaker 5>a gorilla.

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<v Speaker 2>Wal The original Japanese version, not the American release, was

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<v Speaker 2>quite different. The American release, and I'm sure you guys

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<v Speaker 2>can talk about this more accurately, but the American release

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<v Speaker 2>was heavily edited and inserted Raymond Burr, who was never

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<v Speaker 2>involved with principal filming anyway, right, his character Martin was

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<v Speaker 2>just not a part of the original story. And the

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<v Speaker 2>American version, if you ever get a chance to compare

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<v Speaker 2>it to the actual Japanese version, is a watered down mess.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a it's just ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>And the original I found, I mean again, i'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you guys talk about your thoughts on it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>found it to be an incredibly serious film and not

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<v Speaker 2>at all the sort of silly uh you know guy

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<v Speaker 2>that you know monster costume that that it sort of

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<v Speaker 2>Godzilla became recognized that as later. You know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a very dark, serious film. It would have been an

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<v Speaker 2>awesome anime, honestly. But but for what it is, I

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<v Speaker 5>Well everybody who has seen it thinks that, except for

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<v Speaker 5>Roger Ebert, well yeah, before.

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<v Speaker 1>Aside, you know, I think still, I mean, they the

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<v Speaker 1>American version gets gets a lot of grief and a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of hate. But honestly speaking, I think, uh, you know, under.

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<v Speaker 7>The circumstances, if the American version hadn't been.

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<v Speaker 1>Made the way it was, that film probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>never been released over.

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<v Speaker 7>Here, and this phenomenon may not have taken place that time.

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<v Speaker 1>At that period in time, you know, exploitation films were

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<v Speaker 1>all the rage, and.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, this was just a you know, one one

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<v Speaker 7>new commodity that the.

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<v Speaker 1>Producers in Hollywood could tap and say, okay, well we

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<v Speaker 1>have already made film here. But gee, that has nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with America. There's nothing that people can really

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<v Speaker 1>relate to. And you know, there's no stars, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing. But if we you know, add little footage

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<v Speaker 1>of our own and you know, put it out there.

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<v Speaker 7>We'll go see it. Because it's a it's a you know, monsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Monsters were selling at that time, but they needed a

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<v Speaker 1>way to sell it in the in the States, so

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<v Speaker 1>they made a version that could sell here, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what really opened the door not only for giant monster

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<v Speaker 1>films from Japan, but basically for it introduced Japanese cinema

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<v Speaker 1>to the Western world. I mean, you can talk all

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<v Speaker 1>you want about, you know, Ardhouse projects like Machaman and

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<v Speaker 1>that that we're getting seen in the West, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was just you know, a pimple on.

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<v Speaker 7>The face of the box office.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody there was no box office being generated by those

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<v Speaker 7>It was Honda's films.

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<v Speaker 1>That really made money for the Western world and introduced

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe that, you know, it was the right decision and

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<v Speaker 1>it was the right way to go. I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>that it's so terribly watered down that it's that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bad film and the way it was made, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, I think in some ways it's very genius

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<v Speaker 1>the way they they you know, put into it. Because

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<v Speaker 1>it took me many years before I really recognized what

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<v Speaker 1>they had done with it. And how they had had

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<v Speaker 1>masked the fact that he was not part of the

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<v Speaker 1>original production. You know, right now, it's easy for us

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<v Speaker 1>to see that because we have the convenience of video

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<v Speaker 1>where you can go back and watch the same film

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred times at your convenience.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know, way back in.

436
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<v Speaker 1>The fifties and sixties and seventies, and it was nothing

437
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<v Speaker 1>like that. I mean, if you're lucky, you saw it

438
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<v Speaker 1>on TV once every couple of years, and people weren't

439
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<v Speaker 1>able to sit there and overanalyze films like you can today.

440
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<v Speaker 1>And so for the time, this was I believe the

441
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<v Speaker 1>right decision for them to make, and it was quite

442
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<v Speaker 1>effective in getting these films held for the public and

443
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<v Speaker 1>opening the door for all these other films to come

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<v Speaker 1>to America.

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<v Speaker 8>Talked to us a little bit about the various film

446
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<v Speaker 8>periods that are surrounding Godzilla and his kin, like a

447
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<v Speaker 8>millennium and.

448
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<v Speaker 5>Showa, Yeah, Showa period is usually the period of Japanese

449
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<v Speaker 5>film that's supposed to coincide with I believe the life

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<v Speaker 5>of Emperor Hirohito is that corrected? Yes, yes, and that

451
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<v Speaker 5>officially ended.

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<v Speaker 2>What year did he die?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was eighty eighty or eighty nine, take

454
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<v Speaker 1>a must in eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, But when we get into the into Toho and

456
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<v Speaker 5>into Kaijuega and Terror b tokasats of films, when we

457
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<v Speaker 5>and we break them up into these different series, the Shoah,

458
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<v Speaker 5>the Heyse and the Millennium, they don't really coincide exactly

459
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<v Speaker 5>to what those specifically are. I mean, for instance, the

460
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<v Speaker 5>show a period for Godzilla films is considered to end

461
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<v Speaker 5>in nineteen seventy five with Terror of Mega Godzilla, and

462
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<v Speaker 5>the next film would be Godzilla nineteen eighty four, which

463
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<v Speaker 5>over here was Godzilla nineteen eighty five, and that's considered

464
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<v Speaker 5>the start of the Heyse series. But literally, but that

465
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<v Speaker 5>literally was a show of film too, because here here

466
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<v Speaker 5>that was still alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, as far as far as I know what I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen in Japan, I don't see anybody considering the eighty

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<v Speaker 1>four film as being a Heyse film. It's story wise,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's part of it you could consider as part

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<v Speaker 1>of that series.

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<v Speaker 7>But I mean, even if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at books that come out that call themselves Heysey

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<v Speaker 1>period eighty four is not included in that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, fandom over here though, they.

477
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<v Speaker 7>Pretty stuictly stick.

478
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<v Speaker 1>To the emperor's naming convention, you know, the Heyse Emperor

479
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<v Speaker 1>being Urahtha, right.

480
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<v Speaker 5>And so literally we're still in the hay Say period,

481
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<v Speaker 5>although again for fandom over here, the Heyesay period is

482
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<v Speaker 5>considered to end with Godzilla versus destoria In or Destroyer

483
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<v Speaker 5>or however you're going to pronounce it when nineteen ninety five,

484
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<v Speaker 5>and I think after that we had a lamentable American

485
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<v Speaker 5>version in nineteen ninety eight. And yeah, then Toho started

486
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<v Speaker 5>back up in nineteen ninety nine with Godzilla two thousand

487
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<v Speaker 5>and those series of films through Godzilla Final Wars in

488
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<v Speaker 5>two thousand and four are the Millennium series, although as

489
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<v Speaker 5>is to pointed out, technically they're they're still part of Hayse. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and I remains yet to be seen if we're going

491
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<v Speaker 5>to assign a new moniker to the films that are

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<v Speaker 5>coming out in the wake of shing Godza.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, I honestly this is what you want

494
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<v Speaker 7>to talk about. Pet peeve.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, one of the pet peeves is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>why why do people in especially in this country. I

497
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<v Speaker 1>think it's ridiculous that they refer to these films as

498
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<v Speaker 1>shoa and heyse because those terms have absolutely no meaning.

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<v Speaker 7>To people here.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, to me, it's easy enough to say

501
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<v Speaker 1>original series, the nineties series, and the you know, two

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of the.

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<v Speaker 7>Meletis to me, see, to me, it makes much more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like it's just like using you know, other

505
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<v Speaker 1>other you borrowed words from Japanese to describe what there's

506
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.640
<v Speaker 1>a perfectly valid translation.

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<v Speaker 7>For in English.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I think it's probably just like, you know,

509
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<v Speaker 1>a fandom thing that people like to do that, like

510
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<v Speaker 1>it's a way to you know, somehow own this in

511
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<v Speaker 1>a different way than you know, or distinguish it from from.

512
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<v Speaker 7>Other kinds of genres. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, it just never made that a whole lot

514
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<v Speaker 1>of sense why people would do that, other than they're

515
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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe trying to you know, sound more Japanese

516
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<v Speaker 1>or something, well like kaiju is you know, kaiju means monster.

517
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<v Speaker 1>So I really never quite got the idea of why

518
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<v Speaker 1>do we have to refer to monsters as kaiju because

519
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<v Speaker 1>they're monsters we you know, we don't call because there's

520
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>a perfectly valid and a translation for it. When when

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<v Speaker 1>you have words that there is no translation for I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure I can. I can easily see uh using a

523
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<v Speaker 1>Japanese term for that. But in case especially like something

524
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<v Speaker 1>like monsters, I always thought, why why would people even

525
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<v Speaker 1>use that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so it's funny that you bring that up. This

527
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<v Speaker 2>is not one of our prepared questions. But there is

528
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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing about within fandom. You know, you you

529
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<v Speaker 2>end up with something kind of like the word they

530
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:14.599
<v Speaker 2>use the shibbaleth, right. You get these.

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<v Speaker 6>Words that are kind of in group out group code words.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So when you know the words, it's a way

533
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<v Speaker 2>to tell other people that you have a mastery of

534
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>this subculture, right, or at least that's my thought, but

535
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<v Speaker 2>I am I.

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<v Speaker 8>Would agree with you with that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean people in fandom get really really involved

539
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<v Speaker 2>in all the nuances of minutia, both of the stuff

540
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>that happens inside these fantasy and fictional products properties and

541
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<v Speaker 2>outside culturally, with like the stories about the actors and

542
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<v Speaker 2>the directors and the trivia. And as a fan myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why I get so excited about that information,

544
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 2>but I love knowing more about it, and I hope

545
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<v Speaker 2>our listeners are enjoying this.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, especially like the idea that people want to

547
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<v Speaker 1>be interested in the information, because all too often, I

548
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:12.519
<v Speaker 1>think in fantom especially, people are far more interested in

549
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>toys and merchandise than they are about the actual films themselves.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, that's unfortunately.

551
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<v Speaker 1>That's why I have suspended publication of my magazine, because

552
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<v Speaker 1>I make this magazine and I research all the materials

553
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<v Speaker 1>and stuff to try and put together an interesting set

554
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<v Speaker 1>of articles. But people aren't that interested in buying magazines

555
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 1>because they have to read and learn, and it seems like,

556
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<v Speaker 1>you know, a piece of a hunk of vinyl that's

557
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<v Speaker 1>shaped vaguely in the shape of a monsters is a

558
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<v Speaker 1>hundred times more interesting to people.

