WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:06.839 This is Rich Stilman from Saint John's, Florida, and I 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:08.919 play golf at the King and the Bear Country Club, 3 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:12.000 at the World Golf Village, and at the Naval Air 4 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:16.280 Station in Jacksonville. In Jacksonville Course. This is Golf Smarter 5 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:17.760 number nine to sixty six. 6 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:21.600 The research we've done and seen and been provided it 7 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:25.719 unequivocally proves that walking is a much higher benefit to 8 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.879 your health than sitting in a golf cart. And it 9 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:32.000 can come from what caddy where you're just walking, or 10 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:34.320 are you pushing, or you're carrying your own bag. We've 11 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:37.359 actually seen some research that has shown that even just 12 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:40.560 walking with an electric caddy, you're burning as much, if 13 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:43.439 not more than carrying your bag or pushing a cart 14 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:46.280 because of the benefits of what goes on with your back. 15 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:48.640 If you're pushing a cart, you're in a posture that's 16 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.840 not very natural either because depending on the hills or 17 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:55.079 how the ground, if it's very soft and wet, your 18 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.759 posture can be almost somewhat horizontal to the ground because 19 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.479 where you're pushing the really benefits for austin, especially for 20 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:05.359 the like acaddies, as you're literally taking a walk, so 21 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:07.480 you do feel fresher, You do feel different. 22 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.680 Walking a course just got easier, and the health benefits 23 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:16.680 are substantial. 24 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:19.879 With Billy Holbrook of MGI Golf, this. 25 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:24.959 Is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great 26 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.079 golf minds to help you lower your score and raise 27 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:29.239 your golf IQ. 28 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.799 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. 29 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.359 Billy, Hey, Fred, nice to see you, Thank you. 30 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:38.719 Thank you very much for joining us today. 31 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:41.079 This is going to be an interesting one because I've 32 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:45.400 always talked about how I like to walk a golf course. 33 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.799 That walking a golf course for me is a way 34 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:51.519 that I can remember the golf course. Because I noticed 35 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:53.959 that when I'm in when I'm in a cart, when 36 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:58.439 i'm driving, it's I don't remember things about the golf course, right. 37 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:04.400 Shame the same here unless it's like an extremely unique 38 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.359 course or something that's just you know, top of the line, 39 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.240 you know a place that you've seen, you know, or 40 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.159 you've seen on TV. But you're right, if I play 41 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.800 well on the cart, so you know, I could be 42 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:17.680 on the seventh hole and says remember on number two 43 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:19.599 when you sit there, and like Jesus, I don't even 44 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.840 remember number two, I'd like, I'll explain that again, and like, 45 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.560 that's so strange that that was only forty minutes ago, 46 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.240 but yet it was hard again, maybe something about our age. 47 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:31.120 Who knows, I might say something about our age here. 48 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:31.560 I don't know. 49 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:33.400 Well I hope not, I know. 50 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:36.680 But the other part of it is like, you know, 51 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:38.680 when you're in a cart, you're just talking to somebody, 52 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:39.599 so you hit. 53 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.520 The ball, drive to the ball, hit the ball, drive 54 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:42.199 to the ball. 55 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:44.759 Correct, and it's just like, you know, and then there's 56 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:48.199 nowadays people have music in the cart, and it's like 57 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:52.080 it's not Yeah, I'm out here to be out here, right, 58 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:55.120 and I want to do this, and I enjoy the walk. 59 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:58.400 I enjoy the wildlife, you know, if they're lucky enough 60 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:01.199 to have any other than just bird, you know, things 61 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:05.479 flying around out there. But so I've advocated for a 62 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.960 long time that people should be walking. And what I've 63 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:13.439 really noticed lately there's more and more people in carts 64 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:16.639 driving in carts, and they're young people. 