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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from blooming West, Michigan. Here at Studio A proven

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<v Speaker 1>winners Color Choice Shrubs, It's time for the Gardening Simplified

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube radio and podcast show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick

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<v Speaker 1>weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. All right, Stacy,

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<v Speaker 1>you're on a deserted island. What kind of plants would

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<v Speaker 1>you want on that island with you, especially if you're

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<v Speaker 1>limited to let's say five plants. And I thought about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, why is this topic important? And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the topic's important because there are a number of

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<v Speaker 1>plants that we take for granted every day. I first

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<v Speaker 1>think about trees and the shade that they provide, and

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<v Speaker 1>many times we don't pay attention to those beautiful trees

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<v Speaker 1>and the landscape until a storm comes along and branches

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<v Speaker 1>or trees are down. Or you know, I love ornamental grasses,

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<v Speaker 1>and you look at panicum or switch grass and its

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<v Speaker 1>ability to provide biofuels and bedding for animals, maybe feed,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be, in addition to being a beautiful plant.

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<v Speaker 1>Many times we take certain plants for granted. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure we wouldn't take them for granted if we were

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<v Speaker 1>on a deserted island.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you'd be grateful for everything that you could get.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is what this is about. So we're not

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<v Speaker 2>saying these are like our you know, must have plants

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<v Speaker 2>that we love the most out of the world. These

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<v Speaker 2>are our survival plants. On this theoretical island where climate

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<v Speaker 2>is no issue, we can grow whatever we want. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're talking just about like what plants can equip

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<v Speaker 2>us with our everyday needs of survival.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And when you said dessert, I thought it was dessert,

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<v Speaker 1>not desert or disha.

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<v Speaker 2>I always say I feel like desert island, but I

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<v Speaker 2>could be wrong. I don't know. Yeah, is what we

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<v Speaker 2>don't mean. It's literally a desert because obviously we're saying

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<v Speaker 2>you can grow plants there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I was thinking along the lines of Crembu lat

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<v Speaker 1>and Lemon Moraine.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a dessert eye favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's true. There are deserted islands, deserted so

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<v Speaker 1>to speak, across the world, including those that aren't necessarily tropical.

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<v Speaker 1>You look at Devon Island in the far north of Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>They use that island to practice and test for future

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<v Speaker 1>Mars landings. Oh I did not know that verse and

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. Yeah, so if it was a

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<v Speaker 1>tropical island, I think you and I are going to

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<v Speaker 1>probably both agree that I want bamboo there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you gotta have a bamboo because you

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<v Speaker 2>want to build structure. Now you talked about shade. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>in theory this island, you're going to need some shade,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're also going to need shelter because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows what's going to happen, You're gonna need you

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<v Speaker 2>have wind or animals or who knows what. In Bamboo

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<v Speaker 2>is a great plant for providing construction materials extremely quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm going to go one further with

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<v Speaker 2>the bamboo, and I am going to pick the specific

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<v Speaker 2>species Philostackies edgeless, because this is the most edible bamboo

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So you got a two for one here.

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<v Speaker 2>Because all of our plants they're gonna have to do

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<v Speaker 2>at least double duty. Well, they can't compete with us

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<v Speaker 2>for the bamboo. That's going to be a problem, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean, you know, then you've got the

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<v Speaker 2>bamboo shoots to eat, and you've got the bamboo stems,

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<v Speaker 2>which actually grow very fast. I think bamboo is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the fastest growing plants on Earth. Uh, so you'll

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<v Speaker 2>be able to build yourself that shelter relatively quickly and

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<v Speaker 2>then start to you know, have some protection.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh by weight, one of the strongest materials in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're right, we need that for shelter. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure to have a coconut tree. Heck yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that you know, they knew what they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing on Gilligan's Island. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they had that coconut, the coconut trees there

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<v Speaker 1>on Gilligan's Island. The professor could even make a radio

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<v Speaker 1>out of a coconut, but they couldn't get off the island.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think coconut's important because I could use it

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<v Speaker 1>for building materials. The leaves pretty much most of the

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the plant are edible, very fibrous. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course the coconuts. This past year, when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>Costa Rica and sipping from a fresh coconut, you know

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<v Speaker 1>where you grilled a hole in and pop the Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>The only plant with liquid endosperm, So the coconut liquid.

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<v Speaker 2>The liquid inside the coconut is the endosperm, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the tissue that nurtures the seedling when it germinates. So

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<v Speaker 2>like when you think about a bean seedling, those two

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<v Speaker 2>you know, big bean halves that come out. That is endosperm,

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<v Speaker 2>That is the food that fuels the shoot to germinate.

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<v Speaker 2>So coconut is the only plant with a liquid endosperm.

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<v Speaker 1>Fascinating and you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Drink it and it's extremely nutritious. And you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>theory here on our island, we may not have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fresh water, and coconut water is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the next closest thing that you can do to

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<v Speaker 2>sustain yourself. Coconuts are extremely productive, they're pretty much ever bearing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, as you said, coconut palm foliage is

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<v Speaker 2>extremely useful. You can weave yourself a hat, so while

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<v Speaker 2>you're out there cultivating your you know, desert island garden,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not getting all sunburned. You can weave yourself some clothes, bedding. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's in yes, and you got the fiber

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<v Speaker 2>off the coconut. So it's another, you know, multiple duty

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<v Speaker 2>kind of plant. And coconuts are so ubiquitous that they

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually know where they originated because they are so

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<v Speaker 2>good at getting around and maintaining the integrity of their seed.

