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<v Speaker 1>This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to KF

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<v Speaker 1>I Am six forty, the Doctor Wendy wallsh Show on

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<v Speaker 1>demand on the iHeartRadio app. Hey f, I Am six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>You have doctor Wendy Walsh with you. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Wendy Walsh Show. I'd like to welcome now my

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram audience. So nice to see some of you from

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<v Speaker 1>all over the country, in fact, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>you in southern California. And if you would like to

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<v Speaker 1>call in with a relationship question, I am here for you.

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<v Speaker 1>The number is one eight hundred five two zero one

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<v Speaker 1>five three four. Okay, Producer Kayla, who.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have?

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<v Speaker 3>First?

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<v Speaker 2>We have Ricky with the question. Ricky. Hi, Ricky, it's

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Wendy.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, doctor, how are you doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your question?

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<v Speaker 4>My question is simple because I've heard many times over

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<v Speaker 4>the years from women of different ages or different stages

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<v Speaker 4>of life. Hey, you don't listen to me, Ricky. You're

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<v Speaker 4>not listening to me. It means something different.

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<v Speaker 1>Because your ears do work. I know, Ricky, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing me right now. So when a woman says to you, Ricky,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not listening to me. What she's really saying is

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel understood, can you? And in fact, your

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<v Speaker 1>response at that point should be what I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hearing is and then make new words. This is called

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<v Speaker 1>emotional mirroring, and so you make new words for what

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<v Speaker 1>you think they heard they said. So they're going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever their complaint is, and you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>disagree with them or say whatever or defend yourself and

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to say, you're not listening to me. So

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<v Speaker 1>your answer is going to be, well, what I think

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<v Speaker 1>I heard is that I'm responsible for all of your feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Or what I think I heard is that you're not

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<v Speaker 1>happy with the way I whatever. Right, give their feeling

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<v Speaker 1>a name, try to be a feeling detective. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>too many people make that mistake, Ricky, of saying in

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<v Speaker 1>their relationships, you're not listening, and clearly we all have

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<v Speaker 1>ears we're hearing and that's not what they mean. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for calling. That's a great question. All right, Producer, Kayla,

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<v Speaker 1>who do we have next? So we have Darryl next, Daryl, Darryl, Hey, Darryl.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, doctor Whitney, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your question?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>I think you know, you touched on a subject tonight

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<v Speaker 5>that was really hit home for me. I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I've been in love with this woman for sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 5>She got diagnosed with MS oh dear, and she really

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<v Speaker 5>has just took a turn like for the worst, and

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<v Speaker 5>it seems like she doesn't have any time for me anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>She sleeps like for days, you know, and I'm like all.

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<v Speaker 3>Text her and then she wakes up and she's really crabby.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you what, and it's just her. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what's to you know, I'm in early recovery

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<v Speaker 3>and I've just mainly been focusing on my self.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like both of you are healing. She's got

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<v Speaker 1>her MS, you're in recovery, and you're feeling that while

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<v Speaker 1>each of you are focusing on your separate healing, that

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<v Speaker 1>you're growing apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what I'm hearing?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that is Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think you know, in this case, learning to

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<v Speaker 1>talking to her, maybe about converting the relationship to friendship

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<v Speaker 1>so that you're free to find another kind of love

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<v Speaker 1>might be wise. But I think that after sixteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>you owe her some support and some love, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you're going to bail on her because

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<v Speaker 1>she's sick. But on the other hand, when we are,

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<v Speaker 1>when our bodies are failing and we're in such a

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<v Speaker 1>regressed state, sometimes people aren't fun to be around and

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<v Speaker 1>it can be very difficult. So you've got your own

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<v Speaker 1>emotional needs at the same time. So I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to look at your whole life and all your social

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<v Speaker 1>support and ask yourself, where can I get my emotional

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<v Speaker 1>needs met in a different way while still supporting the

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<v Speaker 1>woman I love? Or is there a way to convert

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<v Speaker 1>the romantic relationship with the woman I love into friendship

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<v Speaker 1>so that I can pursue romantic elsewhere. But these conversations

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<v Speaker 1>need to be had, and you know they have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot to do with our own values and morals. But

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, you're also in recovery trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of yourself. And I'm a big believer, and you

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<v Speaker 1>got to put your own oxygen mask on first before

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<v Speaker 1>you can help anybody else. And so taking care of

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<v Speaker 1>ourself is not selfish, it is self liss so that

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<v Speaker 1>we can help others. So I'm sorry you're going through this, Daryl,

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<v Speaker 1>but thank you very much for calling. All Right, Producer Kayla,

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<v Speaker 1>who do we have next?