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<v Speaker 7>So that kind of is a little bit depressing.

560
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<v Speaker 1>So it's nice to hear that there are people who

561
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<v Speaker 1>are interested in learning about the films, But you know,

562
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<v Speaker 1>to go back to the terminology, I guess the thing

563
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<v Speaker 1>I that that takes me back from that too is,

564
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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's almost like a way too, you know,

565
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>as you say, maybe it's like your your badge of

566
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.039
<v Speaker 1>honor for being a fan or something. But at the

567
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<v Speaker 1>same time, I also always feel that you know, people

568
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<v Speaker 1>who aren't that familiar with this but are interested in

569
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<v Speaker 1>the subject. It's a kind of way to exclude people

570
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<v Speaker 1>from from really sharing in the fandom.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, when when we have put.

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<v Speaker 1>Together our DVD commentaries and especially in writing the Honda book,

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<v Speaker 1>we go out of our way to not use those

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<v Speaker 1>kind of terms, because not everybody who's going to be

575
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<v Speaker 1>listening to our commentaries or reading the book are familiar

576
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>with that, and we're hoping that they will become familiar

577
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<v Speaker 1>and become fans.

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<v Speaker 7>But if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Start out talking kaiju and aga and terms and took

580
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<v Speaker 1>not to films like that or terms like that, you

581
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<v Speaker 1>wind up confusing and basically excluding people who aren't intimately

582
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<v Speaker 1>familiar with it. In an effort to try and get

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<v Speaker 1>everybody interested in this subject.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, we actually, Steve and I have gone out

585
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<v Speaker 7>of a way to kind of avoid using those kind

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<v Speaker 7>of terms.

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<v Speaker 8>Then you probably get people who complain thinking that you

588
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<v Speaker 8>should be using them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's which, which to which I always answer,

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<v Speaker 1>just what I told you is that I don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's not something I think that we should

592
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<v Speaker 1>be looking at as an exclusive club.

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<v Speaker 7>It's something that I'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to welcome everybody and I mean a lot of

595
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<v Speaker 1>the things that we do in terms of our research

596
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 1>is to point out to people that these are not,

597
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<v Speaker 1>according to popular myth, you know, cheap, cheesy, lousy films

598
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:55.759
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't care about, that they just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>made on the fly just to just to make a

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<v Speaker 1>great buck. No, they're there are films that people pour

601
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<v Speaker 1>their hearts and souls into making, and there's a lot

602
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.279
<v Speaker 1>of stories behind these people, and that's what you really

603
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<v Speaker 1>want to bring bring out to know the general public,

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<v Speaker 1>to give them an appreciation for the craftsmanship and the

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<v Speaker 1>work and the dedication of all these people to put

606
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<v Speaker 1>these films together.

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<v Speaker 7>Doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>The Honda biography is a perfect example of that.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, Honda.

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<v Speaker 1>You could talk to general film critics who are always

611
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<v Speaker 1>very dismissive of science fiction, and you'll bring up God's Luver,

612
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.359
<v Speaker 1>any of these Japanese science fiction films, and they're always

613
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<v Speaker 1>very dismissive, Oh, that guy was a hack, he's you know,

614
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<v Speaker 1>he's nobody. They're just you know, turning out product. They

615
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<v Speaker 1>don't really care. Well, nothing could be farther from the.

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<v Speaker 5>Truth, as you'll find out when you read a biography

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<v Speaker 5>on Honda. In fact, it's in the title of the

618
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 5>book goes, it's from God Dilah the kursaal Honda's I

619
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<v Speaker 5>think probably even I might it was far to say

620
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<v Speaker 5>that Honda's best friend in the world was a cure

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<v Speaker 5>at Curasaw, would you say.

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<v Speaker 7>That, ed, Yeah, that wouldn't be an accurate statement of

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<v Speaker 7>those two. They were like oil and water, their opposites,

624
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:12.599
<v Speaker 7>but they became best friends.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, the most famous and revered filmmaker in

626
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Japanese center history is Corrosawa. But Grosawa, you know, he

627
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.559
<v Speaker 1>always deferred to Honda, and he trusted his judgment implicitly

628
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<v Speaker 1>and felt he was everybody as talented a filmmaker as

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<v Speaker 1>he was. Just they worked on different projects and they

630
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<v Speaker 1>had different styles of working.

631
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<v Speaker 7>Once, once Honda had retired.

632
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<v Speaker 1>And Corrasawa was was struggling getting some film projects off

633
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>the ground, they kind of renewed their friendship that they

634
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<v Speaker 1>had struck up when they were both, you know, apprentice

635
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Speaker 1>filmmakers back at you know, when Tamba was first starting,

636
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and they just said, you know, let's get together and

637
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>let's let's go back to the old days and and

638
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.079
<v Speaker 1>just make movies the old way.

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00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 7>And that was what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>And they didn't really even see that there was much

641
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<v Speaker 1>of a dividing line between their duties. You know, Handa

642
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>was a very modest guy, so of course he always

643
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 1>uh deferred to Courtisawa and let him, you know, be

644
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>the lead man.

645
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 7>But behind the scenes he was everybodys and went on

646
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 7>these films as Corsawa was.

647
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to imagine Godzilla versus Tashira Mafuni, so could

648
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:32.119
<v Speaker 2>he withstand the Samurai attack? I don't know.

649
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.079
<v Speaker 5>One one of the actors who was inside the Godzilla costume,

650
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 5>Keempaturo Toshira Mafune is his favorite actor, And I don't

651
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.639
<v Speaker 5>really have anything else to add to them.

652
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 6>But there's so many monsters now that are in the

653
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:49.679
<v Speaker 6>Godzilla verse.

654
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Now, is there some uh? I sayd Godzilivers all the time,

655
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 2>But is there some Japanese name for that sort of

656
00:35:56.199 --> 00:36:00.159
<v Speaker 2>collection of those creatures in Gira's rode a Mathra Madre,

657
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:00.800
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing.

658
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.840
<v Speaker 7>I just call it the rogues gallery. I don't have

659
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 7>rogues gallery.

660
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I was curious, is there could you talk

661
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about how all these auxiliary monsters went

662
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 2>from being their own little feature film characters to becoming

663
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.639
<v Speaker 2>part of this bigger shared universe, because I mean this

664
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of in a way predates the sort of Marvel

665
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.039
<v Speaker 2>shared continuity with It's like the I don't know of

666
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:26.360
<v Speaker 2>any other property where they've done so much crossover.

667
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Speaker 5>Well, they kind of did in the old universal Monster

668
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:35.960
<v Speaker 5>films Frankenstein, Wolfman, and Dracula. Throughout the nineteen forties, those

669
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.760
<v Speaker 5>characters would end up in films together, and of course

670
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:45.719
<v Speaker 5>that had been done in literature before too, like everything

671
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 5>that Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote that all existed in the

672
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 5>same universe, and he wrote a.

673
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Lot of stuff.

674
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 5>But how though, like how they all ended up in

675
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:57.800
<v Speaker 5>the same universe together. I don't know if there's a

676
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 5>particular story about that. I just think that they made

677
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.760
<v Speaker 5>some of these movies separately, and then they decided to

678
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:07.119
<v Speaker 5>make movies where these two of these creatures would appear

679
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Speaker 5>in the same film together, and it worked. They had

680
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:11.679
<v Speaker 5>the movies made money, so they kept doing it.

681
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think it was really by design. It

682
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 1>was you started out in the fifties and they had

683
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 1>all these separate property or separate films that they were making.

684
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>There was never any idea of any particular continuity. It

685
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>had Godzilla, Rodin Mathra, various films like that that were made,

686
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and then at a certain point, as the box office

687
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>started getting decreasing a little bit and television started eroding

688
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 1>the market for.

689
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 7>Films, they're still looking to make more films.

690
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 1>And they could have continued trying one off properties, but

691
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, as King Congressus Godzilla showed them bringing back.

692
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 7>An old character.

693
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:58.199
<v Speaker 1>And in the case of Godzilla, Godzilla hadn't.

694
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 7>Appeared for what seven years since you know, the previous film.

695
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.000
<v Speaker 1>When they brought Godzilla back for King con Versus Godzilla,

696
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 1>that made money. So you know, being smart producers, they

697
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.199
<v Speaker 1>see what makes money and they decided to continue down

698
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the same.

699
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.519
<v Speaker 7>Path, and that meant, you know, making more Versus movies.

700
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.360
<v Speaker 1>And one of the best or easiest ways for them

701
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.039
<v Speaker 1>to do that was to rely on established characters which

702
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 1>we already had out there, and you know, on occasion

703
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.239
<v Speaker 1>adding new ones in so things like King Gidra appeared

704
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and were added. But basically it's it's you know, I

705
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.119
<v Speaker 1>think it was just a matter of judging the market

706
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 1>of what what was selling at that time and going

707
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:44.880
<v Speaker 1>forward with that.

708
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 8>So can you talk to us a little bit about

709
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 8>some of the common kid misconceptions and the falsehoods that

710
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:51.960
<v Speaker 8>are around.

711
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.039
<v Speaker 5>Well, moll no no alas I already mentioned, was the

712
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.519
<v Speaker 5>pronunciation of a gojira. But uh, yeah, there's there's one

713
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.840
<v Speaker 5>that's uh that was around for a very long time

714
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 5>that there were two endings to King Kong versus Godzilla,

715
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 5>which was never true.

716
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 7>There's only one ending of that film.

717
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 8>I wonder how that got started then.

718
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 5>Well, supposedly it was made popular and famous monsters of

719
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 5>film Land magazine. But I don't think Forrest j Ackerman.

720
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:18.199
<v Speaker 7>Made it up.

721
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.639
<v Speaker 5>I got because I met him once and I asked

722
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 5>him about it. I got the impression that he still

723
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 5>thought it was true. So I think that he misheard

724
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:29.239
<v Speaker 5>something or somebody else told him, And I don't know

725
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.159
<v Speaker 5>who that would be, maybe somebody at the at Universal.

726
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.039
<v Speaker 5>Something that's interesting about that, though, is that there are

727
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 5>some movies that actually do have two endings, and including

728
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 5>Japanese monster movies. One of them is Frankenstein Conquers the World,

729
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:47.079
<v Speaker 5>but only both of those endings are on the DVD.