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<v Speaker 2>And so they've basically spread to the entire tropical world

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond and and sinus can't quite pinpoint exactly where

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<v Speaker 2>they originated.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's fascinating. Interesting. Well I'm going to add to

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<v Speaker 1>that then, bananas, because bananas.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, you don't like bananas, I'll eat them.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I put them in my fruit smoothies in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. I just don't like to sit there and

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<v Speaker 1>eat a banana.

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<v Speaker 2>I got you.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I'm on a deserted island, I mean when

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<v Speaker 1>in Rome, do as the Romans do, and I'll eat

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even the flowers are edible. And you were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the fibers, you know, with bananas, maybe I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be able to start up a craft project. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time on my hands on this dessert.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you can also use banana leaves for cooking,

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<v Speaker 2>so they can be a plate potensil. But I am

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<v Speaker 2>actually going to diverge from you here. My number three

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<v Speaker 2>plant is a little bit specific. It is coffee cups

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<v Speaker 2>coal a Casia so col acasia alocasia. These are plants

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<v Speaker 2>known as elephant ears, and coffee cups is very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>variety where the foliage grows facing upward, forming a little

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<v Speaker 2>quite a large cup like formation, so very different than

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<v Speaker 2>your standard plant where it's just going to be that

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<v Speaker 2>straight leaf. But now you have a vessel to collect

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<v Speaker 2>some rain water. And the colocasia itself, the root is

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<v Speaker 2>edible and widely consumed again in tropical countries known as malaga.

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<v Speaker 2>Different things, different names in different cultures, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>highly nutritious and highly edible. So I got a water

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<v Speaker 2>catchment system and an edible route.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that now, and I agree with you that

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to be a great choice. I believe it's

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<v Speaker 1>called tarro, and is that what it's called.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it has different names in different countries and cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, and here's an interesting thing that I'll throw

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<v Speaker 1>at you, and that is my beloved Cannas are a

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<v Speaker 1>potential candidate for our deserted island because you can eat

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<v Speaker 1>the rhizomes of a can and they taste very similar

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<v Speaker 1>to the colocacia that you're talking, same difference. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I could probably form the can of leaves to collect

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<v Speaker 1>rain water too. But you're right, we're gonna need a

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<v Speaker 1>method to collect rain.

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<v Speaker 2>Water and This is a cool plant that you can

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<v Speaker 2>actually grow. So the other ones, you know, we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about not really plants that most of our listeners could

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<v Speaker 2>just PLoP into the garden and grow. But this coffee

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<v Speaker 2>cup's colocasia is a very popular plant right now and

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<v Speaker 2>easy to find as you're doing your garden center shopping

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<v Speaker 2>in the north.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we can grow bananas. We'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>in segment. For Musa bajou is a winter hardy banana,

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about that. So my final plant, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Stacey is going to be having an orange tree.

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<v Speaker 1>I want oranges. Captain Captain Cook when he sailed the seas,

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<v Speaker 1>he understood that scurvy and lack of vitamin C is

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<v Speaker 1>what would kill his sailors on a long journey. So

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<v Speaker 1>on some oranges.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I put citrus as a generic sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't really decide. I thought long and hard about

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<v Speaker 2>which citrus would be the best citrus. I'm leaning towards lime,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm open to any of them. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the other great thing about the citrus is true, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to give you some shade, so you know, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>have some shade to sit under on your island under

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<v Speaker 2>your tree, and you know you're going to be kind

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<v Speaker 2>of probably stressed and maybe a little bit sad, but

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<v Speaker 2>you'll have the beautiful fragrance of the citrus tree to hopefully,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully give you a little bit of hope.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this. I love this, and all of these

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<v Speaker 1>plants far more useful than Wilson the volleyball that Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Hanks was stuck with.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think Tom Hanks had a choice. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he and I don't think we'll get a choice.

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<v Speaker 2>But just in case we do, I did add one

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<v Speaker 2>more garlic. Now, I garlic. You know I'm feeling like.

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<v Speaker 1>For my cholesterol level.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm your cholesterol levels are probably going to be

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<v Speaker 2>matter a lot less on this silent. I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know it's you're gonna want to switch up

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<v Speaker 2>the flavorings. Garlic is pretty easy and fast. You can

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<v Speaker 2>eat the flowers as well as the I mean, don't

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<v Speaker 2>take up a lot of rooms. So that's my frivolous choice,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. But you're gonna probably need to do something

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<v Speaker 2>to switch up your dietary. You know, regime here, it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get a litt dull believe me.

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<v Speaker 1>In segment four, I'll add a few frivolous Also, here's

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<v Speaker 1>my limerick for today. It's tough on an island deserted.

