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brexits coming to your ears. Now, what's up? Friendos are

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welcome into the End This League Fantasy Football Podcast with

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Scott Bogman and the Welsh that is us. Today we

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are finishing out our primer series on ranks using Expert

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Consensus ranks. We have talked about running backs, We've talked

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about wide receivers. We've compared against projections and the ECR

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getting you set creating a baseline for what the positions

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and fantasy are going to look like this year and

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today we are finishing off with a combo not Taco

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Bell Pizza hut, but a quarterback tight end grouping where

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we will go through the top ish end quarterbacks and

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what tight ends are looking like, projections, a little bit

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of sprinkle in on Bogman's ranks. That's what we've got

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in store for you. If you guys would like to

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see Bogman's ranks, ooh, he'll show you yours if you

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showed him your wallet. Go to inn this league dot com.

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to Superflex. There's Dynasty, there's Redraft. You can see what

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he's got going on. Mine should be up at the

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very beginning of July if you care about that. So

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lots of different ranks. Plus you can be a part

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of all of the conversation if you' joining the group

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a lot of people, are you know, jumping in and

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tech based. We keep it like that. Plus, you can

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be a part of mock drafts that we do never

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know if we're starting up leagues and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Those rankings are going to be getting a fresh coat

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this weekend as well. I've been spending last couple of

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weeks writing my IDP primer for the Fantasy Pros Draft Guide,

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so I've been spending a lot of time on the

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IDP side. So I'm going to flip this weekend. And

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I don't think I'll have too many adjustments obviously on

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the IDP siditarian Arnold, you know adjustment, good Lord, in

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a couple others. So but yeah, you'll be doing it

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this weekend.

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Speaker 2: After the World Cup where Bogwin's going a little bit

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of World Cup.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I'm gonna scratch this off the bucket list,

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and it's Cape Verde versus Saudi Arabia, the most popular

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game you've ever seen. Well, I'll tell you what. I

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wasn't sure how popular this game in particular would be,

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and apparently it is going to be extremely popular.

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Speaker 2: Oh you saw the Reselle value, Yeah, craze, Okay, yeah,

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okay to to buy?

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Speaker 1: Who is this?

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Speaker 2: Camp Verde? Camp Verde is a town in Phoenix too.

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Speaker 1: If Cape Verde is a it has a population of

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six hundred thousand. They speak Portuguese. I've looked them up.

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By the way, you want to know who you're going

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to be, who you're rooting for. I honestly do not care.

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I just want to see how crazy it gets. Like

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lot of Bowl games. So I've seen a lot of

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like big sports environments. So I'm very curious to see

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what the World Cup is like and uh, you know,

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the fans and all that. I think it's just going

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World Series and then I've been to WrestleMania. I've also

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Speaker 1: But forgot was that both that WrestleMania and Royal Rumble

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Speaker 2: Not so not only have you done all of those

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things I said, but you've been to All Star games.

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a Texas Bowl game where where one of the players

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ran up to you with your camera after they scored

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a touchdown. Like you've had some definitely biggest queen yours

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quin yours. That's right.

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Speaker 1: So I guess we will not talk about him today

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Speaker 2: No, you won't not be on here. But yeah, World

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Cup is on that list, so after the fact, you

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guys will know the results. But Bogman has the covered there,

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so hopefully you guys go and check it out with.

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Speaker 1: The first time at NRG Stadium too. I have not

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gone to NRG since I don't know that that's why

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the Texans play. Oh okay, yeah, so I just I

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haven't been there. I did read that there are conditioning

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Speaker 2: Strout will be there to watch the game. Maybe most

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games attended will be the weren't me at Pelief in

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Lone Roads at a World Cup game recently? I believe

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maybe as an NBA may also I think that was

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an AI. Think it's been an AI trend. Sure, yeah,

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I think that's going on. But she does live in Houston, Tallas.

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friends with her and would hang out. It was in

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: All right, Today we are going to be talking again

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about the quarterback and tight end ranks. I've got projections.

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which obviously is fifty plus rankers that put their ranks

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in preseason draft ranks on Fantasy Pros, and the ECR

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creates kind of a just an overall consensus that's pretty

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easy to understand. And then there's a projection system, a

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consensus projection system. We're using that as the baseline. Bogman

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ranks episode. This is just for you to understand the position.

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So we'll be talking about the ranks, not going nuts

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about where they're placed, but maybe having a couple you know,

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conversation pieces around some of these players. Probably you know,

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we'll get into like the fifteen plus of the quarterbacks,

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the remain guys that you're taking same thing on tight ends.

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You know, Tier three for Fantasy pros goes to fifteen

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tight ends. That'll kind of be where the discussion relatively

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stops in cases a couple other things. So that's what

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we're going to be getting set for. So strap in,

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let's not waste any more time. You guys already know

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what to do. Go to in this league. Dot com,

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support your boys, follow us on Twitter is the wels

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can do that. Otherwise, let's take a break. When we

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come back, we're going to start up with quarterbacks. What

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does the ECR and tier look like? Look at some projections,

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and then we will jump to tight ends. We'll do

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it all right after this. It's in this league, no

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one ask you anything ever. So whomever's in this league,

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I don't you take a letter opener name quarterback ranks.

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DC are looking at the tiers.

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Speaker 1: This is what we've got.

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Speaker 2: So my company, our company, Fantasy Pros, with the ECR here,

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we definitely can have a conversation about the overarching I mean,

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you know, top tier tight ends or quarterbacks are great.

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has changed there tight ends. I feel a lot more

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pressed from people. We'll talk about it, I guess in

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a tiny bit, but people like ha Fitz Morris and

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you there's a lot of people are more like I

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want the top tier tight end more than ever, don't

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want to screw around, and maybe even last year pushed

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to that. But we'll get there. Going to quarterbacks though,

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quarterbacks one through three are a tier on Fantasy Pros.

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This is i mean, pretty close to last year, except

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obviously the new addition. But Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, they

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just kind of live here. They're in this spot. Josh

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Allen is number one, Lamar Jackson is number two, but

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Drake May comes in as number three. That is the

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top tier. Last season, Josh Allen scored the most points

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per game with twenty two. Drake May was number two

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with twenty one point one. Though Lamar Jackson only played

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thirteen games. We don't care about his total Fantasy points.

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He did only average seventeen point one Fantasy points per game.

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Most passing yards goes to Drake May over almost forty

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four hundred, thirty almost thirty seven hundred for Josh Allen,

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twenty five hundred in the thirteen games for Lamar Jackson.

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Touchdowns passing goes to Drake May with thirty one. Josh

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Allen had twenty five, Lamar Jackson twenty one in a

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short amount of games. And Lamar Jackson also had the

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lowest interceptions, but Drake mainly had eight, also impressive, and

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on the rushing side, it actually went to Josh Allen,

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not Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson didn't miss a significant significant

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amount of games that this number should be so low

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if we're being honest, only.

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Speaker 1: Three had a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that's what it was. It took away

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from there, but five seventy nine to Josh Allen, four

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point fifty to Drake May and three forty nine to

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Lamar Jackson. Lamar scored no rushing touchdowns last year, and

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everything was Josh Allener's fourteen rushing touchdowns so that is

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the lay of the land on this setup. I'll talk

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about projections. Boggs, what do you think about this? Is

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this a true tier one where all three of them

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are interchangeable. I think your ranks are pretty similar to it.

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and do you want to own one of them knowing

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what the cost is going to be, which is going

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to be relatively high.

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Speaker 1: I mean probably not because I also include Joe Burrow

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and jayde Daniels in this tier. So I probably would

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rather roster one of those guys because I know the

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cost is going to be down because they aren't in

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this tier and I have them in this tier. But

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strategy still. But like you said earlier, if we're doing

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the bit between, you're either taking a high end quarterback

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or a high end tight end because you don't want

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to do hashtag top tier players. You want to get

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depth running BA and wide receiver. I'm picking tight end still,

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so I just think quarterback is just deeper. Although I

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do think tight end is deeper, and I think it's

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more even this year. I was more on the tight

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end train last year. Obviously it didn't work out with

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rock Bowers being number one because he got hurt, but

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I still would rather have a top tier tight end

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and than a top tier quarterback in a non super

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flex lead.

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Speaker 2: So technically, if we're looking at like the overall ranks

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the ECR not just positionally they all are. Technically if

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you're playing in a twelve team, we're going to just

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assume that for a second and not super flex. This

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changes in super flex if you're just looking at single

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quarterback twelve team. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Drake May

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are all third round picks, but Josh Allen Costu almost

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the very tippy top of the first round. Drake May

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is at the very back thirty five overall, and then

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there's a little bit of a gap which is telling

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the mid fourth, and then you if you having if

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a second, which work in favor. Do you think Drake

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deal pool. Yeah, He's kind of the guy where it's

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like if I could risk getting him in the beginning

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of the fourth or you know, early third, that's kind

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of the thing that's like enticing to me if if

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I were to play in that pool, that would be

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the one guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, I think Drake May is going to

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have a great year. I will say that there are

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some people that probably push him too fast and expect,

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you know, the repeatability from the easy schedule and all

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that from last season, which I would probably pump the

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brakes on a little bit. But the addition of AJ

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Brown is enormous for Drake May, so I think they

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kind of counteract each other. So that's why I still

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have Drake May as a top three quarterback and I

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have no issue drafting him. He's going to be outstanding. Again,

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I do think that the path is going to be

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a little harder, but I think AJ Brown equals that out.

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Speaker 2: So here's a really interesting thing in there's a lot

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of cool things here in the projections. If you care

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about this. First off, Josh Allen is number one of

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the projections, but he is so much more than the

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next guy. It's not funny. It's three seventy two projected

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points for Josh Allen. Drake May comes in at number

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two at a projected three twenty six, So that's roughly

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forty five forty eight points something. We're in that range.

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Do you think Josh Allen is a forty plus point

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differential from the next guy, because then you're starting to

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get into kind of a little bit of Joe's RPV

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the position value type of thing. Where is he is

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he truly that much more valuable than the next quarterback

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in your mind?

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he'll finish this season forty

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points ahead of the next guy. But I'll say that

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if there's a likelihood for one player to do it,

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it is Josh Allen by a lot. Right. We are

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like Lamar had the injury stuff last year. So if

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we want to start saying, Okay, maybe Lamar is getting older,

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maybe he's not gonna run as much, there's holes to poke.