730
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:49.159
<v Speaker 5>But I only think one of them ever actually was

731
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 5>shown theatrically. Yes, that's correct, which ending was shown Theatrically,

732
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Speaker 5>it's the one that has the giant Frankenstein monster killed

733
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:04.000
<v Speaker 5>them Unster Barragon and then shortly thereafter there's a landslide

734
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 5>and he's buried.

735
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's what I say.

736
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:12.159
<v Speaker 5>Okay, In the the alternate version, right after Frankenstein kills Barragon,

737
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:17.519
<v Speaker 5>a giant octopus crawls up out of the ocean and

738
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 5>grabs Frankenstein and pulls him under the water, actually out.

739
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Of the lake because they're up in the mountains in

740
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the Fuji area, which is very strange because generally octopus

741
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.679
<v Speaker 1>don't don't live in lakes, much less up in the mountains.

742
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 7>But it was very motivated. Yeah, but you.

743
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Know that that was the American side, who was co

744
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:44.519
<v Speaker 1>funding the production, had asked, or at least the story

745
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:48.719
<v Speaker 1>goes that they had asked that CD film, and ultimately

746
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.960
<v Speaker 1>when they saw it, they realized it didn't make any sense,

747
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 1>so they didn't use it. So you got the footage

748
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 1>that was made specifically for the American version that was

749
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 1>never shown in America and eventually only gout wound up

750
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 1>seeing in Japan.

751
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the that's a strange film, But I do

752
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>like this sort of pulp kind of feel that it

753
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.559
<v Speaker 2>has where you start out with the Nazis bringing the

754
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>heart of the frankeanstin Monster to Japan during World War

755
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Two and atomic exposure. It's a brutal film, it's got

756
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:32.559
<v Speaker 2>an American in it. Nick Adams, who's appeared in He

757
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:37.480
<v Speaker 2>appears in several Japanese productions.

758
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:39.199
<v Speaker 5>When Monster zero, and I think he was also might

759
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:41.840
<v Speaker 5>have been in some Japanese films that weren't Monster films.

760
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.639
<v Speaker 2>You know much about his involvement with Japanese cinema, Like

761
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.199
<v Speaker 2>how why Nick Adams, I mean, I mean, like how

762
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.840
<v Speaker 2>did he get that gig and become the American guy

763
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 2>for these Monsters?

764
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, they were looking for American things to sell these

765
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 1>films overseas, and one of the things that they can

766
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 1>used for that purpose was to get, you know, a

767
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.519
<v Speaker 1>well established Western actor, and Nick Adams happened to be

768
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 1>the guy that they got.

769
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 7>I think the story goes that originally they were trying.

770
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.800
<v Speaker 1>To get somebody like David Janssen to do the part,

771
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>but he turned it down and Nick Adams, whose career

772
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.719
<v Speaker 1>wasn't going all that well at the time, decided to

773
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>sign on. And Nick was kind of like a much

774
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:32.519
<v Speaker 1>more of a professional actor that you know, regardless of

775
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:35.519
<v Speaker 1>when these were a high bunch of Hollywood films or not,

776
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.000
<v Speaker 1>he still gave it us all and he did a

777
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>good job at what he was given to do. And

778
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 1>at least in Japan, among the staff and the director

779
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Handa and all his crew and the fellow actors, Nick

780
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 1>was a very popular guy because he really took it

781
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.039
<v Speaker 1>seriously and gave a good effort and everything he did,

782
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Speaker 1>unlike Russ Hamblin, who would follow in his footsteps and

783
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 1>do only one film in Japan, because he pretty much

784
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:08.199
<v Speaker 1>thought everything about the profession was beneath him, and he

785
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 1>treated the whole thing with a great amount of disdain

786
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 1>and as a result was never asked back because nobody

787
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>liked him there.

788
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Nick Adams his career was cut pretty short. He was

789
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:26.519
<v Speaker 2>still very young when he died, and I think it

790
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>was to me it looks I mean, well, I'm not

791
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 2>a policeman, but he was. He died of a drug overdose,

792
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:36.039
<v Speaker 2>if I remember correctly, But there some of his I

793
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:38.199
<v Speaker 2>think it was Forrest Tucker said he always thought he

794
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.519
<v Speaker 2>was murdered, but it seemed like a pretty obvious drug

795
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 2>overdose to me, But who do I know? Nick was

796
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.159
<v Speaker 2>in Die Monster Die, which had Boris Karloff in it

797
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and also was based on an HP Lefcraft story. But

798
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.280
<v Speaker 2>where I first saw Nick and loved his work was

799
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.679
<v Speaker 2>he did the movie version of No Time for Sergeants

800
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>with Maybe Griveth, which is just a fantastic movie.

801
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.199
<v Speaker 7>Well, he was the uple Johnny Immo he was.

802
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:04.039
<v Speaker 2>He was. I've never seen that show, but I knew

803
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:05.519
<v Speaker 2>that that was where he was. He got most of

804
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 2>his pop culture popularity, and he was apparently good friends

805
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>with James Dean but or at least claimed to be. Anyway,

806
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 2>died too young and is in a lot of films

807
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that are in my collection that I like a lot.

808
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 2>So any other misconceptions of falsehood do you want to

809
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:24.480
<v Speaker 2>talk about?

810
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know if it's necessarily falsehoods, but false impressions,

811
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 1>you know. Again, Japanese films tend to get a bad rap,

812
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.880
<v Speaker 1>especially the film some of the films from the fifties

813
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 1>that were brought over here, and that they're not cheap ye, Well,

814
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 1>the way they are americanized in many cases especially I'll

815
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 1>use Giantis, The Fire Monster and Battle and Outer Space

816
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.519
<v Speaker 1>as prime examples, the companies that brought them over here

817
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't really treat them with a whole big amount of respect,

818
00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:00.760
<v Speaker 1>and they they gave them what I would a laughable

819
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>dubbing tracks, which are not the fault of the the.

820
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.159
<v Speaker 7>Company that produced the movie. It's it's the company that's

821
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.920
<v Speaker 7>releasing over here. Their their their production of the American

822
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:18.239
<v Speaker 7>version was basically really poor, and unfortunately the films themselves

823
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 7>lined up suffering by that association you have. You know,

824
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.199
<v Speaker 7>like in Gigantis, you have one of the characters being

825
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:31.480
<v Speaker 7>in a basically a Yogi bear voice and some really

826
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.559
<v Speaker 7>terrible trite dialogue that they write for the for the

827
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 7>dubbing script.

828
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.679
<v Speaker 1>Uh, they you know would change out music, uh put

829
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 1>into you know, library music, or things that just weren't

830
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:45.239
<v Speaker 1>particularly appropriate.

831
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.920
<v Speaker 7>So Japanese films also kind.

832
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Of got a bad rap uh at that in the

833
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.920
<v Speaker 1>early stages, just because of you know, some very poor

834
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.039
<v Speaker 1>dubbing jobs. Things that were like the voices wouldn't match

835
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>the character on screen, the timing of the dubbing was.

836
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.719
<v Speaker 7>Bad, but the voice actors were extremely.

837
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Poor, and all that kind of stuff unfortunately rubs off

838
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:11.280
<v Speaker 1>on the film itself, and film's got a bad rap.

839
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:13.039
<v Speaker 7>Because of that, I.

840
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.159
<v Speaker 8>Was gonna ask why do you think they did that

841
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 8>to the movies again?

842
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.559
<v Speaker 7>You know, in the case of some of these films,

843
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:24.119
<v Speaker 7>these are you know, the.

844
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Producers and people who were bringing these products into the

845
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.119
<v Speaker 1>US market at the time. They're all just looking for

846
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.519
<v Speaker 1>a quick buck some kind of product to fill the

847
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:36.039
<v Speaker 1>double features up.

848
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:40.079
<v Speaker 7>With at that time. And some of them took a

849
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 7>lot of careen doing that.

850
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Some of them just found the cheapest way to do

851
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:47.599
<v Speaker 1>it possible, right, So, I mean that really varied company

852
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>by company. In the sixties, it was really like the

853
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:55.360
<v Speaker 1>best situation because of the company by the name of

854
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 1>American International picked up a lot of these films, and

855
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.360
<v Speaker 1>the studio that they had dubbing the films, Tytris Studios,

856
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.920
<v Speaker 1>did a fantastic job. They got real voice actors and

857
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>they wrote you know, professional dubbing scripts for these things,

858
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and they did.

859
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.960
<v Speaker 7>A fantastic job. Those those films sound really good.

860
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, those soundtracks are mostly lost today because American International

861
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.639
<v Speaker 1>went under and writes writes on some of those films

862
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 1>reverted to to and too will not use those dubbing

863
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:29.199
<v Speaker 1>tracks any longer.

864
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 7>So you have films like the Storal Monsters.

865
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Which I think original version and original American version is terrific.

866
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 1>But you hear the dubbing track that Tovo uses on

867
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.800
<v Speaker 1>their video releases now, that was a track that was

868
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 1>produced by them over in Asia, and it's atrocious and

869
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.840
<v Speaker 1>it makes the film. It makes the film sound sounded

870
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>look laughable. In comparison, it's really not the same film.

871
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:57.280
<v Speaker 7>You know.

872
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 1>The Storial Monsters is the film I love. I think

873
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.960
<v Speaker 1>after seeing the version that's out on video now where

874
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 1>they use the Toho's international dubbing track, bad version is

875
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>so terrible that if I had seen that version first,

876
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I probably wouldn't like that movie at all.

877
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:20.400
<v Speaker 2>So I'd like to talk about shin Godzilla, which some

878
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 2>people call Godzilla Resurgence. I guess that's the international title.

879
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 7>I think that was the official international title.

880
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you know the story of how that movie came

881
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to be? Because it seems quite different from the American version,

882
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 2>So this was like a new American version that they

883
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.440
<v Speaker 2>recently did twenty fourteen. But there is a big divergence

884
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>in all these timelines, and I guess that's really where

885
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:40.840
<v Speaker 2>this question is going.

886
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:46.239
<v Speaker 9>Is is there an overarching timeline or how you know,

887
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.000
<v Speaker 9>it's not like a reboot, but there's this weird shared

888
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 9>universe or multiverse of Godzilla properties, and how does Shin

889
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 9>Godzilla fit into that?

890
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Or is anyone trying to make a canonical sort of

891
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 2>encapsulation of all these properties. How does that work?

892
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.440
<v Speaker 5>Well, Shin Godzilla is its own entity, and as of

893
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 5>right now, it's the only film that exists in that universe,

894
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:13.280
<v Speaker 5>which is kind of unique because every time that they've

895
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.760
<v Speaker 5>rebooted the series before, they've always incorporated the first film.

