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and I think that that happens, that is going to

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back from Vancouver from the Vancouver Resource Investment Conference. Very

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upbeat crowd gold, the miners taking off, but nonetheless the

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talk of the town is crypto, especially the Trump coin

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and then the not to be outdone, the Milania coin.

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And Dan EVAs is here with us. Now you've been

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on here before. Dan meme coins, meme stocks. What is

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going on here? I mean, right now as we're speaking,

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Bitcoin is back over one hundred thousand dollars? Is it

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heading to ten million? Are we going to have a

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strategic bitcoin reserve? And not the least of which russ Aulbrick,

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founder of a Silk Road, has been I don't know

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whose sentence was commuted or if he was pardoned, but

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he's out of jail exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's of yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think you and I

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talked a little bit after the Trump election in November.

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that even I would anticipate. You know, I didn't think

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that Trump was going to launch his own meme coin,

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but you know, I do think that the administration is

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signally how they're going to treat crypto, how they're going

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to treat AI. And you know, Trump launching his on

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meme coin two days before he has inauguration is is

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a reflection of what the administration has in store for

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the next four years. And so I think that, you know,

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financial clarity will come to the crypto markets. If you

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look at the appointment of who the new SEC chair

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is that is a new crypto task Force is being

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in place. And in the past, the way that Gary

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Gensler treated this task force was really around enforcement. This

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one will really be about, Hey, here are the guidelines

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of how this space is going to play. And I

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think that you know, Trump and the administration is really

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focused on creating the United States as a financial leader

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and haven for crypto companies, and that's where we're going

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to see this modern day gold rush in crypto and

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than you. We've heard a lot about the bricks more

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countries joining. Indonesia just joined it, and PRIs. They're basically

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their theme is proposing a replacement to reserve currency to

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the dollar. It will be forty percent backed in gold.

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is not happy with Russia. And Brazil their economy has

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China imploding all these things. So I think it's an

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acknowledgment the day of the dollars dominance is over, but

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we're going to have a replacement for it that somehow

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the US will be responsible for and that will stop

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an implosion of the or it's an attempt to stop

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an implosion of the global economic world order.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I think that that's why the bitcoin reserve

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currency across the world, but the US is the first

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mover in creating a strategic bitcoin reserve, it's somewhat can

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get us back to the gold standard, right that we

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Speaker 1: That that's the thesis behind being able to own five

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allow the US to take that. You know, it moves

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away from the dollar, but it still impacts the dollar,

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the Silk Road marketplace, which means that russ Albrick had

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fifteen billion dollars, which is probably equivalent of about fifty

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million when they took it. Yeah, you know, so we've

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it just a barbarous relic or is there a use

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Speaker 2: You saying gold in terms of the original asset, I.

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Speaker 4: Think hard asset gold like gold you can hold in

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Speaker 2: I mean, gold is an uh, I don't know, eighteen trillion.

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a lot of that wealth transfer is going to go

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from boomers into millennials and so on.

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Speaker 2: As you know, the generation's pass.

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Speaker 1: Are they more likely to buy bitcoin or are they

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more likely to buy gold? I still don't think that

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the goal is going to go anywhere, but it's not

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people will continue holding. And I think that you also

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hundred billion dollars worth of gold or something, and then

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trillion or nineteen trail, whatever it is, and then suddenly

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someone finds eight hundred billion dollars worth of gold. So

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what happens The price of gold actually goes down because

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there's more supply. With bitcoin, that can't happen, right, You

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have a finite supply of bitcoin, and it will only

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be more expensive and harder to mind over time. And

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that you see these ETFs and you know, the black

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you know what I mean? And so I think that

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those are the how I see both of those playing

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versus bitcoin.

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Speaker 4: All right, well, hey, so what what's your take on

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the on those coins? Though like instantly the Trump coin

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was worth thirty billion dollars, I haven't looked to see

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what it what it's going to be now, but you

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know what it's rating at now, but pretty shocking. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw when it came out and within the

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hour it was I saw it when it was like

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a dollar or two, and then it went to like

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seventy five and in the next forty hours after.

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Speaker 2: So I think the way to think about meme coins,

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Speaker 1: The first means and I didn't really get it personally,

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like speculation.

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Speaker 1: But what you're what are you buying when you're mean point,

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you're not really buying the utility of the coin. There's

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not really a utility. But you know, it's it's sort

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of like a cult. It's like belonging to something. It's

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belonging to the club. Right, So I'm amento of his victory, right, yeah, exactly.

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you like you're loyal to that college, or think about

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a fraternity you're joined, or a club you're a part of,

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that you are a part of something. And I think

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that that's what mean coins really are. And so people

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move such a large amount of people than the ation

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with these meme coins in the future. And then people

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then people sell it, and that is what it is,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So it's like you can buy a Maga hat

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So when we look forward to when we have

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this conversation next January, where do you think crypto is

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Speaker 1: I think that crypto will continue to have an upward momentum,

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a larger and margin role. If you look at the

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Speaker 1: And I think that if you haven't still gotten into

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but is a dfive project. And over the last three

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days they bought I think it was they bought forty

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seven and they kind of wanted to make it commemorative

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to his presidential nations. So they bought like forty seven

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billion or forty seven million dollars worth a bitcoin, four

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point seven million dollars of all these all coins a

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bunch of eighth and so, you know, would they be

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doing that if they didn't think that crypto is going

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to play a big part in this. So, I mean,

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the signs are all here, you know, and this is

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like one of those moments in time. What I've been

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thinking to myself over this past weekend, not only as

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a founder of a company but also just be in

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the space, is what would I wish I'd known back

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in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen when this crypto market were

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just starting to boom that I didn't do And how

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can I really think about that and how my business

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is going to be impacted or how my financial future

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is going to impact it in this regime and or

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this future that we're kind of getting into now.

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Speaker 4: All right, well, I think we'll leave it at that,

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but definitely interesting times ahead. Dan. How do we find

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you on the web? How do we connect with you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, my Twitter is at nevias Underscore AI.

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Speaker 1: You can also check out our company at Modemobile dot

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com doing a lot of stuff in the consumer space

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and also in the web three space for everyday consumers.

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Speaker 4: Excellent. Appreciate that I've got a question for Dan myself.

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Shoot me an email kl Atcarrielets dot com. You'll find

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