65 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:19.759 These are people who can walk. Yeah, but I think 66 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:20.759 they're drinking too much. 67 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:23.439 But I'm sure that has a little bit to do 68 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.039 with it. And I think, you know, unfortunately, the way 69 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:29.639 the America has, you know, the American golf business has 70 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.639 been run for you know, the last thirty forty years. 71 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:37.719 Golf courses have been designed for carts, meaning you know, 72 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:39.919 the green to the next team may not be right 73 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:43.439 next to it. So I would say, you know, from 74 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.599 forty years past, you'll be able to see a more 75 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.719 walkable golf course. That's something that's a little bit older. 76 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:54.520 But the modern design of golf courses has really made 77 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:56.479 it where the green to the next team might not 78 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:59.680 be and I'm sure you can, you know, testify this. 79 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.000 It could be four hundred yards away to the next 80 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:05.680 tee and so some a lot of times, you know, 81 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.639 I've gone to so many courses where they would say 82 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:10.960 the car path, the length of the cart path just 83 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.000 to give to the play eighteen holes is sometimes over 84 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.720 nine miles long just to get around. And that's a 85 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.439 long that's a long that's a long walk if you 86 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.720 if you wanted to do that. But I think if 87 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:26.720 we were just talking, and I think you hit it 88 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:30.600 right on the head. Walking really it does bring out 89 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:35.199 a more rhythmic way to play right where I think, 90 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.279 you know, everyone when I talk to it's like boy, 91 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:38.879 when I do walk or if I take it, if 92 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.160 I'm lucky to take you know, a caddy with me, 93 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:45.240 I just do. I do play a lot better because 94 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:47.879 it's a more It's paced so much easier. You hit 95 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:49.879 a ball, you're not rushing right to the you know, 96 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:53.319 not a cart rushing to your next shot. That time 97 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.000 you're taking to get to that shot, you're you're able 98 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.439 to think about things, experience and things, you know, seeing 99 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.240 views right rather than you know, ten seconds later you're 100 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:04.120 at your shot waiting for the green to clear or 101 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.000 something like that. It is a much it's a much 102 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:10.759 better paced way to play. Everyone, everyone plays better when 103 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.360 they do walk. Now, you know, we are in the 104 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:17.079 society that time is you know, time is valuable, and hey, 105 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.879 if I can get around faster with a cart, you know, 106 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:23.600 they that's the perception you get. But I think we've 107 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.079 been able to really do a lot of research and 108 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:29.160 do some things where if four of you are walking 109 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.199 and four of you are on a golf cart, it's 110 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:37.199 literally within a minute or two difference in how how 111 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:38.279 long it takes to play. 112 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:41.160 Is that right? Yeah, the timing. You know, people think 113 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.000 that they're speeding things up, but they're not really. 114 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.319 No they're not really, and it really does depending on 115 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.199 the pace of how it is in front of you. 116 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.519 If you play in a public course on a Saturday morning, 117 00:05:51.639 --> 00:05:54.800 it's yeah, it's it's gonna be four fifteen, it's gonna 118 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.360 be four to fifteen if you're taking a cart and 119 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:59.360 rushing to the to your ball, or it's four fifteen 120 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.160 in your walk. But we've done enough research where it 121 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.399 is very, very very close to that because you've got 122 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:07.439 to remember, Fred, you're taking you're in a cart with 123 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.399 two people, you're going to the other your your apartment 124 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:13.000 ball as well. So by the time all that is 125 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:17.199 kind of put together, you're you're literally you know, you 126 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:20.040 could take a straight line and get there just as effectively. 127 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.600 And then there's those days where you have the ninety 128 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:28.399 degree rule or card path only, and probably nothing slows 129 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:31.639 down around more than card path only. 130 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:35.399 Correct, It's it's uh yeah, I mean in my club 131 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.560 here in Orlando, I mean, if if it's if they're 132 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.000 not allowing cards, or if it's cart path only, I mean, 133 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.240 it's just people don't play. I mean, it's just amazing. 