896
00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:19.599
<v Speaker 5>They always said, like, nothing else happened except for the

897
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.079
<v Speaker 5>first movie. But this time this is completely starting over

898
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.960
<v Speaker 5>from scratch, so it's a remake in the sense that's correct.

899
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.480
<v Speaker 2>The tones really interesting. I mean, the original Godzilla was

900
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.119
<v Speaker 2>very very serious, as we talked about earlier, this one

901
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.800
<v Speaker 2>seems more political in nature. Could you talk a little

902
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>bit about what the theme is or I mean, I

903
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.320
<v Speaker 2>don't want to spoil the movie. I mean, in some sense,

904
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like you can't spoil giant monster movies if

905
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.679
<v Speaker 2>the point is to watch giant monster smashing stuff. But

906
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.079
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot going on in this film.

907
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.320
<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, there is a lot of political satire and

908
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 5>it almost like Doctor Strangelove. I don't want to put

909
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.519
<v Speaker 5>it in the say it's on the same level as

910
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.440
<v Speaker 5>Doctor Strangelove. You know, it's not anywhere close to being

911
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.480
<v Speaker 5>that good, but it's it's in.

912
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 7>It's kind of doing the same thing. A friend of

913
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 7>mine who didn't like.

914
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.559
<v Speaker 5>It compared it to a bad episode of The West

915
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:21.719
<v Speaker 5>Wing with a monster in it.

916
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:25.119
<v Speaker 2>It was a divergent not just in the history, but

917
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:29.480
<v Speaker 2>like the the way Godzilla appears, the Godzilla doesn't just

918
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.119
<v Speaker 2>appear the way he appears at the end of the film.

919
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:36.000
<v Speaker 2>There's there's some things happening to his physio physical representation

920
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:37.159
<v Speaker 2>throughout the course of the film.

921
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, in the Kawakita era, Kawakita was really keen

922
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 1>on showing different phases of all the different monsters, so

923
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.679
<v Speaker 1>you'll see, outside of Godzilla, just about every other creature

924
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 1>had multiple forms. That was his way to just get

925
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:56.239
<v Speaker 1>more more creatures in a film. And even with Godzilla,

926
00:50:56.280 --> 00:51:00.480
<v Speaker 1>you had the progression from baby to the whole to

927
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Junior too vibe Godzila after the parent melted down, So

928
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>that's not unusual to see that in these films, But

929
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:18.360
<v Speaker 1>for having Godzilla himself go through any kind of changes.

930
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 7>This was certainly a unique thing. You should say who

931
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:23.039
<v Speaker 7>Kalakita is.

932
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Kalakita is the special effects director for the films that

933
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.199
<v Speaker 1>were made during the late eighties in the nineties. You know,

934
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.079
<v Speaker 1>if I could just for a moment go back to

935
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the political thing, because one thing I really want to

936
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.159
<v Speaker 1>mention about that is I yues the you know shin

937
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Godzilla itself is actually a very political movie, and in

938
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>some ways that's one of the things that I do

939
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:53.199
<v Speaker 1>not appreciate about it because it kind of stands on

940
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the head of what Honda had intended to do with

941
00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Godzilla and why Godzila was created. You know, Godzilla has

942
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 1>never been, at least in my opinion, has not been

943
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>a political symbol, or the movies haven't really been political.

944
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:15.039
<v Speaker 1>They've been about themes that are kind of universal humanistic things.

945
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:19.039
<v Speaker 1>And the fact that they would take Godzilla and use

946
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 1>it for blatantly political means in this film, I find

947
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:27.920
<v Speaker 1>that a little bit disturbing to me. Maybe I take

948
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it a little differently because I'm so closely associated with

949
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:36.239
<v Speaker 1>this the Honda book and so interested in on the

950
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.760
<v Speaker 1>career and his intentions for these films, But it kind

951
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.679
<v Speaker 1>of bothers me that the film is used in this

952
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:47.400
<v Speaker 1>way not so much to political satire, because I mean, well,

953
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 1>that's that's kind of like the In fact, I don't

954
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:56.280
<v Speaker 1>think that that's particularly special or particularly good feature of

955
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 1>this film, because it's such an easy thing to do.

956
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, the Japanese got and is famous for being

957
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:07.039
<v Speaker 1>very slow and very bureaucratic, and so that's, you know,

958
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:09.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty much like low hanging fruit. And I think that

959
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:13.400
<v Speaker 1>anybody could make a pretty clever satire of the Japanese government.

960
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:18.199
<v Speaker 1>But the thing that bothers me much more is the

961
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 1>highly nationalistic viewpoint that this film takes. You know, that

962
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:28.440
<v Speaker 1>pretty much promotes the idea that Japan should disregard the

963
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 1>constitution and change it and make the military in Japan

964
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:33.840
<v Speaker 1>pretty much.

965
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:37.639
<v Speaker 7>Independent and able to do what they want. And I.

966
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Think, back up, and I can't tell that mister Honda

967
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 1>would have thought about that, but I would think that

968
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:49.480
<v Speaker 1>he'd be highly disappointed that, you know, his the the

969
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 1>film property that he created for an entirely different purposes

970
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 1>now being used for this kind of political It's story

971
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:03.400
<v Speaker 1>full with the points because Godzilla is never about politics, is.

972
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:09.320
<v Speaker 7>Always about uh, you know, the.

973
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Optimism for for human beings cooperation, warning against nuclear energy

974
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and all the dangers that it has inherited it, but not,

975
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, not for making a latantly political statement such

976
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>as this film does.

977
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 7>That's one of the things that really disturbed me about it.

978
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.039
<v Speaker 5>I said before that I would probably like the film

979
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.199
<v Speaker 5>more if it were not Godzilla in it.

980
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:36.159
<v Speaker 7>If it had been.

981
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:38.880
<v Speaker 5>A completely original film and they made up an entirely

982
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:44.119
<v Speaker 5>new monster, I'm much more prone to to enjoying the film.

983
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.599
<v Speaker 5>Although we should make the point here that whatever we

984
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:51.679
<v Speaker 5>think of it, the movie has done gangbuster business in Japan,

985
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:56.239
<v Speaker 5>and in fact won several awards, including Best Picture in

986
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:59.079
<v Speaker 5>the Japanese Academy Awards.

987
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.599
<v Speaker 1>That's very true, and I think, you know that at

988
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:04.239
<v Speaker 1>least the way I look at this film is, and

989
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.320
<v Speaker 1>why I think it wound up being so popular in Japan,

990
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:10.920
<v Speaker 1>is that it's Godzilla for people who don't.

991
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:12.480
<v Speaker 7>Care about Godzilla.

992
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, you know, it's focus is not very much

993
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:20.039
<v Speaker 1>on Godzilla himself. It's on all this political satire, and

994
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 1>then they kind of sneak in the you know, the

995
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:26.800
<v Speaker 1>nationalistic bent towards the end of the movie. A lot

996
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 1>of you know, a lot of people who don't normally

997
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:32.119
<v Speaker 1>go see these kind of films want to see this film.

998
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.039
<v Speaker 7>That's why I looked at wound up being so.

999
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Popular and in my company because I am My business

1000
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:43.960
<v Speaker 1>is headquartered in Japan, so I have multiple trips there

1001
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:47.719
<v Speaker 1>each year, and you know, a lot of people in

1002
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the office in Japan know that, you know, I'm really

1003
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.679
<v Speaker 1>interested in Gonzulla, so they've they all went to see it.

1004
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.079
<v Speaker 7>They were all interested to talk to me about it.

1005
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:59.840
<v Speaker 1>And almost to a person, everybody thought that, you know,

1006
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons they really liked this film was

1007
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 1>because it shows Japan supposedly acting on their own and

1008
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:10.159
<v Speaker 1>solving their own problems, and you know that kind of

1009
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.519
<v Speaker 1>and of course they also enjoyed making fun of the government.

1010
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 1>But you know, the only thing that they didn't talk

1011
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.239
<v Speaker 1>about was Godzia. They didn't really seem to really care

1012
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.679
<v Speaker 1>about that because Godzilla was just the reason for that

1013
00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 1>for all this political satire, and that was what in general,

1014
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:33.599
<v Speaker 1>at least in the small sample size of the people

1015
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 1>that I talked to are in Midway fans, That's what

1016
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.760
<v Speaker 1>people were kind of really latching onto as far as

1017
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:44.199
<v Speaker 1>what made it popular for them.

1018
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I find it really interesting how Japan has changed. I

1019
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:51.840
<v Speaker 2>mean since like before World War Two, you know, hugely

1020
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 2>imperialistic military power, and so since World War Two they're literal,

1021
00:56:56.880 --> 00:57:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I guess legally mandated behavior has been more pacifistic, and

1022
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, they've been more involved, and I think people

1023
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:11.519
<v Speaker 2>tend to think of it more as a technological, capitalistic,

1024
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:18.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, culture than as a political military power, right,

1025
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's because of how efficient they were, and my goodness,

1026
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 2>they were really good at being a military imperialistic government.

1027
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:33.320
<v Speaker 2>They were very effective. But so to see this is

1028
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:37.000
<v Speaker 2>quite a shift. As you say, I guess the themes

1029
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of the older film for more about the dangers of

1030
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.920
<v Speaker 2>that everybody faces, all countries face with the nuclear power,

1031
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 2>nuclear bombs, and I imagine that Godzilla in the Godzilla verse,

1032
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>there have been other sort of overarching human problems that

1033
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean right now, I find Godzilla versus Hetera to

1034
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:03.719
<v Speaker 2>be more effective message about the dangers of pollution than

1035
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the crying Native American from the commercials in the seventies.

1036
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:10.599
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, when I think about using Godzilla for

1037
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:16.320
<v Speaker 2>our using Kaiju in general, as these would that the

1038
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:20.800
<v Speaker 2>symbolic archetype type of things. Can you think of some

1039
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 2>other cases where any kaiju have been used this way.

