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Speaker 1: Broadcasting from blooming West, Michigan. Here at Studio A proven

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winners Color Choice Shrubs, It's time for the Gardening Simplified

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YouTube radio and podcast show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick

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weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. All right, Stacy,

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you're on a deserted island. What kind of plants would

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you want on that island with you, especially if you're

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limited to let's say five plants. And I thought about this,

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and I thought, why is this topic important? And I

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think the topic's important because there are a number of

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plants that we take for granted every day. I first

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think about trees and the shade that they provide, and

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many times we don't pay attention to those beautiful trees

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and the landscape until a storm comes along and branches

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or trees are down. Or you know, I love ornamental grasses,

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and you look at panicum or switch grass and its

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ability to provide biofuels and bedding for animals, maybe feed,

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whatever it may be, in addition to being a beautiful plant.

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Many times we take certain plants for granted. I'm pretty

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sure we wouldn't take them for granted if we were

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on a deserted island.

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Speaker 2: No, you'd be grateful for everything that you could get.

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And that is what this is about. So we're not

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saying these are like our you know, must have plants

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that we love the most out of the world. These

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are our survival plants. On this theoretical island where climate

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is no issue, we can grow whatever we want. Yeah,

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and we're talking just about like what plants can equip

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us with our everyday needs of survival.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And when you said dessert, I thought it was dessert,

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not desert or disha.

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Speaker 2: I always say I feel like desert island, but I

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could be wrong. I don't know. Yeah, is what we

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don't mean. It's literally a desert because obviously we're saying

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you can grow plants there.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was thinking along the lines of Crembu lat

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and Lemon Moraine.

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Speaker 2: That's a dessert eye favorites.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's true. There are deserted islands, deserted so

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to speak, across the world, including those that aren't necessarily tropical.

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You look at Devon Island in the far north of Canada.

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They use that island to practice and test for future

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Mars landings. Oh I did not know that verse and

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that sort of thing. Yeah, so if it was a

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tropical island, I think you and I are going to

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probably both agree that I want bamboo there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you gotta have a bamboo because you

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want to build structure. Now you talked about shade. Of course,

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in theory this island, you're going to need some shade,

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but you're also going to need shelter because you know,

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who knows what's going to happen, You're gonna need you

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have wind or animals or who knows what. In Bamboo

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is a great plant for providing construction materials extremely quickly.

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And you know, I'm going to go one further with

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the bamboo, and I am going to pick the specific

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species Philostackies edgeless, because this is the most edible bamboo

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as well. So you got a two for one here.

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Because all of our plants they're gonna have to do

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at least double duty. Well, they can't compete with us

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for the bamboo. That's going to be a problem, okay,

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But yeah, I mean, you know, then you've got the

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bamboo shoots to eat, and you've got the bamboo stems,

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which actually grow very fast. I think bamboo is one

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of the fastest growing plants on Earth. Uh, so you'll

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be able to build yourself that shelter relatively quickly and

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then start to you know, have some protection.

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Speaker 1: Oh by weight, one of the strongest materials in the world.

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And you're right, we need that for shelter. I want

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to make sure to have a coconut tree. Heck yeah,

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and I think that you know, they knew what they

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were doing on Gilligan's Island. As a matter of fact,

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you know, they had that coconut, the coconut trees there

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on Gilligan's Island. The professor could even make a radio

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out of a coconut, but they couldn't get off the island.

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I just think coconut's important because I could use it

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for building materials. The leaves pretty much most of the

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parts of the plant are edible, very fibrous. And of

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course the coconuts. This past year, when I was in

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Costa Rica and sipping from a fresh coconut, you know

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where you grilled a hole in and pop the Wow.

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Speaker 2: The only plant with liquid endosperm, So the coconut liquid.

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The liquid inside the coconut is the endosperm, which is

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the tissue that nurtures the seedling when it germinates. So

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like when you think about a bean seedling, those two

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you know, big bean halves that come out. That is endosperm,

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That is the food that fuels the shoot to germinate.

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So coconut is the only plant with a liquid endosperm.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating and you can.

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Speaker 2: Drink it and it's extremely nutritious. And you know, in

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theory here on our island, we may not have a

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lot of fresh water, and coconut water is going to

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be the next closest thing that you can do to

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sustain yourself. Coconuts are extremely productive, they're pretty much ever bearing.

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And then yeah, as you said, coconut palm foliage is

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extremely useful. You can weave yourself a hat, so while

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you're out there cultivating your you know, desert island garden,

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you're not getting all sunburned. You can weave yourself some clothes, bedding. Yeah,

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you know it's in yes, and you got the fiber

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off the coconut. So it's another, you know, multiple duty

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kind of plant. And coconuts are so ubiquitous that they

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don't actually know where they originated because they are so

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good at getting around and maintaining the integrity of their seed.