134 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:47.360 It's it's amazing. So you know, luckily for us, we've 135 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.959 been able to really do a uh really helpful with 136 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:54.199 a lot of that by you know, providing you caddies 137 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.399 to to hey, here's here's another option for you, because 138 00:06:57.439 --> 00:06:59.959 it is, it is there's nothing worse than having to 139 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.399 go back and forth from the car paths, especially you 140 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:06.480 know on the opposite side of the car path. There's 141 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.120 nothing worse. And then you know, and then you're like, god, 142 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.680 I don't know how far it is. I'll bring my 143 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:13.600 bag with me just you know, because I don't know 144 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:16.600 what kind of shot I'm going to have. So it's uh, yeah, 145 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.279 it does bring in a lot of extra work. 146 00:07:19.920 --> 00:07:22.759 Yeah, there's a course to to of the courses that 147 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.000 I play regularly, one of them it's like the end 148 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.800 of the day is like you took twelve thousand steps today, Yeah, 149 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.879 you know, eleven thousand steps and that's about a I 150 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:33.759 guess a four and a half to five mile walk. 151 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:35.120 Which is great. 152 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:35.879 Yes. 153 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.720 And then the other course has you know, like as 154 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.240 one of my buddies says, like, if there's a fence, 155 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:45.240 you got to go through it, right, and that's like 156 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:49.560 a seventeen thousand step where we're almost walking over seven. 157 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:51.800 Miles on that and can get pretty warm of there. 158 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:53.439 That's quite a walk. 159 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.519 And what I you know, the hardest thing that people 160 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:02.399 get nervous about walking is the wheels, right yeah, not 161 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.839 not having enough hydration, not having enough nutrition, and by 162 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:08.040 the end of the round, they're just they're not holding it. 163 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.839 Together right quite back nine. 164 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:12.519 Yeah, then they use that as their excuse is why 165 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:14.040 they need to be sitting in a golf cart. 166 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.920 And I mean it's you can add that to anything. 167 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:19.680 I mean, the more you do of something, you're just 168 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:22.399 you're just going to get better at it. You know, 169 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:25.600 with any type of exercise, you you know, the first 170 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.199 first few times you do it, yeah, it might struggle 171 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:30.920 a little bit, but after a while, it's you're you're 172 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:35.519 actually benefiting yourself to push push yourself through those eighteen holes. 173 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:38.960 You will get better at it and healthier obviously. 174 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:41.120 And how long have you been playing golf? 175 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:47.519 Uh? I was probably a nine, probably nine, so yeah, 176 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.240 well over forty years. 177 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.919 So did you were you introduced to golf as a walker? 178 00:08:53.240 --> 00:08:53.360 Oh? 179 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:56.559 Yeah, of course you carried your bag. I Uh, I 180 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:58.879 was a member at a nine hole course in Connecticut 181 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.399 and I was the first junior member they ever had, 182 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.080 And yeah, I just took my I drove my bike 183 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:06.759 up to the club, played thirty six holes every day. 184 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:09.440 But yeah, walked it the whole time. I mean I 185 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.759 never took a cart the day. I don't think they'd 186 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:14.279 allow me to because I was too young. But you know, yeah, 187 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.639 it was that was just you know, what you did 188 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.240 every day. But yeah, absolutely, we all we all, you know, 189 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:23.639 for the most part, we all were introduced that way, 190 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:24.600 you know, walking. 191 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.480 Yeah, and as that kid, were you like, Okay, this 192 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:29.399 is going to be my life. 193 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:30.919 I'm going to be in the golf business. 194 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.519 I think, you know, not at that age. I think 195 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:36.360 it took a little while. I've been with it. You know, 196 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.240 I've been in the golf business really since through high 197 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.679 school and I kind of I kind of felt like, hey, 198 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:44.879 I want to do something I'm I feel like I'm 199 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:46.799 pretty good at or I have a passion for. So 200 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.519 it always that kind of kept me focused in staying 201 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.559 in the in the business. I think I wanted to 202 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:55.320 be a player, you know, professionally for a while, made 203 00:09:55.360 --> 00:10:00.440 the play played at Methodist College. It's a Division three school. 