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<v Speaker 1>Not my choice to be here inserted. Just me and

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<v Speaker 1>my plants only here. It can get quite lonely. Bear

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<v Speaker 1>in mind I'm extroverted. I'll occasionally go off on some rants.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't keep to myself. Some stance. Just me and my

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<v Speaker 1>very own plot. There's no human within earshot. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>do you talk to your plants? I want to find

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<v Speaker 1>out from Stacy if she talks to her plants. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>admit that I do plants on try. Coming up next

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<v Speaker 2>talking about plants that we would want if we were

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<v Speaker 2>to be stranded on a hypothetical island somewhere. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>as horticulturists and gardeners, it would be easy for us

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<v Speaker 2>beauty of you know, summarific hibiscus. But you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>plants that are going to give you a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though these plants, for the most part, are not

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<v Speaker 2>plants that we're going to be growing here in our

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<v Speaker 2>gardens in Michigan. Although I would love to live in

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<v Speaker 2>That would be pretty great. That would be pretty pretty great.

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<v Speaker 2>none of them, I regret to inform you quite rises

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<v Speaker 2>to survival level requirements. They are mostly ornamental plants, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>they're certainly animals. Survival may depend on some of these plants,

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<v Speaker 2>some edible plants. We have splendid blue blueberry, we have

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<v Speaker 2>be on the market next year. All those small plants

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<v Speaker 2>will be available mail order this year. A new bush cherry.

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<v Speaker 2>They're quite tart, but it's much easier to grow than

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<v Speaker 2>perpetual production. So it was a hard one for me

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<v Speaker 2>today to keep with the theme. But I did come

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<v Speaker 2>up with an idea and it is a flavorette paired rose. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the soul than food for the body. But it does

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<v Speaker 2>at least work with this idea of it doing double duty,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's important too. So Flavorette paired is

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<v Speaker 2>actually new in garden centers this year. It is an

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<v Speaker 2>edible rose and it starts out kind of pink, and

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<v Speaker 2>the flowers open white, and they're really full. They have

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<v Speaker 2>the flavor and fragrance is reminiscent of ripe pears. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a plant. It's a second plant in the

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<v Speaker 2>Flavorette series. This is a series of edible roses that

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<v Speaker 2>came to us from Serbia and from a great rose

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<v Speaker 2>breeding program there. You know, in the US, most people

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<v Speaker 2>don't really think of roses as food. I mean, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>some people will have like a bottle of rose water

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<v Speaker 2>if they do a lot of baking, or something. But

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part, North American people not big rose eaters,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas we're in Europe and in other cultures, roses are

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to change now, I tell you what. These

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<v Speaker 1>are fabulous plants. And we just got them in at

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<v Speaker 1>the greenhouse where I'm helping out in spring, and I

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<v Speaker 1>also posted about them in social media, posted beautiful plants,

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<v Speaker 1>posted a picture of myself with these plants, Stacy. People

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<v Speaker 1>are excited about this and really hadn't thought through this

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<v Speaker 1>concept until Flavorette comes along, and it's like, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's all in and they're beautiful, and that's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what's really important is they aren't just edible, they are beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>and so you know, technically speaking, all roses are edible.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking the petals, the flowers, the fruit after

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<v Speaker 2>the flowers fade, the rose hips when they're right. But

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<v Speaker 2>these roses, Flavorette pair today's plant on trial and then

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<v Speaker 2>its companion plant, Flavorette honey apricots were selected specifically for

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<v Speaker 2>being edible, and that's not just a question so of

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<v Speaker 2>their flavors and the intensity and uniqueness of their flavors.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also a textural issue, so some roses are going

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<v Speaker 2>to have really thick petals, some might have some bitterness

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<v Speaker 2>to them. Whereas the flavorrette were in addition to the

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<v Speaker 2>flavors selected for this high quality edibility. They're really soft

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of lush to taste. I have taste of

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<v Speaker 2>them now, I think they are really nice. I do

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy eating them. We do recommend if you're really looking

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<v Speaker 2>for the maximum sweetness, you'd want to kind of avoid

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<v Speaker 2>the very base of the pedal where it's kind of white.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a little bit of bitterness there, but not enough

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<v Speaker 2>to really impact it, kind of like treat it like

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<v Speaker 2>an artichoke, keep that and then bite it off. But

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<v Speaker 2>with an edible rose? Well, the thing is with flavorette paired,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't actually have to do anything. It can just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of be in your garden and you're like, oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this is edible, because even if you never harvest it,

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<v Speaker 2>it is still a beautiful, landscape worthy rose. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bring a lot of interest to your garden. But

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<v Speaker 2>the petals are can be used fresh or dried and fresh.

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<v Speaker 2>They are really lovely and tasty enough to just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sprinkle over a salad or garnish a dessert plate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very popular to layer them with sugar and put

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<v Speaker 2>them into a sealed container and for a couple of days,

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<v Speaker 2>and then that infuses the sugar with the fragrance of

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<v Speaker 2>the rose and you can use that in things like

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<v Speaker 2>teas and that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, I'd put them on ice cream.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you could definitely do that, or maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>My porridge, my oat brand that I eat in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Give that little summary, you know, kind of vibe. I

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<v Speaker 2>like that. So you're gonna get one? Are you gonna

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<v Speaker 2>add one to.