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And so they've basically spread to the entire tropical world

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and beyond and and sinus can't quite pinpoint exactly where

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they originated.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's fascinating. Interesting. Well I'm going to add to

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that then, bananas, because bananas.

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Speaker 2: Also, you don't like bananas, I'll eat them.

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Speaker 1: I mean I put them in my fruit smoothies in

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the morning. I just don't like to sit there and

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eat a banana.

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Speaker 2: I got you.

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Speaker 1: But if I'm on a deserted island, I mean when

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in Rome, do as the Romans do, and I'll eat

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you know, even the flowers are edible. And you were

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talking about the fibers, you know, with bananas, maybe I'd

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be able to start up a craft project. I have

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a lot of time on my hands on this dessert.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you can also use banana leaves for cooking,

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so they can be a plate potensil. But I am

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actually going to diverge from you here. My number three

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plant is a little bit specific. It is coffee cups

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coal a Casia so col acasia alocasia. These are plants

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known as elephant ears, and coffee cups is very interesting

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variety where the foliage grows facing upward, forming a little

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quite a large cup like formation, so very different than

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your standard plant where it's just going to be that

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straight leaf. But now you have a vessel to collect

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some rain water. And the colocasia itself, the root is

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edible and widely consumed again in tropical countries known as malaga.

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Different things, different names in different cultures, but it is

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highly nutritious and highly edible. So I got a water

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catchment system and an edible route.

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Speaker 1: I love that now, and I agree with you that

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that's going to be a great choice. I believe it's

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called tarro, and is that what it's called.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it has different names in different countries and cultures.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, and here's an interesting thing that I'll throw

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at you, and that is my beloved Cannas are a

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potential candidate for our deserted island because you can eat

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the rhizomes of a can and they taste very similar

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to the colocacia that you're talking, same difference. And you know,

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I could probably form the can of leaves to collect

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rain water too. But you're right, we're gonna need a

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method to collect rain.

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Speaker 2: Water and This is a cool plant that you can

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actually grow. So the other ones, you know, we're talking

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about not really plants that most of our listeners could

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just PLoP into the garden and grow. But this coffee

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cup's colocasia is a very popular plant right now and

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easy to find as you're doing your garden center shopping

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in the north.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we can grow bananas. We'll talk about that

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in segment. For Musa bajou is a winter hardy banana,

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we can talk about that. So my final plant, I

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think Stacey is going to be having an orange tree.

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I want oranges. Captain Captain Cook when he sailed the seas,

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he understood that scurvy and lack of vitamin C is

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what would kill his sailors on a long journey. So

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on some oranges.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I put citrus as a generic sort of you know,

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I couldn't really decide. I thought long and hard about

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which citrus would be the best citrus. I'm leaning towards lime,

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but I'm open to any of them. And you know,

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the other great thing about the citrus is true, it's

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going to give you some shade, so you know, you'll

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have some shade to sit under on your island under

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your tree, and you know you're going to be kind

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of probably stressed and maybe a little bit sad, but

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you'll have the beautiful fragrance of the citrus tree to hopefully,

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hopefully give you a little bit of hope.

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Speaker 1: I love this. I love this, and all of these

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plants far more useful than Wilson the volleyball that Tom

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Hanks was stuck with.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think Tom Hanks had a choice. I

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don't think he and I don't think we'll get a choice.

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more garlic. Now, I garlic. You know I'm feeling like.

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Speaker 1: For my cholesterol level.

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matter a lot less on this silent. I'm just saying,

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but you know it's you're gonna want to switch up

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the flavorings. Garlic is pretty easy and fast. You can

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eat the flowers as well as the I mean, don't

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take up a lot of rooms. So that's my frivolous choice,

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to switch up your dietary. You know, regime here, it's

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Speaker 1: In segment four, I'll add a few frivolous Also, here's

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my limerick for today. It's tough on an island deserted.

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Not my choice to be here inserted. Just me and

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my plants only here. It can get quite lonely. Bear

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in mind I'm extroverted. I'll occasionally go off on some rants.

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Can't keep to myself. Some stance. Just me and my

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very own plot. There's no human within earshot. Tell me

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do you talk to your plants? I want to find

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out from Stacy if she talks to her plants. I'll

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doing a little bit of a thought exercise today and

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talking about plants that we would want if we were

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to be stranded on a hypothetical island somewhere. And yes,

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as horticulturists and gardeners, it would be easy for us

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to say, oh, I just couldn't possibly live without the

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beauty of you know, summarific hibiscus. But you know, when

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the rubber hits the road, we're talking about the survival plants,

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plants that are going to give you a little bit more.

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Even though these plants, for the most part, are not

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plants that we're going to be growing here in our

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gardens in Michigan. Although I would love to live in

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a climate where I could grow my own coconut palm.

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That would be pretty great. That would be pretty pretty great.