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<v Speaker 2>We have Craig with a question. Craig, Hi, Craig, it's

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Wendy.

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<v Speaker 4>How you going, Wendy good.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a lot of guys today. What's your question? Hi, Craig, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Only have one girl.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just thanking them, said two years ago, will blind

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a lot old thing now to a camp out

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my suggestion for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like, Craig, what you're sharing with me is

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<v Speaker 1>that you're at a stage in your life where you're

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<v Speaker 1>older and alone and you want to have a connection

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<v Speaker 1>with somebody. And my advice would be to get social

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<v Speaker 1>support wherever you can join a group, volunteer, reach out

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<v Speaker 1>for services that are available so you can meet other people.

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<v Speaker 1>You just need to get out in the world. If

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<v Speaker 1>your focus is only finding a girlfriend or romance, that

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<v Speaker 1>becomes just a trail of disappointments because it's one after another.

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<v Speaker 1>Just expand your social world. One of the things I've

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<v Speaker 1>notice that happens with a lot of men, especially after

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<v Speaker 1>divorce or their wife dies, is their social world becomes

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<v Speaker 1>smaller and smaller and smaller, and men need to learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to extend their social world. Thank you for calling, Craig.

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<v Speaker 1>It's lovely to hear your voice. All right, who do

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<v Speaker 1>we have next? We have time for one more before

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<v Speaker 1>the break?

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<v Speaker 2>We sure, do we have Nia with the question? Was

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<v Speaker 2>that Nia?

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<v Speaker 6>That was Nia?

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<v Speaker 2>Nia?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>Nia, It's doctor Wendy.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, Hi, doctor Wendy. I have a question. So I'm

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<v Speaker 7>in my early twenties and I'm in my first serious relationship.

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<v Speaker 7>It's been almost two years and my whole life, I've

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<v Speaker 7>also had anxiety, and so a lot of times every

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<v Speaker 7>time I get in an argument or fight with my partner,

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<v Speaker 7>my first instinct is to break up. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>sure because this has happened so often. If it means

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<v Speaker 7>the relationship is just going awry and this isn't the

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<v Speaker 7>person for me, or it just means maybe my nervous

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<v Speaker 7>system isn't regulated and maybe I've just had some bad

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<v Speaker 7>experience experiences in the past that this is like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>testing me, you know what I mean. So it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>So, Nia, I'm going to share some personal information with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to have the fight or flight syndrome in

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<v Speaker 1>my relationships. If there was any kind of argument or disagreement,

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<v Speaker 1>I called it my running feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>I would get in my stomach.

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<v Speaker 1>I would get this running feeling like I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to hang up the phone, run out the door, slam

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<v Speaker 1>the door, drive away fast. It was just hard for

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<v Speaker 1>me to stay in it during an argument or disagreement.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I learned how to have healthier fights, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would suggest that the two of you might see

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<v Speaker 1>a licensed therapist so you could learn some skills, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're both young and this is the time to lay

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<v Speaker 1>down the strategies. But when I hear you say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if it's just my anxiety, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're taking too much blame on yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I want to see that the two of you,

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<v Speaker 1>after an argument or a disagreement or a fight, know

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<v Speaker 1>each other better and become closer because of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>those are skills that can be learned nia. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know this is the time, this is the time, your

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<v Speaker 1>age to learn those skills.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for calling. All right, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take a break. When we come back.