1040
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.280
<v Speaker 5>I think you're asking where, how, in what various ways

1041
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:29.719
<v Speaker 5>the films have been used to address social and political

1042
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 5>issues other than hetero which you just mentioned. Another film,

1043
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:40.639
<v Speaker 5>Godzilla's Revenge or also known as All Monsters Attack. It

1044
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:42.400
<v Speaker 5>gets a little bit confusing because a lot of these

1045
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:44.880
<v Speaker 5>movies have multiple titles, so we're not always sure about

1046
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.920
<v Speaker 5>what movie we're talking about. But this is the nineteen

1047
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:51.039
<v Speaker 5>sixty nine film where pretty much all the monsters are

1048
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:55.320
<v Speaker 5>just imaginary in this kid's head, and that film was

1049
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:59.840
<v Speaker 5>used to address the latch key kid phenomenon that was

1050
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:03.320
<v Speaker 5>going on in Japan at that time, if I'm correct again,

1051
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:06.679
<v Speaker 5>another social issue that that's again it's kind of I

1052
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:07.760
<v Speaker 5>don't really think gill has.

1053
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:09.760
<v Speaker 7>Ever been used for political purposes of tilis.

1054
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:15.159
<v Speaker 1>But another example would be ban which is warning against

1055
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:18.199
<v Speaker 1>the ages of biotechnology.

1056
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's when the Monsters is crossed with a rose bush.

1057
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:21.280
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1058
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:28.440
<v Speaker 2>All Monsters Attack is strange because it's probably my least

1059
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:34.280
<v Speaker 2>favorite of the films from the storyline perspective, but it

1060
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.400
<v Speaker 2>has so many awesome monsters in it, right, So you

1061
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.880
<v Speaker 2>know that's the is that the only film with Kumonga

1062
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:41.599
<v Speaker 2>it maybe oh no.

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00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:45.159
<v Speaker 5>No, no, In fact, that was stock footage Kumonga also

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00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 5>known as Spiga. That's that's another thing that changes names

1065
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:51.039
<v Speaker 5>a lot, A lot of these monster names changed. But uh,

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00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:55.039
<v Speaker 5>it was from Son of Godzilla, and I think the.

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00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 7>Island in that movie is Soulgill Island.

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00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I need to rewatch that, so Senat Godzilla.

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01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:07.559
<v Speaker 10>Is Minya yet And also I think also that monster Kumonga, Spiga,

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01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Speaker 10>whatever you want to call it, is also in Destroy

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01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 10>All Monsters Briefly, but I think that's stock footage too.

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01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:14.800
<v Speaker 2>And I guess does he show up or she? I'm

1073
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.440
<v Speaker 2>not really sure if it's a girl, but that is

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01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:20.440
<v Speaker 2>in Final Wars Part one or two, I don't remember.

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01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, and I assume it's is she just because

1076
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:28.320
<v Speaker 5>it's a spider. But yeah, also in the also in

1077
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 5>Final Wars.

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01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I assume that. Again, this is me making

1079
01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:34.440
<v Speaker 2>an assumption that may not be quite right. The there

1080
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.480
<v Speaker 2>is a there's a very similar monster in Kong Skull

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01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:41.320
<v Speaker 2>Island that certainly looks, if not directly supposed to be

1082
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 2>kamong it looks very similar spider. Yea very cool Uh yeah,

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01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:51.519
<v Speaker 2>so I just got I finally got to see I had.

1084
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.519
<v Speaker 2>I had to see that movie twice to see it

1085
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.039
<v Speaker 2>completely because we had a little family emergency come up

1086
01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:59.639
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the first attempt. So I now

1087
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:03.880
<v Speaker 2>have that successfully under my belt. And if listeners managed

1088
01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to go see the film, if you like giant monsters,

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01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:08.679
<v Speaker 2>I highly recommend it. I don't know if you'll like

1090
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:11.159
<v Speaker 2>the plot, but boy howdy, they do some fun giant

1091
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:14.679
<v Speaker 2>monster stuff in there, and you stay to the end credits, right,

1092
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.280
<v Speaker 2>great fun there at the end.

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01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes, please don't tell me one of those guys I

1094
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:19.360
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it.

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01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:23.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm pleased with the way that the legendary monster

1096
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:25.159
<v Speaker 5>versus panning out there.

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01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.360
<v Speaker 7>I don't like everything.

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01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:29.079
<v Speaker 5>That's been done in those two films, but for the

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01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:30.960
<v Speaker 5>most part, I like them more than not.

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01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:37.440
<v Speaker 2>They're very expensive to make, and I guess now they're

1101
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:41.599
<v Speaker 2>more expensive. But you know, CGI looks fantastic now in

1102
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:44.480
<v Speaker 2>ways that it didn't before. It used to be very

1103
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.559
<v Speaker 2>flat looking in a three dimensional world. The new stuff's

1104
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.800
<v Speaker 2>looking better. But you know, the way TV definitions are increasing.

1105
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:53.679
<v Speaker 2>When you watch these movies at home, sometimes it's for

1106
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.840
<v Speaker 2>me at least, it's hard to enjoy CG work compared

1107
01:01:56.840 --> 01:02:00.920
<v Speaker 2>to practical effects, and so I like to watch old

1108
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:06.360
<v Speaker 2>movies sometimes in these Blu ray releases and then surprised.

1109
01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:11.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm always surprised when the old practical effects look phenomenal.

1110
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it just looks so good, and then the

1111
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.119
<v Speaker 2>CG looks clunky. It's almost problem.

1112
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:19.400
<v Speaker 7>The CGI for me is nothing.

1113
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:26.119
<v Speaker 5>No other effect ages as poorly as CGI, and something

1114
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:29.639
<v Speaker 5>that was done even as recently as five years ago

1115
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:33.719
<v Speaker 5>can age really bad, whereas you don't have that problem

1116
01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:37.400
<v Speaker 5>with stop motion or suitmation or virtually anything else.

1117
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:41.199
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what it again, is a cost issue, imagine,

1118
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:44.639
<v Speaker 2>but I mean people, as More's law takes effect and

1119
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:47.840
<v Speaker 2>computers get more and more powerful, it becomes possible to

1120
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:52.159
<v Speaker 2>do some really incredible rendering on less expensive machines, and

1121
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:56.639
<v Speaker 2>copyright kind of prevents this. But I maybe in my lifetime,

1122
01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and they've extended it so long, but maybe some of

1123
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Speaker 2>these films will get some really nice, you know, fan

1124
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.360
<v Speaker 2>based touch up work or something. Maybe it's not within

1125
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:07.039
<v Speaker 2>the power of these movie companies to put together the

1126
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.159
<v Speaker 2>funding to like fix and I would I'm very hesitant

1127
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:13.119
<v Speaker 2>an artistic question. These guys were doing the best they

1128
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:19.320
<v Speaker 2>could with what they had, but it's also this incredibly

1129
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:24.920
<v Speaker 2>rich treasure trove of material that some you know, young

1130
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:27.280
<v Speaker 2>people today may not even want to bother with because

1131
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:31.000
<v Speaker 2>the effects don't look as good. So now my kids

1132
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.639
<v Speaker 2>have really enjoyed them. But I don't know if it's

1133
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 2>universal because some people were like, oh, that looks lame,

1134
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and they never really get in and enjoy the film.

1135
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:40.280
<v Speaker 2>You got to get past the disbelief part, I think

1136
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:44.320
<v Speaker 2>to really get a good experience here. There's an animated

1137
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Godzilla project in the works.

1138
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was just announced that at least in

1139
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.199
<v Speaker 1>our market, it's going to be on Netflix.

1140
01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh interesting, okay, and this is going to be direct

1141
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:59.239
<v Speaker 2>to Netflix, Like, do we know how many episodes there

1142
01:03:59.239 --> 01:03:59.719
<v Speaker 2>are going to be?

1143
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:02.400
<v Speaker 7>Thing? It's supposed to be a feature film.

1144
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, So it's a feature film, but it's done

1145
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:09.280
<v Speaker 2>in a is it computer animated style or traditional.

1146
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm not sure yet what they call it

1147
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:17.440
<v Speaker 1>computer graphic animation, but I really don't know what it's

1148
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:19.000
<v Speaker 1>going to look like. If it's going to be something

1149
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:23.000
<v Speaker 1>like Final Fantasy kind of thing where they trans render everything,

1150
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, or whether it's just going to be your

1151
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:32.039
<v Speaker 1>traditional cell animation augmented by computers. I mean that's until

1152
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:35.880
<v Speaker 1>we start seeing something, you know, some some actual frames

1153
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:37.760
<v Speaker 1>from it, it's hard to say what it's going to be.

1154
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Like.

1155
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:42.639
<v Speaker 5>The company responsible is called Polygon Pictures. They're the same

1156
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:46.719
<v Speaker 5>people who did the Clone Wars TV show, and I

1157
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Speaker 5>think they exclusively do three D animation, although some of

1158
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 5>the stuff that they've done looks a lot like cell

1159
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.000
<v Speaker 5>animation interesting, which I would be very pleased if that's

1160
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.239
<v Speaker 5>the route they went if if they if it, the

1161
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:04.480
<v Speaker 5>more it looks like cell animation rather than three D,

1162
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:05.639
<v Speaker 5>the happier I'd be.

1163
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:09.199
<v Speaker 7>I think it would be a much better choice. I

1164
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:10.079
<v Speaker 7>would agree with that.

1165
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:12.840
<v Speaker 2>And when you say three D, you don't mean like

1166
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.440
<v Speaker 2>put on the glasses, you mean three D style, whereas

1167
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:18.280
<v Speaker 2>like it's got depth to it. Okay, yeah, yeah, we

1168
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:21.559
<v Speaker 2>don't really have a term around here exactly at my house,

1169
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:24.480
<v Speaker 2>but my son is really when we talk about an

1170
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.239
<v Speaker 2>animated film, he always wants to know if it's going

1171
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:29.639
<v Speaker 2>to look more like a flat you know, two D

1172
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.719
<v Speaker 2>or a three D rendering. But he's we're a little

1173
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:34.440
<v Speaker 2>unclear what the best term for that is. But I

1174
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:36.440
<v Speaker 2>like that. I mean, it just gets confusing when people

1175
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:38.559
<v Speaker 2>think you need to put on glasses versus not but

1176
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:45.679
<v Speaker 2>fully rendered spaces versus celle base rendering. It's it is

1177
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:49.159
<v Speaker 2>amazing what can be done. It just surprises me how

1178
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:55.400
<v Speaker 2>expensive it is because there the it seems like, no

1179
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:57.719
<v Speaker 2>matter how much people are able to do at home,

1180
01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:01.599
<v Speaker 2>the price the movie studio claim for the cost of

1181
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:03.800
<v Speaker 2>producing these things keeps going up and up and up,

1182
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and you know, fans and amateurs can do such astonishing work,

1183
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:14.199
<v Speaker 2>and I just I'm always confounded that it's so expensive

1184
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:16.480
<v Speaker 2>in such a lengthy process to bring these things out

1185
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:19.239
<v Speaker 2>to the market when you know the demand is always

1186
01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:20.599
<v Speaker 2>going to exceed the ability to produce.