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But anyway, so when it comes to proven Winter's Colored

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about one of our three hundred and twenty plus varieties,

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despite having that very long list of plants to choose from,

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none of them, I regret to inform you quite rises

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to survival level requirements. They are mostly ornamental plants, of course,

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they're certainly animals. Survival may depend on some of these plants,

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insects and birds and so forth, but human survival, it's

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a little bit of a stretch. Now, we do have

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some edible plants. We have splendid blue blueberry, we have

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Taste of Heaven BlackBerry. We have a new it'll actually

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be on the market next year. All those small plants

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will be available mail order this year. A new bush cherry.

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cherries you buy in grocery stores, but they are completely edible.

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a tree cherry, very very prolific. You don't need a pollinator.

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have some edible plants that are going to give you

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some nice fruit. But again, you know, these even though

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they have a good crop and a fairly good long

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season of bearing, you know, on our island, we can't

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afford to just you know, have a plant there that

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we're waiting for two weeks of blueberries on We need

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perpetual production. So it was a hard one for me

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today to keep with the theme. But I did come

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up with an idea and it is a flavorette paired rose. Now,

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you know, on this desert island, you are going to

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need some you know, food for the soul, of course,

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and we talked about that a little bit with the

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citrus and the delightful fragrance of the citrus, and so

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flavor Ae paired probably follows more into that food for

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the soul than food for the body. But it does

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at least work with this idea of it doing double duty,

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you know, and that's important too. So Flavorette paired is

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actually new in garden centers this year. It is an

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edible rose and it starts out kind of pink, and

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the flowers open white, and they're really full. They have

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a really really high pedal count an amazing fragrance, and

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the flavor and fragrance is reminiscent of ripe pears. Now,

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this is a plant. It's a second plant in the

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Flavorette series. This is a series of edible roses that

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came to us from Serbia and from a great rose

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breeding program there. You know, in the US, most people

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don't really think of roses as food. I mean, maybe

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some people will have like a bottle of rose water

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if they do a lot of baking, or something. But

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for the most part, North American people not big rose eaters,

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whereas we're in Europe and in other cultures, roses are

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very much a part of you know, everyday food consumption.

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Speaker 1: It's going to change now, I tell you what. These

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are fabulous plants. And we just got them in at

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the greenhouse where I'm helping out in spring, and I

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also posted about them in social media, posted beautiful plants,

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posted a picture of myself with these plants, Stacy. People

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are excited about this and really hadn't thought through this

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concept until Flavorette comes along, and it's like, wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all in and they're beautiful, and that's you know,

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what's really important is they aren't just edible, they are beautiful,

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and so you know, technically speaking, all roses are edible.

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So we're talking the petals, the flowers, the fruit after

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the flowers fade, the rose hips when they're right. But

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these roses, Flavorette pair today's plant on trial and then

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its companion plant, Flavorette honey apricots were selected specifically for

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being edible, and that's not just a question so of

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their flavors and the intensity and uniqueness of their flavors.

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It's also a textural issue, so some roses are going

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to have really thick petals, some might have some bitterness

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to them. Whereas the flavorrette were in addition to the

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flavors selected for this high quality edibility. They're really soft

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and kind of lush to taste. I have taste of

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them now, I think they are really nice. I do

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enjoy eating them. We do recommend if you're really looking

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for the maximum sweetness, you'd want to kind of avoid

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the very base of the pedal where it's kind of white.

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There's a little bit of bitterness there, but not enough

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to really impact it, kind of like treat it like

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an artichoke, keep that and then bite it off. But

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you might be wondering, like, well, what do I do

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with an edible rose? Well, the thing is with flavorette paired,

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you don't actually have to do anything. It can just

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kind of be in your garden and you're like, oh, hey,

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this is edible, because even if you never harvest it,

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it is still a beautiful, landscape worthy rose. It's going

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to bring a lot of interest to your garden. But

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the petals are can be used fresh or dried and fresh.

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They are really lovely and tasty enough to just kind

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of sprinkle over a salad or garnish a dessert plate.

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It's very popular to layer them with sugar and put

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them into a sealed container and for a couple of days,

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and then that infuses the sugar with the fragrance of

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the rose and you can use that in things like

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teas and that type of thing.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'd put them on ice cream.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you could definitely do that, or maybe.

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Speaker 1: My porridge, my oat brand that I eat in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Give that little summary, you know, kind of vibe. I

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like that. So you're gonna get one? Are you gonna

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add one to.

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Speaker 1: The solt It's going in the compound.

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Speaker 2: All right. I'm glad to hear that. So uh yeah.