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I feel like in everybody else except Josh Allen. Josh

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Allen gets the same offense with a better wide receiving

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corps this season, right, You get Dj Moore, you get

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Dalton k and Kaid presumably more healthy. You add Skyler

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Bell to this mix as well. So I really like

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Josh Allen is definitely number one to me by a

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decent margin, not enough to put him in his own tier.

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Like I said, I don't think he's gonna outscore people

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by forty points for the season, but I think the

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consistency puts him there.

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Speaker 2: Projections due which is interesting. He's projected thirty eight hundred

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passing yards, twenty seven and a half touchdowns, eleven picks, whatever,

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but almost six hundred rushing yards and twelve rushing touchdowns.

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So that's the rushing touchdowns is the marker that goes

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kind of ballistic. Drake may is projected for the most

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between these three, the most pass attempts, most yards, four

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thy sixty one, twenty eight touchdowns, ten picks, five hundred

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rushing yards and just around four rushing touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: So we could easily see his rushing like his touchdowns

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could go way up because he runs as well. They

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just didn't.

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Speaker 2: That was that was kind of the thing last year though,

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I remember like fits and his credit and it's kind

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of funny. Fitz was kind of doing the like, Hey,

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Drake May is gonna pop because I think you're gonna

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see a lot more design run plays. We actually really didn't,

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but it was everything else. He was so much more efficient.

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It was like it was the thing that Fitzy was

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want to score early, Like yeah, and if that were

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to change this year, I think Drake May is capable

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of it, but they don't seem to scheme the offense,

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and that especially because of how proficient of a he is.

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I don't know if it gets to that level, but

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there is the potential. Lamar Jackson is projected number three,

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So here's the next one. I was saying, like, there's

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some cool, fun stuff in here. This is what I

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think is interesting, Lamar. And to your point, Lamar Jackson

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is projected as a third quarterback. But Jadon Daniels in

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the projections is not only the fourth projected quarterback, he's

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point zero one points away from Lamar Jackson. So if

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you were to buy into that wi old value change

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where Lamar is going inside the top thirty. Jade Daniels

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almost go outside the top sixty. Lamar Jackson projected thirty

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six hundred yards, twenty eight touchdowns under ten picks around

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six one hundred and fifty yards. They are low projecting

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the rushing touchdowns, but you know there's a Derrick Henry thing.

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Speaker 1: I guess.

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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels is projected for a few more passing yards

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twenty four touchdowns, which is less more rushing yards than

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Lamar Jackson, and more rushing touchdowns six't eighty five with

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four point seven, So that kind of speaks to you.

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So Lamar Jackson is number three, but there's a point

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zero one differential between three and four quarterbacks, and then

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a flight note the fifth quarterback is two points projected

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lower than Jaydon Daniels, and that quarterback is not Joe Burrow,

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that is Jalen Hurts. So just any thoughts on the

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Lamar Jackson Jayden Daniels close differential.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense. And the reason that I

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put those five in my Tier one is because I

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think these are the five quarterbacks capable of finishing as

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QB one this year, Like these are the five that

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I would bet money on to do it. But I

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think it's fair to have Daniels at five, even though

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the points separator is so small because of the injuries

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he's coming off of. Joe Burrow has a history of injuries,

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and of course we saw a lot of Joe Flacco

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in Sincy last year as well, So maybe even those

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guys should be in a tier of their own because

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of their recent injury history, right, And I just can't

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every time I watch Jane Daniels play, he's so good,

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he's so much fun to watch, but I all, like

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Fitz said this one time, and it just plays in

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the back of my brain. He runs around like a

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crash test Tommy and he absolutely does right. Like he

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is like just so one for why Brandon Ayuk wants

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to play with him, He's just so one for one

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as an RG three comparison, it's kind of crazy. Like

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I do think that JD's career is going to end

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faster than it should because of an injury, because he

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runs like crazy and he's got a you know, he's

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got a slim frame for the NFL.

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Speaker 2: So very interesting, very interesting for there going into the

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next tier of quarterbacks. Ecr's got it is five, so

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it is Joe Burrow. We mentioned it four, Jade Daniels

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at five, Jalen Hurts is at six, followed by Kayleb

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Williams at seven, and Justin Herbert. So that's where that

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grouping ends. Uh, Jaden Daniels and Jalen Hurts are literally

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next to each other on the overall ranks, So you know,

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Burrow's a little bit ahead. I think Danielson Hurts are

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in a tier. Then it goes Caleb after a little bit,

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and then Herbert a little bit. Looking statistically at them,

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you had from a points per game perspective, Jalen Hurts

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was actually the number one on the points per game side.

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He didn't miss one. He didn't play one game. Kind

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of an interesting thing to think about. I'm not a

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big Jalen Hurts guy, but now you take aj Brown

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out of it, and it's like, is he gonna just

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run more? You know, he's gonna just just tuck the

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ball and just go a little bit more. He had

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the most. Caleb Williams was point one away. He also

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had nineteen projected points. Herbert was number three, followed by

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Joe Burrow and then Jayden Daniels. That's a points per

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game so not focusing on the overall points. From a

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passing yards perspective, Caleb Williams was the leader at thirty

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nine hundred. Justin Herbert was right below him at thirty

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seven hundred. He did play one less game everybody else.

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It's kind of a mess most touchdowns passing touchdowns maybe

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or actually that was number three on there, but very close.

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Caleb Williams is number one at twenty seven. Si to Herbert,

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I was going to say, I'm actually surprised that the

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Jalen Hurts one with twenty six. I forgot how close

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that was. Joe Burrow was a seventeen and five seventeen touchdowns,

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five picks in eight games, so he probably would have

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projected on a full season that would have gone into

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the mid thirties, and that would have put him closer.

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I mean, that probably would have been the league lead

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if frankly her that would have been right next to

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who is at Jared Goff who had thirty Well, actually

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Stafford led the way. Jared Goff had thirty four, so

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he would have been like number two on the rushing

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side here. Jalen Hurts for twenty one. He led the

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way with over one hundred carries Justin Herbert, actually I

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had the most yards. I keep screwing this up four

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ninety eight as I'm trying to scroll back and forth.

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He was the leader four hundred for Hurts, three eighty

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three for Kleb Williams. Everybody else was lower and the

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most rushing touchdowns Jalen Hurts with eight, which is actually

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kind of a down for a Jalen Hurt season. So

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that's the structure of all of these guys. You actually

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have almost everybody the same rank as ECR except for

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one pair that you swap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's WT Caleb Williams Justin Herbert. But I have

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them in the same tier. And the difference to me

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is that Caleb Williams is going to his second season

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with Ben Johnson. He keeps the same main role players.

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DJ Moore is gone, but him and DJ Moore famously

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did not connect very well. So you're gonna see more

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Colson Lovelum or Roma Dun'sday or Luther Burden this year.

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I think that's all going to be great for him.

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In the second year with Ben Johnson, I think it's

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going to take a nice step. Justin Herbert's still great.

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The upside is still enormous. Like I said, I still

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only have them one spot different. The difference is justin

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Herbert has, you know, a new offense to learn. So

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I think that's the slight bump towards Caleb Williams is

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why I have that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like he's probably the most polarizing of

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all these players. I don't know about you. I feel

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like there's an inherent like concern about what Herbert's going

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to be with McDaniel there, and like, you know, are

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they going to get more run heavy and maybe short ballfield?

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Like I mean, maybe that's just being overplayed. But Caleb

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is the one that I think has the is just

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the most polarizing because like what could this next step be?

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Maybe someone sees Jalen Hurts in that respect, like I

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said before, take aj Brown out of it. Does Jalen

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Hurts just like keep the ball a little bit more,

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you know?

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Speaker 1: Or does he throw more? Because he just almost refused

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to throw towards a J I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, I guess if you assumed that was the thing,

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if you assume there really was a rift and he

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just didn't want to throw it there, like I don't know,

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it could go either way, Caleb Williams one is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: What's your little getting a new offense too, by the way,

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and that's.

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Speaker 2: What's your interest in Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to ask you, because you just

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talk very minimally, very minimal. I have a bigger tier

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from six to eleven, so when and I like the

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next tier down as well. So I just think there's

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a lot of quarterbacks to pick from beyond the top ones,

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which is why I kind of want to get a

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top one. I'm just not really willing in most scenarios

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to spend for a top one, so so I like

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this group so because I have Hurts at the top,

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meaning his cost, and it relates to his costs as well.

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You know, I just can't see myself really ever drafting.

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Speaker 2: Hurts interesting thing here, So I guess I won't make

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too much about it because technically in this tier, Jaden

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Daniels is high projected. He's four projected four Jalen Hurts,

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as I mentioned, he's right with Jayden Daniels at three

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hundred and twenty two point five thirty five hundred passing

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touchdowns twenty four I'm sorry, thirty five hundred passing yards,

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twenty four touchdowns, four to sixty one rushing and around

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nine rushing touchdowns, so maybe a little bit higher there.

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He's up in the top five. Joe Burrow as well,

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is right after that. Joe Burrow's projection is a little

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bit lower forty one hundred and thirty three touchdowns like

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rushing touchdown, but it's lower than Jalen Hurts and Daniels.

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But something I wanted to throw at you. After those guys,

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there's still a couple of guys in our tier. There

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is a five player differential before we get to the

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next projected guy in this tier. Does that make sense

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how I said that?

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Speaker 1: So in this tier there's five guys that aren't in

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this tier projected above the last guy in Burrow, Daniels,

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and Hurts are relatively projected close.

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00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: Before we get to the next guy, which is Caleb

476
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,440
or Herbert, there are five players with higher projected season

477
00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:22,839
totals until we get two.

478
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: Can I guess them?

479
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:29,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, But justin Herbert is the guy with five

480
00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:32,599
players in between projected higher than him.

481
00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:36,039
Speaker 1: M And he said Caleb isn't in that group.

482
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: Caleb is lower than Herbert. There's actually a guy between

483
00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:41,319
Herbert and Caleb Williams as well.

484
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I think I got it all right. Stafford is

485
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:46,359
in there?

486
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: Incorrect?

487
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: Wow? Right, Gate Guy average twenty one point one points

488
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,599
last year. Jared Goff.

489
00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:57,799
Speaker 2: Incorrect.

490
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,279
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence.

491
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,839
Speaker 2: Correct one of them that is one. Jackson Dart is.

492
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: Two, Dak Prescott that is three. Is Mahomes in there?

493
00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:09,319
Speaker 2: He is?

494
00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:13,319
Speaker 1: He's four games one more. I have no idea who

495
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,839
the last one of the Bonecks, brock Perty, brock Purty

496
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,279
is the one.