1187
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:24.519
<v Speaker 11>I suppose the thing this company has done that I

1188
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:27.679
<v Speaker 11>think looks the best with something called Knights of Sidonia

1189
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:33.039
<v Speaker 11>that also is supposed to be That's exactly what I said.

1190
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.599
<v Speaker 11>It's a three D animation, but.

1191
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:38.679
<v Speaker 5>It looks like it's sell animation, so I'm happy with it.

1192
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:43.880
<v Speaker 5>Is that s id or seed s I d o Nia.

1193
01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:46.199
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. I wonder if it's related to Mars in

1194
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:49.639
<v Speaker 2>some way. There's that whole Sardonia that's where the face

1195
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.280
<v Speaker 2>on Mars region is. So there's a new sequel coming

1196
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.079
<v Speaker 2>out to the Godzilla twenty fourteen that looks like it's

1197
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:00.679
<v Speaker 2>going to somehow tie into what's being done with Kong

1198
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:02.400
<v Speaker 2>on Skull Island.

1199
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:07.360
<v Speaker 5>Supposedly in a new film, or Godzilla King of the

1200
01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:11.119
<v Speaker 5>Monsters as they're calling it, that's going to have Rodin,

1201
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:15.480
<v Speaker 5>Matra and King Geedra all. So all four monsters supposedly,

1202
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.079
<v Speaker 5>which I'm not sure that's such a great idea to

1203
01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:23.719
<v Speaker 5>do so soon, I think spread out over a couple

1204
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:25.840
<v Speaker 5>of films. I mean, when in the original Geezer the

1205
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.440
<v Speaker 5>Three Headed Monster, you also had all four monsters, but

1206
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.480
<v Speaker 5>most of the monsters had already been established in previous movies.

1207
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. So from a

1208
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:40.960
<v Speaker 2>storytelling perspective, it's it's probably more acceptable to your brain

1209
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:43.320
<v Speaker 2>to ease yourself into a world with these giant monsters

1210
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:45.039
<v Speaker 2>rather than they said, lee, there were not and now

1211
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:47.039
<v Speaker 2>there's a look at this, you know, here's all of them.

1212
01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:48.639
<v Speaker 2>You know. Well.

1213
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:50.760
<v Speaker 1>One of the problems, one of the problems I've seen

1214
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:54.920
<v Speaker 1>to that is that you wind up just kind of

1215
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.480
<v Speaker 1>escalating things so quickly that you need yourself no room

1216
01:07:58.480 --> 01:07:59.360
<v Speaker 1>to go on a feature.

1217
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:01.880
<v Speaker 7>Because I used.

1218
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.679
<v Speaker 1>To always told people when I saw the First Adventures,

1219
01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:07.440
<v Speaker 1>It's like, Okay, well that was really great, but where

1220
01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:10.039
<v Speaker 1>do you go from there? Because I don't know, how

1221
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:12.599
<v Speaker 1>are you going to top that in terms of the

1222
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:15.440
<v Speaker 1>spectacle at the end. And sure enough, I mean what

1223
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you got with the second film is pretty much exactly

1224
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:20.279
<v Speaker 1>the same thing, the big giant battle with lots of

1225
01:08:21.600 --> 01:08:24.680
<v Speaker 1>minions from the other side that you have a big, long,

1226
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:29.399
<v Speaker 1>extended battle with. But you really can't go too much

1227
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.640
<v Speaker 1>farther beyond that. And if you do something like this

1228
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:36.600
<v Speaker 1>where you're going to start adding three four extra monsters

1229
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:38.720
<v Speaker 1>in it and having a big battle with them, then

1230
01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:41.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's next. You have to have ten monsters

1231
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.000
<v Speaker 1>in the next month and fifteen in the next month.

1232
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:49.239
<v Speaker 1>It just you just set yourself up for not being

1233
01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:52.039
<v Speaker 1>able to top yourself, or if you do try to

1234
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:55.640
<v Speaker 1>top yourself, you wind up taking something that that just

1235
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.800
<v Speaker 1>winds up starting to get ridiculous because because it's to

1236
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:04.880
<v Speaker 1>be like overblown. So that's that's that's my concern with

1237
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.159
<v Speaker 1>them going this far this fast.

1238
01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:10.319
<v Speaker 2>And also it comes into the thing about in the

1239
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:14.760
<v Speaker 2>reboot of Godzilla, they introduced the idea of Muto's and

1240
01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:16.600
<v Speaker 2>that's what the I don't know if you'll call them

1241
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:19.199
<v Speaker 2>the villains of the film were, but these are massive

1242
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:24.159
<v Speaker 2>unidentified terrestrial organisms. The thing is, though, that's like UFOs, right,

1243
01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:28.079
<v Speaker 2>It's it's a it's a classification of an unknown phenomena.

1244
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:33.239
<v Speaker 2>But the monsters themselves represent only one of basically any

1245
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:36.119
<v Speaker 2>class of unknown monster that's going to appear after this.

1246
01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:39.520
<v Speaker 2>So until you identify it, it's a muto, no matter

1247
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:43.159
<v Speaker 2>what it looks like. Right. So it's a strange approach

1248
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:45.520
<v Speaker 2>because they make reference to that in the Kong film,

1249
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:49.800
<v Speaker 2>and I'm curious if that happened, and this is this

1250
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.479
<v Speaker 2>is just me being an herb, but what's going to

1251
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:54.279
<v Speaker 2>happen to the two creatures we saw in the first

1252
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Godzilla film. If Muto's are an entire class, those things

1253
01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:03.359
<v Speaker 2>will need their own specific name, right, so to sort

1254
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:06.520
<v Speaker 2>of differentiate them from all the other unknown Course, the

1255
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:08.439
<v Speaker 2>new ones, we already know what they are, at least

1256
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:11.239
<v Speaker 2>in the sense that, as you say, these monsters are

1257
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:13.319
<v Speaker 2>going to appear in the next Godzilla film. I find

1258
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:16.000
<v Speaker 2>it really interesting because I like all of these monsters

1259
01:10:16.039 --> 01:10:19.279
<v Speaker 2>and I like to see them, and it's always been

1260
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:22.880
<v Speaker 2>a problem with these from a narrative perspective that most

1261
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:26.800
<v Speaker 2>humans are only concerned with humans for storylines, right, So

1262
01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:29.600
<v Speaker 2>the drama comes from what happens to people, So they

1263
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.399
<v Speaker 2>always have to tack on a human story to make

1264
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:35.159
<v Speaker 2>us enjoy the monster story, or at least that's what

1265
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:37.399
<v Speaker 2>the people who produce these seem to believe. I'm not

1266
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:40.760
<v Speaker 2>sure it's true. I feel pretty comfortable that I could

1267
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:43.680
<v Speaker 2>watch a movie with just a bunch of monsters doing stuff.

1268
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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily need to have a love interest and

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01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:50.560
<v Speaker 2>a human villain and all those other complications to enjoy

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01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:53.680
<v Speaker 2>the films. But since they won't get made unless somebody

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01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.760
<v Speaker 2>is willing to dump millions of dollars into it, and

1272
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:01.800
<v Speaker 2>those approvals are always going to require those basic, basic

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01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.760
<v Speaker 2>narrative tools, I guess I'm out of luck until I

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01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:08.520
<v Speaker 2>get the ability to or until fans were able to

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01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:09.680
<v Speaker 2>do these sort of things on their own.

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01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:10.159
<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

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01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:12.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Is that Do you ever just sort

1278
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:13.920
<v Speaker 2>of wish that they could just do monster movies with

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01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:15.960
<v Speaker 2>giant monsters and not instually have to have people.

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01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:18.840
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if I ever thought that.

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01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, negative, Actually, that's probably another one of the

1282
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.640
<v Speaker 1>reasons I didn't care about for shing guys, well, because

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01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:31.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty much there is no human story in that, and

1284
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:34.880
<v Speaker 1>there's it's almost I guess in a way, they try

1285
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:37.399
<v Speaker 1>to make it more like a documentary because there's really

1286
01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:40.279
<v Speaker 1>no characters or no people you get to know, where

1287
01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:42.800
<v Speaker 1>people who have any story behind them. They're just kind

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01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of like they're there and they're reacting and okay, that's it,

1289
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:49.359
<v Speaker 1>but there's really no particular story to it.

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01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel like we're about to enter what could

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01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:55.800
<v Speaker 2>even be a renaissance or a disaster, and we won't

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01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:57.600
<v Speaker 2>really know until it happens.

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01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:01.119
<v Speaker 7>I don't know that that's gonna be any new.

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01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I think this you know again, you guys will, to

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01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:07.520
<v Speaker 1>me strikes me as a one off effort. Okay, So

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01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:09.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it's necessarily going to lead and

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01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:13.680
<v Speaker 1>be the leader in a certain direction or not. I

1298
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:15.600
<v Speaker 1>think it would be very difficult for them to follow

1299
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:20.000
<v Speaker 1>up and continue that storyline, especially since Donald was not

1300
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:25.039
<v Speaker 1>interested in going further with it. So I think probably

1301
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:28.000
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a lot like the uh, you know,

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01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the millenniums millennium films, where the next film is just

1303
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:36.439
<v Speaker 1>going to be yet again somebody else's take on the

1304
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:36.960
<v Speaker 1>same thing.

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01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:38.680
<v Speaker 7>Well, if you.

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01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Could see them redo any of these other properties that

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01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.279
<v Speaker 2>haven't already been scheduled, what what what other monster movie

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01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.560
<v Speaker 2>would you be interested in seeing them revisit?

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01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, honestly, I just aid see somebody try something new

1310
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:55.720
<v Speaker 1>instead of constantly going after remaking and remaking and remaking.

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01:12:56.039 --> 01:13:00.920
<v Speaker 5>Well, I mentioned that I'm fond of the British monter Gordo,

1312
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:02.319
<v Speaker 5>so I'd like to see that again.

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01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think my favorite, just as far as standalone films,

1314
01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:10.479
<v Speaker 2>might have been Rodin. And I don't want to spoil

1315
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:13.800
<v Speaker 2>it for anybody, but I love the I think they've

1316
01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:15.439
<v Speaker 2>had time to see it though, right, don't you so?