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So really, there's so many different things that you can

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do with this once you start diving into it. And

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the people who developed this rose in Serbia created a

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beautiful cookbook where they worked with chefs from all over

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Europe to develop some unique recipes. So if you need

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some inspiration, it's definitely a great choice. Now we have

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also evaluated these for disease resistance and we are looking

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for plants. You know that we're always looking in the

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proven winner's color choice line for plants that do more

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than just one thing. You know, we don't want it

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to just be like, hey, this is an edible rose

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and it's really cool and it's beautiful, but it's going

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to be, you know, plagued by disease and you're gonna

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not even be able to get anything out of it

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because it's struggling so much. So we are testing for

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disease resistance, and both flavor At Honey Apricot and Flavorite

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PAIRT have shown good disease resistance. But as with any rose,

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for best disease resistance, you're going to want to do

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a couple of things. You're going to want to plant

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it in full sun, so that's a minimum of six

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hours of bright light every single day, and you're going

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to want to give it good air circulation. This is

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so important because all of those fungal leaf spot diseases

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that pop up on roses and other plants, they thrive

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where there's a low air flow. So you know, the

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plant isn't drying off quickly. It's just kind of like

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a stagnant spot with good airflow. Air can get to

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the plant, the leaves will dry off quickly, which will

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help reduce the incidents of any kind of folly or

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disease occurring. So flavor ite pair gets to be about

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three to four feet tall and three feet wide, so

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you're going to want to make sure that from the

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center of the plant it has at least three feet

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kind of on all sides to make sure it has

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that good air circulation so that it's getting maximum light,

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maximum disease resistance, and of course maximum flowers because you

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need all that sun and light for flowers.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely great point, and I think I would add to that, Stacey,

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I would probably prune off some of the bottom branches too,

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not allow some of those branches to touch the ground.

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when we get into the hot, humid days of summer,

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is so important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And speaking of hot and humid days, this is

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also a continuous blooming row. So it will bloom all

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summer unless it gets very very hot and you're in

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a hot climate, it might need to take a little

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break just to deal with all of that heat stress.

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summer for us without a problem. You may be wondering

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where you can grow it, and it is hardy down

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to USDA Zone four, heat tolerant through USDA Zone eight,

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so a little less heat tolerant than a lot of

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other roses, which I think just comes from it coming

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country where it was developed more for its edibility than

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it's you know thoroughly, it's it's landscape resistance. So it's

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companion plant. Flavor Ae honey apricot gets to be five

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to eight feet tall, so this is a much smaller plant.

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Very good if you have small spaces. I think this

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would be an amazing addition to an herb garden. Absolutely,

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I wish I could put it in mine, but I

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can't because I have deer, and of course roses, despite

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their thorns, are not the least bit deer resistance. So

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I'm just gonna have to dream about having flavorette paired

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row in my herb garden instead of actually being able

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to put it there.

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know how it goes. Like I said,

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I'm putting one in the compound.

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Speaker 2: Are you putting in paired or Honey Apricot are thinking

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about both, Okay, yeah, so in my vegetable garden. Yeah,

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I think it makes a great companion to the vegetable garden.

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And flavor at Honey Apricot is a beautiful kind of

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orangey apricotti color and paired, like I said, is pink

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and aging to white. And you know you can combine

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them together in your in your dishes and everything. So

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I look forward to your Martha Stewart styled photoshoot once

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your flavor ate roses are producing and you and you

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have a very deluxe porge.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, you asked for it. Get ready, Adriana, bring

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the video camera.

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Speaker 2: All right, Stay tuned, and if you are looking to

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add a flavor ate rose to your garden, make sure

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you look for it at your local garden center. This season,

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we're gonna take a little bit of a break. When

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you come back, we're opening up the mailbag, so please

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your question. But you know we do hear from a

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lot of listeners with comments or celebrations. You know, some

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people may not have gardening pals to share their accomplishments with,

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but a listener Dale actually reached out with an interesting article.

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So he says that we gave our listener who had

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aphids on her Cinderella milkweed the worst possible advice, and

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I'm like, whoa, my ears are pricking up here. And

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he goes on to share an article that was published

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in the journal Insects that so it's a peer reviewed article.

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This isn't just some you know, wacky thing he found

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on Pinterest that he's trying to claim is true. This

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is a real scientific article that milkweed plants that support

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quote diverse arthropod community. So multiple species of insects depending

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on them are actually better for monarchs, and specifically the

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first generation each year of the monarchs, the spring monarchs. Now,

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so basically, what the study goes on to say is

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that in milk weed plants that have aphids, and milkweed

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bugs and milkweed testic monsters, a number of different insects

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that do also rely on milkweed aside from the monarch,

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are actually sought out more by monarch adults to lay

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their eggs on, as they're seeing perhaps is more resilient.

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They're not exactly sure why. Now, I do want to

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add a caveat here. This study was limited just to Texas, Oklahoma,

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and Louisiana, and that is significant because those states, of course,

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are so close to the lands or the monarchs migrate,

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so their behavior there could be a little bit different

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than we're going to see up here in Michigan. But

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he did go on to say, also so that you know,

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one of the things that we recommended was an insecticidal soap.