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<v Speaker 1>The number is one eight hundred five two zero one

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<v Speaker 1>five three four. That's one eight hundred five two zero, one, five,

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<v Speaker 1>three four. If you've got a relationship question, give us

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<v Speaker 1>a call. You are listening to the Doctor Wendywalls Show

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<v Speaker 1>on KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 6>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 6>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Kf I Am six forty. You have Doctor Wendy Walsh

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<v Speaker 2>with you. This is the Doctor Wendy Walsh Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I am going to social media to answer your

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<v Speaker 1>relationship questions. Actually I was live earlier on TikTok and

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<v Speaker 1>then I was live on Instagram and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>people I wrote their questions, you know, in the comments,

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<v Speaker 1>So I wrote a couple of them down as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus some of you have been sending me dms. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we have the one question for you that we got

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<v Speaker 2>a little earlier too. Oh we have a talk back.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we play that first?

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<v Speaker 8>Hi, Doctor Wendy. My girlfriend and I have been together

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<v Speaker 8>for six months. I'm forty nine, she's thirty nine. She

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<v Speaker 8>has two kids. I have one. She has two divorces.

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<v Speaker 8>I have two divorces. And we had a fight the

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<v Speaker 8>other night and we don't know how to fight. So

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<v Speaker 8>we are both on board for couple's therapy. But that

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<v Speaker 8>little residual piece in the back of my mind is saying,

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<v Speaker 8>if we're doing couple's therapy at this point in the relationship,

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<v Speaker 8>are we doomed? Can you help settle my mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, You are not doomed. In fact, you are

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<v Speaker 1>doing the exact right thing. Both of you have two

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<v Speaker 1>marriages behind you, two divorces, and I want to remind

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<v Speaker 1>everybody who's listening the divorce does not teach you how

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<v Speaker 1>to be a better mate. Divorce does not teach you

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<v Speaker 1>how to choose a better mate. Divorce teaches you that

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<v Speaker 1>you can survive divorce. So therefore, every subsequent marriage, the

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<v Speaker 1>divorce rate goes up. Right, Second marriage have a higher

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<v Speaker 1>divorce rate than first marriages. Third marriages have an even

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<v Speaker 1>higher divorce rate. So what you said was right.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>How to fight, and this is why you should go

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<v Speaker 1>to couple's therapy so you can learn the skills. Relationships

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<v Speaker 1>are far more about skill than luck, and those skills

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<v Speaker 2>You are not doomed. In fact.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that you're going to couples therapy so early

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<v Speaker 1>in your relationship six months into it tells me that

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a good chance of succeeding this time. And

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<v Speaker 1>also six months is usually around the time where the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the the lust and the limerins is starting

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<v Speaker 1>to wear off. And now it's a real reality check, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're seeing a real human And so this is the

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<v Speaker 1>time where you're going to see little conflict or flaws,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the time to go to therapy and

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<v Speaker 2>It's what five four or five? Yeah, a lot. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really really good question. Keep it up, go

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<v Speaker 2>to therapy, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, somebody on TikTok asked me, They said, I asked

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<v Speaker 1>list some green flags in a healthy partner. So, therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're just starting to date somebody, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>rule of thumb, which is simply, well two things. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>for you, or oh, I know how to fix that,

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<v Speaker 4>And do it.

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<v Speaker 1>If they actually do all the tiny little promises that

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<v Speaker 2>And the second thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>That they respect your voice, that you feel understood, that

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<v Speaker 1>you feel heard. So if you're dating somebody and you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but you'll love this. There's a different kind of Hamger.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna love this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, they're not listening to you. They're not

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<v Speaker 1>respecting you. So the big green flags are their action

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<v Speaker 1>match their words and you feel heard and respected. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are the big ones, all right. And another listener on

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<v Speaker 2>Could they be healed.

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<v Speaker 1>So I corrected them on the word healed, because when

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<v Speaker 1>you have an avoidant attachment style, it doesn't mean you're sick,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't mean you're ill, doesn't mean you're highly dysfunctional.

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<v Speaker 1>It means that you have learned early in life to

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know how to negotiate your way through it,

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. Unfortunately, people start to realize if they

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<v Speaker 1>have avoidant attachment style that either they're attracted to people

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<v Speaker 1>them on purpose, or you're just having trouble having close

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<v Speaker 1>intimate relationships. People are saying, you don't really tell me

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<v Speaker 1>anything personal about you, You don't open up right. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>the answer to this is therapy. I say it all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. See a licensed therapist who can teach you

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<v Speaker 1>good communication skills, teach you to tolerate intimacy. The first

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<v Speaker 1>being open and honest and vulnerable and being able to

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<v Speaker 1>tolerate those conversations. And that is how you change your

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<v Speaker 1>attachment style, not heal change it right, all right? Moving on,

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<v Speaker 1>This person writes, my boyfriend and I are moving in together.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Wendy wohoo.