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01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I could? I loved it? How in the In the

1318
01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:26.880
<v Speaker 2>story the the there's something happening in this mine and

1319
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:29.960
<v Speaker 2>they're not really clear on what's going on exactly, and

1320
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.760
<v Speaker 2>then they find out there's these giant worm monsters and

1321
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:36.279
<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh no, these giant worm monsters are you know,

1322
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:40.600
<v Speaker 2>it's causing earthquake type effects. It's killing minors, and you're like,

1323
01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.000
<v Speaker 2>that's horrific. They're so big and dangerous. And then you

1324
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:49.000
<v Speaker 2>find out that those are just the things that Rodin eats.

1325
01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:52.319
<v Speaker 2>That's just his food for baby Rodin. I mean, you know,

1326
01:13:52.479 --> 01:13:55.640
<v Speaker 2>and there's more than one. So that's the kind of

1327
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.680
<v Speaker 2>almost love crafty and level shocker that just blew me

1328
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 2>away when I was a kid. And you know, and

1329
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:07.159
<v Speaker 2>I think it, you know, it suffers from the special

1330
01:14:07.159 --> 01:14:10.199
<v Speaker 2>effects don't hold up so well. But I love that

1331
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:13.600
<v Speaker 2>story and I would love to see that kind of

1332
01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:16.359
<v Speaker 2>level of surprise in a monster film, and that's very

1333
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:20.800
<v Speaker 2>unusual for them to It's hard to come up with surprises,

1334
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:25.479
<v Speaker 5>So that's one of the few films where I would

1336
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:27.560
<v Speaker 5>say a case could be made for saying that the

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01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:30.840
<v Speaker 5>American versions actually superior to the original Japanese version.

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01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, what's the difference of Rodin?

1339
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:37.920
<v Speaker 5>Well, in both films you have two Rodin monsters, but

1340
01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:43.119
<v Speaker 5>in the American version, the second monster is introduced much

1341
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:47.600
<v Speaker 5>much earlier, and in the Japanese version it's just like

1342
01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:51.279
<v Speaker 5>thrown in there almost at the last minute, very nonchalantly,

1343
01:14:52.079 --> 01:14:53.239
<v Speaker 5>almost like an afterthought.

1344
01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it kind of comes out of nowhere, like well,

1345
01:14:56.479 --> 01:14:59.119
<v Speaker 1>like what's that? Why did that happen?

1346
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's how I got that's just looked at one

1347
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:04.680
<v Speaker 2>choice they made, or did the Americans do reshoots.

1348
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:11.520
<v Speaker 1>No, no reshoots, but yeah, they just using reversed footage

1349
01:15:11.960 --> 01:15:15.359
<v Speaker 1>and changing a few of the events in the film.

1350
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:19.319
<v Speaker 1>They just made the second one show up much earlier.

1351
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I never noticed that. So that's I've only seen

1352
01:15:22.680 --> 01:15:24.359
<v Speaker 2>the American version based on what you just told me.

1353
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:28.439
<v Speaker 2>That's that's interesting. So and I was always I really

1354
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.800
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed that film. Lots of people get eaten, it's good stuff.

1355
01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:35.319
<v Speaker 5>So too, though, is that in the American version there's

1356
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:38.319
<v Speaker 5>a there's a visual faux pas that only happens in

1357
01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:40.079
<v Speaker 5>that version of the film, and it's not in the

1358
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:44.359
<v Speaker 5>Japanese one. One scene where they're at an airport and

1359
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:50.399
<v Speaker 5>you look out the window, and what ends up happening

1360
01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:54.560
<v Speaker 5>is that they were this was just a film footage

1361
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:58.760
<v Speaker 5>of an airport that was being projected behind them for

1362
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:00.760
<v Speaker 5>some reason, because they obviously they were shooting is in

1363
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.479
<v Speaker 5>the studio, so they're not really at an airport, so

1364
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:06.800
<v Speaker 5>they just have film footage behind them. But there's one

1365
01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:10.520
<v Speaker 5>part where in the American version it starts looping over,

1366
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:15.319
<v Speaker 5>so like you see a vehicle moving and then all

1367
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:17.279
<v Speaker 5>of a sudden, it starts going backwards.

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01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:18.119
<v Speaker 7>Well I think.

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01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:21.960
<v Speaker 1>That that's because they you know, they wanted to extend

1370
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:24.880
<v Speaker 1>the dialogue in that scene, and they just they just

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01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:29.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, loop the footage backwards rather than cut the

1372
01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:33.560
<v Speaker 1>dialogue down at the scene. And I can't say for

1373
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:35.720
<v Speaker 1>sure if that's what happened, but I mean, I can't

1374
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:38.640
<v Speaker 1>imagine any other reason why that would would happen, because

1375
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:41.560
<v Speaker 1>they don't. I'm sure they didn't have these separate elements

1376
01:16:42.239 --> 01:16:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of Matt shot in order to redo that. So I'm

1377
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:50.079
<v Speaker 1>sure that they just rewound the footage back just to extend,

1378
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:52.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I said, just to extend the dialogue,

1379
01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:55.960
<v Speaker 1>so that what you know, the American people had done

1380
01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:57.760
<v Speaker 1>for that particular scene.

1381
01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:01.600
<v Speaker 5>We haven't talked all about gam or Diamond Gin or

1382
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:03.279
<v Speaker 5>Gotha Orgilala.

1383
01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:08.560
<v Speaker 2>That's true. How does Gamera fit into this in real history?

1384
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:12.199
<v Speaker 2>How does Gammera fit into the Japanese cinema history? Like

1385
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.720
<v Speaker 2>was he a direct response to Godzilla or well?

1386
01:17:16.000 --> 01:17:20.680
<v Speaker 5>In short answers, yes, it was just yeah, nineteen sixty five,

1387
01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:25.399
<v Speaker 5>Die wanted some of that dikaiju money action that Godzilla

1388
01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:29.159
<v Speaker 5>was getting because these films were popular in the sixties.

1389
01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:32.840
<v Speaker 5>They weren't the only type of Japanese film that was popular,

1390
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:37.119
<v Speaker 5>but because they were also like the Zatoichi film Samurai,

1391
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:39.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, movies, there were comedies, there were lots of

1392
01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:43.159
<v Speaker 5>films that were popular, but Dyke Giant monster movies were

1393
01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.960
<v Speaker 5>a type of film that were popular. So Die wanted

1394
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.399
<v Speaker 5>some of Toho's actions, so they made their own monster.

1395
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:55.079
<v Speaker 2>And Gamera has spawned quite a few sequels. I think

1396
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:57.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing a lot of our listeners will have seen

1397
01:17:57.159 --> 01:18:04.000
<v Speaker 2>them primarily through Mister Science Theater eight thousand, but they

1398
01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:08.159
<v Speaker 2>seem to be more kid focused, or that's my take

1399
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:13.279
<v Speaker 2>on it. I mean, is that they deliberately targeted children, Yes,

1400
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:14.359
<v Speaker 2>very intentionally. So.

1401
01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:18.960
<v Speaker 5>Noriaki Yuasa, who made most of those movies, just really

1402
01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:20.840
<v Speaker 5>liked kids and he wanted to make movies that were

1403
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:23.720
<v Speaker 5>friendly for kids. So that's why Gammer became the friend

1404
01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:25.399
<v Speaker 5>of all children, which.

1405
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Is kind of ironic because when you look at those

1406
01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:31.960
<v Speaker 1>old films, they couldn't be more bloody and violent, right exactly,

1407
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:37.600
<v Speaker 1>which I always thought was very peculiar. That yes, I

1408
01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:42.640
<v Speaker 1>meansa was really totally interested in, you know, making these

1409
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:46.359
<v Speaker 1>films for very small kids, but at the same time

1410
01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:50.000
<v Speaker 1>he put images in there that were particularly gruesome. I mean,

1411
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:53.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, guys getting his head chopped off, and there's

1412
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:56.359
<v Speaker 1>always Amma's blood is flowing like water, because actually it

1413
01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:00.359
<v Speaker 1>is water. And you know, things like that happened, which

1414
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.319
<v Speaker 1>which at the same time as Toho that was something

1415
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that Sobriah was munutely against you showing Godzilla leading on

1416
01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:12.079
<v Speaker 1>leading that kind of thing like that kind of violence.

1417
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:16.439
<v Speaker 1>So it was that was that was kind of an interesting,

1418
01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:18.520
<v Speaker 1>uh contradiction that was in.

1419
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:20.399
<v Speaker 7>Those the old Gamera films.

1420
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:23.199
<v Speaker 1>And then think about it too, and then what so

1421
01:19:23.279 --> 01:19:27.479
<v Speaker 1>what happened is those films, for whatever reason, were popular

1422
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:32.720
<v Speaker 1>enough that and finally with Godzilla's Revenge, it kind of

1423
01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:37.760
<v Speaker 1>prompted Toho to answer back. And I think Gozila's Revenge

1424
01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.399
<v Speaker 1>was their answer back to a film that could target

1425
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:45.239
<v Speaker 1>the same audience. And that's why you got after the

1426
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Stromal Monsters. They kind of you went backwards and kind

1427
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:55.119
<v Speaker 1>of went to a very simple, low cost uh type

1428
01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:58.560
<v Speaker 1>of production. And what that production wound up being was,

1429
01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:01.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I said, the directly wants to die,

1430
01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:05.159
<v Speaker 1>and I think that in doing so, they'd be die

1431
01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:05.960
<v Speaker 1>at their own game.

1432
01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:10.439
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. That reminds me of the sort of few,

1433
01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:16.199
<v Speaker 2>not really few, but the parallels between Hammer and Amicus films.

1434
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:18.960
<v Speaker 2>It's like Amicas went so far as Steved use a

1435
01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:20.640
<v Speaker 2>lot of the same actors, you know, so.

1436
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:22.279
<v Speaker 7>Right, same type.

1437
01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:27.079
<v Speaker 5>And we should mention that for a long time, fans

1438
01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:29.920
<v Speaker 5>of the genre have considered the Gamera films to be

1439
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:34.680
<v Speaker 5>just inferior copies of the Godzilla movies. But an interesting

1440
01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:38.840
<v Speaker 5>thing happened in the nineteen nineties when Gamera was rebooted

1441
01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:42.199
<v Speaker 5>and they had this this trilogy of new Gamera films

1442
01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:45.800
<v Speaker 5>that were a complete remark, and Godzilla movies were being remade,

1443
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:49.239
<v Speaker 5>you know, they those Godzilla movies in the nineties were happening.