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<v Speaker 1>The solt It's going in the compound.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. I'm glad to hear that. So uh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So really, there's so many different things that you can

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful cookbook where they worked with chefs from all over

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<v Speaker 2>Europe to develop some unique recipes. So if you need

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<v Speaker 2>some inspiration, it's definitely a great choice. Now we have

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<v Speaker 2>also evaluated these for disease resistance and we are looking

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<v Speaker 2>for plants. You know that we're always looking in the

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<v Speaker 2>proven winner's color choice line for plants that do more

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<v Speaker 2>than just one thing. You know, we don't want it

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<v Speaker 2>to just be like, hey, this is an edible rose

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really cool and it's beautiful, but it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be, you know, plagued by disease and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>because it's struggling so much. So we are testing for

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<v Speaker 2>disease resistance, and both flavor At Honey Apricot and Flavorite

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<v Speaker 2>PAIRT have shown good disease resistance. But as with any rose,

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<v Speaker 2>for best disease resistance, you're going to want to do

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things. You're going to want to plant

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<v Speaker 2>it in full sun, so that's a minimum of six

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<v Speaker 2>hours of bright light every single day, and you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to want to give it good air circulation. This is

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<v Speaker 2>so important because all of those fungal leaf spot diseases

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<v Speaker 2>that pop up on roses and other plants, they thrive

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<v Speaker 2>where there's a low air flow. So you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>plant isn't drying off quickly. It's just kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a stagnant spot with good airflow. Air can get to

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<v Speaker 2>the plant, the leaves will dry off quickly, which will

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<v Speaker 2>help reduce the incidents of any kind of folly or

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<v Speaker 2>disease occurring. So flavor ite pair gets to be about

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<v Speaker 2>three to four feet tall and three feet wide, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to want to make sure that from the

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<v Speaker 2>center of the plant it has at least three feet

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<v Speaker 2>kind of on all sides to make sure it has

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<v Speaker 2>that good air circulation so that it's getting maximum light,

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<v Speaker 2>maximum disease resistance, and of course maximum flowers because you

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely great point, and I think I would add to that, Stacey,

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<v Speaker 1>I would probably prune off some of the bottom branches too,

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<v Speaker 1>not allow some of those branches to touch the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're so right that that air movement thing, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when we get into the hot, humid days of summer,

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<v Speaker 1>is so important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And speaking of hot and humid days, this is

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<v Speaker 2>also a continuous blooming row. So it will bloom all

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<v Speaker 2>summer unless it gets very very hot and you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a hot climate, it might need to take a little

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<v Speaker 2>break just to deal with all of that heat stress.

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<v Speaker 2>But here in Michigan they do bloom pretty much all

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<v Speaker 2>summer for us without a problem. You may be wondering

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<v Speaker 2>where you can grow it, and it is hardy down

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<v Speaker 2>to USDA Zone four, heat tolerant through USDA Zone eight,

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<v Speaker 2>so a little less heat tolerant than a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other roses, which I think just comes from it coming

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<v Speaker 2>from a breeding program in a fairly temperate, you know

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<v Speaker 2>country where it was developed more for its edibility than

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know thoroughly, it's it's landscape resistance. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>companion plant. Flavor Ae honey apricot gets to be five

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<v Speaker 2>to eight feet tall, so this is a much smaller plant.

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<v Speaker 2>Very good if you have small spaces. I think this

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<v Speaker 2>would be an amazing addition to an herb garden. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could put it in mine, but I

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<v Speaker 2>can't because I have deer, and of course roses, despite

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<v Speaker 2>their thorns, are not the least bit deer resistance. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna have to dream about having flavorette paired

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<v Speaker 2>row in my herb garden instead of actually being able

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let you know how it goes. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm putting one in the compound.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you putting in paired or Honey Apricot are thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about both, Okay, yeah, so in my vegetable garden. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it makes a great companion to the vegetable garden.

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<v Speaker 2>And flavor at Honey Apricot is a beautiful kind of

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<v Speaker 2>orangey apricotti color and paired, like I said, is pink

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<v Speaker 2>and aging to white. And you know you can combine

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<v Speaker 2>them together in your in your dishes and everything. So

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to your Martha Stewart styled photoshoot once

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<v Speaker 2>your flavor ate roses are producing and you and you

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<v Speaker 2>have a very deluxe porge.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, you asked for it. Get ready, Adriana, bring

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Stay tuned, and if you are looking to

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<v Speaker 2>add a flavor ate rose to your garden, make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you look for it at your local garden center. This season,

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Gardening Simplified Show where it is one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite times in the show where we get

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<v Speaker 2>to help people with their gardening questions, quandaries and conundrums.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know we are in the thick of gardening

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<v Speaker 2>season right now, and you may have some questions, quandaries

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<v Speaker 2>and conundrums of your own, and maybe you also have comments.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously here in the show we only have a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of time to answer your gardening questions, but

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<v Speaker 2>So if you don't have a question about shrubs specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>a robot, from a real person who actually wants to

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<v Speaker 2>help you. So apologies if we do not get to

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<v Speaker 2>your question. But you know we do hear from a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of listeners with comments or celebrations. You know, some

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<v Speaker 2>people may not have gardening pals to share their accomplishments with,