497
00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:20,559
Speaker 2: Brock Purty is actually projected from more than Dak Lawrence

498
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,160
or Patrick Mahomes. Five players in the projections higher than

499
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:29,880
justin Herbert. Now close? Is Herbert is the last one

500
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,960
of the three hundred plus projectors?

501
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: Do they have games on there? It does? Is Herbert?

502
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,000
How many pass attempts for Herbert? Then?

503
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 2: Five hundred and twenty nine?

504
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: Okay five twelve last year in sixteen games, so that

505
00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:46,240
that's basically got him for seventeen.

506
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, every player above those players above him we just mentioned,

507
00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:52,039
not like Lamar and stuff, every one of them, but

508
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,119
Jackson Darter projected for more past attempts on it. Herbert

509
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,279
has projected thirty eight hundred yards, twenty six touchdowns four

510
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,279
fifty nine on the ground, but only two rushing touchdowns

511
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,720
twenty six and almost.

512
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: Probably want him to run less because he's running for

513
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,000
his damn life less well, and also like mc vaniel,

514
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,920
you know they got ankle injuries too, Herbert, So.

515
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:15,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that's interesting, Like that doesn't vibe.

516
00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,559
That's probably Caleb and Herbert are the two quarterbacks on

517
00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:23,279
the negative that don't vibe rank to projection because Caleb

518
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,279
has bo Nixon between them, and there's a little bit

519
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,440
of a drop. I mean there's I guess it's it's

520
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,039
pretty minimal actually, But Kayler Williams is projected thirty eight

521
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,799
hundred almost twenty seven passing touchdowns, four hundred rushing and

522
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,839
two rushing touchdowns, nine point three picks. Again, like there's

523
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,920
if we look at ten points, there's a ten point

524
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,200
separator between like him and Brock Purty, and then if

525
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,519
you want to go lower than him, there's a couple

526
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,480
more guys. But Caleb Williams, like what where's the rank again?

527
00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,680
He is next to Jalen Hurts, so six and seven. No,

528
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:08,240
Jalen Hurts is projected twenty five more points than Caleb Williams,

529
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,839
and those two are next to each other. So again

530
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,759
it's projections, but I thought that was really interesting when

531
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,279
you look at those two guys and Herbert is over Caleb.

532
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:24,880
Caleb's rank of what is it seven and ECR yeah, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

533
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,640
twelve thirty. He is fourteenth and projected at quarterback. That's

534
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,160
a pretty wild difference projections to ECR rank. Yeah, I

535
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:36,759
I whether you buy it or not, that's fine.

536
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:40,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I don't know if I do. I'm

537
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,519
pretty excited for Herbert. I'm pretty excited for Caleb, but

538
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:43,240
I like them both.

539
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: The next tier is nine through thirteen. Trevor Lawrence is

540
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000
at nine, Jackson Dart is at ten, Dak Prescott at eleven,

541
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,640
followed by Brock Purty and Patrick Mahomes. From a per

542
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,839
game basis, brock Purty was actually the highest projected per

543
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,599
game at twenty point eight. It's gonna add Mike Williams

544
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,319
to the crew, Mike Evans to the crew. Trevor Lawrence

545
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,839
was number Actually, Patrick Mahomes is number one. Man. I'm

546
00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:08,160
struggling with this today. Twenty one point one with Patrick

547
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,160
Mahomes twenty point eight with brock Purty. That's one and two.

548
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:15,000
Number three was Trevor Lawrence at twenty point six. Dart

549
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:18,400
and Prescott both struggled a little bit back on the

550
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,799
points per game yards went to Dock at forty five hundred.

551
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,200
He was your leader there. He also was a leader

552
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:28,000
in touchdowns. Trevor Lawrence went over four thousand and had

553
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:31,599
twenty nine touchdowns, so he was right there. Rock Purty

554
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:35,400
was the lowest, but that was also a per game thing.

555
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,480
Patrick Mahomes in fourteen games, had twenty two touchdowns rushing side.

556
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,559
Jackson Dart led the way and he only played fourteen

557
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,759
games and had just five hundred yards with nine rushing touchdowns.

558
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,799
Trevor Lawrence also had nine rushing touchdowns with three point

559
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,720
fifty nine. Mahomes was up there as well. You gotta

560
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:54,400
wonder with injuries if the rushing side is going to

561
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,640
go down a little bit. So that's a little bit

562
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,839
of the overarching is nonsensicals. I made that everybody in

563
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,720
there nine through twelve is still a QB one. Patrick

564
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,240
Mahomes kind of falls out of that at thirteen. Does

565
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,160
anybody not belong here? I feel like you're gonna say Mahomes.

566
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think Mahomes plays the first like three

567
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,640
to four weeks of the season. Everyone is insistent that

568
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,000
he's going to be back for week one, But instead

569
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:20,920
of saying yes, he's working on coming back in week one,

570
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,039
he is saying, you know, Andy Reid is saying he's

571
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,480
working real hard, he's doing his best. And I think

572
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:34,359
most coaches are pretty pollyanna your favorite word, and most

573
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,359
of them would say, yeah, we're really working to get

574
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,400
him back here for week one. Andy Reid just won't

575
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,680
say that. So whether it's just like you know, he

576
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,640
doesn't want to jinx it or something, maybe that's it,

577
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:47,319
but I don't I just don't think he's back. He

578
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,440
tours ACL in December, so I think he'd be absurd

579
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:53,920
to rush him back with all of the money he's

580
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,279
supposed to make, so I think he misses like at

581
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:00,240
least the first couple weeks, maybe the first month. So

582
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,599
I don't think he could. He can be up here

583
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,559
and he's going to be recovering from this knee injury

584
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,759
all year. You know less for quarterbacks than it is

585
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:10,359
for any other position. I understand that, but it's still

586
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,559
your ACL is pretty important. So I don't think he's

587
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,720
back as fast as other people do, And if he is,

588
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,799
I think they're pushing him too fast.

589
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: I wonder if this is projecting a full seventeen or

590
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,160
if this is projecting like fifteen. I'd be really.

591
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,559
Speaker 1: Interested to see that attempts for him.

592
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,519
Speaker 2: Five point fifty two.

593
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:32,279
Speaker 1: That's got to be a full season.

594
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then if you want to just like self

595
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,359
adjust it and take two games off there, then you

596
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,680
know he's probably sitting closer, you know, to QB two

597
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,079
and superflex or whatever. What do you think about Jackson

598
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,279
Dart being the highest projected of any of the quarterbacks

599
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:53,319
in this tier? He is within one singular point projected

600
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,359
of Joe Burrow three thirty six hundred passing yards, twenty

601
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,119
two hundred passing touchdowns, five fifty rushing and six and

602
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,440
a half rushing touchdowns, So actually less projected touchdowns, but

603
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,640
he's within one projected point of Joe Burrow. By it,

604
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:08,319
yeah or nay?

605
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if he plays a full season, yes, But

606
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:16,559
I think there's so much variance for Jackson Dart. Repeatability

607
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,200
from a good year is number one. We're obviously getting

608
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,039
a whole new coaching staff. So that's it. Things are

609
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:26,519
going to be different for him. Molik Neighbors recovery and

610
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:28,559
then the second surgery. How long is he going to

611
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,480
be out? Is he back for week one? And if

612
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,119
he is, is he still Malik Neighbors? Right, you add

613
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,200
issaya likely? But you take away Wandelle Robinson's it just

614
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:40,519
looks so different than it did last year. If we

615
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,160
want to say that Jackson Dart has the most upside

616
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,240
of this group, I'll I'll agree with that because of

617
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:49,759
his rushing, right, But I just don't know how you

618
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,279
could how you could accurately predict what type of season

619
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,599
Jackson Dart is going to have. There's a lot of

620
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,839
upside there, so I have him. I only have Trevor

621
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,039
Lawrence ahead of I think, out of this group. So yeah,

622
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,839
I I there's a lot of upside there. He just

623
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,799
very risky. Like if I draft Jackson Darham drafting another

624
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,240
quarterback for the bench, I.

625
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: Think that's okay. It is kind of weird though, because

626
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,519
he's the lowest of this tier on a per game basis.

627
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:18,720
So if you want to take away the total points,

628
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:21,720
he does get Malik Neighbors back, but then you have

629
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,559
a lower projected rushing total, which is like, you know,

630
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:28,240
and maybe they're gonna want that more Cam's back. You know,

631
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:30,400
they don't want Dart to be throwing his body into

632
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:32,640
to everybody, like maybe he should be projected in a

633
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,319
lower rushing total. So is there enough in the passing

634
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,519
game to justify like twenty two, twenty three, twenty four touchdowns,

635
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,440
Milik Neighbor's coming back makes that feel good, But you

636
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:43,240
kind of don't know the next tier as we We're

637
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,839
gonna kind of end this out here because this tier

638
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,559
goes fourteen to twenty one. The core is at the top,

639
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,880
bo Nick's at fourteen, Matthew Stafford's at fifteen, Jared Goff

640
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,039
at sixteen, and Kyler Murray at seventeen, follow by Jordan Love,

641
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,119
Baker Mayfield, Tyler Schuck, and Malik Willis. Kind of feels

642
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,319
like you can maybe in you can maybe cut Chuck

643
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,599
and Willis off if you wanted from being frank, maybe Nick,

644
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,240
Stafford and Goff should be their own tier. You have

645
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,759
Stafford the highest of anybody in this group. You have

646
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,319
him as a QB one. Statistically, Stafford was the highest

647
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,000
on a per game basis. You kind of mentioned this

648
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:18,799
twenty one point one points. That's the same amount per

649
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,000
game as Drake May and he's like, Homes, Yeah, Patrick Mahomes,

650
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:25,559
he's being thrown down here. He obviously led the way

651
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,799
in passing touchdowns with forty six forty seven hundred yards,

652
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,480
and he's really being thrown down here, which is it

653
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:35,279
is goofy he was last year in QB points and

654
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,319
by the way his offense is returned, he's the same

655
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,160
running backs, he has the wide receivers, you know, like

656
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:43,960
it is. It is an oddity. So we can definitely

657
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920
talk about that. Bo Nicks thirty nine hundred, twenty five

658
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,480
passing touchdowns three fifty six with the most rushing yards,

659
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:54,200
most rushing touchdowns of any of the players here. Jared

660
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:58,519
Goff averaged so maybe a surprising seventeen point nine points

661
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,359
per game. That's essentially with Jackson dart was. It's more

662
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,920
than Jayden Daniels, but that's less than you know, justin

663
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,119
Herbert or brock Purdy by a wide margin. He averages

664
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,920
a lot less forty five hundred yards though thirty four touchdowns,

665
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,920
so a lot closer to golf in that respect. Let's

666
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,519
just kind of stop. There is a real stopper Bonicks,

667
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:23,000
Stafford and Golf. Bo Nicks is the highest projected of

668
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:26,559
all three of those players. That does seem a little wild.