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And the truth is that by the time the monarchs

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are or the milkweed is up enough to actually have

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aphids on it, it's completely possible that there are actually

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monarch eggs and or little teeny tiny caterpillars that you

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have to have a really good eye to see. So yeah,

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and of course the soap would kill those as well

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as killing the aphids, So you know my overall thought

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on aphids and I we talked a lot about aphids recently,

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because aphids are so prominent in the spring. You know,

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everything's soft and succulent growth, and that is their favorite thing.

473
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I will say for my part, I have a lot

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of tolerance for aphids. I usually don't do anything about them,

475
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but you know, I get it people get freaked out. Now,

476
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I will say later in the season on milkweed, I

477
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have had aphids that are so bad that what happens is,

478
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you know, they take over and their excrement starts to

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grow mold, and then that mold becomes really active to

480
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flies and wasps, and there are a number of wasp

481
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predators of milk of monarch caterpillars, And of course by

482
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that time, no sane monarch would lay her eggs on

483
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,680
this mold covered horrible milk weed plant. But I will

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say later in the season, when I do have milkweeds

485
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that are looking like that, I very often do cut

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them back. But at that point, you know, of course

487
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I'm looking them over, but I would still probably just

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cut them back rather than actually try to control the aphids.

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So we will put the link to the study that

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Dale sent in the show notes as well as in

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the YouTube comma or the YouTube caption there. It is

492
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a full length article, so maybe a little bit much

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for the average listener, but it's quite interesting and I

494
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thought it was very interesting that it was something that

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they were studying, so I wanted to share that with you.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's a fantastic thank you, Dale, and

497
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great food for thought.

498
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Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. So we have a question from Linda.

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Speaker 1: Dear Stacey and Rick. I'm addicted to your show. Oh

500
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:03,079
I've learned so much from watching all of your episodes.

501
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,359
I keep watching them over and over. My son in

502
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,079
law has a market with a greenhouse, and for the

503
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past three days, at the age of seventy four, I

504
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,519
have done nothing from morning till night but help them

505
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:19,839
repot plants to get ready for spring sales. Way to go, Linda,

506
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,799
that's fantastic. You both have mentioned that you have a

507
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,160
deer problem in your yard. My daughter and I both

508
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,839
have the same issue, and my son in law's market

509
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,440
gets attacked from time to time. You mentioned that you

510
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:34,480
spray for deer to deter them, but you never mention

511
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an actual product. Might I ask what you use and

512
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,680
how well it works for you. How often do you spray,

513
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,720
how much do you dowse the plants with? And does

514
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,240
it have a negative effect on the blooms? Love Love

515
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,759
love your show so nice?

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00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you use?

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Speaker 1: Well, lots of deer where I'm at. Of course, you know,

518
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I built a compound online and I ordered signs that

519
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:04,799
said no deer alloud and deer can read. So that

520
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,960
has helped. Also, if you don't have a compound, of course,

521
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there are many wonderful deer resistant plants in this case.

522
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,759
Of course, yes, Linda's trying to, especially in the market,

523
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:21,480
have plants out there that deer can affect. So throughout

524
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:27,359
the years, I've used liquid fence. Okay, however, over the

525
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,680
past couple years I have used if we're asking for

526
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a specific product, I've used BOBBYX.

527
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Speaker 2: Boy.

528
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Speaker 1: Does it smell, yes, but it works. And I also

529
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like to do some feeding with malorganite. The deer do

530
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,519
not like the malorganite. Also, even though the product is

531
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not labeled as a deer control, I know a number

532
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:56,119
of people who use malorganite also to deter them. So

533
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I think a combination of deer resistant plants, you know,

534
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,160
incorporating aliums, ornamental grasses, nepettas, lavender, that sort of thing

535
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,319
will cause them to turn their nose up. But Bobex

536
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,079
is the product that I.

537
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Speaker 2: Like, all right, So I have definitely mostly just planted

538
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,440
things that the deer won't eat. You know, I decided,

539
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,920
despite the heartbreak of finding out that I had deer

540
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,400
when I moved into my house, not thinking that I would,

541
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,359
I found that I just don't have it in me

542
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,759
to spray all the time, you know, the trait. It

543
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,200
would just be disheartening to me. So I was kind

544
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,319
of like, you know what, I'm just going to give

545
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,400
up the plants that I wanted and can't have and

546
00:29:39,519 --> 00:29:41,920
enjoy them elsewhere, and I'm just gonna kind of have

547
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,039
a garden that the deer don't eat. But that said,

548
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,559
even if that is your approach, you do still need

549
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to spray because very often plants that are deer resistant,

550
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:53,880
when they are fresh from the nursery or in spring,

551
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,359
when they have fresh new growth, they may get some

552
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,000
browsing because you know, it's not the same as a

553
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,000
plant in the middle of this summer. It's all fibrous

554
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,480
and tough. So sometimes you even if you have deer

555
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,000
resistant plants, you still need to have a little bit

556
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of spray.