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<v Speaker 1>We planned on doing fifty to fifty rent, but now

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<v Speaker 1>I see that he actually makes more money than me

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<v Speaker 1>while I work three jobs to afford the fifty percent rent?

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<v Speaker 1>Is is fair? Are you asking me? Because you're telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just tell you it's not fair. Of course, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not fair. And you guys need to have a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about this, you know. Susie Orman says the best way

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<v Speaker 1>to split expenses is based on percentage of income. So

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<v Speaker 1>if one person I'm making up these numbers, if one

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<v Speaker 1>person makes one hundred thousand dollars a year and the

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<v Speaker 1>other person makes fifty thousand dollars a year, then somebody

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<v Speaker 1>should pay two times what the other's paying and rent.

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<v Speaker 1>You just break it up proportionately, and then as your

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<v Speaker 1>income changes, you might adjust it along the way. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to be brave bring this up, because no,

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<v Speaker 1>that is not fair. He's got one job, you got three,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to keep up with the Joneses. No, no, no, no, no. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a good one, Dear doctor Wendy. I'm dating a

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<v Speaker 1>man who claims he's divorced from his wife. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that word claims. He even claims to have dated since

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<v Speaker 1>they divorced, but that relationship didn't work out. So I

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<v Speaker 1>found his ex wife's social media and she is flawless.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll stop that.

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares what she looks like on that side, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on the inside. But here's the thing that gets me.

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<v Speaker 1>She also still has all their family pictures up on

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<v Speaker 1>social media. Should I be concerned? Yes, this woman hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>moved on. They're either not actually divorced. When you say

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<v Speaker 1>family pictures, I assume he's in the pictures too, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So they're either not actually divorced and he's just lying

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a cheater, or I'm just saying all the options,

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<v Speaker 1>or she is not over it. Maybe they're like legally

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<v Speaker 1>separated and she's trying to get him back. Because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you, if they were divorced, she would be putting

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<v Speaker 1>hot single pictures of herself out there. She would be

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<v Speaker 1>selling herself in the mating marketplace. So she's got family

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of her and him and the kids. It's her saying,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the public image I want to have. So

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<v Speaker 1>why does she want to have this public image? She

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<v Speaker 1>either wants to I'm back or they're not divorced. She

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't lost him. Who it's a good one. I write

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<v Speaker 1>me back. I want to know what happens in that one.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Dear doctor Wendy. Every time I text this

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<v Speaker 1>man i'm dating, I text what are you doing? He

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<v Speaker 1>always responds drinking or about to have a drink? How

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<v Speaker 1>do I ask if he has a problem? Or should

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<v Speaker 1>I just note it as a red flag and leave.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like it when people just go, well, he

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<v Speaker 1>must have a problem. I'm just leaving, Like, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you explore?

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<v Speaker 2>And how do you ask?

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<v Speaker 1>You simply say and don't do it in a text.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time you're talking, say hey, I have a question.

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<v Speaker 1>Last couple of times I texted to you are about

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<v Speaker 1>to have a drink?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you drink every day? And how much? I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing wrong with asking you have every right to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been drinking every day lately, just letting you know, well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened is Kayla?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you laughing? I just wasn't expecting that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to build a tolerance before the wedding,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I have a tolerance. So I've been having

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<v Speaker 1>two glasses or Sundays three glasses of wine every night. So

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<v Speaker 1>I need what they call a tolerance break.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of wine around your I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll take that tolerance break this week. All right, when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, where are we going after this? Help me?