669
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,240
It's pretty close to Stafford and Golf, within three points

670
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,559
of Stafford and Golf. But does it shock you to

671
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,559
know that Nicks is projected higher than Stafford.

672
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: No, and I when I make adjustments, I may move

673
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:43,880
Nicks up a spot here, but because I really love

674
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,319
the addition of Jalen Waddle. But it doesn't surprise me

675
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,640
that he's so high because he has that rushing upside. Right,

676
00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:53,000
Like we know because you pointed this out a couple times.

677
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:55,960
I think in his rookie year, maybe it was last year,

678
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:03,640
but that Bo Nicks won't run win given chances. He

679
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,680
won't obviously run like some of these other guys do.

680
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,599
Jackson Dart takes off every chance he gets. So does

681
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,239
Drake May, so does Jane Daniels. Right, bo Nix is

682
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,079
way more patient with it.

683
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,599
Speaker 2: But he every time I bet his rushing prop, every

684
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,960
time I go for his rushing prop, he just he

685
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:20,400
stands with the line and waits and waits and waits

686
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,039
and drive me absolutely insane.

687
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,159
Speaker 1: Right, But we know he has that in him because

688
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,800
we've seen him have big rushing games. So the upside

689
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,320
is there for Brock Party and they may need it

690
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,519
a little more this year, or just having better wide

691
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:35,000
receivers this season may make it easier for him to

692
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,159
run a little bit. Maybe a little bit. Maybe Jonah

693
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,960
Coleman works and the run game is a little bit better,

694
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,000
soo his RPOs are more effective. So there's a lot

695
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:44,000
of upside for brock Party. So I'm not really surprised

696
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:46,519
at him having a high ranking here or projections.

697
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 2: I guess you mean Bonex. You said brock Party.

698
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Bonex, My bad, Okay.

699
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray's interesting going to presumed he's going to have

700
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,440
the spot. You almost kind of can't look at anything here.

701
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,400
Jordan Love was only sixty point one points per game.

702
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,880
You just want to see him pass the ball more,

703
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,679
you know, is for it. I mean, if you play

704
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:07,079
the other two games, it could have been a little

705
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:08,960
bit more. But please pass the fricking ball.

706
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,559
Speaker 1: But a lot depends on what's going on with Josh

707
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:16,960
Shacops right, Like is if Josh Jacobs is getting a suspension, woo,

708
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,079
Jordan Love is gonna pass the ball a lot they

709
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,039
don't have another running back. They're gonna go to the

710
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:24,599
well and sign Najie Harris or Joe Mixon or somebody

711
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,280
left on the scrappy, I would assume because Marshawn Lloyd

712
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,800
ain't gonna get it done. Yeah, so, uh, something's gonna happen,

713
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,079
But they will. They will have to rely on Jordan

714
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,960
love Way more. If Jacobs gets a lengthy suspension. We

715
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,760
have no idea what your quick that investigation is going

716
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:39,960
to be.

717
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: Are you a buyer of Kyler Murray in Minnesota?

718
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: Yes, I am because of Kevin O'Connell right, Like, I

719
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,679
think Kevin O'Connell's still a very good offensive schemer. I

720
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,119
think the issues last year were from the capability of

721
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,400
the quarterback. I don't think Kyler Murray is the best

722
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,000
quarterback in the NFL by a decent margin. I would

723
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:01,639
say he's above average, and he has Justin Jefferson, Jordan

724
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:05,480
Addison and TJ. Howkinson, and like, they're very good targets.

725
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,239
So I'll be in on Kyler Murray in a super flex. Yes.

726
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: Does it surprise you to know that Tyler Shuck is

727
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,239
projected from more fantasy points than Baker.

728
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:19,079
Speaker 1: Mayfield yes, it does. I'll say, like the Shuck train

729
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:22,239
is pretty loud right now, because you know, chryst Olave

730
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,960
had a massive year. You add Travis Etn, you add

731
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:29,599
Jordan Tyson and Bryce Lance and Oscar delp Right, there's

732
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,159
a lot of targets being added here for Shuck. So

733
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,360
that' kind of giving him no excuses of you know, hey,

734
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,119
look you have to be pretty good. But I mean Baker,

735
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,960
there's such a clear difference in Baker before and after

736
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,960
the shoulder entry last year. I think he's going to

737
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,519
come out guns blazing this year. And again, Baker's one

738
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:51,320
of those guys every time we doubt him, he proves

739
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,320
us wrong every time. So I'm not doubting Baker anymore.

740
00:36:54,679 --> 00:36:56,159
Speaker 2: Last thing, and then I just am meant to do

741
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,440
a quick run through on superflex and what like the

742
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,360
first round looks like based on rank, is there anybody

743
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:04,159
not in that top twenty one that you think is

744
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,119
agreed the tiers? Because what do we go through one, two, three,

745
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,400
four tiers? Here there are players like c. J. Stroud,

746
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,000
Kim Ward, Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, Jacoby Brire said, blah

747
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,920
blah blah. Is there anybody in here that you think

748
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,760
should be given a little bit higher of a look

749
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,719
that did not make the tier. Malik Willis snuck in

750
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,039
at the bottom of tier four. But any of those

751
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:23,840
other guys do anything for you or do you think

752
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:25,519
that looks and feels correct.

753
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,079
Speaker 1: I think it feels pretty correct. I do think that,

754
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,519
you know, I think CJ. Stroud has a chance to

755
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:32,960
make everybody look stupid. But I think I have him

756
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:36,119
right at his ECR. I have him one spot above.

757
00:37:36,519 --> 00:37:38,719
His ECR is twenty two, and I have him at

758
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,079
twenty one. You know, obviously took a big step back

759
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:46,199
last year. But great targets, dude, really good targets in Houston.

760
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,079
You still have Nico, you have Jayden Higgins, they had

761
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:51,559
and Noel. I'm pretty excited about c J. Stroud's future.

762
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,960
Good value for him this year.

763
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:55,519
Speaker 2: When you look at super flex for just a second,

764
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,840
and we can look over Fantasy Pros ECR Superflex ranks,

765
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:03,960
there there are eight quarterbacks ranked inside the top twelve.

766
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,719
I just want to want to know. I'm using twelve

767
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,719
as the baseline if you play in a fourteen or

768
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,239
fifteen or sixteen team league. I'm sorry, I'm using twelve

769
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:14,639
as the baseline, adjust yourself to ten. There are eight

770
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,079
quarterbacks inside the top twelve. The top six picks are

771
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,639
quarterbacks of Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Drake may, Burrow Hurtz,

772
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,880
and Jayden Daniels. A. Do you think that is correct

773
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,079
that there should be eight quarterbacks taken in the first

774
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,039
round of a superflex? And B do you agree that

775
00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:33,039
the top six picks should be those six quarterbacks?

776
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: I mean I have seven, but my top four picks

777
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,679
for the second round or all quarterbacks too, so I

778
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,800
would say that's about right, okay.

779
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,039
Speaker 2: And then the secondary thing is if you are playing

780
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,519
in a twelve team league, there are thirteen quarterbacks through

781
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,440
the top twenty four, so things start to break apart

782
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,079
a little bit in the second round. You said you

783
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:56,159
put four quarterbacks in there. The second round starts to

784
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,760
get more wide receiver heavy. So thirteen total quarterbacks in

785
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,880
the top two rounds. Do you buy that Patrick Mahomes

786
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,800
is number thirteenth, he's the last pick. I know you're

787
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,360
not a Patrick Mahomes guy. Whoever the hell you have

788
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,039
at thirteen is probably it. But do you think there

789
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,239
should be more? The second round should be a little

790
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,480
bit more aggressive or less? What do you think about that?

791
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: I think less because I think there are about twenty

792
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,559
five viable quarterbacks for super Flex this year, and they're

793
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,159
not always twenty five viable quarterbacks, so a little deeper

794
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,719
this year, I think you can wait a little longer

795
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,440
on that second quarterback than you have been able to

796
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:34,000
in the past. So I surprisingly, for me, I don't

797
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:35,880
have that many quarterbacks in the first two rounds.

798
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: And then last thing, is there anybody in a super

799
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,760
flex that would make you deviate from your single quarterback

800
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,719
ranks for super flex a little bit? Jennerson? What I'm

801
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,280
saying so like, there's a guy that you're like, you know, singularly,

802
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,599
when I only have one quarterback, I wouldn't want to

803
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,840
do it. Let's use an example. Jackson Dart is a player.

804
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,519
Let's say that you're like, you know what, I got

805
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,920
them at T in a single quarterback, but for a superflex,

806
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,239
I want to make sure I own him. I push

807
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,800
him up to eight at quarterback, knowing I can get

808
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,000
a veterany guy later. Is there anybody that breaks your

809
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:14,400
ranks a little bit positively or negatively in a super flex?

810
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm in my homes is really the one that I'm

811
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:21,960
the biggest difference on, and that is all from injury stuff.

812
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,079
I'm pretty high on Malik Willis. Like I think a

813
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,840
lot of people are doubting him because the targets aren't good,

814
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,840
but dude, it's going to run a lot.

815
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,159
Speaker 2: So I did six hundred and twenty eight rushing yards.

816
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:36,840
I believe that is fourth third most based off of

817
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,480
this in the NFL, quarterback would go to Malik Willis.

818
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: Might be light, he might be bailing out a lot

819
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,199
if those guys getting no separation at all.

820
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,079
Speaker 2: So by that standard, would you say, like when you're

821
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:48,679
looking at like Isaac Love and Mayfield and Schuck, is

822
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,679
Willis the guy you're willing to break your own ranks

823
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,199
a little before to get as your QB two.

824
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,639
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Yeah, Yeah, I have him at sixteen. So I'm

825
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:57,039
pretty high on Malik Willis.

826
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: Okay, then who is what is your quarterback? You just

827
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,360
answered that if you're picking quarterbacks in tiers or two quarterbacks,

828
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,360
Malik Willis is the back half of your super flex.

829
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,039
Who's the guy that you're bringing with him? Is it

830
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:07,760
Jaden and Daniels?