557
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: Got up the other morning, poured a cup of coffee,

558
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:11,960
walked out into the front yard to take a quick

559
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:15,759
check at the landscape, and my next door neighbor there's

560
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a deer sitting on her front porch, just lounging there

561
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,279
on her front porch, watching the sun come up. It's ridiculous.

562
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:27,640
I had a little conversation with this deer. And I

563
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:31,079
love putting pots of flowers on the stairway leading up

564
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:35,759
to my front door, and I have used a truffle

565
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:39,640
of pink gumfreness because I love them and allegedly supposed

566
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,039
to be somewhat deer resistant, and they just chow on

567
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:45,680
those things. So I hit them with the bobecks. And

568
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,319
then when the Amazon driver comes or the postal service

569
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worker or a visitor to the house and they brush

570
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:57,519
against the plants, their pants smell like bobecks. I can

571
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picture them in the car driving away, going.

572
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,559
Speaker 2: What is that? Yeah?

573
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: You know.

574
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Speaker 2: The simple fact is I really hate to be the

575
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:10,200
bearer of bad news, but any quote unquote good smelling

576
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,759
deer repellent is not going to work. They have to

577
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:17,039
smell disgusting. There's just no two ways about it. And

578
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:24,640
the most effective ingredient in deer repellent is putrefied egg solids. Yeah,

579
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,079
and dried blood as lovely as the cell is. Sorry, Linda,

580
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,200
those are the most effective ingredients. And as you can imagine, yes,

581
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,359
putresca so rotten eggs that they have been dried out

582
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,599
and powdered. So yeah, there's just no getting around at

583
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,519
deer repellants to be effective, really, do you have to

584
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,440
smell awful? Now? I have use some of the winter

585
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:50,079
green type smelling like the really strong mint smell.

586
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,079
Speaker 1: Cinnamon, oil, castor oil, yes, lemon grass in there, that

587
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,000
sort of thing, but some of them are only as

588
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,839
useful as taking the actual bottle, yes, throwing it.

589
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:03,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, So unfortunately I use plants skid. It smells disgusting.

590
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,839
It is very effective, and if you put it on

591
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,279
and it looks like dried blood, it has like a

592
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,519
really dark red color and you think, oh my gosh,

593
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,279
I ruined my plants, but you didn't. It does kind

594
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:18,799
of somehow disappear as far as flowers go. Yes, if

595
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,880
you were to put a most deer repellent directly onto

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00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,279
a flower, chances are you will lose that bloom, so

597
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,279
you want to time it really so that it's the

598
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:31,039
bud that you're covering over, you know, the actual blooming flower.

599
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And then you have to apply them as often as

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the plant grows, so you know it doesn't have a

601
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,759
you know, a systemic effect where it's on the planet,

602
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,440
and it will keep growing every time that deer puts

603
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,920
every every time the plant puts out new growth that

604
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:48,039
is now appealing to the deer because it doesn't have

605
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:51,480
the repellent on it. So how often you apply it,

606
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,759
they're usually pretty rain proof, but anytime you have new growth,

607
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:55,359
you have to put more.

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Speaker 1: On question four A, are we going to have deer

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on our deserted island?

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Speaker 2: I hope not. I didn't even consider them. I'm not

611
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gonna lie. And yeah. So the other thing is I

612
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,519
would say they're not generally safe for vegetables, so any

613
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,000
kind of edible plant, most of these deer repellents are

614
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,119
not safe to use. But I did find a really

615
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,559
great resource from the University of Maryland Cooperative Extension that

616
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,359
goes over all of the different deer repellents, all of

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the common ingredients and talks about how effective they are,

618
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,000
how you can use them. It's a really, really useful

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one of the best websites I have ever found for this.

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So we will definitely be sharing that in the YouTube

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caption as well as in the show notes at Gardening

622
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Simplified on air dot com. So we feel your pain, Linda,

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But unfortunately I have to say if it sounds too

624
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good to be true when it comes to deer repellent,

625
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,359
it usually is just you know, putting coyote urine around

626
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:53,599
your yard is usually not not gonna do it. It

627
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sure does. We're gonna take a little break when we

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Okay to continue

635
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,880
on this deserted island thing. This fascinates me and by

636
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,599
the way, that's making the assumption that the island is tropical.

637
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,519
What about a cold weather deserted island. I mentioned at

638
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,159
the outset Devon Island, which is and it's not a

639
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,719
little island, it's big. It's about the size of West Virginia.

640
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that is big.

641
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they test Mars rovers there and that sort

642
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:50,559
of thing. But if I was there and it was

643
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,480
a cold island, my list of plants Stacey would be

644
00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:01,559
potatoes or some kind of root vegetable, cucumbers, blueberries for

645
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:07,239
the whole vitamin sea thing, a maple tree because a

646
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:12,360
maple tree is a great resource for many reasons. And cabbage.