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<v Speaker 2>Help me, help me. There's so much happenings. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Three ways that conflict can strengthen your relationship. You are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show and KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty were live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 6>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 6>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Doctor Wendy Wall Show on KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. So

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<v Speaker 1>I am not afraid of conflict, but you know that

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<v Speaker 1>about me. I mean I stood up to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest former sexual harassers of all time. I was

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<v Speaker 1>fearless about. You can go read about it, Google it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not afraid to be strident, to be frank,

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<v Speaker 1>to be outspoken, and if something bothers me, even in

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<v Speaker 1>my most intimate relationships, I have no problem bringing it up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's got a couple little tender spots that are a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit harder to bring up. And I won't disclose

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<v Speaker 1>what my tiny one is because you know, I'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask Coolio's permission first. But having said that, there

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<v Speaker 1>are some people who are totally conflict avoidant. They actually

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<v Speaker 1>think that the best relationships are relationships with no fighting,

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<v Speaker 1>no conflict at all. The research, however, does not support

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<v Speaker 1>that idea. In fact, research shows that long term, happily

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<v Speaker 1>married or happily together couples have actually frequent border skirmishes,

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<v Speaker 1>little arguments. They're constantly negotiating their boundaries. It never goes away.

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<v Speaker 1>And because they have so much gentle conflict, respectful conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes playful conflict, they don't have the big, knockdown, drag

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<v Speaker 1>them out crazy arguments where the neighbors are freaking out

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<v Speaker 1>because they clear the air all the time. They're doing

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<v Speaker 1>it all the time. They're not like bottling stuff inside

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<v Speaker 1>until it just bursts and them before you know it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying things like and another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember that time, and you always do that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Nope, So I want to talk to you if

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<v Speaker 1>you have been one of those people who's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to bring up the tender topics in your relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I know why you're afraid. You're afraid because will

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<v Speaker 1>threaten the relationship. You're afraid that you'll make your partner angry.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you make your partner angry, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't make anybody have another feeling. It's important to

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<v Speaker 1>know people own their own feelings and they've chosen to

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<v Speaker 1>respond in a certain way, or they've got their own

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<v Speaker 1>life experience or perceptions that brings up certain feelings. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that you ever make someone have a feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>or you don't make someone behave in a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody is responsible for their own behavior, including.

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<v Speaker 2>You, your own behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know that people who are conflict avoidant are

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<v Speaker 1>terrified that it will turn into something so big that

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<v Speaker 1>it will rupture the relationship. But actually there's research to

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<v Speaker 1>show that actually conflict can strengthen a relationship. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>new study published in Psychological Science. It found that when

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<v Speaker 1>couples have heated conversations that involve disagreements, there can be

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<v Speaker 1>three huge benefits.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you ready write this down, take some notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, respectful disagreement can actually build trust. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>know this sounds completely counterintuitive, but when you get to

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<v Speaker 1>the place where you know that you can safely express

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<v Speaker 1>yourself honestly and be seen for who you really are,

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<v Speaker 1>you're having free expression, your partners having free expression. And

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<v Speaker 1>when both people are free to be themselves and not

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<v Speaker 1>have to put on airs or pretend or appease the

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<v Speaker 1>other person, when you can just be honest, you increase

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<v Speaker 1>the bond between the two of you. Yeah, it can

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<v Speaker 1>actually strengthen your relationship because you are now in a

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<v Speaker 1>safe place to be authentic, and that's good for your relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>The second thing the research found is that respectful disagreements,

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<v Speaker 1>See I keep saying that we're they're respectful disagreement can

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<v Speaker 1>actually increase closeness because, believe it or not, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>arguing respectfully, there's a part of you that's also looking

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<v Speaker 1>for common ground and what you're going to find with

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<v Speaker 1>your partner is that you actually do agree on some

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<v Speaker 1>aspects of whatever issue it is that you're having conflict about. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But unless you're allowed to honestly and openly discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing from every single angle, you can't get to

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<v Speaker 1>the place of increased closeness, all right. And the third thing,

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<v Speaker 1>the third way that conflict makes your relationship better, is

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<v Speaker 1>that respectful disagreement can lead to light bulbs going off

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<v Speaker 1>in your head new ideas. Okay, so when you're arguing

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<v Speaker 1>with someone, your primary goal should never be to change

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<v Speaker 1>their mind.

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<v Speaker 2>This is important to understand. If if your only goal

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<v Speaker 2>is to.