831
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: No, it's probably Joe Burrow, right, because I am more

832
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,480
worried about Jade Daniels running around like a crash test

833
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,599
on me. But the upside is very high. So with

834
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,599
them both being cheap, it's probably burrow. But I will

835
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:24,880
probably have a fair share of Jayden Daniels. That will

836
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:25,840
make me very nervous this.

837
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 2: Year quarterbacks in the books. There you go, let us

838
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,199
know what you guys think projections ECR, we will dig

839
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,400
much more into our own personal preferences, even though I

840
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,920
did kind of ask you there when we get into

841
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,920
our own ranks in a month or so. Whenever you

842
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,360
get to that, let's go take a look now at

843
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,360
the tight ends. Obviously in the same space, the only

844
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,360
place that you're ever doing. I guess if you do

845
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,199
a tight end premium it's more of a scott fishbowl thing.

846
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,880
We're taking lots of tight ends. You're probably ten xing

847
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,000
more super flex leagues, and you are a multi tight

848
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:59,840
end league. So the hyper focus is really the top

849
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,840
twelve to fifteen tight ends, unless there's any sneaky guys.

850
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,880
So we're looking at ECRM projections, and like many of

851
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,440
these positions, it seems very normal, I suppose, and it's

852
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,400
funny because I've actually done two tight end episodes on

853
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,920
Fantasy Pros. Now, for some reason, every Tier one is

854
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,519
three guys across every single position. I don't know why

855
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,480
that's the case anymore, but in this case it is.

856
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,440
Maybe there's one that shouldn't be your top three tight ends.

857
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,639
Rock Bauers coming in at number one on Fantasy Pros.

858
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,320
Number two is Trey McBride. Number three Colson Lovelan Loveland.

859
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,000
It jumps into this tier. Let's look at points per game.

860
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:42,159
Trey McBride dominates eighteen point six Fantasy points per game

861
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,400
last year, loses Kyler Murray and has Jacobey Brissett as

862
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,719
long as these lines of the thing as the guy

863
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,079
that's going to be playing in the ball. Rock Bowers

864
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,920
comes in it two at fourteen point seven. Colson Lovelin

865
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:56,119
is kind of complicated because the first half of the

866
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:58,840
year versus the second half, but he did average only

867
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,440
ten point three points per game on the season. Total

868
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:03,880
might be more relevant to look at like what he

869
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,360
did in the second half regardless. One hundred and sixty

870
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,400
nine targets for Trey McBride, one hundred and twenty six catches,

871
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:13,199
twelve hundred yards and eleven touchdowns far and beyond the

872
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,800
guy Bowers did not play the full slad. He played

873
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,679
twelve games, average eighty six targets, sixty four catches, probably

874
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,599
would have got into the nineties had he played a

875
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,119
full season, only six hundred and eighty yards. That really

876
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:29,079
flowed down with seven touchdowns. Colson Loveland fifty eight catches

877
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:32,559
in sixteen games, seven hundred yards, six touchdowns. That's the

878
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,679
lay of the land on tight end. Do you buy

879
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,519
Colson Lovelan being in the top three and do you

880
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:42,119
buy Brock Bowers holding the top spot over Trey McBride

881
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:46,360
when you had such an absolute dominant volume season that

882
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:47,119
just happened.

883
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: Yes, for I, my answers are weird here. Okay, so

884
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,719
let's do Colton Loveland first. Colson Loveland at three, I

885
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,199
agree with, but I agree in the tier in the

886
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,159
tier though I don't have him in that tier, I

887
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,239
do have him at third. So I do not have

888
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,599
him in the top two tiers because we saw Brock

889
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:11,000
party have a record setting year as a tight end

890
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,400
in twenty twenty four, right, and he got hurt, and

891
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,440
he had Gino Smith last year and the whole offense

892
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:18,320
was broken. It was disgusting. So I'm kind of throwing

893
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,159
away twenty twenty five for Bowers. I don't think that

894
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,320
the Cardinals are going to be able to repeat the

895
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:29,320
volume that they had last year in the passing game.

896
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,719
I don't think that is repeatable. They had the most

897
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,079
past attempts by like forty last year. It's like a

898
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:37,320
full games pass attempts is six hundred and sixty one

899
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,119
I think they had over last season. So I just

900
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,159
think the overall volume in Arizona is coming down. So

901
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,880
I think Trey McBride's value is coming down because of that,

902
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:51,119
because he made most of his I mean, he's still amazing, right,

903
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:54,840
and he still has the potential to be, you know,

904
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,400
exactly what he was last year. I don't think he

905
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,519
gets there again because it's such a ridiculous season, right,

906
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,599
and I don't think you should expect that. So I

907
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,159
do have Bowers at one, McBride at too, but I

908
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,679
have them in their own tier because they can both

909
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,440
go crazy, super saying whatever you want to say, and

910
00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:13,559
be the number one tight end by a lot. So

911
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,599
those are the two to me. Love Colson Lovelin. He

912
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,880
was tight end two after Week nine, after that massive

913
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Bengals game, but I just don't put him there quite yet.

914
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,119
Speaker 2: That's all projections. Number one is Trey McBride, Number two

915
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,360
is Brock Bowers. Number three is Colson Lovelin. And there

916
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,320
are and we're looking at half PPR, by the way,

917
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,920
not full half PPR. I would say there are significant

918
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,360
enough gaps between both of them, specifically two to three

919
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,679
Trey McBride the only tight end projected over two hundred

920
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,519
points in half PPR. You guys understanding if you play

921
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,480
in more tight end or touchdown premium leagues or you

922
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,519
do you know, more tight ends catch or more points

923
00:45:56,559 --> 00:45:59,920
for tight end catches or bonuses, just understand. Don't get

924
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,039
worked up on the points. But from an overarching perspective,

925
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,719
his gap between Brock Bowers is pretty significant. Two seven

926
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,280
to one ninety five for Bowers, McBride is projected for

927
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,400
one hundred and thirteen catches, eleven hundred yards and seven touchdowns.

928
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,840
Bowers ninety six catches about a thousand little over one

929
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,880
thousand yards and seven and a half touchdowns. Then the

930
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:24,039
gap is dramatic. To Coulson levelin one ninety five was

931
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,599
Bowers at two one sixty nine for Lovelan, So that

932
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:33,400
is twenty six point differential, seventy seven catches, nine hundred yards,

933
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:37,400
and we could round up to seven touchdowns for Colson Lovelan.

934
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:43,400
Do what is the most egregious, if anything, projection of

935
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:44,119
these three?

936
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: What's the thing one more time with the targets? What

937
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:47,239
was the targets for.

938
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: These I don't have targets. They don't have targets. Catches

939
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:53,119
one hundred and thirteen catches from McBride, ninety four catches

940
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,519
for Bowers, seventy seven for Colson Lovelin.

941
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,079
Speaker 1: Wouldn't one hundred and thirteen catches set the record again?

942
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,639
Mc pridy just said it at one twenty six, like

943
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,880
he had one hundred and sixty nine targets last year,

944
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,079
which is the most targets in a single season for

945
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:11,280
a tight end by fourteen. Before last year, there were

946
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,039
six one hundred and fifty target seasons at tight end.

947
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,039
Kelsey had done two of them. Bowers or excuse me,

948
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,440
Bowers had done one his rookie season, fifth, Tony g

949
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:26,159
had two in two thousand and four and twenty and eight,

950
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,840
and zach Ertz in twenty eighteen was the only other one.

951
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: Well, he was projected for thirteen less catches than last.

952
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: Year, so I understand, but I still think that that

953
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:36,039
is I still think one hundred and thirteen catches it

954
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,320
would be like, let me just look at this single

955
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:45,239
season tight end reception leaders. One hundred thirteen is still

956
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,360
an insane amount of reception. So I just don't think.

957
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,320
I don't think that that's really projectable. One hundred and

958
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:56,039
so one hundred twenty five last season one hundred and sixteen,

959
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,960
one hundred and fourteen, So one hundred and thirteen would

960
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,920
be the fourth most receptions by a tight end ever.

961
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:05,480
So no, I don't think that's quite right for train McBride. I,

962
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,480
like I said, I think that volume is coming down.

963
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,480
I don't think he's getting one hundred and sixty nine

964
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:11,639
targets again and one hundred and twenty six receptions or

965
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:14,719
maybe like just cut it down to one hundred. It's

966
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:15,760
still amazing.

967
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,519
Speaker 2: This, Okay, this is the thing. So even if it's

968
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:21,719
one hundred though and half PPR you're going to take

969
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,480
away let's even call it eight points, that's still more

970
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,960
points than brock powers. I think Fitzi's with you, And

971
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,800
now this isn't like our rank show, but what in

972
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:33,920
your mind, because you have Bowers at one and the

973
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,400
consensus had how does Bowers supersede McBride when you look,

974
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:39,679
is it just going to be They're going to be

975
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,159
just so much more efficient because like even when you

976
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,320
take away and you say, you know, it's one hundred catches,

977
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:48,360
unless you think the yard significantly, your touchdowns come down

978
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,559
significantly in that Cardinals offense, Like, how how does Bowers

979
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,079
jump over McBride here?

980
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: Because he's the only one in his offense that is

981
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,400
going to be getting targets. I think if somebody sets

982
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,519
the target record this year, it'll be Rock Bowers, not

983
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:07,000
Trey McBride. Again, like they just don't have other options.

984
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,400
And with a healthy Bowers and a better offense, I

985
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,840
think it's gonna be. You know, Bowers is going to

986
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,760
be the first raad almost every time. Now, last season,

987
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,920
Trey McBride was the first read by a lot thirty

988
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,519
three point nine percent. But this is kind of the

989
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:23,719
same thing that we were talking about in the wide

990
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,599
Receiver episode, which is why I'm down on the Cardinals overall. Right,

991
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,320
you add Tyler out here, you add Jeremiah Love, you

992
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,840
add these two big rushers to this year. You want

993
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,840
the ball out of the quarterback's hands, out of the

994
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,400
court because the quarterback is not good. It's Jacoby Brissett,

995
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,920
who's fine, right, like you know, borderline startable level in

996
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,400
the NFL. He's having this argument because he started many games,

997
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,039
so uh, you know, I understand his frustration with it

998
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,480
because you looked good last year. It's just the defense

999
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:55,800
was miserable. But it's gonna be somewhat similar. But you

1000
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,199
don't want to throw the ball that many times. You

1001
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,519
want to run the ball way more. So I think

1002
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:03,000
targets for everybody goes down, and that's a great answer.