647
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Those would be my choices.

648
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: All right, I hope you have like a stove and

649
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,599
some salt for canning.

650
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: Well there's the next problem, creating fire, right, yeah, right,

651
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,119
Because when I went to a survival guide thing and

652
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:31,159
it said what do you do first, don't pant, don't panic.

653
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I'll try not to do that, but I'm

654
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,400
sure I will be an a king.

655
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: Maintain your composture. Then sit down, make a plan, and

656
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,239
your survival priorities are shelter, water, fire, food. Yes, so

657
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,599
the fire part. By the way. Interestingly enough, here in

658
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:50,840
West Michigan we had quite an event this past weekend

659
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where some huge mulch piles started on fire.

660
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Speaker 2: That's scary.

661
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was. It was scary, But some gigantic

662
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,639
mulch piles at a suppliers started on fire. It just

663
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,760
shows you the heat that's generated inside those mulch piles.

664
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But you're going to start to see some stuff out

665
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,440
there where people are worried about mulch in your landscape

666
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:21,280
just spontaneously self combusting. And it's not something that you

667
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,400
have to worry about. When you've got two or three

668
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,760
inches of mulch down in your landscape, this is not

669
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something that's going to start on fire. These are gigant

670
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,320
and you find it around the country, not just the

671
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,719
event this past weekend here in West Michigan, but around

672
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,239
the country from time to time, Stacy, you'll see some

673
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of these mulch piles that get so hot in the

674
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center they do start on.

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Speaker 2: Fire, right, And you really have to think about the

676
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,119
difference between a massive, massive mulch pile and the temperature

677
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,039
that is in the center of that versus just a

678
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,599
few inches spread in your yard. And to be fair,

679
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,039
you know, mulch is still a fire has ord. Do

680
00:36:57,039 --> 00:36:58,840
you want to be real careful if you are having

681
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,239
you know, one fires and that kind of thing. But

682
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,920
it's not going to spontaneously combust because it just doesn't

683
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,159
get to that temperature once it is spread out, you know,

684
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,079
into that normal layer that we use. But yeah, I

685
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,800
remember being a landscaper, you know, and having mulch delivered

686
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,880
to a job site and it's summer and you get

687
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,599
into the center of that pile and it's just like, yeah,

688
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,599
just like a sauna just coming right off of that,

689
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:24,519
right off of that multipile.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very mulch. But it does also bring up

691
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:31,639
the point that when your mulching plants, don't mulch them

692
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:32,360
too deep.

693
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Speaker 2: That's for sure, you know, it can be warm around

694
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:34,920
the plant exactly.

695
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: So anyhow, just went off on a table.

696
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Speaker 2: I was actually just quoted in a mulch article recently.

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I forget what magazine it was for. A garden writer

698
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,000
reached out and it was really great because a lot

699
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:48,440
of times when I talk to garden writers about different topics,

700
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,519
you know, they kind of I wouldn't say, like they

701
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,679
censor me. They don't censor me, but they will, you know,

702
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,719
I will talk from the cuff and then they'll put

703
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,679
my words very nicely, and she ran my unedited and

704
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:08,719
thoughts on that rubber mulch. Oh, So you know, basically

705
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,079
the short version here is it's just fine if you're mulching,

706
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,960
your kids, play set with it, but do not under

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any circumstances. I think I said, for the love of

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all that is horticultural, do not use rubber mulch in

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your bed. So we can put a links to that too.

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If you want to know a lot more about how

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I feel about.

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Speaker 1: Mulch, I agree, yeah, don't get me started on stone mault.

713
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We got to stop right here. Okay, Although while we're

714
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on a rant thing, why don't we just go for

715
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it here a minute. This past weekend very busy at

716
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the greenhouse. Sure, and you would be amazed. I want

717
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to make sure I'm accurate here. Three different people over

718
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,679
the course of the day who came to me and

719
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,559
asked me for the rainbow tomatoes or the red and

720
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white hosta plants. Believing that these AI scams are real.

721
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So I would invite people to go back and revisit

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episode eighty two fact or fiction when we talk about

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this stacy, because there's a lot of that out there.

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Speaker 2: It is there's so much, and I do feel like

725
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it's a teeny bit better than it was last year,

726
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where at least you know, they are putting some really

727
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rotten stuff out there, but they're not offering it for

728
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,960
sale for the most parts. But yeah, there's just so

729
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,920
much AI generated stuff, and you know, it upsets me

730
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because plants are cool enough on their own. You know,

731
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they don't need to be put through some sort of

732
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:41,320
AI and have weird colors and sizes for you to

733
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appreciate them. They're worth appreciating just as they are. But

734
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you know, it's always worth there's always information in there,

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Like it'll say, oh, this is called you know whatever.