204 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:04.559 They were very you know, very very successful. But I 205 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:05.919 always thought I was going to be you know, I 206 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.360 wanted to play and then it kind of worked from 207 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.519 being a player into maybe being a professional golfer, you know, 208 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.840 teaching and running a golf shop that then morphed into 209 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.080 becoming a rep for the past twenty five years, and 210 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.279 then let into this opportunity about six years ago. So 211 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.639 so yeah, I've kind of felt like I've you know, 212 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.840 been been part of the business for you know, quite 213 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:30.279 a while. 214 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:38.360 I think there's a lot of people who feel that 215 00:10:38.519 --> 00:10:43.519 if I walk a golf course, I'm gonna I'm going 216 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.039 to invite new pain aches and pains in my back 217 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:50.679 because you know, I'm just not used to walking, or 218 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.720 you know, it's easier for me to sit. I know 219 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.080 that for me, sitting in a golf cart hurts my 220 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:59.000 back more than walking it through and you know, being 221 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:00.000 able to keep it loose. 222 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:00.720 Mm hm. 223 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:06.039 Are there studies are about the benefits of walking. There's 224 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:11.279 Have they shown that it's a greater benefit for you 225 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:12.720 as a golfer to walk. 226 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.639 It's almost I mean, the the research that we've done 227 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.399 and seen and been provided, it's it's one hundred percent. 228 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:25.200 I mean, every unequivocally proves that walking is a much 229 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:29.039 higher benefit to your health than sitting in a golf cart, 230 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:33.960 no question. And it can come from you know, a caddy. 231 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:35.840 You know you might have you might be lucky to 232 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.440 have a caddy where you're just walking or or are 233 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.480 you pushing or you're carrying your own bag. I mean, 234 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:45.840 even when it comes to that, we've we've actually seen 235 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:50.039 some some you know, some research that has shown that 236 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:53.799 even just walking with an electric caddy, you're you're burning 237 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.600 as much, if not more than than walking with a 238 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:00.200 carrying a bag or pushing a car because of the 239 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.360 benefits of what goes on with your back. If you're 240 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.600 pushing a cart, you're you're in a posture that's not 241 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.960 very natural either because you know, depending on the hills 242 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:13.799 or how how the the ground, if it's very soft 243 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:16.960 and wet, I mean, your posture can be very almost 244 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:21.080 almost somewhat horizontal to the ground because of what where 245 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:25.320 you're pushing. So the the really benefits for us, and 246 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:28.480 especially for electric caddies, is you're literally taking a walk. 247 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.080 You're not having to put any under pressure on your 248 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:34.639 back other than just you know how how you're going 249 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:38.080 to walk. So we just feel that the you know 250 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.120 that you do feel fresher, you do feel different, uh, 251 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:43.679 and in the good you know, in the right way, 252 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.200 so you're not having to have you know, all that, 253 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:48.480 you know, because you're putting enough stress on your back 254 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.919 swinging you don't need it, you know, carrying or pushing 255 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:56.399 anything as well. So it is uh, you know, that's 256 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.559 that's really kind of what we have been trying to provide. 257 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:04.679 I think the overwhelming success of the electric caddies has 258 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:07.960 just come from the global for what's happened globally. I mean, 259 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:11.120 everyone that plays golf walks outside of the United States. 260 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:12.399 It is is there right. 261 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:15.639 Ninety eight percent of the people that play golf outside 262 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:19.519 the United States will be walking in some respects. So 263 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:23.519 the electric caddies or any type of vehicle that's to 264 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:27.279 help you has really taking a is such a you know, 265 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:29.919 is really the culture of that outside of the United 266 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:33.759 States is pretty well baked in everywhere. So it's just 267 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:36.120 taken a little taken a little quite a while for 268 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:38.879 it to happen in the United States. But you know what, 269 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:43.320 since COVID and this influx of new golfers, it is 270 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:48.639 really the demand for it and just people seeing the 271 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.919 benefits of you know, doing something differently because the tech 272 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.799 and innovations there has really become you know, is really 273 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:02.720 taken shape and organically has grown our degree, uh you know, twentyfold. 