1003
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,199
I think it's the opposite for the Raiders though, right

1004
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,400
like you, you were going to pass the ball more

1005
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,039
because you added a good quarterback in Fernando Mendoza and

1006
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:13,840
you don't have a lot of targets. Bowers is going

1007
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,800
to lead this team by a lot. So that is

1008
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,599
and I and dude, I go back and forth between

1009
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,280
McBride and Bowers in my brain every day. It's not

1010
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,159
an easy answer because Trey McBride is so good. I'm

1011
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:29,320
not like Fitzy. I don't Fitty wants to sell McBride

1012
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,920
everywhere you possibly can. I don't want to do that.

1013
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,440
I saw McBride at Colorado State be awesome. Everybody knew

1014
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,440
it was coming and he still got the ball. And

1015
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:38,719
he did it for the Cardinals last year too. Everybody

1016
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,519
knew it was coming and he still got the ball.

1017
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,679
I just think in Arizona, you have McBride, you have Harrison,

1018
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,960
you have Wilson, you have Jeremiah Love. Now, like, there's

1019
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:49,840
way more mouths to feed. Okay, so that's why Bowers

1020
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:50,639
gets more targets.

1021
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,679
Speaker 2: To me, knowing this and knowing that you said you

1022
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,880
want more tight ends, Brock Bowers is going sixteen overall,

1023
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,480
Trey McBride twenty two. Amplify it and say it's in

1024
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,840
the second round, in the second round, what percentage of

1025
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,039
drafts will you be spending a pick on the tight end?

1026
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,599
Probably the only quarter I thought, well, I did well.

1027
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,519
Speaker 1: It depends on what position I'm in, Because if I'm

1028
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:17,840
at the end, which is where I'm probably going to

1029
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,079
be choosing my kds most of the time, I'm just

1030
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,880
maybe it may be too early to take a tight end,

1031
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,199
or maybe too you know, too good of a wide

1032
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:27,400
receiver running back left from.

1033
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: Me, And that's a that's a prioritization I'm curious about

1034
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,960
because I think like Fitzy has kind of made it

1035
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,599
clear that it's just like he got to have one

1036
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:37,639
of those guys, So I'm not sure, like maybe if

1037
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:39,599
he had twelve, he's not going to pull the trigger

1038
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:41,679
on that because the talent poll is too good. But

1039
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,039
I got the impression that in most cases, Like I

1040
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:46,559
don't want to speak for him, but I feel like

1041
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,360
over fifty percent of leagues he's going I guess maybe

1042
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,000
that can't be the case because if he so out

1043
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:53,920
on McBride, it's only Bowers for him. Bowers is that

1044
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:56,679
she is the little bit more expensive one at sixteen.

1045
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,440
So I think if given the choice, if I just

1046
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,559
told him, hey, in the second round, you can get

1047
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:03,599
Bowers regardless of where you're at, unless you're at the

1048
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:05,559
back end of the second round, how often I feel

1049
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:07,239
like he'd say over fifty percent of the time, you

1050
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:07,960
want you.

1051
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: Know what, Yeah, and listen, here are the guys in

1052
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,960
that are I have in the second round? That it's

1053
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,360
ah Chan, Colins, Gent Those the guys I'm willing to

1054
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,360
take ahead of Bowers McBride because I have them at

1055
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,599
sixteen and seventeen so I, like I said, I think

1056
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:28,239
a quarter because in KTS, I'm gonna be picking the

1057
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,360
back end, so I can get a like a JT

1058
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:37,159
or like a Justin Jefferson and a Chan combo. Oh God,

1059
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,400
please to be fair.

1060
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,559
Speaker 2: By the way, gent A, Chan and Collins are thirteen,

1061
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:44,000
fourteen or fifteen in the overall rank, so they're literally

1062
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,599
the first three picks in the second round. So anything

1063
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:48,199
after that tight ends are probably on the.

1064
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:48,679
Speaker 1: Board for you.

1065
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: Tight Ends four through eight that is the next tier.

1066
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,559
So there's five tight ends you start with. Tyler Warren

1067
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,679
On Fantasy Pros, Tucker Craft comes in at five, Harold

1068
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,320
Fannin at six, Sam four at seven, Kyle Pitts, who

1069
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,159
just signed his new deal at eight. From a points

1070
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:05,679
per game.

1071
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: Perspective, hello, Tucker Craft did he played.

1072
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,679
Speaker 2: The least amount of games, but he averaged fourteen point

1073
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,199
seven points per game while he was there. He caught

1074
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,480
six touchdowns for four eighty nine. Obviously they're all lows

1075
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:19,760
because of the games played. Number two might surprise you,

1076
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,840
Kyle Pitts twelve point four. He also had the most targets,

1077
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,599
the most catches, the most receiving yards, but didn't score

1078
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:29,880
a lot of touchdowns, but a lot of big plays.

1079
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,960
He had twelve twenty plus yard plays, which was second

1080
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,480
among all tight ends, or at least tied among all

1081
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:41,519
tight ends. Overall catches after Kyle Pitts went to Tyler Warren,

1082
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:44,360
who also was second in receiving yards seventy six catches

1083
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,559
eight to seventeen, had the least amount of receiving touchdowns,

1084
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:50,559
only had one rushing touchdown. Thought that could be a

1085
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:54,360
little bit higher, but Tyler Warren and Harold Fannon were

1086
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,960
bottom end points per game at around eleven, which is

1087
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,960
relatively mediocre in that so it's a weird here. You

1088
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:04,280
have some slight differences, though, so feel free to jump in.

1089
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,239
I will talk about projections here, but Tyler Warren is

1090
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,000
the most highly ranked with the lowest touchdown equity. Kyle

1091
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:13,960
Pitts seems very volatile. Tucker Craft seems like the wild

1092
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,320
card to me because he had the potential to be

1093
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,920
a top three or four overall tight end. I hate

1094
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,599
that I'm not getting a discount though I'd love to

1095
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:23,039
get more of a discount on him for this season

1096
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,719
because I love the touchdown equity. But that team also

1097
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,119
weirds me out with all the receiving options and stuff.

1098
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:30,679
So where are you at on this tight end group?

1099
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I still like Tucker Kraft the most out

1100
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,519
of you know, this group, really and he's expected to

1101
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:41,559
be back week one. We've heard all good reports from him. Obviously,

1102
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,360
the ACL tear was in the middle of the year,

1103
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,679
so not like Patrick Mahomes and at the end of

1104
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,239
the year some more than enough time to recover and

1105
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,480
make a big impact. And you know, like you said,

1106
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:56,239
do we have an absolute alpha in Green Bay? Is

1107
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,480
it Christian Watson? He's more of a deep threat to

1108
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:02,559
me and one that comes with constant injury concerned. So

1109
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,159
is Golden gonna take a jump? Is Jaydon Reied gonna

1110
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:09,199
stay healthy? You got the Night's extension right, So? And

1111
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,679
are we passing more? Because Jacobs Isscone. So I think

1112
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,639
there are enough questions for Tucker Kraft, But for me,

1113
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,760
I would have him pretty high up here. That fourteen

1114
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,599
point seven points per game is really sexy.

1115
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,039
Speaker 2: So do you think there should be a do you

1116
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:24,800
think there should be a gap between Like do you

1117
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,880
think Kraft and Warren are a tier better than guys

1118
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,000
like Fannin and Pitts and stuff, Or do you think

1119
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:33,079
it's deserved that, like this is the right tier of guys.

1120
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: No, I think all of these guys still could be

1121
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,519
playing for tight End three. Obviously I have Colson Lovelin

1122
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:42,199
in this group as well, But like I think, I

1123
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,159
think maybe Tyler Warren doesn't get enough hype. I feel

1124
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,199
like we're starting to get more Tyler Warren hype, but

1125
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,599
for the last month, to me, the hype in Indy

1126
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,679
has been around Josh Downs, which I just don't really understand.

1127
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,840
Tyler Warren is so much better with the ball in

1128
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,559
his hands and Josh Downs is I think Josh Downs

1129
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,679
gets all right, excuse me, I think Tyler Warning gets

1130
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,760
way more targets. You know.

1131
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,639
Speaker 2: It's funny about the Yeah, I kind of think like

1132
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,880
Alec Pierce gets to continue doing his role of stretching

1133
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,119
the field and well he's heart Yeah. Sure. But my

1134
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,000
point is is, and then Josh Downs can play that

1135
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,960
super low like screen passy role type of thing, but

1136
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:20,920
that that middle of the field Michael Pittman thing that

1137
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,159
is more for Tyler Warren, even more for him. He

1138
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,480
can obviously play screen passes and stuff, but that's more

1139
00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:27,679
opportunity for Warren to just be across the middle. So

1140
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,920
I kind of agree with you. I love the hundred

1141
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,360
plus target run. I actually kind of think Warren and

1142
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,760
Craft deserve to be a sub tier just because, like

1143
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:41,840
it is positive, especially with how Shador targeted Fannin and

1144
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:48,159
now you've got Djoku out. Oh you know, So I'm

1145
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:49,599
just saying, like, you know, he has a little bit

1146
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:52,840
more run there, so I could see, like, you know,

1147
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,800
there's a little bit more excited there. He did have

1148
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,079
over one hundred targets and stuff.

1149
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:59,119
Speaker 1: But the concern for Fannon isn't like it's day. It's

1150
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,079
it's a dense Boston and Casey concepcion. It's not you know,

1151
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,320
in Djoku being gone whatever, like he already led them.

1152
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,000
But those guys coming in, those are those are guys

1153
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,440
that are going to take targets. So that's the concern,

1154
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:13,719
more bigger consers.

1155
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: And that's why there might be a sub tier. That's

1156
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,880
why I'm kind of Gettingah, yeah, you are lower on

1157
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:21,039
Sam Laporta. You actually have Kyle Pitts a spot higher.

1158
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:24,000
But like if we were to follow the tiers, so

1159
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:27,159
Titan nine goes into tier three, that's where Sam Laporta

1160
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:29,280
would go to. You you have him a couple spots lowers.

1161
00:57:30,039 --> 00:57:33,079
What is the separator that Laporta doesn't belong in this grouping?

1162
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,079
Speaker 1: I just want to know that Laporta is going to

1163
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:37,039
be good to go for week one. He he was

1164
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,440
like he was red Jersey for OTAs. They said, he's

1165
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,519
trending in the right direction for training camp. You know,

1166
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,119
it's just been the back injury is pretty serious for anybody.