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<v Speaker 2>but a listener Dale actually reached out with an interesting article.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says that we gave our listener who had

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<v Speaker 2>aphids on her Cinderella milkweed the worst possible advice, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, whoa, my ears are pricking up here. And

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<v Speaker 2>he goes on to share an article that was published

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<v Speaker 2>in the journal Insects that so it's a peer reviewed article.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't just some you know, wacky thing he found

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<v Speaker 2>on Pinterest that he's trying to claim is true. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a real scientific article that milkweed plants that support

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<v Speaker 2>quote diverse arthropod community. So multiple species of insects depending

447
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<v Speaker 2>on them are actually better for monarchs, and specifically the

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<v Speaker 2>first generation each year of the monarchs, the spring monarchs. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>so basically, what the study goes on to say is

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<v Speaker 2>that in milk weed plants that have aphids, and milkweed

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<v Speaker 2>bugs and milkweed testic monsters, a number of different insects

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<v Speaker 2>that do also rely on milkweed aside from the monarch,

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<v Speaker 2>are actually sought out more by monarch adults to lay

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<v Speaker 2>their eggs on, as they're seeing perhaps is more resilient.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not exactly sure why. Now, I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>add a caveat here. This study was limited just to Texas, Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 2>and Louisiana, and that is significant because those states, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>are so close to the lands or the monarchs migrate,

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<v Speaker 2>so their behavior there could be a little bit different

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<v Speaker 2>than we're going to see up here in Michigan. But

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<v Speaker 2>he did go on to say, also so that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that we recommended was an insecticidal soap.

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<v Speaker 2>And the truth is that by the time the monarchs

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<v Speaker 2>are or the milkweed is up enough to actually have

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<v Speaker 2>aphids on it, it's completely possible that there are actually

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<v Speaker 2>monarch eggs and or little teeny tiny caterpillars that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have a really good eye to see. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course the soap would kill those as well

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<v Speaker 2>as killing the aphids, So you know my overall thought

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<v Speaker 2>on aphids and I we talked a lot about aphids recently,

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<v Speaker 2>because aphids are so prominent in the spring. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>everything's soft and succulent growth, and that is their favorite thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say for my part, I have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of tolerance for aphids. I usually don't do anything about them,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I get it people get freaked out. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say later in the season on milkweed, I

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<v Speaker 2>have had aphids that are so bad that what happens is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they take over and their excrement starts to

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<v Speaker 2>grow mold, and then that mold becomes really active to

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<v Speaker 2>flies and wasps, and there are a number of wasp

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<v Speaker 2>predators of milk of monarch caterpillars, And of course by

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<v Speaker 2>that time, no sane monarch would lay her eggs on

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<v Speaker 2>this mold covered horrible milk weed plant. But I will

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<v Speaker 2>say later in the season, when I do have milkweeds

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<v Speaker 2>that are looking like that, I very often do cut

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<v Speaker 2>them back. But at that point, you know, of course

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking them over, but I would still probably just

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<v Speaker 2>cut them back rather than actually try to control the aphids.

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<v Speaker 2>So we will put the link to the study that

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<v Speaker 2>Dale sent in the show notes as well as in

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<v Speaker 2>the YouTube comma or the YouTube caption there. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a full length article, so maybe a little bit much

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<v Speaker 2>for the average listener, but it's quite interesting and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was very interesting that it was something that

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<v Speaker 2>they were studying, so I wanted to share that with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. That's a fantastic thank you, Dale, and

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<v Speaker 1>great food for thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, for sure. So we have a question from Linda.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Stacey and Rick. I'm addicted to your show. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned so much from watching all of your episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep watching them over and over. My son in

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<v Speaker 1>law has a market with a greenhouse, and for the

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<v Speaker 1>past three days, at the age of seventy four, I

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<v Speaker 1>have done nothing from morning till night but help them

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<v Speaker 1>repot plants to get ready for spring sales. Way to go, Linda,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fantastic. You both have mentioned that you have a

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<v Speaker 1>deer problem in your yard. My daughter and I both

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<v Speaker 1>have the same issue, and my son in law's market

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<v Speaker 1>gets attacked from time to time. You mentioned that you

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<v Speaker 1>spray for deer to deter them, but you never mention

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<v Speaker 1>an actual product. Might I ask what you use and

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<v Speaker 1>how well it works for you. How often do you spray,

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<v Speaker 1>how much do you dowse the plants with? And does

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<v Speaker 1>it have a negative effect on the blooms? Love Love

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<v Speaker 1>love your show so nice?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what do you use?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, lots of deer where I'm at. Of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I built a compound online and I ordered signs that

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<v Speaker 1>said no deer alloud and deer can read. So that

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<v Speaker 1>has helped. Also, if you don't have a compound, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>there are many wonderful deer resistant plants in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, yes, Linda's trying to, especially in the market,

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<v Speaker 1>have plants out there that deer can affect. So throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the years, I've used liquid fence. Okay, however, over the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple years I have used if we're asking for

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<v Speaker 1>a specific product, I've used BOBBYX.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it smell, yes, but it works. And I also

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<v Speaker 1>like to do some feeding with malorganite. The deer do

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<v Speaker 1>not like the malorganite. Also, even though the product is