274 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:09.440 Amazing, Yeah, and you are there. So there are statistics 275 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:11.399 that are showing that more and more people in the 276 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.840 US are walking versus the rest of the world, which 277 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:15.679 has been walking the course all the time. 278 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.559 So our research was you know, and I think it 279 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.159 really is. It's hard to say, because hard to say, 280 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.600 but we've gotten to a point where I've I've seen 281 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:29.399 things around thirty five percent or higher do walk exclusively. 282 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:32.799 And I think a lot of people would you know 283 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:34.759 what I hear when I go around talking to a 284 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.080 lot of people and a lot of these consumer shows 285 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:40.799 and wherever, people would rather walk if they had a 286 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:44.279 better way to do it. So I think I think 287 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:47.080 innovation has got us to a point where people are 288 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.600 starting to think about, hey, I can actually do this 289 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:56.240 without you know, so much pain or you know or fatigue. Uh, 290 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.480 there is a there are better ways now to be 291 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:00.559 able to do it. So, you know, what we've been 292 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:02.320 able to do the last four or five years is 293 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:07.039 create a vehicle for someone to take take a walk 294 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.440 and play golf without you know, any of the ancillary 295 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:13.200 issues that you might have if you were used to 296 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.000 carrying a carrying your bag or pushing in a golf cart. 297 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:20.039 Yeah, well it's kind of we've been teasing this the 298 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:25.039 whole time. So Billie obviously works for a company called 299 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:32.120 MGI that creates electric carts. Yes, and I've again, I've 300 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:36.279 always tried to walk. I've never carried my bag for 301 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:38.639 more than nine holes, and even when I did nine holes, 302 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:41.840 it like wasn't great. And so I've used push carts 303 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.960 for long for the entire time I've played golf. Yeah, 304 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:50.240 and I noticed that, you know, living in northern California, 305 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.360 we have a lot of courses that have a tremendous 306 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.000 amount of undulation. And I don't mean on the greens, 307 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:58.679 I mean the walk itself. We can go through, you know, 308 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:04.240 four hundred feet of elevation chain throughout. I played Chambers 309 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:10.080 Bay recently in Oregon. In Washington, great spot, and it's 310 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:13.919 an over it's what seven point two mile walk with 311 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:18.159 a tremendous amount of elevation change going on as law, 312 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.360 and it's all walking, it's all walk carts, a lot 313 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.639 of walking, but you have a caddy carry in your bag. 314 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:30.039 And so I've had the opportunity to try out. 315 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.279 One of your mg I cards and now I'm like 316 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:38.600 intrigued about even going higher tech with it, and I've 317 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:39.440 really enjoyed it. 318 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:41.279 There is a learning curve. 319 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.320 Sure, yeah, yeah, And I think you know that. I 320 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.360 think that's part of our you know, part of our 321 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:53.480 your motivation to you know, with with innovation to make 322 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:55.759 it as user friendly as possible, right, I mean, I 323 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.639 think that's just like in anything, it's uh, the more 324 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:03.200 you can make it easier to use and make you know, 325 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:05.640 have it, you know, do the most it can do 326 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:09.440 is a big is a big part. It's always the 327 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:12.960 challenge because I think people our age, I think some 328 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:16.400 of us get very intimidated by new technology sometimes with 329 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:18.640 if it's a phone, if it's a computer or whatever. 