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<v Speaker 1>Convince them that you are right and they are wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not respectful disagreement. Respectful disagreement is when you just say,

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<v Speaker 1>here's my perspective, and now I see your perspective. And

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<v Speaker 1>what happens is if without prejudice, you just listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the other person's perspective, you might go, huh, I never

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<v Speaker 1>thought about it that way, and you might actually change

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<v Speaker 1>your mind just a little bit, not because they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to force you to do it, but because you've given

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<v Speaker 1>enough space to be able to be honest yourself and

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<v Speaker 1>hear them out. The bottom line is that avoiding these

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of conversations is dangerous. This is when you have

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<v Speaker 1>problems in relationships. This is when those you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>bearing things and they're sitting on them, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>do the tiniest little thing one day and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden you are rapped and you blow up and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know what happened. I've actually heard people say

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened. I just went off and

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<v Speaker 1>it came out of nowhere. I mean, she did the

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<v Speaker 1>tiniest thing. Literally it was spilled milk. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>about the spilled milk. It was about the weeks and

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<v Speaker 1>months and years of having to do something you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do, perhaps but trying to appease the other person,

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<v Speaker 1>or not having a voice and not being honest. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when you run into problems. So I am going to

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<v Speaker 1>encourage you, if you are afraid of conflict, to start

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<v Speaker 1>gingerly and with the little things, and start with this sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really hard for me to bring this up, So

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate if you were kind to me. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I explained to you what I have a problem with

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<v Speaker 1>right now. See, just start like that so then they

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<v Speaker 1>know it's difficult for you to talk about. Then it'll

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<v Speaker 1>get easier and easier and easier, and you'll be able

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, like with me and Julio, I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>get this, I'm a little bugged about that, and he'll

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<v Speaker 1>go get this. I don't like it when you do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll go, oh, what can we do different? So

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<v Speaker 1>we're both happier because the love doesn't change. The bond

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't change for us. We're just getting to know each

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<v Speaker 1>other better and better and better.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, have you heard of the red

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<v Speaker 1>nail theory? You know, scientists have so much time on

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<v Speaker 1>their hands. They've even studied red fingernails and mate attraction.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, you are listening to The Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Wendy wallsh Show and KFI AM six forty Alive everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 6>You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 6>AM six forty Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to the home stretch of The Doctor Wendy Waalsh Show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Doctor Wendy Walsh. You know I say this over

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<v Speaker 1>and over. I just want to remind people in case

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<v Speaker 1>they've been tuning in. I have a PhD in clinical psychology.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a psychology professor, but I've written three books on relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>did a dissertation on attachment theory. Because I am just

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with the science of love. I read the journals,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, there are academic journals about relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>One is actually called personal Relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love when the new science comes out, and

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<v Speaker 1>usually it reconfirms it's.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean it, okay, I'm just going to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty rare for me to go, ah, never thought

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<v Speaker 1>about it that way. Wow, that's so new and different.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually when I read something, I go they spent money

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<v Speaker 1>on that study, Like I knew that, all right, So

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<v Speaker 1>let us talk about the latest thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The red nail theory. It's actually not the latest.

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<v Speaker 1>The term the red nail theory was coined back in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight by researchers from Rochester University, and

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<v Speaker 1>back then they used five different psychological experiments to demonstrate

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<v Speaker 1>that when women wore the color red on their nails,

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<v Speaker 1>it increased male attraction. Now, there's been lots of other

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<v Speaker 1>research since then to keep proving it over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to talk about it from different standpoints,

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<v Speaker 1>because everything human has a biological piece right inherited in

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<v Speaker 1>some way. It has a psychological piece, something that happened

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<v Speaker 1>in our lifetime, and it has often a social piece,

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<v Speaker 1>a message from our culture. Every single human behavior has

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<v Speaker 1>a biopsychosocial piece. So let's start with the biological piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Evolutionary psychologists would say that this attraction to the color

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<v Speaker 1>red is actually one primate just mimicking another. There's something

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<v Speaker 1>called the sexual signaling hypothesis, and it says that females

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<v Speaker 1>attract male mates the same way other primates. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing we have. Homo sapien have concealed ovulation. Concealed