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<v Speaker 1>not labeled as a deer control, I know a number

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<v Speaker 1>of people who use malorganite also to deter them. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think a combination of deer resistant plants, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>incorporating aliums, ornamental grasses, nepettas, lavender, that sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>will cause them to turn their nose up. But Bobex

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<v Speaker 1>is the product that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, all right, So I have definitely mostly just planted

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<v Speaker 2>things that the deer won't eat. You know, I decided,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the heartbreak of finding out that I had deer

540
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<v Speaker 2>when I moved into my house, not thinking that I would,

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<v Speaker 2>I found that I just don't have it in me

542
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<v Speaker 2>to spray all the time, you know, the trait. It

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<v Speaker 2>would just be disheartening to me. So I was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know what, I'm just going to give

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<v Speaker 2>up the plants that I wanted and can't have and

546
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<v Speaker 2>enjoy them elsewhere, and I'm just gonna kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>a garden that the deer don't eat. But that said,

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<v Speaker 2>even if that is your approach, you do still need

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<v Speaker 2>to spray because very often plants that are deer resistant,

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<v Speaker 2>when they are fresh from the nursery or in spring,

551
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<v Speaker 2>when they have fresh new growth, they may get some

552
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<v Speaker 2>browsing because you know, it's not the same as a

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<v Speaker 2>plant in the middle of this summer. It's all fibrous

554
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<v Speaker 2>and tough. So sometimes you even if you have deer

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<v Speaker 2>resistant plants, you still need to have a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of spray.

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<v Speaker 1>Got up the other morning, poured a cup of coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>walked out into the front yard to take a quick

559
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<v Speaker 1>check at the landscape, and my next door neighbor there's

560
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<v Speaker 1>a deer sitting on her front porch, just lounging there

561
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<v Speaker 1>on her front porch, watching the sun come up. It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a little conversation with this deer. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love putting pots of flowers on the stairway leading up

564
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<v Speaker 1>to my front door, and I have used a truffle

565
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<v Speaker 1>of pink gumfreness because I love them and allegedly supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be somewhat deer resistant, and they just chow on

567
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<v Speaker 1>those things. So I hit them with the bobecks. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when the Amazon driver comes or the postal service

569
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<v Speaker 1>worker or a visitor to the house and they brush

570
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<v Speaker 1>against the plants, their pants smell like bobecks. I can

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<v Speaker 1>picture them in the car driving away, going.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The simple fact is I really hate to be the

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<v Speaker 2>bearer of bad news, but any quote unquote good smelling

576
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.759
<v Speaker 2>deer repellent is not going to work. They have to

577
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.039
<v Speaker 2>smell disgusting. There's just no two ways about it. And

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<v Speaker 2>the most effective ingredient in deer repellent is putrefied egg solids. Yeah,

579
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<v Speaker 2>and dried blood as lovely as the cell is. Sorry, Linda,

580
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<v Speaker 2>those are the most effective ingredients. And as you can imagine, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>putresca so rotten eggs that they have been dried out

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<v Speaker 2>and powdered. So yeah, there's just no getting around at

583
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<v Speaker 2>deer repellants to be effective, really, do you have to

584
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<v Speaker 2>smell awful? Now? I have use some of the winter

585
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<v Speaker 2>green type smelling like the really strong mint smell.

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<v Speaker 1>Cinnamon, oil, castor oil, yes, lemon grass in there, that

587
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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, but some of them are only as

588
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<v Speaker 1>useful as taking the actual bottle, yes, throwing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So unfortunately I use plants skid. It smells disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>It is very effective, and if you put it on

591
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and it looks like dried blood, it has like a

592
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 2>really dark red color and you think, oh my gosh,

593
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<v Speaker 2>I ruined my plants, but you didn't. It does kind

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<v Speaker 2>of somehow disappear as far as flowers go. Yes, if

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<v Speaker 2>you were to put a most deer repellent directly onto

596
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.279
<v Speaker 2>a flower, chances are you will lose that bloom, so

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00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.279
<v Speaker 2>you want to time it really so that it's the

598
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<v Speaker 2>bud that you're covering over, you know, the actual blooming flower.

599
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<v Speaker 2>And then you have to apply them as often as

600
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<v Speaker 2>the plant grows, so you know it doesn't have a

601
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<v Speaker 2>you know, a systemic effect where it's on the planet,

602
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<v Speaker 2>and it will keep growing every time that deer puts

603
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<v Speaker 2>every every time the plant puts out new growth that

604
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<v Speaker 2>is now appealing to the deer because it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the repellent on it. So how often you apply it,

606
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 2>they're usually pretty rain proof, but anytime you have new growth,

607
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 2>you have to put more.

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<v Speaker 1>On question four A, are we going to have deer

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<v Speaker 1>on our deserted island?

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<v Speaker 2>I hope not. I didn't even consider them. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna lie. And yeah. So the other thing is I

612
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<v Speaker 2>would say they're not generally safe for vegetables, so any

613
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<v Speaker 2>kind of edible plant, most of these deer repellents are

614
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<v Speaker 2>not safe to use. But I did find a really

615
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<v Speaker 2>great resource from the University of Maryland Cooperative Extension that

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<v Speaker 2>goes over all of the different deer repellents, all of

617
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<v Speaker 2>the common ingredients and talks about how effective they are,

618
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<v Speaker 2>how you can use them. It's a really, really useful

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best websites I have ever found for this.