330 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.279 But I you know what I try to instill when 331 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:25.440 I talk to someone who's going to use it. Well, 332 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:27.920 one of our caddies for a long time is it. 333 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.240 I was like, you need about two to three minutes 334 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:33.559 in your driveway, just get used to it in your 335 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:38.640 driveway with if you're using our remote control caddy, you'll 336 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.400 get it. You'll get it, you know, figured out pretty quickly. 337 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.000 And it's funny when I when I talk to like 338 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:46.559 a twenty one year old about it, they get it. 339 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.680 They get a hang of it within you know, within 340 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:54.200 a few seconds. But it's like in or younger. But 341 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:57.720 for for people our age, we're used to a certain 342 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:01.680 cadence of how things are and you know, hitting this button, 343 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:03.720 hitting that button, what it's supposed to do. I think 344 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.519 we just you know, sometimes have to be you know 345 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:08.559 a little you know, relearn it a little bit. But 346 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:11.640 I but as I said, we've got videos, we've done 347 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.079 all these things too, just to kind of go, hey, 348 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.240 it's not we're not splitting atoms here, it's there's a 349 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:19.480 there is a simple method to it. And then within 350 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:22.240 a couple of minutes, yeah, you've you've got a pretty 351 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:23.519 well handled. 352 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:25.000 I'd call it a couple of rounds. 353 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:25.119 Now. 354 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.079 I'm pretty tech savvy, Yeah, I kind of gravitate towards 355 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.119 new tech all the time, especially on the phones and 356 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:34.720 computers and things like that. 357 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:37.559 So this one has always intrigued me. 358 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.880 But I kept my arms distance because I think many 359 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:44.359 years ago I tried one once and it was just 360 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.640 you know, I didn't have a chance to practice with it. 361 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:49.319 I just took it. 362 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:52.240 Out on a course and it's like, I'm overwhelmed with this. 363 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:56.240 This is a bit much. Sure, so I really appreciate 364 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:59.000 the fact that I've been had the ability to test 365 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.839 one out. You guys let me test one for a month. 366 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.240 And I live next to a golf course, so on 367 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.200 a day it was closed, I got to take it 368 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.039 out and walk around with it, like, oh. 369 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.039 Yeah, I think I can do. This is going to 370 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:14.640 be that tough. 371 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:21.880 And again, it's a little distracting when you first get started. 372 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:23.119 It is a learning curve. 373 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:25.359 You do have to get used to it. But once 374 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:29.480 you get used to it, it's like, why have I 375 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:36.000 not been doing this before? The walk has definitely become easier. 376 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:42.160 And so the first time I went out, the first 377 00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:46.839 round I did, I tipped it over twice. I'm like, okay, well, 378 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.039 you know, if that's how this thing works, then I'm 379 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.680 going to have to figure this out. Second round only 380 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.920 rolled it one time. Okay, I'm getting better at this. 381 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:02.599 Rounds three through six didn't turn it over, right. I 382 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:06.000 started learning how to like, okay, slow it down here, Yeah, 383 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.799 it doesn't really you know, curbs, you got to help 384 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:10.759 it when you go up and down a curb. 385 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:13.880 Yeah, I mean that's kind of the I've tried to 386 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:16.519 and there's a there's a nuance to that as well. 387 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:19.559 I kind of some people, you know, sometimes they take 388 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:21.480 it almost too slow over a bump. But I'm kind 389 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:23.440 of like, you know, when you're on a on a car, 390 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.039 and if you go over railroad tracks, the faster you go, 391 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:27.839 it doesn't it smooth out a little bit more than 392 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:29.640 if you slow down and go over a track. It 393 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:31.920 kind of you absorb a lot more of the bumps 394 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:32.559 that way. 395 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.400 Right, But you're not worried about your car tipping over. 396 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.200 No, you're not worried about your car tip it over. 397 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.319 And you know you don't go over if you go 398 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:42.839 over a bump and you're not at you know, perpendicular 399 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:44.279 to it, you're on an angle. 400 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:45.920 There's a chance this thing's. 401 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.039