1444
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:49.760
<v Speaker 7>At the same time.

1445
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:53.840
<v Speaker 5>But the general consensus seems to be that the Gamera

1446
01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:57.199
<v Speaker 5>films of the nineteen nineties are not only are they

1447
01:20:57.239 --> 01:21:00.199
<v Speaker 5>better than the Godzilla films of the nineteen nineties, but

1448
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:03.359
<v Speaker 5>they are among the best giant monster movies and more

1449
01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:04.880
<v Speaker 5>monster movies period ever made.

1450
01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:09.880
<v Speaker 2>They're very popular here at my house. Yeah, I think

1451
01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:13.000
<v Speaker 2>gets more rewatched, but I think there's in general. I

1452
01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:15.279
<v Speaker 2>enjoy watching those, and my kids like them quite a bit,

1453
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:19.520
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know that's anecdotal, but I like the

1454
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.600
<v Speaker 2>special effects in them, in the they have a nice

1455
01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:24.840
<v Speaker 2>story arc. I am curious though, like Gamera is such

1456
01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:28.680
<v Speaker 2>an odd creature because he bleeds, so he seems to

1457
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:32.039
<v Speaker 2>be biological, Yet he flies through space and shoots flames

1458
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:34.600
<v Speaker 2>out of his leg holes. He's he's an odd cat.

1459
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what his story is exactly, you know, people,

1460
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:40.760
<v Speaker 2>And we'll even do it for this episode. I'll talk

1461
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:45.039
<v Speaker 2>a little bit about the why these kuyd you are

1462
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:50.119
<v Speaker 2>biologically impossible. But you know, trying to explain that about

1463
01:21:50.119 --> 01:21:53.319
<v Speaker 2>Gammera just as silly. I mean, he's clearly not. He's

1464
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:55.000
<v Speaker 2>more of a fantasy creature, I guess.

1465
01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.079
<v Speaker 5>And even Gammera seems realistic compared to some of the

1466
01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:03.000
<v Speaker 5>things that crop up in Japanese television shows.

1467
01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:05.680
<v Speaker 12>Wow, and there's been a lot of that too, you know,

1468
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:11.199
<v Speaker 12>the uh so I would imagine that Ultraman and Spector Man,

1469
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:15.760
<v Speaker 12>these also were sort of kicked off by the Kaiju films.

1470
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well pretty much everything you know in the mid sixties,

1471
01:22:19.439 --> 01:22:24.439
<v Speaker 1>that was the Kaiju boom when uh, you know, we

1472
01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.840
<v Speaker 1>had that little version of the thing either, the three headed monster.

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<v Speaker 1>So theatrically those films were doing very well and producing

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<v Speaker 1>a few other films at the same time Dogara Atrinon

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<v Speaker 1>and then at the same time Subrai had started up

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<v Speaker 1>ultra Q and Ultraman. So all around this time period

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<v Speaker 1>there was the big boom and monster films in monsters

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan, TV was starting to get away at it.

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<v Speaker 1>But you had not only Di went in with Gambra,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the following year you had Gapa from uh

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<v Speaker 1>Because and you from show Cheq. So everybody was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of getting on the bandwagon at that point, and unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly it all started to fall apart as TV

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<v Speaker 1>started to suck the life out of the feature feature

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<v Speaker 1>film business. It was a lot easier for you kids

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<v Speaker 1>to stay at home and watch monsters on TV for

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<v Speaker 1>free than it was to you know, mom and dad

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<v Speaker 1>take into the theater and pay to see pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. Quality wise, it wasn't really the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, for especially for younger children, that was

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<v Speaker 1>probably pretty much the mindset. So unfortunately, the proliferation of monsters,

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<v Speaker 1>especially as far as it goes to TV, started sounding

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<v Speaker 1>the started started the monster film industry on the down swing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's unfortunate, but I did get some great memories

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<v Speaker 2>from that. I liked In America, it was called Space Giants,

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01:24:05.000 --> 01:24:08.079
<v Speaker 2>but I guess in Japan it was The Ambassador Magma.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just such a it's a trippy show. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's got a family of robots, with the father being

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what is the fifty feet tall, hundred

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<v Speaker 2>feet tall something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>He's really big, hundred feet tall in the translated version,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's got shape shifters and aliens and giant monsters

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01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:34.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's awesome, and it's long. It's like fifty

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01:24:34.399 --> 01:24:38.840
<v Speaker 2>two episodes. Yeah, so I you know, there's just a

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01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:42.199
<v Speaker 2>tremendous amount of fun material out there. So I know,

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01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:45.640
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately we're running out of time here, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ask the question, and we always like to ask

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<v Speaker 2>our guests, but we're going to modify it just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit because before we even did this interview, I

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<v Speaker 2>know you've expressed some reservations about picking a single favorite monster,

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<v Speaker 2>So so I'm gonna I'm gonna ask it this way. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>what are some of your favorite monsters? And what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think your favorite Kaiju film is?

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<v Speaker 7>Shall I go first? Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 5>Mike got Yeah, Well, obviously there's only one king, so

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<v Speaker 5>that that's going to be my favorite monster in second excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>Pong excellent, right, America.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So to spell it out for people, either, yeah,

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01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:36.359
<v Speaker 5>Goddilla takes first place. Second place, I would put King

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01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:39.920
<v Speaker 5>Guidora or King Giedra or Gidra however you're going to pronounce,

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01:25:39.960 --> 01:25:40.600
<v Speaker 5>and he can proounce it.

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01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:42.000
<v Speaker 7>All those ways are all correct.

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01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:44.159
<v Speaker 2>H one name for each head.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, but unfortunately I don't think he's been done justice

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<v Speaker 5>since the nineteen sixties. And in third place, I'll throw

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01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:58.880
<v Speaker 5>a curveball and put in the British monster Gorgo and

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01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:05.760
<v Speaker 5>his mother nice Yes, uh huh, And I guess.

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01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:07.960
<v Speaker 6>That huge show notes on this episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, and they I don't really have any any of

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01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:15.159
<v Speaker 5>that fall into line after that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>I like Angulus, I like Malthra, I like rode In.

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01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:20.960
<v Speaker 5>I guess I like rode In more than Angulus and Malthra.

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01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:23.800
<v Speaker 5>So we'll book road In a number four and we'll

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01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.199
<v Speaker 5>just put We'll put Malthra at number five.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I mean obviously Godzilla, without a doubt is

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01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:36.560
<v Speaker 1>number one. I mean, Godzilla is the reason that all

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01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>of this got started, and it's the probably the most

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01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>iconic monster character that ever came out of Japan. It

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01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>would be hard to pick against Godzilla, But beyond Godzilla,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have.

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<v Speaker 7>To agree with Mike that King Dedra is probably the

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01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:53.960
<v Speaker 7>second on my list.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just, you know, such an impressive looking design, and

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01:27:00.319 --> 01:27:03.039
<v Speaker 1>you just I can I can still think back to

1547
01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>the the day that I saw that film in the theater,

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01:27:07.520 --> 01:27:12.119
<v Speaker 1>giving a three headed monster, and how overwhelming that experience was,

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01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and seeing that that creature on the screen the first time.

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01:27:16.000 --> 01:27:17.640
<v Speaker 7>It's something that I'll never forget.

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01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>So I would put Giras as a second, and probably

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01:27:23.000 --> 01:27:25.960
<v Speaker 1>my third favorite, the giant monster would.

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01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:26.520
<v Speaker 7>Would be author.

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01:27:26.800 --> 01:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Author is just again it's a kind of iconic figure,

1555
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:35.439
<v Speaker 1>and I like the idea of the simplicity.

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01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:39.079
<v Speaker 7>Of its design. I think that, you know, it's all

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01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:40.000
<v Speaker 7>too often.

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01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:42.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, people get a little especially today, you know,

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01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.840
<v Speaker 1>when people are designing creatures and spaceships and stuff, they

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01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>go overboard on detail and making it look complicated.

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01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:55.079
<v Speaker 7>I'm kind of the opposite approach, you know that.

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01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I think simplicity is but there's beauty and simplicity, just

1563
01:27:59.039 --> 01:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>like in spaceships.

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01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:01.720
<v Speaker 7>Uh, take the enterprise.

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01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Take the enterprise over everything else, because the enterprise is

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01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:05.159
<v Speaker 1>just a couple.

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01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:07.359
<v Speaker 7>Of simple minds, and it's it's.

1568
01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Basically frozen motion looks beautiful the way it is, and

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01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll apply the same kind of thinking to Matha. Mathra

1570
01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:18.600
<v Speaker 1>has that that simplicity of design that is elegant and

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01:28:19.079 --> 01:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>very impressive.

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't ask any more questions because I know we're

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01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:26.520
<v Speaker 2>out of time. But I god Zuki or scrappy Do,

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01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:29.199
<v Speaker 2>god Zukier scrappy Do, who's the worst?

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01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:32.159
<v Speaker 7>Well?

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01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:38.199
<v Speaker 5>I will actually watch the Hannah Barbara Godzilla and hate it.

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01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:44.159
<v Speaker 5>And uh, the scrappy Do I just won't even watch.

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01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>So that is scrappy Do is worse.

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01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:55.199
<v Speaker 7>And death is not an option? Are we talking about

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01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:56.159
<v Speaker 7>for the characters?

1581
01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just I every time I might hear god Zuki,

1582
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:03.079
<v Speaker 2>hear and god Zuk.

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01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:04.920
<v Speaker 7>And then don't stop.

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01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:06.359
<v Speaker 2>You can't.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, Thanks so much for coming, guys, Thank you

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<v Speaker 6>so much.

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<v Speaker 7>You're welcome. We love it great. Thanks guys, monster.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters.

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01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:29.319
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<v Speaker 2>Boy, how doy They do some fun giant monster stuff

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<v Speaker 2>in there.

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<v Speaker 7>And you stay through to the end.

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<v Speaker 2>Credits right, great fun there at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, please don't tell me one of those guys I

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01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:21.399
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it yet.

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01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:24.159
<v Speaker 2>No, no, I wouldn't tell you. But but I'm just

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01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:27.079
<v Speaker 2>saying Matthew. I'm just saying Matthew broderck Steele looks great.

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<v Speaker 2>He's aged so well. That's all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>What I'm not sure if the banana was necessary

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<v Speaker 2>It was important to the plot, Okay,