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<v Speaker 2>So we will definitely be sharing that in the YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>caption as well as in the show notes at Gardening

622
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<v Speaker 2>Simplified on air dot com. So we feel your pain, Linda,

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<v Speaker 2>But unfortunately I have to say if it sounds too

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<v Speaker 2>good to be true when it comes to deer repellent,

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<v Speaker 2>it usually is just you know, putting coyote urine around

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<v Speaker 2>your yard is usually not not gonna do it. It

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<v Speaker 2>sure does. We're gonna take a little break when we

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Okay to continue

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<v Speaker 1>on this deserted island thing. This fascinates me and by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, that's making the assumption that the island is tropical.

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<v Speaker 1>What about a cold weather deserted island. I mentioned at

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<v Speaker 1>the outset Devon Island, which is and it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>little island, it's big. It's about the size of West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, that is big.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And they test Mars rovers there and that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. But if I was there and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a cold island, my list of plants Stacey would be

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<v Speaker 1>potatoes or some kind of root vegetable, cucumbers, blueberries for

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<v Speaker 1>the whole vitamin sea thing, a maple tree because a

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<v Speaker 1>maple tree is a great resource for many reasons. And cabbage.

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<v Speaker 1>Those would be my choices.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I hope you have like a stove and

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<v Speaker 2>some salt for canning.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there's the next problem, creating fire, right, yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Because when I went to a survival guide thing and

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<v Speaker 1>it said what do you do first, don't pant, don't panic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, I'll try not to do that, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure I will be an a king.

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<v Speaker 1>Maintain your composture. Then sit down, make a plan, and

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<v Speaker 1>your survival priorities are shelter, water, fire, food. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>the fire part. By the way. Interestingly enough, here in

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<v Speaker 1>West Michigan we had quite an event this past weekend

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<v Speaker 1>where some huge mulch piles started on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>That's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it was. It was scary, But some gigantic

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<v Speaker 1>mulch piles at a suppliers started on fire. It just

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<v Speaker 1>shows you the heat that's generated inside those mulch piles.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're going to start to see some stuff out

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<v Speaker 1>there where people are worried about mulch in your landscape

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<v Speaker 1>just spontaneously self combusting. And it's not something that you

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about. When you've got two or three

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<v Speaker 1>inches of mulch down in your landscape, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>something that's going to start on fire. These are gigant

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<v Speaker 1>and you find it around the country, not just the

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<v Speaker 1>event this past weekend here in West Michigan, but around

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<v Speaker 1>the country from time to time, Stacy, you'll see some

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<v Speaker 1>of these mulch piles that get so hot in the

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<v Speaker 1>center they do start on.

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<v Speaker 2>Fire, right, And you really have to think about the

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<v Speaker 2>difference between a massive, massive mulch pile and the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>that is in the center of that versus just a

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<v Speaker 2>few inches spread in your yard. And to be fair,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, mulch is still a fire has ord. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be real careful if you are having

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one fires and that kind of thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to spontaneously combust because it just doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>get to that temperature once it is spread out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>into that normal layer that we use. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember being a landscaper, you know, and having mulch delivered

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<v Speaker 2>to a job site and it's summer and you get

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<v Speaker 2>into the center of that pile and it's just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just like a sauna just coming right off of that,

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<v Speaker 2>right off of that multipile.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very mulch. But it does also bring up

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<v Speaker 1>the point that when your mulching plants, don't mulch them

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<v Speaker 1>too deep.

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<v Speaker 2>That's for sure, you know, it can be warm around

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<v Speaker 2>the plant exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyhow, just went off on a table.

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually just quoted in a mulch article recently.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget what magazine it was for. A garden writer

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<v Speaker 2>reached out and it was really great because a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times when I talk to garden writers about different topics,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they kind of I wouldn't say, like they

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<v Speaker 2>censor me. They don't censor me, but they will, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I will talk from the cuff and then they'll put

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<v Speaker 2>my words very nicely, and she ran my unedited and

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on that rubber mulch. Oh, So you know, basically

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<v Speaker 2>the short version here is it's just fine if you're mulching,

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<v Speaker 2>your kids, play set with it, but do not under

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<v Speaker 2>any circumstances. I think I said, for the love of

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<v Speaker 2>all that is horticultural, do not use rubber mulch in

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<v Speaker 2>your bed. So we can put a links to that too.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to know a lot more about how

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<v Speaker 2>I feel about.