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<v Speaker 1>ovulation means that men can't tell when a woman's ovulating

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<v Speaker 1>or not, and women sometimes don't even know themselves. But

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<v Speaker 1>every other primate has actually a sexual communication system. It's

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<v Speaker 1>usually I don't know, if you ever read National Geographic

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<v Speaker 1>in middle school and giggled over the pages, it's usually

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<v Speaker 1>swollen volva that's in a vibrant red tone. So evolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>psychologists would say, well, you know, our penant for red lipstick,

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<v Speaker 1>red cheeks, and yes, red nails might be an unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>way to signal fertility. In fact, a recent study done

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan found that there is a slight correlation between

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<v Speaker 1>women choosing to wear red lipstick, which days the month,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they were ovulating or not. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>more women who were ovulating tended to choose the red lipstick. Fascinating, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing. There are also cultural pieces. So

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<v Speaker 1>red has been used in our culture to denote highly

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<v Speaker 1>sexual women or women who break the rules. Think of

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<v Speaker 1>Scarlet O'Hara, Scarlet is her name, and Gone with the Wind,

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<v Speaker 1>novels like the Scarlet Letter, Right, remember the movie remember

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<v Speaker 1>the model Kelly Broxton and woman in Red. The color

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<v Speaker 1>red has historically been associated with body, rule breaking, sexual women,

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<v Speaker 1>and because of this, sometimes it has a negative connotation

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<v Speaker 1>because there are times in history when women's sexuality and

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<v Speaker 1>reproduction was controlled by men. Times in history, no, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>times today, I don't know, think about it. So we

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<v Speaker 1>have to think that there's also a cultural influence of

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<v Speaker 1>why this works. So the big question is, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going on a date, should you wear red nail polish,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you're in your dating app and take your pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>should you have red nail polish on. Well, my advice,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is just me, one person with a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of life experience and wisdom, is that there is

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<v Speaker 1>research to show that you do get morse wipe rights

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<v Speaker 1>if you wear red, so wear red shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem with the red nails is unconsciously might signal

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<v Speaker 1>something highly sexual. Now, ladies, if you're looking for short

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<v Speaker 1>term fun and a smoldering fire with a hot guy,

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<v Speaker 1>put on those red nail polish, make them long and beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you happen to be looking for a long term,

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<v Speaker 1>committed relationship, no judgment one way or the other, then

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<v Speaker 1>you might want to play it the sexual part down

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<v Speaker 1>just a little bit right. You have to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>read the room. You have to know what people are

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<v Speaker 1>looking for. And you know, I hate to go there.

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<v Speaker 1>But the porn industry has influenced the sexual psychology of

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<v Speaker 1>so many men. And if you don't believe that porn

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<v Speaker 1>has an influence, let me tell you this. Fully, one

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<v Speaker 1>third of all content on the Internet is pornography and

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<v Speaker 1>the average age that the American male begins viewing pornography

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<v Speaker 1>is the age of eleven. So there, now they have

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<v Speaker 1>been exposed to red nails wrapped around all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>appendages for years, and so as a result, they might have.

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<v Speaker 2>An idea of what it's about.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I would never tell a woman wear this, don't wear this.

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<v Speaker 1>All I'm saying female mating strategy is know your audience,

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<v Speaker 1>read the room, figure out what you got to do

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<v Speaker 1>to close whatever deal you're looking for. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for a fun romp, go for.

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<v Speaker 2>It, ladies, go for it. Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>I see people sometimes say that I am old fashioned

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<v Speaker 1>because I preach human bonding is so good for our

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<v Speaker 1>health and long term monogamy is so good for our health. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the research does support, but that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>that during the course of one's lifetime you might not

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<v Speaker 1>have a variety of different kinds of relationships. And that

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<v Speaker 1>brings the Doctor Wendy Walls Show to a close. It

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<v Speaker 1>is always my pleasure to be with you every Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>night from seven to nine pm, and you can always

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<v Speaker 1>follow me online. Handle is at doctor Wendy Walsh dot com, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>slash doctor Wendy Walsh. But I'm always here for you

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<v Speaker 1>You've been listening to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh. You can always

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<v Speaker 1>hear us live on KFI AM six forty from seven

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