736
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,800
You can always google that plant name, that variety name

737
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,119
that they're claiming is associated with it. See what else

738
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:00,000
is out there, give it a little fact check before

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were you head out to the garden center.

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Speaker 1: And while I'm thinking about it, we talked about the

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multch Let me just quickly mention that there was an individual,

742
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a nice gentleman who came walking in It's busy, stops me,

743
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,360
shakes my hands as he watches the Gardening Simplified show,

744
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:21,840
loves the show, and then he proceeds to tell me

745
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,599
that his grandson was sent home from school with a

746
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,559
note because they were working on grammar, and his grandson

747
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,679
insisted to the teacher that the phrase was not thank

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you very much.

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Speaker 2: It's thank you very mulch aw.

750
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Speaker 1: And she sent him home with a note. And I'm

751
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so proud. Nah oh boy. All right. So this deserted

752
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,400
island talk caused me to think a minute, Stacey, and

753
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I want to ask you this question. Let's say it's

754
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,599
not a deserted island, but let's say you had to

755
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,920
leave your home today and you could only take five

756
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:05,440
plants with you. Oh, would that be tough?

757
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: From my garden, I can only take five individual plants.

758
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Five individual plants, So I would probably take a favorite

759
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:18,400
grass cultivar. I'd take some of my cannas, probably a baptizia,

760
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,599
a panicle hydrangea, and a macrophilla hydrangea. When push comes

761
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:27,960
to shovel. If that's all I could pick, probably take those.

762
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: Oh those are good choices, those are good choices. I'm

763
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,840
glad you had some Hydrange's in there.

764
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Speaker 1: I mean, is there, yes, is there a plant that

765
00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:37,840
you absolutely positively would you know? We gotta leave, We

766
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,800
gotta leave. Now we're not coming back. I'm taking this plant.

767
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it probably would be my summarific hibiscus. Okay,

768
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,239
but you know, I have a lot of lavender, a

769
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,519
lot of lavender in my garden and I love it,

770
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,760
you know, and I feel like it's very you know, important.

771
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,039
It could be a good seasoning, I guess if I

772
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:03,239
if I'm stuck with this and in few other plants,

773
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:05,079
I also just feel like, you know, if it's kind

774
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:08,519
of like, oh, hey, what sort of symbolizes my garden

775
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:16,480
at home, it's probably boxwood, lavender, succulents and summerific hibiscus,

776
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,480
because I have a lot of hardy suculents, and I'll

777
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,079
tell you my hearty suculent gardens right now are looking stunning,

778
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,159
best they've ever looked, just amazing.

779
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Speaker 1: You know, when we talk about having to pull up

780
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:32,559
plants and take them with us and or being on

781
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:35,159
a deserted island, one of the things that came to

782
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,559
mind for me, and we don't talk about it often,

783
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:44,360
well maybe we do, and that is herbs talk about

784
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:49,800
plants that are so beautiful and beneficial at the same

785
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,360
time and don't ask for much except for some sunshine.

786
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,559
And I was thinking that. The other day, walking back

787
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,800
in my landscape, there were some chibes that I left

788
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:05,639
in a container over winter, and as opposed to getting

789
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,480
rid of them, they come back up in spring and

790
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:12,280
they were coming into flower and just so beautiful. And

791
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,519
I'm thinking, you know, if there's if there's a plant

792
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:20,079
we need in our landscape and incorporate into our landscape,

793
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,400
it would be herbs because of the ornamental, edible, and

794
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:27,800
therapeutic benefits that they provide.

795
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Speaker 2: You know, I feel the same way, And I am

796
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,880
so grateful that herbs are one of the plants that

797
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,519
you can grow without having to fence off from the

798
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:39,960
deer or no deer repellent required. I am very grateful

799
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,679
that I am able to have a part of my

800
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,280
garden that is not completely fenced off right now, because

801
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,039
even when they're emerging and that foliage is young and tender, no,

802
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,519
they aren't touching the sage or the chives or the

803
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:56,360
oregano or anything else. So, yeah, I love herbs. I

804
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,440
love how they all look so Mediterranean together. They all

805
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,880
look incredible together no matter how you combine them. And yeah,

806
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,639
I mean I've been working hard in my herb garden

807
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,519
for the last several weeks getting it ready to kind

808
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:12,760
of work towards the herb garden of my dream. So

809
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,320
I have been thinking about herbs quite a bit lately myself.

810
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for joining us here on I'm

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going to call it Gilligan's Island today. I'm hoping I'm

812
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,480
not the captain that got us into this mess. I

813
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:27,559
certainly hope I'm not Gilligan. I like to think I'm

814
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:30,480
the professor who can make a radio out of a coconut.

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Thank you, Stacy Rick, thank you Adriana, and thank you

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to you for watching us on YouTube, downloading the podcast,

817
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or listening on radio. Have yourself a great