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<v Speaker 1>Mulch, I agree, yeah, don't get me started on stone mault.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to stop right here. Okay, Although while we're

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<v Speaker 1>on a rant thing, why don't we just go for

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<v Speaker 1>it here a minute. This past weekend very busy at

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<v Speaker 1>the greenhouse. Sure, and you would be amazed. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure I'm accurate here. Three different people over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the day who came to me and

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<v Speaker 1>asked me for the rainbow tomatoes or the red and

720
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<v Speaker 1>white hosta plants. Believing that these AI scams are real.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would invite people to go back and revisit

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<v Speaker 1>episode eighty two fact or fiction when we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this stacy, because there's a lot of that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>It is there's so much, and I do feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's a teeny bit better than it was last year,

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<v Speaker 2>where at least you know, they are putting some really

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<v Speaker 2>rotten stuff out there, but they're not offering it for

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<v Speaker 2>sale for the most parts. But yeah, there's just so

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<v Speaker 2>much AI generated stuff, and you know, it upsets me

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<v Speaker 2>because plants are cool enough on their own. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't need to be put through some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>AI and have weird colors and sizes for you to

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate them. They're worth appreciating just as they are. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's always worth there's always information in there,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it'll say, oh, this is called you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You can always google that plant name, that variety name

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<v Speaker 2>that they're claiming is associated with it. See what else

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<v Speaker 2>is out there, give it a little fact check before

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<v Speaker 2>were you head out to the garden center.

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<v Speaker 1>And while I'm thinking about it, we talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>multch Let me just quickly mention that there was an individual,

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<v Speaker 1>a nice gentleman who came walking in It's busy, stops me,

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<v Speaker 1>shakes my hands as he watches the Gardening Simplified show,

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<v Speaker 1>loves the show, and then he proceeds to tell me

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<v Speaker 1>that his grandson was sent home from school with a

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<v Speaker 1>note because they were working on grammar, and his grandson

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<v Speaker 1>insisted to the teacher that the phrase was not thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's thank you very mulch aw.

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<v Speaker 1>And she sent him home with a note. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so proud. Nah oh boy. All right. So this deserted

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<v Speaker 1>island talk caused me to think a minute, Stacey, and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you this question. Let's say it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a deserted island, but let's say you had to

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<v Speaker 1>leave your home today and you could only take five

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<v Speaker 1>plants with you. Oh, would that be tough?

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<v Speaker 2>From my garden, I can only take five individual plants.

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<v Speaker 1>Five individual plants, So I would probably take a favorite

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<v Speaker 1>grass cultivar. I'd take some of my cannas, probably a baptizia,

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<v Speaker 1>a panicle hydrangea, and a macrophilla hydrangea. When push comes

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<v Speaker 1>to shovel. If that's all I could pick, probably take those.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh those are good choices, those are good choices. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad you had some Hydrange's in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is there, yes, is there a plant that

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<v Speaker 1>you absolutely positively would you know? We gotta leave, We

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<v Speaker 1>gotta leave. Now we're not coming back. I'm taking this plant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it probably would be my summarific hibiscus. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, I have a lot of lavender, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of lavender in my garden and I love it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I feel like it's very you know, important.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be a good seasoning, I guess if I

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm stuck with this and in few other plants,

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<v Speaker 2>I also just feel like, you know, if it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, hey, what sort of symbolizes my garden

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<v Speaker 2>at home, it's probably boxwood, lavender, succulents and summerific hibiscus,

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<v Speaker 2>because I have a lot of hardy suculents, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you my hearty suculent gardens right now are looking stunning,

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<v Speaker 2>best they've ever looked, just amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when we talk about having to pull up

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<v Speaker 1>plants and take them with us and or being on

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<v Speaker 1>a deserted island, one of the things that came to

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<v Speaker 1>mind for me, and we don't talk about it often,

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<v Speaker 1>well maybe we do, and that is herbs talk about

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<v Speaker 1>plants that are so beautiful and beneficial at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time and don't ask for much except for some sunshine.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was thinking that. The other day, walking back

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<v Speaker 1>in my landscape, there were some chibes that I left

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<v Speaker 1>in a container over winter, and as opposed to getting

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<v Speaker 1>rid of them, they come back up in spring and

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<v Speaker 1>they were coming into flower and just so beautiful. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, you know, if there's if there's a plant

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<v Speaker 1>we need in our landscape and incorporate into our landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be herbs because of the ornamental, edible, and

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<v Speaker 1>therapeutic benefits that they provide.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I feel the same way, And I am

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<v Speaker 2>so grateful that herbs are one of the plants that

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<v Speaker 2>you can grow without having to fence off from the

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<v Speaker 2>deer or no deer repellent required. I am very grateful

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<v Speaker 2>that I am able to have a part of my

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<v Speaker 2>garden that is not completely fenced off right now, because

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<v Speaker 2>even when they're emerging and that foliage is young and tender, no,

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<v Speaker 2>they aren't touching the sage or the chives or the

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<v Speaker 2>oregano or anything else. So, yeah, I love herbs. I

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<v Speaker 2>love how they all look so Mediterranean together. They all

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<v Speaker 2>look incredible together no matter how you combine them. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've been working hard in my herb garden

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<v Speaker 2>for the last several weeks getting it ready to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of work towards the herb garden of my dream. So

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<v Speaker 2>I have been thinking about herbs quite a bit lately myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks so much for joining us here on I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to call it Gilligan's Island today. I'm hoping I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not the captain that got us into this mess. I

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<v Speaker 1>certainly hope I'm not Gilligan. I like to think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>the professor who can make a radio out of a coconut.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Stacy Rick, thank you Adriana, and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>to you for watching us on YouTube, downloading the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>or listening on radio. Have yourself a great