1167
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:51,639
So Mike, my concern with him is is he ready

1168
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:53,639
for camp? Is he ready for week one? They say

1169
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:56,320
he's trending in the right direction, So I'll reserve the

1170
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,599
right to bump him up and move him later, but

1171
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,119
drafting right now, I don't want to take Samblaporta. That's

1172
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:03,000
basically what it is.

1173
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: Uh. Fun fact, when we look at projections of all

1174
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,039
of these tight ends in this tier, your lowest projected

1175
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:16,360
is your top guy, Tucker Craft. Tucker craft Craft is god.

1176
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,840
What is it? Three, four, five, six, seven, eight night.

1177
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,920
He's the tenth projected tight end in half PPR points

1178
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,800
with fifty eight catches, seven hundred and fifty yards and

1179
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,360
six touchdowns. Number one is Tyler Warren probably not a

1180
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,679
shock eighty three catches eight seventy with five touchdowns, but

1181
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,960
Kyle Pitts is number two at almost eighty catches eight

1182
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:42,480
hundred just shy of nine hundred yards and five touchdowns.

1183
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,320
Harold Fannin comes in next above Laporta at seventy eight

1184
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,559
catches eight fifteen for five touchdowns. I guess we and

1185
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:53,079
I guess Kelsey's in the next tier, and then you

1186
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,079
know you got Tucker Craft is just kind of sitting

1187
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,000
down there. Look, any is there any unbelievableness to that?

1188
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,039
For you? It's goes Warren Pitts fan and Laporta and

1189
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:05,320
then Craft as the projections, with obviously Craft being low

1190
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,840
standing out and Pits being high standing out.

1191
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, Kraft is projected to be back for week one,

1192
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:16,039
so I'm I'm surprised that all of this is down

1193
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:19,760
for him. Obviously, he didn't go through the OTA program either,

1194
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,920
so I understand it's fair to call me a hypocrite

1195
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,000
about Sam Laporta versus Tucker Craft. But Tucker craft a

1196
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:31,719
knee injury is pretty well known and recoverable. Right. It

1197
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,679
doesn't happen everybody, and some guys take longer than others,

1198
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,079
So there is risk in Tucker Craft. But I think

1199
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:41,880
he's back and going for week one. I just the

1200
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,360
back injuries are trickier to me for Sam Laporta, so

1201
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:48,440
that I guess the low numbers for Craft do surprise

1202
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:50,840
me a little bit. I'm not surprised fan. It takes,

1203
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,159
you know, a haircut here, it makes it makes a

1204
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:57,199
lot of sense with the guys that they added next tier.

1205
00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:59,639
Speaker 2: This is tier three, This is nine through fifteen. So

1206
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:01,599
that's of our big stopping point. I'll ask you a

1207
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,519
question about a deeper guy, but this is the end

1208
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:08,519
of the first round and then the second tier one

1209
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:10,840
tight ends that you're starting, and then the second tier

1210
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,679
of tight ends. Travis Kelsey comes in at number nine,

1211
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:18,000
followed by Dalton Kincaid. George Kittle is the wild card,

1212
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:20,280
of course, he comes in at eleven. That is clearly

1213
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,679
built around the injury. He says he wants to be

1214
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,679
ready for week one. But you know if some buts

1215
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:28,360
Candy is a nuts ye. Jake Ferguson week is number twelve,

1216
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,679
Dallas Goddard at thirteen, Isaiah Likely at fourteen, Mark Andrews

1217
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:36,519
at fifteen. Here are some numbers. You're obviously it's gonna

1218
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:38,440
be skewed with Kittle here because he is the highest

1219
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,639
of the projected per game at fourteen point seven. He's

1220
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:43,960
like a top five tight end win healthy and out there.

1221
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:46,599
Maybe there's a haircut that needs to be taken if

1222
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:48,559
Mike Evans is out there when they all are healthy,

1223
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:52,840
but there's too many concerns there. Next up, it's quite

1224
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,079
a bit down. It's actually Dallas Goddard at twelve point

1225
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,000
three points per game from last year he played fifteen games.

1226
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:02,000
And then it goes to Travis Kelcey and Jake Ferguson

1227
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:05,400
of that group besides well Kittle it doesn't even count

1228
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,159
for this, but only two tight ends in this grouping

1229
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:10,119
had one hundred targets. It was Travis kelce who's number nine,

1230
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,159
and Jake Ferguson, who was twelve. Ferguson had the most

1231
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,599
catches eighty two of anybody. Kelsey had the most receiving

1232
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:20,079
yards at eight fifty one. Dallas Goddard blew everybody out

1233
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:22,519
in touchdowns. He's the only one with double digit with eleven.

1234
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,679
Ferguson had eight killed ad have seven in that short

1235
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:29,280
amount of games. Pretty low touchdown totals for the rest

1236
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,639
of that group. There's actually quite a few things to

1237
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,519
hit in here. Do you want to go two nuts

1238
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:39,039
on this? You have two wildly different ranks, so you're

1239
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:43,400
gonna have two wildly different feelings of guys. The fourteenth

1240
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,880
and fifteenth tight end are not startable fantasy tight end

1241
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,599
options according to this. In the twelve man league, you

1242
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,639
have both of them as top ten tight ends, and

1243
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,800
you are clearly team Isaiah Likely. Obviously this is gonna

1244
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,679
be a big discussion when we do our rank episodes.

1245
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:04,199
But I'm going to guess you don't love the ranks

1246
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:09,639
of those two guys, even though I think Goddard is

1247
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:13,199
supported for you on projections because he actually comes in

1248
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,039
as the ninth tight end and you have him at ten.

1249
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,559
But your Isaiah Likely, who you have at eight, is

1250
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,760
not in the top like fourteen or thirteen tight ends.

1251
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,599
So the projections for Likely are sixty catches seven to

1252
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:30,119
twelve with about five touchdowns. Goddard is sixty five catches.

1253
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: Andrews.

1254
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, it's I'm sorry, I'm saying Godard Andrews. Okay, Okay,

1255
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:37,840
I just want to make sure yeah, no, no, I

1256
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,199
screwed that up. Andrews is still closer kind of to

1257
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,199
your rank. I guess because he's projected as the eleventh

1258
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,679
tight end. He's fifty eight catches six oh seven with

1259
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,239
seven touchdowns, likely a sixty catches seven to twelve, five

1260
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,559
touchdowns former teammates. Them being away from each other obviously

1261
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:58,960
creates better production. And I think that's where you're getting it.

1262
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,199
By the way you do have You've got it lower

1263
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:03,440
than those guys. So that's yeah, I've got it at sixteen,

1264
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,639
Andrews at ten. But Andrews and Likely being separated from

1265
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:08,800
each other for you looks like you have put them

1266
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,440
as more of elite options. So this is clearly where

1267
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,880
ranks and you don't vibe. And I don't know if

1268
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,880
you hate those projections for those guys either.

1269
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know, projections are projections. So the

1270
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,599
thing with likely to me is that, Okay, you know

1271
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:26,880
we have Malik Neighbors coming off this knee injury and

1272
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,559
a new offense. Who is the second target for the Giants?

1273
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:36,719
Welsh tell me right now, it's Neighbors Jamskataboo. The second

1274
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,599
target on the team is number two. I'm not talking

1275
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:42,360
about like backing order. I just mean who will physically

1276
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,119
have the second most targets it's gotten likely to me, right,

1277
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:51,239
because it's Darius Slayton, it's Malachi Fields, It's it's this

1278
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:52,760
group of who.

1279
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,599
Speaker 2: Right, That's that's fair. Yeah, I mean I think you're

1280
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:01,960
I think what you're debating is fine. I think there

1281
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:06,039
might be a bigger thing to say it's nobody where

1282
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:10,360
you say it's a collection of Austin and slay And

1283
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,400
I guess you want to make the argument that there

1284
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:18,239
has to be a clear cut number two that separates themselves.

1285
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,199
I'll give you likely, but I think there's a hodgepodge

1286
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,400
of Mooney and Juju and Beckham back that it.

1287
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: Just ends up looking like it ends up looking like

1288
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,079
the Bills, you know what I mean, where it's just like, okay,

1289
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:34,199
everybody gets forty eight targets.

1290
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 2: Here we go, oh yeah, it is so gross around

1291
01:04:37,559 --> 01:04:39,880
there that like, I'll give you that, I think the

1292
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,960
top three fantasy option for this team is him, because

1293
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:45,800
then you go, Skataboo has you know, got to be

1294
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,159
number one? And neighbors is there?

1295
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: Likely?

1296
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: We know he can make big plays and he can

1297
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,760
do stuff in small screen passes that maybe he does,

1298
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,519
so I just don't know it's definitive, Like you were saying,

1299
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:57,639
but I think your logic makes total sense.

1300
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: Right, And uh, you know Mark an Andrew's problems, you know,

1301
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,280
have been a lot because Likely is there sharing targets

1302
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,760
with him, and now Likely is gone, Charlie Kohler's gone,

1303
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:10,599
you know so, and they're gonna get more vertical in

1304
01:05:10,679 --> 01:05:13,480
this offense this year as well. So I think Mark

1305
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:16,119
Andrews is going to fit in perfectly here and have

1306
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:20,039
a lot of touchdown opportunity, right because we know everybody

1307
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:21,880
wants to tell me Theay Flowers is never going to

1308
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,920
get end zone targets? Okay, who is then Jacobe Land

1309
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,199
and Mark Andrews right, And obviously Derek Henry scores a

1310
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:28,960
lot of touchdowns to Mark and get in there when

1311
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,639
he's healthy as well. But I see there's touchdown up

1312
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:35,239
upside for Mark Andrews. There's target upside from Mark Andrews

1313
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,920
with Likely gone and this offense being more vertical. And

1314
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,880
for Isaiah Likely he steps into an offense that leaves

1315
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,719
one hundred and forty targets with Wandale Robinson gone, A

1316
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,719
lot of those are gonna go to Malik Neighbors coming back,

1317
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,159
but he is coming off a major injury. The offense

1318
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:50,880
is different, and this is a group that worked with

1319
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,719
Isaiah Likely in Baltimore. So I'm very very excited for Likely,

1320
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,559
and I think he is being way too overlooked right now.

1321
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: Can Katie mentioned before projected fifty seven catches, seven hundred yards,

1322
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:08,119
five and a half touchdowns. He's projected just under Andrews.

1323
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,480
If I'm eyeballing this because they don't give me the

1324
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:14,000
NU miracle, it looks like roughly tight end twelve on

1325
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:16,719
this list, that's where you've got him. That's a little

1326
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:21,440
bit lower than where the ECR has him. Would you

1327
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:26,599
say if healthy Kinkaid might be the top? I mean,

1328
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:28,239
I guess if you got to not count Kittle in

1329
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:29,920
this one, and I guess I understand you have a

1330
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:33,679
likely there, Yeah or nay that Kinkaid's upside if healthy

1331
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,360
is tremendously high or do you think that's just enough?

1332
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:41,079
Speaker 1: Nay? Yeah? Every day I and I think when I

1333
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,119
do my adjustment, I'll probably finally move Kinkaid down. But

1334
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,400
it's just they You know, Joe Brady takes over, but

1335
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,400
he called the offense last year, so I don't think

1336
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,079
the tight end usage is going to change significantly. Jackson

1337
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,239
Hawes is in there to block a lot, so it

1338
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,440
is Dawson Knox, and Dawson Knox can catch a little

1339
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,119
bit as well, So you know Dunt Kincaid saw over

1340
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:05,000
fifty percent of snaps I think three times last season.

1341
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,480
I just don't know the upside would be from touchdowns

1342
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:10,199
and he's he'd have to score a lot of them,

1343
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,840
like Dallas Goddard did last year. But Dallas Goddard before

1344
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,480
last season is season high in touchdowns was five, So

1345
01:07:16,679 --> 01:07:19,519
I don't think that's very repeatable to have eleven touchdowns

1346
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:22,440
again for Goddard either, especially with Sours there, even with

1347
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:26,159
Brown gone and the targets being spread out more. So,

1348
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,280
I just don't see a ton of upside for Kincaid,

1349
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,159
And I like that you pointed him out because I

1350
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:33,239
do need to move him down.

1351
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,559
Speaker 2: Is Goddard simply by the way, you're kind of hate

1352
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,159
of him because you don't even have him top fifteen?

1353
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,840
Is it touchdown regression? Do you think his touchdowns propped

1354
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,719
him up? And you don't think that's repeatable? Not at all?

1355
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,199
Speaker 1: Eleven touchdowns is crazy, Like Jake Ferguson having eight I

1356
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,719
thought was kind of high as well with but Ceedee Lamb,

1357
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:55,239
you know, high ankle sprain week two and then the

1358
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,360
rest of the season kind of played Gimpi and George

1359
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,639
Pickens would went nuts. With Lamb and Pickens coming in healthy,

1360
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,320
what is left for Jake Ferguson is my question? So,

1361
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,480
uh yeah, I'm down on those guys overall because I

1362
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:08,199
think they were boosted by touchdown.

1363
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 2: Production outside the top fifteen. Any tight ends that you dig,

1364
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,920
anybody that you're into, and I see you have Gadson

1365
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,519
a tiny bit higher, that's actually a pretty common fate.

1366
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:17,399
I think for a lot of people I know a

1367
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,039
conquo as well. Are those one of the guys that

1368
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:20,880
you would target? Who's someone that you dig outside the

1369
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:21,439
top fifteen?

1370
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a con quo. I do think that it

1371
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:28,640
gets a little murky moving down. I don't Schultz could

1372
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,039
come back up. Maybe TJ. Howkinson moves back up. Gunner

1373
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:35,520
Helm gets his own run this year.

1374
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 2: How about this? Can you guess the tight end that

1375
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,920
is not in the top fifteen ECR that has the

1376
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:45,119
highest projections, It's.

1377
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: Got to be a conquo Because a lot like Isaiah

1378
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:49,600
likely and a lot of people are saying this about

1379
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,640
a conquo who is the number two target in Washington

1380
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:53,880
right now? Is it not a conquo?

1381
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,279
Speaker 2: It is not even remotely whoa okay, con quo, not even.

1382
01:08:58,119 --> 01:08:59,199
Speaker 1: In a con quo.

1383
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 2: Here's some guy's projected from more points than a con quo.

1384
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:05,359
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, can I let me keep guessing

1385
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:06,199
this other person? Then?

1386
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: Uh?

1387
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:09,399
Speaker 1: Is it Jawan Johnson?

1388
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,359
Speaker 2: Very close? Actually, when I asked the question, I thought

1389
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:15,720
it was Juwan Johnson, and then I realized there's one

1390
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,319
guy ahead of him. Juwan Johnson is projected very high,

1391
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:20,600
but he is one spot below this guy.

1392
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: Okay, who is this guy? Just tell me?

1393
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,319
Speaker 2: Hunter? Henry Hunter, Henry fifty six sketches, six point fifty

1394
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:32,399
five and a half touchdowns, is projected within two points

1395
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,640
of your boy, Isaiah. Likely he's the highest, followed by

1396
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,560
Juwan Johnson. The Coco was so far down. Kate Aughton,

1397
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:43,520
Kenya Sidik is projecting a j bardon those guys PROJECTI

1398
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:45,520
more than a conquo.

1399
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:47,359
Speaker 1: Wow, like I.

1400
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: And by the way, Gadsden projected lower than all of

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those guys, including.

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Speaker 1: The Dadson is lower than a conkquo. Yeah, wow, I

1403
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,920
don't know. I mean, I think people are realizing that Gadsden,

1404
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,319
and I think it's like thirty six percent of his

1405
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,399
fantasy points came in two games last year, so he

1406
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,239
does need to go down. But I still think there's

1407
01:10:07,319 --> 01:10:09,159
upside for Gas and there's just a lot of mouths

1408
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,439
to feed there. I'm kind of surprised a Conko is

1409
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,560
that like below kated outen. It is kind of silly

1410
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,880
to me, Like I do think Washington ads. I think

1411
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,359
Stefan Diggs is still out there. Obviously Brandon Ayuk wants

1412
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,600
to be with the Commanders, so I do think they

1413
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,560
add a target before the season starts. But a conk

1414
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,399
will being that low might be number two on the

1415
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,640
team right now, behind Terry McLaurin.

1416
01:10:31,079 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 2: All right, shot white, But you know, how about two

1417
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:37,239
tight end targets any range, two guys that you think

1418
01:10:37,279 --> 01:10:39,039
are going to be on the majority of teams.

1419
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one of the top two guys, So

1420
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:44,319
Bowers and uh McBride for one of my picks because

1421
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:48,840
I want to go high and if not, probably gonna

1422
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,239
be Tyler Warren. Then you know, I think Tyler Warren

1423
01:10:51,359 --> 01:10:52,800
is going to fall to a point where I just

1424
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,960
can't pass him. If I didn't get that early tight end.

1425
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Speaker 2: I just want to point out you decided you picked

1426
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two top four tight ends, two top five, and so that's.

1427
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I see, I see a lot of the

1428
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,520
secondary group is the same, right, like a lot of

1429
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,239
obviously like Isaiah likely. So but I know Isaiah likely

1430
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,439
is free. I can get him in every draft, I think.

1431
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, if you were in

1432
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like a tight end premium league, is it okay you

1433
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,760
get one of those top guys. You're getting one of

1434
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,800
those and you're and you're not even gonna f around. Sure,

1435
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,840
but now you have a util you know, a flex

1436
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,239
spot that you could my baseball coming out utail, a

1437
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:34,600
flex spot that you could utilize tight end premium. Are

1438
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,079
you to who who's the guy that you're targeting. If

1439
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:39,800
you're targeting another guy in the tight end, it's likely

1440
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,840
over like you know, Harold Fannin or something. I mean,

1441
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,239
I guess those guys are all going to be pushing.

1442
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:45,560
It's likely because you're those.

1443
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: Guys are going to go too high for me to

1444
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,479
reinvest after having one tight end, even in a tight

1445
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,600
end premium for the most part. And I he's higher

1446
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,199
in the tight end premium, but he's still cheap overall,

1447
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,479
So it's Isaiah likely for me pretty much.

1448
01:11:57,399 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 2: Everywhere fascinating stuff, whether it's taking a look at the

1449
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ECR or the projections. You can go to Fantasy Pros

1450
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if you want to check out Finnish Pros dot com,

1451
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,319
slash projections if you want to look at those which

1452
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:09,840
I was citing three different sources, Fnish Pros dot com,

1453
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,920
Slash NFL slash rankings, if you want to check out

1454
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,640
the ECR, but maybe more importantly, if you want to

1455
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,560
see what Bogman's got going on, go to in this

1456
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,000
League dot Com. You can check out his ranks. Now

1457
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:20,720
new coats coming up that is going to lead into

1458
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,920
within the next month or so where you or Bogmin

1459
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,560
and I are going to be doing our rank positional

1460
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,279
rank episodes. This was just to get you set what

1461
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:29,600
the market looks like. We'll obviously probably talk about how

1462
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,760
the market has changed when we get to that. Because

1463
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:34,479
I told you there's like fifty plus rankers, there's another

1464
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,079
two hundred probably say happen.

1465
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: I think it's up to seventy seven now, yeah, I.

1466
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,520
Speaker 2: Mean so by the time we do the ranks episode,

1467
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,560
it'll probably be around one hundred and fifty plus. The

1468
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,640
ranks contest usually gets around two hundred to fifty something

1469
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,760
like that, and then in season it gets nuts. So

1470
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:51,800
there's gonna be some changes. You know, they might not

1471
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,199
be dramatic or anything like that, but you might see swaps.

1472
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:57,560
You might see McBride jump over Bauers, whatever it looks like. Uh,

1473
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,880
you can check out Bogman's ranks in this league. Mine

1474
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,319
will be up there. But he's got Dynasty, he's got Superflex,

1475
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:05,760
he's got redraft IDP all that stuff. Go and check

1476
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,600
it out. You are supporting us when you do so,

1477
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,119
and damn it, we love you when you do that.

1478
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,479
Thank you for the support for the upcoming season, because

1479
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,479
we got a bunch of episodes coming up, We got

1480
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,439
mock drafts that are ready to happen. Itl Army is

1481
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,039
where you can also be a part of those. You

1482
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:21,479
can join us in the live mock drafts and a

1483
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:25,119
ton more, whether it's breakouts, sleepers prepping you up for it,

1484
01:13:25,279 --> 01:13:28,399
plus ranks. It's all going down as a football season

1485
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,119
is ready to kick into action, So make sure you're

1486
01:13:31,119 --> 01:13:32,960
subscribing to your part of it. I'll find us on Twitter.

1487
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:34,600
Is it the Welsh bog wins sports. Those are on

1488
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:36,880
the socials. That is going to do it for this episode.

1489
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,159
Thank you so much for hanging out with us, and

1490
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:40,560
we'll talk to you next time right here on ITL

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